I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Falafel!
Falafel!
Falafel!
Heard today on NPR's Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me: Don't leave Bill O'Reilly alone with the hummus!
Heard today on NPR's Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me: Don't leave Bill O'Reilly alone with the hummus!
Heard today on NPR's Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me: Don't leave Bill O'Reilly alone with the hummus!
FUCK FOURNIER. He belongs in the clowning and dissembling hall of fame.
FUCK FOURNIER. He belongs in the clowning and dissembling hall of fame.
FUCK FOURNIER. He belongs in the clowning and dissembling hall of fame.
It was a a competitor for MoveOn, right? But they pulled it off the website after only a day or so, IIRC.
It was a a competitor for MoveOn, right? But they pulled it off the website after only a day or so, IIRC.
It was a a competitor for MoveOn, right? But they pulled it off the website after only a day or so, IIRC.
but, see, it fits his story.
& thats what matters!
but, see, it fits his story.
& thats what matters!
but, see, it fits his story.
& thats what matters!
I did the same, Atrios, hoping for the same non-existent retort.
'Not I' said the fly.
I did the same, Atrios, hoping for the same non-existent retort.
'Not I' said the fly.
I did the same, Atrios, hoping for the same non-existent retort.
'Not I' said the fly.
Boy, we sure hope Atrios or his leftist blogger friends don't link this site! If he did, and using it caught on in the US, it's unintentional function as a verifiable, personalized, and immediate reminder of what an actual draft means for America might cause some to rethink Bush's strategy!!!
Yup. Sure hope this federal webpage of ours stays nice and quiet.
Boy, we sure hope Atrios or his leftist blogger friends don't link this site! If he did, and using it caught on in the US, it's unintentional function as a verifiable, personalized, and immediate reminder of what an actual draft means for America might cause some to rethink Bush's strategy!!!
Yup. Sure hope this federal webpage of ours stays nice and quiet.
Boy, we sure hope Atrios or his leftist blogger friends don't link this site! If he did, and using it caught on in the US, it's unintentional function as a verifiable, personalized, and immediate reminder of what an actual draft means for America might cause some to rethink Bush's strategy!!!
Yup. Sure hope this federal webpage of ours stays nice and quiet.
We should point out that the ad is mistaken. It was George's grandfather that was the nazi fascist traitor to the american people who should have been imprisoned and shunned, preventing the Bush klan from ever darkening our skies.
MYOB'
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We should point out that the ad is mistaken. It was George's grandfather that was the nazi fascist traitor to the american people who should have been imprisoned and shunned, preventing the Bush klan from ever darkening our skies.
MYOB'
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We should point out that the ad is mistaken. It was George's grandfather that was the nazi fascist traitor to the american people who should have been imprisoned and shunned, preventing the Bush klan from ever darkening our skies.
MYOB'
.
Is an ad designed for television that never airs on television still a television ad?
Ouch.
Is an ad designed for television that never airs on television still a television ad?
Ouch.
Is an ad designed for television that never airs on television still a television ad?
Ouch.
The Times's endorsement is important. Not as important as the Grey Lady would like to think: but important none-the-less.
Now, onward to victory. I can feel the winds of change blowing. Let's hope they blow clean the sullied mess that these fools created.
The Times's endorsement is important. Not as important as the Grey Lady would like to think: but important none-the-less.
Now, onward to victory. I can feel the winds of change blowing. Let's hope they blow clean the sullied mess that these fools created.
The Times's endorsement is important. Not as important as the Grey Lady would like to think: but important none-the-less.
Now, onward to victory. I can feel the winds of change blowing. Let's hope they blow clean the sullied mess that these fools created.
Editor and Publisher has the count at 15 endorsements for Kerry and 13 for Bush. They'll have a chart later today, they say.
Editor and Publisher has the count at 15 endorsements for Kerry and 13 for Bush. They'll have a chart later today, they say.
Editor and Publisher has the count at 15 endorsements for Kerry and 13 for Bush. They'll have a chart later today, they say.
Arggh, I looked myself up on the SSS page. Yes, they have me.
I was suprised to learn that "After he registers, a man is required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information he provided on his registration card, like a change of address. He must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26."
I certainly have not done that... 
Arggh, I looked myself up on the SSS page. Yes, they have me.
I was suprised to learn that "After he registers, a man is required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information he provided on his registration card, like a change of address. He must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26."
I certainly have not done that...
Arggh, I looked myself up on the SSS page. Yes, they have me.
I was suprised to learn that "After he registers, a man is required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information he provided on his registration card, like a change of address. He must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26."
I certainly have not done that...
This was on CNN yesterday morning (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/15/
means.season.ap/index.html) as an AP story without Fournier's name attached. I emailed CNN as soon as I saw it and they edited it within a couple hours to be SLIGHTLY less wrong: "A television ad made for (though rejected by) a Democratic interest group compares Bush to Adolf Hitler."
At least now I know put this piece of shit story together.
This was also covered in a diary at Daily Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...10/15/12657/
090
Here's the text of my email to CNN:
This article contains A BLATANT FACTUAL ERROR:
"A television ad by a Democratic interest group compares Bush to Adolph Hitler."
This statement is completely inaccurate. It was NOT a television ad. It was NOT "by" a Democratic interest group. Moveon.org sponsored a homemade ad contest called Bush in 30 Seconds. Thousands of average citizens submitted entries of their own creation making the case against George W. Bush. ONE of those entries compared Bush to Hitler. That comparison was not created or endorsed by Moveon.org. That ad was NOT aired anywhere. That ad was removed from the website as soon as the organizers of the contest were made aware of the content of the ad. Any assertion that ignores these facts is blatantly wrong and perpetuates a manipulative GOP talking point. Please edit or remove this statement immediately.
More generally, articles of this type this close to the election may serve to harden cynicism and suppress voter turnout. Who's interest does that serve? Hard evidence is emerging this week of widespread, officially sanctioned and well-funded efforts by the National Republican Committee to destroy voter registrations and suppress voter turnout.
I would not object to a thoughtful and careful exploration of "mean politics", but this article is neither thoughtful nor careful. It's cutesy, tit-for-tat tone portrays our regrettable political situation as inevitable. Please think carefully about your role in our democracy at this crucial point in our election cycle. Good journalism and an engaged electorate CAN BRING CHANGE to our system. This article is not an example of good journalism
This was on CNN yesterday morning (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/15/
means.season.ap/index.html) as an AP story without Fournier's name attached. I emailed CNN as soon as I saw it and they edited it within a couple hours to be SLIGHTLY less wrong: "A television ad made for (though rejected by) a Democratic interest group compares Bush to Adolf Hitler."
At least now I know put this piece of shit story together.
This was also covered in a diary at Daily Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...10/15/12657/
090
Here's the text of my email to CNN:
This article contains A BLATANT FACTUAL ERROR:
"A television ad by a Democratic interest group compares Bush to Adolph Hitler."
This statement is completely inaccurate. It was NOT a television ad. It was NOT "by" a Democratic interest group. Moveon.org sponsored a homemade ad contest called Bush in 30 Seconds. Thousands of average citizens submitted entries of their own creation making the case against George W. Bush. ONE of those entries compared Bush to Hitler. That comparison was not created or endorsed by Moveon.org. That ad was NOT aired anywhere. That ad was removed from the website as soon as the organizers of the contest were made aware of the content of the ad. Any assertion that ignores these facts is blatantly wrong and perpetuates a manipulative GOP talking point. Please edit or remove this statement immediately.
More generally, articles of this type this close to the election may serve to harden cynicism and suppress voter turnout. Who's interest does that serve? Hard evidence is emerging this week of widespread, officially sanctioned and well-funded efforts by the National Republican Committee to destroy voter registrations and suppress voter turnout.
I would not object to a thoughtful and careful exploration of "mean politics", but this article is neither thoughtful nor careful. It's cutesy, tit-for-tat tone portrays our regrettable political situation as inevitable. Please think carefully about your role in our democracy at this crucial point in our election cycle. Good journalism and an engaged electorate CAN BRING CHANGE to our system. This article is not an example of good journalism
This was on CNN yesterday morning (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/15/
means.season.ap/index.html) as an AP story without Fournier's name attached. I emailed CNN as soon as I saw it and they edited it within a couple hours to be SLIGHTLY less wrong: "A television ad made for (though rejected by) a Democratic interest group compares Bush to Adolf Hitler."
At least now I know put this piece of shit story together.
This was also covered in a diary at Daily Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...10/15/12657/
090
Here's the text of my email to CNN:
This article contains A BLATANT FACTUAL ERROR:
"A television ad by a Democratic interest group compares Bush to Adolph Hitler."
This statement is completely inaccurate. It was NOT a television ad. It was NOT "by" a Democratic interest group. Moveon.org sponsored a homemade ad contest called Bush in 30 Seconds. Thousands of average citizens submitted entries of their own creation making the case against George W. Bush. ONE of those entries compared Bush to Hitler. That comparison was not created or endorsed by Moveon.org. That ad was NOT aired anywhere. That ad was removed from the website as soon as the organizers of the contest were made aware of the content of the ad. Any assertion that ignores these facts is blatantly wrong and perpetuates a manipulative GOP talking point. Please edit or remove this statement immediately.
More generally, articles of this type this close to the election may serve to harden cynicism and suppress voter turnout. Who's interest does that serve? Hard evidence is emerging this week of widespread, officially sanctioned and well-funded efforts by the National Republican Committee to destroy voter registrations and suppress voter turnout.
I would not object to a thoughtful and careful exploration of "mean politics", but this article is neither thoughtful nor careful. It's cutesy, tit-for-tat tone portrays our regrettable political situation as inevitable. Please think carefully about your role in our democracy at this crucial point in our election cycle. Good journalism and an engaged electorate CAN BRING CHANGE to our system. This article is not an example of good journalism
Yeah, it's funny, no Democratic affiliated group ran any ad with Hitler in it. Once they were told an independently-created ad submitted as part of a contest featured Hitler, they pulled it from their competition and issued an apology.
However, the Bush-Cheney campaign produced, wrote, shot and edited together an ad that compared Kerry, Gore, and a whole bunch of democrats to Hitler. And then they ran it prominenntly on their website, at the top of the front page. And they never issued an apology.
Gosh, I guess Ron just missed that back in July. Maybe he wasn't covering the race then. Or gosh, maybe he's just a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were.
Yeah, it's funny, no Democratic affiliated group ran any ad with Hitler in it. Once they were told an independently-created ad submitted as part of a contest featured Hitler, they pulled it from their competition and issued an apology.
However, the Bush-Cheney campaign produced, wrote, shot and edited together an ad that compared Kerry, Gore, and a whole bunch of democrats to Hitler. And then they ran it prominenntly on their website, at the top of the front page. And they never issued an apology.
Gosh, I guess Ron just missed that back in July. Maybe he wasn't covering the race then. Or gosh, maybe he's just a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were.
Yeah, it's funny, no Democratic affiliated group ran any ad with Hitler in it. Once they were told an independently-created ad submitted as part of a contest featured Hitler, they pulled it from their competition and issued an apology.
However, the Bush-Cheney campaign produced, wrote, shot and edited together an ad that compared Kerry, Gore, and a whole bunch of democrats to Hitler. And then they ran it prominenntly on their website, at the top of the front page. And they never issued an apology.
Gosh, I guess Ron just missed that back in July. Maybe he wasn't covering the race then. Or gosh, maybe he's just a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were.
is this the same thing Howard Stern
had up on his web. BUSH=HITLER clip.
i got a charge out of it. Bush looking through field glasses with the
lens covers still on.
is this the same thing Howard Stern
had up on his web. BUSH=HITLER clip.
i got a charge out of it. Bush looking through field glasses with the
lens covers still on.
is this the same thing Howard Stern
had up on his web. BUSH=HITLER clip.
i got a charge out of it. Bush looking through field glasses with the
lens covers still on.
THat hitler peice should have been run for all the attention it has garnered.It wouldnt have made any difference if it had.
THat hitler peice should have been run for all the attention it has garnered.It wouldnt have made any difference if it had.
THat hitler peice should have been run for all the attention it has garnered.It wouldnt have made any difference if it had.
Yeah, it's funny, no Democratic affiliated group ran any ad with Hitler in it. Once they were told an independently-created ad submitted as part of a contest featured Hitler, they pulled it from their competition and issued an apology.
However, the Bush-Cheney campaign produced, wrote, shot and edited together an ad that compared Kerry, Gore, and a whole bunch of democrats to Hitler. And then they ran it prominenntly on their website, at the top of the front page. And they never issued an apology.
Gosh, I guess Ron just missed that back in July. Maybe he wasn't covering the race then. Or gosh, maybe he's just a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were.
Yeah, it's funny, no Democratic affiliated group ran any ad with Hitler in it. Once they were told an independently-created ad submitted as part of a contest featured Hitler, they pulled it from their competition and issued an apology.
However, the Bush-Cheney campaign produced, wrote, shot and edited together an ad that compared Kerry, Gore, and a whole bunch of democrats to Hitler. And then they ran it prominenntly on their website, at the top of the front page. And they never issued an apology.
Gosh, I guess Ron just missed that back in July. Maybe he wasn't covering the race then. Or gosh, maybe he's just a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were.
Yeah, it's funny, no Democratic affiliated group ran any ad with Hitler in it. Once they were told an independently-created ad submitted as part of a contest featured Hitler, they pulled it from their competition and issued an apology.
However, the Bush-Cheney campaign produced, wrote, shot and edited together an ad that compared Kerry, Gore, and a whole bunch of democrats to Hitler. And then they ran it prominenntly on their website, at the top of the front page. And they never issued an apology.
Gosh, I guess Ron just missed that back in July. Maybe he wasn't covering the race then. Or gosh, maybe he's just a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were.
You dang libruls don't like facts.
Some more facts libruls don't like:
Al Gore claimed he invented the internet.
George W. Bush won the 2000 election.
Saddam Hussein attacked the WTC on 9/11.
George W. Bush served honorably in the National Guard.
George Washington chopped down the cherry tree and told his father "I cannot tell a lie."
The tooth fairy will exchange your money for your teeth if you put them under your pillow.
You dang libruls don't like facts.
Some more facts libruls don't like:
Al Gore claimed he invented the internet.
George W. Bush won the 2000 election.
Saddam Hussein attacked the WTC on 9/11.
George W. Bush served honorably in the National Guard.
George Washington chopped down the cherry tree and told his father "I cannot tell a lie."
The tooth fairy will exchange your money for your teeth if you put them under your pillow.
You dang libruls don't like facts.
Some more facts libruls don't like:
Al Gore claimed he invented the internet.
George W. Bush won the 2000 election.
Saddam Hussein attacked the WTC on 9/11.
George W. Bush served honorably in the National Guard.
George Washington chopped down the cherry tree and told his father "I cannot tell a lie."
The tooth fairy will exchange your money for your teeth if you put them under your pillow.
Arggh, I looked myself up on the SSS page. Yes, they have me.
I was suprised to learn that "After he registers, a man is required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information he provided on his registration card, like a change of address. He must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26."
I certainly have not done that...
Arggh, I looked myself up on the SSS page. Yes, they have me.
I was suprised to learn that "After he registers, a man is required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information he provided on his registration card, like a change of address. He must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26."
I certainly have not done that...
Arggh, I looked myself up on the SSS page. Yes, they have me.
I was suprised to learn that "After he registers, a man is required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information he provided on his registration card, like a change of address. He must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26."
I certainly have not done that...
The tooth fairy will exchange your money for your teeth if you put them under your pillow.
Riesz Fischer | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 11:21 pm | #
this isn't true?
Damn, I pulled out my tooth for nothing!
The tooth fairy will exchange your money for your teeth if you put them under your pillow.
Riesz Fischer | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 11:21 pm | #
this isn't true?
Damn, I pulled out my tooth for nothing!
The tooth fairy will exchange your money for your teeth if you put them under your pillow.
Riesz Fischer | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 11:21 pm | #
this isn't true?
Damn, I pulled out my tooth for nothing!
Is an ad designed for television that never airs on television still a television ad?
Well, as long as we're picking nits:
"A television ad by a Democratic interest group"
I know of an ad (designed for TV, but never run) that was entered in a contest by a Democratic interest group that drew a parallel between Hitler and Bush.
Smarter. Please.
Is an ad designed for television that never airs on television still a television ad?
Well, as long as we're picking nits:
"A television ad by a Democratic interest group"
I know of an ad (designed for TV, but never run) that was entered in a contest by a Democratic interest group that drew a parallel between Hitler and Bush.
Smarter. Please.
Is an ad designed for television that never airs on television still a television ad?
Well, as long as we're picking nits:
"A television ad by a Democratic interest group"
I know of an ad (designed for TV, but never run) that was entered in a contest by a Democratic interest group that drew a parallel between Hitler and Bush.
Smarter. Please.
If you google Ron Fournier the first couple entries are for a guy by that name who is a metal fabricator. I wonder if he knows he shares a name with another fabricator?
If you google Ron Fournier the first couple entries are for a guy by that name who is a metal fabricator. I wonder if he knows he shares a name with another fabricator?
If you google Ron Fournier the first couple entries are for a guy by that name who is a metal fabricator. I wonder if he knows he shares a name with another fabricator?
I know several papers that endorsed Bush in 2000 have now endorsed Kerry. Are there any who have switched from Gore to Bush?
I know several papers that endorsed Bush in 2000 have now endorsed Kerry. Are there any who have switched from Gore to Bush?
I know several papers that endorsed Bush in 2000 have now endorsed Kerry. Are there any who have switched from Gore to Bush?
a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were
theorajones,
That was beautifully, eloquently expressed. Thanks.
a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were
theorajones,
That was beautifully, eloquently expressed. Thanks.
a lazy and ignorant journalist who'd rather manufacture false balance than report the facts as they were
theorajones,
That was beautifully, eloquently expressed. Thanks.
But, but, it's illustrative of something.
But, but, it's illustrative of something.
But, but, it's illustrative of something.
Tomorrow's Post says the big dog is recovering more slowly than anticipated, as rumored. See homepage link, here's the lead:
Former president Bill Clinton, whose recuperation from heart surgery last month has been slower than he anticipated, will not make more than a few cameo appearances on behalf of Democratic nominee John F. Kerry, and even an abbreviated schedule is far from certain, friends and Democratic officials said.
***
Get well soon.
Tomorrow's Post says the big dog is recovering more slowly than anticipated, as rumored. See homepage link, here's the lead:
Former president Bill Clinton, whose recuperation from heart surgery last month has been slower than he anticipated, will not make more than a few cameo appearances on behalf of Democratic nominee John F. Kerry, and even an abbreviated schedule is far from certain, friends and Democratic officials said.
***
Get well soon.
Tomorrow's Post says the big dog is recovering more slowly than anticipated, as rumored. See homepage link, here's the lead:
Former president Bill Clinton, whose recuperation from heart surgery last month has been slower than he anticipated, will not make more than a few cameo appearances on behalf of Democratic nominee John F. Kerry, and even an abbreviated schedule is far from certain, friends and Democratic officials said.
***
Get well soon.
Sorry, above is of course *OT*.
Sorry, above is of course *OT*.
Sorry, above is of course *OT*.
There will come a day when the mainstream taboo against comparing Bush to Hitler will not seem so outrageous. History has a way, when one can coldly compare situations and evaluate facts without squeals of outrage from the Peanut Gallery, of tempering the lighting on any given subject.
But, in the meantime, as this shithead holds no revered public office I can think of... is it kosher to compare Karl Rove to Hermann Goering?
There will come a day when the mainstream taboo against comparing Bush to Hitler will not seem so outrageous. History has a way, when one can coldly compare situations and evaluate facts without squeals of outrage from the Peanut Gallery, of tempering the lighting on any given subject.
But, in the meantime, as this shithead holds no revered public office I can think of... is it kosher to compare Karl Rove to Hermann Goering?
There will come a day when the mainstream taboo against comparing Bush to Hitler will not seem so outrageous. History has a way, when one can coldly compare situations and evaluate facts without squeals of outrage from the Peanut Gallery, of tempering the lighting on any given subject.
But, in the meantime, as this shithead holds no revered public office I can think of... is it kosher to compare Karl Rove to Hermann Goering?
Karl Rove created the Hitler ad and submitted it to MoveOn's competition to poison the well, just like the ratfucking operation that dropped the "Special Olympics Dubya" fliers into a Dem election committee garbage can which was subsequently "discovered" by another "independent party".
Prove that I'm wrong, else SHUT UP.
Karl Rove created the Hitler ad and submitted it to MoveOn's competition to poison the well, just like the ratfucking operation that dropped the "Special Olympics Dubya" fliers into a Dem election committee garbage can which was subsequently "discovered" by another "independent party".
Prove that I'm wrong, else SHUT UP.
Karl Rove created the Hitler ad and submitted it to MoveOn's competition to poison the well, just like the ratfucking operation that dropped the "Special Olympics Dubya" fliers into a Dem election committee garbage can which was subsequently "discovered" by another "independent party".
Prove that I'm wrong, else SHUT UP.
Barry,
I'd say Goebbels, myself.
Barry,
I'd say Goebbels, myself.
Barry,
I'd say Goebbels, myself.
Prove that I'm wrong, else SHUT UP.
bushwahd
Who the fuck are you talking to?
Prove that I'm wrong, else SHUT UP.
bushwahd
Who the fuck are you talking to?
Prove that I'm wrong, else SHUT UP.
bushwahd
Who the fuck are you talking to?
is it kosher to compare Karl Rove to Hermann Goering?
You can make those comparisons to me all you like.I agree.This bunch makes Hitler look like a librul.I cant believe that half the nation is so snookered into believing that junior is a "good man",but I guess thats how Hitler came to power too.
Like I said before,that ad should have ran,there would have been the same amount of backlash.Why not let it run,it wouldnt have made any difference to the right nor to the media.
is it kosher to compare Karl Rove to Hermann Goering?
You can make those comparisons to me all you like.I agree.This bunch makes Hitler look like a librul.I cant believe that half the nation is so snookered into believing that junior is a "good man",but I guess thats how Hitler came to power too.
Like I said before,that ad should have ran,there would have been the same amount of backlash.Why not let it run,it wouldnt have made any difference to the right nor to the media.
is it kosher to compare Karl Rove to Hermann Goering?
You can make those comparisons to me all you like.I agree.This bunch makes Hitler look like a librul.I cant believe that half the nation is so snookered into believing that junior is a "good man",but I guess thats how Hitler came to power too.
Like I said before,that ad should have ran,there would have been the same amount of backlash.Why not let it run,it wouldnt have made any difference to the right nor to the media.
Bloggers have a million times more journalistic integrity than the whores have ever dreamed of having. Wouldn't be expecting them to correct anything, after all they are perfect just like the chimperor.
Bloggers have a million times more journalistic integrity than the whores have ever dreamed of having. Wouldn't be expecting them to correct anything, after all they are perfect just like the chimperor.
Bloggers have a million times more journalistic integrity than the whores have ever dreamed of having. Wouldn't be expecting them to correct anything, after all they are perfect just like the chimperor.
NYMary (how's the kid?), I might have said "Goebbels" also. But leave us not forget that our pal Goering, sitting in his jail cell in Nuremberg as he contemplated shuffling off this mortal coil and either submitting his resume to Beezelbub, or coming around again as a pudgy political consultant from Texas, wrote these words to us as a gift for future generations:
"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
You may think this quote has gone around so much by now, it's a cliche. It can NEVER go around too much. Especially now.
NYMary (how's the kid?), I might have said "Goebbels" also. But leave us not forget that our pal Goering, sitting in his jail cell in Nuremberg as he contemplated shuffling off this mortal coil and either submitting his resume to Beezelbub, or coming around again as a pudgy political consultant from Texas, wrote these words to us as a gift for future generations:
"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
You may think this quote has gone around so much by now, it's a cliche. It can NEVER go around too much. Especially now.
NYMary (how's the kid?), I might have said "Goebbels" also. But leave us not forget that our pal Goering, sitting in his jail cell in Nuremberg as he contemplated shuffling off this mortal coil and either submitting his resume to Beezelbub, or coming around again as a pudgy political consultant from Texas, wrote these words to us as a gift for future generations:
"It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."
You may think this quote has gone around so much by now, it's a cliche. It can NEVER go around too much. Especially now.
Barry,
I was thinking of that quote, too, but of course actually doing it was Goebbels' job. I took an interesting course in college, "Germany Under Hitler." Fascinating, taught by an intellectual historian.
The baby's great, thanks. Sawing toothpicks here on the couch between us. She's at the smiling and cooing stage now.
Barry,
I was thinking of that quote, too, but of course actually doing it was Goebbels' job. I took an interesting course in college, "Germany Under Hitler." Fascinating, taught by an intellectual historian.
The baby's great, thanks. Sawing toothpicks here on the couch between us. She's at the smiling and cooing stage now.
Barry,
I was thinking of that quote, too, but of course actually doing it was Goebbels' job. I took an interesting course in college, "Germany Under Hitler." Fascinating, taught by an intellectual historian.
The baby's great, thanks. Sawing toothpicks here on the couch between us. She's at the smiling and cooing stage now.
AWWWWW...!
We want pitchers!!
OT for The Old: WNBC-TV reporting that Pierre Salinger has died of a heart attack in France, where he lived. 79.
AWWWWW...!
We want pitchers!!
OT for The Old: WNBC-TV reporting that Pierre Salinger has died of a heart attack in France, where he lived. 79.
AWWWWW...!
We want pitchers!!
OT for The Old: WNBC-TV reporting that Pierre Salinger has died of a heart attack in France, where he lived. 79.
I've already called AP's comment line once tonight about this Fournier gem:
Kerry, a four-term senator from Massachusetts, voted against the bill to protest Bush's policies on Iraq during the Democratic nomination fight. Kerry was trying to overtake anti-war candidate Howard Dean
(available at: tinyurl.com/5wf4q)
as a Repub talking point w/no basis in fact, and credited the call to the Jon Stewart effect.
AP ph: 212-621-1500
AP contact page: tinyurl.com/3kydd
An operator answered and patched the call thru to a voicemail comment box, which evidently got set up after the Karen Hughes shi*storm over the AP report of the "booing" of the pResident. The receptionist didn't offer it then, anyway.
I've already called AP's comment line once tonight about this Fournier gem:
Kerry, a four-term senator from Massachusetts, voted against the bill to protest Bush's policies on Iraq during the Democratic nomination fight. Kerry was trying to overtake anti-war candidate Howard Dean
(available at: tinyurl.com/5wf4q)
as a Repub talking point w/no basis in fact, and credited the call to the Jon Stewart effect.
AP ph: 212-621-1500
AP contact page: tinyurl.com/3kydd
An operator answered and patched the call thru to a voicemail comment box, which evidently got set up after the Karen Hughes shi*storm over the AP report of the "booing" of the pResident. The receptionist didn't offer it then, anyway.
I've already called AP's comment line once tonight about this Fournier gem:
Kerry, a four-term senator from Massachusetts, voted against the bill to protest Bush's policies on Iraq during the Democratic nomination fight. Kerry was trying to overtake anti-war candidate Howard Dean
(available at: tinyurl.com/5wf4q)
as a Repub talking point w/no basis in fact, and credited the call to the Jon Stewart effect.
AP ph: 212-621-1500
AP contact page: tinyurl.com/3kydd
An operator answered and patched the call thru to a voicemail comment box, which evidently got set up after the Karen Hughes shi*storm over the AP report of the "booing" of the pResident. The receptionist didn't offer it then, anyway.
I don't see a big problem with comparing Bush to Hitler. I'm not "offended". It's very appropriate. The ARE alike.
Americans just don't want to believe they too have allowed a mad man, a wacko zealot and his cronies, to highjack their government. But they have. Admit it. Deal with it.
Germany 1933. America 2000.
I don't see a big problem with comparing Bush to Hitler. I'm not "offended". It's very appropriate. The ARE alike.
Americans just don't want to believe they too have allowed a mad man, a wacko zealot and his cronies, to highjack their government. But they have. Admit it. Deal with it.
Germany 1933. America 2000.
I don't see a big problem with comparing Bush to Hitler. I'm not "offended". It's very appropriate. The ARE alike.
Americans just don't want to believe they too have allowed a mad man, a wacko zealot and his cronies, to highjack their government. But they have. Admit it. Deal with it.
Germany 1933. America 2000.
Maybe not the mainest of stream, but disgruntled conservative Charley Reese is unabashed in his Hitler parallels in his most recent column. Such as:
"What is the difference between Adolf Hitler's invasion of Poland and Bush's invasion of Iraq? There is no difference. Both were unprovoked attacks in violation of international law. Both were blatant attempts to achieve political objectives by force – in Hitler's case, the annexation of Poland; in Bush's case, regime change. Morally, there is not a thread's difference between the bombing of Warsaw and the bombing of Baghdad."
He also compares Bush with OBL. Yow.
Click my "homepage" for the whole article.
Maybe not the mainest of stream, but disgruntled conservative Charley Reese is unabashed in his Hitler parallels in his most recent column. Such as:
"What is the difference between Adolf Hitler's invasion of Poland and Bush's invasion of Iraq? There is no difference. Both were unprovoked attacks in violation of international law. Both were blatant attempts to achieve political objectives by force – in Hitler's case, the annexation of Poland; in Bush's case, regime change. Morally, there is not a thread's difference between the bombing of Warsaw and the bombing of Baghdad."
He also compares Bush with OBL. Yow.
Click my "homepage" for the whole article.
Maybe not the mainest of stream, but disgruntled conservative Charley Reese is unabashed in his Hitler parallels in his most recent column. Such as:
"What is the difference between Adolf Hitler's invasion of Poland and Bush's invasion of Iraq? There is no difference. Both were unprovoked attacks in violation of international law. Both were blatant attempts to achieve political objectives by force – in Hitler's case, the annexation of Poland; in Bush's case, regime change. Morally, there is not a thread's difference between the bombing of Warsaw and the bombing of Baghdad."
He also compares Bush with OBL. Yow.
Click my "homepage" for the whole article.
QUIZ SHOW... watched it tonight for the first time.
nothing has changed has it? the networks are still lying, aren't they?
about everything?
QUIZ SHOW... watched it tonight for the first time.
nothing has changed has it? the networks are still lying, aren't they?
about everything?
QUIZ SHOW... watched it tonight for the first time.
nothing has changed has it? the networks are still lying, aren't they?
about everything?
I'm sorry, I didn't see it in the article, what's Fournier's email?
Thanks so much.
I'm sorry, I didn't see it in the article, what's Fournier's email?
Thanks so much.
I'm sorry, I didn't see it in the article, what's Fournier's email?
Thanks so much.
A bit OT, but about campaign ads generally:
the Bush and Kerry campaigns signed a 32-page agreement with the clause, "Neither film footage nor video footage nor any audio excerpts from the debates may be used publicly by either candidate's campaign through any means, including but not limited to radio, television, internet, or videotapes..."
which explains lack of smack-down ads from the Kerry campaign.
Info quoted from The Living Room Candidate, a great repository for ads back to '52 through today: tinyurl.com/5o6kp
A bit OT, but about campaign ads generally:
the Bush and Kerry campaigns signed a 32-page agreement with the clause, "Neither film footage nor video footage nor any audio excerpts from the debates may be used publicly by either candidate's campaign through any means, including but not limited to radio, television, internet, or videotapes..."
which explains lack of smack-down ads from the Kerry campaign.
Info quoted from The Living Room Candidate, a great repository for ads back to '52 through today: tinyurl.com/5o6kp
A bit OT, but about campaign ads generally:
the Bush and Kerry campaigns signed a 32-page agreement with the clause, "Neither film footage nor video footage nor any audio excerpts from the debates may be used publicly by either candidate's campaign through any means, including but not limited to radio, television, internet, or videotapes..."
which explains lack of smack-down ads from the Kerry campaign.
Info quoted from The Living Room Candidate, a great repository for ads back to '52 through today: tinyurl.com/5o6kp
This is way off topic, but if someone here has read something similar to the following I would like to know the source. I am nearly certain that I have read it before, but when I googled it I came up with nothing. It appeared in a column in a local paper and I believe it is plagiarized from another source. I know the editor and he would not appreciate plagiarism so it would be nice to be able to prove the deception.
It is basically an article about voting "for America". Though it doesn't mention Bush by name, the implication is very clear.
It starts off :
“What do you see when you think of America? Do we envision a small child on his father’s shoulders waving an American flag during a Fourth of July Parade or do we see a parade of protestors fighting for yet another ‘right’ that they claim?”
It goes on like this for several mind-numbing paragraphs, mostly trying to make a link between religion and the founding fathers, and decrying the the fact that God has lost “his rightful place at the head of our nation”.
This is way off topic, but if someone here has read something similar to the following I would like to know the source. I am nearly certain that I have read it before, but when I googled it I came up with nothing. It appeared in a column in a local paper and I believe it is plagiarized from another source. I know the editor and he would not appreciate plagiarism so it would be nice to be able to prove the deception.
It is basically an article about voting "for America". Though it doesn't mention Bush by name, the implication is very clear.
It starts off :
“What do you see when you think of America? Do we envision a small child on his father’s shoulders waving an American flag during a Fourth of July Parade or do we see a parade of protestors fighting for yet another ‘right’ that they claim?”
It goes on like this for several mind-numbing paragraphs, mostly trying to make a link between religion and the founding fathers, and decrying the the fact that God has lost “his rightful place at the head of our nation”.
This is way off topic, but if someone here has read something similar to the following I would like to know the source. I am nearly certain that I have read it before, but when I googled it I came up with nothing. It appeared in a column in a local paper and I believe it is plagiarized from another source. I know the editor and he would not appreciate plagiarism so it would be nice to be able to prove the deception.
It is basically an article about voting "for America". Though it doesn't mention Bush by name, the implication is very clear.
It starts off :
“What do you see when you think of America? Do we envision a small child on his father’s shoulders waving an American flag during a Fourth of July Parade or do we see a parade of protestors fighting for yet another ‘right’ that they claim?”
It goes on like this for several mind-numbing paragraphs, mostly trying to make a link between religion and the founding fathers, and decrying the the fact that God has lost “his rightful place at the head of our nation”.
Is Old Media Becoming Irrelevant?
You know, the closer we get to this election, the more brazen the main stream media has become in its efforts to put their man Kerry into the White House. They have apparently abandoned all efforts to even appear impartial.
Take for instance, this recent episode of an AP reporter flat making up a story about Bush supporters booing when the President expressed his well wishes to former president Clinton. The reporter snidely remarked that “thousands booed“ and “Bush did nothing to stop them.“ Newspapers and other media outlets immediately picked it up and ran with it, using headlines like “Audience Boos As Bush offers Best Wishes For Clinton Recovery.”
Problem was, there were no boos at the Bush rally. The AP story was a complete fabrication. By all accounts, except for the AP reporter's, the crowd joined the president in wishing Clinton a speedy recovery by actually cheering. The AP was ultimately forced to remove the booing section from the story, but that's rather like unringing a bell isn't it?
I don't care how you spin it, the fact remains that the AP flat made shit up to hurt the president's campaign and make Republican supporters look even meaner than they are already portrayed.
Is Old Media Becoming Irrelevant?
You know, the closer we get to this election, the more brazen the main stream media has become in its efforts to put their man Kerry into the White House. They have apparently abandoned all efforts to even appear impartial.
Take for instance, this recent episode of an AP reporter flat making up a story about Bush supporters booing when the President expressed his well wishes to former president Clinton. The reporter snidely remarked that “thousands booed“ and “Bush did nothing to stop them.“ Newspapers and other media outlets immediately picked it up and ran with it, using headlines like “Audience Boos As Bush offers Best Wishes For Clinton Recovery.”
Problem was, there were no boos at the Bush rally. The AP story was a complete fabrication. By all accounts, except for the AP reporter's, the crowd joined the president in wishing Clinton a speedy recovery by actually cheering. The AP was ultimately forced to remove the booing section from the story, but that's rather like unringing a bell isn't it?
I don't care how you spin it, the fact remains that the AP flat made shit up to hurt the president's campaign and make Republican supporters look even meaner than they are already portrayed.
Is Old Media Becoming Irrelevant?
You know, the closer we get to this election, the more brazen the main stream media has become in its efforts to put their man Kerry into the White House. They have apparently abandoned all efforts to even appear impartial.
Take for instance, this recent episode of an AP reporter flat making up a story about Bush supporters booing when the President expressed his well wishes to former president Clinton. The reporter snidely remarked that “thousands booed“ and “Bush did nothing to stop them.“ Newspapers and other media outlets immediately picked it up and ran with it, using headlines like “Audience Boos As Bush offers Best Wishes For Clinton Recovery.”
Problem was, there were no boos at the Bush rally. The AP story was a complete fabrication. By all accounts, except for the AP reporter's, the crowd joined the president in wishing Clinton a speedy recovery by actually cheering. The AP was ultimately forced to remove the booing section from the story, but that's rather like unringing a bell isn't it?
I don't care how you spin it, the fact remains that the AP flat made shit up to hurt the president's campaign and make Republican supporters look even meaner than they are already portrayed.
ACTUALLY, an ad featured on the Bush Cheney campaign web page compared several Democratic leaders including Al Gore and Ted Kennedy to Hitler, utilizing the very ad this reporter is meaning to refer to.
ACTUALLY, an ad featured on the Bush Cheney campaign web page compared several Democratic leaders including Al Gore and Ted Kennedy to Hitler, utilizing the very ad this reporter is meaning to refer to.
ACTUALLY, an ad featured on the Bush Cheney campaign web page compared several Democratic leaders including Al Gore and Ted Kennedy to Hitler, utilizing the very ad this reporter is meaning to refer to.
You know, the closer we get to this election, the more brazen the main stream media has become in its efforts to put their man Kerry into the White House.
The troll equivalent, ladies & gents, of the guy they just showed in the Fenway stands wearing a rally cap with the Sox down 11 in the bottom of the ninth. She's a gamer!
You know, the closer we get to this election, the more brazen the main stream media has become in its efforts to put their man Kerry into the White House.
The troll equivalent, ladies & gents, of the guy they just showed in the Fenway stands wearing a rally cap with the Sox down 11 in the bottom of the ninth. She's a gamer!
You know, the closer we get to this election, the more brazen the main stream media has become in its efforts to put their man Kerry into the White House.
The troll equivalent, ladies & gents, of the guy they just showed in the Fenway stands wearing a rally cap with the Sox down 11 in the bottom of the ninth. She's a gamer!
NYMary (how's the kid?),
OMG! Mary- do you and spouse/*Life partner* have a new baby???
If so, my heart bursts with joy. I shift in here obsessivly at times and absent for long periods.
Best days of my life were the days my children were born! Congrats, I hope!
NYMary (how's the kid?),
OMG! Mary- do you and spouse/*Life partner* have a new baby???
If so, my heart bursts with joy. I shift in here obsessivly at times and absent for long periods.
Best days of my life were the days my children were born! Congrats, I hope!
NYMary (how's the kid?),
OMG! Mary- do you and spouse/*Life partner* have a new baby???
If so, my heart bursts with joy. I shift in here obsessivly at times and absent for long periods.
Best days of my life were the days my children were born! Congrats, I hope!
Dawn of the living trolls:
The BBC did a report from the same rally, and their reporter mentioned numerous people booing at the mention of Clinton.
The NPR affiliate KIOS runs the BBC at night,they played the article and you could definitely hear the booing in the background after Bush's comment.
So I guess it wasn't made up after all.
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Dawn of the living trolls:
The BBC did a report from the same rally, and their reporter mentioned numerous people booing at the mention of Clinton.
The NPR affiliate KIOS runs the BBC at night,they played the article and you could definitely hear the booing in the background after Bush's comment.
So I guess it wasn't made up after all.
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Dawn of the living trolls:
The BBC did a report from the same rally, and their reporter mentioned numerous people booing at the mention of Clinton.
The NPR affiliate KIOS runs the BBC at night,they played the article and you could definitely hear the booing in the background after Bush's comment.
So I guess it wasn't made up after all.
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Re: Hitler:
No such ad was run.
No duh!
More Fark and the farkin' farkers that that freep them.
Re: Hitler:
No such ad was run.
No duh!
More Fark and the farkin' farkers that that freep them.
Re: Hitler:
No such ad was run.
No duh!
More Fark and the farkin' farkers that that freep them.
Oh wait! Maybe you mean the way the press totally fabricated the way people booed at Paul Wellstone's memorial?
'Cause trust me, baby, nobody has to make up stuff to hurt Bush's campaign - he does that all by himself. Well, I'm sure he has help.
Oh wait! Maybe you mean the way the press totally fabricated the way people booed at Paul Wellstone's memorial?
'Cause trust me, baby, nobody has to make up stuff to hurt Bush's campaign - he does that all by himself. Well, I'm sure he has help.
Oh wait! Maybe you mean the way the press totally fabricated the way people booed at Paul Wellstone's memorial?
'Cause trust me, baby, nobody has to make up stuff to hurt Bush's campaign - he does that all by himself. Well, I'm sure he has help.
By Dan Hinkel
Published: Thursday, March 25, 2004
My job as a journalist would be much easier if I could just make up stories and pass them off as true. That would never work, though, because I'm not a very good liar.
Of course, neither was Jack Kelley. On March l9, USA Today published the fruit of a seven-week investigation of former correspondent Kelley's international "reporting."
Like a globetrotting Jayson Blair, Kelley made up quotes, fabricated events and claimed to be in places he wasn't. For a decade, USA Today printed Kelley's stories from distant and exotic countries. Until this year, the paper never publicly questioned how exotic Kelley said those locales were. Kelley's readers, it seems, ate it up.
In his most inspired piece of fiction, Kelley claimed to have been detained by Cuban authorities. He said the Cubans held him at a prison with a "30-foot-high sculpture of an AK-47 at its main gate."
Needless to say, upon review by another USA Today reporter, the statue doesn't exist. But I need to ask Kelley and USA Today-why the hell would it?
I imagine Kelley dreamed up the statue to authenticate his far-fetched story. Why he chose to make the statue a gun rather than, say, Castro, is beyond me.
He must have realized that almost none of his editors or readers had been to Cuba. I imagine he also knew that the only thing most Americans know about Cuba is that it's communist, dangerous, corrupt and communist. Even the humidity is oppressive.
Kelley could have reported seeing Castro eat a litter of golden retriever puppies for breakfast and then wipe his mouth with a picture of Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis, and it wouldn't have raised any eyebrows.
But Red Island Hell Cuba wasn't the only territory ripe for Kelley's inventions.
In a story turned in from Jerusalem in August 2001, Kelley claimed he was standing 90 feet from a pizzeria when a bomb exploded. He said the blast tossed three men from their chairs and decapitated them. USA Today said March 19 that in the story's rough-cut, Kelley said the heads rolled down the street where he observed to continue blinking
By Dan Hinkel
Published: Thursday, March 25, 2004
My job as a journalist would be much easier if I could just make up stories and pass them off as true. That would never work, though, because I'm not a very good liar.
Of course, neither was Jack Kelley. On March l9, USA Today published the fruit of a seven-week investigation of former correspondent Kelley's international "reporting."
Like a globetrotting Jayson Blair, Kelley made up quotes, fabricated events and claimed to be in places he wasn't. For a decade, USA Today printed Kelley's stories from distant and exotic countries. Until this year, the paper never publicly questioned how exotic Kelley said those locales were. Kelley's readers, it seems, ate it up.
In his most inspired piece of fiction, Kelley claimed to have been detained by Cuban authorities. He said the Cubans held him at a prison with a "30-foot-high sculpture of an AK-47 at its main gate."
Needless to say, upon review by another USA Today reporter, the statue doesn't exist. But I need to ask Kelley and USA Today-why the hell would it?
I imagine Kelley dreamed up the statue to authenticate his far-fetched story. Why he chose to make the statue a gun rather than, say, Castro, is beyond me.
He must have realized that almost none of his editors or readers had been to Cuba. I imagine he also knew that the only thing most Americans know about Cuba is that it's communist, dangerous, corrupt and communist. Even the humidity is oppressive.
Kelley could have reported seeing Castro eat a litter of golden retriever puppies for breakfast and then wipe his mouth with a picture of Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis, and it wouldn't have raised any eyebrows.
But Red Island Hell Cuba wasn't the only territory ripe for Kelley's inventions.
In a story turned in from Jerusalem in August 2001, Kelley claimed he was standing 90 feet from a pizzeria when a bomb exploded. He said the blast tossed three men from their chairs and decapitated them. USA Today said March 19 that in the story's rough-cut, Kelley said the heads rolled down the street where he observed to continue blinking
By Dan Hinkel
Published: Thursday, March 25, 2004
My job as a journalist would be much easier if I could just make up stories and pass them off as true. That would never work, though, because I'm not a very good liar.
Of course, neither was Jack Kelley. On March l9, USA Today published the fruit of a seven-week investigation of former correspondent Kelley's international "reporting."
Like a globetrotting Jayson Blair, Kelley made up quotes, fabricated events and claimed to be in places he wasn't. For a decade, USA Today printed Kelley's stories from distant and exotic countries. Until this year, the paper never publicly questioned how exotic Kelley said those locales were. Kelley's readers, it seems, ate it up.
In his most inspired piece of fiction, Kelley claimed to have been detained by Cuban authorities. He said the Cubans held him at a prison with a "30-foot-high sculpture of an AK-47 at its main gate."
Needless to say, upon review by another USA Today reporter, the statue doesn't exist. But I need to ask Kelley and USA Today-why the hell would it?
I imagine Kelley dreamed up the statue to authenticate his far-fetched story. Why he chose to make the statue a gun rather than, say, Castro, is beyond me.
He must have realized that almost none of his editors or readers had been to Cuba. I imagine he also knew that the only thing most Americans know about Cuba is that it's communist, dangerous, corrupt and communist. Even the humidity is oppressive.
Kelley could have reported seeing Castro eat a litter of golden retriever puppies for breakfast and then wipe his mouth with a picture of Jacqueline Kennedy-Onassis, and it wouldn't have raised any eyebrows.
But Red Island Hell Cuba wasn't the only territory ripe for Kelley's inventions.
In a story turned in from Jerusalem in August 2001, Kelley claimed he was standing 90 feet from a pizzeria when a bomb exploded. He said the blast tossed three men from their chairs and decapitated them. USA Today said March 19 that in the story's rough-cut, Kelley said the heads rolled down the street where he observed to continue blinking
It's ok Dawna, most of us think that the type of person who would willingly attend a bush rally (being vetted for loyalty isn't really an insult to a patriotic american, is it?) is already in the red zone of the mean-o-meter.
btw, its hard to square the incident you refer to with the concept of "close to the election." That was many weeks ago, many cycles of overblown, unimportant crap ago.
The "old media"'s biggest contribution to a KE win is reporting the news. for every story that can be interpereted as a bush triumph, there are five that contribute to his place on the ashheap of history; america's reaboam.
It's ok Dawna, most of us think that the type of person who would willingly attend a bush rally (being vetted for loyalty isn't really an insult to a patriotic american, is it?) is already in the red zone of the mean-o-meter.
btw, its hard to square the incident you refer to with the concept of "close to the election." That was many weeks ago, many cycles of overblown, unimportant crap ago.
The "old media"'s biggest contribution to a KE win is reporting the news. for every story that can be interpereted as a bush triumph, there are five that contribute to his place on the ashheap of history; america's reaboam.
It's ok Dawna, most of us think that the type of person who would willingly attend a bush rally (being vetted for loyalty isn't really an insult to a patriotic american, is it?) is already in the red zone of the mean-o-meter.
btw, its hard to square the incident you refer to with the concept of "close to the election." That was many weeks ago, many cycles of overblown, unimportant crap ago.
The "old media"'s biggest contribution to a KE win is reporting the news. for every story that can be interpereted as a bush triumph, there are five that contribute to his place on the ashheap of history; america's reaboam.
I was in the middle of composing a letter to the Sacramento Bee's ombudsman, since the Fournier article ran in yesterday's Bee, when I realized that Fourier is somewhat correct. The ad did run on television, but as part of a Republican ad that was supposed to show how mean the Democrats were.
Assuming I remember correctly, that is.
I was in the middle of composing a letter to the Sacramento Bee's ombudsman, since the Fournier article ran in yesterday's Bee, when I realized that Fourier is somewhat correct. The ad did run on television, but as part of a Republican ad that was supposed to show how mean the Democrats were.
Assuming I remember correctly, that is.
I was in the middle of composing a letter to the Sacramento Bee's ombudsman, since the Fournier article ran in yesterday's Bee, when I realized that Fourier is somewhat correct. The ad did run on television, but as part of a Republican ad that was supposed to show how mean the Democrats were.
Assuming I remember correctly, that is.
Atrios,
You missed this even-worse mistake:
"Democrats denounce Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard."
I believe the correction should read "lack of service."
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
Atrios,
You missed this even-worse mistake:
"Democrats denounce Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard."
I believe the correction should read "lack of service."
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
Atrios,
You missed this even-worse mistake:
"Democrats denounce Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard."
I believe the correction should read "lack of service."
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
To compare Bush to Hitler is a slur on Hitler.
To compare Bush to Hitler is a slur on Hitler.
To compare Bush to Hitler is a slur on Hitler.
Good point, Jim, but I think that Republican Ad was Internets (is how you say now right) only...but I could be wrong.
Good point, Jim, but I think that Republican Ad was Internets (is how you say now right) only...but I could be wrong.
Good point, Jim, but I think that Republican Ad was Internets (is how you say now right) only...but I could be wrong.
As I remember it, MoveOn.org sponsored a contest to develop ads for Howard Dean and posted entries on their website. One of the entries apparently was one depicting Hitler. As soon as MoveOn realized the content was inappropriate the ad was removed, but not before it became a source for criticism of Dean's campaign and, by extension, of Democrats in general.
Fournier's basic premise is credible, but his examples and quotes just show how inaccurate, unimaginative, pandering, and lazy "professional" reporters can be. And this from a guy that supposedly has been a political reporter for AP for the past eleven years? I don't believe it. If it's true, he must have been carrying water for the first ten.
This subject actually deserves a regular column, the issue is that important. But to do a fluff piece to say the obvious is just a big waste.
As I remember it, MoveOn.org sponsored a contest to develop ads for Howard Dean and posted entries on their website. One of the entries apparently was one depicting Hitler. As soon as MoveOn realized the content was inappropriate the ad was removed, but not before it became a source for criticism of Dean's campaign and, by extension, of Democrats in general.
Fournier's basic premise is credible, but his examples and quotes just show how inaccurate, unimaginative, pandering, and lazy "professional" reporters can be. And this from a guy that supposedly has been a political reporter for AP for the past eleven years? I don't believe it. If it's true, he must have been carrying water for the first ten.
This subject actually deserves a regular column, the issue is that important. But to do a fluff piece to say the obvious is just a big waste.
As I remember it, MoveOn.org sponsored a contest to develop ads for Howard Dean and posted entries on their website. One of the entries apparently was one depicting Hitler. As soon as MoveOn realized the content was inappropriate the ad was removed, but not before it became a source for criticism of Dean's campaign and, by extension, of Democrats in general.
Fournier's basic premise is credible, but his examples and quotes just show how inaccurate, unimaginative, pandering, and lazy "professional" reporters can be. And this from a guy that supposedly has been a political reporter for AP for the past eleven years? I don't believe it. If it's true, he must have been carrying water for the first ten.
This subject actually deserves a regular column, the issue is that important. But to do a fluff piece to say the obvious is just a big waste.
To compare Bush to X is a slur on X.
2X4, that joke is funny when one does it with "a piece of crap", "a douche bag", or "a retarded monkey", but it really doesn't make sense when you do it with Hitler.
IMHO
To compare Bush to X is a slur on X.
2X4, that joke is funny when one does it with "a piece of crap", "a douche bag", or "a retarded monkey", but it really doesn't make sense when you do it with Hitler.
IMHO
To compare Bush to X is a slur on X.
2X4, that joke is funny when one does it with "a piece of crap", "a douche bag", or "a retarded monkey", but it really doesn't make sense when you do it with Hitler.
IMHO
Calling someone a fascist or comparing him to Hitler is usually just empty name-calling. But in the case of Bush there's arguably a legitimate parallel to be drawn between the Nazis' use of the Reichstag fire and this administration's use of 9/11 to solidify support and stifle dissent (which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire). This administration has also arguably employed the "Big Lie" in a manner consistent with Goebbels' philosophy.
But of course they're not subverting democratic institutions, or cynically creating a climate of fear in an effort to undermine the Constitution, or rounding up people and putting them in camps without charging them with any crimes, or anything like that!
Calling someone a fascist or comparing him to Hitler is usually just empty name-calling. But in the case of Bush there's arguably a legitimate parallel to be drawn between the Nazis' use of the Reichstag fire and this administration's use of 9/11 to solidify support and stifle dissent (which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire). This administration has also arguably employed the "Big Lie" in a manner consistent with Goebbels' philosophy.
But of course they're not subverting democratic institutions, or cynically creating a climate of fear in an effort to undermine the Constitution, or rounding up people and putting them in camps without charging them with any crimes, or anything like that!
Calling someone a fascist or comparing him to Hitler is usually just empty name-calling. But in the case of Bush there's arguably a legitimate parallel to be drawn between the Nazis' use of the Reichstag fire and this administration's use of 9/11 to solidify support and stifle dissent (which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire). This administration has also arguably employed the "Big Lie" in a manner consistent with Goebbels' philosophy.
But of course they're not subverting democratic institutions, or cynically creating a climate of fear in an effort to undermine the Constitution, or rounding up people and putting them in camps without charging them with any crimes, or anything like that!
Charlie Reese has finally gotten a clue? I went after old Charlie back in 2000 after reading editorials by him such as 'Bush, the Environment President'. Charlie was having a BushOrgy early on.
Apparently unknown to some of the papers who sponsored his editorials - (at least until I sent them pictures)-Charlie Reese gave speeches to the LOS- League of the South- a KKK group whose members still dress in Col. Sanders outfits and fly the Dixie behind the podium while professing longing for the 'good old days' when everyone 'owned a few darkies'.
Such a sentimental group.
Charlie was keeping good company though. Roger Ailes and Karen Hughes were on the LOS guest speakers list for a major hog roast and book burning party right after the Florida Coup. So I wonder what happened to turn Charlies head? Did he see God or what?
Charlie Reese has finally gotten a clue? I went after old Charlie back in 2000 after reading editorials by him such as 'Bush, the Environment President'. Charlie was having a BushOrgy early on.
Apparently unknown to some of the papers who sponsored his editorials - (at least until I sent them pictures)-Charlie Reese gave speeches to the LOS- League of the South- a KKK group whose members still dress in Col. Sanders outfits and fly the Dixie behind the podium while professing longing for the 'good old days' when everyone 'owned a few darkies'.
Such a sentimental group.
Charlie was keeping good company though. Roger Ailes and Karen Hughes were on the LOS guest speakers list for a major hog roast and book burning party right after the Florida Coup. So I wonder what happened to turn Charlies head? Did he see God or what?
Charlie Reese has finally gotten a clue? I went after old Charlie back in 2000 after reading editorials by him such as 'Bush, the Environment President'. Charlie was having a BushOrgy early on.
Apparently unknown to some of the papers who sponsored his editorials - (at least until I sent them pictures)-Charlie Reese gave speeches to the LOS- League of the South- a KKK group whose members still dress in Col. Sanders outfits and fly the Dixie behind the podium while professing longing for the 'good old days' when everyone 'owned a few darkies'.
Such a sentimental group.
Charlie was keeping good company though. Roger Ailes and Karen Hughes were on the LOS guest speakers list for a major hog roast and book burning party right after the Florida Coup. So I wonder what happened to turn Charlies head? Did he see God or what?
I just don't see the resemblance. Bush is not at all like Hitler. He's Napoleon.
I just don't see the resemblance. Bush is not at all like Hitler. He's Napoleon.
I just don't see the resemblance. Bush is not at all like Hitler. He's Napoleon.
all negtive ads suck, but bush's suck more.
all negtive ads suck, but bush's suck more.
all negtive ads suck, but bush's suck more.
I know several papers that endorsed Bush in 2000 have now endorsed Kerry. Are there any who have switched from Gore to Bush?
Ann A. Gram
No.
Some who didn't endores anybody in 2000 have endorsed Bush, but none (so far) have gone from Gore to Bush.
I know several papers that endorsed Bush in 2000 have now endorsed Kerry. Are there any who have switched from Gore to Bush?
Ann A. Gram
No.
Some who didn't endores anybody in 2000 have endorsed Bush, but none (so far) have gone from Gore to Bush.
I know several papers that endorsed Bush in 2000 have now endorsed Kerry. Are there any who have switched from Gore to Bush?
Ann A. Gram
No.
Some who didn't endores anybody in 2000 have endorsed Bush, but none (so far) have gone from Gore to Bush.
"Calling someone a fascist or comparing him to Hitler is usually just empty name-calling. But in the case of Bush there's arguably a legitimate parallel to be drawn between the Nazis' use of the Reichstag fire and this administration's use of 9/11 to solidify support and stifle dissent (which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire). This administration has also arguably employed the "Big Lie" in a manner consistent with Goebbels' philosophy.
But of course they're not subverting democratic institutions, or cynically creating a climate of fear in an effort to undermine the Constitution, or rounding up people and putting them in camps without charging them with any crimes, or anything like that!
Peter Gaffney"
I hope Peter Gaffney won't mind but i'd like to use his quote in my blog (readership 0) as an example of how Dems might just lose this election.
As i watched a West Wing rerun, there was a old liberal judge who scolded Martin Sheen for not being bolder, ("ppl of the US like boldness")
Dems should have bought into the "conspiracy theory," cause there is indeed tons of circumstantial evidence that bu$h's cabal had something to do with it...means, motive, and what's that last one???
(that Peterson fella is getting trounced with much less)
(which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire)....umm, Why? Remind me again, WHY?
or maybe Peter was being sarcastic but i doubt it.
(they don't blink at torture, bombing civilians, stealing land, lying about pre-war intelligence, etc.)
is/was there slam dunk proof that Hitler did the Reichstag fire? if there is i'd like to know what it is.
"Calling someone a fascist or comparing him to Hitler is usually just empty name-calling. But in the case of Bush there's arguably a legitimate parallel to be drawn between the Nazis' use of the Reichstag fire and this administration's use of 9/11 to solidify support and stifle dissent (which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire). This administration has also arguably employed the "Big Lie" in a manner consistent with Goebbels' philosophy.
But of course they're not subverting democratic institutions, or cynically creating a climate of fear in an effort to undermine the Constitution, or rounding up people and putting them in camps without charging them with any crimes, or anything like that!
Peter Gaffney"
I hope Peter Gaffney won't mind but i'd like to use his quote in my blog (readership 0) as an example of how Dems might just lose this election.
As i watched a West Wing rerun, there was a old liberal judge who scolded Martin Sheen for not being bolder, ("ppl of the US like boldness")
Dems should have bought into the "conspiracy theory," cause there is indeed tons of circumstantial evidence that bu$h's cabal had something to do with it...means, motive, and what's that last one???
(that Peterson fella is getting trounced with much less)
(which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire)....umm, Why? Remind me again, WHY?
or maybe Peter was being sarcastic but i doubt it.
(they don't blink at torture, bombing civilians, stealing land, lying about pre-war intelligence, etc.)
is/was there slam dunk proof that Hitler did the Reichstag fire? if there is i'd like to know what it is.
"Calling someone a fascist or comparing him to Hitler is usually just empty name-calling. But in the case of Bush there's arguably a legitimate parallel to be drawn between the Nazis' use of the Reichstag fire and this administration's use of 9/11 to solidify support and stifle dissent (which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire). This administration has also arguably employed the "Big Lie" in a manner consistent with Goebbels' philosophy.
But of course they're not subverting democratic institutions, or cynically creating a climate of fear in an effort to undermine the Constitution, or rounding up people and putting them in camps without charging them with any crimes, or anything like that!
Peter Gaffney"
I hope Peter Gaffney won't mind but i'd like to use his quote in my blog (readership 0) as an example of how Dems might just lose this election.
As i watched a West Wing rerun, there was a old liberal judge who scolded Martin Sheen for not being bolder, ("ppl of the US like boldness")
Dems should have bought into the "conspiracy theory," cause there is indeed tons of circumstantial evidence that bu$h's cabal had something to do with it...means, motive, and what's that last one???
(that Peterson fella is getting trounced with much less)
(which is not to suggest Bush was deliberately reponsible for 9/11 in the same way the Nazis set the Reichstag fire)....umm, Why? Remind me again, WHY?
or maybe Peter was being sarcastic but i doubt it.
(they don't blink at torture, bombing civilians, stealing land, lying about pre-war intelligence, etc.)
is/was there slam dunk proof that Hitler did the Reichstag fire? if there is i'd like to know what it is.
(((As I remember it, MoveOn.org sponsored a contest to develop ads for Howard Dean and posted entries on their website. One of the entries apparently was one depicting Hitler. As soon as MoveOn realized the content was inappropriate the ad was removed, but not before it became a source for criticism of Dean's campaign and, by extension, of Democrats in general.)))
I don't believe the contest had anything to do with Howard Dean. It was strictly a contest for anti-Bush ads. Moveon didn't endorse Dean, though he won a poll of moveon members (but not by more than 50%, which moveon required to endorse).
Whatever anyone suspects about moveon's motives, even if one thinks they only yanked the ads because they got flak about it or if one thinks moveon attracted people with such sentiments and secretly agreed with them (playing devil's advocate here), it's still INCORRECT for Fournier to say the ad was "by" Moveon. That implies Moveon produced it and officially blessed it, if not indeed possibly leaving the impression that Moveon actually aired it, just as one would assume an AP story "by" Ron Fournier was produced and blessed by him.
(((As I remember it, MoveOn.org sponsored a contest to develop ads for Howard Dean and posted entries on their website. One of the entries apparently was one depicting Hitler. As soon as MoveOn realized the content was inappropriate the ad was removed, but not before it became a source for criticism of Dean's campaign and, by extension, of Democrats in general.)))
I don't believe the contest had anything to do with Howard Dean. It was strictly a contest for anti-Bush ads. Moveon didn't endorse Dean, though he won a poll of moveon members (but not by more than 50%, which moveon required to endorse).
Whatever anyone suspects about moveon's motives, even if one thinks they only yanked the ads because they got flak about it or if one thinks moveon attracted people with such sentiments and secretly agreed with them (playing devil's advocate here), it's still INCORRECT for Fournier to say the ad was "by" Moveon. That implies Moveon produced it and officially blessed it, if not indeed possibly leaving the impression that Moveon actually aired it, just as one would assume an AP story "by" Ron Fournier was produced and blessed by him.
(((As I remember it, MoveOn.org sponsored a contest to develop ads for Howard Dean and posted entries on their website. One of the entries apparently was one depicting Hitler. As soon as MoveOn realized the content was inappropriate the ad was removed, but not before it became a source for criticism of Dean's campaign and, by extension, of Democrats in general.)))
I don't believe the contest had anything to do with Howard Dean. It was strictly a contest for anti-Bush ads. Moveon didn't endorse Dean, though he won a poll of moveon members (but not by more than 50%, which moveon required to endorse).
Whatever anyone suspects about moveon's motives, even if one thinks they only yanked the ads because they got flak about it or if one thinks moveon attracted people with such sentiments and secretly agreed with them (playing devil's advocate here), it's still INCORRECT for Fournier to say the ad was "by" Moveon. That implies Moveon produced it and officially blessed it, if not indeed possibly leaving the impression that Moveon actually aired it, just as one would assume an AP story "by" Ron Fournier was produced and blessed by him.
Enough with the Hitler references.
Any middle-of-the-road thinker will completely reject such thinking and if they perceive it's coming from the left, it will only help Bush on Nov. 2.
Enough with the Hitler references.
Any middle-of-the-road thinker will completely reject such thinking and if they perceive it's coming from the left, it will only help Bush on Nov. 2.
Enough with the Hitler references.
Any middle-of-the-road thinker will completely reject such thinking and if they perceive it's coming from the left, it will only help Bush on Nov. 2.
Here's a Bush comparison which may work for you, taken from Ron Suskind's article in today's NYT Magazine:
''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . . This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,''The speaker Suskind is quoting is former Reagan policy adviser and Bush 41 treasury official Bruce Bartlett. A rabid America hater, for sure.
The Fournier article is not only inaccurate, but stupid... people complain about the coarseness and anger in our politics? You mean, in contrast to the rest of our cuddly, warm and fuzzy, crunchy granola culture? I think not.
Anger and vulgarity is mom's apple pie in America of the 21st century...
Here's a Bush comparison which may work for you, taken from Ron Suskind's article in today's NYT Magazine:
''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . . This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,''The speaker Suskind is quoting is former Reagan policy adviser and Bush 41 treasury official Bruce Bartlett. A rabid America hater, for sure.
The Fournier article is not only inaccurate, but stupid... people complain about the coarseness and anger in our politics? You mean, in contrast to the rest of our cuddly, warm and fuzzy, crunchy granola culture? I think not.
Anger and vulgarity is mom's apple pie in America of the 21st century...
Here's a Bush comparison which may work for you, taken from Ron Suskind's article in today's NYT Magazine:
''This is why George W. Bush is so clear-eyed about Al Qaeda and the Islamic fundamentalist enemy. He believes you have to kill them all. They can't be persuaded, that they're extremists, driven by a dark vision. He understands them, because he's just like them. . . . This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts,''The speaker Suskind is quoting is former Reagan policy adviser and Bush 41 treasury official Bruce Bartlett. A rabid America hater, for sure.
The Fournier article is not only inaccurate, but stupid... people complain about the coarseness and anger in our politics? You mean, in contrast to the rest of our cuddly, warm and fuzzy, crunchy granola culture? I think not.
Anger and vulgarity is mom's apple pie in America of the 21st century...
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Contact the the Pasadena paper
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Pasadena, CA 91109
(626) 578-6300.
Talmage Campbell, Executive Editor
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Larry Wilson, Editor
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Steve Scauzillo, Opinions Editor
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Contact the the Pasadena paper
Pasadena Star News
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Pasadena, CA 91109
(626) 578-6300.
Talmage Campbell, Executive Editor
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We should remember that both Hitler and Napolean were successful in many of their campaigns. I haven't seen that with aWol. But to compare W with the father of the Holocaust is way off base. 6 million Jews and who knows how many communists. That is Hitler.
That being said, it is undeniable that this cabal employs propoganda/population control techniques similar to those used by the 3rd Riech. Someone said upthread that time will allow History to plainly state these paral
We should remember that both Hitler and Napolean were successful in many of their campaigns. I haven't seen that with aWol. But to compare W with the father of the Holocaust is way off base. 6 million Jews and who knows how many communists. That is Hitler.
That being said, it is undeniable that this cabal employs propoganda/population control techniques similar to those used by the 3rd Riech. Someone said upthread that time will allow History to plainly state these paral
We should remember that both Hitler and Napolean were successful in many of their campaigns. I haven't seen that with aWol. But to compare W with the father of the Holocaust is way off base. 6 million Jews and who knows how many communists. That is Hitler.
That being said, it is undeniable that this cabal employs propoganda/population control techniques similar to those used by the 3rd Riech. Someone said upthread that time will allow History to plainly state these paral
I, too, in an act of hopeless optimism, contacted Fournier back in May in hope of enlighteneing him. Here's the exchange:
First e-mail:
Mr. Fournier,
I just read a piece you wrote about John Kerry (Dems Fear Kerry Looks Like Gore) You perpetuate the myth that the Bush campaign portrayed Al Gore as a liar and opportunist.The guilty party is actually the national press. And now you're doing it to Kerry. I'd appreciate a column that researches these claims of Kerry's alleged "flip-flops" and a comparison to the same behavior by the president. You know, nation building good/bad, deficits bad/good, Homeland Security Dept. bad/good, 9/11 Commission bad/good, etc. I know, it sounds like work, but it's your job.
Response:
Did that column. Also pointed out in this one that bush has a history of distortortion, starting with gore. That must be why bush backers are mad at column, too.
Thanks for the input
Ron
Second e-mail:
Is this what you refer to as pointing out that Bush has a history of distortion?
"Early in the 2000 campaign, Republicans accused the former vice president of taking credit for inventing the Internet, a claim Gore never quite made."
How does one citation constitute a history?
And my main point remains that the press, not the Bush campaign, harped on these stories about the Internet, Love Story, Love Canal, earth tones, trouble with the truth, etc.
Response:
Point taken. Thanks
I retort, you deride!
I, too, in an act of hopeless optimism, contacted Fournier back in May in hope of enlighteneing him. Here's the exchange:
First e-mail:
Mr. Fournier,
I just read a piece you wrote about John Kerry (Dems Fear Kerry Looks Like Gore) You perpetuate the myth that the Bush campaign portrayed Al Gore as a liar and opportunist.The guilty party is actually the national press. And now you're doing it to Kerry. I'd appreciate a column that researches these claims of Kerry's alleged "flip-flops" and a comparison to the same behavior by the president. You know, nation building good/bad, deficits bad/good, Homeland Security Dept. bad/good, 9/11 Commission bad/good, etc. I know, it sounds like work, but it's your job.
Response:
Did that column. Also pointed out in this one that bush has a history of distortortion, starting with gore. That must be why bush backers are mad at column, too.
Thanks for the input
Ron
Second e-mail:
Is this what you refer to as pointing out that Bush has a history of distortion?
"Early in the 2000 campaign, Republicans accused the former vice president of taking credit for inventing the Internet, a claim Gore never quite made."
How does one citation constitute a history?
And my main point remains that the press, not the Bush campaign, harped on these stories about the Internet, Love Story, Love Canal, earth tones, trouble with the truth, etc.
Response:
Point taken. Thanks
I retort, you deride!
I, too, in an act of hopeless optimism, contacted Fournier back in May in hope of enlighteneing him. Here's the exchange:
First e-mail:
Mr. Fournier,
I just read a piece you wrote about John Kerry (Dems Fear Kerry Looks Like Gore) You perpetuate the myth that the Bush campaign portrayed Al Gore as a liar and opportunist.The guilty party is actually the national press. And now you're doing it to Kerry. I'd appreciate a column that researches these claims of Kerry's alleged "flip-flops" and a comparison to the same behavior by the president. You know, nation building good/bad, deficits bad/good, Homeland Security Dept. bad/good, 9/11 Commission bad/good, etc. I know, it sounds like work, but it's your job.
Response:
Did that column. Also pointed out in this one that bush has a history of distortortion, starting with gore. That must be why bush backers are mad at column, too.
Thanks for the input
Ron
Second e-mail:
Is this what you refer to as pointing out that Bush has a history of distortion?
"Early in the 2000 campaign, Republicans accused the former vice president of taking credit for inventing the Internet, a claim Gore never quite made."
How does one citation constitute a history?
And my main point remains that the press, not the Bush campaign, harped on these stories about the Internet, Love Story, Love Canal, earth tones, trouble with the truth, etc.
Response:
Point taken. Thanks
I retort, you deride!
Waynorth said: "I don't see a big problem with comparing Bush to Hitler. I'm not "offended". It's very appropriate. The ARE alike. "
Now, now. Comparing those two is silly.
Hitler was both a decorated war hero and author of a best selling book, while W. is and will never be either.
Waynorth said: "I don't see a big problem with comparing Bush to Hitler. I'm not "offended". It's very appropriate. The ARE alike. "
Now, now. Comparing those two is silly.
Hitler was both a decorated war hero and author of a best selling book, while W. is and will never be either.
Waynorth said: "I don't see a big problem with comparing Bush to Hitler. I'm not "offended". It's very appropriate. The ARE alike. "
Now, now. Comparing those two is silly.
Hitler was both a decorated war hero and author of a best selling book, while W. is and will never be either.
frankly, after reading the Suskind article in the NYTimes, I think the Bushies ARE akin to Nazis. Certainly, they have the potential to go down that route given enough power.
frankly, after reading the Suskind article in the NYTimes, I think the Bushies ARE akin to Nazis. Certainly, they have the potential to go down that route given enough power.
frankly, after reading the Suskind article in the NYTimes, I think the Bushies ARE akin to Nazis. Certainly, they have the potential to go down that route given enough power.
Why doesn't anyone remember the actual similarities between Bush
and Hitler?
Dismemberment of a Social Security
system that went back to Bismarck;
Support and sponsorship by a few
extremely wealthy families who thought they owned the country;
Constant lying;
Ruthless treatment of opponents;
Complete disregard for any rules;
Total faith in their self-righteousness;
Manipulation of, and disregard for the principles of, the Catholic Church;
Aggressiveness for the sake of aggression;
Led by someone who never succeeded at anything, least of all at organized thought or government.
Why doesn't anyone remember the actual similarities between Bush
and Hitler?
Dismemberment of a Social Security
system that went back to Bismarck;
Support and sponsorship by a few
extremely wealthy families who thought they owned the country;
Constant lying;
Ruthless treatment of opponents;
Complete disregard for any rules;
Total faith in their self-righteousness;
Manipulation of, and disregard for the principles of, the Catholic Church;
Aggressiveness for the sake of aggression;
Led by someone who never succeeded at anything, least of all at organized thought or government.
Why doesn't anyone remember the actual similarities between Bush
and Hitler?
Dismemberment of a Social Security
system that went back to Bismarck;
Support and sponsorship by a few
extremely wealthy families who thought they owned the country;
Constant lying;
Ruthless treatment of opponents;
Complete disregard for any rules;
Total faith in their self-righteousness;
Manipulation of, and disregard for the principles of, the Catholic Church;
Aggressiveness for the sake of aggression;
Led by someone who never succeeded at anything, least of all at organized thought or government.
I agree with LimaBN. There's a lot of kinship between the Nazi Party as led by Hitler and what we face today from the wingers. Orcinus has this one covered. Remember how many times we've given Bush the benefit of the doubt, and said "They would never do that?'' -- and every time, they have and worse.
The analytical perspective is not the way a politician would express it, and it does get shouted down. That doesn't make it wrong, just tactically unwise. One reason we have people running for office is so they can compress the analysis into something easily communicated and persuasive.
So far, the soundbyte into which all this analysis is compressed does come from Kerry: "You can be certain, and wrong."
The Nazis, remember, were very very certain.
I agree with LimaBN. There's a lot of kinship between the Nazi Party as led by Hitler and what we face today from the wingers. Orcinus has this one covered. Remember how many times we've given Bush the benefit of the doubt, and said "They would never do that?'' -- and every time, they have and worse.
The analytical perspective is not the way a politician would express it, and it does get shouted down. That doesn't make it wrong, just tactically unwise. One reason we have people running for office is so they can compress the analysis into something easily communicated and persuasive.
So far, the soundbyte into which all this analysis is compressed does come from Kerry: "You can be certain, and wrong."
The Nazis, remember, were very very certain.
I agree with LimaBN. There's a lot of kinship between the Nazi Party as led by Hitler and what we face today from the wingers. Orcinus has this one covered. Remember how many times we've given Bush the benefit of the doubt, and said "They would never do that?'' -- and every time, they have and worse.
The analytical perspective is not the way a politician would express it, and it does get shouted down. That doesn't make it wrong, just tactically unwise. One reason we have people running for office is so they can compress the analysis into something easily communicated and persuasive.
So far, the soundbyte into which all this analysis is compressed does come from Kerry: "You can be certain, and wrong."
The Nazis, remember, were very very certain.
Fournier is a contemptable, lying dog! Guess he's correct about extreme discourse.
Fournier is a contemptable, lying dog! Guess he's correct about extreme discourse.
Fournier is a contemptable, lying dog! Guess he's correct about extreme discourse.
The Hitler thing was an individual's submission to MoveOn and not their work. And they never ran with it. But the comment about Kerry and Mary Cheney was also false and IMHO - more pathetic.
The Hitler thing was an individual's submission to MoveOn and not their work. And they never ran with it. But the comment about Kerry and Mary Cheney was also false and IMHO - more pathetic.
The Hitler thing was an individual's submission to MoveOn and not their work. And they never ran with it. But the comment about Kerry and Mary Cheney was also false and IMHO - more pathetic.
The Hitler thing was an individual's submission to MoveOn and not their work. And they never ran with it. But the comment about Kerry and Mary Cheney was also false and IMHO - more pathetic.
The Hitler thing was an individual's submission to MoveOn and not their work. And they never ran with it. But the comment about Kerry and Mary Cheney was also false and IMHO - more pathetic.
The Hitler thing was an individual's submission to MoveOn and not their work. And they never ran with it. But the comment about Kerry and Mary Cheney was also false and IMHO - more pathetic.
So why doesn't one of our groups go ahead and run an ad that compares Buish to Hitler? We're constantly balamed for it, it's going to get used in the last two weeks against us and one of the comments I hear from moderate repus is that they fear for their civil liberties and that they're uncomfortable with unprovoked war. Hey, if the current GOP is so determined to head off the comparison to Nazis, I say it's because they're AFRAID of being compared to Nazis. Go for it. Copy: "Would you have been a good German and stayed silent when the Nazis built of up the army, persecuted minorities, and handed over power to large corporations? Or would you at have voted for the opposition if you had the chance? Why not take the chance you have now and--Say no to abuses of power. November 2nd, vote for a Democrat. Life as you know it may depend on it."
So why doesn't one of our groups go ahead and run an ad that compares Buish to Hitler? We're constantly balamed for it, it's going to get used in the last two weeks against us and one of the comments I hear from moderate repus is that they fear for their civil liberties and that they're uncomfortable with unprovoked war. Hey, if the current GOP is so determined to head off the comparison to Nazis, I say it's because they're AFRAID of being compared to Nazis. Go for it. Copy: "Would you have been a good German and stayed silent when the Nazis built of up the army, persecuted minorities, and handed over power to large corporations? Or would you at have voted for the opposition if you had the chance? Why not take the chance you have now and--Say no to abuses of power. November 2nd, vote for a Democrat. Life as you know it may depend on it."
So why doesn't one of our groups go ahead and run an ad that compares Buish to Hitler? We're constantly balamed for it, it's going to get used in the last two weeks against us and one of the comments I hear from moderate repus is that they fear for their civil liberties and that they're uncomfortable with unprovoked war. Hey, if the current GOP is so determined to head off the comparison to Nazis, I say it's because they're AFRAID of being compared to Nazis. Go for it. Copy: "Would you have been a good German and stayed silent when the Nazis built of up the army, persecuted minorities, and handed over power to large corporations? Or would you at have voted for the opposition if you had the chance? Why not take the chance you have now and--Say no to abuses of power. November 2nd, vote for a Democrat. Life as you know it may depend on it."
Nah - not fair to Hitler.
Hitler was elected!
Nah - not fair to Hitler.
Hitler was elected!
Nah - not fair to Hitler.
Hitler was elected!
I'm not surprised he didn't get back to you, Atrios. E-mail is such an impersonal medium. On the other hand, nothing says "I'm paying attention" like a friendly phone call.
If any readers would like to encourage Mr. Fournier to correct the "Hitler" misstatement, they should call him up. His cell phone number is 202-262-1750.
(This is a published number, so I'm not revealing anything secret here.) Also, the main number for the Washington bureau of AP is 202-776-9400.
I'm not surprised he didn't get back to you, Atrios. E-mail is such an impersonal medium. On the other hand, nothing says "I'm paying attention" like a friendly phone call.
If any readers would like to encourage Mr. Fournier to correct the "Hitler" misstatement, they should call him up. His cell phone number is 202-262-1750.
(This is a published number, so I'm not revealing anything secret here.) Also, the main number for the Washington bureau of AP is 202-776-9400.
I'm not surprised he didn't get back to you, Atrios. E-mail is such an impersonal medium. On the other hand, nothing says "I'm paying attention" like a friendly phone call.
If any readers would like to encourage Mr. Fournier to correct the "Hitler" misstatement, they should call him up. His cell phone number is 202-262-1750.
(This is a published number, so I'm not revealing anything secret here.) Also, the main number for the Washington bureau of AP is 202-776-9400.
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