I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first? no way.
FalafelUCKers!
Of course, the wolves ad implies that the Republicans are sheep.
Jon Stewart is on 60 minutes tomorrow night, too bad it was taped before the wolves ad
By the way:
Slate's Fred Kaplan dissects the factual stupidity of the Puppies ad.
Short version: Sic the puppies on Porter Goss.
9/11 simply would not have happened if anyone else beside Bush were in power.
Hey folks
BushCo's big ass bullshit artist Tucker Eskew has a new blog and it's has comments.
Go tell him what you think here.
Comment the hell out of him..
go get em guys....
In the immortal words of Frank the Wolf, "Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"
Fuckwits.
The Oregonian: The race is over, Kerry will win
For those of us who have been following the Presidential race in Oregon over the past few months, it has been evident all summer and fall that John Kerry would easily win the state despite all of the President's money and visits. Even though most of the pundits have tried to tell us that Oregon was a battleground state, I never believed it, though I was glad the Bushies did and decided to unload resources into the state. It appears as though Karl Rove has changed his mind on the Beaver state, however, after wasting countless millions trying to pry it from the Dems.
The Oregonian's Jeff Mapes has a brilliantly titled article on the front page of today's paper that should dispel any notions of a Bush victory. In "As Kerry stakes out lead in state, both campaigns scale back efforts", he writes thusly:
Oregon is still a swing state in the presidential race, but it no longer appears to be a toss-up.
Most polls show that Democrat Sen. John Kerry has carved a clear lead in Oregon, and both campaigns reportedly have reduced television advertising in the state. And there is a good possibility that neither Kerry nor President Bush will be back in the state before the Nov. 2 election.
much more here with analysis
Georgie keeps crying wolf. Can we get these fear-mongering crybabies out of office?
God, I start reading these things, and I just have to stop..because it's so sickening. Will Wolfie, JudyJudyJudy or Kneepads Schneider remind their listeners about the WaPo article? No, hell would freeze over first.
God help us..
The mindset this ad appeals to is the voter that is already mindless with fear.
In other words, it may help to shore up his flaky base.
But that's about all it's good for.
ZuZu, that's why I'm spamming the article like crazy!
"Not all conservatives are stupid,but most stupid people are conservatives" (john
"Not all conservatives are stupid people but, most stupid people are conservative". (johnstewartmill) Grown men and women chosing to follow Bush is like a kid who's subjected to the chaos that his drug induced parents inflict on his home because he trusts them to do the right thing and doesn't know any better.
I left a comment on the eskey web log. My first troll. It was fun!
I can usually tell when there's a new thread: mine is the last post of the previous one...too funny
Which WaPo article??
crap--think I put this in the wrong damned thread; now I have to spam it (apologies)
Well, you know, eminence grise Ted Koppel says journalists can't do as Jon Stewart would like, and call public officials on their lies. I mean, that would involve a working knowledge of the facts, not just current knowledge of the accepted talking points:
Koppel takes issue with Stewart's insistence that journalists should put forth the "truth." "Jon feels people like me in particular should be more opinionated, not less. He feels I have a responsibility to get in there and tell the public, 'Look, this guy is lying' -- maybe not quite that blatantly. I disagree with that only in part. . . . In a live interview you can say, 'That doesn't sound right,' but you don't automatically have all the facts at your disposal."
from the Washington Post.
kelley b. - Bush is desperately trying to shore up his base as it erodes and erodes -
The freepers are reduced to trying to argue that Kerry's goose hunt will be the blow that loses the race for him. LOL! It's really getting pathetic.
It has always seemed that the conservatives who aren't stupid are deluded.
And the conservatives who aren't stupid or deluded are quite evil.
Wolves, bitches.
Wolves, bitches.
Are female wolves "bitches"?
Inquiring minds want to know....
I am emailing Josh's analysis to all friends, fmaily and media outlets. I don't care if I alientate my republican father in law, BushCo has GOT to be stopped.
Tothe ramparts!
Of course, the wolves ad implies that the Republicans are sheep.
Or little girls in red caps.
Or little boys with pop guns.
I know some very smart conservatives and I am telling you their support is totally idealogically driven. And yes, they see what they want to see. But it really is the reality base vs. idealogy. And I am writing this from just outside Waco Texas(yes, I keep the doors locked).
I don't care if I alientate my republican father in law, BushCo has GOT to be stopped.
You shall know the truth, and the truth shall piss you off!
all female canids are taxonomically labelled 'bitches' (IIRC)...
"THEY SHALL NOT PASS"
but please think about WHY Bush wouldn't have gone after bin Laden at Tora Bora.
The fact is, they simply didn't put in the troops there to get the job done.
Is incompetence really the explanation?
Or is it they really didn't WANT to get bin Laden?
And if so, why not?
Hint: CIA asset.
A few miles south of Ann Arbor, in Ohio, I'm reading that thousands of Wrepublicans are preparing to "challenge" voters they don't believe are "legitimate".
In other words, Florida all over again.
It seems these people won't be happy unless they cause the complete breakdown of civil society.
They want to give us two choices: vote their way, or be disenfranchised.
Their arguments are pathetic, Tena, but their attitude is dangerous.
The stupidity of the rethuglicans can be used against them. Why not volunteer to drive Bush supporters to the polls? Let 'em out first while you 'park the car'. Of course you strand them as far from a polling place as possible...
Tell us something we didn't know, Spooked.
Also: son of George's owners.
Once in a while, the truth shows up on the front page of the WaPo. Not very often, though, not nearly often enough.
The majority of the people of the USA will cede their rights to the FASCISTS rather than stand up and risk upsetting their fat, comfy lives...
This is the truth upon which the success of the Bushista junta's efforts to hijack another election rests.
Count on it. They are NOT afraid of the people. They have no respect for the people (and, based on the support they reap from the sheep, they have no reason to.
Until and unlless the people demonstrate--on the streets, en mass--that they're not going to meekly roll over to the threats of these fascist fux, the GOPfux will win...
I read this stuff and walk away with overwhelming desire to watch "sound of music" so i can figure out an escape plan!
Rethugs too stoopid to comprehend reality are placing the rest of us in *lethal danger*
There are mothers in the media, you'all.
Hard working mothers like soft pudding Tucker Carlson, the dear, dear boy.
Now, while I respect his beliefs, if I had a secret girlfriend that acted like him, why, I'd shoot her smack between the eyes before caring for my (small "g") god-fearing family in Texas.
Praise George and pass the ammunition!
geesh that is until i read post on top of mine!
I'd go even further and say that rethugs are waging civil war against the blue states, by proxy. All the Al Qaeda attacks have been against blue states. Red staters are actively supporting the mass killing of their fellow americans.
Bush is increasing the number of "wolves" through his careless actions.
Maybe that's what John Kerry should show in a response ad - a small pack of wolves in a pastoral field, followed by shots where dozens of wolf packs run wild through city streets, along waterfronts where ports and ships (and unispected cargo) are, near nuclear plants, through malls and airports and schools.
Then the narrator could talk about how Bush created a terrorist state and is increasing terror recruitment.
I want to do something to seriously FUCK UPthese mutherfocking FASCIST BLOODSUCKERS. I mean, I want to fuck them up so bad they have to crawl to the bed they'll die in, leaving a trail of blood and guts behind them for the dogs to eat...
I mean I REALLY want to FUCK THEM UP!!!
Spooked - ever read Vonnegut's Cat's Cradele? The bushies need OBL as a boogieman - they are meaningless without him.
Thank, RMJeffers, 12:25PM, for the lead to article about Koppel. The SCLM is driving me crazy.
And, now Koppel says it's "hard work"? What's with these people at the top--first, Bush, now Koppel.
Okaaaaaay. 5 hours a week on air, x hours to prepare. x hours to read and learn things? No staff to whisper in his ear some relevant facts? No time to revisit issues when guest states something egregiously wrong? Like a lie?
Boy, Jon Stewart is really getting under the skin of the Big Media guys. Also, the bloggers?
ok that's a little scary konopelli- perhaps all that rage can be used for GOOD!
RMJ - so if the wolves imply the Repugs are little girls in red capes, that makes Big John Kerry the woodsman who saves the day, doesn't it?
i mean, Cat's Cradle
I mean I REALLY want to FUCK THEM UP!!!
Konopelli
You can - by voting on Nov. 2, and by going down to your local K/E office right now and asking what you can do today to get people energized and to the polls, and to make sure votes are counted.
Believe me, there is nothing that will fuck up a Republican more than a free, fair election where all the votes are counted.
"We don't do body counts" - Gen. Tommy Franks.
CNN did a blurb this morning that government officials are saying there is a possibly of terrorists attacking polling places. The funny thing was they kept saying there was no real information about when or if an attack might actually happen. A truly pathetic attempt by Bushboy and Co. to scare voters.
What next?
Catch the new movie, Dancing with Puppies, a Halloween fright fest for the whole family to enjoy!
Yep, that's the ticket!
Shows their desperation. I don't know how these so called Christians can lie and lie and lie and lie. No true Christian I know would or could lie like that.
'Liars' is also the name of the latest Todd Rundgren album. It concerns the recent unfortunate events and the lying liars who perpetuated them. It's really really really good, tuneful as well as topical. Find it.
I'm really tired of Wonkette being quoted in major media pieces. Who the fuck is she? She's a goddam gossip columnist with a blog, fer chrissake...
That said, I think she's right when she says Jon Stewart has a target painted on him now. (It's an obvious point, so let's not give her too much credit for making it.) The media whores are gunning for Stewart. They want to take him down for taking them down. They're pissed.
And you know why they are so pissed? Because they know he's right. Deep in their heart, they know he's right. He's made them feel ashamed, and they aren't going to take that lying down.
So let's all be sure to stand up for him when they charge.
want to do something to seriously FUCK UPthese mutherfocking FASCIST BLOODSUCKERS. I mean, I want to fuck them up so bad they have to crawl to the bed they'll die in, leaving a trail of blood and guts behind them for the dogs to eat...
I mean I REALLY want to FUCK THEM UP!!!
Konopelli
I hear ya, there is enough of that to go around for all.
But really, what we need is to de-fuck people.
Calm down, Konopelli. Never forget the rethugs have large masses of inbred idiots easily recruited as shock troops, and they're well armed. We shouldn't attack them. Instead, via taunting, feigning retreat, etc, lead them into well-prepared ambushes.
I'm doing 'good'. I'm registered voters; Im in a GOTV movement. I donate money and time. But it won't mean a thing unless the GOPhux actually think there's a cost for fucking up the country, destroying our democratic infrastructure, and generally undoing 200 years of liberty.
There is no incentive in the GOPuke camp NOT to steal this election. There is no disincentive for criminally foreclosing the franchise for legeitimate voters.
That should cost 'em something. Until it does, they will not stop...
I'll happily take a few with me, then...bring 'em the fuck on....
We's jus guessin, Boss. Awful sorry my shit-for-brains people fucked up on you agin. Go head on and lash 'em, Boss, we got it comin, yassuh.
Reminder: Jon Stewart interviewed by Ken Auletta (10/14) on c-span tonight at 9 pm est.
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Why can't we run an ad like this as a counter. It's effective as heck and funny to boot - 'exposes the man behind the curtains' with no room for ambigiouity. Why this hasn't been run down the sidelines since day one I don't know. WTF....Political Physics
Y'all presume there's still a structure in place to guarantee a free and fair result.
I am not so certain.
There's NO way anyone with half a brain can ever again trust the reported results of a US election.
The GOPukes are fuck-ups:
They fucked up the presidency.
They fucked up the Congress.
They fucked up the Courts.
They fucked up the Franchise.
They fucked up the military.
They fucked up the bureaucracy.
They fucked up health care.
They fucked up wages.
They fucked up schools.
Isn't that enough fuck-ups for one party?
I do not trust the machinery of the State (of which they control all three branches) to expel them...
I can usually tell when there's a new thread: mine is the last post of the previous one...too funny
Gee I thought that was me
(will not look at JFK's hands till after sundown)
(Hope italics work)
"In a live interview you can say, 'That doesn't sound right,' but you don't automatically have all the facts at your disposal."
Apart from the fact that it is their job to be informed, Koppel's reply is disingenuous. The problem is not simply that the media is ill-informed. The problem is that the press is a pack of cowards.
The most flagrant example I can think of was when MSNBC's Gloria Borger had Cheney dead to rights over his denial that he told Russert it was "pretty much established" that Mohammad Atta had met in Prague with Iraqui intelligence shortly before 9/11. Cheney famously denied it...3 times, no less. Borger was reading the actual quote as she looked down at her notes but was so intimidated by Cheney that she simply muttered "OK" at his denial. The quote was from an NBC appearance on Meet the Press, but neither NBC nor MSNBC pointed out the contradiction until Jon Stewart did it the following evening. Only then did Campbell Brown, sitting in for Tweety, show the two clips. (What are the odds that Tweety would have done that?)Embarassingly, she had to credit Stewart for the catch.
Is it any wonder Stewart, and the rest of us, are so bullshit at these mediawhores?
I 2nd this emotion:
'Liars' is also the name of the latest Todd Rundgren album. It concerns the recent unfortunate events and the lying liars who perpetuated them. It's really really really good, tuneful as well as topical. Find it.
Noam Sane
Here it is...
George Tenet's ass is mine. No kidding, I will nibble him a new asshole for being such a weasel.
THEY CALL ME A VERY BIG RABBIT
Gosh, it will sure be nice if we could stick our heads back in the sand and pretend the only dangers in the world were corporations and rich people. It really pissed me off that bin Laden inconvienenced me by killing all those people on 9/11 and made it uncool to hate on America for so long. Hopefully Kerry will make it fashionable again.
Rethugs too stoopid to comprehend reality are placing the rest of us in *lethal danger*
Mike
When your family is killed in a blue state because of Bush's incompetence, you can blame the fundies who are happily snugged away far from danger in the red states.
Daily Kos had a thread speculating on why Pat Robertson made the statement he did about Bush. I think he made it to distance the fundamentalist movement from it's strong prior support of the quagmire that Iraq has become. Other top echelon in the fundamentalist movement like Jerry Falafel and Tim LaHaye haven't followed suit. Christian fundamentalism supported all the death and destruction in Iraq and don't let them make you forget it. And I wish people would stop calling them "evangelicals." (Even sounds sort of angelic, don't it? Far from it.)That's what they've taken to calling themselves after 9/11 because they didn't want to be associated with Islamic fundamentalism. Hmm, wonder why...but they'll always be stinking FUNDAMENTALISTS to me.
Y'all presume there's still a structure in place to guarantee a free and fair result.
I am not so certain.
There's NO way anyone with half a brain can ever again trust the reported results of a US election.
The GOPukes are fuck-ups:
They fucked up the presidency.
They fucked up the Congress.
They fucked up the Courts.
They fucked up the Franchise.
They fucked up the military.
They fucked up the bureaucracy.
They fucked up health care.
They fucked up wages.
They fucked up schools.
Isn't that enough fuck-ups for one party?
I do not trust the machinery of the State (of which they control all three branches) to expel them...
Konopelli
My advice: offer no violence.
"Power is the great evil with which we are contending.
We have divided power between three branches of government
and erected checks and balances to prevent abuse of power.
However, where is the check on the power of the judiciary?
If we fail to check the power of the judiciary, I predict
that we will eventually live under judicial tyranny."
-Patrick Henry
Probably completely out of line with the discussion, but my Netscape homepage is headlining (it's CNN, via Time Warner; media consolidation, etc., etc., etc.) "Report: No evidence of U.S. terror election plot."
And one of the stories on rotation is: "GOP Voter drive accused of tossing cards." That, coupled with a mention of investigations in 7 states around similar charges.
Not a lot of good news there for Bush& Co. And this late in the game, momentum shifts with the slightest puff of a breeze.
CNN did a blurb this morning that government officials are saying there is a possibly of terrorists attacking polling places.
It seems that the Terror Warnings for the election were ,,, well,,, not all that real ...
see this story.
No Evidence of U.S. Election Terror Plot -Report Reuters.com
I actually don't think the rethugs are fuckups. I think they're businessmen looking to show a profit at the end of the quarter. I don't think they have any desire to actually 'govern', they just want to loot, and use the treasury and military to engage in risky investments. Privatizing the profits and socializing the risk, using Other People's Money and Other People's Children. In this view spending billions on getting bush reselected is a great investment since the payoff is hundreds of billions.
The fact the rethugs are putting up a fight is actually a good sign: they think there's still more to loot (like social security). Otherwise they'd let the democrats win so the economy can build up a little before the thugs loot it again.
Wolfpacks for Truth
Another Tweety HAH!!!
I wonder if all y'all recognize the depths to which the GOPhux will sink to ahng onto power, and not incidentally, to escape the overdue wrath of the people whom they have so gratuitously fucked up and fucked over...
Never underestimate the shit the fascists will pull to defeat freedom...
"The fact is, they simply didn't put in the troops there to get the job done. Is incompetence really the explanation?"
There is a simple explanation, and it is the same reason they ridiculed Gen. Shinseki: they were determined to show that a small US force could bring about huge changes in the facts on the ground. That was what "shock and awe" was all about, and it was a central tenet of the neocon strategy of an American empire.
The neocons knew that fear of large American casualties was a big brake on their dreams of empire, so they had to sell the idea (which I think they themselves believed)that our highly sophisticated military could leverage its power by inducing the warlords in Iraq to do our bidding and the resistance in Iraq to melt away.
The fact that this idea has now been disproved and discredited is the one good thing to emerge from this debacle, because it will make future administrations less eager to launch wars of choice.
And when he sang "they may be stupid but they sure are fun" was he predicting the advent of Rovian trolls?
found this comment on the Eskew site... just classic.. thought I'd repost it here (it's obviously sarcastic...I hope)
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How dare that evil Senator Kerry challenge our Dear Leader for the office of the presidency! What does he think this is, a representative democracy or something? He needs to get with the program and step aside so the Boy King can reclaim his throne by acclaimation. Then, if he shows proper fealty to the ruling one-party state (perhaps by kneeling to kiss the ring of our Dear Leader and promising to always walk on his knees so as not to embarrass Dear Leader with his superior height) maybe he should be allowed to live in spite of the treason he has committed by daring to voice (gasp!) different ideas and opinions about public policy and security. From the way this guy talks you'd think he believes he has a right to voice opinions and facts that contradict Dear Leader's talking points. Doesn't he know that 9/11 changed everything?
As outraged as I am that anyone would have the temerity to challenge Dear Leader's sterling leadership, I am confident that we can beat the offender, and any of those who agree with him, into submission and continue our march to consolidating our power. Imagine the glories that will ensue when we control not only the Presidency, the Supreme Court, the House, the Senate, the federal bench, the majority of governorships and at least half of the legislatures....then we can begin the real work of suppressing dissent from those traitorous individuals who have different opinions than our own. See, it's their fault that we haven't been able to create the conservative paradise we've so long described, even though we now control everything. These powerless grumblers are ruining everything!
Think of the towering strength and continued prosperity we will attain when we complete our transition to a one-party state. We will realize the same great benefits other one-party states have achieved in the past. Who can forget the steely resolve of the Russians under Stalin, or the hearty robustness of the Stalinist economy? The nationalistic zeal and patriotic fervor of the Germans under Hitler? The ideological purity of Cambodia under Pol Pot? Yes, fellow former conservatives, all of these benefits and more will be ours if only we succeed in destroying the one man who threatens it all -"Hanoi John" Kerry. Only he stands between us and the re-education of the citizenry that must be undertaken so that we may finally achieve ideological Nirvana.
Fight hard! Only 10 more days until the election!
by jennifer
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Newt:
the other thing is that, with enough AK47s and RPGs, a determined resistance in an urban setting can defeat--or at least deter--the best equipped army in the world...
They are, simply put, liars. They have been caught in their lies and gotten out of the accountability because the media is too chickenshit (or too paid off) to hold their feet to the fire. God only know how deep their rabbit hole goes.
In other, blogwhorring news about liars,
What really happened to Paul Wellstone?
The facts of this tragic death brought to light in a new book are disturbing when put into context of what was happening at the time of Senator Wellstone's death. If the implication is true, then I shudder to think of what four more years of these people will bring. Happily I won't think about that, because I believe we're going to win this baby on Nov. 2nd!
Wolfpacks for Truth
Another Tweety HAH!!!
ZuZu's Petals
Hahahah!
There is a simple explanation, and it is the same reason they ridiculed Gen. Shinseki: they were determined to show that a small US force could bring about huge changes in the facts on the ground. That was what "shock and awe" was all about, and it was a central tenet of the neocon strategy of an American empire.
And, of course, all they have really done is to show the U.S. is not as powerful as we claimed to be (always dangerous to call your own bluff), and that we can be despised with impunity.
Future administrations won't want to launch wars of choice so readily. But we are actually weakened. We have been shown to be, in the long run, a paper tiger. We can destroy the country, eviscerate the infrastructure, and topple governments.
But we can't stop car bombs and suicide bombers. We can create chaos. But we can't do any more than that.
That image we had of ourselves as the rebuilders of the world (i.e., post-war Europe) is slowly being shredded, and right before our eyes. Turns out we aren't any better at empire than the Europeans, and, in fact, we're much worse.
Always dangerous to start believing in your own mythology.....
OK, so we'll probably win but Bush will steal it again. Then what?
Konopelli
Consider the poll numbers, it is not
Bush 80 Kerry 20. It is always close.
Consider the voter turn out.
Consider the Blogs that have gone from
a small venue in the world of politics
to one that has the weight of a news
organization or even industry. Consider
Stewart and his show. Consider all the
good people who are actively talking about this President and his minions. Okay whatif Bush wins? Hell to pay in ome ways, but he has 50% of this country galvanized against him and his ideaology. My intuition says that a Liberal or Democrat is "thinking" about their vote, not just pushing the lever from blind loyalty. The portion of the country that will roll over already has, they are voting for Bush. The rest of us, we won't be rolling over soon. Bush is like the King in the Wizard of ID. He is truly not aware of the movement against him and his ways. He hears what he wishes. A win, he will see as a clear mandate of the people, when he actually has half of this country ready send him out of DC on a rail. The farther we go, the less afraid I am. Again, it is not a matter if he leaves office, but when and how much damage he will have created. I still have a lot of faith in the American people.
I wonder if all y'all recognize the depths to which the GOPhux will sink to ahng onto power, and not incidentally, to escape the overdue wrath of the people whom they have so gratuitously fucked up and fucked over...
Never underestimate the shit the fascists will pull to defeat freedom...
Konopelli
Well, they haven't nuked anyone yet. But they are preparing to do just that...
And no, 20,000 lives don't mean shit to some of these killers.
I still have a lot of faith in the American people.
EkCenTrik
Cool. Its good to hear we haven't bombed your house or family, then.
A lot of that contaminated flu shots batch got into the US supply before it was blocked. It causes pneumonia which can be deadly for old people.
And this late in the game, momentum shifts with the slightest puff of a breeze.
Robert M. Jeffers | Email | Homepage | 10.23.04 - 1:01 pm
We are also now in the bunker-buster days of slime, where each side will spring any inbedwithliveboyordeadgirlpictures type shit. I'm nervously confident my side has the MOAB for these motherfuckers.
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That image we had of ourselves as the rebuilders of the world (i.e., post-war Europe) is slowly being shredded, and right before our eyes. Turns out we aren't any better at empire than the Europeans, and, in fact, we're much worse.
Absolutely correct. The problem with empire is that you can't half-ass it. Our system of government (very rightly) prevents them from exercising the type of absolute power that must be wielded to hold an empire together, therefore their lame attempts to build one (without calling it that, of course) are doomed to failure.
OK, so we'll probably win but Bush will steal it again. Then what?
Incognito
yeah, i think that's the real question, too.
Pitchforks and burning brands scared off Frankenstein's monster. They wont work against Bradleys and Guard troops accustomed to firing at civilians...
Okay, so how long has Kerry/Edwards been using this line and making this point about Bush outsourcing the hunt for bin Laden to the war lords when the US had him cornered in Tora Bora? We heard it in the debates and it has been used for months now.
We never heard a peep from Cheney, Franks,members of the RNC or the Bushco Liars club or any of the media fact checkers about this being incorrect. No one has ever mentioned this as being wrong and no one has ever called Kerry or Edwards on this fact ever...EVER.
But now, all of a sudden when their arses are just about to be handed to them on a silver platter with about 2 weeks left til the election they just remember this important fact. Riigghhht! How convenient.
Please stop acting like we are a bunch of chumps...I am sick of being treated like this. And just because the media has proven themselves to be chumps time and time again, don't assume all the people are. You can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Uneffingbelievable and the media reports this as a "he said she said" moment. Shaking head in disgust...but it appears that Bushco can fool the media all of the time.
According to NYTimes this past week, one of the reasons they did not put in enough troops was because they wanted to do exactly the opposite of what Clinton did in Kosovo. Clinton put in more troops than were needed for security purposes.
Correct me if I am wrong, but we have yet to have a casualty in Kosovo.
It's the same rationale that was used for ignoring UBL befor 9/11. They wanted to be the unClinton presidency. And, ta da, they sure are shit are.
Unfortunately, we are paying the price.
We can too run the world all by our selves. God speaks to me through the words of his prophet George W Bush. I am frightened. The brown people have no right to have all that oil when it's the USA who uses the stuff. I am frightened. John Effin Kerry is floppy and French. His wife is odd. John Edwards is a trial lawyer. I am frightened. The homos want to drive the USA into the ground. The death tax keeps the Paris Hiltons of the world from realizing their full potential. I am frightened and only George W Bush can save us.
Oh me, oh my
I guess I should be SO scared.
I got an e-mail this morning saying that "if you think you know what God will or will not do, you're clueless."
Actually, the tw*t who sent me the e-mail is clueless.....besides being someone who makes no sense.
I sent her back an e-mail which said "Excuse me, but WHO the F**K are YOU?"
Absolutely correct. The problem with empire is that you can't half-ass it. Our system of government (very rightly) prevents them from exercising the type of absolute power that must be wielded to hold an empire together, therefore their lame attempts to build one (without calling it that, of course) are doomed to failure.
Aethern
Even a full assed empire is doomed to collapse.
Entropy crushes everything.
Pitchforks and burning brands scared off Frankenstein's monster. They wont work against Bradleys and Guard troops accustomed to firing at civilians...
Konopelli
So, what then? I guess we can do the funky mass demonstrations which they ignore again....
BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!
That is to laugh!
www.wolfpacksfortruth.org
EkCenTrik - I'm glad you still have faith in the American people because I do too. Bush is not going to win this election. He just isn't.
The news for the last 2 weeks has been solidly terrible for the administration.
Everyone who has sold the American people short are going to be surprised, I think.
I'm with Tena.
(always nice to be on the side of the winner! and when the winner is right, too, well....lagniappe!)
CNN did a blurb this morning that government officials are saying there is a possibly of terrorists attacking polling places. The funny thing was they kept saying there was no real information about when or if an attack might actually happen.
I dunno 'bout you folks, but I would consider threatening, intimidating, and knowingly disenfranchising voters to be a "terrorist" act.
OK, so we'll probably win but Bush will steal it again. Then what?
Incognito
yeah, i think that's the real question, too.
Pitchforks and burning brands scared off Frankenstein's monster. They wont work against Bradleys and Guard troops accustomed to firing at civilians...
Konopelli
Malcolm X,
My neighbor is too old and weak to machine gun her way back and forth to the 7/11, so its civil disobedience for the time being, I'm afraid.
With love,
Martin LK
Even a full assed empire is doomed to collapse. Entropy crushes everything.
Very true, as well. The problem with these guys is that they don't understand history. The only hope for the US is to forsake the temptation of empire and conduct itself as an equal member of the global community, even if that may not be in it's short term interests.
Even a full assed empire is doomed to collapse. Entropy crushes everything.
Very true, as well. The problem with these guys is that they don't understand history. The only hope for the US is to forsake the temptation of empire and conduct itself as an equal member of the global community, even if that may not be in it's short term interests.
Aethern
Well said. There is hope.
The problem with empire is that you can't half-ass it. Our system of government (very rightly) prevents them from exercising the type of absolute power that must be wielded to hold an empire together, therefore their lame attempts to build one (without calling it that, of course) are doomed to failure.
Yes, but the long-term effect on national interests and foreign-policy interests of the country, are what worry me now.
The neo-con effort was idiotic and doomed from the start. The damage done to the country will likely be far worse than just removing the scales from the eyes of Americans who still think we are the morally superior nation.
A Bradly tank was blown up today by a roadside bomb. CNN and the rest of the media just reported that 6 troops were "wounded" or they'll say "hurt." Why don't they just tell the truth? Tell that 6 troops had their legs and jaws blown off in Iraq northwest of Baghdad.
Sometimes I wonder about the long terms effects of prolonged exposure to particulate deadened uranium and whether the US casualties from this war aren't gonna get close to 100%
Yet another reason we can't have an empire: our awesome military makes any battlefield toxic, maybe for years...
johnx
Nice come back
But the point stands. Consider that my
form of Ideological based thinking.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/m.../9989544.htm?
1c
GOP Voter Drive Accused of Tossing Cards
DEBORAH HASTINGS
Associated Press
In several battleground states across the country, a consulting firm funded by the Republican National Committee has been accused of deceiving would-be voters and destroying Democratic voter registration cards.
Arizona-based Sproul & Associates is under investigation in Oregon and Nevada over claims that canvassers hired by the company were instructed to register only Republicans and to get rid of registration forms completed by Democrats.
"We treat these complaints very seriously," said Oregon Secretary of State Bill Bradbury. The Democratic office-holder said three complaints were filed with election officials throughout the state. He declined to provide details, citing the continuing investigation.
Substitute teacher Adam Banse wanted a summer job with flexible hours, so he signed up to knock on doors in suburban Minneapolis and register people to vote.
He quit after two hours. "They said if you bring back a bunch of Democratic cards, you'll be fired," Banse contends. "At that point, I said, `Whoa. Something's wrong here.'"
The ONLY result which would remove the Bushistas is a HUGE defeat.
two problems with that:
1) there'd have to be one, and
2) the people'd have to learn of it.
I think there are precautions in place to prohibit the first (voting machine fraud). I am not sure the press is independent enough, or powerful enough anymore to make certain of the second...
konopelli,
What do you think of student, sit-down strikes to protest tuition costs across the country, as a start?
My neighbor is too old and weak to machine gun her way back and forth to the 7/11, so its civil disobedience for the time being, I'm afraid.
Nah, she's not. We'll set her up in a sniper's nest.
The ONLY result which would remove the Bushistas is a HUGE defeat.
We need a landslide to squeak by.
Oh, if only to have faith in the process...
What Aethern said (before I have to go). But there's going to be a lot of debris to clean up, and a lot of reconciliation required, before we get to rejoin the global community.
Even Kerry, as some have noted, is having to run somewhat in Bush's footsteps on foreign policy. Enough to reassure people that Kerry will be as "tough" as Bush talks (but hasn't been). We'll have to work around that to begin the restoration process, but we can.
Wow - Robert M Jeffers is with me!
They can't win and they can't steal it, either. They are being watched like hawks and the more voter fraud that is exposed the worse they look.
Oh god it's going to be a long week ahead.
We ask Allah to turn this Ramadan into a month of glory, victory, and might, to hoist high in [this month] the banner of religion, to strengthen Islam and the Muslims, to humiliate polytheism and polytheists, to wave the banner of monotheism, to firmly plant the banner of Jihad, and to smite the perverts and the obstinate
johnx
Nice come back
But the point stands. Consider that my
form of Ideological based thinking.
EkCenTrik
Seems more reasonable than my seemingly infinite yet useless cynicism.
Carry on!
I saw the ad thing on Crossfire yesterday
and I am now completely convinced
Kerry will win.
If there was ever a Jump the Shark
moment, the wolves ad is it.
Barring a blatant theft, the Republicans
and the Bushes are history.
We pray to almighty Allah for a Kerry presidency, to assure our victory over the Americans. With such an ally as John Kerry in the White House, we shall be assured of prevailing over evil USA.
We ask Allah to turn this Ramadan into a month of glory, victory, and might, to hoist high in [this month] the banner of religion, to strengthen Islam and the Muslims, to humiliate polytheism and polytheists, to wave the banner of monotheism, to firmly plant the banner of Jihad, and to smite the perverts and the obstinate
Sawt
There is no god.
If there was one, then the humility should be rested there, and there alone.
ramadan mubarak
When they steal it again, what can we do?
Not a damn thing.
"THEY SHALL NOT PASS"
We pray to almighty Allah for a Kerry presidency, to assure our victory over the Americans. With such an ally as John Kerry in the White House, we shall be assured of prevailing over evil USA.
Osama bin Lenin
Brainwashed to the bone.
Okay. Have fun, I'd rather vaccumm my apt.
I happen to be reading this section of Sy Hersh's book right now (begins on p.12
.
Hersh paints a picture not so much of US "outsourcing" the job to the locals as a case of incompetent command on Franks' part, insufficient intelligence, ignorance of intelligence from Delta Force, Navy SEALS and Australian SAS, and planners bickering with Air Force and Marine units, leading to the 10th MD simply getting their asses kicked.
The SEALS located caves that they believed to be Al Qaeda hideouts on which Franks refused to order bombing runs.
I have to make another pass over the pages I've just skimmed, but it appears that in this case Bush is attempting to evade responsibility for fuckups that actually were committed by other people.
It's interesting that Kerry pushes this as "outsourcing" rather than as a US military failure. Hersh says Wasley Clark shamed him into making sure the story was told.
Hersh says Wasley Clark shamed him into making sure the story was told.
"him" = Hersh, not Kerry.
Boy, Jon Stewart is really getting under the skin of the Big Media guys. Also, the bloggers?
Jawbone |
Jon Stewart IS the voice of the bloggers. Big Media knows it.
I am not sure the press is independent enough, or powerful enough anymore to make certain of the second...
Konopelli |
That's OUR jobs, now. The mainstream press is now the organ of the corporate state.
We'll have to be the independent media, and we're too diffused to be taken down short of destroying the 'net.
Freeped Fucker's blog:
"Kerry's goose is cooked. Bush's cook is french.
Tell us which is worse.
Republican brownshirts in Ohio. Challenging legally registered minority votes.
Jim CroW. returns...
You can take my early ballot from my cold dead hands. No Americans will take this corrosion of conformity.
Claiming voter fraud is so September 10th of you."
We need to just assume repub talking points to the point of satire. Let the General gain some comnverts there as well. I have the feeling that Tucker can be won over in the strictest of heterosexual terms.
When they steal it again, what can we do?
Take your medicine.
if you're worried about a terror attack before the election, this is worrisome.
Oh, and Atrios?
FIVE posts before I've had my first pot of coffee? Jeez.
Must be the revolution...
Take your medicine.
theodoric
Shut up, fool.
Lies about 9/11, terror, Iraq, are directly related to lies about Vietnam (swifties, Sinclair and co.).
Jackson Lears is right that Vietnam really does matter now, because most Americans have been hiding from the truth about our imperial foreign policy for decades.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site...n/article/1421/
Kerry once had the courage to stand up in public and spell out the consequences of that policy, which is an unpardonable sin for those trying in every way possible to avoid, conceal, distort the truth.
Someone both clever and wise (can't recall where) wrote: "Why do they hate us?; They hate us because we don't know why they hate us."
all you breeders out there - teach your children well:
expplain to them the difference between progressive and conservative
this is the best we can hope for - children would NEVER EVER back conservative ideas - it runs contrary to their lives which equal growth and change - completely progressive and non-conservative
Finally watched the ad... puppies is right.
Whoever did this has no clue how to build tension or fright into a scene. IMHO, the scary thing about wolves is not a lone wolf... but rather the idea of a coordinated pack attacking prey from multiple directions jumping out of the ungrowth.
In this ad though we only see a few quick cuts of a single wolf in the brush... when the wolf is moving it is shown moving away, and then the lazy sunning themselves in the field at the end. There's a couple of tail wags, no stalking, no bared fangs.
It comes off too much like someone's dog having an off-leash run in the forest to really put fear into the subconscious.
Plus they're trying to jump a ***huge*** cognitive difference in linking terrorists to wolves:
1. environment: green forest vs. brown desert
2. high-tech destruction (i.e. airliners) vs. teeth
3. a scary foreign speaking human who's language is inscrutable vs. warm furry canine what we understand (i.e. every knows the meaning of bared fang, wagging tail, droop ears, etc We all speak "dog" to some extent)
4. political motive (i.e. the terrorists) that is hard to understand vs. need for food
And I think point 4 is what kills the ad for effectiveness. Groking wolves is brain stem material, while comprehending terrorism is much more higher level... and that gulf is too wide to easily tie together.
Atrios miss the mark on the liars. The media does know the real story and the fact that the repubs are liars. You see they like it that way. It drives their ratings throught the roof. Bush and his irresponsible, mindless, dangerous and criminal way drives ratings. A Kerry presidency would be far to boring for them. Of course they forget how much fun the repubs have with Democratic presidents. Short memory I guess.
They want the war and the lies.. it's more fun for them and much more profitable.
Seriously, what can we really do about it? Sue? Mass demonstrations again? Have a sit-in around the White House and Congress? For how long? Boycott? For how long? Call our Congress person and await a form letter in the mail? Mobolize the leftist brigades? Oh wait, they're the only ones with the troops. Really, what can we do when they steal it again?
I wonder if Michael Moore would approve if masses of folks copied Farenheit 9/11 in industrial quantities and left copies on every house on their block?
What really gets me: That after the first airline hijacking 1960's? All cockpit doors weren't reinforced. It had to take something like 9/11 to get serious. Another thing if 1 to 3 million illegal aliens can walk right in the back door what good is it shaking down Grandma at the airport?
EASY WAYS WE CAN HELP GET BUSH-CHENEY OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE - GRASSROOTS EFFORT - JOIN IN BY PASSING IT ON!
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Check this out. In a debate yesterday, Sen. Voinovich (R-OH) defended his vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq thus:
Voinovich, 68, a former governor of Ohio, defended his vote, saying President Bush "did the right thing."
Bush "understood that Saddam Hussein was a threat to that part of the world," Voinovich said.
Hmmm... I don't remember it being presented quite that way at the time...
EASY WAYS WE CAN HELP GET BUSH-CHENEY OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE - GRASSROOTS EFFORT - JOIN IN BY PASSING IT ON!
http://www.helpkerrywin.com/
Everyone who has sold the American people short are going to be surprised, I think.
Have you noticed that the GOP is waging the last election, not this one? It will take a big effort to win this year, no doubt, but all the signs are that this effort is well underway.
"Really, what can we do when they steal it again?"
Well, we can start by not assuming that there's nothing we can do but let them get away with it. Which is what happened in 2000. Nonviolent civil disobedience in the form of a general strike is a starting point. The Republican right has vastly underestimated the anger and commitment of both moderate and progressive Democrats and independents. We can shut this country down very quickly.
http://filmstripinternational.com/
really worth seeing...and hearing
I have been pondering the Sinclair issue. It is obvious that the stock had been affected by the letter writing etc to their vendors. Not sure if this will hold or if Sinclair was doing a show of bipartisanship with the show the other night so they can fling the other out and say see we played fair.
But the point is, the lash back did have an effect. I am wondering if economic boycotts on the scale of a party would have effect elsewhere. I am a bit hesitant to promote that for one basic reason. It would have to be something done to correct a wrong and not coerce a result. If it is used for coercion, then we would be no better than the opposition. I was thinking of like a national stay home this weekend type thing. Do not buy gas or travel for the weekend. Sorry if this is a bit diconnected, I am still waking up a bit.
Seriously, put off any possibly avoidable purchases until the day after Kerry's inaugeration. Save your money and give him a mini-boom to start with.
Have you noticed that the GOP is waging the last election, not this one? It will
take a big effort to win this year, no doubt, but all the signs are that this effort
is well underway.
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 10.23.04 - 1:51 pm | #
Good point. The fact that at this late
date they're running ads about Kerry
being too liberal is straight out of
1988. It doesn't work anymore, but nobody
told Rove.
I wonder if Michael Moore would approve if masses of folks copied Farenheit 9/11 in industrial quantities and left copies on every house on their block?
Yes, he would, in case there's any doubt in your mind.
His publisher wouldn't be happy, but he personally wouldn't mind a bit.
re: voting irregularities
Check out the
Election Protection Coalition
which is running a nationwide hotline to deal with problems voting.
Stuff you can do to support them:
1 - Get the word out on the hotline. The number is 866-OUR-VOTE.
2 - Volunteer! This is the first time this kind of hotline will be run nationwide, and they need lots of help.
3 - Volunteer on the technical side at Verified Voting TechWatch
You may get a t-shirt out of it...
I admit, that was me posting at Eskew's site.
"If it is used for coercion, then we would be no better than the opposition."
Not true. Democrats probably won't start another war. Reselecting the boy king likely means at least another 100K dead muslims.
Face it, we are jews in 1936 germany.
I thought it might have been you Jennifer. Great post.
Wow, I just checked out Eskew's site.
He's more batshit nuts than Adrian.
Take a look at the newsweek online poll. I know it's not scientific, but it's gotten to give you some hope of a much bigger victory for Kerry than many expect. There can't be only Kerry supporters online right now.
If anticunt Ann Coulter says liberals are traitors, isn't she happy so many liberal new yorkers died on 9/11?
I think many expect things will turn out right because of our long-standing traditions and institutions. But in 2000, Bush & Co. cracked them, and by now, they're broken.
Mike
That is a hell of a thought. That is why we should never back down in the event this administration is put back into place.
By coercion, I really do mean that, if we strong arm someone into behaving, it will be a temporary effect. Now if you simply want to make a statement of "Here we are!", then fine. But I would prefer it would be one that is fixed within the boundaries of righting a wrong. Sinclair did us a favor by showing the ugly side of this election. But by seeing an actual effect when people rose up a bit, they have become the strawman for what to do when others follow their path.
Does anyone out there find the term "breeders" to be any less offensive than "faggot."
Thersites - Are you talking about a big effort on the part of the Democrats? I'm not quite following your comment - sorry.
Yes, I've noticed that in some ways the Repugs are replaying the 2000 election. But in a lot of ways they are not. Mainly, they haven't made any effort to look moderate this time. They made every effort to fool people on this score last time.
A blistering attack on Bush in the Valley News, the newspaper of the Upper Valley region of Vermont and New Hampshire. It's very logically written. Not to mention, their endorsement is so detailed, it's taking two editorials to make the case against Bush and for Kerry.
The Valley News has always tended to be as neutral as possible at all times, so I was taken aback in reading today's article.
http://www.vnews.com/10232004/20...004/
2026060.htm
Does anyone out there find the term "breeders" to be any less offensive than "faggot."
Yup, much less offensive. When 20-year old boys are found lashed to a fence and beaten to death with the word "Breeder" carved into them for the sin of trying to pick up a girl in a bar, I'll be offended.
Does anyone out there find the term "breeders" to be any less offensive than "faggot."
patriotboy
It's nowhere near the same. It's like saying "cracker" and "niger" are equivalent. "Breeder" and "cracker" don't have the long history of pain associated with them like "niger" and "faggot" when white heterosexuals controlled the language. Actually, the word "faggot" doesn't bother me at all anymore but it used to.
from my tucker eskew post:
Please let Dubya get selected again by the Supreme Court. Maybe with all the National Guard playing traffic cop in Iraq we can finally get a real protest going. I'll sure miss the preznut when he goes -- Kerry doesn't provide enough material to get excited about. I think the RNC should use machine guns instead of puppies in its ads. I want to see our fearless leader firing off a coupla clips into an Osama Bin Laden look-a-like and stomping on his face. I will only vote for Our Favored Christian Leader if he gets personally violent with some heathen muslims:
The last two years, the American people have come to know me. They know my blunt way of speaking.
-- Dubya seems to think he took office in 2002... Daytona Beach, Florida, Oct. 16, 2004
One of the most amazing events of my life, at least as the presidency, was to go to the NASCAR Race here at the Daytona 500.
-- OK, two things: (1) Dubya is the president, not the presidency, and (2) How could going to a NASCAR race be the most amazing event of his life or of the last four years? Daytona Beach, Florida, Oct. 16, 2004
See? I'm going to miss having a retard as my preznut! When daddy passed the Americans with Disabilities Act, he musta known that his chowderhead son was going to run. Oh the humanity!
about the lack of troops in afghanistan--
i have always assumed that they didn't send more troops there because they couldn't. afghanistan is hard to get to. difficult to supply. twice as many soldiers means twice as much food, twice as much water, twice as much ammo etc. has to be sent to them. it wasn't done the way it was done because of any military doctrine claiming that a small force would be more effective. it was done because supplying a large army in afghanistan is still as difficult as it ever was.
why don't the surrogates get out there on the sunday shows and refute these lies with the facts? Josh Marshall has the facts straight, why can't Wes Clarke refute this bullshit once and for all?
Bill O'Reilly - Carribean Stud
Once people get into that hot Carribean weather they shed their inhibitions, you know they drink during the day, they lay there and lazy, they have dinner and then they come back and fool around ... that's basically the modus operandi in many of these places.
patriotboy - "breeders" - kind of offensive, yeah.
And Anonymous assumes that parents can control how their children lean politically when they get old enough to vote. Ha. Ha. Ha.
"breeder" doesn't bug me, really. And I am raising my kids as progressives...
I'm a donor to several wildlife organizations and have been contacting them to urge a response from them about this ad's equating an endangered species with terrorists. Hopefully we can get some press releases from one of them. Let's get busy urging World Wildlife, Defenders of Wildlife and Wolf-specific organizations for action.
No exit polling results are being reported from early voters? Makes me think that they are heavily in Kerry's favor.
It's not just what they say, it's mostly what they don't say.
But I'll say it. BUScH is toast. Cheney is the devil.
Senator Warner has his nerve too, bringing up an objection that the intelligence did not expressly have to come from Feith exclusively-- there was more accurate intelligence out there. Warner get yer head out of yer ass. Feith, Cambone, and Wolfowitz need a permanent assignment in the Baghdad office cleaning up their mess.
Georgie keeps crying wolf. Can we get these fear-mongering crybabies out of office? - Geoff
Brilliant!
We ask Fiver to turn this TurningCold into a month of glory, victory, and might, to hoist high in [this month] the banner of herbivores, to strengthen greens and the roots, to humiliate wolfism and wolves, to wave the banner of integrity, to firmly plant the banner of the Black Rabbit, and to smite the republicans and the obstinate assholes that vote for them.
I dunno, Tena. I do think parents can shape their kids' instincts. We go for critical thinking around here, plus openly jeering at puffed-up examples of power. But then, Thersites is the father of my children, so they probably never had a chance.
We also disallow racial and homophobic slurs at our house, lest you think we're softies with no discipline. If a visiting kid calls someone a "fag," they get an earful from me. And apparently, we're the only parents on the planet who require chores. Or so I hear.
thought I'd take a break from cleaning and laundry to peruse the web, and on Earthlink's home page, this is the lead story. Finger in the wind, p'haps? Followed by leads that read "GOP Voter Drive Accused of Tossing Cards" and "Close Election May Not Stay That Way".
Interesting, methinks.
Shut up, fool.
look, I tried to be nice, but you're fucking paranoid, dude.
Now, it would be one thing if you made reasonable arguments for why you think the Republicans can steal another election, and how you think it might be preventable.
But you don't. You just come here and whine, and wring your hands.
I try to filter you out along with the trolls, but sometimes I can't resist.
I'll try to be better about tuning out your whining in the future.
On the stump: THE TRUTH
Kerry is on FIRE and looks like a WINNER!( I LOVE his new " It's hard work" line!
Bush: Trying hard and coming off more stupid then ever.He is just dreadful today. He looks like a candidate who is losing. It is the truth.
Let's get busy urging World Wildlife, Defenders of Wildlife and Wolf-specific organizations for action.
Funny you should mention that. I was just looking at the 18 or so calendars the environmental groups I donate to sent me (thus far), and each one of them provides photographs of wolves at rest and play. And not ONE of them is wearing a chador or keffiyah.
The wolves, I mean. Not the calendars.
Y'know, just in case you were confused.
The wolves, I mean. Not the calendars.
Y'know, just in case you were confused.
dammit! sorry.
This is a real story. Hammer it.
It's a shame that media matters for america has so many non-stories that clutter up the space.
With more discretion, especailly two weeks before the campaign, maybe --and I don't know -- media attention could be forced on make-or break issues.
And this one is the whole nine yards-- competence, credibility, priorities.
Nobody gives a fuck about Ann Coulter or Luntz. Focus on this. Trim it down.
Olaf glad and big - good assumptions - very difficult terrain to police - that was why the US promised to train and equip 70,000 Afghan troops - promise not kept - at last count (months old) they had 7,000 and desertions were common and the resources were scarce - a broken US promise - this was going to be an example to the Muslim world making this place work
And while 70,000 troops would be a pittance in the face of such vast hostile terrain, with the help of US ordinance and some US forces on the ground to deploy them (laser guided everything! - right into those damn caves if you like!) the ability to tame Afghanistan's worst elements exists - Going there and trying to make it work was righteous.
I was on the road when Kabul was liberated from the Taliban and the NPR headline was they're flying kites in Kabul!
The siginifigance being that the Taliban outlawed kites and pretty much childhood altogether - truly evil people
If Bush had stuck to that while building a global consensus about how to thwart a global scourge, Eschaton would be a quaint little blog for left-wing nutters instead of gutcheck central
NYMary - I'm with you, and probably it works that way more often than not. Still - kids of progressive parents who rebel sometimes go off in the other direction. Sometimes they grow out of it later. There are no guarantees, as I know you know.
But it sounds like y'all are outstanding parents and I'm sure you will raise a lovely little batch of progressives. I have one friend whose parents are very liberal, and so is she. Her two daughters, however, flirted with fundamentalism for awhile. Thank the goddess they grew out of it, finally. My parents were Repugs. I've been liberal since I was born.
What I don't get is why the media gives them all the free air-time. They play it over and over. It's like the first SBVT ad. Give it enough free air-time, along with voice over hype, and you create the story. WTF is happening with the media?
I also saw MoveOn's ad. It airs Monday. It shows W's oh so funny dinner presentation about looking for WMDs in the Oval Office. "Let's see, no WMDs here. Nope, not there." Meanwhile, the sister of a dead soldier wants to know why he thinks missing WMDs are so funny. It's an absolutely devastating attack, and very on point. The media has it. How many here have seen it?
So what's going on here. Are they hyping the wolf ad to suck the oxygen out of the air before the missing WMD ad airs? You tell me.
Tena (and NYMary),
My parents were both raging liberals. My father was a state assemblyman (Democrat, natch), so politics was dinner conversation (more like education) for us. 3 out of the 4 of us grew up with the same set of morals that our parents had; it wasn't until last year that my brother really came into his own and got radicalized, when he realized how this illicit war would affect his kids, aged 9 and 11. Now they march, they leaflet, they protest. It's heartwarming.
My father's no longer with us, but my mother goes door-to-door, registers voters outside the post office in her town, and is proud of all of her kids.
So it can be done. Show them the way.
In ref. to wolf-man's comment: "CNN did a blurb this morning that government officials are saying there is a possibly of terrorists attacking polling places..."
I keep thinking about the payments B/C04 have made to Vance International. According to DailyKos (03/20/04), "Since July, Bush-Cheney Inc. has paid Vance International and one of its subsidiaries approximately $750,000. Should they continue at their current rate, by election day the Bush campaign will have paid over $1.5 million to a firm known for high-tech security and surveillance and low-tech picket line thuggery." Makes you wonder.
Thank you Tena, for adding me to the First Draft blogroll. I wuv you guys (sniff).
watertiger and NYMary - thank you both. It gives me great hope for future that y'all are working so hard for the forces of light.
From what I've been hearing from my friends, all their kids, who are all late teens/early twenties now, are ardent Kerry supporters. This election is a like a defining moment for these kids. When Big John wins, it could cement the feeling in them that they can accomplish their goals through voting and working with the process. That could ultimately save this country because voter apathy and ignorance has been killing it lo these many years.
They are all Jon Stewart fans and surprisingly, big Bill Maher fans, too. I didn't realize that Maher was much of a draw for younger viewers, but apparently he is.
I admit, that was me posting at Eskew's site.
Jennifer
Jen, I've seen you deliver a smackdown so many times, that I was pretty sure you were the author of that delightful piece of writing.
You go, girl.
Has anybody heard any advance word
about what Jon Stewart said on
tomorrow's 60 Minutes?
All the media wolf hype aside, aren't wolves pretty much neutralized as a symbol of evil?
Through the years, dating back to "Never Cry Wolf" and before, wolves have been shown to be something other than what our ancestors portrayed them to be. It's kind of hard to invoke that passe image now, which probably explains the disconnect between viewers and media over the impact of the ad.
It's kind of like using Orcas (aka Killer Whales). Once upon a time they would have worked as a symbol of evil, but that was 30 years and 500 Nature, Living Planet, Nova, National Geographic, Discovery Channel programs ago. Now we identify with them. Oops!
My two-cents.
This also posted at that mother tucker's site
*********
Vous don't nous effrayez, porc-chien droit d'aile ! Allez bouillir vos fonds, fils d'une personne idiote. Je souffle mon nez sur vous, prétendu George Bush, vous et vos kiniggets républicains idiots.
Posted by: Chasseur De Singe |
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Translation
You don't frighten us, right wing pig-dog! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person. I blow my nose on you, so-called George Bush, you and your silly Republican kiniggets.
Originally from Monty Python and the Holy grail
Well, now it's totally obvious why Tommy Franks is shilling for the neo-fascists.
He might believe their hype, yes, but the real reason is this: only by aligning himselves with them can he hope to conceal his utter incompetence at doing his job.
This is the guy who fucked up Afghanistan, the capture of bin Laden, and the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Just like the pampered wastrel he supports, he has a long history of catastrophic failures that has cost this country in troops, security, credibility, and money.
We're on to you, Generalissimo. Your efforts to rehabilitate your own record are doomed to fail. Give up now. You failed us, and you betrayed democracy to Cheney and his cohorts.
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If he's re-[S]elected, Bush's first job likely would be changing nameplates on the chairs in the Cabinet Room.
Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) has been widely expected to be first out the door. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites), Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, and Health and Human Services (news - web sites) Secretary Tommy Thompson have said, or hinted, that they don't plan to stick around. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld hasn't said what his plans are, but many expect him to leave — if not right away, then after a year or so.
from the linked article.
Somewhat OT: Is the puppies ad running nationally or just in swing states? Because I've now seen it twice here in Louisiana--does their internal polling show Louisiana to be less solidly Bush country than was previously thought? I mean, I've seen a lot of KE04 signs and stickers in New Orleans, but assumed that the rest of the state (remember, we are home to David Duke) would tilt it for Bush. Does anyone have any idea what's going on??
The mere fact that he's re-elected will throw real fear into the powers that be in al-Qaida, in Tehran, in Pyongyang, or wherever that this guy's still going to be around and that he's a tough customer to deal with," said Edwin Feulner, president of The Heritage Foundation, a conservative-leaning think tank in Washington.
"Bush will be more credible internationally," Feulner said, "and the Jacque Chiracs of the world will not be able to take the cheap shots at him that they have in the past."
From what I can tell, the "powers that be" in Al Qaida, Pyongyang or wherever" ain't exactly shaking in their boots right now. Boy, would I love to have a toke of whatever Feulner's smoking.
I have to laugh every time I see that ad, as if Bush has made us safer! As if more than 1100 brave soldiers have not died, as if he didn't sit there like a little girl (no insult to little girls) reading to the children on 9/11.
If the Bush motherfuckers can run the puppy ad, why can we run the ad of the twin towers being hit by the second plane while Bush sits picking his nose in the classroom as clueless then as now. How about that ostrich photo side by side with the towers burning?
If Bush runs his mouth about Kerry attempting to cut defense spending, why not show Bush cutting spending on terrorism just prior to 9/11?
Another good ad, showing Bush saying how he is just not that concerned where Bin Laden is side by side with the towers burning. And who is soft on terrorism?
Where the fuck are the grownups in Kerry's campaign and why are they not using flame throwers to take this admistration down?
"THEY SHALL NOT PASS"
Where the f#$% are the grownups in Kerry's campaign and why are they not using flame throwers to take this admistration down?
MoveOn's ad starts Monday. It shows W joking about looking for WMDs in the Oval Office. "Let's see, no WMDs here. Nope, none there."
Meanwhile, the sister of a dead soldier asks us, "What's so funny about not finding WMDs? My brother is dead."
MoveOn's certainly not pulling punches. This is brutal stuff, and rightfully so.
...better to let the surrogates run this kind of stuff.
Remember, Kerry has to be able to govern once the election is over.
Sucker Eskew Finds the "Internets"
The GOP has finally found a way to bridge the gap between the preznut and the internets in the last days of the campaign. Sucker Eskew, not to be confused with Sucker Carlson over at CNN, now has a blog on which all God-fearing Amurikans should voice their opinions. Just remember, Carlson is the one with bowtie who likes to argue with comedians and Eskew is the one who looks like the preacher's son caught with a key in the hotel room door.
When you think of Sucker Eskew - think, Message Pimp.
sucker eskew loves the internets
OBL is dead, we cremated his butt 3 years ago. There's just nothing left to prove it. The real proof is that we have not seen him on tape for that time. He surely would have shown his face since then if he was alive. Those famliar with the region and its' peoples know he's dead. Bush got 'em. Kerry is like the punk kid that brags what HE would have done, after the fight the other guys had is over.
Kerry is like the punk kid.
Today Sinclair, tommorrow the government.
Might as well get use to it.
I wonder if Michael Moore would approve if masses of folks copied Farenheit 9/11 in industrial quantities and left copies on every house on their block?
Approve??? Hell, at his slackers tour stop here, he advocated it...
and a couple of threads back someone linked the address to rip and burn it, with advice to distribute like a maniac, ands there was also a story about somebody getting it onto public access. College Republicans: like their historical predecessors in Young England, always ten steps behind...
Anonymous - How do you know WHERE OBL is? And if your massah knew that he was even remotely likely to have been cremated, he would have taken all kinds of credit for it. Instead, he has half wits like you running around spining fairy tales. We will just have to see. Terror isnt about one person, or one country. Its a point of view coming from feelings of powerlessness converted to overt aggression on to the believed enemies. Feelings like YOU have - hmmm. You Bushies all are sure terrorizing your country and many others in the world with your hate filled and paranoid visions of empire. We intend to stop you though we recognize that it will not be easy. You want and feel comfortable with your fear, anger and hatred.
Yep, Bin Laden's dead but not because Bush got him. Arab papers have been saying for sometime now that he died on December 24, 2002 of failing kidneys. But of course that kind of information is scrubbed from American News. It wouldn't do to have Bin Laden just keel over and die of natural causes. Bush must find a way to capitalize on his death.
I fully expect Bush to drag out his corpse any day now and claim to have recently killed him. That would be a really great October surprise.
How about this for a Kerry ad?
"Even after the first terrorist attack on America, George Bush was so distracted by Iraq that he failed to act on several warnings that Al Queda was determined to attack us again. On 9/11 they did.
Now, 3 years later we’re still distracted in Iraq while Al Queda is on the prowl in over 60 countries. In an increasingly dangerous world we need a leader who knows who our real enemies are."
I fully expect bush to drag out his corpse any day now and claim to have his record expunged.
ctober 20, 2004
Lebanonwire
A Bush pre-election strike on Iran 'imminent'
White House insider report "October Surprise" imminent
By Wayne Madsen
According to White House and Washington Beltway insiders, the Bush administration, worried that it could lose the presidential election to Senator John F. Kerry, has initiated plans to launch a military strike on Iran's top Islamic leadership, its nuclear reactor at Bushehr on the Persian Gulf, and key nuclear targets throughout the country, including the main underground research site at Natanz in central Iran and another in Isfahan. Targets of the planned U.S. attack reportedly include mosques in Tehran, Qom, and Isfahan known by the U.S. to headquarter Iran's top mullahs.
The Iran attack plan was reportedly drawn up after internal polling indicated that if the Bush administration launched a so-called anti-terrorist attack on Iran some two weeks before the election, Bush would be assured of a landslide win against Kerry. Reports of a pre-emptive strike on Iran come amid concerns by a number of political observers that the Bush administration would concoct an "October Surprise" to influence the outcome of the presidential election.
According to White House sources, the USS John F. Kennedy was deployed to the Arabian Sea to coordinate the attack on Iran. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld discussed the Kennedy's role in the planned attack on Iran when he visited the ship in the Arabian Sea on October 9. Rumsfeld and defense ministers of U.S. coalition partners, including those of Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Iraq, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Mongolia, Poland, Qatar, Romania, and Ukraine briefly discussed a very "top level" view of potential dual-track military operations in Iran and Iraq in a special "war room" set up on board the aircraft carrier.
America's primary ally in Iraq, the United Kingdom, did not attend the planning session because it reportedly disagrees with a military strike on Iran. London also suspects the U.S. wants to move British troops from Basra in southern Iraq to the Baghdad area to help put down an expected surge in Sh'ia violence in Sadr City and other Sh'ia areas in central Iraq when the U.S. attacks Iran as well as clear the way for a U.S. military strike across the Iraqi-Iranian border aimed at securing the huge Iranian oil installations in Abadan. U.S. allies South Korea, Australia, Kuwait, Jordan, Italy, Netherlands, and Japan were also left out of the USS John F. Kennedy planning discussions because of their reported opposition to any strike on Iran.
In addition, Israel has been supplied by the United States with 500 "bunker buster" bombs. According to White House sources, the Israeli Air Force will attack Iran's nuclear facility at Bushehr with the U.S. bunker busters.The joint U.S.-Israeli pre-emptive military move against Iran reportedly was crafted by the same neo-con
Bush got 'em.
Utter nonsense. He's sipping exotic coffees secretly in Riyadh. His family owns George Bush.
Silly troll.
"shame on our pathetic media for, as usual, thinking scary puppies are more important than the fact that the president who allowed 9/11 to happen then allowed the perpetrator of 9/11 to get away so he could have his war against a country which had nothing to do with 9/11 is now lying about it."
Dude, that may be the most confusing sentence I've ever read that wasn't in the U.S. Tax Code.
that may be the most confusing sentence I've ever read
Atrios is saving his commas to send to the troops in Iraq who haven't been provided with enough commas for their own use.
Vietnam Veterans Against the War, the group Kerry led, was squarely in the radical wing of the antiwar movement, which is the reason for another of Kerry's misrepresentations. VVAW was so extreme that at its November 1971 leadership conference in Kansas City a motion was tabled to resort to terrorism and commence assassinating America's elected officials. Although the motion was voted down after lengthy debate, the very fact that it was given serious consideration shows just how far-out VVAW was. Probably for that reason, Kerry had denied being present at the meeting in Kansas City. Gerald Nicosia, author of a highly sympathetic account of veterans' antiwar activities, reported in the Los Angeles Times earlier this year that "several people at the Kansas City meeting recently said . . . that they had been told by the Kerry campaign not to speak about those events without permission." However, when FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act placed him at the meeting, Kerry withdrew his earlier denial, admitting he may have been there but saying he had "no personal recollection" of it.
What's this?
Kerry was actually in Vietnam? Fighting a war, holding the very power of life and death in his hands?
Then where was George W. Bush?
Who the fuck knows?
Well, you know, eminence grise Ted Koppel says journalists can't do as Jon Stewart would like
Back in the early 90s or maybe late 80s there was an analysis done of Nightline's guests and it was ludicrous the degree to which they were white, conservative to right wing nutty, male, establishment figures. Someone, mighta been Mark Hertsgaard, called him on it and Koppel's response was telling: "well those are the people in power" or something to that effect. Since many of his guests were not in any position of government power and were "powerful" only in the Beltway guru/lobbyist sense (Kissinger was on every other night it seemed), his defense was even more inane than it would otherwise have been. But that's where his head is and since then it's just moved farther up his ass.
I just sent an email with a link to the TPM link in this post to a bunch of WaPo reporters. I asked them how they felt about being called liars. I wish I knew who specifically wrote that 4/17 article; I'd send the email to them as well.
If anyone knows who wrote the email, please let me know and I will write them as well.
"vietnam veterans against the war, the group that kerry led, was squarely in the radical wing of the anti war movement. . ."-kirschia
hey kid, i got news for you. there was no other wing to the anti war movement, at least from the point of view of the pro war people. are you even old enough to vote anyway?
Vietnam Veterans Against the War, the group Kerry led, was squarely in the radical wing of the antiwar movement, which is the reason for another of Kerry's misrepresentations. VVAW was so extreme that at its November 1971 leadership conference in Kansas City a motion was tabled to resort to terrorism and commence assassinating America's elected officials. Although the motion was voted down after lengthy debate, the very fact that it was given serious consideration shows just how far-out VVAW was. Probably for that reason, Kerry had denied being present at the meeting in Kansas City. Gerald Nicosia, author of a highly sympathetic account of veterans' antiwar activities, reported in the Los Angeles Times earlier this year that "several people at the Kansas City meeting recently said . . . that they had been told by the Kerry campaign not to speak about those events without permission." However, when FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act placed him at the meeting, Kerry withdrew his earlier denial, admitting he may have been there but saying he had "no personal recollection" of it.
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