I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE.
Because America deserves competence.
Picture this. 380 tons = 760,000 lbs.
Could Bush any more incompetent?
al Qaqaa?
heh. Too good to be true ...
But other people have more explosives than that, so it's really like they have none at all.
Can anyone repair the damage done by this administration? That's a tall order.
Why?wHy?whY?WHY?
President Bush, wherever he is this minute, should be dragged to a national press conference to explain how the HELL this could happen. We are taken to war on the FALSE PRETENSE of WMD and this administration has FAILED UTTERLY to safeguard munitions that are far more usable and REAL.
Heh Heh Condi make a Boom-Boom heh Heh She didn't Tell Me Heh Heh It's her and Clinton's Fault heh Heh Need to put her on a leash Heh Heh Oh already did that last Halloween
Picture this. 380 tons = 760,000 lbs.
That's a hell of a lot of suicide bombers killing soldiers and Iraqis.
All silent at NRO, other than a donnish math joke from John Derbyshire...
Maybe the explosives are over by Lake Al Tittiqaqaa!
The classics. They never lose their rich humor, do they?
I just went all Beavis and Butthead mode with Al Qaqaa . . . it must be the margaritas but I can't stop giggling . . .
Turning hanging chads into a joke helped us lose the last election.
The incompetence of these people is truly breathtaking.
They couldn't have fucked things up any worse if they'd tried.
Jesus. I don't really know what to say.
One pound of this shit was used in the Lockerbie bombing? And these assholes let 380 tons walk away? And then they lied about it to the American public? And our troops are getting killed and maimed because of this? Unfuckingbelievable. Unfuckingbelievable.
I want their scalps. Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney. I want these worthless scumbags to hang for this. I want scalps.
Unbelievable.
Jesus.
Bring the troops home. Now.
I am shaking I am so mad right now.
Needless to say, this is a huge disaster and a huge story. I would expect the world to react to this.
I hope the so called mainstream media beats this drum for a the next week.
I just went all Beavis and Butthead mode with Al Qaqaa . . . it must be the margaritas but I can't stop giggling . . .
Yeah, this is a real goddamned kneeslapper.
Al Qaqaa has weapons of mass doo-doo.
(It's the microbrew for me, LoriDori. And don't you miss Beavis and ButtHead? Damn. Now that was some stupid funny.)
"Colin! I need to get your fingerprints on a candlestick. Meet me in the conservatory chop-chop. And don't worry, everything's gonna be allll riiight." (for you Simpsons fans)
Granted I haven't read the full article yet, but the excerpt Atrios posted leaves open the possibility that this only happened recently . . . they should have made it perfectly clear this happened ages ago.
That's a hell of a lot of suicide bombers killing soldiers and Iraqis.
Repeat after me: Half a million Lockerbies
Sorry to meme-whore, but I really think that one could have some visceral impact for anybody who was paying attention to the news in 1988.
Half a million Lockerbies
Picture this. 380 tons = 760,000 lbs.
It equals over 760,000 crashes in Lockerbie. 760,000. Ohmyfuckinggod.
Oh no!
It's QaQaaGate!!!
It is unclear whether President Bush was informed.
Fucking pathetic.
Where, oh where is the fucking outrage at?
Al Qaqaa has weapons of mass doo-doo.
Take a look at this and I dare you to laugh again. I fucking dare you.
Criminals -- all
Dr. B:
Heck, if it took less than a pound to bring down PanAm 103, then I'd bet the number needs to be ONE MILLION. One MILLION plane crashes, folks.
Now I'm really scared.
Ya think maybe this will finally tip Andrew Sullivan over to Kerry (sarcastic laugh here)?
"It is unclear whether President Bush was informed."
Pretty much speaks for the whole 4 years.
380 tons is almost half a kiloton. The bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki were of the order of 10 kilotons.
Old Hat:
I was shaking mad when I first heard about this earlier. Forgive those of us who have moved on to hysteria and looking for comfort in the gentle humor of Beavis and Butt-Head.
It doesn't mean we're not aware of the gravity of the situation. We're just ahead of the pack here... Six pack.
Rice just learned this in the past month? I call bullshit. Although, she has been so busy campaigning.
I blogged this story here. It is really hard to exaggerate the importance of this story.
Magnum:
I don't give a flying fuck if the Hiroshima bombs were 10 kilotons when less than a pound of this shit that is now MISSING, thanks to BushCo's incompetence, can take out JET LINERS. Get a fucking clue.
Where, oh where is the fucking outrage at?
Oh, believe me, it's coming. It's coming.
I wondered where all the explosives came from. Seems they could blow up the entire country. A pound for every soldier there, and half a million left over for the next batch to arrive. Let's hope that's going to bring down a lot of qaqaa on the Rethug admin's heads.
LJ -- yes, you could easily get a full million of "less than a pound" chunks out of 760,000 pounds. I was just being conservative (heh, heh) and allowing for some loss-in-transport and for less-competent terrorists (who might use a little more than a half-kilo) and so forth.
Half a million, a million -- it's still a lot of potential tragedies that could have been averted.
Feel safer now, anybody?
Geez, Old Hat. That was truly nasty and uncalled for.
I'm not a bad guy here. Get off my case. We can't all be feeling outraged at the same time.
Rude and uncalled for.
The bastards will probably shrug this off as well.
Who was it that said: "Sincerity is the key; once you can fake that you've got it made"?
I think think the administration has done something like that. They've pulled the wool over their eyes so tight n' snug that they can in all confidence say they see nothing wrong, and no obstacles in their way.
And they've taken in a vast number of armchair jingoists, soreheads, and fearful biddies.
I hope the press has the guts to persue this and rub their noses in it.
LJ you colossal dumbass, I was pointing out that the missing explosives is almost nuclear in its potential scale of destruction.
RDX has been the choice of insurgents in Kashmir for IEDs since the mid-90s:
Given the easy availability of explosives and, appreciating the external involvement in providing RDX to militant and criminal groups, and the simple process involved in making an IED, the RDX-IED combination will be the real problem in the coming years; more so than the AK-47s in the hands of the militants.
More here. A quick Google search for 'RDX IED Kashmir' shows just how little of this stuff is needed to make a huge fuck-off mess.
345 metric tonnes: that's 345,000 kg. And you can make a pretty big IED with a couple of kg of RDX...
For the love of fuck.
We invaded to find WMD's.
We leave a whole goddamned mess of WMD's unguarded.
I'm trying to remember when I knife-raped a retarded nun . . . because I don't know how much worse a US president can get.
This is nauseating.
BTW - LoriDori, that Al Qaqaa is some funny shit . . .
Geez, Old Hat. That was truly nasty and uncalled for.
Thousands of people are getting their limbs blown off with this RDX shit and you're cracking doo doo jokes?
Shut the fuck up.
W's safety of America is "up in the air" comment makes it onto CNN's cover page:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...reut/
index.html
Meanwhile, a quick look at foxnews.com (ick, I know), reveals a story on arrests linked to election day terror strikes. Was Condi advised on her campaign appearances?? WTF??
http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2...,136410,00.html
So, um....any reports on whether this stuff can be detected by standard airline security procedures?
Historians will be busy for centuries trying to decipher just how badly this administration fucked up.
Everything Bush touches turns to Al Qaqaa. It isn't enough that he has turned this country to shit, he has to endanger the entire world.
"President Bush, wherever he is this minute, should be dragged to a national press conference to explain how the HELL this could happen. We are taken to war on the FALSE PRETENSE of WMD and this administration has FAILED UTTERLY to safeguard munitions that are far more usable and REAL.
mag "
Yeh, if we had real fucking journalists! How come I don't feel they are really gonna press His Chimpyness and the band of Criminals?
It isn't enough that he has turned this country to shit, he has to endanger the entire world.
And Bush has done just that. We must assume al Qaeda has these explosives and they will turn up all over the world.
Were they used in the Madrid bombings?
Wow.
You're really being an asshole, O.H. I'm surprised and disappointed.
That's just fucked up and wrong of you to attack me like that. Really wrong.
I thought you were cooler than that. Stupid me. But now I know something I didn't know before.
Thanks for the eye-opener.
So, that's the October surprise. Let's see how long it takes Rove to send out the message to the liberal media that the missing explosives are somehow on their way to the US via terrosists who are planning a big one. When do you think we'll go to red? Will it be after holloween-orange, or will they by-pass it altogether and go straight for hellish-red? October 30, Holloween night? MMM...
The Bush administration is simply evil and stupid. The thing is, one is the cause, the other is an effect. I would be much happier if they seemed stupid because they were evil, but the sad fact is that they are evil primarily because they are so goddamned stupid.
To put this into perspective, if the Nazis were this stupid, rather than evil, WWII would have ended when they totally lost control invading Czechoslovakia. Oh, sorry. I forgot how it works: They would have intended to invade Czechoslovakia, but would have ended up kicking the shit out of the small Greek island of Corfu before losing control of it.
Compared to what the US has there in Iraq, the insurgents don't have much, as someone said upthread.
That's the least of the problems. What do you think the Shi'a are doing about all this...you don't think they're bringing in from Iran what they'll need to defend themselves in the Big Contingency, do you? You don't suppose that there are nightly deliveries of weapons? I doubt the Shi'a are relying on the US after their '91 experience.
The looting was the greatest military blunder by the U.S. in any recent conflict. It's insane that any invading army would allow the locals to loot weapons caches and military installations. Absolutely insane. This is like trying to march to Moscow in winter. You just don't do that, and you don't let people loot high explosives, artillery shells, AK-47s, or anything else of military value. Honestly, I can't believe that anyone would give the civilian leaders behind this descision any clout after making a blunder like that. I hope someone digs up the clip of Rumsfeld dismissing the looting as insignificant and stating that this sort of disorder was normal in a war zone. I'm sure other administration officials have said similar things. This is an issue I've been following since stories about the looting started appearing at the beginning of the war and I'm glad people are finally starting to get the picture -- the U.S. gave free weapons to its enemies. That's almost treason.
I hope Kerry is ALL OVER THIS tomorrow. Words cannot adequately convey what I feel right now. Has anyone in all of human history ever fucked things up so badly in so short a time?
lima -
yeah, that would be rich. on the way to the US and unleashed by this boneheaded war. Rove: "Re-elect us to save yourselves from our fuckup!"
It's sad, because a lot of idiots wouldn't even catch that.
Combine this with the nuclear material that vanished from al Tuwaitha and similar sites.
The problem is a lot worse than you think.
I don't think I would be so fucking furious at the Bush regime, if they had even bothered to execute their imperialist invasion with any shred of competence...
It's bad enough they had to throw away all the good will our country had built over 228 years, and destroy all the credibility we had for this. But that they couldn't even adequately plan for something they had been lusting after for years is just insulting in the extreme.
Morons. Absolute fucking morons. President Kerry needs to send every last one of them to the Hague, ASAP. It's the only way we can be taken seriously as a country again, and it's the only way I'll ever be able to have any faith whatsoever that this country is ultimately good and decent. To let Caligula and his handlers walk away untouched would completely betray everything this country was founded to protect.
We'll do what we can to put you in office, Big John, but you have to do something for us in return: hold them accountable. For once in their miserable wasted lives, make them take responsibility for fucking something up.
Old Hat,
I beleive you are truly outraged. Of course. Everyone here is. I respect your feelings.
But don't start looking like you're trying to win the "I'm More Outraged Than You" Award.
The only thing that was gaurded was the Oil Ministry.
It was always about the oil.
It is unclear whether President Bush was informed.
Oh, yeah, I mean why should our courageous war-time preznit be bothered about some silly little thing like 380 TONS of high explosives. Why, he has so many more important things to do, like go around the country and tell the assembled adoring masses how John Kerry is a tax and spend liberal flip-flopper. As for our media, well, they're all wrapped up covering the REALLY big stories: Theresa Heinz Kerry's bad comment about Laura (aka the Stepford Wife) and Scott Peterson's trial. I shudder to think about what could happen if even a FRACTION of this shit gets smuggled into this country. Yeah George, you and the other knuckle draggers in the GOP are really keeping us safe; keep an eye out for those puppies will ya - they may be packing a surprise.
Lisa, I'm sure the picture of that kid losing not only his hand but his mind is an abstraction to you -- bytes of information flashing across the screen as you sit in the comfort of your house somewhere in America.
The least you could do for him and the myriad of others just like him, whether their in their graves or hobbling around on crutches in a hospital, is to let him have a little dignity.
Maybe you could keep a little dignity yourself instead of acting like a third grader.
I don't really find any of this funny.
But that's just me.
Which press are you talking about? In this country and at what time. These are still acting like elementary school boys over their first nude pinup-"Lesbian Mrs. Kerry was tooo bold" Kerry went shooting geese instead of having them released in front of him like Cheney and Beat My Ass Scalia Jon Stewart isn't playing monkey (YOU got Leno for that)
Dub -
That's correct, most Bush supporters didn't hear Cheney's threat, remember? US is in danger if Kerry gets elected!
...less than a pound of this shit ...can take out JET LINERS.
Um, well, so can tall buildings. Maybe they're laying some charges under the Green Zone.
Can anyone say
FULL CIRCLE
Going to war to stop our enemies from obtaining weapons
then as a direct result of our actions providing not only weapons to our enemies but targets to use them upon.
Let the goddamned media squeal.
Free men are entitled to steal.
Don't get blown away.
A little looting's OK.
Shit, I'll bet there's no fucking newsreel.
This was Saddam's brilliant Parthian Shot, to disburse weapons caches everywhere. I saw films during the beginning of the war, Iraqis were complaining that they had begged the US forces to haul away weapons caches that had been stashed in schools and residential areas. But they were refused, they couldn't even get a few soldiers to guard the caches. And now the weapons are in the hands of anyone who could carry them off.
So Saddam lost the war but won the "peace." You could see this coming a mile off. Too much focus on nonexistent WMDs, while huge stockpiles plain old bombs and bullets were ignored as no threat. How many tons of RMX does it take to become a WMD?
This has been the number one headline at Yahoo most of the day:
Kerry ridicules Bush on terrorism remark
Old Hat's perfectly-reasonable outrage aside, all this administration deserves is ridicule. I expect Kerry to pile it on over this, and find quite a receptive audience. I esp. hope he makes that "xxx,000 Lockerbies" analogy. That's very, very easy for the average person to understand, unlike the whining of the brownshirts over meetings with Security Council "A" instead of Security Council "B".
The brownshirts are so fucked. It'll be a pleasure to kick their asses for the rest of the 21st century.
It is unclear whether President Bush was informed.
Yeah, well, he's only the GODDAMNED LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD! I knew they were incompetent 3 years ago, but this. This...
This election better be a landslide.
The first step of any post-war plan is to secure the bad stuff. Of course there was no post-war plan. Even after they were warned.
How many member of Congress knew about this -- and said nothing?
Magnum:
Perhaps you misunderstand what a kiloton is. It's an "equivalency metric". Means that 1 kiloton has an equivalent explosive force as 1000 tons of TNT.
RDX is 1.5-1.6 times as powerful as TNT, depending upon the mixture used. So 380 tons is ~.6 kiloton in terms of raw explosive power.
RDX (and its admixtures), however, are among the most brisant explosives known to man. Effectively, this means that stuff like walls become shrapnel, rather than cover. Letting 380 tons of this stuff out of your sight, let alone trying to cover up the fact that you did, is utterly unconscionable.
Feel safer?
RDX is passed around in 1kg bags.
And UNMOVIC -- you know, the inspectors who Saddam wouldn't let back in? -- inspected Al-Qa Qaa in late 2002 to check that the stuff under seal was still there. Lots of times.
Oh, and from the WaPo's Barton Gellman, aka the anti-Judy Miller: everyone who stopped by al-Qa Qaa after the invasion basically worked on the premise--
'No chemical weapons? No biological weapons? Just high explosives? Ah, fuckit. Leave it to the Iraqis.'
Do you think that icky, bald, fuck Cheney ever lays there at night and think "Wow, we sure fucked-up pretty bad"?
Seriously, I wonder what it's like to be directly responsible for so much death?
And a message to Unka Karl's goon squads: We're not gonna take it!
...Edward Bitet fought in World War II, built affordable housing for veterans and taught sixth grade. When the Long Island native retired to Florida, he fulfilled another civic duty by becoming a poll worker.
But Bitet, 77, isn't volunteering this year — he says he doesn't trust Palm Beach County's electronic voting machines. He walked out of a county demonstration of touch-screen terminals convinced that software bugs could wreak havoc on Nov. 2.
"We lost an election four years ago because they fooled around with the paper ballots and couldn't recount them," said Bitet, a Democrat. "Now we're moving to a system without paper, and they won't even have the ballots to recount. I can't be a part of this."
Problems in those 15 counties with paperless voting systems — home to just over half the registered voters in the crucial swing state — could delay the results for days or weeks, and even force the courts to step in again and choose the next president.
...if this proves to be another ultra-close vote, many critics of electronic balloting — including the many Democrats who believe the 2000 election was stolen — say they'll take to the streets.
"I was angry last time. This time it'd be quadruple the anger," said Francois Jean, 27, whose ramshackle ranch house in Miami's Little Haiti neighborhood is festooned with Kerry placards. "The system we were supposed to believe in failed us — like we didn't even vote, like we were aliens from outer space who didn't count."
David Niven, a political science professor at Florida Atlantic University, expects massive demonstrations if exit polling is close and lawsuits and technical problems overshadow a clear victory.
"I don't know if there will be rioting in the streets with pitch forks and torches — after all, many of these people are 75 years old," Niven said. "But it's fair to say that their level of anger will grow exponentially from four years ago."...
It's no surprise, then, that black voters in the state are among the most distrustful of e-voting. They've experienced a disproportionate number of problems in elections — from felon voter purges that included non-convicts to early voting polling stations set up miles away from the nearest black neighborhood.
"The Republican Party has tried to disenfranchise us," said Addie Greene, a black Democratic commissioner for Palm Beach County. Greene helped the county purchase 5,000 Sequoia voting machines — then became an active opponent of paperless voting and is asking constituents to send in absentee ballots.
"Palm Beach County will create a stir nationwide that no one ever would believe ... if we're disenfranchised again," she said.
channel the rage people.
channel the rage.
Get on the media now!
If you need links let me know.
How long has that poodle Tony Blair known about this -- while saying nothing?
It's sad that perfectly good people have to spend time nowadays trying to think like the neo-cons in order to keep up with tha pace of the lies. I can't wait for Kerry to win, but I know that Rove has buried land-mines all around US - in case they lose. The shit is going to hit the fan any way.
Land-mines: metaphorically speaking.
Who shit in Old's Hat?
Yeah, it sucks. But see, George Carlin's bit about finding humor in anything.
Lightening up doesn't reduce your anger or rob any one of their dignity.
All right . . . M-O-O-N, that spells good night!
Um, O.H.? Hello? I've been around here for years... You think I'm trolling or something?
I blogged on this very same subject earlier today. You are making assumptions that make an ass out of someone, and it ain't me.
The personal attack is totally out of line.
What mag said, way upthread.
Dammit, I want a Democratic House.
I hope Speaker Pelosi's all over this one, too. It can't just be Kerry out there alone.
God, what a nightmare.
A.
Old Hat: the number of amputees from Iraq already outstrips the total who came out of Vietnam.
That's partly because the medics are now better able to save people's lives (cruel though it sounds, losing a leg is better than losing your life, if those are the choices dealt you). But it also creates a huge burden, not only to care for those maimed, but to ensure that others don't suffer the same fate.
You people are overlooking the important thing. The weapons caches were unguarded and subsequently looted, but the oilfields were and are locked down tight.
The world's oil is definitely safer with Saddam in custody.
/Republican
760,000 lbs at 2lbs per IED. 87 attacks a day-that's enough for 4367.8 days or 11.95 years at the current rate.
I heard bush say today that he's "running on his record."
Like he's fucking proud of it.
I'm wondering if the country was safer when this stuff was in Saddam's hands, rather than who the fuck knows who.
Looking forward to the apologists spinning this as Clinton's fault.
This is truly damning.
Bush Cheney 04
"We put the FU in FUBAR"
I am so fucking mad I want to scream. I'm camping out in front of the local paper tomorrow with a sign, "380 tons of RDX missing, WTF?". I will have copies of the article with me and will be raising a stink.
Put these bastards in irons.
Central Scrutinizer -
maybe bush misspoke - he meant "running from his record"
Not only should this fucked up administration take responsibility.
I want to know why our fucking pathetic media, will not take them to task on this.
That is more the reason why no one in the White House will take responsibility for jack shit.
The American Media is too pathetic.
Jackasses, all of them
Speaking of surreal, I saw Jenna and NotJenna at the grocery store tonight.
Seriously. I'm the Wine Buyer at Whole Foods in Arlington, VA and was at the store doing inventory tonight (every four fucking weeks... we're apparently on a lunar financial calendar). When I came downstairs with my backroom countsheets, one of my colleagues said: "Did you see the Bush girls?"
I stepped back and waited for the punchline, but he said: "Look for yourself. There they are in the express line."
And sure enough. There they were, in the express line.
The beer buyer said: "I don't see any Secret Service."
"Try something," I suggested.
Later in the evening someone asked me if I spoke to them. "Hell no," I said. "What would I have said? 'Hope you have a nice move back to Texas'?"
Anyway, it tells you all you need to know about the Bush Twins' value as campaigners that on a Sunday evening a week out from the election they're hanging out at the grocery store. "Keep yourselves occupied, girls... and try not to make any news."
True.
The bastards will probably shrug this off as well
If so, it will only be because their fellow travelers in the media will let them off the hook.
OK, Andrew Sullivan weighs in. Along with more people he respects endorsing getting linked, he does briefly refer to these new events.
He calls it criminal negligence and unforgiveable.
As Bush 41 once joked, guess I'll put you down as undecided.
Central, what truly scares me is that I think he is.
Imagine four more years of stuff he can be proud of. Imagine him claiming any kind of "legacy."
A.
This shows how stupid the puppies ad is. We're supposed to vote for Bush because he can keep us safe, yet he doesn't do the obvious and secure hundreds of tons of high explosive that are now being used to kill our troops on a daily basis???!!!
WTF???
Charlie don't surf said:
'You could see this coming a mile off. Too much focus on nonexistent WMDs, while huge stockpiles plain old bombs and bullets were ignored as no threat.'
Exactly. Talk about a failure of imagination. I remember before the war that there was all this talk about how no one could "imagine" that someone would crash airplanes into buildings. Well, maybe if you spent the 1980's getting your Oliver North books autographed that might be the case. And this is why, in my mind, the "war on terror" is so surreal. Look at Israel. If terrorists were dead-set on using WMDs, they would first appear in Israel. Instead, the Israelis take out bomb-makers who supply suicide bombers. I consider the situation there to be a sort of "gauge" of what sort of terrorism we can expect and what sort of terrorism we ought to look out for. And all the incidents I know about involve very cheap conventional weapons.
Finally, therefore, is a question. Why haven't WMDs been used by terrorists against Israel? Therein lies the key, I think, to deciphering this thing called "terrorism" that our current President claims to be fighting.
JFC. 380 tons (!) of explosives go missing in a country that is on the verge of all out civil war as a result of Bush's pre-emptive invasion and, "It is unclear whether President Bush was informed."
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Well just to get in the spirit, here's a big f*** you to every last one of you f****ers who's less outraged than me. And to those of you more outraged, I'm sure you won't even be reading this because I'm sure you've left your keyboard to go do something about it all, hmmmm.
Old Hat: the number of amputees from Iraq already outstrips the total who came out of Vietnam.
I want the site for this. Not just because I question it-which I do- but also because if it's true, I want to use it on my blog.
thanks.
I have two comments on this:
a) if these are really unusual explosives, the type that you don't usually see, there is a chance that airport screening machines for explosives and bomb sniffing dogs might not even be able to detect them
b)Kerry talked about this in the debates, remember? He kept talking about how the ammo dumps were not guarded and that this is where the explosives came from. So, he must have known about all of this, and yet, the denials were still continuing from the White House. Their chutzpah takes my breath away.
OT Haven't heard anyone mention it, but did anyone watch 60 minutes tonight? I heard that Jon Stewart was supposed to be on talking politics. Just wondered if he ripped anyone a new asshole.
RDX is used in C-4, for example.
It's the 2nd most common high explosive, behind TNT, I believe.
How long has that poodle Tony Blair known about this -- while saying nothing?
Well, his September dossier mentioned all the nasty chemicals that were supposedly being created there. Didn't mention the huge stockpiles of HX.
That said, the Brits never went that far north, and it was never their task to protect the complex. But Blair's probably been keeping his lying mouth shut about it.
We have very reluctantly allowed the IAEA back into Iraq but ONLY to inventory the yellowcake that was dumped out of its barrels. We have prevented them from making any other on-the- ground assessments. Now we know what were we hiding. CNN reported earlier this month that the IAEA has been reduced to satellite imagery and has noted that whole facilities have disappeared.
This should be an enormous story, but I doubt it will be. Just like Cheney and the Rovian right-wing media machine distracted the public from Bush's "not concerned about bin Laden" lie with the Mary Cheney, Mary Cheney soap opera, it will be interesting to see what the Hannitys and Limbaughs and FOX fux come up with to pull the curtain down on this one. It will have to be a lot bigger than the Bulgarian ambassador to the UN.
On the basis of their jaw-dropping ineptitude alone, I can't see how anyone in their right mind, Republican or not, could support these arrogant, incompetent fuck-ups.
The meme surely is:
PANDORA'S BOX.
You think 380 tons of RDX is bad? Well it is. How about 650,000 tons of ammo not secured?
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/6mmxx
The United States, by invading Iraq, has given the terrorists an unlimited supply of weapons.
If you want to visualize 650,000 tons of ammo, think of 2 Queen Mary 2s.
This info has been around for over a year. Our respectful media have not wanted to embarrass the administration by asking about it. Now, with the story of the RDX, maybe the 'rest of the story' will get some attention.
http://tinyurl.com/6mmxx Pass it on.
Red alert on Holloween night? It's almost too wierd- War of the Worlds.
If any of you is under the delusion that this story will be treated with anything other than a cursory observation or will have any impact, you are sadly mistaken. What world have you been living in for the last three years?
The NYT is already softpedaling it and all but ignoring the coverup.
Kerry's not talking to Bulgaria will be a much bigger story.
Trust me, and grow up.
Maybe this is an October Surprise coming back to bite Bush in the ass.
Karl Rove is beatable.
I want the site for this. Not just because I question it-which I do- but also because if it's true, I want to use it on my blog.
Let me x-check it. It was mentioned in a speaking event this week, and, from Googling around, I may have misremembered the exact words, and it might have been 'at this point, compared to Vietnam', which sounds more reasonable.
I've got the video, so I'll be able to confirm and look for online backup.
The popularity of the term IED: Improvised Explosive Device had puzzled me. It was framing. It made Iraqi bombs seem amateurish, non-threatening, lucky.
Now it is obvious that IED are really methodical, effective, and enabled by Tush.
It would be interesting to discover who popularized the term and when they popularized it now that we know why they popularized it.
If John Kerry does not take advantage of the largest media coverage he will get for the rest of the campaign tomorrow in Philly by making this the centerpiece of his speech, then he does not deserve to be President.
Somehow, I think it will come up.
Josh Marshall just posted a dissection of the NYT article on this. It sounds like he's going to post a list of questions reporters should ask in a couple of minutes. He's on fire tonight.
doug r. said:
'760,000 lbs at 2lbs per IED. 87 attacks a day-that's enough for 4367.8 days or 11.95 years at the current rate.'
Don't forget, though, all the looted items like artillery shells, mortars, rocket launchers, ammunition... At one point in time you could get a shoulder-fired missile for about 80 bucks on the black market in Baghdad. The IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices) have used artillery shells wired to detonators, among other things, for their explosive power. The fact that we can now assume these high explosives are added to the mix greatly increases the danger of the situation. They are, sadly, only part of the picture.
I'm wondering if the country was safer when this stuff was in Saddam's hands, rather than who the fuck knows who.
Looking forward to the apologists spinning this as Clinton's fault.
stencil
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The point is this stuff was in the IAEA's hands and the administration refused to let them in after the invasion. The head of the IAEA is Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei /sounds Arab doncha think?
Sane world = landslide
Jon Stewart was good on 60 Minutes. Nothing new, really. Steve Kroft/Croft was annoying and cloying. They made sure to show the exact same number of anti-Kerry and anti-Bush clips from past TDS episodes, which was hysterical to watch. They probably made sure the clips lasted the exact same amount of time, too. "Must be evenhanded..."
I may have misremembered the exact words, and it might have been 'at this point, compared to Vietnam', which sounds more reasonable.
Agreed.
I've got the video, so I'll be able to confirm and look for online backup.
That's very kind. Thanks.
What the hell are you talking about, SteveLG?
If any of you is under the delusion that this story will be treated with anything other than a cursory observation or will have any impact, you are sadly mistaken.
Bullshit, Kerry, Edwards and Clinton all are going to hammer this story until it leads every newscast tomorrow.
don't anybody go holding your breath on this being huge news.
remember: the media is a right-wing tool, owned and directed and managed by their corporate masters at the behest of their political cronies and benefactors.
as bartcop always says, they want their tax cuts (or in most cases, they don't pay a fucking thing and get huge "refunds" back, thanks to you and me).
i can guarantee the egg-masturbator hat-boy drudge bullshit story of kerry "misidentifying" with whom he spoke at the UN will be the lead and this shit will be page A16.
of course, i could be wrong.
Just because Josh has questions that should be asked, doesn't mean that any of the so-called journalists that make up the White House press pool (other than Helen Thomas, but she is ignored by Scotty-Potty), will ask anything even remotely appropriate to the seriousness of the issue.
I suspect that it will be Les Kingsolving who asks that toughest question on that subject.
All while fellating Scotty-potty under the podium
From the NY Times: "The bomb that brought down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988 used less than a pound of the material of the type stolen from Al Qaqaa, and somewhat larger amounts were apparently used in the bombing of a housing complex in November 2003 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and the blasts in a Moscow apartment complex in September 1999 that killed nearly 300 people."
Look at it a slightly more elevated way...
They were after WMD's
They missed the conventionals in Iraq.
Let N. Korea go completely sour
Pissed off but ignored Iran
And Osama's crew is now a planetary issue in lieu of an isolated one.
For the want of the nail...
To US Voters:
If by Nov 02 evening, you all don't vote that pathetic bastard Bush out, I will be forced to take things in my own zillion hands and it's gonna hurt a lot.
GOD
P.S. I admit to my mistake of letting these neocon thugs live and after the election I've got to fire a few idiots up here. I will design a new hell with lots of hard working and burning woods in the internets.
Bullshit, Kerry, Edwards and Clinton all are going to hammer this story until it leads every newscast tomorrow.
I hope, but more importantly, can they crank out a 30 second spot to hit the swing states and really drive the point home.
On this score, they don't seem to do as well, but in STL, I just may not see them.
I can wright my own Best of the Web for this one:
See, there were weapons. The war was justified. The French looking Democrat who by the way served in Vietnam, is doomed!
Ok.
If this outspins us, it is OUR FAULT.
We have to hit the media hard.
Hit the media now.
and make the obvious points that the NYT article does not make.
They are using this stuff against us now.
It is Bush's fault for not sending more troops because they apparently did not have enough forces to cover this vital ammo dump.
The administration has tried to keep this from us for a year.
They have tried to suppress the reports now.
This is serious, serious, serious, serious stuf.
If the media screws this up, it's their fault too.
and the strongest point...
7. This is direct and irrefutable evidence that the invasion of Iraq has now made us LESS SAFER FROM TERRORISTS.
I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings.
a) if these are really unusual explosives, the type that you don't usually see, there is a chance that airport screening machines for explosives and bomb sniffing dogs might not even be able to detect them
No, they're detectable. You'll see similar kit in most airports. But they're only detectable if they're screened. And the lack of screening is one of Kerry's big talking points. The Lockerbie bomb got through in checked luggage (somewhere).
John, ANFO would be the most common high explosive, wouldn't it? That's what's used in most mining, road construction, etc. RDX (in C4) is the most common military explosive, but you need an end user certificate to buy it.
And yes I know what kilo- and megaton mean, that's why I made the comparison that I did.
A lot of this, from the looting to not getting Bin Laden to not being able to secure the oil pipelines, is the direct result of Rumsfeld and the neocons' foolish ideology that we can get away with using only 20% the number of troops we needed in the past, because these are supertroopers or something. If we had the right number of troops we wouldn't have had problems with looted RDX, looted merchandise, looted yellowcake, attacks on the green zone, blown up water, electricity, oil facilities, etc., etc., etc...
I have a question for reporters to ask to the Bush administration:
"You continually assert that the U.N. inspections process didn't work. However, the U.N. had consistently better intelligence on Iraq's WMD programs than U.S. intelligence agencies and successfully disarmed Saddam Hussein. How, therefore, was the U.N. failing to address the threat posed by Hussein?"
Bullshit, Kerry, Edwards and Clinton all are going to hammer this story until it leads every newscast tomorrow.
And most of the media will continue to dutifully parrot the White House's vague non-denial denials, because their guiding question is not "is the story true?" but rather "how can we give both political parties equal weight so as not to appear biased?"
Just checked out some posts on this story by the Freepers..............as can be expected the Retardicans didnt actually read the story and are saying it proves Sadaam had WMDs
What the hell are you talking about, SteveLG?
About seeing the Bush Twins in line at the (upscale) grocery store where I'm the wine buyer. Simple as that.
It's not really all that surprising, since we're about half a block from IOTA , the club where they tried to use false IDs a couple of years back.
Bush is in DEEP QAQAA!
Bush is in DEEP QAQAA!
Any further word on the unsubstantiated
comment that in addition 20,000 rockets
were also missing?
Are they talking RPG's or something a bit bigger by the way?
Don't fret, Homer .. it hasn't sunk in yet and they aren't talking about it on FAUX news yet -- they're all sharpening their swords for Bubba's resurrection tomorrow.
by the way ... about Bubba .. I wonder if the deal behind the scenes was to kick Daschle to the curb and supplant him with Hillary as Dem leader in the Senate? and Bubba wouldn't make an appearance this late if there wasn't something at stake and the dem challenger didn't look like a winner ... this much I know about the grand bubba; he knows what lights shine brightest and he surrounds himself with them
Btw, RDX is white powder, and HMX is white crystalline stuff. Looks like the search teams tested it, found out it 'wasn't' WMDs, and left it.
Homer_J
They have painted themselves into a corner. If the neo-cons say the explosives prove that Iraq had WMDs and are now missing, what it really proves is that Bush is outrageously incompetent since the weapons disappeared under the US watch.
Asscroft will be knockin' on my door tomorow over my search for this info:
TNT: 2.76 Mpsi @ 7197 m/sec velocity
RDX: 5.03 Mpsi @ 8754 m/sec velocity
HMX: 5.70 Mpsi @ 9159 m/sec velocity
9159 m/sec is about 20,500 miles per hour.
have a feeling that this stuff has been sent to other areas of operations. This is thing. Why do the terrorist have to strike in Iraq? They will because that is where our troops are and it easy to kill Americans there. They have an international network that hasn't even been stretched. Some of these explosives have been taken out of country and sent to other areas of the world. This is enough high explosives to supply the terrorist needs for the next ten years. They will hit world wide with this stuff, even here in the good old U.S. of A. and President Bush let them do it right before his eyes. He could have put a guard on this from day one, but just like at that school in Florida on 911 he didn't take action.
Considering how this administration can't shoot straight for anything, we have firm candidates for who is leaving puddles under the White House urinals...
Isn't it funny how there are no trolls talking about this issue?
The troll college probably didn't have a course in how to defend Bush against truthful accusations that he has indeed made this world into a much more dangerous place.
I lost one relative on 9/11/01. I wonder how many more I will lose before this is over? We have to get Kerry in and some real, adult foreign policy and diplomacy going, also better military policies.
If I am reading this correctly, and I like to think I am, Zarqawi probably has his hands on this stuff and has joined up with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to fight Coalition forces stationed in Iraq. I again ask, "how is George Bush doing a stellar job in protecting the United States?"
Well, we need to start telling the world how much this matters. This is 760,000 pounds of explosives. It's enough to make hundreds of thousands of IEDs, suicide bombs, and other wonderful things. You could put enough of this stuff in a minivan to make a bigger explosion than the OKC bombing, which used ANFO, which is less than a third as powerful. Repeat after me, enough explosives to blow up the tallest hundred buildings in the world and still have enough left for thousands of suicide attacks. Now, what the fuck were they thinking!?
'I hope, but more importantly, can they crank out a 30 second spot to hit the swing states and really drive the point home.'
Oh, this should be a cakewalk. From the oh-so-quotable Rumsfeld:
'"The images you are seeing on television, you are seeing over and over and over," he complained. "It's the same picture of some person walking out of some building with a vase and you see it twenty times. And you think, my goodness, were there that many vases?"'
'After pausing for laughter, Rumsfeld delivered the punch line: "Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?"'
. . .
'"Stuff happens," Rumsfeld told a Pentagon news briefing on April 11, when asked about widespread looting in Baghdad.'
'"But," he continued, "it is a fundamental misunderstanding to see those images over and over and over again of some boy walking out with a vase and say, 'Oh, my goodness, you didn't have a plan.' That's nonsense."'
'Two days later, faced with overwhelming proof of mayhem in Baghdad, Rumsfeld again disavowed responsibility for the looters' rampage.'
'When the interviewer pointed out that Iraqi museum officials claimed that they had asked the U.S. military to protect the museum, and that the military had refused, Rumsfeld responded: "Oh, my goodness. Look, I have no idea."'
'Looting, he concluded "isn't something that someone allows or doesn't allow. It's something that happens."'
If "less than a pound" can scatter a Boeing 747 over who-knows how many square miles, I'm assuming a few ounces could still probably bring a jetliner down.
I'm thinking a (slightly smarter) shoe-bomber . . . or something the size of a digital camera
AND we're not checking the cargo holds.
Somehow, "shaking mad" seems like the most appropriate response.
Of course it'll be a place full of regular folks, not Bush or Cheney.
Someone looted Bush and Rumsfeld's brain -
Don: just checked the video. Your gut was right. My memory was wrong.
The exact quote: 'There are now more amputees coming back from Iraq than through much of the early stages of the Vietnam War.'
So the chonology's vague, but I think the comparison's to 1965-66, pre Tet.
This proves Iraq had WMD? Seriously? Are people really that ignorant? Or just intellectually dishonest?
What it proves is that the IAEA had kept an eye on this stuff, had it under surveillance, knew where it was and how much was there, etc. And then Bush lost it. And now no one knows where it is.
How can anyone believe that they're "safer from terrorists" with this incompetent bunch running things?
Can they take the finger prints of the explosives and check them against other known explosives or explosions?
If they can, it would be interesting to
see where they show up.
How can anyone in good conscience vote for these people? THe terrorist can use this stockpile for at least 5 years blowing up everything in sight.
Late August, I returned to the US from a trip abroad, in first class - I was given metal silverware, two knives and two forks for the same meal. I guess the airline figures that terrorists can't afford to fly in first class. So much for security.
Carry on, good night.
From the camp, soldiers captured handwritten pages from lined notebooks showing diagrams to make bombs and grenades. The papers, seen by The Times, bear the slogan "Either victory or martyrdom." They state that C-4 should be "mixed with RDX, half put into a can of [gasoline], and close it carefully." C-4 and RDX are plastic explosives.
From the Washington Times, of all places.
I say we go and kick the following people's asses:
Ceci Connolly
Elizabeth Bumiller
Thomas Friedman
The Republican Party
The hosts of Fox and Friends
Katherine Harris
This people stuck us with the most incompetent set of dildos in the world and now my grandchildren may pay the price for their stupidity.Perhaps "because he was a bad guy" isn't a sound war plan, Mr. Friedman. I swear if any of these people cross my path someone is going to be hurt...badly!
'"Stuff happens," Rumsfeld told a Pentagon news briefing on April 11, when asked about widespread looting in Baghdad.'
Wow... I'm re-posting this because it so succinctly sums up (despite Rumsfeld's attempts to show otherwise) the administration's theory of everything. Stuff happens, and you react to it based on your ideological beliefs, and that's all you can do. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong... [outrage meter pinned]
we are in deep qaqaa.
Let's get to work, people. Tomorrow morning we begin Operation: Trim the Shrub. This cannot be allowed to pass without question.
'I hope, but more importantly, can they crank out a 30 second spot to hit the swing states and really drive the point home.'
Remember the Fahrenheit 911 trailer, where the bomb goes off next to a palm tree, behind a US soldier? That's probably made from the shit that got looted right across Iraq.
Oh, and there was an RDX/HMX plant outside Fallujah, too.
Magnum,
Oops, totally fogot about ANFO, getting late here and I'm tired. You're correct. 
oh, and syntallic...
I think you misunderstand what's at stake here. It's not Hillary for Majority Leader, or Hillary in '08, it's the fucking future of the USA. Bill recognizes that as any reasonably intelligent citizen does. The best, nay, ONLY chance America has is to get Bush and the whole fucking pack of neocon cronies out of office as fast as possible. Bill stumping for Kerry measurably increases the likelihood of that, so he's going.
Nice to see an honorable President again.
We're in deep Qaqaa!
Over a fucking blow job. Add Linda Tripp, Matt Drudge and Lucianne Goldberg to my shit list.
As someone posted on Kos: This shows that the UN kept us safer even with Saddam in power than the Bush administration can keep us with Saddam out of power.
If this was Rove's idea of a "October Surpise" I love it. Keep 'em coming, Karl!
Democrats don't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning back The House.
like Jon Stewart said tonight.
Only 1 official "gate" in the past 4 years...
"Rathergate".
This needs a gate...
any ideas?
Mine are:
QaQaaGate
bombgate
explodinggate
Bushgate
Rummmygate
coverupgate
CYAgate
That's a lot of bombs. Where will they get 760,000 blasting caps? Might not be a weapon of mass destruction but that's one mass of weapons.
The Al Qaqaa team was also responsible for developing and producing plane wave lenses During 1990, the team produced lenses with various diameters (up to 120 mm) and lengths. These lenses were tested or used as plane wave generators for shock-wave experiments. Iraq also started working on spherical lenses as early as 1988, and experimented with various kinds of explosives, including Baratol, PETN, COM-B, TNT, RDX and HMX. Iraq revealed to IAEA-4 that hundreds of tons of HMX had been imported, and that Iraq had gained "considerable experience in casting such material." The HMX was used to make improved explosive lenses for the Iraqi bomb. The Al Qaqaa team also mastered the design of dedicated exploding bridge wire (EBW) detonators, after experimenting with several types. In fact, the U.S. Departments of Defense and Energy helped train three Iraqi scientists from Al Qaqaa at a quadrennial international detonation conference in Portland, Oregon, where nuclear weapon detonation technology and flyer plate technology were presented. The latter is used to control the force and shape of implosive shock waves.
From IAEA-Jan 2003
More recently, UN inspectors have learned that Iraq's first bomb design, which weighed a ton and was a full meter in diameter, was replaced by a smaller, more efficient model. From discussions with the Iraqis, the inspectors have deduced that the new design weighs only about 600 kilograms and measures only 600 to 650 millimeters in diameter. That makes it small enough to fit on Iraq's Scud-type missiles, some of which are still unaccounted for. Iraq has mastered the key technique of creating an implosive shock wave, which squeezes a bomb's nuclear material enough to trigger a chain reaction. The new Iraqi design also uses a "flying tamper," a refinement that "hammers" the nuclear material to squeeze it even harder, so that bombs can be made smaller without diminishing their explosive force. The inspectors have determined that Iraq now has a successful bomb design and lacks only the material to fuel it.
Cont'd IAEA report January 2003.
Hour & a half into a thread about something both real, important, and bad news for Booosh, and where is Joe Broz? Joey! Wheeeeeeeeet! Here boy?
Now, wherever can he be?
Now, wherever can he be?
Pissing his pants just like Bush is right now.
OT - MPs kept unofficial log at Abu Ghraib.
WaPo
"A copy of the log was obtained by The Washington Post."
Around the turn and into the final stretch we go.
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As a parent I feel incredibly helpless because I may not be able to protect my child from this insanity caused by Bush's need to feel macho. We've given mad men all they need to destroy us and there is nothing I feel I can do.
380 T = 3% of Little Boy
Sorry, John, I love Bubba for sure, but he's a master politician who is playing the long game with his stumping for Kerry -- and Big John got a second campaign stop which means something is at stake -- i am not complaining, mind you, I am just openly wondering what is at stake downstream -- and if it's hillary as majority leader, what a bonus baby this is .. cuz no one pisses off rethugs like hillary and she is one tough character, which will make the senate more and more fun to watch
Does anyone think Clinton would accept the U.N. ambassador slot if offered?
I hope the info I posted above is not too technical. But kind of gives you an idea, what our government knew about this site before we went in. Tells us that the incompetence of this administration and the DOD. This is unfathomable.
Kaboomgate?
Monica A
He would definitely accept it. Clinton out of the lime light, No way! This would be a plus for Kerry and a win for world relations.
It's hard not to break into tears over this mess.HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN??? Bush has to go...I MEAN HE HAS TO GO! All his words of " protecting us" is just pure bullshit.
The explosives are coming from 155mm artillery shells, you bozo. Try reading a newspaper sometime.
We have to do something and fast or we are all fucked without KY. We need Clinton to get our friends back. Kerry will be an awesome President, but we need Clinton to help put out some fires in the beginning.
Is this the "Surprise"?
Think a couple of moves ahead. The administration lets everyone in the world froth at the mouth about this for a few days, and then produces these explosives. They then say:
"They are not lost, they are right here (roll video) We had these the whole time, we were using them in a top secret strategy to trap terrorists, by offering these explosives through black market channels. These reports have compromised that strategy. Only those at the highest levels of the administration knew of this, low level people were used to promote the idea that we had "lost" these explosives. Now this operation has been compromised, in large part due to the Democrats rushing to make this a political issue. We will keep you safe, but the Democrats sure are making it difficult."
I am voting for Kerry either way!
380 tons is almost half a kiloton. The bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki were of the order of 10 kilotons.
Magnum A ton of TNT aint nothing to a ton of this shit.
So let's see. Capturing Saddam was worth a 10 point boost in warpreznit's approval. Shrub declares "we acted and the american people are SAFER". So how safe will americans feel when they wake up tomorrow and learn that because "we acted" there's a kiloton of high explosives floating around the middle east. And will shrub's approval drop 2 percent? Nah, cause Saddam and his collection of Sinatra tapes, that was the real threat. Idjits.
And I'm nominating Jamie Rubin as Secretary of State. If not Rubin, then definitely Biden (whom I was thinking more as Chief of Staff.)
Does anyone think Clinton would accept the U.N. ambassador slot if offered?
In a New York minute.
The explosives are coming from 155mm artillery shells, you bozo. Try reading a newspaper sometime.
A newspaper like the New York Times, which is leading with an article about the bombs being made out of the 380 tons of high explosive DOD failed to secure?
You're a worthless, lying piece of shit, hat.
I wonder if this week with be a "quintuple hit" week. This story breaks tomorrow, the video tape of Abu Ghraib breaks next, Israel's plans to bomb Iran leaks next, Plame after that. Something along those lines.
It's going to be a bad week for Bush.
were-getting-blownup-gate?
Wasn't Sanchez the head honcho in Iraq when all of this happened? Or was it the "my god's bigger than your god, idiot"? Still a question: Why does the administration think Sanchez deserves a fourth star? Abu Grahib, Missing tons of explosives, increased insurgency and Sanchez deseves a promotion? The mind boggles.
The Master Narrative only allows military figures at the rank of Brigadier General or lower, or civilians at the rank of Assistant Secretary or lower, to fuck up.
The President, as President, is Constitutionally protected from a fuck-up.
The scapegoat selection committees have already met, the selections have already been named.
The victims will be fed to the press on Wednesday. The press, if it bothers to cover the story at all, will, like an anaconda, swallow the scapegoats whole and sleep for a month.
Remind me again: who lost their job over Abu Ghraib?
Biden maybe perfect for the NSA or CIA. Wes Clark would be a great at the DOD. We just need people are respected at home and in the world as well.
HMX is primarily rocket propellant/missile explosive. It's for warheads. RDX is also for rockets, but it's much easier to use in IEDs, and there are plenty of instruction books across the Middle East explaining how.
Is this the "Surprise"?
Think a couple of moves ahead. The administration lets everyone in the world froth at the mouth about this for a few days, and then produces these explosives. They then say:
"They are not lost, they are right here (roll video) We had these the whole time, we were using them in a top secret strategy to trap terrorists, by offering these explosives through black market channels."
Er, no.
Here, news is not a "surprise" or "non surprise" binary. Please stop thinking everything is a "surprise." OK? Please? Get over the "surprise" aspect of this race. It's all hype. OK?
Joe Lockhart as Chief of Staff. Much better fit.
This failure by the regime is alarming. It is hard to get one's mind around such a perfect blend of incompetence and corruption. The credibility gap is too wide, too deep.
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a quadrennial international detonation conference in Portland, Oregon
WTF?
In other news... are you f*cking serious!? They let people loot this facility!? WTF!!?
If chimpy wins, I sincerely hope someone sets off a device with this material in Crawford - while he's there!
Just to rub salt into the wounds a little bit more, Hillary Clinton as a Supreme Court justice.
Oh, and hat-the-twat: you're peddling out of date material. Sorry.
(And RDX is what was used in Moscow, Bali, and Lockerbie.)
FUCK!!!!!!!!!
This is the worst news I have heard in a while, and the dily missives from Iraq have hardened my skin a great deal.
OK, my initial question is: did Sadaam buy this shit from Cheney?
Quadrennial: Every 4 years.
Detonation conference: where one goes to talk about Things That Go Boom.
Explosives aren't just for military use. Heck, they're not even PRIMARILY for military use.
Josh Marshall: NYT article has been revised and expanded.
It's going to be a bad week for Bush.
Old Hat
I just hope he doesn't turn it into a bad week for the rest of us, too. And he'll do it, too, if he can find a way. My tinfoil hat is hiding under the bed already...
chica toxica, good question. There has to be a way to find out if these came from Cheney.
The Federalist went out of existence. The Whigs went out of existence. Will the Bush Administration be the reason that the Republicans go out of existence? The Democratic Party survived them all.
Monica A
Boggles the mind doesn't it. If the premise for going into IRAQ was WMD
then the obvious conclusion would be to secure the sites that you believe may contain dangerous material.
It just proves the point, (I believe) that the purpose was never about WMD and our safety.
The fact that this site was not secured, tells us that it was never a priority of our govt.
Josh Marshall: NYT article has been revised and expanded.
Did anyone grab the original, so we can see what's been changed and added?
Wes Clark would be a great at the DOD.
But can't be. Not retired long enough. (You have to be out ten years.)
Holbrooke for State, with Rubin as deputy. Biden's too much of a blowhard, which makes him great for the Senate, but not so good on the international stage. If the Dems take the Senate, he'll be a great chair for the ForRel Committee.
On November 2, 2000, the Supreme Court of the Unites States took a crap and forgot to flush. A big fat greasy log named Bush has been stinking up the joint for almost 4 years. On November 2, 2004, Americans are finally gonna get to pull that handle, and send the turd back to Texas. YEEEEEEHAAAAWWW!!!
KERRY & EDWARDS IN A FUCKING TSUNAMI, MY BITCHES!!!
Big Dog can't be UN Sec Gen. According to Holbrooke, the Sec Gen has never been from one of the Permanent Security Council countries.
Anon in NC
I didn't know that you had to be retired for 10 years. Bummer! I thought he would make a great DOD
as well.
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Neither Yahoo! nor Google has picked up the story yet.
Oh, and btw - quit fighting each other... save the rage for bushco.
Yes, the word Al QaQaa seems funny, yes - this is f*cking disaster. The whole f*cking country is a F*cking Disaster of epic proportions right now (don't know which one I mean? GOOD - now you get my f*cking point!)
Use it to work harder - for the assistance some of us are going to need to even vote, and for the money to buy tickets to the event where we string his ass up and the rest of his shit crew.
Look me up - I'll be the one in the front row frothing at the G.D. mouth!!!!
well, aWol has now secured his legacy:
terror without end.
Amen
I hope these explosives have a specific signature so that they can be found, and so that if they are used in any attack the relatives of the victims know exactly whos ass they need to kick.
Bend over, George, an angry world awaits your ass.
Fucker.
380 tons = 760,000 lbs.
Or worse yet:
760,000 lbs = roughly 344,730,201,200, 000,064,960,040,264,184,760 yoctograms!
buy tickets to the event where we string his ass up and the rest of his shit crew.
Mike,
Are you refering to the Colorado Springs 2005 war crimes trials?
http://www.coloradosprings2005.com/
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Anyone remember the case against former CIA agent Ed Wilson? He went to jail for selling 20 tons of plastic explosives to Libya in the late 70's. He claimed to be on the CIA payroll at the time; his boss would have been a fellow by the name of George Bush (Dubya's dad). It was Wilson's explosives that were most likely used in the Lockerbie bombing.
There are all kinds of scary Bush connections to this case - Wilson shipped his materials right out of the Houston International Airport. He lunched with Ted Shackley, a CIA employee and Bush friend. He did some work with Dick Secord, too, another Bush crony.
Now it looks like Junior has one-upped dad again; he's managed to get more than 20 times what Wilson shipped into the hands of bad guys.
Why was the Iraq weapons dump looted?
Because he wouldn't let the inspectors in.
Who wouldn't let the inspectors in?
GEORGE BUSH!!!!
where is Joe Broz?
He broke his neck trying too hard to suck his own dick.
So...what are the bets? Will they go for dozen of enormous explosions, hundreds of little ones, or a bit of both?
TPM has a brand new post up, a list of questions.
Newspapers are going to be feasting on this story all week...
Hey hat, eat shit:
This evening's Nelson Report contains the following passage ...
That last, rueful crack refers to efforts by DOD to create the impression that the road side bombs are made from captured artillery shells; our sources say, “this is very unlikely. Taking a shell apart is incredibly dangerous and difficult, it has to be done by real experts, and we’d have seen more ‘accidental explosions’ if they were doing this on any scale. No...it’s the RDX and HMX doing most of the damage, you can bet on it.”
Big Dog can't be UN Sec Gen. According to Holbrooke, the Sec Gen has never been from one of the Permanent Security Council countries.
True. Though I don't think it's a binding rule, just a tradition of ensuring balance. And in practical terms, since any SC permanent member can veto an appointment...
But besides all that, the Big Dog has a problem dating back to the mess over the 1996 re-election campaign of Boutros Boutros-Ghali...
Question for those who are more aware of strategy/needs etc in terms of the terrorists (I mean, it is all about knowing your enemy, right?). Assume one group (Zarqawi (sic), Al Queda (sic), Iraqis, et. al.) obtained this material. Isn't it probable that they will sell off fractions for cash (if they haven't already) and plan attacks with the other portion? Which group is most likely to have stolen it? Should we expect to see increased attacks in the nearby countries (i.e. Iran or others)? So many awful things could happen and I just keep thinking about 95% of port containers...
God this pisses me off. Even if they knew all along, I see them more concerned with cover up than security.
Lisa said:
Geez, Old Hat. That was truly nasty and uncalled for. I'm not a bad guy here. Get off my case. We can't all be feeling outraged at the same time. Rude and uncalled for.
Lisa, a few ounces of RDX is enough to blow up Humvees, Trucks or buildings.
Minimizing the outrage that everybody should feel when we have lost well over a thousand lives and near 10,000 wounded, many with lost limbs, is what is totally inappropriate. You should be ashamed of yourself.
If you're not outraged, keep your opinion to yourself. I wouldn't want people saying don't be outraged over the loss of the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, and I don't want your crap either.
Old Hat is a respected and valued contributor here.
Which group is most likely to have stolen it?
Ex-Baathist officers who knew where all this shit was, who then turned it over to their cells/tribesmen, who then sold it or traded it to Islamists, who then sold it or traded it to...?
Who knows where this stuff is?
Since these people aren't exactly using credit cards, we can't trace the transactions. But my money is on ex-Baathists looting the lion's share of these explosives. It sounds like it was a sophisticated looting operation from what I've read on Talking Points Memo. They needed heavy hardware to cart it off.
The worst thing about this is not only are they incompetent assholes, they've been lying about it and covering up their incompetence.
I'm taking a day off tomorrow, and I'm going to spend all day bugging the news outlets to cover this fucking story. All fucking day.
It was Wilson's explosives that were most likely used in the Lockerbie bombing.
I don't buy the Libyan connection. I still think it was the PFLP-GC, out of Syria, and the investigation was shut down by Daddy Bush in order to get the Syrians on board for Desert Storm.
What should piss you off even more, is the fact that the majority of shit obtained by Iraq, was due to 2 former presidents George Bush-41 and Ronald Reagan.
1982 -- Department removed Iraq from list of countries sponsoring terrorism.
1983 -- Reagan Secretary of State George Shultz (See Bechtel) successfully lobbied Commerce Department to approve sale of helicopters to Iraq. State Department begins receiving reports of chemical-weapons use by Iraqi military.
1984 -- Schultz persuaded Representative Howard Berman (D-Los Angeles) to drop his bill returning Iraq to list of countries sponsoring terrorism.
1984 -- Diplomatic relations reestablished with Iraq.
1986 -- Reagan sent secret message to Saddam Hussein, advising him to step up his air war on Iran. Message delivered to Hussein through Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak by Vice President George Bush.
1988 -- At the U.N., Schultz downplayed Iraq's use of chemical weapons on Kurds.
1989 -- Department supplied visas for three Iraqi nuclear scientists to attend an international detonation conference in Portland, Oregon. This conference discussed nuclear-weapons technology and flyer-plate technology used to control the force and shape of implosive shock waves.
1989 -- Secretary of State James Baker received memo informing him that Iraq was aggressively developing chemical-, biological- and new missile-weapons programs.
1990 -- Bush administration approved $4.8 million in sales of advanced technology to Iraq's Ministry of Industry and Military Industrialization. MIMI was responsible for Iraq's nuclear-, missile and chemical-weapons program
1982 -- President Ronald Reagan ordered department to provide Iraq with intelligence information, advice and hardware.
1983 -- Private citizen Donald Rumsfeld (currently the secretary of defense) was dispatched to Iraq as the personal envoy of President Reagan. Met with Saddam Hussein and pledged support for regime. Rumsfeld's trip occurred as U.S. was receiving reports of chemical-weapons use by Iraq. Rumsfeld also carried with him a secret offer of help to Iraq from then-Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir.
During both the Reagan administration and the first Bush administration (prior to the invasion of Kuwait), the department supported export licenses transferring weapons technology and weapons materials to Iraq.
Pisses you off doesn't it, Rummy trying to protect us from something he originally created.
The Clinton/U.N. thing is obviously some sort of bizarre Moonie Times rumor, right? I don't think there's anything behind it...
350 tons... this is it, this has to be the end to any claim these incompetent fundamentalist greedballs can have to protecting us at home and supporting the troops in Iraq.
Please, all good Gods of America, help us get these people out of office and up on charges, our nation cannot survive another 4 years of this.
Rumsfeld should face charges immediately. Resigning is not enough.
John G
The Clinton/UN thing was reported on
one of the major news channels, but I am not sure which one it was.
meme -- Don't you mean, "Rummy pretending to try to protect us from something he originally created."?
Bush NEVER makes mistakes because he NEVER takes RESPONSIBILITY!!!
This really is a 'faith based pResidency'. Insanity and absurdity rolled into one big sloppy Iraqi mess.
Save this country! Vote Kerry... early and often.
well, this does explain to me why Bush/Cheney (Smirky/Snarly) have been pushing the "be afraid, be very afraid" meme in the last weeks: they know full well the capability ofthe terrorists BECAUSE THEY HAVE ARMED THEM.
What remains a mystery, however, is why Smirky/Snarly don't fold like a house of cards in front of the overwhelming evidence of their incompetence and ask for some adults to take over.
Trust me, Rumsfeld will get a promotion out of this fuck up.
This is silly. The real story is thousands of times worse. Last estimate I saw, there were at least a million tonnes of explosives and ammo loose in Iraq - a measely 350 tons is a drop in the bucket. The Iraqis have enough explosives to continue the current level of insurgency for millenia.
RDX isn't rare or all that special: around 1.75 times more powerful than TNT.
Most IEDS are 155 millimeter shells. The truck bomb that took out the UN headquarters in Baghdad was a mix, with a 500-lb bomb as centerpiece Made fresh from RDX? No - why bother?
Boy, hardly any of you people know what you're talking about. But at least you hate Bush, and that makes up for a lot. Can one lb of RDX take out a plane? possible: might take two pounds of TNT.
By the way, anyone hear ever heard of the Crater, or Messines Ridge?
Lefty loosey
Definitely! I know they didn't go in for WMD, but I don't know what the real purpose was here.
neoconservative pressure?
Oil/Money profits?
Diversion from not capturing Bin Laden?
all of the above
want to add a few
Most IEDS are 155 millimeter shells.
Take that one up with the people who spoke to Chris Nelson.
Most IEDS are 155 millimeter shells. The truck bomb that took out the UN headquarters in Baghdad was a mix, with a 500-lb bomb as centerpiece Made fresh from RDX? No - why bother?
Listen up, fucktard:
This evening's Nelson Report contains the following passage ...
That last, rueful crack refers to efforts by DOD to create the impression that the road side bombs are made from captured artillery shells; our sources say, “this is very unlikely. Taking a shell apart is incredibly dangerous and difficult, it has to be done by real experts, and we’d have seen more ‘accidental explosions’ if they were doing this on any scale. No...it’s the RDX and HMX doing most of the damage, you can bet on it.”
Boy, hardly any of you people know what you're talking about.
Guess what, chunky? Neither do you. Spending all day jerking off to Tom Clancy and playing Rainbow Six on your fudge-smeared XBox doesn't make you a military veteran, which you are not.
Trust me, Rumsfeld will get a promotion out of this fuck up.
Yeah, no matter what happens in the middle of Nov (when all the votes are finally counted), Runny will be fine. Fox has made a superstar of him - he'll live comfortably as a "correspondent" until he takes his rightful place at the left hand of his master.
I'm so damn pissed, I want to create a couple of freeway blog signs tomorrow. I can get some heavy cardboard - 4ftx8ft - and have a tracing projector.
The thing I don't have is a pithy 6-8 word message that will hit people in the gut as they whiz by in their suvs and F350s at 70mph.
And with 350 tons of explosives loose, I'd like to make at least of those signs about this. I hadn't planned to do this, I'm more of a ordinary envelope-stuffer and little old lady driver on election day kinda of old patriotic Democratic fogey, having spent more than enough time on the streets dodging police batons choking on tear gas and chanting outside the White House in my well-spent youth.
So, please, I know it's late, but if there's a few bright ideas out there about slogans for signs, I'll stay up and look for replies for a while.
If any of the young ones I know who are in or are going to Iraq loses an arm or leg or eye due an IDE.... how can I curse these evil creatures enough?
oops-added an e in your name-forgive me
here's a photo of bush looking for the tons of high explosives:
It doesn't say it all but its pretty close
Reporters have to take airplanes all the time. So do diplomats and politicians and businessmen. All of 'em are more at risk of being blown out of the sky thanks to BushCo's incompetence.
So if not now, when does the urge towards self-preservation start overpowering corporatist Bush-worship?
Schwartz
Just looking at him in that uniform
gives me the creeps.
Come to think of it, what was the name of that Senator, that took off
from Washington DC because he wanted to protect his family. You think he
had read in the report-all the dangerous material that is missing?
Mark Dayton
Everyone:
Keep your eye on Hawaii.
We're even or worse with Bush there.
We cannot take the eye off the 50th state. We need hawaii.
Send Elvis. Send Edwards. Hell, send Kerry.
Don't lose Hawaii.
I wonder if this week with be a "quintuple hit" week. This story breaks tomorrow, the video tape of Abu Ghraib breaks next, Israel's plans to bomb Iran leaks next, Plame after that. Something along those lines.
It's going to be a bad week for Bush.
Old Hat
Not to think negative here, but:
An eighth of all this crap, in another era, would have brought down ANY president, pre-election. So if Bush should pull this whole thing off... and when the narrowest margin of minority voters gets a whiff of the latest load of Bush scandals, on top of the last 4 years... what kind of a nation will we be living in, when half the damn country is seething with rage at a criminal, fascist administration that just got a license to dictate?
I predict many impolite and most foul disruptions of The American Dream. Therefore, it is my considered opinion that we'd better score by more than just the free shot, kiddies.
(p.s. to old hat... I haven't really been following the feud with Lisa, and I don't even want the details, But, you want my advice? We all need to feed off each other, for at least another week, if sanity is to prevail. Save the murder in your heart for Judge Rove.)
Thanks Anon
Wouldn't it be something if he was just um, monkeying around with those covered lensed binocs?
No worries, meme, shite happens.
Ferris: Elvis has-- er, never mind...
Elvis is Big Dog.
That how revolutions begin
Comprende?
NMRed,
How about:
"Bush lost 380 tons of explosives in Iraq!!"
If people see that on a freeway, and then see the news, it should sink in. Bush = Explosives.
Don't lose Hawaii. Take it seriously.
lefty loosy
Cute! I like you sense of humor-and
we certainly could use a lot more it.
Don't lose Hawaii. Take it seriously.
That poll oversamples Rs by a margin of 10%. HI is safe
O'kay-what is the latest numbers from Hawaii. I know the news tried to get everyone all paranoid about PA.
But it just isn't going to happen.
ANFO would be the most common high explosive
ANFO isn't considered a high explosive.
The difference is in the speed of the explosion. The reason it's used in mining is because it has a slower reaction rate, producing gas and shockwaves that shove rather than shatter.
In most mines, high explosive sticks or gel packs are fired which shatters the rock and detonates the ANFO. The ANFO than pushes the shattered rock outward.
(I've loaded explosives, and was in training to be a military combat engineering officer, so I tend to care about the differences.)
The shattering effect is what makes RDX and such so deadly. A barrel containing a small amount of ANFO and detonated will tend to rupture and separate into large chunks. If the pressure wave doesn't get you, you have pretty good odds of getting away unscathed because there are only a few large pieces flying around.
A barrel with RDX or another high explosive turns into a grenade, forming many more smaller fragments with much higher velocities.
O'kay-what is the latest numbers from Hawaii.
Don't even worry about it, HI is safe, jsut concentrate on the important stuff
It's too beautiful in Hawaii to allow the state to go for Bush. Seriously. HI might be the top state margin for Kerry -- DC, obviously, will go way way over the top...
Imagine how he freepers will spin this:
"If the resolute, steadfast and clear-eyed Bush cannot control 380 tons of C4 he had right there in his hand, then how can you evil, vile Demon-crats hold him responsible for failing to find all those WMDs that are definately OUT THERE SOMEWHERES!"
(Translation: "Shhh! Pointing out that Bush is incompetent gives comfort to the three or four (at most) terrorists in the entire world who are not already fully aware of his idiocy...")
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NMRed:
This isn't perfect, but here is a try:
"Bush Incompetence = Looted Explosives"
"Bush loses 350 TONS of explosives; we lose our troops"
This isn't new news. Where's everyone been?
April 20, 2003
Lessons of crass destruction
I asked the soldier what was up, and he explained that they didn't have enough troops to guard the ammo dump, but they were making random sweeps to try to keep a lid on the looting. "They're taking these weapons to use them against our forces," he said, not very happy about it. "But look - you saw that we're being fair. We're only arresting people we catch with weapons. Everybody else we're chasing away even though we know they'll be right back about 10 minutes after we're gone." The caught looters, he said, would be taken to what he called an "EPW camp", meaning they were now "enemy prisoners of war". The soldier brought out a stack of green hoods, and the men looked even sicker and sadder, if that was possible.
Recently from Kerry:
October 5, 2004
Kerry lauds Bremer for admitting errors in Iraq
He added: "Remember the secretary of defense talking about looting? Remember his attitude? 'Oh well, looting happens.'
"You run down the list of mistakes. There was 850,000 tonnes of ammo in an ammo dump. Did they guard it? No," Kerry said.
Of course most IEDs are 155 millimeter shells or similar shells: you don't take them apart. They find them every day. A quote from the Nation, Juy 19, 2004:
"One of them moves a tarp and reveals a huge 155-millimeter artillery shell and a long spool of wire. It's an IED. "If they attack, we have this rat poison, for the American rats," says the fighter pointing to the bomb. "But God willing, we will not be forced to use it." Time for me to go. "
The real story is thousands of times worse than what the Times is saying: the amount of uncontrolled ammo and explosives in Iraq is thousands of times greater than than the 350 tones of RDX in this story. The real story is thousands of times worse - get it!? Worse! They'll _never_ run out of ammo. They have enough for millenia of this level of insurgency. And no, hardly any of you know what you're talking about.
But you mean well.
Well thanks, meme. Still, it will be a little easier to laugh when our friends aren't dying in order to save...?
Okay, I've seen the poll from SMC research that indicates Bush is up
1% in Hawaii.
I don't think 1 poll, (and who knows
who they polled) should be of concern. I become more confident when there are several polls and I can average them out. I don't think we should worry about Hawaii.
I look forward to the eventual opening of the former president Bush's library.
I will personally take a trip there and leave books cataloging the number of terrorist attacks which used the "Bush 350" tucked neatly in the stacks.
This story should be splashed on newspapers in 200-point type. Big, frightening stories increase newspaper sales dramatically, after all.
Tomorrow, though, I suspect that that this conventional wisdom will not hold true.
The obvious Presidential library joke involves 'My Pet Goat'.
However, I've deemed it too obvious for my standards, so I digress.
yes, way off topic and probably apochryphal but .....
Bush Soils Self During Speech in Melbourne, FL
from portland indy
chica, your books will stick out like a sore thumb - they'll be the thickest books in the library, and the only ones wihtout crayon markings in them.
NMRed,
What explosives? Bush only LOST 350 TONS!
lefty loosy
You are so right. This situation in Iraq can not end soon enough for me.
I knew too many people from Viet Nam,
their stories horrified me and I always came away thinking that this would never happen again. The fact that our men are dying for no cause
brings pain to my heart.
my prediction for BushCo spin: the explosives have been transported into Iran and thus we need to bomb the suspect storage site.
Just to remind everybody, DoD has known about this for over a year.
The White House has known about it for over a month.
And THEY ALL knew this story was coming TEN days ago.
If we think that they aren't going to have damage control on this, we are kidding ourselves.
yeah, something along the lines suggested, I'll mull it over in my sleep and check this thread in the am to see if there's any other ideas. Thanks, I need the help.
Going to be a busy day Monday, with Kerry coming to Albuquerque on Tuesday, I want to get in and do an early morning double shift instead of my usual afternoon one. That way if there's a call for volunteers to help out with the rally, I'll be there to jump up and down and say "I do! I want to Help!". But I suspect the ABQ office is all over this one, since it's probably the last time we'll see Kerry before the election.
Guess Big Dog won't be coming into NM to recreate that glorious "Breakfast with Bill" on Election Eve '92, he's still not cleared for flying. Damn.
Schwartz,
Bush soils self
I am going to bed with that pleasant thought and a smile on my face.
good night/morning
gcochran/S. Dow,
I'll take you at your word. However, this is not just about missing explosives. It's also about deceiving the IAEA. Evidently, this bit of info was deliberately kept from them. The Iraqis were instructed by the US not to tell the IAEA about this. As the the Repubs like to say: It's not the explosives, it's the coverup! IOKIYAR.
That last, rueful crack refers to efforts by DOD to create the impression that the road side bombs are made from captured artillery shells; our sources say, “this is very unlikely. Taking a shell apart is incredibly dangerous and difficult, it has to be done by real experts, and we’d have seen more ‘accidental explosions’ if they were doing this on any scale. No...it’s the RDX and HMX doing most of the damage, you can bet on it.”
This part of it may prove overblown. Plain old RPG rounds have RDX in them: it's not like the 300 ton bunker is the only source of the stuff in that country.
What they were saying earlier was that the big bombings might have come from it.
Goodnight meme.
I'm glad you enjoyed the link.
You got me by a generation, meme. My high school buddies came home with Gulf War Syndrome.
Unfortunately, this is going to happen over and over again until the world's superpower sets a standard of something besides empirical power.
If chimpy wins, I sincerely hope someone sets off a device with this material in Crawford - while he's there!
Mike
Mike you need to watch that shit.
Better that Bush lives and does serious time for his crimes.
STATEMENT TO THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS
DR. MOHAMED ELBARADEI
IAEA Director General
UNITED NATIONS
July 18, 2003
Statement
Iraq
My reports to the Board (GOV/2003/46) and to the Security Council provide an account of our recent verification mission to Iraq. Our request for this mission was triggered by persistent media reports of looting. The mission was confined to verification of material subject to safeguards at Location C Nuclear Storage Facility near Tuwaitha, where the looting had reportedly taken place. The reports note that at least 10 kg of uranium compounds could have been dispersed. While fortunately neither the quantity nor the type of material involved would be sensitive from a proliferation point of view, I have called upon the Authority to ensure the physical protection of the entire nuclear inventory in Iraq and to make every effort to recover, where possible, the looted material and place it under Agency safeguards.
I should note that the Authority has informed the Agency that it would assume responsibility for nuclear safety. The Agency mission therefore did not look into possible safety and health effects of the looting of nuclear material or radioactive sources. In view of recurrent media reports on the subject, I trust that the Authority will monitor any impact on the safety and health of the surrounding population and will share its findings with the Agency. Naturally, the Agency stands ready to provide any assistance required.
Our mission was conducted in connection with the safeguards agreement between Iraq and the IAEA pursuant to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). Although the Agency’s mandate in Iraq under various Security Council resolutions still stands, the Council has stated in resolution 1483 that it will revisit that mandate and we are awaiting such a review. Nonetheless, I should emphasize that, irrespective of our mandate under Security Council resolutions, we have the continuing obligation under Iraq’s NPT safeguards agreement with the Agency to ensure that, in accordance with that agreement, Iraq does not have any proscribed nuclear material or activities.
May 6, 2003
U.N. Wants to Inspect Looted Iraq Nuke Sites from NewsMax no less.
The International Atomic Energy Agency has found reports of looting at Iraq's nuclear facilities "disturbing" and repeated its request Washington allow it to inspect them, a U.N. spokesman said Monday.
May 20, 2003
UN Atomic Chief Again Warns US About Iraq
The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency warned the United States for the third time yesterday of the danger of radioactive contamination in Iraq because of looting at nuclear sites and called on the Bush administration to allow his safety and emergency response teams to enter the country.
June 2003
With War in Iraq Over, Where Are the Weapons?
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged during a May 14 hearing before the Senate Appropriations Committee that looting had taken place at nuclear sites that were unguarded by U.S. forces.
dollie: They have to lie. The truth burns their mouths.
And unfortunately, the explosives themselves may matter a great deal more than the lies to the IAEA. I'm afraid to talk about the possibilities.
But back on my rag: one reason that the Bush Administration was so successful in getting people to believe all this horseshit about the Iraqi Peril is that people don't _know_ anything. And they're innumerate. Everyone is getting excited about the idea of 350 tons of RDX loose in Iraq - and so they should - but there are at minimum some 650,000 tons of similar crap loose in Iraq, as was widely reported starting over a year ago.
If Rumsfeld couldn't even be bothered to demand US forces guard known nuclear sites, why would anyone expect him to be demanding that US forces safeguard anything other than the Oil Ministry or the pipelines?
Posting this again...
650,000 tons of ammunition unsecured:
http://tinyurl.com/6mmxx
In order to move those 350 tons, they needed access to at least 20, probably more like 50 to 100 long-haul freight trucks, they needed access to forklifts, they needed explosives experts, they needed infrastructure
This was a well-planned inside job.
Gcochran, there is a major difference between ammo and high explosive.
There is a major difference between single-use material that needs to be fired from a gun or a rocket launcher, that needs an expert or a brave fool to take it apart to reconfigure it for use...
and fucking plastic explosives in nation-stat, military level job lots...'kay?
Look, this stuff is missing. It is easy to transport, stable, has a long shelf life, is simple to use, and is immensely destructive.
nearly a million lockerbies.
a million IEDs.
Tens of thousands of car bombs.
Thousands of truck bombs.
Colossal fuck up.
Securing facilities other than the Oil Ministry is hard work. It's hard work!
Good info anon.
The Pentagon was forced to back off initial statements that all known munitions sites formerly used by Iraqi forces had been secured. As of late September, military officials said that as much as 650,000 tons of ammunition remained at thousands of unsecured sites.
After the U.S. invaded Iraq in March, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers awarded contracts worth $3.45 million to Tampa, Fla.-based USA Environmental Inc. and EODT to help clear ordnance and explosives in Iraq. The contracts were awarded non-competitively because both companies already had existing ordnance cleanup contracts with the Army Corps of Engineers and the then-ongoing war constituted an "unusual and compelling urgency." EODT mobilized to Iraq in mid-April. By May, the Corps of Engineers had five civilian employees working in Iraq alongside 58 personnel provided by USA Environmental and EODT.
As part of Operation RIO (Restore Iraqi Oil), EODT sent 30 former military operatives to oilfields in southern Iraq to ensure the safety of repair crews who were shutting off leaking pipelines and cleaning up spills.
If I were invading a country too disarm them, I think I would guard the weapons dumps instead of the Oil Ministry
RDX isn't a plastic explosive, although it is a component of some plastic explosivs. Next, artillery shells make fine IEDS and there are millions of them loose in Iraq.
So far, the car and truck bombs in Iraq than have been investigated and reported have, I think, used stuff like 500 lb bobms and artillery shells. That was certainly the case for the truck bomb that took out the UN office.
Most modern explosives are quite stable and easy to transport. You could look it up. Could you cause trouble with 350 tons of RDX? Surely: tremendous trouble. Do I think the trouble caused is somehow liekly to be important compared to the trouble caused by hundreds of thousands of tons of other ammo available? Nope. Could this single lot of explosive lose us the war? Yes, if used imaginatively. How could it do that? I won't say.
The Times story is true in essence but misguided in detail. Nor is it new, in essence. But details don't matter, since the fraction of the public that is able or bothers to get such things straight is minuscule. Go, kick the bastards.
If I were invading a country too disarm them, I think I would guard the weapons dumps instead of the Oil Ministry
Unless, of course, you already knew the country didn't have anything beyond conventional arms to worry about.
fingers in ears -
LALALALALALALALALALA.....
Just a thought, please don't blast me.
Doesnt allowing the looting of this material show even more incompetence than the Bush crew is capable of? Wouldnt this be detected by satellite observation or something?
Is it possible that this material will be used for some kind of black ops? There have been some massive car bombings in the past around mosques that didnt make any sense. Could this material be used against some prominent opponent of Allawi, to be rid of a nuisance, and then have it traced to looting by the resistance? This scenario would be a plus for Bush this close to election, unfortunately.
I know its a bit crazy, but why did this story break now? When did it happen?
Could this be _our_ October surprise?
"In order to move those 350 tons, they needed access to at least 20, probably more like 50 to 100 long-haul freight trucks, they needed access to forklifts, they needed explosives experts, they needed infrastructure"
Good thing the Americans haven't invented aerial drones, satellites, or AWACS. Because Colin Powell showed some photos that suggested that the US could see trucks moving in Iraq, carrying WMD supposedly.
This reminds me of the Rumsfeld statement that a missile had struck the Pentagon. This reminds me of the fact that Rumsfeld changed NORAD's standing orders in Jul 01. This reminds me that Bushbacker FirstEnergy had a near-nuclear disaster in Feb 01, and then triggered the big East-coast blackout. This reminds me that Reliant and Enron gamed the grid in the West, and robbed millions of grannies their retirement.
This reminds me of why we need to take pitchforks and torches to the news media after this whole debacle comes crashing down.
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gcochran, stop being a pedantic boor.
C-4 is made with RDX. As in many plastic explosives the explosive material in C-4 is RDX (Cyclonite, cyclotrimethylene trinitramine) which makes up around 90% of the C-4 by weight.
Okay.
Your not so fucking smart as you think you are.
C-4 is MADE WITH RDX...90% by weight.
As the numerous links previous have shown, a non-zero number of the explosive attacks in Iraq have been conducted with RDX and RDX-based explosives.
RDX and HMX are among the MOST POWERFUL military grade high explosives. They are easy to work with, hard to detect, pack a big punch, are easy to transport, and are remarkably stable and have a long shelf-life.
That is a very different proposition than dealing with an aged rocket, mortar, or artillery round that needs to be carted around, taken apart, jury rigged, or etc.
The RDX/HMX that has gone missing is a global threat, and will be for years.
The ammo that is missing/unaccounted for will remain a local/maybe regional threat, also for years.
You are missing the point and trying to come off like some expert.
You don't know shit.
But that's ok - you seem to be on the side of light and good, albeit a bit obnoxious.
"Do I think the trouble caused is somehow liekly to be important compared to the trouble caused by hundreds of thousands of tons of other ammo available? Nope. Could this single lot of explosive lose us the war? Yes, if used imaginatively. How could it do that? I won't say. "
Why not. The obvious circumstance is that the cans of strontium and cesium that Bushliarco left unguarded at Tuwaitha get together with the high-explosive, and Tel Aviv is toast.
Your attempt to downplay the size of this treason is not working. Please try harder. 'Single lot' of explosives. That's hilarious.
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Silly bunnies,Bush felt the Iraqi people should blow up frogs just like he used to do.
Shouldn't this become a pivot point in the election...this is confirmation of the grossest incopetence and the pattern of deliberate dishonesty and coverups. Kerry needs to hammer the sonsofbitches with this.
Also hang Cheney with his "if Kerry gets elected a Big One will go off in one of our cities" - Yeah, asshole. Cuz you creeps left the barn door open.
Next, artillery shells make fine IEDS and there are millions of them loose in Iraq.
Again, that's not what Chris Nelson's sources are saying, and there's a reason why people pay money for his bulletins. But thanks for regurgitating the Pentagon spin.
There's a reason why militants in Kashmir have treated kilo-bags of RDX like gold-dust for the past decade.
There's also a reason why the IAEA specifically tagged, sealed, and monitored this "single lot" (actually it was multiple lots of RDX, HMX, and PET)...
If Tim McVeigh had had access to 500 pounds of RDX he could have done a lot more damage than with his 5000 or so pounds of Fertilizer and Deisel Fuel.
Democracy is messy. If they wanna blow a bunch of stuff up with looted explosives, that's just what they're gonna do. That's the price of freedom. Do I wish they didn't have all that explosive material? Sure. Do I wish the US had secured all that stuff? You bet. But let's all be clear on where the blame lies. Don't blame the Bush administration for trying to promote capitalism, er, I mean, democracy around the world. Blame John Kerry.
On January 20, 2005, as President Kerry is taking his oath, and BushLiarCo are on a transport plane to asylum in Zimbabwe, each Supreme Court justice that voted in the majority for Bush v. Gore should resign in shame and apologize to the nation for the last four years through which they put us.
RDX and HMX are among the MOST POWERFUL military grade high explosives.
Forget "among". HMX is THE most powerful military explosive in use. Octonitrocubane is more powerful, but that has been synthesized only in the laboratory and only in gram amounts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Oct...Octanitrocubane
this is the final nail. e-mail this all over the place with rage.
There are so many of these stories of the Bush clans fuck-ups and so little follow up by our wonderful media on said stories that the public just dismisses them as liberal propaganda.
Is it possible any story of Republican incompetence will make a difference? After awhile it all seems like we have gone over to lala land. WE are doomed!!!!!!!!!!
Wonder what Tricky Dick is saying to his fellow hell dwellers as he sees what is happening today in Amurica?
Since Reagan got away with things Dick only dreamed of doing and Bush taking dirty shit to a new level and not having to pay, Dick must be saying to Jehovah; where's the fuckin justice?
The incompetence of these people is truly breathtaking.
They couldn't have fucked things up any worse if they'd tried.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
A drunk monkey flipping a coin would have made betetr decisions.
50 years, these explosives will have an impact for the next 50 years.
And the Iraq Survey Group is "investigating"... I have an idea, GO FIND IT, NOW!
For the love of god this election cant happend fast enough.
AP article at yahoo up now.
http://tinyurl.com/6r5zq
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President Bush (news - web sites)'s national security adviser, Condoleeza Rice, was informed of the missing explosives in the past month, the report said. It said Iraq's interim government recently warned the United States and U.N. nuclear inspectors that the explosives had vanished.
"Upon receiving the declaration on Oct. 10, we first took measures to authenticate it," Fleming said. "Then on Oct. 15, we informed the multinational forces through the U.S. government with the request for it to take any appropriate action in cooperation with Iraq's interim government."
"Mr. ElBaradei wanted to give them some time to recover the explosives before reporting this loss to the Security Council, but since it's now out, ElBaradei plans to inform the Security Council today" in a letter to the council president, she said.
In Washington, a senior adviser to presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) said Bush must explain how the loss of the explosives could have happened.
"Today, the Bush administration must answer for what may be the most grave and catastrophic mistake in a tragic series of blunders in Iraq. How did they fail to secure nearly 380 tons of known, deadly explosives despite clear warnings from the International Atomic Energy Agency to do so?" senior adviser Joe Lockhart said.
I can't believe this. I usually hate conspiracy theories and have thought that Bush co. are only incredibly incompetent. That they basically are doing their clumsy best to fight the terrorists. But can anyone really be this incompetent, this reckless with American lives? I mean they are literally making the terrorists stronger at every step. No exaggeration. Bin Laden couldn't have hoped for a more selfdestructive counterstrike. How can this be? How can we be where we now are?
NPR is leading with the explosives story.
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The Al Qa Qaa is about to hit the fan.
GOTV! GOTV! GOTV! GOTV! GOTV! GOTV! The most patriotic thing we can do. The security of our country is at stake. GOTV! GOTV! GOTV!
A. I am not buying that Rumsfeld didnt know about this from April last year.
B. The Iraqi's were covering there asses by releasing this info.
Bremer, Rumsfeld, and Shrimpy McDickfuck have a lot of limbless Americans to answer to.
It's difficult to imagine how Bill Clinton could possibly be responsible for the disappearance of 380 tons of very high explosive, but I'm sure that somehow, somehow, it will be presented as entirely his fault.
If you had to construct a president designed to do nothing but injure this country and the rest of the world, you couldn't have done better than to clone George W. Bush.
Flashback to pictures of the unexploded Beslan bomb pictures shown all over teevee.
These are what have crippled upwards of 7,000 of our troops.
Are you enraged yet?
MSNBC Poll has been freeped again. If you haven't already, how about visiting to cast a vote for a reality-based candidate?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6092749/
al Qaqaa
Please, Goddess, I just want to hear George Bush try to pronounce this word. Just one time, but please let me get it on tivo. Please.
I live in New York - we have a lovely daughter, just 3 years old, she's sleeping soundly while I'm writing these words. I barely dragged myself to vote for Gore last time. Didn't seem like a big deal. On Friday I'll pack my stuff and head for Wisconsin to do whatever I can. I try not to make this sound hyperbolic, but I am scared. Scared for myself, my wife and our little daughter. There are bloodthirsty insane people out there who should be guarded every second and finally destroyed. This administration is unleashing them. Unbelievable. We all have to do now whatever we can. It's our duty. Not for blue states or red states, not for politics. For America.
I just watched W and laurabot on GMA talking about the back door draft issue. Dipshit said that it would be like not completing the mission if that didn't happen (not extending the troops).
Yes, the guard and reserves should all write letters like he did and just not show the fuck up.
Leadership by example pure and simple.
And the biggest joke of all is that facts such as these will make no difference in the way a large segment of the American people will vote.
At some point, I can only point the finger at the Administration for so long. At some point, I have to start pointing the finger at my fellow Americans for supporting these fucks.
At this point, my only consolation is that the race is about momentum.
No real expectation the leopard can change its spots. The mal-Administration will deny responsibility for anything. The press, like the credulous children they clearly are, will swallow any "chain of command" excuse that allows the President to have full authority with zero responsibility....
but the voters who haven't voted yet, who are wondering what do to and who to vote for, are getting more and more reason to vote for Kerry instead of Bush. And Kerry is getting more and more agressive as the race winds down, and it becomes clear he can't say much of anything against Bush that won't (a) be true and (b) be accepted by the media (a strange schizophrenia has set in among them. They recognize Bush is a liar buy, sycophants to power that they are, they refuse to point out the the buck stops on the President's desk.)
Whatever else happens, Bush will only be a lame-duck President by the end of November.
Bush, in the first debate:
"In Iraq, we saw a threat, and we realized that after September the 11th, we must take threats seriously, before they fully materialize. Saddam Hussein now sits in a prison cell. America and the world are safer for it."
Seems to me the world was safer with 380 tons of HMX/RDX and weapons machinery locked down and under UN inspector monitoring.
How long has the Bush Administration known about this, while they've been telling our country the world is safer?
Does anyone think Clinton would accept the U.N. ambassador slot if offered
I saw a news report a couple of days ago that said he wants to be head of the UN when Annan's term is over. He'd be great, because he is truly loved around the world. And it would piss the wingnuts off so badly that it would be great fun for the rest of us.
Folks, call three newspapers in your area or state today--it isn't enough to focus on the big guys. Call them now. You can find contact information here:
http://www.newspapers.com
or
congress.org, look for the media contacts link.
Politely insist that they report on this explosives; if they say they're a local paper, point out that they can start by interviewing any local wounded veterans. Insist on it and insist on addressing this issue in their political coverage.
Lets not argue with each other.
And if someone can explain to me why this story just gets a little space on NPR, wedged between the blurb on the NASCAR family crash and a way-too-long story about the genesis of those silly "support our troops" magnets, I'd much appreciate it.
HELLO? As one poster stated last night, 350 tons of explosives would require tens of 18-wheelers to remove! We don't KNOW? Did Condi think, "if I just stay quiet, this will go away?"
This isn't even negligence. This is malfeasance in its highest form.
CNN (these days the Conservative News Network) is beginning to flog the story now. This story is destined to be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.
Just woke up to this story.
Put this story together with the older story about the missing radioactive material from Al Tuwaitha.
A dirty bomb in Baghdad is just a matter of time. As is a dirty bomb somewhere else...
Seriously thinking of going back to bed.
Forgive my awful blog comments etiquette, but I'm at work and there are almost 400 comments, so I am probably saying what someone else has said. It sounded like NPR didn't let the administration off the hook (but I only heard part of the story). The reporter did say that the UN had the weapons safeguarded before the US went in; that the US was warned before going in that the stockpiles, especially this stockpile, needed to be protected; and that the US failed to protect them. Then the reporter speculated on excuses (US troops overwhelmed, didn't expect another war after Hussein "toppled"). Still and all, it was damning of the current administration.
The gaz gallon is averaging 2,04$ this morning according to ABC News...that's not good for Bush 8 days before the election! He can't even get his chums in the oil industry to control the prices for the election! That's suppose to be his forte!
8:10 am on NBC: Kerry NOW
Can we try Condi for treason now? I understand she's got some time on her hands and is just traveling around the country so it's not as if a trial would interfere with her duties as the FUCKING NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR AT A TIME WHEN THERE'S TONS OF EXPLOSIVES GONE MISSING or anything. So, would this be a good week for her treason trial?
"A man named Zarqawi is responsible for the attacks in Iraq!"
- Shrub at a rally yesterday
[And goddamn if we didn't arm the guy!]
- Eschatonians and other non-believers in Chimpianity
Whoops, hit OK too soon.
If this isn't grounds for impeachment, I really don't know what is.
Oh wait. Blowjobs. That's right, blowjobs are grounds...
Ironically, it's us liberals the repukes are blaming for every malady under the sun approaching this election.
The abysmal wolf commercial that's been so popular around here for the past several days mentions "liberals" very early in the commercial.
Good Lord. How in the hell can these bastards get away with it?
Oy vey. Juan Williams sounds disappointed that Kerry is stronger in battleground state polls. He leads off with the Time Magazine poll, of course.
Wank, wank, wank, wank, wank...
Um, Juan, the Rethugs aren't trying to "de-press" the Democratic vote, they're trying to "sup-press" the vote. It's different, ya see.
According to the NYT, this site was being looted as recently as Sunday.
WHICH MEANS YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
And Condi learned about this when? And Bush still doesn't know!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I suppose someone will still say all those roadside explosions couldn't possibly be Bush's fault, too......
We had to guard the oil ministry as a TOP priority. I could not allow the rcords of Halliburton, under my CEO ship, dealing illegally with Saddam to surface.
Now THATS the point.
I give up.
Does this explosive material have a shelf life?
Does it need to be stored in any special way to maintain its potency?
Just curious.
It probably wouldn't matter much if the answers were "yes" anyway. The insurgents/rebels/whatever would probably just lump it all together for one big blast if they thought it was going to expire soon.
Why do unsecured weapons sites hate America?
If any of the young ones I know who are in or are going to Iraq loses an arm or leg or eye due an IDE.... how can I curse these evil creatures enough?
NMRed
NMRed...what's the population of the town where you live? If it is under 760,000 figure out how much explosives (760,000 / polulation) each person in your town could get hit with.
Wahtever it works out to
"XX lb.s explosive per citizen of (town) Lost. If found contact Bush HQ"
YEs they can. They admitited it was misssing. Unlike the linberal pieces of shit in this country the Bush administration is honest. Too bad fuckers like you aren't. Kerry has not siad one single truth this whole election. Kerry keeps changing his story on every single issue. Kerrys military plan will kill thousands and thousands of our troops. His economic plan and tax plan with destroy our economy when they put an estimated 45% of small businesses owners out of business, run up a deficiet that makes Bush's look like pennies, and destroys social security and all other major forms of public support when they all go bankrupt in a couple of years instead of 20-30. Kerry was a traitor in Vietnam, and hes proving himself a traitor now. Looking at his plans, I think he WANTS another terrorist attack on the US. I hope that he dies before he can ever set foot in the white house as president. If not, then I hope he is the first victem of all the terrorists that are gonna be overrunning our country when his traitorous plans are carried through. And I hope his supporters (like you) aren't too far behind. We need a strong and loyal president and a strong and loyal citizen base. Not a bunch of traitorous liberal jackasses who seem to think that giving Iraq over to terrorists will stop them from attacking us. May the moderates and conservatives kick your asses in the election, and if not, may we somehow manage to survive the Russia or Israel-like nightmare that will be created if the liberals take the whitehouse. And let all the far-left liberals like Kerry burn and suffer for an eternity in the afterlife for their sins agaisnt their country and agaisnt humanity.
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Renquist had surgery over the weekend for thyroid cancer. Normally treatable, but it appears it's rather serious in his case, per NPR report this morning.
Sorry to make a political point over anyone's misfortune, but this is one more reason why it is so critical we get rid of Bush Nov. 2.
We cannot afford a new Chief Justice named Scalia. Or anyone like him.
Does this explosive material have a shelf life?
Does it need to be stored in any special way to maintain its potency?
Yes. It is hygroscopic, so you need to keep it in a dry environment like Iraq or Saudi Arabia.
However if it does get wet you can put it in an oven and dry it out.
Agreed, JJF. And sympathies to Rehnquist. Any monkeying about with the thyroid is traumatic stuff, as a member of my family could tell you.
Clinton as UN guy? No doubt he'd be good - levelheaded and charismatic; I wonder if the fact that he's a WASP from Arkansas might mitigate against him tho'.
Nice satire, Greenie. Especially like the multiple typos for a touch of verisimilitude.
"What if the Al Qaeda members infiltrated across the borders of Iraq the way they are in Afghanistan? Then the question wouldn't be, Is Saddam Hussein going to share these weapons with the terrorist group?
The terrorist groups would have an enhanced ability to just walk in there and get them."
---Al Gore, warning before the war, 23 Sep 02
"And sympathies to Rehnquist."
Mealy-mouthed ass-kissing has gone out of fashion.
Sympathize THIS noose, ye bastard traitor.
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IT FAILED
THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT THE INVASION WAS SUPPOSED TO PREVENT
IT FAILED
THE ONLY-GUARD-THE-OIL POLICY ALLOWED THE CRIME TO HAPPEN
THE CHAOTIC INVASION DIRECTLY CAUSED THIS
IT FUCKING FAILED ALREADY
This "little matter" deserves a much worse description than "incompetent" or "negligent" - Let's not permit the media to dismiss it in a couple of days - I'm going to bug the networks, and write a letter to the editor of my newspaper.
This may have been mentioned somewhere up above, but Juan Cole does a real number on the missing 380 tons. He sez among other things that the International Atomic Energy Agency knew about the El KaKa site before we invaded last year and told the Administration about it, warning that it should be secured.
But, thank goodness, Scott McClellan has cleared it all up for us. We had to secure the Oil Ministry instead. First things first.
Don't expect the "Media" to really jump on this one unless we force the issue.
They have given "Shrub" a free pass for way too long. Remember the Sinclair campaign. Let's get busy.
Kerry On!!!!!!
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