I at long last have (maybe!) achieved frist, but I am too ashamed of my exhibitionism to admit my identity.
Anonymous |
10.27.04 - 10:40 am | #
Conventional wisdom is out the window when it comes to the voting preferences of institutional investors this time around.
monica_nyc |
10.27.04 - 10:46 am | #
Bogle for president!
anono-mouse |
10.27.04 - 10:48 am | #
Obviously, George Soros was able to turn Bogle to the dark commie side by buying him off with his drug money. I'll bet terrorists invest in Vanguard, too.
YR |
10.27.04 - 10:48 am | #
The most expensive presidential race in the history of the US and the Bushies cannot afford foreigners on their site???
And I am an ally (Dutchy) for chrissakes! I need to be motivated constantly by his Imperial Smirkiness George I so that I can continue supporting the USA, I need my daily dose of Koolaid!!
End of rant. Just realized I don't miss that much. (low-key grumbling)
Non Tibi Spiro |
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10.27.04 - 10:53 am | #
I put this in the tail end of one of yesterday's threads, but I want people to see it, so I'm cross-posting it here. Sorry.
I want to point out something about the meme the republicans use, "Why is this damning info coming out now, just one week before the election?" They said this about 60 Minutes' report on Bush's Guard service. They said this about the 360 tons of high explosives missing from Al QaQaa. They said this about the flu shot shortage.
The reason is because some disaster or other like these has been coming out every week for the last four years! The only difference is that now the spotlight is being shone more directly on these thugs and they prefer to do their nasty work under cover of darkness and ignorance of the sheeple.
The last four years has seen the opening of millions of acres of protected forestland to logging, the taking away of funding for embryonic stem cell research, a submarine piloted by Bush's political donors killing Japanese schoolchildren, government thugs attempting to overturn elected governments in Haiti, Venezuela and goddess knows where else, political pals like Kenny boy Lay screwing the people of California out of billions, the near destruction of the United Nations and world collaborations, a plummeting of the standing of the US as a moral leader in the world, stoppage of population control programs throughout the world, the decimation of the value of the dollar, a federal government morale destroyed by outsourcing, incompetence and extreme ideology at the top, the ignoring of memos that spelled out almost exactly what was going to happen on 9/11. Believe me, I could go on and on and on.
So when the thugs ask, "Why is this coming out now, just before an election?", point out some of the many debacles that didn't. This is nothing new that these scandals are coming out just now. It is simply because this administration has been the equivalent of the disaster of the week club.
jsg |
10.27.04 - 10:53 am | #
Conventional wisdom is out the window when it comes to the voting preferences of institutional investors this time around.
monica_nyc
Perhaps watching the US dollar sink slowly into the sewer is provoking greater interest in a reality-based approach to investing...
agitpropre |
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10.27.04 - 10:54 am | #
"continue to support" Grammar, grammar, grammar...
Non Tibi Spiro |
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10.27.04 - 10:55 am | #
Ah, I see the dam is leaking investment groups. It should burst any second now.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 10:55 am | #
I feel better about my Vanguard funds today. My fund holds a small amount of Sinclair stock, and I was pissed that they were disinclined to remove it during the recent troubles.
buck |
10.27.04 - 10:56 am | #
So many Republicans flowing away from Bush.
All he has left to try to rally support regretably is to send many, many Americans and Iraqis to their death in Fallujah.
The assault is coming soon, and he is doing it to make people rally 'round the flag.
He waited and waited so young people, mostly boys, would die to get his "infallible" ass another term.
attaturk |
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10.27.04 - 10:58 am | #
He waited and waited so young people, mostly boys, would die to get his "infallible" ass another term.
I should say, I don't know if he will succeed, but that is what I think they are trying to do.
attaturk |
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10.27.04 - 10:59 am | #
We're all wrong so often. Why is admitting it so awful?
for some leaders of the free world, it's a fear that your overbearing mother will berate you and not give you the love that you so desperately need. it's also a fear that you may not live up to your father's expectations, and that your own accomplishments will pale in comparison to his.
james |
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10.27.04 - 10:59 am | #
Talking to yourself, attaturk?
elkal |
10.27.04 - 11:01 am | #
OT, but I just signed up to be a standby election judge at the polls on Tuesday. Election judge is a fancy title for the people who check in voters, make sure they've stuck their cards into the machines properly, etc. It'll be a 15-hour day for a small stipend, but I felt the need to do my civic duty and help people vote. (Even the Republicans?!)
Capital J |
10.27.04 - 11:03 am | #
Capital J--
is it a problem if my driver's licence address doesn't match the address on my voter registration card? if i have my social security card, will that make it okay?
curious george |
10.27.04 - 11:05 am | #
When asked if he thought the outcome of the election will be known on Nov. 3, Chris Matthews (this morning) said, Kerry has the wind at his back. If this trend continues into thursday and friday the race is his.
Anonymous |
10.27.04 - 11:06 am | #
Capital J - good for you. I'm going to be a poll watcher on the 2d. It's going to be tough duty being at the precinct all day. I'm going to really be missing this place and what is going on. But I wanted to do something to help ensure fair voting this time, too.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:06 am | #
OT (and posted in another thread - sorry), but did anyone else see this on the AFP: Bush campaign website takes a dive. Nutshell: The author tried to hit georgewbush.com and got an error for a few hours, so instead writes about the results of a Google search, including anti-Bush headlines and bumperstickers.
Who says there's no such thing as bad press?
CrispyShot |
10.27.04 - 11:06 am | #
OT, but I just signed up to be a standby election judge at the polls on Tuesday.
Also, People for the American Way still have slots for election protection in Ohio, if anyone's interested. I think we've locked up this election, but every little bit still counts as we take back democracy.
GN |
10.27.04 - 11:06 am | #
curious - all you need is your current voter registration certificate. You don't need your DL unless your registration isn't current. However, carry your DL just in case.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:08 am | #
Crispyshot, scroll up a bit to my first comment and you find out why the Bush site is inaccesible. (hint: all foreigners are blocked)
Non Tibi Spiro |
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10.27.04 - 11:09 am | #
Curious George - I dunno, ask me tomorrow after I finish the training class.
Capital J |
10.27.04 - 11:09 am | #
And no, it shouldn't matter if the addresses don't match - the voter roll at your precinct will have you listed if your registration is current.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:10 am | #
unfortunately, we don't have enough of these Republicans. People like Bogle are the exception.
snoopy |
10.27.04 - 11:10 am | #
When asked if he thought the outcome of the election will be known on Nov. 3, Chris Matthews (this morning) said, Kerry has the wind at his back. If this trend continues into thursday and friday the race is his.
Matthews said this? I'm surprised. He'll probably pull a Snitchens and change his prediction in the next day or two on Hardball.
Vicki Stein |
10.27.04 - 11:12 am | #
unfortunately, we don't have enough of these Republicans. People like Bogle are the exception.
snoopy
Says a little something about the GOP, doesn't it. They can whisper about Bush's malfeasance and indefensibility at cocktail parties, but are willing to scam the public into voting for Bush. What's wrong with this picture?
GN |
10.27.04 - 11:13 am | #
BTW, I notice that the missing munitions story seems to have dropped off the WaPo front page almost instantly. I suppose it wouldn't be fair to dwell on it so close to the election.
Capital J |
10.27.04 - 11:15 am | #
In Louisiana you have to have some form of identification. It doesn't have to be a driver's license but that's what most people use. And they have a roll and they check to see if your name is on it and you sign by your name.
Incognito |
10.27.04 - 11:16 am | #
No acid reflux at Vanguard...
Craig in New Vatican City |
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10.27.04 - 11:18 am | #
There's nothing I can do here in a solidly red state but just cross my fingers. Less than a week to go now...
Incognito |
10.27.04 - 11:18 am | #
Non Tibi Spiro - Whoa, that's weird. I'm curious why (a) the AFP article didn't investigate that part, and (b) the BBC article doesn't have a comment from anyone in the Bush campaign?
(P.S. - Non Tibi Spiro = "I don't breathe for you"? Latin in Catholic school was a long time ago, so I might not have that right...)
CrispyShot |
10.27.04 - 11:22 am | #
You need a password for the site to read the full story on Vogel, and I don't like posting my information all over the web. Does anyone know the link to that website that has a list of free passwords to subscription sites? Someone posted it a few days ago (in connection to another subscription site) and unfortunately I didn't write it down.
Sean |
10.27.04 - 11:23 am | #
snoopy - the exception? What about the two Repugs from Kentucky and John Eisenhower and on and on and on - there are all kinds of Repugs coming out of the woodwork saying: "Bush is scary, vote for Kerry" ?
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:23 am | #
curious george:
Although Tena is probably right, I would bring your DL, your voter's registration card and a utility bill form your current address, you never know who's going to be checking the voters. Don't take any chances.
March on the Polls, then March on Washington if necessary.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 11:24 am | #
snoopy - there is an entire fucking web site dedicated to Republicans for Kerry. Are you kidding with that "there aren't enough Repugs saying vote for Kerry" ?
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:24 am | #
"I'd admit it if I ever had been wrong, but I haven't, since Jebus started talking to me through the backpack thingy"
For some reason, this reminds me of Robert Scott, the English Antarctic explorer...we'd call him 'faith-based' today, he pretty much figured an Englishman could do anything he set his mind to and God would see it through. He got to the pole, but second, and his party slowly starved and froze to death on the way back.
Meantime, Roald Amundsen, who'd done his research and knew how rough the trip would be, and wasn't hung up on living up to some mythic standard, got to the South Pole first, and back in pretty good shape.
We're in a desert now, but it sort of applies.
Another thing to keep in mind when someone mentions Bush being "unyielding" or "steadfast"-- things with some flex or other capacity to absorb shock tend to last longer than fixed, rigid things, which break easily. I somehow think President Kerry will not have aged at the end of his first term as much as Bush has.
Kerry/Edwards IN AN AVALANCHE! (the good kind that is)
Nick Carraway |
10.27.04 - 11:27 am | #
Does anyone know the link to that website that has a list of free passwords to subscription sites?
krsaz probably has the right idea - take everything just in case.
Besides, I'm answering from the perspective of voting in Texas and other states may have other requirements. I know here they will accept a utility bill with a person's address on it if their voter registration isn't current. I think a DL is required, too. Or a property tax statement - that's always good, if you own your home.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:30 am | #
Saw this article in the Inky yesterday -- it deserves to be broadcast far and wide. I noticed that Bogle echoed some of what Kerry said at the rally yesterday (and also what Bruce Bartlett had been saying in that NY Times Magazine piece from a couple of weeks back), so simple and so obvious to us here that it almost wants to bang your head against the wall with despair that more people don't get it: If you can't admit your mistakes, how the hell do you fix them?
The one saving grace in all this is that the reason that the bloody undecideds (and with them I keep thinking of Samantha Bee: "how do you tie your shoes in the morning?") give for their final inability to vote for Bush -- the unbelievable arrogance actually resonates with those who haven't drunk the kool-aid all the way to the bottom.
OT: Check out the WP editorial today where they assure their readers that though they endorsed Kerry their reporting will continue to be nonpartisan and factually based. Given the Post's editorially conservative tilt, I could have used this disclaimer eons ago particularly when they presented their far fetched editorials supporting the great adventure in Iraq.
The WP owners are doing a great parody of themselves: even though we decided to support the creep, Kerry, rest assured we'll continue to do what we've been doing. And I thought humor was dead.
Carter |
10.27.04 - 11:32 am | #
I hate to say it, but I agree with Smathews. Kerry has the wind at his back and should win this thing.
Hecate |
10.27.04 - 11:32 am | #
The polls in Arizona show the race at Bush 47 Kerry 43.5 with a 4 point MOE.
We are suddenly a battleground state again, I truly believe the momentum is on our side, I think AZ will swing to Kerry on the sheer number of new voters most of whom registered as independents.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 11:34 am | #
"A sense of fallibility helps a leader, Bogle says. It inhibits arrogance, tames boldness so it doesn't lapse into recklessness.
"If you can't admit you're wrong, you have a problem," Bogle says"
A more apt description of what is currently wrong with our country doesn't exist.
Solution, put someone who is thoughtful and willing to listen to opposing viewpoints in the office.
Anonymous |
10.27.04 - 11:36 am | #
You liberals are flip floppers and hate America not resolute and determined like your president, who you do not support in wartime next to treason liberal bias evident envious class war god back in government stem cells war troops support our president and ten commandments and *pop*
MBF |
10.27.04 - 11:37 am | #
"P.S. - Non Tibi Spiro = "I don't breathe for you"?"
Right on the money! Abstine sus, non tibi spiro = Keep away, I do not breathe for thee (said the flower to the pig). Edmund Spenser.
Also attributed to Cicero, I think, in the meaning of: I do not live for thee.
Non Tibi Spiro |
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10.27.04 - 11:39 am | #
MBF needs to take a trip to Conjunction Junction.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 11:43 am | #
Correction (and then I am outta here, way off topic). Forget Edmund Spenser, click here.
Non Tibi Spiro |
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10.27.04 - 11:44 am | #
Why can't we have a country run by philosophers? Better than B movie actors, retired atheletes and phony cowboy wannabes, I say.
Mrs. Moore |
10.27.04 - 11:45 am | #
Non Tibi Spiro - such erudition. I love this place.
Hecate - Agreed. Keep Bush away from pointed objects and red buttons because Kerry is going to win.
Kerry in a tsunami!
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:47 am | #
Why can't we have a country run by philosophers? Better than B movie actors, retired atheletes and phony cowboy wannabes, I say.
Plato would have agreed with you, I think. Me, too.
CrispyShot |
10.27.04 - 11:48 am | #
Why can't we have a country run by philosophers?
I'll be happy to answer your question just as soon as I finish deconstructing this here can of whoop-ass.
theodoric. |
10.27.04 - 11:51 am | #
Mrs. Moore - that idea has been floated before - Plato? The Philosopher King?
Actually, I'm not sure that that is such a good idea. Hitler kind of went with that and look where it got Germany. And the neo-cons all take their cues from a philosopher. No, idealogues really have no place in government, frankly.
Let's keep it simple if we can - the president should be a statesman. He or she is our ambassador to the world and should be someone who comes from a background of action in addition to thought so that he can approach problems in practical ways, not just with a viewpoint in place that dictates every move, whether the move is right or wrong.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:52 am | #
Tena:
Sorry, not enough. Otherwise, we would have a comfortable lead right now. Kerry could still lose this one if you look at the states where the battle is being waged.
Not enough. Sure, some high profile Republicans have voiced their support but 90% of them will vote for W.
snoopy |
10.27.04 - 11:52 am | #
Thanks, Atrios - added it to the dKosopedia list. Long and getting longer!
mecki |
10.27.04 - 11:55 am | #
What about Jefferson? Lincoln? Not philosophers?
Mrs Moore |
10.27.04 - 11:56 am | #
snoopy - you just pulled that 90% figure out of your ass.
There is no way in hell Bush is getting 90% of the Repug vote. I know that.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:57 am | #
A country run by philosophers?
No, how about a country run by John Kerry and John Edwards, how about three new Supreme Court Nominations. After we win on November 2, 2004 we need to take bake the house and the Senate. Hopefully Big John will have long coattails.
My ex-wife is a philosopher, well I helped put her through graduate school in philosophy then she left me. The thought of her running the country is frightening beyond words.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 11:58 am | #
Hell, snoopy - he only got 84% of the white evangelical vote last time and he is polling down among those voters by 22% this time.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 11:58 am | #
krsaz, Is that you Tom? Thanks for the education. I am much better now and I could run the country.
Mrs Moore |
10.27.04 - 12:01 pm | #
GN -- I'm in Ohio. Where can I contact about voluteering for election protection through PFAW? I get email from them but haven't seen anything about signing up.
cs |
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10.27.04 - 12:03 pm | #
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.
Waldo |
10.27.04 - 12:07 pm | #
Mrs. Moore - No, Lincoln was most assuredly not a philosopher. He was a lawyer and a politician. Jefferson fancied himself a philosopher and I'll hand you that one, to a certain extent. That was a hell of a long time ago, however, and the country was smaller, not a world power and things were much different.
No philosophers in the WH, please.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:08 pm | #
Only in America could this race still be close. Shame.
mike in pr |
10.27.04 - 12:09 pm | #
If not a philosopher, I guess I'd settle for a thinker. It would be a nice change.
CrispyShot |
10.27.04 - 12:10 pm | #
krsaz, Is that you Tom? Thanks for the education. I am much better now and I could run the country.
Mrs Moore.
Not Tom, but that scared the hell out of me.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 12:12 pm | #
Pax Vobiscum
Peace be with you.
Chuck |
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10.27.04 - 12:13 pm | #
Hell, snoopy - he only got 84% of the white evangelical vote last time and he is polling down among those voters by 22% this time.
Not what he said. He said "Republican".
I know a lot of white evangelicals who are Democrats.
But what he said is bullshit anyway. The only independent Bush endorsement I've heard in the last week was from the editors of the Chicago Tribune, who were too busy digging themselves out of Democratic astroturf to make any sense.
theodoric. |
10.27.04 - 12:14 pm | #
Oh thinking is good, very good. I believe the vast majority of preznits have had actual thoughts about things before now. Now we have the wonderful faith based presidency and we all see what an improvement that is.
Mars, my little bitches, and beyond.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:16 pm | #
theodoric - I know that's not what he said - I was using the evangelicals as an example of Bush's voter base. Like Repugs are.
But thanks for pointing that out.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:17 pm | #
My ex-wife is a philosopher, well I helped put her through graduate school in philosophy then she left me.
those doctoral programs are hell on marriages.
I got to be the leaver rather than the leavee. Had to go nuclear on her with the best divorce lawyer in Washington state, but I figure she was doing me a big favor when she kicked me out of the house.
theodoric. |
10.27.04 - 12:19 pm | #
Mrs Moore-Why can't this country be run by great philosphers.
Strange but I often said something similar-Where are our great thinkers?
I have confidence that Kerry is one of those thinkers. I believe the man has wisdom and can admit mistakes, recognize them and correct them as needed. I don't think I will be disappointed.
meme |
10.27.04 - 12:21 pm | #
I got to be the leaver rather than the leavee. Had to go nuclear on her with the best divorce lawyer in Washington state, but I figure she was doing me a big favor when she kicked me out of the house.
theodoric.
You heteros trash marriage but you want let me marry ma betrothed.
Incognito |
10.27.04 - 12:25 pm | #
Sorry, bad joke, krsaz. I think you and Tena are talking philosopher with a capital P (and small pocket protector. I meant only a "lover of knowledge" -- like John Kerry (I hope) actually. Bogle is describing that kind of person I believe -- a philosopher walks around a problem before making a decision, certainly. Bogle feels compelled to carry on the Repub tradition of dissing intellectuals.
Mrs Moore |
10.27.04 - 12:25 pm | #
I want my right to marriage and a messy divorce, too!
Incognito |
10.27.04 - 12:27 pm | #
Why can't this country be run by great philosphers.
A beautiful mind is a terrible thing to waste . . . on people not like me.
-- Bar Bush
watertiger |
10.27.04 - 12:30 pm | #
Incognito,
I fully support your right to marry and then messily divorce your betrothed. Just label the CDs beforehand.
watertiger |
10.27.04 - 12:32 pm | #
those doctoral programs are hell on marriages.
On the other hand, that is where we met longer ago than some of the commenters on this thread have been alive and we are still together.
____league |
10.27.04 - 12:38 pm | #
Incog - what watertiger said.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:39 pm | #
Incog - by all means, please marry several times and divorce very messily. It keeps the family law bar rich.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:40 pm | #
Atrios, I am having problems with the site not fully loading or loading only the posts from tuesday and before. I be needin my fix!
agpc |
10.27.04 - 12:43 pm | #
Mrs. Moore - you're right - I was thinking Philosopher as opposed to a man of ideas. Now men of ideas are good, as long as the ideas don't come between the man and reality.
I'm sensitive on this subject at the moment because we have people with Big Ideas running a lot of the show right now and it most emphatically does not work. The neo-cons have Big Ideas and that's all they have.
Yes, thinking people are necessary in every aspect of government. But I'm a sucker for pragmatism in government, as well, and it is sorely lacking any more.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:44 pm | #
agpc - blogger is down everywhere. Access new posts through the archive link on the left. Or go down to the open thread, see Atrios' comment with link.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:45 pm | #
Remember who W.'s favorite "philosopher" was?
Ironically, of course, He is indeed one of the great "philosophers" of all time, but not remotely in the sense that W. thinks He is. If he thinks He is at all. That would assume that he was actually responding to the question.
I keep around half of my portfolio at Vanguard and I always had a great deal of respect for Bogle. Its intensified now.
Middle Walker |
10.27.04 - 12:51 pm | #
Oh that Vanguard. I thought it was some kind of Aryan Nations thing, and couldn't work out why it would be good that they endorsed Kerry.
I hereby assume the idjit mantle, previously worn by Tena.
Father Ted |
10.27.04 - 12:53 pm | #
All he has left to try to rally support regretably is to send many, many Americans and Iraqis to their death in Fallujah.
The assault is coming soon, and he is doing it to make people rally 'round the flag.
This isn't idle speculation. I've been hearing the same thing from my military sources about a "massive" offensive in Fallujah for a while now.
LJ |
10.27.04 - 12:53 pm | #
So, when do we start worrying about the damage Bush et al. will do after they lose but before they leave?
Capital J |
10.27.04 - 12:53 pm | #
My sweetie is doing post-grad stuff right now and he will almost certainly be going for a doctoral program after that.
If he gets too unruly I'll just spike his tea and tie him to the bed until he calms down.
Seraphiel |
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10.27.04 - 12:54 pm | #
From the AFP story about the hacked BC04 site:
Web surfers seeking information on the president's latest bon mot or appearances at www.georgewbush.com were greeted with an error message.
Capital J - AFAIC - November 3. I have enough to worry about between now and the 2d - I can't handle anything else.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 12:58 pm | #
LJ - Ok, now I'm thoroughly confused over what has happened to the Bush campaign site. Was it hacked, was it closed to foreigners, or what?
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 1:00 pm | #
I respect that man's words. Never heard of him before, but I own Vanguard funds, and this posting makes me feel much more confident that I am not being robbed.
G. D. Frogsdong |
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10.27.04 - 1:03 pm | #
OT: has anyone mentioned that the official Bush re-election site now blocks visitors from outside the US? (Draw your own comparisons to his foreign policy.)
Compared to Taylor's cheap, sour, scurrilous shit? No contest.
anonymous in nc |
10.27.04 - 1:12 pm | #
years ago bogle wrote a great book on investing, which basically said we'd all be wise to just use index funds. he said this despite the fact that his company has plenty of managed funds that generate more profit. i call THAT integrity.
over my 20 year career i have always transferred 401(k) and pension money to vanguard (total stock market index fund, very low expenses) whenever leaving a job and am happy to hear bogle standing up for TRUTH, once again.
Texan Embsd by Bush |
10.27.04 - 1:14 pm | #
Best book on the market I've read is "Random Walk Down Wall Street"
elkal |
10.27.04 - 1:15 pm | #
Why can't this country be run by great philosphers.
Oh lovely. The old Philosopher-King argument. This is wingnut fantasia in full glory. Seriously. Because everyone who first reads Plato's Republic thinks, "Hey, that's pretty cool, *I* would be a Philosopher-King. Because I've taken a philosophy class, which is more than most people have done. So I'd be a shoo-in." Um, guess again. If you read the book carefully, it's clear that there will be a small tier of these "philosophers" calling upon a slightly larger group of guardians (the military) to keep control of the commoners, which would be just about everyone else. It sounds remarkably like a banana republic.
The people deluded into thinking they'd be P-Ks are the same as these idiots who think they're in the top 1% of wage earners because they earn $70K/yr, and that's why they vote Republican, even though they ARE just as hard hit by Republican policies as the person making half that.
Granted, there are some interesting ideas in the Republic, but it's hardly a tome to live by.
LJ |
10.27.04 - 1:16 pm | #
Anyone notice how all the republicans who have endorsed Kerry sound reasonable, thoughtful and literate?
And all the endorsements for chimpy are strewn with tortured logic and wishful thinking?
Hey Incognito, there is something you can do- help people get to the polls- volunteer to give rides to people who don't have transportation.
four legs good |
10.27.04 - 1:22 pm | #
Why can't this country be run by great philosphers.
Because you don't want dreamers like Plato, analytics like Aristotle, manic-depressives like Kierkegaard, mystics like Aquinas, or prevaricators like Derrida and Wittgenstein, running a house party...
...much less a country. And I didn't even get to Heidegger and Neitzsche!
Robert M. Jeffers |
10.27.04 - 1:22 pm | #
Anon in NC: yes, my friend Guy (a Dutchie living in France) mentioned it way upthread.
Re: the country being ruled by philosophers, I don't know if anyone has noticed, but we ARE! And his name is Leo Strauss.
vaara |
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10.27.04 - 1:23 pm | #
vaara - Leo Strauss - exactly, just what I tried to say upthread.
Monica_ny - I've been trying to get someone to tell me what the hell happened with the Bush campaign website all morning. Lots of posts about it being closed to foreigners, no explanations. Also, someone on one of the threads claimed the site had been hacked. Now if that's true, it may be that it was hacked from outside the U. S. and that's why they closed access. But I"m just making that up - I have no idea.
And clicking through the archives link here is not working for me. *sigh* I wonder if blogger is going to be medicated soon and able to function again.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 1:30 pm | #
Monica_CA - so sorry to confuse the issue by calling you Monica_ny. My bad.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 1:31 pm | #
"You heteros trash marriage but you want let me marry ma betrothed."
Incognito
I firmly support the rights of homosexuals to be as miserable as everybody else.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 1:35 pm | #
Nick Carraway:
Loved your Scott/Amundsen analogy!
Dubya does seem like another Scott (if even not that smart);I sincerely hope Kerry is Amundsen, or maybe even Admiral Byrd!
"Ponies! Ponies! We must use ponies!! It's the British thing to do!"----Scott
"I'll take the huskies, please."--Amundsen
(Just guess who succeeded
and lived!)
Dubya Must have his Ponies!!!!!!
OMEN667 |
10.27.04 - 1:37 pm | #
This country is being ruled by a philosopher, alright----MACHIAVELLI!!!!!
ReverbOnTen |
10.27.04 - 1:40 pm | #
And I didn't even get to Heidegger and Neitzsche!
Robert M. Jeffers
I figure the amount of crap I had to put up with when the ex was in her doctorate program qualified me for a minor in philosophy, what I can honestly say is that most of it is bullshit, semantics coupled with critical thought the application of which is mostly useless.
Heidegger was a Nazi fuck.
krsaz |
10.27.04 - 1:41 pm | #
Kerry even looks a bit like Amundsen, who is a personal hero of mine.
(Although Edwards does bear a slight and unfortunate reference to Capt. Scott.)
vaara |
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10.27.04 - 1:41 pm | #
I meant "resemblance to Capt. Scott."
vaara |
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10.27.04 - 1:42 pm | #
man is blogger bloggered. I went over to TPM and used my bookmark to come back here just to check - I got a page with the right margin up against the left margin - all adds and links and no Atrios at all.
Have to back page to get back to this one.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 1:48 pm | #
Here's the amusing thing about the block of the Bush site: it blocks via DNS. But if you go in via IP address--
--you can access the site from outside the US. And if the Bush site is going to be DDOSed, then it's probably going to be by IP.
anonymous in nc |
10.27.04 - 2:01 pm | #
anonymous in nc - you just proved why I should never attempt to say anything about computers. I have very little grasp of what you just said. A little, but very little.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 2:24 pm | #
Holy crap -- check this out:
Bush Website Blocked Outside US
WTF???
Monica_CA | Email | Homepage | 10.27.04 - 1:27 pm | #
"Mike Prettejohn, president of Netcraft, speculated that the blocking decision might have been taken to cut costs, and traffic, in the run-up to the election on 2 November."
To paraphrase John Wolcott, 'the biggest mistake a person can make is to give George W. Bush the benefit of the doubt.'
To that end I will only say that there is no way this blocking attempt by the Bush site is benevolent. There has never been a single opportunity for telling the truth which this administration hasn't lied instead. They have yet to tell the truth *once* in their entire 4-year span in office.
What's funny is that if this is an attempt at security then they are dumber than imagined cause any hacker worth his weight will know what you pointed out almost instantly.
OT, but I just got back in the site after a crash, and find the Vanguard story from 10:30am at the top of the page.
I'd appreciate it if someone would kindly post the URL's of some of the more recent threads.
Thanks,
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
kent |
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10.27.04 - 2:47 pm | #
man is blogger bloggered. I went over to TPM and used my bookmark to come back here just to check - I got a page with the right margin up against the left margin - all adds and links and no Atrios at all.
Have to back page to get back to this one.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 10.27.04 - 1:48 pm | #
Tena, I was having problems getting here myself this morning around 10am. I also had problems getting into Pandagon, and TPM. The blogads are making everything more difficult. First it was haloscan loading, now it's the damned blogads.
If there are other posts above Vanguard, someone needs to tell me, too. I've tried refreshing and going through archives - nada.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 2:51 pm | #
Tena,
Ahh you are stuck in the past as well?
I find myself in good company at least.
Before my comp crashed, I had access to
a couple of posts further up, and someone was kind enough to pass a link to the most recent thread.
Man does this suck.
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
kent |
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10.27.04 - 2:54 pm | #
MYOB - as far as I know, and according to Atrios and the Liberal Coalition, blogger is totally fucked up and the only way I could get to a page with posts on it was through a link that Atrios provided down in I believe the morning thread. It takes you through the archives link, which some people have been able to use to access fresh pages. I have not. I don't know what to tell you - I'm totally at sea here. I was able to access Josh Marshall, but not Hesiod. Hesiod is my weathervane when Atrios is down, since Hesiod is using the same set up.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 2:56 pm | #
you just proved why I should never attempt to say anything about computers. I have very little grasp of what you just said. A little, but very little.
okay, here begins the lesson:
There are two ways to identify a computer on the internet. The fundamental one is a set of four numbers between 1 and 255, separated by dots. The other is DNS: the thing that maps those numerical addresses to domain names like 'johnkerry.com' (24.158.63.44) or 'atrios.blogspot.com' (66.102.15.101).
Basically, the Bush techies locked the front door but left the back door open. And hackers like using the back door.
anonymous in nc |
10.27.04 - 2:56 pm | #
whoa - update - we are back online and there are multiple posts above this one. I refreshed this page - the archive page and voila! this time it worked.
Tena |
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10.27.04 - 2:57 pm | #
Most recent posts:
Spiked Poll?
Jerome has word from a pollster that CBS spiked a Florida poll because it showed Kerry up by a whopping 4 points. I had heard that the 4 point poll was what they got after redoing a previous poll they weren't happy with - one which showed Kerry up by 8 or 9.
Now, I have no idea if this poll is a more accurate representation of reality than any other, but there's no chance they would spike such a poll if it showed Bush ahead by that much.
They're just scared of Drudge screaming "liberal bias" at them. Cowards.
Oh, ignore that. It looks like we're back in business. Someone put a quarter in the slot.
anonymous in nc |
10.27.04 - 2:58 pm | #
anonymous in nc,
Thanks a bunch.
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
kent |
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10.27.04 - 2:59 pm | #
It's still buggered for moi.
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
kent |
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10.27.04 - 3:01 pm | #
Bogle is a great man. This endorsement doesn't surprise me. He takes the word 'trust' very seriously.
Kerry 57, Bush 43.
Andre |
10.27.04 - 3:21 pm | #
hellooooooo,
Please toss a link to a new discussion thread, please. pretty please.
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
kent |
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10.27.04 - 3:52 pm | #
This is sweet--my Republican father gave me an IRA last year for Christmas, and the fund he encouraged me to invest in was Vanguard. I just emailed him this article--this is the kind of person he would listen to in changing his vote.
gazould |
10.27.04 - 4:08 pm | #
I knew I invested there for a reason...
Moi ;) |
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10.27.04 - 4:54 pm | #
Well, this at least makes me feel slightly better about having most of my (tiny) IRA invested in Vanguard midcap index funds.
John Bogle is my guru.
Anonymous |
10.27.04 - 7:41 pm | #
anonymous in nc - operation times out trying to reach furious george's website via ip address. And gives me the no right to access using the name.
I've only been able to access the site though once during the whole campaign. So I got to see the puppies... but I missed out on the hitler ad.
And I've met Bogle as well at an investing conference. Definitely a man of integrity.
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10.27.04 - 8:02 pm | #
I read atrios all the time. to add to the discussion about financial markets, I received this from Fidelity about the markets favoring Democrats.
Does the Market Play Presidential Favorites?
By Sam Stovall
Many on Wall Street--and on Main Street, for that matter--believe the stock market prefers a Republican president. Oddly enough, however, the S&P 500® Index has posted better returns when a Democrat has held the office than a Republican. Since 1929, the S&P 500 has gained an average of 10.1% during each year of a Democratic administration, yet only 3.8% during Republicans' years in office.
Even excluding the Great Depression, Democrats hold the edge. Since 1945, the "500" has risen 10.7% on average each year under Democrats and 7.6% under Republicans. One reason could be that economic recessions have occurred more frequently during Republican administrations than Democrats'. READ MORE
anonymous |
10.27.04 - 9:08 pm | #
I read atrios all the time. to add to the discussion about financial markets, I received this from Fidelity about the markets favoring Democrats.
Does the Market Play Presidential Favorites?
By Sam Stovall
Many on Wall Street--and on Main Street, for that matter--believe the stock market prefers a Republican president. Oddly enough, however, the S&P 500® Index has posted better returns when a Democrat has held the office than a Republican. Since 1929, the S&P 500 has gained an average of 10.1% during each year of a Democratic administration, yet only 3.8% during Republicans' years in office.
Even excluding the Great Depression, Democrats hold the edge. Since 1945, the "500" has risen 10.7% on average each year under Democrats and 7.6% under Republicans. One reason could be that economic recessions have occurred more frequently during Republican administrations than Democrats'. READ MORE
anonymous |
10.27.04 - 9:08 pm | #
My 401k is with Vanguard. Good bunch of people.
Yasmin |
10.27.04 - 11:06 pm | #