I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
This is what they get for totally disregarding all of the years of work the U.N. put into disarming Saddam.
The guy is was the mayor of NYC, WTF does he know about military policy during the invasion of Iraq?
Do you think you have made any mistakes in the last three years Mr. President? "Not a one."
5 more days until regime change.
Go Lockhart. Good to see this sort of message. Now, I hope Wesley Clark will pick up on it (like he did yesterday)
Why does Rudy hate America?
Guiliani is a war hero, right?
I watched his interview on CNN this morning with Soledad O'Brian. She asked if this(missing goods)is not an example of the President not taking responsibility for his actions, he says nothing happened while we had control.
Rudy answered by talking about how rotten it is to blame the troops for this...he didn't have to think about this answer, it came right out.
Obvious conclusion: the Repub talking point is to switch to Kerry blaming our poor troops...that mean ole Kerry, when asked if Bush screwed up.
I can't take it anymore.
Rudy served in the military? He was, what, a general? An admiral? Joint Chiefs?
And Rudy's going to try a run in '08?
Fat chance.
Giuliani is slime. He has no soul after his endless shilling and lying for the corrupt Bush administration.
Ouch. 350,000 lucky duckies this week. 20,000 worse than last week.
The facts just aren't pro-Bush this week, are they?
See AP article at home page.
Yeah, his lispy drool is really tiresome...
I saw Rudy give his little performance. He blamed Kerry, he blamed field commanders and troops. He contradicted himself from one sentence to the next. There was even the assertion that everything was taken away in the 2 weeks between weapons inspectors leaving and the 101st Airborne arriving, therefore it was Saddam's fault. No mention, of course, of the failure to keep tabs on these super sensitive sites that the IAEA warned repeatedly about or the failure to notice convoys of trucks driving out of Iraq or wherever they went...
Rudy was an asshole as Mayor, and he is an asshole as Bush surrogate.
This GOP talking point -- Kerry is "denigrating our soldiers" -- is very Rovian. Ties in with the Swift Boat liars.
Guiliani is a hack, and every time his mouth flops open he proves it. Getting attacked does not make you an expert on terror.
The fact that he hasn't used his political star power to get enough homeland security money to NYC is all I need to know.
Check out www.kstp.com - the local minneapolis station had an embedded reporter with the 101st airborne. They have video of the missing explosives from April 18th
wow I'm listening to Democracy now ...Greg Palast has a peice on the current Florida vote!!!..unbelievable!!!
Kos comments have photos of explosives at qaqaa by news team embedded with troops. Check it out.
THE KSTP VIDEO IS JUST INCRIMINATING! And gulliani personally is denegrating the troops. Kerry not once said it was the troops, he is on record as saying it was the FuckNut BUSH!
Stunning. They're just going to keep throwing up excuses until election day. they're panicking.
So it's not the fault of the Administration that didn't plan to secure weapons sites (INCLUDING POSSIBLE WMD SITES!!!) and didn't send enough troops to secure them even if they had thought of it.
Not their fault.
Giullani should smoke a turd in Hell for what he's doing.
I saw it. Giuliani blamed the troops, and Matt Lauer sat there and let him get away with it.
Matt was real tough in pressing his "Would you accept a job in the Bush admin" question, though. These TV "journalists" can be very forceful in areas that don't require any command of actual facts.
Just in case any of you people out there haven't figure it out yet, Rudy Guiliana is an ass-wipe.
I still haven't figured out why NYC voters keep electing these pimples.
At some point you'd think even Bush supporters would get a little disgusted by the way Bush is hiding behind the troops on this issue, setting them up to take the blame.
The Neocon bastards ignored and marginalised Shinseki et al. in their rush to the clusterfuck, and now their halfwit minions shit on the troops. Lovely.
Speaking of "Don't blame us," check out the latest corporate media buck-passing in today's Times.
KSTP TV in Minneapolis had a photo-journalist embedded with the 101st Airborne, and has videotape of members of the 101st going through bunkers at Al-QaQaa on April 18th finding box after box clearly labeled 'explosive' in English.
http://www.kstp.com/article/stor...S3723.html?
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Credit to Jeff on another thread
Attaturk has pics at his blogspot
This is proof that at least some explosives were there after our troops arrived.
The actual responsibility for soldiers killed in Iraq really would be for the troops themselves. Did they deploy carefully enough? Did they bring along the 300,000 they really needed to get the job done?
People forget that before he became "America's mayor" Rudy was despised in NY. To avoid getting his ass kicked by Hillary, he dropped out of the Senate race (I didn't forget the prostate cancer), and now his private consulting firm is making ungodly amounts of money by exploiting his connection to 911.
What a scumbag.
Holy Smoking Gun, if that KSTP video and info is legitimate, that fucking lying piece of shit Bush is TOAST!!!
Fucking assholes!!!!!!
Send Guiliani over there to find that shit, that fucking piece of shit!
Its becoming so easy to see who is corrupt and who isn't.
Giuliani, McCain, Powell, anybody who shills for this despicable fraud of an administration.
Oh, and did I mention the media?
Did you know that Bush is selected as no.1 villian (imaginary or real) by British. This is in todays USA Today.
Is this chronic acid reflux disease thing contagious or what?
We loves us our troops.
Leave my hardworking millionaire employees alone goddamn it!
P.S. Mayor Rudy Good. Bush Lapdog Rudy Bad.
What does Rudy Guiliani know about explosives in Iraq? He was there?
Further note: why is he even being asked questions about this story? He's not a member of the administration. He's not a spokesperson for Defense Department. Why was the interviwer just pitching him these questions and letting him make shit up about something he has no special knowledge about?
Rhetorical question folks.
But Rudy, how could the troops have searched for the explosives that were taken by Russian Special Forces to Syria, an action that we supposedly just learned about?
Literally, these clowns have a different excuse every day. This story must be KILLING them in internal polling to even have them respond to the charges.
The sad part is, most voters are probably looking for a statement along the lines of "We goofed on this one, but rest assured our troops are looking for these weapons right now- it's a top priority".
Greg Palast has a peice on the current Florida vote!!!..unbelievable!!!
Does it go a li'l something like this (from the BBC website)?
I think the Election Protection volunteers who signed up in Jacksonville and elsewhere are in for the ride of their lives on Tuesday. I expected it would be pretty smooth sailing -- didn't expect we might face gangs of GOP thugs massively challenging voters. Oh, and Jeb! came out in FAVOR of that today... as if unqualified, unregistered voters casting votes all over the place is a PROBLEM in Florida. The man has no shame.
(OTOH, early voting has been SO heavy in Florida, I have to wonder how many people are waiting until Tuesday. There have been 2-hour lines at times. I waited 25 minutes at about 3 in the afternoon on a Thursday and the line was much longer when I left. Makes you wonder how we ever held an election without early voting.)
OT.
Did anyone see the headline from AP?
Exxon Profit Soars on Record Oil Prices
the world's largest publicly traded oil company, on Thursday reported a 56 percent rise in quarterly profit, driven by soaring oil and gas prices.
Net income in the third quarter jumped to $5.68 billion, or 88 cents a share, compared with $3.65 billion, or 55 cents a share, in the year earlier period.
War profits anyone?
Glad to see,spmeone benefitting from this debacle.
/snark
pleading in the alternative
Gee, I thought the story was that Kerry was denigrating the troops, when in fact he denigrated w's so called leadership.
Now Mr. Family Values hisself, is calling the troops negligent? Yeah, thats the ticket, blame ANYBODY other than the INCOMPETENT CIC (Criminal in Charge).
Giuliani has just nullified everything he did on September 11th and the days following. He's back to being a worthless GOP tool.
Cheney off and die, Rudy. You're scum like the chimp for blaming the troops for the fratboy coward's cheneyups.
This is a joke. These incompetents need to be kicked to the curb.
But I live in SW Ohio and, unfortunately, I received six printed pieces in the mail yesterday from the Rethugs and got three Rethug phone recordings, two of which pertained to the presidential election. They can't wini on the issues, but I'm going to be very disappointed if they somehow win on tactics.
http://gregpalast.com/
go watch this report..
Florida....black vote suppression
Some surprise - as usual, Bush blames the troops. He blamed them for Abu Ghraib, and so far they are the ones taking the fall for it.
Now he is turning around and blaming them for this - hell - it's the usual projection - he says Kerry blames the troops because that's what he is doing.
On another note, the Dallas paper this morning says that 1.3 million people had voted in early voting in Texas through Monday.
call hannity
I've been seeing those long lines in Florida on TV. Very encouraging.
here is why they get away with it Clueless people love Bush
Studies show Bush supporters are misled on Bush policies and the news
and i do think kerry supporters are smarter than bush supporters, but i have met some smart bush supporters, i just shake my head in saddness. if that lying fk'n war criminal get's in again i'm afraid my attitude may change dramatically.
Larger context of missing expolsives story: Rove spends all his time conjuring up lame excuses (defending), trying to turn the tables on Kerry. Result: More and more doubt and depression among those who might be so uninformed as to still lean toward Shrub.
* Kerry wins HUGE!!!!
Anonymous: do keep up there at the back.
Karl, who can we send out now, as only the Evangelicals believe ANYTHING my admin says anymore?
There's really no low the Republicans won't get under. Just none.
Its the fuckin NYT and CBS fault.
Kill the messenger.
In the warped Repukelican view,
Our troops are just fall-guys to screw.
They're pawns to be used,
Spit upon and abused;
A piece of shit on the GOP shoe.
I fucking hate this guy. I hope this statement follows him to his grave.
Oh, Rudy! The troops weren't there to search for explosives or to secure them. That's the entire point here!!!
George wtf Bush - sorry, but a significant percentage of the evangelicals don't believe you anymore either. Check your numbers - you are losing your core RR base, too.
Bye bye - and put that ashtray down - you can't take that with you, it belongs to the people.
Here's the link to the Rochester, Minesota station KSTP TV Eyewitness News where you can view the tape of the 101st Airborne going through bunkers at Al QuQua and finding countless containers and boxes marked Explosives.
Pardon me, but I'm going to be pretty damn direct.
Rudy, shut your drafty piehole!
If any of you live in New York State, remember this little "fart in the church" that Rudy just did.
Rudy wants to run against Senator Clinton in 2006.
After that little display, Rudy isn't fit to carry out the Senator's used tampons!
Remember this, Bush lied, the troops are still dying, 1109 as of last night, and Rudy liked the Bush lies! Rudy blames the troops for the bungled missions?
Rudy, you made a big mistake, you arrogant putz!
Such a goddamn shill.
Last night, I heard the Chimp blame Kerry for saying the same things...WTF???? Can Pukes say things about the troops and not be called on it? Who is that possible?
(i know, I know...jus' axsin...)
What do expect from a surrogate for the "Its Not Our Fault" Administration?
Given the way Rudy has pissed away his credibility shilling for the Bushists he must not want a national political career down the road. Perhaps he is banking on a Bushist win ruling out further elections.
The guy is was the mayor of NYC, WTF does he know about military policy during the invasion of Iraq?
CK Dexter Haven
This is typical of jack(ass) of all trades, master of none Giuliani. He has an incredible capacity to assert ill-formed opinions as if they are truisms. He also believes that his various agendas are disguised, as if it is not clear that Giuliani is cynically using this election to advance his fledgling political career.
I suspect Hillary's past needing tampons.
But Rudy clearly isn't fit to lick her ass clean after she takes a bush...
Yo Noo Yawkuhs
Din't Roodee try and kick his wife and daughter out of the NY gov mansion and move his girlfriend in?
What a sense of family values the man has.
You could justifyibly blame the troops...if any had been assigned to guard the place.
You could justifyably blame the general who chose not to assign guards to the place...if he had had them at his disposal.
Blame falls eventually to the man who chose to not make enough troops available to complete all necessary missions involved in the invasion.
Rudy Guiliana is an ass-wipe.
I deeply resent that.
Blaming the troops is like...well, let's see, blaming the troops is like:
Building an anti-terrorism compound in the very goddam building that had already been attacked several years earlier; or...
Bringing your mistress to Gracie Mansion while your wife is sleeping; or...
Going onto live radio and blaming the mother of an innocent man who had been shot dead by police for not being a good mother; or....
Using the worst terrorist attack in American history to attempt the fascist maneuver of delaying mayoral elections so he doesn't have to be dragged kicking and screaming from City Hall; or...
The capper? Watching people jump from the burning towers and saying "thank God George Bush is President."
Jesus, and I thought I couldn't hate that hypocritical prick any more than I already do. Thanks, Rudy!
Come on Rudy. Expecting the troops to search for weapons on their own is like expecting your children to stop you from banging your mistress under your wife's nose. Your kids had faith in you, just like the troops had faith in their superiors. Hopefully everyone knows better by now.
But Rudy clearly isn't fit to lick her ass clean after she takes a bush...
Nice thought there, Konopelli. I'll have to wait a while to finish my doughnut, tho. heh...heh...heh...
There Kerry goes again, disparaging... Er, did RUDY say THAT?!?!?!?
What an ass.
We should all give him the GWB 'one-finger victory salute' for disparaging the efforts of the troops, which he seems to hate more than male-pattern baldness.
The atttempt to blame the troops was a dazzling improvisation by the R's, but it ain't gonna play too well with their military voters!
And now, since Bu$hCo have used up all other possible excuses except "the dog at the preznit's order to secure the munitions dumps", I guess the next thing we'll be seeing is an attempt to blame the UN...
The blood is in the water now. The number of comments and leaks will grow and grow, but now it will be the troops and commanders defending themselves against those who still pander to the criminally corrupt and incompetant Bushies. Let them whore themselves to the evil. There won't be a Rethug w/ any integrity left to run against PRESIDENT KERRY in '08. Just make sure to save these comments somewhere to use at a later date.
TAKIN' NAMES BITCHES!!
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
oops, make that "the dog ATE the preznit's orders"!!!!
deflect the blame from W for 5 more days , rudy - hell - cut the troops off at the knees if that what it takes
Funny, I don't see any of the angry trolls anymore...
I think this is going to be the story that dogs Bush until election day. It's the one that, no matter how hard they try, they won't be able to spin it away. At long last, it looks like it may be the inescapable, indefensible, proof that the entire administration is reckless, incompetent, and willing to lie to cover it up. I hope this drags the entire administration into exile and utter disgrace and takes all their lying, spinning surrogates with them.
It's a dream I have.
If Bush gets elected, America is saying to the world "We are the Americans and we approve what he's done"
That's it. Then we take the heat, the blame, and the responsibility for all the evil bungling, and the brakes are gone...they will go full speed with more of the same.
Fuck Rudy! I'm sick of that bastard.
Where do threads go when they disappear from a blog?
I could SWEAR I was writing in a thread about the fuck-up at alQaQaa, but when I refreshed the url, I lost the later threads...WTF????
Blaming the troops is like
Blaming a kid for his own death when he was reaching for his wallet . .
Rudy has the good fortune of being around when things collapse, and emerging from the dust looking like he actually did something. First it was the Dinkins administration, and then it was, well, you know...
Two postings above point out the change in our Presideency.
Casting blame on lowly troops we sent into harm's way, and
Record profits for the oil companies and their investors who are Bush's "natural constituency" (his famous "haves and have-mores" remark).
Put those two together and we have a new slogan for the Oval Office desk:
"The bucks stop here!"
That says it all.
Ed
The Cult of Rudy? I don't get it.
Before 9-11 he was despised in NYC
(as somebody mentioned upthread) and
the idea that 9-11 somehow redeemed
him is absurd. He wasn't great in
the aftermath -- he was merely doing
his job. For a change. And that makes
him Churchill? LIke I said, I don't
get it.
Please, please, please let them run with this argument--all day. Dig the hole deeper. Not only malevolent, but stupid too.
Giuliani is a partisan hack and ass-kisser. He was up here in Vermont a few weeks ago, to give a speech at the Vermont Yankee nuclear energy plant about terrosism and security. He went on and on about how under the Bush administration we are more secure and safer.
We had to look at him like he was on crack. Anyone could walk in here without a lot of ID at almost anytime. We're no more secure than we were on 9/11/01.
Giuliani. From Bush's ass to Giuliani's mouth.
Fuck Rudy! I'm sick of that bastard.
Interestingly, KSTP is a Sinclair station, if I remember correctly.
Also, Rudy is, was, and always has been a dick.
Don't you guys know it was KERRY who said it was the troops fault? All the MW's O say so.
Jaysus.
Atrios hits it on the head (hey, you should start your own blog!) when he says that BushCo was not concerned about securing the missing WMD.
These guys are soldiers and they follow orders - they were ordered to get to Baghdad ASAP; if they had been ordered to secure the site, they would have done it...let's also remember what the troops DID secure, or rather, what the troops were ORDERED to secure. And that was the Oil Ministry.
And THAT'S fucked...
Giuliani is full of al qaqaa
We're no more secure than we were on 9/11/01.
I would wager a whole hell of a lot less secure than on Sept 10. Which suits the Bush Boy, Rove, and Dickhead
just fine.
Oil companies are making beaucoups profits off the shortages caused in part by the war in Iraq, Halliburton is profiteering like a mofo on Iraq, and the Bush Boy, if elected, could not have done so without 10/10.
Even tho it makes no damn sense, further TAIR attacks would just drive the mindless lemmings to the Bush Boy in droves. Makes sense to be less secure in their eyes.
This answers that favorite question of the Bush Administration: Was the world safer with Saddam in power? Hell Yes!
I found it somewhat disconcerting at the time of 9-11-01 that Rudy seemed to somewhat obsess on the casualties to the city's employees to the exclusion of the "civilians" who had died.
By saying this, I don't mean to denigrate the police and fire fighters at all, but did anyone else notice this?
Anyone surprised by Giuliani saying this never lived with him as mayor prior to 9/11. He was leaving office considered one of the most abrassive mayors in NY history. And, that's saying a lot for NYC. He's an opportunity running for a national ticket in 2008 and who has aspirations of being President himself but is considered "too" liberal.
Stevelaw
You have a dream of exile. I have a dream that they get beaten so badly that the only out for them is a bunker and cyanide pills. Is there a bunker big enough for the lot of them?
Does that mean that Rudy "Kick out my wife, move in my mistress" Giuliani is denigrating our troops?
Kerry needs to jump on this immediately because the Bush Administration has been sucking Rudy's tit for so long that this can only make Bush look worse than he already looks.
Is this Giuliani talking, or the new talking point?
Is anyone at fault in Washington?
Is there any leader at this point willing to take on the blame for one iota of their failed leadership?
Who says Iraq is not Viet Nam. History is repeating itself. Politicians made this war and are refusing to take the blame when they themselves move the pawns across the board.
Giuliani has been such a dissapointment.
That fucker went straight to the trough and drank all the Kook Aid he could get.
And the shrub accused Kerry of denigrating the troops?
Those sorry Mutha Fockers.
The guy is was the mayor of NYC, WTF does he know about military policy during the invasion of Iraq?
CK Dexter Haven
Whaddaya expect? H's a politishnin; "Have Gums, Will Flap".
What's cool here is the utter disarray of the Republican "defense" on the AQQ issue. These idiots are running around, as my Mexican friends would say, "Como gallena con pollos".
(Literally, "like a hen with chickens")
OT but MAYBE important- a NY Firefighter has written a book claiming that he found 3 of the 4 black boxes and the FBI took them.
The official govt story is that no black boxes were found at ground zero.
Ain't no buck stopping at this desk.
Sign on W's desk
By saying this, I don't mean to denigrate the police and fire fighters at all, but did anyone else notice this?
bcf
I most certainly noticed this; Giuliani had an extreme fixation on the police officers and firefighters who were killed to the near exclusion of many WTC employees, such as waiters who worked in Windows (restaurant on top floor of one of WTC towers). Giuliani is pyschotic and in a disgusting and cynical effort to extend his term, actually attempted to convince mayoral candidates to delay the city's election so that he could remain mayor past his term. I guess he's a good fit with the GOP; they believe in nondemocratic opportunistic power grabs also.
I love how the wingnuts call us the "blame America first" liberals.
The "Bush blames everyone and everything else" meme has been developing steadily since he refused the first time he was asked to admit a mistake. He refused again during the debates and the news has continued to illustrate the meme. Perfect. It has developed into a full blown disaster for Bush. Hah.
It's true that Bush should be nailed to the wall for this screw up but I have a strong feeling that it will all fade away. I think we have about a day or two before the GOP attack plan rolls out. I don't know what it is going to be about but I think they will come up with something that will push this off the news.
I think that most news organizations think that we have the attention of a 9 year old with ADD. They will let this drop and jump to the new piece of meat without thinking about it.
Obviously, the point Rudy was making, is that Kerry is blaming our troops. Kerry is slaping around the very military he hopes to lead, just as he slaps around the foreign leaders he hopes to work with. He is a say anything to get elected opportunist.
I know many of you can't see that. I know many of you would vote for your dog or Michael Moore rather than Bush. That's what makes America great, that so many of you can be so confused, and still we continue on.
Obviously, the point Rudy was making, is that Kerry is blaming our troops.
Perhaps you've seen some commentary that I have not, but I have NEVER heard Kerry blame troops for Bush's various fiascos, including the missing explosives. Kerry has been quite clear in laying blame at the doorstep of our commander in chief and those he might have delegated in the administration of the war. Clearly, you've made an alternate analysis up that comports with your cartoonish and simpleminded view of the political landscape. Jackass.
For those that are interested you can hear Guliana blame the soldiers here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6351667/
Scroll down to the Guliani video link half-way down.
His blaming of the soldiers occurs at the 1:12 mark
This answers that favorite question of the Bush Administration: Was the world safer with Saddam in power? Hell Yes!
Unbelievable and yet... true.
Their incompetence is beyond reckoning. When Cheney grumbled about Edwards not having a distinguished record, Edwards should have chewed him and Bush to bits for their records - just utterly humiliated him with the truth. No one likes Cheney, so it couldn't have hurt. Without their media shills these clowns would be polling at 14% - or whatever the fundie nutjob percentage of the population is. God I hate our media.
Kerry is blaming our troops.
giuliani : "The actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there."
joe everyday, learn to f*cking read.
I think that most news organizations think that we have the attention of a 9 year old with ADD.
I think the news media are the ones with ADD.
LOOK OVER HERE- Stocks are up, crude oil cost is falling. I am great!!!!!
Giuliani is pimpin for a cabinet pozish. HE WILL SAY ANYTHING.
All this proves that the admin never really cared about WMDs. They just wanted power, and war was the way to get it.
How can a self-respecting (ha!ha!) news organization like NBC News allow such ridiculous indivuduals as Matt and Katie to be on every morning pretending to be journalists. Matt is an idiot and Katie is playing off of sympathy for a dead husband.
Both are total jokes (as well as Ann and Al) and should be shown in journalism schools nationwide as examples to avoid.
Obviously, the point Rudy was making, is that Kerry is blaming our troops. Kerry is slaping around the very military he hopes to lead, just as he slaps around the foreign leaders he hopes to work with.
Quotes, dates, and times. Show us when, where, what he said, and how it "denigrates our troops." Show us one instance where he has blamed the troops. Just one. And failing that, as you will, maybe you could find one from the Vietnam era (hint: he blamed the administration then too).
Here's one: "The actual responsibility for it really would be for the troops that were there. Did they search carefully enough? Didn't they search carefully enough?"
Oooops, that's GIULIANI blaming the troops. That's Bushies 1, Kerry 0 in the Troops Blame Game.
Bush does not equal America. Bush does not equal the flag. Bush does not equal the US military. Bush does not equal the troops. So criticizing Bush equals criticizing Bush.
Rudy also said something like "We've got to finish the job that Osama started" which is not, I suspect, what he really meant to say.
Yeah, Rudy also said something like "We're going to finish the job the terrorists started on September 11." Seriously.
I don't think the Shinseki style old guard at the Pentagon is going to stand for this kind of blame the troops comment. did anyone watch the Frontline the other night on "Rumsfeld's war"? there are serious resentments in the Pentagon and lots more than just Shinseki thought we needed to send hundreds of thousands more troops. They're still there. I do believe we'll be hearing more from Pentagon officials in the coming days about al Qaqaa and more.
actually i believe kerry's position is that this war has been run so incompetently, that it has put the troops at grave risk. the statistics belie this. what ever one may have thought about the legitimacy of engaging in this war, no reasonable minded person could say it has been executed in a competent manner. i think john kerry for personal and professional reasons cares deeply about that.
isn't profiting off of a war, considered a war crime?
profiteer: a person who makes excessive profits , esp. by taking advantage.... or by charging exorbitant prices.
on the backs, sweat and blood of young men/women (and some not so young) yeah, i don't care what the legal definition is, the whole bunch of them and anyone who supports them are war criminals in my mind.
and i can't even comment on rudy, he's only slightly less evil than big dick. and more unctuous than...
To John Ashcroft: Who the hell are these Amnesty International guys, and how dare they condemn the US?
Thank you for stalling on the Plame investigation.
Your daddy.
Oops, looks like Rudy is providing aid and comfort to the enemy, undermining the morale of our troops, and denigrating the performance of our brave men and women in uniform. Why, oh why, does he hate America?
What a putz.
did anyone watch the Frontline the other night on "Rumsfeld's war"?
i fell asleep, but i believe this is on again tonite. from the half i saw, well worth looking at.
Is there a single Republican leader left with the smallest sense of shame? Giuliani is just one more symptom of the gangrenouse infection that the leadership of the GOP represents. It's past time to cut off rotting limb. These morally bereft talking-point automatons are way past their 15 minutes of infamy.
SUCH a niec indication of the total shit that Rudy Giuliani actually is. This is a guy who was almost universally loathed by the citizens who (inexplicably) elected him mayor (twice). If he had not been mayor of NYC on September 11, he would be a little-remembered footnote in NYC history. So now he's got multi-million-dollar speaking engagements to talk about leadership, and is almost universally regarded as some kind of saint. But you know, there are a hell of a lot of NYers who know what this guy is really like, and who know that September 11th was the single best thing that ever happened to that bastard.
Ahem.
Has anyone in the private sector of America whored the tragedy of 9-11 more than Guiliani ?
He turned the burning bodies into bonanza, the wasted life into wealth, the mourning into money, and the sadness into his own salvation.
The grief fed his greed, the anguish fed his arrogance, and he uses that day to divide us.
We don't need you anymore, Rudy. Your best day was our worst and we don't need you anymore.
Even tho it makes no damn sense, further TAIR attacks would just drive the mindless lemmings to the Bush Boy in droves. Makes sense to be less secure in their eyes.
yes, i believe this is so. which is why we can expect some terror warning about the polls any day now.
gotta suppress that vote.
actually abc is holding on to a tape that purports to be a terrorist that claims "blood will run in the american streets" of course you well informed, eschatonian, smart, kerry supporters probably know about this.
the onslaught of info. and disinfo. is overwhelming at times. just the way rove likes it.
Finally! A troll! Sorry, Joe, but Kerry is not blaming the troops, but their bungling, lying CiC--a man who has never taken responsibility for ANYTHING in his ENTIRE LIFE! As a matter of fact, I think my dog could have done a better job with the war in Iraq.
It was the same bastids who put the MISHUN ACCOMPLISHED banner!
Then they ruined the jessica Lynch's script and shamed us all in Abu Grahib!
Quick Quiz:
Was the world more dangerous with Saddam Hussein in power than it is now with George W. Bush in power?
(Hint: the answer starts with "N")
You're absolutely right about Rudy's first responder obsession; whenever something awful happened here in the city my wife and I would bet on which hat he would wear to the press conference. (NYPD? FDNY? EMT? Decisions, decisions...)
He pissed off the NYPD pretty badly by insisting that he give the press conference announcing high profile arrests, rather than the commisioner or arresting officer. He would also say things like "Today, WE arrested..."
Interesting .... most of us New Yorkers who actually experienced this nightmare, not only do we reject Rudolph , we reject Bush . Rudy thinks he speaks for NY and has a patent on 911.
Fuck you rudy HOW DARE YOU SPEAK FOR US NEW YORKERS !!
They've out done themselves -- damn shoulda, woulda, coulda bastards.
They've out done themselves -- damn shoulda, woulda, coulda bastards.
Giuliani's behavior with minorities was particularly despicable. Abner Louima, Patrick Dorismond, Anthony Baez, Amadou Diallo and many others were all victims of NYPD brutality. He never reached out to their families, never once apologized. He rarely met with any of the black or hispanic members of the city council. His stormtroopers on the ground were the strip and search units that would target minorities and humiliate them.
Even his claim of improving crime in NY is dubious, William Bratton (ex NYPD chief) was far more responsible for the reduction but he made the mistake of claiming credit for it. Something that did not sit well with Rudy, the egomaniac. He replaced him with flunkeys, Howard Safir and Bernard Kerik. Yet, for all his love and admiration for the NYPD, he systematically undermined them with wage freezes and cut benefits. Recruitment reached new lows. Sounds like someonme we know.......
I'll be surprised if Rudy gets even 1% of the minority vote if he decides to stand for Senate or makes a presidential run.
Accidentally posting by hitting the button twice a nanosecond apart is a nice feature.
Interestingly, KSTP is a Sinclair station, if I remember correctly.
Also, Rudy is, was, and always has been a dick.
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KSTP is owned by Hubbard Broadcasting, Inc. This is listed on their web site.
Fox News also blames the troops: I caught about 10 minutes of Fox News -- Monday night I think -- and the host spent most of it explaining to his pundit guest that this wasn't a political issue because it was the fault of the troops, not of George Bush.
When will these right-wing loons learn to stop blaming the troops for the President's lack of a plan?
Howard Safir was particularly odious..... IIRC he was caught on camera schmoozing with a Hollwood starlet at an Oscar after party in LA while he was supposed to be on duty in NY answering questions about Diallo.
I'm surprised he could take off his busy schedule of milking 3,000 corpses for money.
But he made time to insult the troops and insulate Caligula from any shred of responsibility.
If we can't get C Plus Augustus and Darth Cheney and Rumsfailed, etc., etc. sent to The Hague in shackles, I vote they get the "Mussolini" treatment. Hung by the ankles at a gas station and then burned to ashes.
Oh, and Joe Everyday? BLOW ME
Selah.
The actual responsibility for this last four years of idiocy rests with the people who voted these clowns into office. And with those who would be gullible enough to do so again.
What happened to the kstp article that was on the front page a little while ago?
http://kstp.com/article/stories/...3723.html?
cat=1
Archive this Giuliani video! Mirror it. Get to Memory Hole or something. It will come in handy when he tries his next run for office.
The Man Who Would Have Been Mayor for life after 9/11--who said little things like NY State Constitution didn't matter as to term limits. He was the Only One who could govern NYC after the attacks. He had his white horse.
Grrrr. Hisssssss.
Me repeat Rove talking point. Me have no brain of my own. Me drink koolaid.
"What happened to the kstp article that was on the front page a little while ago?"
It's back 
Din't Roodee try and kick his wife and daughter out of the NY gov mansion and move his girlfriend in?
Rudy was mayor of NYC, not governor, although there is a rumor going around that he has aspirations in that direction, as well as senatorial.
Rudy is a self-serving opportunist. He did strike exactly the right notes during 9/11, but all that proves is that even mean-spirited, self-righteous jerks can sometimes rise to the occasion.
Apparently Rudy misread his talking points - the offical RNC talking points read:
"Senator Kerry's words only serve to denegrate our troops' actions"
When he was skimming it, Rudy merely read:
"denegrate our troops' actions."
To be fair, you have to get up awfully early to to tape those shows. And the man's a douche.
Why does Rudy hate our troops?
Apparently Rudy misread his talking points - the offical RNC talking points read:
"Senator Kerry's words only serve to denegrate our troops' actions"
When he was skimming it, Rudy merely read:
"denegrate our troops' actions."
To be fair, you have to get up awfully early to to tape those shows. And the man's a douche.
And ANOTHER Chicken Hawk speaks.
I don't understand how ANY veteran or current member of the military could vote for Monkey Boy Bush NOW.
I've always considered Rudy Guiliani one of the biggest phonies/egotists/media hogs and self-promoters around.
Had to LOVE the BS that the GOP put out about how his "cancer" stopped him from being elected U.S. Senator in 2000.
Hillary Clinton would have kicked his ass, just by the minority vote alone.
I never could see how being where he was SUPPOSED to be on 9/11 made him a hero.
Jimmy Breslin wrote a column a couple of months back letting Mr. Serial Adulterer have it (and WHAT do women SEE in HIM? I think he's as repulsive as Dick Cheney AND Bush, at the top of my "Not if you were the last male on earth" list).
He's made a career of a tragedy and continues to do so.
as a native New Yorker, and as a member of a family with a young man serving in the 101st, I'd just like to say if I ever get the chance to meet the current troll or Rudy, there will be little but greasy spots left on the ground after my manifested anger turns into flames and roasts them where they stand.
Here's what my guy who went into Iraq with the 101st told us when he came home 8 months later:
Little support for his unit, they out-ran their supply convoys, often had only minimum water to drink on the rush to Bagdad. When they found a couple of weapon caches, they traded out the rifles given to them by the Army for the ones they found hidden by Saddam's guys, because the US supplied rifles and small arms were crap.
His unit regulary worked 20 hour days, there wasn't enough support , and once they did get to stand down for a few days, they found that the KBR food services sucked, and the cost of buying personal items was jacked up beyond belief.
He's been home for a few months, he's been stopped-lossed for over nine months, and just been told he's going back to Iraq real soon now. Which made his wife, two children and parents real real happy, NOT.
Yeah, blame the troops, then blame those back home who thought getting into this war might be a bad idea. Never blame the CiC, never blame the bastards who 'planned' this war.
Sorry, no snappy comments, I'm just steamed.
Sweet suffering Jesus on the Cross, I'm so tired of Vietnam 2: An Even Bigger Fuck-up then the First Vietnam.
Normally, I would be totally opposed in using homophobia to take someone down, but in the case of Rudy Scumbag, the photos of him in drag! with his two roomates at the time, who were *GASP* homer-sechs-yuls! would be a nice .jpg for a flyer or three.
William Bratton is here in Los Angeles and it's been a bit rocky at times--the LAPD is its own separate nation state here in Los Angeles--but he's slowly reforming things. Now if the white cops who live in the suburbs could stop beating the crap out of people in Compton........
Joe Fuckhead, I'm going to turn you over to a platoon of 11Bs and they will kick the living shit out of you.
You, like the fratboy coward, are utterly beneath contempt.
Hey Joe Everyday...as was pointed out, the "blame the troops" is a republican gambit.
Kerry points out, accurately, that the troops were understaffed, AND did what they were told. If they had been given instructions to secure this KNOWN site, they would have done it.
They weren't.
Here's a clue, whoever was in charge of telling them what to do would be culpable IF they had enough resources. We ALL know who didn't fucking support the troops, and it started at the top. A fuzzy brained president who relied on Rumsfeld, who thought he was a real smart guy, and that the fucking GENERALS that pointed out his planning mistake of doing this "on the cheap" with far less troops got canned, or relagated to the sidelines. They weren't "with the program".
Is there NOTHING you cult-republicans will take responsibility for?
By the way, name any speech where Kerry said it was "the troops" fault.
Please....
Now we can all wait for deafening silence from god ol' Joe.
Eh?
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Like too many human endeavors human sacrifice served a useful purpose before it was corrupted: that of getting rid of stupid vain shallow soul people ( you know like your local tv news team). Mr. Rudy would be first in line at the temple dedicating his measly heart to one of the Gods though BushiePoo would serve a better purpose laboring in the fields clearing brush under the whip of overseers who looked liked Babs and Karen Hughes.
It is absolutely imperative that Rudy Giuliani fuck himself. When he is out stumping for Bush, he always uses the inclusive "we" as in the "intelligence we have." Are all former mayors privy to state secrets? That would be kind of cool...
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