They're pushing Bush so hard, they're getting a hernia. No bad news for Bush on CNN.
Alan S. |
10.30.04 - 11:33 am | #
The iraqi defense minister said he anticipates US forces being in iraq for at least 15 YEARS.
Image the death toll and casualty list over that time period....
Worse than Vietnam?
Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 11:33 am | #
Fuck CNN. i have more contempt for them than Fox at this point. They have become god awful in the past few months.
the awful truth |
10.30.04 - 11:33 am | #
So a few Marines die? Big deal! The Peterson jury is considering lesser charges! Jam Master Jay's killer is still at large! Twins scored identical perfect SAT scores.
Honestly, Atrios, get your priorities straight.
Pat Kelly |
10.30.04 - 11:33 am | #
Mentioned this on a previous thread. These media whores need serious attention after the election. I say we should give CNN back to Ted Turner and rebuild the staff from the ground up.
Doc |
10.30.04 - 11:34 am | #
So a few Marines die? Big deal! The Peterson jury is considering lesser charges! Jam Master Jay's killer is still at large! Twins scored identical perfect SAT scores.
Honestly, Atrios, get your priorities straight.
Pat Kelly |
10.30.04 - 11:34 am | #
Oy. Specially as this is election-fodder. Just not for Bush.
TheaLogie |
10.30.04 - 11:35 am | #
If a tree falls on CNN and no one is watching does it make a noise?
lipreader |
10.30.04 - 11:38 am | #
Fuck, even Fox has a story about the Marines on their site.
CNN is asleep at the wheel this morning.
YDD |
10.30.04 - 11:39 am | #
My question is, will the media begin to connect the dots between the missing explosives and these powerful car bombs? That car bomb had to be pretty damn powerful to take out that many Marines because we know damn well that their vehicles are (finally) armored.
Oh, and F CNN.....
wolf-man |
10.30.04 - 11:40 am | #
Why do dead Marines hate America?
dave |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:40 am | #
I have Yahoo set as my homepage when Firefox opens, and this was the top story. Gave it a 5 to help keep it there. Fucking hell, it HAS to end soon, but there's what? 14 bases being/already built, so that doesn't seem likely.
Jim |
10.30.04 - 11:40 am | #
Damn, even Reuters is whoring. "858 killed in combat since the beginning of the war"? Isn't that about 300 short? No sacrifice is too ultimate for these people to spin and minimize in the service of the RNC.
Doc |
10.30.04 - 11:40 am | #
I think they got the word. There is a story on the webpage as of 11:36 a.m.
Art Vanderlay |
10.30.04 - 11:41 am | #
Finally have it up here but still not the main story.
Doc Ock |
10.30.04 - 11:41 am | #
The story is there - see the small print.
Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 11:42 am | #
Scroll down and vote!
Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 11:43 am | #
Finally! But not the lede.
YDD |
10.30.04 - 11:43 am | #
Looks like the Marines are now #3 under CNN.com's "More Top Stories".
Interestingly enough, Osama bin Forgodden's video has disappeared from their "above the fold" section. Guess the overnights didn't look good for Tipsy on that...
dave |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:43 am | #
I wish they would report the facts. Nine Marines along with 8 killed weren't "wounded" or "injured." They had their goddamn legs, arms and jaws shot off south-east of Baghdad.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 11:44 am | #
CNN better hope Bush wins in 2004. If not I sure hope CNN and Fox are given the Helen Thomas treatment. Backrow and never called on again. Anything less would be an insult to our democracy. God they make you want to SCREAM!!
USAF vet. |
10.30.04 - 11:44 am | #
...and just above the CNN online poll about the Osama video, check out the sculptured hummus heads. I wonder if there is a bust of O'Reilly made out of falafel?
Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 11:44 am | #
People-look over there--Bin Laden. Bin Laden!!!!!!
Sweet Sue |
10.30.04 - 11:45 am | #
8 Marines dying should be at the top of the news.A groups of Dems here in tampa are stepping away from GOTV to honor those who ahve fought. EYES WIDE OPEN is in Tampa today at the University of South Florida.
Over 1000 pairs of empty combat boots--tagged with the names of U.S. soldiers who died in the Iraq war--will be displayed, together with a 24-foot "wall" of names and incidents identifying Iraqi civilian deaths.
October 30, 2004.
11am-5pm-University of South Florida
Marshall Center Room #101 and the Martin Luther King Plaza
Perhaps a few hundred comments on their teensy-weensy "contact us" link at the bottom of the page might help.
And while you're at it, make sure to vote in the daily poll. On who will the Bin laden tape affect most (while noting they have helpfully placed the "No influence" option first).
Treed |
10.30.04 - 11:47 am | #
Has any politician had a worse week before an election than Bush has this week? Even Carter had a better week than this. The only thing propping Bush up now are pundants and the SCLM....
wolf-man |
10.30.04 - 11:48 am | #
I'm going to vote for the guy who would flip flop on sending my son to die rather than the one who would do it without hesitation. - The Onion
parent |
10.30.04 - 11:48 am | #
All we see of the maimed in the media are those missing limbs but there are many with their jaws shot off, blind or paralyzed. I'm not being macabre but I want their 'Murkan GOP Iraqi war stomped down their throats.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 11:48 am | #
It's real simple, he cares more about getting re-elected than if the Marines take extra casualties just waiting for the go-ahead to take Fallujah AFTER the election.
Oh wait, we are supposedly waiting for orders from the Iraqi government before we can go after Al Queda in Fallujah? This is so FUBAR.
Outside the Echo Chamber |
10.30.04 - 11:48 am | #
When Kerry is in the White House, we need to have some intelligent bloggers get White House credentials. That's where the best reporting has come from, in far too many cases.
Out and About |
10.30.04 - 11:48 am | #
People-look over there--Bin Laden. Bin Laden!!!!!!
Goddammit!! PAX TV in Boston is showing pieces of that "stolen honor" shit as an infomercial. Fuckers!!!
BlakNo1 |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:49 am | #
What dead marines? What missing explosives? What Osama bin Laden? Nothing to see here, move along, move along. Go Bush!
«ßÜzh Rµ£éZ¡¡¡¡» |
10.30.04 - 11:50 am | #
All of the media, even NPR, is working overtime for Bush. It makes me so sick to see fascism overtaking democracy in America.
freelove |
10.30.04 - 11:50 am | #
"We are gearing up for a major operation," Brigadier General Denis Hejlik said at a base near Falluja on Friday. "If we do so, it will be decisive and we will whack them."
Goddammit!! PAX TV in Boston is showing pieces of that "stolen honor" shit as an infomercial. Fuckers!!!
In Boston, while the Red Sox parade is going on.
That should really help Bush with the right-wing shut-ins in Boston I guess, all 3 of them.
It's the other places it is playing that is more troublesome.
Attaturk |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:51 am | #
8 marines killed in falluja, this is just heart breaking. My sons best friend is a marine, who as of September 15th was patrolling the
road between Baghdad and Falluja.
A story like this this send shivers down my spine.
And: Three dead in blast outside Al-Arabiya Baghdad office
Suicide car bomber kills U.S. soldier in Ramadi
Falluja airstrike 'kills 5 Iraqis'
Insurgent Attacks Wound Five Iraqis
Car Bomb Kills 7, Injures 19 in Baghdad
Makes you wonder where they get the material to make all those bombs.
elvis56 |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:54 am | #
I'm betting that we wake Tuesday morning find that a massive assault on Fallujah was begun a few hours before dawn eastern time, and it will last as long as the election is in doubt via court challenges in Ohio, Florida, etc.
yep |
10.30.04 - 11:55 am | #
Let me try to make sense of this... Kerry is lambasted for talking about a "global test" for American military operations. Meanwhile, our Marines are awaiting orders from Iraq's interim prime minister, Ayad Allawi, before attacking Fallujah.
OK. I understand now. Worst.President.Ever
Saddlebrook Farmer |
10.30.04 - 11:56 am | #
Hello folks,
I apologize for posting off topi, but I'm on a mission.
I need help. If you care about education greatly, please read my post and pass it on. This must end or more good teachers will leave the profession.
cnn int'l (dish tv) was reporting on the marines and arafat all morning.
cnn-america absolutely f'ing sucks. as bad as the networks have become, i feel more informed watching rather or jennings than anyone at cnn-america.
who the hell needs to see a fluff piece on the first stepford wife for the 100th time?
jeff |
10.30.04 - 11:57 am | #
Didn't I read several months ago that the Saudi government made a huge "advertising" buy on CNN. Since I read that story, I noticed a distinct shift toward simply repeating the Bush campaign bullet points to the exclusion of anything else. Aaron Brown seems to be the only person at CNN who refused to be "bought."
VR |
10.30.04 - 11:58 am | #
Yeah yeah, I realize it's completely ineffective in this instance, still pisses me off tho.
BlakNo1 |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:58 am | #
Hey Pat Kelly and 'bush rulz' -
As a Marine, I'd butt stroke you both with my rifle until your fucking heads fly off your worthless bodies.
If I had my way, you would not live in my America. Freedom of speech of not, those dead Marines give you the right to say what you will.
Someday, you stupid morons might understand what it means to believe in country over party.
In the meantime, theres a special place for you at the end of life.
Hope you enjoy your time in hell.
Semper Fidelis, assholes. Payback is a motherfucker.
Barndog |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 11:58 am | #
MSNBC question of the day is on who will be strongest against Osama
go cast your ballot
artemisia |
10.30.04 - 12:00 pm | #
Do their votes still count?
Dr. Strangelove |
10.30.04 - 12:01 pm | #
I would rather lose an arm or leg than be blinded or have my jaw shot off and would have to survive by a tube the rest of my life.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 12:02 pm | #
Important voter information for you to have and to share:
1. If you are not sure what the poll opening & closing times are for your state, or know somebody who needs this information, go here:
The story was posted on CNN 25 minutes after Reuters ran it. (It is also only the fourth headline.) Yeah, CNN blows.
Pheo |
10.30.04 - 12:02 pm | #
George W Bush... Recruiting and arming terrorists since 2003
sandiaman |
10.30.04 - 12:03 pm | #
The eight marines died in a single incident, but the military hasn't released any details. A massive explosion seems likely, you know, like 500lbs of RDX.
anon |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:05 pm | #
I just want to mention that Aaron Brown has always paid tribute to a couple fallen soldiers per night.
I have always appreciated the fact that he shows their name, rank and when and how they died. It has always been a reminder to and family of the sacrifices of these men and women.
meme |
10.30.04 - 12:06 pm | #
I wouldn't want to live if I was paralyzed like Chris Reeves. The fundies shattered his dreams just like they shatter everything and try to make life a bitch for everyone.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 12:07 pm | #
Barndog - those are sarcasm. Perhaps a bit inappropriate in this thread, but still, with a point, they are on the right side of things (that side being the left side of course.)
yep |
10.30.04 - 12:07 pm | #
CNN is worse than FOX. As mentioned before, no one with an intact brain stem would go to FOX for news. Some are still fooled by "the most trusted source".
Boycott CNN. Even taken on her own, Candy would be reason enough.
EPT |
10.30.04 - 12:08 pm | #
Barndog,
Why be so circumspect?
Tell us how you REALLY feel.
Do you find it unpatriotic that these posters are mocking the media for ignoring the deaths of your comrades in Iraq, or are you just incapable of recognizing IRONY when you see it? I just don't understand where you're coming from at all. So why don't you can the inarticulate death threats, which just make you look like you should be institutionalized, and explain your position coherently, so we can understand why you are so goddamn worked up?
Blerb |
10.30.04 - 12:08 pm | #
Someone I know said that since she's named Candy, Paula's name should be Silicon.
EPT |
10.30.04 - 12:09 pm | #
It's interesting that depite all the bad news active duty servicemen and -women continue to support Bush by a VERY wide margin. (69 - 24 per the latest annenberg report)
I hope that you and kos & Bob Somersby & whoever will consider trying to push CNN away from the dark side where they've ensconced themselves this election cycle. I've given up looking for a liberal cable network as an alternative to Fox. I'd settle for an outfit that stayed in the center. Everyone on CNN is apparently on a permanent audition for Fox.
k harman |
10.30.04 - 12:11 pm | #
Did anybody hear that the military will be able to vote up to 8 days after the election in PA? What are the implications?
Live Free or Die |
10.30.04 - 12:14 pm | #
Kerry better toss Baby Powell out on his ass, re-institute the Fairness doctrine, and go all RICO on these fucking conglomerates. On Day One.
They are doing more damage to this country than a thousand bin Ladens. And they know it.
Break the machine. RICO Big Media.
stranger |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:15 pm | #
Dammit Blerb, get your definitions right. While Barndogs reaction to those posts was rather ironic, the posts themselves were satirical or sarcastic.
yep |
10.30.04 - 12:16 pm | #
Worthless fucks. Life is to be enjoyed and lived and not be only suffered to be whisked off to what? Eternal boredom? Just exactly are they sooo wanting to have, anyway? Streets paved with gold? What does that mean? A mansion in glory with Jerry Falwell next door? Huh?
Rather: Give me a fine wine, exquisite food, witty conversation and a light buzzed sexual interlude afterwards in my material body, thank ya very much. We're all on this train and it's a one-way ticket. Enjoy this one shot at life, folks.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 12:16 pm | #
Think about this before you cast your vote.
Look at the following list of names and consider who they would most likely vote for if they were allowed to vote in our coming election,
Martin Luther King
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Gandhi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Robert Kennedy
Nelson Mandela
Bishop Tutu
The Lorax
When you cast your vote will you be voting the same way as you think the above people will vote?
How closely aligned with these people will you be?
Jimmy James |
10.30.04 - 12:17 pm | #
Can we come home NOW?
8 dead marines |
10.30.04 - 12:17 pm | #
'If I had my way, you would not live in my America.'
Good thing you're not running for public office. Another one who confuses a record of military service for some kind of moral authority.
cost / revs |
10.30.04 - 12:17 pm | #
How's this for a lead 'graph on a peaceful Saturday morning before the tectonic shift on Tuesday?
From the Whore Times BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- Eight American Marines were killed in fighting west of Baghdad on Saturday, the military's bloodiest day in nearly six months. A car bomb killed at least seven people in attack on an Arab television network in the capital, and Iraqi troops fired wildly on civilian vehicles, killing at least 14 people, witnesses and hospital officials said.
Dances with Donkeys |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:17 pm | #
Mission Accomplished.
-
Ahmed Ch(eney)impalabi |
10.30.04 - 12:19 pm | #
OT: Herr Chimperor's radio address. Theme: the war on satire continues.
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. In just a few days, Americans will choose who will lead our country during a time of war and economic opportunity. [...]
Since September the 11th, 2001, I have led a relentless campaign against the terrorists. We have strengthened homeland security. We removed terror regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. We are on the offensive around the world, because the best way to prevent future attacks is to go after the enemy. [Remainder of speech refers repeatedly to the enemy ... Kerry. OBL not mentioned.]
Peanut |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:20 pm | #
If I went to heaven living in my mansion in glory with Jerry Falwell as my next door neighbor, that would be hell. That would be like reincarnated as Hitler's mule.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 12:21 pm | #
Who cares? Soldiers die everyday, that's what war is about. Freedom isn't free.
I know you libruls would love to see their names and pictures and flag draped caskets on TV, but that would just give aid and comfort to our enemies, who still appear on world-wide television to taunt us.
FundieTrollShitHead |
10.30.04 - 12:21 pm | #
Sickening ... 8 more dead ... Dave Ross will speak out to stop this insanity ...
Today's Seattle PI shows Ross running behind Reichert now ...
Reichert's nasty attacks are working.
EVEN if we live outside WA's 8th Cong. Distrct, every one of us
in WA state will be positively affected by Ross's influence in
the U.S. Congress -- as a member of the WA state delegation and
as a voice against Bush's insane policies in the U.S. Congress.
Susan |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:21 pm | #
By the way, while you're over at CNN.com, the freepers are hitting the daily poll to "demoralize" what they call democRATs. It asks if the OBL tape will mean a boost for Kerry, Bush or no effect. Kerry winning bu that will change if the mouth breathers spend all day hitting it. CNN is in my URL link.
Hannity N. Colmes |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:23 pm | #
FundieTrollShitHead - Please give Barndog a heads-up with a /sarcasm tag. Thanks.
Smartass |
10.30.04 - 12:23 pm | #
"Did anybody hear that the military will be able to vote up to 8 days after the election in PA? What are the implications?"
The obvious implication is the same as as it was in 2000 when the Democrats were unsuccessful in their attempts to stop American active duty personnel from casting their vote. Tsk.
Steve Thompson |
10.30.04 - 12:24 pm | #
Anyone see Franklin D. Roosevelt's grandson's Newsweek article on Bush's bullshit claim that he's a "war president?" It's rather good.
After Kerry wins in November, we need to fucking take down Certainly Not News (CNN).
Honestly, with Woodruff, Greenfield, Hagan, that fuckwad with the glasses on the morning show...all they have done during the campaign is question every move that Kerry makes.
Furthermore, they enunciate republican talking point after republican talking point. And they gave the Swifties hours of free air time.
CNN needs to be taken down...and they have been...MSNBC's ratings are higher than CNN's.
Fuck, even Foxnews.com has the 8 marines killed story on their front page. Fox News.com is more balanced than CNN.com? Who knew?
agpc |
10.30.04 - 12:27 pm | #
'As a Marine, I'd butt stroke you both with my rifle until your fucking heads fly off your worthless bodies.'
Does a framed section 8 letter hang next to the other leatherneck memorabilia in the barndog household I wonder???
cost / revs |
10.30.04 - 12:27 pm | #
We're winning at life!
8 dead marines |
10.30.04 - 12:29 pm | #
Fox News Alert
U.S. OFFICIALS CONSIDER RAISING TERROR THREAT LEVEL
gjking |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:29 pm | #
The obvious implication is the same as as it was in 2000...
You mean a bunch of fake ballots cast after election day? Thanks for reminding us...
dave |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:30 pm | #
OT: Eminem musical guest on Saturday Night Live tonight.
busheconomy |
10.30.04 - 12:30 pm | #
Lots of military ballots were thrown out by Republicans in Florida. But, you weren't told that.
Turnip |
10.30.04 - 12:30 pm | #
Does a framed section 8 letter hang next to the other leatherneck memorabilia in the barndog household I wonder???
cost / revs
Fuck you, you little wing nut chicken hawk.
Incognito |
10.30.04 - 12:32 pm | #
MOMENTUM IN ZOGBY AND RASMUSSEN POLLS FOR KERRY!!!
Election 2004 Reuters/Zogby Daily Tracking Poll: Kerry Moves in Front; Kerry 47%, Bush 46%, News Reuters/Zogby Poll Reveals
"Saturday October 30, 2004--Three days to go and the race for the White House is getting even closer.
The latest Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll shows President George W. Bush with 47.9% of the vote and Senator John Kerry with 47.1%. The Tracking Poll is updated daily by noon Eastern.
When leaners are included, it's Bush 48.8% Kerry 48.3. Other candidates attract 1.0% and 1.9% are not sure (half of those who are not sure probably won't vote)."
"Did anybody hear that the military will be able to vote up to 8 days after the election in PA? What are the implications?"
The implications are that the Governor of Pennsylvania (a Democrat) did the right thing by requesting that the deadline for absentee ballots be extended for 8 days because the ballots were 8 days late being sent out, thus making sure that overseas voters get the full opportunity that they are entitled to to have their ballots counted.
Another implication is that we may not know which way PA goes until 8 days after the election (depending on how many ballots whoever carries the state gets on election day).
Robert |
10.30.04 - 12:33 pm | #
I'm done agonizing over every little thing that the media does or doesn't do. Done like dinner.
jus' sayin' |
10.30.04 - 12:33 pm | #
We'd rather have twins.
8 dead marines |
10.30.04 - 12:33 pm | #
Thanks for the love, Incognito. As a wing nut chickenhawk, I'd butt stroke you both with my rifle until your fucking heads fly off your worthless bodies, but then I'm a pacifist.
cost / revs |
10.30.04 - 12:35 pm | #
Now is not the time to cower.
Grand Moff Texan |
Homepage |
10.30.04 - 12:36 pm | #
"We are gearing up for a major operation," Brigadier General Denis Hejlik said at a base near Falluja on Friday. "If we do so, it will be decisive and we will whack them."
Disgusting as it is, some of us have been warning to expect this. But what a bunch of dumbfucks. I rememeber when I was in the AF and you didn't talk about a big upcoming operation, because, well, you know, you didn't want the ENEMY to get wind of it.
But I suppose this is what happens when someone like Bush plays war.
LJ |
10.30.04 - 12:37 pm | #
Contact your local cable operator and ask for CNN to be replaced with CNN International. They'll say they can't do it, but get them to log the complaint and send you a response in writing.
When Kerry gets in, he's going to push for a law that allows people to pick and choose the stations on their cable packages. No more bundling shit.
The basic strength of CNNi proves that its domestic output is done purposefully.
anonymous in nc |
10.30.04 - 12:37 pm | #
cost/rev-
It's not that odd that the troops support the president. Classic cognitive dissonance and obedience to authority. Check out who the German and Japanese troops supported in WWII.
Spinoza |
10.30.04 - 12:42 pm | #
'Classic cognitive dissonance and obedience to authority'
Ahh I get it. So when the unenlisted endorse the war, they're 'chickenhawks', see, but if they are actually enlisted and like fighting and stuff we have to consult the psychiatric journals for an explanation. That explains everything.
cost / revs |
10.30.04 - 12:46 pm | #
The Hearst owned San Francisco Chronicle's online edition (sfgate.com) has relegated the newsflash to a sub-headline on their front page.
Sovereign Eye |
10.30.04 - 12:47 pm | #
You go Grand Moff Texan! Predictably offended lefties there. It's way past time to worry - we all need to beat Rove at his own game. He's not a genius, he just outworks us. It's really simple:
George W. Bush let Osama bin Laden escape! Why is Osama bin Laden still alive?!?
Oh yeah - and Mary Cheney is a lesbian.
yep |
10.30.04 - 12:47 pm | #
Why is OBL still breathing? Why did Bush taunt the terrorist by saying bring 'em on? Why did Bush allow OBL and his gang get the these dangeroud explosives. Why has Bush allowed our troops to go into Iraq unprotected. Why are Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld still around? Why did the president make fun of us not finding WMD's. Why did Bush say mission accomplished? Why are the GOP vote contestors, only challenging poor/black people? Why was Halliburton given a contract against the wishes of the Pentagon? Why does bush lie about everything Kerry says? Why arent the media allowed to call Busha a liar, when they had no such compuntion re Gore/ Clinton? Why isnt the media interested over Bush was wearing during the debate? Will the media allow Kerry to hold no press conferences and to decieve them?
Live Free or Die |
10.30.04 - 12:49 pm | #
No, it isn't so strange. The obedience to authority is there, yes, but, more accurately, there's a DEFERENCE to authority that many military people bring with them, even before they join up. They volunteered for that hoo-ah nonsense, unlike the rest of us schmucks who did because we lived in depressed regions of the country, or other such circumstances of living in the "other" America.
LJ |
10.30.04 - 12:50 pm | #
"Nearly 58,000 absentee ballots for the US presidential election may never have reached Florida's Broward County voters, who had requested them more than two weeks ago, election officials said. State police are investigating the matter, they said. Hundreds of people have called the county elections office to complain that they never got their ballots. The phone system was so overwhelmed some frustrated voters could not get through."
Reading about the 58,000 absentee votes lost in Broward County reminds me of the 2000 election. Remember how on Election Day 2000 when the Broward County vote numbers didn't move for hours. The media reported that sheriffs delivering ballot boxes had gotten lost making delivery of the votes late.
Jeb Bush knows that to keep his promise to Karl Rove to deliver Florida Broward County votes must be lost or Kerry wins.
freelove |
10.30.04 - 12:50 pm | #
Help Me
If the ruling classes wanted the public schools to succeed, they would succeed. I think it is no accident that they can't. It is deliberate and insidious. Almost everybody is in on the conspiracy to keep America DUM including the education departments at the universities who train teachers. Business has taken over everything and are helping to do the job. The fat stuffed unreality based Doctors of Philosophy who train classroom teachers and who have never been in a second grade classroom and who are in some fantasy world about their importance, feel really puffed up to be included in the company of corporate assholes who wine and dine and influence with other monetary presents. Put that together with a racist method of paying for education, it is hopeless.
It is also true that if the upper class and ruling party wanted to have a decent healthcare system for America, we would have it. That is also no accident. Keep the American people Dum, Sick, Off Balance, and in Fear, is their motto while they steal the people blind and produce an even more powerless population.
Heaven help the classroom teachers and the overworked health care workers (as in nurse). Heaven help everybody if this mob retains the White House, the houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court.
Marines dying. Innocent Iraqi women, children and others dying. All so a coward who evaded the Vietnam war could act like a "War President" and get his ego stroked.
It doesn't get anymore perverted or depraved than that folks!!!
May Bushboy & all the Goopers who put him in office rot in hell!!!
Rudy |
10.30.04 - 12:57 pm | #
From a relative that is currently stationed in Iraq:
This troops support Bush stuff is nonsense - it's as split there as it is here, and all the movement is one way - toward Kerry. No one is changing from Kerry to Bush. However - anti-Bush sentiment is actively quashed (got to support the CinC), and the troops are constantly fed the feel-good happy talk from the White House to keep them on message. Add to that the purging of the officer corps to put all the GOP koolaid drinkers in charge and that's quite a phalanx of GOP propaganda to be overcome for a soldier that's just trying to stay alive and do as they're told. Even with all that, the "Bush is a reckless ne'er do well who has no plan" meme is getting through.
But don't forget, they fixed some schools!
Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 12:58 pm | #
Gee, I live in a pretty depressed part of the country, and I've never been tempted to enlist in what is already the most capable military in the world. Nor 'butt stroke' anyone with a rifle butt (yeesh) shouting hoo-ah or whatever.
It's a little difficult to square this 'behind the troops' posturing with the notion that they're either stockholm cases or kill a commie for mommy sociopaths.
cost / revs |
10.30.04 - 12:58 pm | #
Almost everybody is in on the conspiracy to keep America DUM including the education departments at the universities who train teachers.
Cass:
This is one of my BIG pet peeves.
I had one of these fools tell me that teaching kids to spell wasn't important, because, you know, it "STIFLES THEIR CREATIVITY."
I told her, look, you stupid wank ho, the point of learning language isn't to be fucking creative, it's to learn how to COMMUNICATE in a rational, coherent manner, and you cannot do that if you don't know the rules of how that works. Like fucking spelling right so people know what word you mean! With English, especially, that's kinda important!
My analogy on top of it was that Mozart's dad didn't put him before a piano or violin and let him be creative with the strings. Papa Mozart started with the basics and worked up. He taught about the notes and which keys/strings made a note. He taught the scales and chords. He made Wolfie practice all of it, over and over and over, until they were part of him. Not by letting him hit a C when he needed to hit a B flat, and not correcting him because, well, we don't want to stifle his creativity! BULL FUCKING SHIT. How far would Mozart have gotten with an attitude like that? ARGH!
Needless to say, she and I didn't have anything else to say to each other after that.
LJ |
10.30.04 - 1:06 pm | #
If the media didn't kiss-up (suck-up?) to the Goopers and the American rightwing, Bushboy would be known for the dimwitted, incompetent, liar and fool that he is.
Instead they cover it up and there's a neverending line of mediawhores who will sing Bushboy's praises!
Erasmus had it right when he called it, "In praise of folly!"
Rudy |
10.30.04 - 1:07 pm | #
Military leaning toward Kerry
Saw a report from Jane Arraf (sp?) this am. She said that while the military is reluctant to talk about the election once they get started it is hard to get them to stop. She too said it was pretty much evenly divided but that everyone has noticed a shift to Kerry in the past few days
dmac
dmac |
10.30.04 - 1:10 pm | #
Gee, I live in a pretty depressed part of the country, and I've never been tempted to enlist in what is already the most capable military in the world.
Gee, cost, maybe you haven't lived as some of the people in those areas have lived. Maybe you haven't known real desperation. Ever live without running water or electricity?Ever live in a place where there are NO jobs available-not even McDonalds?
It's easy to sit in judgment on others. It's far more difficult to understand. And to assume that everyone in the military is hoo-ha, rip off their ears or whatever warped notion you have of them paints a brush over people who may not share those sympathies.
Lighten up, buddy. Barndog is a good enough guy. He just gets a bit fired up at times. We all do. See my post above.
LJ |
10.30.04 - 1:10 pm | #
The worst mediawhores in America:
Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, Bob Novak, Annthrax Coulter, Lurid Ingraham, Flush Limbo, The Savage Savage, Gordon Liddy, FAUX NEWS (virtually every talking head), Dennis Miller and more.
You can't turn the TV on without catching one of these frauds spouting and dissembling for the rightwing fascist party of America, the Goopers!!
Rudy |
10.30.04 - 1:12 pm | #
The worst mediawhores in America:
Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, Bob Novak, Annthrax Coulter, Lurid Ingraham, Flush Limbo, The Savage Savage, Gordon Liddy, FAUX NEWS (virtually every talking head), Dennis Miller and more.
You can't turn the TV on without catching one of these frauds spouting and dissembling for the rightwing fascist party of America, the Goopers!!
Rudy |
10.30.04 - 1:12 pm | #
Oh wait, we are supposedly waiting for orders from the Iraqi government before we can go after Al Queda in Fallujah? This is so FUBAR.
Who else is qualified to tell us when the insurgents have all left the city? You don't want more dead marines than necessary, right?
3000 Iraqis have already fled the city, according to reports. The Iraqi gov, says that only the fighters and a few civilians are left behind. That means it's safe to kill anyone left because they must be insurgents.
Weaseldog |
10.30.04 - 1:12 pm | #
Ooops, 300,000 Iraqis have fled...
Hrmm, where they all interviewed?
Weaseldog |
10.30.04 - 1:14 pm | #
oh, I'm sure it will be a top story soon as one the folks there loses a kid
went to a party last night, of course the talk turned to the election...one lady, whose son is in Iraq, said she was terrified that Kerry would get elected and that her son would die over there as a result....
it is hard to believe people can really be that dense....I feel sorry for her that her son is over there, but for her to actually believe that the son's plight is better with Bush at the helm...unbelievable...
coffeequeen |
10.30.04 - 1:21 pm | #
LJ
I had one of these fools tell me that it wasn't important to teach the kids to spell.
Yes, we must have been in the same class with the same fool. Only I was told that business says this because we have spell checkers (and calculators, etc.) and that business needs people who can do computers. We don't need anybody who can spell, or write, or identify a noun, or a double negative, or know nominative case from objective case, or even add or subtract. (Head of the Ed. department, major University, large major powerful state). Also this man was one who helped to dum down the SAT about ten years ago. Very important feller!!!
I never taught again.
Kerry Edwards all the Way!!
Cass |
10.30.04 - 1:22 pm | #
I posted this on the previous thread, but I think it's important: November's National Geographic has a picture of a Marine logistics officer who had to bring his own map and GPS to Iraq.
How incompetant and/or tightfisted is the Pentagon that they can't even give the convoy director a damn map?
And we wonder why so many troops are dying and why those explosives weren't secured?
Maybe if they had a friggin map...
(Scanned in picture and source on my homepage--not trying to blogwhore, but this particular section isn't included in the online version of the magazine).
Dorothy |
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10.30.04 - 1:29 pm | #
Top priority for Democrats after Kerry wins is to correct the media's right wing tilt. If we win back the Senate or the House, Kerry should try to get the balanced media rule back on the books. In any case, he should move to break up concentrated media ownership.
We progressives should move against those news outlets most susceptible to pressure. I recommed going after CNN & the Washington Post, both of which depend on a significant share of moderate & liberal viewers to stay afloat. Email them on any story biases, email their advertisers telling them you can no longer buy their products because of where they advertise. A few years of such efforts they'll refocus or go down the drain. I guarantee it. Look what we did to Sinclair.
Carter |
10.30.04 - 1:32 pm | #
3000 Iraqis have already fled the city, according to reports. The Iraqi gov, says that only the fighters and a few civilians are left behind. That means it's safe to kill anyone left because they must be insurgents.
Remember the disabled Bradley that the Apache unloaded on, when it was crawling with "civilians"?
By now, everyone in Iraq who isn't in the "Coalition forces" is, ipso facto, an "insurgent."
Or might as well be.
The ones who really aren't, are collateral damage anyway. It's not like it matters. I mean, they aren't Americans or something. 'Cause if they were, we wouldn't be drawing all the terrorists there so we could kill 'em (along with the 100,000 Iraqis we've already killed in our "War on Terror"). 'Cause if that was our plan, we'd just wait for the next terrorist attack in the continental U.S. Or start bombing Florida.
Robert M. Jeffers |
10.30.04 - 1:34 pm | #
8 apparently.
one thing i've noticed is that cnn.com is just really slow; big stories are always up on nytimes.com and washingtonpost.com hours before they show on cnn.com.
thompson |
10.30.04 - 1:35 pm | #
If we win back the Senate or the House, Kerry should try to get the balanced media rule back on the books.
Carter
Fuck a balanced media. I want a TRUTHFUL media.
Is that too much to ask for? Honestly?
bcdm |
10.30.04 - 1:35 pm | #
Military leaning toward Kerry
Saw a report from Jane Arraf (sp?) this am. She said that while the military is reluctant to talk about the election once they get started it is hard to get them to stop. She too said it was pretty much evenly divided but that everyone has noticed a shift to Kerry in the past few days
dmac
dmac | Email | Homepage | 10.30.04 - 1:10 pm
I saw that too, and was impressed. Arraf is a good reporter, formerly with Reuters, and she gets out into the country sometimes. If as she said, most troops think it makes no difference and won't vote, that is horror story for aWol. (She is referring to troops in-country, but they talk it all around.) And if she was also correct, that most (or even a significant minority) of those that are motivated to vote break for Kerry, that is the mother of all nightmares for bushco, especially in Florida. Her reporting matches with the scuttlebutt I hear from over there: the troops know they're fucked no matter what, sugar-coating from some brass hats notwithstanding.
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Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 1:37 pm | #
the news media are an unelected branch of government.
they backed the wrong horse (bush, iraq war...etc.)
why would they admit a mistake anymore than their republican masters would?
blackcataustin |
10.30.04 - 1:48 pm | #
There's a difference between media whores & right wing broadcasters. Media whores are basically careerists who shift their perspectives based on what's most advantage for their careers. Regarding CNN: Media whores include Judy Woodruff, Wolf Blitzer, Candy Crowley, Henner (who doesn't have a brain cell in his head).
Right wing ideologues include Bill Schneider, Howie Kurtz (whose day job is the WP), the swarmy guy who does the morning analysis (help me out here), Tucker & the other Crossfire talkers.
I agree with LJ. Barnyard Dog is a good member of this forum. As a military man, he's very sensitive to our boys that are killed. Obviously, the people posting about the marine deaths were mocking the media & the Bush Administration ignoring these deaths. So Barnyard - these posters were not denigrating our boys that made the ultimate sacrifice, rather the media & Bushies that put them there. The rest of you people - give Barnyared some slack; this is a very emotional matter.
Carter |
10.30.04 - 1:56 pm | #
If there were any justice in the world, Bush would not be elected, but instead would be sentenced to serve another 4 years to clean up his Iraqi mess, in a black and white uniform, and with a ball and chain attached to his ankle - and his family fortune would be confiscated to help compensate his victims. (To merely throw him out of office is not justice - he has not even admitted any mistakes.)
The US is fortunate that Kerry is willing to take on the dirty job.
Dorothy M. Ligon |
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10.30.04 - 1:56 pm | #
Important voter information for you to have and to share:
1. If you are not sure what the poll opening & closing times are for your state, or know somebody who needs this information, go here:
How many do you think it should be, Atrios?
Dave in NYC |
10.30.04 - 2:12 pm | #
FWIW, the eight Marines killed was announced in a headline summary on CNN Saturday Morning shortly before 10:00 a.m. EST.
Swift Loris |
10.30.04 - 2:24 pm | #
Since we are talking about dead Marines, perhaps you would like to know the real reason for their deaths:
GWB has an inferiority complex the size of TEXASS:
The idea concerns the fact that this country wants nostalgia. They want to go back as far as they can – even if it's only as far as last week. Not to face now or tomorrow, but to face backwards. And yesterday was the day of our cinema heroes riding to the rescue at the last possible moment. The day of the man in the white hat or the man on the white horse - or the man who always came to save America at the last moment – someone always came to save America at the last moment – especially in “B” movies. And when America found itself having a hard time facing the future, they looked for people like John Wayne. But since John Wayne was no longer available, they settled for George Bush – and it has placed us in a situation that we can only look at – like a “B” movie.
Come with us back to those inglorious days when heroes weren't zeros. Before fair was square. When the cavalry came straight away and all-American men were like Hemingway to the days of the wondrous “B” movie. The producer underwritten by all the millionaires necessary will be Dick Fuck You Cheney – no more animated choice is available. The director will be Carl Rove, running around frantically declaring himself in control and in charge. The ultimate realization of the inmates taking over at the asylum. The screenplay will be adapted from the book called “Voodoo Economics” by George “Papa Doc” Bush. Music by the “Village People” the very military "Macho Man."
“Company!!!”
“Macho, macho man!”
“ Two-three-four.”
“ He likes to be – well, you get the point.”
“Huuut! Your left! Your left! Your left…right, left, right, left, right…!”
A theme song for saber-rallying and selling wars door-to-door. Remember, we're looking for the closest thing we can find to John Wayne. Clichés abound like kangaroos – courtesy of some spaced out Marlin Perkins, a Reagan contemporary. Clichés like, “itchy trigger finger” and “tall in the saddle” and “riding off or on into the sunset.” Clichés like, “Get off of my planet by sundown!” More so than clichés like, “he died with his boots on.” Marine tough the man is. Bogart tough the man is. Cagney tough the man is. Hollywood tough the man is. Cheap stick tough. And W's substantial. The ultimate in synthetic selling: A Madison Avenue masterpiece – a miracle – a cotton-candy politician…Presto! Macho!
Look at the following list of names and consider who they would most likely vote for if they were allowed to vote in our coming election,
Martin Luther King
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Gandhi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Robert Kennedy
Nelson Mandela
Bishop Tutu
The Lorax
When you cast your vote will you be voting the same way as you think the above people will vote?
How closely aligned with these people will you be
Jimmy James |
10.30.04 - 3:49 pm | #
I wonder if the US media has reported that the Black Watch came under mortar fire last night in Mahmudiyah, and that they did not go out on patrol today...
kathy |
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10.30.04 - 3:56 pm | #
We're all wearing the flight suit now.
Earl Scheib |
10.30.04 - 4:06 pm | #
Another atrocity...
After the US convoy had moved through Haswa, Iraqi National Guard and police moved in and began firing in all directions. They shot up 6 passenger cars, 3 minibuses and 3 buses. Dr. Salah al Janabi at the hospital of Iskandariyah said 15 bodies were bought in and another 20 wounded. More dead and injured were transported elsewhere. At the scene, there were hundreds of empty shell casings, bodies shot through of holes in the aisles of the buses and all over the street.
kathy |
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10.30.04 - 4:23 pm | #
Been asking myself the same question. It seems there is a minimum per diem figure that CNN adheres to. One or two a day; not worth bumping the Scott Peterson news down a line. I guess that EIGHT in a day actually qualifies as news.
cory |
10.30.04 - 4:28 pm | #
I say we should give CNN back to Ted Turner and rebuild the staff from the ground up.
If he can entice lovely Lynne Russell back, he will have my eternal thanks.
cory |
10.30.04 - 4:29 pm | #
i bet those marines are unhappy to be chasing Iraqis around the 'hood, like they're some kind of uber-cop, not shocktroopers. On the other hand, perhaps shocktroops prepare for urban assault these days...
kathy |
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10.30.04 - 6:22 pm | #
LJ -
I'm so with you on the spelling thing. And the grammar thing!
My sister, who just recently retired from decades of teaching in NJ, had to act as a subservsive:
Having been forbidden to teach "too much" grammar, and ABSOLUTELY forbidden to teach diagramming sentences, she went ahead and did it anyway. She just had to keep her eyes and ears open for when school officials were scheduled to sit in on her classes for regular "evaluation" sessions.
Kate |
10.30.04 - 7:39 pm | #
cant believe they dont mention this anywhere on their front page.
Anonymous |
10.30.04 - 8:03 pm | #
like they're some kind of uber-cop, not shocktroopers
Having some contact with Marines in al Anbar, I can tell you that you could have taken your words directly from their mouths. Except that 'unhappy' might be less colorful than their phraseology as I recall. "We're not cops, that's not how we're trained, but we're doing the cop's job because they can't." And although they have been training in recent years in urban assault, this is not that.
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QuentinCompson |
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10.30.04 - 8:36 pm | #
This says it all:
"Many US soldiers believe Fallujah has become a matter of political expediency. The marines, in particular, are still bitter about last April, when, against the wishes of their commander, the highly respected Lt-Gen James Conway, the White House and the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, ordered a punitive attack on the town after the lynching there of four American security guards.
"The marines were on the verge of taking Fallujah after days of bitter fighting when the order to withdraw came as polls showed Mr Bush's job approval rating had fallen to 43 per cent. Fallujah has since reinvigorated the resistance and spread rebellion across the country.
"Troops want to know why theoperation has been delayed until now, when waves of car bombers have been coming into Baghdad for several months. The deployment around Fallujah only really began after bombers struck at the centre of US power in Iraq, the Green Zone in the capital, where two bombs caused huge adverse publicity for the Bush administration.
"Even before the exodus, caused by US airstrikes and the prospect of an attack, Fallujah was a small town with a population of 400,000. Now it is under 50,000. The US estimate for the number of insurgents there is around 3,000.
"On paper it should be an easy victory. But many insurgents have managed to slip through the net, and are believed to be reinforcing those already in Ramadi, the Iskandariyah triangle, and Baghdad. "
The Wash Post has an article that says that the nine Marine deaths and nine wounded were the result of a car bomb. Must have been a hellacious car bomb.
So we are back to the issue of the unsecured/undestroyed ammo and explosives.
Outside the Echo Chamber |
10.30.04 - 11:18 pm | #
It'll be worthy of mention once we have a Democratic Administration. Then everything will no longer be Clinton's fault, but Kerry's.
Michael Hawthorne |
10.31.04 - 9:23 am | #