I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Draft Frist!
Nice try. The kiddoes have been talking about this issue for months.
Most college kids know Republicans are uncool. They always sound like dorks when they try to be hip. It would be like Richard Nixon trying to give a high five.
Huh?
I don't get it.
And didn't Rock the Vote have that big stink with Ed Gillespie threatening them for saying they feared a draft if the Republicans stayed in power, or something like that?
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What I meant is the post was confusing. Most college kids though are smart enough to understand that Bush is much more likely to reinstate the draft than Kerry. So this seems like wasted effort for the GOP.
What's not to get? The Republicans are trying to paint an entire party with a brush that works on only one Democrat.
Smart of them, I think. They always win or at least come out even when they fuzz up an issue. But college kids are pretty savvy so we'll have to see if it works.
OT
What's up with the Newsweek poll that has W gaining momentum?
Isn't the bill there? Isn't it real?
It's irresponsible for either candidate to say that they categorically WON'T reinstate the draft.
OT: anyone listening to the BBC special from Miami on NPR about the election happening right now? calls from all over the world. i've been listening in fits and starts, so i'm not sure if there is a strong sentiment or current of opinion clearly in one direction or another...
what IS clear is that the BBC interviewer, instead of letting the caller just speak in shorthand "I won't for Kerry b/c of terrorism" (meaning what, really??) he is actually forcing people to go beyond superficiality and slogans (on either side). quite refreshing, really...
We need a push poll in IA asking if it would influence one's vote to learn that Bush is a pig fucker. It's been reported people saw this first hand.
I've actually been expecting Rangle's bill to be used. Good thing RTV gave Gillasspick the finger.
Man that must be true. That guy's honest, like all republicans. Well. Maybe he means well. Wait. If he doesn't even mean well, why are we talking about him? Oh yeah. He's an asshole.
Isn't the bill there? Isn't it real?
It's irresponsible for either candidate to say that they categorically WON'T reinstate the draft.
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My 21 year old college son thinks it's laughable. We're in PA, but I can't imagine that kids in Iowa are that much more gullible. BTW, doesn't this mean that the Repukes are admitting that a draft is indeed a possibility, and highlighting it in the minds of the potential IOWA draftees? Who will these kids want in charge when this thought crosses their minds? Not Bush.
My son and all of his friends are first time committed voters--for Kerry! (And they are not counted in the polls.)
Yes, the bill is an effort by the congressional black caucus to stop the economic draft we have now, where the children of the poor (and usually minorities) end up fighting and dying in wars like Iraq, where our leaders don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak. They figure if the pain is distributed evenly, to the children of the rich and middle classes, we won't go to war unnecessarily.
Worth reading on the subject of family involvement is James Roosevelt Jrs article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6364.../site/newsweek/
My sister, who lives in Iowa, received this in the mail this week.
This is pathetic!
Anyone with half a brain saw this coming when Rangel did that. I understand his motivation but it is just begging for a Rethug dirty trick like this that distorts (or in fact ignores) the context of the bill.
Sewer:
Yes, it is irresponsible.
The best way to counter this is to remind college students that a draft is already taking place, in the form of a back-door draft of people who were eligible to get out, but weren't allowed, of IRRs being called up, after they thought they were done with the "active" part of their enlistment, of National Guard and Reserves being active far more than one weekend a month/two weeks a year, leaving behind good-paying jobs and the families who depended on them. And etc.
OT: the nytimes article on saturday about undecided voters gives away the complete inadequecy of their own polls. they drop the fact that their polls on oct14-17 show that 11% of bush voters are voting for kerry but 7% of gore voters are voting for bush. their tracking poll on the same date showed a 46-46 rv tie with a 47-46 lv tie. those 2 results cannot logically coexist because gore won the last election. so if their own polls show more bush switchers their numbers are fucked up and they should know it and answer for it.
Sorry about that, there was supposed to be the text of a letter in there. The letter read:
Dear Amanda,
The military has found the floor plans of a San Diego school in a terrorist camp in Iraq.
I recall that one of the 9-11-01 terrorists spent time in Cedar Rapids. Are there floor plans for any Midwest school over there? Does it really make sense to consult the U.N. or other countries prior to defending our children from Islamic terrorists?
Please join me and vote for President Bush on November 2nd.
Sincerely,
Concerned Grandma
conscription is only a political liability if there is a war. the republicans are the war supporters.
Eschaton is coming up on MSNBC. They just showed it live.
kissfan, that is the most laughable "letter" I've seen in ages.
Yeah, we should vote for Bush because that would be a "historical document" to him (if it existed), the same way the August 6, 2001 PDB was a historical document saying "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside U.S."
What a stupid joke.
The NYTimes recently ran an article about the Bush administration's already existing plans for a draft.. forced conscription of medical personnel. It's already in the NYTimes paid archives, but if you search on "medical draft" it comes up within the first few abstracts.
A draft is a hidden tax burden on communities. It removes providers of vital services like medical care, and reduces tax revenues to state and local community by removing taxpayers.
Have you contacted your media whore today?
http://www.fair.org/media-contac...ntact-
list.html
My big question:
Do the Repugnicans believe all this shit, or are they as cynical as I assume they are?
Are they stupid or evil? I guess it doesn't matter, but maybe someone could enlighten me.
OT, but another outrage looming in FL.
Link to this WAPO story, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...-
2004Oct29.html to learn how EPA plans to find families in Duval County, FL with children (age 2 & under) to use as guinea pigs. For up to $970 per family, the study is to see how rapidly the kids absorb pesticides and what effects they have.
From the Oct 18 issue of Chemistry and Engineering News, about the study:
"The children chosen to participate must live in homes with potential high pesticide use. Their parents must agree to spray or have pesticides sprayed inside their homes routinely during the two-year study period, and will receive up to $970 for participating."
The study is run/funded by the American Chemical Council, EPA, CDC, and the Duval Co Health Dept.
From the 22-29 October Guardian (via WAPO)
"In 2000, 42% of ballots rejected by the Duval Co election board came from mainly black areas."
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I recall that one of the 9-11-01 terrorists spent time in Cedar Rapids. Are there floor plans for any Midwest school over there?
Utter bullshit. A muslim in Cedar Rapids was swept up in the Ashcroft-fueled antiterrorist hysteria. He provided faked IDs to illegal immigrants, which was sufficient to label him a terrorist under new Patriot Act guidelines. After much investigation, no connection was ever made to any actual terrorists.
oops, sorry for the unclosed italics
today we received three of the glossy anti-kerry brochures that had been arriving at about one every other day.
Think about this before you cast your vote.
Look at the following list of names and consider who they would most likely vote for if they were allowed to vote in our coming election,
Martin Luther King
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Gandhi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Robert Kennedy
Nelson Mandela
Bishop Tutu
The Lorax
When you cast your vote will you be voting the same way as you think the above people will vote?
How closely aligned with these people will you be
This won't work. College kids are watching Eminem's "Mosh" video, that will swing many more people than this desperate last minute attempt by College Republicans.
Bush is the war monger. No ads are going to change that perception.
Their whole campaign is one of lies.
I for one won't spend one second recognizing the legitimacy of his "election" if Bush manages to defeat democracy and secure the White House again.
Do the Repugnicans believe all this shit, or are they as cynical as I assume they
are?
Short answer: yes.
The level of cynicism that enabled
them to even consider Bush as a
presidential candidate is almost
beyond belief.
Frankly, they've got a point. Rangel has pulled no punches about his reasons in advocating a resumption of the draft, and I think he's right.
This rubbish that our nation can blithely pursue the military course which has been charted for it is irrational. Between the (mis)administration's lies, which proclaims the status quo sufficient, and Kerry's assurance that no draft will be required, hangs reality.
"No draft will occur in my administration". George Bush and/or John Kerry.
"I've a secret plan to end the war in Vietnam, and with honor". Richard Nixon.
For Christ's sake, use the brain God gave you. Over and out.
Republicans fall into three general categories:
1) Evil
2) Ignorant
3) Both 1 & 2
It's just another example of how desperate the Republicans are. They have nothing to run on, and they never have. All they had was fear, fear, fear while they looted the store. At least I can respect the Costra Nostra code of honor, but this? It's a sad joke.
They know they're going to lose, and they can't stop us. Stupid nodnarbs.
still - thanks a lot Charley. Legislation shouldn't be performance art, and we get plenty of that on both sides of the aisle.
Republicans don't seem to understand their audience. The stuff that works on trialer trash Christians (no offense, but it's true) might lose you votes among college students.
I live in Iowa. I was in the post office yesterday picking up mail when my neighbor, a sweet 82 y/o lady got a GOP mailer with the "DRAFT!" scare message.
She just glanced at it, saw the Republican logo and the word "draft," muttered, "Why do those damn Republicans want to start the draft up again?"
Then she tossed it in the trash.
Rangle's bill was already voted on, I thought, even he didn't vote for it. It was a protest gesture aimed at the economic conditions that make the military the only option for many otherwise disadvantaged young people.
Personally, I think it was a clumsy granstanding effort on Rangle's part, something of a tin ear moment, though I don't dispute the argument he's making.
I wouldn't pay much attention to anything that goes out on the air the next few days unless it originates somewhere beyond the reach of either party or its operatives. Furthermore, anyone swayable by anything that appears in the next few days is not someone you want to pay any attention to anyway.
K/E in a landslide.
Mars bitch!
GOTV
Eyes on the Prize.
Keep hope alive.
Invest in paper shredder manufacturing companies.
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Where are we going? And why are we in this handbasket thingie?
Broken news: Ridge trotted out to ramble aimlessly and obfuscate shamelessly.
Invest in paper shredder manufacturing companies.
The hot tip in the "Post-November-2nd economy"
And Rangel-protest votes suck! Just ask Kerry. Don't give them anything. Besides, Democrats in the House can't even go to the bathroom without permission from the BugMan.
Just got back from le tour de neighborhood. 180 homes. No yard signs=154, Kerry signs=25, Bush signs=1.
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The Republicans have a consistent and disturbing history of accusing their opponents of the very things that they themselves are doing. (I believe Arianna Huffington called it "projection")
So I take this as a sort of Bizarro admission that the GOP will reinstate the draft if elected.
But then, we already knew that....
yeah kei & yuri...i now have six glossy flyers from the rethugs and 5 from the dems defending themselves. do these things work? i mean, isn't every american alive so jaded by now between publishers clearing house sweepsstakes and e-mail spam that the just don't give a damn?
Ridge: all is well. You're safer than you were 6 months ago. Safer than you've ever been. We're not raising to Orange. We're just increasing security everywhere. Political motivation? Of course not.
cut is out, jimmy james. sheesh...go down by the streetcorner, will ya?
We're just increasing security everywhere.
...Security wasn't already increased? What the f*ck do we pay you for anyway?
Atrios,
don't forget to set your clock back one hour - now!
Best,
Helga
Duncan, I AM THE ONLY ONE who is wanting anything like a draft! Check out my web site, if you don't believe me;
Engage 200,000 Americans A Year In "Service For College"
John Kerry and John Edwards will offer a simple deal to hundreds of thousands of America's young people: if you will serve for two years in one of America's toughest and most important jobs, we will cover four years of tuition at a typical public university.
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/...tional_service/
I have all you fuckheads eating out of my hand.
Someone read this story by Newsweek on MSNBC and tell me if they are saying their poll is based on ONLY 153 respondants? The statistic is way down in the story. And it's a glowing report for Bush.
http://tinyurl.com/5p8w4
They are saying Bush has a 50-44 lead in likely voters, with a margin of error of 4 percent, or 9 points spread. So they are still a dead heat.
Still, this story seems so totally misleading.
Roddy - I believe the master, Gary Frazier, said it best when he said:
"These brownshirts are projecting like the octoplex down at the mall."
Thanks Gary, even months later I still laugh every time I think of that.
San Diego Union-Tribune:
Homemade security catches act on tape
ENCINITAS – Pete Nolan said he knew he had to do something after someone made off with his 20-foot-long sign opposing the governor's recall last year.
This time around, Nolan wanted to show his support for John Kerry and John Edwards with an equally-huge sign on his garage, but he had a feeling it would also attract thieves or vandals.
So he pieced together a homemade security system, installing a motion-activated alarm and floodlight and a video camera near the 5-foot-tall nylon sign.
This week, Nolan caught his first victim.
A man triggered the alarm and light Tuesday just before midnight as he ripped the sign, which is highly visible to traffic on Encinitas Boulevard, from the wall, according to an incident report filed with the Sheriff's Department.
Nolan said the man dropped the sign after realizing it was firmly attached to the structure by a thick rope, then jumped a fence and jogged south onto North Vulcan Avenue.
As neighbors called the Sheriff's Department, Nolan said, he chased the man, caught up to him near Vulcan and Encinitas Boulevard, grabbed his arm, then tackled him and "sat on him until the police got there."
The suspect, whom the sheriff's report identified as Jessie Irvin Mathews, 22, of Vista, initially told deputies that Nolan had "jumped him and tried to rape him" for no apparent reason, Nolan said.
One problem with that: Mathews was caught on camera pulling the banner off the garage and starting to run away with it, according to the incident report.
After viewing the tape, deputies transported Mathews to their Encinitas station and cited him for attempted petty theft.
Nolan, 40, said he "had a pretty good feeling" he would catch someone in the act and was overjoyed that his homemade security system did its job.
"It's my Republican trap," he said."
Nolan, however, said he regrets that he couldn't make out the license plate of a pickup that pulled up during the chase. He said the driver yelled at Mathews, urging him to "hurry up," before driving off.
"The FLN estimated in 1962 that nearly eight years of revolution had cost 300,000 dead from war-related causes. Algerian sources later put the figure at approximately 1.5 million dead, while French officials estimated it at 350,000. French military authorities listed their losses at nearly 18,000 dead (6,000 from noncombat-related causes) and 65,000 wounded. European civilian casualties exceeded 10,000 (including 3,000 dead) in 42,000 recorded terrorist incidents. According to French figures, security forces killed 141,000 rebel combatants, and more than 12,000 Algerians died in internal FLN purges during the war. An additional 5,000 died in the "café wars" in France between the FLN and rival Algerian groups. French sources also estimated that 70,000 Muslim civilians were killed, or abducted and presumed killed, by the FLN".
I'm confused. I don't see Charlie Rangel's name anywhere on my ballot.
OT:
Decca - thanks for the Salon tip, it was exactly what I was looking for.
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If any draft comes up, they need to make sure Dick Cheney and George W Bush get to go. They desperately need to get out there and do their fightin duty for the good ole US of A.
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Nixon was cool. He was on Laugh-In, remember?
College kids are smart enough to know that the only way to avoid a draft is to vote out Bush, and his agenda of neverending war.
Mars, bitches! Kerry/Edwards in a mutherfukkin righteous tsunami!
You can't outwork, outspend, outlie fuckin Rebub mouthbreathers. Only one way to beat the fuckers. Dry up their corporate sponsors. Quit cable teevee.
SCLM cable stations have done exactly no exposure of the world of hurt the Army and Marines are actually in and why we might need a draft regardless of who is president. I sure as hell wouldn't trust Bush to use it.
Too late. The game's over for the moment.
The only things still up for grabs are local elections - I, for example, have to grit my teeth and vote Republican for my local JP, who in his role properly dealt with a small claims court case I had before him. I'll be doing much the same thing for my local Constable - because I used to work with him and I know he's a complete layabout and all round good guy. And then there are the seemingly endless initiatives I have to make a judgement about, of just stunning particularity and detail... Iowans have to face the same kinds of situations, but the top of the ticket is decided and done.
"It's my Republican trap," he said."
Excellent!
It's just awful when your opponents marshal actual facts against you, isn't it? And after all those Democratic talking points on draft fear mongering as well! Is it back to social security scares now?
Morons, who's more likely to start another war? the warmonger Bush or the democrats?
college kids are smarter than that.
OT but funny,
I got a whole bag of flyers,etc., from the local Republicans left hanging on the doorknob yesterday. Nothing remarkable there except I'm in Illinois and a Keyes brochure and window sticker was included with a picture form the debates with the caption nearby
"Great Orator of the 19th century-Abraham Lincoln.
Great orator of the 20th century-Everret Dirksen.
Great orator of the 21st century-Alan Keyes"
At least the local GOP here acknowledges him as their candidate,unlike other parts of the state.
Y'all know about this, right?
They say Stolen Honor is airing right now.
"NewsMax to Air 'Stolen Honor' this weekend"
http://tinyurl.com/4wbwr
Two Minute Drill
Al Giordano chimes in with his observations of the election and the last drive to the White House
Big John with 284 EVs!
"Only one way to beat the fuckers. Dry up their corporate sponsors. Quit cable teevee."
Yeah, but it has to be done right. It has to be massive, simultaneous, coordinated, and announced well ahead of time.
And before we do that, let's see what kind of success we have in getting the Fairness Doctrine reinstated.
Also, President Kerry should issue an executive order declaring Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity to be Iraqi citizens.
If Iowa goes fucking Republican this year they goddamn better fucking lose the right to be the first Democratic caucus. If they can't deliver their electoral votes they have no business being the leading decider for Democratic nominees. Same for New Hampshire and their sacred first primary.
Karl Rove says they have tricks up their sleeve.
Now, today, we get this jackass statement from a Bush insider according to the NY Daily News:
We want people to think 'terrorism' for the last four days," said a Bush-Cheney campaign official. "And anything that raises the issue in people's minds is good for us."
A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush."
He called it "a little gift," saying it helps the President but doesn't guarantee his reelection.
Coincidink? I think not.
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. It's nice to see someone flinging the Dem's shit back in their faces, isn't it?
Holy Crap!
I think I live near someone affiliated with Tom Delay.
Right now 4-5 people are sitting in front of a house about 5 doors down from me with a bullhorn and some signs. They have a truck with side board signs in the back that say "Get Rid of the Bugman". I live in a middle class burb of Houston, not rich enough for the bugman.
Exciting. Running back out now to see what's going on.
"It's just awful when your opponents marshal actual facts against you, isn't it?"
Uh, no. Pay attention. I'll type slowly so even Republicans can understand.
Charlie Rangel wants a draft that makes sure there are no exceptions for cowardly sons of Republican congressman. It would be preferable to have no draft at all, however, if there is to be a draft, Charlie Rangel wants to make sure that it is equitable.
You'll notice that neither presidential candidate was mentioned in that description. However, Bush has no plan in Iraq and is roundly hated around the world, making it impossible for him to get help with troops from other nations. Thus, if he is elected, Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney will begin to draft in order to continue their foolish dream of world empire. Kerry has a plan to get help in Iraq. Kerry will restore honor and dignity to the White House and be able to get help from coutnries that are disgusted by Bush. Kerry will institute an actual plan for securing Iraq which allows the NATO and the UN to send in troops to help out. With Kerry, we will not need a draft. With Bush, we will.
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mypollingplace.com reeks of a GOP voter suppression operation to me. Even if it isn't, it isn't possible for them have an accurate list of polling places.
Meanwhile in Manhattan:
Two men were taken into custody on Friday after illegally landing a hot-air balloon imprinted with a "Kerry" sign in Central Park, police said.
The men, Thomas Robins, 44, and Ronald DiGiovanni, 51, brought down the balloon at about 2:30 p.m. in the park's North Meadow.
Unless that guy on the OBL tape had nose surgery, he is NOT OBL. Osama bin Laden's nose is an entirely different shape. Something devious is going on. The guy in the tape has a round nose; bin Laden's nose is aqualine.
Oh, I see that mypollingplace.com is a PFAW operation. Still, I think it's a mistake to use it. There is no way tat there info could be very accurate. I say that as someone who has years of experience overseeing election administration.
How are we in the polls right now compared to Gore in 2000 during the final weekend. Anyone know?
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Only one way to beat the fuckers. Dry up their corporate sponsors. Quit cable teevee."
This could be done. If there was a big, organized movement, I would love to take part.
OT
Have you guys heard of an American comic called Rich Hall? He spends a lot of time here in the UK, and is on the BBC quite alot.
Last night he did his 1 hour take on the USA election. It was hilarious. He explained how the right wing loons had taken over talk radio in the last 15 years. Anyway he pretended to be a Rush wanabie. Very funny. He was pretending to be raging against state education, and state funded health care, and said that state education will always lead to young muslims with rocket launchers. PRICELESS. He said that Bush uses words straight out of comics. "Your with us or against us" is straight from Spiderman.
He also went through the declaration of independecne, and the reason to get rid of King Geoge. About 4 of the points you could make for getting rid of the current George.
He is from big sky country.
I'm beginning to think that Kerry needs to make a bold move here in the last few days. I guess his strategy is to take the high road on the Bin Laden tape, but I think he maybe needs to go ballistic:
"We want people to think 'terrorism' for the last four days," said a Bush-Cheney campaign official. "And anything that raises the issue in people's minds is good for us."
A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush."
He called it "a little gift," saying it helps the President but doesn't guarantee his reelection.
Rich Hall is married to Julia Louis-Dreyfus. He used to be on Saturday Night Live and did Sniglets (words that should exist, but don't).
See Cronkites comments on Larry King..
He is inclined to think that the OBL tape was set up by Rove
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../29/
lkl.01.html
How are we in the polls right now compared to Gore in 2000 during the final weekend. Anyone know?
CNN had Bush over Gore by ten points on Oct 20, 2000.
Harris had Bush up by five against Gore on Oct. 28, 2000.
CNN
I think the the little gift is for Kerry...
"So: Having the American public think of terror is a good thing. Macchiavelli, Lee Atwater, and Goebbels would all be so, so proud.
I do hope that Bush is having Laura or the twins write out thank-you cards to Mr. Bin Laden for his “little gift.” If there is a single quote from the past few months that deserves long legs in the media, it’s this one.
I would like to know just what kind of animal could vote for the SOB after this. Unfortunately, I’m sure I’ll find out."
A quick non-political point:
Julia Louis-Dreyfus did marry a co-star from SNL but it was former "Weekend Update" anchor Brad Hall. Rich Hall was also an SNL cast member, which I admit is confusing.
"And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing."
Lord, heed my prayer and let the Rove attack dogs try to launch a smear campaign on Uncle Walter. And while they're at it, they could go after Santa and Captain Kangaroo.
C'mon trolls, get the ball rolling..
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See Cronkites comments on Larry King..
He is inclined to think that the OBL tape was set up by Rove
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../29/
lkl.01.html
See Cronkites comments on Larry King..
He is inclined to think that the OBL tape was set up by Rove
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANS.../29/
lkl.01.html
Polls--A bit earlier someone asked for comparison with 2000 polls 4 days out. The Zogby site shows their comparitive data at
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNe...News.dbm?
ID=917
They show Kerry up by y one point today, and Gore down by 4 points at the comparable point in 2000...not that I have any confidence at all in the methodology of the polls this year, even Zogby's.
I happen to be one of the poor shmucks out in Iowa and I'm so sick of hearing radio ads, getting p-mail, and recorded calls I could shit a life-sized bust of our child-president.
I live and work in a small community, essentially built up around a private, liberal arts college. Thankfully, the majority of people I know are hardcore anti-G.W. Dipshit. Unfortunately that hasn't stopped me from getting calls from John-I-Used-to-Have-A-Spine-McCain and a whole slew of East Coast cops, firemen, and others with phony accents
I was backing John Kerry before the primaries, when all my friends were Deaniacs, so the one thing all these freakin' ads have done for me is burn into my memory all the local candidates that I WON'T be voting for.
I happen to be one of the poor shmucks out in Iowa and I'm so sick of hearing radio ads, getting p-mail, and recorded calls I could shit a life-sized bust of our child-president.
I live and work in a small community, essentially built up around a private, liberal arts college. Thankfully, the majority of people I know are hardcore anti-G.W. Dipshit. Unfortunately that hasn't stopped me from getting calls from John-I-Used-to-Have-A-Spine-McCain and a whole slew of East Coast cops, firemen, and others with phony accents
I was backing John Kerry before the primaries, when all my friends were Deaniacs, so the one thing all these freakin' ads have done for me is burn into my memory all the local candidates that I WON'T be voting for.
I happen to be one of the poor shmucks out in Iowa and I'm so sick of hearing radio ads, getting p-mail, and recorded calls I could shit a life-sized bust of our child-president.
I live and work in a small community, essentially built up around a private, liberal arts college. Thankfully, the majority of people I know are hardcore anti-G.W. Dipshit. Unfortunately that hasn't stopped me from getting calls from John-I-Used-to-Have-A-Spine-McCain and a whole slew of East Coast cops, firemen, and others with phony accents
I was backing John Kerry before the primaries, when all my friends were Deaniacs, so the one thing all these freakin' ads have done for me is burn into my memory all the local candidates that I WON'T be voting for.
My Bad,
Long time reader, first time poster.
Cut me some slack, I was born far north of here...
In order to fight the resource wars of the future, we will need bodies. As long as our national security policy includes access and control over cheap oil (whatever is left that is) we will contunue to fight for it.
These resource wars are just beginning, a military draft is quite likely in our future.
"Personally, I think it was a clumsy granstanding effort on Rangle's part, something of a tin ear moment, though I don't dispute the argument he's making."
Don't forget that Rangel is a REPRESENTATIVE, even if he is a Senator. His constituency may have demanded this kind of call for equality in service.
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"The suspect, whom the sheriff's report identified as Jessie Irvin Mathews, 22, of Vista...."
Vista, for those that don't know, is a hotbed of religious fundamentalism. They periodically ban books and certain teachings from their schools (or try to), are hysterical about Wicca, and they are hip deep in those Rapture texts as well.
More Wackos for W.
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Vote for Bush if you approve of his policy of allowing Osama bin Laden to roam the world freely making videotapes. Otherwise, vote for Kerry.
It won't work.
These Iowa kids aren't that stupid.
They know which party is the one out there starting wars and invading countries left and right.
They know which party is the one in need of troops to fight more wars.
They also know which party is the party of the warmonger and the party of anti-war protester.
The draft issue is ours alone cause it just makes more sense for democrats to bring it up. Republicans on the other hand are making fools of themselves.
I think this could actually earn us more votes since undecideds are more likely to see the republicans lying about this than democrats.
Keep it up bozos!
MYOB'
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Who listens to radio these days, anyway?
Think about this before you cast your vote.
Look at the following list of names and consider who they would most likely vote for if they were allowed to vote in our coming election,
Martin Luther King
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Gandhi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Robert Kennedy
Nelson Mandela
Bishop Tutu
The Lorax
When you cast your vote will you be voting the same way as you think the above people will vote?
How closely aligned with these people will you be?
Do these people ever STOP lying?
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Most college kids know Republicans are uncool. They always sound like dorks when they try to be hip. It would be like Richard Nixon trying to give a high five.
They had a story in the Philadelphia Weekly a couple of months back on Penn Repukes.
All WASPS.....one dork from Texas for whom "awesome" was the only word in his vocabularly. Sheltered little candy-asses that were all for Bush's war while safe on campus.
They posed on the cover of the paper wearing golf shirts.
Philadelphia Weekly got some really nasty letters about the little ass-clowns.
We are on track for historic turnout in this election. Voters are coming out in record numbers for John Kerry.
And that has the Republicans scared. They have no plan, no hope, no way to win this election except to stop people from voting. Their strategy is simple:
1.Discourage Democratic voters from going to the polls by filling the airwaves with predictions of doom and gloom.
2.Delay voting and create lines at polls by challenging voters and election officials.
3.Deny voters the opportunity to cast their votes and have them counted.
But their strategy won't work. We will stop their attempts to deny our rights by using the best weapons in our arsenal: information and education.
It's vital that you know your voting rights. Take a minute today to make sure that others know their rights, too. Download our guide to voting rights:
http://www.democrats.org/votingrights/
Make sure to print out multiple copies and help us spread the word by distributing them as widely as you can.
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Remember: Voting is your right, and you are protected under the law. Exercise your right by voting for John Kerry, John Edwards, and all our Democratic candidates on November 2!
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list.html
JJ:
Please stop spamming the same 4 posts onto every single comment thread.
Get a blog, post a link. 
I'm a registered Independent and so have a huge target painted on my back.
Today a woman knocked on my door. She was wearing a vest with pumpkins on it. At first, I did not see the very small Kerry/Edwards button she was wearing. She kindly asked me if I planned to vote and if I knew where to vote. I said yes. She then informed me that I could go to vote early today at the courthouse, which I appreciated because I did not know there was early voting in my state. She then handed me a flyer about the current governor of Indiana, smiled and left. At no time did she ask me how I planned to cast my vote, nor did she urge me to vote one way or the other.
Contrast this with the visit I had last Tuesday from the visitor from the Bush/Cheney campaign. She wore a hat that said BUSH/CHENEY on it and was all decked-out in sparkly red white and blue stripes. She told me I had been identified as a swing voter in this county and asked me how I was going to vote. I told her I planned to vote for Kerry. She then said snidely, "Well if Kerry wins, we'll all get hit with nuclear bombs! Only the president can keep us safe." I could tell from her expression of worry and the energy she spent on it that she really believed her statement.
"Well," I said. "We all have to die of something. I'd rather be nuked in a democracy practicing free speech, than live in a facist state wondering when I'm going to be hauled to jail for criticizing the president."
"Oh!" she exclaimed, threw her pamphlets down on the porch steps and left in a huff.
I leave you to draw your own conclusions.
Wow. I have to give the Republicans props for this. This is hardcore.
Now let's make sure they never hold any position of power ever again.
niles: Grinnell?
Just contacted MSNBC on Rush. thanks for the tip jimmy james.
To the (hopefully still) respected halls of NBC:
Please accept this letter as a plea to not feature conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh as a commentator during election night coverage.
While I have never written a major network before, and everyone is guaranteed the right to free speech, the issue of offering Rush Limbaugh as a responsible political pundit defiles the reputation that your news organization has built over many decades. To pick just a few examples from this year, he compared the abuse of Iraqi prisoners to a fraternity prank, telling Americans and an international audience on the taxpayer-funded American Forces Radio that the torture was a "brilliant maneuver" and that the photos were "good old pornography." He has also labeled Senator Kerry a "stupid S.O.B." and a "gigolo." His racist commentary also makes him unsuitable for an appearance on a network as distinguished as NBC. Just last month, commenting on Jesse Jackson joining the Kerry campaign, stated: "The Kerry campaign has finally gotten a chocolate chip," sparking outrage in the African-American community. Rush Limbaugh has also made other racially-charged statements on ESPN and was summarily removed from their NFL coverage.
I hope you equally consider the ramifications of "legitimizing" extreme viewpoints, openly partisan propaganda and hate-filled opinions that have no place on the public airwaves.
Rush Limbaugh has a reckless disregard for facts and truth. In one example, he falsely stated that the 9-11 Commission report confirmed Vice President Dick Cheney's claim that September 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta may have met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in April 2001. As you know, and your network has reported, this meeting did not occur.
Again, everyone is guaranteed a right to free speech no matter where he or she resides on the political spectrum. There are plenty of conservative opinions who can make intellectually honest arguments without having to reside to divisive and misleading language. Unfortunately, Rush Limbaugh is not one of these voices, nor is an extreme left-wing voice.
Many of us in the center of the political spectrum know where to find Rush Limbaugh on our radios. If he appears on your network for election coverage it will indicate that your network no longer lives up to the slogan, "Proud as a Peacock," and many will boycott your network(s) and the advertisers who support your organization.
Thank you in advance for your time and consideration, and I wish Mr. Brokaw a wonderful retirement. I met him Boston many years ago and he's a professional.
raspberry - You Indiana folks have some good sense.
Jimmy James:
I appreciate what you're trying to do. Really, I do.
Memes are powerful - they can grow legs and walk (or run) from a gleam in someone's eye right onto the front pages.
But proto-memes can also be very annoying when they're repeated ad nauseum in a forum like this. Everyone at Eschaton has seen your posts dozens of times by now.
PLEASE STOP.
ouch .... have to agree after scrolling up jimmy james ... heart's in the right place, but the repeats are kinda agitating
Sally,
Rich Hall= Sniglets
Can't remember what they are tho.
Last ditch tactics.
They're desperate to do ANYTHING to change the election numbers. You would have to believe that George Bush, who lies about everything, refused to talk to MTV, and has committed us to a fiasco in Iraq would tell the truth about the draft.
Wow, I should have refreshed befor
I sent that one. Only about 3 hours late.
Last ditch tactics.
They're desperate to do ANYTHING to change the election numbers. You would have to believe that George Bush, who lies about everything, refused to talk to MTV, and has committed us to a fiasco in Iraq would tell the truth about the draft.
Bush and TRUTH are incongruous.
Totally, dude.
He has also labeled Senator Kerry a "stupid S.O.B." and a "gigolo."
A "gigolo"? That's hilarious coming from a fat junkie who's had three marriages go south and who I think is a self-hating homosexual!
Methinks the Vulgar Pigboy is jealous!
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. It's nice to see someone flinging the Dem's shit back in their faces, isn't it?
Go SHIT in your hat!
Asshole
She then said snidely, "Well if Kerry wins, we'll all get hit with nuclear bombs! Only the president can keep us safe." I could tell from her expression of worry and the energy she spent on it that she really believed her statement.
To which I would have said "Right - now get the fuck off my property, you clueless cow!"
Even mentioning the draft hurts Bush, this campaign will backfire.
Patriotboy:
Use mypollingsite.com - at least for Minnesota, it take you directly to the County election site you need, and it's been accurate for everybody I've sent there (got my own absentee voting info there and it was spot-on!)
Think about this before you cast your vote.
Look at the following list of names and consider who they would most likely vote for if they were allowed to vote in our coming election,
Martin Luther King
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Gandhi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Robert Kennedy
Nelson Mandela
Bishop Tutu
The Lorax
When you cast your vote will you be voting the same way as you think the above people will vote?
How closely aligned with these people will you be?
Important voter information for you to have and to share:
1. If you are not sure what the poll opening & closing times are for your state, or know somebody who needs this information, go here:
http://www.fec.gov/pages/faqs.htm
2. If you or somebody you know is registered, but unsure of where your voting location is, go here:
http://www.mypollingplace.com
3. If anyone tries to stop you from voting or you see anyone being stopped from voting call
1-866-Our-Vote
A Non-Partisan Hotline
4. Move On PAC Election Protection Card
Please print it out and carry it with to the Polls
http://www.majorityreportradio.c...tes/
ep_card.pdf
5. If you are IN LINE to vote when the polls are scheduled to close, your have an absolute right to get in to vote. THAT'S THE LAW!
We are on track for historic turnout in this election. Voters are coming out in record numbers for John Kerry.
And that has the Republicans scared. They have no plan, no hope, no way to win this election except to stop people from voting. Their strategy is simple:
1.Discourage Democratic voters from going to the polls by filling the airwaves with predictions of doom and gloom.
2.Delay voting and create lines at polls by challenging voters and election officials.
3.Deny voters the opportunity to cast their votes and have them counted.
But their strategy won't work. We will stop their attempts to deny our rights by using the best weapons in our arsenal: information and education.
It's vital that you know your voting rights. Take a minute today to make sure that others know their rights, too. Download our guide to voting rights:
http://www.democrats.org/votingrights/
Make sure to print out multiple copies and help us spread the word by distributing them as widely as you can.
For information about finding your polling place, use our polling place locator at Democrats.org:
http://www.democrats.org/
Remember: Voting is your right, and you are protected under the law. Exercise your right by voting for John Kerry, John Edwards, and all our Democratic candidates on November 2!
The American Axis Of Evil
As much as I hate to admit it, we have an axis of evil here in our own country. Its intent is to totally destroy our way of life. I know I am going to catch a lot of flak for what I am about to say but someone has to say it.
The ACLU started out as a good organization. It is now the tool most used to subvert some of Americas most valued traditions. Liberal left extremists supports them.
Next are the liberal Democrats like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louise Farrakhan, Tom Dashle, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Tom Leahy, and so many others that they would be impossible to list.
Next is the liberal Hollywood crowd.
Next are the stupid environmentalist who would rather have a forest burn down to the ground than have a few loggers thin them out, or deny farmers water to raise their crops because of some stupid mud eating fish like themselves!
Next are the spineless Congressmen and women who make us dependent on foreign oil by denying us the right to drill for oil in our own country.
Next are the lawyers of the United States. They are leeches living of the fat of the land. Sooner or later there will be no more services available because of all the stupid lawsuits.
Next are the stupid asinine judges legislating from the bench instead of just administering the law.
Next are the stupid asinine college professors who teach in our higher education institutions. The garbage they spew out of their mouths is absolutely obscene. They need to be fired.
Next are the stupid unions who expect all of America to support their ass. One great example is the steel industry. They extracted lucrative agreements from the steel industry which have all but bankrupted the steel companies which cannot now live up to the agreements and are not able to pay for their benefits. Now they are asking the American people to take over those obligations. I say bullshit to that.
Last but not least is the biased left leaning media, that includes most of the major newspapers too. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Peter Jennings are a disgrace to journalism. They don't even pretend to hide their agenda anymore. How can anyone be so stupid is beyond me. Even an un eddicated fool like me can see thru their transparency.
If you agree with me let me know, if you don't I hope you will be the first to be beheaded if we lose this war!
*
DammitDee
You've got a really winning way about you, Dee. You'd seem to have already lost your head. A proctologist might be of some help finding it.
Jimmy James,
nice list of names -- people like coulter, limbaugh and malkin would call all of them traitors for being too liberal
The Lorax
George Bush is definitely the Zaxs' favorite. Either North or South going Zax. His policy is essentially the same as theirs.
Well. I thought the premise behind Wrangel's draft was that EVERYONE SHOULD BE DRAFTED, ESPECIALLY YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE, AND NOT JUST BROWNPEOPLECANNONFODDER. That is the point isn't it? Let me know if I'm wrong, but I saw Wrangel on Crossfire, and this was his explanation, that too many times, in too many of the present wars since Vietnam, poor black people were shoved to the front lines with no one to get them out, such as bush's daddy. Take this current war; look all around you at the students in colleges, mostly white, and mostly not minorities. Who's first to up for the services? Those without a job, those who need help with college costs, or those who might be looking for some skills, AND THOSE LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT OF THE GHETTO AND BLIGHTED NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NOWHERE TO GO. This was the point Wrangel was trying to make. When and if the draft comes, they will insert some form of service agreement by which white kids will escape going to war. There will be no escape for the brown kids who have nowhere to go, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. They will feel the need to go to war to get a job. Now. Isn't that ugly? Now, oddly enough, the middle class kids are feeling the need to go too, but mainly because their parents are being squeezed with the inability to now send their kids to college because bush is squeezing them! Sooooo, don't lose what the point of the draft or not having one is really all about; Charles Wrangel pushed it because he knows who will be sent to war, and who will escape once again.
Peace
Jazzy
Keep an eye toward the TV tomorrow for Michael Moore's new ads. He just previewed them in Columbus & they are deadly.
Here in Colorado one of our MANY CC stations, KHOW 630 AM, will carry Faux coverage Tuesday. How in the hell does that happen? I live on the edge of the real South Park and those bastards want to kill Kerry!
( Please join me and vote for President Bush on November 2nd.
Sincerely,
Concerned Grandma)
Every concerned Republican knows there was a typo in the original article. It should read "Democrats want to draft anyone under 72!" So, grab your gunny sack, Granny!
Jazzylady50,
You've got it pretty well down, Jazzy.
It was, in fact, a gambit that Charlie and a few others were throwing at Bush at the start of Bush's agression.
Yes, they wanted Bush to know that if he was going to push this very far, that they would make damned sure that EVERYBODY went, knowing all the rich mommies and daddies wouldn't stand for their precious coming home with no limbs or, omygod! stains on their clothing. That would effectively tie Bush's hands.
Its point clearly made, it was immediately tossed into committee, never to be seen again.
But after Kerry's attacks on the draft, DeLay and Hastert dragged it back up to use as something to VOTE DOWN (which they did) and have the American parent think (erroneously) that their baby is now safe and protected, and that Repubs actually do like them.
Fat chance.
So, it was a Gumby bill, used by both sides, as they wanted.
Also, Jazzy, please go easy on the "(W)Rangel" nonsense. Charlie is my congressman, and we're proud of him. Plus, he has more cojones than the entire Republican Party.
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