I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
FRIST? Me?
first?
oh well...I think it's wonderful that the Repubs think OBL is a gift to their party. He certainly is a gift that keeps on giving!
The guy looks better than Bush, and certainly looks better than the last time we saw him. He doesn't look "on the run" or weakened.
This is all bad, and only a third of the tape has been aired. Can't wait to hear what else is on it.
so ...
Osama is good for Bush and good for America??
interesting but stoopid
Like I said in the thread below: traitorous motherfuckers.
Guess we know who's "with" us and who's "against" us, don't we?
Second little gift in the works: assault on Fallujah tomorrow, in time for all the church services and the Monday news. The "terror effect" works for three days. Anything for a blip--
sixth?
How does getting punked on TV by the World's Most Dangerous Man help Junta Boy?
OK, two threads below...
I just saw this too. Really sets up the new meme...
YES, THEY REALLY ARE THAT CRAVEN!!
By the way, Even Fox's poll indicates he has been hurt by the Bin Laden tape's release.
Perhaps more people are seeing through the bullshit just in time.
Unfreakin' believable the guy had the audacity to say that. They don't give a crap about the country. Anything! ANYTHING to get the dear leader re-elected I mean re-selected.
OBL seems to be pretty well informed about this election....
Do you think that crack about Sweeden was in reference to Bulsh's little brain-fart confusing Seeden Switzerland?
I wonder which blogs he's bookmarked?
That must be some cave.
Meanwhile, the hand-wringing moderate capitulators are just so bored with the whole thing:
I guess every presidential campaign has 'em: the last minute bizarro issues that suddenly become life or death campaign fodder. This year, we've had no fewer than three in the final month of the campaign:
1. Flu vaccine shortage.
2. 380 tons of missing explosives.
3. The Osama videotape.
Isn't that amazing? Ultimately, these are all trivial issues that will be entirely forgotten within a few months, but they just might be the things that decide who will be president for the next four years. Sometimes I feel like we should just flip a coin and save ourselves the trouble.
The morning of January 21, we hang the brownshirts by their heels. After lunch, we start in on these pricks.
Unfreakin' believable the guy had the audacity to say that. They don't give a crap about the country. Anything! ANYTHING to get the dear leader re-elected I mean re-selected.
Bloomberg just reports a four percent increase in Bush's lead after the tape. I understand that polls are likely to be really off this election season for various reasons, but if this is so, why does the media keep on pushing them??
Don't mind me. I'm having last minute jitters.
Gosh, a comet impacting the Earth would then be a bonanza for Bush.
It's like an abbot & costello skit.
Osama wants Kerry cuz he bashes Bush in his video.
So, we vote for Bush, cuz we'll always vote against Osama.
But, Osama knows this, so maybe he is just saying those things to make us vote for Bush, because he really wants Kerry?
You know, we are way too smart for him! He thinks he can get us to vote for Kerry by endorsing him, but we'll show HIM and vote for Bush!
We have OBL right where we want him...
idiots! He doesn't care; would we care if OBL was killed and someone else took his place? We'd just go after that guy.
What I find most interesting about the tape is that it implies that we won't be attacked until after the election, which invalidates Bush & Ridge in their rhetoric that we should beware an election attack.
these guys make me want to puke.
I don't care how they spin it...I don't get a sense that it helps Bush. Rather, it's an embarrassment for Bush, a big reminder that he failed at nabbing Osama, in addition to his litany of many other failures.
He's smarter than Bush too. Course that's not saying a whole lot, is it.
Incompetent motherfuckers - they let bin Laden get away - and I'm beginning to wonder if they don't do it on purpose, because they can take him out of the anxiety closet when they want to scare everyone.
I can't come up with enough bad things to call these people. Fucking fascist cocksucking motherfucking useless, dangerous tyrannical filth.
I'm encouraged, however. I spent the day with a friend I haven't seen in a couple of months. She lives in a heavily Repug part of Dallas and she says that there are Kerry signs everywhere in her part of town. She's hopeful.
Unfreakin' believable the guy had the audacity to say that. They don't give a crap about the country.
You're absolutely correct. They don't care about the country, or the citizens, or much of anything else but power and the money that brings. They pander to the absolute worst aspects of humanity.
I always felt that Kevin Drum was not completely honest nor really progressive. I'd only ever look at his site on Friday's, to see the latest pictures of his cats. And I never even look at his column in Wash. Monthly. His true self is emerging since he hit pay(dirt).
Yeah, like any democrats are going to be persuaded to vote for chimpy on the basis of what Osama has to say.
Now sadly, yes, there are some idiots who really believe that chimpy is the answer to keeping them safe- I know some and they're right here in Texas.
They were always going to vote for chimpy anyway so who gives a fuck what they think?
Anyway, everyone email that comment to every media outlet- let them know just how "patriotic" the rethuglican party really is.
I can't wait for tuesday, I predict Kerry by 53%.
OT but help out a regular here: I need to debunk this. TIA!
> >> Can You Name This Country?
> >> 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONAL
> >> 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS
> >> EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS
> >> 20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT
> >> AIRCRAFT
> >> 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS
> >> 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH
> >> 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES
> >> 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS
> >> FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT
> SHIPS
> >> AND
> >> SUBMARINES
> >> PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND
> >> LOGISTICAL
> >> ASSETS NEEDED TO SUTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE
> >> IS THIS COUNTRY: RUSSIA? ....NO
> >> CHINA? ....NO
> >> GREAT BRITAIN?
> >> ....NO
> >> FRANCE?
> .WRONG
> >> AGAIN
> >> MUST BE USA?
> >> ....STILL WRONG
> >> GIVE UP?
> >> THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE
> >> ELIMINATED
> >> DURING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL
> >> GORE.
> >> .....SLEEP WELL!.....
>
Bush and the bin laden family, anyone?
A "little gift" indeed.
OT: Internet users are far more politically savvy.
Researchers from the Pew Internet and American Life Project and the University of Michigan's School of Information found Internet users were more knowledgeable than non-users about arguments that challenged their point of view.
``They were extremely aware of the arguments for their guys, but they are no less aware of arguments challenging their guys,'' said Lee Rainie, director of the Pew group. ``They are not building walls, not screening out the other stuff.''
Rainie said political activists may want to hear the other side so they can respond to political challenges at the watercooler or from friends.
doesn't matter,
I'm convinced, there's no way I'm voting for Clinton.
I can't for the life of me, figure out how feeling nervous about my personal safety is supposed to equate to me wanting to vote for Bush. Geez, that clown even admitted that he spent 9/11 trying to save his own skin (rather than taking actions to save his fellow citizens).
The talking heads have there bullshit machines running at top speed with this notion. I have yet to encounter a single soul whose reaction is what these dumb fucks say it is.
I never even look at his column in Wash. Monthly. His true self is emerging since he hit pay(dirt).
I gotta wonder how much the Monthly regrets picking him up as their "star" blogger... however, considering how they also gladly hired Amy "Jesus Loves Me and You Better Like It" Sullivan and give her prominent placement, maybe I'm just dreaming...
What Republicans think of the guy responsible for thousands killed:
Atrios, I'm confused about which guy you or they are talking about. The one who killed 2700 in New York? Or the one who killed 8,000-100,000 innocents in Iraq? Please clarify.
Tena, that's good news. In my neighborhood in austin the ratio of signs is about 25-1 Kerry.
There were MONSTER lines at the early polling sites yesterday, I think people want to register their anger against Bush, even though we're in a red state.
I'm praying that Texas is close enough to give Karl the mother of all fucking heart attacks.
I don't want the man beaten, I want him humiliated and crushed. I want to send a signal to the world that we aren't fucking crazy.
"This is Bin Laden, look at his head nodding, How could we allow something like this, Without pumping our fist."
doesn't matter... go fuck yourself.
A little gift. That tell you all you need to know about these jerks. They love terrorism. Love it.
Incompetent @#$%@$#%, they let bin Laden get away - and I'm beginning to wonder if they don't do it on purpose,
Someone on Kos is asking why the Administration hasn't released more of the 18 minute tape. He/she has a point. You've got to wonder if there isn't something about Bush they don't want heard.
Houston's going to go HUGE for Kerry. 407K votes already cast out of a 1M population.
I really think Kerry needs to get aggressive on the OBL issue in the final days. He has so much fodder and he's decided to take the high road. We can't win a gunfight with a knife folks:
Kerry was in the Midwest battleground states, too, campaigning in Appleton, Wis., where he urged voters on Saturday not to allow the videotaped message from Osama bin Laden to stir up partisan feelings.
“As Americans we are absolutely united, all of us. There are no Democrats, there are no Republicans,” Kerry said. “As Americans we are united in our determination to destroy, capture, kill Osama bin Laden and all of the terrorists. They are barbarians, and we are going to hunt them down and we will make America safe.”
Have to shower after reading the linked article. Even FAUX is more "fair and balanced" on the OBL tape spin than this dreck. My gut is telling me this tape won't have much impact either way, especially if dems get on top of it and hammer home the "how is this guy still making videotapes after 2 wars and 3 years" point.
Unlike our simian preznit, most Americans haven't forgotten who OBL is and what he's responsible for. This won't have the shocking effect the idiots living in Rove's fantasy castle are hoping for.
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Far be it from me to defend a blogger who hasn't blogrolled [but then again, neither has father Atrios] me, but Kevin Drum isn't perfect, no blogger is perfect, and though I'm to the left of him, he is our ALLY, not our Enemy. So stop treating him like he's an appeaser.
Our scaled-back military forces wouldn't be an issue if a bunch of fools hadn't started a disastrous war based on false premises, in which one of their primary objectives was to "prove" that they could "win" without the forces all professional military leaders told them would be needed to keep the lid on the powder keg after taking down the existing regime.
Yes, clearly it's the fault of the Clenis;&trade.
Somebody give me some good news about polls. I'm starting to get depressed again.......
fourlegsgood - you and me both, baby. I finally saw F9/11 last night for the first time. I sobbed throughout most of it. When it was over, all I could think of were the enormous numbers of people who have seen it. Anyone who has and still votes for that bunch of bastards should be hung right next to them.
I didn't know that his limo was egged at the inauguration. That sorry pissant motherfucker - knows how hated he is and still acts like he's the emperor of the universe. Fuck him. We're taking him down. We are. fourlegsgood. We are. No way is he getting my country.
Grrrrrr....me again, and that should have been the Clenis™.
Someone on Kos is asking why the Administration hasn't released more of the 18 minute tape. He/she has a point. You've got to wonder if there isn't something about Bush they don't want heard.
Over at DU somebody claims to have gotten the whole thing from Aftonbladet (twice translated).
It is here.
And voter turnout has been incredible in Texas - highest ever on record for early voting. About 40% of the registered voters in Texas have already voted.
I hope with all my heart, like you do, fourlegsgood, that he is crushed utterly.
These guys need to get their asses kicked. Then, we need to get that guy who gave them a "gift."
A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush.
Gee-- why don't they just stage a terror attack then?
Oh wait-- I guess they already did that.
Tena - you and me both. This guy is just a PUNK. A snot-nosed PUNK.
I get the feeling that W's biggest fear in life is being publicly revealed as the failure he is. Well, it's been 58 or 59 years in coming, but in three days, his biggest fear is going to come true.
I'm still wondering how he will possibly be able to give any kind of concession speech, since as we all know he's incapable of admitting error. We may get to watch the meltdown live, on national TV.
OBL and my quote match one another;
http://www.zombietime.com/obl_vi...d_kerry_quotes/
Bin Laden: "Even as you enter the fourth year after the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush is still misleading and deluding you and hiding the real reason from you."
Kerry: "Unfortunately, in its desperate attempts to reinvent a rationale for the Iraq war, this White House has repeatedly chosen to mislead the American people."
Bin Laden: "And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism."
Kerry: ""We are a nation of laws and liberties, not of a knock in the night. So it is time to end the era of John Ashcroft. That starts with replacing the Patriot Act with a new law that protects our people and our liberties at the same time."
Bin Laden: "It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers."
Kerry campaign spokesperson Stephanie Cutter: "Mr. McClellan needs to understand that John Kerry is not the type of leader who will sit and read 'My Pet Goat' to a group of second graders while America is under attack."
I need your votes tuesday, Fuckheads.
Gee-- why don't they just stage an actual terror attack then?
Oh wait-- I guess they already did that.
I wonder if Bin Laden has a wire up his back too.
that he is crushed utterly.
si... crushed beyond re-animation!
407K votes already cast out of a 1M population.
Meander
Holy Freakin Cow. If this is true -- wow. They won't even know what hit them, and when they wake up we can re-neducate them. "Yes, you were always a democrat"
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
Reminds me of the "trifecta" comment.
I'm getting a kick out of watching a certain corner of a busy intersection near here. The corner is owned by a prominent Republican. At first, he and his buddies had a large Bush banner hanging from a special handmade frame.
Someone stole that, so they replaced the banner with a handmade one that said, "You can steal our banner but you can't steal our votes!"
Someone poured paint on that one. Next, they put up a handmade banner that had the shape of our county on it, and "Bush Country!" written on the side. Today, someone had taken a pair of scissors and cut the banner into two pieces!
By the way, we were kitty-cornered to that corner the other morning, waving and getting people to honk for Kerry. While we were there, the owner of the other lot drove up to his lot and got out and took pictures of us.
Clinton's scaling back of the military was one of the my favorites from his administrations. It was way overdue - all those bases cost us a fortune and we were at peace and we didn't need them. Obviously, Big Dog aimed to make peace, not war.
Bush puts us into harm's way intentionally.
I will never accept him as president. Never. Never. Never. Never. Never.
I'll camp out in front of the WH until I drop dead if he does the unthinkable.
doesn't matter,
It was called the "peace dividend," which RePubs in congress AND the Bush I administration pushed. By the way, how would have these weapon systems have helped prevent 9-11? What they should have really done is listen to Gore's report on airport security and enaqcted their recommendation. The terrorist didn't magically get on those planes with their weapons, they had to get through the airlines' so-called "security" first - in several airports I might have. Yeah, the CIA was the fall guy, but it was really congress blocking Gore's reforms on behalf of the airlines that were most to blame.
CA GOP political director Matt Rexroad says, bin Ladin = Democrat
Roundup of all of the polls here
Almost all have it within one point based on polling through Friday night.
Osama is the gift that keeps giving for the Bush Administration.
Bush spoke to a crowd of 17,000 people today at DeVos Place here in Grand Rapids. According to my mom, who drove into town this morning (not to see Bush, btw), they were advertising on the radio that tickets were still available a half an hour before the rally started at 9:15 AM.
Mom, who is an independent voting for Kerry, thinks the OBL tape hurts Bush, and that it is in no way a "gift."
Anyway, when Kerry was here on August 3rd, he spoke to a crowd of over 20,000. Estimates were as high as 25,000 ~ I think it was probably between 22,000 and 23,000. So Bush, three days out, draws fewer people than Kerry in this consevative town.
My sister is an air traffic controller. She's voting for Bush because she has been a "card carrying member of the Republican Party since 1980" (the only one in the family who is ~ I can't change her mind, she's of the Hannitized variety), but she called my parents early this morning just a bitchin' to high heaven because she had to "land" him here, which means that she had to delay many other flights and clear the airspace for the president's little visit.
And finally, one of my KE signs was stolen again last night! That's like the fourth time. These Republican losers must be afraid.
Just got back from my GOTV for the day. Feeling real good, lots of positive responses, lots of people who say this will be their first year voting because they know the stakes are so high. We are going to win this. Kerry's going to take states that people didn't even think were in play.
Scroll down on the link I posted above and they have the battleground polls as well.
Over at DU somebody claims to have gotten the whole thing from Aftonbladet (twice translated).
That's only the released version. OBL speaks for 15 minutes. All we've seen/heard is a 5-minute excerpted version.
Remember, the Administration lobbied very hard to keep Al Jiz from playing the tape at all. Sounds like they succeeded in limiting the release.
While I don't think is should be played in its entirety, just in case, I don't trust the Bush folks either.
Something smells fishy, and it isn't Swedish herring.
Re: Bloomberg report--they're just regurgitating Newsweek's latest poll, which (as they often do) way oversampled Republicans. See: http://tinyurl.com/4tyua. And think about how happy we're going to be on Wednesday morning...
I plan to work outside the polls on Tuesday. We had training today. Local party leaders have been struggling to find people to work at the polls that day. Man, was everyone overwhelmingly surprised when about 125 people showed up! We are having amazing turnouts, and I live in a very Republican county.
As usual, the Repukes are dreaming.
This doesn't help their Monkey Boy at all.
What it does is remind people that 9/11 happened over three years ago, and OBL is STILL running around. It shows them that DUMBya can talk tough, but he's a p**sy when it comes to action.
It reminds them that we've lost over 1000 Americans in Iraq, a mess Bush lied us into.
For WHAT? OBL is STILL out there!
Houston - True on 407K false on 1 Million, it is 1.9 million registered in Harris County (where the 407K figure comes from.)
However, other big other news that should be hitting other states now.
October Surprise?
NEWSMAX, the Richard Mellon Scaife-funded conservative "news"
organization is purchasing large blogs of TV time to run scurrilous
attack ads on Senator Kerry.
The ads feature conservative veterans calling Kerry a traitor
responsible for the torture and dishonor of fellow American soldiers
in Vietnam as well as extending the length of the war.
The time is purchased as infomercial time but is just a large portion
of "Stolen Honor" the "documentary" by an employee of the conservative
Washington Times with an occasional banner overlay listing a 1-800
number to buy the documentary.
In the Houston area I spotted this running on Saturday 2:30 to 3:00 PM
on a PAX (Christian family programming) network station.
The phone number they are paying for to take orders is 1-800-NEWSMAX.
A number for my local PAX station KPXB that ran shortly afterwards is
713-533-5303. Perhaps a lot of polite calls to these numbers
protesting the dishonorable shameful attacks that violate the ninth
commandment against bearing false witness might be appropriate.
More on Richard Mellon Scaife
http://archive.salon.com/news/19.../04/
07news.html
More on Stolen Honor
http://www.navyseals.com/communi...cle.cfm?
id=4683
Gary Denton
http://elemming2.blogspot.com
Someone on Kos is asking why the Administration hasn't released more of the 18 minute tape. He/she has a point. You've got to wonder if there isn't something about Bush they don't want heard.
Maybe Osama reveals which White House official spilled the beans about Joseph Wilson's wife . . .
More good news for dear leader:
Polish Hostage Begs Nation to Leave Iraq
Teresa Borcz Khalifa, a 54-year-old with dual Polish-Iraqi citizenship, was wearing a black top and sitting in front of a banner with the militant group's name, Abu Bakr al-Siddiq Fundamentalist Brigades.
"Once again I call on you to help me, by saving my life," she said. "My life is in great danger. The one thing that will save my life is any response to the Iraqis' demands: by first getting the Polish troops out of Iraq and second, giving any help to release the female Iraqi prisoners from the various American prisons in Iraq."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news...cid=540&e=2&u=/
ap/20041030/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_polish_hostage
It shouldn't surprise us that the same people who saw 9/11 as a perfect opportunity look on bin Laden's appearance as a little gift.
My sister is an air traffic controller. She's voting for Bush because she has been a "card carrying member of the Republican Party since 1980" (the only one in the family who is ~ I can't change her mind, she's of the Hannitized variety),
Didn't the Repukes' sainted Ronnie RayGun FIRE air traffic controllers in the early 80s?
What is WRONG with your sister?
Drudge the human sludge is reporting that Cronkite is saying that Rove is behind the Bin Laden tape. This is great stuff! It will make people think twice about "accepted" facts.
OT
Kerry campaign threatens to throw FOX of the plane.
Kerry camp objets to 4.00 FOX News segment......
Alan Comes... "it's not like he (OBL) had a Kerry bumper sticker in his cave"
Niel Cavuto..."
Terry C ~ precisely. I have no idea what the hell my sister thinks. We're not close ~ she's hard headed. She and her husband are the wealthy ones in the family ~ maybe money's got something to do with it...
"Incompetent motherfuckers - they let bin Laden get away - and I'm beginning to wonder if they don't do it on purpose, because they can take him out of the anxiety closet when they want to scare everyone." --Tina
Gee, you think?
I'm beginning to wonder if Freddie Kruger is killing those kids on Elm Street.
Let's plastic sheet and duct tape these mfers to some wall in Manhattan, and let the people come by and spit on their faces for six months.
And then let's feed them to the pigs.
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I don't think the fearmongering is going to work this time.
They cried wolf once too often, and aside from that, Kerry now has videotape evidence, authenticated by intelligence sources, that bin Laden is still alive.
Combined with the missing explosives, and the missing nuclear material, this video is horrible for Bush.
Explain this to me.
I'm nervous about my personal safety. And that means the guy who has been "on watch" for four years, and who hasn't caught the guy who caused me to be nervous in the first place, is the guy I want for President? Because I'm nervous?
I gotta agree, now. Kerry in a landslide!
Disgusting. Simply disgusting.
Remind everybody you know of Tora Bora. Remind them that Bush thought it was more important to go into Iraq rather than chase Bin Laden.
Bush failed. Now Kerry must take the reins.
You want to get angry? Really angry? Sure you do. Go HERE htpp://russbaker.com/Guerrilla%20News%20Network%
20-20Bush.htm
This needs to be all over the country ASAP. Need motivation? How about the 8 marines who died today so Bush could play "commander in chief"? It's Wag the Dog for real. Sickening.
dissenter---
Walter Cronkite-- that old conspiracy theorist-- DID say that Rove may have engineered the Osama tape-- last night on Larry King.
CRONKITE: What we just heard. So now the question is basically right now, how will this affect the election? And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing. The advantage to the Republican side is to get rid of, as a principal subject of the campaigns right now, get rid of the whole problem of the al Qaqaa explosive dump. Right now, that, the last couple of days, has, I think, upset the Republican campaign.
If Satan himself made a video in support of Bush, the 'Pugs would say it helps Bush.
I still don't care. Tired of agonizing over every little bitty thing some pundit hack says.
It's a beautiful day outside and I'm going to get me some of that!
Because I'm nervous?
If you're more afraid of drunk drivers killing you on the freeway during the holidays than bin Laden, you hate America.
Because PARANOIA is PATRIOTIC!
sorry about that.
Niel Cavuto...."But he is al but doing that isn't he? I thought I saw a button"
Kerry campaign demand a retraction..don't get one, so threaten to throw FOX off the plane.
Comm Dir Stephanie Cutter backtracs..."he was wrong to say that we jumped all over him for that"
This whole OBL tape is a Rove trick, no doubt. The spinners have been told what to do, and Kerry needs to be very strong on this.
sylamore-- that link you gave is way messed up.
doesn't matter
that was cold war bloat
sorry friends on the anti-war side but I can't let this slide....there is no Army in the world that could compete with us. I led an infantry squad through the combat phase and in over 100 combat patrols in Baghdad and really, maybe you should enlist and see the truth. Technology allows us to have a smaller, more efficient force....the cost of tech. cuts into training so we had to have the trade off.....and frankly, from someone who walked the front line in combat, you don't know shit
OT again:
Of course, it's still Saturday afternoon in Philly, so you have a few hours to go until the clocks are put back. Sorry, atrios!
And of course I hope that the Bin Laden tape (authentic or not) is NOT going to help the Boy King.
OT: AP - NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq — U.S. forces launched airstrikes against suspected militant bases in Fallujah (search) and carried out probing attacks on the city's outskirts, as they prepared for a major operation in the insurgent bastion that has become the symbol of Iraqi resistance.
'Suspected militant bases' = houses. Too bad if the suspicions are wrong.
Walter Cronkite-- that old conspiracy theorist-- DID say that Rove may have engineered the Osama tape-- last night on Larry King.
He didn't say Rove "engineered" the Osama tape (more bullshit technicalese out of you), he said Rove sat on the tape for a couple of weeks and released it now. Apparently State has been pressuring al Jazeera to not play the tape for a few days.
Also, the musings of Walter Cronkite does not a fact make.
I think that if that tape is a bonafide Bin Laden's message, then Americans need to hear what he is actually saying:
WAKE UP!!!!!! I AM STILL AROUND!!!!! YOU DIDN'T GET ME!!!!! THE PAKISTANIS PROTECT ME!!!! BUSH WILL NEVER CATHC ME BECAUSE HE OWES MY SAUDI FAMILY!!!!
I CAN GET YOU ANYTIME I WANT - IT IS UP TO YOU TO CHANGE HOW THE WORLD VIEWS YOU.
** Music to GOTV by! **
Listen or Download at http://
unioncountyfordemocracy.o...beralposse.html (MP3 format). Lyrics below. Enjoy -- and pass it along!
Stronger and Wise
---------------------
To the tune of "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf
He'll get your motor runnin'
When he gets out on that highway
Makin' this election
One where we can have our say
John Kerry gonna make it happen
Take this world to a wanted change
Line up all your strong support come
Let's close out this race
They like floatin' liars
Smearin' the Real Deal here
Claimin' to protect us
But that the fear is comin' nearer
No, John Kerry he don't lay that trap man
He'll take the world to a wanted change
So line up all your strong support come
Help close out this race
Return our true nation's pride
Yeah he is stronger and wise
He will fight the fights
But never on a lie
Stronger and Wise
Stronger and Wise
Now get your motor runnin'
Get out on your byways
Help make this election
One where we can have the last say
Yeah John Kerry gonna make it happen
Lead the world to the wanted change
Line up all your strong support come
Let's close out this race
Return our true nation's pride
Cause Kerry's stronger and wise
Yeah he can fight the fight
But never on a lie
Stronger and Wise
Stronger and Wise
the kerry campaign should play this up like crazy and try to foment a backlash.
Someone in a previous thread said it looks like bin Laden has either had a nose job, or it's not the same guy in the video. Has anyone else notice a difference in his facial appearance?
Nevermind that Bush himself is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands, and that there is more blood on HIS hands than those of bin Laden.
OT
Monkeyfister's Weekend Goodies
Fun for Every Liberal Everywhere.
http://tinyurl.com/4p6y6
As posted to Bartcop Forum... Have fun. Send to a fence-sitting friend...
Tony B.
What Tena said at 4:48. I would only add "ratfuckers."
A few months after attacks, when people were still jittey, my subway got caught betwee stations. It was a little "New York thing," as my co-workers and I named those moments when we were afraid another attack was coming(I work across from the WTC). Anyway, one of the Wall Street guys, dressed in a lovely suit and Brooks Brothers raincoat, went and stood by the door and sobbed. Not cried, just sobbed. I never saw him again. Those co-workers hung around for a year or two then left and moved out of state.
The fact that these asswipes are using what happened to hold on to power after mismanaging our defense, economy, and our very way of life, makes me so fucking mad I can just barely be civil to rethugs at work. I am absolutely consumed with getting Bush out. I never donated to campaigns before his year. I make phone calls and talk and carry on like a crazy lady.
All that being said, I really do believe it will be a landslide. Remember the 80,ooo that turned out Philadelphia. The people waiting on long lines to vote. Those fuckers are toast.
Let's plastic sheet and duct tape these mfers to some wall in Manhattan, and let the people come by and spit on their faces for six months.
I think that's too good for this lot. While I like the idea of duct taping them to a wall, I think they should be souldered naked to the sidwalk in lower Manhattan overlooking Ground Zero, where they are forced to breathe only poisoned air and be stepped, pissed, and shat upon by passers-by, and periodically, someone should stick a piece of TNT up their asses and light the fuse, letting it run until the very last second, and then extinguish it.
They need to know fear and humiliation.
Since the OBL tape isn't time stamped, there's no way to tell when it was made.
I say this tape has been in Pakistan hands for awhile and just suddenly surfaced now...because Karl Rove realized The Chimp was taking a beating with the missing munitions. He needed something to break the bad news spin cycle this has been for Bush. Didn't the Pakistan government say they wanted Bush to be re-elected?
Has anyone else notice a difference in his facial appearance?
No.
Am I the only one that thinks Kerry needs to get off the high road in these last few days and go ballistic on the OBL thing?
Washingtonpost has Bush down a point today. Doesn't mean much, I think, but it's something.
Bush referred to 9/11 as winning the "trifecta", so it's no wonder they're calling OBL's tape a little gift.
But where's a translation of the whole thing? I don't get it. Al Jazeera sent it to broadcasters and the wusses turned it over to Bush?
Remember when:
a. getting Saddam would lead to a Shrub landslide.
b. the "roaring" economy would lead to a Shrub landslide.
c. the great bounce from the RNC would lead to a Shrub landslide.
d. Ronnie Reagan dying and the whole nation mourning would lead to a Shrub landslide.
e. "Mission Accomplished" would lead to a Shrub landslide.
now the idiot talking heads think having Bin Laden still alive is going to lead to a bush landslide...i am feeling better and better by the minute.
The Republicans view the bin Laden and anything that endangers Americans as a "gift" explains a lot about the way they've conducted themselves since 11 September: intently avoiding anything that might actually keep us safe.
David,
Right on. A, b, c, d, and e.
How does getting punked on TV by the World's Most Dangerous Man help Junta Boy?
Because it scares the moron-Americans who think the Chimp is the only one who can keep them safe from terr'ists. The Rove Reich knows it's base pretty well; all it has to to keep the wingnut sheeple in line is keep scaring the bejeebus out of em. Works everytime. Speaking of moron-Americans, the missus and I took a drive earlier today, and we must have passed a polling station somewhere because we spotted a mom and son standing on a street corner waving BUSH/CHENEY posters; I rolled down the window and gave them both a hearty "Sieg Heil!!" Goddamn, did that feel good! We passed by later on and found that the crowd of undead had grown to about 10 - the usual collection of pathetic misfits and Jeebus freaks - one of em waving a "HANOI KERRY" sign. What a bunch of sorry motherfuckers!
Email a letter to your editor obseerving that the bin Ladin tape reminded you that the Bush Administration has failed to 'smoke em out of his hole' and it reminded you all over again about the incompetent handling of 911 by this administration.
This is definitely no gift.
Geez, - My husband has been a Repug voter way longer than since 1980 and he pulled a straight Democratic ballot this time.
I can't believe there is anyone who would vote for these monsters.
I can't pretend to understand how the public interprets reality anymore. This is certainly surreal though. Very surreal. I mean Osama practically quotes David Cross! This is a very, very crafty tape, and it clearly is designed to be divisive.
1) The bad thing about this tape is that it uses liberal talking points. How can we make these points anymore without being labeled as 'with the terrorists'?
2) Bush's true believers are going to be reenergized by the tape, if they listen to it at all. Why? Paradoxically, because Osama's points are valid and logical! He reopens any seeds of doubt that may have been sown in the minds of those who have put their faith in this president and have been confronted with reality before. In other words, there's Bush, who represents faith, there's logic, and now there's evil reinforcing logic. Bush's faith-based flock will see this undoubtedly as a test of their resolve. It's such classic Christianity that it couldn't have been scripted better.
3) No one listens to Bin Laden. The majority of the public have no interest whatsoever as to the content of his message. All they're going to register is, "Osama's still alive, and he delivered a threat". That's it. It doesn't even matter that he didn't really deliver a threat. Osama=threat. that's it.
That CNN poll is still up: 23% think Bush will hunt OBL, %77 think KERRYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
Landslide!
I have always said that Osama bin Laden is the best friend George W. Bush ever had. Before 9/11, he was officially The Incredible Shrinking President. In the time it took 110 stories to pancake, he was Chimpoleon before whom all must bow.
There is a Latin expression, cui bono. It means who's good. If you want to know who did a thing, ask who benefits.
sorry, "whose good." dag nab grammar.
Only in America can the man responsible for the deaths of thousands be considered a "little gift" to the election prospects of the man who failed to prevent these deaths and failed to catch this same madman when he had the chance.
or
Only in America can the man responsible for the death and destruction of thousands under the apathetic, vacationing eye of the President then produce a video that is considered a "little gift" by the members of this President's party because they think this video will benefit this same President's re-(s)election chances.
and
finally, only in American will you find a media that feeds into and elevates the power and control of a crazed, terrorist, madman who was responsible for the most horrific attack on our country, by continuing to focus and speculate that this madman's most recent video tape will influence control over the election and the masses.
Bush and Bin Laden, mutual admiration society. Aided and abetted by the media.
Damn you can't make this stuff up!
What is amazing is that there is a rap sheet of screw ups a mile longover the past four years and people don't give a shit...
My wing nut, of the map far right fundamental christian in laws were in Columbus starry eyed and wearing their brown shirts hailing to the chief...
We have a little one on the way due in March and I swear if my in laws so much as utter one word about their political/"good christian" beliefs in my house they won't get in the front door...I despise them for being so closed minded and being borderline facists...
It's odd..my wife thnks the same way as I do..it's gonna get ugly at some point in the future.No way I allow them to infringe on my childs ability to "think" for oneself and formualte their own opinions...
WTF has happened to us ????
I wrote to the Dallas paper a few minutes ago. It endorsed Bush; the editor won't run my letter - I'm willing to bet on it.
Goddamn it, Bush has not done one fucking thing to make this country safer. Why would he? He uses fear to manipulate people. He's never going to go after bin Laden. Never.
I don't think
A. it's Bin Laden or
B. he's free
Only in America could a video image of a healthy and prosperous-looking man who is our arch-enemy be a good thing for the idiots who let him get away. We truly are living in "interesting times," which I believe is supposed to be a curse.
The bad thing about this tape is that it uses liberal talking points.
Huh? I think John Kerry's talking point is pretty clear:
"In response to this tape from Osama bin Laden, let me make it clear, crystal clear. As Americans, we are absolutely united in our determination to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden and the terrorists. They are barbarians. And I will stop at absolutely nothing to hunt down, capture or kill the terrorists wherever they are, whatever it takes. Period."
And Osama talking about Bush freezing up like a scared little bitch during My Pet Goat isn't a "liberal talking point," it's an observation from reality.
Drum isn't perfect, no blogger is perfect, and though I'm to the left of him, he is our ALLY, not our Enemy. So stop treating him like he's an appeaser.
Sorry, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. He's given plenty of reason to feel that way. This latest idiotic comment is just another nail in the coffin...
Bushboy ignored a direct warning from the CIA that Osama was going to attack the USA in August of 2001.
Osama attacks the US on 9/11 while Bushboy sits transfixed staring at "My Pet Goat" for seven minutes.
Osama is trapped in Tora Bora by the US Marines and moron Bushboy outsources the job of getting the mass murderer of 3000 people in NYC to the corrupt Warlords!
Osama escapes and lives to plot the bombing of En Tocha RR in Spain killing hundreds more people.
Now that the Osama tape proves he's still alive and plotting, the Goopers say "this is good for Bushboy?????"
Do they live in an alternative universe or are they just congenital perverts?
Tena et al....wake up. The loonies that inhabit this hole do not represent (thanks God) the USA. You guys probably agree with Cronkite, eh?
And yea, Bush really got "punked" by OBL, who is living in a spider hole somewhere, wondering when a bunker buster drops on his turban or one of his faithful guards turns him in.
Sorry, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. He's given plenty of reason to feel that way. This latest idiotic comment is just another nail in the coffin...
Drum definitely doesn't have the stiffest spine...it's absolutely beyond me how any reasonably intelligent person who considers himself a liberal could have supported the invasion of Iraq.
Rudy, truely amazing..it's surreal how news is "disseminated" today..Shrubs Soylent Green Doctrine.
I think OBL really should have sealed the deal by shouting "Him 'im with the chair! The CHAIR!"
But that's just me.
I gotta laugh; otherwise I'll break down and weep uncontrollably.
If Rove released this he made a mistake in timing. People will get over their initial "fear reaction" and then start thinking about it logically, starting tomorrow probably. This isn't going to help Bush-boy. Kerry is handling this perfectly....
I just had this sickening thought:
Rovesputin has had OBL for a while and this was the best time to release the tape. I wonder if OBL will be caught between now and Tuesday!! Who wants to bet???
Oh! Now I get it! If Osama points out the well documented facts that show how incompetent Bush is, then that means that we can't vote for anyone who has had the audacity to point out the facts which show how incompetent Bush is. In fact, that means that we have to elect Bush so that he can continue to be incompetent for 4 more years in order to show that bad man Osama that we don't like it when swarthy foreigners point out that our current unelected fraud leader is incompetent. Vote Bush - that'll teach Bin Laden!
You can run, and you can hide, and you can get away scot free after knocking down the world trade centers, but, by golly, you better not dare to criticize Bush! Ha!
OT
The blogads are making this site several times harder to download. I have broadband access, and turned off the security and it still didn't help so I know it's not my end.
Anyone else having this problem with blogads?
Atrios? You need to talk to the people serving this crap. Either they allow you to cache it so we don't have to go through several websites just to access yours or they are going to have to improve their server speeds.
Somebody translated the video from a swedish newspaper. and there are a lot of part that the mainstream media hides! Check this out.
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However both types have a similar nature: and it is the great majority of them who are arrogant, proud and greedy and are known for taking money unjustly.
This similarity was striking with Bush the Elder when he visited in the area. At the same time, some of our people (the Saudis) were fascinated by the USA and were hoping that his visit to our countries might influence us; however Bush instead became influenced by these people and their regimes, and he started to envy them, as they sit there for many decades in their positions and are stealing their country's money with any kind of audits or control. After that, he took up the same method of repression and restricting freedoms which under the guise of the Patriot Act, under the cover of the War on Terror.
Bush the Elder liked the idea that his sons would take over power from the father. He has also not forgotten the tactics of his own skills at voter cheating, like in Florida, so he could use them in an emergency.
http://
www.democraticunderground...ress=102x946056
and frankly, from someone who walked the front line in combat, you don't know shit
John Kerry was in the red zone of a shooting war. George W Bush went AWOL.
Which of these guys doesn't know shit?
Anonymous:
Bushboy's only doctrine is ME!
Notice ME!
Give ME!
Being POTUS is all about ME!
If he wasn't so dysfunctionally egocentric and had a brain, he might even be human!!
Lima,
Nah, WAY too obvious. Not Rovian enough. Catching him two weeks out, maybe. Not two days before.
Forgot to mention...remember when the idiots on the boob tube told us:
f. The Shifty Vets would lead to a Shrub landslide
g. Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" would lead to a Shrub landslide.
h. gay marriage would lead to a Shrub landslide.
yada yada yada. Don't let the idiots get you down...keep the faith like sox fans did when they got down 3 - 0. Don't worry if something comes up in the next few days it'll only be a temporary blip...yankees fans were ready to celebrate when Damon got thrown out at the plate in game 7 thinking it signified sox would choke again...we all know what happened on the next pitch. Do all you can on Tuesday to GOTV and we will bring this home just like the little soxies did...it won't even be close. Kerry will get at least 52 to 53%!
yeah right.
kerry wouldn't want to capitalize on terror or anything.
it's unthinkable, for any candidate.
>No way I allow them to infringe on my childs ability to "think" for oneself and formualte their own opinions...
WTF has happened to us ????<
It's always been that way, but not as much in the open, since Vietnam.
Last night I heard a very good interview on BBC with George Soros.
They asked him what would happen if Bush wins. He said that there will be a war. A culture war in this country, because the rightwing Christians will want GWB to follow though with their agenda.
Guess we can tell what the internal polling says:
President Bush and Sen. John Kerry are wooing crucial voters in battleground states Saturday as each candidate says he is the best to lead the nation in the war on terror. Bush did not mention a videotaped message purported to be from al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Kerry told his audience that all Americans -- Republicans and Democrats -- were united in their determination to kill bin Laden.
Rudy,
You should meet my mother. Every time Bush speaks, she goes ballistic on that same point. It's never about the victims or the soldiers or the citizenry -- it's always about how HE feels, what HE thinks.
Dude is a classic narcissist.
And yea, Bush really got "punked" by OBL, who is living in a spider hole somewhere, wondering when a bunker buster drops on his turban or one of his faithful guards turns him in.
Yeah, and when is this supposed to happen? Three years and counting....
By the way, by the looks of him in the tape, he certainly is NOT living in a "spider hole."
I believe Rove could be behind this, too. Or George himself with his close close ties to the bin Ladens. He could easily have communicated with the bin Laden family. They are in bed with each other and have been for years and years.
It sounds tinfoil hattish, but I don't care. The ties there go very deep and I would not be one bit surprised.
OT, but... who ya gonna call?
Ghostzapper!
Another joke: if 50k dead in Darfur is 'genocide', what do you call 100k dead in Iraq?
'Collateral damage'
yuk yuk
I think it is good to have someone like Kevin Drum around. He's a moderate and a voice of reason -- and most of the time, he agrees with the rest of us.
Dali was WAY pussy-whipped. He could hardly function without his wife to run the show.
Who's your daddy, Dali? Or, more importantly, Who's your mommy.
Maybe you should shave your head so Bush will slap you on your shiny pate and fart in your face.
--
WTF has happened to us ????<
It's always been that way
Kool Kids-I tend to agree though there may be more at stake now. Anyway, the shit is just floating closer to the surface than it did for Nixon, Reagan, etc.
"Nah, WAY too obvious. Not Rovian enough. Catching him two weeks out, maybe. Not two days before"
Rovesputin works in mysterious ways! Nothing is too obvious if it gets the vote. What the hell do they care.
Mike,
Avoiding collateral damage is hard work. It's HARD work!
It was kind of difficult handing out sample Democratic ballots today. It was difficult, because so many people said, "I already voted absentee and I voted for Kerry." And,it was difficult because so many people said, "I saved the sample Democratic ballot I got in the mail and I'm taking it with me on Tuesday." And, it was difficult because so many people said, "I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket on Tuesday, save it for someone who needs it." And, it was difficult because so many people said, "I've been donating and volunteering for Kerry for weeks now, thanks." And then there were all the people who said, "Thank you so much for what you're doing. I'm already voting for Kerry."
And, then there was that family of Republicans who came by and yelled, "We hate Heinz catsup!!" Oh, and the town drunk, who said Kerry should be shot for going over and consorting with Osama bin Laden, but I know he won't be voting anyway.
In the end, 8 hours, 2 sore legs, one hoarse throat, and 400 sample ballots handed out, I feel very good about our chances to turn Virgnia blue.
wolf-man -
the tape is not dated. OBL looks way too good.
And that is not his usual language.
remember folks, if bush gets reselected, our duty is to take it and accept it without question, even knowing full well that thousands more americans will die as a result.
http://russbaker.com/Guerrilla%2...%20-%
20Bush.htm
READ THIS ARTICLE ABOUT THE RECOLLECTIONS OF A GEORGE BUSH WOULD BE BIOGRAPHER! IT IS DISTURBING! (Via Raw Story)
"Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000
Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:59:47 -0700
War on my mind
By Russ Baker
Two years before 9/11, candidate Bush was already talking privately about attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer.
Houston: Two years before the September 11 attacks, presidential candidate George W. Bush was already talking privately about the political benefits of attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer, who held many conversations with then-Texas Governor Bush in preparation for a planned autobiography.
“He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999,” said author and journalist Mickey Herskowitz. “It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ And he said, ‘My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.’ He said, ‘If I have a chance to invade….if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.”
Herskowitz said that Bush expressed frustration at a lifetime as an underachiever in the shadow of an accomplished father. In aggressive military action, he saw the opportunity to emerge from his father’s shadow. The moment, Herskowitz said, came in the wake of the September 11 attacks. “Suddenly, he’s at 91 percent in the polls, and he’d barely crawled out of the bunker.”
That President Bush and his advisers had Iraq on their minds long before weapons inspectors had finished their work – and long before alleged Iraqi ties with terrorists became a central rationale for war – has been raised elsewhere, including in a book based on recollections of former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill. However, Herskowitz was in a unique position to hear Bush’s unguarded and unfiltered views on Iraq, war and other matters – well before he became president.
In 1999, Herskowitz struck a deal with the campaign of George W. Bush about a ghost-written autobiography, which was ultimately titled A Charge to Keep : My Journey to the White House, and he and Bush signed a contract in which the two would split the proceeds. The publisher was William Morrow. Herskowitz was given unimpeded access to Bush, and the two met approximately 20 times so Bush could share his thoughts. Herskowitz began working on the book in May, 1999, and says that within two months he had completed and submitted some 10 chapters, with a remaining 4-6 chapters still on his computer. Herskowitz was replaced as Bush’s ghostwriter after Bush’s handlers concluded that the candidate’s views and life experiences were not being cast in a sufficiently positive light."
>I believe Rove could be behind this, too.<
I agree Tena. The odds of this showing up on the Friday before the election, with Bush on the ropes is like hitting the lottery. What vile shits they are.
The Media=Traitors.
Hecate,
You're my hero! Way to go!
I read that a lot of the tape is exhortations for young secular Muslim men to join in the jihad. The bits that were not published, that is.
A reassuring little non-statistic: Yahoo's top-20 ratings of news photos a few minutes ago was showing 10 various Kerry-campaign photos, a couple of sexy pinups, and some sad/gruesome Iraq pics. Not one of Bush or remotely associated with his campaign.
I'd love to see a last-minute campaign video of Bush's "trifecta" comment, his remark about not being concerned about OBL, and a hit about him using 9/11 scenes shamelessly in his latest attack on Kerry. A dramatic scene of a beautiful wolf (Kerry) on a hilltop faithfully guarding his pack below (with some young wolf cubs playing) mightn't be amiss either--I suspect there are some "wolf packs" who'd happily cooperate.
I've got a little gift fot Bush, which I'll deliver to him via the polling place on Tuesday. As much as I would like it to be in a paper sack and flaming, I'll have to settle for my ballot. But, that's good enough.
Maybe if OBL gets put in jail he can take over Mumia's weekly messages. He appears to want to be a philosopher.
Let's have W debate with OBL.
In a room with a time-bomb.
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Someone in a previous thread said it looks like bin Laden has either had a nose job, or it's not the same guy in the video. Has anyone else notice a difference in his facial appearance?
Here's a link with OBL's pic from the most recent tape and from the one two years ago. I think it's the same guy, just looking a whole lot better. Being on the run must be good fo rhim.
I am Dali,
You're surreal.
Bushboy, always incompetent and a liar
Was a coward when Vietnam was dire
"War President!" says he
Safe in Washington, DC
While sending others to die in Iraq's fire!
His horn about
Note: there has been some action in Afghanistan these past couple of weeks. Anything is possible.
fuck bush. we're taking him out.
feels good!
I received a republican Pamphlet in the mail. It had all anti-Kerry stuff on the front with 8- September 12th national newspaper headlines, with the towers burning. Open it up and it got a big picture again of the towers burning. Terra! Terra!
The assholes can't talk about healthcare or jobs or anything positive-Just want to keep reminding people of the horror of 9-11- and what a good job they are doing and how bad Kerry will handle the war on terror. I would wipe my ass with this pamphlet, but it would hurt!
BTW-I received 6 pamphlets from the Kerry/Edwards campaign and they are all positive.
People who were going to vote Kerry aren't going to change their mind because of OBL tape. If anything it reminds people that an american murderer is still out there and can hide.
Bin L love Bush. The guys his best recruiter. Why would they want him to go away?
i heard some details about the marines who were killed. apparently they were attacked by a suicide car bomb. . . AFTER THEIR FUCKING TRUCK BROKE DOWN.
OT - Justin Frank on CSPAN now.
Hoo Boy - it was taped 10/25
Bush is unable to think
Where's the Kerry ad with Bush at the debate saying that he never said he didn't want to get Osama (EX-AJ-ER-AY-SHUN) juxtaposed over his press conference (I don't really think about Osama, I don't know where he is, etc...). Then show a still from the latest Osama video. Hammer Bush! Don't let up! Let's see this ad. Call it "Osama Incompetence".
I'm so impressed with your work, Hecate. I used to live in Virginia and I think it is so cool that there's a chance there. Now I live in Oklahoma. (No chance here, let me tell you. We liberals are thin on the ground. However, since Tom Coburn is so very corrupt, there IS a chance we might elect conservative Democrat Brad Carson to the Senate.)
I'd love to see a last-minute campaign video of Bush's "trifecta" comment,
Me too. I emailed Move On about the "trifecta" comment a month ago and also posted info about it all over the NET, even giving them info on when I heard it in a Bush speech (in the fall of 2001 in a North Carolina speech on CNN). I think CNN still has it in their archieve.
NBC is having a special edition of Meet the Press with Timmy..just starting now.
Boy, am I interested in Timmy's take on all of this....
He is interviewing Dashle now.
Wow. Bush looks worse (kind of like a Gollum thing going on) and Osama looks better. He should thank George for allowing him to rest and recuperate.
Hecate, my dear,
I wish I were there to massage your poor tired, sore footsies and legs.
Rock on. BB
Did OBL only threaten the "red" states?
Bushboy is a national disgrace.
He should not only be voted out of office, but he should be prosecuted for crimes committed while in the WH.
Especially for lying to Congress about the need for war with Iraq.
Thousands are dead and thousands more are disabled, dismembered and/or deranged because of the lies of this fool in the WH!
Hecate - you blessed creature - there is no way I can ever thank you enough for all that work and for your encouraging words.
Reality and my gut tell me that Kerry is winning and will win on Tuesday.
I wish my anxiety wasn't constantly poking me in the ribs. I cannot accept Bush as preznit again. I just cannot and will not.
Think about this before you cast your vote.
Look at the following list of names and consider who they would most likely vote for if they were allowed to vote in our coming election,
Martin Luther King
Abraham Lincoln
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Paine
Gandhi
Eleanor Roosevelt
Robert Kennedy
Nelson Mandela
Bishop Tutu
The Lorax
When you cast your vote will you be voting the same way as you think the above people will vote?
How closely aligned with these people will you be?
Well, Bush's ghostwriter confirms my recent account of the true hidden agenda the administration had for Iraq. Number one on Georgie's list was "to prove to the world I can outdo my dad, by finishing up what he left undone."
Which makes media whore complicity all the more shameful, because these guys are so transparent.
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Tena, I also feel in my gut that Kerry is winning and I believe he WILL win if the vote is fair. My anxiety, however, is about all the reports of voter suppression and my fears about those Diebold machines. I really don't know how to calm myself down about that.
Concerned Citizens for a Safer America will be running national spots on Wolf Blitzer, Lou Dobbs, Paula Zahn and Larry King Live. The visual features Bush reading "My Pet Goat" in front of the school children.
Audio is a quote from Martin Luther King: "The ulitmate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Keep an eye for these. These spots were produced and booked before the OBL tape was even known about. I think they'll be powerful.
"Where's the Kerry ad with Bush at the debate saying that he never said he didn't want to get Osama (EX-AJ-ER-AY-SHUN) juxtaposed over his press conference (I don't really think about Osama, I don't know where he is, etc...). Then show a still from the latest Osama video. Hammer Bush! Don't let up! Let's see this ad. Call it "Osama Incompetence"
I AGREE WITH THIS!!! KERRY NEEDS TO HAMMER BUSH!!!!!
I just rented "BOB ROBERTS"
A good movie for this weekend - fits with the holloween/election mood.
Number one on Georgie's list was "to prove to the world I can outdo my dad, by finishing up what he left undone."
The Bush Boy is a fool, plain and simple. While I was no fan of 41, Junior couldn't carry his jockstrap.
After we get the lil' dickens out of office, we should put his sorry ass in colonial locks and let all comers paddle his wussy little ass.
All the hope I see on "lefty" (though I'd consider Atrios & such moderate) blogs is encouraging.
Is there anything like this going on in wingnut world? I go to freeperville sometimes, but can't really navigate that site, so I have no idea what goes on over there.
I live in Mississippi & being a non-bush worshiper is like being the only person at the party who's not dosing.
Elaine in NY- Justin Frank on CSPAn is pretty amusing. Bush is a dry drunk with a really messed up childhood.
I remember how Jimmy Carter's reelection prospects went up every time Ayatollah Khomeini was mentioned too.
Not.
Just got back from GOTV at Dem Hdq for Washington Co, Oregon, just outside of Portland. Dem office is right next door to the Repugs, and there were at least twice as many cars on our side! The office was jammed with volunteers. During phonebanking, I reached one guy that didn't realize he had to vote by mail here and now has to drop off his ballot. He searched through a massive pile of mail while I had him on the phone and finally found the friggin ballot. This is what it's all about and people really appreciate the phone calls! To date, Oregon has 51% or 1 million ballots cast. Compared to 2000, that's a massive 250,000 more! Attorney General thinks we'll hit 86%. Things are looking great out here folks!
Ellie
I worked to damn f**cking hard for Kerry not win. A lot of people have volunteered that never volunteered before. We all had one mission-To make sure Bush never sees a 2nd term.
There is no way you can tell me that with all the new voters, college students, some elderly that we are not going to take this thing, As long as everyone who registered shows up--we got those rethugs outnumbered.
Where's the ad showing Guiliani thanking OBL for making him a national hero?
Ad four years from now: It took 9/11 to make Guiliani human. Now make him president!
ErinPDX - That's just awsome. Thanks so much for that. Woo hoo!
Once Kerry is elected the mediawhores will turn on him with a vengeance for defying their blundering blowhard bombasts that called him a loser.
Nothing hurts more than being proved wrong and having your own words come back to haunt you.
They will not forgive Kerry and we shouldn't forgive them for being the scumbags they are!
Pvt Sal Paradise, if Atrios is moderate, whom do you consider "lefty"? It's an honest question as I'm new to the blog world.
We are on track for historic turnout in this election. Voters are coming out in record numbers for John Kerry.
And that has the Republicans scared.
They have no plan, no hope, no way to win this election except to stop people from voting. Their strategy is simple:
1.Discourage Democratic voters from going to the polls by filling the airwaves with predictions of doom and gloom.
2.Delay voting and create lines at polls by challenging voters and election officials.
3.Deny voters the opportunity to cast their votes and have them counted.
But their strategy won't work. We will stop their attempts to deny our rights by using the best weapons in our arsenal: information and education.
It's vital that you know your voting rights. Take a minute today to make sure that others know their rights, too. Download our guide to voting rights:
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Make sure to print out multiple copies and help us spread the word by distributing them as widely as you can.
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Remember: Voting is your right, and you are protected under the law. Exercise your right by voting for John Kerry, John Edwards, and all our Democratic candidates on November 2!
All Kerry had to say to spin this in his favor was:
"We see that Osama is still on the loose three years after 9-11. Moreover, if he should get his hands on any one of those 380 tons of missing explosives, then the Bush regime's failures will be even more compounded."
But, naaaaah.
Establishment Democrats don't have those kind of BALLS.
Ben Franklin would vote for Kerry, and throw one bitchin election night party. I bet the girl/guy ratio would be like 3 to 1.
Is Mary Cheney still a terrorist lesbian from Mars?
WaPo/ABC News tracking poll (first since "the tape")
Bush 49% -- down 1
Kerry 48% -- UP 1
I refuse to believe this poll. It is not consistant with what the pundits are saying. When in doubt, I defer to the pundits.
Thanks, meme. That's reassuring.
I wish the campaign aid who called obl's threats a little gift would be identified. It sickens me. On a high note however, I don't believe for a second that the country is preoccupied with terrorism this weekend. This morning, in my very republican enclave in north jersey, the talk was all Kerry. Everywhere we went, people were up on Kerry. Tomorrow is Halloween, no one is watching the news. Kerry/Edwards with a mandated!
If someone needs information about voting, I would suggest ignoring the spammer's PAC and contacting ElectionProtection2004. Atrios has their 800 number at the top of the page.
I can vouch for them - I belong to the PAC. I'm not at all sure about this other org - that guy's been spamming the threads for days with that comment.
Have you contacted your Corporate Media Whore today?
http://www.fair.org/media-contac...ntact-
list.html
And how does the ABC News homepage translate the latest one-point tracking poll, in which Bush dropped a point and Kerry gained? Why, like this, of course:
President Bush takes 49-48 percent edge into final weekend, ABC News tracking poll finds.
f**k you Repub stragegist.
Pvt Sal paradise
I can not imagine what it must be like to live in a red state. Bless you hardy souls. Northeast PA-is Kerry country. Whatever Bush/Cheney signs were around they are no longer. We have billboards that are all pro Kerry, bumper stickers. People walk around town with Anti-Bush tee-shirts and everyone is amused. We are suppose to be a swing state-But not this part of PA.
I volunteered for Gore campaign as well, I can tell you that never in my lifetime have I seen so much positive energy towards an election. We volunteers are all saying Landslide and don't want to get too optimistic-but the repub office down the street is a lonely place.
I was talking with my sister in Indiana (she's an R, poor thing) and she said, wonder how soon before Osama shows up in leg irons? (We figured maybe Sunday night, Monday morning.) She's not a blogaddict like us, so the idea that the Rs have Osama on ice, ready to be trotted out before the cameras any time, must be pretty widespread.
Hey, whenever Bush has been in trouble, he calls a bin Laden. Man, remember that one time his stolen presidency was going down the tubes, and this real nice bin Laden fella dropped a miracle from the sky? Of course they're excited to hear from him again. People love it when old friends call.
strawhat, do you think they'd be so blatant as to do it NOW? How could the whole world not know that it was staged? Do they not even care? Are our people so stupid as to buy it? God, it makes me CRAZY just to contemplate the idea.
OT, but --
On an earlier thread I said that I
thought it was odd that Osama's
joke about attacking Sweden was
genuinely -- deliberately -- funny
and that it was unusual that crazed
fanatics have a sense of humor or
irony.
Some folks didn't get my point, so
let me clarify it.
My point about Osama and the Sweden
joke was not that I think Osama is
cool.
The fact that he's capable of irony
makes me paranoid that he's a
construct. In other words, if's got writers, maybe he's just
a character in drama being directed
by people we don't even know about.
steve simels | Email | Homepage | 10.30.04 - 6:27 pm | #
Olaf G & B: I heard some details about the marines who were killed. apparently they were attacked by a suicide car bomb. . . AFTER THEIR FUCKING TRUCK BROKE DOWN.
Very sad. I wonder if any of the missing explosive material from Al-Qaaqaa was used in the bomb.
What is WRONG with your sister?
Terry C
The same thing that's wrong with my winger brother. He's delusional by the way.
Hecate, you're a hero! I would love to see VA turn blue, that would fit in nicely with my plan to humiliate chimpy and crush him utterly on election day!!
That's the plan folks, complete and totally electoral annihilation on election day!!
Gee, ain't the media whores gonna be surprised??? 
Oh, and I meant to add that the cameraman for the local news told me that it's all over and Kerry's winning by a landslide. He's never seen the Democrats so energized and the Republicans so dispirited and desperate and he also says the bin Laden tape has only hurt Bush. And then he said he's already voted absentee for Kerry since he has to work on election day, but he did take a sample ballot for his mother. I know northern VA is a Democratic stronghold, but that's the point. We're going to have a turnout that will more than make up for the more conservative regions of the state.
late to the thread, and been said before, but i must vent.
These people are just fucking vile.
FWIW, I predict Kerry will win with 293 electoral votes; 320 if he takes Florida, but he doesn't really have to.
"osama bin ladin is living in a spider hole. . ."
i doubt it. i doubt he is even in afghanistan. if i were him i would be hiding in saudi arabia. i think he would be foolish to be anywhere else.
Eric Blair was a genius.
Ellie-
"Are our people so stupid as to buy it?"
About 48% unfortunately are.
Jimmy James posted the voting rights comment - and I'm sorry I thought it was the spammer who has been hitting every thread with the telephone no. of some PAC that is not a Democratic PAC.
So sorry Jimmy James - I should learn to slow down a little when I'm reading comments.
Steve, I actually think you have a point about Bin Laden being a construct.
Steve:
Don't forget that he's college educated. Dictators and terrorist leaders have to be clever and charismatic. We have a hard time accepting the idea that America's enemies could have desirable traits because of our long history of portaying them as base idiots in propoganda, from political cartoons to South Park.
Hecate
I never realised you were in VA-This is one of states I believe will turn blue, and West Virginia and Arkansas.
Are there any plans for the Kerry/Edwards campaign to visit there in the next 2 days?
"i know northern virginia is a democratic stronghold. . ."
yeah. it's also where a huge percentage of the population of the state lives.
Doesn't considering a tape from OBL "a gift" count as giving aid and comfort to the enemy?
Just sayin'...
"osama bin ladin is living in a spider hole. . ."
i doubt it. i doubt he is even in afghanistan. if i were him i would be hiding in saudi arabia. i think he would be foolish to be anywhere else.
This is just my gut feeling.
If Bush wins, we are going to find out that Bin Laden is hiding in Iran. And then we'll get the drumbeat for the invasion.
No proof or reasons. Just a gut feeling.
Reading some of these threads is giving me really nasty flashbacks to the runup to invading Iraq. You've got the idiot right saying that Bin Laden gives them the right to do anything they want and be free from criticism.
The idiot media keeps saying "WE ARE AT WAR"
And the idiot left keeps saying "well gee. I think Bin Laden really makes sense."
Nasty flashbacks to 2001/2002.
Let's hope we've learned from experience. Let's not let the right or the media distract us. And let's not let the idiot left inadvertently become part of the right's spin by arguing that we have no right to go after Bin Laden at all.
Let's stay focued on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
Re: my crackpot paranoid fantasy about
Osama --
I just can't think of another historical
example of a funny fanatic.
Bin Laden's family is the second wealthiest family in Saudi Arabia - that is more money than I can even imagine. They are all cosmopolitan, educated, sophisticated people. Osama is as well - he just did the Muslim equivalent of Bush's big conversion to xianity.
Christ - it's fucking creepy - they are like mirror images of each other.
Osama is not stupid. Ted Bundy was not stupid. Charles Manson is not stupid. Evil guys are not stupid. They're just evil. Bush, however is stupid.
It is creepy, Tena. Except Bin Laden is a lot smarter than Bush.
"I just can't think of another historical
example of a funny fanatic."
I can't think of any, either, but there should be a punk band called 'Funny Fanatic.'
Three trick or treaters so far. One Spiderman, one Cheney, one Bush. Bush said, "Trick or treat, I'm about to get beat." Cheny said, "Give me candy or we're all going to die." Spiderman (their little brother) just said "Trick or treat." I love my neighborhood.
It sounds tinfoil hattish, but I don't care. The ties there go very deep and I would not be one bit surprised.
Tena
Tinfoil hat? Nah. In the words of the ancient philostopher, "Rove is not only more evil than we imagine, he is more evil that we can imagine"'
And anyway, there is no tinfoil hat stout enough to block the Rovian Vibrations...
It was a bright cold election day in November, and the clocks were striking thirteen...buh-bye Bush.
First a calming breath...
Better?
OK, now, and this is very important, ignore your television.
No matter the decades of announcements telling you that anchorman X loves you and is working hard for you please realize that most, in the major cities and on the major nets, make more in a 2 week pay period than you make in an entire year.
In addition to the on-camera stars' individual vast wealth realize that the handful of corporations who own the bulk of out radio and television properties have spent the last 10-15 years eliminating suspected and known liberal thinkers from newsrooms and corporate food chains under the handy guise of "cost-cutting".
Others in the media have been compromised with more salacious evidence to ensure their docile principle-free behavior.
Consider:
Have you EVER watched any net or even C-SPAN rebroadcast the morning of September 11, 2001 except in the tiniest of chunks or do a real comparative timeline, involving all relevant entities, of that morning?
Anyone ever see or hear of Col. Joe Dowdy since his removal from the battlefield during the drive to Baghdad?
Has anyone ever watched a replay of the entire broadcast of the fall of the Saddam statue?
Has anyone EVER noticed a drop in illegal drugs crossing our border after 911 or any shortages other than Flu vaccine or large price increases other than for gasoline?
The transnational corps want all of us to live dumb, work hard, buy lots of crap and and die young before our benifits kick into effect...
The media isn't your friend...oh its cameras capture live events fairly well when pointed at them but, all things considered, major corporate media is an individaul households' most corrupting influence.
Turn away from the light, Carol Ann...before it's too late.
Ellie - yeah, and in a way that mirrors Bush's stupidity. Though I'll say this about Bush - intellectual he is certainly not and he's exceptionally lazy. But he is shrewd, he has cunning and guile to spare. He's a scary motherfucker.
When I watched him in the first debate, cold chills ran down my spine. He scared the shit out of me. His kind of stupid is the brutal kind of stupid that criminals often are.
The blogads are making this site several times harder to download. I have broadband access, and turned off the security and it still didn't help so I know it's not my end.
Anyone else having this problem with blogads?
Sometimes, with some of 'em. If you have (or can get) Firefox, there's an extension called AdBlock. You can use it to zap almost any ad that causes you problems. I use it EVERYWHERE on other sites, but only on ads causing me problems here.
I just can't think of another historical
example of a funny fanatic.
Have you really studied enough history to make this generalization. It seems to be something you want to believe, so you're trying really hard to shut out anything that will compete with it.
George Wallace was a very funny guy, for example.
But even if your unproven historical axiom is true, what makes you think Bin Laden is a true believer rather than somebody who manipulates religious feeling for his own will to power.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that someone from the Middle East can have a sense of irony?
Do you speak Arabic? I don't. I have no clue about Middle Eastern humor.
Maybe Anglo Saxon fanatics are humorless but can you really tell me that Pol Pot never told a joke (I have no idea if he did or not) or Robert Mugabe or Mussolini?
Actually, the similarities between OBL and Bush are striking:
They both espouse a radical, fundamential religion.
They are both from wealthy families and neither one had to make his own way in the world.
They both got cushy jobs because of their family's connections.
They are both incurious about the world. (Given the opportunity to study abroad like his siblings, OBL chose to stay close to home.)
They both have a large cult-like following of fanatics who fail to see their failures.
Two peas in a pod.
Unvote for George Bush. It's doubleplusgood!
I came in late and have been slowly reading most of the posts. Really terrific stuff here. I am loving it.
On Texas voting: I live in one of the most conservative counties in Texas and home to the nation's largest military base, Fort Hood. Early voting is breaking all records. County clerks office is predicting record breaking turnout..way over any other on record. Every Democrat I know has already voted. At least, maybe we can keep Bush's percentage of victory low.
Dave and Kevin Drum
Part of why I like being a Democrat is that I think we are more tolerant of differing opinions. I do not want a party that marches lock step like the Rethugs. I welcome differing views. Also, I like that trolls are not "locked" out of most of our blogs, unlike many of the conservative ones that shut you out when they hear a discouring word.
Kevin does not need to agree with us 100 percent of the time..no one here does..we are open and express opinions.
In all the reasons for a Bush landside listed awhile back, I think we missed out on the one where capturing Saddam Hussain was going to give Bush a big surge...yea, right, there are no surges left. No matter what.
New Jersey- VERY HAPPY to hear about all the Kerry lovers in Jersey, that state worries me..
Electoral count_ I am coming up with 289 for Kerry if we get back Hawaii. I am not counting Florida, which I think will go for Kerry, without voter fraud..only because I think they will really pull out all the stops to STEAL it away/contest the result in that state. I feel better about Ohio.
release the whole tape. if bush edits it, it might as well be a campaign ad. f-ing b-sh*t!
meme,
Unfortunately, I don't think so, but I do think we're going to go blue. The K/E campaign did give us a chunck of change for radio ads in the last week or so and our Democratic governor is working hard. I think the lines on election day will go around the block several times. I've never seen anything like this.
I handed out lots of Spanish buttons today and a group of construction workers (who in NoVa tend to be recent Hispanic immigrants) all pulled out their voter registration cards to show me and were so excited about Kerry. Their enthusiasm was so high; we have to win.
New Jersey- VERY HAPPY to hear about all the Kerry lovers in Jersey, that state worries me..
I think it depends on the turnout. New Jersey is very similar to Michigan and Ohio. You have mulitcultural, largely Democratic cities, middle of the road suburbs, and conservative rural areas. If enough people from the cities turn out, Bush will lose badly. If they get scared and stay home (and this is where the security issues will come into play) the rural areas and the suburbs could make it close. I'd really hate for New Jersey to become this year's Florida but it's not really beyond imagining.
Yes, Tena, I think you're right. I've always thought that Bush DOES have a low cunning. And he terrified me that first debate as well. Steve has nothing on me in the paranoia department, I'm afraid. I think (I really do think this) that Bush WANTS to get us into Armageddon - that it will give him some sort of perverse satisfaction (the ultimate power trip) to bring about the end of the world. It is the sickest form of thanatos. Not content with a death wish for himself, he wishes it on the planet. I think he is frighteningly evil.
release the whole tape. if bush edits it, it might as well be a campaign ad. f-ing b-sh*t!
if i were him i would be hiding in saudi arabia. i think he would be foolish to be anywhere else.
Makes sense. If I want to hide from you, and I know there's a place you can't look, that's where I'm gonna be.
I spent the day with Election Protection in Philly. Some people went out canvassing, and the rest of us put the kits together for the poll monitoring on Tuesday-Voter Rights flyers, affidavit forms, camera, cell phone, etc. We were
a diverse group in a rather funky section of the city-white baby boomers like me, young African American kids, Latinos, everybody was there.
Tena et al....wake up. The loonies that inhabit this hole do not represent (thanks God) the USA. You guys probably agree with Cronkite, eh?
And yea, Bush really got "punked" by OBL, who is living in a spider hole somewhere, wondering when a bunker buster drops on his turban or one of his faithful guards turns him in.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 10.30.04 - 5:45 pm | #
Ha ha. That's funny. You actually believe that Osama lives in a cave, wow! I bet you think that the moon is made of green cheese and Ashlee Simpson is not a lip syncher!
If I want to hide from you, and I know there's a place you can't look, that's where I'm gonna be.
And if I want to go down in a blaze of glory against the Great Satan, I'd be in Iraq.
But here's the little test I'd have for Osama and for anybody who thinks he actually cares about the Muslim world.
Let him make it clear he's not in Iran because if Bush is reelected, and there's any way to make it look as if the Mullahs are hiding him, then a lot of people in Iran are going to die when we invade.
And then Bin Laden will move onto the next host country and get people killed there too just the way he did in Afghanistan.
But, you see, Bin Laden doesn't care about Muslim lives any more than Bush cares about Democracy.
As far as New Jersey-the state government is in the hand of Democrats, along with all the major urban areas-Newark, Jersey City, etc. So it's really hard for R's to play their voter suppression games there.
Pretty large Arab American population, and if Zogby is right, they'll be voting Kerry.
Ellie said, do you think they'd be so blatant as to do it (trot out Osama in handcuffs from where they've been keeping him on ice lo these many months) NOW? How could the whole world not know that it was staged? Do they not even care? Are our people so stupid as to buy it? God, it makes me CRAZY just to contemplate the idea.
And I reply, I guess my description of my conversation with my sister wasn't clear. What I wanted to get at was that even a Republican in Indiana who isn't a blog junkie is wise to the Rs' tricks. She won't be fooled. She knows if they trot him out in chains that it's a cynical ploy to fool the ignorant.
So in answer to your question, how could the whole world not know it was staged, I have to say, the whole world will know it was staged. Those sweet little Republican grandmas in Indiana will know it was staged and they won't like it one bit. They don't like it when people treat them as if they're stupid.
Ellie, my tinfoil hat is vibrating on a similar frequency. I've gotten pretty confident that Kerry will win, but I'm very worried about what Bush and his cronies will do -- especially overseas -- before January 20. They'll have plenty of time to poison the wells and salt the fields (only figuratively, I hope) before we ride them out of town on a rail.
Start stockpiling that tar and feathers, folks.
I like to check out the local newspapers online to get a feel of what is going on in the individual states. I posted yesterday, a scandel with a republican politician in WV who was stealing money from the state to finance a placard for Bush. The paper was going after him big time. Also early voters in Arkansas were being asked after they voted who they voted for and the majority voted for Kerry.
As far as New Jersey-the state government is in the hand of Democrats, along with all the major urban areas-Newark, Jersey City, etc. So it's really hard for R's to play their voter suppression games there.
Pretty large Arab American population, and if Zogby is right, they'll be voting Kerry.
New Jersey will probably go for Kerry but it's not terribly bright to consider it a solidly liberal state. It's a very flaky place.
It's multicultural and close to NYC (no part of the state is far from a real city) so that gives it a liberal quality. But it's also a state that's based on a "white flight" culture.
A lot of people who live there are people who left New York, hate it, and anything remotely associated with Manhattan or liberalism.
I simply don't think it should be a litmus test. I can actually imagine Bush losing Ohio and Wisconin by huge margins and winning New Jersey.
OBL living in a cave? He looked like he just came back from club Med.
Swr, are you saying OBL WOULD be in Iran, or are you saying that Bush would just CLAIM he's there. Because if it's the first, you are way off. OBL is Sunni fundamentalist, the Iranians are Shia. No way he's in league with them. Same deal with Hezbollah, Shia group, no ties to OBL.
Well, strawhat, now that I think about it, I would have thought it a bit late in the game to trot out an Osama TAPE they've had on ice. And I'm not sure they didn't do that. However, it may not be doing them all that much good. But could it be legit? (The tape, I mean, and the timing?) The problem is, I just don't trust anything that happens right now, I think we're so manipulated by those who engineer public opinion.
Swr, are you saying OBL WOULD be in Iran, or are you saying that Bush would just CLAIM he's there. Because if it's the first, you are way off. OBL is Sunni fundamentalist, the Iranians are Shia.
I'm not saying either. I'm saying it will be strongly implied that Bin Laden's in Iran and then, just like the WMDs in Iraq, they won't find him. Ooops.
"And, then there was that family of Republicans who came by and yelled, "We hate Heinz catsup!!" "
Don't we have laws in this country about siblings impregnating each other and producing idiots?
------------------------------------
"Oh, and the town drunk, who said Kerry should be shot for going over and consorting with Osama bin Laden, but I know he won't be voting anyway."
I thought it was the Bush family who were SO close to the bin Ladens.
Swr, are you saying OBL WOULD be in Iran, or are you saying that Bush would just CLAIM he's there. Because if it's the first, you are way off. OBL is Sunni fundamentalist, the Iranians are Shia.
But what I am saying is that if Bin Laden really cares about the lives of Muslims and their security, he'd make it very clear he's not in Iran.
Because he should know that a lot of people in the US have a hard on to invade.
But he doesn't. Muslims are just a way for him to get power and attention for himself. Well, I don't know the man but that's my guess.
As far as New Jersey-the state government is in the hand of Democrats, along with all the major urban areas-Newark, Jersey City, etc. So it's really hard for R's to play their voter suppression games there.
Pretty large Arab American population, and if Zogby is right, they'll be voting Kerry.
I'm originally from Philadelphia, but in February 1997, I moved to Gloucester City, right is about a half-hour away from Philadelphia.
My town is HEAVILY Democratic.
They tried to start a Republican club here a couple years ago, but I don't think the idea got off the ground.
The Kerry strategist was on Air America Saturday. I hardly remember his name (Joe ?), I'm always too busy praying that he doesn't mess Kerry up.
Today he did good. He talked about the "gift." I'm sure the thugs were waiting to hear something like "is it supposed to be a gift to Kerry?" so Bush would have a quote 'His advisor said it is a "gift to Kerry"' Nope, he was very careful with his words. He emphasized that he couldn't understand what kind of 'gift' this was, America does not think this is a 'gift'.
Clearly, only Republican strategists think the OBL rant is a 'gift.'
New Jersey will probably go for Kerry but it's not terribly bright to consider it a solidly liberal state.
So who the fuck died and appointed you the pundit of the Garden State? I was born here, lived here > 50 years. It's not terribly bright to insult people without knowing who you're talking to.
So who the fuck died and appointed you the pundit of the Garden State? I was born here, lived here > 50 years. It's not terribly bright to insult people without knowing who you're talking to.
I'm not insulting you. I said "one shouldn't necessarily think New Jersey is liberal" and my comment about it "not being bright" was directed at the universal "you' not the "you" you.
New Jersey isn't liberal. It could go either way, even if Kerry wins.
I was born here, lived here > 50 years.
You know what's interesting about New Jersey. It has no identity or community. It depends on the NYC and Philadelphia media. It has no real state University that draws the majority of it's high-school students the way Ohio or Michigan does.
My point. You could live there 100 years and any generalization you'd have would be meaningless. It depends on what town you live in and who you know.
I received a republican Pamphlet in the mail. It had all anti-Kerry stuff on the front with 8- September 12th national newspaper headlines, with the towers burning. Open it up and it got a big picture again of the towers burning. Terra! Terra!
The assholes can't talk about healthcare or jobs or anything positive-Just want to keep reminding people of the horror of 9-11- and what a good job they are doing and how bad Kerry will handle the war on terror. I would wipe my ass with this pamphlet, but it would hurt!
aWol: keeping America safe since 9.12.01
SWR-if you did not mean to insult me, then I stand corrected for taking it that way. Actually, I know that the rural areas are pretty Republican. But they are taxcut Republicans, or hereditary Republicans not the born again Xtian kind. Because a lot of them commute to places like NYC to work, they cannot live in a red state bubble of ignorance. They know this is the area that got hit, and we are not getting the money for 1st responders. I think NJ will stay blue.
New Jersey does have the best roads-Highways at least in the NorthEast.
My favorite vacation place-Nothing beats the southern Jersey shore and it is definitely under rated.
Karin-We are in the same boat in NE PA-we all commute into NYC. Didn't Gore win by 16% in 2000.
Okay-checked myself NJ -Gore won by 16%-56-40 and Nader had 3%-Is Nader on the ballot there again?
They know this is the area that got hit, and we are not getting the money for 1st responders. I think NJ will stay blue.
It probably will but I'm just saying it's a weird place.
I can honestly imagine a Kerry landslide with New Jersey going red.
I thought I lived in a multi-cultural, largely liberal town, but every freaking week the town gets plastered with National Alliance stickers.
And somehow the cops don't seem to interested in stopping it.
It's bizzarre, nasty cultural wasteland, probably liberal but who really knows what 9/11 and the constant terror alerts will do.
Most of your Arabs, blacks, liberal suburban Jews, and Hispanics will go Democratic.
But God only knows which way all of those blue-collar Irish and Italian Catholics will vote. Maybe they'll vote for Kerry and maybe they're all psycho Arab haters now and will vote for Bush.
As for the Hindus in Middlesex County, I doubt even Krishna knows how they'll vote.
Okay-checked myself NJ -Gore won by 16%-56-40 and Nader had 3%-Is Nader on the ballot there again?
Yes.
SWR-
thanks for the answer.
A non-profit Florida group is purchasing air time this weekend in major markets in eight battleground states to show a 30-minute television special featuring Swift Boat Veterans and POWs for Truth, the group challenging Sen. John Kerry's version of his war record and his antiwar activities.
With 13 stations already lined up, including five in Florida, Campaign Truth says it can broadcast the special on three more stations if it can raise an additional $15,000 by noon Eastern time today.
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I just rented "BOB ROBERTS"
A good movie for this weekend - fits with the holloween/election mood.
lima
if you rented the DVD make sure you check out the 4th audio (Counterpunch guys)track, especially about 5 minutes before the end
I really don't like Union, NJ. Full of racists. If I lived there I would probably also have a jaundiced view.
I really don't like Union, NJ. Full of racists. If I lived there I would probably also have a jaundiced view.
Someday I'd really like to do some serious research into Anthony Imperiale and some of the white supremicist/vigilante groups that came out of the late 60s.
And I'd love for some serious journalist to look into some of the ties between some of the country police departments and organized crime, you know, some of those people who aren't getting big bucks because of 9/11 right now but just might be in the future.......
I think that Al Jazeera now broadcasts in Canada, or I recall something about that on the news a few months back. I think you can get it on cable in the Toronto area. I wonder if there's anyone on this blog who might know someone in TO who has it - probably a family from the middle east would be the best bet. If AJ had broadcast it, then they would have seen the whole thing.
I think NJ will stay blue.
Zogby just said "get a crayon and color it the darkest blue you can find."
Okay-checked myself NJ -Gore won by 16%-56-40 and Nader had 3%-Is Nader on the ballot there again?
Yes, he is.
I've only been in NJ for a little over 2 years, but I'm very confident it's going to go for Kerry. A lot of us have seen our local taxes go up dramatically thanks to Bu$hCo's unfunded mandate No Child Left Behind and the money we've had to shell out of the state coffers to protect our bridges, tunnels, and coastline. Especially since we get about half per capita in Homeland Security Funding as the state of Wyoming. Lots of Jerseyites aren't too happy about that.
But God only knows which way all of those blue-collar Irish and Italian Catholics will vote. Maybe they'll vote for Kerry and maybe they're all psycho Arab haters now and will vote for Bush.
My significant other, an Italian Catholic, is voting for Kerry. I find your stereotypes vaguely offensive, SWR. I thought better of you.
He called it "a little gift," saying it helps the President but doesn't guarantee his reelection.
But playing around with the touch screen machine code should solve that little problem.
My sister is an air traffic controller. She's voting for Bush because she has been a "card carrying member of the Republican Party since 1980" (the only one in the family who is ~ I can't change her mind, she's of the Hannitized variety),
Didn't the Repukes' sainted Ronnie RayGun FIRE air traffic controllers in the early 80s?
What is WRONG with your sister?
Terry C | 5:19 pm |
Maybe Sis became an air traffic controller after Reagan purged the ranks. That would explain her devotion to the Party, no?
My significant other, an Italian Catholic, is voting for Kerry. I find your stereotypes vaguely offensive, SWR. I thought better of you.
Maybe so but those Italian Catholics in New Jersey are the same ones who formed vigilante groups to beat up blacks in the late 60s, the same ones who used zoning laws to keep any non-whites out of their towns, and the same ones who voted solidly Republican up until Clinton in 1992.
The reason New Jersey is marginally more liberal now than it was 20 years ago is purely do to all of the new immigrants. Most of the traditional ethnic groups in the state (the Irish, Italians, Germans, etc.) are right-wing, racist assholes down to the bone.
News flash: Al Qaqaa redux, except this time it's chemical weapons
The AP just noticed that the Duelfer ISG report, published 10/6/04, mentions that a major site containing old chemical weapons was ransacked by looters.
From AP, 10/30/04, 1 pm
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...d_chemical_site
Looters Said to Overrun Iraq (Chemical) Weapons Site
Looters unleashed last year by the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq overran a sprawling desert complex where a bunker sealed by U.N. monitors held old chemical weapons, American arms inspectors report.
All UN-sealed structures at the site (Muthanna, once Iraq's central site for chemical weapons) were breached.
A little-noted annex of the 985-page report said every U.N.-sealed location at the desert installation had been breached in the looting spree, and "materials and equipment were removed."
The three-week-old report also said, without elaboration, that chemical munitions "are still stored there" and that warheads, apparently not filled with chemical agent, "are still being looted."
Looters Said to Overrun Iraq (Chemical) Weapons Site
Hey, freedom is messy!
Whatcha gonna do?
If it hasnt happened already,people are going to stop and think,lets see now,Bush aint worried about OBL and we're supposed to vote for Bush because he's stronger on terrorism.As Bush attempted to say,fool me once,shame on you,fool me twice shame on me.
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We are on track for historic turnout in this election. Voters are coming out in record numbers for John Kerry.
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My female Catholic friends in NJ(who are Italian and Polish) are voting for Kerry. They're pro-choice.
Eric Blair was a genius.
Yup. He was. I use his "politics and the english language" essay in my Tech Writing class as a timeless and subject agnostic plea for clear writing. The man was able to see what would happen. And the "Healthy Forests Act" is exactly the kind of thing he was talking about.
"When we're talkin' about war, what we're really talkin' about is peace."
-- Dubya
Anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush
Truly despicable comment.
Should be played, along with Bush's comments about not being too concerned with Bin Laden, on all the networks repeatedly until election day.
Bin Laden's family is the second wealthiest family in Saudi Arabia - that is more money than I can even imagine. They are all cosmopolitan, educated, sophisticated people. Osama is as well - he just did the Muslim equivalent of Bush's big conversion to xianity.
Christ - it's fucking creepy - they are like mirror images of each other.
Tena,
You're absolutely correct. And that's what scares ME!! I live next door to a nutcase who has the most powerful military in the world at his command. We're the biggest supplier of OIL to the US, and we have a shitload of fresh water, something the US is running out of, fast.
I'm not a bit scared for my personal safety because of bin Laden. But because of my participation in this blog, and my personal friendship with Tristero (with whom I discuss US politics a lot), I don't feel safe going to the US. Even if Kerry wins it'll be a while before I go back. The security and paranoia level will take time to subside to a sane level.
Maybe so but those Italian Catholics in New Jersey are the same ones who formed vigilante groups to beat up blacks in the late 60s, the same ones who used zoning laws to keep any non-whites out of their towns, and the same ones who voted solidly Republican up until Clinton in 1992.
I think you're doing a little generalizing and it's unfair.
Italian Americans formed some groups to protect themselves and their property from RIOTERS in the 1960s.
Is it racist to defend yourself?
SWR:
I've read numerous posts of yours and your slurs and stereotyping of New Jerseyites are offensive.
Is it racist to defend yourself?
If it means that you beat the crap out of any black person foolish enough to wander down the wrong block it is.
Sorry the truth hurts about New Jersey. But most of suburban New Jersey is a "white flight" culture made up of Germans, Italians, and Irish fleeing from New York and Philly into their nasty little gated communities in suburbia.
Try driving down the New Jersey Turnpike with black skin and New York plates.
Or try walking along the border of some rich suburb along the edge of Newark or Elizabeth if you're black and see how long it takes the cops to stop you and ask you what you're doing.
Strawhat,
I agree that if they trot OBL out now, lots of republicans will recognize it is staged. But what's amazing, is THEY DON'T CARE! They will buy into the Bushanistas' group lie and groupthink and convince themselves it is legitimate.
This has happened over and over with:
(no) weapons of mass destruction
(no) ties of OBL with Iraq
and lately (no) explosives at Al QaQaa.
These people are completely brainwashed. It wouldn't matter if Jesus himself, showed up and said "Bush is a liar and he doesn't speak for Me and I'm going to make him burst into flames." They'd somehow convince themselves that Bush was a religious hero and Archangel of Western Civilization.
I have never seen such potent self-delusion on the part of so many people. I have no faith that the repugs would recognize a big wet flounder if it hit them in their faces.
High explosives missing and old Osama alive and well on tape...what else do the repugs need to realize that monkey boy can fuck up a wet dream?
Is it racist to defend yourself?
This false dilemma is just so fucking inherently deeply racist. The only way race can even be a factor in defense is if a race is attacking or threatening you, and the only way to believe that is to be a racist. It's time for nonserving pudgy Tommy Hilfiger wearing College Rethug assholes to stop whining about how the Mali and Senegalese enslaved their Frankish and Saxon ancestors and brought them over in chains to slavery.
Sorry the truth hurts about New Jersey. But most of suburban New Jersey is a "white flight" culture made up of Germans, Italians, and Irish fleeing from New York and Philly into their nasty little gated communities in suburbia.
(NJ Polish-Americans shrieking)
"You forgot Poland!!!"
Remember the story about nearly 1,000 Ohio voters' registrations being challenged, because they refused registered mail from the Ohio Republican party? One person on Salon's "Table Talk" boards responded by asking, "Where is the shame?"
Well, why not ask the perpetrators directly?
The Akron Beacon Journal named the four perpetrators as Louis Wray, Barbara Miller, Madge Doerler, and Howard Calhoun. Jack Morrison volunteered to represent them in front of the Summit County Board of Elections, where all 976 challenges were summarily dismissed. (The perps may yet be brought up on felony charges for making fraudulent claims on the challenge forms.)
-- Jack Morrison, Atty, practices at Amer Cunningham Co., LPA 159 S. Main St., 6th floor, Akron, OH 44308. (330) 762-2411.
-- Perpetrator Howard Calhoun is also an attorney, at the firm of Calhoun, Waddell, and Hunt, also (coincidentally?) at 159 S. Main St., Ste 707, Akron OH, 44308 (303) 253-1111.
-- Madge Doerler, interestingly, sponsors an internship "established to benefit those wishing to serve as interns with Republican Party officials, candidates, or officeholders in Summit County, the state of Ohio, or the national capital. The internship is housed within the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics." (http://www.uakron.edu/development/ef4.php)
Note that the Bliss Insitute of Applied Politics "was founded in 1986 in an effort to promote citizens' knowledge and participation in the political process...Students in the Applied Politics Program at the University of Akron are provided with an up-close, nuts-and-bolts view of the political process. Courses are offered in the study of political parties, interest groups, political communications, campaign management, lobbying, political administration, etc. Students are also REQUIRED TO COMPLETE AN INTERNSHIP IN GOVERNMENT AND POLITICS, WHICH WE VIEW AS AN INTEGRAL AND ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE PROGRAM." (http://www3/uakron.edu/bliss/, emphasis added.)
It is absolutely shameful that someone who sponsors one of these required internships has behaved in such a reprehensible and essentially antidemocratic manner.
The Bliss insitute has Republican roots but now claims to be a bipartisan research and training institute. Write to them and demand that they discontinue the Doerler Internship. Address letters to Dr. John C. Green, Director, Bliss Insitute, Akron, OH 44325 (330) 972-5182
Those are not last minute jitters. You just woke up to reality. Kerry sucks and your man is gonna lose big time.
How you guys ever drank the Kool aid I will never understand.
Fucking disgraceful. That's all that needs to be said.
Dave,
You are a dumb fuck.
Redleg
It just bizarre that the OBL tape and war against Islamic terror are somehow considered to be pluses to Bushco. I'm an Independent I don't much care about party politics. Just keep the budget balanced and don't touch my civil liberties (yeah, I know the Bush record, but I don't think Kerry administration would be much better) - and keep the country secure. Above all be COMPETENT in all this. The Bush administration has strengthened terrorism, it is screwing up the war in Iraq, I would trust this country's safety rather to Ted Kennedy or Al Sharpton than to this incompetent, dangerous morons. It's just scary that he might somehow squeak in on Tuesday. GET OUT THE VOTE!!!
Why are the Bushies celebrating the Osama tape?
1. They think they cannot be hurt any further by the fact that Osama has not been captured.
2. They have an opportunity to raise the alert level, and place terror threats on the minds of voters.
3. They hope that raising the terror alert will deter anti-Bush voters from coming out to vote.
4. They have an excuse to stop, search and question anyone who votes in pro-Democratic areas, thus suppressing the speed at which voting takes place. Also look to see where machines in pro-Democratic areas are 'quarantined' for security reasons.
5. They hope that all their actions above will dicourage any pro-Democratic voters from standing too long in line, because they fear confrontation with security "goons", or feel pressured to run back to their jobs for fear of consequences, especially in this era of layoffs and employment freezes.
There is a Latin expression, cui bono.
Jeez, all this time I thought Cui was Sonny's kid brother.
I kept reading this "little gift" quote different places and trying to think where I'd heard it before. Then I remembeed: that's what one of the guys in The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert said a member of ABBA had left him in the toilet.
oh i agree - No one. however. dared to write it down till Simon ben Jochai. who lived at the time of the destruction of the second Temple
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