I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I hate these kinds of blog blurbs that refer to something without describing it. I didn't see SNL, Atrios! If I want to read meaningless garbage, I'll read Drudge.
Missed it...wha' dey do?
It was a reenactment of the Bin Laden tape...unfunny and long...in other words typical SNL.
Frird!
I didn't see it
Neither did anyone else in the country....
Ok, Frith!
West Coast - please tell.
I thought it was funny as shit.
Will you revoke my liberal license?
Awful
Yes, please.
Did they take a position on whether it favored Kerry or Bush?
It was an OBL skit. A guy in Ossama garb ranted on the USA, elections and such. Teresa Heintz ia a bitch..etc...
It was out of line
The Repugs are right. Dems have no sense of humor.
Damn that was a funny skit.
SNL has been seriously wacko ever since an anthrax letter showed up in their building. They're all rabid Republicans now. They should hire back Dennis Miller, he'd fit right in.
Ah well fuck it.
Man, Osama is one operator isn't he? That tape was a clever piece of pys-ops. he knows how to fuck with peoples heads.
Turned to SNL now... oh look, they are using the humorous concept of a white comedian dressed as an obese rapper.
They are recycling ancient Joe Piscopo gags.
THEY ARE RECYCLING ANCIENT JOE PISCOPO GAGS.
Death is too good for them...
I thought Team America was hilarious too, and it was clearly Right wing beyond description. Sometimes you just gotta go with it. I seriously boggle when Conservatives don't find Daily Show funny. I understand it leans the other way, but it's hilarious, ya know?
Hey Atrios -
SNL isn't gonna be your monkey!
Shameful – Bush doesn’t want Americans to be safe he wants them to be afraid
What does it say about a President who would rather have Americans feel Afraid then safe? It says to me that he need to be shown the door on Tuesday. Here is what the Bush team is saying:
A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush."
"We want people to think 'terrorism' for the last four days," said a Bush-Cheney campaign official. "And anything that raises the issue in people's minds is good for us."
Reacting to the Bin Laden tape - He called it "a little gift," saying it helps the President but doesn't guarantee his reelection.
More
http://www.nydailynews.com/front...3p-
212149c.html
www.crazyeddie.org
Shameful – Bush doesn’t want Americans to be safe he wants them to be afraid
What does it say about a President who would rather have Americans feel Afraid then safe? It says to me that he need to be shown the door on Tuesday. Here is what the Bush team is saying:
A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush."
"We want people to think 'terrorism' for the last four days," said a Bush-Cheney campaign official. "And anything that raises the issue in people's minds is good for us."
Reacting to the Bin Laden tape - He called it "a little gift," saying it helps the President but doesn't guarantee his reelection.
More
http://www.nydailynews.com/front...3p-
212149c.html
www.crazyeddie.org
Well, last week's opening skit was funny as hell. I mean...paraphrased:
MATTHEWS: Okay, closing thoughts. Smiley?
GILLESPIE: Just polled myself, Chris. 100% of me is voting Bush!
So far on a funny scale of 1 to 10, they are only hitting about a two....
They could have done without the slam of THK -- that was in poor taste....
The knock on Teresa was not funny. (He said, "as Allah as my witness, I wouldn't stop beating her" -- hilarious isn't it?) But it was harmless politically, especially compared to the fake Osama saying something about Bush completely ignoring him since he invaded Iraq. What's really unfunny is their stupid skit about fat rappers that I'm suffering through at the moment.
Haven't seen SNL this year. Do they still have that cast with about thirty interchangeable unfunny white guys? Last year the opening credits were as long as the actual show.
Trying to make a funny about "beating" a woman...by definition, not funny.
Horatio Sands, also by definition not funny.
Playing beating a woman for laughs - not laughs against an attitude, but laughs about *beating a woman* is fucked up.
SNL is about as not funny as Dennis Miller. I gotta feel sorry for the monkey that has to work with him.
When eminem is the cultural highlight (and I'm a fan of the M)of the show, it demonstrates the weakness of snl. I agree with atrios, it was like the bullshit music parodies on the internets; kind of funny but slanted to the right.
The Smigel cartoon may be funny.
They REALLY need to rehire Al Franken to write occassional gags, especially before politically important times like this election. I have a feeling that he could have done a much better job lampooning that tape. I mean, hell, he made a bloody mob at the Iraqi handover funny as hell on the radio--imagine what he could have done with that skit?
Is Lorne still running the show? I haven't watched since they hired Colin Quinn.
Sinclair stations aired Stolen Honor today, Saturday 10/30/2004.
It was the entire film of Stolen Honor, not the edited version shown last week.
Anyone else heard about this?
afish
SNL . . .ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . .
I miss the Belushi days.
I miss the church lady too.
That was writer Jim Downey as the voice of the translater. He's the main political humor writer on SNL now and is quite conservative. Without Franken et. al. to counterbalance him, the show has shown a more obvious rightward tilt.
But my god, the next skit was horrid.
Those of you who thought SNL was unfunny: Go to Josh Marshall's site to get the link to an LA Times article. The article says Osama bin Laden has morphed into a politician and statesman and NOW we should be really scared.
That's funny!
But I still say that SNL's skit was the funnier treatment.
In the first place it was not very funny to present Osama as an interested voter. But the attacks on Teresa Heinz Kerry just came out of nowhere and were totally offensive. For those of you who didn't see it, "Osama" said that he couldn't see much difference between the two candidates. Then he says, "I probably shouldn't say this, but I cannot stand Teresa Heinz Kerry. She is awful, just awful. Our religion forbids us to strike a woman although I admit I do it all the time and I know I shouldn't. But if she were my wife, as Allah is my witness, I would not stop beating her." (audience claps). I thought we had gotten past a time when comedians would make jokes about beating women for laughs.
The real SNL was one generation ago...what's the matter with you people?...you know that remakes suck!
Belushi, Williams, Murphy, Murray, Chase, Akyroyd, Radner...it was then, it sure ain't now!
All the jokes they could have done...and they decided to joke about beating THK.
So pathetic. Thank god for the Daily SHow.
Yea Atrios, I am with ya. That was pretty messed up. The punch line was women getting beaten, specifically the beating of Mrs. Heinz-Kerry.
guys... calm the hell down, don't be so partisan that you can't find stuff against your party to be funny. this stuff is why i prefer to read andrew sullivan. I'm as liberal as you can possibly get, but I live in the reality-based community and can recognise when stuff is funny though biased.
Don't you guys realize that Teresa Heinz Kerry is one of the biggest liabilities the Kerry campaign has? She's freaking ridiculous!
Playing beating a woman for laughs - not laughs against an attitude, but laughs about *beating a woman* is fucked up.
The cons will love it.
ken m, you're an asshole.
What is it with you little men and strong women?
I'm the real chimp shady.
And I'm the real slim chimpy.
One of the head writers on the show, is suppose to be Liberal. Pressure is coming from the top down and now the show sucks. They are to f**cking afraid to go after Bush. Bush is funny and it doesn't take a lot to come up with a skit about him. Instead they use Kerry and this time Teresa. (talking about beating her is not funny at all.) They ought to consult with the TDS writers. They forgot what is funny anymore.
Come on down to the other thread, Atrios. We're having fun recollecting really bad songs.
SNL bites major league kiester.
I don't know, when has it ever been any good? It's always been a nugget here and there floating in the shit. They suck off the same corporate teat as the rest of the media, phony bastards.
I can't stand SNL anymore.
Haven't watched it in many a year.
Right now Wanda Does It is on Comedy Central. She is learning to fly.
Q: What's the difference between life and a Saturday Night Life skit?
A: Life ends.
I couldn't understand why the audience was laughing so hard.
-I'm as liberal as you can possibly get,
I can tell! Because you just said so!
-Don't you guys realize that Teresa Heinz Kerry is one of the biggest liabilities the Kerry campaign has? She's freaking ridiculous!
Of course she is! Because you just said so! Tell us more, oh God!
I didn't even know SNL was still on the air.
Wow.
Now I'm embarrassed.
The McCain bit is pretty funny, though.
Christ, I can't believe I'm watching SNL.
Damn you, Atrios. Damn you!!!!!!
Well, they seem to have redeemed themselves with the McCain cartoon. Good stuff
SNL stopped being funny when they started playing it safe - i.e. when the actors started using the show as one long audition tape for Hollywood producers.
The edge is LONG gone.
and now a gay monster. I was looking forward to Kate Winslet. TV funhouse great. McCain needing to get drunk to introduce the president and barely being able to do it. In fact, very VERY funny.
Here's your real OBL Saturday nite skit.
The Smigel cartoon is quite delicious.
Kerry leads in both Minnesota and Iowa in latest Star Tribune and DesMoines Register polls!
http://desmoinesregister.com/app...009/1001&
lead=1
The poll, taken Monday through Friday night, shows the Massachusetts senator has gotten a jump on the president among those Iowans who have cast absentee or early ballots - a major get-out-the-vote strategy of both parties.
Twenty-seven percent of Iowa adults surveyed said they had already voted. Kerry leads Bush, 52 percent to 41 percent, among that group of early-bird voters. Among the 73 percent who said they definitely would vote on Tuesday, Kerry and Bush are tied.
Poll participant William "Bat" Masterson, a retired law enforcement officer from Council Bluffs, said he cast his absentee ballot for Kerry. "I'm hoping that Kerry can settle this thing in Iraq," said Masterson, a 76-year-old Democrat. "Too many innocent people are getting killed. Maybe it wasn't a necessary war."
Bush continues to be dogged by relatively low job approval ratings, which traditionally are a sign of trouble for the incumbent's re-election bid. Among likely voters, 47 percent disapprove of the president's overall job performance, and 45 percent approve.
http://www.startribune.com/
Kerry takes 49%-41% lead over Bush
Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry has opened up a lead -- 49 percent to 41 percent -- over President Bush in Minnesota, according to a new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll.
What is it with you little men and strong women?
I know what you're trying to imply and you can go frig yourself. Normal is a lot smaller than the feminists would have you believe.
This cartoon is terrible. Not funny at all. And the Osama bit had funny moments but I thought it was in poor taste. The guy is a mass murderer.
daily show trumps snl
Ah, the beauty of the "mute" button never ceases to amaze me...
the end of the The Smigel cartoon is pretty funny! The skit is longer than usual too!
I didn't see the skit, but having OBL dis THK, even in parody, is not all that bad. After all, being attacked by OBL worked well for Bush.
"I couldn't understand why the audience was laughing so hard."
It's down to friends and family now. Kind of like a Bush rally. They gotta take a pledge swearing they'll laugh.
O'kay the McCain cartoon was funny!
niggy_and grouchy
yes, it's like woodstock, over and gone, never to be the same.
The Smigal bit on McCain - WICKED
Who ARE these people? I don't recognize ANY of them!
The bin Laden Tape is a fraud.
It fabricated.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
Crack open your Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD. There is a scene of 'bin' at his son's wedding. He is wearing the same outfit as in that picture which the Chicago Tribune has tried to terrified Chicago with all day.
It is a ceremonial robe.
That is a picture/tape of 'bin' when he was well and fit at his son's wedding or a ceremony similar to it. The people who protect bin Laden know better than to let him stand in a place without a backdrop so the CIA can't discern where he is.
Just that simple.
The tape is manufacturer probably by Karl Rove from the library of the bin Laden Family.
I don't believe a word of it!!
SNL has hit a lot of low points and very few high points. Even the Michael Myers/Dana Carvey era which was about as good as its gotten since Eddie Murphy left, was weak compared to the old stuff. I think the current cast hits a new low. I very rarely watch but even the opening sketches are as incredibly unfunny as the last 1/2 hour used to be. It is beyond me why they keep trying to put together a 90-minute show when they're lucky to have 90 seconds of funny material. The commenters on this blog are MUCH funnier than the SNL writers, imo. End of rant.
Which ones?
great smigel 'toon just now w/mccain becoming brando/kurtz from pressure of trying to say positive things to introduce shrub at rally.
"guys... calm the hell down" i knew he was an asshole as soon as i read that opening line. go fucking read andy sullivan, asswipe.
Been reading for a number of years, and post so infrequently as to be irrelevant. Reconcile the no. daily hits with the no. posters, you'll see that most readers don't often post.
OK, had enough of the Kerry bashing. On a diffent note, was canvassing in philly for move on. Lots of angry dems ready to mosh to the oval office. Kerry by 5 in PA
That's just a bizarre joke to make. You're writing a skit about a new bin Laden tape and you just have to find a way to work in a crack about beating Theresa Kerry? How does that follow? You could do a gag about putting Theresa Kerry in a burqa or something -- it wouldn't be particularly funny either, but at least it would follow from the premise of a fundamentalist irritated by her persona.
We are spoiled by the daily show, which is funny every night. SNL has an entire week to prepare this unfunny material. Their skits are usually 2 to 3 minutes too long, and that seems like an eternity.
I'm hoping the Kerry bashing is to offset some sort of october surprise from Eminem
That skit wasn't funny. Neither was Team America. It's not that liberals and leftists don't have a sense of humor - right wingers don't. That's why their jokes suck.
I'm not watching, but it sounds as though Jack Welch made a few phone calls before the show.
what I want to know is - did Eminem sing "Mosh"???
Mosh!
Ok, well that clinton skit was fucking dumb. I didn't see the first thing.
Oh to be smart and funny...
Hoot! Eminem started with "Mosh". That was originally going to be the second song. Excellent.
Jack "Adulterer" Welch is phoning in the shows . . . duhhh . . . . gotta pay back the "party". . .
Eminem is singing MOSH at this very moment.
Alright guys, maybe I didn't make myself totally clear before. Sorry, i just got home and I'm slightly drunk, didn't mean to offend you.
I am not saying that THK is a bad person or that I don't like her. Personally, I like her a lot. What I am saying is that the way in which she speaks, which is truly from her heart, is a bit too harsh, for lack of a better word. Swing voters do not like that type of thing.
I stand by what I said about you guys taking this a bit too seriously. I realize why you may find this offensive, some people are offended easier than others. But personally, I make racist jokes and sexist jokes all the time, more to make fun of the stupidity of racism and sexism than anything else, but I still don't find this offensive. But that's just me.
Eminem rules.
was there just an ashley simson moment with eminem?
Libby, luv, you're projecting, again, sweetie...
LIBERALS DON'T CHECK YOUR CREDENTIALS, AND MAKE YOU SIGN LOYALTY OATHS. We think everybody should be permitted the liberty (there's that dang word again) of their voice.
That doesn't mean that what one says is ensured against scrutiny and criticism, as it is when one vets the speakers' entire audience. Liberals like to ask you questions about preposterous propositions.
You don't have to have a license to be a liberal, dear. You gotta have some smarts. And you try to learn not to laugh from the pinnacle of your accidental advantage at the viscissitudes which befall others less able to laugh than you.
>Their skits are usually 2 to 3 minutes too long, and that seems like an eternity.
>JFK all the way
I remember when it was the last half hour where the gags went to die on SNL. Now the jokes are stale the whole show through. Smigel is the only respectable asset the show has anymore.
I suppose you humorless SNL-haters don't appreciate eminem either.
The Mosh video is brilliant.
Steve M,
Yes. I saw that, as well.
Eminem has to read the teleprompter for the lyrics, they shoud show them on the screen
was there just an ashley simson moment with eminem?
Yep.
Actually SNL has never been top notch. Even the days of Belushi were uneven. But the earlier National Lampoon Radio Hour was VERY good.
the whole show has sucked so far. and eminem is lip synching.
The Mosh video is brilliant.
Yeah, and fuck SNL.
damn youd think em wouldnt lipsynch after recent history.
"The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia" Vicki Lawrence
The skit with the fake Clinton and Kerry was simply not funny. Same old Clinton jokes. Skit was way too long, not a single really funny joke. Pathetic. I used to like this show. Only watching it because Em is on and because it's their last show before the election. Haven't watched it for years and this confirms that it's not worth watching. The audience's laughs are polite and forced.
All right. Enough reviewing of SNL for now.
The Eminem song sucks.
Libby,
I really like the video. I think it's very powerful.
Steve M.
Are you canvassing in West Philly? Did I meet you at Abraccio the other night?
John
I wish Eminem wasn't such a jerk, because I DO like his stuff (and coming from a 50 yo white woman, that's saying a lot)
But damn...when he held up the home made VOTE sign...I got chills.
damn youd think em wouldnt lipsynch after recent history.
I suspect that it wasn't his call. Had Mr Mathers been given a free rein and an open mike, the FCC's phones would be buzzing now.
Whoops, wrong thread. sorry.
eminem was completly lip sinking AND he kept looking down for what words to lip sink to. thats extremely annoying especially because its RAP and doesn't involve needing a good voice.
I am looking forward to John Kerry being our next President, and Teresa Heinz-Kerry being the next First Lady. Why does the First Lady have to be prim and proper? Why can't she be a symbol of the women of the real world -- hardworking, strong, courageous, well-educated, connected to the world? Teresa is a strong woman and will do our country proud.
eminem... wait a second... message aside, strong video aside... eminem is completely lip synching. i hate fucking big-business music on mass media. what a fucking joke. this stuff has to stop. what happened to the days of Living Colour shocking snl's audience with their live set? this is atrocious.
Two weeks in a row of acid reflux.
SNL, bring back a real band befor you totally self destruct.
Didn't see the first skit, but...
What I find unusual about SNL is that they haven't figured out a good John Kerry impersonation. I've seen a few skits about him and they haven't found the comedic angle for him. I don't know if it's a lack of creativity or silly fear that if they make fun of them, it will hurt his chances for getting elected.
Jon Stewart's impersonation of Kerry is so-so, about halfway there, but he's closer than other comedians I've seen. I wonder what archtype will emerge from the comedy world of him 6 months from now (obviously, I'm expecting him to win).
SNL is lame. The jokes are written to fit the capabilities of the performers, and they ain't much capable any more.
The Eminem song sucks.
Anonymous
You suck.
How the hell do people lip sync to rap? Isn't it supposed to be more spontaneous, shoot from the hip stream of conscious? Plus, isn't it way harder to synchronize to?
Jon Stewart's impersonation of Kerry is so-so, about halfway there, but he's closer than other comedians I've seen.
The best Kerry impersonation, alas, is Colin Quinn's. It's spot-on. A pity that Quinn's such a fucknozzle.
If it's lip synching, knowing Eminem, he is doing it on purpose to tweak somebody or other. That's what he does.
SNL stopped being mostly funny in about 1981....
zzzzzzzz
"I am looking forward to John Kerry being our next President, and Teresa Heinz-Kerry being the next First Lady. Why does the First Lady have to be prim and proper? Why can't she be a symbol of the women of the real world -- hardworking, strong, courageous, well-educated, connected to the world? Teresa is a strong woman and will do our country proud."
Ditto, the problem is how she might hurt Kerry's election chances since shes not PC and speaks from her heart
what happened to the days of Living Colour shocking snl's audience with their live set? this is atrocious.
Janet Jackson's tittie happened.
The best Kerry impersonation, alas, is Colin Quinn's.
is he that guy who comes on after TDS? Does anybody really watch that show?
LOL weekend update makes note of the lipsynching.
It isn't funny when you continue to foster if, you fucks.
Tina Fey's line about OBL being more upbeat than Dick Cheney was pretty funny.
At the same time, the fact that Eminem performed "Mosh," an on target and deeply critical ode to removing Bush from office and getting the vote out, Live 3 days before the election... I think it totally offset whatever offense you feel...
Also did you read the signs in the Kerry skit. "John Kerry, He is better than Bush" and a ton of air time with Kerry Edwards signs in the background.
Good air time...
I am so tired of THK cheapshots...I look forward to calling her our first lady!
Go Mama T!
"Vote" sign gave me chills too. I was at a restaurant wearing a Kerry shirt a month ago and a girl at a table of teenagers shouted out, "I turn 18 in an hour and I'm going to VOTE!"
The young ones will save us. We raised them right.
I will sue your pants off Tina Fey!!!!
An OBL skit targeting Bushy or JK could be understood (although personally, I find nothing humorous in the man (OBL) at all). However, having as a punchline the beating of any person is cruel and stupid and clearly points out their total insensitivity and lack of creative talent - on screen and off. If it was Laura instead of THK, wingnut brains would be exploding all over TV for the next 2 days and they would have somehow connected it to JK.
M2's lip sync was a leash -- he had to read the words as printed on the screen or go home. He f'd up purposely -- as in -- see what b.s. we all put up with.
Then VOTE.
my $.02
THK is my kinda woman: strong, witty, smart, rich, adventurous, sexy...she'd leave a strong man weak and limping, i do believe...
"According to a new Democratic poll, 50% of Vice President Cheney's daughters are still gay."
Whatshername's not a real blond.
I hate dye jobs.
People still watch Saturday Night Live?
Why?
The Bin Laden tape scared the shit out of me. He's unhinged. He was pounding the table and screaming and spitting into the camera. He said Main Street America will be awash in a river of blood. He pulled down his pants and flashed his 10 inch penis at America.
Much as I admire THK and hate abuse of women, I wasn't offended by the gag, in the context.
I think Atrios and the other folks around here have gotten too stressed out for your own good health. You are at risk of going over the edge. Get hold of yourselves. Allow yourselves a laugh tonight. We need you the last 3 days.
If it's lip synching, knowing Eminem, he is doing it on purpose to tweak somebody or other. That's what he does.
That was my thought, as well, for a bit. After the whole kerfuffle last week, it'd be a fuck-you to the whole 'keeping it real' thing. But I honestly suspect that Eminem on open mike would be beyond even the delay/bleeptrack.
Oh well, at least Tina Fey is ever-lovely.
This show is terrible beyond belief. The opening skit was tastless and unfunny.
Who knew Kate Winslet could sing though?
Now eminem has been on I can thankfully change the channel.
God, who the fuck writes this stuff? it must be torture for the actors- torture.
"Much as I admire THK and hate abuse of women, I wasn't offended by the gag, in the context.
I think Atrios and the other folks around here have gotten too stressed out for your own good health. You are at risk of going over the edge. Get hold of yourselves. Allow yourselves a laugh tonight. We need you the last 3 days."
-My sentiments exactly
The Bin Laden tape scared the shit out of me. He's unhinged. He was pounding the table and screaming and spitting into the camera. He said Main Street America will be awash in a river of blood. He pulled down his pants and flashed his 10 inch penis at America.
Whew, until that last sentence I think you mistaking him for Bill O'Reilly.
Are they talking about me on SNL?
God, I hope so.
winterthur: um, do you have any links on that theory? The trib isn't saying anything about this.
Has Snl ever done the Laura Bush vehicular homicide sketch?
just askin
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka
Finally had to change the channel, as the Halloween song was the least funny thing on SNL since the most recent Horatio Sanz skit.
Whew, until that last sentence I think you mistaking him for Bill O'Reilly.
Attaturk-Deja Falafal Vu?
attaturk, you owe me a drink...splashed on the key board
bill call me, mac
Texas - I saw a few young ones out in the pouring rain on a freeway overpass out here on at Friday AM rush hour waving Kerry signs and banners...jumping up& down...I beeped and flashed then the V sign and felt guilty as hell that I wasn;t out there with them.
My toddler in the back was going "BEEP BEEP Mommy"!! Heh- I hope to raise him as right!
Is Mary Cheney still a lesbian?
Um... Saturday Night Live was Belushi, Radner, Akroyd...
There is no Saturday Night Live anymore. I spent time much better tonight drinking beer on the patio.
wtfwjd?
No, I live in northeast philly and today has some help from guys from nj and ny. It was great but some of the people have become saturated with callers. I actually found more pissed off folks today than in the last three weeks. Mainly for repeatedly being bothered by multiple well intentioned canvassers. You know, it seems it's at the point of diminishing returns. How was West Philly? I assume many Kerry supporters.
i'd love to see a skit about what george thinks of laura bush, and how she seems like shes the ideal conservative woman: "sit down, shut the hell up, and make me some damn dinner"
Colin Quinn is a fucking idiot who is as funny as a cancer sore. I've seen screaming monkeys in trees with more humor, wit and intellect than him.
The above Anonymous was me
Ditto, the problem is how she might hurt Kerry's election chances since shes not PC and speaks from her heart.
I know, but I really don't think Teresa's the reason people are voting for Bush. She is just another factor to add to their list of why they hate Kerry.
Teresa is a breath of fresh air. I think it is admirable that Kerry has let her be her own person. He isn't making excuses for her. It's about time a President presents his wife as the person she really is -- not some fake good two-shoes who chain-smokes when no one is looking.
"Much as I admire THK and hate abuse of women, I wasn't offended by the gag, in the context.
I think Atrios and the other folks around here have gotten too stressed out for your own good health. You are at risk of going over the edge. Get hold of yourselves. Allow yourselves a laugh tonight. We need you the last 3 days."
Thanks for the kind words, "Libby."
Isn't it past your bedtime, under the bridge there?
"THK is my kinda woman: strong, witty, smart, rich, adventurous, sexy...she'd leave a strong man weak and limping, i do believe..."
No shit. And just imagine what she'd do to some punk-ass strutting wuss like W.
bill call me, mac
Violence against women isn't funny. The show has been lame for 2-3 years; they're coasting off of fond memories of when Tina Fey was fresher.
And Eminem lip-synched.
Colin Quinn is a fucking idiot who is as funny as a cancer sore.
...The site of him makes me watch Family Guy.
Shorter Bush: "My Popularity compares favorably to Osama's"
Did they do the Falafel Falafel sketch yet?
site... sight... whatever. it's late.
Time to pull back on the calls and knocks on the doors - most people are fed up with it by now. They have made up their mind and it will be Kerry, if you don't piss them off!
I'd much appreciate if someone can direct to a link of Eminem's SNL appearance when available. SNL was preempted here for "The High School Game of the Week".
Eek! I thought it was funny, too! Oh well...
This guys is fat, but he is not Farley. Not even close.
"Time to pull back on the calls and knocks on the doors - most people are fed up with it by now. They have made up their mind and it will be Kerry, if you don't piss them off!"
one word: NO.
did the GOP send you here?
I'd rather watch a "Saved By the Bell" marathon than a second of Colin Quinn.
Once, flipping through the channels, my remote froze up and I had to watch about five seconds of CQ. My left eye twitched like fucking crazy for the rest of the night.
True story.
is he that guy who comes on after TDS? Does anybody really watch that show? Quinn
I hate that guy, he irks me. As soon as he comes on, out comes the remote-Bam-He's gone.
Cripes. Belushi coked out of his mind was funnier than these dorks.
I think it's time to revive Al Franken's "Put SNL To Sleep" campaign. The show is just bad, bad, bad now. TDS kicks it to the curb.
o'rillly?
60 MInutes is going to do a barnburner of a story on Al QaQaa 10/31:
FOCUS: Iraq Explosives Story Detonates Under Bush Campaign
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/...4/
103104V.shtml
Time to pull back on the calls and knocks on the doors - most people are fed up with it by now. They have made up their mind and it will be Kerry, if you don't piss them off!
I agree. Lay off. Wave sime signs and do some reminder calls on tuesday, but otherwise, don't piss people off.
Terminally weak.
Palmer
LOL-because we wrote at the same time and have the same sentiments-that guy just gets under your skin.
It's been a good 25 years since this show was vaguely humorous.
Why anyone would watch it for the "comedy" is beyond me...
"Time to pull back on the calls and knocks on the doors - most people are fed up with it by now. They have made up their mind and it will be Kerry, if you don't piss them off!"
Yeah. "I was going to vote for Kerry, but I got pissed off because his supporters kept encouraging me to get to the polls." Moron.
Time to pull back on the calls and knocks on the doors - most people are fed up with it by now. They have made up their mind and it will be Kerry, if you don't piss them off!
Hiya Karl! *waves*
SNL is only funny when a Dem is in the White House. I thought everybody knew that!
(OK, Eddie Murphy was funny, but the rest of the cast sucked during those years.)
What the hell happened to Kate Winslet? Has she even been in a skit yet?
". . . personally, I make racist jokes and sexist jokes all the time, more to make fun of the stupidity of racism and sexism than anything else, but I still don't find this offensive. But that's just me."
how can you do that which is one of the main causes of how it is perpetuated to begin with? You find humor in sexism and racisim? Obviously, you were never the recipient of either.
What the hell happened to Kate Winslet? Has she even been in a skit yet?
o'rillly?
Shorter Bush: "Less Americans have died because of me than because of Osama"
What the hell happened to Kate Winslet? Has she even been in a skit yet?
Palmer,
I am not a troll. I am probably more left wing than you are.
But thanks for asking!
Libby
Meme:
I really wonder who watches that show.
Shorter Bush: "I am shorter than Osama"
Um... Saturday Night Live was Belushi, Radner, Akroyd...
Got to agree. It's had its moments since, spun off some fine alumni, but I haven't watched in decades, and don't feel I've missed a thing. Even Farrell, Oteri, et al., were seldom all that good.
In the meantime, Human Rights Watch is jumping on the Al QaQaa bandwagon (notified the gov't of weapons in May 2003, but 10 days later, still no security on the site), and the OBL tape means we should be afraid, but keep shopping.
Unless, of course, it means bin Laden is trying to become a Muslim elder statesman for jihad. In which case, we really should be afraid. But hell, the pundits know best: the only legitimate question is, how does this affect the horse race?
The effect on the human race is not really all that interesting.
Off to get back that one hour lost 6 months ago. Waking up on God's time tomorrow. Nice to have it back. 
What the hell happened to Kate Winslet? Has she even been in a skit yet?
Re: Eminem. I'm sure you all noted a few changes in the lyrics tonight. No "Fuck Bush" (obvious), plus slightly different wording in the "Give him an AK-47" part, de-emphasizing "Bush", as far as I could hear... anyone Tivo it?
Oops.
WTF, why did Atrios steer us toward watching this?
This is awful!
Here, they show old repeats of SNL half an hour after the new one ends. Tonight's? 1984: Jim Belushi, Billy Crystal, Christopher Guest & Mike McKean.
No contest.
I haven't watched this miserable show in years. I was ignoring the TV until I logged on to this and had to see what the complaints were about.
Thanks a lot. I have to go drive nails through my eyes and eardrums now.
I want to murder this pigtailed cretin on the TV right now.
It's been a good 25 years since this show was vaguely humorous.
As time goes by, the ratio of humor to crap has decreased exponentially.
I think Neil wants to know what the hell happened to Kate Winslet.
Speaking of Philly and GOTV, was at BUMP earlier (@11pm) for Gov. Rendell's 7th annual pre-election GOTV gay bar crawl, a sort of good luck charm for Eddie.
The place is right in the gayborhood and is what this 42yr old gay man would call the pretty boy bar...anyway it was packed, natch, and the Gov was greeted with a huge cheer and chants of Kerry Kerry Kerry! He was glowing in that way a natural pol glows when wading through a throng of his ardent backers.
Tomorrow at 5 pm at Pure (13th & St. James) is the Liberty City Democrats LGBT GOTV rally w/ Barney Frank, David Catania (DC City Councilman) and cast members from Queer as Folk. Come down and see Rep. Frank whip up the troops for Philly.
I think Neil needs to not hit reload to refresh the comments right after he posts a message.
Hey Atrios -
SNL isn't gonna be your monkey!
I heard Dick Cheney dressed up like OBL for Halloween tonight and scared the bejeezus out of kids in several swing-state neighborhoods.
Haven't confirmed it yet.
Yeah. I am a real GOP sweetheart. Stupid twit. Youth really is wasted on the young sometimes.
SNL now ripping off Stewart brilliance from MadTV . . . or failing to channel Radner as Lisa Lubner?
Too lame.
Buck Henry as the babysitter. Thinking of those sketches still gives me the shivers. Brilliant.
Buckeye,
Watch the Mosh video.
By the way:
In Minnesota, Kerry's numbers went UP after the Osama video aired, giving him an eight-point leadin the state:
The repeated airing of Osama bin Laden's latest video Friday may have been one reason there was a spike in support for Kerry in the interviews conducted that night, compared with three previous nights of interviewing, agreed Jacobs and Minnesota Poll director Rob Daves.
"Maybe it was Bin Laden, maybe it was the news about the missing explosives [in Iraq], but the news seems to have been injected with the seriousness of national security events," Jacobs said.
I think it's time to revive Al Franken's "Put SNL To Sleep" campaign. The show is just bad, bad, bad now. TDS kicks it to the curb.
Anonymous
Never heard of this before...when did Al wage such a campaign.
I do, however, remember the Al Franken Decade.
Palmer.
Personally I don't know anyone that watches it. TDS is too short and should be a 1/2 hour longer.
After spending the previous 4 hrs indulging in the guilty pleasure of the latest version of S. King's Salem's Lot on TNT, I tuned into SNL in time to see Eminem lip synching MOSH wtf? oh well, the Salem's Lot was a nice diversion from blood-sucking presidential politics --
The opening skit was v. funny.
The John McCain cartoon was v. funny.
Weekend update was okay funny.
The fat white rapper was terribly unfunny.
Eminem was only lip-synching the chorus... not the main body...
Just saw the obl skit. It was funny.
One of the things the nuns taught me was the devil hates to be laughed at...I just laughed at the prince of darkness.
Wow Kate Winslet...ooggggaaawwwdddd, about to commence drooling!!!
OMG she can dance too!
I thought OBL skit was funny. And I think it helps to put this tape in its proper place, turning OBL into just another doofus trying to tell us what to think (while pointing out right off the top that Bush let him get away). Yeah, the stuff about beating THK was over the top, but it probably isn't far from the truth of Taliban thinking about strong women. Put Laura Bush in a veil and she'd be a perfect Taliban wife.
Eminem was awesome.
Just saw the obl skit. It was funny.
One of the things the nuns taught me was the devil hates to be laughed at...I just laughed at the prince of darkness.
Wow Kate Winslet...ooggggaaawwwdddd, about to commence drooling!!!
OMG she can dance too!
OT: Snitchens, who endorsed Bush in The Nation and Kerry in Slate, now endorses Bush in the Observer.
WTF? He really can't remember one day to the next who he's supporting. And is he even eligible to vote?
Okay...somebody younger and more and in touch than I help me out here.
I understand two things, or so. One is that pollsters aren't polling cell-phone users, and the other is that many if not most young protovoters communicate a lot by cellphone systems which are not charted by the pollsters.
But a lot of the hopes of the left/progressive/Dem alliance seem to me to deeply hope and thence believe that the apparent influx into the system of an unprecedented number of new voters and activists. I want to knw what stimulates such hopeful confidence?
So okay, what i need to know is, is there a prevailing political sentiment among the competing subcultures which are emblematized in music styles?
Is there a "goth" politics, as such? I can never discern much in the lyrics of the icons of the art.
There is a Aryan/skin-head politics, undoubtedly. the whole thing is a political statement, howsoever reprehensible? What, if anything does it share with the "goth" ( i meah, even when it's not Halloween there are still kids going around in funereal outfits...
I dunno the common terms anymore, even...
there seemed to me to be a kind of competing politics in hiphop/rap... I cant cite specifics, because, truthfully, i didn't actively seek out opportunities to interact with the music. I heard enough from thunderbox automobiles to know the style was not gonna grab me: that much bass is just not healthy. It's bad for whales in the water, and humans and others high water-content critters on land. but i digress
so i don't really know a lot anymore about the state of politics among young citizens, and if anyone has any suggestions or any finer points, to which i could especially attend, i'd appreciate it...
"how can you do that which is one of the main causes of how it is perpetuated to begin with? You find humor in sexism and racisim? Obviously, you were never the recipient of either."
I knew I'd get a post like this.
What I mean is that, for example, if someone is talking about Laura Bush giving a speech, I might ask why she isn't in the kitchen cooking Georgie some damn dinner.
The joke would be making fun of the stupidity of sexism.
Man charged with threatening to kill Dick Cheney.
More lip-synching! woohoo!!!!
Holloween SNL - A few treats, but mostly trick.
My guess is that the Minnesota numbers went up after they were responsible for releasing that KSTP tape-since the reporters were local-I assume it got good coverage.
Bless you Minnesota-for having that tape!
Nothing more convincing then tons of explosives missing under Bush admin.
and you get to see it on tape.
If we actually want to have a read discussion about the door to door campaign, that would be great. My thinking about today was only that most people I talked to today have been inundated with phone calls and walkers today. This does not mean there are not many, many untapped neighborhoods people can go to gotv. My point was that I was being met with resistance for the first time after being out there every night for 2-4 hrs. My concern with continued the flooding of canvassing is that the inability to switch strategies mid campaign is one of the many reasons we need the chimp out. I was thinking of backing off until monday night and give my neighbors the time off. I also know this could be interpretated as discouraging turn-out. Just the opposite.
Eminem's second song just finished.
Did he do "Mosh" for the first? I was expecting him to do it for the second, and he didn't. Kind of disappointing.
"What I am saying is that the way in which she speaks, which is truly from her heart, is a bit too harsh, for lack of a better word. Swing voters do not like that type of thing."
Oh, da poor swing voters! Let's all tippy-toe and watch what we say so that those uninformed ASSHOLES won't be offended. Sheesh!!! Why do you give a rat's ass????????????????
F'd up on the italics tag...can't figure out how to close the tag and return to regular font. Instructions would be greatly appreciated and let us never speak of it again.
if someone is talking about Laura Bush giving a speech, I might ask why she isn't in the kitchen cooking Georgie some damn dinner.
Cigarette smokin' biatch oughta be barefoot and preggars...
Is Saturday Night Live still on? Why?
"WTF? He really can't remember one day to the next who he's supporting."
I'm sure it's not because he was drunk though.
Any love for MadTV out there?
Libby, you may not be a troll, but you're kind of an idiot.
No one's stressed out here- the show is just not fucking funny.
I believe that I also heard that while Cheney was in Michigan, 3 protesters were screaming "criminal"
and they were "escorted" out of the building.
The Smigel cartoon showing McCain losing it because he had to praise Bush was excellent.
I'm in general agreement that SNL has sucked this year, but I'm kind of glad. I think their Gore impression in 2000 was one of the things that helped to destroy him. They turned Bush into an amiable dunce. This time around, the stupid nervous twitchy Bush is sort of funny and the boring Kerry simply misses the mark. That's fine by me. We shouldn't be voting based on comedy shows and that includes Jon Stewart's (as he keeps trying to tell people).
The opening skit was v. funny.
The John McCain cartoon was v. funny.
Weekend update was okay funny.
The fat white rapper was terribly unfunny.
Eminem was only lip-synching the chorus... not the main body...
Konopelli -- I don't think the young people are are home blogging right now
at least - they shouldn't be
The opening skit was v. funny.
The John McCain cartoon was v. funny.
Weekend update was okay funny.
The fat white rapper was terribly unfunny.
Eminem was only lip-synching the chorus... not the main body...
THK a liability? Only to insecure little boys. Teresa is awesome. Luckily she's a tough cookie, because said insecure little boys are going to spend the next eight years bashing her in the media.
Eminem's first song was "Mosh." In a way, not as inspiring as the video to simply see him sing it. You had to know what he was on about. He held up a "vote" sign at the end, and some lines were clearly punched to be clear -- bring the troops home, no blood for oil, etc.
Yeah, I would say the MN numbers might've had a bit to do with KSTP. Just speculation here, but KSTP is known is the Republican station around here, so for them to break the story is pretty cool.
As for Osama, how many of you have actually read the transcript of his speech? I just got done ranting about this on my blog. I didn't see the SNL thing, but from what it sounds like, it's pure garbage. Doesn't matter whether it's funny or not, but it's just encouraging Americans not to actually listen to what the dude says. And the only way we'll ever make peace is by listening to what he says. Killing him will be the equivalent of 100 Abu Ghraibs.
helpslipfrank - to close the italics tag, type < /i > without the spaces in there. Same for closing the bold tag < /b > or a link tag < /a >.
CNN is repeating Larry King with JFK & THK now -- from July'04
(so loooong ago)
This makes me think of "That's My Bush" and how in every episode George would always say to Laura, "One of these days, Laura, I'm gonna punch you...in the face!" If you can appreciate that this was more of an absurdist take on that old Ralph Kramden line from the Honeymooners than an actual endorsement of wife-beating, then I don't see why the Osama line about Teresa would be much more offensive, although I didn't see the sketch so I can't be sure.
M&M lip nsync ed MOSH
Okay, they just showed a Tom Delay ad during the 11:50 SNL commercial break here in Houston.
SNL is 30 years old. That's 140 in dogshit years. Enough already.
Michael Moore to have cameras at polling places all across Ohio and Florida.
Man were they pissed at Ashlee Simpson. They abused her ass for the first 10 minutes.
But SNL is never funny. Why do you think it would be. Instead of mocking Bush, they talk about beating Teresa Heinz Kerry? How is that funny?
I like Tough Crowd for one reason, they talk about race honestly. Which means people insult the shit out of each other. And since they all know each other, the abuse is actually quite amusing.
The politcs aren't mine, but when Quinn is calling the black guys on their bullshit and they're calling him a racist, well, that's a lot better than the pretense we get on most TV.
Cheney (answering the door dressed as OBL): Hey, kids, I'm a fucking Islamic terrorist, and you're all gonna fucking die!
Trick-or-Treating Kids: [Scream loudly and run away, dropping their bags]
Cheney: I almost forgot: go fuck yourselves!
That would have been a better skit.
I love the smell of Falafal in the morning.
-B O'Reilly
Thanks alot bcdm.
lip synching - eminem had a backing track, that's how his voice was made to sound that way, doubling or maybe tripling his voice to sound like hte video. but he was singing too. he lowered the mike to show he had a background track. there were a ton of lip synching jokes throughout the show, so I'm sure he showed what he was doing on purpose, probably to defuse tab headlines on Monday. no sense having his message stepped on by a mini-b.s. controversy. Simpson had the whole song on lip synch -- a Milli Vanilli move and quite a different matter.
No worries.
Palmer-- I agree.
Or how about the ghosts of today's 9 dead marines who haunt GOP voters in the future?
Tough Crowd is good even though Colin is an ignorant Chimpisizer
They might have been trying to draw a parallel between OBL and the 'barefoot and pregnant' fundamentalists.
Shitheels like Limbaugh are going to give THK a hard time the next four years- so why let SNL take shots? There's no fricken way the other side would roll over if that joke was made about Laura. Work the refs- wherever you find them.
SNL- drawn out self satisfied sketches put together by people hoping to come up with a catch phrase driven character Lorne Michaels will build a bad movie around.
Bush leads in Battleground States.
anonymous in nc :
If I am not mistaken, Hitchens became a citizen at some point over the last couple of years.
"Tough Crowd is good even though Colin is an ignorant Chimpisizer"
That's like saying throwing up is good except for the vomiting part.
Or getting hitting by a bus is good except for the part where you get splattered all over the pavement.
Does Laura Bush smoke?
just noticed this thread has been removed from the web site. quess he agreed the show was shit.
F SNL sugar ray docu on Foxsportsnet....oh, crap it just ended....still better
Cybermen!
But personally, I make racist jokes and sexist jokes all the time, more to make fun of the stupidity of racism and sexism than anything else, but I still don't find this offensive.
And the mask drops.
How does making racist jokes and sexist jokes "all the time" point up the stupidity of said jokes? HOW?
It sounds like you just really like racist jokes and sexist jokes, because you're racist and sexist, and you're trying to rationalize it with a weak, illogical argument.
But that's just me.
Teresa can handle them, methinks... she is a person of integrity and has the economy of means to exercise power in her own realm, so not much gets past her. I am sure Kerry loves and trusts her for that quality of being.
She is in a Power/Source position and people "hate" her for it, unconsciously and collectively which is basically misogynistic but like I said, not conscious. It is automaticity at its worst.
Anyway, thank goodness she doesn't have to rely on the public for support. In this regard the public could respect her stand for making things work well and with substance.
That's like saying throwing up is good except for the vomiting part.
That tickled my funny bone.
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9/11 cut off SNL's political balls. They were never the Daily Show, but were doing some funny Bush stuff w/Will Ferrell until then. Ferrell cited the blanding-out of the political humor as a reason for leaving the show.
this is off point, but have any of you seen any new swift vet ads popping up? just caught one in the minnesota market. sick bastards.
just noticed this thread has been removed from the web site. quess he agreed the show was shit.
Hitchens is such an asshole.
He says:
"this is a single-issue election and that that is a good and necessary thing"
Fuck you. Tell that to the people who live in trailer parks and housing projects who can't afford to even go to the doctor once every few years, or all the 13 year olds being raped by their fathers who will have to risk their lives in a back-alley if Bush has things the way he wants them.
FUCK YOU CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS YOU PIECE OF EXCREMENT.
Yasonyacky
you're so superior to us in every way...how can I be like you....oh, I know open my heart to the world and touch a rainbow at least once a week...yipppeeee
SNL has sucked horribly since Welch started taking heat for being a scumbag and pervert. It was only occasionally funny for most of my life. It has become a marketing poopchute for marginal characters and sucks the life out of its performers. Phil Hartman rocked, rip. Dennis Miller used to be funny but he made a conscious premeditated decision to suck ass. Wayne's World was fun enough my mom still watches the movie for yuks, and she's 60. The target audience for that show has to be aging boomers.
Mad TV is only just starting to really suck enough that I quit watching it ever on purpose. Stuart cracks me up, so does his mom. But it is not as good without Debra Wilson, Pool Boy, etc.
Broadcast television just hella sucks and I mostly have given up on pretending to keep up with it. I love IFN, BBC America, HBO, Cartoon Network late night, and the weather channel. There is no will to allow creativity to be channeled into television programming. I watch Prisoner reruns because they are relevant and don't feed you everything with a baby spoon. Samurai Saturday on IFN? Religiously. SNL? I might try and see the news because Tina Fey is hot, and I like watching her facial scar under the lights-are they filling it in this week or what? Otherwise it is not funny no matter what your political persuasion. No love, just commerce. Quid pro quo laughter doesn't cut it.
SNL is 30 years old. That's 140 in dogshit years. Enough already.
The Thick White Duke
Hah!
I've always thought SNL was very funny.....30 years ago.
Konopelli,
I'm no expert at reading the political tea leaves of musical genres, but I have some thoughts on why we have such high hopes of the youth vote.
I'm a college prof and interact with this age group every day. Four years ago, I can't think of a single one of my students that expressed a political opinion. The attitude was that "politics" was like gardening or hockey--something that they weren't particular interested in and gave no thought to.
They really thought it made no difference to their lives or this country whether it was Bush or Gore who became President. After all, since they were in jr hi, the economy was great, we weren't at war, etc.
This year a number approached me to register (I was a voluteer registrar). More mentioned that they were already registered.
And not one has said a positive word about Bush.
BTW, heard in a Thursday class that most had seen "Mosh"--others in the class wanted to know how to get it . . . .
MadTV's got better actors/mimics/commedians.
And SNL is responsible for Adam Sandler and the creepy little blond-haired guy.
And the mask drops.
My thought exactly.
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Hey! Peter Bergen is coming up on CNN in a few ----,
but first, this message from the campaign stump speeches
ZZZZZzzzz
Cheney [answering the door dressed as OBL]: So you want some candy, you little assholes? Well, how about a fucking nuclear bomb!
[Pulls a plastic hand grenade from the bowl of candy]
Trick-or-treating Kids: [Scream and run]
Cheney: Don't forget to fuck yourselves!
Tina Fey...yummmmmy
I am working at the polls for most of Tuesday so I went to vote absentee today. I expected to be given a paper ballot. Instead, I had to vote electronically. The registrar's office employee put the card in the machine to start the process before I realized that I would not be given a paper ballot. I asked if I could withdraw, and the worker said no, because I had already started the process. I felt sick.
Had I voted at my normal precinct, I would have had at least a 50% chance of voting manually. They are using 2 electronic machines and two manual ones in that precinct.
Dennis Miller was never, ever funny. His HBO show blew. Any funny jokes he told on SNL were, I guarantee you, written by someone else. DM is also a piece of excrement.
man, i would watch prisoner reruns too if i knew when they were on.
be seeing you
Yasonyacky - What I meant was that I say the jokes sarcastically.
i think trying to get laughs out of how funny everyone ought to think the idea of endlessly beating Theresa Heinz-Kerry should be is weak. What the fuck? You couldn't do a joke on SNL about how Laura Bush should be beaten. That's some fucking bullshit. Not that I want to see skits partially about how Laura Bush should be beaten, but I certainly don't think it's funny to joke about the subject of wife beating. What the fuck? People who say objecting to this means you don't have a sense of humour can fucking suck it. Fuck y'all. Parts of the skit were funny, but some of it was just plain not OK.
just noticed this thread has been removed from the web site. quess he agreed the show was shit.
Kym orCim:
Heck darlin, you're closer to it than I am, I betcha. Got kids? Know any kids well? The average age of most folks with whom I interact anymore has to be at LEAST 45. I'm near 60 (a scary though for the eve of all hallow's eve...)
Are kids mainly titillated by the overt violence, oppressive mysogyny, pimp-opulence, as we in the 60s were on the psychotropic, psychadellic allusions of the Airplane, Moby Grape, Arlo Guthrie, and a host of others?
I do not to this day have any clear idea of how many of my peers were actually consuming high potency psychotropics. I was, which may account for my sketchiness as to the details of the period.
But my point would be that when i heard Gracie tell us how one pill makes you larger, well i knew which one that one was...and so i wonder how many young folks actually have first-hand knowledge of the more odious and destructive of the sentiments and practices--and im not talkin about smokin a blunt, either--which appear pretty routinely in both lyrics and video productions during my absent scans of the music video channels on my satellite???
strong women scare me like my mommy did when she would spank me and tell my daddy I was bad and he would spank me.....I hate my mommy
Nowhereman salutes the Prisoner. Best damned show.
Ever.
Saturday Night Live is an excellent show
for me to poop on!
"any funny jokes he [dennis miller]told on snl were, i guarantee you, written by someone else."
true. they were written by al franken for the most part.
pol -- I feel your pain. I was planning to vote early too, cuz I'm also doing the poll watching gig on Tuesday, but I called ahead and found out that early voting was by e-machine only, so I decided not to--- I will NOT support the paperless e-voting system
I am so pissed about the fact that they've had 3.5 f*ckin years to get this right
NBC is gonna get some mail on the THK thing, you watch.
And if Limbaugh goes after THK next year, I really think he's gonna get a big fat surprise. She'll find a nice, no-cussing, probably way-the-fuck-over-his-head way to put him in his place. Well, almost, given that his place is in a carwash somewhere...
just noticed this thread has been removed from the web site. quess he agreed the show was shit.
hUH?
Holy Cow: To compare Dennis Miller with excrement is to do a vast disservice to the bacteria in the shit which are doing their best to neutralize the toxics you have excreted, whilst miller simply wallows in it...
If you missed Will Forte's even better than Will Ferrell's Bush in the debate satire series, you gotta watch the re-runs. That shit was fucking hilarious.
from salon.com
Tucker Carlson calls it for Kerry
Here's yet another October surprise: the bow-tied wonderboy is calling the election for Kerry. That's right -- "Crossfire's" Tucker Carlson predicts in a "2004 Crystal Ball" roundup for the Opinion section of the Sunday Washington Post that the Democrat will win with 51.5 percent of the popular vote and 278 electoral votes. As a blogger over at Daily Kos uncharitably remarks, "Perhaps Jon Stewart slapped some sense into him after all."
You will be less bug-eyed to hear that Ann Coulter, that voice of dispassionate analysis, calls it for Bush (52 to 47, popular, 317 to 221, electoral) as does Fox News gabber Tony Snow and the Weekly Standard's heavily war-bunkered neocon Bill Kristol, by the same popular margin. The Wonkette and public radio host Kojo Nnamdi give it to Kerry. "
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Dennis Miller was never, ever funny.
You said it, Holy Cow. I'm flabbergasted with the current conventional wisdom that Dennis Miller was funny until he decided to become a right-wing pundit. Back when he was on SNL (and back when I watched the show), I couldn't even watch anything with him in it because he was just a great big pile of annoying smirk. Oooooh, look at him, he knows the word "extemporaneous." Wow, that's certainly a foundation for humor.
As Wil Wheaton said on his blog, "I stopped watching SNL years ago, because . . . well, because it's thirty-five different kinds of sucks."
Don't forget:
National Celibacy Day
November 2nd
NO DICK - NO BUSH!
"And if Limbaugh goes after THK next year, I really think he's gonna get a big fat surprise. She'll find a nice, no-cussing, probably way-the-fuck-over-his-head way to put him in his place. Well, almost, given that his place is in a carwash somewhere..."
After Kerry wins, Limbaugh will be back in that Shoney's parking lot, looking to feed his hillbilly heroin habit.
We'll be reading about another rehab soon.
Real soon.
damn, how old are you people?
I still cherish the hope that lil ol' Rusty Limbaugh does some hard time at Raiford, or some good place like that...
Packers vs. D.C. at noon EST
Come on Brett......
John Kerry on Sabado Gigante now (West Coast).
After Kerry wins, Limbaugh will be back in that Shoney's parking lot, looking to feed his hillbilly heroin habit.
He's already there.
Next time you hear about it, he'll be on a slab in the morgue.
i irrationally picked the packers in an nfl survivor pool i'm in. i feel pretty good about it, but i probably should have taken seattle instead.
Thanks for the heads up. I think I'll pop in one of the Halloween DVDs early. 
To paraphrase Eddie Murphy, the only tasteless jokes are unfunny ones. Sounds like this OBL skit is unfunny. Oh well, I haven't watched SNL amost as long as Elvis Costello was banned for playing RADIO, RADIO.
If we actually want to have a real discussion about the door to door campaign, that would be great.
I have a friend who lives in Reno. He'd probably be considerd a moderate Dem - we grew up hating Nixon with a passion. There's no way in hell he's going to vote for the Chimp. The incessant political advertising, phone calls, and house visits he's had to put up with reached the boiling-over point about a week and a half ago. He was esp. livid about the constant entreaties to "vote early," despite his (initially) patient explanations that he would have to drive ten miles out of his way to do so, whereas if he waited until election day, he could walk down the block before he left for work.
Personally, I think anything other than voluntary rallies and parties for the faithful the last couple of days before an election is just a complete waste of time and money - I personally get extremely annoyed at all the "last minute" TV advertising. If people haven't made up their mind yet, fuck 'em - you're better off making sure the committed get to the polls.
"I still cherish the hope that lil ol' Rusty Limbaugh does some hard time at Raiford, or some good place like that..."
With a angry and violent "roommate" whose ethnicity lil Rusty has insulted and mocked over the years.
Which covers just about everybody except overfed white male Republicans.
sorry I keep readin gjust a few comments and getting more weirded out. eminem was not lip synching, his performance was definitely being monitored though. he was not looking down at lyrics on the floor, you could see the floor in the camera shot!
paranoia strikes deep...
Bush, tambien, pero segundo...
the guy who owns univision is a huge Bush supporter, so if you can, attend to the ways in whihc Don Francisco questions the two, and the differences --if any-- in style or content...
Nowhereman salutes the Prisoner. Best damned show.
Ever.
nowhereman
Agreed.
"Who is Number 2?"
"You are(,) Number 6."
What? Are you people talking about me?
Huh?
Goddamn, why is everybody whispering?
Speak up!
What?
SNL's parody on Bush for their debate skits was pretty dead-on -- more dead-on than funny actually.
I don't get the Kerry impression though. It's more of a parody of the RNC talking points Kerry than the actual Kerry, so it's basically non-funny.
So far this season, the only show they've had that I actually laughed at was the Ben Afflec one -- unusally good after the news segment (quality usually drops off sharply after Weekend Update).
I'm on West Coast so I haven't seen tonight's show - I'll reserve judgement.
... Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel, "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the Promised Land."
Nearly 5,000 years later, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel; this is the Promised Land!"
Now Bush Jr. wants to steal your shovels, kick your asses, raise the price of your Camels, and mortgage the Promised Land.
Bush Jr. wants to change the Republican Party Emblem from an elephant to a condom, because it stands for inflation, protects a bunch of pricks, halts production, and gives a false sense of security while one is being screwed.
Dennis Miller was never, ever funny.
Well, no, he was, occasionally - when he was reading from a decent script.
Same with Dana Carvey. Left to his own devices, he's incredibly bad.
I know Miller and Carvey both had careers in stand-up, but notice that isn't what made them popular... it was reading from cue cards on TV.
ACK! did anyone see the ticker at the bottom of the screen on CNN?
"U.S. Officials urge Americans to vote, go about daily life"
(Next, a conversation with RuPaul about the campaign)
Is this a great country of what!
BWAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA sigh.
miami vice ruled!!!
How team Bush has bungled the al-Qaqaa controversy -- a new "60 Minutes" blockbuster coming on Sunday.
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Hehe! Habló un poco en español! Only two sentences though. Didn't sound bad.
Wow... Nowhere Man, the Prisoner, and Mister X!
Talk about your obscure connections...
I urge all Prisoners to vote, go about daily life.
Be seeing you.
A lot of the postings on this blog often contain no link or explanation regarding what is being "discussed". Not everyone is tuned in to eveyr media outlet all the time--help us out with a few more references / links, please Atrios.
Tic... tic?
>slap!<
Tic... tic?
>slap!
Number one
I order you to take a number two
huhh..huhhhh.huhhh
Konopelli:
My dissertation was on hip-hop, digital sampling, and hypertext. I have a little bit of insight into the politics of hip-hop.
Hip-hop, like punk, almost always falls on the left side of the fence. However, there is an interesting exception to this trend - So-called "apocalyptic" hip-hop. While not really a right-wing phenomenon (due primarily, I would postulate, to the socio-economic status of the practitioners), apocalyptic hip-hop does share a belief system with the militia movements on the extreme fringes of the right - e.g., distrust of one-world government, freemasons, black helicopters, the U.N., etc. The lyrics quote extensively from the text of the book of Revelation. However, the politics of this apocalyptic movement within hip-hop is decidedly a politics of separation - withdrawal from the "system," conflict with "the man," etc.
Anyway, there are some revolutionary leftist sentiments expressed through hip-hop (see, for example, The Coup), but in general the politics of hip-hop is very personal (degraded condition of my neighborhood, danger to my life, unfairness of my situation, my solution.
That's a quick sketch (probably not as accurate as I'd like) of politics of hip-hop. I have heard one quite good song (on the "Soul in the Hole" soundtrack, never heard from the artists involved - Darc Mind - again) which seems to say something like "Rhymer Republican, your Democrap I've read... (unintelligible) fightin' upstream so spread... see everything ain't all about cause and effect... you got to suffer, sacrifice, then resurrect (resurrect)...
Oh, BTW, re: Goth politics: generally left, but would never admit it.
OT Question:
I live across the street from a Polling Place is there any reason that I can't have signs up in front yard?
BTW, anyone know anything about a cable channel called WAM? They're showing "Dr. Phibes Rises Again" right now, to be followed by "Tremors"...
damn, how old are you people?
Obviously older than you because I'm not asking.
Konopelli.....
no
no no no
no no no..
i'm outside
looking in...
.
Who would they vote for?
-Victor Frankl
-Susan B. Anthony
-Charlie Parker
Who would they vote for?
-J. Edgar Hoover
-Lindburgh
-Father O'Coughlin
Anybody out there with an interest in multidimensional scaling? Have every president vote for or against every other president. Include this year's candidates.
WAM -- isn't that the Women's Afterhours Movies Channel?
WAM-What Another Movie?
MoDo's pissed.
The Bushies' campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe, you should re-elect us to make you safer. Because we haven't caught Osama in three years, you need us to catch Osama in the next four years. Because we didn't bother to secure explosives in Iraq, you can count on us to make sure those explosives aren't used against you.
You'd think that seeing Osama looking fit as a fiddle and ready for hate would spark anger at the Bush administration's cynical diversion of the war on Al Qaeda to the war on Saddam. It's absurd that we're mired in Iraq - an invasion the demented vice president praised on Friday for its "brilliance" - while the 9/11 mastermind nonchalantly pops up anytime he wants. For some, it seemed cartoonish, with Osama as Road Runner beeping by Wile E. Bush as Dick Cheney and Rummy run the Acme/Halliburton explosives company - now under F.B.I. investigation for its no-bid contracts on anvils, axle grease (guaranteed slippery) and dehydrated boulders (just add water)...
Konopelli - I think the ratio of genuine to wannabes in todays youth culture is probably not that much different than in the 60s/70s. The wannabes today may be a little more numerous as the harder edged core is more difficult to emulate convincingly.
Brian Lamb
I think Clinton voted for himself in "96...now Reagan, did he even know there was an election in '84?
Without a doubt, the highlight of the show was the Smigel cartoon.
The Apocalypse Now flashback had me howling!
Brian Lamb -
S.B. Anthony would write herself in.
Lindberg would vote Badnarik
Goddamn it, I know you liberals are talking about me!
Shit, I can't hear a fucking thing!
What?
Somebody say something?
. . . .
And not one has said a positive word about Bush.
Texas, this is excellent news! (Especially if you are in TX.)
BTW, heard in a Thursday class that most had seen "Mosh"--others in the class wanted to know how to get it . . . .
You can direct your students to www.moshthevote.com or http://www.independentmediasourc...om/tmp/
mosh.htm, where they can find lots of mirror sites.
Oops - should have read:
"Goth politics: generally progressive...
Emma Paul-Can I get Lindburgh on CSPAN to debate Susan B. Anthony? I mean, they are dead. But that has not stopped that walking zombie, Dick "Fuck You" Cheney and "Demian" Rumsfeld.
Father O'Coughlin would vote Natural Law or that wacky Constitution Party.
Konopelli--
As a not-quite-young-person-anymore, I can tell you that Goths are likely NOT voting Republican: Goths tend to be queer-friendly.
Your techno types tend toward the libertation-anarchist: against drug laws (natch), suspicious of authority, unsentimental. I'm guessing that's a voter-block for Kerry.
Rock breaks into metal and indie; the indie crowd is I think overwhelmingly pro-Kerry, and I simply don't know anything about the metal crowd.
Hiphop likely breaks for Kerry too, what with the anti-drug-law activism from on high and various black issues that come along with the music. I'm guessing that hard core hiphop fans will diverge from the fratboy hiphop fans here.
In general, it seems to be that the question will be how serious the music fans are about their music. I mean, have you seen the lame-o musicians that the Bush camp dredged up for their campaign appearences?
I was asleep so I didn't see SNL, but my ideas (based on this firm evidence of course) about the Teresa skit is that its offensiveness (or not) would depend on how it was acted. If the acting made it clear that Teresa is rich and quite powerful and Osama a weirdo it might be ok. If the acting focused on Teresa being a woman and Osama a woman-hating man then it would be bad.
Though I don't know how someone who has been beaten would react.
re upthread comment about no Laura-Bush-beating jokes on SNL-- exactly. Having this "joke" trotted out for the hooting brownshirts in the audience says it all about what kind of bootlickers are running the show these days. We really should let em hear about it.
"I wish Eminem wasn't such a jerk."
Well, get over it. A lot of great artists, and scientists, and musicians, and politicians, and writers, are jerks. Not all of them, but a lot of them.
Miles Davis was a jerk. Picasso was a jerk. Isaac Newton was a jerk. Billie Holliday was a jerk. Hemingway was a jerk. Jackson Pollack was a jerk.
That these people were jerks does not negate their significant contributions.
Judge the work on its merits.
Oh, and one more thing. If I read one more whining complaint about violence in rap I'm gonna scream. How many of the idiot pundits bitching about so-called gangsta rap love country-western murder ballads and sang "Good Night Irene" around the campfire when they were kids? Jeebus. These are STORIES, people, like the old fairy tales about wolves...
We'll be reading about another rehab soon.
Real soon.
Palmer Woodrow
Yup. I check in for a few seconds, here and there--all I can stand anymore--and that boy is stone losing it. He's either found a new drug, or his brain is about to implode. I almost feel sorry for the guy. Almost.
I'll put it up on my blog tomorrow if you people want it. Let me know, I'm in LA so It hasn't aired yet>
www.crooksandliars.com
Also have alot of Daily Show skits including the one about the missing explosives. Many thanks for Atrios for linking us up that clip we had of the crazy women on CNN called:Pletkapalooza
C&L
Brian -- by all means, dress up actors in period costumes and have S.B.A. debate the All-Merican Nazi aviator boy wonder. Now THAT could be a Smigel toon
Jackmormon -
I'm guessing that hard core hiphop fans will diverge from the fratboy hiphop fans here.
Yes. Good call - I agree. Forgot about the Beastie Boys set.
Brooks n Dune are one of the best artists around nowdays.
Osama Tape Leads U.S. to Raise Vigilance
By KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER
WASHINGTON (AP) - A new videotape of Osama bin Laden could be a signal for an attack, government officials warned in a new bulletin that urges state and local authorities to be extra vigilant.
There is no immediate indication that the tape of the al-Qaida leader, which aired Friday, offered any sign of an impending strike, said a U.S. government official, speaking on condition of anonymity. Intelligence agencies are conducting further analysis on the tape.
The warning shortly before Tuesday's election follows public discussion by top Bush administration officials during the summer about the seriousness of a potential threat to disrupt the election.
``We remain concerned about al-Qaida's interest in attacking the American homeland, and we cannot discount the possibility that the video may be intended to promote violence or serve as a signal for an attack,'' according to the memo sent late Friday from the FBI and the Homeland Security Department.
The bulletin went to homeland security advisers; federal, state and local law enforcement; and select members of private industry.
The government official said steps have been taken to secure the public and that homeland security officials have been urged to keep vigilant.
The tape, including portions net yet broadcast, contained no overt threat and no specific timetable or method of an attack, according to a law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Umm, folks, can I ask you a question? When was the last time snl was funny? I sat and watched that shit one night and was appalled. I suppose the only reason that the show hasn't been cancelled is because they don't have a replacement for it. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Peace
Jazzy
Wife-beating = not funny (even when done by a clown)
Osama Bin Laden joking about beating Theresa Heinz Kerry because he doesn't like her = kinda funny
A few republican first women:
Mamie
Pat
Betty
Nancy
Barbara
Laura
A few democratic first women:
Eleanor
Bess
Jacqueline
Lady Bird
Rosalyn
Hillary
Teresa
I think it is clear: drunken wombats who you would not want to have a conversation with versus thinking and engaged persons.
cont'd
This official, who was briefed on the entire tape, said much of what has not aired amounts to a sustained diatribe against President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush. It even criticizes the current president's economic and jobs programs and contends that the Iraq war is all about oil, the official said.
Government officials were comparing what bin Laden said with other al-Qaida intelligence gathered to see if patterns emerge that could lead them to a plot or potential terrorist operatives. That includes a tape aired Thursday by ABC News in which a shrouded man claiming to be an American member of al-Qaida promised attacks that will make U.S. streets ``run red with blood.''
The president on Saturday directed his national security aides to take any necessary steps in response to the bin Laden tape.
Bush held a videoconference call with national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and the heads of the CIA, FBI and departments of Justice and Homeland Security.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the president directed them to make sure any necessary action is taken with regard to the tape.
McClellan did not say what steps were being taken or contemplated. He played down the possibility of the administration raising the threat advisory level, currently at ``yellow,'' or elevated, for most of the country.
Also Saturday, several hundred homeland security officials and some police chiefs held a conference call to discuss the tapes. Security at polling places on Tuesday was among the concerns and questions they raised.
Here we go-get strapped in tight because it is going to be a bumpy ride until the polls close Tuesday night.
C-Span is showing the Oxford Union Debate from Thursday:
"Should Bush be re-elected?"
What Ho.
Wife-beating = not funny (even when done by a clown)
Osama Bin Laden joking about beating Theresa Heinz Kerry because he doesn't like her = kinda funny
Bebe - Mamie was not a wombat.
Meme- I agree. Fasten your seatbelt and make sure you know where the exits are.
Heads up:
'That's My Bush!' marathon tomorrow on Comedy Central. Starts at midnight EST.
So that we can remember how even in the summer of 2001, Chimpy was considered a dumbass.
Congratulations to SNL, for becoming even worse than Mad TV.
The worst thing about SNL isn't their bad, over-long sketches. It isn't their insistence that Jimmy Fallon is funny, while the rest of Earth says otherwise. It isn't even their shitty musical guests.
The worst thing about SNL is the cultural importance the media places on it. CNN still does news stories on a show that should have ended years ago. Meanwhile, comedians that actually are culturally relevant - David Cross, Doug Stanhope, etc. - remain cult figures.
The show was revolutionary for about five minutes, then burned out. It took over ten years for it to become as good as it was from 75-80. The unholy trio of Robert Smigel, Conan O'Brien, and Bob Odenkirk is the best thing to come out of that show, ever. And they were all writers.
Fuck SNL. I grew out of it after high school.
And fuck anyone who thinks racist sketch comedy is funny. Go vote for "Last Comic Standing," then watch a marathon of "Tough Crowd." Wait. Both those shows have been shitcanned. Guess you're fucked...
I'm Forrest Gabitsch, and I approve this woozy tirade.
Nancy has picked up point in my book, esp after I found out that she HATES Babs. She never invited Babs and Bunnypants I to any of the cool private parties. I think THK will make a good first lady once she learns to watch what she says. She will be living in a goldfish bowl. I like her because she looks like she would kick your ass with a whiskey bottle if you pissed her off.
"Tough Crowd." has been shitcanned. Thank you God.
Ugh. Eminem is a barely competent rapper, nowhere near skilled enough to justify his anti-gay rhetoric and general goonishness. I can't believe anyone who has ever heard Slug would think Eminem was worth wasting time on.
Furthermore, I'm a bit bemused at how excited people are about Mosh, as if it's the first and only thing any musical artist has done to mobilize people against Bush. What have Moby and NOFX been doing for years?
But, y'know, in the end, screw it: If it gets the kids out to vote, I'm all for it.
I'm amused at how many of you are oh-so-big Eminem fans now.
He doesn't give a shit about politics and John Kerry. He just slams who will get him the most publicity at any given time.
This is the same guy the PC crowd despised and now they're kissing his ass and calling MTV to request his video.
What a bunch of suckers you are.
FeralLiberal-in re Mamie was not a wombat--I have memories of she and Franco leaning out of windows and saying "I am not dead yet". Also, I once met her in a donut store. The clientele were discussing transcendental metaphysics in German philosophy. And she said " I don't know fuck about metaphysics but can I have a creme filled chocolate donut?" Fucking pragmatist!
nsr wrote:
re upthread comment about no Laura-Bush-beating jokes on SNL-- exactly. Having this "joke" trotted out for the hooting brownshirts in the audience says it all about what kind of bootlickers are running the show these days. We really should let em hear about it.
I already pointed out an example of Laura-Bush-beating jokes on TV which no one seemed especially offended by:
This makes me think of "That's My Bush" and how in every episode George would always say to Laura, "One of these days, Laura, I'm gonna punch you...in the face!" If you can appreciate that this was more of an absurdist take on that old Ralph Kramden line from the Honeymooners than an actual endorsement of wife-beating, then I don't see why the Osama line about Teresa would be much more offensive, although I didn't see the sketch so I can't be sure.
Eminem was totally lip-synching both of those songs. And he had to check the monitors to remember the lyrics to his own songs?
If he does manage to get people out to vote, great. But he's still a horrible act.
Eminem?:
I don't think it's so much that there are huge eminem fans on this board (though "I Just Don't Give a Fuck" is one of my favorite songs ever) - it's more that it's a plus for our side. He happens to be pretty popular with a particular segment of voters, and this helps us.
Say what you want about his art and his motives (neither of which I give much of a flying fuck one way or the other), but the man has a following, and he tried to mobilize them. I, for one, am glad about that.
Spinoza
You know the rethugs are going to try to dominate the news with the OBL-tape=Terra, this way maybe we will forget about the missing explosives.
Not me-Hail stone can hit me in the head and I am still going to place my
vote! You know not the Baseball size hail, but the golf-ball size hail stones.
Ich bin ein Lesbian Donut - Mary Cheney
Bebe - By denying her wombatism I was endorsing her drunkeness.
SNL has sucked for years now. It has to be one of the most pretentious and humorless "comedy" shows on the tele.
And I’m really getting sick of how the right keeps bashing on independent women. Hillary and Tereza are individuals who speak their minds and lead their own lives.
Laura is an air-headed old control freak with underwear stained by frost.
The repubs still love their women “seen and not heard.”
I'm amused at how many of you have little or no sense of humor.
That opening SNL skit was waaay long and not very funny. That Smigel cartoon was waaay long anf not very even if the Apocalypse Now ending was cool.
After Kerry gets in the White House, he and his wife will be parodied constantly. That's how it works, you know? You're going to have to make some adjustments in your attitude.
Some of you act like those pompous people that think Bush is untouchable and should be treated like a king. Anyone that dares to sat anything should be jailed or shot or something.
Fuck that.
C-Span is showing the Oxford Union Debate from Thursday:
Heh. That chamber's been filled with so much hot air over the past century, I'm surprised it hasn't left the ground and floated off somewhere.
"Ich bin ein Lesbian Donut - Mary Cheney"
HEY! The one good thing to come out of these 380 tons of explosives being nicked is not having to hear about Lesbo-for-Hire anymore. Let's keep it that way.
Attaturk,
RE:"Kerry leads in both Minnesota and Iowa in latest Star Tribune and DesMoines Register polls!"
Fuck the stupid SNL skit! That is
GREAT news! YEEEEEARRRGHHHHHHH!
I can go to bed now.....
In 1 minutes it will be 1am again.
-the s=minute-senior moment
I seem to recall dennis miller being funny early on in his hbo show; the charlie sheen sniffed and/or drunk off his ass interview was something to see. and he certainly wasnt the robo-repig he is these days. now I say: fuck him.
the funniest thing on tv tonight for me was hearing chimpy's radio address on cspan. he sounds timid, hunted; he's worried osamas gonna git'im. within 5 seconds he launched into the same old tired attack on kerry and finished it off with a gawdblessthausa.
Tough Crowd is good even though Colin is an ignorant Chimpisizer
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If Quinn could enunciate worth a damn, I might actually listen.
Meme-Yeah, I hope you are correct. But it does sadden me that roughly half this country has zombie tendencies.
SNL? is right. Remember all those mean jokes we made about how Laura Bush should be beaten for being a woman who dares to rise above her station? What hypocrites we are.
Eminem was NOT lyp-synching people! In that type of hip-hop the singers voice is also recorded and sampled as part of the music. It is also recorded on two or more tracks to create a certain sound. During a live performance this is still done on those parts of the song with the singer singing live in harmony with it. This is not the same thing as lip-synching. I saw the same thing you did, but understood what it was. And you may have noticed he didn't try to hide it, because he was in fact rapping live with samples of his own voice. Anyway, back to the slightly more important matter of winning this election.
The opening skit was funny. Yes, the reference to beating Teresa was in bad taste, but when you buy into the conceit that this is the most infamous terrorist in the world supposedly saying this, it's hard to be outraged over it. Beforehand, "Osama" stated that both campaigns had approached him to urge that he endorse his opponnent. Osama adds, "Why should I do anything for Bush? He hasn't paid me any attention since he got busy with Iraq." (This line was greeted with much applause). He then has a line about two Kerry supporter registering him to vote in Cincinnati (a line which got some laughs). He went on about learning the issues and being concerned about health care. He also had funny lines about the horror of America exporting cultural rot like "lip-synching pop stars" -- a reference to last week's Ashlee Simpson fiasco. On the whole, not a bad "fair and balanced" effort. The rest of the show pretty much sucked.
the zombies are already voting Bush.
Hopefully we already have enough on board to vote Kerry.
I am reading all the local papers in the swing states-and I am getting good vibes about Kerry winning this and taking a few red states, like Arkansas and West Virginia. I already think he has Ohio. Maybe too
optimistic but thats how I feel.
this just in ... a british reporter can sue Ah-nuld for groping her in 2000 ... the gropinator is about to go bill o'reilly on us --- HA HA HA
Just a comment on THK (like anyone is reading this many comments): people don't like some aspects of her personality, mainly the one that says that everything is all about her. Like her speech at the convention, for instance. About people "not liking strong women that speak their minds." No one cares, Teresa. She should talk about her husband, not herself, in that situation. Plus, just her whole talk first, ask questions later approach. The Laura-never-had-a-job thing, the "only an idiot" remark about health care (do ya think she might have a condescending attitude towards ordinary people?), the "shove it" thing. She really needs to put a sock in it, big time. And change her attitude. But I do agree that it's beyond the pale to have OBL joke about beating her. I mean, the first George Bush has a wife a lot bitchier than that by far, and you know everyone would be up in arms if that kind of joke were told about her.
!!
BTW-my mom is one of those Zombies voting for Bush. She thinks everything I tell her is some conspiracy theory I picked up on my way to mars.
Re: "Mary"
Heh heh. Is that the best you can do? Bring it.
I kinda think only wingnuts and desperate comedians care at all about Theresa. Most people heard the "shove it" story and thought, "That's what I would have said," and then completely forgot about her. After Kerry is elected, this will change, but as of now she is definitely not the spoiler so many make her out to be.
New Osama tape:
"Hey it's Me! Just thought i would let you know, Mr. Bush- Those explosives you lost in Iraq? We found them, no problem. Thanks for getting Saddam out of the way and leaving the doors open for us. My Halliburton stock is doing great too!"
You can "shove it"!
Oh, and let's put to bed the notion that it has nothing to do with Theresa being a strong female, but rather the vulgarity.
If that were true, Bush would have been kicked out of the White House the day Dick Cheney said "go fuck yerself!"
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic Sen. John Kerry moved into a one-point lead over President Bush nationally and had the edge in six key battleground states in a tight White House race, according to Reuters/Zogby polls released on Saturday.
Kerry led Bush 47-46 percent, well within the margin of error, in the latest three-day national tracking poll. Bush and Kerry were tied at 47 percent on Friday.
The bitter rivals face a frantic sprint to the finish, hunting for votes in about 10 swing states that hold the key to a win on Tuesday. Neither candidate has been able to establish a clear advantage or break the 50 percent barrier since the tracking poll began on Oct. 7.
teresa dont have to change a thing. she obviously wouldnt anyway. and anyone who votes according to the personality of the first lady is an idiot. if she was deaf and mute they would still come up with shit to smear her with. we're all ready for that right?
I for one look forward to making snide jokes about our next first lady, Teresa Heinz Kerry.
But my jokes won't involve wifebeating.
Mary:
Personally, I find THK refreshing. I don't mind that she's opinionated. And I believe she showed remarkable restraint in the Shove It incident. If you knew the history, you would agree.
And, unlike you, I DO care what she thinks. I want to know what kind of woman is married to the man who could be (will be) President. I don't think she's window dressing who ought to sit down and shut up and just make her husband look good.
All the sacrifices made to give women a voice of their own, and you support silencing one of them just because she doesn't conform to YOUR idea of what a First Lady should be?
Yes, all awful women should be beaten and beaten regularly. Awful women, also known as inconvienent women, have this annoying habit of forming their own opinions and then sharing them with others.
I'm glad I saw the OBL skit on SNL tonight. I've been an awful and inconvienent woman for far too long now. I think I'll go ask my husband to beat me into submission - but not until he finishes watching the re-run of the Vote for Change concert on Sundance. I wouldn't want to put my needs before his or anything.
And when he's ready, I'll ask him to make sure and beat me around the head really well so that I'll never be able to form a coherent thought again. And then I want him to make sure and punch me in the mouth so hard that I lose teeth and acquire such a serious and permanent split lip that I'll never be able to speak my thoughts again. And finally, I'll ask him to make sure and break all of my fingers so that I'll never be able to type my thoughts again.
I can't wait to become my new and improved, convienent and pleasing self!!
she was deaf and mute they would still come up with shit to smear her with.
You got that right.
I like her, but I am biased.
pat, Laura Bush used to be a chain-smoker, but claims she has quit. My friends say she still smokes because she has deep creases in her upper lip.
i'm not going to take a position on SNL humor past or present - funny, unfunny, offensive, whatever - but simply must point out that you young'uns are showing your age. those of you who are old enough to remember the golden michael o'donoghue era of SNL will remember that they lived to offend - a good case in point being the guyana massacre inspired opening sketch where they're all lying dead on the stage and then chase pops up and goes "live from new york - it's saturday night!" which didn't make it past the 7 second delay and outraged the nation - what SNL does is laugh at what america is afraid of. now that may be inappropriate and it may be their job, but either way they've been doing it since the beginning.
SNL has never been fantastic. Its always been a mix of gems mixed with crap. There have probably been 10 continuously funny shows in 30 years.
But the shotgun approach has provided some really great moments, so what the fuck, let it go on. The good stuff will hopefully make it to the internet or SNL compilations or something.
If you want to see Tina Fey at her best, watch Mean Girls. Damn thats a funny movie.
I didn't see it. I watched DOGVILLE instead. A fantastic film - will get you.
Its On in the west coast.
This is really bad. And it's sad.
Political humor can be funny and go after the system
Satire died long ago on SNL
This is just dumb
I've got an idea: SNL should start doing sketches about soldiers who've lost their limbs in Iraq, from improvised bombs created from materials we never secured 1 1/2 years ago, and all the high-larious! things that amputees do when they try to walk, and eat food and stuff. 'Cause you know, amputees who can't walk, resulting from a needless war, now that's comedy gold.
The PBS had a program about First Ladies last night. It was interesting, especially given this SNL sketch. I learned quite a lot about how impossible the position of the First Lady is. She gets no money for her work, but she is not expected to have an outside life. She is not expected to annoy anybody at all, but she is not expected just to sit quietly, either. It doesn't matter what she does, she will always be attacked. Because she's a symbol of all sorts of crap about women and stuff.
those of you who are old enough to remember the golden michael o'donoghue era of SNL will remember that they lived to offend
And for that matter, what about the stuff Mr. Mike wrote for National Lampoon? The folks complaining about the bin Laden sketch would probably shit their pants if they read something like "The Vietnamese Baby Book".
SNL seems to be in a pretty lame period right now. But, while I thought some of the OBL skit was in poor taste, I wasn't offended in the way I expected to be.
That is the saving grace of humor, if
you fail no one is laughing at you.
Osama Un Funny was just on in the PST.
Terrible. Where's the sense of the SATire in SNL? The whole bit about being registered by Democrats to vote in Cincy was shameful, considering the fraud the GOP is commiting there and elsewhere.
SNL players: Like so many hats in a hat box that can not find their heads.
SNL players: Like so many hats in a hat box that can not find their heads.
THE FOG OF WAR" - another great one.
I like 'offensive' satire when it's funny. Like South Park pre-2002. Or Bukowski. Or Richard Pryor.
But the OBL skit was dumb.
Land-shark
Oy vey! Jesus is not responsible for devilish two headed posting.
Ter-a-za should be beating, and often. As someone said, she looks like eddie vedder and acts like she's barbra streisand.
Laura Bush doesn't exist. She is really Betty Crocker.
So: After Kerry wins on Tuesday, when does SNL invite Teresa Heinz Kerry to be the guest host? And what skit will she be in?
I don't believe in Zimmerman
There are far too many "yes men" in SNL to be funny anymore.
It was offensive. Lacked any semblance of humour.
They really should pull the plug on this show...quickly.
Answer to my own question: Teresa sucker-punches some sucker who makes fun of the way her name is pronounced. (As a Portuguese speaker, I think it sounds just fine; muito obrigado!) Hey, Zimmerman, wanna be the sucker?
Zimmer-down-man!
Eddie Vedder and Streisand can sing. Betty Crocker is just crumbs.
The whole bit about being registered by Democrats to vote in Cincy was shameful, considering the fraud the GOP is commiting there and elsewhere.
Ummm...granted, the sketch wasn't exactly one of SNL's shining moments, but I think the point they were half-assedly trying to make was that the OBL video was nothing but a dirty Rethug trick.
Ter-a-za should be beating, and often. As someone said, she looks like eddie vedder and acts like she's barbra streisand.
Robert Zimmerman
Are you volunteering to be beaten by Mrs. Kerry? Good on you! Not enough submissive men are willing to be so open about their desires...
Stupid people love Bush
New study shows correlation between decline of IQ and rise of GOP
"Stupid people love Bush" new study proves According to the prestigious Southern California think tank, The Gluton Group, stupid people prefer President George W Bush over Senator John Kerry by a 4-to-1 margin. As Chief Resident Dr. Louis Friend characterized the results of the research, "the less intelligent you are, the more you like Bush." This landmark study, conducted over a 5 month period, involved 2400 likely voters bridging all economic stratas in the 17 states generally considered up for grabs on November 2nd. Participants were tested for intelligence, then asked to fill out a 12 page series of questions involving the Presidential candidates with results released earlier this week.
The consensus: the higher the IQ, the less people trust Bush and respect the job his administration has done. The lower the IQ, the more people admire his steadfastness. "It was pretty much a slam dunk. There's no nice way to say this. Dumb people like him. They think his unwavering nature is a positive personality trait. They even venerate him for never admitting mistakes, even when he's wrong. On the other hand, smart people think he's a lying bully. I mean, c'mon, you have a deserter accusing a decorated veteran of treason. Who's going to buy that besides stupid people?"
Preliminary results:
IQ Above 140: Kerry 80%, Bush 20%.
120-140: Kerry 65%, Bush 35%.
100-120: Kerry 54%, Bush 46%.
80-100: Bush 54%, Kerry 46%.
60-80: Bush 60%, Kerry 15%, Dale Earnhardt Jr. 25%.
And on this wonderful note I am going to bed-must rest trick n treating tomorrow.
bcdm, that was a good one!
SNL is boring. Back to MadTV.
One more thought-I always thought the Janet Reno skits were funny.
The Prisoner.
Best. TV. Show. Ever.
True story: I'm 40, just found my elder brother this year (we were both given for adoption as infants, never met until this year). One of the things we share is the belief that The Prisoner is the Best Show Ever.
Dem Bones!
The Bin Laden skit was not so much offensive as just stupid. SNL's political humor was much better in 2000, with Will Farrell doing Bush and Darrell Hammond's dead-on Gore. As for Mosh, a friend of mine pointed out -- if Eminem really wanted to mobilize people to register and vote, why didn't he come out with this in June, say, when people could still register?
Ok, 300 zillion posts later and SNL still sucks.
Meanwhile, things are looking very good for Kerry in Iowa and Minnesota.
The Smigel cartoon is good as usual (so far)
I honestly don't get all of the traffic about SNL... I figured everybody realized it hasn't been funny since it became a network darling.
There is no real comedy on network TV, because it might piss off a sponsor or two. Hollywood seems to be the altar to which sellout comedians go the suck the scaly, bile-filled cock of Corporate Satan.
"If you do a commercial, you're off the artistic roll-call forever" - Bill Hicks
I honestly don't get all of the traffic about SNL... I figured everybody realized it hasn't been funny since it became a network darling.
There is no real comedy on network TV, because it might piss off a sponsor or two. Hollywood seems to be the altar to which sellout comedians go the suck the scaly, bile-filled cock of Corporate Satan.
"If you do a commercial, you're off the artistic roll-call forever" - Bill Hicks
On goth politics, here's an excellent minority position statement: Goths for Bush. I'm pretty sure it's a parody.
Pretty sure....
I honestly don't get all of the traffic about SNL... I figured everybody realized it hasn't been funny since it became a network darling.
Which happened in...oh, 1977 or so.
12 year old drummer rages on the drums.
Okay, now I've seen it.
It has it's moments - the bit about Bush not paying attention to him since Iraq and I even chuckled tha tthe two Kerry supporters registering him. Even the J Lo reference was kinda of funny.
The but the bit about THK being beaten - just not funny. If I was the script editing I would have cut that bit on the first draft. That's their general problem - editing. I always hear about sketches being dropped (or so the performers claim). God, those must really suck.
The McCain cartoon, however, is hilarious.
And the Clinton bit was pretty funny.
But enough running commentary.
doncha get it? They made FUN of Osama. that certainly cuts into the fear = Bush victory meme.
But you did get that the OBL skit was supposed to be based upon a translation by the State Dept.
The State Dept. turned a speech by the No.1 most hated man in America into a Bush talking points speech.
Get it? Even OBL can't stand THK. Just like everyone in America, right?
The writers did manage to slip in that he couldn't endorse Bush because he had forgotten him since he went after Saddam.
Get it?
As Emily Latella would say "Never mind."
It is time for people to take back America. A funny word people. An even stranger idea in the history of America. Commentators,whether pundits or comedians, should show you that you have not done enough. They do their job and hopefully they will spawn the next TAXI. Our job here is to make the person next to you understand. Not fully, not completely, not from your perspective even, that America depends on your vote. The battle cry of liberty can not be found within repulicans or democrats or nader. The sound is in your chest and hopefully your throat.
PS Kerry is in my heart. And I can't imagine breathing easy until he's home.
Bionic: You nailed it. With your explanation, as well as your "URL".
Hey Atrios - has it occurred to you that maybe you should just get out of the apartment for a night? Really, man, the cats will be okay. Live a little.
And to the rest of you - why do you give creedance to a pathetic blogger who never leaves his cat-filled apartment??? How is such a recluse expected to have complex views worthy of discussion? Give it some thought.
How is such a recluse expected to have complex views worthy of discussion?
I never wandered far from home either. And I didn't even have a cat. And now I live in my parents attic. Shit.
re Goths etc... weirdest thing I've seen lately was the car owned and driven by the gothiest pagan girl I've ever met - had all kinds of witchy bumperstickers AND a Bush/Cheney '04 sticker.
I tried to point out to her that a pagan voting for Bush is kind of like a Jew joining the Nazi party, but alas...
A few thoughts:
1.) Teresa Heinz Kerry is my favorite first-lady-to-be ever. Sharper than any of the other tools, tough, all the good things. I'm very excited to see that much talent in the White House.
2.) Rapping is a difficult art form. I've been writing poetry for years but cannont, for the life of me, come up with halfway decent rhymes. As other posters have pointed out, in hip-hop it's perfectly acceptable to double or triple your voice. It's quite a feat to be able to perfectly nail the rhythm of a good rhyme. For instance, here's a little something from KRS-One:
you you can't can't/
be be rippin' the mic/
the mic like do rae mi/
mi mi measles are contagious/
like my lyrical pages/
rippin and flippin the mic
He does that at about 95 bpm with the last lyric falling on the downbeat of the ninth beat. It's technically a difficult rhyme to pull off because of the speed, getting the meter right, etc. To do it, you have to memorize how it sounds and essentially repeat it without thinking about it. If Em were to do "Mosh" the way he's practiced it hundreds of times, he'd blow right through the f-bombs and all the other stuff he can't say on television. Needless to say, it's a rare talent indeed for someone to come up with a.) their own "flow", or combination of cadence and lyrics that defines a style, and b.) improvise new lyrics and rhyme schemes on the fly.
3.) Politically, music heads are all different stripes. Most of my friends walk in a number of different circles -- we go to hip-hop shows, raves, classical music concerts, rock concerts, goth clubs, mod clubs, whatever. Some of these guys are Republicans, some are Democrats, but most would describe themselves as independent. Within each style of music, there are different periods when politics played a greater or lesser role. Hip-hop of the early to mid 90's tended to be more politically charged than hip-hop today. Similarly, alot of 80's pop music had political messages, along with the punk of the time. In the 1970's, funk music got more political than it was at its inception. Rock is all over the map, with the political bent depending more on the artist than anything (especially these days). To me, there are some correlations between musical tastes and politics, but they're shifting all the time and highly subjective.
4.) I've gladly not owned a television for years now (too much good music out there...) and thus have been spared the crappiness of current t.v. I do like the Daily Show clips I see on the internet, though.
A senior GOP strategist added, "anything that makes people nervous about their personal safety helps Bush."
It's not the Bush Doctrine. It's the Tarkin Doctrine. "Fear will keep the systems in line."
meme:
just to be clear, the "Stupid People Love Bush" story is satire by Will Durst. See the original story here.
Though I would be very interested to see a study like this.
Bionic:
Nope, sorry - don't get it, but I'm interested.
Care to elaborate?
Eminem is doing the anti-Bush thing to regain credibility since the underground scene has passed him by, along with most of the crap that gets thrown on MTV's top 10. The guy has no political or social bearings, beyond following popular trends, making money, and being "hard". Same with Puffy.
I tend to agree that the "beating THK" idea was intended (somewhat) to satirize the business of the State Dept. being in charge of the translation, and (more) to suggest to people who might have "agreed" with Osama about THK that, uh, they're agreeing with a mass murderer, and is THK really *so* bad that you have to go there? et cetera. (BTW: I love THK, can't wait for her as 1st lady and hope she gives everyone hell for 4 years straight.) Someone's points above re Michael O'Donoghue and the role of tastelessness in the original SNL make a lot of sense here.
That said, I'll be the first to agree that that sketch was uneven at best, was not executed in a way that made it easy to figure out what was going on, and was a good example of the lack of adeptness SNL brings to political humor right now -- which is itself just a part of how SNL is shitty and/or (more typically) mediocre far more than funny these days.
I think part of that *does* come from the writers being kept on a short leash by their corporate overlords -- Tina Fey clearly *wants* to cut loose on politics more than she's allowed to, you can tell by the way she slips little things in here and there. (And personally, I thought the throwaway sketch at the end about choosing the colors for the electoral map was fantastic.) But the big problem w/SNL IMO is Lorne Michaels, who has let himself become his own cushy institution, and has fostered a culture of half-assed-ness and phoning it in. Too many writers and performers have been brought in who actually *want* to do the endlessly recurring characters, sketches about other TV shows, to pander to their idea of what "the kids" want, and make their extended audition tapes (as someone else noted above). (Even Fey suffers from all of this somewhat as well, I think.) Either one of these problems alone would be bad, but the combination can be pretty deadly much of the time.
One of the things that bothers me about the whole business with Conan getting the Tonight Show in 2009 is that it scotched my hope that he could have taken over SNL when Lorne retires in 2005, as has been rumored. (or run over by a truck, or whatever.) Conan's show can be pretty juvenile, but at least they try out a lot of different stuff, and they have a good sense of the absurd. Paired with good political humor writers and a willingness to book some decent musical performers, that could have made SNL again worth watching consistently. But fear of seeming to emulate The Daily Show, GE string pulling, and careerism over edginess will unfortunately probably continue unchecked. Oh well.
you actually watch SNL?
The local PAX station is airing a film by the SBVT assholes 4 times this weekend in Cleveland. It claims "the truth" will shock you" about what really happened on Kerry's boat.
you actually watch SNL? // Pinky Tinkleton // 10.31.04 - 3:51 am
If I have something else to do, no. But if I'm at home on Saturday night, I'll usually turn it on while I type things up or read this blog or whatever. There are occasional bright spots, and I'm sociologically interested in the kinds of issues I described above.
This evening, I mainly wanted to see what Eminem would do.
you actually watch SNL? // Pinky Tinkleton // 10.31.04 - 3:51 am
If I have something else to do, no. But if I'm at home on Saturday night, I'll usually turn it on while I type things up or read this blog or whatever. There are occasional bright spots, and I'm sociologically interested in the kinds of issues I described above.
This evening, I mainly wanted to see what Eminem would do.
Ooops, sorry about that.
SNL started going down hill about the same time MTV lost all of it's edge, 1989. That's also the year George HW Bush was innaugurated.
Re: THK
I have two grand-daughters, both of whom were born in the past few months. When they are 5, 6, 7 years old, I would like nothing more than for THK to be a role model for them as First Lady.
And by the way, I can tell you precisely when SNL stopped being funny.
It was the weekend after I stopped smoking dope.
Saturday Night Live? Isn't that NBC's vehicle targeting Nexium users?
arachnae 3:14- she is praying for the apocalype too. She'll feast on the blood of the ones left after rapture and their unborn... she is voting for Bushageddon. Barb looks like a Goth to me. Pasty face, pursed lips, and a warped sense of importance.
The McCain-Col Kurtz toon was a mindfuck. Unfortunately it is with a neocon penis, as per "Ehhh Rich , can you get this monkey's dick outta my ear? It feels like a wet cue-tip..." (turkee donations at door, you too Mr.Cheney since you were part of Nixon's crew). Let Rich have a hit off the crack pipe form dad or notJenna too since it is the only thing to help ease his pain in lieu of stem cell progress and its hindered pace...
The Kerry as 'an RNC talking point' and Clinton as 'kewl dude' skit was kinda flat. Hard to have a boring skit build up to "are you with secret service?" Hey SNL, I got yer service... 
Em was lyp synched because the corporate types fear him on live mic. So he went over the top and made the point. Hell he wore his contract endorsed gear and sang his tunes- NO SKITS WITH HIM? WTF? The NBC cams showed nothing of mix man's setup either, and Em didnt play to the cam off the start. Em didnt wear the black hood over his head like Abu Gharib so he lost presentation points. Content over style - the lyrics and getting the song out is part of the deal.
The big fat white guy- the poor man's Farley... trying to slap Eninem's posture as a white rapper perhaps. It failed to rile the guy- plug a song when it is election time instead of expanding the base over time... so corporate of him.
Winslutt was soooo cute, sang and danced, eninem's next song should be about her sucking off song producers backstage trying to get on his label. Not a single Titanic skit when it's all she' ever done, Leo is a Kerry supporter, and the country looks like 'mr. steady course' is sinking things... SNL fumbles as usual.
Hell not even a Gilligan's Island pardoy of the movie... I used to sing "a three hour tour..." on my third trip to the movies to see it.
Some of those skits were so damned bad the jokes lost me, not worth waiting for.
Their characters stay long enough to do a movie. They ran Will out over not being PC for Bush. Bunch of goons in the audience now.
Hell save us the trouble, just put up shower curtains with ducks on them and get the intern list from CNN's New York offices to perform their PNAC party requirements. They are fucking America dry, dry canned laughter and jokes about everyone except them is par for the course to this point.
Now watch this drive....
Has there even been a "no WMD" or golf course veterans for Bush parody yet?
When the market Crashes hopefully NBC's staff jump out the windows too.
Todays Frank Rich column probably his worst ever and I couldn't force myself to read Friedman.
Sorry , was not trying to break haloscan.
As for the beating THK joke. Remember they are pandering for the faux crowd.
"ALL your base belong to OURS!"
Because we have boxing Annthrax vs. Franken ad here. Clever reverse irony ploy.
As for the NBC Anthrax- hell yeah they took the hint.
"Just a comment on THK (like anyone is reading this many comments): people don't like some aspects of her personality..."
Yeah, there are a handful of people in those 'people' who would UNDERSTAND THK in the first place. This is a cultured woman of considerable education who speaks five or six languages.
This is a return to worthy First Ladies.
Bitch and moan AFTER you have the equivalent education and cultural knowledge. Her qualifications are going to be CRUCIAL for healing the international wounds Bush has inflicted.
I had an uncle who was an ambassador. Once there was a considerable crisis, and everyone was angry. He was able to speak the native language, and when he did, people relaxed. That's the kind of skill that saves the day.
So STFU.
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Exactly Paul. THK is going to be a terrific advocate for our Nation abroad.
Apologies to Hillary, but Theresa is the most exotic First lady since Jackie O. She can match knowledge and wits with Hillary or even more so as well.
Fuck this PC bullshit. The OBL skit was funny. I bet you all would've laughed if the "punch" line involved beating the crap out of Nader.
That said, the rest of the show sucked, Tina Fey should be fired, and Eminem needs to learn the lyrics to his own songs.
SLIME TIME. Hey, does this count as an October Suprise? I remember someone posted that this might happen eariler and here it is.
Is Scaife behind this?
http://www.local6.com/news/38758...819/
detail.html
Here's the article
I just spotted this article on FARK. Hey, does this count as an October Surprise? I remember someone posted that this might happen earlier and here it is.
Is Scaife behind this?
http://www.local6.com/news/38758...819/
detail.html
Judge Orders Heinz Lawsuit Records Unsealed; Family Challenges
POSTED: 11:59 pm EDT October 29, 2004
NORRISTOWN, Pa. -- A judge on Friday ordered the unsealing of court records in a 1994 lawsuit by Teresa Heinz Kerry and her sons in the airplane crash that killed her first husband, U.S. Sen. H. John Heinz III.
The judge ruled that nearly all documents related to the case should be made public by Monday. Some records involving confidential materials, probably including details of the multimillionaire ketchup heir's holdings, would remain sealed.
Attorneys for the Heinz family and estate appealed, and the state Supreme Court granted Heinz Kerry's attorneys a stay that would keep the file closed until the court can review their appeal, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported.
Philadelphia Newspapers Inc., publisher of The Philadelphia Inquirer and the Daily News, petitioned to have the records unsealed, arguing that Heinz Kerry could become first lady and the records might contain information in which the public might have an interest.
Heinz, 52, and six others, including two children playing in a Montgomery County schoolyard below, were killed when a helicopter collided with an airplane carrying the senator in 1991. Teresa Heinz Kerry and her three sons filed the wrongful death lawsuit in 1994. In 1995, Heinz Kerry married Sen. John Kerry, now the Democratic nominee for president.
Montgomery County Court Judge Paul W. Tressler wrote that under Pennsylvania law, court records "shall be sealed only for extraordinary reasons."
The judge ruled that reasons given by Heinz family lawyers -- including the family's privacy, the family's reliance on the sealed record for the last eight years and the family's personal security -- did not rise to that level.
Mason Avrigian Jr., an attorney for the publishing company, praised the ruling as "thorough and accurate."
Afish:
Not the Sinclair station in my area (Richmond, VA). At least not according to the local listing that I just looked at. Was it aired unscheduled?
Eminem was lip-synching, but he does that at most of his shows. I don't know if it's laziness or what, because we know this guy could rap the fuck out of anybody if you unleash him. This time I suspect he wanted everyone to hear his words and didn't want to risk messing up the lines.
I don't think he was reading a teleprompter. The words would be scrolling by way too fast. Trust me, Eminem knows the words to this song. He wrote it. He always has his head down like that, especially on a set like SNL that doesn't have any fans around.
Glad to see he's wearing the black hoodie!
Dowd's column is pretty good today, for a change. It's on Wylie Coyote Bush and Road Runner Osama.
The SWIFT BOAT LIARS HAVE UNLEASHED A SNEAK ATTACK ON OHIO. 3 WEEKS OF LARGE, FULL COLOR BROCHURES AND NOW A LONG TV AD THE LAST FEW DAYS. TV STATIONS IN OHIO AND CLEVELAND ALSO APPEAR TO HAVE AIRED STOLEN HONOR UNSCHEDULED YESTERDAY.
TOLEDO AND CLEVELAND.
Jake,
That goes triple for those of us with slow dial-up. After being bitten so many times, I hesitate to wait forever for a linked page to load just to find out what "oy" or "check this out" refers to.
Yes, it was tasteless and not particularly funny. But, I think it does show that the tape, politically, probably was not a big deal--a wash as it were. Scary tapes from terrorists, orange alerts, etc., mean little to the American public any longer.
Mel Brooks: "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die."
So, get a friggin' grip, folks. Appreciate the importance of perspective. Our next first lady can deal, preferably by not giving a shit!
And by the way, I can tell you precisely when SNL stopped being funny.
It was the weekend after I stopped smoking dope.
roxtar
Now that was funny.
I'm as liberal as anyone, and I was I was laughing my ass off. Funny, funny shit.
Hey guys, how come Theresa Kerry is a "liability" but Lynn Cheney (aka:cruella) and Laura Bush (aka the stepford wife) are not? Hillary was and Mom (Barker) Bush was not? The right has little difficulty demonizing the left and espescially the the First Ladies. They make it seem that we are electing the Democratic First Ladies, because they are strong, butch etc, but the Republican First Ladies are quite and subdued. Do you think this is to play into the misogenists in the Red states? We should not even be talking about Theresa unless she becomes the First Lady.
Folks, after we win back the White House, lets win back the English language, and becomes the ones that frame the questions! As long as the right continues to frame the questions and the topic of discussions we will have a hard time winning back the nation.
The opening skit was totally not funny. Not even amusing. That's not pc, it's just SNL.
They picked on Kerry all night long. Was that to make up for the eminem rap?
It totally sucked.
poor gilda is looking down from a cloud, crying.
She should talk about her husband, not herself
Please go fuck yourself.
Thank you.
"Tough Crowd." has been shitcanned. Thank you God.
Yea, verily!!! Colon Quinn's just too much an asshole...
And by the way, I can tell you precisely when SNL stopped being funny.
It was the weekend after I stopped smoking dope.
roxtar
while that may be true for you, I never quit weed, and the show STILL hasn't been funny enough to watch all the way through for 15 years...
really
i offer this humbly-we should stop taking ourselves so seriously
not every skit has to be a vote getter or squeezed into a political message
the fat rapper skit sucked
also, colin quinn is a typical NY Republican: all mouth and atttitude and very few synapses actually firing.
I cringed when the opening skit went into Bin Laden taking after THK. I was chilled when the audience cheered and laughed at the wouldn't-stop-beating her line.
Made me remember when SNL made horribly cruel jokes about the then, what?, 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton.
I didn't watch SNL for about 6 or 7 years, then they had a spike, I thought, with their opening skits, but this year has seemed off, lame, not too funny.
Not worth the time--unless you record it and flit through the dreck.
I was pretty amazed at how the opening Kate Winslet schtick took after Ashley Simpson's faux pas last week, even gigging her for not being a dancer. Winslet was pretty good, but wasted, in the rapper skit. The McCain cartoon went on about 1/2 too long, and the Clinton as stage-hog is getting really old. Not much else stood out, 'tho' audience seemed rapt when Eminem rapped.
I need coffee for better puns.
yeah, but obviously some of you are missing the subtext. They introduced the OBL "clip" with the statement that the translation was supplied by the US State dept or Justice Dept, something like that, so that it was clear the Bushies were putting words in the mouth of OBL like "THK is batshit" and "There's not that much difference bet. the candidates (followed by a criticism of Kerry."
In fact, the whole "translation" of OBL sounded like nothing more than the underwhelming Slate endorsements or the lame excuses that an "undecided" American voter gives for not making their mind up.
That was the joke, and it was probably the funniest thing they did all night if you were in on the joke. If you missed the first few seconds of intro by tuning in late, yeah, it sounded like an anti-Kerry joke.
And by the way, Eminem was NOT LIP-SYNCING!!! It was an echo effect 2nd track. WHY WHY WHY would Eminem lip sync after they spent the whole opening monologue going after Ashlee for doing it? WHY WHY WHY would a rapper like Eminem who lives and dies by having "cred" be stupid enough to risk another "Ashlee" incident? Are you kidding me?
And anyway, it was the best part of the whole show, it MOSHED!
democratic partier - It's too late to register in most local/state elections, but it may not be too late to register against Bush.
Rhode Island's "2004 Voter information Handbook", (click the Homepage URL, then the Referenda Questions link) mentions Election Day registration. On page 38 of the pdf (34 of the hardcopy):
"Is it possible to register and vote on Election Day?
Yes, but you will not be able to vote in most elections. You may register to vote and vote on Election Day, but only at your local board of canvassers located in your city or town hall. You will be allowed to vote only for the offices of President and Vice President, not in state or local races."
Apparently, it's not too late to register to vote against Bush, only to register to vote in other races. Is this the case nation wide?
Parts were funny. I laughed at the opening skit. Guess that makes me a conservative, huh?
Eminem performed MOSH. Yeah, too much pressure from the top...
Take off the tinfoil, people.
The skit with Clinton and Kerry was clever and funny.
Much of the show, as usual, was just bad.
But SNL has ALWAYS been that way since the first season. Each new cast is decried as "a new low" but then a new group of 18-25 year olds identifies with it. Tat's just the way it is. Read "Live from New York"
Great book -puts the show in perspective over time.
i'm personally tired of the "just vote" angle. if 'mosh' is so anti-bu$h, why didn't his sign say: 'vote kerry'?
The whole point of the SNL bin laden "tapes" is to point out the humanity while pointing out the extreme political/cultural differences.
One classic bit-Will Ferrel's "bin laden" talking to the fat iman. He tells of Atta calling him and saying "I just told the boys the plan and they've got a few things to say to you..." That whole sketch hinged on the entirely human desire not to die...we end up understanding the motivations of these guys just a little more.
This latest sketch shows some of the cultural similarities between bin laden's wahabbis and bush's base-the joke about Teresa shows how little the bush base has just barely evolved past the woman beating phase, if indeed they have...I mean look at Trent Lott's comments at Strom Thurmond's birthday-look at the smear of McCain in 2000.
Yo' bobs!
U 2 olde ta matta! Da new kast id funne. We luv em good. dey da bom. yungens, lic me, luv Repubs cas da make us $. hoo need scolin wen da draft gonna mac us rich?
go bush! go ta war! get $!
ronja tel it lic it is
As much as I HATE feeding "trolls"...kenm...here is yet another man who is completely threated by a woman who dares to be intelligent, articulate, unafraid of having and expressing her own opinions, and (worst of all) WEALTHY but not contributing to the Repugs (anymore)! Back to your Stepford wife...or your plastic doll (oops, same thing) And, I agree not only was the skit NOT funny (although I have seen little humor on the show for years when I watch) but disgusting to think it's funny to make fun of beating women...Yes, color me "sensitive" and "politically correct"!!!
Jokes about beatings in general are kind of unfunny by themselves. The bit from That's my Bush was funny because a) it was a Honeymooners parody, and b) none of the other characters reacted to it. Robert Smigel will always be funny. He's the only reason besides Weekend Update I ever watch. Tonight I watched for Eminem and I was not disappointed. It didn't particularly bother me if in fact he was lip-synching, because unlike Ashlee Simpson, he never came out and spoke publicly against the practice. Lacking talent and being a hypocrite - pretty powerful combo, Ms. Simpson.
I work in a female-dominated workplace, and it amazes me how many of my co-workers, typically the older ones, are always complaining about THK. They don't like HRC all too much either. But Laura Bush -- yabba dabba doo! Strong, independent woman = bitch. Even women still think in these terms.
BTW, I didn't see the opening SNL skit but reading the excerpts from it here, it seems pretty funny to me. Not funny because it refers to beating women? I'll have to run that one through my PC algorithm and see what comes out.
Who would think we'd nostalgically pine for 1978? SNL has long been dead.
Did it have the talentless Amy Poehler as Bin Laden? She's featured in every goddamn sketch. Lorne Micheals must be fucking her.
I did get a good laugh out of the OBL skit when he said he was paying particular attention to the issues in this election because "evidently I am now a registered voter in Cincinnati."
go to www.crooksandliars.com to see the SNL Osama clip. Monday night might be a better show because it'll be a history of political sketches
I did get a good laugh out of the OBL skit when he said he was paying particular attention to the issues in this election because "evidently I am now a registered voter in Cincinnati."
What is amazing to me is that SNL with a big budget, big writing staff and a whole week to prepare consistently falls flat in producing hardy yuck -yucks. On the other hand, The Daily Show is able to quickly turn on a recent story, and provide genuinely funny material with a small staff and low budget.
There is no comparison in the talent.
What is it with some people and Teresa?
Why can't some people deal with intelligent, capable, outspoken women like Teresa and Hillary?
I guess everyone is supposed to be like Laura - Stepford Wife #1.
This country is SO backwards on women's rights and it's getting worse.
Yo' bobs!
U 2 olde ta matta! Da new kast id funne. We luv em good. dey da bom. yungens, lic me, luv Repubs cas da make us $. hoo need scolin wen da draft gonna mac us rich?
go bush! go ta war! get $!
ronja tel it lic it is
HUH? What language is that?
i am offended by the word "punchline"
The SNL cast used to be called the Not-Ready-For-Prime-Time Players... nowadays, they're more like the More-Than-Ready-To-Shamelessly-Whore-
For-General-Electric Players.
Next weekend I may stay up late and watch SNL, and then again I may opt to do something equally stimulating and amusing like rolling around naked on rusty nails and broken glass... decisions, decisions.
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Don't you guys realize that Teresa Heinz Kerry is one of the biggest liabilities the Kerry campaign has? She's freaking ridiculous!
Hey, asshole - don't you realize that your attitude on women sucks out loud?
I think you'd be more at home on one of the Freeper boards.
Liability? Oh yeah - let's all go back to being barefoot, pregnant, and doing whatever our hubbies and daddies tell us.
After all, the fact that we were born without male genitalia makes us such unworthy, inferior creatures.
Dude - go fuck yourself!
As much as I HATE feeding "trolls"...kenm...here is yet another man who is completely threated by a woman who dares to be intelligent, articulate, unafraid of having and expressing her own opinions, and (worst of all) WEALTHY but not contributing to the Repugs (anymore)!
Amen - the 1950s are over. They're not coming back and assholes like ken m are NOT going to drag us back to those Dark Ages.
colin quinn is a typical NY Republican: all mouth and atttitude and very few synapses actually firing.
Colin Quinn gives Irish Americans a bad name. Total moron!
He comes off like a real-life Archie Bunker.
White trash with money!
who the hell watches this show anymore anyway? Its as relevant as Condi Rices qualifications to be Nat. Security Advisor.
It saturday night, get out of the house for Gods sake!!!!
Although Colin Quinn can occasionaly be funny, an Irish-American buddy of mine from Brooklyn said about him, "hes one of these people when I go out to bars I cant stand to listen to because everything they get is from then NY Post"
What struck me at first glance about the OBL skit was that OBL seemed to be reduced to that of a pundit. I could easily (gag) envision Robert Novack in OBL's place using the same goobledy-gook phases to influence Americans.
Then I realized that SNL was depicting OBL as a charachture and not that of a menace or murderer and people were laughing at him. I don't remember there ever having been a "comedy" skit after an OBL tape before this.
When it was all over, my thought was that, "this wasn't good for the Bush team." This "little gift" that the Bush team hoped would scare the shit out of people and push them to the polls to vote for him, was just lampooned and defanged.
i'm personally tired of the "just vote" angle. if 'mosh' is so anti-bu$h, why didn't his sign say: 'vote kerry'?
Does it need to be said?
PAX is cooperating with NEWSMAX to air an edited "Stolen Honor" as infomercials - occasionally they will overlay a message to call 1-800-NEWSMAX to order the video.
This slime 30 minute attack ad may have a minor impact in fundy households.
I had suggested in previous comments on Atrios and on Kos to call 1-800-NEWSMAX on their dime and the local PAX stations and remind them about bearing false witness.
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I liked the Osama skit, but when he made the remarks about TK, I was not amused. I waited for same type remarks about Laura or the twins, but nope. That is totally unfair and uncool. He could have made some comments about the twins drinking or Laura teaching george to read... I do think they bashed Dems more than the Reps in that skit. He made a comment about the Dems signing him up for voter registration in Ohio, too.
But SNL has ALWAYS been that way since the first season. Each new cast is decried as "a new low" but then a new group of 18-25 year olds identifies with it. Tat's just the way it is. Read "Live from New York"
Hear, hear. Perhaps much younger than many on the board (don't remember the "good old days" as they've been described here), but I, for one, can watch SNL all the way through without hurling. To each his own.
Tina Fay on Bill O'Reilly was pretty funny, though
Richard Cohen and Molly Ivins in this morning's papers... mmmmmmm
If you live in NYC and you're underwhelmed by SNL, you might check out 'Saturday Night Rewritten"- it's a troupe that takes each week's SNL show, spends all day Sunday rewriting it so it's, uh, actually funny, then performs it live on stage Sunday night.
Holy cow guys, lighten up.
The Osama-Theresa quip was funny, not because it was anti-Heinz, but because it highlighted the sheer lunacy of the most powerful country on earth having to deal with a lunatic whose thinking shows all the enlightenment of a 15th-century bigot.
It's this kind of knee-jerk PC reaction by the left that views this as "wife-beating is funny?" that leaves many believing, apparently deservedly, that the Left has lost its sense of humor.
It's astounding that so many bother to post about SNL, while admitting they don't watch SNL!
Tina Fey is the head writer at SNL and she is blatantly anti-Bush, as anyone who has watched her "newscasts" could plainly observe.
And while there is no underestimating the damage done to Al Gore following the last debates when SNL regurgitated Gores *sighs" and "lockbox" vernacular incessantly, there is also no denying the damage done to Bush by SNL's merciless teasing of Bush's pitiful debate performances.
I can tell you, when my nieces and their girlfriends are over, and all of them are doing impressions, "...it's hard...it's hard work...may have to work weekends...want some wood *snicker**snicker"...not because they watched the debates but because they have seen Will Forte's hilarious impression of Bush on SNL, you realize fairly fast what the influence of SNL has been on the election cycle this season, and it certainly doesn't reveal a new conservative pro-Bush writing staff.
The people who saw nothing wrong with "jokes" about beating women probably wet their pant when they hear rape "jokes."
Like I said, this country is backwards as any Arab country on women's rights and it's getting worse every year.
I wonder sometimes if I imagined the late 1960s and early 1970s.
OBL said something about attacking Sweden Hey, in those Scandanavian countries, women are actually treated as equals.
It's this kind of knee-jerk PC reaction by the left that views this as "wife-beating is funny?" that leaves many believing, apparently deservedly, that the Left has lost its sense of humor.
Hey, maybe SOME things are JUST NOT FUNNY!
SNL hasn't funny in years.
Hey Pol,
Thanks for the info on Laura Bush's nicotine habit.
Did it have the talentless Amy Poehler as Bin Laden? She's featured in every goddamn sketch. Lorne Micheals must be fucking her.
pablo - 11:43 am |
Actually, I think Tina Fey is the one fucking Amy.
Saturday Night Live, like the Weathermen, suffers from a lack of humor and sense and from disgusting misconceptions of "the people." "The people" are not capable of comprehending more than one joke at a time, so they must limit all sketches to really just one joke. This one joke is then repeated and maybe slightly varied for fivce minutes, and this five minutes of the same god damn thing is mislabeled a sketch.
They have not been funny for more than TEN YEARS now. They have been consistently the same kind of awful for the same ten years. The Jimmy Fallon period hath replaced all memory of Belushi. Fuck them. You're an idiot for tuning in. It's like complaining about the reliability of the NYT, when the first thing you learn in learning about media is what careless liars the people at the NYT are.
Guys, a few facts:
One, Tina Fey is the head writer, and she is most definitely a pissed-off liberal who doesn't believe in taking crap from the right-wing, especially assholes like Bill O'Reilly. She has creative control over the show, no one else.
Two, anyone who thinks that SNL leans to the right is smoking the worst kind of crack, because the fucking show is produced in NEW YORK.
Three, Palmer has no sense of humor whatsoever, so fuck off Woodrow, and save the snarky humor for your boyfriend, you bitchy little priss.
Four, I thought the bin Laden bit was funny, and if you didn't, you need to lighten up, and realize that they are parodying bin Laden himself, Middle Eastern Culture, specifically that whole business about women being chattel, and the whole stupid idea that bin Laden wants Kerry to win.
Five, I am a liberal, not a troll, so save your breath.
Lastly, I'm also a former Marine, so I don't take crap from anyone who wants to try and label me.
Guys, a few opinions presented as facts:
Lastly, I'm also a former Marine, so I don't take crap from anyone who wants to try and label me.
Trust us, if we don't already prove it to you: former and current marines can be pretty fucking light up while leaning against a truck full of explosives stupid. Kind of a double-edged credibilty sword.
One, Tina Fey is the head writer, and...She has creative control over the show, no one else.
Thus the rightist leanings, passive rightist tolerances, and utter lack of humor are indeed her fault. Creative control would be another double-edge thing.
[must be liberal] because the fucking show is produced in NEW YORK [and you know what they're like.]
New York is one of the few places in America you can hear Jews screaming at the top of their lungs in Nazi language about birthright, Nation, will and the schwartzes...and then walk a block away and hear a black man (claiming to be an Israelite--a real one, you see, the Jews are apparently faking it, for the chicks) echo him back. New York is all about the sociopathic don't care attiude that defines conservatives. New York is far, far to the right of the country itself. Howard Stern probably examplifies this kind of nominal rightishness without commiting to calling oneself a Republican: free speech for potty talk but not real political discussion, first amendment crying when he himself needs it, ultra right wing death penalty vengeance nut imperial-isolationist the rest of the time.
(Point Three, we got nothin'.)
(Point Four is about the sketch, which sounds marginally better than Mad TV sketches about Ay-rabs bein' smelly and hairy, yah-hoo, without being funny.)
Five, I am a liberal, not a troll, so save your breath.
Yes, but, buddy, you're wrong. You can be wrong without being a troll, a troll is deliberately and consistently wrong. Though if you weren't a total troll you'd have claimed to be a leftist (kidding).
As usual, opening skit, cartoon, and news were the only funny parts. I would like to see one SNL, just ONE fucking SNL, when they don't use the overworn "talk show" vehicle.
How can anyone say Osama skit not funny? He just doesn't know much about the candidates cause he only gets his information from Michael Moore, "and you know you can't trust half what he says"? Geez, come on fellow liberals, lighten up. And what a great send up about the failure to discuss the issues, "Like stem cell research. Because you know human life is very important to me."
And the bit about beating Theresa was a great jab at conservatives, acknowledging that that's about all they do is bash THK anymore.
Oh yeah, and the thing about the dems registering Osama to vote in Ohio was another subtle dig at the lunacy of the conservatives who scream voter fraud when they discover somebody registered "mickey mouse" to vote. As if Mickey, or Osama, is actually going to show up and cast a ballot.
Speaking of which, that could make a good SNL skit. A guy in a mickey costume shows up at the polls, triggering a challenge by republican poll watchers.
This is from last year -- I wonder if Tina Fey got a "visit" after this revelation (emphasis mine, full article linked in URL):
Fey told me that she has been systematically imagining—and rehearsing—a knockdown fight with terrorists. She entered a course of psychodrama, a form of therapy that uses acting techniques to banish sadness, anger, and fear. In sessions, she said, she faces down imaginary terrorists, sometimes represented by chairs. She also punches a pillow that stands in for President Bush.
Actually, I don't think she's eased up on Bush as much as the man has just become fucking tedious to mock. He really disappeared for long stretches, not giving the public much to mock between "Axis of Evil" and the carrier landing (though, to be honest, SNL botched covering that one).
BTW, ide is right: the biggest impairment to SNL being consistent nowadays in Lorne Michaels. He really doesn't have a clue anymore, has developed a tin ear where Funny is concerned and has been making some of the most baffling, wrong-headed decisions as can be believed (who he hires to write, sketches that get cut from dress rehearsal).
To the point that politics drove Will Ferrell away, I don't think that's the case. Apparently he had contemplated leaving a full year before he did, at the end of his original contract (the performers sign contracts for six years, or at least they did then). The real reason is probably that movies beckoned, and Lorne could no longer have afforded him.
Eminem reading a prompter? One of the three dress rehearsals I have attended was the last time he was musical guest, and I saw no prompter. (The cast also don't use prompters, but rather rely on cue cards.)
Yes, cast members can be belived: sketches are cut from dress rehearsal to the live show -- often about half as many as make it on the live show -- and they'll often make major changes to sketches that make it in that hour gap. Seems now, though, that they haven't taken to making revisions so much as they're now just lopping the ending off of sketches due to time contraints (it seems a lot of decisions are based on what sketches will fit into the live show rather than based on how they're taken by the dress rehearsal audience). Also, if sketches are cut, they may keep trying for years to get them on air (ie. apparently Horatio Sanz has been trying to get the fat-rapper-with-a-talk-show sketch -- the hoary talk show format seemingly the only type of sketch he can do or wants to do -- on the live show since he started on the show. In 1998. Oi...).
It really sucked.
It's astounding that so many bother to post about SNL, while admitting they don't watch SNL!
What I find to be interesting is that so many people here are claiming that the show hasn't been funny for 30 years. How would they come up with that assessment unless they have been watching it every week? And if they are watching it, and they hate it, does that mean that they are stupid? Do they think they're going to get some kind of Martyr's Merit Badge? The worst are the boring, pretentious people who feel the need to remind us, over and over again, that they don't watch tv. Spare me.
BECAUSE IF IT WERE FUNNY, THEN PEOPLE WOULD WATCH THE GODDAMN SHOW, DUMBASS. Instead, no one's watched that show in years. Like the rest of the media, it's a tool for the god-believing conservatives who are about to lose big time on Tuesday.
Congratulations, PRICK. My point went right over your teeny, tiny pinhead, so I'll say it again: How do you know if something is funny or not if YOU DON'T WATCH IT?
Sucks to be you, don't it.
WE WOULD WATCH PHIL HARTMAN DO ANYTHING
WE WATCHED ENOUGH JIMMY FALLON TO THROW UP
(WHICH WAS NOT THAT MUCH)
WE NEVER CLAIMED THESE EXTREMES OF NEVER WATCHING ANY TV (which, by the way, is a typical troll trick, turn things into these laughably distorted extremes. You don't need to watch a show that is in the exact same rut, for decades at a time, every single night to know what it'll be like. In fact, the way SNL sketches have always been written, you don't need to watch the whole sketch to know what'll happen. Do you think maybe that Mango will bewitch someone or that the guy by the copier might make fun of names the same way he always does or that Pat's gender will prove a source of consternation?)
Terry C's "Hey, maybe SOME things are JUST NOT FUNNY!" regarding my observation that perhaps the Left HAS lost its sense of humour:
The skit was NOT about Theresa...it was NOT an advocacy piece regarding wife beating...
It was about the lunacy of an Islamic fundamentalist movement that is stuck in the Middle Ages. Sheesh! If he had talked about beating his camel, some of you big thinkers would be notifying PETA rather than getting the bigger picture.
Christ almighty, I would expect this sort of ignorance and small-minded vision in a conservative thread, but some of the comments hear remind me of an e-mail forwarded to me by a wingnut explaining the flu vaccine shortage was caused by one of John Edwards'lawsuits.
Here's a fact, folks...SNL's ratings have consistently been higher over the past five years than they were over the previous 15 years, so for all you morons stating no one watches it anymore, you're sounding more like dittoheads than folks able to differentiate between their own opinions and reality.
This thread is scary. It's as if four years of Bush hasn't just dumbed down his own followers.
Whatever happened to Jan Hook?
That bitch was funny.
Fuck ratings, fuck people being paid by lorne michaels to claim it's funny: we have watched it, tuned in deliberately and come across it accidentally while studying late, and IT HASN'T BEEN FUNNY SINCE PHIL. In fact Phil was kind of propping it up, even then. It's not funny, it wasn't funny and it won't improve any time soon.
we are people for repeatedly running jimmy fallon, et al, over with a steamroller and destroying every evidence that he ever existed, and we approved this message.
who is number one?
you are, number six...
Didn't see the sketch, haven't watched SNL in twenty years or more, and don't miss it, either.
The 'little gift' thing confuses me, since it seems that Bush promised to rid the world of OBL three years ago, and up jumps the devil, thumbing his nose at Bush a week before we're supposed to shake and quake and re-elect the chickenhawk pissant?
I just don't get it.
I just don't get it.
Thinking people aren't supposed to get it.
It's a gift because it will keep Caligula's fear-motivated base in line.
Ok I didn't see SNL this week. I live on the West Coast where it starts at 11:30pm. I was interested in seeing if MM sang Mosh but thought I would have to watch to much unfunny shit skits to make it worth while.
The only reason I ever stay up to watch this show is to see Tina Fey.
Some one please give Tina her own show and put SNL out to pasture.
Eminem is singing MOSH at this very moment.
I watched that much of the show.
That wasn't "singing".
And the "song" sucked... I can't believe you people all got so hyped up over an opportunistic rap... Eminem has become the Toby Keith of rap.
Fuck the little punk-assed bitch.
Cheney (answering the door dressed as OBL): Hey, kids, I'm a fucking Islamic terrorist, and you're all gonna fucking die!
Heh.
I varied from my "Jenna Bush's Diseased Liver" costume. I pulled off the white diseased spots after about 20 people didn't get it, even after I explained it to them.
Without the white spots and wearing only the newspaper-stuffed black leaf bag, I was...
Dick Cheney's Heart! Booyah!
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There was an SNL skit at the Dem convention?
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