I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
jeevan
Be this first?
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Just a question: Would you be less worried for the missing 3 if only the US hadn't established the precedent that it's ok to disappear people, hold them indefinitely, torture them but-not-to-the-point-of-organ-failure, etc?
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Jeevan, Indeed.
Impossible to win this conflict. Sunni fighters are pouring in from all over the region. It's OVER.
Atrios claims first, a first.
Reposting while Atrios gets more espresso
an efficient scare vehicle, although it's unencumbered by likeable (or even interesting) characters.
steve simels
"28 Days Latrer" was never intended as a horror movie, even though it was marketed as such. And I thought that the characters were well done for it's genre, they are best with some audience ambiguity.
oh, besides tap, tap
is this thing on!
Is this double comment link thing like when the transporter malfunctioned in Star Trek and made two of everyone?
Would this be the wimpy thread or the macho one?
Unable to save comment (key failed)
Is this a new feature?
Jeevan told me he would fix haloscan if you agreed to let us have the :rocket: back.
Nah, he pelosied the other night.
Wonder what air blows thru the haid of the melodiously-voiced Alex Witt this morning?
Ok, going now. Later!
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Where's the link?
O jeeeeeeeeeevan!
We need a Jeevan bat signal.
Can anyone tell me why it is that American soldiers don't all carry locating devices? That would vastly simplify things wouldn't it? I mean aside from leaving Iraq entirely.
Let's Do The Time Warp Agai-ain!
Interesting! The organic beekeepers are saying they are not having problems with colony collapse. Why that is not happening is a great question. Something that the organic beekeepers are doing or not doing, but what?
http://www.informationliberation...ex.php?
id=21912
Doug, | 05.12.07 - 10:09 am | #
Iraq is and always has been a monster movie. It's Chimpy's Frankenstein.
Because Others could locate them, too?
It is a blessing that we have our tenuous hold over the process here. With so many Congressional GOPers ready to hold Congress accountable, we are assured to begin redeployment by fall.
This Bush surge is now being successfully termed an escaltion by Congressional DEMs.
The software is revolting.
The software is revolting.
You're telling me. It stinks on ice!
Now i"m really leaving.
It soitenly is!
Because Others could locate them, too?
plantsman, plant geek | 05.12.07 - 10:12 am | #
that's possibly true, but one would think that the US military might be able to come up with a secure method...or one that is only activated in emergency conditions.
Why is Nancy Peolosi playing along with this:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...5/10/102451/
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i don't get the comment link thing
Something that the organic beekeepers are doing or not doing, but what?
Doug,
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they are not allowing the toxic mix of corportate-based science to dictate pratice and method fer "best results"
Greed has never looked so dangerous.
i don't get the comment link thing
upyernoz | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:15 am | #
no one does. Butterbar has retired to spend more time with its family.
What are these guys patroling for, just to show the face of American flypaper?
By the way, a lot of people have (rightfully) maligned the DLC in the lefty/progressive blogosphere.
Has anyone stopped to consider that the election of Hillary Clinton as President increases the likelihood that the DLC will strengthen its power in and perhaps even ascend to a once-again dominant position within Democratic Party politics?
Can anyone tell me why it is that American soldiers don't all carry locating devices?
Like lojack?
Maybe it's too expensive, and hardly any U.S. soldiers actually go missing. Or it's not exact enough?
Where we are there? We are doomed !
Can anyone tell me why it is that American soldiers don't all carry locating devices?
So the enemy doesn't follow them home?
the likelihood that the DLC will strengthen its power
*'
If a Peolsi is in on a secret free trade deal with the WH, where has the DLC lost any power?
Biography of Dale Earnhardt's widow turns to family friends for interviews.
First up: Brian Williams.
"She's like any other CEO... CEOs can't let sentimentality get in the way..."
Al, there's a few flaws in your system. Since you began concentrating on global warming, the Innertubes have gone to hell.
Can anyone tell me why it is that American soldiers don't all carry locating devices
Well, when you get captured, your captors have a tendency to strip you of your equipment so what would be the point?
Sniff Sniff.
I smell concern troll.
Has anyone mentioned bear penises yet?
Thought experiment: If this site had been around during WWII with daily reminders of hundreds of US forces dying, would you have wanted that to stop the war? IF so, we'd be speaking German and Japanese. I guess you'd be happy.
Biography of Dale Earnhardt's widow turns to family friends for interviews.
gag me with a fucking ladle.
Has anyone stopped to consider that the election of Hillary Clinton as President increases the likelihood that the DLC will strengthen its power in and perhaps even ascend to a once-again dominant position within Democratic Party politics?
SpermDonor | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:19 am | #
Yes.
One of a gazillion reasons why That Woman has no business being anywhere near the presidency.
i have the stupidest fucking trolls on the internets
So the enemy doesn't follow them home?
Litz, bamboo alarmist
Not to worry, no plans for them to come home.
The Washington Post editorializes in favor of free trade again today.
I may not be an economist, but I do enjoy feeding wheat gluten to my pets that don't have poison in them, so I do have some concerns.
News you might have missed:
The cultural significance of NASCAR's decline
Media Conspiracy Alert! Nancy Pelosi has yet to take up her gavel, but the cultural commissars are already retuning their political biases. How else to explain the rash of recent stories suggesting that NASCAR, the biggest story in American sports for more than a decade, is in trouble?
By "rash" I mean exactly two; a detailed feature last week in USA Today warning of declining TV ratings and stubbornly unsold-out speedways, and a column by Selena Roberts in today's New York Times contending that NASCAR's head honcho, Brian France, might be in a bit of denial. But neither story makes the obvious political point. If NASCAR, overwhelmingly white and male both in drivers and in viewers, and deeply rooted in the Republican South, is suddenly hitting the wall, must this not reflect some greater cultural mood change?
If this site had been around during WWII with daily reminders of hundreds of US forces dying, would you have wanted that to stop the war?
Thought experiment: If these apples I have were oranges, would I have orange juice instead of apple juice?
Actually german/japanese is too hard for us to learn.
I think we would likely speak pig latin.
I am not a crank.
Not to worry, no plans for them to come home.
Not unless they're in coffins.
I am still shocked, amazed, appalled that Dick Morris' "they are there to get killed, so terrorists don't have to kill Americans here" comment got NO play in the MSM.
I mean, can you imagine if a Democrat had said that?
Americans were willing to accept greater losses of life in WWII and Vietnam for a while. That's changed. You haven't.
i have the stupidest fucking trolls on the internets
Atrios
Here's a horrifying thought: No, you don't. They're actually stupider trolls out there.
Thought experiment:
Non-thinking persons such as yourself cannot conduct such experiments. The rest of your post indicates why.
Clinton's man in California a pro at digging up dirt - Carla Marinucci, SF Chronicle Political Writer
Saturday, May 12, 2007
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has turned to Averell "Ace" Smith -- who earned his stripes as one of the nation's most feared political opposition researchers -- to steer her campaign in California.
Smith, 48, is genteel, soft-spoken and bespectacled -- but also is the epitome of a take-no-prisoners political operative who has built a reputation as a dogged researcher and, more recently, a winning California campaign manager, political allies and opponents agree.
"I've seen him walk into a room, and the opposition candidate will literally start mumbling," said former Democratic strategist Clint Reilly, who has run campaigns for U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein and former Democratic state Treasurer Kathleen Brown and has worked with Smith. "They're just totally terrified with his presence."
Smith, 48, surprised California political veterans by jumping from the role of top political researcher to the role of campaign manager during Antonio Villaraigosa's successful 2005 run for mayor of Los Angeles against then-incumbent James Hahn.
Villaraigosa credits Smith with making the "biggest difference" in the campaign's message in what became a landslide victory.
"He's single-minded in his focus, intensely disciplined and loyal," Villaraigosa said of Smith, who remains a trusted adviser. "He loves politics and thrives in the heat of battle ... (and) has an incredible intensity level. He comes to play the game, and he works from the first minute to the last."
Villaraigosa's victory was followed up by another for Smith when he oversaw Democrat Jerry Brown's successful campaign for state attorney general against Republican former state Sen. Chuck Poochigian in 2006.
"Ace is a huge addition and pickup for Hillary," says veteran Democratic strategist Chris Lehane, who has worked with Smith for years. "He's someone who knows how to win California, with a track record in different parts of the state, who understands the political fabric. ... If you're in a political campaign, you want Ace in the trenches with you."
meanwhile over here I guess since Dick Morris isn't availabe Hillary chose the next best thing for her cal campaign
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/
articl...MNGIMPQ12L1.DTL
Thought experiment: ignore shit for brains.
THERE ARE not they're ... cripes, what is wrong with my brain today? On a comment about stupidity, too.
I don't deserve to be here.
WWII was a fucking Democrat war.
Ahem.
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If a Peolsi is in on a secret free trade deal with the WH, where has the DLC lost any power?
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:21 am | #
You make a good point. But, with HRC, it will be even worse.
Plus, I can see the absurdity of HRC as President two years down the road: The Rethugs mount some baseless attack against her based upon some bullshit that they know polls well with the public, and the lefty blogosphere rallies around her to defend her . . . . even though her "traingulating" policies end up being so contra to those embraced by the lefty blogosphere.
The Clinton presidency redux.
Another question: If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
Japanese is such a useful language though. Remember, when China was taken over by Japan they made everybody learn Japanese, so now approximately 7 billion people speak Japanese. Rommel himself taught German to Egyptian day laborers during the Northern African campaign.
Those japanese and germans are so industrial, and great language teachers too!
Thought experiment: If this site had been around during WWII with daily reminders of hundreds of US forces dying, would you have wanted that to stop the war? IF so, we'd be speaking German and Japanese. I guess you'd be happy.
Texaschilibean
Do you really expect to get anywhere with that tired comparison? Really, all it shows is what a moron you are.
ooops GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
I owe you
I think Carla Marinucci is an idiot
and a very laxzy reporter
... is genteel, soft-spoken and bespectacled -- but also is the epitome of a take-no-prisoners political operative who has built a reputation as a dogged researcher ...
That sounds a lot like Karl Rove.
Oh, we loves us some thought experiments.
Danke and shaji!!
There is only man who can save us now.
Can anyone tell me why it is that American soldiers don't all carry locating devices?
that was exactly my thought when i read this earlier. but then i remember who is in charge of this clusterfuck --i'm sure the contract proposal wasn't lucrative enough...
If this site had been around during WWII with daily reminders of hundreds of US forces dying, would you have wanted that to stop the war?
We had the oceans to protect us then.
Siegfried Sassoon.
==
Dreamers
Soldiers are citizens of death's gray land,
Drawing no dividend from time's to-morrows.
In the great hour of destiny they stand,
Each with his feuds, and jealousies, and sorrows.
Soldiers are sworn to action; they must win
Some flaming, fatal climax with their lives.
Soldiers are dreamers; when the guns begin
They think of firelit homes, clean beds, and wives.
I see them in foul dug-outs, gnawed by rats,
And in the ruined trenches, lashed with rain,
Dreaming of things they did with balls and bats,
And mocked by hopeless longing to regain
Bank-holidays, and picture shows, and spats,
And going to the office in the train.
=====
Librarian
Thought experiment:
See, you fucked up right there. You tried to think.
Leave that to the experts, dickweed.
only one man, that is.
WWII was a fucking Democrat war.
Funny the folks who like to trot at the last and possibly only "feel good" war this country ever had forget who was in charge ....
Another question: If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman,
We've talked about this over and over - no one knows. You can't define victory or defeat when you don't have a goal and there is no goal.
We've blasted through every goal they've set and they just make another one. There is no such thing as victory in this situation.
IF so, we'd be speaking German and Japanese. I guess you'd be happy.
Texaschilibean
You gotta be kidding.
Seriously -- are you a moron or just a disingenuous dickhead?
Could you clear that up for us?
Thanks!
You ask for a comment? What am I supposed to say?
This war is a fucking disaster?
It was promulgated on lies?
Every soldier that dies is a condemnation of the lies?
We have forfeited (as a nation) whatever moral authority we ever earned?
These soldiers have been ill-used by a malignant government that cares little for them or their families?
That their deaths will not mean one fucking thing to the people in charge except a minor public relations problem to be glossed over with platitudinal phrases of condemnation of those who end this madness?
Got nothing to say.
I think I would rather speak japanese. German words don't have good idioms. I mean how would I express any schadenfreude
if I had to use German to express how much of a fucking idiot TCB is?
Locating devices may be compared to electronic bulls-eyes.
I do enjoy feeding wheat gluten to my pets ...
If you think that's fun, wait until you get served a plate of melamine fish. Yummy!!!!
We had Melamine (Melmac, Boonton Ware) plates when I was a kid.
Even better than melamine-tainted pet food is diethylene glycol-poisoned cough syrup from China! We loves us this global economy, oh yes we do!
Notice how quiet the media has been about the melamine in human food supply?
I mean how would I express any schadenfreude
if I had to use German to express how much of a fucking idiot TCB is?
In Japanese you could at least say, "Dete iki! Kno shiri nuke me!"
German has great idioms. "Gemutlich", zum Beispiel.
WWII was a fucking Democrat war.
Culture of TrÜth | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:28 am | #
Really? Even though Americans who were Republicans (Prescott Bush, Henry Luce), were supporting the rise of HItler throughout the 30s and the build up of his war machine?
Yeah, old man Joe Kennedy did like the Nazis. And I have read that FDR basically maneuvered and provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor through his policies toward them in the Pacific.
So, maybe the reality is that the "war party" in the United States is made up of a bi-partisan elite consensus.
Hence, the IWR in 2002.
Anti-freeze is not just for engines anymore.
Cheney's a disgusting bag of guts, rotting from the inside.
Damn, that's like poetry.
"Every time I go over there the improvements in the conditions are truly amazing."
Senator Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), on progress in Iraq, May 8, 2007.
-- More GOP Quotes of the Week here --
If this site had been around during WWII with daily reminders of hundreds of US forces dying, would you have wanted that to stop the war?
Sure, because no one was aware troops were dying back during WWII. The wires with tin cans attached didn't reach across the oceans, and the movable type hadn't been invented yet, and telephones and teletype and radio were all just visions of a glorious new future. No one back home knew what was happening to their loved ones overseas, it was all a big mystery.
Uh-huh.
Kinsley on Hitchens:
Christopher Hitchens had seemed to be solving this problem by turning his conversion into an ideological “Dance of the Seven Veils.” Long ago he came out against abortion. Interesting! Then he discovered and made quite a kosher meal of the fact that his mother, deceased, was Jewish, which under Jewish law meant he himself was Jewish. Interesting!! (He was notorious at the time for his anti-Zionist sympathies.) In the 1990s, Hitchens was virulently, and somewhat inexplicably, hostile to President Bill Clinton. Interesting!!!
You would have thought that Clinton’s decadence — the thing that bothered other liberals and leftists the most — would have positively appealed to Hitchens. Finally and recently, he became the most (possibly the only) intellectually serious non-neocon supporter of George W. Bush’s Iraq war. Interesting!!!!
But surely there was time for a few more intellectual adventures before retiring to an office at the Hoover Institution or some other nursing home of the mind.
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In fact, it sometimes seems as if existence is just one of the bones Hitchens wants to pick with God — and not even the most important. If God would just leave the world alone, Hitchens would be glad to let him exist, quietly, in retirement somewhere. Possibly the Hoover Institution."
"Iraqi Parliament votes to have American Forces depart."
Heh-heh.
If this site had been around during WWII with daily reminders of hundreds of US forces dying, would you have wanted that to stop the war?
Would you still be ducking service?
And I have read that FDR basically maneuvered and provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl Harbor through his policies toward them in the Pacific.
Gosh. You have?
Gee.
"they are there to get killed, so terrorists don't have to kill Americans here"
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in the context of Vietnam that would have translated directly with the line -
"they are there to get killed, so that the military-industrial complex can reap vast wealth"
"Another question: If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman,"
Well, you might look to post-WWII Europe under the Marshall plan for an idea of what democracy and free market can do - if given time to succeed- to get an idea. That did not occur overnight, either.
Even better than melamine-tainted pet food is diethylene glycol-poisoned cough syrup from China! We loves us this global economy, oh yes we do!
Litz, bamboo alarmist | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:34 am
betta get useta it...
neo-liberalism lives...
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Jeebus. If we "lose" this "war" just think how many languages we'll be speaking! 
SpermDonor,
I was joking. It was a reference the the thread from earlier this morning.
they are not allowing the toxic mix of corportate-based science to dictate pratice and method fer "best results"
Nancy Willing
Well, neither do a lot of non-organic beekeepers. There's a huge amount of variance in apiary practice.
And I read the link to the claims by the organic group. While it is true that smaller cells sizes reduce Varroa infestation, the claim that honeybees have been bred larger for their meat is kinda silly. It seems that the organic folks, or at least this one, are either using Africanized bees or have bred their European bees to a smaller size.
And recent work doies link the collapse to Varroa, and a newly identified virus.
OK, SpermDonor's 10:35 made no sense whatsoever.
I see this troll doesn't have the mental acuity to make for interesting conversation.
If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman,
define "win"...
then we'll talk...
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Well, you might look to post-WWII Europe under the Marshall plan for an idea of what a Democratic administration could do...
Fixed your typo...
And you can cut to the chase and answer my question - if this were WWII, would you still be refusing to sign up and fight - any fucking time now, troll-boy.
I'm going to look at my tomatoes, up close and personal.
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Why isn't this shit about poison from China all these years an international crisis? Why don't we revoke China's favored trade partner status until they clean this up?
I know the answer - if there's a buck to be made, nevermind that some of the hoi polloi might get sick or die.
Post WWII Europe was a highly developed, highly industrious, highly organized place before the war began. Iraq is not, nor has any concrete, workable plan for assisting economic deveopment been proposed. Get real.
Well, you might look to post-WWII Europe under the Marshall plan for an idea of what democracy and free market can do - if given time to succeed- to get an idea. That did not occur overnight, either.
Oh, what a great idea, a Marshall Plan!
Maybe some liberals have already thought of that?
Funnily enough, the Marshall Plan wasn't implemented with bombs and guns.
Well, you might look to post-WWII Europe under the Marshall plan for an idea of what democracy and free market can do - if given time to succeed- to get an idea. That did not occur overnight, either.
Texaschilibean | 05.12.07 - 10:37 am | #
Please explain to me the many similarities between the ethnic and religious conditions in post-WWII Europe and present day Iraq.
Thanks in advance for you diligence in that regard.
Locating devices may be compared to electronic bulls-eyes.
plantsman
If it's good enough for the troops, it's good enough for the politicians....
Why isn't this shit about poison from China all these years an international crisis? Why don't we revoke China's favored trade partner status until they clean this up?
Indeed, I've been wondering the same thing myself.
The sketchy press reports of this event sound similar to 'Black Hawk Down." Didn't the conventional wisdom at the time (the CW that the Republicans are so proud of taking credit for) mandate that the US military would never put itself in that kind of (vulnerable) position again? Isn't the surge with it's small US outposts placed in hostile neighborhoods exactly what the "serious people" vowed to avoid? The sheer dissonance of this war boggles the mind. When will President Commodus be stopped?
Gotta contribute to the economy. Later.
A truly bona fide republican, with just the right amount credibility:
"Calvert Caught In The Act With Prostitute, Lied, Attempted To Run From Police
Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA), recently appointed by House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) to the House Appropriations Committee, has a history of ethics violations that is stirring up battle cries even from his own conservative base. His ethics violations also extend into attempts to dodge the law and lie to the public about his behavior.
In 1993, Calvert was caught by police with a prostitute in a parked car in California. Subsequently, Calvert repeatedly attempted to cover up the incident for nearly a year, publicly denying that it ever occurred.
But a year later, a court order forced the release of the police report, which revealed how Calvert was clearly caught in the act and attempted to run from the police....
'As the male subject covered up crotch area with his left hand and shirt, he started his vehicle and placed it into drive and proceeded to leave. I ordered him three times to turn off the vehicle, and he finally stopped and complied…The male identified himself as Kenneth Stanton Calvert.'"
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05...ert-prostitute/
If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman
Cheaper rugs?
the fucking war was over may 1, 2003...
we 'won'...
we 'defeated' saddam...
now what?
/
If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman
Cheaper rugs?
Lime Rickey
Indiana will be the blueprint for a peaceful Iraq, doncha know?
Indeed, I've been wondering the same thing myself.
Litz, b
Basically Litz, we're on our own - this government is not going to address this. And if they did, it wouldn't be a good thing - they'd fuck it all up.
*sigh*
If we had a real preznit, this might get addressed and I think it would.
Because China is a "developing" nation, "accomodations" have been sought and granted. That's about to end, I do believe, the world will hold them accountable for what they produce.
More coffee, and the pachysandra awaits.
Later, chiropterae.
So I guess Hillary should do what our successful previous candidates have done and just play nice.
"meanwhile over here I guess since Dick Morris isn't availabe Hillary chose the next best thing for her cal campaign
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ articl...MNGIMPQ12L1.DTL
Liars for Bush"
Yeah that guy sounds really evil. Here is a clip where the reporter quotes 2 repubs talking about a dem:
"He's extremely experienced, bright and aggressive ... but he's frequently over the top," said GOP strategist Kevin Spillane, the former spokesman for Poochigian's campaign. "Ace won't let the truth get in the way of his attacks, and he was always willing to say for Jerry that up is down and down is up."
Poochigian adviser Ken Khachigian, an attorney and an aide to former President Ronald Reagan, agrees. He lauds Smith as "very skilled," but adds, "Ace fits in with the boiler-room attack mentality of the Hillary crowd. The strategy there is rip your lungs out.""
A "GOP strategist" and an "aide to former President Ronald Reagan" bad mouth a successful dem operative. Proof enough for you that Hillary is evil. People like you helped but bush in the white house. Twice. Keep up the "good" work buddy and maybe it'll be a trifecta.
Kept missing the "Democrats/Vietnam" discussion, so let me throw in my two cents here right quick:
That "meme" had to do with Presidential elections only, because of the rout of McGovern by Nixon (one of the worse defeats in modern political history). Of course, most Congressional Democrats were not "soft" on war, either (Scoop Jackson and Co. come to mind). Only recently have we decided that the POTUS is the Most Important Politician In The World. This, too, started with Nixon, who began "The Imperial Presidency."
When that term was first applied to him, it was a harsh pejorative; much like the first "Selling of the Presidency" book. Now we've absorbed both into our collective political consciousness, and accept without question that the President is "Imperial" (IOYIKAR. It's why GOP President's are so "manly"!), just as nobody has squealed for 6 years while Karl Rove, a political operative who spends his time reading polls (Dick Morris! Clinton had Dick Morris in the White House reading polls!), takes up office space and gets a Federal paycheck.
More and more all that matters, per the Beltway poo-bahs, is the POTUS. Congress is a parliamentary appendage meant to represent the President to the people. In that environment, the "Democrats" lose because of Vietnam. November 2006 proved otherwise, of course, and polls continue to show otherwise today. But when being President is all that matters, and when all that matter is selling the President (Reagan never went to war; neither did Bush; I'm not sure Nixon did, either), reality is not about what's been done, but what can be sold.
And we're all good with that; apparently.
Because China is a "developing" nation, "accomodations" have been sought and granted. That's about to end, I do believe, the world will hold them accountable for what they produce.
plantsman, plant geek
Jesus christ = someone needs to. My god, they are killing thousands, including children, with poisoned counterfeit cough syrup.
Another question: If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman,
I guess that depends who you ask. What George Bush would define as victory, I would define as a disgusting return to colonialism.
From an objective standpoint, any outcome in the wake of US departure that is better than the status quo ante seems pretty much by definition impossible, given all the destruction that has taken place.
Anyway, "victory" seems far to good a word to be applied to this enterprise under any circumstances.
Tena, you are so right about this Chinese Poison Scandal.
It's just freaking pathetic going to the grocery for cat food and seeing poor pet owners looking furtively at the public notices and sort of keeping their distance from the shelves of cat food. And they're thinking, "OK, which one of these will not kill my kitty."
Why don't we revoke China's favored trade partner status until they clean this up?
cuz the chinese hold about 50% of our national debt, which they could call in at any moment...
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NO. Discrediting the GOP is essential to saving our
way of life.
Does this mean we are winning?
"Iraq said to be missing up to 15 million dollars of oil daily
Sat May 12, 2:37 AM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - Between five million and 15 million dollars worth of oil a day is accounted for in Iraq and could have been siphoned off through corruption or smuggling, The New York Times reported Saturday.
Citing a draft US government report it gained access to, the newspaper said the amounts relate to between 100,000 and 300,000 barrels a day of Iraq
Â’s declared oil production over the past four years.
The report does not give a final conclusion on what happened to the missing fraction of the roughly two million barrels pumped by Iraq each day, the paper said."
http://cliffschecter.blogspot.com/
Why isn't this shit about poison from China all these years an international crisis? Why don't we revoke China's favored trade partner status until they clean this up?
Indeed, I've been wondering the same thing myself.
Litz, bamboo alarmist
We need the cheap pet food?
"Please explain to me the many similarities between the ethnic ... conditions in post-WWII Europe and present day Iraq."
The similarities are the populace is educated and industrious. Your reliance on the need for ethnic similarities relfects an underlying racism, in my opinion.
Remember Bush accusing some who don;t believe people of dark skin can succeed with democracy? You are the type of person he was speaking of.
I made my winger neighbor completely insane last night with these two sentences:
When Hillary is president she gets to insist that all lawyers in the DOJ belong to the ACLU and work on Democratic party campaigns.
Same rules for Democrats as Republicans.
Try it on your local winger - the effect is amazing.
It's just freaking pathetic going to the grocery for cat food and seeing poor pet owners looking furtively at the public notices and sort of keeping their distance from the shelves of cat food. And they're thinking, "OK, which one of these will not kill my kitty
This is exactly the kind of thing one needs government for - we can't police our own food supply or our medicines. This is a legitimate governmental function that even fucking Libertarian can see that, I'd think.
Let's hope, and I do, Europe gets into this. I should think they would - this shit is going all over the world.
Another question: If America were to WIN in Iraq, what exactly would that mean?
plantsman,
A level of car bombing the people of Baghdad can live with!
And this is not the soft bigotry of low expectations! This is blatant, in your face bigotry! Damned ungrateful brown people don't want our freedom and liberty, we'll let 'em eat shrapnel!
Remember Bush accusing some who don;t believe people of dark skin can succeed with democracy? You are the type of person he was speaking of.
Texaschilibean | 05.12.07 - 10:47 am | #
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Wow, now there's a comment you can stick up your ass.
Thank you so much, SpermDonor | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:14 am for your link to the DailyKos coverage of the "free" trade/labor rights mess developing with Pelosi and leading Dems coming to a somewhat secret agreement with BushCo.
WTF?
As WGG noted, there are large reasons why the US can not impose trade sanctions on China; but China has to play to the world community now, and begin policing herself and her industries. This is slowly starting to happen.
A "GOP strategist" and an "aide to former President Ronald Reagan" bad mouth a successful dem operative.
Yeah really. I'm sooooo impressed.
Jeevan indeed!
Well, you might look to post-WWII Europe under the Marshall plan for an idea of what democracy and free market can do - if given time to succeed- to get an idea. That did not occur overnight, either.
Texaschilibean
WWII was not about bringing or restoring democracy to Europe and Japan, Holmes. It was about defending ourselves against an existential threat to our own country. All that other shit was just intendedtokeep that threat from arising again.
When Hillary is president she gets to insist that all lawyers in the DOJ belong to the ACLU and work on Democratic party campaigns.
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Yeah right. I remember Lani Guererri( sp?) way too well.
Let's hope, and I do, Europe gets into this. I should think they would - this shit is going all over the world.
Tena
Woody is right, China has us by the short and curlies. But this affects the food supply in China, too (it's not just pet food that's being contaminated). It won't last long.
Still, it's frightening.
At least there are notices on the pet food shelves--what about the fish section? Poultry? Pork? Who knows what's being fed to livestock in, say, China. Reading about chicken raised over fish ponds so the fish eat the chicken shit is so not comforting.
Discomfitting to the maxx.
You know the sad thing? I opened Eschaton and saw the top post and, before I checked the date, thought I'd gotten an old version of the page. No, it's just history repeating itself in Iraq. Again. And again. And again. And again...
Why isn't this shit about poison from China all these years an international crisis? Why don't we revoke China's favored trade partner status until they clean this up?
I feel the same way. The whole thing reminds me of when the CIA poisoned Cuba's sugar exports to the USSR. How can it have gone on so extensively and not deliberately.
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And recent work doies link the collapse to Varroa, and a newly identified virus.
JR, kerosene
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is there anything to distinguish organic practices and the lack of this suspicious virus from non-organic?
Someone should point out to the trool that Germany didn't come out of WWII with a democracy. Western German did. And England came out of WWII as a socialist country under Atlee.
So stop the historical revisions, eh?
Handmade tomatoes are delicious. And 100% additive free.
Why don't we revoke China's favored trade partner status until they clean this up?
cuz the chinese hold about 50% of our national debt, which they could call in at any moment...
Also, I think the distrust of Chinese products that this sort of thing will cause in western consumers is worse than any overt trade sanctions. If they don't clean thisshit up on their own, they will be in a world of hurt. This, at least, is one place where the invisible hand works well.
Bonjour
there's still enough people to kill in Bagdad? What a tragedy.
Woody is right, China has us by the short and curlies. But this affects the food supply in China, too (it's not just pet food that's being contaminated). It won't last long.
Don't bet on it. Beijing really gonna give a shit if a half-million people a year get sick and die from contaminated food? And they aren't afraid of us at the moment . . . I don't know if the EU could get them to change their tune, but I don't see the US or internal pressures getting them to change soon. Maybe 5 years, but soon--eh.
Woody is right, China has us by the short and curlies. But this affects the food supply in China, too (it's not just pet food that's being contaminated). It won't last long.
I see that as mostly beside the point. It doesn't matter what kind of hold they have on us - this is enough to break that if we had leaders.
That's silly = this amounts to criminality, Robert, on China's part. Now, just because they hold our debt, hell this gives us an edge on that. Cause we can turn around and say and should that the money they've made off us on this shit is illegal and if everyone came together and pressured China, it would have to comply.
The similarities are the populace is educated and industrious. Your reliance on the need for ethnic similarities relfects an underlying racism, in my opinion.
This is the crap Saddam fed to the Western Press.
The UN report on Arab cultures paints a far less rosy picture. You're an idiot, TCB.
is there anything to distinguish organic practices and the lack of this suspicious virus from non-organic?
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:52 am | #
it could be that the bees are healthier in general from not being bred up in size. They are probably more resistant to virii and the varroa due to less stress.
i need kitten porn, i'm too depressed by the state of this bloody planet
http://www.dailykitten.com/
Uh oh. Hell-o-scan acting up again?
Tena: We, the US, can't make China do anything--
she has to do this of her own accord. It's not about our leaders, except to the extent they accept this crap into the country.
Reading about chicken raised over fish ponds so the fish eat the chicken shit is so not comforting.
Discomfitting to the maxx.
jawbone
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No, instead we get cautioned that these trace amounts of chemical in our meats won't hurt.
But that depends on so much.
The pet food was thought it couldn't hurt either and it turns out that the lack of variety of food did these animals in. One kitty munching through the same brand twenty pound bag every two months.
Handmade tomatoes are delicious. And 100% additive free.
GWPDA
you lucky you
Also, I think the distrust of Chinese products that this sort of thing will cause in western consumers is worse than any overt trade sanctions.
I bet watertiger's bear penis was made in china.
I guess that depends who you ask. What George Bush would define as victory, I would define as a disgusting return to colonialism.
Every time I hear some republican say we just have to win, I yell What is winning. I swear these people are not going to be happy until they get the flowers and candy Cheney promised. So while he's over there someone should just hurl a bag of Hershey's kisses at him and say There, now go home!
This, at least, is one place where the invisible hand works well.
blerb | 05.12.07 - 10:53 am
do you think you actually know the origin of all the products you consume?
Don't bet on it. Beijing really gonna give a shit if a half-million people a year get sick and die from contaminated food? And they aren't afraid of us at the moment . . . I don't know if the EU could get them to change their tune, but I don't see the US or internal pressures getting them to change soon. Maybe 5 years, but soon--eh.
Supreme Commander Thor
Their own people? Yes. Already happening. The "Get rich now pay for consequences later/never" attitude ain't curryin' a lot of favor in China. And while it's not democracy, they'd never have gone for a capitalist model if they thought they could keep it out and keep the people tightly controlled.
The Government knows it runs things only so long as the people accept what the Government does. They can't look askance at this kind of problem.
jawbone--I know, of course, that the problem of deadly components in the food supply is not limited to our pets. I also frown upon the idea of antifreeze in our cough syrup.
Seriously, will there be a new Circle of Hell created for those selling (and distributing and buying) poison to be added into medicine?
Bonjour
there's still enough people to kill in Bagdad? What a tragedy.
Plum P | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:53 am |
Morning, cher.
What's the weather like in Montreal?
Here in otherwise culturally deprived surburban North New Jersey it's a lovely early spring day -- sunny, dry in the 60s.
Tena: We, the US, can't make China do anything--
she has to do this of her own accord. It's not about our leaders, except to the extent they accept this crap into the country.
plantsman, plant geek
THat is not true. There are standards involved in international business and our leaders should pressure China to comply. They pressure China on counterfeit CDS and DVDs all the time.
I bet watertiger's bear penis was made in china.
spinoza | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:56 am | #
ok, in this room this sentence makes sense. Posted anywhere else....not so much. I'm sorry that I missed the thread it originally appeared on.
Tena: We, the US, can't make China do anything--
she has to do this of her own accord.
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HELL NO! we can do something and must.
Bill Clinton led the way for China's entrance to world trade markets.
When Hillary got the "Wal-MArt question suring the debates it would have been nice for her to articulate just where we have failed in that arrangement. It ain't just about their labor and their environment being trashed anymore, is it?
where's the yellow bar gone?
do you think you actually know the origin of all the products you consume?
Nope, Bushco suspended the rules mandating "country of origin" disclosure. Too "encumbering", you know!
Political lesson politicos should remember when dealing with China:
If I owe you a $1,000 I'm worried. If I owe you $1,000,000. You are worried, not me.
Tena: We, the US, can't make China do anything--
she has to do this of her own accord. It's not about our leaders, except to the extent they accept this crap into the country.
plantsman, plant geek
Speaking entirely realistically: you want to be the politician to shut down Wal-Mart? Or bring the US economy to a shuddering halt by raising the price of goods? China is the world's factory, literally. We can have a lot of impact on that, but it has a lot of impact on us.
Gonna be a tougher solution than not "accepting this crap into the country." For better or worse, this "crap" is the economy of this country.
ok, in this room this sentence makes sense. Posted anywhere else....not so much. I'm sorry that I missed the thread it originally appeared on.
Hellkitty
I missed it too - I haven't seen this penis that has been talked about for a couple of days.
where's the yellow bar gone?
Into the nothingness it sprang from, for the moment.
where's the yellow bar gone?
Plum P | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:59 am | #
Butterbar is taking a leave of absence to spend more time with its family.
Every time I hear some republican say we just have to win, I yell What is winning.
We yell the same thing here.
It's crap, untter nonsense. It says nothing. Pretty little words and phrases. Chicken soup for the chickenhawks.
Meanwhile, real people are dying real deaths.
For better or worse, this "crap" is the economy of this country.
Rmj, Vox Threaduli | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 10:59 am
rightee-o...
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do you think you actually know the origin of all the products you consume?
WoodyG'sGuitar, tokin' librul
No, but I can find out if I feel the need to. Then I can be more careful. I understand that more of what I consume than I might suspect comes from China, but it does not take very many incidents like this to raise people's awareness. "Not made in China" will become an advertising point, just like "made using cows not treated with rBST". Inside China itself, I don't know. The level of corrupt gov't-industry collusion may be so high that the whole thing will be hushed up. But here, they won't have that protection.
Speaking entirely realistically: you want to be the politician to shut down Wal-Mart? Or bring the US economy to a shuddering halt by raising the price of goods? China is the world's factory, literally. We can have a lot of impact on that, but it has a lot of impact on us.
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well fuck us then with that attitude.
If Wal-Mart is bound to die when we insist that they play fair, we still have to pull the plug.
Here in otherwise culturally deprived surburban North New Jersey it's a lovely early spring day -- sunny, dry in the 60s.
steve simels
Bonjour my sweet. It's beautifully sunny but cold! I'm gonna dig roots again, so it's okay
http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/f...l?qc-147&
unit=i
Butterbar is taking a leave of absence to spend more time with its family.
Which family will Wolfowitz spend time with when he resigns or is fired?
Every time I hear some republican say we just have to win, I yell What is winning.
*nods* Yes, or "get the job done!" Or then dozen other weird little code phrases for NEVAR EVAR leaving that bloody place.
What will happen here is a series of lawsuits, I suspect.
Any American or western company that has used poisoned ingredients from China will get sued and they will turn around and one way or another hold China responsible. If nothing else, those businesses will quit doing business with China if it costs them enough money in settlements.
Meanwhile, in Canada:
Feed contaminated with an industrial chemical was distributed to 57 fish hatcheries and fish farms in Canada, according to the federal food watchdog.
The Canadian Food Inspection Agency confirmed Friday that Vancouver-based Skretting Canada supplied the fish feed, tainted with the same contaminated Chinese wheat flour linked to the recent poisonings of cats and dogs in Canada and the United States...
CFIA is holding at the border and testing all shipments from China of wheat, rice, soy and corn gluten and protein concentrates.
Via the Pet Connection blog... which has been doing extremely good work covering this story that none of the "legitimate" news outlets want to touch.
I think Althouse just outed herself.
Today:
But forget about Sid Vicious turning 50 on Thursday. Today, Katharine Hepburn turns 100!
"She lived openly with a woman widely assumed to have been her lover..."
That's from an op-ed in the NYT by William Mann, who wrote "Kate: The Woman Who Was Hepburn." Hmmm, so what was the deal with Katharine Hepburn? Was she a lesbian?
I love Katharine Hepburn, even though she's terrible in a lot of movies. What do you love her in the most? "Bringing Up Baby," of course, but what else?
Back in the days before VCRs, I once called in sick -- the only time in my life I've ever called in sick and lied -- because "Morning Glory" was on TV. We stayed home, felt guilty, and watched the movie, cut with commercials, on a crummy little TV we'd paid $15 for. A distinctive cinematic experience.
Note the "we" above.
Remember Bush accusing some who don;t believe people of dark skin can succeed with democracy? My friends at StormFront and Red State are the type of person he was speaking of.
Toby, why not go play in traffic and prove to us all you ain't no chickenhawk. Seriously, for a minimum wage Texas state employee you are really just too stupid to breathe.
PlumP,
Wings won last night. Two flukey goals. (Both deflections off the same poor defenseman) But we will take them. Dominic was wonderful and both teams played well.
(But San Jose is a team without class and skill so I hope they lose)
No, Rmj, I don't -- I believe China's own aspirations for her place in the global hierarchy will control her behavior and adherence to international norms and standards better than any pressure we might apply -- that's all.
11fuckhaloscan'tbye
AMAZING how much better I feel after brief scooter jaunt through the 'hood, and a couple of Scottish opium burritos!
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All that other shit was just intendedtokeep that threat from arising again.
And to keep the Commies and Russkies at bay. Rightards always forget the importance of the Soviet Union in the implementation of the Marshall Plan and in the acquiessence of the Germans and Japanese to the US/Brit/French occupations of their countries. There was no resistance to the occupation once it was established -- none.
There's a bear penis emoticon? Does it ... move?
Pie, et al...
WE WON the 'war' in Iraq...
toppled saddam, expelled the baathists, captured the oil...
what we've lost, and NEVER can win, is the peace...
there was a time, two years ago, before the 'insurgency' really got strong when it might have been possible to withdraw USer troops, and--with the help of regional states--secure the country...
that's no longer possible...
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The world has a bit of leverage now with the Olympics coming. That is the only reason China is making its few save-face steps on this.
Chinese leadership is capitalized fully in that they do not give one crap about anything but profit and growth. They learned well.
Note the "we" above.
steve simels
Noted.
Also, I think the distrust of Chinese products that this sort of thing will cause in western consumers is worse than any overt trade sanctions. If they don't clean thisshit up on their own, they will be in a world of hurt. This, at least, is one place where the invisible hand works well.
blerb
Well, since our government has recognized that the profit margins of their corporate donors are more important than your health, you have no idea where the ingredients in the products you ingest come from.
The "invisible hand" would indeed correct the situation, if Republican politicians had not tied it behind our backs.
I wonder how many body builders are being poisoned with their protein powders.
china's the next super-power...
imagine trying to restrain the US after WW II?
now try imagining 'containing' China...
nagahopun...
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Time to send the twins over.
Will someone volunteer to play "second host" to the Eschatonian gang until a more stable comments system... develops, here?
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Bushboy has always been a wastrel and so long as he was wasting his daddy's rich friend's money while he played at being a company CEO, it wasn't a problem.
But the depraved moron is now wasting lives in Iraq by continuing this senseless and destructive war. There is no point to US soldiers being there anymore. They are only hapless targets for snipers and IEDs.
Bushboy and his Veep Creep should be removed from office. Nancy Pelosi should be installed as president and we should get the fuck out of Iraq!
The world has a bit of leverage now with the Olympics coming.
The Chinese Genocide Olympics! Now including over one million dead Tibetans!
Time to send the twins over.
To Iraq or China? Either trip would be a disaster.
Chinese leadership is capitalized fully in that they do not give one crap about anything but profit and growth. They learned well.
Nancy Willing
No country, with the exception of the US, because we have all the weapons, can get away with this and even the US can't get away with this in international business.
Canada is stopping shipments. We should too. We probably won't with this administration in power, but eventually...*sigh*
No, Rmj, I don't -- I believe China's own aspirations for her place in the global hierarchy will control her behavior and adherence to international norms and standards better than any pressure we might apply -- that's all.
plantsman,
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geez
that is so 1990's.
they have obviously gone farther beyond norms and standards allow for.
they are immune because they invest their capital in the west.
they figure they have us by the balls.
If Wal-Mart is bound to die when we insist that they play fair, we still have to pull the plug.
Nancy Willing | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:01 am
precisely WHO is gonna 'pull the plug' on the biggest employer and richest corpoRat enterprise in the fucking WORLD???
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Sorry for the blogwhore, but
It's Stevie Winwood's birthday over at the homepage!!!!
JP, what's in a Scottish Opium Burrito,
Haggis and Hash?
Well, since our government has recognized that the profit margins of their corporate donors are more important than your health, you have no idea where the ingredients in the products you ingest come from.
The "invisible hand" would indeed correct the situation, if Republican politicians had not tied it behind our backs.
Jennifer
I must admit that I did not know that they had managed to do this somehow. But if any more of this shit happens, I'll bet that it will get undone. Panic about poisoned food/medicine/cosmetics is a powerful political force. If the Bushies really try to stand firm in the face of that sort of thing, they and their party will pay dearly. It will be another Katrina for them.
what we've lost, and NEVER can win, is the peace...
That's true, but you can't look at that in isolation, which is exactly what these assholes are trying to do. You have to look at the whole package. This war has a beginning and middle.
When will it end?
WGG is insightful and highly pessimistic most of the time. China has our example of hegemony to learn from, and is trying to chart a tenable course to world domination, but her population is as big a liability as an asset.
Speaking entirely realistically: you want to be the politician to shut down Wal-Mart?
"Wal-Mart Says Profit More Important Than Your Puppy's Health, Politican Charges."
End. Of. Story.
Canada is stopping shipments. We should too. We probably won't with this administration in power, but eventually...*sigh*
There lies the big difference: This administration. A Gore Admin would have shut this shit down right away. Bush--the Chinese have always had his number, all the way back when they were giving "Shrub" hookers who were reporting his shit back to State Security. They don't even have to say "Boo!" to back his ass off; a stern look does just as well.
DWD: i would love a final Ottawa/Detroit.
It will then be difficult for moi not to take for the canadian team...it's so rare one of us wins the Cup these days!
Rather, you can't look at the Saddam toppling and Baathist expulsion from power and oil control in isolation, that is.
You know, the good news leading up to Mission Accomplished.
It's Stevie Winwood's birthday over at the homepage!!!!
Dear God, I don't want to know how old he is...
Toby, why not go play in traffic and prove to us all you ain't no chickenhawk. Seriously, for a minimum wage Texas state employee you are really just too stupid to breathe.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari | 05.12.07 - 11:03 am | #
Toby's here?
Doesn't he have socks that need alphabetizing?
Wal-Mart just reported terrible results, the worst in 28 years. All Things, even Wal-Mart, must pass....
Hellkitty: JP, what's in a Scottish Opium Burrito,
Haggis and Hash?
The breakfast burritos served by that Scottish place with the arches.
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I hate to think what the world is going to look like in 20 years what with China and India trying to become the new United States of consumption.
They will belch out greenhouse gases at a record rate and much of the coastal landmass in the world will sink beneath the waves.
This will leave hundreds of millions of refugees flocking inland. Some may be coming to place near you soon.
It's Stevie Winwood's birthday over at the homepage!!!!
I'm not going to look at PowerPop until you admit that I won the Weekend Listomania.
There lies the big difference: This administration. A Gore Admin would have shut this shit down right away. Bush--the Chinese have always had his number, all the way back when they were giving "Shrub" hookers who were reporting his shit back to State Security. They don't even have to say "Boo!" to back his ass off; a stern look does just as well.
Supreme Commander Thor
Yep.
Clinton, for all his NAFTA-ness would have done something, I'm sure of it.
Morning, bats.
I'm up at an ungodly hour, having just taken miriam to the airport.
Are we irked, to coin a phrase?
The hedgehog predicts democratic defeat.
And recent work doies link the collapse to Varroa, and a newly identified virus.
If the bees are dying from a virus, then where are the bodies?
There are no bodies of dead bees to be found.
This war has a beginning and middle.
When will it end?
pie | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:08 am | #
Actually, the war ended four years ago.
What's been going on since then is an occupation.
We need to keep saying that....
Canada's plan to take over America: we will poison you, one soul at a time!
I must admit that I did not know that they had managed to do this somehow. But if any more of this shit happens, I'll bet that it will get undone. Panic about poisoned food/medicine/cosmetics is a powerful political force. If the Bushies really try to stand firm in the face of that sort of thing, they and their party will pay dearly. It will be another Katrina for them.
blerb
I agree.
WE are not helpless fucking pawns in a game of international "Let's kill the peasants for money" scheme. We are consumers and they need us.
Wal-Mart just reported terrible results, the worst in 28 years. All Things, even Wal-Mart, must pass....
plantsman, plant geek
If people hear that all that cheap stuff comes at the cost of some poor child in Indonesia living a miserable life of slavery, they mostly don't give a shit. But if they hear that all that cheap stuff comes with the risk of getting poisoned, they will run for the exits. You just can't spin or ignore that kind of thing.
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WTF? I just got here! Has Helloscan launched pre-emptive comment disappearing now? Has it suspended habeas corpus as well?
Has anyone stopped to consider that the election of Hillary Clinton as President increases the likelihood that the DLC will strengthen its power in and perhaps even ascend to a once-again dominant position within Democratic Party politics? | SpermDonor
To answer your question before I see whether others have: I think it's more of a certainty than a likelihood. See Spinning Hillary Centrist.
But then, I'm an independent who believes that the other two members of the Mod Squad Democratic front-runners are also depressingly corporatist and AIPAC-friendly. I'm sure that the Least Evil will get the nod, happily.
I'm not going to look at PowerPop until you admit that I won the Weekend Listomania.
Sorry, I think the no-prize goes to me.
My entree even sparked someone's memory of their thesis, for Christ's sake!
Are we irked, to coin a phrase?
Still irking, HaloScan melting down -- seems like old times!
Morning all.
The breakfast burritos served by that Scottish place with the arches.
In the movie Time After Time, I believe Malcolm MacDowell referred to McDonald's as a "Scottish restaurant."
Keep on irkin'!
I'm not going to look at PowerPop until you admit that I won the Weekend Listomania.
Sorry, I think the no-prize goes to me.
My entree even sparked someone's memory of their thesis, for Christ's sake!
dave™© | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:12 am | #
Sorry, KK -- Dave wins this on points.
WHERE'S THE YELLOE BAR. dammit!
I seem to remember China pwnd Bush from day one when they seized a $80 million US spy plane and took it apart rivet by rivet while George ran in a circle chasing his own tail.
Anybody seen the new Spiderman?
Stan Lee has a very funny cameo. He actually says "Nuff said."
Actually, the war ended four years ago.
Yes, Mission Accomplished.
What's been going on since then is an occupation.
We need to keep saying that....
As they keep insisting that if we leave, we lose.
Toonscribe: In the movie Time After Time, I believe Malcolm MacDowell referred to McDonald's as a "Scottish restaurant."
I knew that idea had entered my thinkbone from outside, somehow.
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Still irking, HaloScan melting down -- seems like old times!
plantsman, plant geek | 05.12.07 - 11:13 am | #
Everything old is new again.
Meanwhile, thanks to you slackers, miriam has been poking me with a broom since last night.
In other words:
Catblogging!
The hedgehog predicts democratic defeat.
trifecta |
I always take political advice from people who look like the hedgehog. Uh huh.
It's gone for now, Plum P.
Anybody know if the Hobbit movie is going to get done with Peter Jackson out?
Speaking of the Shangri-Las (or not) there is another twofer along with the Dolls with "Give him a Great Big Kiss."
"When I say I am in love, you 'bess believe I'm in love: L-U-V!"
Simels: The Byrds, not the Beach Boys
'nuff said
Toonscribe: In the movie Time After Time, I believe Malcolm MacDowell referred to McDonald's as a "Scottish restaurant."
As said:
H.G. Wells: This is delicious, far superior to that Scottish place I breakfasted.
Amy Robbins: Scottish?
H.G. Wells: MacDougalls.
The hedgehog predicts democratic defeat.
Ron Jeremy does political commentary now?
I seem to remember China pwnd Bush from day one when they seized a $80 million US spy plane and took it apart rivet by rivet while George ran in a circle chasing his own tail.
Troutski
THey did, because CooCoo is an incompetent piece of cowardly shit.
ok, here's a cookie - which thread do you want it on?
It's gone for now, Plum P.
plantsman
but why?
I almost hope that more of this kind of thing ahappens, and that the Bushies try to keep ignoring it. "The Republicans don't give a shit about you" is the best campaign message we have, and the outrage over Katrina has begun to fade. Deliberately allowing Wal-Mart to sell people poison is worth about a hundred US attorney firing scandals in terms of political consequence.
I mean, I don't really hope that more people or their pets get poisoned. But if the Bushies really try to brazen something like that out, it will be a truly epochal blunder for the Republicans.
Catblogging!
rorschach, migozarad
Hi Miriam!
Great cat pics.
Larry Kudlow is fixated on the word hedgehog. I just thought I would help him out a bit.
Anybody know if the Hobbit movie is going to get done with Peter Jackson out?
trifecta
Rumors were first it would be Sam Rami . . . saw another name attached just a while back, but can't find the story.
But if they hear that all that cheap stuff comes with the risk of getting poisoned, they will run for the exits.
Don't forget the other side of the double whammy -- you can spend your limited income on cheap crap from China at Walmart or you can buy expensive gas for your car. Many people, and I would think they make up a large part of the Walmart demographic, can't afford to do both.
I met fellow Eschatonian LittlePig the other day. Nice guy, with a big laugh.
Ro! bonjour! I've got cat-in-a-bag too!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/682...s/68204915@N00/
BTW, is the Iraqui Parlaiment still going on a two month vacation?
I mean, I don't really hope that more people or their pets get poisoned. But if the Bushies really try to brazen something like that out, it will be a truly epochal blunder for the Republicans.
blerb
Like they need another epochal blunder. They already have the copyright and the patent on every single fucking epochal blunder of the 21st century.
BTW, is the Iraqui Parlaiment still going on a two month vacation?
Hey, presiding over a civil war is hard! It's hard work!
Another installment of Chomp/Counter-chomp now available.
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World War II:
Duration calculation results
From and including: Sunday, December 7, 1941
To, but not including : Tuesday, August 14, 1945
It is 1346 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 3 years, 8 months, 7 days excluding the end date
Iraq War:
Duration calculation results
From and including: Thursday, February 20, 2003
To, but not including : Saturday, May 12, 2007
It is 1542 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date
Or 4 years, 2 months, 22 days excluding the end date
If this was like WWII, the war ended October 28, 2006.
and the outrage over Katrina has begun to fade.
People had better hope that we don't see a repeat of that kind of damage this year, because Chimpy isn't going to make it all better.
Looks like our #1 bud in the GWOT is having a few difficulties:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- At least 28 people have been killed during massive clashes between pro-government supporters and opposition party members Saturday in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi, police and intelligence sources said.
Ro! bonjour! I've got cat-in-a-bag too!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/682...s/68204915@N00/
Plum P | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:18 am | #
Terribly cute!
Tista occupied my bag in protest; he saw miriam packing to go to Germany, and decided to stage a sit-in in my bag in order to prevent me from leaving too.
I imagine he's quite proud of himself now, since it seems to've worked.
The big date coming up is the 15th. The sunni block says they are going to quit parliament that day unless their reform issues are addressed.
The whole government likely is going to collapse on Tuesday.
Also doing a good job on the "pet food recall" beat is itchmo.com, from which we get this:
Itchmo has learned that the FDA has issued a surveillance order for Chinese vegetable proteins on May 1 — including corn gluten and wheat products — based on melamine contamination.
Despite repeated FDA statements saying that there is no risk to human health from contaminated pigs and chickens, the FDA surveillance order indicates otherwise. It states: Pregnant women should not perform this assignment.
"Melamine and additional related contaminants have been found in concentrations of up to 20% in analyzed samples. The MSDS for pure melamine is attached as Attachment B and includes warnings “to avoid breathing dust, avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing”. Chronic exposure may cause cancer or reproductive damage."
Clearly, the FDA is concerned with the safety of their own staff’s exposure to melamine-tainted foods. Despite this warning, the FDA told the press and us yesterday that animals that ate tainted foods were safe for human consumption...
Plum P: Ro! bonjour! I've got cat-in-a-bag too!
Saw that last month!
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Steve: did you go see 28 Weeks Later? I loved the 1st one and i'm not in zombies at all!
Simels: The Byrds, not the Beach Boys
'nuff said
Plum P | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:16 am | #
Word.
I adore them. Probably on balance my all-time fave ban....
Hmm...I really should do something about them on the site.
Actually, I just finished a biography of Gene Clark, and there's a nice reissue of his first solo album coming out soon...
I imagine he's quite proud of himself now, since it seems to've worked.
rorschach, migozarad
They know. Last time I went out of town, my cat knew and he was pissed. He would turn his head when I approached him.
He knew.
"When I say I am in love, you 'bess believe I'm in love: L-U-V!"
You are correct! MWAH!
People had better hope that we don't see a repeat of that kind of damage this year, because Chimpy isn't going to make it all better.
A couple of hurricanes here and there, maybe a city getting hit with an F5 as well, might wake people the fuck up.
Saw that last month!
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Jeffraham Prestonian
pfff. I posted those last weeks, silly. Did you see the love message il left for your cats ce matin?
yeeargh!
Many people, and I would think they make up a large part of the Walmart demographic, can't afford to do both.
Everyone needs to conserve. Unfortunately, it's hard to do for those who are hit hardest by prices.
The whole government likely is going to collapse on Tuesday.
trifecta | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:20 am | #
then they can all go on vacation and WE will be back to square one.
people poison their kids all the time...
to pacify 'em...lotsa sugar, and fats, to say nothing of the crap in prepared and 'fast' foods...
and don't seem to care...as long as the kids are occupied...
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jeevan seems to be able to keep this piece of shit comment engine working for about a day...
great work, zeevie...
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Clearly, the FDA is concerned with the safety of their own staff’s exposure to melamine-tainted foods. Despite this warning, the FDA told the press and us yesterday that animals that ate tainted foods were safe for human consumption...
dave™©
That would be the very same FDA who claimed that Ground Zero was safe for clean up workers.
...Dave wins this on points.
Woo-hoo!!!
So, he screwed the Poochigian?
Villaraigosa's victory was followed up by another for [Averell "ace"] Smith when he oversaw Democrat Jerry Brown's successful campaign for state attorney general against Republican former state Sen. Chuck Poochigian in 2006.
They know. Last time I went out of town, my cat knew and he was pissed. He would turn his head when I approached him.
He knew.
Tena | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:21 am | #
Oh, yes, they know.
Tista was in full-on pissed mode last night while miriam was loading up her suitcase. He got in his catbed facing the wall and wouldn't respond at all to us.
Steve,
Is the bio book length? Can't wait is so.
Gene Clark is one of my all time faves. No Other is an underground classic.
Dick Cheney wants us to bomb Iran. so does al-Qaeda.
Dick Cheney wants us to stay in Iraq. so does al-Qaeda.
Dick Cheney has friends and allies in Saudi Arabia. so does al-Qaeda.
is Dick Cheney actually a sleeper agent for the Bin Laden family? it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
What up HaloScan? You are making Firefox so upset that it quits and goes away.
Jennifer, that was the EPA--but under BushCo they're all corporate shills.
A couple of hurricanes here and there, maybe a city getting hit with an F5 as well, might wake people the fuck up.
Supreme Commander Th
People are awake.
Over 70% of Americans are wide fucking awake. Let's not be wishing for disasters to prove a point, ok?
my cat doesn't act out emotionally when I leave town. He pees on things. Then I act out emotionally.
...he saw miriam packing to go to Germany...
rorschach
so you're available this week end...
"Melamine and additional related contaminants have been found in concentrations of up to 20% in analyzed samples. The MSDS for pure melamine is attached as Attachment B and includes warnings “to avoid breathing dust, avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing”. Chronic exposure may cause cancer or reproductive damage."
Holy crap!
"See Spinning Hillary Centrist.
Little Brřther"
I did. I read it. It's crap. This is the short version why:
"The firm has represented everyone from the Argentine military junta to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster in India, in which thousands were killed when toxic fumes were released by one of its plants"
penn didn't start working for b-m until 21 years later. Does that matter?
"Back in 2003 two large unions, UNITE (which later merged with HERE, the hotel and restaurant union) and the Teamsters, launched a major drive to organize 32,000 garment workers and truck drivers at Cintas... Cintas hired Wade Gates, a top employee in B-M's Dallas office"
penn hadn't started working for b-m until 2 years later. Does that matter?
berman is a liar and he is treating us like rubes:
berman
"Yet Hillary apparently sees no contradiction between her own advocacy, as painted by Penn, and the anti-union, pro-corporate work of her chief strategist's company."
Her chief strategist didn't work for the company until years after the examples berman sites.The whole thing is crap. From beginning to end. Does that matter?
My bad. It wasn't the FDA who declared Ground Zero "safe"; it was the EPA.
Though both are Bush administration agencies.
Plum P: pfff. I posted those last weeks, silly.
... sez the gal who cries foul if I pimp the last hour's cat photos...!
Did you see the love message il left for your cats ce matin?
I recognized the letters... so THAT's what that was!
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my cat doesn't act out emotionally when I leave town. He pees on things. Then I act out emotionally.
trifecta
Henriette bites me when i come back from a weeke-end away. ANd she messes up my plants.
Like they need another epochal blunder. They already have the copyright and the patent on every single fucking epochal blunder of the 21st century.
Tena
Well, you do have a point there. But I think this one will stand out even against that ignominious background, at least from a political standpoint. From a strategic and economic standpoint, there is of course no topping Iraq.
so you're available this week end...
Plum P | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:24 am | #
I'm a bachelor for now, baby!
My kitty does the same thing...she gets pissed when the suitcase comes out. She's tried the sleeping in it gambit too.
Let's not be wishing for disasters to prove a point, ok?
I've had this fear ever since I saw the response to Katrina. Bush ca't handle it. So you'd better believe I don't want another one.
The big date coming up is the 15th. The sunni block says they are going to quit parliament that day unless their reform issues are addressed.
The whole government likely is going to collapse on Tuesday.
trifecta
...I thought you meant ours at first.
Is the bio book length? Can't wait is so.
Gene Clark is one of my all time faves. No Other is an underground classic.
Kid Charlemagne | 05.12.07 - 11:24 am | #
Yup. Very well researched, too.
David Crosby comes across as a total dick, but of course that's no surprise.
I'll find a link for it...
Hey, Steverino, in your little treatise on the Beach Boys, you left off one of my all-time Brian Wilson faves: "A Day in the Life of a Tree."
Just listened to it last night - it's fucking awesome!
my cat doesn't act out emotionally when I leave town. He pees on things. Then I act out emotionally.
trifecta
O well, the first time we were both gone at the same time, this cat left us little piles of pooh in a circle around the coffee table. On the oriental rug.
Meow!
See, if you just never go anywhere, like me, your kittehs always love you.
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it was the EPA.
christine todd whitman going down on the monstrous, stiff dick of the corpoRatocracy...
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is Dick Cheney actually a sleeper agent for the Bin Laden family? it would be irresponsible not to speculate.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Well, after that Chambliss campaign ad, we sure owe them a few of those creative video cuts....
Kid Charlemagne:
The Clark bio
http://gene-clark.tripod.com/
David Crosby does have great sperm though, and has a healthy appetite for new organs in his defense.
STEVE: look what's in the Rough Trade list of new things this week:
the kinks - waterloo sunset (7 - Ł2.99)
limited edition 40th anniversay special collectors 7 inch vinyl reissue of the iconic waterloo sunset. facsimile of the original pye, in original single bag. limited, numbered pressing of 1,000 units the b side comes with act nice and gentle.
for 3 quids, i'm getting it.
Speaking of organs... I also dropped by H.G. Hill on the way home from that Scottish place, and got a sixer of SNPA. So, there's laundry to do, and good, good beer to drink!
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penn hadn't started working for b-m until 2 [2005] years later. Does that matter?
I'm sorry, what year did Penn sell his firm to Burston Marseller?
stop with the lies and the shilling. Penn is the CEOP of a firm that includes a union-busting division, and WAS part of that firm when they were busting Unite.
if you are gonna continue to try to pushback against the union busting charges at least get your facts right.
btw, what part of union busting do you feel comnfortable with the most? the use of scabs, the use of informants, the firing of organizers, the intimidation tactics? which of these do you feelbest about, "hadenough" ?
Like they need another epochal blunder. They already have the copyright and the patent on every single fucking epochal blunder of the 21st century.
Tena
But Edwards poufs his hair. That's what sticks in people's minds.
A music what if... If Ritchie Valens and Buddy Holly didn't crash, would they have had long careers? Or would they have flamed out when the brittish invasion really kicked in?
..I thought you meant ours at first.
Alli
So did I!
Her chief strategist didn't work for the company until years after the examples berman sites.The whole thing is crap. From beginning to end. Does that matter?
hadenough | 05.12.07 - 11:25 am
so, with penn at the reins, burston/mars is NOW become a paragon of international labor union advocacy? environmentalism?
really?
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my cat doesn't act out emotionally when I leave town. He pees on things. Then I act out emotionally.
trifecta
O well, the first time we were both gone at the same time, this cat left us little piles of pooh in a circle around the coffee table. On the oriental rug.
Tena | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:27 am | #
Yeah, our New Zealand trip cost us a mattress...
And, even more dramatically, miriam and I returned home from presenting at a conference in Newcastle-upon-Tyne and were home for three days before packing to go to present at a conference in Houston.
Tista grabbed my arm and raked it with his back claws, laying my arm open from wrist to elbow. Blood everywhere.
I gesture a lot when I present a paper; I expect that my bandages added a lot to my presentation that day.
Meow!
Henriette
my baby! But how can you be typing and posting while you are in your litter box right now? IT'S MAGIC!
Steve: did you go see 28 Weeks Later? I loved the 1st one and i'm not in zombies at all!
Plum P | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:21 am | #
Yeah. I didn't see the first one, so I can't compare, but this one's efficiently scary.
The characters aren't terribly interesting so you really don't care much, but the whole thing can be read as a metaphor for Iraq and it's kind of depressing on that level.
David Crosby comes across as a total dick, but of course that's no surprise.
When Crosby released his first autobiography, a friend and I went to a book signing. When we got up to the table, Crosby was sitting there with the "co-writer" of the book - Carl Gottlieb. While Crosby signed my friend's book, I spent the whole time gushing over Gottlieb, much to his amusement (and the confustion of everyone else in line).
My most fanboy-ish utterance: "'Caveman' was the greatest movie ever made!"
If Ritchie Valens and Buddy Holly didn't crash, would they have had long careers?
Buddy Holly would have ended up a fat record producer.
But Edwards poufs his hair. That's what sticks in people's minds.
Lime Rickey
The fact that Edwards combs his hair makes him obviously unqualified to be president. Too bad.
...on the bright side, it will save us from a Wolfowitz administration.
Her chief strategist didn't become CEO for the company until years after he sold his polling company to BM. Union Busting is crap. From beginning to end.
Fixed your typos.
Do you also defend Penn for his most excellent work getting Bllomberg elected? How about his work putting well-known liberal Menachem Begin into the Prime Ministers office?
Plum P:
That's fantastic. Go for it!!!
Damn, ror! If only Mr. Tena was out of town...
instead, my inlaws are here for Mother's Day.
..I thought you meant ours at first.
Allie
So did I!
Tena
I was taking comfort in the fact that at least I had advance notice.
My most fanboy-ish utterance: "'Caveman' was the greatest movie ever made!"
dave™© | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:31 am | #
Hilarious.
Truly.
Damn, ror! If only Mr. Tena was out of town...
instead, my inlaws are here for Mother's Day.
Tena | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:33 am | #
Sigh. Star-crossed, we are.
Yeah. I didn't see the first one, so I can't compare, but this one's efficiently scary.
The characters aren't terribly interesting so you really don't care much, but the whole thing can be read as a metaphor for Iraq and it's kind of depressing on that level.
steve simels
I'm repeating this - hope it's ok. The first one was really witty and it has one of my favorite things in a movie of all time. The protagonist is going up the stairs of a deserted church and someone has written on the wall in big red letters:
The End is Very Fucking Nigh!
Goddamn, I love that.
After Bill Clinton was impeached for getting his hair cut on a runway I think we would be wise to nominate a bald candidate.
Honest to God, if Penn was working for Obama, Edwards, Biden, etc., the sputtering outrage would be minimal at best.
But since it's Hitlery...!!!
It's misogynist sexism, boys. Admit it. Get over it.
so, with penn at the reins, burston/mars is NOW become a paragon of international labor union advocacy? environmentalism?
really?
It will be intersting to see if anyone inside the unuion movement starts questioning their leaders use of PAC dollars to support a union buster. Andy Stern has said "no comment" but I wonder what John Sweeney thinks? I wonder how the Teamsters feel, especially now that they have come out against the new "Free Trade" pact Rangel negotiated with the Bushies?
Honest to God, if Penn was working for Obama, Edwards, Biden, etc., the sputtering outrage would be minimal at best.
bullshit...
if he were workin for anybody, i'd be opposed to the greedy, blood-sucking, anti-democratic motherfucker....
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After Bill Clinton was impeached for getting his hair cut on a runway I think we would be wise to nominate a bald candidate.
lipreader
hee hee hee hee!
Steve,
Have you read the Byrds bio "Timeless Flight" by John Rogan too? Crosby comes across as a dick in that book too.
That's where I first read that the horse on the cover of "The Notorious Byrd Brothers" was supposed to be a dig at Crosby.
It's misogynist sexism, boys. Admit it. Get over it.
hey shithead, get over yourself, mkay?
Hilarious.
Truly.
I stand by my assessment!
I also asked him when he was going to write his own biography. He didn't seem to think there would be much interest. Personally, I'd love to hear his stories about the old Committee days...
Tista grabbed my arm and raked it with his back claws, laying my arm open from wrist to elbow. Blood everywhere.
I gesture a lot when I present a paper; I expect that my bandages added a lot to my presentation that day.
rorschach,
The sympathy factor. Good thinking!
here's your cookie. *sigh*
here's another 14 seconds.
hey shithead, get o--
Struck a nerve, did I?
I rest my case.
hee hee hee hee!
Tena | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:36 am | #
that does bring us perilously close to Rudy, you know.
i have 10 000 things to do, must leave now
see ya all tonite, babes.
Fuck this god damned war and the criminal son of a bitch who started it. Fuckety, fucking, fuck!
But since it's Hitlery...!!!
What I don't understand is the absolute vitriol and loathing that jumps off the page.
Good grief. Keep it in perspective, will you, please?
I need to explore every square inch of territory that can safely be scooted in the hood at 30mph or less. So, I'll be back in a few minutes.
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Fuckety, fucking, fuck!
pfffft | 05.12.07 - 11:39 am | #
tell us how you really feel....
I've had this fear ever since I saw the response to Katrina. Bush ca't handle it. So you'd better believe I don't want another one.
pie
You and me both. I hold my breath a lot, hoping to get out of here before disaster hits.
Sheeeeit.
Honest to God, if Penn was working for Obama, Edwards, Biden, etc., the sputtering outrage would be minimal at best.
this just frosts my fucking ass...
the assumption is that any opposition to Hillary is based on her gender...
and that is total crap, in my case at least...
i defer to no male in my admiration of and respect for women's political aspirations...
but i won't support hillary, because i cannot condone yet another fucking traingulator whom i know going in will butt-fuck her liberal constituency the first chance she gets...
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And recent work doies link the collapse to Varroa, and a newly identified virus.
If the bees are dying from a virus, then where are the bodies?
There are no bodies of dead bees to be found.
Plum, that is some serious CD collection! Nice to see the vinyl as well. (That is your cat in your place?)
a link for the Crybaby Dave:
THE PROTEGES. I'm no defender of Mark Penn, given the campaign he urged Joe Lieberman to wage in 2003 against Howard Dean's then-daring articulation of positions that are today's conventional wisdom on the war in Iraq, but I think if people are going to go after him and Doug Schoen, they also need to take into consideration the proteg
Ă©s his firm has seeded throughout the political system. John Edwards, for example, employs this current vice president of Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates:
feel better now, crybaby?
this just frosts my fucking ass...
the assumption is that any opposition to Hillary is based on her gender...
and that is total crap, in my case at least...
i defer to no male in my admiration of and respect for women's political aspirations...
but i won't support hillary, because i cannot condone yet another fucking traingulator whom i know going in will butt-fuck her liberal constituency the first chance she gets...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, tokin' librul | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:41 am | #
This bears repeating.
Word.
Have you read the Byrds bio "Timeless Flight" by John Rogan too? Crosby comes across as a dick in that book too.
Yeah, read that one too.
In the new book Crosby at least fesses up to being a dick, but still...
the assumption is that any opposition to Hillary is based on her gender...
well, it's an assumption made by the lazy, the stupid, and the most pro-active HRC supporters, so you'll be seeing a lot more of it.
God fucking damn it -
It's not even '08 yet - do we have to start these goddamn candidate wars now?
Mrs. A-J - we get it. You've been posting the same goddamn bitch about Hillary for at least 2 weeks now.
WE GET IT.
What are American feminists doing about the plight of Muslim women? Christina Hoff Sommers, Weekly Standard
Uh, do you have any suggestions to offer?
Hello moonbats
The Varroa has been fought with miticides, plus beekeepers are giving antibiotics. Plus, there is stress from being trucked around the country. Also, the size of the bees has been encouraged to increase to one and a half normal size. The organic bee keeper reports that by using a smaller opening the bees seem to be able to fight off the Varroa.
At least, that's what I gleaned from the article. Very interesting.
And I'm responding after reading top to bottom for awhile, then bottom upward....
in the room the Gravatars come and go
talking of Michaelangelo...
Well, it's almost time for me to go and apply for my groceries at the Bowl. Mothers' Day always entails me cooking a big Sunday dinner for all 5 of the the wimmens to whom I am filially or otherwise duty-bound. Of late, though, my own mother has insisted on horning in on the cooking action. This time, she actually sent me a menu in advance. If I don't start brushing her back, she's going to take over the whole show....
Mrs. A-J - we get it. You've been posting the same goddamn bitch about Hillary for at least 2 weeks now.
actually, it was Little Brothers comment that brought out "hadenough" to troll us with the same bogus talking points he's been trolling Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias with. but thanks for playing.
well, it's an assumption made by the lazy, the stupid, and the most pro-active HRC supporters, so you'll be seeing a lot more of it.
You are wrong about this, so are we to assume you're wrong about her, too?
You are't doing yourself any favors. We can have a discussion without resorting to that kind of hateful intensity. She's not the devil.
"stop with the lies and the shilling. Penn is the CEOP of a firm that includes a union-busting division, and WAS part of that firm when they were busting Unite.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari"
Ha! You are too much. The hatred, it burns.
"Penn is the CEOP of a firm that includes a union-busting division, and WAS part of that firm when they were busting Unite."
penn didn't work for the company until 2 years later. In dec 2005 b-m bought his polling company and made penn ceo. That's not top secret info berman couldn't get. A 2 sec google and there you go. I'd bet berman knows it. If he doesn't he is as big a dope as he is a liar.
"try to pushback against the union busting"
penn did not work for the company in 2003. Period. What don't you get about that? Bhopal happened 21 years before penn became ceo of b-m. What don't you get about that.
You think it's horrible that'd I'd "pushback" when morons tell lies about a possible dem nominee. I'll tell you what: If berman and others had played straight in 2000 and 2004 we wouldn't be where we are today. Now in 2007 people like you and berman would be happy to repeat those disasters.
actually, it was Little Brothers comment that brought out "hadenough" to troll us with the same bogus talking points he's been trolling Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias with. but thanks for playing.
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaar
I'm going to say; this once and then I'm going to go get dressed:
YOu are not doing one goddamn thing to persuade anyone because you are so fucking nasty about it.
I"m fucking sick of it.
I'm out of here.
hadenough...
then it ought to be pretty easy to point ot changes in the burs/mars agenda since penn took over, right?
give us a couple of excamples of how B/M has gone to bat FOR unions, devoting their considerable political and financial capital to the cause of the poor and the working peiople...
fucking CRICKETS...
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YOu are not doing one goddamn thing to persuade anyone because you are so fucking nasty about it.
versus the sweet, gentle, and kind work done by Burston Marseller in busting unions.
let's all sing Kumbaya, bash Bush, and nod our heads in agreement. Things will be so much better once a Democrat is in the White House.
Kumbaya, my lord
Kumbaya...
Drudge is being very careful not to mention any of this. He has to follow his GOP talking points.
but i won't support hillary, because i cannot condone yet another fucking traingulator whom i know going in will butt-fuck her liberal constituency the first chance she gets...
i'm supporting obama, even tho it's been said i'm a racist.
sadly, i suspect he may be guilty of the aforementioned sins.
one thing i've learned since i actually started to care about politics. less evil, is less evil.
:sigh:
I'm going to the plant place by Atlantic Terminal.
My 2 cents.
I wouldn't like to see Hillary as the Dem nominee because I think it would re-energize the contards.
I wouldn't like to see Obama as the Dem nominee for the same reason.
However if either is the nominee I'm going to work my ass off to make sure they get elected.
This country can not stand another 4 years of a president from the other party.
Oh and an independent running for president would insure it.
This is an important and legitimate debate, it is not gratouitous candidate-bashing. The primaries are pretty much all less than a year away. It would be nice if everybody who wishes to engage in it could do so without either resorting to abusive language or reflexively impugning the motives of those with whom they disagree.
What are American feminists doing about the plight of Muslim women?
Well, we destroyed the one Muslim country with the highest level of womens rights, education, employment and civil rights. How's that?
I like it when other people have access to mysterious truths that other people fail to grasp. it's really cool.
Well, I can't stand That Woman either, but it's got nothing to do with her gender. I can't stand her husband either.
And on that note, taking a break...
Democratic candidates aside, you gotta love Giuliani.
He's just a hoot:
Last weekend Deb and Jerry VonSprecken of Olin received a call from former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s campaign office asking them if they would be interested in holding a campaign rally on May 4, after she had donated to his campaign.
“We thought it would be an honor and agreed,” said Jerry.
The campaign office continued to contact the VonSpreckens throughout last weekend and were told a security check would be needed. The couple passed the security check and began putting plans in place.
“We started making phone calls. We got the sheriff and fire department and Olin school was going to let out early. We were also expecting kids from the Anamosa school,” Jerry explained. “Deb even went around and personally invited people.”
On Tuesday Deb received a call from Giuliani’s Des Monies office and was asked to call New York.
“They wanted to know our assets,” she revealed, and added that she and Jerry have a modest 80 acre farm and raise cattle.
Later she received a call from Tony Delgado at the Des Monies location.
“Tony said, ‘I’m sorry, you aren’t worth a million dollars and he is campaigning on the Death Tax right now.’ then he said they weren’t going to be able to come,” Deb continued.
The Death Tax is a federal version of the Iowa Inheritance Tax.
Well, we destroyed the one Muslim country with the highest level of womens rights, education, employment and civil rights. How's that?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:52 am
yeah, that worked out so well...
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I just wish Al Gore would jump in.
I like it when other people have access to mysterious truths that other people fail to grasp. it's really cool.
Atrios | 05.12.07 - 11:52 am
to which mysteries do you refer, brother host?
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This is an important and legitimate debate, it is not gratouitous candidate-bashing. The primaries are pretty much all less than a year away.
The use of "you just dislike her because of her gender" is a really effective way to sidestep policy issues. It's the flipside of "let's talk about haircuts and McMansion homes of the pols."
feh!
If I could figure out how to hold a screwdriver, I bet I could install a cold fusion engine in the Vino, and get it up to 120mph.
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What are American feminists doing about the plight of Muslim women?
Well, we destroyed the one Muslim country with the highest level of womens rights, education, employment and civil rights. How's that?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:52 am | #
Yeah, that was well done, wasn't it?
The person who asked this question clearly has no knowledge of history--the notion of "saving brown women from brown men" has long been integral to white imperialism...
Leaving the kitties: I had a half-Abby cat who would grab my ankle when I would approach the door carrying luggage! Just wrapped her two front legs around my ankle and held on for dear life. It was a time when I had to travel fairly frequently, and she just hated it.
When I got back, she usually would take one look at me, then turn her head away from me, giving tail up only view--until time to go to bed, where she would get on the pillow and curl herself around the top of my head--and purr so loudly I could not sleep.
I still miss that dear, sweet, delightful, wonderful, playful until death, jumper onto tall furniture, fetcher of small balls, and twisting-turning leaper after anything enticing above her. Oh, my, thinking of her makes me tear up still, after almost 15 years....
I just wish Al Gore would jump in.
lipreader
Alas, I think that horse has left the barn. We missed our chance at having him be president when we elected him by such a slim margin in 2000.
Good morning, folk.
Norm Coleman plays the comic foil pretty well these days.
(blogwhore)
I have a mysterious truth.
Toothpaste works great on coffee stains on your counter.
Oh, no that was Heloise's truth. Never mind.
Crash program in battery/electrical storage technology would be my vote. We've got several ways of producing electricity, but not many ways of storing it.
Looks like the Weekly Standard publishes trolls.
Sheesh--Merkin feminists are just trying to us our of Iraq so we stop killing Muslim women, their menfolk, children, parents, children.
And GWPDA's comment is so right on.
What are American feminists doing about the plight of Muslim women?
Well, we destroyed the one Muslim country with the highest level of womens rights, education, employment and civil rights. How's that?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
So well said that it should be the beginning of any discussion of the topic.
Is something up with HaloScan again? I posted a question of the week at Echidne's and the comments show up on my brother's computer but not on mine.
Will somebody PLEASE teach me how to speak, "You love me long time? How much?" in German and Japanese?
Damn! If only we had cut and run in 1942 like all libs wanted I wouldn't have this problem today.
Oh wait! P.S.! There's lots of Chinese hotties in this city too... hmm, Korean too... forget I said that! I mean "Whut aboot the Korean War too??!!" How I say, "You love me long time? How much?" in Chinese and Korean???
Hurry! It just got hot and sunny here!
Damn those stay the coursers!
I still miss that dear, sweet, delightful, wonderful, playful until death, jumper onto tall furniture, fetcher of small balls, and twisting-turning leaper after anything enticing above her. Oh, my, thinking of her makes me tear up still, after almost 15 years....
jawbone
That's beautiful. Thank you.
The use of "you just dislike her because of her gender" is a really effective way to sidestep policy issues. It's the flipside of "let's talk about haircuts and McMansion homes of the pols."
feh!
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
True, but Hadenough did make a rebuttal to your post that addressed its substance, albeit in a gratouitously rude manner. I for one would like to see your response to that.
Rudy Ghouliani doesn't have much use for the "little people" except to get votes from them.
What are American feminists doing about the plight of Muslim women?
Well, we destroyed the one Muslim country with the highest level of womens rights, education, employment and civil rights. How's that?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Wait till you see what we do to Cuba!
How much, in German, Wie Viel (Vee Feel)
Will somebody PLEASE teach me how to speak, "You love me long time? How much?" in German and Japanese?
phonetically, german:
"do leebst misch lange zite! vee feel?"
I just wish Al Gore would jump in.
lipreader
He could win if he would quit wearing earth tones and stop his Tom Edison fixation.
You could also mention that there are Islamic feminists who are in severe need of support, beginning with not letting the Western countries screw things up for them. The feminists in those countires are the ones who have the best chance of finding successful ways to promote women's rights. They are best equipped to know what has a chance of working and what will be counterproductive.
Wait till you see what we do to Cuba!
spinoza | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 11:59 am
you are SOOOOO right about that, brotha!
it's gonna be appalling, and horrible...
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"do leebst misch lange zite! vee feel?"
und erdberren mit schlagsahne
You love me long time, in German:
Sie lieben mich Zeit festsetzen lang.
Will somebody PLEASE teach me how to speak, "You love me long time? How much?" in German and Japanese?
phonetically, german:
"do leebst misch lange zite! vee feel?"
WoodyG'sGuitar, tokin' librul | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 12:00 pm | #
Mostly right, but as a question, it'd be "leebst do" at the start.
Well, we destroyed the one Muslim country with the highest level of womens rights, education, employment and civil rights. How's that?
GWPDA, yclept Irate Scholar
Which was at the time coincidentally also the single Muslim country that was least likely to collude with Al Qaeda and is now their biggest haven. You've got to hand it to them -- when they screw up, they screw up big!
Alas, I think that horse has left the barn. -blerb
Are you calling Al fat?
Strawberries with Whipped Cream?
Just opened the gate into the side yard - Arthur doing his usual mad screaming dash thru, only to realise that THERE WAS A CAT THERE. A CAT IN OUR YARD. Cat made it out, with its tail, but not by much.
actually, it was Little Brothers comment that brought out "hadenough"
Yes, I was the catalyst to this contretemps-- or "instigator", if you prefer. But I appreciate the third-party rebuttals.
This is as good (or bad) time as any to observe that the Eschaton community includes a Democratic bloc and an independent bloc, and the tension between these groups manifests unpleasantly every so often.
The subject of HRC is, IMO, the sorest point of contention. Unflattering or unabashedly absolute anti-HRC news or comments affects those more sympathetic to HRC like fingernails on a blackboard.
Invariably, there is a chorus of censorious complaints that amount to STFU with the Hillary-bashing! It gets old; it's the wrong time; it's counter-productive; it's a slipperly slope to conceding permanent victory to criminal wingnuts, etc.
But those of us in the out-group don't have that reflexive hostility toward non-supportive news or comments about HRC, so the STFU chorus affects us like fingernails on a blackboard. Actually, I can only say affects me that way for sure-- others are welcome to speak for themselves.
When this topic surfaces, I feel like some city guy who wanders into a country-western redneck bar and somehow finds the one hip-hop song loaded by mistake onto the jukebox. Six or seven heads instantly turn my way wearing expressions of powerful annoyance and repugnance, and I feel that if that jukebox doesn't get cut off right quick, my ass is grass.
Smells like Peer-Group Pressure... 
it's gonna be appalling, and horrible...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, tokin' librul
Casinos and whorehouses are the mark of a great civilization.
All this speaking in tongues! Have we just been defeated again?
Al's sell-by date has passed, I fear.
pretty funny post - Terror organisation seeks new weapons
DC Madam:
Between 1994-2000 the MSM could not get enough concerning the possible happening of 3 BJ's to a Dem. 2001-2007 15,000 hand jobs from the DC madam, all so yesterday and phone - numbers to no where...
Decapitation? It’s a cultural thing
All this speaking in tongues! Have we just been defeated again?
(I'm test-driving my translation widget; so far, so good.)
blerb
he was right, and I was wrong, WPP bought B-M in 2001, and Penn sold PBS to WPP in 2005.
That said, Penn is currently the CEO of a firm that has a union busting division, while at the same time running the HRC campaign. Penn's firm has a history of working on regressive and reactionary political campaigns, as well as working for capital formations that are inimical to the intersts of a progressive majority.
Like WGG, I wonder what steps PBS has taken in support of labor rights when working for ATT, Coca-Cola, or BP? I also wonder how a CEO of a firm like B-M will guiide Clinton's position on the still secret Free Trade deal the Dems just negotiated with Bush.
is that substantive enough?
Mostly right, but as a question, it'd be "leebst do" at the start.
rorschach, migozarad | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 12:01 pm...
probably colloquially, it'd be 'do? leebst do...?"
anyway, yeah...
that bar i suggested we meet at, carraros, is the meeting place of the UNM Deutsche/Amerikanische Bund...
on the same nights as our Drinking Lib' meetings...
i'm sometimes tempted to desert...
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Al's sell-by date has passed, I fear.
plantsman, plant geek
And he's always right, which pisses people off.
on the same nights as our Drinking Lib' meetings...
i'm sometimes tempted to desert...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, tokin' librul | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 12:06 pm | #
Tempted to dessert?
Marzipan?
Well, I can't stand That Woman either, but it's got nothing to do with her gender.
You don't go off on spit-flecked invectives about her that sound like you're reading from editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, either...
There's still time for Al to step in. If he wants to.
Her chief strategist didn't work for the company until years after the examples berman sites.The whole thing is crap. From beginning to end. Does that matter?
hadenough
thanks.
I'm going to the plant place by Atlantic Terminal.
I'm going to the plant place by Atlantic Terminal.
HBK, if you live in that part of Brooklyn, my condolences. What's happening to that neighborhood is a crime. Luxury condos uber alles....
When this topic surfaces, I feel like some city guy who wanders into a country-western redneck bar and somehow finds the one hip-hop song loaded by mistake onto the jukebox. Six or seven heads instantly turn my way wearing expressions of powerful annoyance and repugnance, and I feel that if that jukebox doesn't get cut off right quick, my ass is grass.--Little Brother
I love that writing.
is that substantive enough?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari
Yes it was, thank you.
But those of us in the out-group don't have that reflexive hostility toward non-supportive news or comments about HRC, so the STFU chorus affects us like fingernails on a blackboard. Actually, I can only say affects me that way for sure-- others are welcome to speak for themselves.
You don't go off on spit-flecked invectives about her that sound like you're reading from editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, either...
thanks for being so spittle-free, Little Brother. and with that, I'm off to our union's softball game.
and I'm off to the Bowl...
You don't go off on spit-flecked invectives about her that sound like you're reading from editorial page of the Wall Street Journal, either...
dave™© | Homepage | 05.12.07 - 12:09 pm
my distribution of spittle-flecked invective is not limited only to Hillary, alone, but to any pol who wants to piss on my head and swear to me it's raining...
i am relentlessly (samll-c) catholic in the levels and quality of obloquy i employ...
and i do not see how any 'democrat' can in good conscience stand behind a candidate who places her campaign in the hand of an advisor whose loyalties are so clearly opposed to those of the people the democrats assert they represent--or at least whose votes they take so conspicuously for granted...
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The big guns are trained on poor Al. Will he step into the crossfire?
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Smells like Peer-Group Pressure...
Little Brřther
here, have another toke...
Al's sell-by date has passed, I fear.
plantsman, plant geek
No reason to think so - it's pretty well understood that a late entry up to around September/October is more than possible. This early nonsense is just that - early and nonsense.
"give us a couple of excamples of how B/M has gone to bat FOR unions, devoting their considerable political and financial capital to the cause of the poor and the working peiople...
fucking CRICKETS...
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WoodyG'sGuitar, tokin' librul"
Like wise I'm sure.
berman is saying penn is a union buster. I'm not saying penn isn't. Got that? penn could be the most evil union busting bastard in the world. I don't that from reading berman. What I do know is berman is a liar.
berman is saying we should hate penn because he is a union buster. It's up to berman to provide examples. The Bhopal disaster in India happened in 1984! 21 years before b-m bought penn's company and made him ceo of b-m. cintas happened 2 years before that. berman says "Yet Hillary apparently sees no contradiction between her own advocacy, as painted by Penn, and the anti-union, pro-corporate work of her chief strategist's company."
penn didn't work for the compnay until years after the "union busting" examples berman sites. Why can't berman point to something current?
If Al doesn't enter, I completely understand ...
but there's still time. And since there's still time, I still have hope.
traingulator..
Triangle-ulator?
Trilateral Commission-ulator?
Train-gulator sounds like someone who wants multiple trains to collide.
Casey Jones would not approve.
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spinoza,
NTodd's version is definitely better.
Spinosa,
This... This... is truly agoal for a philosopher.
Sheet
Acc. to the NY Times editorial page, Gonzales is widely seen to have done a good job on Capitol Hill, because he smiled the whole time and didn't appear ruffled.
"I also wonder how a CEO of a firm like B-M will guiide Clinton's position on the still secret Free Trade deal the Dems just negotiated with Bush.
is that substantive enough?
mrs. ibrahim al-jafaari"
I wonder too. The 2 of us wondering don't make berman's lies true. What I want are some facts to back up berman's claims about penn. Things that happened years before penn worked for the company don't help. When berman says see what penn's company did. Then I find out penn hadn't worked for the company until years later. I know berman is lying. That doesn't help me get a clear picture of penn.
And klein from TAPPED was gonna call some union heads and see what they said. I'm waiting to see what he posts.
precisely WHO is gonna 'pull the plug' on the biggest employer and richest corpoRat enterprise in the fucking WORLD???
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WoodyG'sGuitar,
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back from my nap.....
that, dear WGG, is the ninety magillion dollar question.
Where do morals find a natural limit.
What is the litmus test for decency?
Who makes the move against the foe that, yes, we have allowed to morph into That Most Terrible?
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