I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
How long will it take for Bush to clean up his own mess?
Or will he leave it for President Dean in '08?
ok, i'll be That Guy tonight.
Frist.
Lord Salaten has a good read on that very subject. Go read his piece in Slate.
No ben, I was that guy.
Or, you know, girl.
Whatever.
when are jenna and not-jenna joining Medicos Sin Fronteras to help the wounded and ill in Iraq?
Oh, darn, the twins were JUST about to sign up when MSF decided to pull out of Iraq today.
Oh well, on to their next idea: body shots with the secret service boys!!
We lost our best chance against Bush. We'll not have a chance in 2008 to run against someone with such a shitty record and, frankly, such a shitty candidate. Say what you will about Bush/Rove, but Bush can barely conceal the fact that he's a drooling imbecile.
Next time we'll be running against his much more "together" brother Jeb. Or that sick fuck Guiulliani, however you spell his fuckin' name.
Truth is I fear they can do a lotta cleanin' up in 4 years. Lots of painting over the mold. Burying the bodies. Burning the records.
And just think what the courts -- not just the Supreme Court, but all of 'em -- are gonna look like.
We'll not recover from this in 2 or 4 years. This set-back will take decades to recover from.
How long will it take for Bush to clean up his own mess?
Please! You cannot be serious.
The man has never taken responsibility for anything in his life.
When the dollar/ economy/country implodes, he will just claim "It was going to happen anyway" or "The Clenis caused it".
Atrios,
I did a bunch of K/E work around Scranton in the last days of the campaign.
How come I didn't see a single goddamn Hoeffel sign anywhere?
Drina,
*kiss*
-asx-
-asx-
don't worry! The whiz kids at Apple are putting together a wireless hack of Diebold. Should be running by the 2006 mid-terms for a test-run.
http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/nov2004/
1/0/000ADF94-E181-1189-B6E080BFB6FA0000.jpg
Recommended: Black Commentator on the election.
http://tinyurl.com/4otgh
We've been talking about that here a lot the last few days.
The only candidate the Reps CAN run is Jeb. And he'll be every bit as punchable as George W. is. Remember, things are going down not up. He'll have to explain why having the majority and getting the Bush agenda through didn't really help anyone.
McCain and Guilani? Better overall human beings, but they don't get the fundies rolling. Unless one of them is prepared to offer the VP to Reed or (literally, heaven help us) Robertson, they're going to have a hard time selling the same shit W has been.
I think we're going to see a very interesting Money v. Faith schism in a few years unless they can find another airheaded uniter not named Bush...
Nah, asx, Bush may be a miserable failure, but he's really really good at one thing: convincing the red-staters that he's just a good ol' Christian boy from Texas. We may see his incompetence, but the rest of them see the phony godliness he's crafted for himself.
In other words, his greatest gift is getting people to believe his crap. And hopefully, the next Republican won't be that good at it.
asx
the repukes will be so rabidly extremist come '08 there's no way guliani will be able to represent them... same with all their other moderate stars they rolled out in order to mask their true agenda. and their psycho-frenzied fundies will not accept moderates, especially if the believe in protecting a woman's right to choose, separation of church and state or civil unions.
Elspi, I'm not saying he won't spin it, or that he won't create a bigger mess. But for now, at least the right wing talking heads can't blame it on Kerry. Thirty seconds after his inauguration Limbaugh would be boasting that the mess in Iraq was Kerry's fault and that he caused the monstrous debt.
Let's put the pressure on.
Does anyone know if there are demonstrations planned for inauguration day in D.C.?
How come I didn't see a single goddamn Hoeffel sign anywhere?
Thersites, I saw some Kerry-Edwards-Hoeffel signs in my local area. Unfortunately I live in Southern Maryland. Strange.
The man has never taken responsibility for anything in his life.
When the dollar/ economy/country implodes, he will just claim "It was going to happen anyway" or "The Clenis caused it".
Ah! Now we get to see exactly how long the CLENIS really is!
OOOOOH!
Drina, I think you are right, but I am damned if I can see how Bush fools anyone. He is so obviously lying.
The man has never taken responsibility for anything in his life.
When the dollar/ economy/country implodes, he will just claim "It was going to happen anyway" or "The Clenis caused it".
elspi
I'm actually more worried about that guy Bush doesn't think about much about...you know, that guy who killed 3,000 Americans - the same one Bush promised to get dead or alive but quit talking about for three years until he appeared on TV last week?
How come I didn't see a single goddamn Hoeffel sign anywhere?
Yeah, sad lack of Hoeffel signs in Philly too. I spoke to a Pennsylvanian at the Kerry/Clinton rally who was really pissed at the lack of support from the Dem party for Hoeffel.
Orbitron,
Bush fooled half of the people that voted. All he has to do is stand up and say "morality" and every 700 Club watcher is hooked.
ST04LEN
I'm actually more worried about that guy Bush doesn't think about much about...you know, that guy who killed 3,000 Americans - the same one Bush promised to get dead or alive but quit talking about for three years until he appeared on TV last week?
Oh, no, don't worry about me. I'm happy as a clam directing my little operation here in the Cayman Islands.
Do you know what kind of a tax break I got for setting up shop here? It ought to be illegal. Really!
You can't fool all of the people all of the time. Of course, you don't have to, just half of them will do.
Riverbend has a new post up. She sends condolences.
Drina, I know he does it -- there was that survey a while back that showed that a huge segment of Bush's supporters thought he was in favor of the Kyoto Accord and the International Criminal Court, for example, and had other equally false notions about his position on other issues. But I don't see how he does it, how he manages to get people to ignore facts that are staring them in the face.
Mars?
Fuck
Orb,
It's all psychology... some of us change our views when confronted with conflicting information while others igmore the information and stubbornly hold on to beliefs.
Guess which ones supported Bush last Tuesday.
McCain and Guilani? Better overall human beings, but they don't get the fundies rolling. Unless one of them is prepared to offer the VP to Reed or (literally, heaven help us) Robertson, they're going to have a hard time selling the same shit W has been.
McCain, Guiliani and yes, even Arnie, are GOP fluff girls. They'll be trotted out and used when it's necessary to get someone excited, but that's it - they'll never be respected or taken seriously on matters of policy.
You have to wonder why these men allow themselves to be used in such an ingratiating manner.
We'll not recover from this in 2 or 4 years. This set-back will take decades to recover from.
If, of course, you consider it a set-back. It could just be four years of nothing, to end with US disgust for all things republican.
You know, look on the bright side: I used to be a pariah outside of the Taliban and the mujahadeen, but now I can travel the world and find any number of muslims who will help me.
I'm even benefitting from Bush's faith-based initiatives!
And when I was in Michigan last week I even got to vote for the anti-gay amendment.
Life is pretty good for me under President Bush; 4 more years!
hey all,
Here's the upside to Bush's win:
Had he been 'unelected', he would have been able to slither away, unpunished for his malice. Now we have the opportunity to bust ass for the mid-terms in order to impeach and convict That will be sweet. Imagine the whole lot of them actually having to be accountable (at last) and marched off in shackels.
Feel free to spread the word and work hard for the mid-terms. I truly believe that His Incompetenceness will give us *much* material to work with...
$
I see the Shrub's first order of business will be to cap medical malpractice awards per Der Fuehrer's press conference this afternoon. A couple questions here, since there are no federal laws on medical malpractice, it is purely a matter of state law, what ever happened to federalism with these strange breed of GOPers?
Also, I thought the issue was these damn "frivolous lawsuits"? I won't mention the fact civil court filings nationwide are lower today than anytime in 40 years, but besides that, caps don't compute to me. So, how do caps deal with "frivolous" suits...I mean if some damages are being awarded, enough so its high enough they must be capped, isn't that by definition NOT frivolous? If we get to the point a jury has decided negligence and is computing damages, frivolity is no longer an issue. Or am I missing something?
Ahhhh.....Republicans, where will it stop?
GDoyle
I disagree with the statement that Guliani is a better overall human being than Jeb Bush. As someone who lived in his city while he was mayor I can state that he is the most racially divisive mayor we ever had. And I've lived in NYC my whole life.
The rest of the coutnry saw his 9-11 performance, which was incredible. But what they didn't see is him standing up for cops who killed and tortured innocent black people. The fact that he never addressed a single black church or met with a black leader in his tenure. They also didn't see him trying to stop a mayoral election after 9-11 because he was term limited. He wanted to stay on, and we survived with a new administration. He was a rabid bitter racist mayor.
If I had to choose which repub would rule me, I'd take Jeb over Guiliani any day of the week.
Speaking of psychology, the "belief in a just world" hypothesis explains a lot.
How about showing a little love for Kerry for resisting Clinton's urging to back the antigay intitiatives in the states? For all his faults as a politician, Kerry will always be the better man than Bill.
You know what? Bu$h fans are a facsist lot. Worship of military, torture, shredding of Genieva Conventions, hate disguised as Religious zeal, and denial of reality.
You cannot tell me the election wasn't stolen. I don't believe that America represents these *values*.
I disagree with 'trios. There is one thing we all can do.
Okay, questions of vote fraud notwithstanding, Americans supposedly want this guy, and all that he stands for.
That so many didn't even bother to vote gives tacit consent.
So let's call a spade a spade everyone.
It's not social security reform. It's social security privatization, and it begins now.
People apparently don't like the term privatization, nor the idea. Well, they just got it. It's time to inform them of what they wrought.
Be dispassionate about it. Likely some will be happy to hear about this. Some really did want this.
It's not time to be acriomonious or say "I told you so." For those of us who enjoy such things, that can come later.
But it's time to inform those in the non-reality based community what Bush stands for, and the time is now.
Social security privatization begins. Especially tell seniors who voted for Bush.
Do not be acrimonious. Let buyer's remorse set in on its own.
The time to start getting the truth out is now.
folks, it's hopeless. Let's just crawl in a hole and wait for the rapture.
rocket,
That link was a sad, sick thing. Gonna go soak my head.
Look, he's a thug, he's against the bill of rights, he's terrible on civil liberties, he was border line racist as mayor of NY - but let's learn to spell his name -
G I U L I A N I
Italian deserves a little respect
I've always found the unceasing celebration of the "Big Dog" on these threads a little creepy. Here's a good example why. At least it speaks well of Kerry.
From the upcoming Newsweek:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/0411.../
nyth186_1.html
"Looking for a way to pick up swing voters in the Red States, former President Bill Clinton, in a phone call with Kerry, urged the Senator to back local bans on gay marriage. Kerry respectfully listened, then told his aides, 'I'm not going to ever do that.'"
I wonder when Democrats are going to pull their head out of the sand and pay attention to me when picking their next candidate.
Last 40 years..
Winners = Johnson, Carter, Clinton
Losers = McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry
Now what can we learn from that, if we are willing to be honest with ourselves.
If the Dems put Reid in charge of their senate caucus,THey can forget ever gaining power again.I will forever be doubtful they have my best intrest at heart.
I can't spell for shit. Sorry. It's the millionth time I spelled it wrong this week. I wrote a letter to the editor about his "blame the troops" stance earlier this week.
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My stomach didn't ache all day today, and my migraine went away last night. And then I caught a clip of the press whipping.
Gawd are when in for a world of shit. I've been working until just now, so I haven't read what are undoubtedly the excellent go-forward suggestions posted here.
What I think the election cycle made clear is that we can raise the cash. When they start the Social Security raid for Wall Street, we need to support ads like those the insurance industry sponsored to sink Clinton's health care proposal. Target districts of vurnerable candidates.
BBC asked Americans why they voted for Bush and their answers are here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...int/
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The incredible thing to me about this election is the fact that only 17% of youngsters voted. WTF? It's not like they are uneffected by this gov. or that they weren't courted or their future wasn't a stake.
Maybe it has to crash down upon them and all the other slobs in swing States and the South that keep voting for their own destruction before they crawl back to the Dems. begging them to save them from themselves!
"President Bill Clinton, in a phone call with Kerry, urged the Senator to back local bans on gay marriage. Kerry respectfully listened, then told his aides, 'I'm not going to ever do that.'" "
But I thought Kerry did come out against gay marriage (though against the amendment and in favor of civil unions).
Check this out:
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
Numbers in Florida are so obviously bogus it's painful to look at. Pull the 27 electoral from dubya and where does that leave him?
what a sick joke this world is.
bigvic, 60 percent of people 30 and under voted, a record. They were 17 percent of the total vote.
jasin, "local bans": i.e., the 11 initiatives that passed on Tuesday, the state equivalents of the federal constitutional amendment.
Muons,
I strongly associate myself with your post.
What Rick said.
"The incredible thing to me about this election is the fact that only 17% of youngsters voted."
By the time this gets posted, somebody will have probably already pointed this out, but I'm pretty sure that's not correct.
If I'm not mistaken, 17% is the percentage of the overall voters that were young people, which is about normal. E.g., senior citizens were probably like 20% or whatever.
I'm fairly certain that it is not the case that only 17% of young people turned out.
Winners = Johnson, Carter, Clinton
Losers = McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry
Sure, History, but dontcha think Cuomo would have made a decent president?
"jasin, "local bans": i.e., the 11 initiatives that passed on Tuesday, the state equivalents of the federal constitutional amendment.
"
Right, but given that he was already on record as being against gay marriage, why not endorse these? In fact I think he even said he was in favor of amending the Mass. state constitution to ban gay marriage.
I don't understand why all of a sudden at a local level he refuses to go against gay marriage as a matter of principle.
Not criticizing Kerry -- Kerry is now and will always be one of my biggest heros, and this is coming from a former Nader voter -- but really wondering.
Winners = Johnson, Carter, Clinton
Losers = McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry
Sure, History, but dontcha think Cuomo would have made a decent president?
Stunt Woman
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Nope, because he would have never won.
Atrios owes his loyal readers an apology. His 'stay tuned' thread this afternoon exploited us. After all we have been through this week, we didn't need that stunt pulled on us.
I am the only reader upset over this?
Even if everything doesn't blow up in W's face by '08--which is not the way I'm betting--the Rethugs may not run Jeb then. I've heard it asserted that W himself has said he doesn't want to be the middle of a Bush presidential sandwich. Of course, I'm not sure whom they would run instead. McCain and Giuliani probably *are* too moderate for the winguts.
jasin,
I would die happy if you are correct, but that is the stat given to all elligible voters between the ages of 18 to 24.
Sick. I worked my ass off signing this age group up and had some success, since I personally drove a few of them to the poll to vote. That was a really beautiful, and apparently rare thing.
via Charles Meier:
"My Current Electoral Prediction: After the provisional ballots are counted in Ohio, Kerry will win Ohio by 537 votes thereby proving that God does indeed exist and that She has a great sense of humor."
Fuck, young people came out in DROVES!
Read all about it:
story
You wanna blame somebody, blame the 30-39 year old white men, who fellated Bush in droves.
Outside the Echo Chamber-
Nice! Favorite quote from your link before I had to puke:
I voted for Bush because his political policies are most like my own. I voted for Bush in rejection of the corruption of the elite media. I voted for Bush in rejection of the vast corruption in the UN. I voted for Bush in rejection of fashionable politics with no substance. I voted for Bush because there is a time for diplomacy and he understands when that is.
Just a little embarrassing that Bush voters are allowed to communicate with the BBC. Man...
Check it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/
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History | Email | Homepage | 11.05.04 - 12:31 am | #
That's a load of shit.
Both Carter and Clinton were ruinous for the Democratic Party - accomodationists who ran against Democratic principles moreso than embracing them.
Carter owed his election to Watergate more than anything. Carter was constantly at war with the liberal and moderate wings of the party, so much so that he prompted a primary challenge from Kennedy in 1980. Carter initiated supply side economics. Carter coddled dictators like the Shah of Iran and the Somoza regime in Nicaragua. Finally, Carter's poorly-planned hostage rescue attempt created the image of Democrats as militarily weak to this very day. Results matter.
Bill Clinton won with a plurality in 1992 and 1996. No Perot - no President Clinton. Bill signed death warrants to look butch during the 1992 campaign. Bill Clinton advocated NAFTA and GATT, arguably doing more to break the back of organized labor and the middle class than Reagan did with the PATCO strike. Clinton single-penisedly reinforced the image of Democrats as immoral liars who will say anything to the public. Most disasterously, Clinton not only failed to engage in party building, he actually triangulated AGAINST the Congressional Democrats during his 1996 run. The Senate, House and most governorships and state houses were Democratic upon Clinton's arrival on the scene. By the time he left, all of that was gone. Yes, we held the Senate for two years, thanks only to Sen. Jeffords.
The last great Democratic Presidents were John F. Kennedy of MASSACHUSETTS and Franklin Delano Roosevelt of NEW YORK. They BUILT the Democratic Party instead of shitting on it for their own personal gain.
Who are we running in 2008?
Don't tell me Dean or Hillary. We need to win this election. Bill Richarson, maybe? Get the Hispanic vote. I think it will still be too early for Barack Obama or Harold Ford, Jr. I can't remember the name of the woman who is governor of Michigan, but I saw her on Bill Maher recently and I was very impressed with her.
Food for liberal thought:
If I may, two short stories:
We rescue animals. One of my good Christian repug neighbors saw me with a dog I was trying to place and said someone should paste a picture of a lollipop (sucker) on my door. I smiled and said I was just being a good Christian and feeding the hungry. Wiped the grin off her face immediately. Stopped her dead in her tracks.
I went to a protest at a baseball game against a college player who kidnapped and skinned a live cat. He enjoyed the "boys will be boys" mantra from the powers that be and went off to play his next game. The people attending the game laughed at all the signs until they reached mine at the end which said "What would Jesus think?" Wiped the smiles right off their faces. Stopped them dead in their tracks.
They stopped smirking and thought about it. I was speaking their language in a civil way. I repeat: THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. It was effective.
By the way, I am not a Christian, but my values and morals are just fine, thank you.
"Who are we running in 2008?"
Chomsky/Zinn !!
Phredd,
Why the disconnect between the reporting (HAH!) and the alleged facts? I don't get it. Really. What explains the stark difference?
I laugh everytime I hear someone mention Hillary as the 2008 candidate: it's a 100% accurate indicator you're talking to a dittohead. They're more afraid of her than they are of Saddam-osama.
Now when I hear that, I love to say, "No, Obama" just do I can watch them shit their diapies.
Moronic brownshirt fucks.
BBC asked Americans why they voted for Bush and their answers are here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talki...int/
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Outside the Echo Chamber | Email | Homepage | 11.05.04 - 12:33 am
Here are a couple: It's pretty much what you think.
1. I voted for Bush because his political policies are most like my own. I voted for Bush in rejection of the corruption of the elite media. I voted for Bush in rejection of the vast corruption in the UN. I voted for Bush in rejection of fashionable politics with no substance. I voted for Bush because there is a time for diplomacy and he understands when that is.
Shante' Fosket, Chesapeake, VA
2. Because he doesn't believe that our foreign policy needs a global test. Europe needs to get on board with us or get left behind!
Ben Rice, Chambersburg, Pennsylvania
3. I voted for George W Bush because he has a moral compass and a strong faith in the living God and these things are evident by his words, actions and deeds and they resonate with my heart. It does not matter how intelligent you are if you're wise in your own eyes and it doesn't matter how well you are able to speak if your words are clanging cymbals but it does matter who you worship and serve. You are unable to lead and serve others if you do not serve God first.
Penny, USA
dusty,
wow
For anybody (everybody) who is feeling like crap about this whole debacle right now, David Rees of "Get Your War On" fame has this to say to us.
Obama is the only one we should even consider in '08.
At least that I can think of right now.
Really, who could possibly be a better choice?
Although I suppose it probably does depend to some extent on what Obama does over the next four years. Not much though.
Jasin,
I would be more scared of Chomsky/Zinn than I would be of Bush/Cheney.
Comparing the Dems appeal to the masses to the repugs' mass-appeal goes somethin' like this:
The repugs are like a wild credit card spending and gambling spree in Vegas with all of its delerium and euphoria and joyous excess. Yippeee!!
The Dems are like washing the dishes, taking out the trash, grocery shopping, fixing the garage door,
taking the kids to the doctor, etc etc
Not as much fun, but necessary and more sensible. Ahem!
The average American clearly prefers the Vegas spree over taking care of basic everyday needs (how boring!).
The cure can only come when the
bill finally arrives.
And arrive it will, eventually.
We should have nominated Dean anyway. Theres not state Kerry won that Dean couldn't have taken too.
At least we had a chance for a change in leadership. Let's face it guys, the current ;leadership is too weak. They don't have any blood lust. They aren't mean enough. They're nice guys and gals and all, but the stomache for it. Harry Reid doesn't either. We need cruel, immoral bastards. Politics isn't a gentlemans sport.
Chomsky is scheduled to be on Bill Mahr tomorrow.
Chomsky's a nut.
"
We should have nominated Dean anyway. Theres not state Kerry won that Dean couldn't have taken too.
"
Damn, now that I think about it, that's probably true.
Salesmanship, and a sense of "political commercialism" was obviously a huge factor Tuesday.
As has been said, the simple message beats the complex one, for many,
many Americans.
Kerry offered up a piano concerto, but was "outsold" by the Republicans'
"Jeremiah Was a Bullfrog..."--A nice simple hook, repeated ad-infinitum.
For us 1970s Prog Rock fans it was deja vu, and as clear as day:
"Disco outsells Gentle Giant."
I sincerely did not mean to equate young voters with the corn fed hick slobs in *red* states. That was anger seeping into fact.
So tell me "S in Mich", what lessons are to be learned from Carter and Clinton (your little diatribe notwithstanding). The fact that they found these things necessary to win speaks volumes. The fact that those who refuse to "sink to that level" lose every time, speaks volumes more.
Again, put your biases aside and look at reality for what it is. Are you going to learn from the past and possibly win the next election? Or repeat the same mistake and lose yet again.
You know, one definition of insanity is someone who keeps doing the same thing, time and time again, in hopes of a different result.
"Chomsky's a nut."
Don't want to get into a war over Chomsky here, but he is one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century.
Chomsky was protesting the Vietnam war before ANYBODY was. Before most people even knew it was going on.
And Chomsky gives the best critique I've read of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al and the aspirations of empire.
I will never understand why people always say Chomsky is a "nut". Ever actually read his stuff? He is one of the coolest, most rational thinkers I have ever encountered.
Anytime he debates anyone, he absolutely SHREDS them. It's fun to watch.
OldGold30:
I'm not so sure about Atrios owing anybody an apology. But I was a bit disappointed in what resulted from all the waiting for "something's coming."
However, I mostly blame myself - grasping at straws.
But yeah, it upset me. I'm not upset at Atrios, though. It's a good thing that maybe some of the party powerful will pick up the Dean/blogosphere/fundraising ball and run with it.
Bigvic,
This stupid meme about 'the youth didn't come out' started before the counting was over, spread through the minor media, and then to the blogs before sunup. It drives me nuts when people start citing instant numbers when no one could possibly know. I think even Kos fell for it the first day. Josh Marshall too.
Then of course, someone had the chance to run a few frequencies on the numbers and by gourd, everyone was wrong.
But ya gotta blame someone doncha, and why not the young?
Well, I worked the polls and I saw them come out, and with fire in their eyes, and helped the first-timers along the way, and in the precincts I worked, I KNEW that was wrong. They stepped up to the plate despite being disenfranchised because of the Tshirts they wore, and hassled by cops and big fat republicans, and stood in line for 10 fuckin hours to vote.
And then it was stolen anyway. god DAMN!
Atrios,
You need to put up a post on the Florida #'s. They are obviously not
correct and somebody above mentioned statistically impossible. The #'s were mostly with the diebold machines. Nevada uses these as well.
If there was a problem with the machine and people voted for Kerry, but the vote went for Bush, don't you think we ought to be fighting this. If we don't then this will happen in every single election. What good is planning 06' if the votes don't count. Please find the time to look into this. For our own sanity.
Jasin:
It would not be very difficult for the GOP to demonize Chomsky as a "nut". I don't think he is crazy, but it sure wouldn't take much to convince most Murkans that he is evil personified.
Hell, if they can make a Vietnam war hero look like a Communist traitor, what could we do to stop them?
On the wingnut website WorldNetDaily they are theorizing that Arafat has AIDS. I wonder if he's actually dead yet. That will be a strange funeral. Which world leaders will be attending that?
"the youth didn't count" crap was the only way the media could explain why Kerry's #'s weren't higher. They know from the exit polls that the election was stolen again.
"It would not be very difficult for the GOP to demonize Chomsky as a "nut". "
Oh, I know. I was just taking a little visit to fantasyland.
How about Obama/Dean '08?
meme is right though; no point in running campaigns if the fucking voting is rigged.
You know, one definition of insanity is someone who keeps doing the same thing, time and time again, in hopes of a different result.
History | Email | Homepage | 11.05.04 - 12:59 am | #
That's true. The DLC came about in 1985. Other than the presidency, the Democrats ran this country. The Senate, the House, Governorships, State Legislatures.
Are you going to learn from the past and possibly win the next election?
Yes, stop trying to game the electorate and stand up for what you fucking believe in. 70% of the country favored stem cell research. Bush stood up and opposed it, said he knew he was in the minority, but that's what he believed. He's sitting in the fucking White House right now.
I have read some Chomsky. It's just not for me. I don't think that greatest nuclear threat to the world is Israel. He was claiming that if Israel was forced to give up East Jerusalem that they would use their stockpile of nukes to detonate the world in some sort of suicidal protest. That's nuts.
Man, the more I think about it, the more I think meme might be right about the election being stolen.
Doesn't add up. The vote totals don't match any of the pre-election polls, in addition to the exit polls.
Not that the polls are perfect. But it was striking to me that Bush wasn't topping 50% in any of them, but come Nov. 2 he manages a full 51%.
(n.b.: NOT implying that 51% is a very impressive margin; Bush has no man date!)
We need cruel, immoral bastards. Politics isn't a gentlemans sport.
Yes. The kind that smile and draw you in with their charm... then slip and twist the knife.
Most of the Bush supporters interviewed by the BBC mentioned moral values as a reason for voting for Bush, but as usual they never explain what they mean. I always want to ask these people if they believe that dropping bombs on children is a moral act.
"Most of the Bush supporters interviewed by the BBC mentioned moral values as a reason for voting for Bush, but as usual they never explain what they mean. I always want to ask these people if they believe that dropping bombs on children is a moral act."
I was prattling on about this in an early post, so apologies.
"Moral values" is a code word for bigotry and hatred. "Moral values" means: I hate fags. I hate niggers. Nuke all the ragheads.
When they say they are voting based on moral values, they mean they are voting for whoever shares the same irrational prejudices they do.
Why were the exit polls all inaccurate in favoring Kerry? I don't get it. Why weren't any of them giving Bush an incorrect lead?
Clinton - Blow job
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Giuliani - Adulterer
Ahhhhnold - Serial Ass Grabber
Gingrich - Adulterer
Limbaugh - Junkie
Cheney - Loves his dead gay daughter
Neil Bush - Adulterer/ thief/ Suckie, suckie five dolla, we love him long time
Chenoweth - Adulterer
Hyde - Adulterer
Barr - Adulterer
Jack Ryan - Public sex clubs
Starr - Pornographer
O'Reilly - Indiscretions involving falafel/ Hey baby, why don't you put down that pipe and get my pipe up?
If they're the "moral" party now... sign me up! Sounds like quite a party on their side.
melior:
link? (on the Charles Meier thing)
Who's up for hitting a few casinos to celebrate victory?
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Why were the exit polls all inaccurate in favoring Kerry? I don't get it. Why weren't any of them giving Bush an incorrect lead?
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I have yet to hear a good explanation for this.
One theory is that all the anti-Bush voters were so pumped that they all went to the polls first thing in the morning, so the early exit polls were skewed.
I don't know about this. NOBODY, I promise you, hates Bush more than I do, and I didn't vote until 5:30. My partner is second only to me in her hatred of Bush, and she didn't vote until 6:00.
Anecdotal, yes, but then again the hypothesis is anecdotal itself, and mostly speculative.
Phredd,
Gol damned! Calm down. I'm asking a legitimante question. I was going nuts to get out the *youth* vote and worked my ass off in this election.
Frankly, in my hometown I saw precious little youth vote at the polls. And I was at a pretty fair number of them in my city. There were some, but not a very reasuring number of young voters at any of the polls I drove folks to. I'm telling you what I saw with my own eyes.
Also, a casual view of voters in long lines does not appear to support your contention
I don't blame you for being defensive, but don't tell me what my lying eyes tell me. Prove it.
Phredd,
Gol damned! Calm down. I'm asking a legitimante question. I was going nuts to get out the *youth* vote and worked my ass off in this election.
Frankly, in my hometown I saw precious little youth vote at the polls. And I was at a pretty fair number of them in my city. There were some, but not a very reasuring number of young voters at any of the polls I drove folks to. I'm telling you what I saw with my own eyes.
Also, a casual view of voters in long lines does not appear to support your contention
I don't blame you for being defensive, but don't tell me what my lying eyes tell me. Prove it.
My guess is that Cheney will retire for "health reasons" about one year into Bush's second term (which term Bush will have, because G. Hood in Florida and K. Blackwell in Ohio will "disappear" any inconveniently numerous Kerry votes among the provisional and absentee ballots). Cheney will be replaced with Jeb, who will thus have several years of "national experience" when the 2008 elections roll around. By that time, everyone will have forgotten Columba's contretemps (her attempt to sneak $10,000 worth of Paris fashions into the U.S. without declaring them or paying duty), Noelle's drug problems (they'll clean the poor thing up enough to trot her out at a few campaign events, a la Mary Cheney), and George P's unhappy brush with the police (for stalking his ex-girlfriend and damaging some of her parents' property). Considering the Bushrovians' success at eliding the details of Dubya's National Guard record, these little peccadillos should not present a P.R. challenge for them. Running mate for Jeb? Ken Blackwell. When a reporter asked Blackwell if he was worried that the provisional and/or absentee ballots in Ohio would make him this year's Katherine Harris, he replied that she was rewarded with a seat in Congress. So, he'll run for the House and win in 2006 and then be tapped for Jeb's VP in 2008. A nice, neat, little bundle of perfidious political sleaze.
Here's a link for your "values" friends in red states:
http://www.bushisantichrist.com
Book of Apocalypse stuff that attempts to explain the Bush dynasty. If they really believe Bush is the Pope they may eat this up. They did vote for the Pope didn't they?
NOBODY, I promise you, hates Bush more than I do, and I didn't vote until 5:30. My partner is second only to me in her hatred of Bush,
Wanna bet?
bigvic,
i wasn't ranting at you. It is all the work everyone did to get them interested in this campaign, with success, and then the outcome. Not directed at you or your comment at all.
Here ya go:
story
On Wednesday most of the network news organizations were reporting that the reason that the early exit polls were showing a Kerry surge was that women, blacks and young people were the first to go to the polls.
I don't know bigvic, I've got an enormous amount of hatred in me!
I would kill Bush in a second if I actually thought it would change anything, which it wouldn't.
"Moral values" is a code word for bigotry and hatred. "Moral values" means: I hate fags. I hate niggers. Nuke all the ragheads.
Doy!!! Don't forget the *Sand Niggers*.
These fuckers are swollen with hate and don't know how to direct it.
Bigvic, here's a pdf on youth turnout.
Today I heard one of my undergrads repeating the "At least you know where Bush stands" line, and I wanted to tear his head off.
I am especially sick of that particular talking point. Because people actually DON'T know where Bush stands. See the polls that show how many of his supporters think that he supports federal funding for stem cell research, for including the UN in the reconstruction of Iraq, etc. etc.
Everyone, here is your first call to action in preparation for 2006: Go tell your Democratic congressman you love them. They need us to give them a backbone right now, because the media is amplifying the republican spin big time.
Read the Call to Action post (link with name), then go do it. tommypain.blogspot.com
One addition to my previous post: George P's performance at this year's Repub convention indicates that he is being groomed to take his "rightful" place in the Bush dynasty. He's handsome, straight, slightly ethnic (George H.W. famously referred to G.P. and Noelle as "the little brown ones"), speaks perfect Spanish courtesy of his mother, and possesses a sharp, if coldly calculating, intelligence. The Bushrovians could be planning this scenario: Jeb in 2008 and 2012--and George P in 2016 and 2020.
I must stop thinking about this.
Posted this elsewhere, but thought I'd run the idea by people here.
Here's my view of what Dems should do, to position themselves for victories in 2006 and beyond.
Don't resist the spin that the Christian Right was responsible for Bush's win. Instead, push that very angle. Let it be known and accepted that Bush owes his very Presidency to the Christian Right, to Falwell and Robertson. Point out again and again that they were the ones who enabled him to win, and now they own him: he is their creature.
Why should we do this? Because, in fact, the Christian Right is NOT popular with many Americans who would otherwise be inclined to vote for Bush. That is why Bush was so very careful in his language whenever he talked about the issues of civil unions, and on abortion generally. By identifying him with them, he will take on the stink of the Falwell and Robertson in a way he can't wash out with any kind of weasel words.
This election gives us an opportunity to paint Bush in a very damaging way -- we would be fools not to try to exploit it.
Thats all I've heard from Bush supporters since Tuesday, "At least you know where he stands." So when I ask them what they mean specifically they all give the same platitudes about "family values" and the war on terror. Nothing else is important to them. If you question them further they start getting pissed.
Soprano,
You just freaked me out far more than the apocalypse stuff or the completely unexplainable Florida vote. Bush 4ever... Freaky. Please stop pondering that one.
Bush gained 198222 votes in Ohio's e-voting Counties from 2000!
http://www.primordium.org/index....index.php?
p=173
"Looking for a way to pick up swing voters in the Red States, former President Bill Clinton, in a phone call with Kerry, urged the Senator to back local bans on gay marriage. Kerry respectfully listened, then told his aides, 'I'm not going to ever do that.'"
That Newsweek squib really says it all, doesn't it?
Yeah, all the centrists are willing to toss gays overboard to get elected (but they'll take our money when dialing for dollars). Thanks, Bill. At least Kerry had a line he was not willing to cross.
Pam's House Blend
The fix was in. Ohio and Florida delivered by Diebold! About as surprising as Wyoming going red...
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Don't resist the spin that the Christian Right was responsible for Bush's win. Instead, push that very angle.
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Very much agreed. This makes it at least an honest fight. We're losing anyway; might as well go ahead and make it fundies v. "secularists".
(Incidentally, I would probably include many religious people in the second category, just not the ones for whom religion is politics and vice versa.)
Plus, such a battle favors our side in the long run. Despite the impression one gets from the media, church attendance is on the decline. People are getting less and less religious, not more.
If we can paint the REpubs as the party of the religious fundamentalists, in 20 years THEY will be the permanent minority party.
Just wanted to share something I learned this evening. While checking out at a local discount store, I was joking about the election with my friend. I told the woman behind the register that I was a Kerry supporter and quite unhappy about the turn of events. She then told me about a co-worker's husband who, after sitting up all night watching the election returns, committed suicide. He had been laid off from work and recently purchased a house. I was absolutely stunned. I don't know his mental health history, but to learn a citizen of this country was so distraught by America's current economic crisis that he would take his own life is an outrage. Especially when all I have heard from the media in the last 48 hours is morality and more morality. I guess he felt, as millions of others did, that with Kerry & Edwards hope WAS on the way and Bush's victory meant all hope was lost. Have the times truly grown so very desperate?
So it goes in the red states.
In fact, we should turn it in to an all-out Red v. Blue war.
Or, we can keep listening to Terry Mc., Bob Shrum, Paul Begala, etc.
That's working out just wonderfully, isn't it?
Civil War II: This time it's for keeps!
The Newsweek story doesn't surprise me at all. I thought Kerry was the most honest and decent man to run in my lifetime, and I remember them all back to Kennedy.
Don't want to get into a war over Chomsky here, but he is one of the most important thinkers of the 20th century.
-snip-
Anytime he debates anyone, he absolutely SHREDS them. It's fun to watch.
Watching him tear Bill Buckley a brand new asshole was great fun indeed. Not sure he'll be able to say much though, given the format of Maher's show.
The wingnut this week is Andrew Sullivan. It'll be reeeeeal interesting to hear his take on the red-state, God-hates-fags, Moral Values that won the election for his boy.
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"She then told me about a co-worker's husband who, after sitting up all night watching the election returns, committed suicide. "
I came closer to considering this kind of thing than I would have thought.
I, like so many others, allowed myself to hope this time. I should have known the good guys never win.
Not easy to live in a country where you are surrounded by the kind of people who look at 9/11, recession, Iraq, radical right-wing courts, etc. and like what they see.
Andrew Sullivan endorsed Kerry
Jasin, move to a blue state if possible. I don't think I could take that either.
Let the vulture soar
From Iraq to Gitmo's floor
From Reverend Moon to KKK
Let the vulture find its way
Let the vulture fly
with a black tear on its eye
But the tear is really oil
And America's pants are soiled
Let the vulture rule
For Bush & Rove, you're just a tool
And your freedom now is toast
Even as the rightwing boasts
So let the vulture soar
Black is white and less is more
As 2+2 becomes 13
The USA is Rove's latrine
(to be continued upon my release
from the liberal
re-education & concentration camp)
My dear, dear Young-uns.
I love you dearly. I want you to vote no matter what. I embrase your right to cast your vote as you see fit. I want you're ballot to count.
WHEN AND IF THIS GOAL IS MET, i'LL BE A HAPPY CITIZEN.
Could you posssibly disagree?
Andrew Sullivan endorsed Kerry
I heard him come out for Bush, citing the war on terra.
Maybe he's a flip-flopper.
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I want to mention that over at Kos there's mention that even Dick Morris thinks the discrepancy between the exit polls and the results is odd. But he thinks the polls are wrong.
Bush gained 198222 votes in Ohio's e-voting Counties from 2000!
http://www.primordium.org/index....index.php?
p=173
"She then told me about a co-worker's husband who, after sitting up all night watching the election returns, committed suicide. "
I came closer to considering this kind of thing than I would have thought.
You'll miss all the fun if you snuff it. Stick around. These Neo-Nazis are going to eat shit big time.
Guaranteed.
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Fixed - The Stealing of Another Election (Democratic Underground.com) --by EarlG --Kerry winning Exit Polls --"FRAUD LOOKS PROBABLE --SoCalDem has done a statistical analysis... ...on several swing states, and EVERY STATE that has EVoting but no paper trails has an unexplained advantage for Bush of around +5% when comparing exit polls to actual results. In EVERY STATE that has paper audit trails on their EVoting, the exit poll results match the actual results reported within the margin of error. So, we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits vs. A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits."
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I thought it was the end of the world when Regan was elected in 1980, but life goes on. There are almost as many of us as there are of them.
Don't resist the spin that the Christian Right was responsible for Bush's win. Instead, push that very angle.
Of course they were.
Obviously, the god-botherers are seeking to bring about the Rapture in the quickest way they see available: by supporting the one man on the ballot who most closely fits the biblical descriptions of the antichrist. By helping to elevate him to power, they accelerate the spread of chaos and death, and the battle of Armageddon.
And, yes, this is the response I'll be using whenever someone tells me they voted for Nero because he is "a man of faith" or "doing God's will" or some other such horseshit. You can't really fight fire with fire, but when someone flings equine feces at you, what can you do but shoot it right back at them?
Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. Suicide is bad karma; I'd probably be reincarnated as George Bush III.
What's really depressing about this election, especially, is that it stands to have an impact well beyond the next four years. Bush might get the chance to appoint FOUR SC justices before his worthless ass finally goes back to TX permanently.
SOmebody tell Ginsburg, et al to hold on for a few more years!
There are almost as many of us as there are of them.
Actually, it would seem that there are quite a few more of us since so many of them only exist as statistically improbable electrons in a voting machine's database.
When Nixon was reelected, everyone in DC knew--from Woodward and Bernstein--about the Watergate scandals, but no mention was made in other papers throughout the country. It took quite a while to bring him down. Karl Rove may be a genius at manipulating a mob and buying elections, but he's just the stage designer at other times. He'll be working on 2006 from last Wednesday at 5:31 AM. Meanwhile, they're losing in Iraq, and the stock market bump is a pimple. Convincing voters that they've succeeded is not the same thing as success. If they really are, as we believe, incompetent, then the crash is coming. They (and bin Laden) have made our economy extremely vulnerable, and one of their mistakes may well precipitate a withdrawal of foreign funds from our markets. Bush may understand "business"--as in wheeling and dealing to scam the public into buying your product and striking payoff deals in back rooms--but bin Laden understands economics! The best laid plans of mice and Bushes "oft gang astray".
"" So, we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits vs. A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.""
If this is true this is HUGE!!!!
Have you all had a chance to read the "unedited" english transcripts of OBL?
no Anon
do you have a link or a recap?
LANDSLIDE!
I think everyone needs to laugh. Read Bush's real acceptance speech.
While they truly enjoy hearing us whine and snivel, remember that nothing gets the NeoCons angrier than people laughing at them. (Well, other than their tax dollars going to help someone down on their luck, that is.)
I'd rather be happy. It just feels better.
Also: remember that Hitler looked completely invincible to those Good Germans back in the day. They overreached and went down in flames.
These fuckers will go down in flames, too. I'm gonna have a front-row seat. The popcorn will taste good. I can't wait.
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Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer
“We have one country, one Constitution and one future that binds us.”
About 45 million registered voters are expected to cast a ballot on touch-screen systems, which have been touted by election officials as a way to avoid a repeat of the messy recount battle touched off by antiquated punch-card systems in Florida four years ago.
Computer scientists say the machines are prone to the glitches and security holes all too familiar to home-computer users.
The controversy has prompted some states to postpone upgrades until after the election, even though the federal government has earmarked $3.9 billion for that purpose.
The most common complaint was that machines had recorded votes improperly. Most said they were able to go back and fix the problem, a feature that ITAA's Cohen said did not exist in paper-based systems.
But Cohn of the EFF said nobody knew how many votes were cast improperly without the voter noticing.
In Palm Beach County, Florida, some voters found that ballots had already been filled out when they logged in, said Matt Zimmerman, an EFF attorney who is observing the election there.
A spokesman for the company that makes the machines said that was probably because the previous voter had walked away before finishing the ballot. Depending on local regulations, poll workers will finish the process or cancel the vote.
OBL-to attack the red states that voted for Bush.
I am not sure yet if this is true-depends on how you translate arabic into english. But it does seem that he was in fact saying that from most interpretations that I read.
So, we have MATCHING RESULTS for exit polls vs. voting with audits vs. A 5% unexplained advantage for Bush without audits.
OMG
When I heard Zogby's predictions, I said, "Nope, Bush is definitely going to win, for one reason: they cheat."
My eVoting machine broke as soon as I selected 'English'. They couldn't fix it and I had to get a new pin number and use a new machine. Then I cast my vote... which apparently disappeared into the ether.
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OBL-to attack the red states that voted for Bush.
The Mooney Times agrees with that, so I think it's likely untrue. It must mean "nation" rather than "state" ... but I don't speak Arabic.
a previous posting i read is right. we need to push the fact every chance we get that the christian right is who put bush in office and that they expect a payoff. kristol tried to downplay this fact with jon stewart this evening. they are trying to distance themselves from the nutcases already. do not let them.
Please, Please, Please!
Don't despair.
It ain't over till the Chad lady sings!
Check out my blog for details...or go straight to Daily Kos to read the recommended diaries about Ohio.
WE have to do the groundwork for the DNC. WE have to write and blog about the widespread fraud, undercounted votes, chads, electronic voting, etc.
Kerry couldn't stay in the race...because, at that point, he had no evidence.
It's up to US to provide it.
It's up to US to Mosh like Eminem.
It's up to US to force recounts and demand answers!
Please, Please, Please EVERYONE pick up your heads and get back to work. We have an election to re-win.
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
Brad at BradBlog.com reports on a very troubling analysis done of votes in Florida that were tallied by machines produced by Diebold (the company run by the big Republican) and ES&S (a company reportedly founded by the CEO of Diebold).
It's a bit complicated, but in a nutshell, you can look at registered voters for each party in a precinct and guesstimate how many votes each party might get in that precinct. Then you compare that guesstimate with how many people actually voted for each party in that precinct.
I know, complicated. But in the end what they found was a shocking number of the Diebold and ES&S precincts logged WAY MORE Republican votes than expected and WAY FEWER Dem votes than expected. Whereas the other precincts, not nearly such a divergence.
That's creepy. Especially when you consider that Diebold and ES&S supposedly tallied 80% of the nation's vote. You see where this is going.
three words for the new democratic leader in senate: aggressive filibuster strategy. make a 60-vote rule for judges. no deference on major cabinet positions or legislation. force outrage. make them talk about "going nuclear". make them eat shit. and over in the other chamber... a brawl would help. the republican party deserves to die a painful death. and who knows, a little nudge could cause them to fall on their swords.
Yeah, try this website, it's a cool news blog based off the Drudge Report, it's called http://www.dilby.com or http://www.drudgereport.name
The Dilby News Monitor
www.dilby.com
check out the latest Krugman and Herbert in the NYTimes.
Solid commentaries and advice
First: this election has been stolen by a fraud so massive it's unheard of in a democracy. It's time to store ammos and guns, folks, because they'll soon come for the liberals.
Second: Still unconvinced? Well, fuck Goodwin, Bush himself makes the analogy:
"PRESIDENT BUSH: Now that I've got the will of the people at my back"
Nov.2, Triumph of the Will
Next step: replace "under God" with "under Bush" in the Pledge.
My first post here. I've been lurking her and on Kos for months. I can't sit on the sidelines any longer. Is there anyone here on the island of Oahu interested in having a house meeting to start a movement to save America?
I have never been politically active and at this point I'm not interested in Party Politics. I'd love to get a group of humans together, be they pissed off Pat Buchanan Conservatives or rabid Chomskyites.
I have to do something or my head is going to explode like in an old Scanners movie.
Please e-mail me if there is interest or give me a reasonable option.
My first post here. I've been lurking her and on Kos for months. I can't sit on the sidelines any longer. Is there anyone here on the island of Oahu interested in having a house meeting to start a movement to save America?
I have never been politically active and at this point I'm not interested in Party Politics. I'd love to get a group of humans together, be they pissed off Pat Buchanan Conservatives or rabid Chomskyites.
I have to do something or my head is going to explode like in an old Scanners movie.
Please e-mail me if there is interest or give me a reasonable option.
My first post here. I've been lurking her and on Kos for months. I can't sit on the sidelines any longer. Is there anyone here on the island of Oahu interested in having a house meeting to start a movement to save America?
I have never been politically active and at this point I'm not interested in Party Politics. I'd love to get a group of humans together, be they pissed off Pat Buchanan Conservatives or rabid Chomskyites.
I have to do something or my head is going to explode like in an old Scanners movie.
Please e-mail me if there is interest or give me a reasonable option.
Shit.... I was worried about a double post and I got a triple. Sorry all.
The next generationS.
To be honest, the US, as I sais previously, is going the way of the former Soviet Union, Bush and his croonies are doing it. Ah Bush, he'll be remembered as the GREAT EQUALIZER, get ready for a standard of living like Russia ans maybe India; that is today's Russia and India. Just look at the quantities of homeless and disenfranchized (pariah)(untoutchables). And it's barely the tip of the iceberg, get ready for 5% or less of haves the rest, have not. But then better to BE with the LORD, than have (gas, food, lodging, insurance, jobs, whatever). Praise Lord Bush, may be they'll mumyfy his body jist like Lenin. The New American Century, wow.
To you start to get the feelin that someone is taking you for a helluva ride and you can't jump out.
Good Luck, and Praiiiize da Lard.
If you think boycotting red state products is a good idea, please read my diary on Kos's site and give me some feedback on the questions I pose there. Any help putting this together would be appreciated.
Thank you.
BIFOMR
Most people who vote for Bush KNOW he is lying about everything--includig his lame inclusiveness rhetoric--"uniter not divider", "compassionate conservative". They know what his core beliefs are, and that's all that matters. For these people, virtue is a matter of belief. First you have to know the TRUTH, then everything you do in service to that TRUTH is virtuous. Remember Goldwater's line: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice." There is no reaching out to these people. There is no changing their mind. You cannot reason with them because reason itself is sinful.
Ah Democracy. Ah Humanity.
le them go on their man-date - we must keep ragin - fuck christmas atriso - I ain't a good soldier in bush's economic army...
if blue's had any spine we would stop buying everything but gas milk and bread - the fukers.
did you see the daily mirror cover in london?
look - just because millions sheep for the monkey-boy - does not make it right - democracy is a polularity contest - that is all it is!
fukin Lehrer last night all acting surprised that there was little to no talking about the real issues in this campaign - with 3 thugs and one demo supporter - wtf - fuck you PBS and lehrer!
What Repub Senators up for re-election in 2006 might be vulnerable? Any thoughts? That to me seems to be the first step--take back the Senate.
Santorum in Pennsylvania! Vulnerable! In a BLUE STATE! We got to go after that fokker...where do i sign up!?!?
So why not a hostile takeover of the republican party? If everyone registered as a r, we take care of business in the primaries.
What about Lincoln Chafee--Connecticut's blue also. James Talent in Missouri might be vulnerable too. I can think of a couple of Missouri Demos that might run well against him--Jay Nixon was just elected to his 4th term as state Attorney General, and he has an excellent reputation--is probably the most competent executive branch occupant we've had in last twenty years. Claire McCaskill, who just lost a tight race for governor, might be a possibility too.
Better than defeating Lincoln Chafee would be turning him, a la Jeffords. Chafee is a little tired of the horse puckey being thrown at him by the right wing of his party and famously voted for George H.W. Bush on the write-in line this year (or, at least, claimed that he was going to). He is well liked in the Senate by his non-wingnut colleagues. He would be a great steal.
Hello? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?
From: senft@worldnet.att.net
Subject:
Date: November 7, 2004 5:08:19 AM EST
To: talk@talkingpointsmemo.com
Yes, I admit I'm still hurt and bitter over Tuesday's loss. It was a major, major election, the most important since God knows when, and we ran a schmuck who was point man (to appropriately go all Nam) on a God awful campaign.
W was a sitting duck on every issue except being God's megaphone. Would you know it from Kerry's campaign? Of course not.
And the majority of the voters including the apathetic stay at homes was and is with us on the issues. Not Kerry's issues, the actual issues. (Dunno whether you tracked the Question of the Day at the Wall Street Journal website -- sure didn't reflect the editorial page.)
There's two immediate issues from the loss. The first, historical one, is that there is not any naches running on a DLC platform (other than, if the candidate is lucky enough to be elected, more $ to skim).
More importantly, the Dems are dead. They are completely unable to identify and focus on a "product" i.e. what the party stands for. (Kerry, of course, ran as Bush lite on the issues.) To paraphrase Barry Goldwater what's wanted is a choice, not an echo; the Dems don't offer it. The party has a terrific core of supporters and latent supporters and the DNC pisses on it and pissed it away. Flash: the Dems have to get their core excited enough to vote; they can't count on a network of churches of the deranged goose-steppers like the GOP.
The Dems are no longer part of the solution, let alone the solution. We are now effectively in a one party state: Singapore on steroids and crack.
And no, it's not like the GOP in the 60s for two reasons off the top of my head. While the media treated the GOP as of minor relevance, it was nonetheless done and done with some respect. Modern Big Media hasn't don't that vis a vis the Dems in the last four years and will do it even less now.
And the GOP nonetheless had and maintained the financial support and power of Big Business. The Dems don't have it.
I just wish the death of the Dems and the repercussions would be discussed. The party is no longer the solution or any part of it. The party's at least as dead as Arafat.... Again, we are now in a one-party state and things are worse than it was for the GOP in the 60s. You're not going such a hatred of tan administration in 08 like in 68, at least not if the Dem nominee runs another DLC GOP-lite campaign. And maybe not even them. We're too lazy to vote; the nut jobs are know it's their duty. Has been that way for years and our laziness, really, has cost us democracy in America. Again, we're as democratic as Singapore.
The good news is I can wear my "Not My President" T shirt for another four years....
But let me elaborate: I do not believe it can't be a two party state again, but the Dems are no longer it.
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