I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I'm beginning to think it might not be such a bad idea.
Our tax dollars are like crack to those red state whores. Mow matter how much we want them to go away, They'll never get rid of us. They can't afford to.
Derek G,
My sentiment exactly in the previous thread.
The only bad thing about this is that I'd have to go to another country to get my fix of the National Parks in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, and Utah...
And of course, the goofball doesn't mention my blue state.
Ah, my first-ever good tip to the Atrios man. I feel empowered.
Southerners didn't call it "The War Between the States"--we never thought we started the war. We called it (in school, etc.) "The War of Northern Aggression".
And his economic predictions are a hoot. Who's gonna support those red states that get subsidized by the blue states? Jezuz give them turkee?
Here up North, we like the Idea. We have built a list of states to invite and have a new map to boot.
did anyone notice these two sentences
back-to-back?
"...As a class, liberals no longer are merely the vigorous opponents of the Right; they are spiteful enemies of civilization's core decency and traditions.
Defamation, never envisioned by our Founding Fathers as being protected by the First Amendment, flourishes and passes today for acceptable political discourse."
Not that I needed affirmation that
this writer was an intellectual fraud, but this was the funniest, most glaring example of how disconnected from reality he is.
They'd better leave us folks in the Smarter States alone.
We're the ones footing the bill for the yokels in the red(neck) states' welfare payments.
Yes, as I said in the previous thread, bring this on. Why did we give several hundred thousand lives 140 years ago to keep these guys in the Union anyway? Does anybody recall?
Of course, he has to preface it all with some "it's only a joke!" bullshit.
Brownshirtese for "I'm deadly serious."
OT
"WASHINGTON (AFP) - Defeated Democrat John Kerry has dropped hints he may run for president in 2008, as glum party officials debated the way forward after last week's Republican sweep of elections for the White House and US Congress."
I'd support him again. Hell, if Nixon and Reagan got elected eventually, why not Kerry? He's pretty much immune from most sleezy stuff now and will look pretty damn good after the next four years of horror...
Me, too, Vicki, but, honestly those parks would become their only source of income: tourist dollars. And, Colorado is turning "blue", Montana just elected a Dem governor... so maybe we can strike a deal.
"...As a class, liberals no longer are merely the vigorous opponents of the Right; they are spiteful enemies of civilization's core decency and traditions."
Those assholes sure TALK a good fight, don't they?
Has he ever stopped to think that of the 59,054,087 who handed the country over to Bush can't understand those big words he's using.
I guess I'll have to leave Arizona, I've got friends in California though, maybe we can do some sort of swap, because we'd have to relocate all the red voters from the blue states.
The Estranged States of America.
hmmm.
BTW- what are they going to do with Florida? Cut it in half? South Florida is brown, gay, and non-english speaking. Yikes!
Seriously - I'd like to see how long a red-state only country would survive without my tax dollars subsidizing them. And heck, New York City could certainly use the extra $27 BILLION.
I had wondered myself if Senator Kerry would give it another.
He NOW knows what NOT to do, and he's a smart enough guy to have learned from his mistakes.
Besides, I have a feeling that Bush Co. is going to fuck things up SO badly, that Big John COULD make it on his second try.
The blue states can allways ask if they fancy being ruled by our dear old queeny and Tony Blair....Im sure we would make you very welcome... 
Hey, add Washington and Oregon and you got a deal.
These whores will be begging us to come back within a generation.
SECESSION NOW!
I vote for the name 'New Columbia'
(I'm from WA so I'm kinda partial.)
call their bluff on everything.
I refuse to visit a red state or buy anything from a red state via mail order or Internet.
Let the bastards PRAY for MY money - they're not getting it!
THEY need OUR money, folks. Let's make sure that they don't give them anymore than we have to.
Well, we would need Orgeon and Washington also. Then a land bridge to the Northern states. Seems like a plan to me!
Oh, can Atlanta go? We would be isolated, but can just put a fence up around the perimeter, and keep the airport.
Damn red states are going to start getting hungry pretty quick.
It seems someone really should do the number crunching on us 'expelled' states vis-a-vis the proposed Tax Fairness Act of 2005. How big is their deficit?
It does seem that he is a bit remiss in not expelling DC to us too. They can put their capital in Orlando, next to Fantasyland
"BTW- what are they going to do with Florida? Cut it in half? South Florida is brown, gay, and non-english speaking. Yikes!"
Hmmmm... Yes! Cut in half and we can all vacation and retire there! I loooooove Key West!
"vigorously heterosexual."
You mean "wife beater", right? Or "womanizer"?
We get to keep Hawaii, California, the Pac Northwest, the Great Lakes, and New England?
Fantastic!
OT: Juror misconduct in the Peterson trial. Don't pay attention to the man behind the screen.
"The blue states can allways ask if they fancy being ruled by our dear old queeny and Tony Blair....Im sure we would make you very welcome.."
You can have Blair. I have nothing against the Queen or any of the royals.
Hell, better REAL royalty than Texas white trash who THINK he is!
Defamation, never envisioned by our Founding Fathers as being protected by the First Amendment[...]
Translation:
The first amendment only protects speech that I find politically palatable.
Incidentally
"vigorously heterosexual."
You mean "wife beater", right? Or "womanizer"?
Macho asshole? Male chauvinist pig?
Knuckle-dragging misoygnist?
Don't know how I feel about Kerry thinking of running again...
Might depend on how vocal he is for the next two years in the Senate. Doubtful that the Dems want him back.
When they tire of showering conservative victims with ideological mud, liberals promote the only other subjects with which they feel conversationally comfortable: Obscenity and sexual perversion. It's as if the genes of liberals have rendered them immune to all forms of filth.
LMAO! Yeah, liberals like John Fund, Sen. Livingston, Bill O'Reilly and Jimmy Swaggart. Er, never mind.....
Way too timid. I say we balkanize into all the counties in the country. Each sheriff's department becomes an army. Thousands of attorney generals, presidents, etc.
So how does this promote the coming together that the President supposedly asked America to do? Interesting that the rabid right still has to persist that it has to be their way or the highway. I mean they've got the White House, again, the Senate, again, and an even larger majority of the House, can't these aholes be satisfied? Sheesh.
I love the bit about 'economically sound' Without gov't handouts, these red states would've folded years ago.
Also - look at the number of people who have left the great plains over the last 1/2 century. Some of these areas don't have enough people to be considered for statehood at this point. And yes, they're all proudly red.
That and the south. Bush's great base.
Heck, why not just add onto Canada for the Northeast states? Free health care, less guns, nicer people. Plus we get to throw in Maine, VT, Hawaii and the pacific northwest?
Sure, y'all can HAVE the Grand Canyon. I'll take our Great Lakes, thank you.
Ohio Diary
Terry C-- re: catalogs... ouch, but, okay, I'll give up the bargains at Sierra Trading Post. At least I won't get a catalog a day anymore from them...
It's as if the genes of liberals have rendered them immune to all forms of filth.
We have to sterilize the Jüden! Uh, I mean liberals. So they can't pass on their bad genes. Then the Heimat will be Judenfrei !
Watertiger,
Vigorously heterosexual means numerous mistresses, I believe.
Anybody read Brooks' remarks about exuban sprawl and the election? His analysis is actually very good - the conflict isn't really between states but between urban America and sprawl . . . again, established communities are subsidizing the construction of new sprawl, in which zoning restricts residence to the well-off. This must stop! If our civilization is to survive, it must stop funding the infrastructure of its enemies.
Meanwhile, it seems not even their fellow brownshirts are brownshirty enough for them:
Your phone calls are really working. Senator Specter's antics are still in the news. This morning, CBS radio continued reporting on him. The more he's in the news, the more likely it is that he will not get the chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee. Anyone who disqualifies himself as Senator Specter has should not get that appointment. Remember, he "bluntly warned newly-re-elected President Bush … against putting forth Supreme Court nominees who would seek to overturn abortion rights or are otherwise too conservative to win confirmation." (Associated Press, 11/3/04).
Meanwhile, Concerned Women for America's (CWA) chief counsel Jan LaRue was on CNN's Inside Politics with Judy Woodruff yesterday. Please take a moment to read our CWA press release [click here] to see how he's spinning the issue now...
Your calls are still needed.
1. First, please be sure to call Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pennsylvania) and urge him to ask Senator Specter to withdraw himself from consideration as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Senator Santorum's Washington office phone is 202-224-6324...
Why Senator Santorum? Because: 1. both he and Sen. Specter are from Pennsylvania; 2. pro-life Sen. Santorum helped pro-abortion Sen. Specter win a tough primary against a principled pro-life candidate, so Specter owes a debt of gratitude to Sen. Santorum. It's a matter of Sen. Santorum calling in the debt; 3. Sen. Santorum is chairman of the Republican Conference (i.e., all the Republican senators) and can influence his fellow senators.
2. Second, please keep your calls coming to all Republican senators. The list with phone numbers is here [click]. Tell them simply, "Senator Specter has disqualified himself from the chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee. Please do all you can to make sure he is not in that influential position."
Thank you again for all the work you're doing. America's voters spoke clearly and decisively in last week's election. They want strict constructionist judges who INTERPRET the law, who don't MAKE IT UP as they go along. They want judges who respect the Constitution for what it says, who aren't fooled into thinking it's some kind of "living" document whose meaning changes at whim. But, we simply will not get those kind of judges if Sen. Arlen Specter seizes the chairmanship of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Your calls are helping solve a real threat. Thank you.
I suggest calling all the numbers they list with your own message...
RNC Bitchboy drudge has taken down his link to a chinese website claiming that 35 American soldiers were taken hostage
"35 US soldiers captured in Fallujah"
Does he follow his marching orders or what!
For all that "vigorous heterosexuality" they'd better remember to take the fluoride out of the water supply!
"The only bad thing about this is that I'd have to go to another country to get my fix of the National Parks in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, and Utah..."
Ha! As if we'd keep the national parks system. There's land to be sold there, girlie. And lumber, oil, animal pelts. Use them up and bulldoze them.
I just polished off a book by Emmanuel Todd entitled 'After The Empire'. liberals in the US can calm down a bit if they read this book. What Bush is doing in Iraq is probably the last outing for cartoon imperialism.
I like the idea. Adult USA and Bush USA.
Well, we would need Orgeon and Washington also.
They are blue states, you betcha they leave "jebusland"
God save the Queen!
what about hawaii, it voted for kerry and gore.
Northern VA will immediately return to DC the land that we shamefully took away some time ago. No way Northern VA gets left behind in red-statesville.
Good news on the Gay Marriage front, at least for the future....CIRCLE at University Maryland finds:
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-ISSUES - Young voters generally had
the same concerns as older voters.
Of the under-30 voters, for example,
22% said "moral values" were the most
important issue, the same percentage
as all voters. But on some prominent
issues, they differed dramatically.
Notably, 41% favor gay marriage,
compared to 25% of all voters. They
were 12 percentage points more
likely than older voters to identify
as liberal, and seven percentage
points less likely to call themselves
conservative. Voters under 30 were
also 10 percentage points more likely
to believe that "government should
do more to solve problems."
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Four years... oh my god.. FOUR YEARS?!
So what Senator will put forth the bill to secede from Jesusland?
It literally hurts to place my feet down in the same country as Bush every morning.
We get to keep Hawaii, California, the Pac Northwest, the Great Lakes, and New England?
We get to keep the whole frigging country. I mean we get most of the cities because they aren't "an open land of single-family homes and ranches", and we get most of the red states because they aren't "economically sound".
"Bush USA" is a cute fantasy -- a place that exists nowhere in the country, but its the fantasy that the wingers like to think they'd have if they just got rid of all the for'ners, niggers, spics, chinks, fags, ragheads, papists, atheists, and, apparently, "city-folk", too.
If you look at the map, we could actually join with Canada pretty easily, perhaps a confederation of new Canada provinces. Not a bad idea actually, I grew up north of Seattle and have always loved Canada, plus the Canadians are loosening their Marijuana laws.
All Hail the Fatherland!
Can we get Martha Stewart as Queen?
Rescue Martha!!
That was truly hilarious!
On a serious note, it dismays rethugs to point out that that liberal bastion Massachusetts has a lower divorce rate than all other states.
Surely such places as Utah and Georgia must be next, eh?
Wrong!
The top 6 were all blue states...
1 Massachusetts 14,530 2.4
2 Connecticut 9,095 2.8
3 New Jersey 23,899 3.0
4 Rhode Island 3,231 3.2
5 New York 59,195 3.3
Pennsylvania 40,040 3.3
If those states joined Canada, Canada would instantly become a major world power....
"Bush USA" is a cute fantasy -- a place that exists nowhere in the country, but its the fantasy that the wingers like to think they'd have if they just got rid of all the for'ners, niggers, spics, chinks, fags, ragheads, papists, atheists, and, apparently, "city-folk", too.
Do you like the ongoing irony of all this bilge coming from DC, the most blue area in the whole country?
All Hail the Fatherland!
Bah, more like "All Hail the First Cousin...how you doin' land"
And as a Seattlite, I'm shocked, appalled and worried that Washington State wasn't included, when I know people in this state would would love to saw the state in two, using the Cascades as the dividing line.
What a fucking looney tune.
Could we call it Ectopia? That would make this old hippy very happy.
Not a bad idea actually, I grew up north of Seattle and have always loved Canada, plus the Canadians are loosening their Marijuana laws.
Oh man, count me in!
I'm just glad I'll be getting Canadian health care.
If we're going to do it, it should be now. Shrub ain't gonna recall the National Guard to reunify the States, they're busy getting suckered into Fallujah and other deathtraps.
Take a look at 'After The Empire' and you will be able to calm down. The irrationality of the thuggie is a blip. In due course they will have to calm down. They will not be able to continue their policy madness in the face of the latent power of the EU, Russia and China.
Vigorously heterosexual = getting it on like rabbits mainlining Viagra!
Um... why did that guy say "vigorously heterosexual"? Is he... overcompensating?
Hey, I'm ALL FOR this proposal!
Just think of the money to be made on tarrifs.
All the west coast and practically all the east coast shipping ports are in blue states.
Hey, Wal-Mart, you want that cheap chinese slave labor merchandise? It's gonna cost you to import it from the "Dirty Dozen" into your USA.
Could we call it Ectopia? That would make this old hippy very happy
Whereabouts are you, Hecate?
Personally, I'd love to call the California-Oregon-Washington region Pacifica. For our flag, a combination of the coast, trees and shining cities.
mecki,
yeah, the plains states have about as many people as cheney has genital warts...
yet they get at least two senators and three electoral votes.
they are down right bottom feeding communists who can't pay their own god damn way.
OT: Juror misconduct in the Peterson trial...
IANAL, but I've been on enough juries (two) to remember the very weird instruction on conducting "experiments" that always drew a chuckle when it was read. So in the remote case of an actual conviction, I can see a loophole for a successful appeal you could drive a fishing boat through:
The jurors spent the morning Monday looking at Peterson's 14-foot aluminum fishing boat. But what began as a routine examination turned into controversy. Before lunch, defense attorney Mark Geragos was in court asking for a mistrial. He was angry that at least two jurors got into the boat and that one started jumping up and down in the vessel.
He said the jurors, who looked at the sides and underneath the boat, had gone far beyond what they were entitled to do with evidence under the law.
Prosecutor Birgit Fladager disputed Geragos' argument, saying, "There wasn't a lot of manipulation of the boat.''
But Geragos argued that the jurors were conducting their own experiment - - presumably to see if the fishing vessel would tip. During the trial the defense lawyer maintained that it would have been nearly impossible for Peterson to have thrown his dead, pregnant wife overboard on San Francisco Bay without the boat capsizing. On Monday, Geragos argued that jurors are forbidden from law to conduct their own experiments while deliberating. Furthermore, he said, it was a futile exercise since the boat was on a trailer instead of in the water.
He asked the judge to either declare a mistrial or let the defense put on its own demonstration for the jury. Delucchi rejected both requests, saying that he had told the jurors to consider the fact that the boat was not in the water when they tried to rock it from side to side. He also said the juror's actions could help either side...
i'd be doubled over laughing if that Human Events story weren't so incredibly sad...
Are you one of those "elitists" that Scarborough keeps complaining about? Is it a "choice" or are you born elitist?
TAKE THE TEST! If you answer YES to any questions below add or subtract points...
Did you go to college and study? +10
Did you go to Yale but just partied? -5
Did you read a work of non-fiction this year? +12
Was it the users manual for your ATV? -4
Do you live in a state that abolished slavery prior to 1860? + 5 points
Do you already know exactly what you're going to order before you get to the Starbucks? +15
Do you already know what Combo number your're going to order before you get to the drive-through? -15
Do you believe that life on earth evolved via the process of natural selection? +25
Do you know any homosexuals personally? +10
Did you punch them in the face yet? -10
Give yourself 10 points for every time you watched a Michael Moore movie.
Subtract 10 points for every time you watched the Passion of the Christ.
Have you ever starred in a Hollywood film? +30
Have you recorded a country song about 9/11? -30
Did you vote for Kerry? +200
Add up your score.
-100 to 0: You are the salt of the earth. A down-to-earth American.
1 to 50: A solid American but you'd better watch your step or the elitists will brainwash you.
51 - 300: YOU #*&$@ ELITIST!!!!
I've spent practically my whole life in the American south, and much of it in South Carolina. I laughed when, in the summer, I heard a bunch of Christian conservatives were agitating for fellow-thinkers to move there and secede. And pretty much immediately get unemployed. Sheesh.
Hecate,
Man, I hate to say I want to punish No. Va. libs, but you made your bed in Jebusland, so I say you should be stuck with it.
Smitty (happily living and working in the Free State
Hell, if ya want decent marijuana laws, move to Montana or Oregon.
Oregon passed legislation last week that allows 6 pounds a years, as long as a Doctor prescribes it.
They're setting up distribution points (shops) currently.
Just THINK of all the inbreeding! "My mother, my sister, my mother, my sister..."
or
"Git off, Daddy. Yer crushin' mah Marlboros."
one other observation...
the grand canyon is fucking huge, yet the republicans couldn't even get a single vote from it! Same thing with ANWR! Do you know how many acres they cover?
Why do the Grand Canyon and ANWR hate republicans?
Could we call it Ectopia? That would make this old hippy very happy.
Might I suggest Ecotopia? Ectopia sounds like the land of life-threatening out-of-place pregnancies.
Okay, the article was so full of ignorance I could only scan it, but I do think there's something to the idea of Blue state departure. I say we colonize Indiana and Ohio so we have a contigous territory that encompasses the current USGreat Lakes and St. Lawrence borders, then appeal form provincehood in Canada. Who's in?
That article is possibly one of the most vile, poisonous, disgusting right-wing rants I have read in years.
That son of a bitch talks about liberals the way Hitler talked about the Jews. This type a rhetoric is dangerous, and it seems to me they are getting their marching orders from above. A few days ago Gingrich and Norquist engaged in this type of eliminationist rhetoric while boasting about the election results.
Grover Norquist even compared Democrats to "neutered farm animals."
This shit needs to stop, pronto!
John,
I'm over on the East Coast, but I always loved the name Ectopia.
All the west coast and practically all the east coast shipping ports are in blue states.
When I saw red state writers suggest breaking us off into red vs blue regions, I noticed that too, but then I remembered when I lived in Houston how Houston was the third-busiest port in the nation. And then the red folks also would have the Arizona-Texas border with Mexico to import goods through, as well as the Mississippi River.
Canada has quite enough, thank you very much. It does not require further territory, not even nominally. Have you even -looked- at how big Nunavik is? Much less the Northwest Territories. Chuy, what on earth does anybody need more for?
Except for the Turks and Caicos tho. That'd be cool. That'd resolve my uncertainties entirely.
John:
Not to worry, We need Washington in the new confederation, for one thing it is the west coast land mass to our new homeland Canada. Canada would be a kick ass super power.
Isn't it funny that this proposal sounds really good to us, and it's author(?) meant it to be insulting.
I'm stuck in Texas (Austin, thankfully...) until I get my Oriental Medicine degree. I was planning to move to NY State afterwards... you think I'll need a passport? Can I become a NY citizen in absentia?
Julie, ready to leave this gawd-forsaken place...
For many decades, conservative citizens and like-minded political leaders (starting with President Calvin Coolidge) have been denigrated by the vilest of lies and characterizations from hordes of liberals who now won't even admit that they are liberals--because the word connotes such moral stink and political silliness. As a class, liberals no longer are merely the vigorous opponents of the Right; they are spiteful enemies of civilization's core decency and traditions.
Say, this must be some of that "reaching out" and "civility" we've been scolded about. Of course, I live in liberal NY, where for the past 20 years screamers on the right-wing talk radio stations (no other kind, even here, until lately) have been telling me I'm full of moral stink and a traitor. So I really don't know where these hordes of liberals denigrating poor conservatives with vile lies do their thing. Is it some kind of secret society in wingnuts heads?
OT, but does anyone know where I can get a bunch of "Not My President" buttons? I got one at an anti-war rally last year, and thought they would be handy for my anti-Inaugural Ball/birthday party. I'm thinking of preparing a New England boiled dinner and Boston Cream Pie, followed by a toast (French wine, of course) to our King Across the Water (like the Jacobites.)
Ummm ... maybe I'm confused - are people implying Blue-State land would go back to England?
Because if you look at both the intent of some of the seccessionists in the Civil War era (to become again an English plantation colony ... the South lost primarily because England didn't want them back) as well as the current rhetoric against "Massachussetts liberals" (read - the geographic and political decendents of folks like Sam Adams who brought us the U.S. as an independent entity in the first place), it is the Red-staters who want to reverse the American revolution and become a colony again, not the Blue-staters.
Anyhoo, we do have this bit of historical inaccuracy to chew on:
Defamation, never envisioned by our Founding Fathers as being protected by the First Amendment, flourishes and passes today for acceptable political discourse
Um ... so why did Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr duel? And what was the political discourse like 200 years ago?
Sheez Louise! How can "conservatives" be so historically ignorant (e.g. they think that people like George "High Church Episcopalian" Washington and Thomas "Deist" Jefferson were Evangelical Protestants)? Oh yeah ... they want to repeat the past, so they have to forget it, pace Santayana.
Another interesting thing -- the author seems not to like "Jeremaiads" ... very telling of how the Fundies really think of the Lord's prophets, don't you think?
Wash Times writing on secession today
Please don't throw away us purple-staters! Colorado doesn't want to be dragged into Jesusland.
Could we call it Ectopia?
Yeah, I remember that book, too...
Talk about a fucking econmic powerhouse: Microsoft in Washington, Silicon Valley and Hollywood in California, a highly educated work force stretching across all three states, numerous porting facilities... and after a hostile takeover of the Central Valley, all the food you could eat... we could bring the Fascist States to their knees in a matter of hours.
Of course, we'd have to terminate the Gropinator...
Its the godless liberals vs. the microcephalics.............They are mostly repugnant,but dontcha love that little tuft of hair on top of their cone heads?
WTF does "openly" mean when it modifies "heterosexual"???
God these people are a wonder when it comes to their repressed sex urges. I still haven't gotten over Coburn -purportedly an MD - saying that abortion is part of the "homosexual agenda".
vigorously heterosexual
Is that anything like "furiously masturbating"?
Let them have their wind, it's mostly hot air anyway. They are so far out of the mainstream that keeping them in check actually helps them out by making them seem more moderate than they are. How stupid is the writer to not include Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, Minnesota,Pennsylvania - as if we would want to remain within the new Confederated Ignorant States of America? The sophomoric writer chose 38 states to remain for only one reason - to present a semblance of a 2/3 majority of states that could expel the rest. These guys are not even serious when they are spounting their extremist propaganda.
That's it. I guess I'm going to have to move to a blue state. Not just a blue state, but a blue city in a blue county in a blue state. Apon my arrival in that city I will suddenly and without any effort on my part become intellectually superior to all others. I'm so excited about that opportunity.
Atrios, I love(d) your site. It WAS a great place for all of us Democrats to come together and unify the party. But you have decided to choose division over unity. You have decided that Democrats who happen to live in red states are less worthy and inferior.
This site was become nothing but a home for name calling and isults against other Democrats based on only on where they happen to live. You guys have made it very clear that only big city and blue state people are welcome here any more. And you A-Man, are the biggest hater of them all. I'm so very dissapointed in you.
One other thing. Before you call me a troll in your typical knee-jerk reaction I have been posting on here for some time now. And, even though you'll never understand or believe it, I'm a better Democrat than you!
"They need a divided country to win, we don't" - Bill Clinton
I vaguely remember a poll from the 1990's in which a majority of Canadians believed their country would be annexed by the U.S. some day. Probably for economic reasons.
Looks like they had the right idea, only CANADA's doing the annexation.
How does that anthem go, "O Canada, my home and native land" - YEAH! Go Jays!
Is anyone here a fan of Thom Hartmann?
He's an intelligent, thoughtful writer, and I really enjoy his radio show, especially given the fact that it is the only liberal show we get in Grand Rapids. Everything else is Rush, Savage, Hannity, Dr. Laura, Laura Ingraham, Ron Insana, Michael Reagan, blah blah blah. No wonder this country is so fucked up ~ all anyone hears are these faux political radio shows, which are really about entertainment in the guise of "political discussion."
Anyway, today Thom was saying that the only hope for the Democratic Party is to steer away from its centrist position and return to a focus on populist issues. I agree.
they don't want to seceed, they want a time machine back to 1954!
Julie,
Come on up. We have plenty of room for you.
Say, is that loser with the yellow Hummer that's covered with mini yellow Hummers still driving around town?
Hecate
Oh, East Coast, eh? Hmm, I always suspected you were a West Coaster.
...does anyone know where I can get a bunch of "Not My President" buttons?
Check out Cafe Press at www.cafepress.com (or click my homepage link to check out my own pithy collection)... you could even make your own! It's not that hard...
For all of his revisionist histroy about the "War Between the States", Thompson conveniently neglects to mention that the confederate constitution prohibited any of its members from seceding. He'd realize as soon as all of his state's public works programs ceased who footed the bill for those projects.
Hey, Mike, I'm only joking, you're an asshole.
Is it some kind of secret society in wingnuts heads?
Yes. I recently was summoned to a house full of liberals where we drank Chai until dawn and bashed laborers, the poor, the sick, religions, America and then we did it with farm animals while watching F9/11. Great sport, actually.
Although we're always criticized for not understanding the heartland, I think they're MUCH further off in understanding us.
Oops! Should read:
"...to present a semblance of a 3/4 majority of states that could expel the rest."
Big N--
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Pacifica, Sylvania and Ecotopia: the three new jewels in the Canadian crown.
Please please please let Philadelphia in. We aren't part of those nasty red states, and Rick Santorum and Snarlin Arlen really don't represent our views.
All a bad bad dream.
Ya know, if this is the "moral values" of "Real Americans" - all this hate and loathing, especially by the party in power - I'm sorta glad I'm an "elitist liberal". For that article was really, really stupid.
And I gotta admit...I'm not a vigorous heterosexual. I'm a heterosexual, true, but it's more like it's an afterthought. The fuck does "vigorous heterosexual" mean, anyway? Do you have to start every convorsation with "Hi, I'm Bob and I just love pussy. Nice to meet you, reverend."
Sheesh. How y'all can get through ridiculous horseshit like "...shall we remain the world's leader, or become an unprincipled chump for the cabal of globalist sybarites who play endless word-games inside the United Nations and European Union sanctuaries? is beyond me. Thanks for pulling the nuggets out of stuff like this, but I just cannot get through it. You are much stronger folks than I.
Sorry to repost this. Maybe this is oversimplified, but this is how American politics is starting to look to me--
The Values of the Left:
the rule of law, the separation of church and state, checks and balances, universally fair, checkable, and transparent voting systems , the enlightenment, science over religion, impartial justice, the Geneva conventions, the Fairness Doctrine, civil rights, worker's rights, women's right to choose
The Values of the Right:
Jesus will provide, always obey and never question our leaders, stick with your own kind, might makes right, our god is bigger than their god, I am entitled to my SUV
Are people of color allowed to stay if they say "Yassam" and "Yessir" and chew up their cornpone real good like? Dayam, and they wonder why we think they're stupid.
FYI, I am
white
heterosexual (I think by "vigorously" he means, his right palm is often chapped)
homeowner (a very nice Victorian, not a sprawling condo...I thought the ugly urban sprawl complexes were the conservatives, they have so little taste)
upper management
liberal
live (sigh) in Ohio
I've killed 16 of our finest men in the past two days and I'm just getting started. Get used to it.
Wash Times writing on secession today
Please don't throw away us purple-staters! Colorado doesn't want to be dragged into Jesusland.
Can we agitate Canada into seizing the Great Lakes states for security regions? I mean, hell, most of our troops are out of the country right now....
California started as an independent republic -- maybe it's time to go back to being one. We have, I believe, the eigth largest economy in the world. We give up more in tax dollars than we get back. We have more places to get a latte. We seem to have better air quality standards than the red states. And, having grown up in Ohio, I can definitely state that we have better record stores.
I know it's too much to expect people like this to read or understand history, but one of the reasons the South was defeated was because they had jack shit in the way or manufacturing and resources. All they had was cotton, tobacco, a lot of people who thought of themselves as better Christians than the Yankees, and the unfortunate people those fine Christians believed it was their moral duty to enslave.
So, sure. Expel us. We'll be crushed. We'll be so crushed we'll have to dance in the streets to mask our broken hearts.
Backslider owes me a keyboard.
I blogged a similar proposal on my blog from the other side and I got told off fairly firmly. The thing is that I wasn't born here and have no memories or history that makes the U.S. seem indivisible to most of its citizens, and I understand that.
But from a purely logical point of view a division into two states would make excellent sense. Governments could work on real problems and not this war of ideologies, and the blue states could use their money for their own good. The red states could start a theocracy and be happy. Of course there would be a serious problem with having to move all the blues to our states, but they could get the houses that our local reds leave empty. Yes, it would be a terrible upheaval but then we could actually start to have a democracy and work on things and be calm and have ordinary lives.
Wait - that place already exists - you know, predominantly white, yadda yadda - it's called Utah!
The author of that horrible article, Mike Thompson, even looks like a fucking troglodyte. Not that looks matter, but the guy truly is a caveman:
Here:
> Mike Thompson's new book
Ugh!
And, even though you'll never understand or believe it, I'm a better Democrat than you!
You aren't any sort of Democrat I'd respect if you can't even be bothered to read the article refered to, before judging what you believe Atrios is saying about it. Go on, go and read it. See the banner across the top, which identifies who is making the argument? You get a nice pop up too, with a book I'm sure Atrios just can't wait to read. If the author would talk to him, that is.
Context works wonders, you know...
Oh, and just like last time, I have our trolling pal trapped in a thread below, desperately paying me attention and endlessly repeating himself. And just like last time, here I am saying I'm doing it. Fun! 
No way they are leaving PA in red stateville -- we went for Gore/Kerry, so we earned our ticket out.
Oh please please,please... the sooner the better!!!
It's not like I'd be willing to live in RedAm anyway...
Go to makestickers.com
I made a whole mess of "He's not my president" bumber stickers. You can buy them one at a time, or in any quantity you want.
I am still laughing about the suggested name for the new canadian province made up of blue states...
"Baja Canada"
hilarious
Could we call it Ectopia? That would make this old hippy very happy.
Hecate | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 2:36 pm | #
"Ecotopia," please. "Ectopia" means "in the wrong place."
If you're going to draw the map the way Callenbach did, I'm for it: He barely included my area, although it went Red in the 2004 election.
Maybe three affiliated states: Ecotopia, Columbia (including NY/NJ etc) and Lacustra (the Great Lakes area). Couldn't Canada use three new provinces? I could practice saying "eh."
I say they should go for it.
It would give us a chance to bring up the "dead-beat" states Atrios mentioned days ago.
The blues they wanna expel are donor states.
Innumerate idiots.
"vigorously heterosexual"
That is important. They wouldn't want someone say, moderately heterosexual.
There may be a test required to prove degree of heterosexuality in order to gain entry into Bush USA.
The author of that horrible article, Mike Thompson, even looks like a fucking troglodyte.
He looks like a character from the Hanna-Barbera days, but I can't recall which one.
FYI, I am
white
heterosexual (I think by "vigorously" he means, his right palm is often chapped)
homeowner (a very nice Victorian, not a sprawling condo...I thought the ugly urban sprawl complexes were the conservatives, they have so little taste)
upper management
liberal
live (sigh) in Ohio
OMG! I knew you looked familiar! You're White Middle Class Suburban Man!
I'm a better Democrat than you!
"They need a divided country to win, we don't" - Bill Clinton
Big Nasty
Um, we tried that and lost, remember.
Calm down, Big Nasty!
We love all our compatriots no matter where they are! It's a Democrat's dream to live where I do: a bright blue city in a blue county in a blue state. But I appreciate how hard it would be to be surrounded by a sea of red.
Before you start calling everyone names and getting overly defensive, read this:
http://tinyurl.com/4hbce
Big Nasty,
aren't you protesting a little too much? I for one am living in a huge blue city in a red state, Missouri.
We just lost a hugely important election, and it is not because of people living in blue states, so naturally there will be people wanting to blow off some steam for a little while.
As for getting things done, I really think a big piece of the puzzle will be getting solid dem candidates running in what are actually purple states like Ohio (where I just moved from) and Missouri.
Despite internal Ohio GOP bickering and scandals galore, they control every statewide office and the Dems can't even get good candidates to run against these bozos.
The problem isn't quite as drastic in Missouri, but we just lost a donkey gubernatorial seat here and lost the house and senate a couple years back. we didn't run good candidates this year, and now only have the offices of Secretary of State and the Attorney General in donkey hands.
These failures kill us when it comes to presidential races because controlling the state machinery goes a long way to winning the race.
WashPost article today by Milbank talks about the scandals that are waiting top pop out of the drawers in the second term . . . too bad we don't have a god-damn independent counsel law on the books! I know everyone hated Ken Starr (self included) but man, we really need to have that IC law on the books.
Congress can't investigate anything wortth a damn by itself. Fact.
What breaks first? Feith scandal? Plame scandal? Abu Ghraib? Or will it be the dark horse, Cheney's Energy policy (which may never see the light of day, I'm afraid).
vigorously heterosexual =
goats, OK.
Other men, not.
I have our trolling pal trapped in a thread below, desperately paying me attention and endlessly repeating himself.
You do?
"Eh, what the hell...my tea's still steeping. and the longer I detain you in this dead thread, the less trouble you'll be causing elsewhere"
http://www.haloscan.com/
comments...996513714956842
Oh, that's too bad. Busted.
Fine. Expel us, or whatever. Let us keep our industries and our capital cities and our agriculture. Mostly, let us keep the brain powerhouses - the major universities, the banking and marketing and trading centers.
We can develop our own country, one with mass transportation instead of endless dependence on gasoline. We will actually have excellent relations with our allies in Europe and Japan, and they will be happy to finance our development by buying our securities. We have Big Pharma, Big Tech, and well-developed infrastructures.
We will also see a vast surge in property values as millions and millions of Americans from the Red States rush to emigrate here.
Fine, I'mm all for it. Kick us out, I won't be hurt. We're paying to take care of ourselves, anyway, while the Homeland Security money goes to places like Wyoming and Nebraska. We'll be fiscally better off if you cut us loose.
The joke is on you, suckers, as you fall deeper and deeper into the rathole you wanted so badly. My only concern is that you'll send an army of unemployed uneducated losers up here to try to steal our land.
Oh, I forgot - they'll all be busy installing "democracy" in Middle Eastern nations and dying to keep Allawi safe in the Green Zone.
So long, suckers. I can't wait.
America's Nemesis
I read the article. Yes, it's true peopel who live in rural areas in the South really can read.
The article pushes the idea of the red states expelling the blue states. And where might the talk of red expelling blue have come from?
Possibly an entire week of people such as yourself saying that the blue states should leave the union themselves. A solid week of people like you calling ME names. Questioning my intelligence and anything else you could come up with.
A week of people like you telling me that just because I live in a rural area, have a farm and go to church every Sunday that I'm inferior.
I have been trying to remind people that the Democrats will never get the W.H. or the House or the Senate back if WE completely right off the South.
But YOU don't want the W.H. or the House or the Senate. You want to tell people that you are smarter than them and better than them. You prefer to lose.
I suggest that when the east coast is split off, we call ourselves "America," for much the same reason as Roger Waters got to keep calling himself Pink Floyd. Welcome to join us, West Coast.
"vigorously heterosexual"
Y'all are doing better than me. Lately, I could be described as a lackadaisical heterosexual.
Backslider owes me a keyboard.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 2:51 pm | #
Bill me. And that cat soiling the name of Thompson looks like the heavy in Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrells to me.
And am I the only one who thinks of Jimmy Castor's "Bertha Butt Boogie" when he hears/reads the word "troglydyte"? Probably.
I've got an idea too. It's called honest elections. And another thought, honest news. Bush would never have had any demands more stringent than his no-show jobs gotten for him by his parents if we had both. "Human Events" would be as well known as Pastor P., shortwave-radio fascist.
Atrios, that was the scariest place you ever took me. Those ads! I expected to get have a tentacle come out of the monitor, flash down my nostril and to be taken over by a robotic replicant. I'm not going back there without a switch knife.
Funny, in a not too funny way - I was just sending a letter to the Dallas paper about the fact that we can't have a civil discourse in this country. I said very nicely that i would be more than willing to meet people halfway at the exact moment when: Rush Limbaugh no longer broadcasts, Ann Coulter no longer has a forum from which to call liberals "traitors" and the Republicans acknowledge that we have a right to exist and be represented and not "hunted down with dogs."
Then I come back and voila! - I just wasted my time with that letter.
They ain't going to talk. They ain't going to listen.
They are going to stomp.
Big Nasty, doesn't anyone read anymore before posting?
Today's the worst I've seen.
Do people rant for the fun of it?
I swear to god shrub is the best thing to happen to Osama Bin Laden and al Qaeda. He's bankrupting us and dividing us in ways OBL could only dream about.
I read the article. Yes, it's true peopel who live in rural areas in the South really can read.
They sure can't spell, though...
Defamation, never envisioned by our Founding Fathers as being protected by the First Amendment...
That's one of those lines that sounds great in rhetoric, and fits really well with American mythology, but has no basis whatsoever in reality. Most of the newspapers run in the Founing Fathers' era were nothing but defamation, often beyond the bounds of what would now be considered libel.
Mike Thompson's new book Ugh!
Julius Civitatus
HAW HAW HAW! I just checked out his photo! Try imagining him with more hair all over - caveman style! Good luck with the "vigorous heterosexuality", dude. Haw haw haw!
Check out those "facts" in his book!
And that rainbow around the word "conservative"!
STOP IT! YER KILLING ME!
HAW HAW HAW!
Big Nasty,
Nemesis is a loon.
Just thought you might like to know.
"vigorously heterosexual"
Hmm, why does the Monty Python "Lumberjack" song keep playing in my head?
They are going to stomp.
Can't stomp if your boots are mired in the mud.
What's amazing to me is that these cretins over at Human Events don't grasp that Bush America would go straight to being a third rate banana republic that would be of little consequence in the world.
Virtually all of the military technology, and the science upon which it is based, which makes America pre-eminently powerful in the world has been, and will continue to be developed by the blue states, and the bluest parts of them. There would be an immediate brain drain from Red America to Blue America, without the moderating effects of Blue America on Red America policies. What scientist or technologist is going to want to stay in the Research Triangle or Austin, if the lunatics officially and completely run the asylum?
If ONLY it could happen! Who can stand another day conjoined to the red state parasites?
Actually, Backslider, no. That is exactly what I thought when I read the word "troglydyte."
And then I pictured a more primitive looking Fred Flinstone.
Big Nasty needs a hug, people.
Feeling humiliated by uppity elitists leads to angry outbursts -- like invading Austria or Poland. So be nicer please.
If this were to come to fruition, the best part may be when the Reddies suddenly find that they have a bit of a problem getting all the cargo they need shipped in through the Gulf of Mexico and Florida. Suddenly, the west coast and New England may not look so bad to them.
sounds ok to me. is there a petition i can sign or something?
better dead than red.
You know, 48% of the country voted blue. If that population and the blue states were added to Canada. Canada with its present land mass and population would become the most powerful nation on earth.
Now, whether or not they would want this is another story.
My only concern is that you'll send an army of unemployed uneducated losers up here to try to steal our land.
yeah, but with the expiration of the ban on assault rifles, we can stock up before we leave.
This is great! Now musicals like "Cats" will only be able to sustain 3 week runs!
vigorously heterosexual?
Is that a polite PC way of calling someone a rapist?
This man is giving aid and comfort to the terrorists by threatening to break up the USA.
John, Pacifica is perfect, but since California is the 6th biggest economy in the world, I'm cool with calling our new country "CalifORWA". This was my first thought when Kerry conceded. Too bad we won the civil war.
I say we can't get this done fast enough for me! We bail on the Union and repatriate our Guardsmen from Iraq and wherever else they've been condemned to. There's a little problem with regular military and military bases in Blue states, but so what. We'll work that out later. We could be "the Rational States of America"
Big Nasty, I am a Canadian immigrant to the U.S. almost 30 years ago and I live in Mass. Everyone is just blowing off steam here and I am sorry if it hurts you. Thinking about seceding is a diversion and a relief. Of course, to me thinking we would join up with Canada is like the perfect solution, but it is all fantasy (at least I think it is!). I think about the blue people in the red states all the time and feel very comforted that you all are there. I also feel concern for all of you. As you can well imagine, as a liberal democrat from Massachusetts, and a Canadian immigrant to boot, I am reeling with the sheer volume and meanness of the hateful things that are being said about people like me and my lovely adopted commonwealth, Massachusetts.
Well, yeah on the fact that goods come up from Mexico through the southwest, but California has access, too. They border Mexico and they are blue, no?
Big nasty,
I don't understand why writing off the entire south is not a genuine strategy. All one needs for the magical 270 is some combo of some very marginally red mid west (Ohio, Iowa) or mountain (New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado) states. Although writing off the south may be a bad strategy for the Senate, it is not a bad strategy -- particularly if some regional biases are thrown in -- to win the white house.
It would be a cynical strategy, but a winner, I bet!
"I read the article. Yes, it's true peopel who live in rural areas in the South really can read.
They sure can't spell, though."
dave
Now come on Dave. Anyone with half a brain can tell immediately the difference between spelling errors and typos. But, then again, maybe you have less than half a brain.
Gee, according to the theofascists now in power, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, James Madison and who knows how many other preznits wouldn't be eligible for the office. They couldn't pass the new, super-duper unwritten religious litmus test. Jefferson didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus. Lincoln never belonged to a church, and I can find no utterance by him professing belief in Jesus as Lord and Savior. Madison wanted an even higher wall between Church and State, to the point of having religious denominations pay for military chaplains and not having any chaplains for Congress. Thank goodness vile heathens like these could never occupy the WH nowadays.
We can win the entire old south if we just give them the right to marry their nieces and first cousins.
Oh, East Coast, eh? Hmm, I always suspected you were a West Coaster
Proud daughter of the Old Dominion. But not above some of the fine California Chardonnay and hot tubbin'.
Just sayin'
I want a bumper sticker "I'm a heterosexual and I vote -- for gay rights."
Big Nasty, I suggest you get that chip off your shoulder. Maybe it's a log.
Maybe it's a cross...
A week of people like you telling me that just because I live in a rural area, have a farm and go to church every Sunday that I'm inferior...But YOU don't want the W.H. or the House or the Senate. You want to tell people that you are smarter than them and better than them. You prefer to lose.
Big Nasty
It's clear that "Big Nasty" has just finished reading his "The World According to Karl Rove" treatise. What the fuck are you talking about, Big Nasty? Tell me this, before Karl Rove pushed his bullshit "moral values" spin, was there a movement amongst city-dwellers to dismantle farms, or remove nonprofit tax status from churches? Or did we quietly continue to subsidize your lifestyle via tax breaks and incentives? Many, many city dwellers are church-goers, and many others practice some form of spirituality. Have you seen a movement from city-dwellers to convert others to any one religion? Do we have large networks devoted to railing against the inadequacy of your lifestyle?
As a city dweller myself, let me school you on the reality of the situation: YOU are the elitist. YOU challenge and threaten the lifestyles of others. YOU are inable to live tolerantly in a country where others are different from you, and will even dispense with the Constitution to accomodate your vitriol. Let's call a duck a duck: Jerry Falwell, Pat Buchanan, and Pat Robertson are products of your culture, not ours.
So let's see: when I tire of showering conservative victims with ideological mud, I'm supposed to return to my favorite subjects of obscenity and sexual perversion. Clearly I haven't been pulling my weight as a liberal blue-stater recently. I've been so worried about what's going to happen in Fallujah that it's been days since I corrupted the morals of a child or indulged in reckless perverted sex or had the resulting abortion.
Sorry, but really, we're supposed to be the mean ones?
It's interesting to relate that when the Slovaks suggested after the fall of Communism that Czechoslovakia be broken up, the Czechs jumped on that puppy. The Czechs viewed it as a good way to get rid of the welfare portion of the old republic.
Whatever happens, we've got to be sure that we lay claim to the countryside and that we maneuver them into the cities.
Anyone else here who's read the comments of "John Titor" whilst he visited our timeline?
Remember: We get the countryside, *they* get the cities!!
Proud daughter of the Old Dominion. But not above some of the fine California Chardonnay and hot tubbin'.
Just sayin'
Gotcha. But so you know, Seattle's witch-friendly. We may not have hot tub weather, and we are more partial to microbrews, but you'd be in friendly territory.
Just sayin'
hey, we got "red state feeling people" here in the blue states, and maybe they'll migrate to the red states. and all of you "blue state feeling people" who live in red states can come here. There really are some very beautiful parts of new england and new york state and even here in jersey. I know it might be a bit colder than where you live now, but we cant all go southern california or hawaii. And Vermont is no worse than Nrth Dakota! We'ld love to have you here in the North east. We're all about inclusion here in the blue states. So you've got a place with us if they actually go through with this. Lets hope they do......
Atrios, I love(d) your site. It WAS a great place for all of us Democrats to come together and unify the party. But you have decided to choose division over unity. You have decided that Democrats who happen to live in red states are less worthy and inferior.
Big Nasty | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 2:44 pm | #
Far be it from me to bar Big Nasty's drama-queen exit, but this Red State resident loves this forum.
And if any of this nutty secession stuff were to come to pass, I'd be packing up my family and moving us to Bluelandia in a heartbeat. that'd be a great country.
with great XC skiing, to boot.
Hmm, I thought that song by the Jimmy Castor Bunch was called "Hot Pants".
Yeah, we'll sock it to you, Daddy! Be careful what you wish for, Mike Thompson - you might get it.
I also made some bumper stickers. Those came out better.
Expand the number of expelled states out to 19 or 20 and I'm game. I'm tired of being led around by goobers who wear their ignorance like a shield.
While we've got the patient on the table, I'd also want to ask Austin, Atlanta, Memphis, Miami, and New Orleans if they want to join us. City states.
Big Nasty, you have revealed yourself as a resentful jerk. Go project all your low self-esteem on some other blog.
I have been trying to remind people that the Democrats will never get the W.H. or the House or the Senate back if WE completely right off the South.
Big Nasty, doesn't it work both ways? Many if not most Southerners and Rocky Mtn. folk call Northeasterners all kinds of names and attribute all kinds of stereotypes to them. They have for years. It's no more fair when that happens, yet we are supposed to just take it.
The unanswered question:
My state, as far North as it gets, has had a governor from Virginia and at the same time a Democratic leader in the legislature from South Carolina. The Democratic party of Mass. nominated and nearly elected a governor from Texas (blew it by blowing up at Natalie, thank God). A few years earlier the state between us had a governor from the Deep South.
How many Southern states have a similar record? I will give you the Bush brothers (appears someone down there wants them) but they've successfully passed themselves off as Southerners.
I'd like an answer. If there are any I'd like to know.
We've got different work to do. We in more Democratic States have to consolidate, it's your decision but it might be useful for people in more Republican states to build your state party structures.
GOODNESS! What an idiot.
That stupid fucking stupid fucker forgot that Minnesota and Wisconsin would have to be cast off from his idiot enclave.
So the blue states would be "Ectopia?" Does that make the red states "Entropia?" Sounds about right to me.
And I marvel at the right's ability to bitch, whine, piss and moan at the imagined slights, put-downs and social ignoring the liberals somehow do to them. Don't look now, boys, but you (apparently) won! How bad would be your bitching if you'd lost? You'd probably be raising the water level in the Suwannee with your tears.
Get over it, idiots. We're working on it, so you can, too. And expect our calumnification, spite, and downright hatred to intensify to almost tepid levels. Watch your back, though. We're watching you, and will be doing so with every one of your efforts to bring back the good ol' days of massah and missie and the halcyon haze of days gone by.
I'm comin'! I'm comin'!
Though my head is bendin' low...
Ed
but California has access, too. They border Mexico and they are blue, no?
These days more than others...
A week of people like you telling me that just because I live in a rural area, have a farm and go to church every Sunday that I'm inferior...But YOU don't want the W.H. or the House or the Senate. You want to tell people that you are smarter than them and better than them. You prefer to lose.
Bush routinely and openly bashed Massachussetts and the Northeast during the campaign, and that was considered OK. Kerry never bashed any part of the country.
Hypocrite.
Canada will take in blue states, but only if these new citizens pledge to listen to BNL, make it a habit of having beer and poutine for b-fast, and promising not to crash their autos into Toronto streetcars.
Did you know that Red Staters say "Yes, ma'am" and "Yes, sir"? This guy's done some damn fine investigative-type journalizing!
Sounds like a GREAT idea to me.
What are you blue states waiting for?
Incidentally, this weekend I was in LA talking with my law school professor uncle about this idea that, because the blue states basically subsidize the red states' backward and deadbeat asses, that they should secede from the union.
He told me that another professor at his law school is working upon a law school review artice in which he proposes precisely such an arrangement, citing, for example, the statistic that California sends about $60 billion a year more to the federal government than it gets back.
My uncle (who is bitter about this most recent election), said someone should float the idea of secession. He said this: "Those red states are so fucking stupid they'd probably go for the idea, wanting to have a divorce from us."
To which I replied: "While their populations my be stupid, their elected politicians aren't. Thus, there's no way they'll agree to this and allow the sources of their subsidies and pork barrell projects to dry up."
To which he said, "Yeah, you're probably right."
Well, it seems like this wingnut has proven the truth of my uncle's statement.
I say, now is the time to push for a mutually agreed upon divorce. The blue states can form their own new union, or join Canada.
The red states, can then go freely off to destroy themselves and sink in the mire of their own ignorance, prejudice, and poverty.
Of courese, the political and business elites of all of the states will resist any such arrangement.
Furthermore:
All blue-state soldiers get to return home. The cowardly thugs will now have to get out from behind their keyboards and enlist to fight their own holy war.
Red-state believers that live in blue-state (aka traitors) would be forcefully "relocated" to over the border to live in their red-state paradise.
No more largesse to support the military expenditures for all the fancy weapons of which they are so proud. OOPS!
Finally, when Mexico invades their sorry deteriorating ass, we sit back and watch the action on FOX News - and nothing else.
Big Nasty - do you honestly think that Atrios is promoting divisiveness?
that to me is just silly.
He's pointing out who wacky the right is with this whole thing and I fail to see how it is Atrios' fault that some wingnut wants to divide the country up.
We are the real America, and those people over there are not.
I can't find the post where I called rural churchgoers inferior. Any help?
Canada will take in blue states, but only if these new citizens pledge to listen to BNL, make it a habit of having beer and poutine for b-fast, and promising not to crash their autos into Toronto streetcars.
Streetcars? Oh, that's so . . . European!
sign me up. And it's pronounced "Ta-ronna," right?
smarty jones, We'd have to join the National Church too, Hockey Night.
If the blue states were ejected from the Union wouldn't the resulting blue nation have a greater population and GNP than the red nation? Then the blue nation could start a war of reunification! The armies of the west coast could drive to the mississippi river and link up with the eastern armies. The only fly in the ointment is that I think there are a lot of nukes based in red territory. The blue strategic arsenal would come mostly from the navy.
Hey, Nemmy, how many IDs do you use? I've seen plenty of "counter-trolling" types like you before. They all tend to have the most names of anyone on the board.
He said this: "Those red states are so fucking stupid they'd probably go for the idea, wanting to have a divorce from us."
We not only would need a divorce, but a restraining order.
Last week I considered the idea of assembling a sort of index of economic and social indicators in the Red States. It might be instructive to gather up the statistics on federal tax dollars received, educational standards, environmental degradation, executions, divorce, alcoholism, child abuse, incest...
I abandoned the idea because I realized it would only be divisive and give the Red State dwellers more reason to feel like the aggrieved party. But it sure would be fun...
In the dirty dozen, if you check into a hotel you are likely to wake up in a bathtub filled with ice, and "call 911" written with lipstick on the mirror. Your kidneys will be gone.
Snopes? What's that?
There is precedent. The split between the Czech Republic and Slovakia was driven by Slovakians, the "redder" of the two.
Vigorously heterosexual == make babies. The right-wing "white race" is scared of the demographics. Of course, judging by all those erectile disfunction ads, it seems a bit scared about its potency, too.
We will be glad to go, and we are taking our GDP with us. I'm sure God will provide for the flock in Jesusland
fuckthesouth.com
Let's form our own country. Let the bastards drown in their own doing. Let them sink in their pig-farms.
A week of people like you telling me that just because I live in a rural area, have a farm and go to church every Sunday that I'm inferior.
Inferior for those reasons? Not a chance. You came up with that on your own. People who embraced George W's unreason and unreality, knowing that they were unreason and unreal, are pig-ignorant and deserve what they get. Bush lied and you guys made allowances for it. Bush plundered the treasury. And you guys made allowances for it. So, screw you. Theft and murder don't count as moral values to you guys?
"Atrios, I love(d) your site. It WAS a great place for all of us Democrats to come together and unify the party. But you have decided to choose division over unity. You have decided that Democrats who happen to live in red states are less worthy and inferior."
--Wake up and smell the coffee. The country is ALREADY divided. People like atrios are just acknowledging what already exists and proposing various solutions to it.
--And why is "unity" with a bunch of people who don't agree with you, who don't like you, and who insist upon policies that drag you down, while the whole time sucking off your tit, such a wonderful virtue? I must be missing something here. So, please explain what is so laudable about this "unity" that you support?
Technical question: How long a grace period are we going to have, to permit migration? I'm assuming Bluelandia would want liberal Dems from the South, and that Redlandia would want RW Repubs from the North.
I'd suggest 18 months. Give most of us time to put our affairs in order. f'rinstance here in GA I've got a house to sell, and at the moment it's actually worth something.
Hey, Nemmy, blah blah blah... Anonymous
Dude, you need a hobby. Seriously. Run along now...
Anyone with half a brain can tell immediately the difference between spelling errors and typos.
Is there some reason this prick should be cut any slack?
So, if they kick us out, does this mean our plan to confiscate their guns and bibles is on hold?
I think the New England states should go for all Dem. governors. (Most of them are, I think.) I hope Romney will be appointed to something by Bush. Then New England should work in coordinated fashion on policy. New York and Pennsylvania and any state that wants to is welcome to join us, especially those that share the same problems. Assume we call ourselves the Northeastern Trade Area or something. We have to work on the environment, the regulation of the electrical grid, and so forth. "Pacifica" could do the same thing and we could collaborate on various things. This is just an idea for working from within the existing country to gain more control for ourselves.
Good day,eh?
I was thinking that the dems might want to think about a constitutiona amendment that goes the first amandment a little better.
Freedom of mind,body and soul.
What could be a better wedge issue?
If the right was against this kind of amendment it would force their hand and let the population know where they really stand.
ANd that wingnuttery is just plain stupid.How can we expect to come together as a nation when the rabid right insists on playing these word games.
I was listening to rabid radio last night and I couldnt believe the words comming out of the radio.Seems the election has made the right more rabid instead of more joyous.I just dont understand.I guess that they now hae a majority everywhere,now they want the rest of the country including the mind.
NEVER!
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I can't find the post where I called rural churchgoers inferior.
I'm sure you didn't. I'm sure I did. If I didn't, I meant to.
I'll stand by it.
I can't find the post where I called rural churchgoers inferior. Any help?
I don't recall reading anything of the sort from you, Atrios.
you know, Seattle's witch-friendly
I do love Seattle; it's a great city. Have a lot of good friends there. Great restaurants, too.
Oh, oh. Bringing up the "s" word will cause one of us to channel George B. Shaw.
"Dude, you need a hobby. Seriously. Run along now..."
I post here about once every four months for a few hours. You?
Hmmm...has anyone done a break down of educational achievement in red versus blue states? I think I can guess the results. BTW, I live in an extremely red area. Come to think of it, I've spent my whole life in red states, and yet I voted for Kerry. I suspect wingnuttery is not contagious, but there could be a genetic component. I don't think separating the red states and blue states would be fair. The blue states have almost all the culture, the best museums, theaters, films, etc., and the red states just have NASCAR and bass fishing shows.
Geeze, dave, Vulcan mind meld there...
There is a statement at the beginning comparing this to Swift's "A Modest Proposal" meaning that there is satire involved here. I don't think it does anyone on "our side" any service taking this at face value.
Really.
Anent Canada and Less [fewer] guns?
Canadians have more guns per person than here. They just don't kill people with them. The fault has never been with the gun. The fault has been with the solve-it-once-with-a-bullet attitude.
Then New England should work in coordinated fashion on policy. New York and Pennsylvania and any state that wants to is welcome to join us, especially those that share the same problems.
Sounds like the logical step to me, Leslie. Build on your strengths. The West Coast and REAL Heartland (where people have a heart) too. I'll work non-stop to get Maine's two senators to jump or to get them fired non-stop from now till whenever it takes. NH will be a bit of a problem but they've had Dems in those positions before. Lynch beat Benson!
Seriously OT: Does anyone else find Ed Schultz absolutely un-listenable? I'd rather listen to ESPN radio, and I'm a girlie man.
The Human Events proposition sounds pretty good to me. Illinois will proudly join the United States of Canada so long as it means the departure of Denny Hastert and Henry Hyde for brighter pastures like...Indiana.
I post here about once every four months for a few hours. You?
Anonymous
Oh, you're THAT "Anonymous"-troll. I'm sorry, I thought you were that OTHER "Anonymous"-troll. That guy is SUCH an asshole.
And don't even get me started on "Anonymous"-troll...
We could work out a cooperative swap program, so red-staters in blue states could swap jobs and residences with blue-staters in red states. Oh, wait that would require cooperation, I guess I'd just stay with friends in CA until I could find an abandoned red-stater house.
Wow, the idea of a progressive government with ethical guidelines and a motivated populace? The more I hear this idea, the more I like it. Why not?
Finally! Something I can agree with the wingnuts on. Blue State Independence!
what about Poland?
Leslie,
would the Northeast area bomb acid-rain polluting plants in Ohio?
Tena =
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr...lr/
flame27.html
plus
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr...elr/
flame3.html (the one on the left)
Well, Dubya said he wanted to be a uniter, not a divider, in his first term.
He also said that in his first term, he was a war president, but that in his second, he wanted to be a "peace president".
Does this mean that in his second term, he wants to be a divider, not a uniter? Because that is the way it's playing out.
Lincoln Chafee is standing pat. Damn.
oh for heaven's sake - are we sure that there hasn't been a handle hi-jack here?
Get over yourself, BN - I live in the reddest of the red and guess what? I don't feel stupid at all. Not one bit. Nor am I insulted.
C'mon - if nothing else, this topic is a nice bit of fun. For a change.
"I don't think separating the red states and blue states would be fair. The blue states have almost all the culture, the best museums, theaters, films, etc., and the red states just have NASCAR and bass fishing shows."
--The blues states also have and make most of the money.
--As a foreign diplomat I know said to me last Friday, "The brightest and best in America are on the coasts and in its major cities. That is the America the rest of the world admires. The ones in the middle are pretty worthless."
--It sounds completely fair to let these red state retrogrades sink in the mire of their own poverty, ignorance, savagery, and backward attitudes.
It was mentioned already that the exurbs - which exist in large part due to federal subsidies (e.g. of interstate highways) - are a large part of the megachurch, Republican voting red-country as the "red-states". However, note the similarities - an insulated, protected lifestyle based on federal subsidies.
The key to understanding the Rethug voting block is that they are dependent on the feds and resentful a la young adolescents. Indeed, the political mindset ('it takes a bully to keep us safe' ... 'gummint - read parents - is bad', etc.) is so very middle-school it's amazing.
what the hell does "vigorously heterosexual" mean?
You either are or you aren't. Didn't know my sexuality was measured in degrees.
Or is this something that affects those heterosexuals that are afraid that letting gays marry will cause them to be "intimate" with dogs, box-turtles or livestock?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Do we get to kick Reagan and Nixon's corpses out of California? There's a two seater outhouse in Mississippi that needs filling.
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Didn't answer my question.
So, if I'm the one who needs a hobby, then how come I can post here just a few hours a year, whereas you're likely here every day?
Carry on.
vigorously heterosexual?
Oh jeesh, can't stop laughing about that one. The average person here in Arkansas, fattest state in the land, is 300 pounds and couldn't be called vigorous about anything, except maybe rushing to get in line at the buffet.
In a word, the people in the heartland are repulsive.
Maybe they think they're vigorous because it must take a tremendous amount of strength to overcome the sheer sexual repulsiveness of potential partners just to successfully copulate.
would the Northeast area bomb acid-rain polluting plants in Ohio?
Interesting questions here.
1) How would the new Blue regions defend themselves?
2) Since New York is Blue, and the U.N. is in New York, how would representation work?
3) A lot of Red States still have nuclear weapons. Just sayin'
We just need to be sure to dig up all the nukes in SD, ND, and MT before we leave them to rot. You know what those things would be worth on the Black Market?
Col. Cluck...agreed. Ed's liberal version of Rush's "talent on loan from God" attitude sucks. Rush wore that shtick out years ago.
hmmm... Ohio would be in a bad position. Surrounded by Illinios, Michigan and Pennsylvania; Buckeyes constantly being reminded of their treachery! Perhaps we could liberate Cleveland and Toledo and leave the rest of the fuckers to rue their asshattery GOP allegiance.
The blue states have almost all the culture, the best museums, theaters, films, etc., and the red states just have NASCAR and bass fishing shows.
Na,ah! Laconia NH? Actually they've got some smart people there too, just lots of bikers and carheads too. Auto racing is endemic in New England too. And Maine, to its shame, just kept the infamy of being the only state where bear baiting, tracking with radio collar dogs and leg trapping is allowed. I'm deeply ashamed of that.
Houston Grand Opera, Louisville, ... and all those Southern writers? And I'm not counting Alan Tate who I don't get at all. Help me out here, Southerners.
Someone mentioned needing a land bridge from pacific blue states to great lakes and northeast. The bridge is Canada.
I don't feel stupid at all. Not one bit.
That's your #1 problem, dummy.
I can't find the post where I called rural churchgoers inferior
You know, we've heard a lot along these lines lately. That the Dems lost because we make fun of religion or are anti-religion or whatever. Of course, no Democratic candidate or spokesperson has ever said any such thing. It's either projection or a bad case of self-esteem.
Course, they can talk about Taxachusetts and make fun of the Lindh kid because he came from Marin County, California and that's ok. Bush can start every speech by saying that Kerry thinks Hollywood is the heart of America but the heart of America is actually [insert name of city Bush is in].
But the whole reason the Dems lost is that they aren't nice enough to the fundies.
I live in a red state, too. I'm doing all I can to change that. We made progress this election; the blue tide is moving gradually westward in my state. Until then, a little humor to blow off steam really shouldn't get anyone too upset.
We know Obama was right and that people coach little league in the blue states and have gay friends in the red states. Deep breath everyone.
Now wazzup with this NASCAR obsession? It's cars going around and around in a circle...
There was an idea floating around for someting called the Buffalo Commons several years ago. It was to create a national park out of the prairie states that have been losing their population for several decades. It didn't go anywhere but think of the fun we could have with photo-safaris to the red states. We could be completely self-sufficient so that not a dime was spent there. And we could drive our land rovers around taking pictures of the herds of mindless freeper sheep thundering across the fruited plains bleating hysterically. Hours of endless amusement especially when we are back home and watching it all on video. We just have to be sure that we don't feed them and that we don't let the children get to close to one as freepers are unpredictable, nervous animals.
Jeremiah Elias-As Tom Wolfe once said, you take the east and west coast off the US and you are left with the Ukraine.
Awww what the hell. I guess I could just sell the farm here and relocate everybody (the cattle and the rest, they're family too you know) to say, central or southern Illinois. Is there any place to hunt and fish around that area?
Or will hunting be illegal in the Blue States of America?
joking! jeez .. I keed, I keed.
If someone addressed this, I apologize - I missed it because the thread is already long - but what do we do about the Bush property in Kennebunkport?
They kind of hang out in New England.
Do we get to kick Reagan and Nixon's corpses out of California? There's a two seater outhouse in Mississippi that needs filling.
LOL thank you spinoza...
Yeah, I noticed the extra vicious speech and distortion on the right wing shows. I am wondering if we will be rounded up for re-education camps soon, if not worse. Should I wear an armband with the word "Liberal" on it?
I think Bill Maher is arrogant and misogynistic, sometimes funny, and sometimes righ ton the the mark. But I heard a vignette from a show where Alan Simpson, the former senator, got into a fight with him about how all of us feel superior to them, and that we are all laughing at them. THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY THE NEW TALKING POINTS. They are whipping up the resentment at us like crazy. You know, we already do RUN THE WORLD. 70 years ago, substitute the word "Jews" for "Liberals."
"vigorously heterosexual"
(heh) I believe it was the late, great Michael O'Donoghue of The National Lampoon who characterized guys like this as being terrified. Terrified of what? Terrified that their predilection for jerking off with a candle up their ass would be discovered.
One has to wonder about the absurd bullshit that drives the agenda for some people.
"Does anyone else find Ed Schultz absolutely un-listenable?"
Yes. He's got his heart in the right place, but he needs a better grasp of facts, and his format is terrible - completely inflexible. It seems that a good portion of his show consists of telling callers that their time is up.
"...openly, vigorously heterosexual"? H
That's just odd. I mean, do you have be caught having sex with members of the opposite sex at every opportunity?
Can't believe no one's mentioned India and Pakistan yet....
Look, folks. Partition doesn't work. Not in India, not in Ireland, not on the freaking Brady Brides. We need to find another way.
what the hell does "vigorously heterosexual" mean?
Bob Dole is here and feeling frisky.
Red states. Blue states. What crap.
Wonkette has a new map up; not the purple one, but a blue/red striped one, based on percentages of voters for Bush or Kerry.
Very interesting.
(yes, I'm sure it's available elsewhere; but then Atrios led me to that waste of time "Human Events" article, and besides, I have a weakness for Wonkette)
My response, in fact, to the article is not to respond to it, but to challenge the dichotomous conclusion: that it really is "us" v. "them." I'm telling you guys, Molly Ivins and many others in Austin have been fighting this fight since before your parents were born (well, some of your parents), and you gotta keep both your sense of humor, and your perspective.
And the country's not nearly so divided as the media would love us to imagine. Time to stop listening to "CW" (and I don't mean music!).
The part I find most incredible about this "proposal" is the nonchalant obvious racism of it. The "good" America is white; the "bad" America is mixed. Jeez, couldn't get much more blatant than that, could they?
Oh, and the opening claim that it's like Swift's "A Modest Proposal" is the moral equivalent of the bully making some hurtful remark and then, when people call him on it, saying "I was just kidding; you people have no sense of humor!"
"All in all a fascinating look into the mind of the "values"-based crowd..."
Here, "atrios" deceitfully implies that the article to which he links typifies his opponents' views.
One would think that after his recent punishment, "atrios" would reevaluate his use of straw men, lies, hypocrisy, propaganda and hateful incitement of weak-minded acolytes. It seems not.
In a word, the people in the heartland are repulsive.
Oh, come on. You can't lump everyone in the heartland together...
Did you know that Red Staters say "Yes, ma'am" and "Yes, sir"?
The Red Staters are natural serfs. That's why the rest of us want to be rid of their worthelss, freedom unworthy asses.
I like carz. And fishing shows. I like fishing shows more than I like fishing because you get to see the joy of catching the fish without the mindless tedium of casting, reeling, casting again, reeling again, ad nauseum.
Carry on.
Anonymous
I'm sorry, I get so mixed up. Which "Anonymous"-troll is addressing me?
Re: "Vigorous Heterosexual"... it's code for "Viagra enhanced sexlife".
Now on the grace period for immigrating - guys, I need political asylum, but it is going to take a bit to convince Mr. Tena. Maybe I'll just have to flee to the Blue and let him decide he misses me enough to follow. That can get dangerous. And lonely. And broke. Aaii!
I need political asylum. Please don't put too short a time limit on it.
Yet another good howler smackdown:
Do “northeastern elites” have troubling values? Sorry, but one of their values is handing free money to the less fortunate—a value red-staters seem to affirm as they stuff the free dough in their pants.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110.../
dh110904.shtml
Yesterday was even better:
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh110.../
dh110804.shtml
I Have A Name, therefore I am not a troll.
Jeremiah...hey, we're not all worthless here in flyover country. As I posted upthread, I've spent my whole life in red states. OK, some of them weren't red way back when, but they are now. Thanks to the diabolical influence of some prairie populist grandparents, I've seemingly escaped a life of wingnuttery. There still are a few of us who know, as my Grandmother used to say, "come here from sic 'em." But not many, I will grant you that.
what do we do about the Bush property in Kennebunkport?
They kind of hang out in New England.
Tena
Well, we build a wall around it, like East Berlin.
Hey, today's the 15th anniversary of the fall of the wall. Saw a great piece on the history channel last night. I had no idea that the wall fell because some beaurocrat announced by mistake that people could cross at will.
"what the hell does "vigorously heterosexual" mean?"
I think it means that you announce that you are hetero everytime you go to Wal-Mart. Just stand there and hold up a pair of jeans and announce "Man I like those jeans, they fit US HETEROSEXUALS perfectly".
What's the buzzing? Get the bug zapper.
I Don't Have a Name, therefore I am a troll.
Cool map, RMJ! I feel lots better, actually.
Nora - Yeah, the racism is breathtaking isn't it? White goes first on the list.
Oh my.
See, that is a lot of the problem right there. They just won't let go.
hat: You've been told before, dipshit: Cheney off and die.
the current state of things is just dreadful. let us rend this uneasy amalgam asunder. i will relocate to wherever, and throw in the "undecideds" just to sweeten the deal.
Can we please get back to discussing Parker Posey?
Please?
This is totally offensive stuff, but I think Mr. Thompson would benefit from it. Apologies if this has already been posted here:
http://fuckthesouth.com/
You can't leave me down here next to (ulp!) Oklahoma.
If we're going to exercise our statial prejudices, I'm getting ready to blast the Okies on the thread.
(LOL)
Forget about this Aristotelean time-space continuum blue/red state duality. Let's define blog states. We need blog administrations, etc. I have more in common with a lot of the bloggers here than the neighbor who doesn't know whether Columbus discovered Ameruka before or after World War I.
1) How would the new Blue regions defend themselves?
The best defense is a string offence. The blue regions are discontiguous so a war of reunification would have to be launched immediately. A preemitive strike on the red nuclear arsenal would be the first order of business. Then the blue states would have to achieve air superiority by taking out the red state air bases before the land war could commence.
I'm not one for blogwhoring but I posted some interesting maps and cartograms that give interesting graphic pictures of the vote (as currently tabulated). There in a number of posts but jump right out if you just start to scroll.
What if you're vigorously unisexual? Is there a state for that?
Ummm...
One problem with this scenario is that the red states will have all the uranium and all the *nukulear* weapons.
Tena, what really amazes me about you is that you're utterly clueless as to how much of a tedious moron you are.
Toodles!
Personally, I'd love to call the California-Oregon-Washington region Pacifica.
I had the same idea...with Hawaii added in.
his use of straw men, lies, hypocrisy, propaganda and hateful incitement
gee... haven't these techniques been used before... hmmm.... but where? and by whom?
Aw, Hecate, come on. You ain't lived until you've spent five hours watching cars make left turns at an earsplitting volume.
Maybe I'll just have to flee to the Blue and let him decide he misses me enough to follow.
There's always a place for you here in Ecotopia!
Mr. Tena, however, will have to be quarantined for six months... the delousing and re-education camp, you understand...
Our military will fly unmanned aerial drones that will carry electronic devices that will interrupt FOX broadcasting with gay porno.
We will slip in black youth across the borders to harass their white women, asking them "what's up, bitch?"
We will anxiously await word of whether our rivals go to Mars.
Heterosexual vigor is measured in Doles. As in Elizabeth saying to her husband, I'm a welfare trailer park queen because I am on the Dole. More than one dole a month is considered vigorously ungodly.
This country gets tired of anything during the course of a TV season. Let the "moral" wing have their run for a while and the hapless undecideds will long for the good old days of condescending elites.
Combine that with the joys of the Bush Plantation Economy and the midterms ought to go well, despite all the code orange action in late October 2006.
We should use this as our Blue States of America motto, it worked once maybe it could once again.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me."
Okay, I just got back from the New Orleans Mariners' Club luncheon (for the most part a group of white male Protestant English-speaking homeowners) and I am DEFINITELY starting to agree that this is a fabulous idea.
Haven't read the thread, but noted also that the author of the article felt the need to state that bush-voters are not just heterosexual, but "openly, vigorously" hetero--hmmm...thou dost protest too much, methinks
Tena, time to get the fuck out of Dodge. Running to the blue is a losers game, you'll just have to keep running as the red encroaches.
My kids say Mexico, I'm thinking Canada. Decisions, decisions.
Hold up. If I recall (and that's subject to the vagaries of a mind addled by too much pot-smoking in high school), "The Dirty Dozen" in the movies were the good guys. I mean, yeah, they were scruffy and outcasts, but they were the protagonists.
Please. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh, and the opening claim that it's like Swift's "A Modest Proposal" is the moral equivalent of the bully making some hurtful remark and then, when people call him on it, saying "I was just kidding; you people have no sense of humor!"
And ignoring the fact that Swift's essay condemned the brutal exploitation of the Irish, one the Irish didn't forget in WWII when England was being bombed.
The same kind of brutal economic thinking that drives American policy today, of course.
Irony is not dead. It's just lost on people too dense to appreciate it.
To all those who voted for Kerry in the red states: you can come to the blue states, just bring all your money with you. And all those universities and colleges that want to relocate from red to blue, we'll make room for you.
Name stealer's here again. I'm leaving so if he wants to he can use mine for a while.
The US Navy based mostly in blue states have all the nuclear weapons you could want. Aren't there any SAC bases (or whatever it is they call the SAC now) in blue states?
1) How would the new Blue regions defend themselves?
The best defense is a string offence. The blue regions are discontiguous so a war of reunification would have to be launched immediately. A preemitive strike on the red nuclear arsenal would be the first order of business. Then the blue states would have to achieve air superiority by taking out the red state air bases before the land war could commence.
I'd been thinking of an answer to my own question since I posted it, and then I realized the San Fernando Valley would be in Pacifica.
My plan: Airdrop tons of porn tapes and DVDS onto red state military bases. Since the troops there will be busy being vigorously heterosexual, Blue State troops can drive in, lock down the armories and missle launch stations, and have everything secure by noon.
Smarty Jones-Faux programming is already interrrupted with gay porn. O'Reilly was not alone when he was making those phone calls.
We will slip in black youth across the borders to harass their white women, asking them "what's up, bitch?"
Two words: Emmet Till.
One problem with this scenario is that the red states will have all the uranium and all the *nukulear* weapons.
I think we've got quite a nice stash of noo-kyu-lur missles here in the California part of Ecotopia... plus Lawrence Livermore Lab, the Jet Propulsion Lab, the Blue Cube, and all the people who know how it all actually works, and how to build more...
I know Wonkette's striped map is a joke but I find it quite ironic that the blue stripe in SC nearly identically matches the most heavily red counties of SC. That blue area went Bush nearly 2-1. The red area represents counties that went for Kerry or were fairly evenly split.
"That's your #1 problem, dummy."
Anonymous
Run along now, grown-ups talking.
U Fenian-Emma Lazarus was an obvious pinko commie lesbo feminist Kerry supporter.
I'm getting ready to blast the Okies on the thread.
Do Okies actually know about this site?
I'm not sure I have ever seen anyone admit here that they are from that vile state.
And its ok with me if you want to flame that backwards ass state.
The one bummer about the split is that we'd lose a lot of great natural scenery to people who would destroy it. We'll still be able to visit those areas, but they'd likely put cynanide mines in the middle of Yellowstone and dam the Grand Canyon. And there sure would be a fight over who gets the water in the Colorado.
But we'd keep the sierra nevada, the cascades, Hawaii, and the pretty half of the appalachians.
It's actually a perfect split. We'd all get along better. But I'd feel sorry for south florida -- South Beach and Key West would never be the same once "vigorous heterosexuality" became the law of the land.
Does anyone else find Ed Schultz absolutely un-listenable?
Shultz is an idiot. He lost me the day he was singing Colin Powell's praises. I believe he was advocating him for the VP slot. "Big Eddy's" knowledge of history obviously doesn't extend as far back as Vietnam. Oh, I guess he was still a Republican then.
missed you pie.
Was it just when I pulled up the article in question, or did anyone else notice this "family and moral values" article had quite a few quasi-gay porn ads in the margins of the webpage? I had to do a double take to figure out why a shirtless guy had to advertise water and why another guy in a gif animation was doing some sort of weird, spread eagle, ass-jutting push-up -- I mean WTF???? Anyone else see this?
JSG
Is it me, or does the US version of the History Channel seem to have a number of shows that would be better housed on the Discovery Channel? Modern Marvels, UFO shows and the like?
It was worth a try.
So where would Washington, DC go, since 90% of its residents voted for Kerry?
Would we airlift the White House to Denver or St. Louis?
Tena, not even all Okies are wingnuts. And just because we go to Dallas once a year, humiliate UT in the Cotton Bowl, tear up Fort Worth and beat the hell out of hapless Texicans who try to stop us, doesn't mean we're always barbarians. And we're the home state of the greatest hell raising populist folksinger of all time, Woody Guthrie. We won't talk about Garth Brooks.
Did y'all really think the right would go all cuddly when it won? ROFLMAO
That's not how bullies work.
Plus, some of them are all too aware of how they look and they are embarrassed and too embarrassed to admit they are embarrassed.
I"m telling ya - that's exactly what sent Simpson over the edge.
Run along now, grown-ups talking.
LOL Delusional!
Many schoolchildren in the South are taught that they were the victims of a war of aggression - this "war between the states" nonsense vs civil war. There is propaganda on both sides, but it cannot possibly be good to be raised with values of victimhood and denial of responsibility. It's a very efficient method of creating new Republicans, but other than that, the consequences seem rather dire for all of us.
Oh, come on. You can't lump everyone in the heartland together...
And just where the hell is the "heartland," anyway? I've seen locals describe it as, basically, wherever they are (so long as "they" are not on a coastline). Like nailing jell-o to a wall, trying to pin that one down.
and to nymary:
Cool map, RMJ! I feel lots better, actually.
Yeah, I was actually surprised Texas wasn't solid red with a tiny point of blue in it somewhere, something barely visible to the naked (or, in my case, bi=focaled) eye.
Easy to think it's all for W, until you look at the facts and ignore either the CW or Bush's idiot pronouncements about his "man-date."
When does he go on that, anyway?
The real drawback to this plan is that I'll have to give up SEC football. You weenies up north can't play for crap.
Seriously, the thought of having to watch the tedium that is Big Ten football or even worse, the Big East, is pretty horrifying. It may be too large of a price for me to pay.
You ain't lived until you've spent five hours watching cars make left turns at an earsplitting volume.
I once lived in a part of Maryland so rural that it only had one radio station and on Sundays that one radio station broadcast NASCAR races. Now if you think it might get a little boring watching cars go round and round in a circle, just imagine listening to someone else describing cars going round and round in a circle for several hours. It'll send you scurrying to a big city faster'n greased lightening.
sorry, way OT:
DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) -- A backup doping sample from the horse that won the show jumping gold medal at the Athens Olympics also was positive for a banned substance, the Irish rider's lawyer said Tuesday....
BITCH
Thanks, K Stone. I was busy, but made it here occasionally. Lots going on right now.
DC stays where it is, just like during the Civil War. If Charles and St. MAry's County want to join Jebusland, they're free to take the 301 bridge.
My plan: Airdrop tons of porn tapes and DVDS onto red state military bases. Since the troops there will be busy being vigorously heterosexual, Blue State troops can drive in, lock down the armories and missle launch stations, and have everything secure by noon.
AHA! First, cut off their supplies of facial tissue and toilet paper!
I've seen Bartcop post here, albeit rarely. And he's an Okie of the finest Democratic tradition.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 3:45 pm | #
Does your husband beat you, or is he as boring and trite as you are?
'Oh, that's too bad. Busted.'
*rolling around on the floor*
Ahh, so finally he learns his lesson. But only because Philathes whacked him with it yesterday, it seems. But he's been away for months though! He wasn't here yesterday!
Look AM, you are seriously ill. I'd hoped you'd at least have the sense to realise when you were heading towards another mental collapse, but you really truly are repeating step by step the same mistakes again.
Let's start with the basics; I can, should I wish to, prove exactly what I've been saying about you repeating your past insane thread. The next step is that you start pointing to comments you made under my own name as proof of said insanity. If the sheer obviousness of "America's Nemesis" supposedly saying "America's Nemesis' sucks" wasn't enough for any logical being (and that doesn't include you, apparently), you for some reason didn't bother to check the email/homepage field of those comments you linked to, which showed it was actually you anyway... You'd been up until that point dual trolling again, answering your own claims... but from here on in you became completely unhinged, and started foaming on about the word "whilst" (appearing once in the comments you quoted, out of *ahem* 3000 characters) and then eventually went and made harassing calls to the posters here pretending to be "Duncan Black".
How do I recall all of this? I have an excellent memory. But more importantly... I can refer to the thread itself, if I feel like it.
Apparently you don't seem to realise, despite pretending to be Toby earlier, that I used the thread you thought was so damaging to me, to laugh at Toby on his own blog. Look, this insane fool is using your own tactics... aren't you ashamed at how low you've sunk was the general drift. My only regret was not going back a few days later and reminding him what his number 1 fan had been up to since. Anyway, shouldn't take too long to rummage up again, assuming the links still on his blog... It was about a week after Edwards was confirmed as the Vice President ticket.
Oh, and you repeated the projection about name stealing in the previous thread too. Remember how we all laughed at you linking to the proof of you doing that yourself? If Philalthes hadn't directly told you what he was doing yesterday, I'd have probably got away with even that part of the dance today.
Don't you get it? I've even been telling you myself that I'm quite happy for you to repeat yourself... Go ahead, count the number of other trolls there after you start up with the dance again. Zip. Nadda. You are so insane you drive even them away. And you cease to interfere with the debate in anyway, because I've got you locked up obsessing about me. As you do in THIS thread too, from my ONE post I make you into a joke. Every single time.
Although this time, it's not actually in between bouts of City Of Heroes, but other things. Be
During his first term, Bush destabilized the Middle East. Now he's starting to destabilize his own country. Bush himself is a weapon of mass destruction!
ahem- the cleveland area delivered over 200K more votes for Kerry then Gore.
please slice off northern ohio and attach it to either Michigan or PA
Do Okies actually know about this site?
Do Okies even know about computers?
d, DC stays with Maryland.
More news from the culture wars. They don't even give us a week off to grieve:
"God has begun an evangelism movement in the workplace that has the potential to transform our society as we know it," says preacher Franklin Graham (Billy's son), who delivered the invocation at President Bush's inauguration.
The intersection between money and religion is nothing new. Just ask former televangelist Jimmy Swaggart. But the growing "faith@work" movement is quickly becoming an integral part of a larger social contract peddled by conservative Christian groups such as Billy Graham's Evangelical Association and The Promise Keepers.
Oh, and more news from the culture wars--from Texas, of course:
For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription because she did not believe in birth control.
They think they're threatening us with this idea? This idea is a gift!
Oh, to see Oklahoma and Texas wallowing in their own shit. Not to mention (fill in name of favorite red state here)!
Count me in -- how do we start?
Christ, I don't know where to begin with what’s wrong with this ...
First of all, the idea of allowing secession was explicitly rejected by the Framers, by none other than those good ol’ boys Madison and Monroe themselves. They correctly argued that the Union had to be inviolable to survive ... either we all hang together, or we shall surely hang separately (OK, that was from the Continental Congress, not the Constitutional Convention, but the underlying rationale hasn’t changed).
And how is Bushland going to meet its commitments to ridding the Free World of terrorism without NY and CA and their considerable economic and financial muscle and the taxes it would likely generate?
I also like how he threw NH out ... never mind that that state voted for Bush in 2000, and up till now has been as dependably Republican as its neighbor Vermont once was. Oh well, guess there’s no chance for redeeming the Granite State?
Overall this is just the deranged ramblings of yet another Confederate apologist. The South never started a Civil War? They raised an army against their own lawfully elected government. That’s worse than civil war ... that’s treason. They never sought to rule the other half of the country? Then what the hell was Lee doing in Pennsylvania?
I would also remind Mr. Thompson that the South was hardly united ... every Confederate state save SC raised at least a regiment for the Union Army, and in many interior regions (yes, even in FL, Mr. Thompson’s home state) guerilla resistance to the Confederacy was so strong that neither government officials nor the army dared venture. In MS, AL and LA, at least one county/parish each either declared independence or refused to secede from the Union. The poor wanted no part of what they correctly identified as a rich man’s war.
So where would Washington, DC go, since 90% of its residents voted for Kerry?
DC and the part of Northern VA that used to be DC will become part of Maryland faster than you can say black-eyed-susan and oriole. We voted for Kerry, too.
pj -- Those Florida beaches are gonna be innundated fairly soon . . .
Although this time, it's not actually in between bouts of City Of Heroes, but other things. Because... well, you are the expert in impotent repition, you tell us... What did I say was my typing speed last time, hmmm?
Go find the link over at Toby's if you need to crib an answer.
Addendum: 3,000 "words" too AM! Obsess for us, troll! Obsess!
You laughable, laughable little fool. But I loves ya!
Now if you think it might get a little boring watching cars go round and round in a circle, just imagine listening to someone else describing cars going round and round in a circle for several hours.
Pixar had a preview of its new animated flick before The Incredibles (which I can't recommend enough). Called "Cars," it looks to be about NASCAR, from the POV of the cars that race it or want to race.
As much as I'll avoid it like the plague, I know this'll make a boatload of money.
OT1-
Hetfield on Fresh Aire- Southern son in a broken religious family byproduct story...
Good Stuff http://freshair.npr.org/
OT2-
Dude, your ads are almost gone
I tried to say in a post earlier that I wouldn't support a Dem candidate with $$$ if he didn't overtly deal with election integrity issues...
Doesn't mean I wouldn't chip in here again though...
Eschaton outlet is worth a slice, and the input sometimes might not have been, if not seen here first.
jane_al,
YES! I was trying to figure out the subliminal messaging going on.
Glad I'm not the only one whose mind works like that.
That's not how bullies work.
So I see, right on this very thread.
To add to our earlier post, I add my endorsement of the idea of a constitutiuonal amendment to ban states from using the Confederate battle flag or anything derived from it as any part of their official insignia.
ONE NATION, ONE PEOPLE, ONE FLAG!
And we're the home state of the greatest hell raising populist folksinger of all time, Woody Guthrie. We won't talk about Garth Brooks.
Come on, now; I was doing midmarket country radio in college when his "We Shall Be Free" came out. Drove the wingers crazy every time I played it -- and it was in hourly rotation when I was on the mic.
That doesn't excuse you from sending a horde of drunken, ill-mannered barbarians down here once a year -- it's evidently only Texans' limitless patience that has prevented an Okie from running afoul of our concealed carry laws.
Luckily, Dallas doesn't seem too interested in refitting the Cotton Bowl to fit OU's oh-so-demanding standards, so hopefully I'll never have to see another "Trail of Tears Amusement Park" license plate so long as I live.
Go Nebraska!
To add to our earlier post, I add my endorsement of the idea of a constitutiuonal amendment to ban states from using the Confederate battle flag or anything derived from it as any part of their official insignia.
ONE NATION, ONE PEOPLE, ONE FLAG!
Sheik Arbusto,
no doubt.... Cleveland/Akron & Toledo shall be liberated!
Hecate,
Virginia stays with Jebusland. Arlington and Alexandria too. You picked it, you're stuck with it.
And the country's not nearly so divided as the media would love us to imagine. Time to stop listening to "CW" (and I don't mean music!).
right on, brother.
as I said last night: there are only three blue states.
You gotta love it, they've got all the levers of power and now they want to complain that they get complaints.
We'll if you wanted to be the minority party why did you win.
Stop your whining and fix everything you broke!
c.
But the whole reason the Dems lost is that they aren't nice enough to the fundies.
Fuck the fundies, they can kiss my anti-religious ass.
The time for being nice is over, we tried nice, Kerry tried nice and look what it got him.
Lets face it, the majority of the US just voted to keep the worst president in history.
This is not a recoverable error. The country has jumped the shark, and it is time for those who can get off the roller coaster to exit.
We need to pass a constitutional amendment that allows a state to leave the union.
Given the hate on the other side, this should be doable. These wingnuts are no longer just our enemies, they are now our tactical allies (like Bush and Bin Laden are tactical allies).
We can use their hate to escape from their hate.
America's Nemesis | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 3:48 pm | #
Atta boy! Clipped off at the end.
You do realize I don't read a single word of those spews, and that my amusement comes from imagining you furiously typing all those words, believing that people are going to pay attention to them.
You my bitch, bitch.
Hecate,
Stay in ... your growth can make VA a genuine swing state in '08.
Now listen here, Fed Up, I didn't say one damn thing about Oklahoma - yet.
You people need to all take driving lessons. I have never seen such bad drivers in my life as the ones around Ok City. From Norman up it is as much as your life is worth to try to steer your way through the yahoos on your freeways.
And don't get me started on musicians, because you are way way outgunned.
Then there is that rampant lesbianism --- oh, wait, that's an asset. LOL
Dear Red Staters:
Good riddance. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Pixar had a preview of its new animated flick before The Incredibles (which I can't recommend enough). Called "Cars," it looks to be about NASCAR, from the POV of the cars that race it or want to race.
Ai-yah! Saw that, and my friend and I turned to each other in amazement. "Guess they saw the writing on the wall, huh?" he said.
But note: the rusted-out pickup truck is dumb, buck-toothed and has a heavy Southern accent. Not exactly a glowing representation of Old Dixie, is it.
THe problem as I see it WRT shifting to blue is that Global Climate Change is a reality based problem that will not go away even after a split might occur.Making the blue states,for the most part,uninhabitable.
Of course if we were to listen to big brother ,we wouldnt be worried about this littel"blip" in the weather.
Heard some shcmuck on the rabid radio last nite try and pass off some study in Europe that claimed GCC science was WAY flawed.
Then I see a local rabid right teevee news tell me that artic ice is melting faster than ever.
They cant have it both ways.But if we are to consider a split,this is a problem.
Tena, RMJ, you can send your non-wingnut legislators to Oklahoma anytime. We'll protect them from those Texas Rangers.
I'm all for it! I'm moving anyway- let these idiots solve their own problems.
They can be the "Supreme Christian States of Delusion" for all I care.
Smitty,
You're hurting me here! I'd move, but we have all the good Thai restaurants here in Northern Virginia. Surely bringing those to the table counts for something? Besides, Blutopia need Dulles Airport. Tysons Corner shopping. The waterfront in Alexandria? Wolf Trap?
The Pentagon?
NYer--
Yeah, that "War Between the States" v. "Civil War" nonsense was a dead giveaway. The former is part of the Southern revisionist history, trying to move the issue from slavery to "state's rights," which is somehow more "constitutional" (especially after the 13th Amendment, which is one of the most sacrosanct in the Constitution now. Ever hear anybody challenge it's provisions or its application? Yet it prevents strict enforcement of non-compete clauses in employment contracts).
You reminded me of a plague in the Texas State Capitol, one I found on my last visit, and had never seen before. It was old, from the '50's, IIRC, and it commemorated the "War Between the States," which is specifically reiterated was not a war over slavery, but over state's rights. That stain on our public morals, that "hidden wound," as Wendell Berry named it, still injures us, and we still refuse to heal it by acknowledging our responsibility (or guilt, if you prefer).
And it undergirds and undermines the kind of nonsense that passes for "analysis" in articles like the one Atrios linked to, here.
With Swift, the premise was the distancing decvice: killing babies for food. The satire was in the tone of voice, the bland rationality that would come up with such an idea.
Our guy may be a satiric voice -- of someone too stupid to breathe. The whack addition and subtraction. (12 states + 31 = 43. Not 50. What was he thinking?) The blissfully unselfconscious attack on defamation. The blathering lack of recognition that Blue states subsidize Red states.
And on and on.
The trouble with the question of satire is that there's no reason to care on way or the other. The voice is too close to what we don't like in Bush, blues, and yahoos. What would be the point of a satire that didn't provide a measure of instruction?
DC and the part of Northern VA that used to be DC will become part of Maryland faster than you can say black-eyed-susan and oriole. We voted for Kerry, too.
nope, that's cheating.
you don't get to redraw state lines. the whole game becomes pointless if you do that.
As a red state resident I will join the underground resisitance and wait to be liberated by the blue army during the war of reunification.
Who loses out early on with gloabl warming-red or blue states? Lousiana and Florida would seem to be in the worst danger, but then the Eastern Shore of Maryland... What happens when the blue states are really (ocean) blue and more of us end up living in red states?
Of course the guy even lies about the murder rate, which is actually higher in wingnut red death penalty states.
see:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/...scid=12&
did=169
Just to be safe...Bush should be the President/King/Dictator of the new MoValLand to entice the blue state redders to move there.
Was it just when I pulled up the article in question, or did anyone else notice this "family and moral values" article had quite a few quasi-gay porn ads in the margins of the webpage?
Maybe it's because anyone who's so hostile to gays probabily has a problem with thier own sexuality. You know if gay marriage were legal, well, they might lose all control. Anyway, no doubt advertisers are going after thier subconscious.
Atta boy! Clipped off at the end.
You do realize I don't read a single word of those spews
Tena, RMJ, you can send your non-wingnut legislators to Oklahoma anytime. We'll protect them from those Texas Rangers.
I'm still proud of those Dems for taking off to try to stall DeLay's bullshit, I have to say. I was out there by the capitol bright and early to welcome them home when the whole thing came to its sad end...
Where there's life, there's hope!
Hecate,
We can all make a circle around the Petagon and levitate it to where ever we want.
Ditto with the thai restaurants- hell, let's just split VA, take the northern part with us.
Anyway, I have a new slogan....
Secession, Bitch!!
As Ann Landers used to say, when one is considering divorce, all you ask yourself, "am I better off with him than without him?"
This is one of those questions which even Ricky Vandal could answer.
Blue people in red states, you can come with with nurturing Mama Blue. We'll take good care of you. Daddy Red you get the red kids....and the purple kids can decide for themselves.
But the growing "faith@work" movement is quickly becoming an integral part of a larger social contract peddled by conservative Christian groups such as Billy Graham's Evangelical Association and The Promise Keepers.
OK, I just googled "faith at work movement" and found oodles of articles on this phenomenon. Now I'm convinced that the Christian Right will not be content until there is no separation between Church and Anything--work, school, government, state, you name it, they want to be in control of it. Don't believe me? Check out this article:
http://tinyurl.com/6qjrc.
Money quote: "People who want to mix God and business are rebels on several fronts. They reject the centuries-old American conviction that spirituality is a private matter."
There is no difference between Islamic and Christian fundamentalism.
Tena, you're awesome. More like you, please. Just thought I'd tell you how much you're appreciated ~ my little way of troll fucking.
Hecate, I never did understand watching cars go in circles. I equate it to watching paint dry. My dad was an auto mechanic, and he spends every Sunday in his chair watching cars go vroom vroom around a track.
And even dad voted for Kerry this time around.
"Seriously, the thought of having to watch the tedium that is Big Ten football or even worse, the Big East, is pretty horrifying. It may be too large of a price for me to pay."
stephen
Not to mention Big 10 and Big East basketball. It's a great cure for insomnia.
"Oh, come on. You can't lump everyone in the heartland together..."
I think calling it the "heartland" is woefully inaccurate. I suggest we change it to "Liverland", since that is where the bile comes from, but which, like Arafat's, is nonfunctional.
RMJ - "do Okies even know about computers?"
ROFLMAO
sincerely.
This line is classic: "Defamation, never envisioned by our Founding Fathers as being protected by the First Amendment, flourishes and passes today for acceptable political discourse."
It was, after all, that loonie liberal, Chief Justice Rehnquist, who wrote the opinion in Hustler v. Falwell that found that Larry Flynt's fake Campari ad stating that Falwell had lost his virginity to his mother in an outhouse was protected by the first amendment. And the opinion was for a unanimous Court, which included the king of all liberals, Justice Antonin Scalia. Where did those liberals come from? and where did they get those radical ideas about the first amendment?
both watching paint dry and watching cars go in circles are only fun if you're drunk
Ai-yah! Saw that, and my friend and I turned to each other in amazement. "Guess they saw the writing on the wall, huh?" he said.
But note: the rusted-out pickup truck is dumb, buck-toothed and has a heavy Southern accent. Not exactly a glowing representation of Old Dixie, is it.
Oh, now that you mention it....heh.
My wife was just stunned about the Cars thing (muttering "oh dear god"), feeling the joy from the Episode 3 trailer cancelled out.
theodoric,
if you can't re-draw lines, what about invasion/liberation?
think calling it the "heartland" is woefully inaccurate. I suggest we change it to "Liverland", since that is where the bile comes from, but which, like Arafat's, is nonfunctional.
now that's funny
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 3:59 pm | #
Jones County, Mississippi became the Free State of Jones and seceeded from the confederacy and local people are still proud of it. As for this twit, his whole rant stinks of insecurity. That really seems to be underlying his dribble. I find that most confident people don't go around bellowing that they are wonderful, moral, better, smarter, talented, etc. The bellowers and their pathetic need to denigrate others are deeply insecure. And this need to keep hollering that they are great and liberals are evil is just magic thinking in action. They really believe if they keep saying it and saying it and saying it that the magic will happen and they will become great. Total rubbish but notice how many "libs are evul" books and talkshows are out there. Magic thinking won't make it so.
Sorry, McRob --
Too many of us are Irish to ever swear allegiance to the Queen of England.
Smarty Jones,
I nominate you to be the very frist govenor of state of North Ohio.
"Yes, as I said in the previous thread, bring this on. Why did we give several hundred thousand lives 140 years ago to keep these guys in the Union anyway? Does anybody recall?"
Um, so I don't have to pick cotton anymore?
One of the fist thing the Jebusland people will do is carve Reagan and Bush onto Mt Rushmore and change every street with the name of Kennedy and Martin Luther King to Jesus Ave. There will be a lot of changes in Jebusland to be sure.
Hecate,
They can have the Pentagon, at the pace they'd run it they'll be out of money in a week and start taxing the living hell out of Red-Land.
All of us Blue-staters can then relax while vacationing on the tax cut we all got when we jettisoned the dead weight states.
c.
think calling it the "heartland" is woefully inaccurate. I suggest we change it to "Liverland", since that is where the bile comes from, but which, like Arafat's, is nonfunctional.
now that's funny
"Yes, as I said in the previous thread, bring this on. Why did we give several hundred thousand lives 140 years ago to keep these guys in the Union anyway? Does anybody recall?"
Um, so I don't have to pick cotton anymore?
Who loses out early on with gloabl warming-red or blue states? Lousiana and Florida would seem to be in the worst danger, but then the Eastern Shore of Maryland... What happens when the blue states are really (ocean) blue and more of us end up living in red states?
spinoza
OT, but I was in Venice last week and, holy shit, talk about rising waters... St. Mark's square was literally under two feet of water at high tide!
(sorry, fillies, this stud is married now!)
Atta boy! Clipped off at the end.
*snickers*
It wasn't anything important pal. Just something about how I manage to get you to stop interfering with debate here and end up focusing on me.
you furiously typing all those words
Nothing about that at all, not even after the cut off! Damn, I am so pwned... Ya got me there, furiously typing I am
believing that people are going to pay attention to them.
You don't need to read them to pay attention though... That I believe is truly an illustration of pure p... well, you know!
You my bitch, bitch.
Press F5 on the MAIN page for once, my obsessional friend.
Now I'm not insane enough to actually believe our gracious host cares much for my antics here personally... But gotta admit a wry little chuckle thinking about what's the top thread now; Won't you join me in taking a bow? I think we've earned one, don't you? Ladies and gentleman of the audience, we thank you!
From: NYLAREBUS@aol.com
Subject: "NO NOTHINGISM" IS BACK
(submitted by Gordon Suber)
Really. Look it up in Merriam Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.
"Know-nothingism : a political attitude or philosophy of the
mid-twentieth
century characterized chiefly by anti-intellectualism and exaggerated
patriotism
and by fear of foreign and subversive influences."
fuck this nazi redneck cracker. american my ass. i'm more american in my pinky than this fascist son-of-a-bitch. hell, california should secede. let's see how america does without the billions of dollars we pump into its treasury or the man/woman power we're currently providing for the war on "terror" (apparently california has the highest number of casualties in the war in iraq, although probably proportionally so.) i hate these bastards. ignorant, loud, and boastful, with absolutely no sense of history. without people like me and my parents, this country would be a completely backwards-ass, technology and scientifically primitive hellhole filled with slack-jawed yokels who have sex with their sisters and moms and their livestock.
I dunno - Heartland, Liverland, hmmm, Stomachland? Abdomenland?
I have it!
Gutland Ta da
There is no difference between Islamic and Christian fundamentalism.
Spot on.
What a comeback.
TJ, apparently you haven't been FREAKING PAYING ATTENTION TO MY RANTS!!
Sorry. But I've been bitching about this stuff for the last 2 years- I suppose everyone thought I was high or crazy.
Well, I may be, but fundies are fundies and their goals don't change.
So, Secession, BITCH!!
you know what i would love someone to do...
somehow get a massive role of conservative christian phone numbers, and then poll them on questions such as 'do you support bush suspending the electoral process if it's the only way he can eliminate gay marriage and abortion?' the key would be to pretend you were with a christian organization that had it's lips on bush's lower portion... so that they're candid in a way they wouldn't be if it was just some random news organization. throw around a lot of 'liberal activist judges' 'god haters' 'pansy tree huggers'
just to finally prove how wacked out and insane these people are, and how much respect they truly have for this country.
OK, I just googled "faith at work movement" and found oodles of articles on this phenomenon. Now I'm convinced that the Christian Right will not be content until there is no separation between Church and Anything--work, school, government, state, you name it, they want to be in control of it.
Yep. As if allowing corporations to do random drug testing wasn't a blatant enough end run around limitations on gov't powers, now we've got the corporations on the side of "God."
More reasons to smash capitalism. As if we need them.
"GORE/KERRY USA is ethnically diverse; multi-religious, irreligious or nastily antireligious; more sexually liberated (if not in actual practice, certainly in attitude); awash with condo canyons and other high-end real estate bordered by sprawling, squalid public housing or neglected private homes, decidedly short of middle-class neighborhoods; both high tech and oddly primitive in its commerce; very artsy, and Babelesque, with abnormally loud speakers."
I take offense at the "loud speakers" characterization. I'm hard of hearing and need to turn up the volume at times.
did anyone mention to him that they'd have to make the new capital branson missouri! i say let's take this deal before they relent. no deferments!
A lot of Red States still have nuclear weapons. Just sayin'
I believe it was Sen. Russell Long who said, "States Rights is dead. The Feds have The Bomb."
I nominate you to be the very frist govenor of state of North Ohio.
Sheik Arbusto
thanks, Sheik. Do I get free perogi and Cleveland-style polka lessons? Come to think of it, my damn ex-landlord in Cleveland still has my freakin deposit... maybe I'll imprison the a-hole, or make him listen non-stop to that old weatherman on Fox who loves the wolly bears.
I have a friend in Louisiana and she tells me that every year, they lose more and more of the coast because of hurricanes and shore erosion. She said that a friend who hunts discovered that the marsh he usually duck hunts in is now open sea. And if the wetlands go, Louisiana won't be the "sportsman's paradise" anymore.
There is no difference between Islamic and Christian fundamentalism.
Spot on.
actually, there is. one thinks they are oppressed and have been for centuries, and that everybody is against them...
the other actually is.
But the growing "faith@work" movement is quickly becoming an integral part of a larger social contract peddled by conservative Christian groups such as Billy Graham's Evangelical Association and The Promise Keepers.
We have a group where I work. They meet on the 2nd floor of the building at lunch. A couple of years ago, the leader of this prayer group, which has now morphed into the "faith@work" group, made a public petition to people in the Company not to attend the Marilyn Manson concert that was held at the local arena, because, as he stated, Marilyn Manson is a creation of Satan. I was directly involved because I manage the Company's suite at the arena. This guy was stalking me with proselytizing e-mail every few hours for about a week, begging me not to offer tickets to the concert and threatening me with my damnation into eternal darkness if I did. I had nothing to do with the fact that Marilyn Manson was coming to town, but that didn't stop this guy. I eventually forwarded the e-mails to HR and the harassment stopped, but it was still creepy because this guy was trying his damnedest to save my hardened soul.
We have the Trident subs. Detente.
;>
nope, that's cheating.
you don't get to redraw state lines. the whole game becomes pointless if you do that.
Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory of Texas civics from high school is the vague recollection that Texas joined the Union (originally, before the War) on the condition that it be permitted to subdivide into 5 different states, if it so chose (maybe this was the price we paid for giving up a bit to Oklahoma and Colorado?)
If that's true, maybe we could ensure that one of those was blue, and centered on Austin.....
St. Mark's square was literally under two feet of water at high tide!
I think there are > 100 days a year that that is true.
Hmmm... you may have something with the Know-Nothing Party analogy. And let's see, which presidnet later became a member of the American Party (thier other name)? None other than the turly horrific James Buchanan, the last president before the Civil War.
IMHO- The worst president in history. Until now.
Texans! Oklahomans! Please, don't fight. Look what brings you together. You both, for example, share Ray Wylie Hubbard.
And the rest of the country looks at you like your a bunch of shit-kicking yay-hoos (joke, joke, joke).
So Nero can whine and bitch about "librul Senator from Massachusetts" and he gets a pass.
Kerry is polite enough to say nothing of the "utterly fake cowboy who pretends he's from Texas, but he's actually from Joe Lieberman's home state," and we get accused of arrogant regionalism.
Sorry...I meant:
> "A lot of Red States still have nuclear weapons. Just sayin'"
We have the Trident subs. Detente.
;>
A week of people like you telling me that just because I live in a rural area, have a farm and go to church every Sunday that I'm inferior.
Actually, we voted as if it was more important for your children not to die young from industrial pollution and lack of basic healthcare than it is for their parents to get a rush for a week or two out of deciding what complete strangers are allowed to do with their genitals.
Sadly, thirty years or so of voting for politicians who understand what your priorities are has made that an uphill battle for us, and sure as shooting you pushed us back.
What did you win?
Very creepy, Vicki S. Strange folk.
St. Mark's square was literally under two feet of water at high tide!
Not much attention to this news from Big Media,eh?
Tho I did see a peice about Venice and how they're flooding out on PBS.
Ahhhh yes,back when PBS had a pair and were'nt scared by the junior hunta.
I have a friend in Louisiana and she tells me that every year, they lose more and more of the coast because of hurricanes and shore erosion. She said that a friend who hunts discovered that the marsh he usually duck hunts in is now open sea. And if the wetlands go, Louisiana won't be the "sportsman's paradise" anymore.
If Louisiana goes, the shore will migrate up to Houston's front door.
Texas is just one gradual slope from Galveston up to the Hill Country and East Texas. Driving from here to Tyler my ears actually pop as the altitude rises sharply. Raise the sea level, and some of Texas (some of it heavily populated, like the Houston/Beaumont area) returns to the sea floor it once was.
Wouldn't take much, either.
"There is a statement at the beginning comparing this to Swift's "A Modest Proposal" meaning that there is satire involved here. I don't think it does anyone on "our side" any service taking this at face value.
Really.
old and in the way | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 3:22 pm |"
Then explain the rest of the sentence:
"it is nevertheless serious in pointing out the cancer that continues to threaten our body politic."
Cancer = Liberals. He's serious about that part.
Just wondering why the wingnuts are starting to spout these things. Are they just bad winners? Or was the election a lot closer than anyone knows, given all the polling place shenanigans and lack of a paper trail for Diebold and others, and is the guilt starting to bubble up to the surface in the form of this fevered rhetoric?
I recommend that everyone who thinks that this guy is a solitary looney check out Orcinus, Dave Neiwert's excellent site. The eliminationist rhetoric just keeps getting stronger, even as the wingnut agenda gets more and more respect from our national leaders and big media.
Who was it who said there were "two Americas?" And who got castigated for it by the right? Oh, yeah, John Edwards.
Don't forget Poland!!!!
The new red states can call themselves
"The American Separates Society of Holy Organized Liberty Evangalistic States"
or ASSHOLES for short.
And the rest of the country looks at you like your a bunch of shit-kicking yay-hoos (joke, joke, joke).
Hell, backslider, we are.
And I've got the boots and the Okie cousins to prove it!
"Hi, I'm Bob and I just love pussy. Nice to meet you, reverend."
Backslider
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You are making it so hard to pretend to work...
Ya know, splitting the red states off from the blue states just wouldn't work.
First, it would S-L-O-W-L-Y dawn on the Red State troglodytes (no offense to higher forms of life that happen to reside in those godly states) that they "got nuthin" but their bile to sustain them. Then, God would speak to the Chimp and soon, very soon would come the demand to hand over Zarqawi...or else.
Before you know it, our Urban Centers would look like Fallujah, and Allawi would be elected the blue states leader by landslide vote conducted thru Diebold.
"Hi, I'm Bob and I just love pussy. Nice to meet you, reverend."
I think I've just answered the age-old question: yes it is possible to have Cobb Salad come out your nose.
:-b
If Louisiana goes, the shore will migrate up to Houston's front door.
Texas is just one gradual slope from Galveston up to the Hill Country and East Texas. Driving from here to Tyler my ears actually pop as the altitude rises sharply. Raise the sea level, and some of Texas (some of it heavily populated, like the Houston/Beaumont area) returns to the sea floor it once was.
Wouldn't take much, either
It's happening...
but, don't worry. According to the Bushies, global warming is all a conspiracy.
about Venice,
Anonymous, apparantly it was one of the worst days they have had with their 'acqua alta' problem, but yes, they have many days of high water.
They are going to have to come to some kind of solution, but sinking land and rising waters do not make a good combination.
smallfish, was that a recent PBS documentary?
jak ci mas Smarty Jones
First born son of Polish immigrants here. Hey, by the way, did you hear that the same weatherman got his ass kicked by his younger wife? She went medieval on him; he looked like W after that near miss with the pretzel.
if you can't re-draw lines, what about invasion/liberation?
look, the lines are what they are. they're artificial. The boundaries of individual states are as phony and contrived as the boundaries of, say, Iraq.
we can play games about red states and blue states, but there are no realities underlying the red state/blue state thing that aren't utter accidents of geography.
we probably should redraw some state lines. eliminate the oregon/washington boundary, for example, and divide the Northwest along the crest of the Cascades. Redraw the map of the South so that the state lines actually mean something. (I'd be real happy if Alabama would give the chunk north of the (Tennessee) river to Tennessee.)
But this talk of liberating people from red states is just silly.
Wouldn't take much, either.
Sounds like an improvement to me, Jeffers.
Of couse you're invited to come be blue with us.
"vigorously heterosexual."
You mean in a "Deliverance" sorta way?
Washington and Oregon are in. Is this idiot kidding? Washington's Congressional representation is 9/11th Dems, and Seattle is proudly represented by Jim "Baghdad Jim" McDermot. He's just the right of Lenin (without all the nasty gulag nonsense and forced collectivization).
Hecate, we've got BWI, White Flint, Takoma Park, the Inner Harbor and (my personal favorite) the AFI Silver Theater. But I'll relent. I'm simply having a bad reaction here. I left NoVa two years ago and will never look back. But, bizarrely, Va has the Demo governor and Md. has the Republican. Go figure.
minusp and deja pseu,
I live to please. Actually, for a time in high school, some folks thought I was gay. Never could figure out why. Played football, hunted and fished, liked Willie Nelson and Hank Williams Jr., and - proving without a doubt my trailer park creds - occasionally dipped snuff. So I asked 'em why. They said "Well, you don't date much and you read a lot. You better start acting straight pretty quick."
Which is why I've never really bought the whole "moral values" thing of rural America. If you have to threaten someone into diggin' critter, it really ain't moral.
And for the record, the story ends when I told one of the dipsticks threatening me that he could ask his sister and his mom how "heterosexual" I was. And then I got the shit kicked out of me.
"Forget about this Aristotelean time-space continuum blue/red state duality. Let's define blog states. We need blog administrations, etc. I have more in common with a lot of the bloggers here than the neighbor who doesn't know whether Columbus discovered Ameruka before or after World War I.
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 3:36 pm |"
The Virtual State of Blogistan - I like it!
The thing that people are missing is that "vigorously heterosexual" should include the coda of "but NOT having sex unless I'm married and intend to keep my wife knocked up for the next twenty years."
I actually know someone like this, who does not consider my marriage valid because a) my husband is divorced (the years of abuse from his ex-wife don't matter because men can't be abused) and b) he already has children and we have absolutely no intention of having any more.
I'd rather not live in the same country with this man--although I *am* concerned at the rate at which he, and all the others like him, will reproduce, while we in the Rational States of America will monitor our fertility and eventually be pushed off the continent by their sheer number.
smallfish, was that a recent PBS documentary?
IIRC it was within the last year and I think it was a NOVA program.
ok ... for the RED states ...
what will be their national athem and official symbols? national bird? motto on coins? capital? denomination? you get the idea ...
I haven't read this thread, but have read the article Atrios linked. I agree that while the piece has much inaccurate trash in it, I think the division of the US is not wholly a bad thing. It could be a good thing for the world, in fact. Whether or not any of the "ejected" states joined Canada is another issue, but having a less seems attractive to foreigners, especially with the Shrubinator in office.
The notion that the remaining states would be economically successful is questionable. I think that the so-called "Blue States" would do very well, and the others, once deprived of the flow of funds from the federal government, would find things aren't as rosy as all that. Just the loss of California from the US would have a HUGE impact. They are as big as Canada in population, and have a monster economy. Losing New York wouldn't be easy either. These are big engines.
I don't think there will be anything come of this, but it's interesting to contemplate. Up here in Canada we have to contemplate the split up of our country every few years when the separatist movement in Quebec heats up. I don't know if that will happen either, but it could. That would split "English Canada" into two chunks, west and east, which could make for interesting new nations if, for example, the Maritimes in Canada joined with New England States in the US.
All hypothetical musing for now, but there's no telling what could happen in a few decades time.
The Virtual State of Blogistan - I like it!
I can see this rapidly leading to a government futures market.
where's enron when you need them?
That Human Events tinfoil hat obviously is in size XXL.
There is a mailbox here.
>
Up here in Canada we have to contemplate the split up of our country every few years when the separatist movement in Quebec heats up.
it'd be funny if those new yorkers headed off on their own with mexique du nord.
But this talk of liberating people from red states is just silly.
theodoric.
well, can we at least smuggle them some necessities of blue state living, such as red wine (preferably of french vintage), outkast cds and The Daily Show tapes?
"The real drawback to this plan is that I'll have to give up SEC football. You weenies up north can't play for crap.
Seriously, the thought of having to watch the tedium that is Big Ten football or even worse, the Big East, is pretty horrifying. It may be too large of a price for me to pay.
stephen | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 3:46 pm "
Hey, what about the PAC-10, which currently has the #1 and #4 ranked teams in the country!
And then the red folks also would have the Arizona-Texas border with Mexico to import goods through, as well as the Mississippi River.
Plus, it will come in useful when the Jesusland economy collapses. They can wetback into Mexico.
pop the relative tax table into an excel file and look at the change between 1994 and 1999, then compare to the change between 2000 and 2003.
Just sayin.
Technical question: How long a grace period are we going to have, to permit migration?
I'd say two years, which also gives us time to get our government up and running -- and split up the CD collection (or, rather, all the mobile property of the federal government, like the tanks, bombers, space shuttles, etc.) in a fair and agreeable manner, and for both sides to reorganize their military and other federal services (presuming an unlimited right of return in the transition, there's going to be some disruption as people currently serving in official capacities "opt out" of Redlandia -- or those serving in states forming Bluelandia opt to return to Redlandia.
Do you guys really hate gays and people of color?
"Yes, sir!"
I liked Bush's idea of going to Mars, they can all go there since it is a RED PLANET.
thanks, smallfish.
sheik, what is that weatherman's name... can't quite place it!
Oh, and Mr. Jeffers--
"You reminded me of a plague in the Texas State Capitol"
--this is the best Freudian slip I've seen in a very long time.
A plague in the Texas State Capitol explains a WHOLE lotta things.
Oh, and Mr. Jeffers--
"You reminded me of a plague in the Texas State Capitol"
--this is the best Freudian slip I've seen in a very long time.
A plague in the Texas State Capitol explains a WHOLE lotta things.
Dory O: Have you ever starred in a Hollywood film? +30
I flashed my ass in Braveheart. Does that count?
And I gotta admit...I'm not a vigorous heterosexual. I'm a heterosexual, true, but it's more like it's an afterthought. The fuck does "vigorous heterosexual" mean, anyway? Do you have to start every convorsation with "Hi, I'm Bob and I just love pussy. Nice to meet you, reverend."
Oh, come on - the Red Staters aren't that uncouth.
You say "Hi, I'm Bob. Nice to meet you, reverend" while staring at his wife's tits and drooling.
Someone proposed a similar idea last year: gunsanddope.com
I read it last night and it was kind of wierd knowing it was writtin in 2003.
Alright, I have used enough swear words to completed my venting.
Let us get serious now. The right-wing has destroyed any real chance for the Democrats to get back into government any time soon.
How do we change our lot in life? It is not enough to get even with the evil ones. We must banish them from ever raising their heads again.
We have an army of lawyers who were willing to help us during the election. We have an army of supporters who feel we were cheated. We organize ourselves to attack and destroy the right-wing and their structures. We attack the redistricting that has had the intended results of eliminating all representation in government of anyone other than the right-wingers. We destroy their control of government by demanding the redistricting be done fairly across the nation using a national standard, imposed by the Supreme Court.
Plan of attack:
We file suits from every state against every other state civil rights violations of the:
1964 Civil Rights Act;
14th Amendment, all sections; this is especially important to challenge the redistricting Gerrymandering to protest one party or the other. We challenge all state’s redistricting to force an open redistricting based on geographical boundaries and not divisions that are for political protection of party control. The court ruled that Gerrymandering was okay as long as it maintained a balance between the two parties. It is no longer used to maintain a balance, but to get one party control of the entire federal government. It is the intention of the right-wingers to violate the civil rights of citizens in other states by redistricting the states they control to prevent representation and participation in law development in the U.S. Congress and state legislatures. By eliminating Democratic representatives in the state of Texas, I as a Virginian am not allowed to be represented in Congress as an equal, but as a minority and without voice in political discourse.
15th Amendment
Voter Rights Act.
Another prong of attack:
While we pursue the political agenda above, we must attack all the talking heads on the right. We must sue them just as we did the KKK and the Nazi parties. We must destroy their assets, their income, and all their future gains. Completely and utterly destroy their power base. FOXNews, their talking heads, their supporters, and their owners.
We have a lot to do and tomorrow is not soon enough.
I am sure that we have more fronts to attack them on, but the main thing is not to do the same as we have done in the past. We need to cut this cancer from the American Politic. This is about being Americans and not Democrats or Republicans. The right-wingers are not Republicans, they are thugs, Nazi and KKK wanna-be.
EasyRider
Ironically enough, Nero's persistent indifference to the realities of global warming may only accelerate the descent of the South into the Atlantic Ocean.
Florida would be the first to go.
This is so far downthread no one will probably see it. This map is a representation of the US with RepDem % in redblue gradations by county and states shown proportional to their population instead of land area. Red-Blue is not a binary state. The RedBlue split is not possible geographically. Except for UT, WY, MA, VT, and CT, every state is some shade of purple.
I understand Big Nasty's consternation, although I don't think Atrios is guilty of "regionalism." As a stalwart liberal in the heart of a deep south red state, I find some posts on this thread as shrill as Mr. Thompson's, and just as misguided.
oops, didn't finish my thought. Now just for laughs, add up the total in spending change for the 1994-1999 time frame, and then the total for the 2000-2003 time frame. Got it? Ok, now take out the district of columbia. Total change 1994-1999= 1.67. 2000-2003=2.22. Without DC: 1994-1999= 1.58 2000-2003= 0.56
You my bitch, bitch.
Anonymous
Wow, they just keep getting smarter and smarter. Snappy comeback man.
I always read everything AN writes.
Haloscan ate part of my post. That should have been "Rep-Dem % in red-purple-blue gradations"
I am especially intrigued by the "vigorously heterosexual" label - I think that's what I was trying to do all through college, but we didn't call it that!
Red State National Anthem has got to be something by Toby Keith.
If the blue states were ejected from the Union wouldn't the resulting blue nation have a greater population and GNP than the red nation? Then the blue nation could start a war of reunification!
In the name of Allah almight, why would they want to?
"The fuck does "vigorous heterosexual" mean, anyway?"
The SF Chronicle has a suggestion: perhaps those Viagra and penile enlargement spammers are Red supporters! http://tinyurl.com/3smra One of these fellows is a failed White Supremacist leader. Obviously, then the above is a "subtle" ad for the product line.
One of the great, as in 'enormous', stories we Blue folk have ignored - to our horror presently - is the persistant hope that The South Will Rise Again. That's what this is all about really, isn't it? ... If they want us all kicked out, then we'll take our liberal technology and leave them to "spawn harmony".
Red State National Anthem has got to be something by Toby Keith.
Shows what you know. The red state national anthem is the stomach-churning God Bless the USA, and has been for years.
Toodles!
Anonymous
Oh, would that it were true...
Might I suggest Ecotopia? Ectopia sounds like the land of life-threatening out-of-place pregnancies.
cmdicely
LOL No kidding. That was my thought as well. Ecotopia works much better.
If someone addressed this, I apologize - I missed it because the thread is already long - but what do we do about the Bush property in Kennebunkport?
Make 'em kiss a copy of "The Female Eunuch" before we let them over the border every time they commute. That'll screw 'em.
Let's do it!
The only thing that would make me happier is if The Rapture happened tomorrow and took all the "saved" so the rest of us could get along in relative peace -- not so much Left Behind as Left Alone.
If someone addressed this, I apologize - I missed it because the thread is already long - but what do we do about the Bush property in Kennebunkport?
Make 'em kiss a copy of "The Female Eunuch" before we let them over the border every time they commute. That'll screw 'em.
Wouldn't take much, either.
Sounds like an improvement to me, Jeffers.
Of couse you're invited to come be blue with us.
Thanks, but I've always wanted to retire to the Hill Country.
Maybe I'll still be able to, and have a beach nearby as well.
United States Original Recipe and United States Extra Crispy
Great idea. I'd be gone tomorrow if I could.
Ba Bye
Adios
Ciao
Good fucking luck without most of your economy.
not so much Left Behind as Left Alone.
heh. I was a lot fonder of Tim LaHayw back in the '70s when he was busy telling people when and how to have sex.
and I wasn't very fond of him then.
Now I've read some of the thread. Interesting that lots of people would favour this. Or at least aren't reacting to it negatively.
I get some giddy delight out of knowing that a very nasty old ex-girlfriend who considers herself a cool, gay-friendly liberal would be stuck in Jesusland (Texas). Is Schadenfreude a sin?
Great idea. I'd be gone tomorrow if I could.
Ba Bye
Adios
Ciao
Good fucking luck without most of your economy.
The one bummer about the split is that we'd lose a lot of great natural scenery to people who would destroy it.
Forget about it. Anyone from the United States of Greater Canada would be rich enough and welcome enough to visit elsewhere in the world. Hell, we in New Zealand might well petition for annexation.
It's the Red Staters that make your country so despised all over the world. Feel free to let them keep on calling themselves the real US of A - it'll just tell the rest of us who to spit at.
My response to M Thompson
Sure, go...please
But,
We get to keep Washington DC - you wouldn't want it any way with all those blacks and sooo democratic and soooo many bad memories...
And
We keep the name, United States of America -- eight of the states are of the original Thirteen Colonies, and
Amerigo Vespucci didn't even know you existed (and he got it wrong anyway).
Here in Maine we have had some very good offers from Maritime Canada which has a much friendlier time zone.
It really is unpleasant here, having to wait for you all out there to wake up!
Chris, Maine
The only thing that would make me happier is if The Rapture happened tomorrow and took all the "saved" so the rest of us could get along in relative peace -- not so much Left Behind as Left Alone.
Man, won't the Rapturists be pissed when they get to where they want to go, only to find out they have to share it with all those black-eyed virgin-humping suicide bombers.
Now I've read some of the thread. Interesting that lots of people would favour this. Or at least aren't reacting to it negatively.
Lots of people don't get out much.
If someone addressed this, I apologize - I missed it because the thread is already long - but what do we do about the Bush property in Kennebunkport?
Eminent domain.
Use the Bush compound in Kennebunkport to start an alternative-energy research institute.
And, to compound the biting irony, cover the whole fucking thing with enormous windmills, with solar panels all over them.
We need to cut this cancer from the American Politic. This is about being Americans and not Democrats or Republicans. The right-wingers are not Republicans, they are thugs, Nazi and KKK wanna-be.
And you're a loon.
Odd....NM went Bush (about which I am still in denial), but it in no way fits the BushUSA description. Fails on every count, as a matter of fact. So, to all the rest of you, worry not! You'll still have green chile...
I cannot believe someone would write such an article and be serious.
They correctly argued that the Union had to be inviolable to survive ... either we all hang together, or we shall surely hang separately (OK, that was from the Continental Congress, not the Constitutional Convention, but the underlying rationale hasn’t changed).
I don't think there's much chance of the English invading either the Red States or the Blue States, NYer. It took all their energy to kick the Argintines out of the Falklands.
I can't believe I came to this post so late. As a proud Mainer, I"ve been advocation seccession for years. We have lots of space here in Maine, Red State refugees welcome.
Speaking of wingnuts, check out this fucking guy:
http://www.humanracewatch.com
He is openly threatening Michael Moore in his blog. This scumbag wingnut asshole says that, now that the right wing owns the country, they should go after Moore.
I think we need to alert Mr. Moore about this asshole. These people on the right scare the shit outta me.
as I said last night: there are only three blue states.
theodoric.
Woo Hoo! The entire mississippi Delta went blue! Who'd a thunk it?
vigorously heterosexual
Is that anything like "furiously masturbating"?
ROTFLMAO It's so easy to poke fun at them. And even more funny that they don't get it.
A similar article from the left:
From boingboing.net
MY MODEST PROPOSAL: THE U.S.A.R.
By C. B. Shapiro
I feel bad for the Red States.
Yes, they won the White House, Congress, the Supreme Court and most of the state houses. But they still can't have the country they really want because the last few Blue States won't roll over. So I am making a simple proposal:
Secession. Divorce. Splitsville.
Personally, I think we made a huge mistake not letting them go when we had the chance back in 1862. Well, no time like the present to correct an old mistake.
Then, they would finally be free to have the kind of society they've always wanted; church and state can be fused so they build the kind of theocracy they've dreamt of, with Jesus at the helm. Then the new USAR (United States of America Red) can ban books, repeal civil rights, persecute gays and have all the wars they like. They want prayer in schools? More power to them. They can ban abortion and post the Ten Commandments in every federal building in their country. Bring back slavery, if they want. We'll be free to live with our like-minded countrymen who believe in science, modernism, tolerance, religion as a personal choice, and truly want limited government intrusion in our personal lives. Why should each side be driven mad by the other any more, decade after decade?
Call the Culture War a tie and everyone go home.
Of course, we in the U.S.A.B. get the Gross Domestic Product, businesses and universities of California, New York, Massachussetts -- basically the whole Northeast and Northwest (plus Illinois and Michigan if they want to come along). They get Wal-Mart and Duke and most of the Nascar tracks. But they can feel free to import movies, TV shows, financial services, and defense technology. We'll import country music, bibles and Confederate flags.
The two countries will by necessity have open immigration policy: anyone who feels they are living in the wrong country can just move across the border, no questions asked.
Ultimately, why should I have to convince my fellow countrymen that Darwin may have had a point and that the word “liberal” is not equivalent to “godless communist?” And why should they be forced to live in a country with morally corrupt non-believers? I'll stay in the messy, free-thinking U.S.A.B. And to the U.S.A.R. I say…
God bless you all, and see you at the U.N
St. Marks square spends half the time under water and has for centuries. Not really a good example. Didn't you notice the water marks on the walls and columns? Two feet is LOW.
Man, I never thought I'd live to see the day I'd be applauding "red-baiting."
Ed
Its like your mooch brother-in-law threatening to kick himself out of the house.
"Before you know it, our Urban Centers would look like Fallujah, and Allawi would be elected the blue states leader by landslide vote conducted thru Diebold."
--But where would the red staters get the money to fund their acts of military aggression without the blues states giving it to them?
We take Walker Point (Kennebunkport), take down the compound (it really is an ugly cottage), leave the land as open space but the goddamned waterbeater they 'fish' off of has to go...Lake Havasu maybe?
having been born in a red state, but lived most of my life up until now in a blue state--could i be president or prime minister of "amerida", or whatever it's called?
or are you going to institute the alexander hamilton exception?
"If the blue states were ejected from the Union wouldn't the resulting blue nation have a greater population and GNP than the red nation? Then the blue nation could start a war of reunification!
In the name of Allah almight, why would they want to?"
Because the blue nation would never be safe from red agression. Best to nip it in the bud.
If you look at the map, we could actually join with Canada pretty easily, perhaps a confederation of new Canada provinces. Not a bad idea actually, I grew up north of Seattle and have always loved Canada, plus the Canadians are loosening their Marijuana laws.
krsaz | Email | Homepage | 11.09.04 - 2:32 pm | #
Look... I can understand supporting the expulsion / secession idea, I'm not condoning it but... don't make a bad problem worse by joining Canada. Don't get me wrong, nice country, nice people, but they have their own problems as do we. If there is a division we should keep *OUR* country to *OUR*selves. Make our own laws, decide our own foreign policy, etc. Joining some other group like Canada just pits us against the wishes of a group that is not us. I'm sure they don't want to inherit our conflicts either. The only thing they might want to inherit is our tax dollars.
I, for one, will not stand idly by while the Democrats, under the auspices of the international communist conspiracy and the Gay Agenda, work to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!
Yours, in Purity of Essence,
That crazy colonel from Dr Strangelove
The international structure will correct this Bushite phenomena.
Joining some other group like Canada just pits us against the wishes of a group that is not us.
If you think the Republicans are bad, wait till you meet the Socreds.
Let's just do it.
Divide the country in half, put decent liberals on one side, and silly repugs on the other.
Here's what would happen. The liberals would build a great society where everyone is free, has health insurance, worships freely. Our children would be well educated, taught EVOLUTION. We would have lower teen births, lower poverty, lower illiteracy and our economy would be thriving.
After several years, the silly dopes on the other side wou
Let's just do it.
Divide the country in half, put decent liberals on one side, and silly repugs on the other.
Here's what would happen. The liberals would build a great society where everyone is free, has health insurance, worships freely. Our children would be well educated, taught EVOLUTION. We would have lower teen births, lower poverty, lower illiteracy and our economy would be thriving.
After several years, the silly dopes on the other side wou
Bush doesn't seem to understand that this war crap is seriously destabilizing. Nothing more dangerous than pissed off pacifists and quakers.
Let's just do it.
Divide the country in half, put decent liberals on one side, and silly repugs on the other.
Here's what would happen. The liberals would build a great society where everyone is free, has health insurance, worships freely. Our children would be well educated, taught EVOLUTION. We would have lower teen births, lower poverty, lower illiteracy and our economy would be thriving.
After several years, the silly dopes on the other side would implode. They would have no freedoms, everyone would be stupid from being taught creationsim and their poor people would be starving as would their old people. Sickness would be rampant since Big Pharma would hold all the power and still charge an arm and a leg for medication while our side was importing from Canada. While we drove alternative energy cars, they would be starting more wars for oil they still rely on. There side would be highly polluted from the oil and coal companies that run the show.
And then it woul
Let's just do it.
Divide the country in half, put decent liberals on one side, and silly repugs on the other.
Here's what would happen. The liberals would build a great society where everyone is free, has health insurance, worships freely. Our children would be well educated, taught EVOLUTION. We would have lower teen births, lower poverty, lower illiteracy and our economy would be thriving.
After several years, the silly dopes on the other side would implode. They would have no freedoms, everyone would be stupid from being taught creationsim and their poor people would be starving as would their old people. Sickness would be rampant since Big Pharma would hold all the power and still charge an arm and a leg for medication while our side was importing from Canada. While we drove alternative energy cars, they would be starting more wars for oil they still rely on. There side would be highly polluted from the oil and coal companies that run the show.
And then it would start,"Can we please come over to your side. It's so much better than our side." They would beg and plead.
And what would be our answer? "Silly Repugs. Go Cheney Yourself!!!!
Even more funny about Mr. Foam-at-the-Mouth is his weird ideas that the red states can be economically self-sufficient. I don't have the exact quote but a traveler once said that the difference between north and south is that the north is industry and hard work and the south is laziness and sloth. The red states are the former south and west. The south completely dependent on slave labor and later tenant farming and the west dependent on migrant workers. The few white farmers were barely able to make it and many lost their farms in the various financial panics of the 19th century. This loon's idea that redstaters are going to be living this Currier and Ives life style of happy white farmers with white picket fences and red barns is so out there that it is beyond the orbit of Pluto. The real rural areas are full of abandoned farms, rusty trailers, bobbed wire fences, meth labs, white people using food stamps, rural youth shooting mailboxes and taking drugs, and not a white picket fence in sight.
Sorry for the mutliple posts, but not my fault, it kept saying that the page was unavailable and IT SO LIED!!!
Everyone is ignoring the biggest unintended consequence: Jeebusland would, all to quickly, become a failed state, and thus a home to fundimentalist-religious terrorists (albeit pasty vs. swarthy ones)!
I think we should plant the seeds of their destruction in their teeny brains. "Repeal The Civil Rights Act of 1964."
"Repeal The Voting Rights Act of 1964."
I mean, it isn't like they don't want to do it, and Bush has the "capital" now. Write your conservative Congress Critters and let them know what you want.
BACK TO THE FUTURE!!!!
Plus, it speaks volumes about the intellectualism of one's audience when one must start one's essay not only by saying "I'M BEING SWIFTIAN! HAW HAW HAW!" but also explain what "Swiftian" means...
and thus a home to fundimentalist-religious terrorists (albeit pasty vs. swarthy ones)!
350 lb terrorists named Tiny!!!
vigorously heterosexual....don't you have to kill a small animal with your bare hands to prove that?
Here in Maine we have had some very good offers from Maritime Canada which has a much friendlier time zone.
It really is unpleasant here, having to wait for you all out there to wake up!
Chris, Maine
Atlantic Time Bitches!
my girlfriend has been a big advocate of atlantic time for years. And the maritimes are cool too. Donairs anyone?
I agree: No Canada. They don't want us. They have their own culture. We have ours. We don't have to be bigger than anyone else.
Red America would not join the U.N.
And who says Canada would even want us?
that was mee calling for Atlantic Time.
Just to set the record straight.
I'm willing to trade my house in Florida for a house in, say, Massachusetts, currently owned by a member of the pro-slavery party. Divestment of the retarded states sounds like a great deal, provided we get to keep 48% of the nuclear arsenal.
Canada would be swamped and lose their identity.
I suggest a division based on Nine Nations of North America
Beyond fanticizing about splitting the Blue from the Red states (and does anyone else find it ironic that the GOPers adopted RED as their code color?) if you really want to damage the Red economies, just accelerate BRAC.
The economy of Alabama, at least, will go directly to hell if Redstone Arsenal or Ft. Rucker close.
Erica,
You said it all!!!
They correctly argued that the Union had to be inviolable to survive ... either we all hang together, or we shall surely hang separately (OK, that was from the Continental Congress, not the Constitutional Convention, but the underlying rationale hasn’t changed).
I don't think there's much chance of the English invading either the Red States or the Blue States, NYer. It took all their energy to kick the Argintines out of the Falklands.
Well, dammit, I'm in a Red State, (Tex-ass), but I want to be in the kicked-out Blue State Land! I sure as hell don't want to hang out with this dude and his like-minded fuckheads.
Another Swiftian modest proposal: kill and eat Republicans. There might be trigliceride issues tho.
Best model for what the red states will turn into is the former Soviet Union. The women will try to become mail-order brides and the men with any skills will immigrate to greener pastures. The rest will be bartering their few belongings and hoping that the redneck mafia doesn't try to "protect" them. The fundis will have events that incorporate auto-de-fas and NASCAR. Eventually they will fight among themselves to decide who is the Jesusiest and destroy what is left of the starving population.
what is up with those ads on Human Events online? Some well-muscled fellows without shirts in a variety of athletic poses.....oh, "fitness programs." Right....I get it.
Mmmmmmm....Jeebusland.....
I am assuming the article in question is a demonstration of the highly developed American sense of irony?
(from a British reader)
Please, please, please.
Though we should probably demand that Oregon and Washington come with us.
Can you imagine being rid of Oklahoma, Alabama, Missippis et al? Bring it on!
The Blue State Republic:
NorEast:
New England, New York, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, and D.C.
MidWest:
Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota
Far West:
Oregon, Washington, Hawaii and California.
I always read everything AN writes.
Talking about yourself? Sad.
I've been advocating the expulsion of Texas for some time now. They already have a name, a flag, they could join OPEC, and appoint the Bush family as Emirs.
Thompson still uses the long discredited murder statistics for Bush vs Gore states. I wonder if he is aware of the "Internets"? They're very useful in checking your facts.
In addition to the made-up murder statistics, this writer neglected to mention that they would also have to do without the current capital city. Maybe Crawford could become the new capital and they could call it the "District of Bush."
From here, 1954 looks good. Remember Eisenhower, Republican and sane?
This is a waste of time, folks.
It's fine to point out the idiocy (and alarming rhetoric) from this piece. Let's not forget similar secession proposals have spouted on this site from our own lips.
Are all of you really willing to give up that easily?
Men fought and died to keep this Union together. In a very different way, we have to defeat the ideas of our enemies, no longer how matter long it takes and how high the barriers. I want children in the South to grow up with a commitment to reason, a decent education, better health care. Don't we all? Do we give up because it's difficult? If you really want to change things, move to a red state and make it bluer.
Shame on us for feeding into this rhetoric. We have to fight the enemy where he lives, not just retreat into our (admittedly cool) blue citadels. That's a cowardly vision, even if I realize this is primarily venting, and I will be criticized for taking myself too seriously.
My Fear is that Bush is going to get too much swagger, especially in regard to nukes. The international community will say, the hell with it, we are tired of these American assholes and instead, Nuke us into submission.
You know Germany had to be destroyed before it was cured of Hitler.
Thats why the succession talk. Blue staters don't want to wear the target on our chest. The Red Staters will have to have their country and land ruined befor they give up their hatred and fascist ways.
Its a bad omen: A country that burns books, A country that destroys two thousand year old statues of buddha, and now a country that replaces science with creationism. We are headed for ruin. Best to succeed to get away from these hacks.
Dynamite. If they want us gone, we'll get gone and take our higher living standards, higher health standards, better economies with us.
Of course, we'd have to have a plebescite here in MN to decide which nation to join but I think we could pull off a 'Northern' victory.
Men fought and died to keep this Union together.
Yes, they did. And it seemed like the right thing at the time -- and it probably was. But men fought and died to protect the USSR, the British Empire, and Rome -- and many of them may have been doing the right thing at the time. But eventually, it was the right time for those empires to split up, too.
Do I think its the right time for the US to break up? I don't know. But I do know that the issue is not something that it should be taboo to discuss merely because men have died opposing it before.
For that matter, men died for the cause of breaking the Union apart, before, too.
I want children in the South to grow up with a commitment to reason, a decent education, better health care.
So do I. And it may be that the best way to get to that point is for the Blue States of America to strike out on their own and do it better, and then for Red States of America to realize their error and catch up, rather than for us to continue subsidizing the backward policies they keep imposing on the nation.
As a Canadian, I'd like to welcome all blue-staters to try and join with us in a new country. We'd be able to create the greatest nation in the world while your hillbilly friends in the conservative heartlands rot.
The thing that would be funny if it wasn't so depressing is just how wrong the author is about every single fact. They think "Bush USA" would be smaller government, when the government is bigger and more centrally powerful under Bush. They think the Blue States would need to seek foreign aid, when, if we pulled out Blue State tax dollars, many of the Red States would collapse and die.
And when did the states that tried to break the union, that fly a symbol of slavery and anti-American sentiment, earn the right to be called "real" Americans? And when did slavery become a "wedge issue" and not one about the fundamental rights ensconced in the Constitution of the United States?
to the deluded, defensive indianan posting repeatedly: ok, maybe given my skin color, i'm a little biased about this, but i really think we should stop screwing around and call a spade a spade. frankly, in my vocabulary, republican = racist, and it doesn't take a huge conceptual leap to come to that conclusion. screw trying to "break through" to these people. how can you possibly convert intolerant people into being tolerant? tolerating blacks and asians shouldn't even be a question. it's nothing to boast about. you're supposed to be tolerant. anyway, i thought this was an interesting map: http://www.selekta.com/map.jpg
if these guys don't wanna believe in the constitution--particularly the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, then they shouldn't be calling themselves american.
Living in Illinois, I think this is a great idea. By separating from the "Bush" states my fears of a terrorist attack go down dramatically! All us "Kerry/Gore" staters would be safer than ever!
Don't ferget: along with "sir" and 'ma'am" there was 'hey Nigger".
...and higher devorce and teen pregnancy then the Blue states too.
I like the idea of a seperate country... the red states would be the low wage low benifit 3rd world country in our back yard that we could outsource all the menial work to.
I always thought Maine should secede, join with Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Newfoundland and call ourselves Acadia, anybody else in New England want to come along?
re: outsourcing to the red states. the sad thing is that red state migrant workers to the blue states would probably demand higher wages and be lazier than other immigrants.
OT: CNN reporting Arafat suffering from a brain hemorrhage.
The economy of Alabama, at least, will go directly to hell if Redstone Arsenal or Ft. Rucker close.
Mississippi, too. Keesler Air Force Base, Columbus Air Force Base, Stennis Space Center, Pascagoula Navy base, Meridian Naval Air Station, Jackson Naval Air Station, Camp Shelby, Gulfport Seabee base, and a couple of Coast Guard stations.
Well, I'm for it, at least in principle, except I live in a red state and am too old to try to get another job somewhere else. If I were young' I'd go for it. I'd like to see the red states try to have a healthy economy without the blue states. Damn idiots!
My dad fought to keep this country free and it isn't free anymore, so I have no qualms about breaking off the part that could be free and letting freedom-loving people flock there. Let the red-loving, freedom-hating, wild-eyed, single-issue idiots have their precious, flat, south and Midwest. Us old-fart bluers will just have to start communes or something to keep ourselves employed and fed.
Seriously, how would we get this secession ball rolling? Write to one of our Senators or Congresscritters?
I'm a citizen of Proudly Blue Washington. I know Jim McDermott would listen. Maybe even introduce a resolution - if only to twist a few tails.
And, uh, could the blue states have a free press? That would be really fine.
We'll see how far the red staters get when they realize they have one resource which you can't really make up -- fresh water. Most of those states on the map are sucking their aquifers drier than a drunk draining his wine bottle on a Saturday night. All of them have done an abyssmal job of planning on what they're going to do when the water runs out. I say the blue staters should put up a wall barrier to keep the red state cretins from creeping in. Red staters religion wants to make them "dry" and the good Lord will make their states dry too.
I know the guy is strong on keeping the pledge of allegiance untouched as well. You know, the one that goes: " I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Seriously, how would we get this secession ball rolling? Write to one of our Senators or Congresscritters?
Various States have laws allowing for citizen-initiated referenda - California springs to mind, but I'm sure there are others.
Work to put one on the next ballot along the lines of "Would you want California (or whereever) to secede from the United States of America and form a new independent nation, in conjunction with other secessionist states as necessary?"
May not get anywhere, but think of all the kerfuffle raised by it...
I wrote a proposed letter to Congress about secession. It's in the Diaries, free to all.
I'm thinking of sending it to McDermott. I don't know who else in the Washington delegation has the cojones - and the sense of humor - necessary to actually introduce the thing.
Oops: I mean, my letter is in a Diary over at Kos.
While discussing it might be fun or even cathartic, secession isn't going to happen. If Bushco let states leave it would cause a mass exodus. His response would make V. Putin look like Ghandi.
THE LITTLE MANIFESTO
or:
THE EARTH CRACKED FROM NORTH TO SOUTH
AND EAST TO WEST
I'm for it. Let them go their way, and us ours.
We can trade together. I'm sure we can still manage that. Otherwise...
Let us allow our women to manage their own bodies.
Let us teach our children well.
Let us keep our citizens healthy.
Let us establish fair and progressive taxation.
Let us each worship our own way, or not, also in our own way.
Let us establish elections with paper trails.
Let us protect the environment of the twelve (or fourteen, or more) states that care.
Let us develop alternative energy sources. In fifteen years, they can buy them.
Let them establish god's realm on earth.
Let them establish even more regressive taxation. Eventually, the lower classes will tire of it.
If they sicken, let them each pay their own doctors according to their ability. Eventually the families of the dead and dying will tire of the burden.
If their women need services outlawed in their states, let them travel to the new Europe: the old U.S.A. in the north of the west and the east.
Let them establish a nonvoting oligarchy. Only tyranny and unrest will come of it.
Let them all embrace the same faith or perish by the sword or slip away north in the night by the light of the star flying high above the Canadian pole.
Let them purchase Middle Eastern oil for so long as they can afford to buy it with the diminishing value of their increasingly impoverished goods.
Let them war where oil can be found; it will not be within our territory.
Let them reap the wind of their determined ignorance.
Let them answer to the family of nations.
When they are ready to listen, we will be ready to talk.
That article is hilarious. I’m all for it. Good luck to those Red States in being a world leader after they’ve booted out most of the wealth producing population. I guess the United States military will have to come with us, though, because being devout Republicans, they’ll probably abolish paying taxes altogether and just turn into a nice little Right-wing, objectivist utopia that will soon revert to a third world country without our subsidies. What an idiot. He decries cultural and religious diversity as a bad thing, completely ignoring the very foundation that turned this country into one of the most prosperous in the world in the first place. What about "Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” Oh well, I guess the statue of liberty stays with us as well. And don’t forgot, there’s probably a lot of female, minority, and non-Christian voters who went for Bush who would actually want no part of this insanity either so they can come with us as well. Enjoy your all-male, all-white, all-Christian Jesusland. People dumb enough to buy into this shouldn’t be reproducing anyway so give it a couple of generations and they’ll all be gone. Thank God.
I'd say fuck em if I wasn't living in a red state (TX) and if I wasn't from another (FL) but seriously, without the ports, the factories and the economic/technology centers, what would BushUSA be like? FL is still the gateway to Latin America, and Atlanta is still a Hub for air traffic, but with nothing to trade other than oil (which we don't trade now) and agricultural goods, what kind of country would it be? We already import so much of our fruit and veggies from other countries anyway, if the Blue states cut and ran (taking DC with them of course) then where's the loss? I say go for it.
Hmmm, does that mean that we would finally get white folks feet off our necks? That we could end ghettoes, bad schools, descrimination of all kinds at the hands of whites? That peace and harmony would reign without those other hatefilled people? Could we have Bill as president for life? I never cared what he did with the Clinis, but he could have chosen a little more wisely. Why shouldn't John Kerry run again? I would give him my vote again any day. I voted for his intelligence and the ways in which I thought he would run this country, more in line with how I think, more reality based. Yes, secession pleases me, at least the thought of it.
Peace
Jazzy
States wanted. Apply here.
No good states refused.
www.kanuckistan.com
The description of the desired qualities of the inhabitants of Bush USA left out "goose-stepping, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging, incesting, slack-jawed, drunk and/or cocaine-buzzed, monster-truck gaping, fake wresting fans who think their sisters should be their comfort women until they can get a date with Ann Coulter, who they consider a 'babe' but is actually a female-impersonator of some repute."
Actually, I prefer "You bet!" to "Yes sir!" Do I still qualify, or will I need to apply for a visa?
Where are the nukes, the Land/Sea/Air bases and ports of this country? If these lunatics get their way, is it possible to lose to them, militarily, in a civil war? Also, can we then let them have their supreme court, emperor and congress? They'll have to give up the buildings and build new ones, and we can go back to having a real government and less opposition to the document that makes our country great. We can keep that too. They don't really need a Constitution, they can rewrite that if they like.
John Titor predicted a civil war in 2004-2005. Are we getting closer to having 5 presidents after the nukes fly in 2012?
Where are the nukes, the Land/Sea/Air bases and ports of this country? If these lunatics get their way, is it possible to lose to them, militarily, in a civil war? Also, can we then let them have their supreme court, emperor and congress? They'll have to give up the buildings and build new ones, and we can go back to having a real government and less opposition to the document that makes our country great. We can keep that too. They don't really need a Constitution, they can rewrite that if they like.
John Titor predicted a civil war in 2004-2005. Are we getting closer to having 5 presidents after the nukes fly in 2012?
I've been advocating the expulsion of Texas for some time now. They already have a name, a flag, they could join OPEC, and appoint the Bush family as Emirs.
Thompson still uses the long discredited murder statistics for Bush vs Gore states. I wonder if he is aware of the "Internets"? They're very useful in checking your facts.
Maine is a 'taker' state, I'll admit it, but we have lots of fresh water, the biggest tides in the US for generating electricity, And a great sense of humor. IF motivated, we could pull our own weight.
And think of all the money saved by not having to support a huge unneccessary military.
We'll all be rich, or at least much more comfortable financially when, as in the words of bush, "we're allowed to keep more of OUR OWN money" rather than give it to the slacker red states. This election is a fine example of "taxation without representation." So, how come all those red states on the doll get to choose who decides how much of our (blue state) hard earned money to give to the slackers? It's way past time for this issue (blue state money supports red state slackers) to be talked about in the SCLM. That won't happen, though. The blue state people have no media, only 'red' media that happens to have their offices located in a blue state or city. It's time to get tough and have those running for office in a blue state have at the center of their campaigns a platform that promises to GET OUT MONEY BACK and use it for OUR NEEDS.
All this fuss over "Under God" when the real battle is being waged over the words that immediately surround it:
"One nation ... indivisible".
PA is not, I repeat, not a blue state. I'd be happy to throw the rest of PA under the bus if we get to go with New York and New Jersey.
As a California liberal- please, sign me up! CA could do much better if it didn't have to drag several red states along with it.
You do know this guy was being sarcastic ,no? He grew up as a conservative. He doesn't really mean this.
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