I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

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Gravatarhttp://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATIO...t.ap/ index.html

Awesome.


Gravatarnot pherst.


GravatarTrying to separate the two is like trying to separate oil from a glass of water, it's impossible to do.

No, it's not. Don't put the oil IN the water to start with.


GravatarThough it's cold and loney in the deep dark night, I can see paradise by the dashboard light

Book of Saint Eddie Chapter 5, Verse 15.


GravatarAs the Bible says, Thou shalt not horn in on thy husband's racket.


GravatarI want you, I need you, but there ain't no way I'm ever gonna love you now don't be sad, 'cause two out of three ain't bad.

Book of Saint Eddie, Chapter 3, Verse 12.


Gravataryikes... did you check out the photo of that wingnut?


p.s. Rush Limbaugh in not only a drug-addled whore, he is a thief! Pass it on.


GravatarHey, Jude, don't make it bad. Take a sad song, and make it better.

Remember to let her into your heart.

Then you can start to make it better.

Better?

Better.

Better?

Better.

Better!

Yeah!


GravatarMy favorite part of the Bible is where it says: "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose"


Gravatarawesome
http:// www.angrydrunkdemocrats.b...ts.blogspot.com


GravatarMost of what Europeans and their cultural descendants think is "in the Bible" is actually from Shakespeare. Or Milton. Or somebody else.

But not in the Bible.

I've never checked to see if that's part of E.D. Hirsch's "Cultural Literacy" or not. Maybe because I don't care for Hirsch or his concept of "cultural literacy."

See. A liberal education sometimes is worthwhile. Just don't try to make a living on it.....


GravatarRemember, blessed are the cheesemakers.


GravatarI also like the part where Jesus says, "Really like your peaches want to shake your tree."


Gravatardosn't the Bible say something like -"Thou shalt not be an ignorant, murdering, lying, greedy, warmongering, cowardly, asshole"

it should.


GravatarAlways look on the bright side of life.


GravatarThe joke is King; all hail the Joke.


Gravatar"blessed are the cheesemakers'

- second letter of Paul to the Wisconsinites


GravatarYou are right.

STUPID wingnuts!!

And one wonders why these people vote for Bush?

Look no further.

FYI, that "to thine own self be true" comment is part of Polonius' advice to his departing son Laertes in the play "Hamlet."

But seriously, for all their claim to be "Bible-believing" Christians, the worst thing about these fundamentalists is that very few of them have actully read the book, much less understood what was in it.

But what else do you get when you get a bunch of parochial, uneducated, red-state rubes swallowing everything the society immediately around them tells them is true?


GravatarBest bit is the book-on-tape version of the King James Bible, read by Samuel L. Jackson.

"Forgive these motherfuckers, father, for they know not what they do."


GravatarOT:
(my letter to andrew sullivan regarding his ethusiastic support of 20/20's "debunking" of the Matthew Shepard "myth.")

Dear Mr. Sullivan,

I am not a regular reader of your writings, although I do periodically check in to read your views. I am writing in response to your post regarding Matthew Shepard. In my estimation the “debunking” of myths is a precarious proposition but an intellectually honest one. I support your call to find the truth regarding this incident. However you end the post with this revealing sentence, “I have a feeling it will reveal how dangerous it is to rest an entire political argument on one incident, whose details were always murky and subsequently turned into myth.” I couldn’t agree more. Therefore, I anxiously await 20/20’s debunking of the narrative of the crucifixion of Christ with an accompanying critical analysis of the history of Christianity. Now that “faith-based” has become a political argument, shouldn’t it be subjected to the same media scrutiny that we subject the “myth” of Matthew Shepard’s death to?

One final thought, in your criticism of the “Passion of the Christ” (no doubt a mythical hagiography) you wrote, “The film could have shown suffering and cruelty much differently. It could have led us into the profound psychological pain that Jesus and his mother and disciples must have endured by giving us some human context to empathize with them.” Conceivably, couldn’t the same be said about the “myth” of Matthew Shepard.


Gravatar"Trying to separate the two is like trying to separate oil from a glass of water, it's impossible to do."

if I remember right from my organic chem lab, it's a really fuckin easy thing to do.


Gravatarstupid wingnuts

Isn't that redundant?


GravatarBoy is that "renewamerica" site scary. Where do they come up with someone to write this:

http://www.renewamerica.us/colum...s/valois/ 041111

Wonder if she thinks kerry won too?


GravatarAnd, of course the verse in St. John where Our Savior tells the leper, "Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you got to ask yourself one question... Do I feel lucky. Well, do ya punk?"


GravatarMore things often mistaken as having come from the Bible:

Form follows function.

Less is more.

Baby, it's cold outside.

When you believe in things that you don't understand then you suffer,
Superstition ain't the way

Hates California, it's wet and it's damp
that's why the lady is a tramp

Of all the gin joints in all the world, she has to walk into mine

The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!


GravatarThough shalt hit me baby, one more time.


GravatarAsk not at whom the chimp smirks, for he smirks at you.

Book of George, Chapter 0, Verse OO


Gravataror

Blessed are those that say "I got mine", for they will get theirs...


GravatarI like the part of the Bible dealing with this:

Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such.
-- Homer J. Simpson


GravatarTrying to separate the two is like trying to separate oil from a glass of water, it's impossible to do.

What an idiot. Oil and water do not mix. They are the easiest two liquids to separate.

She vomits out whatever jumps into her feeble brain.


Gravatar"Indiana wants me; Lord I can't go back there..." Corinthians 7:14


GravatarPardon me, dear Christians and other gentle souls viewing this site, but where the FUCK do people like this wingnut come from?


GravatarHere's a saying that really is from the B-I-B-L-E:
"Get thee behind me, Satan!"

More evidence that Jesus didn't have that much of a problem with sodomy.

yes, yes. going to hell for that.


GravatarSeriously (sorta), the best book that never made it into the Bible is "The Gospel According to Biff, Jesus' Childhood Pal."



(from Chris Moore's "Lamb.")


GravatarMy favorite part of the bible is the Pet Goat story.


Gravatarcereal breath -- awesome letter!


GravatarWell Fox news can go into a tailspin, the Peterson jury has reached a verdict. It will come down at 1 pacific time.


GravatarNever start a land war in Asia.

-Paul to the Ephesians.


GravatarTo belabor this a little further, it's especially hilarious that she quotes that line in particular, since it's a favorite "Shakespeare quotation" for those who've never read Shakespeare (let alone the Bible). The person who says that line in "Hamlet" is Polonius, the ludicrous and venal "yes man" in the play, whose inept skullduggery gets him killed by mistake while hiding behind the drapes. And he's feeding this fatuous line to his son who's about to go away to France, where Polonius is planning to have him trailed by a spy in order to keep him tabs on him. So for folks to quote this line, either as evidence of Bardic Wisdom for Living Life, or, god forbid, as a Biblical injunction, demonstrates a delicious degree of what we condescending cultural elitists might call "irony"...


GravatarAlso not found in the Bible:

"The more you buy, the more you save."

"Free gift."

"He's as good as any player in the league."

"You want fries with that?"


GravatarAnd of course: "I am your father, Luke," from St Luke.


GravatarI love this passage from Romans:

Comin' straight outta Compton
Crazy motherfucker named Ice Cube.


Gravatarblessed are the cheesemakers

I want to be a woman. I want to be called Kaye.


GravatarRender unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s

Wait, um, maybe that really is in the Bible. My bad.


Gravatar'I turn to stone, when you are gone, I turn to stone...'

-- Lot's Wife


GravatarFor more on stupid wingnuts, visit my brother's new blog:

www.churchmademestupid.blogspot.com

It's good stuff for those of you looking for insight into the holy-roller mind.


Gravatari came across this odd passage:

"Wall Mart - Always the Lowest Prices!"


Gravatar"Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb."

-isn't that from the Bible, too?


GravatarRemember when there was only one set of footprints? That's when I was carrying you.


GravatarAlso:
-Take two aspirin and call me in the morning
-It takes two to tango
-We'll always have paris
-How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
-Is that a bannana in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? (Genesis 69)


GravatarBut this is in the bible:

(Leviticus 16)
16: "And if a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening.
17: And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening.
18: If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the evening.


GravatarAnd let's not forget, "Stay hard all night--cheap Viagra" which I think is in the Book of Acts.


Gravatar"So now I'm praying for the end of time, to hurry up and arrive. Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you, I don't think that I could really survive.

I'll never break my promise or forget my vow, but God only knows what I could do right now, praying for the end of time, it's all that I can do, whoo whoo, praying for the end of time, so I can end my time with you."


GravatarDoes it say Mary Cheney is a lesbian in the bible?


GravatarMartyrdom Of St Victor

"And it came to pass that Saint Victor was taken from this place to another place. Where he was lain to rest himself amongst sheets of muslin and velvet.

"And there stroked was he by maidens of the Orient. "For sixteen days and nights stroked they him, yea verily and caressed him.

"His hair, ruffled they. And their fingers rubbethed they in oil of olives, and ranneth them across all parts of his body for as much as to soothe him.

"And the soles of his feet licked they. And the upper parts of his thigh did they anoint with the balm of forbidden trees.

"And with the teeth of their mouths, nibbled they the pointed bits at the top of his ears. Yea verily, and did their tongues thereof make themselves acquainted with his most secret places.

"For fifteen days and nights did Victor withstand these maidens, until he cried out, saying: "'This...is fantastic! Oh...this is *terrific!!*'

"And the Lord did here the cry of Victor. And verily came He down and slew the maidens. And caused their cottonwool bugs to blow away, and their Kleenex to be laid waste utterly.

"And Victor, in his anguish, cried out that the Lord was a rotten bastard.

"So the Lord sent an angel to comfort Victor for the weekend.

"And entered they together the jaccuzzi."

-- Monty Python


GravatarRemember when there was only one set of footprints? That's when I was carrying you

...or that's when I pushed you into the sea and ran away with the catch of the day. mmmmm Mackeral!


GravatarFrom the Book of Chappelle
Chapter 6, Verse 2

"And yea, thou shall endeavor to head to Mars, bitches."


GravatarYea, verily, thou shall not grievously misquote The Lord Thy GOD whilst thou wear the garb of a He-Woman, for it both be a triple-bonus-point Abomination. Word.


GravatarHave you taken a look at the pics of the various "columnists" on that site?

I swear they all came from "The Onion."


GravatarThe best part of the Bible is this part:

"First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more. No less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then, lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."

-I saw it on TV. Therefore it must be true.


Gravatar"to thine own self be true."

This appears to be another way of phrasing a somewhat less well-known set of words to live by:

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

Of course, those words were penned by the great Aleister Crowley, whose book "Diary of a Drug Fiend" is among my favorites of all time. Sure the guy's a misogynist fuck but damn is that book entertaining. "Moonchild" is good, too.


GravatarKnow Jesus, Know Peace. No Jesus, No Peace.

That's gotta be from the Bible. So wise. So wise.


GravatarKing Arthur: Consult the Book of Armaments.

Brother Maynard: Armaments, chapter two, verses nine through twenty-one.

Cleric: [reading] And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats and large chu...

Brother Maynard: Skip a bit, Brother...

Cleric: And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

Brother Maynard: Amen.

All: Amen.


GravatarAnd yea, verily, I say "mmmmm, doughnuts....."


Gravatar"Wall Mart - Always the Lowest Prices!"

I think in the new translation that comes out as:

"Shop Smart . . . Shop S-Mart."

Book of Bruce, Ch 10, Vrs 4


GravatarDang, celticshel beat me.


GravatarIsn't Shakespeare one of the Apostles?


GravatarGod, that's hilarious.


(No pun intended.)


GravatarThou shalt turn me
right round baby
right round
like a record baby



--Dude Erotomy


GravatarWait - I guess that would be Polonius who is one of the Apostles.
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Shakespeare is really God.


GravatarI especially like the Book of Rod McKuen and the Psalms of Barry Manilow. I didn't even know they were in the bible before I drank the Kool-Aid.


GravatarI liked the bit in the New Testament, in the Book of Revelation when Jesus comes down and says, "Lo, and all shall take heed that my new fighting technique is unstoppable."


GravatarAnd I believe it was Ezekiel who said "Push it...push it REAL good."


GravatarAnd who can forget Proverbs 3.14159: 'The better part of valour is discretion; in the which better part I have saved my life.'


GravatarAnd the car chase in the Book of Job kicks all sorts of ass.


Gravatarthe quote "to thine own self be true" was sang to bob denver by phil silvers, oh, and sang well.


GravatarThe most famous bible quote:

"Bring me a shrubbery"


GravatarJust to be fair to other religions, I especially like the story in the Koran where the teenager is wearing a teenshirt that says, I was martyred on a jihad and all I got were 70 lousy virgins.


GravatarDon't forget Annas.


GravatarI liked the bit in the New Testament, in the Book of Revelation when Jesus comes down and says, "Lo, and all shall take heed that my new fighting technique is unstoppable."

Ooh yeah! And then Satan replies: "Your method is good, but I know Monkey Claw technique!"


GravatarOT:
To San Diego County Democrats

FYI

1. Support Donna Frye!

A lawsuit has been filed to stop the vote count for mayor because, apparently, the thought of open government has hit a raw nerve with those who have no respect for our city, the public or the democratic process.

To help defray Donna Frye’s legal expenses please go to http:// www.donnafryeformayor.com...contribute.html

Join the “Count all the votes” vigil today (Friday) from 4:00 to 6:00 pm at the at the San Diego County Registrar of Voters, 5201 Ruffin Road, Suite I 92123

The updated election results for the San Diego mayoral race can be found at www.donnafryeformayor.com. The latest City of San Diego Mayor verified write-in tally is at http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/voter.../Eng/ mayor.html


GravatarBut this is in the bible:

(Leviticus 16)


I found this in Leviticus 29:12-15:

12:Has thou ever given thy woman a foot massage?
13:Many times
14:Woult thou giveith me a foot massage?
15:Fuckith thou


GravatarMy favorite verse from the Bible is attributed to the prophet Elijah, or was it Elisha? Anyway, I think it went, "no peace without justice and that's for real!"


GravatarPardon me, dear Christians and other gentle souls viewing this site, but where the FUCK do people like this wingnut come from?


Texas! of course.


GravatarAnd every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, unless your name is Monica.


GravatarEverything I needed to know about the Bible I learned watching Godspell. Honest. Go watch.


GravatarHEATHENS!

THINE WORDS ART PROFANE!

YE SHALL BE CAST DOWN DOWN DOWN INTO A BURNING RING OF FIRE!


GravatarFor Friday cat-bloggers:

Bible or not Bible?

"When I play with my cat, who knows whether she is not amusing herself with me more than I with her."


GravatarHere's another good one:

Have you ever seen the inside of a cockpit? Have you ever seen a grown man naked?


Gravatarthe quote "to thine own self be true" was sang to bob denver by phil silvers...

Heathen! It was first sung by Alan Hale! Phil Silvers sang it later!! A true believer would know that!!!

Infidel! Unclean!! Non-believer!!!


GravatarAnd who can forget...

"The devil went down to Georgia, he was looking for a soul to steal, he was in a bind, cause he was way behind and he was willing to make a deal."


GravatarAnd from the Book of Mick:

Ooh, see the fire is sweepin’
Our very street today
Burns like a red coal carpet
Mad bull lost it’s way

War, children, it’s just a shot away
It’s just a shot away
War, children, it’s just a shot away
It’s just a shot away


GravatarOoh yeah! And then Satan replies: "Your method is good, but I know Monkey Claw technique!"

"And Jesus stood thy ground and said, 'Your kung fu sucks thy hard ass, Devil Boy'. Prepairith for the pain."


GravatarMore famous quotes from the Bible:

"Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious Spring by this son of Crawford"

"Hark, what light from yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Laura is the sun."

I'm pretty sure too that the Bible contains this comment on the President's environmental record: "This goodly frame the Earth seems to me a sterile promintory. This most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'er hanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire. Why, it appears nothing to me but a foul and pestilant congregation of vapors."


GravatarI believe "get jiggy wid it" is a paraphrase from the Song of Songs. Or not.


Gravatarthose things with kind of a rapier like work... with an attachement


GravatarHey!
You!

Get off of my cloud!


Book of Republicans: 4:20


Gravatarlooking for a quote from the God of All Gods, Bill Gates?

"Let's drive not just breakthroughs in new products, but new ways to give more and more people access to these inventions and their benefits. This is a broad and important mission, and I believe we all have a part to play in it."


Gravatar
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Ezekiel 25:17 at tol be Jules


GravatarNOW I can finish that sermon I've been working on. Thank you so much everybody!


GravatarEATHENS!

THINE WORDS ART PROFANE!

YE SHALL BE CAST DOWN DOWN DOWN INTO A BURNING RING OF FIRE!


Too late. Being born into a family who barely acknowledges their Judaism, I'm already serving cocktails in Purgatory.


GravatarSorta relevant (maybe)...

My mom (who is a total fundie nutcase, living in east Texas, and totally looks like Aunt Bea, from The Andy Griffith Show... which, I understand was run instead of Saving Private Ryan on many ABC affiliates, lastnight... ours showed Hoosiers, btw) recently forwarded me an e-mail she received from one of her fundie friends. It mentioned something from the Koran, Ch. 9, V. 11 (you can see where this is going... some bullshit about an avenging eagle, blah blah). Well, as it so happens, not only is the verse wrong, but there's no eagle mentioned anywhere in the Koran, so I had to set Mom straight on that. She said I was probably looking at an old copy of the Koran. I shit thee not.
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GravatarAnd it came to pass that the SCROTUS priest, Rhenquist had a throat disease. He could only write, asking "Why? Why Me". And god came down disguised as a whippet and said, "Too many Republican presidents have you sucked their cocks".


GravatarAnd from Queens I:

"Are you gonna let it all hang out
Fat-bottomed girls
you make the rockin' world go 'round"


GravatarMy favorite Bible verse is the one where Jesus says: "Cry havoc and loose the dogs of war."


GravatarTrying to separate the two is like trying to separate oil from a glass of water, it's impossible to do.

Guess she only eats creamy salad dressing.

Blessed are the cheesemakers.

To plagiarize from a comment over at Michael Berube: "Cheeses of Nazareth."


Gravatar"And Jesus stood thy ground and said, 'Your kung fu sucks thy hard ass, Devil Boy'. Prepairith for the pain."

And then Jesus' disciple, Neo, exclaimed "I know KUNG FU!"


GravatarIIRC, you'll find this in Corintians, "put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up."


GravatarFrom the Book of Robin:

"Holy Primate, Bat Man!"


GravatarShe said I was probably looking at an old copy of the Koran.

She probably has the Reader's Digest compendium.


Gravatarpixie@2:36

I believe you mean "Loretta," as in "Why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?"
"I want to have a baby."
SNIP
"Where's the fetus going to gestate? Are you going to keep it in a box?"


Gravatar-Is that a bannana in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? (Genesis 69)

Actually, that is a misquote or paraphrase of Plato or Socrates (I forget which, sorry). The original was:

"Is that a scroll in your toga, or are you just happy to see me?"

No shit. There is nothing new under the sun.


GravatarThen there's that dee-vine "Devil With a Blue Dress," aka Monica You-Know-Who.


GravatarThat balcony scene with Mary Magdalene is bitchin' too.


GravatarJeffraham Prestonian,

jesus h. christ, I am sorry for you family situation.


GravatarOh! That was me, pixie. The pedantic one.


Gravatar"Pardon me, boy! Is that the Chattanooga choo-choo? Track twenty-nine? Boy, you can gimme a shine I can afford to board a Chattanooga choo choo; I've got my fare and just a trifle to spare..." -- Song of (Paul) Simon


Gravatar"Senator" Zell Miller?


Gravatar"Cheeses of Nazareth."

He did say, "Blessed are the cheesemakers...."


GravatarStupid Wingnuts = Unnecessary Redundancy?


GravatarDoes this passage remind you of anyone in particular?

"These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren." - Proverbs 6:16-19


Gravataryou fucking blasphemic heathons are all going to hell-
please save me some cake


GravatarA bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts. (Song of Solomon, 1:13)

And on the gay issue, also from SoS: Behold his bed, which is Solomon's; threescore valiant men are about it, of the valiant of Israel.


Gravatar"This thread is almost as funny at the turtle thread"

Jeebus, the Book of Eschatosians 3:12


GravatarThey got everything they wanted. Born-again President, check. Majority rule in the House and Senate, check. Anti-abortion judges on the Supreme court, coming soon to a Planned Parenthood clinic near you. But it's not enough.

The Religious Right has succeded in the dumbing down of America. Mission accomplished. They said that they just wanted us heathens to respect their views. Bullshit. They want their views codified into law, they want everyone to submit to them, because only then will they be happy. Only our total capitulation and acceptance of their divine righteousness will be enough for them. They want theocracy, and they're not bashful about it.

So I'm supposed to respect that? I'm supposed to respect people who consider me a "cancer"? Who think I have no moral values because I don't believe in the existence of a Supreme Being? Or rather, in their version of a Supreme Being? Who think I shouldn't be allowed to do anything that doesn't fit into their narrow interpretation of religious texts that were first passed on orally for generations, then written down, edited, re-written, edited again, translated, and re-translated again and again?

Fuck that. This is my America too. I am willing to tolerate any and all magical wish-fulfillment fantasies of anyone. But I will not bow down to their version of reality and call it good. I am proud to be a liberal. I am proud to say I'm not convinced that any god or gods exist, and that if they do exist, they hold any sway over my day-to-day life or possible afterlife.

Enough is enough. When is someone going to stand up on the floor of the House or Senate and say, "I'm a liberal and I'm proud to call myself one." Liberals have been responsible for, among other things, child labor laws; the eight-hour work day; safety nets like Social Security, Medicaire, and Medicaid; freedom from slavery; the right to vote for women; the equal rights of all people, regardless of color or national origin; etc. etc. etc.

If the 20th century had been the Conservative century, instead of a Liberal one, it's likely that none of those things would have happened. The definition of conservatism is "The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order." If not for liberals, the American Experiment would have been suffocated in its crib. We would have been just another failed state, which refused to change as the world around us changed.

That is what these people want. A return to a time when the annointed few made the rules, and everybody had to follow. There's a reason why they were called the Dark Ages. Religion was allowed to triumph over reason, superstitution over science. That is the Right Wing Agenda. That is why they will never be satisfied, no matter h


GravatarAnd in Romans 31:6, Morpheus intoned, "Fate, it would seem, is not without a sense of irony."


GravatarHonore de Balzac did say:

"The majority of husbands remind me of an orangutan trying to play the violin."


GravatarRemember when there was only one set of footprints? That's when I was carrying you

...or that's when I pushed you into the sea and ran away with the catch of the day. mmmmm Mackeral!


nonononononono you got that all wrong its:
Remember when there was only one set of footprints? That's when I was helping one of the other 4 billion people on the fucking planet you selfish prick!!!

ALthough, my favorite passage is when jesus turns and looks at paul to say:

I am Keyser Soze.

Chilling, I tell ya. Absolutely chilling.


GravatarAnd every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water, unless your name is Monica.
Vicki Stein


Vicki, you owe my college one keyboard. Off to class!


GravatarAnd the Lord sayeth:

From the south comes a uniter who shall not uniter, a man of the lord who is not of the lord, a man of wealth and priviledge who shall destroy economies.

For this man shall be false, claiming victory by ignoring defeat, and this man shall worship at the alter of electronic voting machines and for a time he sahll be assendant, for he hath fooled the flock of idiot believers. So he sahll make war and calim he is a righteos man, buth I say unto you, he hath no right, he shall burieth the kingdom of prosperity under his mantle of false righteousness

Fear not this man, for he shall be shown for his true self and all shall be revealed to the people of prosperity, the destruction he brings shall be great, but a new day sahll dawn and the light will shine again on all who vote against despotism in 2008.


GravatarI swear to God, my wife's entire Biblical knowledge comes from Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. She can name all the tribes of Israel by just singing the song.

Where in the Bible are the passages about helping one team win the Super Bowl?


GravatarWell, "shake it like a polaroid picture" has always been another particular favorite. I believe that is from the Gospel of St. Andre.


GravatarYo Gilligan, that's right. I totally forgot that episode. There's definitely a cultural studies dissertation out there waiting to be written about that classic "GI" episode where Phil Silvers guest-stars, playing Harold Hecuba ("What's Hecuba to him, or he to Hecuba / That he should weep for her," HamletII.ii), a castaway producer who stages a musical of "Hamlet" on the island where they sing the "to thine own self be true" speech to the tune of Bizet's "Carmen." And it totally works. Some kind of twisted genius wrote that one...


Gravatar-Is that a bannana in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? (Genesis 69)

The Song of Solomon book-on-tape has this awesome 70s porno soundtrack.

Read by Barry White, too.


Gravatarmso, why that sounds like our Chimperor in Chief!


GravatarI really liked the scene in Revelations where the Pimp Messiah smacked one of his bitches onto the kitchen floor and snorted a huge line of coke off her naked thigh. And then DeNiro walks in on them and they get into this crazy knife fight, with blood and kitchenware flying all over the place.

It was a scene rich with gritty realism and great performances. I think Jesus got an Oscar nomination out of it actually...


GravatarDoesn't the book of Bill (Bennett) have the lines:

"I've got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn
So get those stakes up higher."

J.C. Christian:

I believe the "Really love your peaches" is in the Song of Songs aka the Song of Solomon. If it's not, it ought to be.


GravatarIf I look back on all the crap I learned in high school

It's a wonder I can think at all

-- Also from the song of (Paul) Simon


GravatarWasn't there an addendum to the Bible where Jesus comes back and freaks out because we now have electric nail guns?


GravatarDang, John beat me to the Song of Solomon joke!


GravatarShit. Lost the end of my post. To paraphrase:

..no matter how many idiots are elected President, or how many conservatively-biased judages are appointed. Only the replacement of the Constitution with the Bible as the law of the land will be enough to satisfy their demands.

I will fight these motherfuckers with every ounce of my being. I will not allow them to take over this country as long as I have breath in my lungs.


GravatarFrom the book of Jack Handy:

"A funny thing to do is, if you're out hiking and your friend gets bitten by a poisonous snake, tell him you're going to go for help, then go about ten feet and pretend that *you* got bit by a snake. Then start an argument with him about who's going to go get help. A lot of guys will start crying. That's why it makes you feel good when you tell them it was just a joke."


GravatarThe Book of Slim Shady is pretty powerful stuff, too. I think it is considered one of the apocryphal books.


GravatarWhat about the scene where the false prophet tries to have phone sex and mentions falafal? Those that live by the loofah die by the loofah.


GravatarWasn't there an addendum to the Bible where Jesus comes back and freaks out because we now have electric nail guns?

You are correct, but it's followed by Morpheous teaching Jesus how to dodge nails.


GravatarThe Song of Solomon book-on-tape has this awesome 70s porno soundtrack.

wocka-chooka-wocka-chooka...


GravatarTena -

Things just keep getting better and better - GWB tops 60 million votes! WOW - Karl did a better job than I thought.


GravatarMarlo Lewis is a prophet. And handsome, too. What a motley bunch of dumbshits.


GravatarDude, Where's My Stigmata?


GravatarMaybe she got it from here:

My mother told me good
My mother told me strong.
She said "be true to yourself
And you can't go wrong."
"But there's just one thing
That you must understand."
"You can fool with your brother -
But don't mess with a missionary man."

The Book of Lennox, 6:24


Gravatar"Thou shalt not let moochers into your tent" --- In The Bible, somewhere near the back


GravatarFrom the Prophet Greenspan:

"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."


GravatarAnd the angel of the lord came unto me and snached me up from my place of slumber. and took me on high and higher still untill we moved through the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me unto a vast farmland of our own midwest and as we decended cries of impending doom rose from the soil. A thosand, nay, a million voices full of fear. And terror posessed me then. And I begged, "angel of the lord, what are these tortured screams?" and the angel said unto me, "these are the cries of the carrots." The cries of the carrots, you see rev. maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and for them, it is the holocaust. And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat with the tears of a million terrified brothers and roared, "hear me now I have seen the light they have a consciousness! They have a life! They have a soul- Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an Amen? Amen. Can I get a halleluiah


Gravataryou are wingnut yourself...


GravatarI must say I became a bit doubtful of the good book when I came across this passage:

"Dewey Beats Truman!"


Gravatar"Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me."

- Epistle of St. Farrokh to the Bohemians


GravatarThe cat line is from Montaigne.

Lost bits o' the bible: what about "Drop-kick me Jesus Through the Goalposts of Life?"


GravatarFrom the Gospel of St. Walter Sobchak:

"Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't fuckin' ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as shit don't fucking roll! Shomer shabbos!"



To which Jesus replies:

"Let me tell you something, pendejo. You pull any of your crazy shit with us, you flash a piece out on the lanes, I'll take it away from you, stick it up your ass and pull the fucking trigger 'til it goes "click."
Nobody fucks with the Jesus."


GravatarAn' it harm done, do as ye will.

Oh, wait, that's not in the Bible. But I'm sure this one is:

If you’ll be my bodyguard
I can be your long lost pal
I can call you Betty
And Betty when you call me
You can call me Al.

Book of Paul Simon.


GravatarMoreover, "to thine own self be true" was meant to make your eyes roll.

It was advice given by Polonius, to his teenage son (or nephew?) Laertes. Polonius is a somewhat addled courtier who thinks himself wise but is really just pedantic. In place of wisdom, he has a store of aphorisms which he rattles off.


GravatarAnd let's not forget The Book of Cosby, and the real story of Noah and the Ark.


Gravatar"Oh pardon me thou bleeding piece of earth/that I am weak and gentle with these butchers."

Straight out of Joe Smith's "Book of Treasure hunters and Latter Day Conmen."


GravatarAnd St. Donnie adds, "Then can we go to the In-and-Out Burger?"


Gravatar"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know."

- the Gospel According to the First Donald


GravatarGWB tops 60 million votes! WOW - Karl did a better job than I thought.

The Diebold co. just settled multi-million dollar suit in CA for irregularities in voting machines- maybe Karl will lend a hand with the bill, if you could relax your sphincter and release one...


Gravatar"Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz..."

Sister Janis, Verse 1, Line 1


Gravatar"When I was coming up, it was a dangerous world, and you knew exactly who they were. It was us vs. them, and it was clear who them was. Today, we are not so sure who the they are, but we know they're there"-"President" George W. Bush

"Where's the vat, the vat, the vat? Where's the vat with the Green C on it? The vat with the Green C in. Bring it so the adults can begin."- Cult leader Jim Jones


GravatarSmarty,

That's "Dewey defeats Truman."

You keep on misqotin' scripture and Jebus is gonna send a plauge of Locusts to torment your equine arse.


Gravatar"You're fired."

- the Gospel according to the Second Donald


Gravatarand the book of Stewey:

"I give you gold and nothing, but the fat man makes a funny and everyone wets themselves."

which is somewhat related to the book of cartman, which contains such profound passages as:

"screw you guys, i'm going home."
"kenny, you better stop being so poor, or I'm gonna start hucking rocks at you."


GravatarI've read Lamb's book about Jesus and Biff. Loved it.

I do really like that part of the Old Testament where Moses looks out over the holy land on the other side of Jordan and tells Aaron:

"What a long strange trip it's been."


GravatarThe forgotten Beatitude: "Badges? We don't need no stinkin badges."


GravatarThere is a seminar this semester at Bob Jones University on parsing the line in Song of Solmon, "Look babby, signed David. Let's get it on so it melts in your mouth and not in your hand."


Gravatar"To thine own self be true" is also a motto that my friends in recovery like to reflect on.


Gravatar"I had to be up at that there crossroads last midnight, to sell my soul to the devil."

"Well, ain't it a small world, spiritually speaking. Pete and Delmar just been baptized and saved. I guess I'm the only one that remains unaffiliated."

Is that from the New Testament?


Gravatarno, St Donnie begs the question
"Why are you wearing that stupid rabbit suit?"


Gravatar"To thine own self be true" raises an interesting moral dilemma for people who are gay, in any case.

My favorite Bible quote is "Give me land, lots of land, under starry skies above. Don't fence me in!"

It's somewhere in Habbakuk, if memory serves.


GravatarI will fight these motherfuckers with every ounce of my being. I will not allow them to take over this country as long as I have breath in my lungs.
commie atheist ...11.12.04 - 3:06 pm


You got that shit right brother.

We cannot compromise with an ideology which seeks only the extirpation of any and all opposition. You cannot compromise with monopoly, or with monotheism. "One is the ONLIEST number", to paraphrase the Song of Aimee...


Gravatar
"I had to be up at that there crossroads last midnight, to sell my soul to the devil."

"Well, ain't it a small world, spiritually speaking. Pete and Delmar just been baptized and saved. I guess I'm the only one that remains unaffiliated."

Is that from the New Testament?


For some reason I think it's from Homer...


Gravatar"ooga chaka ooga ooga ooga chaka ooga ooga"

- Epistle of the Blue Swedes


Gravatar"I believe the "Really love your peaches" is in the Song of Songs aka the Song of Solomon. If it's not, it ought to be.
Smitty Werbenmanjensen | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 3:05 pm |"

Actually, that's an error in translation. The line was, "Really love your pomegranates, want to suck their juice."


Gravatarthe bible says that god told adam and eve that if they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would surely die. the serpent said that they would not die. later on adam and eve went ahead and ate the forbidden fruit, and did not die.

god lied to them. the serpent told them the truth.


Gravatarfrom the book of Boomhauer:

Hey, Hank, you know I've been thinking about y'all and your dang'ol bottom and all and what's gonna get it movin' again; I think y'all ought go jogging or swimmin' like water bugs, man, it's gonna be havin' you poopin' just like you used to, man. God knows it's gonna work.


Gravatar"Why I oughta..."

from the Holy Prayer of Stooge


Gravatar"I always jest to people, the Oval Office is the kind of place where people stand outside, they're getting ready to come in and tell me what for, and they walk in and get overwhelmed in the atmosphere, and they say, man, you're looking pretty." "President" Bush


Gravatar"Why are you wearing that stupid rabbit suit?"


To which the bunny replied...

"Why are you wearing that stupid man suit?"


Gravatar"One pill makes you smaller and one pill makes you tall"

From the Grace proverbs.


GravatarI liked the Old Testament book where Walker Texas Ranger killed all the Hittites.


GravatarI'm with you fellas...


GravatarReligion was allowed to triumph over reason, superstitution over science. That is the Right Wing Agenda.

But what if it isn't? What if the right-wing agenda is actually to provoke existing hostilities between secular humanists / religious moderates and fundies by exploiting the prejudices of both sides, and to steal everything that's not nailed down while everyone's busy arguing over who's more "moral"?

Leo Strauss's ideas on the role of religion in governance were prety clear...I wonder why more of us don't consider the possibility that they don't believe this stuff either.


GravatarVicki Stein - Man, I wish you hadn't beaten me to Sister Janis. That was prime.

The whole psalm is one of my favorites;

Oh Lord, won't you buy me a color TV?
Dialing for Dollars is trying to find me...

selah


Gravatar"Righty-tighty, Lefty-Lucy." Proverbs 10:17.


GravatarMore from the Book of George Dubya:

"It [the 9/11 Commission Report] reads like a mystery, a novel. It's well written."

"Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of 'Hop on Pop'."


GravatarRe: Jesus freaked out...

As a sometime carpenter, we pretty much use pneumatic nail guns for framing. We hang stuff with screws.

So likely Jesus would be screwed to the cross today, probabaly by guys wielding battery-powered DeWalt drill/drivers, using those square-headed, 3" decking screws, the yellow ones that dont rust...


GravatarCrap. I meant "Lefty-Loosey."


Gravatar"One pill makes you smaller and one pill makes you tall"

Tena, i think you could say that line 'fell from Grace...'


GravatarPhilalethes - I do think that when it comes to the anti-Christ, Bush, there is a lot of reason to think that neither he nor any of his cabinet believe a damn bit of it.

Some of the followers of the anti-Christ, however, do. And they are poor deluded wretches who have sold their souls to Satan.

Otherwise, that is a very good and valid point. They are nothing if not cynical to the core.


GravatarFor some reason I think it's from Homer...
rlrr





GravatarLefty Lucy...she was a famous whore in San Pedro, as I recall


GravatarJohn -

zvooba zvooba zvooba DING!


Gravatar"What though the odds be great or small
Old Notre Dame will win over all."


GravatarWas it St. Geoege who said,

Sometimes, when I'm really nervous, I stick my hands in my armpits, and I smell them.


Gravatarkonopelli - LOL

Hey, Atrios - thanks for this thread.

It's better than cat blogging!


GravatarLeo Strauss's ideas on the role of religion in governance were prety clear...I wonder why more of us don't consider the possibility that they don't believe this stuff either.
Philalethes


I'm with you, 100%. Awhile back a commenter summed it up: Bushism is a criminal cartel at its top levels; a cult at its lower levels.

Book of George Dubya:
"Secondly, the tactics of our—as you know, we don't have relationships with Iran. I mean, that's—ever since the late '70s, we have no contacts with them, and we've totally sanctioned them. In other words, there's no sanctions—you can't—we're out of sanctions."

Can you say war with Iran, anyone?


GravatarPssssttt....Tena, krsaz, et al. We ignored *it* and it went away, probably to slime itself, but whatever. Yay!

Carry on with devotions!


Gravatar""One is the ONLIEST number", to paraphrase the Song of Aimee...
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 3:19 pm | "

Also from the Song of Aimee (Ode to a Bush):

You fucked it up
You should've quit
'Til circumstances
Had changed a bit - ah

You fucked it up
You jumped the gun
I swore you off but
You climbed back on

And when you said
Of course you know
Could I be blamed
If I'd wished it so
I don't think so


Gravatarwhile I was on SNL, I just can't pass this up:

Chevy Chase: And now with tonight's commentary; Miss Emily Litella.
Emily Litella: Thank you, cheddar. What's all this talk about violins on tv? I think we need more violins and less of that loud rock music. And furthermore...
Chevy Chase: Uh, excuse me; Miss Litella. It's violence on TV, not violins.
Emily Litella: Oh. Never mind.


GravatarIt's better than cat blogging!

Blasphemy!

You'll burn in hell for that one, girly.

Repent!


Gravatargod lied to them. the serpent told them the truth.

and don't forget that they were thrown out of the garden for acquiring the knowledge of good and evil.


GravatarI'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the truly large and holy Book of St. Bob the Dylan.


GravatarOkay, all you Bible scholars, which book is this from?

"Alright, Brain. I don't like you and you don't like me, so let's just do this and I can go back to killing you with beer."


Gravatar"There is no such thing necessarily in a dictatorial regime of iron-clad absolutely solid evidence. The evidence I had was the best possible evidence that he had a weapon."


GravatarAnd, finally:

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, it's a beautiful day for a neighbor, would you be mine? / I'd sure like to live in a house like yours, my friend / Maybe when there's nobody home, I'll break in. I married a woman who said she was rich / 'Spent all her money, walked out on the bitch / Would you be mine? Won't you be my neighbor?


Gravatar
Okay, all you Bible scholars, which book is this from?

"Alright, Brain. I don't like you and you don't like me, so let's just do this and I can go back to killing you with beer."


The Book of Homer


GravatarSoo, that would be the book of homer


GravatarSome of the followers of the anti-Christ, however, do. And they are poor deluded wretches who have sold their souls to Satan.

Of course. But that's my point. He's firing the fundies up, making them think religion is under attack. At the same time, he's firing US up, making us think we're under attack by fundies. There's just enough truth on both sides to get both sides riled, and then it's just a matter of letting people be the reactionary obsessives they are. Next thing you know, the Left's drawing invalid arguments from "The Origin of Species," the Christian Right's waving the "Left Behind" books, both sides are foaming at the mouth and screaming...and meanwhile, Bush and his creatures are dooing whatever the fuck they want.

I don't know thst's the truth, I ca't prove it, but there's just as much evidence for it as for the idea that Bush wants to usher in a Taliban-style theocracy. I really suspect they're laughing all the way to the bank.


GravatarFrom the Book of Oz

Generals gathered in their masses
just like witches at black masses
evil minds that plot destruction
sorcerers of death's construction
in the fields the bodies burning
as the war machine keeps turning
death and hatred to mankind
poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!


GravatarA Reading from the Book of the Prophet Declan MacManus, comparing a future country to Mary Magdalene:

"When England was the whore of the world, and Margaret was her Madam"


GravatarSoo,

Kaiser Wilhelm had a famous saying about beer and women. Can you name it?


Gravatar"Jesus loves me but he can't stand you." I believe From St. Kinky Friedman and the Book of Texas Jewboy Psalms.


GravatarAt least one person ought to quote from the Book of Ani:

"They shoved God down the barrel of a gun and after him they shoved his only son."


GravatarAnd here’s to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know
(Wo wo wo)
God bless you, please Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
-Paul 1:1 - 1:8


Gravatar"Give me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world."


GravatarAnd here’s to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know
(Wo wo wo)
God bless you, please Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey hey hey – hey hey hey)
-Paul 1:1 - 1:8


GravatarAnd who could forget what St. Don Redman said in his letter to the Ephesians?

"How'm I doin'? Hey hey! Twee twee twee twa twa."


GravatarI agree with Philalethes' assessment. Bush & posse are devoid of morality. They've indoctrinated a portion of the population into Bushism, and are watching Bushists and non-Bushists bloodily attack one another. Wonder if George W. stays up at night worrying about Iraqi civilians and coalition soldiers?
"Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of 'Hop on Pop'."-George W.


Gravatar"And the Lord Jehovah said 'I shall smite the Hittites', and He did smite them."

You liberal clowns need to be careful. You are trying to ignore the meaning of this election.


GravatarGive me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world. Kaiser W


Gravatar"and don't forget that they were thrown out of the garden for acquiring the knowledge of good and evil."

Yeah, but when they were driven from the garden by the angel, they were given cool leather outfits to wear (really.) So I've always thought of Adam and Eve as having left on a motorcycle.


Gravatar"Religion was allowed to triumph over reason, superstitution over science. That is the Right Wing Agenda.

But what if it isn't? What if the right-wing agenda is actually to provoke existing hostilities between secular humanists / religious moderates and fundies by exploiting the prejudices of both sides, and to steal everything that's not nailed down while everyone's busy arguing over who's more "moral"?

Leo Strauss's ideas on the role of religion in governance were prety clear...I wonder why more of us don't consider the possibility that they don't believe this stuff either.
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 3:26 pm | "

You're right, only a few really believe. The rest only want to exploit that belief. But the end result will be the same: we have a theocratic form of government to keep dissent down, and the insincere assholes who really run things get their way with everything (re: Handmaid's Tale).


GravatarPhilalethes - I think you are right - they are masters at keeping people distracted. That is something Rove does beautifully.

And they continue to loot and pillage unfettered.


GravatarYou liberal clowns need to be careful. You are trying to ignore the meaning of this election.
God is Mighty


God IS Mighty; Bush is not. When you can tell the difference between the two, you'll sound more coherent.


GravatarSisi-What is this about Adam and Eve getting thrown out of the Olive Garden? It is a family restaurant, but I have never seen anyone bounced.


GravatarWell, you have to love a site that links directly to the Keyes/Obama debates.


GravatarHey, I'm not a Hittite - what the fuck do I have to be worried about?


GravatarMore wingnut antics.

Someone's gonna get hurt (and we'll probably never hear about it; you know, Southern style justice).
.


GravatarAnd then of course there are all those excellent quotable from the Book of Duke.

Like this one:

"Suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car... and a voice was screaming: Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"


GravatarHere's an ACTUAL quote from the book of Romans.

I think it fits the current religious right quite well.

God is supposedly the speaker. It is addressed to religious hypocrites and those who claim to be "God's chosen":

"Because of YOU my name is blasphemed among all the nations."


GravatarJesus put the smack-down on the Pharisees, and I'd be considering that little episode myself if I was you, god.


GravatarIs "I love the smell of napalm in the morning. Smells like.....victory." in the Old or New Testament?


GravatarFrom the Book of Journey:

"The wheel in the sky keeps on turnin'. I don't know where I'll be tomorrow."


Gravatarblah blah blah blah blah blah blah
in tijuana
blah blah blah
back in 1963
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
you shoulda been there
blah blah blah
is what old blevins said to me

blevins 7(s):11(s)


Gravatar"I agree with Philalethes' assessment. Bush & posse are devoid of morality.
(snip)
GN | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 3:41 pm |

Actually, as God's chosen, they decide what is moral and what is not.


GravatarMore biblical passages, from the book of Homer:

"Now son, you don't want to drink beer. That's for Daddies, and kids
with
fake IDs."

"Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen."

"Maybe, just once, someone will call me 'sir' without adding, 'you're
making a scene.'"

"Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important
to
learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel."

"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now
quiet,
they're about to announce the lottery numbers."

"Don't let Krusty's death get you down, boy. People die all the time,
just
like that. Why, you could wake up dead tomorrow. Well, good night."

"Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win
or
lose: it's how drunk you get."

"Lisa, if you don't like your job you don't strike. You just go in
every day
and do it really half-assed. That's the American way."

"Step aside everyone! Sensitive love letters are my specialty. 'Dear
Baby,
Welcome to Dumpsville. Population: you.'"

"To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!"

"I want to share something with you - the three sentences that will get
you
through life. Number one, 'Cover for me.' Number two, 'Oh, good idea,
boss.'
Number three, 'It was like that when I got here.'"


Gravatar"For verily I say unto you that I am the Naz, and I don't like it when you get up all in my brothers in Allah."


Gravatar"Sisi-What is this about Adam and Eve getting thrown out of the Olive Garden? It is a family restaurant, but I have never seen anyone bounced.
bebe rebozo | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 3:44 pm |"

They kept getting refills from the salad bar until there was nothing left for anyone else. They had to go.


GravatarWas in Peter or Simon who said "Jesus is just alright with me."

By the way, who can name all 12 disciples?


GravatarA Letter from St. Bob to the Dylanites:

Oh, what did you see, my blue-eyed son?
Oh, what did you see, my darling young one?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it,
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin',
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin',
I saw a white ladder all covered with water,
I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.


GravatarLook around, ya see so many social hypocrites Like to make rules for others while they do just the opposite.

You can't get to glory by the raising and the lowering of no flag. Put your goodness next to God's and it comes out like a filthy rag. In a city of darkness there's no need of the sun
And there ain't no man righteous, no not one.

Book of Bob


GravatarBy the way, who can name all 12 disciples?
Well I can name some:
Dopey
Snoopy
Lazy
Edgy
...


GravatarGive me a woman who loves beer and I will conquer the world. Kaiser W
bebe rebozo

we have a winner!

(as it turned out for kaiser w, his beer-loving woman liked beer just a wee-bit much, and passed out drunk during the Franco-Prussian War. That is as far as he got to conquering the world.)


GravatarAround here, sermons write themselves (with a little editing for length and to fit your television).

I'll be thinking about this thread all weekend!


Gravatarsoo, as far as i know there is no definitive list of 12 disciples that has been extracted from the names thrown around in the gospels.


GravatarJPS (from waaaay upthread Remember when there was only one set of footprints? That's when I was carrying you.

I thought His statement was "That's when I was repeatedly punting your stupid ass into the air for listening to these self-righteous dumbfucks!" But maybe I recall it incorrectly...


GravatarMeLoseBrain?: thankx, I needed that.


GravatarWell, the 12 included two Simons, but one was renamed Peter. James the brother of Jesus, Andrew, Luke, John the Beloved (how come Jesus had a favorite?)

and

Norman, Moishe, Herman and
Doug.


GravatarBy the way, who can name all 12 disciples?

You gave us two, I'll take a stab (metaphorically speaking) at the rest...

peter
paul
mary
simon
garfunkle
robert
jimmy
john
john paul
emerson
lake
palmer


GravatarYou liberal clowns need to be careful. You are trying to ignore the meaning of this election.
God is Mighty | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 3:42 pm | #


What, ya mean that fundamental ding-a-lings that abuse the Bible for their own repressive ends - and in the process, making themselves look like total goobers because they don't know the damn book - are fuckin' goofy? That's the meanin' I'm gleanin', Leroy.

If there is a God, I can't help but think she has a sense of humor. This lovely woman is proof positive. God probably smokes pot, too. Look at the platypus.


Gravatar"Rotate your tires."

In overtime:
Leviticus - 6
Jackson - 5


Gravatarfrom the epistle to the deadheads:

saint stephen , with a rose
in and out of the garden he goes


GravatarI love that part in the Bible where Jesus comes upon two men who are possessed by devils, and they say, "What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?"

And Jesus says, "See, I don't need to explain...I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the Messiah. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."


GravatarBackslider - you are verily a true prophet of God.


Gravatar
By the way, who can name all 12 disciples?


Thorin, Oin, Gloin, Dwalin, Balin, Bifur, Kili, Fili, Bofur, Dori, Bombur, Nori, and Ori


Oops! that's 13.


Gravatarpixie, you forgot john, paul, george and ringo


GravatarPeter, James the Greater, James the Lesser, Andrew, Philp, Bartholomew (no joke! Bart!), Matthew, Thomas, Simon the Cananean, Thaddaeus, John, and Judas.

Sheesh...


Gravatar"John the Beloved (how come Jesus had a favorite?)"

I'm one of those who think Judas Iscariot was Jesus' favorite. He's the only one Jesus ever referred to as his friend.

My favorite is Thaddeus. I don't know anything about him, but I like the name. If we were in kindergarten, I would call him Fatty-ass.


Gravatar"...and Mae of the West said unto them: Honey, when a woman goes bad, men go right after her."


GravatarBy the way, who can name all 12 disciples?
Atlantic
Park Place
Boardwalk
Baltic
Charles Reading Railroad
B&O Railroad
,,and some others.


GravatarBut among the dead that were left on the hill
Was the boy with the curly hair.
The tall dark man who rode by his side
Lay dead beside him there.
There's no one to write to the blue-eyed girl
The words that her lover had said.
Momma, you know, awaits the news,
And she'll only know he's dead.

Book of Bob


Gravatar12 Disciples: Peter, Paul and Mary, Matthew, Thomas, Luke, John, Judas, George, John, Ringo and Paul.


GravatarSeraphiel - ROFLMAO!!


Gravatarolaf,
You joke, but the very first thing I heard after coming out of the last peyote trip I took was the Dead's "Ripple". Hung me up big-time.

Tena,
Indeed. Even got the mail-order certificate from the UCL. Paid 'em ten bucks so's I could be a prophet.

So you yay-hoos better watch yourselves.


GravatarWhen the kids had killed the man I had to break up the band.

-Proverbs


GravatarHere's my favorite passage from the New Testament, which came to me over and over during the recent Presidential debates:

John the Baptist / After torturing a thief
Looked up at his hero / the Commander-in-Chief
Saying, "Tell me, great hero, / But please make it brief--
Is there a hole for me / to get sick in?"

The Commander-in-Chief answers him / While chasing a fly,
Saying, "Death to all those / who would whimper and cry!"
And dropping a barbell / he points to the sky,
Saying, "The sun's not yellow / it's chicken!"


GravatarGreed is good.

Book of Rapacious Capitalists, verse 1, (or from some movie)


Gravatarthat's ok, backslider. i'm pretty sure "ripple" is in the bible too.


GravatarYou conservative clowns need to be careful. You are trying to ignore the true meaning of this election.


GravatarHere's a song I learned in Sunday school to help remember the names of the disciples:

There were 12 disciples
Jesus called to help him:
Simon Peter, Andrew
James, his brother, John
Phillip, Thomas, Matthew
Somethin Somethin Somethin
Somethin Somethin Somethin
And Bartholomew!


GravatarYou liberal clowns need to understand this deep truth:

It's not the heat, it's the humidity.

signed,

--God, It's Muggy!


Gravatari remember when this whole thing began
no talk of god then, we called you a man
and remember, i've been your right hand man all along
you have set them all on fire
they think they've found the new messiah
and they'll hate you when they find they're wrong

judas 19:69


GravatarThought there were two Jameses.

Problem for me is that I learned the Bible from a book I got for Christmas as a child. It was called The Bible in Pictures. It was like a comic book Bible, and I stuck with the OT because the stories were better. I practically had it memorized.


GravatarDan McEnroe - That was another major ROFLMAO comment.


Gravatartena, you're still way ahead of most fundamentalists. most of them learned the bible from reading chick tracts and "the late, great planet earth".


Gravatar"Problem for me is that I learned the Bible from a book I got for Christmas as a child. It was called The Bible in Pictures. It was like a comic book Bible, and I stuck with the OT because the stories were better. I practically had it memorized."

That's kind of scary. The OT is pretty bloody. . .well, I guess the NT is too, what with that crucifiction thing and all. Did the story of Noah's Arc show all multitudes drowning in terror? What a great kids' story!


GravatarAnother from the Book of the Apocalypse:

"Charlie don't surf."


GravatarAnd from the Book of Mick

"You can't always get what you want; but if you try sometime you just might find
you get what you need."


GravatarWildpeace

Not the peace of a cease-fire
not even the vision of the wolf and the lamb,
but rather
as in the heart when the excitement is over
and you can talk only about a great weariness.
I know that I know how to kill, that makes me an adult.
And my son plays with a toy gun that knows how to open and close its eyes and say Mama.
A peace
without the big noise of beating swords into plowshares,
without words, without
the thud of the heavy rubber stamp: let it be light, floating, like lazy white foam.
A little rest for the wounds - who speaks of healing?
(And the howl of the orphans is passed from one generation to the next, as in a relay race:
the baton never falls.)

Let it come
like wildflowers,
suddenly, because the field
must have it: wildpeace.


GravatarThat was a poem of Yehuda Amichai


GravatarAlso from the Book of Bob (and appropriate for the den of thieves we have in this misadministration):

"Steal a little and they throw you in jail/Steal a lot and they make you king!"


Gravatarand I try, oh my God do I try
I try all the time
in this institution
and I pray, oh my God do I pray
I pray ev'ry single day
for a revolution

25 years of my life and still
I'm trying to get up that great big hill of hope
for a destination

From the Book of 4 Angry Chicks


GravatarThe Book of Bob is as close as it comes to being the Bible - you can find a phrase to fit every occasion.


That Bob has been in business for awhile, with all his raging glory.

Idiot Wind has to be the new National Anthem.


Gravatarfrom the book of snoopy:

"it was a dark and stormy night."

"curse you, red baron!"


GravatarIdiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
Blowing down the backroads headin' south.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

Book of St. Bob


GravatarI woke up on the roadside, daydreamin' 'bout the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin' me see stars.
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies.
One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzin' around your eyes,
Blood on your saddle.

The Book of St. Bob


Gravatarmore from the book of bob:

rifleman stalkin the sick and the lame
preacherman seeks the same
who gets there first is uncertain

nightsticks and watercannon, teargas, padlocks
molotov cocktails and rocks
behaind every curtain

false-hearted judges, dyin in the webs that they spin
only a matter of time
til night comes steppin in


Gravatar"Now, let us bow our heads in payment"

Book of Adams


GravatarCan anyone tell me who does the Lord's Prayer parody that goes something like,

Much further out than inevitable
Halloween's thy game
Sky king is come and will is done
Uncertain as it is uneven
Give us today hors doeuvres in bed
As we forgive those who have dressed up against us
And need us not enter inflation
Butter liver onions and potatoes


GravatarMaybe that line shows up in the Left Behind series. That's just like the Bible, right?


GravatarBy the by - Grogan edited her article and now attributes the quote to Shakespeare. I think she was going to replace the quote with the Biblical injunction "Don't go to bed with no price on your head" but her editors talked her out ot it.


GravatarAnd then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all the time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

Sadly, however, before she could get to a phone to tell anyone about it, a terrible, stupid catastrophe occurred, and the idea was lost forever.

Book of Adams


GravatarLove Hurts


GravatarOur lager,

Which art in barrels,

Hallowed be thy drink.

I will be drunk,

At home as in the tavern.

Give us this day our foamy head,

And forgive us our spillages,

As we forgive those who spill against us.

And lead us not to incarceration,

But deliver us from hangovers.

For thine is the beer, The bitter and The lager.

Forever and ever,

Barmen

Book of Potent Potables


Gravatari once thought to "thine own self be true" came from emerson, then i realized he was quoting shakespeare.

hey, at least i figured it out.

kaye looks like a wal mart lady. pasty complexion, dead dull eyes, and probably a rock for a brain.

"don't send me no more letters no, not unless you mail them from desolation row"


GravatarBesides, it's a weird quote for a fundie to use. What if being true to your own self makes you a homosexual or makes you divorce your husband or abort a fetus? I alwasy thought they didn't want people being true to their own selves; they wanted people to do what they told them to do.


Gravatar"But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore/They're already overcrowded from your dirty little war"

Book of John


Gravatarbetter bob

"Shakespeare is in the alley, with his pointed shoes and his bells, talking to some french girl who says she knows me well. Well I would send a letter, and find out if she's talked but the post office has been stolen and the mail box is locked. Oh mamma, can this really be the end, to be ....


GravatarHecate - Yeah, I was thinking the same thing as you all along.

To thine own self be true? Huh? What if thine own self is an incestuous kleptomaniac with Tourettes?


GravatarTena,
I dunno. Sounds like an interesting person to watch in action.


GravatarYour flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.
They're already overcrowded from you dirty little war.
Jesus don't like killin' no matter what the reasons for.
Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.


Gravatarsmarty jones: jesus h. christ, I am sorry for you family situation.

Ah, well, don't be. I only lived with her until she and my dad divorced, when I was five. You can't pick your relatives. Besides, just knowing her has given me horrific insight into that wacky portion of "red America" that worships DubyaChrist.

I remember when I got my first good job, apartment, et al... this was when Mom still lived in the same area as I did, and she went with me to get some furnishings and whatnot. As it so happened, I needed a new TV, and decided on a Mitsubishi -- which appalled my mom, seeing as how it was (gasp!) Japanese! I told her the TV was built in Georgia by peanutheads making $8/hr. (minimum wage was maybe $3.15?), whereas the RCA she preferred was now (then -- early '80s) owned by a French firm, and built entirely in Mexico (all of which happened to be quite true). Her response? She started reciting one of her original jingoistic poems at me, about "made in the USA." Uh, yeah, Mom... why don't you go get a Coke, or somethin'?
.


GravatarHow ironic that she would quote Shakespeare who was bi-sexual, thinking that she was quoting the Bible.


GravatarThe Sons of Zebedee, Andrew, Simon bar-jesus, Judas, Judas Iscariot, John the beloved, Matthias, Thomas the doubter, James, and ... um ... dunno.

Not bad for not using google.


GravatarWho knew that Jebus had 7 brothers and sisters? Names?
Dream
Destiny
Destruction
Delirium(used to be Delight)
Despair
Desire
and the cute one, Death.

And the story of their adventures is WAY more interesting than the story of Jebus and his pals.


GravatarSomeone's gonna get hurt (and we'll probably never hear about it; you know, Southern style justice).
.
Grand Moff Texan



maybe one of these groups can give a reference to some place local.

http://www.csuchico.edu/~kcfount...t/ arabamer.html


GravatarTena,

this one's for you!


Gravatar"How ironic that she would quote Shakespeare who was bi-sexual, thinking that she was quoting the Bible.
Jerry | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 5:18 pm | "

I thought Shakespeare was two women.


GravatarPhilalethes- I thought that story was very funny when I saw it on the local news here last night. I'm sure it had nothing to do with their nationally-publicized sit-in the day after the election.


GravatarWhoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'Cause we behave the same . . .
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nerds on the left
Nerds on the right
Religious fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
'N makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here

You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up
'N disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years . . . )

You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgen
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (Get Down!)
Not his, not hers (but what the hey?)
The Good Book says:
"It gotta be that way!"
But their book says:
"REVENGE THE CRUSADES . . .
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades . . . "
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our God says:
"There ain't no other!"
Our God says
"It's all okay!"
Our God says
"This is the way!"

It says in the book:
"Burn 'n destroy . . .
'N repent, 'n redeem
'N revenge, 'n deploy
'N rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
'Cause they don't go for what's in the book
'N that makes 'em BAD
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice French bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise
OUR GOD
("Cause he can really take care of business!")

And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blonde wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(Depending on which book you're using at the time . . . Can't use theirs . . . it don't work . . . it's all lies . . . Gotta use mine . . . )
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night . . .
Every day . . .
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following God's


GravatarHey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following God's Orders
Hey, Let's get serious . . .
God knows what he's doin' . . .
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
"He made us all to be just like Him," so . . .
If we're dumb . . .
Then God is dumb . . .
(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)

from the book of Frank the Zappa


GravatarOh yeah, I can't remember which Bible book it's from (probably OT), but I'm sure I remember learning about some poor souls by the names of Marshall, Will, and Holly who are plunged into a cruel netherworld 1000 feet below for some reason or other. A land of the lost as it were.


Gravatarthis one's for you!
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 5:40 pm | #


Science marches on!


GravatarHere in the upper midwest our bible has the saying: "Save big money at Menards!"


GravatarBackslider - you still here?


GravatarYour flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.
They're already overcrowded from you dirty little war.
Jesus don't like killin' no matter what the reasons for.
Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.
sancho | Email | Homepage | 11.12.04 - 5:00 pm | #

from the prophet John of Prine

when was that - 30 years ago? the more things change...


GravatarYou know, as bad as so many Christian materials are, this is really a snotty and anti-intellectual piece.

The Bible, say what you will about it, is an amazing compendium of old texts, some of them scorchingly beautiful.

It's very difficult to deal with it even a little bit and come out of it contemptuously. Which is why I don;t believe Poorman has really spent any time with it at all.

Which is one more reason why we're going to get our asses kicked every tim out, from this point forward. Does ANYONE really imagine that the pathway to electability in our lifetimes goes through ridiculing the Bible?

Rip the book, but rip it based on reading it, not some adolescent spoof of it.


GravatarIs "Go fuck thyself" in the Bible?


GravatarMy all-time favorite passage from the Book of Bob: In which he recounts the feeling of being stuck in Memphis with those Mobile Blues AGAIN!:
"Here I sit trying to figger out the price
you gotta pay to get outta doin all this twice..."


GravatarJesus had six siblings:
Lidia
Alida
Jaime
Joselito
Simon
Jude


GravatarRip the book, but rip it based on reading it, not some adolescent spoof of it.
Mike Finley


If you read the thread, many commenters are not necessarily spoofing the bible per se, they are spoofing the religiosity which seems to elevate any number of ridiculous and counter-Christian beliefs to the status of the biblical. Far and away, the spoof is not about the bible; it is about the fools who profess to use the bible for guidance, yet manage to lead lives encompassed by nonspiritual principles. Seems you are the snotty one here.


GravatarSorry, I read the Bible and the sequel in the original, and I'm still a secular humanist. When I used to argue with people who tried to save my soul, they'd fall back on "the Devil can quote Scripture to his own use." And I'd say, "well, that's what I was thinking about you, but I wanted to be polite."


GravatarIronically enough, "To thine own self be true" must be some kind of ultimate in moral relativism. How absolute can you be if you measure things against your own changing self?

Of course, the world practices moral relativism, whether the right wing/evangelicals like it or not. Murder, slavery, marriage, homosexuality: all of these have changed definitions and have had our attitudes about them change.

But then, we are dealing with a group that doesn't understand (or trust) history. They emulate their leader and never read newspapers (or textbooks), just let someone else tell them what's important.


GravatarIronically enough, "To thine own self be true" must be some kind of ultimate in moral relativism. How absolute can you be if you measure things against your own changing self?

Of course, the world practices moral relativism, whether the right wing/evangelicals like it or not. Murder, slavery, marriage, homosexuality: all of these have changed definitions and have had our attitudes about them change.

But then, we are dealing with a group that doesn't understand (or trust) history. They emulate their leader and never read newspapers (or textbooks), just let someone else tell them what's important.


GravatarAll your base are belong to us?


Gravatar"I will fight these motherfuckers with every ounce of my being. I will not allow them to take over this country as long as I have breath in my lungs."
commie atheist

Very Well said!!! This is exactly how I feel now. I have been an atheist for years, but have always been low profile about it, careful not to show disrespect to the many Christians who live around me, or to my relatives who embrace this idiocy.

I will be silent no longer. I will show them the same respect they have been showing us for years. This election drove home the danger we face from the insidious infiltration of religion into the very fabric of our constitution.

Religious zealots have declared war on reason, justice, honesty, and all the advances that have made America great, by putting this murderous regime back into the White House. So, war it will be! For once, they may have to defend their lunacy when we begin speaking up. And the few I have confronted, cannot defend their positions. They simply walk away in a self-righteous huff. In other words, "How dare you be disrepectful to a privileged child of God."

This means war on all fronts - prayer in school, "In God We Trust" on our currency, "Under God" in our pledge, Ten commandmants in court rooms, tax exempt churches, Chaplins, paid with our tax dollars, in the military, Congress, Supreme Court, etc.

Let's take our country back from the delusional morons and make it great again! We have been praising the "King's New Clothes" for two long now, knowing full well that he is walking around buck naked. It is time to let him know that we can see his nakedness.

Thanks again for a powerful eye-opening post!! ~Sherry


GravatarGrand Moff -

OMG - I hope your friend will be alright. Please let us know what happens. Everything about it is scary, but the notion that someone stole his passport in order to frame him is beyond scary.

I hope you can help him. You're a real friend.


Gravatarmarginal prophet,

you have hit the literary nail on the head. "To thine ownself be true", spoken by Polonius, is irony galore. That the wingnuts would embrace it as biblical-like wisdom is funny and yet another example of how much they hate deep thinking. (Kate has, I assume, long since corrected her mistake. Her column now rightly attributes the quote to Shakespeare).


GravatarHomer's biblical critigue:

Everything is expensive, take this Bible for instance, 17 bucks and talk about a preachy book. Everyones a sinner!.....'cept this guy.


GravatarAnd the ones that momma gives you, don't do anything at all. Book of Grace


GravatarIf you want to piss of a winger point out that Jesus was a liberal.


GravatarA brand new bag

The past couple of weeks have been very difficult for me. I have grieved for the 48% who came up short, and for the country as a whole, which, in my opinion, has no idea what it has done to itself.

In my opinion the president is a figure along the lines of Oliver Cromwell -- a radical Puritan who will kill many, many people in the name of Jesus -- and in the end have no idea the harm he has wrought. Just the satisfaction of having successfully got in the bad guys' [our] faces.

So it pains me to see the tone of so many in the wake of this awful loss. Basically, it is a tone of smart-assedness.

I was over at Eschaton, a wonderful blog for anti-Bushites to gather over the past few years. In particular I looked at this set of remarks about a post by the Poor Man about egg-sucking GOP Christians:

http://www.haloscan.com/ comments...028644631260739

I didn't much like the anti-intellectualism passing as wisdom that Poor Man provided. I liked even less the really adolescent anti-religious sarcasm of all these posters.

I want to say this carefully. I know what it is like to be young and angry and feel superior to people who exemplify an apparently thoughtless, apparently chauvinistic faith-life. I've spent many pleasant decades doing the same thing.

But my friends, if we are the just ones, if our cause is a good one, then we have to learn like blazes right now. And snide name-calling and other recess games to make ourselves feel good is not going to change American history.

The gauntlet has really been thrown down. Either progressive people GROW into something more attractive to more people, or it will dwindle to nothing in very short order. And this at a time when our country is faced with a generation of fascist leaders. A most delicate time, I shouldn't need to add.

What we need to do is not cause the number of faith-oriented voters to grow by insulting them ... by blaming all of them for the visible shortcomings of a few. What we need is to bleed 5% of them away from their monolithic base. And we do that not by poking fun and brandishing stereotypes. We do that the old-fashioned way -- by being ourselves respectable, and honorable, and appealing.

I don't blame John Kerry for our loss. he was functioning at his peak, I believe. He was pretty good. I blame us -- the Democrats and independents who took this election too lightly, and did not rise to the level of seriousness it required.

We indulged ourselves in our prejudices, when we needed to be calling out, in brotherhood and decency, to our friends on the other side to join us. We did not provide a compelling argument for them to do so.

We know that millions of squeamish votes were cast for President Bush. But we did not do what needed to be done to convert those to Democratic votes.

We need to start learning why those few millions voted as they did. Understand what drives them. What they care about. Think


GravatarWe need to start learning why those few millions voted as they did. Understand what drives them.

Fear and hatred.

Of women, of queers, of brown people, of diversity, of science, of the Other.

I talked to many Bush supporters over the past several months, and none of them, not a single one, responded to reason. George W. Bush is a "man of faith" and he's "pro-life" and it's "better to fight terrorists there than here" and "Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11" and on and on and on. They didn't understand or just didn't care that George W. Bush had presided over more executions as Governor of Texas than any other in history. They didn't have a problem with women and children being attacked by American cluster bombs. They didn't care that the war was botched from the start, that because of Bush's ineptitude, all the materials needed to make a nuclear weapon are now no longer where they were, under IAEA seal in Iraq. They didn't care that the rate of abortions in this country has gone UP since Bush took office.

It isn't possible to have a logical argument with someone who lives in a world of blind, ignorant faith. Not even necessarily religious faith either, but more often faith in a single person whose incompetence has now cost tens of thousands of lives. A virulent, spiteful faith in one person.

Where I come from we call that a cult, and deprogramming cult victims is very hard to do one-on-one... To do it in such vast numbers as we would need to do now seems almost impossible.


GravatarMr. Finley:

Those of us on the left can spend the next 4 years playing naked twister and we will come out on top. These idiots WILL self destruct and at this point the more damage they do is just ok with me because each act of incompetence or ignorant arrogance digs their hole deeper. By the end of this 4 years, if the first 4 are any indication, the US will no longer be the worlds foremost superpower and the blame will be stamped on Bush's ass. His name will be used in ordinary conversations as an adjective for "inept arrogance" and as it is with the term "sour grapes" most won't even remember where the phrase originated (Aesop's Fables - The Fox and the Grapes).

With the dollar in decline the way it is, our main creditors, Japan and China are going to call in their loans before they begin to hemmorage losses. CRASH!

It's laughable that we shouldn't ridicule these people. You're right, history demonstrates that the rational will end up on top. That's why Rev. Wildmon, Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh are so happy these days. The public responds to Madison Avenue BS not reason. That is, until they have no other choice.


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