I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
There's light at the end of the tunnel.
Baghdad airport shut down on Allawis orders. Progress?
A US battalion was rushed out of Fallujah to help in Mosul. Progress?
Driving the civilian polulation out of a city almost completely and then denying humanitarian assistance to the remainder sure is a great way to get them to agree that you've "restored order" to their lives.
"Freedom is on the march."
Running street battles against rebels in every major city of Iraq about a year and a half after "Mission Accomplished" - progress?
How much more progress can we stand?
As a Nixon draftee, this sounds EXACTLY like the "progress" made in Viet Nam.
So we attack the fucking hospitals first? Where are the flowers?
veritas
I read somewhere this morning that they pulled border guards out to send them to Mosul. Also noted they said a palace that the Americans had occupied was now in the hands of insurgents. The report simply said the Americans had left. Not sure what they meant happened in that case.
All in all this is a furball in need of serious laxatone. (Sorry still stuck in catblogging Friday mode)
Nice catch, a-man.
What you don't realize is that not only are the buzz phrases always the same, but that's not really W, live. It's a digital program that synthesizes a lifelike, moving image of Bush, and merely applies words like "progress" to whatever subject is programmed-in, along with the vitual preznit.
The real McCoy's off in Crawford with Condi and a sack of pretzels.
up is down, bad is god, freedom is slavery. When dems going to buy a paer or two and CNN-to combat bs like this?
Not even the AP can take this bullshit seriously - they headlined the story "Bush Paints Rosy Picture of Iraq Situation". Choice passage:
He said "support continues to grow" internationally for the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, even though the multinational force will see some reductions in the coming months.
While the largest members of Bush's "coalition of the willing" — Britain with 8,500 troops and Italy with 3,000, are standing firm — Hungary says it won't keep its 300 troops there beyond March 31, the Czechs plan to pull out by the end of February and the Dutch soon afterward. Bulgaria says it may slightly reduce its contingent of 480 infantry soldiers next year. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania all plan to stay through June. Japan is feeling pressure to withdraw and Spain pulled out its 1,300 troops earlier this year.
Denmark, meanwhile, says its 501 troops in the southern Iraqi city of Basra will stay as long as needed, and Romania is considering bolstering its 730-member force for the elections. Georgia is also boosting its troop deployment from 159 to 850.
The president also hailed the effort to train and equip Iraqi personnel to take over security for their country. He said nearly 115,000 Iraqi soldiers, police officers and other security personnel are now on duty and that 200,000 will be in place by the end of the year.
"Ultimately, Iraq must be able to defend itself, and Iraqi security forces are taking increasing responsibility for their country's security," Bush said.
Increasing the ranks of U.S.-trained Iraqi troops is important for a number of reasons. Chiefly, getting that number up increases the likelihood of the Pentagon (news - web sites) being able to reduce the number of American troops in Iraq after the elections in January.
There are about 142,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, up several thousand from a few weeks ago.
Some doubts have been raised about the reliability of Iraqi security forces. For instance, the General Accountability Office, an investigative arm of Congress, said recently that many Iraqis have been insufficiently trained and equipped. In some cases, the only "training" required of new policemen was that they wear a uniform, the report found. And only a fraction of the total number are actual troops.
This must be a minor combat operation. I know that because Bush declared major combat operations over way back in 2003. Much more progress like this and the entire Middle East will be in flames.
DDon't blame me - I voted for the one with a brain!
Remember when the insurgents were 'increasingly desperate' because Saddam was still at large?
Remember when the insurgents were 'increasingly desperate' because of the handover of power?
Remember when the insurgents were 'increasingly desperate' because of the forthcoming US elections?
Now the insurgents are 'increasingly desperate' because of the January elections in Iraq.
Notice a pattern here?
OT: Krugman taking calls on CSPAN2right now. Offset the wingnuts.
Just finished up watching Krugman on C-SPAN. Teriffic as always, especially his take on the fact that "values" (ie. no abortion and get-the-gays) are merely the bait that the Rethugs use to trap voters. The real prize is the destruction of the legacy of FDR.
Moreover, Social Security "privatization" led to the econopmic collapse of (wait for it!) Argentina.
So let's hear it now:
"Stand Back
Buenos Ares !"
Lift the covers on the happy, smiling, free people walking on sunshine and...
Unknown assailants set fire to three Iraqi police checkpoints on the road between Kirkuk and Tikrit and stole their weapons and police vehicles.
The Iraqi media authorities instructed the press to adhere to the government version of events. The Iraqi Media Commission told media organizations to "instruct their reporters in Fallujah...not to report unrealistic points of view nor to refer to the insurgents, who are criminals and terrorists, as "nationalists".
Hundreds of US troops afflicted with Leishmaniasis. Approximately 660 soldiers deployed to Iraq have been afflicted with Leishmaniasis. The parasitic disease causes fever due to invasion of the visceral organs ("Dum-dum" fever) and cutaneous infection ("Aleppo boil").
Eye witnesses in Germany report a "major" influx of wounded to the US military hospital in Landstuhl.
Director of anti-crime unit assassinated. Mouaffak Mohammad Dahlam was assassinated in his home in southeast Mosul and two of his bodyguards killed.
and on and on...
What's the line "clearing mosques of weapons" all about?
Fallujah became a training ground for insurgent fighters because of Chimpy.
If he listened to the commanders on the ground, it wouldn't have gotten out of hand in the first place, according to a rencent LAT article.
The magazine The Economist once used the phrase, "Gehngis Khan with a telegraph" to express their fear of technology combined with a ruthless military warlord.
Now we have Tamerlane with a video phone.
If you collected the skulls of all the Iraqi victims of his war, you could probably get a pile to rival Tamerlanes', or the one that used to be by the temple to the Aztec sun god in what is now Mexico City.
has the site been scrubbed? I can't see it.
oops, wrong thread
dave, add the Dutch to the list of "The Incredibly Shrinking Token Coalition."
they are leaving in March.
Live Free or Die:
just a reflection, I remember when you scolded me for making fun of your name when you first appeared as "Live Free of Die," but I don't think you quite caught that at the time.
I like your posts, btw; hope we can be friends!
Let freedom reign.
We're turning a corner.
Heh, heh, heh, anyone has a prollem with Bush Tell That to the Bush buttkissing Tokyo Rose Wussies.
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No Bamboozles and Bumrushes, Bush gotta go.
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What is the plan for Ohio, we don’t want no Tokyo Rose Wussie jackasses conceding on our behalf.
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What's the line "clearing mosques of weapons" all about?
It's all about convincing Americans that Islam is a violent religion. I'm no great fan of Islam -- their record on women doesn't overwhelm me, but even I know that it has factions that advocate peace. But whipping up Americans so that they'll sacrifice their children to Bush's war requires painting Islam as a religion whose holy sites are full of weapons.
now that the war has destroyed Falluka and caused the insurgency to spread to a whole bunch of other cities, allowing the US to go destroy those cities... yes, we are making progress.
Once we turn the whole population into either dead people or refugies, and force the refugies to go to some other country... well, that leaves an un-occupied Iraq for us to keep and then we can start to pump oil in earnest and to build and use our military bases for the long term.
Yup, all is going to plan.
Director of anti-crime unit assassinated. Mouaffak Mohammad Dahlam was assassinated in his home in southeast Mosul and two of his bodyguards killed.
and on and on...
kathy
kathy,
I see Allawi got to the anti-crime guy. I always thought it was going to be Chalabi as Chief Thief, but it is weird how the world works, isn't it?
The truth is this: America has lost in Iraq.
Support the troops - impeach Bush!
Bush gonna turn a corner, right back to Maine 
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President Kerry will fix Iraq.
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Bushie cut and run, Kerry stay the course.
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Everyone groks reality.
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No to the Jackasses, yes to the Truth.
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It's time to start the bug-out pool.
As I see it, BushCo has three options:
a.) Massive reinforcements, impossible without a draft, and a year for training. This will destroy their administration.
b.) More of the same. This will also destroy their administration.
c.) Bug out. It might cost them the midterm elections, but if done promptly, and with due diligence on the domestic-propaganda front, they might be able to turn things around for the 2008 elections.
Since this administration is, as near as I can tell, about nothing except winning elections, I expect option C trial balloons to start as soon as the inauguration is over....
Bush Butt Kissers actually still fantasizing Bushie gonna save them.
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Bushie gonna cut and run, only Kerry can stay the course.
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No to the Bug Out, No to the Bushie Cut and Run.
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There is no greater fiction than the presidents economic forecasts and is prognostications on Iraq. At least if you've listened to him over the last four years and watched what has actually happened. We're all in an Orwell novel.
No to the Nanny Allawi, yes to free elections, yes to Stay the Course.
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Thanks for the update on Bush's radio address. He is banned from my house, his voice and his image.
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." H.L.Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Time for the not-so-plain folks to organize and demonstrate. Nothing like taking to the streets as an effective political weapon.
I think Hitler made some great progress in Poland.
See ya later, my sweet babies .
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No to Trolls.
Meanwhile, all hell is breaking loose in other parts of Iraq:
Militants take control in parts of Mosul
Insurgents have taken charge of some areas of south and western Mosul, holding two police stations and manning road blocks, as Iraq's third largest city appeared to slide out of US and Iraqi control.
http://tinyurl.com/6x5sj
From Carson on his loss (great read):
"I don't remember when I first realized that my campaign for United States Senate was in trouble. But one moment stands out. I was in Sallisaw, Oklahoma, home of the annual Grapes of Wrath Festival, in which locals celebrate John Steinbeck's fictional Joad family and their mythical journey from eastern Oklahoma to California. It was a Sunday morning, one week before the third anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, and I had been invited by the pastor of a local Baptist church to discuss the topic: "How Would Jesus Vote?" Both my opponent in the Senate race, Tom Coburn, and I had been invited to what was more or less an interview before the pastor's congregation. I would go first, then Coburn would speak the following Sunday, and a right-wing talk-radio host--no friend of mine, to be sure--would conclude the three-week inquiry into how Jesus would want us to cast our ballots.
Now, I must confess: My own view is that Jesus would probably not vote at all, given the organized corruption that passes for modern American politics. But the idea that Christ Himself might sit out the 2004 election was apparently not under consideration, so I accepted the invitation--much to the pastor's avowed surprise. As an active Baptist who grew up in the Baptist church, I had no illusions that most of my co-religionists were ardent Democrats, but I rarely turned down any chance to make the case for my own candidacy and that of my fellow party members. After all, wasn't Daniel blessed for braving the lion's den? "
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?
i=2...s=diarist112204
Wait until we have "elections" in January -- I expect Bush to just declare victory and begin his next new war somewhere else.
Don't believe what you see or hear.
The librul media's out to smear.
We are winning hands down.
We'll retake every town.
I've been briefed by the fucking Sneer.
"rosy" = bloodsoaked
The truth is this: America has lost in Iraq.
Bob H
Amen, brother.
One has to give significant thought to these democratic elections looming in Iraq. No doubt they will be called a success even if the Sunni's boycott, even if there is terrible violence, or the results are somehow inconclusive.
I can't help but wonder what the administration has planned for the elections. They, no doubt, have a preferred outcome, but how far will they go to achieve that end? How far will our enemies, who represent a broad coalition of anti-US groups with assumably different preferred end results, go to see their preferred ends?
Where will they put the polling places in Fallujah? Frankly, there aren't any buildings standing there anymore.
Consider the results of the election, if the same tactics that Karl Rove employed here were to be employed there, i.e. securing the fundamentalist base with scare tactics of social and moral demise, the opposition's banning of the Koran, rampant homosexuality and lesbianism, and election shenanigans like minority suppression, push bombing, and police intimidation.
E-voting is not an issue, because most of Iraq is lacking the required E.
How will success be defined then?
"rosy" = bloodsoaked
Perfect.
The GIs should have been returned home once they killed Butch Uday and The Qusay Kid and captured Saddam. Now a limited victory is snatched away by the machinations of dumbells like Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld.
"rosy" = bloodsoaked
cgreen
amen, brother. (or sister.)
lots of truth today, and I haven't even finisheds ny first cup of coffee!
b.) More of the same. This will also destroy their administration.
Why would it? It didn't hurt them the first time around. The status quo works for them just fine.
It gets even better. At dawn today, the US abandoned its base in Mosul and the insurgents arrived with trucks and vans to sack what was left behind.
More:
As I arrived at the church, my wife and I were given the church bulletin, which outlined the weekly selection of hymns and Bible readings. On the back of the bulletin, atop the blank space reserved for copious note-taking during the sermon, was the heading: "wwjv? pro-life or pro-death?" (I favored the partial-birth abortion ban but opposed overturning Roe v. Wade.) In the sanctuary, a 20-by-20-foot depiction of a fetus looked down upon the assembled throng from a projection screen. Superimposed upon the unsettling image--which morphed to show the fetus in various stages of gestation--was fact after fact about abortions in America.
After the morning rituals, the pastor called me to the stage, and we engaged in a lengthy discussion about abortion, homosexuality, "liberal judges," and other controversial matters. After leaving the stage, I rejoined the congregation, and the pastor launched into an attack on the "pro-choice terrorists," who were, to his mind, far more dangerous than Al Qaeda. Yes, he acknowledged, thousands had died on September 11, but abortion was killing millions and millions. This was a holocaust, he continued, and we must all vote righteously. Vote righteously! In 13 months of campaigning across the vast state of Oklahoma, I must have seen or heard this phrase a thousand times, often on the marquees of churches, where, outside of election season, one finds only clever and uplifting biblical bromides. But it was not until that September Sunday in Sallisaw, one of the most Democratic towns in Oklahoma, that I first understood that the seemingly innocuous phrase "vote righteously" was the slogan not of a few politicized churches, but the cri de coeur of millions--millions who fervently believe that their most deeply held values are under assault and who further see this assault as at least tolerated by the Democratic Party, if not actually led by it.
More:
"As I arrived at the church, my wife and I were given the church bulletin, which outlined the weekly selection of hymns and Bible readings. On the back of the bulletin, atop the blank space reserved for copious note-taking during the sermon, was the heading: "wwjv? pro-life or pro-death?" (I favored the partial-birth abortion ban but opposed overturning Roe v. Wade.) In the sanctuary, a 20-by-20-foot depiction of a fetus looked down upon the assembled throng from a projection screen. Superimposed upon the unsettling image--which morphed to show the fetus in various stages of gestation--was fact after fact about abortions in America.
After the morning rituals, the pastor called me to the stage, and we engaged in a lengthy discussion about abortion, homosexuality, "liberal judges," and other controversial matters. After leaving the stage, I rejoined the congregation, and the pastor launched into an attack on the "pro-choice terrorists," who were, to his mind, far more dangerous than Al Qaeda. Yes, he acknowledged, thousands had died on September 11, but abortion was killing millions and millions. This was a holocaust, he continued, and we must all vote righteously. Vote righteously! In 13 months of campaigning across the vast state of Oklahoma, I must have seen or heard this phrase a thousand times, often on the marquees of churches, where, outside of election season, one finds only clever and uplifting biblical bromides. But it was not until that September Sunday in Sallisaw, one of the most Democratic towns in Oklahoma, that I first understood that the seemingly innocuous phrase "vote righteously" was the slogan not of a few politicized churches, but the cri de coeur of millions--millions who fervently believe that their most deeply held values are under assault and who further see this assault as at least tolerated by the Democratic Party, if not actually led by it. "
Meanwhile, while our eyes are focused on Iraq, Al Quaeda is making inroads elswhere. I have been aware of their spread, but I was a bit stunned by a report in the Air Force Association magazine (the web site) actually on what they are doing the Sahara and the northern portion (at this point) in Africa in general.
Also, now that the election is over, Cheney seems to have gone poof down his gopher hole again.
Progress, progress, progress.
Failure is progress.
Violence is progress.
Inflamed insurgency is progress.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
McAdder,
Your point is well taken, but I see it as more of a fulfillment of what the US said it was going to do, rather than what intended to do. The US said its intention was liberation, but that was just phase 1. The Iraqis were fine with liberation, but we never said anything about occupation, which was our intention all along.
What is our true goal in Iraq? Its obviously not a spoken one. Is it to transform Iraq into a pro-US state? Not gonna happen bub.
We could've kept our word, and bailed after we axed the Husseins...but we didn't because that was just our stated goal.
Like Napoleon in Moscow the nitwit finds himself far from home and celebrating an empty victory.
The whole world is watching what is happening in Iraq, the United States is watching Scot Peterson.
This is how you maintian a modern dictatorship, through the TV. No need to have major, sustained suppression of the media if they're all distracting the people from reality.
The American people will be shocked when the next attack comes. They'll have no idea why it happened except for some vague notion that "they hate us because we're free". A democracy can't withstand this kind of situation, not even a benign dictatorship can withstand it forever. Sooner or later the fact that the United States is an oligarchic dictatorship will be made undeniable.
I'd like to be convinced that this isn't true, please feel free to convince me.
We're on the offensive against the desperate holdouts and Saddam loyalists who oppose progress in Iraq
Oops I missed that one.
Bush has more than a few words he repeats over and over again.
Desperate is another.
Don't you guys know that the press is ignoring a big story here?
Fallujah is just full of pregnant white women. Many of whom are thinking of having an abortion.
Inform your respective media whores.
Now the insurgents are 'increasingly desperate'
More projection from the rethugs.
Obviously the failures in Iraq are due to the liberal media.
I read "about 1000 insurgents" have been killed.
I'm curious. Are they wearing "Insurgent" ID badges? Are we only counting the guys with raised AK47s or RPGs? How the hell do we know that the dead Iraqis are insurgents as opposed to unfortunate civilians?
Just asking because I see no reported casualty figures in the noncombatant category. I find that a little odd.
please tell me atrios is going to fisk David Brooks' column today including providing references to brooks' blase stance on leaking valeire plame's name...
please, i beg of you... please
Over 1000 dead soldiers and STILL no WMD!
The US strategic goals in Iraq are simple: partition, perpetual occupation of the 'sweetest' oilfields, and maintaining enough military presence in the region by which US 'influence' can be extended and maintained all the way to the Chinese border.
who airs these presidential radio addresses anyway? i know they all make them, but i have never heard one in my entire life.
Bush has been doing these radio addresses all along. The question is (no apologies to the Chimp) "is our media outlets also airing the Democratic responses?"
There was a report this morning (maybe in the newscast) on NPR, from a BBC reporter, describing the nightmare that's the aftermath of our invasion of Fallujah, where medical help cannot get into the city and people are dying, bleeding to death, etc. It's effing genocide we're committing there....
At the rate we are winning cities, we will hold not even one village, not even one village idiot.
The true aim of the invasion? In my opinion it was threefold:
1) Demonstration of hegemony (mainly to intimidate Germany, Russia, China and France)
2) Colonization
3) Controlling oilfields
simple really. It could have been very exit once Saddam was bagged, but no these bums need to turn it into a public burning.
"In the sanctuary, a 20-by-20-foot depiction of a fetus looked down upon the assembled throng from a projection screen."
incredible.
The US strategic goals in Iraq are simple: partition, perpetual occupation of the 'sweetest' oilfields, and maintaining enough military presence in the region by which US 'influence' can be extended and maintained all the way to the Chinese border.
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 11:27 am | # ....................Yes.The rest is window dressing for the rubes in flyover Mayberry RFD.
Elaine- Yes, Wolfowitz is writing an article about Iraq called "It takes a pillage".
This is "hard work," don't y'all know.
Indeed, our "progress" is "hard work."
It is "hard work" to make "progress."
It takes "hard work" to see that "progress" occurs.
"Progress" is "hard work."
We're "working hard" to see to it that "progress" is happening in Iraq.
Progress. Hard Work. Progress. Hard Work. Progress. Hard Work. Can't Touch This. Hard Work. Progress. Hard Work. Bust a Move. Hard Work. . . . .
And the American people joined in and sang along.
I'm living a history book. I'm being forced to read (and live) the entire history of the roman/napoleonic/german empires, and their declines. I have no way of stopping it becuase, it's history. This has all already happened. From the blind, fawning, ingnorant masses cheering as each soldier dies "for their freedom" to the helpless nations looking on in horror as destruction is wrought, we cannot stop this. It must continue on through to the bitter end.
The sad part is we already know how it ends. It ALWAYS ends the same way.
Olaf glad and big:
who airs these presidential radio addresses anyway? i know they all make them, but i have never heard one in my entire life.
Good question. They're available generally--NPR has them, with the responses, available via their satellite. Don't know any station that broadcasts them. Maybe C-Span? I don't watch TV.
Hey look it's a real time TeeVee Siege of Warsaw! Wooo hooo!
Quit being so skeptical
Is Mosul the next Fallujah?
From juancole.com:
Az-Zaman reports that telephone calls with residents of Mosul reveal that the guerrillas who took control of the city's streets the day before yesterday have burned all the police stations in the city and have released from jails all the criminals that had been incarcerated in them. In the center of Mosul, eyewitnesses said, the offices of government service agencies and economic targets had been set ablaze. A number of shops were attacked and/or looted.
Armed men roamed the streets and manned checkpoints between city quarters. Mosque preachers called on Mosul residents to flood into the streets to protect their quarters and government offices and shops. The main streets seemed deserted. American troops had withdrawn from the center of the city, but maintained control of bridges.
All signs of Iraqi national guardsmen and police had disappeared. The police chief of Ninevah province resigned (other reports say he was fired by the Allawi government).
How the hell do we know that the dead Iraqis are insurgents as opposed to unfortunate civilians?
the us spent months randomly bombing Fallujah, claiming that they'd struck rebel hideouts. Le Monde's reporter said the US had zero intelligence about who-what-where inside the city. After they'd bomb, they didn't bother to reconnoitre. They blew off "damage assessment reports." They did not care--the US had no knowledge about who or what they were bombing.
Operation Sith was about collective punishment. There must be hundreds of civilinan dead in the city.
If Iraq is bad, it's getting worse here as well. Marial law next? Except from the WaPo today:
...In June, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a landmark decision rejecting the Justice Department's position that Bush may indefinitely hold and interrogate alleged al Qaeda and Taliban members captured on the battlefield without filing charges or providing them lawyers. The court ruled that the detainees were entitled to challenge their detention in U.S. courts.
Although Ashcroft has been willing to engage in rhetorical combat throughout his nearly four-year tenure, such an open attack on the judiciary by a sitting attorney general is unusual. The comments came two days after Bush nominated his chief counsel and longtime confidant, Alberto R. Gonzales, to replace Ashcroft, who has said he will remain in the job until a successor is confirmed.
Anthony D. Romero, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, which has frequently criticized the attorney general, said the remarks were reminiscent of Ashcroft's appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee in December 2001, when he said criticism of administration antiterrorism policies "only aids terrorists."
"The idea that the attorney general would show such disdain for the rulings of the federal courts, or even the Supreme Court, is remarkable," Romero said. "This indicates why we need to fundamentally rethink Mr. Ashcroft's policies and why the Senate needs to ask tough questions of Mr. Gonzales."
Ashcroft, what arrogance.
If I see the Chimp and Blair walk down that red carpeted aisle to discuss the "eventual victory in Iraq" one more time....I'll think I'll barf. The question from the British reporter re, "Is Blair your poodle?" was pretty cool, though.
And I loved how "Capital Boy" bristled at it.
It gets even better. At dawn today, the US abandoned its base in Mosul and the insurgents arrived with trucks and vans to sack what was left behind.
Have you seen the pictures from Mosul? Total fucking rout.
Oh, and as for '1000 insurgents': as Sy Hersh said, we're back in the world of the Vietnam body count.
McAdder, don't forget a chance to see Americans killing people with dark skin. I'm certain that Karl Rove took the fans of that into consideration. "COPS" notched up a few steps.
This is how you maintian a modern dictatorship, through the TV. No need to have major, sustained suppression of the media if they're all distracting the people from reality.
--" . . . the corporate media, who's function it is to distract the American public from what is really going on . . . ."
--Gore Vidal, "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace"
Sooner or later the fact that the United States is an oligarchic dictatorship will be made undeniable.
I'd like to be convinced that this isn't true, please feel free to convince me.
--I realized that this WAS true when the Democratic establishment signed on to the Iraq War and then, with the help of the corporate media, cut the legs out from under the mildly progressive and grassroots supported Dean movement.
--To paraphrase Vidal again: We have ONE political party in the United States--the Property Party--and it has two right wings.
The corporate media's influence upon this society is evil and destructive. Unfortunately, most of the American public insist upon continually going to and trusting this source for their view of the world. They are perfectly trained zombies, who let themselves be fooled and misled time and time again.
US 'influence' can be extended and maintained all the way to the Chinese border
konopelli raises an interesting point.
we've all believed since the beginning that this entire affair had more to do with corporate profits and feeding the military-industrial complex beast than "freedom" or "getting saddam 'cause he's bad."
(side note: anyone got any figures on reorders at Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc. as a result of materiel loss?)
but the China question is the most interesting to me, now.
is this really about chinese containment, at some deep level? are the monkey's handlers even able to think of this level, or are they simply consumed with a pursuit of profits and feeding the red-state morons with enough red-meat fetus pictures?
if that's the case, then why did the monkey bend over and yoga-like suck his own cock in the public eye when the Chinese shot our spy plane down? (remember that? fucker couldn't apologize enough back then....)
if that's the case, why are we continuing to export millions of manufacturing jobs to China at the URGING of the monkey administration (through tax incentives)?
if that's the case, why do we continue to allow leviathan Chinese-partner entities like Wal-mart to continue to exist as they are, and not break them up for the monopolies that they've become - monopolies in league with enemies?
i'd like to see Paul Krugman take this subject on in a future column. he's one smart person and i appreciate his insight.
in any event, it's obvious that our business sector has its cock so deep inside China's butt (or theirs in ours, more likely), it would be nearly impossible to re-start our indigenous economy.
i mean, can you imagine paying an extra $5 for a DVD player because it came from a US-based manufacturer? (presuming we get rid of NAFTA and GATT, by the way; otherwise, it's hello Mexico)
Wal-Mart says you won't.
Never mind the fact that he tells us "our forces have made significant progress" every week... what's the deal with "clearing mosques of weapons?" IIRC, there was one weapons cache found buried beside a mosque in Baghdad - in January - so the President goes on air and implies that Iraqi mosques are, as a rule, stocked full of dangerous weapons?
Every time this president opens his mouth, another PR disaster drops out.
Jeremiah, what ARE corporations if nothing more than the extension of the will of greedy mankind? Why go forth and steal yourself when your "corporation" can do it? They protect the individual people at their helm while still executing their plans, with massive public financial backing.
The corporations are run by the greedy and the evil. We just call them corporations because you don't know their names.
kay, i suspect that anyone killed by us forces is by definition an "insurgent. just like anyone killed by us forces in vietnam was by definition "viet cong".
CNN is saying that Falluja is almost completely liberated. By the looks of it, leveled would be a better word.
Boy, I tell ya' someday I want to know what Novak and Brooks smoke.
So I can avoid ever taking it and having it make me into a bitter, idiotic, asshole.
Nightmare scenario:
Big terrorist attack, perhaps involving radioactivity or nuclear weapons will take place on American soil.
Americans will cry out for fearless leader to protect them.
Bush will assume more dictatorial powers, and erradicate what's left of our civil liberties.
He will resinstitute the draft, pointing out the need to get back at whoever did this to us (i.e., Iran, or Syria, or Venezuela.) The American people will go along with it.
Those of us who are now too awake to have a naive, rally-behind-your-leader, "come together" post-9/11 response, and who refuse to play along, will be villified as "anti-Americans" as "traitors" and as "pro-terrorist." We will be branded enemies of all that is good in America--freedom, and mom, and apple pie.
Concentration camps will be prepared for all of us traitors, and as we're rounded up, the American people will nod in assent.
Speaking of chimp on poodle, blair left town empty handed. he wanted a special presidential middle east representative, an international conference and a deadline for a palestinian state. bush screwed him over.
it's awful to see these british prime ministers reminded so publically that they are vassals. it's a sport at State and Defense to upend the British everytime they lay out the nice tea service. At least Tories MacMillan and Thatcher used to get feisty.
This new labour thing it a national humiliation for the British.
The Chinese own the Bush clan. Every single Bush relative works for a Chinese "company" and the Chinese also provide them with free prostitutes (ie, the secret police).
The Chinese are busy outwitting us across the planet and Bush sits there and drools because he is in their pay.
holy crap...the pictures over at raed in the middle...what's with this hooding and bondage crap? that will be a one thousand year insurgency.
A few things here:
1. Don't believe any of this B.S. about Fallujah winding down and this being some sort of victory. After weeks of announcing that we planned to go into Fallujah, did we really expect the fighters to stay in that city? How completely ignorant that we would mass our soldiers in one area and let the fighters get away to plan numerous assults all over the country during this battle.
2. Let's not forget that about 70% of those fighters are city residents who have had enough or are seeking revenge (this % comes from a military pundit on Hardball). And there are also plenty of elderly people, families, and disabled people who couldn't get out of that city. And they are now out of food and water.
3. This will end nothing. This will be a propaganda bonanza for those who hate us and want us out of the country. "Collective punishment" isn't only being used to describe this mission, there are other cities in Iraq that have been attacked just like Fallujah and are not being reported.
4. All this tells me is the military is doing it's job, kicking ass. But it also tells me that the politicians who run this mess have NO IDEA what they are doing.
"this new labour thing is a national humiliation for the british."
yeah. eventually i figure the brits will come to their senses and realize that they can either be a major european country or an insignificant accessory to the us. i figure they will go ahead and join europe when they do.
Attaturk, yeah Bobo is one messed up dude. I loved this excerpt:
"Langley was engaged in slow-motion, brazen insubordination, which violated all standards of honorable public service. It was also incredibly stupid, since C.I.A. officials were betting their agency on a Kerry victory."
translation from CIA: "What the hell is wrong with the American people? W is a blunderiung idiot. If only you knew what we know!"
However, as you probably know, the CIA is in turmoil and McGlaughlin quit. I fear that more and more career people at CIA will leave and there will be a Gossian neo-con takeover of the CIA. It will be a true politicized shop. So sad.
Slightly off topic, but if anyone here trolls right wing blogs you might put the Army recruiting link in their comment section.
they wanted this war, let them fight it.
Alice Marshall,
That is absolutely brilliant.
I read "about 1000 insurgents" have been killed.
I'm curious. Are they wearing "Insurgent" ID badges?..I see no reported casualty figures in the noncombatant category. I find that a little odd.
Kay
Kay, I remember in high school waking up every morning to my clock radio, and hearing the number of guys a year or so older than I was who were freshly killed the day before in Viet Nam. They would give the grand total of the war, like it was some sort of Bizarro Jerry's Kids Telethon. It was the first thing to enter my brain every morning as I would become conscious (which probably accounts for how I am, today).
But the funny thing was... in every report, there were always far greater multiples of "Viet Cong" killed along with them. So if you were keeping score at home, you always knew that no matter how many thousands upon thousands of American boys were being sent into the meat grinder, the Bad Guys were at least losing the war and would all be dead soon.
It was only later we found out that there were more "Viet Cong casualties" than there were actual people in Southeast Asia, or something.
As bad as losing vast numbers of your countrymen may be, it's equally crushing to awaken to the realization that your government lies to you, and pawns your very life to play spy games and enrich corporations. There is a critical mass which eventually is reached, in terms of the country "getting it", beyond which there is no more support, and mainstream society simply rebels.
I find I have to give witness like this frequently, because as the years march on, fewer and fewer demographics remember the whole sordid story of what really happened in our little Viet Nam adventure. And make no mistake: the bastards who planned this were counting on exactly that. It takes this kind of historical amnesia to make an Iraq War possible, and Bush & Co. have exploited it perfectly.
smarty - I guess Kerry's loss proves that the spooks don't have as much power or information as I thought.
Because I thought they wanted Kerry to win and would help.
I didn't see any help.
Speaking of chimp on poodle, blair left town empty handed. he wanted a special presidential middle east representative, an international conference and a deadline for a palestinian state. bush screwed him over.
It was weird to watch US commentators say inane things like 'Bush is now the senior partner... Bush was eloquent...' when the news conference showed an increasingly... well, scary and delusional Simius Augustus.
And I doubt that PoodleBlair will live down being called 'Terry' by the Chimperor.
We opened our newspaper this morning, and there was a local boy dead in Iraq. I hate Bush. What planet does he live on? We tried to take back "our" country Nov 2, but I think Bush arranged that too! Now that he has been re-elected, couldn't he shut the hell up, about how well things are going in Iraq?
"I fear that more and more career people at CIA will leave and there will be a Gossian neo-con takeover of the CIA. It will be a true politicized shop."
Welcome to the makings of the KGOP.
I really can't believe this. We've found one (count 'em) one weapons cache, a little less than a year ago, buried in the plot adjacent to a mosque in Baghdad.
So our president goes on the air and tells people, one year later, that we're in Falluja "clearing mosques of weapons caches," as if this were a regular event and that mosques are, as a rule, chock full of weapons. Not only is this extremely misleading, but Americans already think Muslims are wicked enough (thanks largely to this guy's regular conflation of Iraq and al-Qaeda). In the end, you get hysterical Americans firebombing mosques or beating Puerto Ricans up because they think they're Muslim terrorists, thanks to this kind of lying.
The president shouldn't be attempting to delude us any more. He has done a good enough job of it already and should give it a break.
How can y'all listen to Bush's shit week after week? That's what it is ~ shit, and more of the same. I chose to listen to Click and Clack's Car Talk on NPR about the time the smirking chimp came on the air. At least they're funny.
All I can say is it is gonna be a long four years ~ and four more pathetic State of the Union addresses. I will not listen. And I'm one of those weirdos who loves a good State of the Union address!
Alice Marshall -- brilliant. The only response to every bulleted item there is ROTFLMAO.
Thought they might have some neat clips from Fallujah but didn't see any.
OT: Palestine...
Basically Bush told the Palestinians to put Mahmood Abbas in the driver's seat. Except that they are going to slate Marwan Bargouti, now in an Israeli dungeon, for President.
FIDELIO!
OT,
Don't forget to watch Frontline, Tuesday, November 16.
Is WalMart good for America?
Blair is done for, bye bye.
He must have some sort of twisted big picture he gasps for dear life. Otherwise I would expect him to say, "screw you" America. But ever the whipping boy, he'll do whatever it takes to keep the family together.
Ever notice that people who associate themselves with the Bush family ends up being screwed?
If Labour takes a big dent in its majority in next year's elections -- the most likely outcome -- then it'll free up plenty of the backbenchers to go into open revolt. The big reason why many Labour MPs stay tight-lipped is that ousting Blair might be bad for their own jobs, and as the saying goes, turkeys don't vote for Christmas.
A lot of the Blair loyalist who weren't parachuted into safe seats have fairly slender majorities. They don't do dissent, and they fear for their jobs. Many will lose them. The 'old Labour' types, though, who have cast-iron, working-class (and for many, ethnically-diverse) constituencies will be empowered by having the lickspittle Blairites kicked out. If Blair isn't planning to use the 2005 conference (October) to announce he's stepping down, then he should expect a challenge then.
I'd be intrigued at how the many Pakistani immigrants in my home town (and their UK-born kids) will vote next year. They're mostly hardcore Labour, and if the current MP retires, there could be a real upheaval.
You people just don't get it-- I call the Whorenerable Mr Bleer "Terry" because it's my *style* to hang those endearing nicknames on people. Sheesh.
Of course, I make him call Me "Mr President Sir"-- but I don't make him get on his knees or anything like that.
Sigh: Hersh
via buzzflash:
"One story the press doesn't touch is this criminal -- this straw man that's been put in -- Allawi, this ridiculous figure that we've installed as the prime minister," Hersh said. "To keep him in power, we've exponentially increased the bombing. ...
"The bombing of Iraq has gone up extraordinarily, by huge numbers. It's now a daily occurrence, around-the-clock on some occasions. Some of the carriers but much of it done by the Air Force from Doha. We don't know where. We don't know how many. We don't know, and nobody's asking and nobody wants to know, how many sorties a day? How much tonnage? We used to get all of these numbers. But we have no idea if they're dropping X-thousand. We don't know how much ordinance is being dropped on a country we're trying to save."
http://www.editorandpublisher.co...com/eandp/news/
article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000717958
Nothing changes until the media is held accountable.
Is WalMart good for America?
Central Scrutinizer
of course it is!
as it says in the Ten Commandments:
1. Though Shalt Worship Pre-Born Babies above all other things.
2. Remember: WalMart Always Has The Lowest Prices.
Always!
What is it with Republicans and radio microphones? Park 'em at a desk, tell 'em it's live, and they automatically start lying. Bush, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, all of 'em. There's pathology here, I'm tellin' ya.
It's because they hide behind a mic. They are cowards.
GIs on the Fallujah front lines:
"We're fighting something that we'll never win, because we can clear out an area and some more guys will just slip in from somewhere else," Staff Sgt. Loggins said. "We can win -- we just have to blow the hell out of Fallujah and level the place."
A man on a bicycle crossed the road; a crew shot him down, acting on reports that bicyclists were used as messengers.
The battle continued for much of the day. By last night, Lt. Gregory said, the troops had shot gaping holes in every building within an area about 550 square yards. "We pretty much destroyed that part of the city," he said.
I feel a draft coming on. There is no way we can continue to fight the 'War on Terra' at current sustainable troop levels. The Bushies have painted themself into a corner in Iraq and only a military draft to increase troop strength will save them. I hope none of those fine young RNC attendants I met at my local polling station do not get called up.
And how does one hold the media accountable?
The Problem With Bullets
Eric Anderson
It’s hard to hit a man with something so small;
it doesn’t seem fair. I’m trying
to make a better bullet. First of all,
I’ve made them bigger, the size of fists,
which is also the size of the human heart.
The bullet should be as big as the target,
which is why I’m making even bigger bullets,
the size of coffins, and during their flight
the bullets spring open, so they can
swallow a man whole. Just in case I miss,
I’ve put attractions in the bullets to lure
the targets inside: widescreen televisions,
free T-shirts, four star meals, football stadiums.
Don’t ask how, the process is complicated,
and patented. I’m going to be rich.
I’ve put windows in my bullets so I can
make sure I don’t hit the wrong people;
I hate to miss. I’m working on bullets
the size of neighborhoods
and cities, continents; I’ll have a bullet
as big as the world by the end of the year.
The gun, however, remains problematic.
I’m gong to need help with carrying
and the aiming, if you’re interested. We can
kill everybody, everywhere.
2. Remember: WalMart Always Has The Lowest Prices.
smarty jones
Bullshit. Check out their optical centers some time. Cheap frames, maybe (and they are some real garbage), but the lenses are right up there with, and sometimes more than, the competition. And in rural areas where there isn't much competition, they rape ya. Yeah, take that, you Heartlanders!
scrutinizer: thank you for the frontline heads-up. i can't watch PBS much anymore, except moyers now and then.
my favorite part from their teaser:
But while some economists credit Wal-Mart's single-minded focus on low costs with helping contain U.S. inflation, others charge that the company is the main force driving the massive overseas shift to China in the production of American consumer goods, resulting in hundreds of thousands of lost jobs and a lower standard of living here at home.
gee, ya think?
with every election, i know my standards are getting lower and lower. and not just "of living."
Speaking of PBS, I thought this looked interesting:
Secret History of the Credit Card
Tues., Nov. 23
The average American family today carries eight credit cards. Credit card debt and personal bankruptcies are now at an all time high. With no legal limit on the amount of interest or fees that can be charged, credit cards have become the most profitable sector of the American banking industry: more than $30 billion in profits last year alone. FRONTLINE and The New York Times examine how the credit card industry became so pervasive, so lucrative, and so politically powerful.
Doozer among Fraggles,
in a segment that i saw on the morning show, one of the reporters involved in this story
(this guy was from CNBC or something... does anyone know if they are collaborating with PBS on this, or are they airing a seperate WalMart program?)
commented that competitors sued WalMart for that misrepresentation, and they had to drop the Always.
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?
-Mahatma Gandhi
And how does one hold the media accountable?
gonzo
I think we can all start by linking to the buzzflash Allawi story on our respective blogs.
I don't listen to presidential radio addresses...but I do watch Iron Chef! Hideo Sakai can pluck, stuff, truss, fricasse and flambe a partrige like no other mortal. So fast the bird is unaware know he's dead and walks to your dinner plate a-flaming.
OT, but necessary.
The name stealer is up early this morning and has been posting as me, using my email and FirstDraft URL. I'm looking into what can be done about it in a very serious way.
But I wanted to let people know because the prick is bound to post offensive things with my name on them. I'm hoping y'all can tell the difference, but the stealer is getting better at it.
And how does one hold the media accountable?
gonzo
stop watching, perhaps?
Wapo frontpaged today a report on the turmoil at the CIA.
But this part of the report is quite amazing, even for wapo known for its deep sources at the CIA.
Porter Goss's assistant Murray's complaint was about the leaks. So the whole episode was leaked.
From today's wapo:
In one of those confrontations, on Nov. 5, Murray raised the issue of leaks with the associate deputy director of counterintelligence. Referring to previous media leaks regarding personnel, he said that if anything in the newly appointed executive director's personnel file made it into the media, the counterintelligence official "would be held responsible," according to one agency official and two former colleagues with knowledge of the conversation.
All three sources gave the following account:
The associate deputy director of counterintelligence, a highly respected case officer whose name is being withheld because she is undercover, told Michael Sulick, the associate deputy director of operations, about the threat. Sulick told his superior, Kappes, and both sought a meeting with Goss to complain.
Goss, Murray, Kappes and Sulick met to discuss the matter. After Goss left, Sulick "got in Murray's space," according to one of his associates whose account was corroborated by another. Murray then demanded that Kappes fire Sulick. Kappes refused, and told Goss that he would resign. Goss and other White House officials appealed to Kappes to delay his decision until Monday.
tena - that sucks. clearly a sign of success, though. take the good with the bad.
One doesn't. One only holds their advertisers accountable. Yhe advertisers, you see, have a motive, if only a base, commercial one, for not offending massive numbers of people. The Media are just that; they stand between the advertisers and our money, making their spiel,
Come on come on
Come on come on
Step right up
How do we do it
How do we do it
Volume! Volume!
Turn up the volume!
We need your business
We'll give you the business
Get on the business end
Of our Going Out Of Business Sale
Recieve our Free Brochure
And if they start to run off the rubes, the advertisers will straighten things out in a big hurry.
Wall Street might lend a hand, too.
words to live by - We're all wearing the electrodes now
I hope we have a draft, if that's what it takes to wake Americans up.
I don't think it will happen, because war-bloggers are basically cowards who like seeing other peoples kids die.
It makes me so happy to see CNN just mouth what the military tells them.
"Ah Yes, the military operations in the insurgent shit-hole of a town is just about done. We have avenged our honor in the name of FREEDOM, by eliminating the brown, mother-killing, satan-worshipping terrorists. Now we shall level ANY city who gets uppity. Fuckers."
or something like that...
Oh yeah, saw an image last night on CNN of Iraqi military people raising a flag, ala Iwo Jima, in the center of Fallujah. I am so proud.
MoCO and Carter on CSPAN 2
I mean MoDo
Jim LA - Well, I'm doing something right, apparently, or I wouldn't get all this constant attention.
Carter just said "We're Fucked"
on CSPAN 2 in relation to Iraq
CNN is doing a story about overcovering the Laci Peterson story.
Let me off this merry-go-round
if there is a draft, that kid of Giuliani better be the first one called up.
meanwhile, in Iraq, we are mandating the terminology used by journalists to describe the U.S.-led offensive in Fallouja
The commission statement bore the letterhead of the Iraqi prime minister's office.
It said all media organizations operating in Iraq should "differentiate between the innocent Fallouja residents who are not targeted by military operations and terrorist groups that infiltrated the city and held its people hostage under the pretext of resistance and jihad."
It said news organizations should "guide correspondents in Fallouja … not to promote unrealistic positions or project nationalist tags on terrorist gangs of criminals and killers."
It also asked media to "set aside space in your news coverage to make the position of the Iraqi government, which expresses the aspirations of most Iraqis, clear."
"We hope you comply … otherwise we regret we will be forced to take all the legal measures to guarantee higher national interests," the statement said. It did not elaborate.
Where the hell are we supposed to get accurate news on what's going on over there if our own media is bound to advance the official government version of events?
Winning hearts and minds, bitches!
Mo Dowd is looking the part of the "hussie" on CSPAN 2
I say send all the grown-up child TV stars!
Give 'em a purpose in life.
CNN is doing a story about overcovering the Laci Peterson story.
Let me off this merry-go-round
Meta-journalism. Next up: "Did we go one too far in asking if we overcovered the Peterson trial?"
"We pretty much destroyed that part of the city," he said."
According to the Potter Barn theory, were going to have to gfix that too. Sounds like a job for KB homes. Course we do that, god help those poor souls on their home warranties
Live Free or Die,
Thanks for the heads up.
Tena,
It's almost always easy to tell when it's not you. Most of us are aware of your stalker(s), and keep an eye out for that kind of crap.
Tena,
in every case of namestealing in your name that I have seen, one of us has had your back pretty quickly.
As annoying as it is, you should be flattered that you threaten them so.
Bush's Rosy Fallujah:
12-Nov-2004
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
11-Nov-2004 8
US Lance Corporal Justin D. Reppuhn
US Corporal Peter J. Giannopoulos
US Corporal Theodore A. Bowling
US Specialist Thomas K. Doerflinger
US Staff Sergeant Theodore S. Holder II
US 2nd Lieutenant James P. Blecksmith
US Lance Corporal Kyle W. Burns
US Staff Sergeant Sean P. Huey
10-Nov-2004
US 1st Lieutenant Dan T. Malcom Jr.
US Lance Corporal Erick J. Hodges US Staff Sergeant Gene Ramirez
US Lance Corporal Aaron C. Pickering
US Private 1st Class Dennis J. Miller Jr.
US Corporal Romulo J. Jimenez II US Staff Sergeant Michael C. Ottolini
US Petty Officer 3rd Class Julian Woods
09-Nov-2004
US Major Horst Gerhard "Gary" Moore
US Command Sergeant Major Steven W. Faulkenburg
US Lance Corporal Juan E. Segura US Corporal William C. James
US Staff Sergeant Todd R. Cornell
US Sergeant Lonny D. Wells
US Sergeant John B. Trotter
US Master Sergeant Steven E. Auchman
US Staff Sergeant Russell L. Slay US Lance Corporal Abraham Simpson US Specialist Travis A. Babbitt
US Lance Corporal Nicholas D. Larson
US Lance Corporal Nathan R. Wood US Sergeant David M. Caruso
08-Nov-2004
US Corporal Nathaniel T. Hammond US Lance Corporal Shane K. O'Donnell
US Lance Corporal Branden P. Ramey US Staff Sergeant David G. Ries
US Specialist Don A. Clary
US Lance Corporal Jeffrey Lam
US Corporal Joshua D. Palmer
US Corporal Robert P. Warns II
US Lance Corporal Thomas J. Zapp US Staff Sergeant Clinton Lee Wisdom
US Specialist Bryan L. Freeman
UK Private Pita Tukutukuwaqa
07-Nov-2004
US Lance Corporal Sean M. Langley US Specialist Quoc Binh Tran
US Specialist Brian K. Baker
06-Nov-2004
US Private Justin R. Yoemans
05-Nov-2004
US Sergeant Carlos M. Camacho-Rivera
04-Nov-2004
US Lance Corporal Jared P. Hubbard US Corporal Jeremiah A. Baro
US Specialist Cody L. Wentz
UK Sergeant Stuart Robert Gray
UK Private Paul Aitken Lowe
UK Private Scott William McArdle
03-Nov-2004
US Sergeant Charles Joseph Webb
The name stealer is up early this morning and has been posting as me, using my email and FirstDraft URL
Saw some of this yesterday, with a different poster. Stealing a handle is one thing, as most handles are fake (though Tena's is not), but email addresses and homepage links might--and should--be another kettle of fish. Maybe if we Mitnick a few of these immature Cheezy Poof addicts, the rest will get the message.
Not holdin' my breath, or anything, but we can hope...
dieselcreek - Well, that is downright funny. They are covering the coverage.
Can we get more self-referential? Can it get any more absurd? Oh, yes, it can and it will. Pretty soon there will be a broadcasting network solely to cover the coverage and the talking heads will be just like the models who are all known now by name and are celebrities who overshadow their entire raison d'etre, which used to be to make the clothes look good and which is now secondary to the entire process.
Spirals within spirals.
Doozer - I have a whole string of IPs. I know where the person is. I am taking steps.
OT- another cabinet shakeup. Rod "The NEA is a terrorist organization" Paige is stepping down as Secretary of Education. Look for White House insider Margaret Spellings to replace him.
Uhhh...uhhh...uhhhhhh...
I'm doubting my mental competence here. As a favor, could one of you, perhaps, peruse this opinion piece from my local paper, and tell me whether or not it's real, or if I'm just hallucinating? Advance warning: it's titled (or at least it is according to my own suspect senses), "If we are in a holy war, only the evangelical Protestants can win it," and it's written by...a rabbi from a local temple.
I think my drinking water is defective...
Carter made a good point-" Repubs were playing chess, while Dems were playing chess" MoDo is now speaking.
"And how does one hold the media accountable?"
Being the silent majority doesn't work. Let them know you are paying attention.
If you see/hear/watch something that you know is one sided/incorrect/misleading/just not right let them know. Make yourself heard.
Media Matters has great articles and links to contacts. A. is too fair and balanced to post them here. Also, make sure your local media hears from you.
http://mediamatters.org/
Tena -- the real one, I hope.
Would you like me to send you the Granny's Oatmeal Raison d'Etre cookies recipe? They're super yum.
I cant see MoDo's eyes-she's got hte THK haircut
Well, that is downright funny. They are covering the coverage.
ever watch CNN's Reliable Sources? it's stomach-turningly bad. A weekly circle jerk in which journalists defend their righteousness in all cases, even if it's at the expense of a bogus war, the outing of a CIA agent, or reelection of the president. Of course, that is unless someone gets caught making shit up, then they devour their own.
Thanks guys, I know I can trust y'all and I do appreciate it.
I don't know what the obsession with me is about. It's weird.
thanx hadenough. I know all that. I was thinking something along the lines of insurrection in the streets or something.
I hope MediaMatters doesn't fade away after the election. They do great work and are finally starting to get picked up (or picked on) by some of the cable talking heads. When O'Reilly bad-mouths you, you've arrived, baby.
According to the Potter Barn theory, were going to have to gfix that too.
Well, we gfucked it up, din' we?
And oh, what this is gonna do to the price of plywood...again.
Listen, when they say Fascism is more accurately Corporatism, they aint kidding. Bushco screws up everything they set their beady little eyes on, WE pay to gfix it, and everybody loses...except the Corporations. Notably the ones with Repelliphant connections.
"Is it possible that in the 21st century, America is fighting its own protestant Crusade against a Moslem Jihad?"
Yep, the patriarchal religions have to have it out, you know. The ultimate game of capture the hill.
All us agnostics want off the haywagon. God damn it.
Of course, that is unless someone gets caught making shit up, then they devour their own.
dirtgirl
Only the Black jellybeans are edible.
BGK,
oh my god... that is perhaps the most horrific op-ed I have ever read in my life!
...calling the attention of ATRIOS!!!!! 5-Alarm WINGNUT LOOSE IN TEXAS ALERT...
Carter just said "We're Fucked"
on CSPAN 2 in relation to Iraq
President Jimmy Carter said, "We're fucked"????
dirtgirl - I never watch CNN. I mean never. I never watch Fux News, either. It's a waste of time.
But for some time there has been a growing realization with some that the entire media circus has gone nuts.
We used to have a really good culture writer for the Dallas paper who wrote about this phenomenon of the media covering the media. It's been going on for awhile and is getting worse.
I don't know what the obsession with me is about.
Tena,
Strong, smart, outspoken women strike fear in the hearts of males with small penises.
smarty,
i'm pretty sure it's florida. america's wang.
From Scott Ritter, "Squeezing Jello in Iraq":
"Far from facing off in a decisive battle against the resistance fighters, it seems the more Americans squeeze Falluja, the more the violence explodes elsewhere. It is exercises in futility, akin to squeezing jello. The more you try to get a grasp on the problem, the more it slips through your fingers."
He recognized the irony of his own coverage of the media covering the media. It was one of the reasons I really liked the guy. I miss him - he was way too smart for the Dallas Morning News.
i love smart, quick witted women. BIG turn-on
President Jimmy Carter said, "We're fucked"????
It was Graydon Carter, who was quoting a British intelligence officer.
does this mean I can start sending kites to the still alive, non-insurgent law-abiding children yet?.........how many kites needed? one, maybe two?
I don't know what the obsession with me is about.
Tena,
Strong, smart, outspoken women strike fear in the hearts of males with small penises.
You give them too much credit. They must be thinking: "She spells her name with a goddamned E!"
Central - just general overall impotence will do that, too.
"President Bush on Saturday painted a rosy picture[...]"
Oh and just after this:
Reuters - President Bush warned on Saturday that guerrilla violence in Iraq could worsen, even as U.S. forces battled to stamp out resistance in the insurgent stronghold of Falluja.
You have to laugh!
5-Alarm WINGNUT LOOSE IN TEXAS
'cepting the editiorial was in the Ft. Myers, Florida, News-Press. While this is a red-red part of a red state, the "gimme my money" tax-cuts-at-all costs Repubs outnumber the evangelicals about 3:1. Outcome's the same, I guess.
"For most of its history, Christianity and conquest were virtually synonymous, and while its bloody excesses were at the time appalling, to say the least, there is simply no denying that no more effective army exists than legions of Christian holy warriors. Let's drop the charade and turn them loose. Either that or we surrender and submit.
— Rabbi Bruce Diamond is from Temple Beth El in Fort Myers."
This rabbi not only has been OD'ing on the Kool-Aid, he's now trying to serve it up with a straight face. How the FUCK do you get this fucked up in the year 2004? How the FUCK can we, as thinking human beings let this happen?
Crusades? Conversions? Holy Warriors? Conquest?
I'd gladly take Mars Bitch! than holy warriors.
I'm gonna go buy me some more guns to better protect myself when the evangelicals start attacking the "non-believers.
oops, dirtgirl...
thought this nutjob "Rabbi" was from Fort Worth...
sorry Texas!
We used to have a really good culture writer for the Dallas paper who wrote about this phenomenon of the media covering the media
-Tena
seriously, is there a word for meta-meta?
I guess big media pretending to cover its own media coverage makes up for the fact that they never cover the other, much more harmful business practices of their parent companies.
Secret History of the Credit Card
And now, with interest rates going up, holding onto credit card debt is an even worse idea than ever before. We just don't need all that crap that we buy with credit cards. I'm no economist, but I refuse to carry credit card debt and wish more people would do the same.
Tena (the real one; Fake Tena, you can go fuck your--oh, I see you are. Well, carry on, and don't mind us...) If anything can be done, and becomes a matter of the public Court Records, I assume the pertinenet poop will be posted here for all Cheezy Poofters to take note? Any legal problems widdat?
Speaking about covering the media, this week's New Yorker had a very good article about Le Monde and its role in France. More good quotes than I can fit in HaloScan, but if you get a chance to read it you definitely should.
I'm no economist, but I refuse to carry credit card debt and wish more people would do the same.
And yet, it's the future of all transactions. I wouldn't be surprised if cash became obsolete by the middle of the century.
Strike that, even cards will be obsolete. The future of transactions will be entirely electronic.
I'm getting depressed. No good news anywhere on the planet it seems.
BKG I did not read that editorial but there is an unholy holy alliance between fundamentalists which was implemented as a strategy during the Reagan years.
Maybe 4-legs can attest to this, but Begin was to come Dallas for a fundy tape burning of immoral pop songs and lyrics back in the '80s. (I remember Ozzy Osborne tunes as one of the targets).
Anyway, I suspect that some of the billions going to Israel is recycled back here to the fundies with characters like Michael Ledeen running the ops. Those fundies should be in nowhereville instead they're flush with cash? How is this possible?
Like Nixon's southern strategy, the Bible Belt represented a block of voters and sympathetic Likud-lovers and they have been preyed upon primed with what they need--faith and dollars. It just feels like a bigtime gangster operation.
geor3ge - Gee, I can't imagine why the way my name is spelled (it wasn't my decision - whoever is concerned is more than welcome to go visit my parents' graves and talk to them about it) would upset anyone so damned much.
Shit, I've been seeing the religious crap coming for years. It's a huge snowball rolling down the mountain.
What I always wondered was how religion was going to get government involved. 9/11 happened...
Then all signs pointed WWIII. Fuck.
Simplistic, I know. But I can feel it.
I'm getting depressed. No good news anywhere on the planet it seems.
Go play with Dancin' Bubs. You'll feel better.
What's the line "clearing mosques of weapons" all about?
We've probably leveled one or two and need an excuse.
The war in Eurasia is going splendidly today. Double plus good.
geor3ge - Gee, I can't imagine why the way my name is spelled (it wasn't my decision - whoever is concerned is more than welcome to go visit my parents' graves and talk to them about it) would upset anyone so damned much.
Tena |
Who knows what sets them off anyway, eh?
Hecate - which New Yorker? The date I mean. I'll watch for it. Sometimes I get mine on Friday - not this week. Sometimes on Saturday. Sometimes I get two weeks' worth on a random Tuesday.
The mail service here really sucks.
Tena,
At least they get there. Atlantic Monthly shows up for me only once every 3 months or so.
Tena,
It's the Nov. 15th New Yorker. The article on Le Monde is excellent.
One interesting quote:
[Following the American election, Le Monde wrote an editorial that] conceded the 'incredible dynamism' of the American model and saw it as a challenge to Europe -- not least to increase its defense expeditures, so tht future arguments about wars, right and wrong, would be conducted on a more equal basis.
How I explain it to my ex-patriot friends:
We said: We are going to take our country back today, right?
They said: Huh . . . . . ?
We said: Yeah, they stole our democracy from us, hijacked it, stealth-bombed it, but we’re takin’ it back today, this very day, this red-hot minute.
They said: Wuh . . . . . . ?
We said: This time we say NO to stupid’s warren terra, NO to the environmental raping, NO to the secrets & lies !
They said: Support the. . . . troops . . . . support . . . the . . (batteries running out)
We said: Hey, here’s our opportunity for a new start, new ideas, new Cabinet, they ALL must go! Today, we’re gonna do it !
They said: (fresh batteries) NO FAGGOTS !
We said: Huh . . . ? Wait, now you’re startin’ to scare us . . . Listen, it’s the incompetence, stupid; it’s the greed, stupid;it’s Porter Goss ‘n’ the Supremes; it’s what stupid did to the economy, stupid! It’s YOUR jobs, you MORONS!
They said: LESS FAGGOTS, MORE JESUS !!
We said: Wuh . . . . ? Oh, no . . . . say it ain’t soooo . . .(batteries running out) . . aw, no . . . . jeee-sus . . . .
(Not planning to replace batteries anytime soon)
A couple of funny things about that crazed op-ed from the "rabbi":
he mentions that Constatine converted to Christianity as the barbarians closed in... actually, he had his vision of the cross as he fought a Roman contender.
Anyway, the rabbi misses the point that the Roman Empire died out - and Rome became deserted - not long after its conversion to christianity, so I don't now what the hell he is going on for about how good warriors christians make.
Second, the jews suffered miserably during the crusades that actually reached the holy land... for the crusaders there was nothing quite like drinking some Arab blood served up with a nice portion of Christ Killers!
Idiots like this asshole "rabbi" need some serious reflection.
Tena you are going to get nowhere with the ip addresses...they can be spoofed or unreliable. atrios one banned me by mistake-i guess he relied on the ip addies. people who have fast internet at home likely have dynamic ip addresses.
What would it do to the economy if the Center-left threw away their TVs and didn't buy new ones? Or, better yet, put 'em all on ebay, so everyone would know? Cable and Network public affairs programming oriented to people with both hearts and brains--which includes lots of moderate repiblicans, to be sure--could stream their content online, and we wouldn't need the rest of that crap anyway. Or the adxertisers thereto.
Riverbend gives the proper response to bush's address. Outrage at the "genocide" of bush, all US enablers homeboy lackey Allawi, and the silence of Sistani.
And yet, it's the future of all transactions
Credit cards may be the future of all transactions, but not credit card debt. I buy stuff w/ a credit card, too, but I pay it all off at the end of the month. I know how difficult it can be, especially in this consumer-driven society, to not run up credit card debt, but reall, most of what people buy w/ credit cards isn't an emergency car repair or a new water heater -- it's drek from WalMart.
kathy - yeah, thanks for pointing that out. However, there are at least 2 people who comment here who know where the person is - that is something that has been known for awhile.
They've contacted me, more than once.
Don't you liberal hacks know that freedom is on the march!? Everything Dubya says is truly unfalsifiable:
(1) If there is less violence in Iraq, we are winning. If there is more violence in Iraq, it shows the terrists are desperate and we are winning.
(2) If we have a budget surplus, we need tax relief. If we have a budget deficit, we need to stimulate the economy = tax relief.
Isn't it time we bowed before our leader and his clear mandate, just like the SCLM? Damn you activist citizens! Don't you know you're in the minority by a decisive one percent!?
/Words speak louder than truth
Like Nixon's southern strategy, the Bible Belt represented a block of voters and sympathetic Likud-lovers and they have been preyed upon primed with what they need--faith and dollars. It just feels like a bigtime gangster operation.
kathy
Yeah, and different gay organizations call me each week almost begging for money to try to fight back against them. It's a losing battle on our side. We just don't have their kind of money which sadly comes from all our tax contributions.
On civilian casualties in Fallujah:
The BBC just had a blurb on of Allawi, addressing the Italian troops in the South.
He said they have successfully completed the campaign in Falloujah, rid the area of terrorists and foreign fighters and that there were no civilian casualties. He actually said, NO civilian casualties.
Some one just asked MoDo why she hated Clinton. She seemed taken aback.
The batteries will be the democracy of Jefferson.
The independence of the individual. The self-reliance of the community. The connection of a country based on the small business.
I don't mean this in a repub. way. I mean we have to start getting GIANT corporations under control. NO MORE PERSONHOOD for non-humans!
most of what people buy w/ credit cards isn't an emergency car repair or a new water heater -- it's drek from WalMart.
Something else going underreported is the Check 21 law that went into effect at the end of October. Basically, a check is now a debit transaction that will clear within 24 hours. No more "floating" checks until payday. And it's no coincidence it went into effect at the start of holiday shopping season. Banks stand to make a killing on NSF charges.
Who fed Kool-Aid to the rabbi? That was weird. It can only be a matter of politics making strange bedfellows - I guess the good rabbi believes that as long as someone is going after the Muslims, it is a good thing.
I can't believe that people who have been persecuted themselves for millenia can't see what a truly slippery slope it is.
This article was in the LA Times 11-12. I guess we will soon find out if Bush will allow Robertson, Dobson and Falwell to run the country, now that they got him elected. I have seen a number of articles the past few days saying this exact same thing. The Evangelicals believe Bush owes them "big time" and they want to collect. Either we are all in trouble, if Bush allows this, or Bush is in trouble if he doesn't. What a wicked web we weave etc.
http://www.latimes.com/news/poli...-home-
headlines
maybe this "rabbi" was the same guy who blew the ram's horn for that prick Moon!
Idiots like this asshole "rabbi" need some serious reflection.
OK, I searched for "Bruce Diamond" in the paper's archives, and the excerpts that search turns up (most are within that paid-archive period, thus only fragements are available) seem to be of a distinctly different tone. Most notable was one that takes the U.S. to task for "imperialist" tedencies, and another that attempts to rationalize the insurgency in Iraq as the almost-predictable, and natural, result of a foreign invasion. There's also a third in which he criticizes boaters for their lawsuits against manatee protection zones in local waterways, which generated quite a bit of wingnuttery hereabouts.
I wonder if the rabbi isn't pulling some elaborate goof on the evangelicals. The rhetoric does seem a little too overheated to be serious.
I can't believe that people who have been persecuted themselves for millenia can't see what a truly slippery slope it is.
Tena,
I have the same reaction, but it never seems to fail. Many of the African Americans I know at work were delighted that the no-gay-marriage amendments passed. Their churches, now supported by faith-based govt. funding, have been preaching it at them for months. White women, who ought to understand something about being oppressed, slapped W stickers on their big SUVs and drove off to the grocer store. I just don't get it.
geor3ge,
That is disturbing! Thanks for the info. I don't carry credit cards anymore. All cash all the time. But I'll let friends and family know.
cheers
kathy: IP addresses are a matter of permanent record with the ISP involved. Yes, they can be spoofed, but that's probably a few skill-levels above the average NST hereabouts.
Your IP may be dynamic, but whatever one you have at any given time, down to the microsecond, is in the log your ISP has to keep. There are exceptions, of course, and chained proxies I'm told will work, but only if there are no logs kept.How could they catch Mitnick, and the black-hats who write the viruses, if Internet Anonymity was really possible? If there are logs, and mostly there are, the FBI will get you sooner or later.
OK, Mitnick was caught in realtime by some good work at the ISP. Netscape, I think. The rest still applies, I'm sure.
Christians were persecuting Jews and gays for thousands of years. They've pretty much slacked off the Jews for now but they're still going full-bore on gays.
geor3ge,
good point about the new check 21 program. and it hurts poor people most. just like bankruptcy reform, payday loan operations, ATM fees and all the other new creative ways banks are finding to make money.
Doozer - thank you. It helps to make my point - I am not just letting this ride.
Hecate - you're right, of course. Once people think that they are not a target, when they have been in the past, I think it gives them a false sense of power to turn around and attack the target that isn't them. If that makes any sense at all.
But I almost read that piece as totally ironic, myself. Strange times.
"or the results are somehow inconclusive."
Remember, in 2000 the Supreme Court decreed that you can not determine who wins an election by actually counting the votes. Now we use proprietary technology that is owned by the smirking chimp's biggest supporter and the voters intent does not even need to be documented. The repugs believe that the key to winning is suppressing voters. Our elections are now "inconclusive" because they are not transparent. Why should we expect anything more from Iraq?
geor3ge,
Yes, I imagine quite a few folks are in for a suprise concerning the new check laws. We'd all be so much better off if we quit buying most of the junk we buy. I do think that hard times are coming with probably a mixuture of inflation and stagnation, just like back in the stagflation days of Carter's time. Those who have no debt are going to be better off, I think, than those who are trying to sell their stuff on ebay at increasingly low prices. I collect vintage Hermes scarves and occassionally check out ebay to see if there are any for sale. The prices have been dropping for weeks and there's a glut of new designs on the market. I can only figure that it's over-extended nouveau riche soccer moms selling off in order to pay their higher credit card bills.
Is it too soon to start saying quagmire?
"...their record on women doesn't overwhelm me, but even I know that it has factions that advocate peace."
It all depends on the culture. Some Islamic cultures are matriarchal and others are neutral. Tribal cultures tend to be more pro woman. Forget about how Islam is portrayed in the media, it's all local.
As far as credit cards are concerned, I have exactly 3 of them, and 1 is a gas card. I only use those 3 and we pay them every month without fail, including the Visa which is a death trap if not paid monthly.
We are the credit customers that used to be beloved because we pay our bills. Now they prefer customers who don't pay at the end of the month. It's sick. This society is sick.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 1:35 pm | #
Good post.
Doozer - I have a whole string of IPs. I know where the person is. I am taking steps.
Never fuck with a lawyer.
good info on Check 21 from Consumers Union.
It's scary, scary shit. another payoff to big business:
You won't be able to get your original paper checks back
Checks you write will clear sooner, increasing the risk that a check will bounce
You may not get access to the funds from checks you deposit any sooner, because the new law does not shorten check hold times
Banks will save money on processing checks, but banks are not required to share these savings with consumers
Different kinds of copies of a check will have different rights attached. Check 21 creates a new kind of paper copy of an electronic image of a check. This special kind of copy is called a "substitute check." Only a substitute check can be the legal equivalent of the original check, and only a substitute check triggers your right to recredit of disputed funds
A bank other than your bank will have your original check, and will decide whether to destroy it
Consumers will get new rights for some electronically processed checks, but not for others
Consumers who want to maximize their consumer rights should ask for return of "substitute checks" with their checking account statements
Only the special "substitute check" can be legally equivalent to the original check to prove payment
Someone needs to tell that rabbi Kool-Aid is not kosher. No, Kool-Aid is Treif.
Tribal cultures tend to be more pro woman
wolfman,
That's interesting; do you have a link or reference I could check out? I'd assumed that tribal cultures tended to be more conservative, but I admit I really am not nearly as educated as I should be. Maybe a good new year's resolution for me would be to learn lots more about Islam.
Tena,
You should check out Dave Ramsey at www.daveramsey.com. He has a refreshing perspective on credit cards: CUT 'EM UP! Seriously, I think you'll find his advice very interesting.
geor3ge,
Yes, I imagine quite a few folks are in for a suprise concerning the new check laws.
Full disclosure: I just started telemarketing for a merchant system company that sells check conversion/guarantee systems to small businesses, which is how I found out about the law. The cognitive dissonance between making a modest commission and knowing low-income people (like me) are getting screwed in the process makes me hope I get more musical work reall goddamn soon.
Hmmm...more overanalyzing:
...McKinley, who initially had trouble finding his newest possession on the map, similarly justified the American occupation of the Philippines as "bringing Christianity to the Filipinos and freeing them from heathen Spain."
No doubt President McKinley knew that Spain had been a Christian country 1,000 years before the discovery of the New World, and the Christian missionaries had been active in the Philippines two centuries before the founding of the United States.
Seems, on further consideration, a little too cheeky of a way to start an opinion piece advocating protestant jihad, considering the average likely reader is going to be wholly deaf to rhetorical nuance.
For most of its history, Christianity and conquest were virtually synonymous, and while its bloody excesses were at the time appalling, to say the least, there is simply no denying that no more effective army exists than legions of Christian holy warriors. Let's drop the charade and turn them loose. Either that or we surrender and submit.
The first sentence seems, on further reflection, almost like backhanded mockery: sure they were bloody-minded savages, but they sure could kick some Islamic buttocks! Then there's "[e]ither that or we surrender and submit." Perhaphs the rabbi is suggesting that we let the perfervid evangelicals burn themselves out on war, lest we have to submit to them. Hmmm...
I envision Dr. Strangelove and the boys sitting in their underground bunker broadcasting weekly messages of progress to the surface world in order to spike the moral of the irradiated masses (well, maybe not masses).
Hey, you can only spend so much time impregnating the breeding stock before you have to get up and govern.
Based on this article, the troops in Fallujah just don't seem to share Bush's rosy perspective. The sand, heat, exhaustion, never-ending stress, and non-stop adrenaline rush must be clouding their judgement...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...elentlesscombat
Well, I'm sick of bitching about the shit. I want solutions. Are there any solutions? If not, then what is the solution to that?
Is it too soon to start saying quagmire?
No, man, I'll give you quagmire. It's Perfect Storm I'm worried about.
Hecate - I've pulled way back from any extraneous buying since the election. We are scaling everything back, even though we're doing fine.
I have no desire to buy any more crap right now. I've cut back on everything. It's not that hard, either. We already have more than we can rightfully use and enough is enough. I am not going to continue to support this stupid, dehumanizing consumerism.
"That's interesting; do you have a link or reference I could check out?"
Hecate, check out the Berbers of the Middle Atlas Mountains of Morocco and the Tuaregs of the Sahara. Those girls have got power in their cultures....
It appears that the good rebbi Diamond has forgotten that at least a couple of times when Christian warriors have been unleashed, wittingly or not, they accounted for more than a handful of Jews along with whatsoever else they were intend on destroying...
history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme...
Tena,
Me too. I have more than enough stuff and I'm not in a big hurry to support what's going on. The last time I moved, I threw away so much stuff and I promised myself that I'd only buy really good, quality things and damn few of those. It's part of what I don't like about Xmas -- this notion that we should all go out and buy something -- anything -- to give to everyone and his brother. How many Xmas presents do people really keep and cherish and how many eventually wind up thrown out or broken? It stresses us and we overspend on crap and then we wonder why we aren't happy happy happy like the people in the tv commercials. ugh!
Incog...
as my h.s. chem teacher (a Christian Brother who hung around the boy's bathroom, checking for 'addiction' which he claimed he could detect in the smell of boys' urine) usta say: If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the precipitate...
Americans have been taught for so long they're nothing more than consumer-bots, now we've lost our republic and few can even comprehend that or care.
Berbers of the Middle Atlas Mountains of Morocco and the Tuaregs of the Sahara.
Thanks, wolfman, I definitely need to educate myself.
Consumer-bots don't revolt or take matters in their own hands, they are told to shop.
CNN Breaking News: Cheney going to hospital with "shortness of breath"
Cheney's in the hospital with chest tightness and shortness of breath.
everytime bush starts spouting off this garbage about 'major progress'... in your head just ask yourself: "when are you gonna send jenna and barb for a vacation in Mosul?"
what a whitening piece of shit bush is.
Shit, does this mean Bush gets to play preznit?
history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme...
I like that, good stuff.
CNN Breaking News: Cheney going to hospital with "shortness of breath"
Now why am I not surprised? Paging Mr. McCain, paging Mr. McCain. Please come to aisle 4 to pick up your promised reward. Paging Mr. McCain.
Talk about a gopher hole!
Cheney going to hospital with "shortness of breath"
Blackness of heart, you mean?
I'm sure the fundies will blame it on 'teh gay'.
Cheney in the hospital? Hope there are no lesbian doctors there.
If I hadn't bought half the crap I have now, I could afford my own piano.
Isn't Cheney ALWAYS short of breath. I mean, he's a fat X-smoker. Come on.
Hecate,
I'm with you on xmas. I cannot get my family to grasp this fact, but I don't need more crap. And, frankly, I don't want to go to mass retailers and buy Chinese-made crap for them. I get so stressed out every year, and then spend twice the amount I spent on gifts on last-minute shipping services. It completely sucks.
Who's manning the puppet today?
Anyone know what hospital?
Based on this article, the troops in Fallujah just don't seem to share Bush's rosy perspective. The sand, heat, exhaustion, never-ending stress, and non-stop adrenaline rush must be clouding their judgement...
what a bunch of fucking cowards. why do people who actually fight in a war as opposed to being to cowardly to and sitting home cheerleading it hate america?
Hecate - Bush demands total loyalty. I don't think he'd appoint McCain to anything.
Frankly, when we were raising kids, paying the mortgage, and me trying to go to school, we could not have survived without credit cards. My favorite bit of chicanery - the corporatists pigs put everyone on a 25 day billing cycle,knowing full well the vast majority of people pay their bills once a month when the mortgage/rent is due. They deliberately made a klling on late fees.
Years ago, it was difficult to get credit cards without a good credit rating. Now I see my kids being inundated with offers. Number 2 daughter actually got into some trouble, but is working it out. She should never have been given the credit limit she was, as she was one paycheck away from not being able to pay the minimum. Then she lost her job.
Incog: the greatest untold scandal is the cooptation of the necessary process of education by schools which owe their primiary allegiance to busniess and commerce.
Since the advent of television, the entire purpose of schooling has been to construct the perfect consumer: uncritical, complacent, easily swayed.
This has been the fruition of the conquest of the public square by public relations/advertizing (which, except for their professorial apologists and practitioners, are utterly interchangeable). Needless to say, the fact that it is NOT a story attests to the success of the program.
Tena and Hecate,
I'm with you, sisters. We've always tried to be inconspicuous consumers, if you will, but this year in particular I'm cutting way down on X-mas stuff. Most of what we're getting the kids, if not made in the US, we're buying through family owned toy shops or catalogs. I'm also making most of the gifts we're giving to the adults in the family.
I was at a mall on Veteran's Day and it was so dispiriting. Christmas in full flower and grouchy, stressed-out, overweight families mindlessly consuming.
"He experienced some shortness of breath Saturday morning and has had a bad cold, which could be the cause for the shortness of breath."
Did cheney get a flu shot?
between Cheney and Scott Petersen, I think the U.S. could nuke Falloujah this weekend and Americans wouldn't notice.
not that I'd know either, I'm wasting all day watching the Miami book fair.
Cheney going to hospital with shortness of breath.
This is awful, but I can't help but think of Da' Bears skit on SNL: I'm picturing Cheney beating on his chest like Chris Farley.
Yes, yes, I'm going straight to hell...
I was at a mall on Veteran's Day and it was so dispiriting. Christmas in full flower and grouchy, stressed-out, overweight families mindlessly consuming.
I used to work in a mall in central PA. Some of the largest, unhappiest people there. Especially at Christmas, blocking the aisles and generally hating life. That wouldn't happen to be where you are, would it?
Konopelli, I couldn't agree more.
Anyone know what hospital?
I think CNN said George Washington Univ. hospital, but I'm not sure.
patriotboy,
Does he get to appoint? I don't know how this works. I've been expecting Cheney to have a health crisis right after the election for some time now and to have to resign to spend time with his family. McCain's sudden willingness to hug Lame Ducky always made me think a deal of some sort had been cut.
Rictus Dick's heart's siezing up? I think this is just what McStain's been waiting for...
Oh my god! Am I going to have to ask for forgiveness for some dark thoughts I had last week vis a vis Cheney.
nah
I don't know how this works, but it would be funny if the person w/ the next most votes for VP got the job. I know that's not the way it works, but it would be funny if Lame Ducky had to look over his shoulder at Edwards for 4 years.
I've heard talk of a national consumer boycott the day after Thanksgiving as a means of protesting Bush's re-election AND the gaudy consumerism that "officially" launches the Christmas season. I'll dig around for more info on that boycott.
I for one plan on staying home that day and baking cookies: THROUGH CHOCOLATE CHIPS, THE REVOLUTION BEGINS!
Faux News keeps on referring to Cheney as a "vigorous man". I guess they mean vigorous heterosexual.
"That bong hit Cheney took at his 200th victory party went down harsh. A fit of coughing resulted. As the President and Rummy laughed in uncontrollable fits of laughter, Cheney was heard to exclaim, "MAN I'M WASTED!" and fell to the floor, landing on his pacemaker. S.S. officials then whisks Mr. Cheney to the hospital."
dirtgirl,
It took a few years, but I finally convinced my family that I really did want donations made in my name to charity. I send checks to my nieces and newphews and write checks for my secretary, yard person, and housecleaners. I buy a good bottle of scotch for my hairdresser. I get real gifts for my son and d-i-l and that's it. I refuse to play the Xmas game as much as possible.
Hecate-That's how the VP was chosen the first few election cycles.
Cheney going to hospital with "shortness of breath"
Face facts. He's living on borrowed time.
I just read that op-ed by the crazy rabbi. Holy cow. Notice how matter-of-factly he says this:
Of course, giving them the ball to defeat the Jihad also entails paying a certain price domestically by swallowing hard and toning down our own demands for cultural liberalism, personal freedoms and values-neutral governance.
Speak for yourself, moron. This country has gone fucking nuts.
My understanding (and I could easily be wrong) is that the next person in line if Cheney goes down is Speaker of the House. I'm assuming that's still Dennis Hastert, right?
God, Black Friday (after Thanksgiving) is the worst day ever to work in retail. I, for one, do not miss it.
Tinfoil hat time:
Cheney's in hospital for heart attack (speculation of course, but 'shortness of breath?' That's usually a sign of heart problems, right?)
Take Cheney off ticket
Put McCain the Slimeball War Hero on as VP before the Elecotral College meets. (Can they do that? I have no idea.)
McCain as VP gives Bush cover for lots of his fuck-ups.
Explains why McCain has been snuggling under Bush's armpit for the last 6 months.
OK, fire away at my theory.
Hecate - Bush demands total loyalty. I don't think he'd appoint McCain to anything.
patriotboy
McCain's whorishness, after his mistreatment at the hands of Bush's campaign, still has me wondering; Do thay have something on him, or have they made him a really nice promise?
My understanding (and I could easily be wrong) is that the next person in line if Cheney goes down is Speaker of the House. I'm assuming that's still Dennis Hastert, right?
Buy Nothing Day is November 26th
http://www.adbusters.org/home/
Speaking about covering the media, this week's New Yorker had a very good article about Le Monde and its role in France. More good quotes than I can fit in HaloScan, but if you get a chance to read it you definitely should.
Here's an earlier piece by Gopnik on Le Monde: I'll try to Lexis/Nexus the new one.
Hecate, Tena: I recommend subscribing to Le Monde Diplo: in French, if you can read it, or in English, along with the Guardian Weekly. (And you can view the archives online with a subscription.) It's like an instant injection of ForPol smarts.
Hecate, I see you and I are thinking along thee same lines here, re McCain.
I hate that guy. Don't understand the Dem's love affair with him.
Tena -- you are a clear voice in the chatter and the handle is distinct so that it is easily recognized and remembered. I would doubt it really amounts to anything more. I prefer to just use the default. I do enjoy reading your posts because I think you are "spot-on" most of the time and anything that I see differently is usually a minor point that is not worth even dwelling on. You can make a big out of this if you want to -- but you have not been diminished in any way and more and more people that visit Eschaton will be looking for what you REALLY have to say.
The Dems love affair with McCain ended with the elections.
Winning was pretty motivational
Please look at the last paragraph of David Brooks op-ed in today's New York Times where he apoligizes for saying that John Kerry had said he would send Afghans into Tora Bora. This apology strikes me as weak given after the election. When did Brooks learn that his allegation was false and why is he only now apologizing? I would like to see a lot of people email Brooks to complain. Also the Public editor at the Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/1...3brooks.html?
hp
My understanding (and I could easily be wrong) is that the next person in line if Cheney goes down is Speaker of the House. I'm assuming that's still Dennis Hastert, right?
Rochambeaux | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 2:02 pm | #
I think that's the line of succession if both the POTUS and VPOTUS die or become incapacitated.
As far as I know, if Cheney goes tits up, the Chimp would get to appoint a new VP, and his pick would have to be confirmed by the Senate.
Rochambeaux,
If I remember correctly the day after Thanksgiving is International Buy Nothing Day. A google search on it will yield many hits.
I definitely think the blogosphere should push this as hard as possible this year. Make retail/consumerist america feel a little pain this holiday season.
Doremus Jessup
THANKS, that's exactly the link I was referring to but couldn't remember.
Can we get some exit polls going on Cheney's condition? Hope those doctors don't leave a paper trail.
semper ubi: I'm sure the protocols would have to be follwed, as far as replacing him should he die now. But I have no idea at all as far as Jan 21st goes. Does he then get replaced by the new speaker (if there is one)? Does Bush get to appoint one, seeing as the Veep isn't really elected, anyway?
The troops in Fallujah, all 40,000 of them, have just been ordered to Mosul.
Meanwhile US troops apparently beat the crap out of the four Sunni Ulema they just arrested in Baghdad.
Cheney Heads to Hospital After Shortness of Breath, White House Says
November surprise.
Cheney's dead.
Cheney's in hospital for heart attack (speculation of course, but 'shortness of breath?' That's usually a sign of heart problems, right?)
Take Cheney off ticket
Put McCain the Slimeball War Hero on as VP before the Elecotral College meets. (Can they do that? I have no idea.)
McCain as VP gives Bush cover for lots of his fuck-ups.
Explains why McCain has been snuggling under Bush's armpit for the last 6 months.
OK, fire away at my theory.
semper ubi
Yup...and many Dems "like" McCain. That puts him in the catbird seat in 2008. I've been thinking this for months, but I did think they's wait a couple of years.
Cheney = FUBAR
OH GOD: Bush gets to appoint someone? OK, freaking out a little. Never thought I would pray for the health of Dick Cheney, but honestly: can you imagine who Bush might pick?
When Agnew went to jail, Nixon appointed Ford VP, the appointment had to be confirmed by both Houses. Nixon wanted John Connally, or Ronald Reagan, or Nelson Rockefeller, but settled on Gerald Ford because Ford agreed to pardon Nixon of any mis or malfeasances if Nixon were forced out due to the disclosures falling out under the Watergate investigation...
25th Amendment, Sec. 2:
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
Nixon got to choose Ford
He may have needed approval from Congress
It's troll time bitches!
Doozer, what if he dies/ withdraws before the Electoral college meets? Could the repubs (and their electors) choose to substitute McCain for Cheney BEFORE they officially elect Bush/Cheney?
I don't know how that process works...
Hecate,
I like your idea. Giving cash or check has the added bonus that no retailers quarterly revenue numbers are helped in the process. But geez, it's so impersonal. For everyone else I'm going to go to Vermont some weekend, buy some handspun wool, and make some winter hats or something.
by the way, a link for everyone:
buy nothing christmas '04. now that's a holiday i can get into.
Here's a scary scenario: Cheney dies. DeLay takes over the House from Hastert in January. Before Bush can name a new VP, he dies. DeLay becomes president.
From the NYT story:
The 63-year-old Cheney has had four heart attacks, although none as vice president. He kept up a heavy travel schedule during Bush's re-election campaign, often traveling with his wife, Lynne Cheney.
So there were two stressors: a heavy travel schedule and his traveling companion.
Here's how vice presidential sucession works:
Amendment XXV
[...}
Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
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but honestly: can you imagine who Bush might pick?
The wackiest, most incompetent fundie he can find.
cmdicely would know how this works. Where is he when we need him?
Bush didn't pick Cheney in the first lace. Cheney was part of the cabal that picked Bush and installed Cheney to ride herd on the druyg-addled, booze-besotted, Christ-bedazzled moron. the same cabal will pick the next Grand Vizier. I expect it will be either vonRumsfeldt or Kindasleezy Rice...
OH GOD: Bush gets to appoint someone? OK, freaking out a little. Never thought I would pray for the health of Dick Cheney, but honestly: can you imagine who Bush might pick?
The Devil has come to claim the soul that he got in exchange for an election victory.
Ashcroft?
Kidding.
New one up.
The wackiest, most incompetent fundie he can find.
But he's already president.
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dirtgirl,
Yeah, a check does seem impersonal, but it's what they want rather than some sweater their aunt picked out that they'll never wear. And it's a lot less stress for their aunt.
Yup...and many Dems "like" McCain. That puts him in the catbird seat in 2008. I've been thinking this for months, but I did think they's wait a couple of years.
ZuZu's Petals
Yeah, I was speculating that would happen a few months ago, if Cheney's approval numbers became too toxic. I always figured McCain (shame on him) had made a deal with the Devil on this one. What else explains it? He could have just as easily said he "supported" the B/C04 ticket without actually going around stumping for Bush, and appearing at his side.
Devil went up to Washington, he was lookin' for soul to steal...
What the hell was I thinking? SotH takes over if the Shrub bites it, not the Dick, duh!
AS- can't you just tell us what Little Roy wrote?
Somebody better say hi to me soon, or I'm going get real annoying.
But he's already president.
Yeah, so who's second in line?
Dobson? GOOD GOD
Got that one wrong, too, din' I? Shoulda stayed awake in PoliSci.
Wait, I never took PoliSci...
Come to that, I never went to college...
Maybe I should go back to limericks...
Breaking News
Cheney, Short of Breath, Heads to Hospital
Vice President Cheney Experiences Shortness of Breath, Is Heading to Hospital for Tests
Santorum
My blog is fabulous
Cheney will overcome; god loves him.
I guess we should be asking who the funides want as VP; it's their due.
The fact that he was never elected in the first place notwithstanding, Bush was inaugurated in 2001. He is still, therefore, nominally the Preznit. So he can appoint anyone he wants to fill Cheney's job. I doubt it would have any impact on the election, per se.
btw: I predicted in late September that Cheney wouldn't be on the platform on inauguration day, along with the theft of the election through ballot fraud.
just sayin...
If I had to choose between killing an iraqi or executing an abortion doctor, I would have a hard time deciding.
Cheney's doin' the old Fred Sandford bit...
Barry Champlain-
It sounds as if you and I are about the same age. I too remember hearing that steady drone of American casualties and the VC body count on my radio and on the TV. I also remember the funerals for two of my classmates who went to Vietnam and returned in caskets and as names on a wall.
I cannot read Allawi's name without thinking Thieu. I can't read "insurgents" without recalling the VC. (But at least they've given up the fantasy of calling them "terrorists.") I've already heard the term Iraqization. We who oppose the war wait for the majority to figure it out and shift the political course.
Everything old is new again.
I think all of that is exactly what struck me this morning as I read that 1000 insurgents had been killed in Fallujah. There is something about all of this that sounds both entirely bogus vaguely familiar.
The numbers belie the nature of the war and the state (progress??? who are they kidding) of the conflict as described by our government. Either they're wrong about one or both or they are lying about one or both.
That was true 35 years ago and it is true again today.
Make no mistake, I don't believe that Iraq is another Vietnam. In many ways, I see it as much worse. There was never any real danger of a genuine world war erupting out of our mistakes in SE Asia. The same small comfort is not available now.
So far, I have seen absolutely no evidence of either competency or integrity in Bush's conduct of this war. Rumsfeld and Bush's neocons have managed to do the historically impossible and accelerate and magnify the mistakes of Vietnam.
On my most optimistic days, I see this bloody mess continuing for years, perhaps decades. On my darker mornings, like today, I see this war spilling over to Syria and Iran and who knows where else. Then where will Bush's no-draft pledge be? Where will his friends in Saudi Arabia be? What will Israel do?
No matter which side of the bed I get up on I wonder what al Qaeda is up to now that they've been put back on our collective back burner. They seem to be both out of sight and out of mind as we daily provide them with a new recruiting poster.
It is enough to make you want to stock up on prozac or Vodka or both. Either that or it is time to find a way to change things. Since I've discarded chemical self therapy, I'd best find something constructive to do.
It appears, as with Vietnam, we will have to wait 30 years for anyone to assume any accountability for Iraq. Will it matter then? Will it be a lesson we will ever learn?
When I was 20, I always thought there was time to change things. Now, I'm not sure if it is the seriousness of the consequences or my advancing age that is making me rethink that.
Who ever said that radicalism was a young person's domain?
Fred Sanford, now there's a real racist
Man I feel for those guy over there. What a fucking position to be put into...
You guys are all fat anyways
Man I feel for those guy over there. What a fucking position to be put into...
speaking of positions, republicans have democrats grabbing their ankles.
Mmmmmm lover
Here's a repellant, feculent, shit-oozing slug, if ever there was one:
If I had to choose between killing an iraqi or executing an abortion doctor, I would have a hard time deciding.
Trevor Webb | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 2:19 pm
Any guesses on the number of grand-parents? Two, max, I'm guessing...
Cheney will overcome; god loves him.
Nah.
Mr. Konopelli, you're breaking blog discipline...
You, too, Mr. Pie... both of you, after school, detention hall.
Any guesses on the number of STD's your horny liberal boyfriends gave you.
Merry fucking Christmas to all the fat-assed trolls.
I'm paying my cards down one at a time, transferring balances to new 2.99% offers, stopped buying extraneous goods (newspapers, magazines especially), simplify, simplify. Better mental health, and even a sense of preparation for a future that may look rather Bradburian or Orwellian. Tell you what, maintain your vehicle regularly, and you'll find yourself free of car payments sooner than later...I have 230,000 miles on current ride, still reliable, comfortable, now with lower taxes and insurance. And I could afford a new one! This is the only way left to stick it to them, they've managed to lie their way into mass consciousness with their gay-hating, neantertal, bible-thumping ignorance and greed. It's harder to fight ignorance, but it's really very easy to not spend money, especially on corporate products. I haven't ventured inside a Walmart for 2 years, now, and McDonalds will never get a penny from me. We have to deal long-term, even if it hurts a bit now.
Leave it to the loser liberals to whine about an actual victory in Iraq.
dave, it's Mrs. Pie.
The breakfast club? Cool.
I told you guys to acknowledge me or prepare to be annoyed. You could have avoided all this, just like sadam could have avoided all the awesome bloodshed.
Ronjazz,
You said it. Simplify, simplify, simplify.
Too many trolls on this blog, I going over to andrewsullivan.com
as u.s. forces attempt to control falluja ramadi and mosul fall under insurgent control
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/.../
ixnewstop.html
reverse flypaper is working for the native iraqi's.
-J.T.
Sorry for breaking the rules. I'm a rule breaker, but:
Trevor, I like your idea of me grabbing my ankles for you, but someone, somewhere misinformed you.
You see, I have a pee pee. And you have a tu tu. The pee pee goes into the tu tu.
So, the proposed sexual position, although intriguing, just won't work.
Now, if you will please assume the position. My little lady.
I'm going to start name stealing soon.
Ronjazz:
You got it brother. I have everything i need except replacement socks and underwear occasionally.
Deacon dave: Sorry, brother! Won't happen again...
Come on, folks, we had a good troll-ignoring going on here, don't screw it up...
sorry ronjass
That editorial is not only bizarre in its conclusions, it's wrong in its history.
News flash: the Crusades were a failure. None of the Crusader kingdoms lasted more than 100 years or so. It turned out that there were more effective armies than legions of Christian holy warriors. And that was 1000 years ago, too.
When you have specious analogies built on false history, the whole edifice totters and falls.
What kind of water DO you have down there, BGK?
The learned Rabbi specifically says this is not a tongue in cheek approach. And with complete disregard for the fact that Israel might have a little to do with why there is a conflict between Islam and the west. As I read it, he is saying: "Let's get those ignorant, fanatical Christians to do our dirty work for us. Of course, we're so special and everything, so they'll never turn on us." Let's see, Jews minipulating others to fight their battles for them, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah- from anti-semites.
But I really can't buy the authenticity of this piece. I'll wait until its provenance and on-the-level-ness is confirmed. I don't want to feel that ashamed for a Rabbi without proof.
Shit, both sides have fundies (Christian/Jewish) that are teaming up, right up to the point when their own agenda is fullfilled. Then it gets hairy.
Somebody alert DAS. He needs to see the wonder-Rabbi's screed.
"Leave it to the loser liberals to whine about an actual victory in Iraq."
this is exactly the problem, that 51% of Americans think there is such a thing as victory in Iraq. You think something has been won - all that has been bought with the Bushliar's excellent Iraqi adventure is a 1000 years of revenge - stick around, it'll be coming back in spades.
Ohh CNN is now reporting that the errors in the elections polls was due to "Dixie Dems"
Suuure.
Bush's puppetmasters will name Condi Rice as VP. That is my prediction. Of course neither one of them will run anything, or make decisions, but the man/wifey thing works for them.
And imagine -- Bush is the first is name a black female to VP. And as I read elsewhere, impression is everything. Two valuable constituencies to be swayed at the same time.
Next Terror Attack
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The learned Rabbi specifically says this is not a tongue in cheek approach.
The average News-Press reader has an almost fatal irony deficiency. If the rabbi said "I'm not joking" while wearing a red nose and big floppy shoes, 2/3 of the readers would believe it.
As with my later posts above, I'm now convinced he's goofing on the fundies. I'm looking forward to the foaming replies come Monday.
Jeb is VP. Mark my words.
What kind of water DO you have down there, BGK?
The groundwater is largely brackish and putrid with sulfur, so our municipal water system uses reverse osmosis. It's frighteningly expensive as far as city water goes, but it produces about the best quality drinking water. It does have added chlorine, but a simple charcoal filter removes the funk.
I'm always amused by people who insist on drinking the Culligan etc. bottled water and loudly proclaiming how they won't drink the city water. The bottled water services around here all use municipal water from a different system, one that's known for its chemical and other contaminants.
Bush would get to appoint the VP of his choice but I doubt it would be Jeb. I'm inclined to think it would be Condi. It would be hard for them to pass up the opportunity to appoint the first woman VP, and an African American on top of that.
They'd crow with jubilation over their own broadmindedness.
Right on BGK, Culligan does. I used to be the "Culligan Man' way back when. Little bastard kids always running around me screaming, "HEY CULLIGAN MAN!"
Truth, the first casualty of war.
Regarding Christmas gifts, when possible give something that benefits the recipient and whoever made/created the gift, for example the new Get Your War On 2, proceeds from which go to Afghan victims of landmines. Homemade bread and etc good too.
Was kinda weird reading someone said Cheney had disappeared again and then comments he was in hosp. I know a lot of really nasty, bigoted, angry people who have not lived to a good old age. I'm just saying.
Sooner or later the fact that the United States is an oligarchic dictatorship will be made undeniable.
I'd like to be convinced that this isn't true, please feel free to convince me.
Tread lightly, Jeremiah...pessimism is tantamount to trollery....
Nov. 1: "Bush is TOAST! He is goin' DOWN!
Nov. 4:"Bush is TOAST! He is goin' DOWN!
i won't serve the Empire, but i cannot help seeing the Emperor.
i am slow...i just got the joke in "Jeremiah." Unless it's your real name
I was happy to see that Mat picked up the Reuters report on this morning's Bushie crapcast. Click the URL to read their version.
Is Mosul the next Fallujah?
Yes, and Fallujah will be the next Mosul
and on and on....
It can't be Jeb, but it couldn't be someone who would threaten Jeb. Tough luck Rudy.
Ashcroft sounds about right.
Jeb is not going to be anything. The reason Jeb went to Florida in the first place is he's too dirty from too many scandals of his own and Florida, like Texas, really has very little in the way of law (in many ways in election law it has less). As soon as Jeb steps into the light of day outside that state he'd get nailed by too many things (don't you think it occurred to them to try Jeb first? Jeb can speak English and give conferences without smirking, snapping, whining or acting like a five year old).
Sooner or later the fact that the United States is an oligarchic dictatorship will be made undeniable.
I'd like to be convinced that this isn't true, please feel free to convince me.
Right, people, stop retro-posting from 1972 for crying out loud. Do try to stay in the now.
"Freedom is on the march."
And everyone is fleeing in fear from it
Someone upthread--I'm too lazy to copy it--said Bushie would start to bug out soon.
I definitely think that's the plan. After the elections in January, he will insist that our job is done. And we will not pull out but instead retreat into our shiny new bases and lock up our fortresses while the rest of Iraq burns to the ground and bleeds into civil war.
Bush is FUCKED in Iraq.
I definitely think that's the plan. After the elections in January, he will insist that our job is done. And we will not pull out but instead retreat into our shiny new bases and lock up our fortresses while the rest of Iraq burns to the ground and bleeds into civil war.
And then the media will dutifully start reporting about the dire threat from Iran, or Syria, or Kreplakistan, and never again will be heard a discouraging word about the disaster in Iraq.
Is Mosul the next Fallujah?
Yes, and Fallujah will be the next Mosul
and on and on....
rlrr | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 6:28 pm | #
rlrr, you are killing me, dude!!! So funny, and so true!!!
"Now the insurgents are 'increasingly desperate' because of the January elections in Iraq.
Right.
Remember, it always appears darkest just before it goes completely black.
O U T N O W !!!!!!
I have a general comment to make:
It is erroneous to contend that 51% of the American public voted for Bush. Bush, supposedly, received 51% of the vote in the last election. All those able to vote did not vote. He received @56,000,000 votes. That is not 51% of the American people.
We must endeavor to keep our eyes on the ball. Indeed, we must never repeat the pap that we are feed by the capitalist media. Such as, the red/blue state crappola.
We are the majority. That is, peace loving, justice loving Americans are the majority. We have tremendous power. It IS true. We must not let the abusers hold sway.
Each one of us has been abused. We CAN walk away from the abuse and then return with strenght of will and the power of action.
O U T !!!! N O W !!!!!
O U T N O W !!!!!!
I have a general comment to make:
It is erroneous to contend that 51% of the American public voted for Bush. Bush, supposedly, received 51% of the vote in the last election. All those able to vote did not vote. He received @56,000,000 votes. That is not 51% of the American people.
We must endeavor to keep our eyes on the ball. Indeed, we must never repeat the pap that we are feed by the capitalist media. Such as, the red/blue state crappola.
We are the majority. That is, peace loving, justice loving Americans are the majority. We have tremendous power. It IS true. We must not let the abusers hold sway.
Each one of us has been abused. We CAN walk away from the abuse and then return with strenght of will and the power of action.
O U T !!!! N O W !!!!!
Hey shit-fer-brains, made any progress in Iraq?
Hey shit-fer-brains, made any progress in Iraq?
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