I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Omg
i'M fRIST
I'd like to be second, but I doubt
I will.
Had a lot of fun channeling Trevor last night.
I've decided it's a fun way to ruin the fun of the troll...pretend you're him, saying ever so slightly more ridiculous things then they say.
Whadda'ya think?
So, when will Al-Jazeerah start showing pictures of 'liberated' Fallujah around the Arab world? I bet that's going to send a cheery vision of freedom and democracy, even as the insurgents set up camp in Samarra and elsewhere.
Is it 2008 yet?
I've been feeling all guilty like I'm an elitist or something for concluding that 59 million of my fellow citizens are blithering idiots.
But then I realized that Bush and Rove also think those people are blithering idiots. That assumption was central to their campaign strategy.
Now I don't feel so bad. In fact, now that I realize the I genuinely have some common ground with Republican leadership, I even feel a twinge of optimism.
Besides, I have to admit I don't really believe all 59 million people who voted for Bush are really blithering idiots...
A small percentage of them are just venal, corrupt, and opportunistic.
God bless America!
Liberals are nothing but lumps of shit I first stomp and second scrape off my shoes and discard in disgust. You are all finsihed. We are coming for you to finish you off.
yep those Texans don't do propaganda when flexing their penis. "Ya like that Bitch!, Hee's some more for ya partner"
People who give safe haven to people that behead other people should themselves become beheaded people.
Roddy, you'd better hope we don't find your address. 59 million boots stomping on your ass will hurt.
No posts about how Mosul has fallen into chaos? And how we had to move troops out of Fallujah to quell the uprising in the North? Good to know we're really beating that insurgency now.
But then I realized that Bush and Rove also think those people are blithering idiots. That assumption was central to their campaign strategy.
No one has ever lost a nickel overestimating the stupidity of the American public.
I'm going back to sleep. Someone wake me up in another hundred years, mkay?
Freedom isn't free! You liberals and leftists, with you media bias, better hope we don't shine our spotlight on yhour funding and evil Satanic unamericanism. We will, though! Ha!
I don't know if this quote is making
the rounds (I just got it this AM)
but it seems relevant.
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents,
more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright
moron."
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Actually it is completely unfair to blame 59 million people who are busy and get their news from CNN, Fux and their locals. Because all they are getting is propaganda. Y'all know that as well as I do and I don't quite get how you can't see that they have been told a bunch of lies and they don't blog so they aren't all brilliant like you, Roddy.
Why, there are no casualties in Faluja! Al Jazzerah must be making things up. Bush already explained that there won't be any casualties. I think I'll skip watching the news tonight.
For fuck's sake, put the blame where it belongs - our fucked up excuse for a media.
Had a lot of fun channeling Trevor last night.
I've decided it's a fun way to ruin the fun of the troll...pretend you're him, saying ever so slightly more ridiculous things then they say.
Whadda'ya think?
Tom P.
What makes you think we haven't been doing that for weeks already, Tom?
We are not stupid! We are The Heartland, and we hate you elititsts. I read that book called Shut Up And Sing so I am on to yous. We are humble, hardworking, and love our country and president and God. You do not. You will all be punished.
How come these tough talkers, who seem to bask in violence, never enlist? How come you never hear marines talk about stomping peoples asses? Besides being latently homosexual, not that there is anything wrong with that, they don't need to talk tough to prove themselves. But some Republicans are so insecure that overt threats are all they have.
BTW, next week is the annual School of the Americas protest.
http://www.soaw.org/new/
America's very own terrorist training camp.
Tom P,
I think it's better to ignore him. I suspect it's our old friend Robert under a new name (Trevor was the name of his old imaginary friend).
Oh, and you liberals who want us to lose in Iraq and the terrorists to win? It's called giving aids and comforts to the enemy, and it is treason! We should hang all of you!
H.L. Mencken has a whole lot to recommend him and a whole lot not to.
He wasn't quite nice, actually. He was rather bigoted.
People who give safe haven to people that behead other people should themselves become beheaded people.
How about people who give safe haven to politicians who invade and destroy a country that had nothing to do with al Qaeda?
You know what? If everything else was equal but I were an Iraqi, I would be fighting alongside them. You bet I'd want the Americans either dead or gone after I saw how they tortured people in Abu Ghraib and couldn't keep basics like clean water and electricity up and running.
Which one was Robert?
AmericaFIRST:
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."
-Ben Franklin (paraphrased)
dieselcreek:
If those guys from Texas could actually GET IT UP so they COULD flex their penis, we wouldn't be in this predicament. What you are seeing is the direct result of women with crusty old crotches not putting out for their husbands because they are saving themselves for Jaysus.
They just pull this shit to make you think they can actually get a hard on without Viagra.
Those children were killers. They must be liberated from their life. It's really for their own good.
I caught a rumor the other day that one of Blairs top aids told him and the press that the Iraq was was quite possibly illegal.
Ooops.
I don't know what is worse: the trolls or the parody trolls.
I vote for the parody trolls.
Peace never made people free. War has. War requires sacrifice. And you chicken liberals don't like that, want your welfare and free money for drugs and blacks. Well, up yours, I have done eight tours in Iraq and goin' back for more. Semper Fi and God Bless the USA.
Al, where does Ziggy say I am now??
AL?
i have a small wee-wee.
my dog likes peanut butter and weiners.
My favorite second guessing fro the left is that Kerry should have responded better to the Swift Boats. If someone could truly figure out how to counter that kind of nonsense the Republicans would never win another election. It was not that easy. The media allowed uncredible people to have free air time. Their excuse was to focus on the content of the charges. The content was meaningless, if the swift's were called out they just manufactured a new lie.
Roddy,
Just stay away from the Bridge of Toome, okay?
dieselcreek - that's fascinating - where did you hear that rumor about one of Blair's top aids telling him the war might (oh really - might?) be illegal?
please someone like me.
Liberal bias in the media does not help. It must be OUTLAWED! WE ARE AT WAR! WE MUST SUPPORT THE TROOPS and our PRESIDENT.
Go ahead, sneer, America haters. We've got yer number.
My penis is huge for it is the penis of FREEDOM.
Tena, the trouble is that most of them DON'T know that it is propoganda. They think that they are part of the in crowd that knows what is really going on. A lot of repugs suffer from low-self esteem and this makes them feel good. But don't overestimate their intelligence. The sad thing is they could get right-biased info. from CNN and other major networks, while liberals are screwed now, esp. if their cable choices are like mine. A majority also have a major anger problem, and it helps to get their blood boiling to listen to Fox. They're pathetic but they don't know it.
i write in all caps because if you say stupid stuff, you might as well shout it.
AmericaFIRST:
Yeah that whole non-violence thing really blew up in Ghandi's face didn't it? It's not like it acheived independence for 500 million Indians or anything.
Remember when Jesus said, "The warriors will inherit the Earth"? Oh, wait...
"Roddy, you'd better hope we don't find your address. 59 million boots stomping on your ass will hurt."
And that will raise your collective IQ how...?
Tena:
You're right about Mencken. When I
finally read him, it was a big
disappointment -- parochial, bigoted,
and uncomfortably like
Maureen Dowd -- he hated and felt
superior to just about everybody. His
stuff gets real tired real fast.
He gave great quotes, though.
Tena
Lately I can't tell the parody trolls from the real trolls. Irony really is dead, I'm afraid.
my penis is huge for it is the penis of FREEDOM.
ask me how many sheep i've liberated.
go ahead, ask me.
It's called giving aids and comforts to the enemy
Whaaaaaaa???
I personally slaughtered Saddam Hussein and left a mile long trails of Iraqi raghead guts in my wake. Ho Chi Minh nicknamed me "Whispering Death." I eat nails for breakfast and drink my own urine when I'm alone in the mountains of Tora Bora, operating as a splinter cell for the National Security Administration.
I can kill a man with one look.
I also read Guns and Ammo and enjoy crossword puzzles.
Anonymous
I agree, the moment Garner admitted on screen he was not on the missions he had pounded Kerry over, everyone should have been calling for the heads of the Swift Boat group.
The failure of the media to do real Due Diligence on them is one of the landmarks pointing towards media failure or possible compromise.
Can we not talk about sex so much?
Amazing the insight about the monolith that is composed of million people.
God, y'all are geniuses.
Heh,parody-AmericaFIRST is on a roll tonight.
Think of it as an artform.
oop - the 59 got cut when I was bolding the million.
My skills as a Special Forces Op have been honed to a razor sharp edge by playing "Navy Seals SOCOM II" on my PlayStation2.
Reading Tom Clancy books gives me a good idea of what life is like as a "black hat" CIA paramilitary. I think I could be a CIA commando if I worked out a little bit and lost maybe five pounds, and I wasn't a 39 year old mail room worker who lives with his mom in Columbus, Ohio.
Did anyone catch Bob Graham on Cspan this afternoon?
He thinks Porter Goss is the bee's knee's.
Kudos for previous thread commenter Konopelli for the quote of the day:
I keep hoping there is real significance in the fact of aWol skipping his physical. The last time he missed one, he was fixing to desert.
steve simels - the thing that I love most about Mencken is his book on the American Language. I love that book. I"ve read it twice.
Miserable bastard, but very smart.
steve simels,
if you don't like it, i challenge you to a settle it in the style of our heterosexual forefathers: a manly gladiator style wrestling match. lionclothes are optional; oil is not. are you man enough?
Heh,parody-AmericaFIRST is on a roll tonight.
Think of it as an artform.
Actually it is completely unfair to blame 59 million people who are busy and get their news from CNN, Fux and their locals. Because all they are getting is propaganda
I disagree Tena, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice that the war in Iraq is going badly. And how smart do you have to be to notice the preznit doens't speak english and has the IQ of a bran muffin.
Nope. I blame them completely. I've talked to enough of them who knew the facts and completely disregarded them.
I loathe Haloscan.
Blair under new pressure over Iraq war: did he ignore advice of officials that it was unlawful?
By Marie Woolf Chief Political Correspondent
16 October 2004
Independent
Tony Blair faced renewed pressure last night over the legality of the war in Iraq as Charles Kennedy demanded to know how he had decided there were "strong factual grounds" that Saddam Hussein had failed to dismantle his programme of WMDs.
The Liberal Democrat leader wrote to the Prime Minister calling on him to "set the record straight" as it emerged that, a year before the invasion of Iraq, senior officials had warned the Government there was no escalating threat from Saddam's WMD nor legal justification for toppling him.
The fresh question comes at the end of a week in which lawyers and MPs cast doubt on the legality of the war, and Lord Goldsmith, the Attorney General, faced a call to resign. Mr Kennedy's demand that the Prime Minister publish the entire legal advice in the run up to war follows the Iraq Survey Group's findings, published this month, that Saddam did not possess weapons of mass destruction, and the withdrawal by Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, of intelligence from MI6 that the Iraqi dictator could launch weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes.
However, secret papers, including a highly confidential memo from Mr Straw to Mr Blair, which have been seen by The Independent, show that as long ago as March 2002 members of the Cabinet had been warned that invading Iraq could be fraught with legal problems. The full extent of the doubts in Whitehall is revealed in the astonishing series of confidential documents written at the highest levels of government a year before Mr Blair agreed that Britain should join the invasion.
http://
psychoanalystsopposewar.o...r_Iraq_war.html
Could maybe Helen Thomas ask Lame Duckie if he's now going to take his physical? I know no one else would do it, but maybe Helen would.
dieselcreek - that's fascinating - where did you hear that rumor about one of Blair's top aids telling him the war might (oh really - might?) be illegal?
This has been bubbling along for some time, Tena. Here is a BBC report of the former Prime Mininster, and leader at the time of Gulf War 1, calling for the advice Lord Goldsmith (Attorney General) gave to Blair to be made public back in February.
The advice given before the war, and the general perception of all of those with a valid opinion who gave it, was that without a further UN Resolution or an unambigious threat to the United Kingdom, war would be illegal. Goldsmith was asked 2 weeks or so before war began to provide a new opinion, justifying war, without the prior criteria... This is the one which the Government has never published, but which is obliquely refered to as the Government's supposed legality. It's widely believed to be likely to be pure honk.
actually, i don't own a playstation 2. i only get to play it when my mother takes me to chur...er, Wal-Mart and they have a demo booth.
my earwax tastes like gummy bears.
I've decided it's a fun way to ruin the fun of the troll...pretend you're him, saying ever so slightly more ridiculous things then they say.
Is this that "name stealin'" thing -- not exactly condoned here, actually gets some people pretty worked up. I am not judging anyone for doing it -- IMHO a person is a fool to treat any haloscan post as anything but anonymous -- especially when they use cute handles. I am only speaking for myself -- the fun in these threads for me is the ideas and not the personalities (whether they are a pissant or an "important" person). I did see some obnoxious tevor posts in another thread, but didn't want it to be feedin' time at the zoo. Are you saying that was you? Is name stealing something that is OK if you are proclaimed to be a troll by the powers that be or should those that enjoy the exchange of ideas be more respectful of each other an merely refuse to acknowledge trolls? Inquiring minds want to know...
Ig georgie's still a cokehead, is the doctor obligated to tell?
AmericaFIRST:
I was all set to take you on until
the revelation about your earwax.
Regretfully, I must now pass.
People who give safe haven to people that behead other people should themselves become beheaded people.
Anonymous
I presume you are talking about the rulers of Saudi Arabia here.
Ig? If
steve - it can be dangerous learning too much about any artist's personal life. I really do like Frost's poetry, but ever since I found out what a terrible man he was, it has ruined the work for me.
This of course is a quandary that is as old as art.
And Peter Ackroyd wrote a wonderful novel around this very paradox. It is called Chatterton I recommend it highly.
I believe that patriotism should be mandated during wartime. Those who do not support our troops and national will to survive should be culled as useless eaters. We will consign the unGodly and the liberal media biased to a sentence of bulk labor consignment. There they shall manufacture the necessities of society for teh free, and perhaps learn the meaning of freedom or they shall be separated from their lives and sent to the eschaton.
Oy. It's back.
Oh, and you liberals who want us to lose in Iraq and the terrorists to win? It's called giving aids and comforts to the enemy.
I don't know whether your going for humor or realism with this, but giving "aids...to the enemy" is too clever by half. No real troll would make this kind of gramatical error. i can almost here you snickering from here.
And you chicken liberals don't like that, want your welfare and free money for drugs and blacks.
Again, don't know if you're going for realism here, but no trollwould be overtly racist towards black people. They may say something implicitly racist, like welfare queens. Frankly, you should have used islamofascist, which is both racist and incoherant. Oh, and refer to us as dhimmicrats. That's another good one as it's racist, incoherant and totally misses the mark.
My position is that stupid people are easily gulled. Too many stupid people. Faux and the churches doesn't help, but without them, we still have to damned many stupid people in this country. It will take several generations to fix this, if we start now.
Unfortunately, we are not starting now.
I think the original story was that he'd take the physical after the election. Well, it's after the election and we've just had another reminder that the VP's health is precarious. Shouldn't Lame Duckie take his physical now?
Your so caled facts about the war are liberal lies and sedition, I will ignore them and get my facts from America's finest news source, FOX. You should too. Oh, and Bernard Goldberg has written two books about your mental illness. You could read them and be saved.
Echilles,
I agree. Take a principled stand on the issue.
Tena --
I had the same reaction with Raymond
Chandler. Reading his biography almost
spoiled the novels for me.
Oh well. Wasn't it DH Lawrence who
famously said "trust the tale, not
the teller."
by 'patriotism', i mean gladiator-style manly man-wrestling matches. (see my challenge to steve earlier). i have plenty of videos on this subject, and am well-qualified to host such matches in my parents' basement where i live.
also, please diregard any parallels between my posts and nazism. it's purely coincidence, i assure you.
The best thing about a democracy is that it tends to AVOID wars, not create them. Of course people are going to criticize war or lack thereof. It's our inherent right. You can't let that right be taken away with the promise it will be returned someday. It won't without civil unrest.
dieselcreek and titler - thanks. I knew there were problems for Blair all along, I just hadn't seen anything lately.
pie - whoa, you just raised a very interesting question. If the president's doctor finds out the preznit is on illegal drugs, or is crazy or something else which endangers the country - does duty to the country trump doctor/patient privilege? I'm thinking not, but I don't know for certain.
By 04, the truth was common knowledge. Bush voters decided to buy into lame excuses instead of the truth. Excuses like, everyone believed he had WMD.
Unfortunately, we are not starting now.
Yes, we are. Just spread the word. You'd be surprised at the number of people out there who are angry, sad, and scared that Bush won. I've never seen anything like it. Perfect strangers seem more than willing to discuss it.
AP - 56 minutes ago
U.S. military officials said Saturday that American troops had now "occupied" the entire city of Fallujah and there were no more major concentrations of insurgents still fighting after nearly a week of intense urban combat.
steve & Tena,
You don't even want to know what James Joyce got up to in his off time, trust me....
I'm thinking not, but I don't know for certain.
I don't put ANYTHING past this crew. They will do what they have to.
NYMary:
Don't be such a tease. What about
JJ?
....though he wasn't a fascist, like Pound and Eliot, at least.
Oh, and thanks for the advice, steve, much appreciated.
Tena and pie,
I think the thing is that they've always released the reports, usually to show how healthy the president is. The tradition goes back before Bush. It may have been the president as patient who released it so no problem with confidentiality, but to refuse to release it now would sound very fishy
Best, simple, time-honored advice about trolls: Don't feed them. I know it's easier said than done, but it's damn good advice. Ignore them and they go away.
steve - I don't know who said it. Nabokov wrote quite a bit on this subject. He was of the opinion that there shouldn't be biographies of artists. He was notoriously difficult about it. Of course, he was a genius. He hated all his translators, too, and fought with every one of them, except his son, Dmitri, bitterly.
And I regret ever learning anything at all about Tolstoy. I believe that his novels are as close to perfection as it may be possible for a novel to be. He was another son of a bitch. "Purity" overtook him in middle age. That's never good.
They think that they are part of the in crowd that knows what is really going on.
Excellent observation -- I never thought of it that way. Not only do they have the power of "us against them" working, they also are allowing the "sheeple" to consider themselves "opinion leaders" as they parrot the dishonest talking points of the smirking chimp.
WOW, what a powerful stategy -- first, convince the masses that they are not wealthy because of the unfortunate people that are worse off then them. Next, convince these fools that the media is really ALL WRONG! Finally, let this foolish nobodies be "leaders" in their communities by allowing them to be the "opinion leaders" that speak the truth.
Couple this with a media that is controlled by the chimpster's supporters and create an anti-intellectual culture, and VIOLA -- we are ready for the 2004 election. I am not saying it is right, but it is brilliant propaganda.
"
Amazing the insight about the monolith that is composed of million people.
"
People everywhere are more or less the same. I have no problem at all with making generalizations about large groups of people, as long as the property that picks out that group is a good reason for the judgment that is made.
So, knowing that these 59 million people voted for GWB allows us to conclude something re their character & intelligence; knowing what race, e.g., some people are would not.
We on the left need to stop making excuses for these fucks. The declared war on us and all we hold dear on Nov. 2, and it's time we fought back.
This is now a civil war; I'm not particularly interested in helping out GWB-voting hicks in Alabama.
.
NYMary:
My pleasure. Hope it made some small
sense.
ss,
Your fifty-cent word for the day: coprophilia. (eeeeeewwwwwww!)
I've heard that Cheney is in the hospital again, anyone want to take a guess at who Fuhrer Bush would want to put in his spot if he croaked.
By patriotism, I mean the exclusive act of sitting at home while soliders in the military are sent to a far off land to fight, lose a limb and perhaps die. Instead of taking note of these soldiers' sacrifice, I will demand a tax cut. Instead of planting a victory garden or buying war bonds, I will watch Fox News. Instead of engaging in civic activity such as going to a PTA or city supervisors meeting, I will eat ice cream, at home, alone. Instead offering my own life to this country I profess to love, I will choose to egg on other, younger, non-obese people to die thousands of gruesome deaths and have their survirors' mind permenantly etched with horrific images of charred corpses and the faceless specter of death behind unseen road bombs and sniper rifles.
Hoowah!
Hecate, they'll just lie.
Perhaps Dr. Hager, the fundie OB-GYN, will do the physical.
Hee hee.
pie - I have not run into one person yet who wasn't depressed or angry that Bush won. Not one, and that includes checkers in the grocery store.
"My penis is huge for it is the penis of FREEDOM."
Not as big as MINE!
cnn poll
Do you think the assault on Falluja will mark the turning point in Iraq?
Yes 44% 64860 votes
No 56% 81697 votes
Total: 146557 votes
"Oh, and Bernard Goldberg has written two books about your mental illness. You could read them and be saved."
Bernard Goldberg is in the 'saving' biz now? I could have sworn that was someone else.
WOW, what a powerful stategy -- first, convince the masses that they are not wealthy because of the unfortunate people that are worse off then them. Next, convince these fools that the media is really ALL WRONG! Finally, let this foolish nobodies be "leaders" in their communities by allowing them to be the "opinion leaders" that speak the truth.
Exactly. Read this book! Please! It explains this and so much more! And it's not dry or dull, it's a great read.
NYMary:
That is so gross.
Actually, my favorite evil artist
is the Italian composer Gesualdo.
He poisoned a whole bunch of folks.
Peckerheads like AmericaFIRST are actually quite useful. If we pay attention to them, we can see the mindset of the average Bush voter.
We must know what we are up against; AmericaFIRST is what we are up against.
But I'm sure a quicker response to the Swift Boat ads would have changed their minds, right? Kerry raising a little more hell about Abu Grahib would have converted them from fascists to democrats, right?
.
steve,
Like the Happy Mondays?
"My penis is huge for it is the penis of FREEDOM."
Not as big as MINE!
Oh yeah, check out my 100% "Grade A" Wyoming Free-Range Beef.
Echilles,
I agree. Take a principled stand on the issue.
StuTheSheep | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 6:10 pm | #
I'd like to - but mommie said, "NO!"
Oh, and let us not forget the great
drummer Jim Gordon, co-author of
"Layla." Hacked his mother to bits
a few years later.....
I wonder - if it's ever finally determined that Bush didn't get 59 million votes, will y'all narrow the limit of your superiority complexes?
This is the one which the Government has never published, but which is obliquely refered to as the Government's supposed legality. It's widely believed to be likely to be pure honk.
And one of Goldsmith's deputies -- a senior career civil servant -- resigned in disgust over the 'opinion', suggesting as best she could, given the Official Secrets Act, that it was pure honk.
Sometimes I feel like I am all alone in this world and I have no one to go to!
I live in the liberal haven of Madison, WI and I can tell ya, the mood went pretty sour here after the election. Like a giant cloud decended on the city.
But that was just for a day or two. People then got mad. Really mad. But now, there is an open dialogue going on. A new energy. It's good to see. A fraternal feeling...
WOW, what a powerful stategy -- first, convince the masses that they are not wealthy because of the unfortunate people that are worse off then them. Next, convince these fools that the media is really ALL WRONG! Finally, let this foolish nobodies be "leaders" in their communities by allowing them to be the "opinion leaders" that speak the truth.
Couple this with a media that is controlled by the chimpster's supporters and create an anti-intellectual culture, and VIOLA -- we are ready for the 2004 election. I am not saying it is right, but it is brilliant propaganda.
Yes, Julius Streicher would have been proud to see his techniques being used so effectively.
Hey all you Dumbocrats, don't you think it is great that Bush kicked your ass? What a VICTORY!!!! The Red States rock, the Blue States are in shock.
Say bye-bye to the Dumbocratic Potty. Ha. What a bunch of losers. You guys are so pathetic, you have to run to Nader for help.
Wimps.
I think the original story was that he'd take the physical after the election. Well, it's after the election and we've just had another reminder that the VP's health is precarious. Shouldn't Lame Duckie take his physical now?
Oh, I thought they said physic.
my bad.
NYMary:
Don't think I ever actually listened
to the Happy Mondays. They became
Black Grape, didn't they?
Oh wait, I never listened to them
either.
Am I missing something good?
I wish that I had something to do or someone to do it with tonight.
It really makes me angry that the people that I call friends don't seem to realize how smart and insightful I am.
So rather than hang out with them and try to ignore the way they treat me, I think I will stay at home tonight and just write more about how awful liberals are and how much better I am.
Will you talk to me please?
Sometimes when I'm alone, I sit on my hand until it's numb, and then I masturbate. I call that a "Stranger".
Have you ever given yourself a Stranger?
OT: US military personnel banned from bars in northern italy.
The commander of the USAF 31st Fighter Wing in Aviano has ordered all pilots out of the bars of Friuli Venezia Giulia. US Pilots abused by alcohol have been involved in dozens of car wrecks.
dieselcreek - It's not quite that overt here in Dallas, but it's here. It's amazing. Strangers hear you talking about it and butt into the conversation to say: "What happened? I can't believe this!"
re: Happy Mondays -- Shaun Ryder plays the Shaun-Ryder-esque scally in 'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas'.
I was just listening to some old stuff I MP3ised from vinyl. Damn, it's good. And knowing it's over a decade old makes me feel... ancient.
re: Chimpy's physical. Helen Thomas won't be able to ask, because she'll be exposed to an especially virulent strain of the flu virus on her way to the next press gaggle.
Bush Rocks
If I were you, I wouldn't put Bush and rocks together. It doesn't help your cause.
Just sayin'
"
I wonder - if it's ever finally determined that Bush didn't get 59 million votes, will y'all narrow the limit of your superiority complexes?
"
Yes. I will narrow it down by 3 million or so.
That still leaves quite a big group of people who are inferior to me.
Not that I'm special. There are 56 million other people who are superior to those 59 million.
What's the big deal with saying what is obviously true: a Kerry voter is going to be, with MAYBE a couple of exceptions out of 120 million, of superior intelligence and character than a Bush voter.
.
So rather than hang out with them and try to ignore the way they treat me, I think I will stay at home tonight and just write more about how awful liberals are and how much better I am.
Librels do suck. Bush rocks. Bush won. Beat the crap outta the Dummycrats.
Have you ever given yourself a Stranger?
uh, yeah, I have.
kathy - shit. Between that and the suicides and the ones who kill their wives when they get back - god help us all.
I think Bush is the coolest president we have ever had.
It is great how he has made sure that America has lots of oil, and it doesn't matter that his buddies get the profits...they deserve it.
I don't really mind that I just make $6.00 bucks an hour working at their gas station selling cokes and chewing gum. It isn't really taxing that way, so I have lots of energy left to get online when I get home and type stuff about what losers liberals are.
Oooh, maybe Cheney will die and go to Republican Hell.
It's a dark and dreadful land, where everyone has free access to quality health care, the government isn't a wholly-owned subsidiary of corrupt, evil corporations, and all government contracts are put up for competitive bidding. And, worst of all, none of the politicians in Republican Hell are able to lie about anything.
If I were you, I wouldn't put Bush and rocks together. It doesn't help your cause.
Bush is the new rock n roll. Young people are following him in droves. Kerry couldn't win dog catcher.
steve,
Have you not read/seen 24 Hour Party People? Tony Wilson's book, made into actually a pretty good film.
In it, the Happy Mondays (who yes, became Black Grape, and yes, are tons of fun) poison bird seed and feed it to the pigeons of Manchester. They killed something like 200,000 pigeons. Sick bastards. But the Black Grape song where they edit Reagan's speeches to be pro-drug almost make you want to forgive them. ("Nancy and I are hooked on heroin.") Almost.
Tena,
I've come to feel that when an artist's work shows something that transcends his life, it enhances my appreciation of the art. E.g., how did Joyce, seemingly most selfish and detached of men, write the luminous "The Dead"??
A Haiku:
when Dick Cheney dies
I'll laugh 'til I realize
it changes nothing
Bush will lead the world to salivation.
I should be doing my home work or the chores my mom has on the list, but instead I think I'll just stay online and make up tough sounding stuff.
I certainly wouldn't want to say anything like this to someones face. I tried that once and the girl beat the shit outta me. My dad was so mad. I will just avoid that situation entirely and type stuff online where no one knows who I am and I don't even really have to make any sense.
Bush Rocks: Clueless.
The female bush will leave the world to salvation!
leave=lead DUH!
Bush is the new rock n roll. Young people are following him in droves.
It's true, swarms of young people are following him.
Hecate & pie - I've been screaming about the physical a long time. I tried to get WH'ho interested and he came back to me with the answer that basically it was nothing worth pursuing.
Fuck that - it is definitely worth pursuing. I with someone in the press would notice this void and address it.
dieselcreek - It's not quite that overt here in Dallas, but it's here. It's amazing. Strangers hear you talking about it and butt into the conversation to say: "What happened? I can't believe this!"
Tena
My sister lives outside of dallas -- unfortunately, she is a very active fundie and is active in local politics for the repugs. I seldom see her and we certainly would not discuss politics when we get together. She is involved with a very active community of smirking chimp suppporters around the greater dallas area. Glad to hear your take on it, but don't fool yourself -- the chimpster is popular in texas.
Bush will lead the world to salivation.
As in Wolves?
I've developed a listhp
Oooh, maybe Cheney will die and go to Republican Hell.
Sadly, that would be Heaven. So, no.
Actually, I think Republican Hell is a 'free-market' world, just one where Cheney and other fat bastard CEOs are minimum-wage, three-job-workers for eternity, under demonic executives. The arse-end of their paradise.
Joyce knew beauty. He had a hard time with the vagaries of everyday life, but he knew beauty. He feared becoming Gabriel, which really would have been a best case scenario had he stayed in Dublin, and he knew his Nora had access to a whole world he never would. A married man's love letter.
It's true, swarms of young people are following him.
And some who aren't so young. Yuk.
I can make dingle berries in the shape of all the members of Bush's cabinet!
NYMary:
I've been meaning to see that film
forever. But poisoning pigeons....it's
like a Tom Lehrer song made flesh.
Oh, if any you guys get the Independent
Film Channel, they're running a great
20th anniversary of Spinal Tap
documentary at 10:30
Geez, MSU is kicking Wisconsin's butt.
No one! Who understands!
MY Mary,
Joyce? Really?
I tried to get WH'ho interested and he came back to me with the answer that basically it was nothing worth pursuing.
Cowards, all.
Except for Helen and maybe one or two others, of course.
Yeah, Bush is popular with exactly 51% of the people here. He won this county - and that is the entire county, by one steenking point.
He ain't that popular here.
59 to 56 million sounds like a civil war to me. look i took the time to type this out and post it on the dead thread below. so again,
A minority is powerless while it conforms to the majority; it is not even a minority then; but it is irresistable when it clogs by its whole weight. If the alternative is to keep all just men in prison, or give up war and slavery, the State will not hesitate which to choose...
But even suppose blood should flow. Is there not a sort of blood shed when the conscience is wounded? Through this wound a man's real manhood and immortality flow out, and he bleeds to an everlasting death. I see this blood flowing now. Thoreau
we need a revolution. really, i mean it. to pull a qoute out of my ass "if we make the wrong choice the danger is we will be attacked again, whole cities could be devastated" i took that warning very seriously and i think "we" made the wrong choice. and i am one of the 56 million smarter ones.
How many "important" insurgents do you think had not left Fallujah before this most recent attack? I suspect they all had gone a long time before, probably to Mosul. This is so pointless and idiotic, just like the government we have which is also pointless and idiotic. I don't count them wanting to fleece the whole world as a point.
clio,
alas, I am in, as it's known, the "Joyce mafia". Has to do with where I went to school and who my thesis advisor was and all that. A fascinating, complex writer. And smart and funny as hell.
Fuck that - it is definitely worth pursuing. I with someone in the press would notice this void and address it.
How about Dr. Lawrence Altman, who did the lengthy profile of Kerry's health?
His contact details at NYU have an email address and phone number. I'd recommend doing a bit of ad hoc journalism.
Eumache - that's a great point. Thanks for that; I love it when someone makes me look at something in a new way.
And I agree that The Dead is transcendent.
The movie that John Huston did of the story is also transcendent.
Pardon me, please, but could someone explain the meaning behind
"dhimmicrats"?
Thanks!
I've heard that Cheney is in the hospital again, anyone want to take a guess at who Fuhrer Bush would want to put in his spot if he croaked.
OKJackson
Jerry Falwell?
Bush will lead the world to salivation.
Yeah, but only if that idiot w doesn't get us all killed first.
oooooo, Spinal Tap! I heard the Folksmen got booed off the stage when they opened for them.
Bush will lead the world to salivation.
Salivation. Yeah. People will start looking at each other for their next meal.
Is it 2008 yet? Nah....only 1984.
Bush will lead the world to salivation.
Right, show Osama video and people salivate and vote for Bush.
who Fuhrer Bush would want to put in his spot if he croaked.
Dumsfeld, probably.
Creative Election Protest idea #42
I am a trucker
I always top my tank off as I leave a blue state
dont leave bucks in red states
At truckstops for a tip I scribble on a napkin
A tip *Bush stole the election-Spread the word*
charley - so what kind of "Revolution" are you talking about? Because if you mean a violent revolution, then you are going to achieve exactly nothing but a bunch of dead people.
If you pay attention, there is already a revolution going on. It doesn't involve violence, it involves information and organization.
It has a chance of winning.
Yeah, Bush is popular with exactly 51% of the people here. He won this county - and that is the entire county, by one steenking point.
He ain't that popular here.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 6:41 pm | #
Thanks for setting me straight -- I wouldn't ask my sister and I did not bother to even look at the returns from TX -- but in urban areas, he is not that popular. It is my understanding tha my sister and the people she associates with probably have little use for dallas, keep their kids out of the public schools, and only associate with other fundies that share their political view. You comments let me know that all is not lost -- thanks
Bush will lead the world to salivation.
CHENEY/DAHMER '08
a piece of prophecy for you:
The last shall be first and Americafirst shall be last.
Has anyone seen an update on the status of the relatives of Allawi that were taken hostage and were going to be beheaded in 48 hours unless we pulled out of Fallujah?
48 hours was up on Friday.
What is the status?
I tried to get WH'ho interested and he came back to me with the answer that basically it was nothing worth pursuing.
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Cowards, all.
-pie
I wrote a to WaPo when Getler wrote that article about 'falling short' pointing out that they had run 10 stories about the fact that Kerry had said that Mary Cheney was a lesbian, and how trivial that story was to devote so much column space to it.
And yet Bush refusing to take a physical is 'nothing worth pursuing.'
Riiiiiiiiiiight!
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BTW, I always had Ho pegged as female, based on the fact that she said she had developed a taste for unblended scotch from an ex.
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Tena sez:
tried to get WH'ho interested
Who the hell is WH'ho?
It's wonderful to get an insiders' perspective but in the end he (she?) goes along; mouths the "common wisdom".
Feh.
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The last shall be first and Americafirst shall be last.
The Hitler Youth had their moment in the night, too.
These guys are just too ignorant or brainwashed to realize it.
reuters reporting cheney went home, "fine".
You comments let me know that all is not lost -- thanks
-Anonymous
Don't forget about the Democratic Revolution in El Paso county, threw out all the incumbent republican judges and went strong for Kerry....
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Order of succession after Cheney..
3. Hastert
4. President pro tempore of the Senate1 Ted Stevens
5 Colin Powell
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie pop? I'm just sayin..
We also elected an openly lesbian latina democrat as county sheriff.
This is supposed to be the Heart of Darkness as far as most people are concerned.
whatever.
Tena--you're welcome--and yes, the movie of The Dead is amazing. Must remember to rent again...
NYMary--You're right of course, but I don't think anyone questions Joyce's knowledge of beauty. We were chewing over that old question of how knowing about the artist's life affects one's take on his art...
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charley - so what kind of "Revolution" are you talking about? Because if you mean a violent revolution, then you are going to achieve exactly nothing but a bunch of dead people.
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Nothing like that needs to happen. I think of it more like a divorce. REd states hate blue states, and vice versa. So why stay together? What's the point? We'd be much better off without them.
Blue state secession is our only hope.
I realize that the Blue/Red state thing is a little oversimplified, and that the real blue-red split is between urban and rural areas. But you can't split the country up into urban and rural. Separating blue from red STATES would be much more convenient.
Then, any sane person from a red state could just move to a blue state, rather than to Canada. ANd bigoted fascists who live in blue states can move to red states.
WE will never win another national election. There are more of Them than there are of Us, and They are breeding like crazy. Plus, now that they hold complete power over the federal govt., we have basically no chance of ever getting a fair election again.
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BTW, I always had Ho pegged as female, based on the fact that she said she had developed a taste for unblended scotch from an ex.
That makes sense, actually. Funny how you assign a sex to a poster.
Wh'ho called me *dear*. I figured s(he) to be an older man.
Older woman? Sure.
The Hitler Youth had their moment in the night, too.
I have my movement in the night.
I have to get out of bed to go to the bathroom.
Phredd - Oh wow, that is terrific about El Paso.
Last I heard, they hadn't finished counting all the votes in the Valley and the Valley is usually pretty blue.
Texas is going blue again. I love it.
jasin, you've entered the Twilight Zone.
Get the fuck out of here.
Actually, my thingy isn't really all that big.
I have to get out of bed to go to the bathroom.
Do you see Bush in the porcelain altar?
Eumache,
Well, sure. But as someone who's done a ton of work on Joyce's biography, trust me. You don't want to know. Thre are a lot of "did-he-or-didn't-he" debates on Joyce's biography, which drives the estate, or at least the sole living relation who runs it, crazy.
Where am I? Why do my clothes smell like urine?
Somebody, please help me.
Lets take a look at Bush's 50% Mandate.
These are assumptions, if they are off the mark, then I think I will go to bed and hide under the covers for the rest of my life.
A portion of those people simply voted for Bush
because of his stance on taxes and tax breaks.
Based on the perception he is the best man for fighting the war on Terror.
Because they have been Republicans for some time and have yet to see these are not the Republicans they think they are.
Because they simply voted against Democrats on principle.
Because they perceive that the left and Democrats are not strong on faith. In many respects, *They* feel threatened.
Because they bought into the anti-Kerry rhetoric.
Because they want to follow a perceived winner.
Due to the hard right faith ideals presented by the president couple with the radical right cleric's endorsements.
Because they are as much neo-cons as those in office.
And don't forget big business and others.
Finally there are a thousand more reasons. Many of those reasons above are based on reality not hitting the voter's mindset as yet.
As things sour, I think the 59 million in spirit will reduce quickly. Yes there are those crazies out there, but for a lot of those Republican voters, they are just average folks working on the best data they are capable of assimiliating.
As a mandate, I really do not think the Bush voters are actually as united as many would suggest. Organized yes, but in the end, not united. They are as diverse as we are.
Separating blue from red STATES would be much more convenient.
Yeah. We'll just start rounding up all those rednecks in upstate New York, loading them on boxcars, and hauling them to Alabama.
Or, this being America, we could just drive them like cattle.
You're not really paying attention, are you?
I have thought of WH'ho as a man, but it makes much more sense for her to be a woman.
and it is interesting how one tends to assign a sex to a commenter.
charley - look, that isn't going to happen. surely you know that. that is as big a fantasy as a real revolution with guns is.
the only way to do this is through a lot of hard work. sorry, it just is.
first of all, we need to get our election process cleaned up. there may be more interest in the general population for this issue than y'all realize. A lot of people have complained to me about the process. Very few seem to trust it anymore. I think it's doable.
Get a clue people, Dumbocrats are done. First is removing Fillabusters, Supremes are gonna be our people, and Patriot III is coming.
Get in line an shut up and support our leader.
"jasin, you've entered the Twilight Zone.
Get the fuck out of here."
Hey, FUCK YOU. Tell me one thing I've said that isn't true, dipshit.
I swear to God, so many of the Eschaton regulars are such whiny little bitches; every time somebody says something they don't like, they tell them to "get the fuck out".
It is a sign of a weak intellect if you can't tolerate ANY dissenting opinion.
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John "Guns, God, and Gays" Thune is on CNN's Capital Gang.
Oh joy.
"Bush will lead the world to salivation".
Am I the only one with a dirty mind?
sorry - not charley, jasin.
Tena, I tried telling you long ago that WH'Ho was just that. He ALWAYS explains that you just don't understand his job and how everything you hear comes from the MSM. He's a whore. The only difference is when he posts here he doesn't get paid up front. He justs wants you to think kindly of him and his fellow hookers. At some point you have to ask yourself why and then come to the conclusion that he is just a whore. You don't owe him any slack and if he wants to go off in a huff, FUCK HIM. He isn't doing you any good at all. You don't need to see his side. He is a damn reporter, he shouldn't have a side. If he is doing his job he shouldn't have anything to explain . Notice how much he likes to tell you that you are wrong. Since when did an honest reporter need to tell you that you just didn't understand their job? Only when the facts make them whores. I remember a poster that claimed on Counterspin to be a Whitehouse insider that never said anything more important than whom had the keys to the exicutive washroom. When called on the bullshit they made a big deal about how they didn't have time to explain the difference between a reporter and a journalist and I was just an ignorant hick. When asked to explain, even by private email, I never heard back from them and they never posted on Counterspin again. WH'Ho is just that and that bullshit about possibly losing his job posting here was just that, BULLSHIT.
Somebody, please help me.
It's a good thing when you admit you have a problem. I've been telling you that for a long time.
MSU is continuing to kick #5 Wisconsin's butt.
John "Guns, God, and Gays" Thune is on CNN's Capital Gang.
Oh joy.
Glad to hear you are on our side. Thune is a good man.
Re: Biography vs Art - How 'bout the fact that Miles Davis was a wife beater? Does that preclude women from enjoying his music?
theodoric - not to mention all the rednecks in Maine.
People talk like in the blue states every single voter voted for Democrats.
Now that really is stupid.
EkCenTrik,
I think you're on to something there, really. But if the campaign didn't help, what will?
Get a clue people, Dumbocrats are done. First is removing Fillabusters, Supremes are gonna be our people, and Patriot III is coming.
Get in line an shut up and support our leader.
Shut up? Why Freeper?
""Yeah. We'll just start rounding up all those rednecks in upstate New York, loading them on boxcars, and hauling them to Alabama.""
No straw men. That's not what I said. I said they could leave if they WANTED to.
I don't actually think this "divorce" is going to happen; but it could, if people would wise up. I've yet to hear one good reason why it shouldn't.
Countries do break up. It almost happened here in 1860s, it happened to Germany, it happened to USSR. What on earth makes you so sure it couldn't happen here?
Or we can just stand pat. Hope you all enjoy fascism.
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Jasin:
...we have basically no chance of ever getting a fair election again.
Fuck you.
jasin sez:
Hey, FUCK YOU. Tell me one thing I've said that isn't true, dipshit.
Incog, is that you?
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Sac666 - You are absolutely right. I agree completely.
Texas is going blue again. I love it.
Tena
Maybe I am wrong, but as someone that lives north of the mason/dixon line -- texas going democrat isn't a great achievement. Actually, our current situation is a result of the "slave states" and other southern democrats finally voting for the republican agenda that they actually supported all along. I remember, as a kid, asking my father to explain how McGovern could lose so bad to Nixon, after all, there were more democrats than republicans. My father's reply was that southern democrats were just republicans that were still pissed off at Lincoln and all the carpet-bagging that went on after the civil war. To someone from the other side of the mason/dicon line, texas supporting the democratic party would be a great thing -- but it has never been a bastion of liberalism. Please don't take that wrong or as an insult. I am just saying, tena, that I hope you are right and that this time -- the blue state of texas will stay in step with the rest of us blues.
Countries do break up. It almost happened here in 1860s, it happened to Germany, it happened to USSR. What on earth makes you so sure it couldn't happen here?
Jesus Christ.
i am not advocating violence, i am advocating standing up in mass and saying fuck you, enough is enough. we don't accept this. that will probably be met with violence. and if so, so be it. i owe no allegiance to america. i am a little concerned about the terrorism issue and the antecedents that have promulgated its popularity.
"tin soldiers and nixons com'n we are finally on our own, this summer i hear the drum'n, four dead in ohio"
blogs are great and probably make a difference, i was much more impressed with the RNC protests
i'm just saying we need to be vocal, visible, and loud. i hear about a protest i can get too, i'm there with my camera.
(excellent photo by the angryfinger) best anti war photo i have ever seen.
EkCenTrik spot on. Of course the DLC will use the "moral values" (mis)explanation of the election results, so eagerly seized on by both the far right and the DLC (that is, the far right of the Democratic Party) as proof that we need to do what they've been telling us to do for 20 years. But these things are always overdetermined. Considering that Bush's extraordinarily high popularity from September 2001 through the middle of 2003 was based entirely on the "War on Terra," it stands to reason that his victory was a lingering vestige of this: enough soccer moms (and dads) in the ex-urbs still voting on security, and we haven't been able to break their stranglehold on this yet, despite the debacle in Mess O' Potamia. Yes, the evangelicals were motivated, but that's hardly the whole story. Bush got 9-10 million more votes than in 2000, and it wasn't just the far religious right.
-- Stu
Yeah, Germany broke up and people couldn't visit their families from East to West and vice versa.
Stop that stupid seditious talk. It isn't going to happen and don't you dare accuse me of being complacent. Instead of spinning impossible fantasies I'm actually working on the problem.
And Tena, obviously I know that not every person in the blue states voted for Kerry.
Give me some credit, for Christ's sake.
There were probably some communists in West Germany, too. So what? I'm sure the West Germans would have rather had Germany split into two than for the whole damn country to be communist.
We are in a similar situation today. If things stay as they are, the whole country will be "red", Bush & co. will be in charge PERMANENTLY, and we really will have to start fleeing.
At least we won't have to worry about coming up with a winning electoral strategy, since there won't be elections any more.
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Bush will lead the world to salivation.
Salivation. Yeah. People will start looking at each other for their next meal.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 6:46 pm | #
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Go rent the french movie "delicatessen". It's a happy parable about a rooming house in a fairy-tale, post apocalypse Paris, that, strangely, never runs out of meat. Even better that it's french; sometimes we hate what is most like ourselves.
What better time than now for the Dems to drop the DLC?!
charley - I'm sorry I addressed that comment above to you - I goofed.
charley, Incog, jasin, anonymous...
Mustang Sally,
See this is where I get troubled. What do you do when someone is so awful that you just shudder to think of it? (Joyce, FWIW, was icky, not awful.) Beating women is a good example. Darryl Hannah says Jackson Browne beat her. Jackson Browne?!?! I think it's good to be aware of these things, but I admit I have a hard time separating the work from the life.
I swear to God, so many of the Eschaton regulars are such whiny little bitches; every time somebody says something they don't like, they tell them to "get the fuck out".
You noticed this too -- they expect EVERYBODY to be open-minded to what they have to say, but if you don't agree with them 100% on EVERTHING they tell you is right -- they tell you to "go cheney yourself." The scary thing is that many of these characters actually think that they are the salvation and future of the democratic party. Don't get me wrong, overall, I enjoy the comments and Atrios' site -- but I have noticed this too. How about the fact we have a confessed name-stealer and no one has said a word, yet at least one thread earlier today acted like "accidently" using an "important person's" handle with a different email address and homepage) is some type of crime.
jasin, we used to call people like you agents provacateurs. 9 times out of 10 they were paid by the government. The remaining 1 was just stupid.
Incog, is that you?
No
Re: Texas Democrats. Two words:
Sam Rayburn
Go rent the french movie "delicatessen".
Think I'll pass on that one.
And for fuck's sake, don't give the fundies any more ideas.
i was in mcgoverns house once. he wasn't home, freind of a freind. used his chainsaw tho.
once when i was 16 we out ran the cops in my freinds chevelle. we hid out in agnews neighborhood. indian hills.
"them fkn' indians got nuth'n on me." eddie vedder.
Tena:
El Paso Election results
Almost, or bluer than, Travis.
Texas is going blue again. I love it.
Tena
Dream on Blue-per! Sorry, but Texas is, as Sammy Hagar would say, RED!!!
Four more:
Barbara Jordan
Ann Richards
charley, Incog, jasin, anonymous...
pie
Not my style to post under other names.
NYMary
The only thing I was trying to illustrate with very bad typing was we all discuss the Republican vote as if they are each a Borg in a main hive. So goes one in thinking, so go the many. I do not accept that simply because I know many diferent Bush voters. None makes me afraid for my safety, though a few make me worry about my back pocket. I expect that as time goes by in the next year, as long as things are downhill, they will slowly come about. A good portion of the folks are actually sane people. Unless we assist the neo-cons and radical right into whipping up a holy civil war here, I do not think it will happen. My concern and depression is about the damage that Bush is generating in just about every facet of the national life and world at large. And ultimately it is the bare bones fact that we have killed for very little reason, allowed lies and bogus data to shore it up and we are still at it. I wish to hell to see this President stand up and with full faculty and give a huge Mea Culpa. Then we start working out how to really solve all these problems. It is a dream that will not happen, so we have to grit our teeth and let entropy increase enough that people get their game on finally and ask the questions and demand the answers.
What better time than now for the Dems to drop the DLC?!
NEWSFLASH: Join the GOP now while you have time to redeem yourself from the Dumbocratic mind melt.
Not my style to post under other names
Better not be. You're sounding all the same, although it's possible that you have been victimized.
Either that or you're nuts.
"Stop that stupid seditious talk. It isn't going to happen and don't you dare accuse me of being complacent. Instead of spinning impossible fantasies I'm actually working on the problem."
By "actually working on the problem" you mean, working within a system that is rigged against you. Good luck with that.
I'm "seditious"? Fuck yes, I am. As someone before posted, I owe America no allegiance. What you are saying expresses a fascist, nationalist attitude.
This is one of the major problems with liberals (as opposed to leftists). They keep playing a game that is SET UP to make them lose, instead of trying to change the game altogether.
I hate to break this to you, but the good ol' US of A will NOT be around forever. To think otherwise is completely irrational. The only question is how and when it will end.
My way is peaceful and progressive.
Or, we could let the right continue the march toward fascism, start World War III, and take our chances.
And I'm the "agent provacateur"? IF I were a conservative, I would tell the Democratic party to keep doing exactly what it's doing.
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mind melt
Does that come with cheddar or swiss?
Texas is going blue again. I love it.
Tena
Dream on Blue-per! Sorry, but Texas is, as Sammy Hagar would say, RED!!!
Anonymous
Damn Straight Anony. The only Blue-per states are Cali-fucked-up-nia and Taxachewshits
jasin, we used to call people like you agents provacateurs. 9 times out of 10 they were paid by the government. The remaining 1 was just stupid.
Oops! I miskeyed my identity -- it should have been Dr. Stupid. Silly me -- I am jsut starting the Mavis Beacon Does Typing CD.
Hmmm, well I have to say I've met very scary republicans. Small towners (my hometown, especially) can get REAL violent REAL fast. I've seen it many times in taverns and on the streets.
If it doesn't fit the norm, there's a good chance your ass will be kicked eventually.
Everyone, I noticed it 4L15 here on the West coast, so it's time for your serving of vague Josh Marshall bullshit.
Any hired-gun who worked for John Kerry and is now publicly -- subtly or not so subtly -- slipping a shiv in his back: that's someone the Democratic party can do without. Clear the decks.
-- Josh Marshall
The movie that John Huston did of the story is also transcendent.
Tena
That was my friend's last film.
By the way, I have drunk the Lakoff koolaid enough to believe he is absolutely right about one thing: even if they are stupid (and Lord knows I forwarded that chart of IQ's in blue vs. red states to a few people), it's terrible strategy to say so, even to think so. That is, it doesn't help us get around the problem. There was a very good diary on Kos a couple days ago on this. Here it is.
When you tell people facts that don't fit what they want to believe, they just bounce off -- and it isn't just stupid people who do this. Czeslaw Milosz makes this point brilliantly in a very different time, place, and situation in Captive Mind. We do err in our Enlightenment-spawned confidence in the power of logic to sway people once they have swallowed the (or I should say anyone of the many different strains of the) Pill of Murti-Bing.
Echilles & who you respond to, there is plenty of range. Lying, vandalism and screaming is what is not tolerated. There are plenty of people who disagree with us here and you don't see us getting banned and deleted like every dissenting voice at Free Republic, Misha's or LGF does.
NY Mary,
Have sort of funny story to tell, which as a Joyce aficionado, you'll probably appreciate. My father, the most literal minded person I've ever known, has never read for pleasure. Doesn't enjoy fiction. Decided now that he was retired to try it. Asked someone who recommended Ulysses?!
Sometime later I received a frantic call, which surprised me a bit as we're not close. Went at once, of cuss, to be met with a demand that I explain how he was to comprehend this book which he had been assured was a masterpiece.
Myth, allegory, stream of consciousness, puzzles...my father hates them all. And here he and Ulysses were, very much not on the same or even recognizably similar pages.
I know hopeless when I see it. I substituted a nice NEJM, promised to return to discuss Iraq and the latest on heart disease...
Sort of wish I'd known about the copraphilia. He'd have enjoyed that.
What you are saying expresses a fascist, nationalist attitude.
You are not listening.
Jasin: Grow up.
NYMary - I know - that accusation has bothered me no end - I like a lot of his stuff and I don't like that at all. And that is what Frost apparently was guilty of as well.
Any hired-gun who worked for John Kerry and is now publicly -- subtly or not so subtly -- slipping a shiv in his back: that's someone the Democratic party can do without. Clear the decks.
-- Josh Marshall
Told ya, the Dummycrats are history. Done. Crispy bacon. Ready for the trash heap of history.
"Jasin: Grow up."
Again, what is with the intolerance for anyone who disagrees? It's not like I'm coming in here spouting right-wing bullshit. I supported and voted for Kerry; I have the same goals you all do, just a different opinion on the best means to achieve them.
If someone says something you disagree with, say why. Make an argument. Why is it that so many of the Eschaton regulars immediately resort to ad hominems when confronted with a differing opinion? That is the primary tactic of the Right.
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Bush Rocks
You better hope we all do not join the GOP. We just all move over politicians and voter. Now which one of the 115 million or so voters are actualy Democrats and Liberals in disguise?
Hmmm..
And don't discount the effect of having moderate conservatives being embolden by realizing they also have many, many allies for at least centrist postions versus their redical counterparts.
Arrgh. Italics got away from me and I didn't even know it. But how could I?
-- Stu
mind melt
Does that come with cheddar or swiss?
-pie
I prefer provolone myself.
And yes pie, I am thoroughly enjoyed the 49-14 ASS STOMPING my alma matter MSU put on Wisconsin.
Badgers..... PFFFFFFFFT.
NYMary,
Artists, as a general rule, are sons of bitches in the worst way. It's the height of arrogance to even assume the rest of the world wants to read your twaddle or listen to your mewlings. And if you want to make anything close to a living at it, you have to be a stone cold bastard. Steal and steal freely, be it another artist's thinly veiled idea or the very lifeblood of existence.
Artists aren't right in the head, either. You've got to be a little cracked. I defy you to find a musician or a writer - and I mean a real one, not "someone who writes or plays guitar" - that isn't out where the buses don't run. The sane artist doesn't exist. Even having that teeny, tiny, miniscule sliver of Truth artists are touching with their fingertips kicks up some serious static.
But, artists are also people, and people are fallible. People are flawed. Just like it's acceptable to not hire a plumber who's a convicted child molester for a single job, it's perfectly acceptable to say you can't listen/read/enjoy an artist because of things he or she might have done or might advocate.
But it's pretty goddamn tough. I have a visceral loathing for wife beaters, but I'm a massive fan of both Jerry Lee Lewis and Ike Turner. I just wouldn't wanna spend any time around them. That's why artist's noterity is seperate from the actual art, unless of course the "art" is the noterity. The art matters, not the artist. They're just a conduit.
Or to paraphrase Townes Van Zandt, it's all for the sake of the song.
NY Mary:
I think it's good to be aware of these things, but I admit I have a hard time separating the work from the life.
I have the same problem. Using the supposition that character is defined by actions, I find it perplexing to appreciate the art for it's own sake...I think I experience a bit of cognitive dissonance when listening to "Kind of Blue" or "A Love Supreme."
THEORY
Attention OH
How bizarre that the last county reporting in OH would have a fake terror alert to keep out outside observers. Being last to report, Warren County officials knew how many provisional ballots there were. So on directions from ROVE they padded Bush's totals by some thousands to make it seem that Bush had an insurmountable lead. One that could'nt be made up by those provisionals, thus discouraging any doubts about the outcome of OH. Bush got around 18,000 more votes there in 2004 than he did in 2000.Some precincts in Warren County recorded voting rates at more than 80% of registered voters, a very high number.So by handing Bush those extra votes they were clinching OH and putting him over 270 electorates - delivering him the presidency.
Warren County Commisioner Pat South - who is she? WC officials said an FBI agent told them that Warren County ranked a "10" on a terrorism scale. However, state and federal homeland security officials said Tuesday they were unaware of any specific threat against the county. Why the fuck would Warren County rank a 10 for terrorism? What bullshit! Pat South needs to be called on it hard!
An update: I heard they're now claiming it was a threat of domestic terrorism . Total BS!
Sent her an e-mail. You should too.
To Pat South,
I want to see the documentation you received from the FBI stating that Warren County was under a high terrorism threat on election night, justifying the banning of outside observers from watching the vote counting process.Please release this information to the public.Thank You.
E-Mail:
soutpa@co.warren.oh.us
Send law enforcement to question her about the FBI face to face contact. It is possible that someone impersonated an FBI employee. If she files a false report, that is seriously criminal. If an FBI impersonator is found,that would be too. Lets see if she can produce the written warnings she claims to have received.
Jeebus, where'd I learn how to use grammer all of a sudden.
I look like I graduated from a the University of Cracker Jacks.
I prefer provolone myself.
Yum.
I give up. Fuck it.
You better hope we all do not join the GOP. We just all move over politicians and voter. Now which one of the 115 million or so voters are actualy Democrats and Liberals in disguise?
To be in the GOP you need to support the platform. Liberalism is dead, so get with the program that conservatives rock.
And for fuck's sake, don't give the fundies any more ideas.
What?
Echilles & who you respond to, there is plenty of range. Lying, vandalism and screaming is what is not tolerated. There are plenty of people who disagree with us here and you don't see us getting banned and deleted like every dissenting voice at Free Republic, Misha's or LGF does.
kei & yuri
I would not visit those sites -- so you do have a valid point, but things are sometimes a matter of degree rather than in black and white. I was just trying to express that I have seen people jump all over those that are mostly in agreement over really stupid things. Sure, this is partially the result of text-based, impersonal communication. I do like to occasionally point out that I need to respect others expression of opinions if want to work with them for change. I still think that is a valid point, especially when we are being told that those of us that do not support chimpy are in the "minority."
Steve and Tena - Scientists are now saying that the reason so many artists have very bad personal lives is that their right hemisphere frontal lobes tend to be their dominant cerebral area. For most people, it's the left side. The right side is more creative, but also more emotional. When someone becomes depressed, and I mean clinically depressed, there is more activity in their right side than on their left.
Could it be that art and difficult people are just victims of different brain chemistry?
Old Hat, you should have faith in Josh. Behold, he hath promised and promised forty thousand things of such exceeding greatness, that when he delivereth, Salt Lake City will be as the Dimrak on a Saturday Night, and the Salt Lake itself like the harbor at Amsterdam.
However, there will be no dispensing of beads for flashing, because it's stupid, trendy, inspires litter and a choking hazard.
jasin
What you are saying expresses a fascist, nationalist attitude.
Again, what is with the intolerance for anyone who disagrees?
jasin, darling.
Get a fucking grip.
It's not like I'm coming in here spouting right-wing bullshit.
No, you spout adolescent left wing bullshit, like this:
I'm "seditious"? Fuck yes, I am. As someone before posted, I owe America no allegiance. What you are saying expresses a fascist, nationalist attitude.
Jasin, popping off your mouth in some lame attempt to "scare the old folks" isn't nearly as shocking or thought provoking as you think. In fact, it's quite dull.
So take your Che Guevarra shirt and go to Indymedia and post some bland pseudo-revolutionary junk that everyone will think is radikal chic, like you.
I've met a million trustafarians in my life, I'll meet a million more. You're a dime a dozen.
right on dissenter. Knowledge also leads to depression
Le secrétaire américain à la Défense Donald Rumsfeld a déclaré samedi que l'offensive contre le bastion sunnite de Falloujah (Irak) n'était pas terminée, tandis que les rebelles affirment que les forces américaines sont «dans l'impasse».
Rummy says that the fighting in Fallujah isn't over and the rebels there are saying that there is a stalemate?
If someone says something you disagree with, say why. Make an argument.
Guess that is not the way our future "leaders" think a dialog works. I find that rather disturbing because we will never sway voters from 1 idealistic, intollerent "know-it-all" viewpoint to a new idealistic, intollerent, "know-it-all" viewpoint. Wouldn't it be better to stand for something else.
I give up. Fuck it.
Sure. Barndog would post this.
He's a Marine, troll.
I graduated from a the University of Cracker Jacks.
You need to go to a good school. I recommend Bob Jones U.
Bush Rocks
What do we have to be circumsized or something? Is there a hazing thing going on? Secret handshake? Support the platform, sure Dude I can easily sign the loyalty oath, smile nicely at the president and gut his platform everytime I vote. I can write letters and organize and do all those things to make sure My Republican candidate or representative is put in place.
""To Pat South,
I want to see the documentation you received from the FBI stating that Warren County was under a high terrorism threat on election night, justifying the banning of outside observers from watching the vote counting process.Please release this information to the public.Thank You.""
The FBI has outright denied issuing such a warning.
This is definitely an issue for Keith Olbermann to persue. They can't get away with something so ridiculous.
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just what kind of Holy Military bears?
And speaking as a fairly progressive person living in quite possibly the reddest of red states, Georgia, I'd like to go on record that I would enjoy neither being forced to move or forced to live in a country that allowed only one ideology, be it left or right. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, as a wise man once said.
And if you think splitting a country as large as this one into seperately controlled areas on one landmass isn't a really bad idea, you're smoking stronger stuff than I am.
OK, first, anyone whose political perspectives are based on who"rocks" and who doesn't is so hopelessly beyond logic, there's no point.
sdf, Thanks for the link. Me and my stupid Enlightenment assumptions. (See above.)
I think I can take a lot from an artist, really. I mean, it's not mine to take, really. But certainly there are a number of genuine psychotic genuises (Shane MacGowan and Robert Pollard spring to mind) whose lives I am quite grateful to have no connection with, but whose CDs I consume avidly.
But for a lot of us, the gender violence thing is really problematic, because beating the woman in your life was not considered so "out there" until quite recently, but I for one find it deeply troubling.
What do we have to be circumsized or something? Is there a hazing thing going on? Secret handshake? Support the platform, sure Dude I can easily sign the loyalty oath, smile nicely at the president and gut his platform everytime I vote. I can write letters and organize and do all those things to make sure My Republican candidate or representative is put in place.
EkCenTrik,
It is your patriotic doodie to support the President in this time of war.
Thune didn't have much to say. Just smiled and batted his baby blues.
I don't actually think this "divorce" is going to happen; but it could, if people would wise up. I've yet to hear one good reason why it shouldn't.
ok, I'm going to give you one (more) good reason why it shouldn't.
Because it wouldn't solve a goddamn thing. Alabama is 40% Democratic, and Oregon is 40% Republican.
You claim to understand the explanations why this is a stupidass idea, with such vehemence that you make it clear you take it as an insult that anyone would suggest that you don't, and then you turn around and make the same thoroughly ignorant proposal everyone else has been making.
I've got to give you credit for this: For about a week now I've been trying to argue against different people who keep proposing the same stupidass idea. You are the first one who seems to have attracted universal disdain.
Now relax, take your medicine, and keep reading. Eventually you'll figure out what you're claiming you already understand.
To maintain the artistic tone, has anyone noticed that the news from Ohio is beginning to resemble Finnegan's Wake?
"just what kind of Holy Military bears?"
Salvation Army, silly.
We have to read and enjoy or reject authors based on our very best effort to discern the ring of authenticity that we find, or don't find, in their works. I think it's a fairly good principle of literary criticism to judge a work -- whether a novel or essay or blog entry -- for the truth we see in it, without insisting on wondering about (or being titillated by) the author's personal life. I personally don't think, for example, that Clinton's paragraph in history should be subject to automatic invalidation because of something that happened in his personal life, however indiscrete or frivolous. I think that true art is true art because it is able to take flight away from and above its creator and becomes .. a thing unto itself.
And, you know what? [I love this modern phrase, which means 'Watch out, I'm gonna say something, and I don't really care what you think.'] But, you know what, this train of thought is not unrelated to my annoyance with the species Trollus horribilis that has been with us so much lately. For some reason there came to mind the phrase "The poor will always be with us" and I pretty much decided that this is also true of T. horribilis.
But while we may choose to feed the poor, I don't think it follows that we must feed the trolls. I know, it's hard. It's hard work ignoring them. But it's the only way. We wouldn't want to impose some sort of exclusivity. We're just left with the burden of discerning the ring of authenticity in what we read and letting all the rest sort of ... drift away.
Now watch me make this next Old Fashioned. Cheers, Eschatonians.
OK, first, anyone whose political perspectives are based on who"rocks" and who doesn't is so hopelessly beyond logic, there's no point.
So are you saying that your collegues at DU are beyond logic? Glad you admit it. Dems are beyond logic.
I however am completely logical. Bush is president cuz it makes sense.
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I doubt the divorce thing would work for a number of reasons. Consider this: it happens, then each country tries to persuade people in the other country to change parties. Time passes. New people get the vote. Presto, we have two countries that are equally divided.
Backslider-
Damn, you can write!
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clio,
That was funny.
You can buy your dad Stuart Gilbert's accompanying text on Ulysses for Christmas. Joyce helped him write it. But if your dad doesn't like text-as-game, there may be no point.
He could also try warming up to Ulysses with A Portrait.
pie, don't start with me.
look i am just a little pissed that we have a bonafide war criminal for a president. i am not a democrat, i have never voted until this year. politics has always seemed a banal sport to me. i watch with interest, but don't really care.
well this year i cared. because it is that important. as a philosopher from fordhamm (SP) once told me "charley, it really doesn't matter what you think" but it does matter what the 56 million who voted for kerry think. hell, most of them didn't even like him. which i assume means they like the idea of fascism even less. well that's what we have with little georgie. so if ya want to just sit back an decide what is the best way to go for the democrats then i say you're missing the boat. and america is fucked. but that's pretty much the way i've always seen it. who said "the more things change, the more they stay the same"
It's been a trying and stressful day. About 10 a.m. - I get a phone call from my Marine Bro, Bones. He sez 'call me back at this number, I'm screwed'. He and his wife were on their way from S. Dakota to Ocreanside, CA for a book signing tommorrow at Barnes & Noble. (thats Camp Pendleton in case you didn't know). He's written a book called 'Morning Coffee' - about life and the Marines, and how the two kind of intertwine.
Their car broke down in a blizzard in Santa Fe, right around White Sands testing range last night. They spent 9 hours in their car and damm near froze to death. If it hadn't been for a passing Army reservist, they may have died. He took them to a motel where he had only my number and his folk's in his wallet. (his folks are in their 80's)
Anyways, I began emailing and searching for phone numbers of Marines we know online, and started the ball rolling. Bones and his wife don't have alot of money, so they were on a string in the first place going to California.
About an hour later, I had people in contact with him, and had money in the process of being wired to them, and their car being towed off the mountain. His wife's medication was in the car (diabetic, and rheumatoid arthritis) - he's no physical specimen either. His knees are wasted from the Marines and he has a cyst in his head close to his brain stem that the VA won't help him out for shit with. I forget what it's called.
I got off the phone with him about an hour ago. The stress has finally broken, and we were laughing about how this resembled Chevy Chase's "Vacation" when the car dove off the end of the road around White Sands.
So, yeah... the stress level has been a little high today. I may need a beer.
I'm just grateful and very thankful that he and his wife are safe and warm. If it wasn't for the internets and a couple of Marines - I'd be going to a pair of funerals in Rapid City, South Dakota.
Not something I would really enjoy.
Hell the republican party has already been infiltrated by the neocons. Old liberals with a taste for kosher food and Wilsonian world view.
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Echilles
Englush please?
charley, if you "owe no allegiance to america", just what are you fighting for?
I believe I do owe something. It's not what the current admin is all about. They are not America and I will never accept that. I AM AN AMERICAN. The current admin DOES NOT represent me or ANYTHING I was ever taught. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK. I will fight them until I die or they do. I WILL NOT GO AWAY.
Is it 2008 yet?
Tena
Being an old time game theory guy, the backlash you are waiting for probably won't occur until 2012, half way into the Jeb Bush "Presidency".
NYMary,
I can dig that. Like I said, I got a visceral loathing for spouse abusers, and it comes from a very real place. And there are times when the very ingrained misogyny of blues, country and rock & roll bothers me. But for that, art is a mirror for life, and some parts of life are pretty fuckin' ugly.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with disliking an artist because of his/her personal failings, and there's nothing wrong with airing out this dirty laundry if it needs to be aired. What's wrong is thinking that our refusal to listen to, read or appreciate an scumbag artist changes anything about the art or the person's actions apart from what's prescribed by law.
Beyond that, what can you do beyond what feels right? And that's all that really matters in the long run.
dissenter - Inasmuch as the physical body is chemistry, yeah, that makes some sense. I know that the different lobes control different things. I know the right lobe controls visual arts. I think some people are indeed born with that area already being affected to control everything, and that must be chemistry. I don't know if it is reducible to chemistry solely. Some people are born with it and never take the courage to be a bastard and just do it. There is still some free will involved.
Why does Catholic priest and author (someone who has often criticized the church, including on their medieval protectionist stance over the child molestation thing) Andrew Greeley hate America?
Our task in Falluja is not yet complete. There are still some mosques left standing.
look i am just a little pissed that we have a bonafide war criminal for a president. i am not a democrat, i have never voted until this year. politics has always seemed a banal sport to me. i watch with interest, but don't really care.
I agree. Thank God the war criminal liar KErry lost. I am not a Dumbocrat either.
To be in the GOP you need to support the platform.
I have a flat piece of plastic I wear on my head so that the President can put his O'Doul's on it while I'm blowing him.
It is your patriotic doodie to support the President in this time of war.
Bush Rocks
Bush Doodies. Is that like Woot Boobies?
spork_incident,
You're too kind. It's all stuff and nonesense, anyway.
Nevermore,
I basically agree, but I would separate artists from public figures generally. Though is is true that anytime after Byron you get the whole artist-as-rock-star idea, which complicates things.
And I promise to feed the poor, not the trolls. (That was great)
What's up with you and that raven? I've always wondered....
(cue violin soundtrack)
And speaking as a fairly progressive person living in quite possibly the reddest of red states, Georgia, I'd like to go on record that I would enjoy neither being forced to move or forced to live in a country that allowed only one ideology...
Backslider
read by Billy Bob Thornton
from Ken Burn's Civil War II
(coming Christmas 2015)
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I have a flat piece of plastic I wear on my head so that the President can put his O'Doul's on it while I'm blowing him.
Bush Rocks
Name stealer. I didn't write that.
Bush Rocks
So exactly when do I stop supporting this president. Was it before the war started? I was against it. Is it after the war when he has destroyed the country? I ain't waiting.
Patriotism is not simply blindly following a creed. That creed must be valid. Agree or not, for those of us who believe this president is wrong and not competent in his actions, it would be unpatriotic for us to stand by and let the damage happen without at least exercising our vote to remove him and sharing our opinion. If you were not simply trolling and having some sadistic fun, I would respect your opinion, we can be in disagreement and still following a shared principle. But that isn't what you want. You want to WIN WIN WIN. This isn't football, real people are dying and there is no end in sight.
winsome,
If my words are ever considered important enough to be included in the annals of history, I'd hope I'd rate someone better than that one-hit-wonder faux-cracker.
Al, where does Ziggy say I am now??
AL?
EkCenTrik
Sam?
Sam, I can't see you ...
Sam?
/imaging chamber door shutting
Being an old time game theory guy, the backlash you are waiting for probably won't occur until 2012, half way into the Jeb Bush "Presidency".
George Johnston
Why? By then we will be so firmly entrenched there will be no dissent. Can't wait.
With my election to the presidency democrats controlled everything. Now, with help from the true believers here, we control nothing.
Kiss it!
"Jasin, popping off your mouth in some lame attempt to "scare the old folks" isn't nearly as shocking or thought provoking as you think. In fact, it's quite dull. "
I can assure you, this is not what I am trying to do. If I wanted to do that, I would write a letter to the editor of my local paper or something like that. Actually, I chose to post on Eschaton b/c there are a lot of people here who actually are receptive to RATIONALLY discussing things with those they disagree with.
I have given you absolutely no reason to conclude that I am trying to "shock" or "scare" people. You are completely unjustified in attributing those motives to me.
If you are the type of person who thinks that to be "radical" is tantamount to being immature, then I don't know what to say. I assume most people do not make this identification. I suppose Noam Chomsky is immature too? That he is trying to "scare the old people"? How about Dennis Kucinich? Him too, right?
Anyone who would view left-wing extremism as analogous to right-wing extremism is dangerously uninformed about political philosophy.
Is the only valid perspective here the moderate center-left Josh Marshall one?
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Backslider,
that was lazy of me. Your choice.
Barndog, glad to hear it all worked out. Yup, thank God for the internets. And good samaritans on the road.
Patriotism is not simply blindly following a creed. That creed must be valid.
But the creed is VALID. Bin Laden attacked us. Should we just sit on our hands and be diplomatic?
No, we gotta wipe them out. Only thing they understand.
Well, Carl Sagan's dead.
"Bin Laden attacked us. Should we just sit on our hands and be diplomatic?"
First thing you said I agree with.
Now why are we bogged and I mean bogged down in Iraq?
With my election to the presidency democrats controlled everything. Now, with help from the true believers here, we control nothing.
The Clinton legacy. Total and complete GOP control.
But the creed is VALID.
OK, numbnuts, recite the creed for us, and then we can discuss it.
Barndog, glad to hear it all worked out. Yup, thank God for the internets. And good samaritans on the road.
Democrats often complain about the lefty "firing squad" mentality. And it's true that some leftists are guilty of this.
But on the blog, anyway, it is by far the "liberals", not the leftists, who do not tolerate any deviation from the acceptable dogma.
This is not a good strategy. Many of us on the left made a compromise and supported John Kerry. If we hadn't, the election wouldn't have been as close as it was. You don't want to alienate us.
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Any hired-gun who worked for John Kerry and is now publicly -- subtly or not so subtly -- slipping a shiv in his back: that's someone the Democratic party can do without. Clear the decks.
What an odd coincidence. A man named John Kerry slipped a shiv in the back of a bunch of Democrats the morning after the election.
Kei & Yuri -
Before I forget.. Thank You for the Marine birthday wishes the other night.
I was busy with a couple of Marines, a big pot of shit on a shingle and a bunch of beer. I didn't see it until the next morning, thru an alcohol induced haze.
I appreciate it very much.
Semper FI
Oh please, let me bareback the a-bomb as we annihilate the Middle East.
hell, most of them didn't even like him.
Yeah, that's why we all stood in line to vote for him, charley.
Don't lecture me about voting. I do it every chance I get.
Now why are we bogged and I mean bogged down in Iraq?
So that the terrorists know:
A. We mean business
B. The war occurs over there as opposed to here. Get all the lunatics into Iraq and let our soldiers give them hell.
Barndog,
their car broke down in a blizzard in Santa Fe, right around White Sands testing range last night.
Why would you make up that story? There was no snow storm at the White Sands missle range. Alamogordo is about 15 miles from there, and while it is raining, the lows are 40 degrees or so.
Santa Fe is no where near White Sands. While it is snowing in Santa Fe with lows in the 20's, it is 228 miles between the two.
Bin Laden attacked us. Should we just sit on our hands and be diplomatic?
No, we gotta wipe them out. Only thing they understand.
Oh, that again...gotta get Bin Laden.
I thought your fellow that "ROCKS!" dropped that during the campaign, as he did during his first four years.
Get with the program, son.
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You don't want to alienate us.
Yeah, keep up the threats.
That'll get you what, exactly?
Bush Rocks
Yeah, I thought you would say something like that. What a waste, what a waste.
That was an incredible comment about T. Horribilus.
You know, in the debate over whether art stands alone from the artist, even if you think is does not, in the end, art wins anyway. We wouldn't give a damn about these various people's lives if they had not created great art.
What an odd coincidence. A man named John Kerry slipped a shiv in the back of a bunch of Democrats the morning after the election.
Nolk
Kerry is a loyal Bonesman, and he did the work we needed for complete GOP domination. We can't thank him enough.
"the founding fathers ensured that the executive would be imbued with the power to respond... president bush has risen up to the scourge of terrorism... blah, blah, blah... " j. ashcroft. all in that melodramatic bluster affected by every baptists preacher i have ever seen.
fuck that, somebody tell me i'm wrong. tell me you feel safer today?
tell me george W. bush has not exacebated the conditions that foment 'terrorism'.
and he's done a lot of other bad things too. and he's not done yet. an tena i can't even contemplate the horrors i envision by 2008.
'course i could just be paranoid. that's what they said about hemingway.
A common, tired liberal tactic is to dismiss anyone to the left of Howard Dean or Eric ALtermann as "immature", or as "Che Guevara-T-shirt wearing", etc. etc.
Again, why the ad hominems? I am not a hairy, sandal-wearing college kid. Guess what: not all leftists are! In fact, what is called the "left" here is actually a mainstream viewpoint in some other countries.
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From Josh "Tectonic Shift" Marshall:
Like many who share my politics I think there are more than a few reasons to oppose Alberto Gonzalez's appointment as Attorney General: his role in the Abu Ghraib scandal being the chief among them.
Having said that, there is less than no chance that he won't be approved. And presidents deserve much more latitude with cabinet appointments than appointments to the bench.
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blather, blather, blather...
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Democrats won't be able to prevent his appointment.
Questions:
1) Why?
and
2) Why?
This whole fight them over there excuse has been flaoting around for WAY too long. As if we can fight a war and create a democracy at the same time.
"Yes please Americans, come kill us with your democracy!"
This "war on terror" is not going to be won by dealing with it on the state level. You have to deal with it like any other crime. Overthrowing a country just creates more problems, and you get off track from the original goal.
Yeah, I thought you would say something like that. What a waste, what a waste.
Why? There you go again. Vague and mysterious. Tell me what your guy Gore would have done. We never hear any suggestions from him do we?
Book thread.
Many of us on the left made a compromise and supported John Kerry. If we hadn't, the election wouldn't have been as close as it was. You don't want to alienate us.
I once thought that sounded logical until I spent enough time here. While there are MANY well-intentioned, informed posters that will listen to another who agrees with them, there is the segment that seems to enjoy the "us against the world" mentality that represents chimpy's base. They won't admit it, but they don't think they need you now either. They'll be back in a few years because they do need your support, but some of them do not give a damn what you think or why you support them.
Kerry is a loyal Bonesman, and he did the work we needed for complete GOP domination. We can't thank him enough.
I Voted 4 Bush
Hey, a friend! I didn't think of that, but you might be right. Fellow Bonesmen. Good point.
Dumbass - I'm in Michigan. The last time I was in that area was in 1980 - coming home on leave.
You can believe what you want to.
Meanwhile, go fuck yourself.
Democrats often complain about the lefty "firing squad" mentality. And it's true that some leftists are guilty of this.
But on the blog, anyway, it is by far the "liberals", not the leftists, who do not tolerate any deviation from the acceptable dogma.
This is not a good strategy. Many of us on the left made a compromise and supported John Kerry. If we hadn't, the election wouldn't have been as close as it was. You don't want to alienate us.
jasin
Why do I imagine this guy wearing a fake nose and mustache? Is it his fluid use of "liberal" and "lefty"?
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Hey pie, it's not a threat, just a realistic assessment.
We've heard Dems bitching for four years about how Ralph Nader cost them the presidency. Do they ever wonder why, exactly, people were attracted to the Nader candidacy over Gore? Not a huge number of people, but enough to decide the election -- or so the Dems keep telling us.
So, by the Dems' own logic, there are enough lefties such that if they vote 3rd party, Dems lose. SO yes, you need us. You also need a lot of other demos, but we are one of them.
Just a simple fact.
"Why do I imagine this guy wearing a fake nose and mustache?"
How did you know?
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A votre santé, Tena.
Again, why the ad hominems? I am not a hairy, sandal-wearing college kid. Guess what: not all leftists are! In fact, what is called the "left" here is actually a mainstream viewpoint in some other countries.
Like, let's see, oh, Cuba? The Soviet Union?
Your ideas were discredited long ago. Here's a tip, you're paying attention to the wrong Marx. Watch Groucho and if you're gonna read from guy named Karl, go with Rove.
as for threats: the left is not as stupid as the far right. so, if the milquetoast dems want some support they will have to deliver. but what we will get is the marguis de gonzales as ag. that's what it will get us. also, welfare reform, nafta, wto, patriot act, iraq war, etc..........
Barndog - it's not healthy to hold back like that. Go ahead and tell us how you really feel.
theodoric - not to mention all the rednecks in Maine.
People talk like in the blue states every single voter voted for Democrats.
Now that really is stupid.
Tena
Maine has two men Democrat Reps and two women Republican Sens.
Hey, we're metropolitical here ...
Don't lecture me about voting
let's have rule, just between you and me. no lecturing.
Backslider sez:
Well, Carl Sagan's dead.
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I thought your fellow that "ROCKS!" dropped that during the campaign, as he did during his first four years.
Get with the program, son
I'm with the program. I'll remind you that MY side won in a landslide. We have ALL the branches of government now.
You guys, well, the Scott Petersen prosecutor might have been a Democrat, which is the only win you'll get in quite a while.
Where the hell did these "I hate Democrats" fuckwads come from?
Really makes the place smelly, and dirty.
Saturday night...lots of cross-dressing trolls here...why, why, why...
the left is not as stupid as the far right.
ROTFL!! Sure. Then tell me Einstein why Democrats can only win with Republicans like Liebermann and Clinton?
The left is insane daddy-o.
...a landslide...
and like his hero, he can't count.
i am sorry did i disrupt your weimer state of mind???
We've heard Dems bitching for four years about how Ralph Nader cost them...
What? A few people on a blog?
How many times do people have to say that Nader had little to do with the election in 2000? He had less to do in 2004. His involvement will always be a matter of interest, however.
Play the violin or get played by one.
Up to you, doll.
Where the hell did these "I hate Democrats" fuckwads come from?
I don't hate Democrats. I'm on a crusade to help all of you see the light and make America like America again. The GOP is the party of morals and vision. The Democrats are still stuck in 1932.
Bush rocks, I recommend you read up on the history of this country. Look at the corporate hatred that started this country on the road of independence. Look at how we wanted small business to flourish, but the East India Company managed to jail, deport, and even kill American entrenpeneurs.
Americans stood up and said enough. The Jeffersonian ideology took hold. Those were Democratic Republicans, later to become the Democratic party.
Your party has it's roots in the federalist party. The party of John Adams. The party of the powerful elite. The same party that passed the Alien and Sedition Acts which was used to jail a number of journalists who disagreed with President Adams policies.
Sound familiar?
NY Mary,
I, too, thought that Portrait... would have been a better choice. I still smile every time I think of my father sitting down this wonderful "fiction" and smacking into Joyce. Flattening for both of them.
Dad, of course, has only been confirmed in his idea that fiction is an impenetrable waste of time. Gently suggested something lighter, but he wants only "good, serious stuff."
Maybe Crime and Punishment? Lord knows that's serious. Honestly, though, I think it's the mindset. Maybe I should just stick to salacious gossip with abnormal-psych overtones. Never run out of that with artists.
Barndog,
Glad to hear your friends are safe. Can't keep the corps down.
Must run. Teen-ager starving in doorway. Will remind him of Poe.
I guess all the good trolls have been laid off, now that the election is over, and the ones that are left, are the ones who got the job through their daddies connections.
The quality of the trolls here, really sucks since the election.
and like his hero, he can't count.
numbby
Count again, Count Chocula. Bush received the most popular votes in history! More than Reagan. More than Nixon. Both of whom BTW won landslides.
Barndog, don't mention it: you know, we can actually insert ourselves between palcons at the scent of an approaching working party...
Jasin - what many people here don't seem to realize is that the Dems were able to capitalize on digust with Bush to rally the ABB effort behind Kerry for this election only. No matter how bad Bush is, this momentum is not going to carry over to 2008, because now disenchantment with the Democratic party is setting in. As of right now, the disgust level with the lack of any true show of opposition by the Democrats is going to be much more of a deciding factor for voters next time than is Bush incompetence. In fact, it was already an issue for this election, and is one of the major reasons that the Democrats did not sway more registered Republicans to cross over. It is far too clear that we no longer stand for much of anything, nor do we even stand much against anything. The one thing that is keeping this party going is that they have managed to successfully marginalize third parties in this country. That's it.
No. I'm not going to waste my time on a worthless fuckstick like that who reads a map on the internets - then tries to point out shit that they know nothing of or about.
Besides, what would republican trolls know about helping out someone besides themselves? A foreign subject to republicans if I ever heard of it. Let alone someone in the military, another foreign subject to trolls.
Besides - helping out those in need is a requirement of the Christian faith.
I guess that makes them 0-3.
This is the beginning of the end of the Republican Party. There are 3 disparate factions within the GOP...
The small government, limited interference in private lives, fiscal conservatives.
The pro-military pro-war anytime, anywhere group.
And the Christo-fascist fundies.
All three think they won the election and when they don't get everything they want, their heads will explode and the GOP will go into meltdown.
And we get to sit back and watch the fireworks. Stupid people can be so entertaining sometimes.
infestation of trolls.
Your party has it's roots in the federalist party. The party of John Adams. The party of the powerful elite. The same party that passed the Alien and Sedition Acts which was used to jail a number of journalists who disagreed with President Adams policies.
Sound familiar?
And we are returning to our days of glory.
Joe, your head is up your ass.
You probably kick women when they're down, too.
1) Why?
Because in order to do that, five Republicans would have to be persuaded to vote against Gonzales.
The only other possibility is that either Bush withdraws the nomination, or Gonzales himself asks to be removed from consideration.
No cabinet nomination has ever been filibustered. Kennedy threatened to filibuster Ashcroft, but it didn't happen.
Bush Rocks
Vagueness versus boondoggles.
Before I say the following, disclaimer :I did not like Bush in 2000 and still do not.
However, his foray into Afghanistan made sense. It represented a base for Al Quaeda and provided serious support to Bin Laden. I didn't like us going there, but no one likes war, but I saw the necessity.
I expected Bush then to start doing surgical strikes against the satellite stations of Al Quaeda as well as advancing diplomatic efforts to change the mind of countries supporting their camps etc. I expected Bush to go all out to get Bin Laden himself.
But then Iraq was discussed, promoted and then acted on with flimsy evidence and a great deal of evidence against it. There was no visible threat from Sadaam. When Powell gave his presentation, I expected that okay, this was the deal maker. They know things we civilians do not, but they are standing on the world stage and saying this is the definitive evidence. Even as a layman, I knew the presentation was lame as hell. I kept trying to find some way to shore up a sense that Powell must be telling us the real scoop. But time and again, it was very minimal. And despite all the world's opinion as well as many in this country, we set out to take on a country that was not involved in the terrorist war. When rhetoric was focused on downplaying the UN and pre-emptive strike was rationalized, badly by the way, I knew that we were in trouble. Now we have Al Quaeda all over hell and their influence is growing. And we are sitting on our asses tearing a country apart and doing nothing to counter the threat. We have made it worse, far worse than anyone could imagine. So tell me again how this war is helping us sir?
"How about the fact we have a confessed name-stealer and no one has said a word, yet at least one thread earlier today acted like "accidently" using an "important person's" handle with a different email address and homepage) is some type of crime."
Echilles, the answer is really very simple... I notice you've already had it explained to you in general earlier, but I'll repeat it just in case you missed it: Stealing regular posters names in order to discredit their ideas or disrupt their conversation is considered bad form, but making fun of trolls, whose only aim is to completely disrupt or destroy conversation, is considered acceptable.
Oh, there are theoretically better alternatives for handling trolls of course... But none of those, or even your own alternative would work in the current situation; How can you ignore a troll, when the main protagonist here even goes as far as calling posters at home to harass them? On any other board, the trolls would be a minor nusance... Here, in part thanks to Atrios' liberal tolerance for opposing view points (and enjoyment of their insanity), they are able to run rampant.
Now, the main obsessive about this board has a particularily strong problem with name stealing. When he's not completely imbalanced, you can usually catch him making arguments about the way the comments system here should be, in a poor attempt at reverse pyschology: I refer once more to the classic link about trolls here...
Barndog, 02:20 here and you mention SOS, damn now I have the munchies.
Your party has it's roots in the federalist party. The party of John Adams. The party of the powerful elite. The same party that passed the Alien and Sedition Acts which was used to jail a number of journalists who disagreed with President Adams policies.
I don't see any journalist disagreeing with Bush. None. So what's to worry about? Nothing.
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When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim...
Read that carefully; Why? because he actually takes some of his tactics from there, as I discovered when someone else first used it against him over a year ago now, and he immediately started using faking his name to "It Wasn't Me" posts, usually under the names of people he has a particular obsession with. He's not even slightly concerned with Free Speech or honest debate here... indeed, he only makes arguments like that because, as the article indicates and Atrios proves, genuinely decent people tend to hesitate before censoring anyone. It's simply a wedge trolls use to try and get away with being uncivil and destructive for as long as possible.
And coincidentally, they are also your own arguments too; Even more noticably, you've not posted under that name much before. Your first post that I can recall seeing was a question about the right way to deal with trolls. Both of these are gambits that particular troll above has used himself many times before... and which needless to say raise flags for all the posters here as to what your real intentions are. Maybe they are that you are genuinely seeking honest debate... But I can name at least 10 identities that entered Eschaton exactly as you did that were later proven to have not had the slightest concern about that.
If you think people are being overly paranoid, I'll simply say you obviously haven't had much experience of the internet, or even purely Eschaton. For instance, there's a post right in this very thread which is a deliberate lie from another person known for trying to goad flame wars for his own personal amusement. And it will pass largely uncalled upon because few people have the time, much less a strong enough heart, to keep track of all the lying, disruptive weasels the internet attracts. If you are NOT *ahem* Sick Of It All by now, then you haven't experienced much trolling, it's as simple as that. Nietzsche's famous argument about God's death, and all that.
Hyperbole? Ahhh... but being new here, you won't have witnessed when or obessional friend is really off his medication; The afore mentioned harrasment at home is but a part of it. How inviting people to send abuse to an email address which a cautious Eschatonian quickly worked out was likely to be one pyschopath's ex-wife, and not his at all? Or posting threats of violence against the President, a serious crime indeed, under someone else's name in the hope of getting Atrios, or that poster, into trouble (or at least worrying them severly)...?
And there's more, year after year of such little stunts... Let me be quite blunt here Echilles; if you aren't comfortable with the attitudes you see here at Eschaton, you plainly shouldn't be trying to deb
I've not noticed stoopid trolls on the book thread.
I Voted 4 Bush
best comment i heard today was in 4 years no one will be crowing about that. he said his old man was wise. i agree.
Totally agree Joe. The national Dems SELF destructed starting midway through Clinton's term. The DLC has basically estranged the party from its base. If it won't move back to cover its base, another party will have to be created that WILL. The remnants can sit in Washington and wring their hands in between assuring Bush that they want him to be "successful"...
So tell me again how this war is helping us sir?
EkCenTrik
I respect your opinion, but you are wrong. Look around, we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11. This is not Vietnam.
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And there's more, year after year of such little stunts... Let me be quite blunt here Echilles; if you aren't comfortable with the attitudes you see here at Eschaton, you plainly shouldn't be trying to debate online at all. Because it's either the suspicion you see here, or harsh enforcement of decency and active censorship. The asshole's of the world allow no other alternative; They'll trample all over your idea of decency just as quickly as they try and trample on the rights of people to speak their mind... Go ahead, call for people to ignore them. But how exactly do you ignore someone when tomorrow it may be your own voice he's speaking under... Be thankful that so far, the trolls here have been too too stupid to really take advantage of that; but don't expect anyone to thank you for appealing for people to do what the trolls themselves know makes it so much easier for them...
Of course journalists don't disagree with the president. If they do, you'll never see them in the white house again. Helen Thomas spend quite some time in the back isle at the press conference.
Of course journalists don't disagree with the president. If they do, you'll never see them in the white house again. Helen Thomas spend quite some time in the back isle at the press conference.
Maybe they AGREE with Bush. Did you ever think of that? Fortunately this is the 20% who doubt the wisdom of Bush, and that's okay, because its a free country.
umm, no
the dems carrot is full of maggots. i think i saw it just fall off the stick......2008 will be great for 3rd party candidates.......
"Joe, your head is up your ass.
You probably kick women when they're down, too."
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.13.04 - 8:22 pm | #
Wow. I admit, this brilliant argument has left me without a good comeback.
I'll try this - HUH?
Hyperbole? Ahhh... but being new here, you won't have witnessed when or obessional friend is really off his medication; The afore mentioned harrasment at home is but a part of it. How inviting people to send abuse to an email address which a cautious Eschatonian quickly worked out was likely to be one pyschopath's ex-wife, and not his at all? Or posting threats of violence against the President, a serious crime indeed, under someone else's name in the hope of getting Atrios, or that poster, into trouble (or at least worrying them severly)...?
And there's more, year after year of such little stunts... Let me be quite blunt here Echilles; if you aren't comfortable with the attitudes you see here at Eschaton, you plainly shouldn't be trying to deb
America's Nemesis
Dude, your posts are WAYYY TOOO LONG.
Cliff notes, please.
And we are returning to our days of glory.
What you are returning to is the last days of Nixon, raised to a power of 3, conservatively.
As was posted earlier, while the repuke implosion will be painful to many innocents, it will be fun to watch.
Guess what: not all leftists are! In fact, what is called the "left" here is actually a mainstream viewpoint in some other countries.
Don't pander to us, shithead. I may not be able to tell how old you are, but your ideas, your arguments, and your know-it-all attitude never graduated from the tenth grade.
what the hell is all of this nonsense about moving to the right and pandering to the christians???? if anyone here has an ear of someone in the dem hierarchy, they had better talk some sense into them.
he dems carrot is full of maggots. i think i saw it just fall off the stick......2008 will be great for 3rd party candidates.......
capio
I agree that the Dems are done. Fini as they say in France.
But 2008 is going to see a 60+ Senate majority for the GOP, and 300 GOP seats in the House.
we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11.
yet, that's coming. ok, i'm not nostradamus but they aren't going to give up. and they couldn't give a fuck about iraq. it's a diversion.
the terrorists are winning and bush is helping them do it. greed, ideology will do that to you. kind of like that greek guy lookin' in the pond.
I'll try this - HUH?
Have you ever given yourself a Stranger, Joe?
Guess what: not all leftists are! In fact, what is called the "left" here is actually a mainstream viewpoint in some other countries.
Don't pander to us, shithead. I may not be able to tell how old you are, but your ideas, your arguments, and your know-it-all attitude never graduated from the tenth grade.
theodoric
Wow, I agree with you. See my reply to Lenin-boy upthread.
The last thing i want is a media who agrees with everything that the president says, be it con or lib. It's very disconcerting.
I want my government challanged on their positions at all times.
you should not be dismissing part of your voting bloc as trolls. you should listen to them. you should not pander to the christians. you should add a cult deprogrammer as an advisor in the next dem presidential campaign.
As was posted earlier, while the repuke implosion will be painful to many innocents, it will be fun to watch.
Billy B
Implosion? No sir, it is called expansion and dominion, and it is fun to watch.
we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11.
Who was CiC on 9/11? Who ever he was sure fucked up.
Why is it that British and Canadian liberals in government have balls while ours does not?
—-just asking
the terrorists are winning and bush is helping them do it. greed, ideology will do that to you. kind of like that greek guy lookin' in the pond.
charley
Yeah right. And I suppose you believe in UFO's too. Bin Laden is running scared my friend.
Who was CiC on 9/11? Who ever he was sure fucked up.
chris/tx
As the 911 Commission revealed, it was because Clinton dismanlted the CIA and the miltary. Bush had not had enough time to build it up again.
I didn't get the memo on the Bush mandate.
Or maybe I did. The memo I've got is about the Girly mandate.
Are they the same thing?
And while I'm at it, why aren't the trolls in here off doing their bit to fight the good fight in Iraq rather than bothering us?
Maybe they don't have the necessary balls, eithter.
Consider the fact that Bin Laden took years to perform a second attack on the United States. He assembled personnel, put them into place, trained them and then waited for the right time. He was a very patient person in this regard. His people are spanning the globe. The worst part is they are merging other groups into their cause and providing support and training. Is the Iraq war stopping his efforts, not in the least. In fact, from all I can read, it has enhanced his status and the enrollment into his cause. He is using this war. But Bush and crew were warned. Now to dig out of this we will suffer more loss of life, loss of funds and loss of our high road position in the world community. This will make things much harder on us as time goes on. Bush had capital as he said, he has spent it very unwisely.
he last thing i want is a media who agrees with everything that the president says, be it con or lib. It's very disconcerting.
Yes, but when you have the best leader in the world, you listen. The press knows that Bush has his finger on the pulse of wisdom.
"Look around, we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11."
What the hell does this mean? Please connect this moronic talking point in some way with actual events that show that the Bush administration has actually done anything to make us safer. Here's a good starting point from which to build your (il)logic:
"Look around, we were not attacked on our soil for the three years preceding 9/11, 2001."
Bush's Cock:
You are a disingenuous little troll.
The CIA is about to throw down on your boy. It will not be pretty. You might even slit your soft little wrists over the outcome. Mark it down.
I respect your opinion, but you are wrong. Look around, we have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11. This is not Vietnam.
Bush Rocks
I don't know if you've noticed. But I don't respect your opinions. You're an idiot.
And while I'm at it, why aren't the trolls in here off fighting the good fight in Iraq instead of bothering us?
Maybe they lack the necessary balls as well...
Name stealer. I didn't write that.
So are you saying that you don't blow the President, or that you don't have a flat piece of plastic on your head?
Or that both are true, and you just didn't write the post?
This will make things much harder on us as time goes on. Bush had capital as he said, he has spent it very unwisely.
EkCenTrik
It will only be hard on those who are weak or are traitors to this country.
Yes, but when you have the best leader in the world, you listen
OK, that's it for me. This comment is a bit too troll-like. I'll argue with you in reality-mode, but not bizzarro-land
Maybe they lack the necessary balls as well...
That is always the case. Like Bush's Testicles. Everyone is a hero sitting in front of the computer.
I guess I shouldn't feed the troll, but he has been good practice. I really dont think Bush Rocks cares one way or another, but his "talking points" are a good work out.
So are you saying that you don't blow the President, or that you don't have a flat piece of plastic on your head?
Or that both are true, and you just didn't write the post?
theodoric
I didn't write the post, and I respect the office of President, unlike Democrats and Moinca.
OK, that's it for me. This comment is a bit too troll-like. I'll argue with you in reality-mode, but not bizzarro-land
dieselcreek
I win.
"We've heard Dems bitching for four years about how Ralph Nader cost them...
What? A few people on a blog? "
You can't seriously believe that the Nader-bashing is limited to a few people on a blog. The "Nader cost Gore Florida" view has become conventional wisdom not only in MSM but in the mainstream of society at large as well.
I don't necessarily believe it's true, but my point was that so many Dems take it as gospel.
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I didn't write the post, and I respect the office of President, unlike Democrats and Moinca.
Sounds to me like you're evading the question.
I guess I shouldn't feed the troll, but he has been good practice. I really dont think Bush Rocks cares one way or another, but his "talking points" are a good work out.
EkCenTrik
I'm not a troll. And I won the debate.
"Don't pander to us, shithead. I may not be able to tell how old you are, but your ideas, your arguments, and your know-it-all attitude never graduated from the tenth grade."
My ideas, my arguments ... how about addressing those, instead of just calling me a shithead?
And I'M the one who hasn't graduate from 10th grade?
Let me get you on record: anybody to the left of Howard Dean is immature with ideas that haven't graduated 10the grade (whatever that means).
Is this an accurate statement of your belief?
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Sounds to me like you're evading the question.
theodoric
Nothing to evade. I only debate real issues not add hominhim attacks.
"Have you ever given yourself a Stranger, Joe?"
I repeat - HUH?
Regardless of that, theodoric, thanks for the answer about the cabinet confirmations. Could you expand on that? Is it not possible to filibuster a cabinet appointment, or is it just "unseemly".
Let me get you on record: anybody to the left of Howard Dean is immature with ideas that haven't graduated 10the grade (whatever that means).
More like anyone who doesn't have the sense to join the GOP is lacking on the IQ front.
The regulars on this blog also seem to have an unhealthy obsession with who is and who is not a "troll".
Are you that afraid of someone pulling one over one you? It has reached a level of paranoia.
Many, many good commenters on Eschaton. A few not so good.
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You win! Horray. But can I send shit on a stick through the mail?
Bush Rocks
"I'm not a troll. And I won the debate."
No sir, you didn't. You never provided real information to back up your case and provided no compelling commentary that convinced a single soul here that you were right. Further you were antagonistic with fairly juvenile remarks to boot.
On the other hand, I doubt I changed any minds either.
On the other hand, I doubt I changed any minds either.
EkCenTrik
You're cool, at least your honest. But I did win the debate I think.
Really? Ok I'm back in. I really didn't think it was a real debate.
Let's go!
If Gore had won there wouldn't have been a 9/11...and all the stupidity that's followed.
WTF is an "add hominhim attack"? Is that like a coronary attack? Or a diiferent organ? Or maybe a military maneuver?
Personally, I don't like ad hominem attacks. But that's just me.
Oh, and did i mention that i'm writing from a forward operating base in in the outskirts of fallujah.
you'd be surprised how many so called 'wingnuts' are actually covert military operatives. you see, we can strike much faster when the evil-doers can google us.
tends to make them complacent.
The regulars on this blog also seem to have an unhealthy obsession with who is and who is not a "troll".
They are confused liberals is all. Just debate with facts and they will come over to the GOP side.
I can't believe how the anti-war movement just collapsed. If we can trust 'Baghdad Burning' US forces are committing war crimes there.
Let's go!
dieselcreek
Okay. What's your opinion on Gonzales as AG?
Me? I like Bush, but Gonzales is a nut.
They are confused liberals is all. Just debate with facts and they will come over to the GOP side.
good idea. let's debate the facts.
when cheney said right before the war that "we know, any any country in the world with a third rate intelligence agency knows, that saddam has weapons of mass destruction"
in your judgment of the facts... lie or truth.
hey thanks for the publicity !!!!!!!
Oh, I get it! "add hominhim"
ADD— attention deficit disorder. Took me a bit, but it all makes sense now.
Me? I like Bush, but Gonzales is a nut.
Someone's lonely tonight. I'm out of here.
f Gore had won there wouldn't have been a 9/11...and all the stupidity that's followed.
numbby
Let me understand the logic. If Gore were President, then we would have had:
9/10/2001 Monday. Skip immediately to 9/12/2001 Wednesday. 9/11/2001 never exists.
Don't buy it.
So am I to believe that Bush did us a favor by installing all sorts of interns from the American Enterprise Institute into top positions in Iraq during this occupation?
Hmmm, seems like they made LOTS of bad choices. And since Bush relies on the kindness of advisors, that he appoints, it looks as if the CEO president is negligent in his administrative duties as president.
Also, Bush Rocks, your people need to get over the stupid 9-11 thing.
3 years ago, 3000 people died in oen place on one day. It was unusual. It sucked.
140,000 people die EVERY DAY.
More people die in car accidents than terrorist attacks.
By your rationale, Ralph Nader should be our president, not GWB.
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when cheney said right before the war that "we know, any any country in the world with a third rate intelligence agency knows, that saddam has weapons of mass destruction"
in your judgment of the facts... lie or truth.
Lie.
Gonzales is a Bush cronny since his days in texas. I don't see the letter of the law being followed with him as much as him following the needs of George W. Bush and the the presidency or the country.
But it's his choice to make...
So am I to believe that Bush did us a favor by installing all sorts of interns from the American Enterprise Institute into top positions in Iraq during this occupation?
The leaders of the 21st century are coming from AEI, this is true. Norm Ornstein is getting up there in years.
But Myers is running the show, so why is this an issue?
Because they follow ideology and not reality
By your rationale, Ralph Nader should be our president, not GWB.
I did not support Ralph. And 9/11 changed everything.
Because they follow ideology and not reality
dieselcreek
But is not reality what you make it? Or are you saying that there is no free will and everything is thus pre-determined?
So ideaology determines reality.
"And 9/11 changed everything."
Actually America's psychotic response to 9/11 changed more than 9/11 itself would have, starting with the criminal invasion of Afghanistan.
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what is wrong with dissenting viewpoints??? i seem to remember that is one of the problems dems had with the chimp???
9/11 changed nothing.
Terrorism was a problem before 9/11 and remains a problem after 9/11.
Bush's response to 9/11 was sane, until Afghanistan and Bin Landin were deemed unimportant.
The only thing that changed on 9/11 was that Bush decided that his do nothing Presidency, could now become the Orwellian fantasy he and Cheney and Ashcroft wanted.
i guess it is a by-product of the "everybody gets a trophy" generation.
Well, you can, but then you are creating a false reality. As the water always flows to the lowest point and the pedulem swings both ways, you can't avoid the power of combined world reality.
Your arguement is classic, "Means justifies the ends" (not ends justify the means, but this also applies to the cons) of the neocon world via Leo Strauss.
The problem is all the other realities will align to crush yours
bush rocks is so stupid he is agreeing with people who would like to see him dangle from a lightpost from his toes.
Stealing regular posters names in order to discredit their ideas or disrupt their conversation is considered bad form, but making fun of trolls, whose only aim is to completely disrupt or destroy conversation, is considered acceptable.
Hey, I heard your BS the first time -- and it is patently still BS, but I am sure you can sing it to the "choir" and they will say, "here here!" I guess if you actually can read all the posts here and proclaim that you have deep insight into theri intentions, I will leave you in your "lah lah" land. I enjoy the links and ideas here as much as anyone else -- but the more I read the different threads, it is clear to me that there is an expectation that the "pissants" will listen to, and never challenge the "kings and queens. I accept this attitude as part of the "Eschaton" experience -- but it would be nice if we could discuss why the REST of America should shut-up and listen to a few egotistical posters that have absolutely no tolerance for the opinions of others. I am not the only one who sees this -- no, we do not all fit your definition of a "troll."
I would find the contracdiction funny, except I believe the situation is getting serious. They beat us with distractions and the old "divide and conquer" strategy -- why do we help them divide? We can only beat them by building coalitions. This means that we have to try to overlook our differences -- I don't see it happen here very often. But if you see if differently -- more power to ya!
well, the reality is: we are fucked any way you look at it in iraq.
Somehow, I don't think Dobson, Falwell, et. al. will like this story: 'God gene' discovered by scientist behind gay DNA theory:
"Religious belief is determined by a person's genetic make-up according to a study by a leading scientist.
After comparing more than 2,000 DNA samples, an American molecular geneticist has concluded that a person's capacity to believe in God is linked to brain chemicals.
His findings were criticised last night by leading clerics, who challenge the existence of a "god gene" and say that the research undermines a fundamental tenet of faith - that spiritual enlightenment is achieved through divine transformation rather than the brain's electrical impulses."
Pam's House Blend
And there's more, year after year of such little stunts... Let me be quite blunt here Echilles; if you aren't comfortable with the attitudes you see here at Eschaton, you plainly shouldn't be trying to deb
Who said I was uncomfortable -- please don't flatter yourself. I can live without Eschaton but I enjoy sharing ideas. Maybe Atrios has some tolerance for diverse opinions and trolling, but you obviously don't. I post my 2 cents, read the thread, and when I feel like it, post another. If people agree - thats kewl. If they disagree, maybe they will give me a new perspective. I am not arrogant enough to think I understand everything everybody posts, much less their intentions and motivations. Maybe you feel differently -- I honestly could not care less, I have yet to read something from you that I find interesting or relevant, but I don't have to insult you or anyone else about it. Is that called live and let live? You may call it whatever you like.
Hey it's nothing new. Why did “Fighting Bob” La Follette lose to McCarthy?
Bobby was a bit of a snob. And McCarthy could pander to the best of em
The asshole's of the world allow no other alternative
And you are really different? Well, uh, thanks for that valuable piece of information. You haven't swayed me yet, however, we are still little bozos on this bus. But if you and whomever now feel better -- good for you.
My girlfriend comes from a "born again" family. Very strange stories she tells me of talking in tongues, witnessing to strangers, crazy emotional sermons.
She thought it was all B.S.
Myself, I never went to church, except one time when my dad got a bug up his ass about going to church. So off we went to the local, one room church (I'm a back-country white trasher). Well, besides trying not to break out in laughter, I was horrified with the preachers screaming and crying and carrying on about hell and damnation.
I never went to church again. Praise Jesus.
So the religious radicals are the defacto government of America.
Religious zealots are being appointed to all levels of this administration. They control the national agenda. They now hold so much sway America is actually going to teach its children creationism is just as viable, if not more so, than evolution. They are going to have a book for sale at the info booth at Grand Canyon saying the canyon is a result of Noah's flood, not glacial erosion. The are moving to have all federal government services driven by faith-based initiatives not secular, rational, reasoned thought.
We are becoming a Christian version of Iran .
They are happy to take America back, not just 20 or 30 years, but to before the age of enlightenment. A set of unprovable beliefs and "feelings" are replacing science and reason.
America is dying. We are living its wake. It's good there is a "rest of the world". It's bad the religious radicals now have their hands on so many weapons of mass destruction. I only hope the world holds on to pick up the pieces.
The regulars on this blog also seem to have an unhealthy obsession with who is and who is not a "troll".
Spot-on, jasin - but they are already so obsessed with your as a troll, it isn't going to do any good to tell them this. The "reality-based community" doesn't have room for alternative perspectives -- even when you support their causes. I am sure most of us would agree that there are some comments that are from obnoxious trolls. I won't give them the satisfaction of identifying them. It is not a good thing when people come here, read comments, agree with 95% if them, and then they are chased away by the kings and queens. It is the height of stupidity, arrogance, and hypocracy to attack visitors that agree with the main themes and issues that Atrios builds these discusssions around just because some potential supporters around are not in lockstep agreement with the Escahton "echo-chamber." Somewhere, an evil Karl laughs, for life is good to him.
I see Spector is still getting lots of heat from the far right.
Hmmm, could it be justice for the pathetic Single Bullet Theory of JFKs assassination?
just sayin' karma isn't just the name of my slutty ex girlfriend...
Dont Give Up Hope!
This From Black Commentator:
It may be possible to mortally wound the Bush administration without “flipping” the election – a tall order. If “at least 30 states” were subjected to GOP fraud, then hundreds of individual operatives were involved in the crimes. The more perpetrators, the better the fishing. Untying one knot could cause the whole conspiracy to unravel in a chaos of recriminations and crime-compounding cover-ups. Remember Watergate.
9/11 changed everything
How come we're still stuck with the guy who got us hit, the business partner of the hit man, the man who bragged about how he'd hit the trifecta after it happened? Lot's of frightened, ignorant people. Like our trolls. That's why.
9/11 changed one thing. It sealed the fate of American democracy for this go round, at least. It won't be gotten back without lots of work, pain and, knowing how our domestic fascists are, lots of people getting killed. The longer the Bush mafia gets to entrench itself the harder its going to be to dislodge them.
Would someone care to illuminate us into what constitutes "diverse opinions" here?
Is it the drive by poster that tells us we are anti-American?
Maybe it is the poster who tells us that we need to adopt Republican values in order to prevent the Democratic Party from becoming irrelevant.
Or, could it be the people who are jealous that pie, Tena, Holden and others are posters that other people listen to, and interact with.
Echilles, you come in here, attack the regular posters, and expect that we should roll over and accept your wisdom?
Dont Give Up Hope!
This From Black Commentator:
I like that site, one of the best and one of the best looking too.
I propose that the "God Gene" be renamed "The Big Scary Sky Ghost Bullshit Gene".
You need to give up your liberal biased media habits. All of you. Then you must go to your liberal neighbor's house and KILL THEM.
Ahh she's a tough, sweatheart. Her family walked away from the church just a few years ago. They found out it was like any other organization, bickering and backstabbing was just as likely there as it was at work.
Who needs a church to find spirituality? Not me, I'm god! So are you and the earth and stars. We are all god and we all exist forever.
groovy
If you do not reach out to red states, liberals, we will kill you.
Liberalism and leftism=death! You need to go with GOP and GOD!
Liberalism and leftism=death! You need to go with GOP and GOD!
OT -- but important. Cheney was taken to the hospital because of a 5 hour erection that needed immediate attention. If he can "control" himself, he will be just fine.
OT -- but important. Cheney was taken to the hospital because of a 5 hour erection that needed immediate attention. If he can "control" himself, he will be just fine.
Only faggots oppose president Bush! And all Fags Hate Anmerica!
Only faggots oppose president Bush! And all Fags Hate Anmerica!
Mu ha ha ha. Do you have ANY idea how many liberal gun-toters there are in Wisconsin? Christ, don't even think about screwing with us
Mu ha ha ha. Do you have ANY idea how many liberal gun-toters there are in Wisconsin? Christ, don't even think about screwing with us
Some of our would be parodists to too far over the top, AmericaFIRST can't seem to get over the bottom.
Some of our would be parodists to too far over the top, AmericaFIRST can't seem to get over the bottom.
"Maybe it is the poster who tells us that we need to adopt Republican values in order to prevent the Democratic Party from becoming irrelevant.
- David (Austin Tx) "
You've not been paying attention. It is the 'leaders' of our own party who are telling us this.
"Maybe it is the poster who tells us that we need to adopt Republican values in order to prevent the Democratic Party from becoming irrelevant.
- David (Austin Tx) "
You've not been paying attention. It is the 'leaders' of our own party who are telling us this.
could it be the people who are jealous that pie, Tena, Holden and others are posters that other people listen to, and interact with.
Echilles, you come in here, attack the regular posters, and expect that we should roll over and accept your wisdom?
Couldn't really give less of a damn. I am sure we all know which posts tonight are really trolls. I have just been agreeing with another poster. It is you that chose to insult us because we are not in total agreement with some others -- but me and jasin have indicated we support the cause. You are more than welcome to tell me where I am wrong based on the discussions and ideas that are part of this thread. Yes, many here do that. Others just attack personalities -- that is OK too.
I don't need to waste my time keying which of the two I believe you fall into. I stand by my earlier statement: Obvious trolls aside, readers that think enough or Atrios analysis and guided discussions would probably be good people to build coalitions with. If you or anyone else's personal agena is more important than building coalitions -- they you got what you deserved on Novemeber 2nd.
could it be the people who are jealous that pie, Tena, Holden and others are posters that other people listen to, and interact with.
Echilles, you come in here, attack the regular posters, and expect that we should roll over and accept your wisdom?
Couldn't really give less of a damn. I am sure we all know which posts tonight are really trolls. I have just been agreeing with another poster. It is you that chose to insult us because we are not in total agreement with some others -- but me and jasin have indicated we support the cause. You are more than welcome to tell me where I am wrong based on the discussions and ideas that are part of this thread. Yes, many here do that. Others just attack personalities -- that is OK too.
I don't need to waste my time keying which of the two I believe you fall into. I stand by my earlier statement: Obvious trolls aside, readers that think enough or Atrios analysis and guided discussions would probably be good people to build coalitions with. If you or anyone else's personal agena is more important than building coalitions -- they you got what you deserved on Novemeber 2nd.
Notice that they're always whining about liberals not accepting right wingers? They don't whine about right wingers accepting liberals because open mindedness is beyond their abilities.
We don't need to promote the rights of the fascists to speak their minds. When we want to hear what they're group-thinking all we need to do is turn on TV or the radio. They're the only thing on.
Make Nat Hentoff upset, be mean to a fascist tonight.
Notice that they're always whining about liberals not accepting right wingers? They don't whine about right wingers accepting liberals because open mindedness is beyond their abilities.
We don't need to promote the rights of the fascists to speak their minds. When we want to hear what they're group-thinking all we need to do is turn on TV or the radio. They're the only thing on.
Make Nat Hentoff upset, be mean to a fascist tonight.
SHUT UP LIBERALS!
We won, you lost! ha ha!
SHUT UP LIBERALS!
We won, you lost! ha ha!
Well...How's the election fraud story going? I am disgusted with how the SCLM and the more hand-wringing progressives are marginalizing and psychologizing the issue as being about our side not wanted to admit we made mistakes (a fallacy, since questions of fact are not answered by wondering why people would want to believe x,y,z...) The Greens and Badnarik are getting into the action, which directly shows this isn't just about sore losers!Check out blackboxvoting.org and see what's up. There are all kinds of anomalies, many based on what type of voting machine was used, and they almost always gave Kerry less votes than the exit polls suggested, which is hard to believe. Unless anyone can explain *why* the exit polls should be so wrong this time in such a specially skewed way, the election "results" are what's suspect.
PS - even if the fraud wasn't enough to change the popular vote or even any given electoral vote, that's beside the point of principle to all those voters who were cheated in particular, and all of us voters in general who deserve transparent, auditable electoral machinery not in the hands of partisan hacks, so to speak.
Well...How's the election fraud story going? I am disgusted with how the SCLM and the more hand-wringing progressives are marginalizing and psychologizing the issue as being about our side not wanted to admit we made mistakes (a fallacy, since questions of fact are not answered by wondering why people would want to believe x,y,z...) The Greens and Badnarik are getting into the action, which directly shows this isn't just about sore losers!Check out blackboxvoting.org and see what's up. There are all kinds of anomalies, many based on what type of voting machine was used, and they almost always gave Kerry less votes than the exit polls suggested, which is hard to believe. Unless anyone can explain *why* the exit polls should be so wrong this time in such a specially skewed way, the election "results" are what's suspect.
PS - even if the fraud wasn't enough to change the popular vote or even any given electoral vote, that's beside the point of principle to all those voters who were cheated in particular, and all of us voters in general who deserve transparent, auditable electoral machinery not in the hands of partisan hacks, so to speak.
EkCenTrik - Now we have Al Quaeda all over hell and their influence is growing. And we are sitting on our asses tearing a country apart and doing nothing to counter the threat.
We have al Qaeda all over hell? Really? Point it out to me, please!
We have increased sympathy for radical ideologies, both in the US and abroad. At home the sympathy is for radicalism to "blow shit up" in reaction to blind fear. In the rest of the world, it's sympathy for ideologies that see totalitarians like Allawi and Fahd are responsible for oppressing poor people and manipulating the system to keep themselves in power.
By the way Afghani TV has been put off the air because it was showing Indian Bollywood movies with girls and boys dancing together and getting the Afghani boys too excited.
And Allawi has told Iraqi media to adhere to the official government line on the battle in Fallujah. Freedom is on the march!
EkCenTrik - Now we have Al Quaeda all over hell and their influence is growing. And we are sitting on our asses tearing a country apart and doing nothing to counter the threat.
We have al Qaeda all over hell? Really? Point it out to me, please!
We have increased sympathy for radical ideologies, both in the US and abroad. At home the sympathy is for radicalism to "blow shit up" in reaction to blind fear. In the rest of the world, it's sympathy for ideologies that see totalitarians like Allawi and Fahd are responsible for oppressing poor people and manipulating the system to keep themselves in power.
By the way Afghani TV has been put off the air because it was showing Indian Bollywood movies with girls and boys dancing together and getting the Afghani boys too excited.
And Allawi has told Iraqi media to adhere to the official government line on the battle in Fallujah. Freedom is on the march!
The liberal media and its bias is all you know. You look in the mirror and deny the fascist looking back. Leftists are such hypocrites.
The liberal media and its bias is all you know. You look in the mirror and deny the fascist looking back. Leftists are such hypocrites.
Shut up haters! You can't stand that WE, the PATRIOTS who LOVE OUR COUNTRY and PRESIDENT, still have free speech. We do, and soon you will have abdicated your right to lord it over us. You see, there aer more of us than you. We won. You lost.
Shut up haters! You can't stand that WE, the PATRIOTS who LOVE OUR COUNTRY and PRESIDENT, still have free speech. We do, and soon you will have abdicated your right to lord it over us. You see, there aer more of us than you. We won. You lost.
SHUT UP LIBERALS!
We won, you lost! ha ha!
SHUT UP LIBERALS!
We won, you lost! ha ha!
I have yet to read something from you that I find interesting or relevant
*snickers*
Because obviously an article upon trolling tactics, the subject of which was the basis of your first ever post here, which addresses exactly why your claims were invalid, has nothing to do with anything relevant at all.
This would be the article, by the way, and subsequent discussion thereof that you deliberately completely avoided in every one of your replies, despite apparently being able to comment upon something both before that article, and indeed after it.
And golly, isn't it odd how upset it's possible to get about comments which, for the most part, are directed at another poster entirely? And one whose tactics are designed to do exactly the thing you claim to want to avoid? Why, one could almost suspect you weren't entirely sincere in what you were saying... it's almost as if... as if... as if you aren't really concerned with anything but trying to slander posters here.
But you are right. I haven't had anything worthwhile to say in... In the how long you've been lurking and watching my posts would that be, hmmm? Because the above was my first post since you arrived under that name. Go ahead, do please tell us how long you've been disgusted with the "Kings And Queens" of Eschaton... so disgusted that you just had to come and join them in their "Kingdom", apparently.
Oh well, now you are down here in our sty with us, you can always do something useful and help tidy up this Straw Man infestation we appear to have had; God knows where they've all come from, but we're knee deep in them now...
I have yet to read something from you that I find interesting or relevant
*snickers*
Because obviously an article upon trolling tactics, the subject of which was the basis of your first ever post here, which addresses exactly why your claims were invalid, has nothing to do with anything relevant at all.
This would be the article, by the way, and subsequent discussion thereof that you deliberately completely avoided in every one of your replies, despite apparently being able to comment upon something both before that article, and indeed after it.
And golly, isn't it odd how upset it's possible to get about comments which, for the most part, are directed at another poster entirely? And one whose tactics are designed to do exactly the thing you claim to want to avoid? Why, one could almost suspect you weren't entirely sincere in what you were saying... it's almost as if... as if... as if you aren't really concerned with anything but trying to slander posters here.
But you are right. I haven't had anything worthwhile to say in... In the how long you've been lurking and watching my posts would that be, hmmm? Because the above was my first post since you arrived under that name. Go ahead, do please tell us how long you've been disgusted with the "Kings And Queens" of Eschaton... so disgusted that you just had to come and join them in their "Kingdom", apparently.
Oh well, now you are down here in our sty with us, you can always do something useful and help tidy up this Straw Man infestation we appear to have had; God knows where they've all come from, but we're knee deep in them now...
Leftists are the same as Nazis.... both are socialists and against freedom.
Leftists are the same as Nazis.... both are socialists and against freedom.
I'm sittin' here listening to Clutch- a true beer dripping barroom kiss-my-ass fucking ROCK and roll band.
Makes me all giddy with kick-assedness
I'm sittin' here listening to Clutch- a true beer dripping barroom kiss-my-ass fucking ROCK and roll band.
Makes me all giddy with kick-assedness
friedman on russert faulting arafat for not building a legacy of supporting higher education. no mention at all of how israel closed down universities in the name of security, nor how dangerous palestinian children were blocked from attending elementary schools.
friedman on russert faulting arafat for not building a legacy of supporting higher education. no mention at all of how israel closed down universities in the name of security, nor how dangerous palestinian children were blocked from attending elementary schools.
Y, shut up you anti-semetic biased Israel and America hating socilist terrorist!
Y, shut up you anti-semetic biased Israel and America hating socilist terrorist!
Please be advised, your anti-semitism has been reported to the proper authorities.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Please be advised, your anti-semitism has been reported to the proper authorities.
Thank you for your cooperation.
nor how dangerous palestinian children were blocked from attending elementary schools.
Nor how Palestinians aren't going to be able to build many schools when they don't have much land to build them upon in the first place...
nor how dangerous palestinian children were blocked from attending elementary schools.
Nor how Palestinians aren't going to be able to build many schools when they don't have much land to build them upon in the first place...
And golly, isn't it odd how upset it's possible to get about comments which, for the most part, are directed at another poster entirely?
Who's upset? Not me -- nothing that happens here is that important, interesting, maybe. I only cut a phrase out of a few of your comments because they mentioned my identity -- I have not mentioned your and I am sure I will never see fit to. If commenters want to turn eschaton into a 300+ thread insult with each post calling the one above it a troll -- that is OK. The other day there was a thread running about a poor child that was being cut-off of medicare -- truly a terrible situation. Commenters that day said that the "reality based community" was about energizing people to act in the common good. Great ideal -- I support that. We can all see who the obvious trolls are and we can all choose not to feed them. Its the "coalition" thing that bugs you, isn't it. In order to build broader support, some of us will just have to admit we do not have all the answers or know everything about everything. I suppose only SOME of the threads here are about "positive change." The rest are about egos and one-upmanship. I haven't called anyone out -- merely added my 2 cents when I agreed with some other comments. I haven't really tried to say anyone was wrong, either. I just think the attitudes that fly around here would be funny in another context -- I like to consider Atrios site an alternative ideas and news source. It would be nice if it could also be used to build agreement on the major issues that our country is facing. Obviously, some people do not want to see that happen (and again, I am not talking about tonights obvious trolls). Those are just my opinions -- we can agree to disagree.
And golly, isn't it odd how upset it's possible to get about comments which, for the most part, are directed at another poster entirely?
Who's upset? Not me -- nothing that happens here is that important, interesting, maybe. I only cut a phrase out of a few of your comments because they mentioned my identity -- I have not mentioned your and I am sure I will never see fit to. If commenters want to turn eschaton into a 300+ thread insult with each post calling the one above it a troll -- that is OK. The other day there was a thread running about a poor child that was being cut-off of medicare -- truly a terrible situation. Commenters that day said that the "reality based community" was about energizing people to act in the common good. Great ideal -- I support that. We can all see who the obvious trolls are and we can all choose not to feed them. Its the "coalition" thing that bugs you, isn't it. In order to build broader support, some of us will just have to admit we do not have all the answers or know everything about everything. I suppose only SOME of the threads here are about "positive change." The rest are about egos and one-upmanship. I haven't called anyone out -- merely added my 2 cents when I agreed with some other comments. I haven't really tried to say anyone was wrong, either. I just think the attitudes that fly around here would be funny in another context -- I like to consider Atrios site an alternative ideas and news source. It would be nice if it could also be used to build agreement on the major issues that our country is facing. Obviously, some people do not want to see that happen (and again, I am not talking about tonights obvious trolls). Those are just my opinions -- we can agree to disagree.
I should have said the Busheviks instead of we. Since obviously "we" aren't responsible for the War in Iraq or the openended war on terror.
I also forgot to say that the Busheviks have increased the acceptance of unjustified, unprovoked violence as a method to solve disputes. If it's good enough for the Busheviks, why should poor radical jihadis be denied the same remedies?
As for the radical "blow shit up" crowd, it's necessary to take the US off it's never ending war posture. The Chinese demonstrated that to end the Cultural Revolution, they had to get rid of the enemy. Which wasn't a group of people, but the practice of creating us's and them's. The US needs to recognise that this myth of a globally connected hidden network of terrorists is brought to you by the exact same people that said Iraq was connected to 9/11. Why accept one theory and reject the other?
Is Indonesian muslim radicalism tied to al Qaeda? Is Thai muslim radicalism tied to al Qaeda? Nope. No more than the Ethiopian or Somali civil wars were tied to the "great war" between capitalism and communism before 1989. It is just convenient to latch on to "al Qaeda" at this point, because it is bound to gain you support, both military and financial, from the US. Bogus wars against phantom enemies need to be ended NOW!
I should have said the Busheviks instead of we. Since obviously "we" aren't responsible for the War in Iraq or the openended war on terror.
I also forgot to say that the Busheviks have increased the acceptance of unjustified, unprovoked violence as a method to solve disputes. If it's good enough for the Busheviks, why should poor radical jihadis be denied the same remedies?
As for the radical "blow shit up" crowd, it's necessary to take the US off it's never ending war posture. The Chinese demonstrated that to end the Cultural Revolution, they had to get rid of the enemy. Which wasn't a group of people, but the practice of creating us's and them's. The US needs to recognise that this myth of a globally connected hidden network of terrorists is brought to you by the exact same people that said Iraq was connected to 9/11. Why accept one theory and reject the other?
Is Indonesian muslim radicalism tied to al Qaeda? Is Thai muslim radicalism tied to al Qaeda? Nope. No more than the Ethiopian or Somali civil wars were tied to the "great war" between capitalism and communism before 1989. It is just convenient to latch on to "al Qaeda" at this point, because it is bound to gain you support, both military and financial, from the US. Bogus wars against phantom enemies need to be ended NOW!
America's Nemesis - I haven't actually read most of your posts, if you haven't already noticed. I only cut out some snippets that are around my handle, Echilles. If you think you have any more of my attention than that -- more power to ya!
America's Nemesis - I haven't actually read most of your posts, if you haven't already noticed. I only cut out some snippets that are around my handle, Echilles. If you think you have any more of my attention than that -- more power to ya!
Oh My God! The evangelical vermin are infesting New York City!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/
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Oh My God! The evangelical vermin are infesting New York City!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/
1...vangelical.html
Go check out this video done by a graphic design student for the band Clutch:
http://www.corporatedemon.com/vi.../video-
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Go check out this video done by a graphic design student for the band Clutch:
http://www.corporatedemon.com/vi.../video-
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All I can say is that the dems should not waste any time trying to get the fundies - it's a waste of time. Anyone who reads these posts knows that a large majority of them are crazy, total cult followers, or taking advantage of total cult followers. Go for the middle and don't waste time on the extreme - except, and this is important - do whatever you can to have the repubs make a mistake and offend them and keep them from voting.
All I can say is that the dems should not waste any time trying to get the fundies - it's a waste of time. Anyone who reads these posts knows that a large majority of them are crazy, total cult followers, or taking advantage of total cult followers. Go for the middle and don't waste time on the extreme - except, and this is important - do whatever you can to have the repubs make a mistake and offend them and keep them from voting.
Here's my 2 cents for what what it's worth.
Dem should play to the small business, small government, self improvement (re-education) and take a page from Buchanan and become less imperialistic and more isolated (in the sense that we start to think about the huge need for new businesses that are small and quickly adapt to create new technologies)
Here's my 2 cents for what what it's worth.
Dem should play to the small business, small government, self improvement (re-education) and take a page from Buchanan and become less imperialistic and more isolated (in the sense that we start to think about the huge need for new businesses that are small and quickly adapt to create new technologies)
bush rocks is so stupid he is agreeing with people who would like to see him dangle from a lightpost from his toes.
capio
Capio is obviously a Troll as he hasn't quoted anything I've said. I never mentioned agreeing with the commie guy, jasmine or whatever his name was.
bush rocks is so stupid he is agreeing with people who would like to see him dangle from a lightpost from his toes.
capio
Capio is obviously a Troll as he hasn't quoted anything I've said. I never mentioned agreeing with the commie guy, jasmine or whatever his name was.
http://www.corporatedemon.com/video-type.htm
dieselcreek
Real rockers, like Kid Rock, support Bush.
http://www.corporatedemon.com/video-type.htm
dieselcreek
Real rockers, like Kid Rock, support Bush.
Dem should play to the small business, small government, self improvement (re-education) and take a page from Buchanan and become less imperialistic and more isolated (in the sense that we start to think about the huge need for new businesses that are small and quickly adapt to create new technologies)
dieselcreek
Never work. It was Clinton who approved NAFTA and GATT, and Dems on the Boards of major multi-national corporations.
The party is corrupt and deviod of ideas.
Dem should play to the small business, small government, self improvement (re-education) and take a page from Buchanan and become less imperialistic and more isolated (in the sense that we start to think about the huge need for new businesses that are small and quickly adapt to create new technologies)
dieselcreek
Never work. It was Clinton who approved NAFTA and GATT, and Dems on the Boards of major multi-national corporations.
The party is corrupt and deviod of ideas.
I never dug Kid rock. We're both white trash. But he took the libertarian path, I went for the blue collar dems.
I never dug Kid rock. We're both white trash. But he took the libertarian path, I went for the blue collar dems.
Shit, new progressives separate themselves from the DLC. We don't need rebub. light in party.
And of course dems could run anti-nafta and gatt. If it hurts the blue collar, it hurts the dems, so it's got to be reworked or dropped.
Shit, new progressives separate themselves from the DLC. We don't need rebub. light in party.
And of course dems could run anti-nafta and gatt. If it hurts the blue collar, it hurts the dems, so it's got to be reworked or dropped.
And of course dems could run anti-nafta and gatt. If it hurts the blue collar, it hurts the dems, so it's got to be reworked or dropped.
But I saw a report on Frontline last year that said NAFTA and GATT supercede the US Constitution. If so, then turning back the clock seems not possible or probable.
And of course dems could run anti-nafta and gatt. If it hurts the blue collar, it hurts the dems, so it's got to be reworked or dropped.
But I saw a report on Frontline last year that said NAFTA and GATT supercede the US Constitution. If so, then turning back the clock seems not possible or probable.
Oh, who cares. Move to a land of the free. There are many nore that are a lot freer than here!
Oh, who cares. Move to a land of the free. There are many nore that are a lot freer than here!
Having met Kid Rock, I can attest to his asshattedness. Much like meeting Bocephus. Or, I surmise, much like meeting Bush Rocks, a total pompus ass who has no regard for anyone but number one. "Where are my brown M&M's? The rider says ONLY brown M&M's."
Having met Kid Rock, I can attest to his asshattedness. Much like meeting Bocephus. Or, I surmise, much like meeting Bush Rocks, a total pompus ass who has no regard for anyone but number one. "Where are my brown M&M's? The rider says ONLY brown M&M's."
I never dug Kid rock. We're both white trash. But he took the libertarian path, I went for the blue collar dems.
dieselcreek
Then you're a Springsteen-er?
I never dug Kid rock. We're both white trash. But he took the libertarian path, I went for the blue collar dems.
dieselcreek
Then you're a Springsteen-er?
Well, if they said it on Frontline, IT MUST BE TRUE.
Well, if they said it on Frontline, IT MUST BE TRUE.
Having met Kid Rock, I can attest to his asshattedness. Much like meeting Bocephus. Or, I surmise, much like meeting Bush Rocks, a total pompus ass who has no regard for anyone but number one. "Where are my brown M&M's? The rider says ONLY brown M&M's."
Living in sin
I am not like Kid Rock at all. You'd like me if you knew me. And just because I like the GOP doesn't make me an ass.
Having met Kid Rock, I can attest to his asshattedness. Much like meeting Bocephus. Or, I surmise, much like meeting Bush Rocks, a total pompus ass who has no regard for anyone but number one. "Where are my brown M&M's? The rider says ONLY brown M&M's."
Living in sin
I am not like Kid Rock at all. You'd like me if you knew me. And just because I like the GOP doesn't make me an ass.
Well, if they said it on Frontline, IT MUST BE TRUE.
Well, and I thought Frontline was one of those programs you liberals respect.
Well, if they said it on Frontline, IT MUST BE TRUE.
Well, and I thought Frontline was one of those programs you liberals respect.
Nope, I like classical. And jazz. I have had to work many different shows in my line of work. And I can tell you, the GOP-loving artist are the biggest bunch of "please love me" wussies I've ever seen/
Nope, I like classical. And jazz. I have had to work many different shows in my line of work. And I can tell you, the GOP-loving artist are the biggest bunch of "please love me" wussies I've ever seen/
I like old Springsteen. But honestly, I hate mainstream crap. Give me local or state bands any day.
I like old Springsteen. But honestly, I hate mainstream crap. Give me local or state bands any day.
My kind of blue collar music:
Uncle Tupelo
Old 97s
Drive-By-Truckers
Clutch
Flying Burrito brothers
CCR
MC5
Hank Williams III
My kind of blue collar music:
Uncle Tupelo
Old 97s
Drive-By-Truckers
Clutch
Flying Burrito brothers
CCR
MC5
Hank Williams III
Well, if they said it on Frontline, IT MUST BE TRUE.
Well, and I thought Frontline was one of those programs you liberals respect.
Bush Rocks
Again with the assumptions, BR. The only Frontline I like is for my dogs. Just because I'm a Liberal doesn't mean I march lock-step with every little thing ever done or said by others on my side of the isle. That is a key difference between me and you.
Well, if they said it on Frontline, IT MUST BE TRUE.
Well, and I thought Frontline was one of those programs you liberals respect.
Bush Rocks
Again with the assumptions, BR. The only Frontline I like is for my dogs. Just because I'm a Liberal doesn't mean I march lock-step with every little thing ever done or said by others on my side of the isle. That is a key difference between me and you.
diesilcreek,
2 of the artists on that list are racist, homophobic assholes that I know of from personal experience. As stated above, I guess you have to seperate the artist and the art. Or the storyteller and the story.
diesilcreek,
2 of the artists on that list are racist, homophobic assholes that I know of from personal experience. As stated above, I guess you have to seperate the artist and the art. Or the storyteller and the story.
Has anyone else noticed that nearly in every photo published recently of a soldier relaxing, that same soldier is also smoking?
Has anyone else noticed that nearly in every photo published recently of a soldier relaxing, that same soldier is also smoking?
Above, meaning waaay above in the discussion about Joyce, et al.
Above, meaning waaay above in the discussion about Joyce, et al.
The only Frontline I like is for my dogs.
That's a good line.
The only Frontline I like is for my dogs.
That's a good line.
Lulu,
I love the thing in the New Yorker a while back about how good the hash is in Iraq. They won't show those photo's though.
Lulu,
I love the thing in the New Yorker a while back about how good the hash is in Iraq. They won't show those photo's though.
Nope, I like classical. And jazz. I have had to work many different shows in my line of work. And I can tell you, the GOP-loving artist are the biggest bunch of "please love me" wussies I've ever seen/
How about Polka? That seems pretty good to me.
Nope, I like classical. And jazz. I have had to work many different shows in my line of work. And I can tell you, the GOP-loving artist are the biggest bunch of "please love me" wussies I've ever seen/
How about Polka? That seems pretty good to me.
That's a good line.
Bush Rocks
Not as good as the line that GWB is snorting off the American public's ass.
That's a good line.
Bush Rocks
Not as good as the line that GWB is snorting off the American public's ass.
Yes, Frankie Yankovic, Al's dad, has some good tunes.
Yes, Frankie Yankovic, Al's dad, has some good tunes.
Hank Williams II
Diesel-
Isn't HWII a Bush-loving racist homophobe?
Hank Williams II
Diesel-
Isn't HWII a Bush-loving racist homophobe?
Not as good as the line that GWB is snorting off the American public's ass.
Damn! You're funny.
Not as good as the line that GWB is snorting off the American public's ass.
Damn! You're funny.
Yes, Frankie Yankovic, Al's dad, has some good tunes.
Al Franken's dad was a polka guy? Cool.
Yes, Frankie Yankovic, Al's dad, has some good tunes.
Al Franken's dad was a polka guy? Cool.
Hank Williams the third is a racist? Really. Not besefus-dufus, his kid HW III
Who is the other one?
Hank Williams the third is a racist? Really. Not besefus-dufus, his kid HW III
Who is the other one?
He wrote III not II. Much like the differences between I and II.
He wrote III not II. Much like the differences between I and II.
Hank Williams I was the best.
Hank Williams I was the best.
I'm polish. I grew up arounf polka music. Lots of votka involved...
I'm polish. I grew up arounf polka music. Lots of votka involved...
My grandaddy was a musician, as am I and my uncle, mother, great uncle (the late, great Polka king Dick Rodgers)
I shit you not
My grandaddy was a musician, as am I and my uncle, mother, great uncle (the late, great Polka king Dick Rodgers)
I shit you not
Reporter: Mr. President do you believe the government should dictate morality?
Bush: No, I think the government should dictate with morality.
Reporter: Mr. President do you believe the government should dictate morality?
Bush: No, I think the government should dictate with morality.
My grandaddy was a musician, as am I and my uncle, mother, great uncle (the late, great Polka king Dick Rodgers)
Cool.
My grandaddy was a musician, as am I and my uncle, mother, great uncle (the late, great Polka king Dick Rodgers)
Cool.
The Ohio Recount effort has until MONDAY (two days) to raise $38,000 , or the effort will fail.
Recounting Ohio has several GREAT advantages for the nation:
1) Possibility, however slight, of overturning the election(s).
2) Exposing Bush's 'mandate' for YET ANOTHER scandalous voting failure.
3) Raising awareness of the need for a thorough redesign of our voting systems, as well as further attention to Diebold partisanship and blackbox violations of state and federal contracts.
4) Continuing the fight not just to 'count all the cast ballots,' but to count ALL THE VOTES. By canvass, many 100,000s of disenfranchized voters can be given their rights.
$38,000 isn't that much, but Dems have been slow to support a Green party effort, even though the benefits are surely on OUR side as well, in all these ways. The Green party itself has comparatively little to gain for itself alone.
http://tinyurl.com/5cc6n
(I am a lifelong liberal Democrat who has NEVER voted outside the party. Please support this recount effort, even though it is the Green party pushing it through, because WE stand to benefit greatly from this third-party effort. Funds are earmarked for the recall effort, and will not go to candidates).
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The Ohio Recount effort has until MONDAY (two days) to raise $38,000 , or the effort will fail.
Recounting Ohio has several GREAT advantages for the nation:
1) Possibility, however slight, of overturning the election(s).
2) Exposing Bush's 'mandate' for YET ANOTHER scandalous voting failure.
3) Raising awareness of the need for a thorough redesign of our voting systems, as well as further attention to Diebold partisanship and blackbox violations of state and federal contracts.
4) Continuing the fight not just to 'count all the cast ballots,' but to count ALL THE VOTES. By canvass, many 100,000s of disenfranchized voters can be given their rights.
$38,000 isn't that much, but Dems have been slow to support a Green party effort, even though the benefits are surely on OUR side as well, in all these ways. The Green party itself has comparatively little to gain for itself alone.
http://tinyurl.com/5cc6n
(I am a lifelong liberal Democrat who has NEVER voted outside the party. Please support this recount effort, even though it is the Green party pushing it through, because WE stand to benefit greatly from this third-party effort. Funds are earmarked for the recall effort, and will not go to candidates).
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Iraq still festers
And now The South Koreans are saying that Chimpy will surgically strike the north.
Anybody want to bet that this triggers the biggest damn mess since the Breakthrough along the Yalu River during the Korean War. I sure don't want to imagine both Iraq and Afghanistan left half done followed by what will be a far tougher fight on the Korean Peninsula.
Gang, if 1000 to 2000 guerrillas in Fallujah can tie up 8 of 10 US divisions in Iraq, what makes any of us think that we're ready for a primetime bunch like the North Koreans who we have had previous contact with? I feel a draft. Does anyone else? If this bluster from the Korea Times is true, then Iraq is going to look like a picnic.
http://times.hankooki.com/page/
2...15044653460.htm
Title: USFK Relocation Aimed At Surgical Strikes On NK: Rep. Roh
found also by that name on http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
Iraq still festers
And now The South Koreans are saying that Chimpy will surgically strike the north.
Anybody want to bet that this triggers the biggest damn mess since the Breakthrough along the Yalu River during the Korean War. I sure don't want to imagine both Iraq and Afghanistan left half done followed by what will be a far tougher fight on the Korean Peninsula.
Gang, if 1000 to 2000 guerrillas in Fallujah can tie up 8 of 10 US divisions in Iraq, what makes any of us think that we're ready for a primetime bunch like the North Koreans who we have had previous contact with? I feel a draft. Does anyone else? If this bluster from the Korea Times is true, then Iraq is going to look like a picnic.
http://times.hankooki.com/page/
2...15044653460.htm
Title: USFK Relocation Aimed At Surgical Strikes On NK: Rep. Roh
found also by that name on http://www.informationclearinghouse.info
correct homepage address on this one.
correct homepage address on this one.
something odd is happening with the homepage address, try again
something odd is happening with the homepage address, try again
It's funny how all of these macho cowards worship the biggest macho coward of them all, GW Bush. Bush the he man who ran away on 9/11.
It's funny how all of these macho cowards worship the biggest macho coward of them all, GW Bush. Bush the he man who ran away on 9/11.
I don't understand some of the trolls....okay, Bushies...who appear on the Atrios boards.
They come in here like gloating little kids saying "we won." Who's "we" - what are they, royalty? Or just schizophrenic?
They all seem to have this attitude of "how dare you not surrender your free will and bow down to King George"?
Well, sorry -- I don't like the SOB, I didn't vote for him, and I don't have to support him. He is NOT synonymous with America and I don't have to like him to love America.
If that's too much for you to get your little minds around, oh well......
Yes, they call US unAmerican but then tell US we should leave the country, ad nauseam. As if these little nobodies who live vicariously through Monkey Boy and the GOP, have the power to decide who belongs in this country and who doesn't.
I pay my bills and the taxes (that support most of those in the red states) and I am law-abiding. I'm not going anywhere. What are these wankers trying to act like bad-asses going to do about that?
Does these people think they're going to MAKE me go to church? I work a full-time job; my weekends are MINE!
I'll bet most of these "value" folks in Cracker Nation don't go to church (they're too busy sleeping off Saturday's night's drinking binge).
I have three ancestor who were Mayflower passengers. I believe they left England to FIND freedom. I don't intend to just allow some pack of nuts to take that freedom away from me!
Don't tell me what I should or should not believe. If I choose not to believe any of it, that's my choice.
And don't go talk about freedom and being a real American if you can't respect OUR right NOT to like YOUR president!
I don't understand some of the trolls....okay, Bushies...who appear on the Atrios boards.
They come in here like gloating little kids saying "we won." Who's "we" - what are they, royalty? Or just schizophrenic?
They all seem to have this attitude of "how dare you not surrender your free will and bow down to King George"?
Well, sorry -- I don't like the SOB, I didn't vote for him, and I don't have to support him. He is NOT synonymous with America and I don't have to like him to love America.
If that's too much for you to get your little minds around, oh well......
Yes, they call US unAmerican but then tell US we should leave the country, ad nauseam. As if these little nobodies who live vicariously through Monkey Boy and the GOP, have the power to decide who belongs in this country and who doesn't.
I pay my bills and the taxes (that support most of those in the red states) and I am law-abiding. I'm not going anywhere. What are these wankers trying to act like bad-asses going to do about that?
Does these people think they're going to MAKE me go to church? I work a full-time job; my weekends are MINE!
I'll bet most of these "value" folks in Cracker Nation don't go to church (they're too busy sleeping off Saturday's night's drinking binge).
I have three ancestor who were Mayflower passengers. I believe they left England to FIND freedom. I don't intend to just allow some pack of nuts to take that freedom away from me!
Don't tell me what I should or should not believe. If I choose not to believe any of it, that's my choice.
And don't go talk about freedom and being a real American if you can't respect OUR right NOT to like YOUR president!
On my way to Atrios, I accidently screwed up the URL. "atrios.blogpsot.com" instead of "atrios.blogspot.com" and got this ultra-religious pageabout how everything in the Bible is 100% true. You all should check it out. It's funny stuff.
On my way to Atrios, I accidently screwed up the URL. "atrios.blogpsot.com" instead of "atrios.blogspot.com" and got this ultra-religious pageabout how everything in the Bible is 100% true. You all should check it out. It's funny stuff.
Well, sorry -- I don't like the SOB, I didn't vote for him, and I don't have to support him. He is NOT synonymous with America and I don't have to like him to love America.
Sorry but you do have to like him. He's the President so get behind him. As he said you're either with us or with the terrortists.
Well, sorry -- I don't like the SOB, I didn't vote for him, and I don't have to support him. He is NOT synonymous with America and I don't have to like him to love America.
Sorry but you do have to like him. He's the President so get behind him. As he said you're either with us or with the terrortists.
As he said you're either with us or with the terrortists.
And George W. Bush is certainly not with us, the American people.
Even you can do the math on that one.
As he said you're either with us or with the terrortists.
And George W. Bush is certainly not with us, the American people.
Even you can do the math on that one.
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