I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
That one's easy. We don't have a fucking clue what we're doing and we haven't got even a little support from the locals.
We'd need a whole butt load more of troops there to even begin to control that road.
That one's easy. We don't have a fucking clue what we're doing and we haven't got even a little support from the locals.
We'd need a whole butt load more of troops there to even begin to control that road.
What are you talking about? According to FOX we are victorious. We have crushed the resistance so Iraq can throw free and fair elections
What are you talking about? According to FOX we are victorious. We have crushed the resistance so Iraq can throw free and fair elections
The insurgents are just big cheaters.
The insurgents are just big cheaters.
Just Wondering...
Have A Nice, Hot Cup O' Joe!
Just Wondering...
Have A Nice, Hot Cup O' Joe!
maybe that is the next made for teevee battle. they will announce that they plan to do it, then advertise it for a couple of weeks. then they will have another stunning military success like fallujah.
maybe that is the next made for teevee battle. they will announce that they plan to do it, then advertise it for a couple of weeks. then they will have another stunning military success like fallujah.
Same reason "we" couldn't secure weapons dumps all over Iraq...some combination of what is clearly ineptitude based on wishful thinking, too few troops and inadequate force protection to carry out a serious occupation, and far more insurgents and infiltration of "our Iraqis" than anyone ever predicted or currently admits to. Also the gross asymetry of a guerrilla war conducted against a conventional, foreign army.
Same reason "we" couldn't secure weapons dumps all over Iraq...some combination of what is clearly ineptitude based on wishful thinking, too few troops and inadequate force protection to carry out a serious occupation, and far more insurgents and infiltration of "our Iraqis" than anyone ever predicted or currently admits to. Also the gross asymetry of a guerrilla war conducted against a conventional, foreign army.
i blame bush.
i blame bush.
Oh, I see. No doubt you'd like this road to be secured so you can use it to hold gay weddings! In Taxachussetts!
You have to get over this irrational hatred of a sitting president.
Oh, I see. No doubt you'd like this road to be secured so you can use it to hold gay weddings! In Taxachussetts!
You have to get over this irrational hatred of a sitting president.
What are you talking about? According to FOX we are victorious. We have crushed the resistance so Iraq can throw free and fair elections
I know absolutely nothing about military strategy or tactics so I have no idea if invading Fallujah broke the resistence in its current form or not.
But I do notice the 900 pound gorilla in the room. Even if the US military beats the insurgents time and time again it's pretty obvious that we're going to have to maintain at least 100,000 troops in Iraq for the next few years.
Because while a bit outmatched by the US Marine Corps, I have no doubt the insurgents would obliterate the "Iraqi" army.
That to me seems the real problem.
What are you talking about? According to FOX we are victorious. We have crushed the resistance so Iraq can throw free and fair elections
I know absolutely nothing about military strategy or tactics so I have no idea if invading Fallujah broke the resistence in its current form or not.
But I do notice the 900 pound gorilla in the room. Even if the US military beats the insurgents time and time again it's pretty obvious that we're going to have to maintain at least 100,000 troops in Iraq for the next few years.
Because while a bit outmatched by the US Marine Corps, I have no doubt the insurgents would obliterate the "Iraqi" army.
That to me seems the real problem.
Easy: Not enough troops.
But luckily the draft will return soon.
Easy: Not enough troops.
But luckily the draft will return soon.
the thing is, it has to be timed properly. right now there is no need for a stunning military success because people are satisfied with the stunning military success in fallujah. after that success wears off they will orchestrate another one.
the thing is, it has to be timed properly. right now there is no need for a stunning military success because people are satisfied with the stunning military success in fallujah. after that success wears off they will orchestrate another one.
anyway, major combat operations are over.
anyway, major combat operations are over.
Because the invasion of Iraq is the greatest fuckup since Varus decided to take a stroll to the Teutonberg Forest.
Because the invasion of Iraq is the greatest fuckup since Varus decided to take a stroll to the Teutonberg Forest.
Just Wondering...
Have A Nice, Hot Cup O' Joe!
Joe Vecchio
Boy, Joe, I sure hope all your blogwhoring increases traffic to your site! Not that you're getting any hits from me, mind you.
Just sayin'.
Just Wondering...
Have A Nice, Hot Cup O' Joe!
Joe Vecchio
Boy, Joe, I sure hope all your blogwhoring increases traffic to your site! Not that you're getting any hits from me, mind you.
Just sayin'.
OT,
Haloscan is real piece of crap.
OT,
Haloscan is real piece of crap.
haloscan is pissing me off
haloscan is pissing me off
Basic premise of guerilla warfare.
Keep your opponent on the run. What... you haven't noticed this yet?
Obviously the dumbfucks in charge haven't.
Shit... I'm just a lowly grunt turned helicopter crewman.
Like Hackworth has been sayin for a long time now - this is what you get for putting politician card punchers in charge of a war.
And, who's paying the ultimate cost for it?
Not them.
Basic premise of guerilla warfare.
Keep your opponent on the run. What... you haven't noticed this yet?
Obviously the dumbfucks in charge haven't.
Shit... I'm just a lowly grunt turned helicopter crewman.
Like Hackworth has been sayin for a long time now - this is what you get for putting politician card punchers in charge of a war.
And, who's paying the ultimate cost for it?
Not them.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
Same reason "we" couldn't secure weapons dumps all over Iraq...some combination of ineptitude based on wishful thinking, too few troops to carry out a serious occupation, far more insurgents and infiltration of "our Iraqis" than the Pentagon's genius crew were/are willing to imagine, much less admit, and the gross assymetry of a guerrilla war waged by fanatics and angry locals against a conventional, foreign army.
What should be surprising is that any of this stuff is surprising. I was a total skeptic about the "national security" threat from Saddam, thought that the outcome of the war was more likely to be some negative combination of "unintended consequences" than a triumph of neo-con ideological assumptions, thought the generals were being shunted aside in the planning, etc. etc. - but I have to admit, I'm still shaking my head at the obvious ineptitude of these clowns, the heels dug even deeper in the wake of their blatant failures and misconceptions, and the fact that the "liberators" have generated an even more bold, self-sacrificing opposition than the monster Saddam.
Same reason "we" couldn't secure weapons dumps all over Iraq...some combination of ineptitude based on wishful thinking, too few troops to carry out a serious occupation, far more insurgents and infiltration of "our Iraqis" than the Pentagon's genius crew were/are willing to imagine, much less admit, and the gross assymetry of a guerrilla war waged by fanatics and angry locals against a conventional, foreign army.
What should be surprising is that any of this stuff is surprising. I was a total skeptic about the "national security" threat from Saddam, thought that the outcome of the war was more likely to be some negative combination of "unintended consequences" than a triumph of neo-con ideological assumptions, thought the generals were being shunted aside in the planning, etc. etc. - but I have to admit, I'm still shaking my head at the obvious ineptitude of these clowns, the heels dug even deeper in the wake of their blatant failures and misconceptions, and the fact that the "liberators" have generated an even more bold, self-sacrificing opposition than the monster Saddam.
"...greatest fuckup since Varus decided to take a stroll to the Teutonberg Forest'
Hey - that's my favourite scenario in Rome:Total War! I've even defeated the Barbarians a couple of times.
Maybe they should do an America:Total War addon.
"...greatest fuckup since Varus decided to take a stroll to the Teutonberg Forest'
Hey - that's my favourite scenario in Rome:Total War! I've even defeated the Barbarians a couple of times.
Maybe they should do an America:Total War addon.
If the road was secured just think of all the mercenaries (or security contractors) we'd be putting outta work...
If the road was secured just think of all the mercenaries (or security contractors) we'd be putting outta work...
It's sad really. This was completely predictable.
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
It's sad really. This was completely predictable.
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
I guess no one in neo-con land has ever read "The 7 Pillars of Wisdom" or seen Lawrence of Arabia.
I guess no one in neo-con land has ever read "The 7 Pillars of Wisdom" or seen Lawrence of Arabia.
Oh well, guess I'll call my travel agent and cancel that Christmas vacation in Baghdad.
Oh well, guess I'll call my travel agent and cancel that Christmas vacation in Baghdad.
I was explaining this war to my 18-year old son yesterday. We can kill 500 Iraqis and it doesn't do us a damn bit of good. While our foes -- be they "insurgents" or just Iraqis who want us out -- can kill one American and have it looked on as a victory.
Oddly enough, I told him, one of the people who understood that kind of lopsided calculus was our own General George Washington. Central to his strategy was the fact that every day that the British had to pay to fight the American insurgency was one day more than they wanted, and one day closer to independence.
Y'know who else understands this about Washington? Osama bin Laden. Witness his last video, where he said outright he wants to bankrupt us.
You would think a country that owes its very existence to insurgency and guerilla war would display a greater awareness of the pitfalls we face in places like Iraq.
It very much disturbs me that our enemies understand some of the most fundamental aspects of our history better than we do.
The sad reality is there is simply no precedent for what we are doing in Iraq that did not end very, very badly.
I was explaining this war to my 18-year old son yesterday. We can kill 500 Iraqis and it doesn't do us a damn bit of good. While our foes -- be they "insurgents" or just Iraqis who want us out -- can kill one American and have it looked on as a victory.
Oddly enough, I told him, one of the people who understood that kind of lopsided calculus was our own General George Washington. Central to his strategy was the fact that every day that the British had to pay to fight the American insurgency was one day more than they wanted, and one day closer to independence.
Y'know who else understands this about Washington? Osama bin Laden. Witness his last video, where he said outright he wants to bankrupt us.
You would think a country that owes its very existence to insurgency and guerilla war would display a greater awareness of the pitfalls we face in places like Iraq.
It very much disturbs me that our enemies understand some of the most fundamental aspects of our history better than we do.
The sad reality is there is simply no precedent for what we are doing in Iraq that did not end very, very badly.
fourlegsgood,
Seriously, you heard buyers remorse on CSPAN? From Repub callers?
Excellent.............
I do heartily understand your frustration, but on the bright side....
fourlegsgood,
Seriously, you heard buyers remorse on CSPAN? From Repub callers?
Excellent.............
I do heartily understand your frustration, but on the bright side....
Yep,
this delayed posting glitch in the Haloscan API is a treat.
Yep,
this delayed posting glitch in the Haloscan API is a treat.
"BAGHDAD, Iraq The U-S military says five American soldiers have been wounded in a car bombing along an airport road in western Baghdad."
WTF?!? Just how many damn airports and roads to them are there in west Baghdad? What a perfect example of not being able to say shit with a mouth full of it.
This and the regular shelling of the Green Zone says it all. The U.S. in Iraq is truely fucked. I just can't figure out if the refusal to ask for more troops is (publicly) is a because they like getting shelled or if they figure it will be less of a cluster fuck when they have to bug out.
"BAGHDAD, Iraq The U-S military says five American soldiers have been wounded in a car bombing along an airport road in western Baghdad."
WTF?!? Just how many damn airports and roads to them are there in west Baghdad? What a perfect example of not being able to say shit with a mouth full of it.
This and the regular shelling of the Green Zone says it all. The U.S. in Iraq is truely fucked. I just can't figure out if the refusal to ask for more troops is (publicly) is a because they like getting shelled or if they figure it will be less of a cluster fuck when they have to bug out.
chimpy is on CNN blathering on about free trade.
He says we're willing to help any country who's willing to fight corruption in their country with "relief from the crushing burden of debt."
In the meantime his party protects a corrupt politician in a leadership position and imposes crushing debt on the people of america.
The man is completely clueless.
chimpy is on CNN blathering on about free trade.
He says we're willing to help any country who's willing to fight corruption in their country with "relief from the crushing burden of debt."
In the meantime his party protects a corrupt politician in a leadership position and imposes crushing debt on the people of america.
The man is completely clueless.
On November 8, 2004 two members of the National Guard located in the greater geographical area in which I live (St. Joseph, MO --- AKA "the place where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended!!!") died while protecting a convoy on that highway
They died to protect Charles Deurfer...
Here is the quandry --- Would I feel more outraged IF they had died protecting Wolfie or Condi or Rummy as opposed to the man who stated that the shrub administration was full of BS???
I don't know.......
On November 8, 2004 two members of the National Guard located in the greater geographical area in which I live (St. Joseph, MO --- AKA "the place where the Pony Express began and Jesse James ended!!!") died while protecting a convoy on that highway
They died to protect Charles Deurfer...
Here is the quandry --- Would I feel more outraged IF they had died protecting Wolfie or Condi or Rummy as opposed to the man who stated that the shrub administration was full of BS???
I don't know.......
It's sad really. This was completely predictable.
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
fourlegsgood
I agree, it is sad. There's a lot of naive moderate Republicans out there who think there is still something called "checks and balances". They think the president is still accountable to the people. And they're wrong.
I saw a poll right after the election where the majority of the electorate wanted Bush to start fixing Iraq and the economy. And I thought, do people actually think that arrogant fuck gives a shit about what the American people want him to do over the next four years?
It's sad really. This was completely predictable.
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
fourlegsgood
I agree, it is sad. There's a lot of naive moderate Republicans out there who think there is still something called "checks and balances". They think the president is still accountable to the people. And they're wrong.
I saw a poll right after the election where the majority of the electorate wanted Bush to start fixing Iraq and the economy. And I thought, do people actually think that arrogant fuck gives a shit about what the American people want him to do over the next four years?
Hacking it in Iraq
A safe ride into Baghdad? Priceless. (For once, I beat the A-man by 18 hours on this one...)
Hacking it in Iraq
A safe ride into Baghdad? Priceless. (For once, I beat the A-man by 18 hours on this one...)
kent, yes I did. Then I heard a woman call in on the democrat line and say "all you people complaining about Bush, well, you voted for him, what did you think was going to happen?" or something like that.
It's too late now. The republicans won't listen to disgruntled republicans any more than they'll listen to us.
kent, yes I did. Then I heard a woman call in on the democrat line and say "all you people complaining about Bush, well, you voted for him, what did you think was going to happen?" or something like that.
It's too late now. The republicans won't listen to disgruntled republicans any more than they'll listen to us.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Democrats are as cowardly as the Marines in Fallujah. That's why they lose.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Democrats are as cowardly as the Marines in Fallujah. That's why they lose.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Funny thing is at the end of those long 50 months, they're going to be blaming Clinton for what went wrong in Iraq when they finally declare victory and leave.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Funny thing is at the end of those long 50 months, they're going to be blaming Clinton for what went wrong in Iraq when they finally declare victory and leave.
It's too late now. The republicans won't listen to disgruntled republicans any more than they'll listen to us.
Having seen the light, I can only hope that they join us in '06 to make some needed adjustments.
The Republicans were never planning on listening to anyone outside their little bubble enclosed enclave, they just needed to swindle enough to get their chance. So I will take this lemon and try to make some lemonade.
It's too late now. The republicans won't listen to disgruntled republicans any more than they'll listen to us.
Having seen the light, I can only hope that they join us in '06 to make some needed adjustments.
The Republicans were never planning on listening to anyone outside their little bubble enclosed enclave, they just needed to swindle enough to get their chance. So I will take this lemon and try to make some lemonade.
I saw a poll right after the election where the majority of the electorate wanted Bush to start fixing Iraq and the economy.
Oh right. Like he was so successful the first four years. Guess what folks, you gave the guy who fucked things up the first time the opportunity to fix the things he fucked up.
Good plan! No, you're going to get more of the same.
I saw a poll right after the election where the majority of the electorate wanted Bush to start fixing Iraq and the economy.
Oh right. Like he was so successful the first four years. Guess what folks, you gave the guy who fucked things up the first time the opportunity to fix the things he fucked up.
Good plan! No, you're going to get more of the same.
Silly Rabbit. Securing infrastructure is for people serious about achieving their goals. As long as this war is about increasing Dick's Halliburton profits there will continue to be these security breaches in Iraq.
Silly Rabbit. Securing infrastructure is for people serious about achieving their goals. As long as this war is about increasing Dick's Halliburton profits there will continue to be these security breaches in Iraq.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Walter Cronkite
Actually, I plan on enjoying it - I plan on savoring the site of Republican dismay when every non-evangelical, non-end-of-days Bush voter wakes up and realizes the guy is out of control and doesn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think.
Sounds to me like it's already happening. And yeah, I'm liking it.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Walter Cronkite
Actually, I plan on enjoying it - I plan on savoring the site of Republican dismay when every non-evangelical, non-end-of-days Bush voter wakes up and realizes the guy is out of control and doesn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think.
Sounds to me like it's already happening. And yeah, I'm liking it.
As war profiteers, these guys make JP Morgan look like a kid running a lemonade stand.
excerpt:
"“...Only twenty-four at the [Civil] war’s beginning, [J. Pierpont] Morgan perceived from the first that wars were for the shrewd to profit from and poor to die in...He received a tip that a store of government-owned rifles had been condemned as defective and with the simplicity of genius he bought them from the government for $17,500 on one day and sold them back to the government on the next for $110,000...A Congressional committee investigating his little deal said of him and other hijacking profiteers, ‘Worse than traitors are the men who, pretending loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation.’”"
As war profiteers, these guys make JP Morgan look like a kid running a lemonade stand.
excerpt:
"“...Only twenty-four at the [Civil] war’s beginning, [J. Pierpont] Morgan perceived from the first that wars were for the shrewd to profit from and poor to die in...He received a tip that a store of government-owned rifles had been condemned as defective and with the simplicity of genius he bought them from the government for $17,500 on one day and sold them back to the government on the next for $110,000...A Congressional committee investigating his little deal said of him and other hijacking profiteers, ‘Worse than traitors are the men who, pretending loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation.’”"
We can't secure the road to Baghdad because Clinton got a blowjob from an intern.
Oh, and because Democrats aren't buying enough "support the troops" ribbon magnets.
We can't secure the road to Baghdad because Clinton got a blowjob from an intern.
Oh, and because Democrats aren't buying enough "support the troops" ribbon magnets.
Isn't it about time that we realized the "bungling" in Iraq is the plan, and the agenda and results for Iraq aren't "success" in the traditional sense?
Isn't it about time that we realized the "bungling" in Iraq is the plan, and the agenda and results for Iraq aren't "success" in the traditional sense?
Well, if they weren't there in the first place, they wouldn't have to worry about getting hurt, right? I mean, the Iraqis have to be there, unless miserable failure wants to move them all over here so we can take over their country.
I AM SO PISSED when I think about those people living their lives in their own country and then we decide to cheneying shock and awe them and then continue the killing of the residents of Iraq.
Well, if they weren't there in the first place, they wouldn't have to worry about getting hurt, right? I mean, the Iraqis have to be there, unless miserable failure wants to move them all over here so we can take over their country.
I AM SO PISSED when I think about those people living their lives in their own country and then we decide to cheneying shock and awe them and then continue the killing of the residents of Iraq.
and Yes, I do have compassion for our troops and I wish they were not in harms way. BUT I did not put them there. I marched against this cheneying war.
and Yes, I do have compassion for our troops and I wish they were not in harms way. BUT I did not put them there. I marched against this cheneying war.
The reason? It's not cost effective. We're only losing a couple of troops on that road every month. No big deal.
The reason? It's not cost effective. We're only losing a couple of troops on that road every month. No big deal.
Why should the road from Baghdad to its airport be any safer than the one from Saigon to Tan Son Nhat during the Vietnam War? We didn't have enough troops for that war and we certainly don't have enough deployed for this one. It would probably take at least one full division deployed along the length of the road to secure it 24/7 and our commanders in Baghdad don't have the forces to assign that many troops to a point defense. So, our forces will just continue to bleed to death from a thousand tiny cuts inflicted every day.
Why should the road from Baghdad to its airport be any safer than the one from Saigon to Tan Son Nhat during the Vietnam War? We didn't have enough troops for that war and we certainly don't have enough deployed for this one. It would probably take at least one full division deployed along the length of the road to secure it 24/7 and our commanders in Baghdad don't have the forces to assign that many troops to a point defense. So, our forces will just continue to bleed to death from a thousand tiny cuts inflicted every day.
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 3:02 pm | #
Ha ha ha ha ha aaaah ha ha ha ha
Yup... I wonder, too.
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 3:02 pm | #
Ha ha ha ha ha aaaah ha ha ha ha
Yup... I wonder, too.
Isn't it about time that we realized the "bungling" in Iraq is the plan, and the agenda and results for Iraq aren't "success" in the traditional sense?
I think we have two different perspectives. The Republicans tend to see things in military terms.
"Success" for them means beating the insurgents in a pitched battle.
There's no question they can do that.
But "success" in the form of being able to leave is eluding them so right now things seem to be stalemated. "We" can beat the insurgents on the battlefield with minimal (and as bad as they are 25 dead soldiers to take a whole city is minimal) but the insurgents know that as soon as "we" leave, they can take over the country.
That's my definition of a stalemate.
Isn't it about time that we realized the "bungling" in Iraq is the plan, and the agenda and results for Iraq aren't "success" in the traditional sense?
I think we have two different perspectives. The Republicans tend to see things in military terms.
"Success" for them means beating the insurgents in a pitched battle.
There's no question they can do that.
But "success" in the form of being able to leave is eluding them so right now things seem to be stalemated. "We" can beat the insurgents on the battlefield with minimal (and as bad as they are 25 dead soldiers to take a whole city is minimal) but the insurgents know that as soon as "we" leave, they can take over the country.
That's my definition of a stalemate.
I LOVE this thing with Delay...and the appontment of Condi...hope Wolfowitz gets Defense when Rummy retires. This administration and their party are such scum that the best we can hope for is that they let it all hang out on their second time around. They've made the Nixon administration look honest and the Reagan administration look moderate. I just hope that whoever voted for these mooks bears a least some of the brunt of what's in store.
I LOVE this thing with Delay...and the appontment of Condi...hope Wolfowitz gets Defense when Rummy retires. This administration and their party are such scum that the best we can hope for is that they let it all hang out on their second time around. They've made the Nixon administration look honest and the Reagan administration look moderate. I just hope that whoever voted for these mooks bears a least some of the brunt of what's in store.
From Counterpunch in June, but don't let that stop you reading it.
Also, here, originally from the NYT:
Nineteen months after toppling Saddam Hussein, the American military and Iraqi forces have yet to secure what is arguably the country's most important stretch of road - the five-mile umbilical cord connecting Iraq to the world, the transit point for diplomats, business people, aid workers, security contractors and journalists. The security vacuum along it is emblematic of the sheer inability to maintain control over key areas of the country.
Like an initiation rite, they have to run a gantlet on the six-lane highway before they can even begin work here. The assaults are frequent and varied: insurgents with Kalashnikovs staging coordinated ambushes using four or five cars, or popping up on an overpass with rocket-propelled grenades, setting off chains of artillery shells buried in the ground. Over nine weeks last summer, the military recorded 200 attacks.
Last month, at least two dozen major attacks took place along the east-west artery and nine inside Camp Victory, the operations center of the American-led forces next to the airport, according to an analysis by a Western security contractor. Those numbers are almost certainly a gross underestimate, said a security adviser for a Western television network.
You can also download a satellite photo of the road if you have login privileges. It's basically a shooting gallery.
But that's been a hallmark of the Iraq debacle.
From Counterpunch in June, but don't let that stop you reading it.
Also, here, originally from the NYT:
Nineteen months after toppling Saddam Hussein, the American military and Iraqi forces have yet to secure what is arguably the country's most important stretch of road - the five-mile umbilical cord connecting Iraq to the world, the transit point for diplomats, business people, aid workers, security contractors and journalists. The security vacuum along it is emblematic of the sheer inability to maintain control over key areas of the country.
Like an initiation rite, they have to run a gantlet on the six-lane highway before they can even begin work here. The assaults are frequent and varied: insurgents with Kalashnikovs staging coordinated ambushes using four or five cars, or popping up on an overpass with rocket-propelled grenades, setting off chains of artillery shells buried in the ground. Over nine weeks last summer, the military recorded 200 attacks.
Last month, at least two dozen major attacks took place along the east-west artery and nine inside Camp Victory, the operations center of the American-led forces next to the airport, according to an analysis by a Western security contractor. Those numbers are almost certainly a gross underestimate, said a security adviser for a Western television network.
You can also download a satellite photo of the road if you have login privileges. It's basically a shooting gallery.
But that's been a hallmark of the Iraq debacle.
NOT ENOUGH TROOPS!!!
NOT ENOUGH TROOPS!!!
is a dream a lie if it don't come true
or is it something worse?
is a dream a lie if it don't come true
or is it something worse?
Oh, and the trip from downtown Baghdad to the airport is about the same distance as the trip from downtown Chicago to O'Hare. (And Baghdad has a similar population to Chicago.)
Oh, and the trip from downtown Baghdad to the airport is about the same distance as the trip from downtown Chicago to O'Hare. (And Baghdad has a similar population to Chicago.)
I'll do you one better. Reid, pay attention-take some advice
From AP:
or Democrats trying to figure out what they need to do as an opposition party, there should be little confusion about how to approach the new role, or the newly acknowledged role. They have to come out slugging. There’s recent history to draw on; it wasn’t so long ago that Republicans, despite always being competitive (and sometimes even dominant) in presidential elections, seemed irrevocably tagged as the opposition party. Governors’ mansions, statehouses, city halls, both chambers of Congress -- all were dominated by Democrats for more than two generations.
Republicans didn’t just let the Democrats dig their own grave, though that wasn’t an implausible strategy. They knew what they wanted and they fought for it. They actively went out and undermined and discredited the very foundations of the Democratic Party, slowly disassembling its coalition and appropriating its power. They began with the obvious, which is to define yourself by what you say “no” to: taxes, regulation, a woman’s right to end a pregnancy at her own discretion. That’s the essence of opposition. But to close the deal, they made people feel righteous about what they were against. So government programs become government waste, and regulation became red tape. It was clear that the government needed to get off the backs of the people, and, of course, every life was sacred. Suddenly they had core values.
The GOP assault was strategic, relentless, and completely unaccommodating to the notion that there was any redeeming value to the other side. “Liberal” became a dirty word and the U.S. government, that fabulous piece of constitutional architecture, became a force for evil.
Democrats didn't lose the election because they were tagged as obstructionists, or because they actually were obstructionists, or because they spent too much time obstructing rather than advancing a compelling alternative agenda.
They lost because they got out-muscled in Ohio, Florida, South Dakota, and all of those southern states where they lost Senate seats. In Texas, where Tom DeLay so brilliantly out-hustled them, Democrats lost four incumbents, two of whom, Martin Frost and Charlie Stenholm, had been in the House for 25 years. Those old Texas hands were not out of touch with their districts; they just got hammered by the other side, and not about ideas. Stenholm is so conservative that he spent a good part of the last decade explaining why he had not switched parties. Still, the bull’s-eye on his back could not have been bigger if his last name were Rangel, instead of Stenholm. And they got him.
The GOP just played the game better, harder, and with more feeling. Who would think of a second round of redistricting between Census counts? People who understand the need to press every advantage and then do it. There’s no question that some policy repositioning is in order, but that’s routine work for any party that
I'll do you one better. Reid, pay attention-take some advice
From AP:
or Democrats trying to figure out what they need to do as an opposition party, there should be little confusion about how to approach the new role, or the newly acknowledged role. They have to come out slugging. There’s recent history to draw on; it wasn’t so long ago that Republicans, despite always being competitive (and sometimes even dominant) in presidential elections, seemed irrevocably tagged as the opposition party. Governors’ mansions, statehouses, city halls, both chambers of Congress -- all were dominated by Democrats for more than two generations.
Republicans didn’t just let the Democrats dig their own grave, though that wasn’t an implausible strategy. They knew what they wanted and they fought for it. They actively went out and undermined and discredited the very foundations of the Democratic Party, slowly disassembling its coalition and appropriating its power. They began with the obvious, which is to define yourself by what you say “no” to: taxes, regulation, a woman’s right to end a pregnancy at her own discretion. That’s the essence of opposition. But to close the deal, they made people feel righteous about what they were against. So government programs become government waste, and regulation became red tape. It was clear that the government needed to get off the backs of the people, and, of course, every life was sacred. Suddenly they had core values.
The GOP assault was strategic, relentless, and completely unaccommodating to the notion that there was any redeeming value to the other side. “Liberal” became a dirty word and the U.S. government, that fabulous piece of constitutional architecture, became a force for evil.
Democrats didn't lose the election because they were tagged as obstructionists, or because they actually were obstructionists, or because they spent too much time obstructing rather than advancing a compelling alternative agenda.
They lost because they got out-muscled in Ohio, Florida, South Dakota, and all of those southern states where they lost Senate seats. In Texas, where Tom DeLay so brilliantly out-hustled them, Democrats lost four incumbents, two of whom, Martin Frost and Charlie Stenholm, had been in the House for 25 years. Those old Texas hands were not out of touch with their districts; they just got hammered by the other side, and not about ideas. Stenholm is so conservative that he spent a good part of the last decade explaining why he had not switched parties. Still, the bull’s-eye on his back could not have been bigger if his last name were Rangel, instead of Stenholm. And they got him.
The GOP just played the game better, harder, and with more feeling. Who would think of a second round of redistricting between Census counts? People who understand the need to press every advantage and then do it. There’s no question that some policy repositioning is in order, but that’s routine work for any party that
Well, US troops on their way to the airport can just shoot "insurgents" and contractors living off the Federal teat can pay $5000 of taxpayer money per ride.
Therefore, as far as the Bush Administration is concerned, there is no problem whatsoever with the road to the Baghdad Airport.
Furthermore, they wish you'd report on "Tabby", the little girl from Iraq who was flown over for medical care, and not on those thousands of dead civilians. "What's wrong with you liberals?"
Well, US troops on their way to the airport can just shoot "insurgents" and contractors living off the Federal teat can pay $5000 of taxpayer money per ride.
Therefore, as far as the Bush Administration is concerned, there is no problem whatsoever with the road to the Baghdad Airport.
Furthermore, they wish you'd report on "Tabby", the little girl from Iraq who was flown over for medical care, and not on those thousands of dead civilians. "What's wrong with you liberals?"
This sort of question came up on Billmon's blog a few months ago. I'm too lazy to actually find it, but someone in the know, apparently, commented (and Billmon posted about the comment) that the US had changed things around, and actually operates from a smaller airport elsewhere.
This sort of question came up on Billmon's blog a few months ago. I'm too lazy to actually find it, but someone in the know, apparently, commented (and Billmon posted about the comment) that the US had changed things around, and actually operates from a smaller airport elsewhere.
new mastercard ad:
-Taxi Ride cost from the airport to downtown Baghdad? $5,000.00
-Added protection from US military? 1 dead marine.
-Freedom on the march? Priceless.
new mastercard ad:
-Taxi Ride cost from the airport to downtown Baghdad? $5,000.00
-Added protection from US military? 1 dead marine.
-Freedom on the march? Priceless.
Iraq is the biggest fuck up since Abe Lincoln said "I think I will take in a play tonight"
What I can't understand is how Bush 1 can go on supporting Junior. I mean, at least Bush 1 served in world war 2. He was head of the CIA for God's sake. Has he seen what chimpy is doing to that institution?
Bush1 needs to come out and apologise to the world for what his son is doing. "My fellow Americans, we never should have let him out of kindergarten"
Iraq is the biggest fuck up since Abe Lincoln said "I think I will take in a play tonight"
What I can't understand is how Bush 1 can go on supporting Junior. I mean, at least Bush 1 served in world war 2. He was head of the CIA for God's sake. Has he seen what chimpy is doing to that institution?
Bush1 needs to come out and apologise to the world for what his son is doing. "My fellow Americans, we never should have let him out of kindergarten"
isn't the airport closed until further notice anyway? I thought Allawi did that a week or two ago.
isn't the airport closed until further notice anyway? I thought Allawi did that a week or two ago.
That war is over, as is the one in Afghanistan, but Cheney hasn't made his quota yet, and the chimp is far too stupid to see the truth. And Live Free Or Die, that's just bullshit that the repigs fought harder. They stole 2 elections. Stole them. That's not fighting harder, that's illegal, immoral activity. That's stealing democracy for their own personal gain. They deserve prison and nothing else. America has been lost from the inside, which was inevitable as presidents were allowed to pardon felons, then allowed to rehire the same convicted liars and thieves, as Bushco did. No better than the mafia, in fact, not nearly as well-organized or smart. But there we are, with our country virtually lost, and whatever we manage to wrest back from them will be quite different from what they stole. elections from this point are for suckers. The Iraqis have the right idea.
That war is over, as is the one in Afghanistan, but Cheney hasn't made his quota yet, and the chimp is far too stupid to see the truth. And Live Free Or Die, that's just bullshit that the repigs fought harder. They stole 2 elections. Stole them. That's not fighting harder, that's illegal, immoral activity. That's stealing democracy for their own personal gain. They deserve prison and nothing else. America has been lost from the inside, which was inevitable as presidents were allowed to pardon felons, then allowed to rehire the same convicted liars and thieves, as Bushco did. No better than the mafia, in fact, not nearly as well-organized or smart. But there we are, with our country virtually lost, and whatever we manage to wrest back from them will be quite different from what they stole. elections from this point are for suckers. The Iraqis have the right idea.
They are so blinded by their ignorance that they see no history, no morality, no sense of goodness and courage. They are the bullies, the true weaklings that would destroy the finest example of human governance in history, just to make some fucked-up point that only a few deserve what they can steal, the rest can take a leap.
Typical liberal bloviating. Tell me, what have you done? You sit here on this blog and cuss at me. But did you or your party ever organize to stop the right wing? Last time I checked you were awol for:
* Demanding justice for the killing of the Kennedys and King? Nope. You were busy believing that some lone nut had done it and calling each other conspiracy theorists.
* Organizing for the protection of unions as they were under assualt during Reagan. Again, awol. Where were you? Probably getting your rocks off in Club Med, while the right was busy dismantling the true opposition to corporate power.
* Organizing for the removal of Ken Starr and the Clinton Inquisition. Again awol. Where were you? Probably listening to talk shows and yelling at your TV, but doing nothing.
* Organizaing against election theft in 2000 and 2004. Again awol. In fact most of you are sticking your heads in the sand and pretending nothing happened.
You are pathetic and weak. You're all talk. That's why I support the GOP. They walk the talk, right or wrong, at least they stand up for what they believe in.
They are so blinded by their ignorance that they see no history, no morality, no sense of goodness and courage. They are the bullies, the true weaklings that would destroy the finest example of human governance in history, just to make some fucked-up point that only a few deserve what they can steal, the rest can take a leap.
Typical liberal bloviating. Tell me, what have you done? You sit here on this blog and cuss at me. But did you or your party ever organize to stop the right wing? Last time I checked you were awol for:
* Demanding justice for the killing of the Kennedys and King? Nope. You were busy believing that some lone nut had done it and calling each other conspiracy theorists.
* Organizing for the protection of unions as they were under assualt during Reagan. Again, awol. Where were you? Probably getting your rocks off in Club Med, while the right was busy dismantling the true opposition to corporate power.
* Organizing for the removal of Ken Starr and the Clinton Inquisition. Again awol. Where were you? Probably listening to talk shows and yelling at your TV, but doing nothing.
* Organizaing against election theft in 2000 and 2004. Again awol. In fact most of you are sticking your heads in the sand and pretending nothing happened.
You are pathetic and weak. You're all talk. That's why I support the GOP. They walk the talk, right or wrong, at least they stand up for what they believe in.
"At least 10% of each reconstruction project budget in Iraq goes on protection".
Shouldn't that read, "At least 10% of..each U.S. tax dollar.."?
"At least 10% of each reconstruction project budget in Iraq goes on protection".
Shouldn't that read, "At least 10% of..each U.S. tax dollar.."?
It offers two daily 90-minute flights, although times are subject to changes and cancellations, depending on whether the airport is under mortar attack.
So awesome! I'm cracking up over here. Sounds like a SNL skit.
It's not like flying out of O'Hare, where takeoff times are subject to change 'depending on whether the airport is experiencing heavy snow and/or icing conditions'. It's so nonchalant - 'depending on whether the airport is under mortar attack'.
No worries, mate! Sit back, relax, get a bit of Vitamin B, and we'll be on our way in no-time, or not, but good luck to you today, sir.
It offers two daily 90-minute flights, although times are subject to changes and cancellations, depending on whether the airport is under mortar attack.
So awesome! I'm cracking up over here. Sounds like a SNL skit.
It's not like flying out of O'Hare, where takeoff times are subject to change 'depending on whether the airport is experiencing heavy snow and/or icing conditions'. It's so nonchalant - 'depending on whether the airport is under mortar attack'.
No worries, mate! Sit back, relax, get a bit of Vitamin B, and we'll be on our way in no-time, or not, but good luck to you today, sir.
You naysayers don't realize that Iraq is a rousing success since the goal is to destroy it, and we've more than accomplished that. Theocracy is good, too. Wait for elections. The mosque is ours. Easy peasy.
On to Iran...cough...cough. Did I say Iran? Maybe. Or maybe Syria.
Suckahhs!
You naysayers don't realize that Iraq is a rousing success since the goal is to destroy it, and we've more than accomplished that. Theocracy is good, too. Wait for elections. The mosque is ours. Easy peasy.
On to Iran...cough...cough. Did I say Iran? Maybe. Or maybe Syria.
Suckahhs!
For Bush the only way out of Iraq now is through Iran. Creating total chaos in the Middle East, one country at a time.
For Bush the only way out of Iraq now is through Iran. Creating total chaos in the Middle East, one country at a time.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Democrats are as cowardly as the Marines in Fallujah. That's why they lose.
My original posts have made no mention of Marines. The concluding sentence is being added by the admin, who will probably deny my IP soon. Fascist lefties. Have fin for the next four years, intolerant moonbats.
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Democrats are as cowardly as the Marines in Fallujah. That's why they lose.
My original posts have made no mention of Marines. The concluding sentence is being added by the admin, who will probably deny my IP soon. Fascist lefties. Have fin for the next four years, intolerant moonbats.
The Values of the Right:
(a partial list)
win at any price
our god is better than yours
all power to Der Fuehrer
voter suppression
evangelism
science twisted for political purposes
justice if you can afford it
torture
all the news we think you need to know
know your place
anything for a buck
women are baby-makers and cookie-bakers
Correct. But the spineless Democratic party, and the withering Unions are doing what exactly to oppose this?
As I said earlier, all I ever see from you collectively is a lot of talk and no action. You've sat on your collective hands for the past half century believing that you were making "progress", while ignoring the reality that the right was taking over the government.
I believe nothing you say. Nothing. I believe what the GOP says because if they say it, they'll do it, regardless of consequences.
When you get leaders with backbone and verve, then maybe I'll reconsider. Until then, you're all a bunch of Lieberman's.
The Values of the Right:
(a partial list)
win at any price
our god is better than yours
all power to Der Fuehrer
voter suppression
evangelism
science twisted for political purposes
justice if you can afford it
torture
all the news we think you need to know
know your place
anything for a buck
women are baby-makers and cookie-bakers
Correct. But the spineless Democratic party, and the withering Unions are doing what exactly to oppose this?
As I said earlier, all I ever see from you collectively is a lot of talk and no action. You've sat on your collective hands for the past half century believing that you were making "progress", while ignoring the reality that the right was taking over the government.
I believe nothing you say. Nothing. I believe what the GOP says because if they say it, they'll do it, regardless of consequences.
When you get leaders with backbone and verve, then maybe I'll reconsider. Until then, you're all a bunch of Lieberman's.
This comment proves my point regarding the alteration of my posts by the site admin. Note the lack of a line regarding Marines:
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Walter Cronkite
Actually, I plan on enjoying it - I plan on savoring the site of Republican dismay when every non-evangelical, non-end-of-days Bush voter wakes up and realizes the guy is out of control and doesn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think.
Sounds to me like it's already happening. And yeah, I'm liking it.
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This comment proves my point regarding the alteration of my posts by the site admin. Note the lack of a line regarding Marines:
Four more years. Actually, fifty months. That's a long time, moonbats...enjoy it.
Walter Cronkite
Actually, I plan on enjoying it - I plan on savoring the site of Republican dismay when every non-evangelical, non-end-of-days Bush voter wakes up and realizes the guy is out of control and doesn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think.
Sounds to me like it's already happening. And yeah, I'm liking it.
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Every day, in every way, they just get dumber + dumber...
Every day, in every way, they just get dumber + dumber...
It's a trivial point given the gravity of the story, but did anyone else notice something odd about the photograph? As in, the two vehicles are directly facing each other (as you can see from the driver's side mirror of the yellow car).
If this is a highway, then security isn't the only problem there. They've got people driving both directions in the same freaking lane!
An apt metaphor for what we've done to Iraq, I should say.
It's a trivial point given the gravity of the story, but did anyone else notice something odd about the photograph? As in, the two vehicles are directly facing each other (as you can see from the driver's side mirror of the yellow car).
If this is a highway, then security isn't the only problem there. They've got people driving both directions in the same freaking lane!
An apt metaphor for what we've done to Iraq, I should say.
So let me get this straight. You think the GOP pulled shennanigans in their quest for power, but you stick with them because they "do what they say they'll do, right or wrong"? Is it logical to assume you agree with the "wrong" the GOP does, then? Spinelessness of the Democratic national leadership is a valid argument, but siding with a group simply because it's pigheaded and bulldozer-esque in its lust for power is a bit simple-minded itself.
But hey, whatever works for you...
So let me get this straight. You think the GOP pulled shennanigans in their quest for power, but you stick with them because they "do what they say they'll do, right or wrong"? Is it logical to assume you agree with the "wrong" the GOP does, then? Spinelessness of the Democratic national leadership is a valid argument, but siding with a group simply because it's pigheaded and bulldozer-esque in its lust for power is a bit simple-minded itself.
But hey, whatever works for you...
So you don't think Marines are cowards? I'm sure they appreciate it.
So you don't think Marines are cowards? I'm sure they appreciate it.
shorter pewlingade: we may be fascists, but we're consistent fascists!
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Fielding Mellish
Wrong. Shorter powerade: you Democrats have brought this on yourselves through inaction, searching for justice in all the wrong places, and believing the myths of the media.
Reality is what you make it, and you've made your bed on a reality of lies.
Learn to live with it.
shorter pewlingade: we may be fascists, but we're consistent fascists!
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Fielding Mellish
Wrong. Shorter powerade: you Democrats have brought this on yourselves through inaction, searching for justice in all the wrong places, and believing the myths of the media.
Reality is what you make it, and you've made your bed on a reality of lies.
Learn to live with it.
Reality is what you make it, and you've made your bed on a reality of lies
That has got to be the worst writing I've seen in a while.
Reality is what you make it, and you've made your bed on a reality of lies
That has got to be the worst writing I've seen in a while.
Did I tell you I roll my shit into balls and eat it like chocolate?
Did I tell you I roll my shit into balls and eat it like chocolate?
Spinelessness of the Democratic national leadership is a valid argument, but siding with a group simply because it's pigheaded and bulldozer-esque in its lust for power is a bit simple-minded itself.
Not just spinelessness, but a complete abdication of the application of justice. The Democrats have enabled GOP malfeasance.
I do not believe the myths, and I know that politics is a game of power, and power is gained through any means necessary. That's the history of civilization.
But you're dreaming if you think the Democrats are opposition. And if they're going to be GOP Lite, I might as well be GOP Real.
Spinelessness of the Democratic national leadership is a valid argument, but siding with a group simply because it's pigheaded and bulldozer-esque in its lust for power is a bit simple-minded itself.
Not just spinelessness, but a complete abdication of the application of justice. The Democrats have enabled GOP malfeasance.
I do not believe the myths, and I know that politics is a game of power, and power is gained through any means necessary. That's the history of civilization.
But you're dreaming if you think the Democrats are opposition. And if they're going to be GOP Lite, I might as well be GOP Real.
we're going to have to maintain at least 100,000 troops in Iraq for the next few years.
McCain sez twenty.
At least when he doesn't have Chimpy's arm up his ass.
we're going to have to maintain at least 100,000 troops in Iraq for the next few years.
McCain sez twenty.
At least when he doesn't have Chimpy's arm up his ass.
I might as well be GOP Real.
after all, there aren't any real issues or policies that you have a stake in, as long as you can do your little victory dance in the end zone.
stupid asswipe.
I might as well be GOP Real.
after all, there aren't any real issues or policies that you have a stake in, as long as you can do your little victory dance in the end zone.
stupid asswipe.
Actually, I don't believe anything I say either.
I am a tool for the Republicans. I lick their assholes on command.
Actually, I don't believe anything I say either.
I am a tool for the Republicans. I lick their assholes on command.
Not
Enough
Troops
In
The
Wrong
Places
With
The
Wrong
Equipment
And
The
Wrong
Commanders.
This is a symptom. It may also be the absolute definition of why all modern military theory dictates that the single most important element of victory is logistics and supply.
Not
Enough
Troops
In
The
Wrong
Places
With
The
Wrong
Equipment
And
The
Wrong
Commanders.
This is a symptom. It may also be the absolute definition of why all modern military theory dictates that the single most important element of victory is logistics and supply.
Actually, I plan on enjoying it - I plan on savoring the site of Republican dismay when every non-evangelical, non-end-of-days Bush voter wakes up and realizes the guy is out of control and doesn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think.
Get a grip. You better get used to have someone named Bush as President. It's likely to be decades before reform takes hold. Your man Kerry was the last gasp for Democrats. And now you're sitting on your rear end as Ohio gets certified.
Sweet.
I hope you have some land to farm with, because you are going to need it.
Actually, I plan on enjoying it - I plan on savoring the site of Republican dismay when every non-evangelical, non-end-of-days Bush voter wakes up and realizes the guy is out of control and doesn't give a shit what the majority of Americans think.
Get a grip. You better get used to have someone named Bush as President. It's likely to be decades before reform takes hold. Your man Kerry was the last gasp for Democrats. And now you're sitting on your rear end as Ohio gets certified.
Sweet.
I hope you have some land to farm with, because you are going to need it.
You are pathetic and weak. You're all talk. That's why I support the GOP. They walk the talk, right or wrong, at least they stand up for what they believe in.
Well, I guess that's one less Yankee fan.
You are pathetic and weak. You're all talk. That's why I support the GOP. They walk the talk, right or wrong, at least they stand up for what they believe in.
Well, I guess that's one less Yankee fan.
I play in pig shit everyday. I use it for shampoo.
I play in pig shit everyday. I use it for shampoo.
On to Iran...cough...cough. Did I say Iran? Maybe. Or maybe Syria.
or maybr abu dhabi. after all, there's a dangerous power vacuum there.
On to Iran...cough...cough. Did I say Iran? Maybe. Or maybe Syria.
or maybr abu dhabi. after all, there's a dangerous power vacuum there.
That has got to be the worst writing I've seen in a while.
rorschach
Somebody should keep an archive of these gems. There was one about a "nose full of snot waiting to be smacked" a couple of weeks ago that literally had my sides hurting.
New shorter purtyade: A guy that promises to shoot you in the face and actually does it is much better than a guy that promises to give you six free CDs and can only give you four.
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That has got to be the worst writing I've seen in a while.
rorschach
Somebody should keep an archive of these gems. There was one about a "nose full of snot waiting to be smacked" a couple of weeks ago that literally had my sides hurting.
New shorter purtyade: A guy that promises to shoot you in the face and actually does it is much better than a guy that promises to give you six free CDs and can only give you four.
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The PNAC plan does not include an "exit strategy" for Iraq, because they have no intention of leaving.
Part of the point of the invasion was to establish a permanent military presence in the region.
The PNAC plan does not include an "exit strategy" for Iraq, because they have no intention of leaving.
Part of the point of the invasion was to establish a permanent military presence in the region.
stupid asswipe.
You're the "stupid" one here. You believe the myths of our time. You sit around, bloviate, and think that's change for the better.
I didn't see you out there contesting the theft of the election. But then again, you probably think everyone plays fair.
Fiddle Nero, fiddle.
stupid asswipe.
You're the "stupid" one here. You believe the myths of our time. You sit around, bloviate, and think that's change for the better.
I didn't see you out there contesting the theft of the election. But then again, you probably think everyone plays fair.
Fiddle Nero, fiddle.
I think Cheney is using the war as cover for stealing Iraqi oil. I'd sure hate to see all that oil made unusable for example, radioactive.
I think Cheney is using the war as cover for stealing Iraqi oil. I'd sure hate to see all that oil made unusable for example, radioactive.
powerade,
Oh, don't get me wrong. I basically agree with the concept of Democrats being just shy of Republican Lite and seemingly heading that way. However, I fail to see why I should throw my chips in with the Republicans, who's modern platform is the antithesis of ever progressive belief I hold dear. Frankly, I'd rather stick to my ideals than sell my soul just to get with the "winning team". Rather go down on my feet than on my knees, to paraphrase the great philosopher-poet Lemmy Kilmister. You are, of course, free do whatever feels right.
Frankly, I think both major parties are far too beholden to big monied interests and neither seem to care about much beyond consolidating power and getting votes, the actual people of the country aside. Unfortunately, the route taken by most third parties, Green and Libertarian, seems unproductive to me. In short, they're aiming too high. Both should've worked for solid blocs in local politics, then state politics and then go for the Big Seat, rather than shoot their wad and, in both cases, wreck their credibility with the average voter.
If there's gonna be any change in the way politics works in this country, it's gonna have to come from the bottom up. The New Party has the right idea, I think: start local then work up, and work with people when you can find common ground rather than blindly sticking to idiotic partisanship.
Course, this is America and we want it NOW!!! DAMMIT!!! whatever it is. I wonder if we spend too much time concentrating on the way the game is played rather than the reasons why it's played.
powerade,
Oh, don't get me wrong. I basically agree with the concept of Democrats being just shy of Republican Lite and seemingly heading that way. However, I fail to see why I should throw my chips in with the Republicans, who's modern platform is the antithesis of ever progressive belief I hold dear. Frankly, I'd rather stick to my ideals than sell my soul just to get with the "winning team". Rather go down on my feet than on my knees, to paraphrase the great philosopher-poet Lemmy Kilmister. You are, of course, free do whatever feels right.
Frankly, I think both major parties are far too beholden to big monied interests and neither seem to care about much beyond consolidating power and getting votes, the actual people of the country aside. Unfortunately, the route taken by most third parties, Green and Libertarian, seems unproductive to me. In short, they're aiming too high. Both should've worked for solid blocs in local politics, then state politics and then go for the Big Seat, rather than shoot their wad and, in both cases, wreck their credibility with the average voter.
If there's gonna be any change in the way politics works in this country, it's gonna have to come from the bottom up. The New Party has the right idea, I think: start local then work up, and work with people when you can find common ground rather than blindly sticking to idiotic partisanship.
Course, this is America and we want it NOW!!! DAMMIT!!! whatever it is. I wonder if we spend too much time concentrating on the way the game is played rather than the reasons why it's played.
Back on topic:
Maximum range on the kinds of mortars involved in these attacks would be about 6 kilometers.
With all of our tactical intelligence assets and a good deal of our strategic intelligence assets focused on Iraq, especially the "hot spots" like the road under discussion, why can't we prevent these attacks?
Is it a matter of making sure there's a market for a product?
Just spitballing here. I'm sure our virtuous military-industrial complex wouldn't jeopardize soldiers' lives in the name of profits. Ooops.
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Back on topic:
Maximum range on the kinds of mortars involved in these attacks would be about 6 kilometers.
With all of our tactical intelligence assets and a good deal of our strategic intelligence assets focused on Iraq, especially the "hot spots" like the road under discussion, why can't we prevent these attacks?
Is it a matter of making sure there's a market for a product?
Just spitballing here. I'm sure our virtuous military-industrial complex wouldn't jeopardize soldiers' lives in the name of profits. Ooops.
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The PNAC plan does not include an "exit strategy" for Iraq, because they have no intention of leaving.
Part of the point of the invasion was to establish a permanent military presence in the region.
Gee, do you think so? Wow. I'm so glad you figured this out.
The PNAC plan does not include an "exit strategy" for Iraq, because they have no intention of leaving.
Part of the point of the invasion was to establish a permanent military presence in the region.
Gee, do you think so? Wow. I'm so glad you figured this out.
Green and Libertarian, seems unproductive to me. In short, they're aiming too high. Both should've worked for solid blocs in local politics, then state politics and then go for the Big Seat, rather than shoot their wad and, in both cases, wreck their credibility with the average voter.
If there's gonna be any change in the way politics works in this country, it's gonna have to come from the bottom up. The New Party has the right idea, I think: start local then work up, and work with people when you can find common ground rather than blindly sticking to idiotic partisanship.
I find myself in agreement with this. Where can I find more on the New Party?
Green and Libertarian, seems unproductive to me. In short, they're aiming too high. Both should've worked for solid blocs in local politics, then state politics and then go for the Big Seat, rather than shoot their wad and, in both cases, wreck their credibility with the average voter.
If there's gonna be any change in the way politics works in this country, it's gonna have to come from the bottom up. The New Party has the right idea, I think: start local then work up, and work with people when you can find common ground rather than blindly sticking to idiotic partisanship.
I find myself in agreement with this. Where can I find more on the New Party?
Roddy,
From way up-thread you talked about Washington and our own guerilla war, and I agree with you -- I once wrote a piece trying to ape the new media covering the Tea Party and the Boston Massacre -- but the Administration hasn't admitted that they have such a problem. They just have scattered insurgents (sounds so much better than guerillas or freedom fighters, don'tcha know). Until they do, and they probably never will, they will never be able to deal with them.
Roddy,
From way up-thread you talked about Washington and our own guerilla war, and I agree with you -- I once wrote a piece trying to ape the new media covering the Tea Party and the Boston Massacre -- but the Administration hasn't admitted that they have such a problem. They just have scattered insurgents (sounds so much better than guerillas or freedom fighters, don'tcha know). Until they do, and they probably never will, they will never be able to deal with them.
What is that foul screeching sound polluting the threads?
It sounds like the trolls doubt the veracity of their Boy King's "victory" so they must lash out against rational thought and simple human decency at every opportunity.
Too bad for them, and for poor Nero, that thanks to his friends at the e-voting companies, now he'll never be a legitimate President.
What is that foul screeching sound polluting the threads?
It sounds like the trolls doubt the veracity of their Boy King's "victory" so they must lash out against rational thought and simple human decency at every opportunity.
Too bad for them, and for poor Nero, that thanks to his friends at the e-voting companies, now he'll never be a legitimate President.
That has got to be the worst writing I've seen in a while.
Wh do trolls sound like parodies of B-movie villains?
That has got to be the worst writing I've seen in a while.
Wh do trolls sound like parodies of B-movie villains?
that thanks to his friends at the e-voting companies, now he'll never be a legitimate President.
But why isn't anyone doing anything about it? Where is the opposition outrage and demand for justice?
that thanks to his friends at the e-voting companies, now he'll never be a legitimate President.
But why isn't anyone doing anything about it? Where is the opposition outrage and demand for justice?
Those fucking brown people.
It's starting to look like we may just have to nuke them into democracy.
Those fucking brown people.
It's starting to look like we may just have to nuke them into democracy.
I think powerade is correct, Dems are weak weak. Principle dont mean shit w/oo power. Repubs take every atvantage, but the dems just sit there. Remember when Richardson talked about pulling a Delay? Why didnt he? Every dem governor should have order redistricting. Then Maybe Delay might have backed down. But no, they just complained. Complaining is for the weak. Like in the debates-it was obvious to everybody that Bush was wiered up for the first one. But instead of complaining and demanding loudly that Bush tell everybody what was on his back- the dmes wimped out, hoping fot the media to take over.
Same with that senile dude from KY. He did not even show up for the debate, and cheated-reading from a script, and Mongiorno let him get away with it, instead of saying,'get your ass over to Kentucky and debate like a real man'. The reds would have loved that shit. Dems need to play hardball intead of pussyball. That is why I liked both Clark and Dean, when anybody tried to get away with anything, he called them on their bullshit.
I think powerade is correct, Dems are weak weak. Principle dont mean shit w/oo power. Repubs take every atvantage, but the dems just sit there. Remember when Richardson talked about pulling a Delay? Why didnt he? Every dem governor should have order redistricting. Then Maybe Delay might have backed down. But no, they just complained. Complaining is for the weak. Like in the debates-it was obvious to everybody that Bush was wiered up for the first one. But instead of complaining and demanding loudly that Bush tell everybody what was on his back- the dmes wimped out, hoping fot the media to take over.
Same with that senile dude from KY. He did not even show up for the debate, and cheated-reading from a script, and Mongiorno let him get away with it, instead of saying,'get your ass over to Kentucky and debate like a real man'. The reds would have loved that shit. Dems need to play hardball intead of pussyball. That is why I liked both Clark and Dean, when anybody tried to get away with anything, he called them on their bullshit.
Wh do trolls sound like parodies of B-movie villains?
Perhaps he's been breathing too deeply--and studies have shown, God is poisonous.
Wh do trolls sound like parodies of B-movie villains?
Perhaps he's been breathing too deeply--and studies have shown, God is poisonous.
There never were enough troops in Iraq even before the revolt began. The US has never set its strategic goals; probably, because it costs to much in dollars and manpower. Sy Hersh said no one can tell Bush that the war cannot be won. He is a true believer in the war. A classic example of magical thinking.
Even the most obnoxious troll has a point when denigrating the Democrats. To date, at best, the opposition has been enablers of the radical GOP take over; “Working together” as Tom Daschle like to say or, at worst, turn coats like Zell Miller.
The voices in the blog wilderness will be remembered when the inevitable catastrophe hits: the dollar crashing, bursting of the housing bubble, the invasion of Iran, the shelling of Seoul or the inevitable pull out of Iraq. “We told you so!”
There never were enough troops in Iraq even before the revolt began. The US has never set its strategic goals; probably, because it costs to much in dollars and manpower. Sy Hersh said no one can tell Bush that the war cannot be won. He is a true believer in the war. A classic example of magical thinking.
Even the most obnoxious troll has a point when denigrating the Democrats. To date, at best, the opposition has been enablers of the radical GOP take over; “Working together” as Tom Daschle like to say or, at worst, turn coats like Zell Miller.
The voices in the blog wilderness will be remembered when the inevitable catastrophe hits: the dollar crashing, bursting of the housing bubble, the invasion of Iran, the shelling of Seoul or the inevitable pull out of Iraq. “We told you so!”
OT:
ACTION ALERT! Operation: Red Illumination
Read the plan, then
Join the Resistance
OT:
ACTION ALERT! Operation: Red Illumination
Read the plan, then
Join the Resistance
Wh do trolls sound like parodies of B-movie villains?
Thersites
They tend to remind me of Dr. Orpheus, a character on The Venture Brothers who makes the most mundane statements in an orotund manner while desperately seeking a "nemesis" to validate his existence. Fun show for adults who remember the old Johnny Quest cartoons.
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Wh do trolls sound like parodies of B-movie villains?
Thersites
They tend to remind me of Dr. Orpheus, a character on The Venture Brothers who makes the most mundane statements in an orotund manner while desperately seeking a "nemesis" to validate his existence. Fun show for adults who remember the old Johnny Quest cartoons.
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That is why I liked both Clark and Dean, when anybody tried to get away with anything, he called them on their bullshit.
These two men have great potential, and should be leading the party. If they did I might be interested. But instead I see it being more Lieberman-esque.
Opposition is futile when it seeks to compromise with the extremes in power.
That is why I liked both Clark and Dean, when anybody tried to get away with anything, he called them on their bullshit.
These two men have great potential, and should be leading the party. If they did I might be interested. But instead I see it being more Lieberman-esque.
Opposition is futile when it seeks to compromise with the extremes in power.
www.newparty.org
For some reason, the site's pretty damn sparse at the current moment. There's some recent victories - mostly, as I said, in local politics, but again, every oak from an acorn - and they're pretty active in the battle for a Living Wage. They've also taken a lot of heat - along with the Greens, Labor and Populist parties - for "wanting to destroy business", but this just isn't true. They're all about business that play fair by the rules, the consumers and the employees, but they're also all about going after companies (or local governments) that don't. Jim Hightower's awfully fond of 'em, as is Molly Ivins.
Obviously, they're a progressive liberal-minded organization primarily concerned with labor and public health issues, but as with the Democrats or Greens, they're willing to work with Republicans and Libertarians for common goals. It's all about remembering who this country's for: we, the people.
www.newparty.org
For some reason, the site's pretty damn sparse at the current moment. There's some recent victories - mostly, as I said, in local politics, but again, every oak from an acorn - and they're pretty active in the battle for a Living Wage. They've also taken a lot of heat - along with the Greens, Labor and Populist parties - for "wanting to destroy business", but this just isn't true. They're all about business that play fair by the rules, the consumers and the employees, but they're also all about going after companies (or local governments) that don't. Jim Hightower's awfully fond of 'em, as is Molly Ivins.
Obviously, they're a progressive liberal-minded organization primarily concerned with labor and public health issues, but as with the Democrats or Greens, they're willing to work with Republicans and Libertarians for common goals. It's all about remembering who this country's for: we, the people.
So does this mean plastic turkee in the airport again this year?
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
fourlegsgood
a friend of mine's BF voted for aWol, on the basis of "sure he's a fuckup, but at least I know he's a fuckup. don't want to take a chance on JFK"
Democrats are as cowardly as the Marines in Fallujah. That's why they lose.
Walter Cronkite
takes a lot of courage to spew that from your mom's basement. want me to call the recruiters office for you? I'll be sure to tell them not to worry during the physical, that orange residue on your tiny member is from the cheetos from when you sneak a pair of your mom's panties on one of her "heavy flow" days
So does this mean plastic turkee in the airport again this year?
I was watching Cspan a little bit ago, it was pathetic listening to republican callers who said they were shocked! shocked, I tell you to see what the republican congress was getting up to so soon after the election.
What the fuck did they think was going to happen?
fourlegsgood
a friend of mine's BF voted for aWol, on the basis of "sure he's a fuckup, but at least I know he's a fuckup. don't want to take a chance on JFK"
Democrats are as cowardly as the Marines in Fallujah. That's why they lose.
Walter Cronkite
takes a lot of courage to spew that from your mom's basement. want me to call the recruiters office for you? I'll be sure to tell them not to worry during the physical, that orange residue on your tiny member is from the cheetos from when you sneak a pair of your mom's panties on one of her "heavy flow" days
Terribly sorry...
ACTION ALERT! Operation Red Illumination
Got the link wrong above... this should be correct
Terribly sorry...
ACTION ALERT! Operation Red Illumination
Got the link wrong above... this should be correct
I have come to the conclusion that dems love being in the minority. People keep on asking what can hte dems do.
1) redistrict all the moderate repubs out of power
2) In the House and Senate, dems should emmediately start running commercials against all moderates
3) Reid and Byrd should get together and determin how to obstruct everyting. That is how the repubs basically got into power
4) Remind the public everyday until '06 that repubs control all three branches of govt
5) Fillebuster any and all of Bush's nominees. During the hearing remind the public of what Goss said, but then what he did when he went to the CIA. They will probably get through anyway, but make it as painfull as possible.
6) Demonize everyplan that the repubs propose as radical. Make the moderates sweat everythime they vote.
7)split the base by making speeches on the floor about how they use christians to get elected but never deliver
create controvercy whenever possible-this way the media will pay attention to you.
9) Never give teh bush credit for anything. If Osama is caught, say- the soldiers did an excellent job, despite Bush's incompetence.
I have come to the conclusion that dems love being in the minority. People keep on asking what can hte dems do.
1) redistrict all the moderate repubs out of power
2) In the House and Senate, dems should emmediately start running commercials against all moderates
3) Reid and Byrd should get together and determin how to obstruct everyting. That is how the repubs basically got into power
4) Remind the public everyday until '06 that repubs control all three branches of govt
5) Fillebuster any and all of Bush's nominees. During the hearing remind the public of what Goss said, but then what he did when he went to the CIA. They will probably get through anyway, but make it as painfull as possible.
6) Demonize everyplan that the repubs propose as radical. Make the moderates sweat everythime they vote.
7)split the base by making speeches on the floor about how they use christians to get elected but never deliver
create controvercy whenever possible-this way the media will pay attention to you.
9) Never give teh bush credit for anything. If Osama is caught, say- the soldiers did an excellent job, despite Bush's incompetence.
C-Span2 - Boxer bringing to the Senate the objection to the 'Weldon Clause' - she's about to hold up the Senate. As she should.
Dick Durbin has just revealed that there's another cute trick in the Omnibus Bill, allowing at will, any Congressional geek to pull IRS records, more or less at will, plus lots more.
C-Span2 - Boxer bringing to the Senate the objection to the 'Weldon Clause' - she's about to hold up the Senate. As she should.
Dick Durbin has just revealed that there's another cute trick in the Omnibus Bill, allowing at will, any Congressional geek to pull IRS records, more or less at will, plus lots more.
This is hte way the repubs came ot power-the way that an oppostion acts. What is this "getting along" bullshit? No compromise on anything.
This is hte way the repubs came ot power-the way that an oppostion acts. What is this "getting along" bullshit? No compromise on anything.
What I can't understand is how Bush 1 can go on supporting Junior. I mean, at least Bush 1 served in world war 2. He was head of the CIA for God's sake. Has he seen what chimpy is doing to that institution?
GHWB was DCI for less than a year. That was the last of what he viewed as four shit-shoveling jobs he held in rapid succession (UN ambassador/RNC chairman/China envoy/DCI), sucking at the asses of Nixon and Ford in a desperate attempt to set himself up to run for President.
Where he got the idea that he was qualified to be President in 1980 remains a mystery. He had served two terms in the House, lost two campaigns for the Senate, and otherwise had never held elective office, giving him just about the weakest resume of any President of the last fifty years or so.
In fact, GHWB's political resume when he rode Reagan's coattails into the Vice-Presidency in 1980 was weaker than Chimpy's was in 2000.
Kitty Kelley has the goods on GHWB. He's a human incarnation of J.R. "BoB" Dobbs; clueless and benign but well-connected. Sort of a better-looking version of Forrest Gump.
That is, unless you buy the theory that he was essentially working undercover for the CIA his entire career. Although I suppose he could have been the CIA's token Gump.
I comforted myself when Chimpy was first elected with the assurance that surely the old man wouldn't let him fuck up too badly.
Boy, was I wrong.
What I can't understand is how Bush 1 can go on supporting Junior. I mean, at least Bush 1 served in world war 2. He was head of the CIA for God's sake. Has he seen what chimpy is doing to that institution?
GHWB was DCI for less than a year. That was the last of what he viewed as four shit-shoveling jobs he held in rapid succession (UN ambassador/RNC chairman/China envoy/DCI), sucking at the asses of Nixon and Ford in a desperate attempt to set himself up to run for President.
Where he got the idea that he was qualified to be President in 1980 remains a mystery. He had served two terms in the House, lost two campaigns for the Senate, and otherwise had never held elective office, giving him just about the weakest resume of any President of the last fifty years or so.
In fact, GHWB's political resume when he rode Reagan's coattails into the Vice-Presidency in 1980 was weaker than Chimpy's was in 2000.
Kitty Kelley has the goods on GHWB. He's a human incarnation of J.R. "BoB" Dobbs; clueless and benign but well-connected. Sort of a better-looking version of Forrest Gump.
That is, unless you buy the theory that he was essentially working undercover for the CIA his entire career. Although I suppose he could have been the CIA's token Gump.
I comforted myself when Chimpy was first elected with the assurance that surely the old man wouldn't let him fuck up too badly.
Boy, was I wrong.
hey've also taken a lot of heat - along with the Greens, Labor and Populist parties - for "wanting to destroy business", but this just isn't true.
What is needed is viral adoption of an opposition philosophy that can get around the large media character killing machine.
The Democrats could do this, but only if they purge the GOP Lite leadership which they are not likely to do.
hey've also taken a lot of heat - along with the Greens, Labor and Populist parties - for "wanting to destroy business", but this just isn't true.
What is needed is viral adoption of an opposition philosophy that can get around the large media character killing machine.
The Democrats could do this, but only if they purge the GOP Lite leadership which they are not likely to do.
nbelievable. On C-span 2 right now, Sen. Dick Durbin and the other Dems are having fits over a little quirk added to the Treasury Appropriations bill, sec 222. It would give members of congress and their staffs total access to individual income tax returns, which could then be disseminated in any way, with no restrictions and no penalties.
Wanna know about someone running against you next election? How about the people who contributed to your opponent? No problem.
This was a last minute addition the Dems didn't even know about until a few hours ago.
These Republican bastards need a good bitch slapping. NOW.
Ok, GWPDA beat me too this, but I'm so angry about this I'm adding it too.
Tow
nbelievable. On C-span 2 right now, Sen. Dick Durbin and the other Dems are having fits over a little quirk added to the Treasury Appropriations bill, sec 222. It would give members of congress and their staffs total access to individual income tax returns, which could then be disseminated in any way, with no restrictions and no penalties.
Wanna know about someone running against you next election? How about the people who contributed to your opponent? No problem.
This was a last minute addition the Dems didn't even know about until a few hours ago.
These Republican bastards need a good bitch slapping. NOW.
Ok, GWPDA beat me too this, but I'm so angry about this I'm adding it too.
Tow
Not to worry! There are servicemen replacements coming to Iraq!
The AP this morning has reported that Walter Reed Army Medical Center is rehabilitating amputees so that they can return to the battlefield!
Lt. Col. Jeff Gambel, clinical chief of the amputee clinic said optimistically that "We're finding in each subsequent conflicts, there is an increased percentage of upper-extremity amputees."
He may mean that, because they only lost an arm or two, they can be rehabilitated so that they can drive tanks.
(I posted this on another site, and someone thought it read like an Onion bit - but you can look it up in Google)
Incidently, the story also adds that amputations account for 2.4 percent of all wounded in action in Iraq, TWICE the rate of World Wars I and II.
Insanity!
Not to worry! There are servicemen replacements coming to Iraq!
The AP this morning has reported that Walter Reed Army Medical Center is rehabilitating amputees so that they can return to the battlefield!
Lt. Col. Jeff Gambel, clinical chief of the amputee clinic said optimistically that "We're finding in each subsequent conflicts, there is an increased percentage of upper-extremity amputees."
He may mean that, because they only lost an arm or two, they can be rehabilitated so that they can drive tanks.
(I posted this on another site, and someone thought it read like an Onion bit - but you can look it up in Google)
Incidently, the story also adds that amputations account for 2.4 percent of all wounded in action in Iraq, TWICE the rate of World Wars I and II.
Insanity!
I have come to the conclusion that dems love being in the minority. People keep on asking what can hte dems do.
1) redistrict all the moderate repubs out of power
2) In the House and Senate, dems should emmediately start running commercials against all moderates
3) Reid and Byrd should get together and determin how to obstruct everyting. That is how the repubs basically got into power
4) Remind the public everyday until '06 that repubs control all three branches of govt
5) Fillebuster any and all of Bush's nominees. During the hearing remind the public of what Goss said, but then what he did when he went to the CIA. They will probably get through anyway, but make it as painfull as possible.
6) Demonize everyplan that the repubs propose as radical. Make the moderates sweat everythime they vote.
7)split the base by making speeches on the floor about how they use christians to get elected but never deliver
create controvercy whenever possible-this way the media will pay attention to you.
9) Never give teh bush credit for anything. If Osama is caught, say- the soldiers did an excellent job, despite Bush's incompetence.
I really like what you have listed. I'd be shocked if this happens though. I could see Dean and Clark doing it, but I think the bulk of the Dem leadership is soft and squishy.
I have come to the conclusion that dems love being in the minority. People keep on asking what can hte dems do.
1) redistrict all the moderate repubs out of power
2) In the House and Senate, dems should emmediately start running commercials against all moderates
3) Reid and Byrd should get together and determin how to obstruct everyting. That is how the repubs basically got into power
4) Remind the public everyday until '06 that repubs control all three branches of govt
5) Fillebuster any and all of Bush's nominees. During the hearing remind the public of what Goss said, but then what he did when he went to the CIA. They will probably get through anyway, but make it as painfull as possible.
6) Demonize everyplan that the repubs propose as radical. Make the moderates sweat everythime they vote.
7)split the base by making speeches on the floor about how they use christians to get elected but never deliver
create controvercy whenever possible-this way the media will pay attention to you.
9) Never give teh bush credit for anything. If Osama is caught, say- the soldiers did an excellent job, despite Bush's incompetence.
I really like what you have listed. I'd be shocked if this happens though. I could see Dean and Clark doing it, but I think the bulk of the Dem leadership is soft and squishy.
Is this an opportunity for the next Survivor series? Or the Amazing Race? (or whatever the hell that CBS show is called)
Is this an opportunity for the next Survivor series? Or the Amazing Race? (or whatever the hell that CBS show is called)
Gee, you don't suppose it's because the MERCS are making MONEY doing the transport?
Couldn't be so the rightwing MERCS can make some more Fuck-Up-America bucks, could it?
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Gee, you don't suppose it's because the MERCS are making MONEY doing the transport?
Couldn't be so the rightwing MERCS can make some more Fuck-Up-America bucks, could it?
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Where he got the idea that he was qualified to be President in 1980 remains a mystery. He had served two terms in the House, lost two campaigns for the Senate, and otherwise had never held elective office, giving him just about the weakest resume of any President of the last fifty years or so.
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That is, unless you buy the theory that he was essentially working undercover for the CIA his entire career.
Maybe you answered your own question.
"the pnac plan does not include an exit strategy."
there's never an exit strategy, in fact "exit strategy" is not even a real military concept. it is just a term that was made up during the post vietnam excuse making period.
Where he got the idea that he was qualified to be President in 1980 remains a mystery. He had served two terms in the House, lost two campaigns for the Senate, and otherwise had never held elective office, giving him just about the weakest resume of any President of the last fifty years or so.
-snip-
That is, unless you buy the theory that he was essentially working undercover for the CIA his entire career.
Maybe you answered your own question.
"the pnac plan does not include an exit strategy."
there's never an exit strategy, in fact "exit strategy" is not even a real military concept. it is just a term that was made up during the post vietnam excuse making period.
theodoric,
What is not to understand about BUSH 1?
It is all about power. Dems dont seem to get it. Why do you think repubs, after 20 years about bitching over illegal immigration have dropped it as an issue. they saw the demographics, and adjusted their strategy.
theodoric,
What is not to understand about BUSH 1?
It is all about power. Dems dont seem to get it. Why do you think repubs, after 20 years about bitching over illegal immigration have dropped it as an issue. they saw the demographics, and adjusted their strategy.
TURN ON CSPAN 2.
NOW.
Democrat Senators with STONES on the floor! fighting this 3000 page midnight joke of an omnibus appropriations bill!
IRS gives away your tax info?!
HMO's can refuse abortion to ANY woman for ANY reason?!
there is some seriously F'd up CRAP in this monster!
-Librarian on Fire
TURN ON CSPAN 2.
NOW.
Democrat Senators with STONES on the floor! fighting this 3000 page midnight joke of an omnibus appropriations bill!
IRS gives away your tax info?!
HMO's can refuse abortion to ANY woman for ANY reason?!
there is some seriously F'd up CRAP in this monster!
-Librarian on Fire
"Having seen the light, I can only hope that they join us in '06 to make some needed adjustments."
"Ba-dum-bump. That's KEN, ladies and gentlemen, he'll be in the Green Room until March 31st. Let's give him a big hand! Funny guy, he's a funny guy..."
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"Having seen the light, I can only hope that they join us in '06 to make some needed adjustments."
"Ba-dum-bump. That's KEN, ladies and gentlemen, he'll be in the Green Room until March 31st. Let's give him a big hand! Funny guy, he's a funny guy..."
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Anyone know why I can't comment on haloscan using a proxy? Do I have to open a port or something?
Anyone know why I can't comment on haloscan using a proxy? Do I have to open a port or something?
I don't get it- I'm a Libertarian, and it seem as if I am more radical that these wimpy dems. I know many Libertarians liked Dean and Clark just becaused they seemed on fire, and unwilling to back down. It reminded me of Newt when the repubs were taking over power in DC
I don't get it- I'm a Libertarian, and it seem as if I am more radical that these wimpy dems. I know many Libertarians liked Dean and Clark just becaused they seemed on fire, and unwilling to back down. It reminded me of Newt when the repubs were taking over power in DC
They're tanking. Senator said they will allow the anti-choice amendment to go through as long as the repukes "promise" to hold a full hearing in a few months.
That'll happen. not
Shit.
Fuck.
They're tanking. Senator said they will allow the anti-choice amendment to go through as long as the repukes "promise" to hold a full hearing in a few months.
That'll happen. not
Shit.
Fuck.
20 years about bitching over illegal immigration have dropped it as an issue
um, maybe so they could send the Texas National Guard to Iraq?
20 years about bitching over illegal immigration have dropped it as an issue
um, maybe so they could send the Texas National Guard to Iraq?
Why does all this remind me of Bernard Fall's Street Without Joy?
Why does all this remind me of Bernard Fall's Street Without Joy?
and props to Senators Grassley (R-Iowa) and McCain who are also there bitching.
Atrios, where are you?
-L.
and props to Senators Grassley (R-Iowa) and McCain who are also there bitching.
Atrios, where are you?
-L.
"Democrats didn't lose the election because they were tagged as obstructionists... They lost because they got out-muscled in Ohio, Florida, South Dakota, and all of those southern states where they lost Senate seats."
Thanks for calling and sharing, Live Free, but this also is utter BULLSHIT.
The Dems won the election by landslide, but someone forgot to tell Mr. Diebold, and all the vote fraud election officials.
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"Democrats didn't lose the election because they were tagged as obstructionists... They lost because they got out-muscled in Ohio, Florida, South Dakota, and all of those southern states where they lost Senate seats."
Thanks for calling and sharing, Live Free, but this also is utter BULLSHIT.
The Dems won the election by landslide, but someone forgot to tell Mr. Diebold, and all the vote fraud election officials.
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The dems just keep on doing the same thing over and over again. And what was the deal with Kerry conceding w/o allt he votes counted. If the situation was reversed, do you think the Bush would concede? Or charge that there was some vote manipulation scandal?
The dems just keep on doing the same thing over and over again. And what was the deal with Kerry conceding w/o allt he votes counted. If the situation was reversed, do you think the Bush would concede? Or charge that there was some vote manipulation scandal?
"The insurgents are just big cheaters.
NTodd "
I had to repeat that one.
And as for Bush and his chat on free-trade, I thought it was hilarious how all the radio yackers kept talking about his TEN HOUR FLIGHT to Chile. Like this was some ordeal of mythic proportions, and we owe him so much that he was willing to attend that summit for us.
I hate the media as much as Bush, frankly.
"The insurgents are just big cheaters.
NTodd "
I had to repeat that one.
And as for Bush and his chat on free-trade, I thought it was hilarious how all the radio yackers kept talking about his TEN HOUR FLIGHT to Chile. Like this was some ordeal of mythic proportions, and we owe him so much that he was willing to attend that summit for us.
I hate the media as much as Bush, frankly.
also Stevens (R) of Alaska says they will take it out?
McCain is flippin out...
-L.
also Stevens (R) of Alaska says they will take it out?
McCain is flippin out...
-L.
It reminded me of Newt when the repubs were taking over power in DC
oh, now THERE's a role model.
It reminded me of Newt when the repubs were taking over power in DC
oh, now THERE's a role model.
What is needed is viral adoption of an opposition philosophy that can get around the large media character killing machine.
The Democrats could do this, but only if they purge the GOP Lite leadership which they are not likely to do.
powerade
If this is a view that you truly hold then you could have started out by expressing yourself this way. For some reason, you didn't have the integrity to do so.
Instead, you chose to muck up multiple threads with this kind of shit:
Typical Democrat. Uncaring. Uninformed. Bigoted.
That is why you are the minority, you have no values.
11.20.04 - 12:56 pm |
BTW, I'm glad Ken Starr made it legal to arrest Democrats. It'll be fun watching the fat cats be led off to Leavenworth.
11.20.04 - 1:00 pm |
The Democratic Party.
A group of failed losers who will all be in prison by 2008.
11.20.04 - 1:43 pm |
Did you really think we'd all be so alarmed at the prospect of losing your powerful intellectual talents that we'd rush to implement your reforms? Oh, that's right - you didn't have any that amounted to anything more than insubstantial bitching.
If you've got some constructive suggestions or useful information, post it.
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What is needed is viral adoption of an opposition philosophy that can get around the large media character killing machine.
The Democrats could do this, but only if they purge the GOP Lite leadership which they are not likely to do.
powerade
If this is a view that you truly hold then you could have started out by expressing yourself this way. For some reason, you didn't have the integrity to do so.
Instead, you chose to muck up multiple threads with this kind of shit:
Typical Democrat. Uncaring. Uninformed. Bigoted.
That is why you are the minority, you have no values.
11.20.04 - 12:56 pm |
BTW, I'm glad Ken Starr made it legal to arrest Democrats. It'll be fun watching the fat cats be led off to Leavenworth.
11.20.04 - 1:00 pm |
The Democratic Party.
A group of failed losers who will all be in prison by 2008.
11.20.04 - 1:43 pm |
Did you really think we'd all be so alarmed at the prospect of losing your powerful intellectual talents that we'd rush to implement your reforms? Oh, that's right - you didn't have any that amounted to anything more than insubstantial bitching.
If you've got some constructive suggestions or useful information, post it.
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Just want to reiteriate the above re: CSPAN2. Check it out!!!
Even McCain is pissed!!!
Repubs are apologizing, backtracking, stammering!!!
Repubs in trouble! Fun to watch!!!
Just want to reiteriate the above re: CSPAN2. Check it out!!!
Even McCain is pissed!!!
Repubs are apologizing, backtracking, stammering!!!
Repubs in trouble! Fun to watch!!!
stinky feet - some days for me it's a toss-up who I despise the most - Bush or the media. I really think it's the media more days than not. They fucking made Bush possible. And the Bush Atrocities.
stinky feet - some days for me it's a toss-up who I despise the most - Bush or the media. I really think it's the media more days than not. They fucking made Bush possible. And the Bush Atrocities.
Grassley just said that 2 staffers added this section (WTF is that?) and it will be removed. It better be.
Grassley just said that 2 staffers added this section (WTF is that?) and it will be removed. It better be.
"I don't get it- I'm a Libertarian, and it seem as if I am more radical that these wimpy dems."
That's because your party doesn't have anything to lose, no status, no representatives, nothing.
Not that the Dems have anything to lose, but appeasement is a powerful GOVERNMENTAL FORCE in a democracy, as the other-side-of-the-political-spectrum Conservative party proved in the UK in the 1930s.
Dictators can play democracies like concertinas, because they don't play fair, they don't play, and they don't give a flying fuck.
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"I don't get it- I'm a Libertarian, and it seem as if I am more radical that these wimpy dems."
That's because your party doesn't have anything to lose, no status, no representatives, nothing.
Not that the Dems have anything to lose, but appeasement is a powerful GOVERNMENTAL FORCE in a democracy, as the other-side-of-the-political-spectrum Conservative party proved in the UK in the 1930s.
Dictators can play democracies like concertinas, because they don't play fair, they don't play, and they don't give a flying fuck.
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Live Free or Die, your posts are really amusing and so chameleonesque. (Made up word, but you get the picture)
Live Free or Die, your posts are really amusing and so chameleonesque. (Made up word, but you get the picture)
Boxer & Feinstein are calling to hold up the vote...and call the House back into session.
you should see the size of this thing--it's a stack of paper a foot tall, 3000 some pages.
-L.
Boxer & Feinstein are calling to hold up the vote...and call the House back into session.
you should see the size of this thing--it's a stack of paper a foot tall, 3000 some pages.
-L.
Oooo, Feinstein is calling for an investigation into who inserted the total invasion of privacy item. R's still claiming it was a staffer who did it "on their own." She ain't buying it. Go Diane!
Tow
Oooo, Feinstein is calling for an investigation into who inserted the total invasion of privacy item. R's still claiming it was a staffer who did it "on their own." She ain't buying it. Go Diane!
Tow
"It'll be fun watching the fat cats be led off to Leavenworth."
Listen, I've LIVED in Leavenworth and it's scary. The more the merrier!
"It'll be fun watching the fat cats be led off to Leavenworth."
Listen, I've LIVED in Leavenworth and it's scary. The more the merrier!
Maybe it has to do with the children running thge white house!
Jillaurie
Maybe it has to do with the children running thge white house!
Jillaurie
If you've got some constructive suggestions or useful information, post it.
he's arguing with his own straw men.
as I pointed out upthread, he doesn't really give a shit what position he takes as long as he thinks he can score points with it.
he's run into his own endzone, spiked the ball, and is doing his own little ickey shuffle.
I was getting ready to tear him yet another new asshole, but realized that he's not worth the risk of RSI.
If you've got some constructive suggestions or useful information, post it.
he's arguing with his own straw men.
as I pointed out upthread, he doesn't really give a shit what position he takes as long as he thinks he can score points with it.
he's run into his own endzone, spiked the ball, and is doing his own little ickey shuffle.
I was getting ready to tear him yet another new asshole, but realized that he's not worth the risk of RSI.
Thanks for the heads-up about CSPAN.
Thanks for the heads-up about CSPAN.
New amendment to US constitution outlawing the theory of evolution will solve the problems along the killer Baghdad airport trip
New amendment to US constitution outlawing the theory of evolution will solve the problems along the killer Baghdad airport trip
From fourlegs good:
"I guess no one in neo-con land has ever read "The 7 Pillars of Wisdom" or seen Lawrence of Arabia."
You can bet that Dr Rice never did.
She was playing the effing piano.
From fourlegs good:
"I guess no one in neo-con land has ever read "The 7 Pillars of Wisdom" or seen Lawrence of Arabia."
You can bet that Dr Rice never did.
She was playing the effing piano.
Paul,
what do the dems have to lose?
All daschle/gephard, Clelland, Landrieu did was play nice to bush signing off on his war, signing on to bankrupting the economy. And how did the repubs reward them, Frist campaign against Big D, Bush campisnged against Clelland, and the dems lost hte Senate. What is the point of getting along with these people?
Paul,
what do the dems have to lose?
All daschle/gephard, Clelland, Landrieu did was play nice to bush signing off on his war, signing on to bankrupting the economy. And how did the repubs reward them, Frist campaign against Big D, Bush campisnged against Clelland, and the dems lost hte Senate. What is the point of getting along with these people?
pie,
are you single? Just curious.
pie,
are you single? Just curious.
Even McCain is pissed!!!
Who cares. Liberals are like battered women with this jerk. They keep thinking he's going to change. He's not. He puts on a big moderate show for the media and in the end comes back and carries Bush's water.
Even McCain is pissed!!!
Who cares. Liberals are like battered women with this jerk. They keep thinking he's going to change. He's not. He puts on a big moderate show for the media and in the end comes back and carries Bush's water.
Holy shit. That little addition to give everyone in congress access to everyone's tax returns passed in the house. They didn't catch it. Thank God the senate did!
Tow
Holy shit. That little addition to give everyone in congress access to everyone's tax returns passed in the house. They didn't catch it. Thank God the senate did!
Tow
Live Free or Die, what's your problem?
Live Free or Die, what's your problem?
They didn't catch it.
Hahahahahaha. Yeah, right.
They didn't catch it.
Hahahahahaha. Yeah, right.
SWR,
Right on! Fuck McCain. I heard he tried to call Kerry after the elections, but that Kerry did not return the call.
SWR,
Right on! Fuck McCain. I heard he tried to call Kerry after the elections, but that Kerry did not return the call.
"what do the dems have to lose?"
You need to study appeasement. They have to lose the Dictator doing something nasty.
As for 'what is the point,' that is another misunderstanding of the nature of appeasement. There is no way to win over dictators, and democracies have a real hard time dealing with them.
Hitler was convinced the rot in France and Britain was fatal. But in Britain the lone voice of Churchill eventually resurrected the country to fight fascism.
The alternative? I suppose you can just whine on about appeasement without recognizing that it is a characteristic of our system of government, that dictatorships have not been driven from the earth, and that wars for profit -- are there any other kind?
The 'signing off' bullshit is really ripe. There has never been an Executive war in this country blocked by the Congress, and there may never be. The system itself requires Congress to play along.
That's OUR system, for all its foibles and beauties.
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"what do the dems have to lose?"
You need to study appeasement. They have to lose the Dictator doing something nasty.
As for 'what is the point,' that is another misunderstanding of the nature of appeasement. There is no way to win over dictators, and democracies have a real hard time dealing with them.
Hitler was convinced the rot in France and Britain was fatal. But in Britain the lone voice of Churchill eventually resurrected the country to fight fascism.
The alternative? I suppose you can just whine on about appeasement without recognizing that it is a characteristic of our system of government, that dictatorships have not been driven from the earth, and that wars for profit -- are there any other kind?
The 'signing off' bullshit is really ripe. There has never been an Executive war in this country blocked by the Congress, and there may never be. The system itself requires Congress to play along.
That's OUR system, for all its foibles and beauties.
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I heard he tried to call Kerry after the elections, but that Kerry did not return the call.
Source, please.
I heard he tried to call Kerry after the elections, but that Kerry did not return the call.
Source, please.
Source, please.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:07 pm | #
You don't get the trolls' talking point bullitan?
Source, please.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:07 pm | #
You don't get the trolls' talking point bullitan?
"I was getting ready to tear him yet another new asshole, but realized that he's not worth the risk of RSI.--theodoric"
Gee, wasn't that you saying yesterday that you don't give a fk if Ohio has legal elections? It's the 'people of that state's problem'?
When are you going to tear yourself a new one?
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"I was getting ready to tear him yet another new asshole, but realized that he's not worth the risk of RSI.--theodoric"
Gee, wasn't that you saying yesterday that you don't give a fk if Ohio has legal elections? It's the 'people of that state's problem'?
When are you going to tear yourself a new one?
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SWR:
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No doubt. But, if you're watching CSPAN2, there's actually quite a bit of backtracking and hemming and hawing by the Repubs.
My point wasn't "McCain's coming over to our side." It was that there are Dems AND Repubs speaking out against the dirty tricks in this bill under debate right now.
SWR:
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No doubt. But, if you're watching CSPAN2, there's actually quite a bit of backtracking and hemming and hawing by the Repubs.
My point wasn't "McCain's coming over to our side." It was that there are Dems AND Repubs speaking out against the dirty tricks in this bill under debate right now.
oops...tried to include SWR's quotes there...
oops...tried to include SWR's quotes there...
Ok, the Dems in the house didn't catch it. The R's sure as hell knew it was in there.
Ok, the Dems in the house didn't catch it. The R's sure as hell knew it was in there.
You don't get the trolls' talking point bullitan?
Well, that doesn't have much credence now, does it?
You don't get the trolls' talking point bullitan?
Well, that doesn't have much credence now, does it?
Dictators can play democracies like concertinas, because they don't play fair, they don't play, and they don't give a flying fuck.
Our dilemma in a nutshell.
Dictators can play democracies like concertinas, because they don't play fair, they don't play, and they don't give a flying fuck.
Our dilemma in a nutshell.
Well, that doesn't have much credence now, does it?
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:13 pm | # ,/i>
Depends on the individual writers. Sometimes they have a good guest editor.
Well, that doesn't have much credence now, does it?
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:13 pm | # ,/i>
Depends on the individual writers. Sometimes they have a good guest editor.
Pie,
Kerry snubbing McCain
Call it a bad case of bad attitude, but John Kerry is not returning John McCain’s phone calls. According to NewsMax.com, the badly defeated Kerry is apparently holding a grudge against McCain:
It looks like failed presidential candidate John Kerry is nursing a grudge against his one-time friend and former defender, Sen. John McCain, who revealed yesterday that he's tried to contact the Massachusetts Democrat since his crushing defeat, but Kerry won't return his calls.
"I put in a call to John and I have not heard back from him," McCain told ABC Radio host Sean Hannity.
"We were friends and will remain friends," said the Arizona Republican, sounding mystified over the cold shoulder from his fellow Vietnam veteran.
"While McCain campaigned for President Bush, he went out of his way not to attack Kerry - and he harshly denounced a campaign by the Swiftvets and POWs for Truth to expose Kerry's Vietnam War record.
McCain said his old buddy needs to put his election defeat behind him and concentrate on his work in the Senate. "We've got a lot of issues that we've got to work on in a bipartisan way."
Pie,
Kerry snubbing McCain
Call it a bad case of bad attitude, but John Kerry is not returning John McCain’s phone calls. According to NewsMax.com, the badly defeated Kerry is apparently holding a grudge against McCain:
It looks like failed presidential candidate John Kerry is nursing a grudge against his one-time friend and former defender, Sen. John McCain, who revealed yesterday that he's tried to contact the Massachusetts Democrat since his crushing defeat, but Kerry won't return his calls.
"I put in a call to John and I have not heard back from him," McCain told ABC Radio host Sean Hannity.
"We were friends and will remain friends," said the Arizona Republican, sounding mystified over the cold shoulder from his fellow Vietnam veteran.
"While McCain campaigned for President Bush, he went out of his way not to attack Kerry - and he harshly denounced a campaign by the Swiftvets and POWs for Truth to expose Kerry's Vietnam War record.
McCain said his old buddy needs to put his election defeat behind him and concentrate on his work in the Senate. "We've got a lot of issues that we've got to work on in a bipartisan way."
According to NewsMax.com, the badly defeated Kerry is apparently holding a grudge against McCain:
Now there's a source that thinks highly of Kerry. Last time I saw them they were sponsoring "Stolen Honor" on PaxTV. You'll have to come up with a second source if you want anybody to believe you. I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that Newsmax isn't credible about Kerry.
According to NewsMax.com, the badly defeated Kerry is apparently holding a grudge against McCain:
Now there's a source that thinks highly of Kerry. Last time I saw them they were sponsoring "Stolen Honor" on PaxTV. You'll have to come up with a second source if you want anybody to believe you. I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that Newsmax isn't credible about Kerry.
Heddy!
Heddy!
Depends on the individual writers.
The republicans have so little credibility that it will take years before I ever trust one again.
Depends on the individual writers.
The republicans have so little credibility that it will take years before I ever trust one again.
BTW, what Librarian said:
Democratic Senators are tearing into the Omnibus appropriations bill RIGHT NOW, LIVE, on CSPAN2.
If any of you "where are the Dems?" wankers are still around and are genuinely interested in what they're doing, go catch it. Take notes. Send supportive E-mail to the good guys. For instance, Sen Lautenberg is tearing into the anti-choice facets of the bill. He deserves some E-love.
Or, you could just continue to wave the flag of virtue from atop your ivory towers. Yeah, LFoD, I'm talking to you.
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BTW, what Librarian said:
Democratic Senators are tearing into the Omnibus appropriations bill RIGHT NOW, LIVE, on CSPAN2.
If any of you "where are the Dems?" wankers are still around and are genuinely interested in what they're doing, go catch it. Take notes. Send supportive E-mail to the good guys. For instance, Sen Lautenberg is tearing into the anti-choice facets of the bill. He deserves some E-love.
Or, you could just continue to wave the flag of virtue from atop your ivory towers. Yeah, LFoD, I'm talking to you.
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"The dems just keep on doing the same thing over and over again. And what was the deal with Kerry conceding w/o allt he votes counted."
If you like Palast's answer, it was that Kerry realized that the Rs were pulling another 2000 takeover, with threats, and the better part of valor was a tactical retreat, in order to fight another day.
After all, vote fraud is not fair play. That sounds weak, that's democracy for you. It's not Kerry's responsibility to prosecute vote fraud -- that's why we have an FBI.
That said, yeah, it was the shaft. But anyone who has lived long enough in a democracy knows the shaft good and well.
Still Kerry is in the fight, still he is in the Senate, he won the election by landslide so ~85 million Americans support him and will work to topple Bush. We have very little option, so whining and attacking our man in office is counterproductive, though it may make you feel better.
" If the situation was reversed, do you think the Bush would concede? Or charge that there was some vote manipulation scandal?
Live Free or Die
If the situation was reversed, Bush would kill whomever he had to in order to reverse it again. When asked by the UK amb. what to do about India, Hitler said, 'That's easy. Shoot Gandhi.'
The UK amb. thought H was making an off-color joke (and the UK amb. was enough of a racist not to see otherwise).
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"The dems just keep on doing the same thing over and over again. And what was the deal with Kerry conceding w/o allt he votes counted."
If you like Palast's answer, it was that Kerry realized that the Rs were pulling another 2000 takeover, with threats, and the better part of valor was a tactical retreat, in order to fight another day.
After all, vote fraud is not fair play. That sounds weak, that's democracy for you. It's not Kerry's responsibility to prosecute vote fraud -- that's why we have an FBI.
That said, yeah, it was the shaft. But anyone who has lived long enough in a democracy knows the shaft good and well.
Still Kerry is in the fight, still he is in the Senate, he won the election by landslide so ~85 million Americans support him and will work to topple Bush. We have very little option, so whining and attacking our man in office is counterproductive, though it may make you feel better.
" If the situation was reversed, do you think the Bush would concede? Or charge that there was some vote manipulation scandal?
Live Free or Die
If the situation was reversed, Bush would kill whomever he had to in order to reverse it again. When asked by the UK amb. what to do about India, Hitler said, 'That's easy. Shoot Gandhi.'
The UK amb. thought H was making an off-color joke (and the UK amb. was enough of a racist not to see otherwise).
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NewsMax.com
Oh, blah, blah, blah.
How smart are you?
NewsMax.com
Oh, blah, blah, blah.
How smart are you?
The republicans have so little credibility that it will take years before I ever trust one again.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:17 pm | #
The Troll Quarterly is more nonpartisan than Republican.
The republicans have so little credibility that it will take years before I ever trust one again.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:17 pm | #
The Troll Quarterly is more nonpartisan than Republican.
Yea, but MCcain gave a direct quote. Look, if you think the source is bullshit, then get on google until you find a source you like
Yea, but MCcain gave a direct quote. Look, if you think the source is bullshit, then get on google until you find a source you like
NewsMax.com
Oh, blah, blah, blah.
How smart are you?
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:18 pm | #
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Exactly. Quoting Newsmax on Kerry is like quoting John O'Neil on Kerry.
NewsMax.com
Oh, blah, blah, blah.
How smart are you?
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:18 pm | #
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Exactly. Quoting Newsmax on Kerry is like quoting John O'Neil on Kerry.
Yea, but MCcain gave a direct quote. Look, if you think the source is bullshit, then get on google until you find a source you like
Why should I give a flying fuck whether McCain or Kerry are getting along. You're the one who brought it up to back up some point you were trying to make. If you want to use it, you find a source.
Yea, but MCcain gave a direct quote. Look, if you think the source is bullshit, then get on google until you find a source you like
Why should I give a flying fuck whether McCain or Kerry are getting along. You're the one who brought it up to back up some point you were trying to make. If you want to use it, you find a source.
For those of us who have cats, I suggest a symbolic gesture showing our disdain of McCain.
Print a photo of McCain, or clip same from a magazine or paper and bury one in each litter box you have.
Cleaning out the boxes is not a fun chore, but at least the rsults of the above will give you a short laugh or two.
For those of us who have cats, I suggest a symbolic gesture showing our disdain of McCain.
Print a photo of McCain, or clip same from a magazine or paper and bury one in each litter box you have.
Cleaning out the boxes is not a fun chore, but at least the rsults of the above will give you a short laugh or two.
Or, you could just continue to wave the flag of virtue from atop your ivory towers. Yeah, LFoD, I'm talking to you.
As are we all.
You're not part of the solution, LFoD.
Or, you could just continue to wave the flag of virtue from atop your ivory towers. Yeah, LFoD, I'm talking to you.
As are we all.
You're not part of the solution, LFoD.
Pie,
obviously I have a crush 
Pie,
obviously I have a crush
Can we get back to the road from Baghdad Airport? I suggest the airport be named Rumsfield, and the road Freedom March Freeway.
Can we get back to the road from Baghdad Airport? I suggest the airport be named Rumsfield, and the road Freedom March Freeway.
"Or, you could just continue to wave the flag of virtue from atop your ivory towers. Yeah, LFoD, I'm talking to you."
Hey, Fielding, soldarity cuts both ways, and a lot of atriosans haven't exactly been doing solidarity fighting the vote fraud. Scoffing at critics is fine in normal times, but really, atriosans have waved the flag of virtue in my face many times.
Like, do you remember last spring when I was pushing impeachment, and many atriosans said,
'We'll wait for the election.'
There are a whole lot of us in the 'guess again' category.
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"Or, you could just continue to wave the flag of virtue from atop your ivory towers. Yeah, LFoD, I'm talking to you."
Hey, Fielding, soldarity cuts both ways, and a lot of atriosans haven't exactly been doing solidarity fighting the vote fraud. Scoffing at critics is fine in normal times, but really, atriosans have waved the flag of virtue in my face many times.
Like, do you remember last spring when I was pushing impeachment, and many atriosans said,
'We'll wait for the election.'
There are a whole lot of us in the 'guess again' category.
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According to NewsMax.com...
According to Satan...
According to NewsMax.com...
According to Satan...
"You're not part of the solution, LFoD.
pie"
Actually, in fact, he is.
--
"You're not part of the solution, LFoD.
pie"
Actually, in fact, he is.
--
Like, do you remember last spring when I was pushing impeachment, and many atriosans said,
Who had control of Congress last spring?
You don't know how the government operates, I'm afraid.
Like, do you remember last spring when I was pushing impeachment, and many atriosans said,
Who had control of Congress last spring?
You don't know how the government operates, I'm afraid.
According to NewsMax.com...
According to Satan...
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:23 pm | #
I've always wondered how someone with poor trolling skills like LFOD can take over a thread.
A skilled troll would have brought up a source that was a bit more, shall we say, bipartisan with the idea that it would fool more people.
But it didn't matter. He gets responses anyway. It's kind of a metaphor for our political system in a way. Bad trolling. But skilled enough to fool the American people.
According to NewsMax.com...
According to Satan...
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:23 pm | #
I've always wondered how someone with poor trolling skills like LFOD can take over a thread.
A skilled troll would have brought up a source that was a bit more, shall we say, bipartisan with the idea that it would fool more people.
But it didn't matter. He gets responses anyway. It's kind of a metaphor for our political system in a way. Bad trolling. But skilled enough to fool the American people.
"For those of us who have cats, I suggest a symbolic gesture showing our disdain of McCain."
That's not funny. For all your haughty dislike of McCain, he remains a war hero and the people who understand what that means continue to protect him, even when USPNAC spins him around on their middle fingers like a yo-yo.
That's someone who paid a BIG sacrifice in pain and endurance. He should retire, but let's skip the trashing, shall we?
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"For those of us who have cats, I suggest a symbolic gesture showing our disdain of McCain."
That's not funny. For all your haughty dislike of McCain, he remains a war hero and the people who understand what that means continue to protect him, even when USPNAC spins him around on their middle fingers like a yo-yo.
That's someone who paid a BIG sacrifice in pain and endurance. He should retire, but let's skip the trashing, shall we?
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John Kerry's pattern is one of deception. He went to a medal burning durning Viet-Nam protestation and burnt his ribbons but kept his medals. He fought to defend his country in a war that he didn't believe in.
Let me be clear here, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANNOT HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. IT IS THE PARTY OF A PRESIDENT WHO LIES ABOUT RECEIVING A BLOW JOB WHILE AT WORK. IT IS THE PARTY OF A FLIP FLOPPER NAMED JOHN KERRY WHO RAN A CAMPAIGN BASED ON INSULTING STATISTICAL ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HUMAN NATURE. IT IS THE PARTY OF JOHN KERRY, A LOSER WHO HAS BETRAYED A MOVEMENT ENERGIZED BY A REAL LEADER NAMED HOWARD DEAN WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
HOWARD DEAN: YOU MUST BEAT THE DEMOCRATS IN ORDER TO BEAT THE REPUBLICANS. I AM CALLING ON YOU TO LEAVE YOUR PARTY. YOU CAN OUTFUND RAISE THEM AND YOU CAN BEAT THEM.
read the full treatise at my blog:
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John Kerry's pattern is one of deception. He went to a medal burning durning Viet-Nam protestation and burnt his ribbons but kept his medals. He fought to defend his country in a war that he didn't believe in.
Let me be clear here, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CANNOT HELP THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. IT IS THE PARTY OF A PRESIDENT WHO LIES ABOUT RECEIVING A BLOW JOB WHILE AT WORK. IT IS THE PARTY OF A FLIP FLOPPER NAMED JOHN KERRY WHO RAN A CAMPAIGN BASED ON INSULTING STATISTICAL ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT HUMAN NATURE. IT IS THE PARTY OF JOHN KERRY, A LOSER WHO HAS BETRAYED A MOVEMENT ENERGIZED BY A REAL LEADER NAMED HOWARD DEAN WHO HAD THE COURAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
HOWARD DEAN: YOU MUST BEAT THE DEMOCRATS IN ORDER TO BEAT THE REPUBLICANS. I AM CALLING ON YOU TO LEAVE YOUR PARTY. YOU CAN OUTFUND RAISE THEM AND YOU CAN BEAT THEM.
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This is ridiculous.
The trollz are in 7th grade?
This is ridiculous.
The trollz are in 7th grade?
"I've always wondered how someone with poor trolling skills like LFOD can take over a thread.
A skilled troll..."
LFoD is NOT a troll. He is someone who is smarting with the pain of betrayal, and hey, my ass don't feel so good either.
SOLIDARITY.
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"I've always wondered how someone with poor trolling skills like LFOD can take over a thread.
A skilled troll..."
LFoD is NOT a troll. He is someone who is smarting with the pain of betrayal, and hey, my ass don't feel so good either.
SOLIDARITY.
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To spread our memes and frames, we need a distribution system. We could spend decades building up a counter to the GOP talk-radio, faux news, thinktank trifecta or...
We can do it now.
Operation: Red Illumination
Join the Resistance.
To spread our memes and frames, we need a distribution system. We could spend decades building up a counter to the GOP talk-radio, faux news, thinktank trifecta or...
We can do it now.
Operation: Red Illumination
Join the Resistance.
"John Kerry's pattern is one of deception."
THAT'S a troll (please don't feed).
Note the completed act of PROJECTION.
Gee, this new insanity feels so warm, it's like a bathtub full of piss!
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"John Kerry's pattern is one of deception."
THAT'S a troll (please don't feed).
Note the completed act of PROJECTION.
Gee, this new insanity feels so warm, it's like a bathtub full of piss!
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For all your haughty dislike of McCain, he remains a war hero
Isn't Osama a war hero?
I'm not comparing the two (don't want to insult Osama) but merely showing courage in a war isn't enough to give you any credibility in my book.
Fuck McCain. If you buy into the war hero crap, you play into the act.
For all your haughty dislike of McCain, he remains a war hero
Isn't Osama a war hero?
I'm not comparing the two (don't want to insult Osama) but merely showing courage in a war isn't enough to give you any credibility in my book.
Fuck McCain. If you buy into the war hero crap, you play into the act.
ollie, you are in 7th grade!
I knew it!
ollie, you are in 7th grade!
I knew it!
...if you think the source is bullshit--
It is. Everyone knows it. Even moronic brownshirt fucks.
Can we all ignore this prick now? Thanks.
...if you think the source is bullshit--
It is. Everyone knows it. Even moronic brownshirt fucks.
Can we all ignore this prick now? Thanks.
LFoD is NOT a troll. He is someone who is smarting with the pain of betrayal, and hey, my ass don't feel so good either.
Then he's got to be mind blowingly stupid to believe Newsmax on Kerry.
I'm not even saying Newsmax is worthless but it is worthless about Kerry.
LFoD is NOT a troll. He is someone who is smarting with the pain of betrayal, and hey, my ass don't feel so good either.
Then he's got to be mind blowingly stupid to believe Newsmax on Kerry.
I'm not even saying Newsmax is worthless but it is worthless about Kerry.
This guy from Alaska is oh, so sorry, and his people haven't slept for two days.
Aw.
This guy from Alaska is oh, so sorry, and his people haven't slept for two days.
Aw.
I'm not even saying Newsmax is worthless but it is worthless about Kerry
Ok, I'll say it then. Newsmax is worthless. Period.
I'm not even saying Newsmax is worthless but it is worthless about Kerry
Ok, I'll say it then. Newsmax is worthless. Period.
Sometimes when I don't sleep for two days I accidentally try to strip Americans of basic privacy rights.
Sometimes when I don't sleep for two days I accidentally try to strip Americans of basic privacy rights.
I've got the Exorcist Playing on TV behind me. Good quote by Max Von Sydow.
"The Devil will mix in some parts of the truth with his lies to confuse us".
McCain's occasional flirtations with being a moderate are similar
McCain = Satan
Don't forget it.
I've got the Exorcist Playing on TV behind me. Good quote by Max Von Sydow.
"The Devil will mix in some parts of the truth with his lies to confuse us".
McCain's occasional flirtations with being a moderate are similar
McCain = Satan
Don't forget it.
Could happen to anyone. Right?
Could happen to anyone. Right?
if you can, it's fascinating watching cspan2 on this irs provision sneaked into the appropriations bill. kent conrad -- who knew.
if you can, it's fascinating watching cspan2 on this irs provision sneaked into the appropriations bill. kent conrad -- who knew.
Ted Stevens is losing his mind. Kick ass.
Ted Stevens is losing his mind. Kick ass.
Actually, the title of the thread is appropriate:
One Road.
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Actually, the title of the thread is appropriate:
One Road.
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I don't get it- I'm a Libertarian, and it seem as if I am more radical that these wimpy dems. I know many Libertarians liked Dean and Clark just becaused they seemed on fire, and unwilling to back down. It reminded me of Newt when the repubs were taking over power in DC
Do not confuse radicalism with backbone. The Dems in general are spineless jellyfish who are a shade of grey in the spectrum of Republicanism.
Dean and Clark aren't radicals. But they do have courage and will stand up for it.
I don't get it- I'm a Libertarian, and it seem as if I am more radical that these wimpy dems. I know many Libertarians liked Dean and Clark just becaused they seemed on fire, and unwilling to back down. It reminded me of Newt when the repubs were taking over power in DC
Do not confuse radicalism with backbone. The Dems in general are spineless jellyfish who are a shade of grey in the spectrum of Republicanism.
Dean and Clark aren't radicals. But they do have courage and will stand up for it.
Sometimes when I don't sleep for two days I accidentally try to strip Americans of basic privacy rights.
So do Americans actually believe that this happens accidentally?
Now they're yelling.
Good. Yell. The process has broken down. It's wrong.
Sometimes when I don't sleep for two days I accidentally try to strip Americans of basic privacy rights.
So do Americans actually believe that this happens accidentally?
Now they're yelling.
Good. Yell. The process has broken down. It's wrong.
Methinks Stevens protests too much.
Methinks Stevens protests too much.
c-span good
repubs bad
c-span good
repubs bad
McCain is useless. I respect his service and his suffering 30 years ago. I put him in the Colin Powell category. Either of these people could have stepped up and singlehandly prevented Iraqnam. Or at least made it so political-capital expensive that Chimpy would have lost 80-20%. Instead they enabled this drunk bankrupting our military and our country. Their silence and enabling is doing the work of Osama.
McCain is useless. I respect his service and his suffering 30 years ago. I put him in the Colin Powell category. Either of these people could have stepped up and singlehandly prevented Iraqnam. Or at least made it so political-capital expensive that Chimpy would have lost 80-20%. Instead they enabled this drunk bankrupting our military and our country. Their silence and enabling is doing the work of Osama.
Dean and Clark aren't radicals. But they do have courage and will stand up for it.
The Devil will mix in some parts of the truth with his lies to confuse us.
Do not feed the troll.
Dean and Clark aren't radicals. But they do have courage and will stand up for it.
The Devil will mix in some parts of the truth with his lies to confuse us.
Do not feed the troll.
powerade, (the name you're using now?) get the fuck out of here.
powerade, (the name you're using now?) get the fuck out of here.
"Then he's got to be mind blowingly stupid to believe Newsmax on Kerry. "
Mindblowing stupid is not a monopoly, SWR.
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"Then he's got to be mind blowingly stupid to believe Newsmax on Kerry. "
Mindblowing stupid is not a monopoly, SWR.
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I respect his service and his suffering 30 years ago. I put him in the Colin Powell category. Either of these people could have stepped up and singlehandly prevented Iraqnam.
Here's another war hero who fucked up big time.
I respect his service and his suffering 30 years ago. I put him in the Colin Powell category. Either of these people could have stepped up and singlehandly prevented Iraqnam.
Here's another war hero who fucked up big time.
I love this big argument about the right to keep your tax returns private (which I ardently agree with) and threatening to veto the bill - but a woman's right to privacy, well that can be put off for several months.
Anybody else see the irony?
Shit
I love this big argument about the right to keep your tax returns private (which I ardently agree with) and threatening to veto the bill - but a woman's right to privacy, well that can be put off for several months.
Anybody else see the irony?
Shit
Stevens: "This is just as much your fault as ours."
Something like that.
Stevens: "This is just as much your fault as ours."
Something like that.
powerade, (the name you're using now?) get the fuck out of here.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:42 pm | #
Powerade. The Power of Christ compels You.
powerade, (the name you're using now?) get the fuck out of here.
pie | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:42 pm | #
Powerade. The Power of Christ compels You.
Stop me if you've heard this story before:
Great white father speaks with forked tongue, takes other people's land and kills them.
same old, same old, no?
A Dr. Wu first.
Stop me if you've heard this story before:
Great white father speaks with forked tongue, takes other people's land and kills them.
same old, same old, no?
A Dr. Wu first.
McCain = Satan
Don't forget it.
SWR
mccain is a trophy to human ugliness at this point, and he'll only appeal to places where cannibalism is fashionable. When this next administration is through he will straggle off across the desert to poison other places where geese, egrets, raven, ducks, lizards and snakes are afraid to tread.
McCain = Satan
Don't forget it.
SWR
mccain is a trophy to human ugliness at this point, and he'll only appeal to places where cannibalism is fashionable. When this next administration is through he will straggle off across the desert to poison other places where geese, egrets, raven, ducks, lizards and snakes are afraid to tread.
"McCain is useless. I respect his service and his suffering 30 years ago. I put him in the Colin Powell category."
Wow, in no fucking way. Powell is an outright traitor. McCain is a very unwilling appeaser who has betrayed himself several times. That, and he's a war hawk.
Installing ME airbases is not a military goal that looks entirely stupid to warhawks. It's just the kind of warhawk nonsense that someone like McCain would sucker into, and then get played by USPNAC.
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"McCain is useless. I respect his service and his suffering 30 years ago. I put him in the Colin Powell category."
Wow, in no fucking way. Powell is an outright traitor. McCain is a very unwilling appeaser who has betrayed himself several times. That, and he's a war hawk.
Installing ME airbases is not a military goal that looks entirely stupid to warhawks. It's just the kind of warhawk nonsense that someone like McCain would sucker into, and then get played by USPNAC.
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Instead, you chose to muck up multiple threads with this kind of shit:
Typical Democrat. Uncaring. Uninformed. Bigoted.
That is why you are the minority, you have no values.
11.20.04 - 12:56 pm |
BTW, I'm glad Ken Starr made it legal to arrest Democrats. It'll be fun watching the fat cats be led off to Leavenworth.
11.20.04 - 1:00 pm |
The Democratic Party.
A group of failed losers who will all be in prison by 2008.
11.20.04 - 1:43 pm |
Did you really think we'd all be so alarmed at the prospect of losing your powerful intellectual talents that we'd rush to implement your reforms? Oh, that's right - you didn't have any that amounted to anything more than insubstantial bitching.
Everything I wrote it true. If the Democrats really cared, there would be opposition, not contrition, towards the GOP. Daschle and Gephardt couldn't do enough to give Bush everything he wanted.
And as far as Ken Starr was concerned, show me ONE Democrat who stood up to him. None. Pathetic. A true fighting party would have made a mockery out of Starr and the Monica-gate fiasco.
Instead, you allowed it to ruin your party.
Instead, you chose to muck up multiple threads with this kind of shit:
Typical Democrat. Uncaring. Uninformed. Bigoted.
That is why you are the minority, you have no values.
11.20.04 - 12:56 pm |
BTW, I'm glad Ken Starr made it legal to arrest Democrats. It'll be fun watching the fat cats be led off to Leavenworth.
11.20.04 - 1:00 pm |
The Democratic Party.
A group of failed losers who will all be in prison by 2008.
11.20.04 - 1:43 pm |
Did you really think we'd all be so alarmed at the prospect of losing your powerful intellectual talents that we'd rush to implement your reforms? Oh, that's right - you didn't have any that amounted to anything more than insubstantial bitching.
Everything I wrote it true. If the Democrats really cared, there would be opposition, not contrition, towards the GOP. Daschle and Gephardt couldn't do enough to give Bush everything he wanted.
And as far as Ken Starr was concerned, show me ONE Democrat who stood up to him. None. Pathetic. A true fighting party would have made a mockery out of Starr and the Monica-gate fiasco.
Instead, you allowed it to ruin your party.
Kent Conrad seems to be doing well. Nice recipe: Republican feet ---> Fire
Kent Conrad seems to be doing well. Nice recipe: Republican feet ---> Fire
I love this big argument about the right to keep your tax returns private (which I ardently agree with) and threatening to veto the bill - but a woman's right to privacy, well that can be put off for several months.
Anybody else see the irony?
I have an iron.
I love this big argument about the right to keep your tax returns private (which I ardently agree with) and threatening to veto the bill - but a woman's right to privacy, well that can be put off for several months.
Anybody else see the irony?
I have an iron.
They didn't catch it.
Hahahahahaha. Yeah, right.
pie
anyone taking bets that they'll both show up in conference committee?
They didn't catch it.
Hahahahahaha. Yeah, right.
pie
anyone taking bets that they'll both show up in conference committee?
Instead, you allowed it to ruin your party.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:47 pm | #
The Power of Christ Compels You.
Instead, you allowed it to ruin your party.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:47 pm | #
The Power of Christ Compels You.
powerade,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
And have a nice day. 
powerade,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
And have a nice day.
"mccain is a trophy to human ugliness at this point, and he'll only appeal to places where cannibalism is fashionable."
Utterly untrue slander. McCain is on my tv saying that this 1,000s page appropriations bill is nonsense. What's ugly is sitting down and taking it in silence.
If Bush tripped down the WH stairs and broke his neck (praise Jesus), McCain would not be entirely horrified.
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out. He should retire, he's probably not fit, but prima donna or trophy he is not.
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"mccain is a trophy to human ugliness at this point, and he'll only appeal to places where cannibalism is fashionable."
Utterly untrue slander. McCain is on my tv saying that this 1,000s page appropriations bill is nonsense. What's ugly is sitting down and taking it in silence.
If Bush tripped down the WH stairs and broke his neck (praise Jesus), McCain would not be entirely horrified.
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out. He should retire, he's probably not fit, but prima donna or trophy he is not.
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Stevens is pounding and spitting and pleading (he must have plane tickets)--he says, "mistake", he says "sorry", he says "not our fault because we didn't have enough time" and then he says:
pass the bill, trust us, WE WON'T USE THE TAX SNOOPING PROVISION AND IT WILL GET REMOVED WHEN WE COME BACK.
(of course, Stevens won't be Chairman for the 109th session.)
so, "trust us"? where have we heard this before?
do you think we can call these Senators' offices right now and support them in blocking the bill? would anyone answer? would the staff tell the Senators that people were calling?
-L.
oh, Paul--i found a good site for following all the Ohio stories:
http://ohvotesuppression.blogspot.com/
Stevens is pounding and spitting and pleading (he must have plane tickets)--he says, "mistake", he says "sorry", he says "not our fault because we didn't have enough time" and then he says:
pass the bill, trust us, WE WON'T USE THE TAX SNOOPING PROVISION AND IT WILL GET REMOVED WHEN WE COME BACK.
(of course, Stevens won't be Chairman for the 109th session.)
so, "trust us"? where have we heard this before?
do you think we can call these Senators' offices right now and support them in blocking the bill? would anyone answer? would the staff tell the Senators that people were calling?
-L.
oh, Paul--i found a good site for following all the Ohio stories:
http://ohvotesuppression.blogspot.com/
anyone taking bets that they'll both show up in conference committee?
Either that or our reps, dem and repubs, are totally clueless.
Wow. Just fuckin' wow.
anyone taking bets that they'll both show up in conference committee?
Either that or our reps, dem and repubs, are totally clueless.
Wow. Just fuckin' wow.
nothing should be kept private if it touches the government directly - indirectly would qualify as medical records (medicaid) and this should remain private.
you want to live in an open democratic society or an agendocracy?
if you want the latter try residency in the bangkok hilton -- the girls and the drinks are cheap, but at least you never have regret
nothing should be kept private if it touches the government directly - indirectly would qualify as medical records (medicaid) and this should remain private.
you want to live in an open democratic society or an agendocracy?
if you want the latter try residency in the bangkok hilton -- the girls and the drinks are cheap, but at least you never have regret
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out.
Yeah so? How many Islamic terrorists are in Gitmo right now in cells being tortured? A lot I'd say.
Once again, I'm not comparing McCain to a member of Al Qaeda. But I am saying that physical bravery and the ability to take pain don't in and of themselves give credibility (or even merit respect).
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out.
Yeah so? How many Islamic terrorists are in Gitmo right now in cells being tortured? A lot I'd say.
Once again, I'm not comparing McCain to a member of Al Qaeda. But I am saying that physical bravery and the ability to take pain don't in and of themselves give credibility (or even merit respect).
powerade, (the name you're using now?) get the fuck out of here.
Typical. Weak, pathetic, partisans reduced to name calling.
Look in the mirror, you are as responsible for the hell this country is about to face as anyone. In fact it is the Democratic party that is to blame because its leaders, and its minions, have been awol the past forty years. In the meantime, the right has steamrolled its way into power as rightwing coup after coup was permitted to stand with silence from the opposition.
powerade, (the name you're using now?) get the fuck out of here.
Typical. Weak, pathetic, partisans reduced to name calling.
Look in the mirror, you are as responsible for the hell this country is about to face as anyone. In fact it is the Democratic party that is to blame because its leaders, and its minions, have been awol the past forty years. In the meantime, the right has steamrolled its way into power as rightwing coup after coup was permitted to stand with silence from the opposition.
"Daschle and Gephardt couldn't do enough to give Bush everything he wanted."
More slander. Gephardt lost his position to Pelosi BECAUSE he would not shift, but Daschle fought long and hard while he was the Majority Leader, handing Bush, pre-911, a bunch of losses.
What part of 911 is a specific fault of the Democratic party? It was a national tragedy, abetted by bastards at the other end of the Avenue.
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"Daschle and Gephardt couldn't do enough to give Bush everything he wanted."
More slander. Gephardt lost his position to Pelosi BECAUSE he would not shift, but Daschle fought long and hard while he was the Majority Leader, handing Bush, pre-911, a bunch of losses.
What part of 911 is a specific fault of the Democratic party? It was a national tragedy, abetted by bastards at the other end of the Avenue.
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Look in the mirror, you are as responsible for the hell this country is about to face as anyone. In fact it is the Democratic party that is to blame because its leaders, and its minions, have been awol the past forty years. In the meantime, the right has steamrolled its way into power as rightwing coup after coup was permitted to stand with silence from the opposition.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:53 pm | #
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
Look in the mirror, you are as responsible for the hell this country is about to face as anyone. In fact it is the Democratic party that is to blame because its leaders, and its minions, have been awol the past forty years. In the meantime, the right has steamrolled its way into power as rightwing coup after coup was permitted to stand with silence from the opposition.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:53 pm | #
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out. He should retire, he's probably not fit, but prima donna or trophy he is not.
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Paul
so paulie-boy -- and i use that term in a non-bathhouse sorta way -- all bets are off after mccain kissed dubya's dick after the swifties were done slopping lies on kerry -- where was HIS nerve then?
i may end up in a cell and i may get tortured by this fascist regime, but you are nothing more than a sheep getting sodomized by gutter pimps like mccain
wake up, fuckwad
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out. He should retire, he's probably not fit, but prima donna or trophy he is not.
--
Paul
so paulie-boy -- and i use that term in a non-bathhouse sorta way -- all bets are off after mccain kissed dubya's dick after the swifties were done slopping lies on kerry -- where was HIS nerve then?
i may end up in a cell and i may get tortured by this fascist regime, but you are nothing more than a sheep getting sodomized by gutter pimps like mccain
wake up, fuckwad
powerade,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
And have a nice day.
Cute. Productive.
And you wonder how this country got to this Flirt with Fascism.
powerade,
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
And have a nice day.
Cute. Productive.
And you wonder how this country got to this Flirt with Fascism.
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out. He should retire, he's probably not fit, but prima donna or trophy he is not.
He's on Bush's wall.
All anyone needs to know.
Politics: the most dangerous game.
Let's put YOU in a cell and torture YOU, see how YOU come out. He should retire, he's probably not fit, but prima donna or trophy he is not.
He's on Bush's wall.
All anyone needs to know.
Politics: the most dangerous game.
I guess freedom is on the march then.
I guess freedom is on the march then.
And you wonder how this country got to this Flirt with Fascism.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:56 pm | #
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
And you wonder how this country got to this Flirt with Fascism.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:56 pm | #
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
"Yeah so? How many Islamic terrorists are in Gitmo right now in cells being tortured? A lot I'd say."
Actually, very few. The people in Guantanamo are mostly innocent.
"I am saying that physical bravery and the ability to take pain don't in and of themselves give credibility (or even merit respect).
SWR"
Yeah, because it's not a circus act, fucker. He survived torture at the hand of the enemy during service to his country. Service in which he offered to die for America.
You don't support the troops, that's your problem.
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"Yeah so? How many Islamic terrorists are in Gitmo right now in cells being tortured? A lot I'd say."
Actually, very few. The people in Guantanamo are mostly innocent.
"I am saying that physical bravery and the ability to take pain don't in and of themselves give credibility (or even merit respect).
SWR"
Yeah, because it's not a circus act, fucker. He survived torture at the hand of the enemy during service to his country. Service in which he offered to die for America.
You don't support the troops, that's your problem.
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And you wonder how this country got to this Flirt with Fascism.
You're an asshole.
And you wonder how this country got to this Flirt with Fascism.
You're an asshole.
On the bright side, Byrd is in CSPAN saying words like Byrd said excrescence....and portends....
On the bright side, Byrd is in CSPAN saying words like Byrd said excrescence....and portends....
FREE ALL PLASTIC TURKEYS
FREE ALL PLASTIC TURKEYS
Everything I wrote it true. If the Democrats really cared, there would be opposition, not contrition, towards the GOP. Daschle and Gephardt couldn't do enough to give Bush everything he wanted.
And as far as Ken Starr was concerned, show me ONE Democrat who stood up to him. None. Pathetic. A true fighting party would have made a mockery out of Starr and the Monica-gate fiasco.
Instead, you allowed it to ruin your party.
I think this is a first here at Atrios. We've had all sorts of trolls fouling up the place, but this here is new wrinkle. A leftie, pissed at the Democrats, pretending to be a Republican, perhaps in hopes that we'll take what he says more seriously coming from the right rather than from the left. Not as meta-trolling, but as an actual trolling tactic.
Dear jeebus.
Everything I wrote it true. If the Democrats really cared, there would be opposition, not contrition, towards the GOP. Daschle and Gephardt couldn't do enough to give Bush everything he wanted.
And as far as Ken Starr was concerned, show me ONE Democrat who stood up to him. None. Pathetic. A true fighting party would have made a mockery out of Starr and the Monica-gate fiasco.
Instead, you allowed it to ruin your party.
I think this is a first here at Atrios. We've had all sorts of trolls fouling up the place, but this here is new wrinkle. A leftie, pissed at the Democrats, pretending to be a Republican, perhaps in hopes that we'll take what he says more seriously coming from the right rather than from the left. Not as meta-trolling, but as an actual trolling tactic.
Dear jeebus.
opps, weird sentence, sorry
opps, weird sentence, sorry
Holy fuck!!
Cspan 2!! thanks for the heads up. Stevens says the language is a mistake, and yet when the dems asked for a unanimous consent to remove the language the rethugs objected.
This is how it starts people. Giving congressmen the right to go into your tax returns and attack you.
And you know they will. Stevens says "I didn't ask for this power and won't use it." in other words, TRUST ME!!
Right.
No. FUCKING. WAY.
word up you fascist fucks. An insurrgency would work here too.
Holy fuck!!
Cspan 2!! thanks for the heads up. Stevens says the language is a mistake, and yet when the dems asked for a unanimous consent to remove the language the rethugs objected.
This is how it starts people. Giving congressmen the right to go into your tax returns and attack you.
And you know they will. Stevens says "I didn't ask for this power and won't use it." in other words, TRUST ME!!
Right.
No. FUCKING. WAY.
word up you fascist fucks. An insurrgency would work here too.
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
Yeah, sure. Forget it bub, I'm no fundie.
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
Yeah, sure. Forget it bub, I'm no fundie.
Sen. Byrd kind of makes me think of Bilbo Baggins with that vest (i mean this in a nice way, i kinda' like the old guy. he speaks his mind.)
-L.
Actually, very few. The people in Guantanamo are mostly innocent.
You dodged the point completely. There are a lot of Islamic terrorists who are incredibly brave and resiliant in the face of torture.
It doesn't give them credibility.
McCain's POW years are completely irrelevent as far as his credibility as a politician goes.
Sen. Byrd kind of makes me think of Bilbo Baggins with that vest (i mean this in a nice way, i kinda' like the old guy. he speaks his mind.)
-L.
Actually, very few. The people in Guantanamo are mostly innocent.
You dodged the point completely. There are a lot of Islamic terrorists who are incredibly brave and resiliant in the face of torture.
It doesn't give them credibility.
McCain's POW years are completely irrelevent as far as his credibility as a politician goes.
Yeah, sure. Forget it bub, I'm no fundie.
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THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
Yeah, sure. Forget it bub, I'm no fundie.
powerade | Email | Homepage | 11.20.04 - 6:58 pm | #
THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU
McCain was extreme rightwing before the Keating 5 scandals. He learned to play chameleon during all those battles. He is nothing but a two faced hustler.
McCain was extreme rightwing before the Keating 5 scandals. He learned to play chameleon during all those battles. He is nothing but a two faced hustler.
This is how it starts people. Giving congressmen the right to go into your tax returns and attack you.
Spine. I like it.
This is how it starts people. Giving congressmen the right to go into your tax returns and attack you.
Spine. I like it.
so ... let's work this issue out from the backend (which is where paul resides, apparently)
because he spent a bit of time at the hanoi hilton and got driven batshit by the NVA, he gets a free pass?
not even a pedestrian fascist like g. gordon liddy would attempt such a vile piece of nonsense spin ... and maybe there's a couple of iranian hostages from the 1980s who could be VP???
so ... let's work this issue out from the backend (which is where paul resides, apparently)
because he spent a bit of time at the hanoi hilton and got driven batshit by the NVA, he gets a free pass?
not even a pedestrian fascist like g. gordon liddy would attempt such a vile piece of nonsense spin ... and maybe there's a couple of iranian hostages from the 1980s who could be VP???
I love it that one of the most literate people in the Senate and the House of Representative is the Senator from West Virginia.
I love it that one of the most literate people in the Senate and the House of Representative is the Senator from West Virginia.
Byrd:
We can't go on like this. We just can't go on like this.
Byrd:
We can't go on like this. We just can't go on like this.
I am going to unleash my secret weapon and wreak havoc on the world unless I receive my ransom of ONE MILLION dollars!
I am going to unleash my secret weapon and wreak havoc on the world unless I receive my ransom of ONE MILLION dollars!
I want to cry, but I won't.
What has Bush done to this country?
I want to cry, but I won't.
What has Bush done to this country?
Where did I see info that they want to use that new "get anybodys tax records" rule to get Texas District Attorney Ronnie Earle's tax records?
And that was really nice of stevens to say he wouldn't use the rule. Ha!
"McCain's POW years are completely irrelevent as far as his credibility as a politician goes."
Look. He's -my- senator. He's not the best one there could be, but HE'S NOT JON KYL.
All politics are local. What the hell do you think I've been doing this afternoon, between home, the Phoenix office and the Washington office? I've been telling him that -as his constituent- it's okay if he holds up the bill. It's okay. Do it. That's -my- job, with -my- senator. Yes, there's a clear, federal responsibility for senators as well - but it's the constituents who have to ensure that the senators can do their jobs.
Where did I see info that they want to use that new "get anybodys tax records" rule to get Texas District Attorney Ronnie Earle's tax records?
And that was really nice of stevens to say he wouldn't use the rule. Ha!
"McCain's POW years are completely irrelevent as far as his credibility as a politician goes."
Look. He's -my- senator. He's not the best one there could be, but HE'S NOT JON KYL.
All politics are local. What the hell do you think I've been doing this afternoon, between home, the Phoenix office and the Washington office? I've been telling him that -as his constituent- it's okay if he holds up the bill. It's okay. Do it. That's -my- job, with -my- senator. Yes, there's a clear, federal responsibility for senators as well - but it's the constituents who have to ensure that the senators can do their jobs.
Byrd.
My God.
I'm crying.
Byrd.
My God.
I'm crying.
Senate Trivia: according to their calendar, RIGHT NOW they are in the "morning" portion of the "Senate Day."
looks like the GPO will be up all night again tonight, waiting to print the Record.
-L.
Senate Trivia: according to their calendar, RIGHT NOW they are in the "morning" portion of the "Senate Day."
looks like the GPO will be up all night again tonight, waiting to print the Record.
-L.
On those restless nights when daddy bush drank scotch with dubya in the big house, he often joked about McCain. "How many more committees can we grow on that moron?" he would ask, while Manolo brought out the fresh ice and glasses and Jim Baker scanned the stack of daily action memos for new ways to skullfuck the senator over his dealings with Keating and the seven dwarfs.
short version: McCain is the hired help and he sits outside on the porch for a fee - if he wanted to make a difference, he would have joined a bi-partisan ticket and made real inroads towards addressing what ails the country.
but no -- he went for the gutter and the easy excuse -- and for that he gets the same place on the bookshelf as colson, ehrlichman and e. howard hunt -- another petty crook with venom in his arteries
On those restless nights when daddy bush drank scotch with dubya in the big house, he often joked about McCain. "How many more committees can we grow on that moron?" he would ask, while Manolo brought out the fresh ice and glasses and Jim Baker scanned the stack of daily action memos for new ways to skullfuck the senator over his dealings with Keating and the seven dwarfs.
short version: McCain is the hired help and he sits outside on the porch for a fee - if he wanted to make a difference, he would have joined a bi-partisan ticket and made real inroads towards addressing what ails the country.
but no -- he went for the gutter and the easy excuse -- and for that he gets the same place on the bookshelf as colson, ehrlichman and e. howard hunt -- another petty crook with venom in his arteries
The record speaks. The record tells the truth.
The record speaks. The record tells the truth.
I think I want to hug Senator Byrd.
FREE ALL PLASTIC JESUSES
I think I want to hug Senator Byrd.
FREE ALL PLASTIC JESUSES
Well, he's got 6 years to live this down, eh, GWPDA? So even if he does irritate the base it isn't like it's a problem for him. (Not that I'm saying you're wrong -- you are absolutely right) And he had a 72% victory or so, didn't he? He has capital to burn.
With that in mind, he's not risking all that much to prove he's not a puppet.
Don't know that this means anything, but it's my first reaction...
Well, he's got 6 years to live this down, eh, GWPDA? So even if he does irritate the base it isn't like it's a problem for him. (Not that I'm saying you're wrong -- you are absolutely right) And he had a 72% victory or so, didn't he? He has capital to burn.
With that in mind, he's not risking all that much to prove he's not a puppet.
Don't know that this means anything, but it's my first reaction...
Ted Stevens is losing his mind. Kick ass.
Diodotus
I was seriously hoping to see the first live telecast of a major cardiac event on CSPAN, but no such luck. Now I'm just being mean.
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Ted Stevens is losing his mind. Kick ass.
Diodotus
I was seriously hoping to see the first live telecast of a major cardiac event on CSPAN, but no such luck. Now I'm just being mean.
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Byrd.
My God.
I'm crying.
Me too, and not just from the vest.
Byrd.
My God.
I'm crying.
Me too, and not just from the vest.
those electronic lenses!!
oh wow.
those electronic lenses!!
oh wow.
Go Read this!
It might be the bomb we've prayed for.
Go Read this!
It might be the bomb we've prayed for.
i think primetime network tv should be forced to carry the cspan2 coverage...this is the stuff the regular people need to know is happening, and they don't because it isn't "news" and just try to explain this kind of thing to people who don't have any experience with it...
-L.
i think primetime network tv should be forced to carry the cspan2 coverage...this is the stuff the regular people need to know is happening, and they don't because it isn't "news" and just try to explain this kind of thing to people who don't have any experience with it...
-L.
Me too, and not just from the vest.
He's a classy guy.
Me too, and not just from the vest.
He's a classy guy.
here's to hoping that other dems do the same thing as byrd and take the fight to people who elected these morons
here's to hoping that other dems do the same thing as byrd and take the fight to people who elected these morons
Thank you Senator Byrd.
Thank you Senator Byrd.
Downbound, the 'base' in Arizona is on a three year transient schedule. Nobody sticks around much more than three years. McCain's base and he damn well knows it, are Old Phoenix, Old Tempe, Old Flagstaff - and that means about maybe 200,000 people. It isn't party politics here, any more than it's party politics in most of New Mexico - it's a question of power, and the accumulation of it. The accumulation of it for the -state-. McCain has, by and large, since Keating, paid back to the state. That's the base. It's Kyl who's playing party politics and it's Kyl who will do anything for himself. McCain isn't perfect - he isn't even an Arizonan - but mostly his payback to the state is judged acceptable. That's the way politics are here, and that's the way he's gotten re-elected.
Ted Kennedy has much the same situation.
Downbound, the 'base' in Arizona is on a three year transient schedule. Nobody sticks around much more than three years. McCain's base and he damn well knows it, are Old Phoenix, Old Tempe, Old Flagstaff - and that means about maybe 200,000 people. It isn't party politics here, any more than it's party politics in most of New Mexico - it's a question of power, and the accumulation of it. The accumulation of it for the -state-. McCain has, by and large, since Keating, paid back to the state. That's the base. It's Kyl who's playing party politics and it's Kyl who will do anything for himself. McCain isn't perfect - he isn't even an Arizonan - but mostly his payback to the state is judged acceptable. That's the way politics are here, and that's the way he's gotten re-elected.
Ted Kennedy has much the same situation.
Hey, Ted. Kick some more ass.
Hey, Ted. Kick some more ass.
Speak it Teddy!
Speak it Teddy!
Frankly I find much of powerade's drivel bracing and truthful.
Where WERE the dems during Monica? Where is our Karl Rove? We could have cast blowjobgate as the utter bullshit it was with a few kickass voices. Kerry could have cast Chimpy as the AWOL coward 9/11 Iraq fuckup he is. Why didn't he and why don't they?
Frankly I find much of powerade's drivel bracing and truthful.
Where WERE the dems during Monica? Where is our Karl Rove? We could have cast blowjobgate as the utter bullshit it was with a few kickass voices. Kerry could have cast Chimpy as the AWOL coward 9/11 Iraq fuckup he is. Why didn't he and why don't they?
Would somebody summarize the debate on that vote.
Even the article in the Guaridan doesn't tell you much.
Would somebody summarize the debate on that vote.
Even the article in the Guaridan doesn't tell you much.
If Bush tripped down the WH stairs and broke his neck (praise Jesus), McCain would not be entirely horrified.
I'll throw a fuckiing party if that happens.
I want to know who put this language in and what was their rationale?
Oh, and powerade? what have YOUR done personally to fight the rise of radicalism and facism in this country?
Besides being a prick, which doesn't count.
If Bush tripped down the WH stairs and broke his neck (praise Jesus), McCain would not be entirely horrified.
I'll throw a fuckiing party if that happens.
I want to know who put this language in and what was their rationale?
Oh, and powerade? what have YOUR done personally to fight the rise of radicalism and facism in this country?
Besides being a prick, which doesn't count.
Spy agency reform appears dead.
Spy agency reform appears dead.
Paul
I understand what you are saying in indicating McCain is a hero. He was.
My jest is an indication of severe disappointment in the man. People can do many good acts in their life, but a single stroke in the other direction can wipe that "capital" away. And trust me, I would not trash a military man if I felt inside myself there was a way to explain away his actions and find an honorable reason.
But simply being a war hero is not a free pass on everything else they do in life. In one respect, they must honor themselves first, they have the responsibility to living up to their legend. McCain is becoming a very sad example of someone who is not. I certainly cannot understand it considering the gross tactics used against him in the past. How could he ever roll over to them considering the incredible valor he showed as a POW, the torment they gave him and the disabilities they left him with. Standing up to his party should be a light summer's breeze.
Paul
I understand what you are saying in indicating McCain is a hero. He was.
My jest is an indication of severe disappointment in the man. People can do many good acts in their life, but a single stroke in the other direction can wipe that "capital" away. And trust me, I would not trash a military man if I felt inside myself there was a way to explain away his actions and find an honorable reason.
But simply being a war hero is not a free pass on everything else they do in life. In one respect, they must honor themselves first, they have the responsibility to living up to their legend. McCain is becoming a very sad example of someone who is not. I certainly cannot understand it considering the gross tactics used against him in the past. How could he ever roll over to them considering the incredible valor he showed as a POW, the torment they gave him and the disabilities they left him with. Standing up to his party should be a light summer's breeze.
Facts, today on my own tv, show McCain not being 'hired help.'
Syntallic, you talk big, but what have YOU done for this situation?
Everybody knows I'm pounding the streets every three days, for three years, protesting and pushing impeachment.
What the fuck do YOU do, other than trash people who made more sacrifice for their country than you probably EVER have.
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Facts, today on my own tv, show McCain not being 'hired help.'
Syntallic, y