I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Little bastard.
Little bastard.
There needs to be a huge stink about this. He's not freaking royalty, no matter what he thinks.
There needs to be a huge stink about this. He's not freaking royalty, no matter what he thinks.
Senate approves Presidential yacht.
Congress cuts college loans to low-income students.
House Republicans block 9-11 intelligence reform.
Welcome to your leadership, America, 51 percent of whom can go fuck themselves.
Senate approves Presidential yacht.
Congress cuts college loans to low-income students.
House Republicans block 9-11 intelligence reform.
Welcome to your leadership, America, 51 percent of whom can go fuck themselves.
Kill me now.
Kill me now.
yes, $2 million but it was the yacht that has been used by Presidents since what, Roosevelt? It's an historical presidential item that was sold to private owners a while back that is now being sought as part of the collection again. Is it worth it? Probably not but it's not something to raise a stink about like, ohhh, I dunno, REPUGS SHOOTING DOWN INTELLIGENCE REFORM! OR TAX RECORD SNOOPING (mentioned earlier)
yes, $2 million but it was the yacht that has been used by Presidents since what, Roosevelt? It's an historical presidential item that was sold to private owners a while back that is now being sought as part of the collection again. Is it worth it? Probably not but it's not something to raise a stink about like, ohhh, I dunno, REPUGS SHOOTING DOWN INTELLIGENCE REFORM! OR TAX RECORD SNOOPING (mentioned earlier)
My name is George W Bush.
I own a mansion und a yacht.
My name is George W Bush.
I own a mansion und a yacht.
They should just give Bush Sadam's yacht, then the circle will be complete.
They should just give Bush Sadam's yacht, then the circle will be complete.
Hey! In a few years, that yacht will be MINE!
Don't screw with it...
(Really, I thought Carter's decision to get rid of Sequoia was a bad decision...)
Hey! In a few years, that yacht will be MINE!
Don't screw with it...
(Really, I thought Carter's decision to get rid of Sequoia was a bad decision...)
The USS Sequoia?
(Link)
Or a new one?
The USS Sequoia?
(Link)
Or a new one?
The country is broke and the Emperor wants a yacht?
Oh, LOL. - this is agreat way to get Repugs thrown out of office in '06.
Really.
The country is broke and the Emperor wants a yacht?
Oh, LOL. - this is agreat way to get Repugs thrown out of office in '06.
Really.
Jack,
You aren't getting it. The republicans got where they got by using small things to represent big things. Not by pointing out actual policy differences, and not by making serious claims on policy issues. They used clinton's blow job to indict all the democrats. We should use bush's yacht and the sneak IRS info to tar all the republicans with the accusation that they sought power for its own sake, and that they are abusing power because they think bush is royalty and the rest of us are peasants. That will play well with bush's own base and the eternally suspicious libertarians.
aimai
Jack,
You aren't getting it. The republicans got where they got by using small things to represent big things. Not by pointing out actual policy differences, and not by making serious claims on policy issues. They used clinton's blow job to indict all the democrats. We should use bush's yacht and the sneak IRS info to tar all the republicans with the accusation that they sought power for its own sake, and that they are abusing power because they think bush is royalty and the rest of us are peasants. That will play well with bush's own base and the eternally suspicious libertarians.
aimai
Perfect:
Now the question is WHO put the yacht money in the bill. I suppose we will hear it too was a mistake, as if a congressmen would put something SO embarrassing to the president into a bill.
AND:
Don't forget the provision to allow certain senators or the agents to examine anybody's tax return for any reason. First they lied about it as if was the action of "staffers." It was that guy fron Oklahoma Ishtook.
Perfect:
Now the question is WHO put the yacht money in the bill. I suppose we will hear it too was a mistake, as if a congressmen would put something SO embarrassing to the president into a bill.
AND:
Don't forget the provision to allow certain senators or the agents to examine anybody's tax return for any reason. First they lied about it as if was the action of "staffers." It was that guy fron Oklahoma Ishtook.
Tena, you got some psychadelic tea for Sunday morning? Cuz I really doubt that the average Murkin sheeple will ever even notice a new yacht plying the Potomac for the delectation of favored oligarchs...or ever complain if they did notice...
BTW: Today is Voltaire's birthday. Bon Soir!!!
Tena, you got some psychadelic tea for Sunday morning? Cuz I really doubt that the average Murkin sheeple will ever even notice a new yacht plying the Potomac for the delectation of favored oligarchs...or ever complain if they did notice...
BTW: Today is Voltaire's birthday. Bon Soir!!!
I saw something on this yesterday, it seems to be for repurchasing the Sequoia, but the current owners said it wasn't for sale. WTF does any president need a freaking yacht for?
Of course the formula for Pell Grants was changed. We can't have all those poor kids going to college when we have more wars to fight. /snark
More tax cuts, more tax cuts! Bastards.
I saw something on this yesterday, it seems to be for repurchasing the Sequoia, but the current owners said it wasn't for sale. WTF does any president need a freaking yacht for?
Of course the formula for Pell Grants was changed. We can't have all those poor kids going to college when we have more wars to fight. /snark
More tax cuts, more tax cuts! Bastards.
Tom Daschle: I not sure we should politicize the purchase of sea going vehicles for the presidents personal use. We must not been seen as obstructionist.
Tom Daschle: I not sure we should politicize the purchase of sea going vehicles for the presidents personal use. We must not been seen as obstructionist.
I'd say that I hope it sinks w/ Lame Duckie on it, but I live in the same watershed as the Potomac and the Chesepeake, so I guess I can't wish that. It would pollute the water way too badly.
I'd say that I hope it sinks w/ Lame Duckie on it, but I live in the same watershed as the Potomac and the Chesepeake, so I guess I can't wish that. It would pollute the water way too badly.
I like to know who are the DemoRATS who voted for this bill.
I like to know who are the DemoRATS who voted for this bill.
Don't blame me - blame Moron America!
Don't blame me - blame Moron America!
Istook's a fascist pig, a big, deep-voiced, beady-eyed fascist who is wholly in the thrall of the extreme Right in all its many manifestations...Occupies one of the safest seats in Congress, mainly comprised of NW OKC, a fascist enclave which i would nuke, if i had a chance...
Istook's a fascist pig, a big, deep-voiced, beady-eyed fascist who is wholly in the thrall of the extreme Right in all its many manifestations...Occupies one of the safest seats in Congress, mainly comprised of NW OKC, a fascist enclave which i would nuke, if i had a chance...
George and Condi need a weekend getaway, and a boat is perfect. Condi can work on her tan and Georgie can catch fish and torture them.
When the country finally gets tired of them, the Navy can use it for target practice on weekends.
It's a win-win thing.
George and Condi need a weekend getaway, and a boat is perfect. Condi can work on her tan and Georgie can catch fish and torture them.
When the country finally gets tired of them, the Navy can use it for target practice on weekends.
It's a win-win thing.
The Senate voted 65-30 for the legislation late on Saturday that sets aside funds for a range of priorities including a presidential yacht, foreign aid and energy. It is one of the final pieces of work for the 108th Congress and they may return to finish a spy agency overhaul before the end of the year.
i just caught a green anole. they can turn brown you know.
The Senate voted 65-30 for the legislation late on Saturday that sets aside funds for a range of priorities including a presidential yacht, foreign aid and energy. It is one of the final pieces of work for the 108th Congress and they may return to finish a spy agency overhaul before the end of the year.
i just caught a green anole. they can turn brown you know.
Don't let the Chimp near the steering wheel.
Tie his scrawny ass under the keel.
Put the yacht at full speed.
A mouthful of seaweed
Might enlighten this fucking schlemiel.
Don't let the Chimp near the steering wheel.
Tie his scrawny ass under the keel.
Put the yacht at full speed.
A mouthful of seaweed
Might enlighten this fucking schlemiel.
Saw my first "Don't Blame Me; I Voted for Kerry" bumper sticker on the way into work this morning.
Saw my first "Don't Blame Me; I Voted for Kerry" bumper sticker on the way into work this morning.
Lime Rickey, you're wonderful!
Lime Rickey, you're wonderful!
Is this something George can play with in the bathtub? Will his little toy GI Joes fit on board?
Is this something George can play with in the bathtub? Will his little toy GI Joes fit on board?
Ah, the SS Mandate about to take its maiden voyage. Here's hoping it enjoys the same success that the Minnow or Titanic had...
Ah, the SS Mandate about to take its maiden voyage. Here's hoping it enjoys the same success that the Minnow or Titanic had...
And he'll call it...
The "USS Responsibility"
And he'll call it...
The "USS Responsibility"
What are they going to call it?
The USS Let Them Eat Cake?
What are they going to call it?
The USS Let Them Eat Cake?
Saw my first "Don't Blame Me; I Voted for Kerry" bumper sticker on the way into work this morning.
What you really need is one of these.
Or...
Saw my first "Don't Blame Me; I Voted for Kerry" bumper sticker on the way into work this morning.
What you really need is one of these.
Or...
Checking around the major newspapers this morning, they are keeping that little fascist IRS ploy under the radar, just casually mentioning the little brouhaha ten-fifteen paragraphs down into the story. Kind of like they treated the Abu Ghraib story in the beginning.
I'm not getting any more hopeful......
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Checking around the major newspapers this morning, they are keeping that little fascist IRS ploy under the radar, just casually mentioning the little brouhaha ten-fifteen paragraphs down into the story. Kind of like they treated the Abu Ghraib story in the beginning.
I'm not getting any more hopeful......
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Well, konopelli - no, I'm not sipping psychedelic tea this morning.
I guess we'll see. I've noticed, however, that when it comes to money issues, the media will sometimes be more inclined to get involved than in some other kinds of issues.
So I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if the yacht didn't get mentioned, since it's mentioned in the story Atrios linked to.
Well, konopelli - no, I'm not sipping psychedelic tea this morning.
I guess we'll see. I've noticed, however, that when it comes to money issues, the media will sometimes be more inclined to get involved than in some other kinds of issues.
So I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if the yacht didn't get mentioned, since it's mentioned in the story Atrios linked to.
Does Bush really need another place to vacation?
Will we be increasing the time on vacation from 42% to 50%?
Christ, why doesn't he do us all a favor and go on vacation 100% of the time/
Does Bush really need another place to vacation?
Will we be increasing the time on vacation from 42% to 50%?
Christ, why doesn't he do us all a favor and go on vacation 100% of the time/
genoasail - I'm with you. More vacation time for Chimpy. The less he's around now the better.
genoasail - I'm with you. More vacation time for Chimpy. The less he's around now the better.
Of course. What self-respecting Empire doesn't have the Imperial Yacht? But it wont matter to the whackjob bible-banging fundies who helped put the creep in there. As long as he bashes gays, God sits on his throne in Heaven; Jesus is on his right and Dubya on his left.
Of course. What self-respecting Empire doesn't have the Imperial Yacht? But it wont matter to the whackjob bible-banging fundies who helped put the creep in there. As long as he bashes gays, God sits on his throne in Heaven; Jesus is on his right and Dubya on his left.
This calls for a Name the Prezinedential Yacht Contest!
This calls for a Name the Prezinedential Yacht Contest!
Yeah, this is an outrage to those of us who actually THINK but you just know your average Moron-American won't have any problem with it. Talk to any of them and they probably slobber and drool all over themselves 'splaining that He's a good Christyun, hard-workin' preznit who deserves some recreation. Money for healthcare - Nah! Can't have that; Money so people can go to college - Nah! Can't have that! Money so that the troops will have all the equipment they need - Nah! Can't have that. But money to buy the Boy King a new toy - Sure! No problem!. I'm quite fond of saying how the majority of Americans are fucking retarded. Well, this latest atrocity is proof. Buy the way, isn't owning a yacht kind of like, you know, a Northeast Liberal, elitist sort of thing? Just asking.
Yeah, this is an outrage to those of us who actually THINK but you just know your average Moron-American won't have any problem with it. Talk to any of them and they probably slobber and drool all over themselves 'splaining that He's a good Christyun, hard-workin' preznit who deserves some recreation. Money for healthcare - Nah! Can't have that; Money so people can go to college - Nah! Can't have that! Money so that the troops will have all the equipment they need - Nah! Can't have that. But money to buy the Boy King a new toy - Sure! No problem!. I'm quite fond of saying how the majority of Americans are fucking retarded. Well, this latest atrocity is proof. Buy the way, isn't owning a yacht kind of like, you know, a Northeast Liberal, elitist sort of thing? Just asking.
Maybe when the Dems release a statement to this press it can include the sentiment that ideologically the Presidential yacht has been "privatised" and that to change that would not only be a "flip-flop" but show those in favor of this to be "RINO"s. 
Maybe when the Dems release a statement to this press it can include the sentiment that ideologically the Presidential yacht has been "privatised" and that to change that would not only be a "flip-flop" but show those in favor of this to be "RINO"s.
I have a feeling it will cause no outrage in the "Red States" if Chimpy calls it...
"The S.S. #3"
You NASCAR people know of what I speak.
I have a feeling it will cause no outrage in the "Red States" if Chimpy calls it...
"The S.S. #3"
You NASCAR people know of what I speak.
The yatch thing would make a great letter to the editor of your local paper. Keep it short and reasonable.
If the only time you lift a finger is to type a comment on a blog about the dems doing nothing, you are part of the problem. Contact your local paper and let them know what you think.
The yatch thing would make a great letter to the editor of your local paper. Keep it short and reasonable.
If the only time you lift a finger is to type a comment on a blog about the dems doing nothing, you are part of the problem. Contact your local paper and let them know what you think.
Oh, that should read "by the way". Goddamn, more caffeine please!
Oh, that should read "by the way". Goddamn, more caffeine please!
Does anyone know who this new nutjob is (Kathleen Parker) that Chris Matthews had on his panel this morning? I guess she writes for the Orlando Sentinel.
I think the last thing I needed this morning was to watch David Brooks and Andrea Mitchell talk about Sex. Actually, now that I think about it...she didn't say anything. Hmmmm....
Does anyone know who this new nutjob is (Kathleen Parker) that Chris Matthews had on his panel this morning? I guess she writes for the Orlando Sentinel.
I think the last thing I needed this morning was to watch David Brooks and Andrea Mitchell talk about Sex. Actually, now that I think about it...she didn't say anything. Hmmmm....
You know, the Queen decommissioned her royal yacht some years back.... I just don't feel as though the United States actually -needs- one, if the Queen doesn't. On the other hand, I think she still has her own railroad car.
You know, the Queen decommissioned her royal yacht some years back.... I just don't feel as though the United States actually -needs- one, if the Queen doesn't. On the other hand, I think she still has her own railroad car.
On Press The Meat, future yacht guests McCain and Russert look like a pair of chipmunks that have gorged their cheeks in preparation for winter.
On Press The Meat, future yacht guests McCain and Russert look like a pair of chipmunks that have gorged their cheeks in preparation for winter.
Andrea Mitchell talk about Sex. Actually, now that I think about it...she didn't say anything. Hmmmm....
Her marriage lacks adequate "stimulus"
Andrea Mitchell talk about Sex. Actually, now that I think about it...she didn't say anything. Hmmmm....
Her marriage lacks adequate "stimulus"
Which Democrats soiled the party by voting for this? How can the Dems complain when some of them voted for it? They envision they will be yachting on it themselves one day I'm sure. I think Carter sold it as part of a budget austerity program. The GOP, party of fiscal responsibility?
Which Democrats soiled the party by voting for this? How can the Dems complain when some of them voted for it? They envision they will be yachting on it themselves one day I'm sure. I think Carter sold it as part of a budget austerity program. The GOP, party of fiscal responsibility?
folks, don't wait til monday to start yelling about this and the IRS stunt.
go to congress.org and start emailing NOW.
folks, don't wait til monday to start yelling about this and the IRS stunt.
go to congress.org and start emailing NOW.
this is all deeply disgusting, but one thing has changed - I would never have known about the yacht, much less the IRS and abortion provisions, had it not been for the existence of this blog and others like it.
Now, I have this information less than 12 hours after the bill was passed and I'm going to write my senators - CLINTON AND SCHUMER - and ask why they voted for this abomination.
No, I'm going to ask Hillary why I shouldn't want Rick Lazio in office instead - a real Republican might be able to get something for NY.
Okay, this is war. Let's not give these Dems a moment's peace.
this is all deeply disgusting, but one thing has changed - I would never have known about the yacht, much less the IRS and abortion provisions, had it not been for the existence of this blog and others like it.
Now, I have this information less than 12 hours after the bill was passed and I'm going to write my senators - CLINTON AND SCHUMER - and ask why they voted for this abomination.
No, I'm going to ask Hillary why I shouldn't want Rick Lazio in office instead - a real Republican might be able to get something for NY.
Okay, this is war. Let's not give these Dems a moment's peace.
God himself ordained that George W. Bush should have a yacht.
Jesus hinted at it in the Sermon on the Mount, when he said the meek shall inherit the earth. What he meant, of course, was that they should know their place and stand on the shore looking with adoration at rich people on their yachts.
It couldn't be clearer. I mean, it's the word of God and everything. St. George will be doing the Lord's work every time he sails forth upon the Yacht of Righteousness.
God himself ordained that George W. Bush should have a yacht.
Jesus hinted at it in the Sermon on the Mount, when he said the meek shall inherit the earth. What he meant, of course, was that they should know their place and stand on the shore looking with adoration at rich people on their yachts.
It couldn't be clearer. I mean, it's the word of God and everything. St. George will be doing the Lord's work every time he sails forth upon the Yacht of Righteousness.
Which amendment do you think Rethugs will try and push first?
The 22nd Amendment, limiting presidents to two terms or an amendment to allow foreign born citizens to run for president....paging Ahhnold.
Which amendment do you think Rethugs will try and push first?
The 22nd Amendment, limiting presidents to two terms or an amendment to allow foreign born citizens to run for president....paging Ahhnold.
But he needs the yacht! The mansion in Texas was getting so boring.
Not to mention, the cost savings to the U.S. Now, he can sail out and pick up his own cocaine shipments.
But he needs the yacht! The mansion in Texas was getting so boring.
Not to mention, the cost savings to the U.S. Now, he can sail out and pick up his own cocaine shipments.
It isn't the yacht. It is the privacy of income tax returns and the anti-choice provisions that are falling by the wayside, and the fact that we don't know what else is in there.
Fuck the yacht.
It isn't the yacht. It is the privacy of income tax returns and the anti-choice provisions that are falling by the wayside, and the fact that we don't know what else is in there.
Fuck the yacht.
I'd bet the purpose of the yacht isn't so much for bush as it is for his political donors. Sort of a Lincoln bedroom on the sea.
I'd bet the purpose of the yacht isn't so much for bush as it is for his political donors. Sort of a Lincoln bedroom on the sea.
It isn't the yacht. It is the privacy of income tax returns and the anti-choice provisions that are falling by the wayside, and the fact that we don't know what else is in there.
Fuck the yacht.
No, it is both.
The IRS clause which reflects the abuse of the citizens,
It's the Yacht that reflects frivolous abuse.
The first should cause more outrage, the second will actually cause more. They are part of the same wretched pattern of abuse.
It isn't the yacht. It is the privacy of income tax returns and the anti-choice provisions that are falling by the wayside, and the fact that we don't know what else is in there.
Fuck the yacht.
No, it is both.
The IRS clause which reflects the abuse of the citizens,
It's the Yacht that reflects frivolous abuse.
The first should cause more outrage, the second will actually cause more. They are part of the same wretched pattern of abuse.
Atrios,
The dems are not confrontational. They wont say anything about it. If this had beec Clinton, they would all be the talk shows. Dems dont do confrontation-they would rather get along. BTW, Frist is getting grilled now on FTN.
Atrios,
The dems are not confrontational. They wont say anything about it. If this had beec Clinton, they would all be the talk shows. Dems dont do confrontation-they would rather get along. BTW, Frist is getting grilled now on FTN.
They're fools
They're fools
Phredd,
Yeah, in the grand scheme of things the yacht is unimportant. But I believe Atrios' point is that this is the kind of simple story the press can actually understand and run with. It reeks of elitism and Bush just ran as Mr. Nascar. We're borrowing $$ from the Chinese and the dollar is tanking. Average Americans are seeing the interest rates on their credit cards go up and can hardly manage to fill their gas tanks. This is not an auspicious time to be buying the president a yacht. Using this story is good politics. Can you imagine what the Republicans would have done if Clinton had gotten a presidential yacht? Well, that's what we should be doing to Bush. Because it works.
Phredd,
Yeah, in the grand scheme of things the yacht is unimportant. But I believe Atrios' point is that this is the kind of simple story the press can actually understand and run with. It reeks of elitism and Bush just ran as Mr. Nascar. We're borrowing $$ from the Chinese and the dollar is tanking. Average Americans are seeing the interest rates on their credit cards go up and can hardly manage to fill their gas tanks. This is not an auspicious time to be buying the president a yacht. Using this story is good politics. Can you imagine what the Republicans would have done if Clinton had gotten a presidential yacht? Well, that's what we should be doing to Bush. Because it works.
Rockefeller voted nay, and I think Hagel did too, on the repubs rotten omnibus train wreck bill. Both are on This Week with stphenoopoliisisis. let's see what george let's them talk about.
Rockefeller voted nay, and I think Hagel did too, on the repubs rotten omnibus train wreck bill. Both are on This Week with stphenoopoliisisis. let's see what george let's them talk about.
As we can expect, the Intelligence bill block, the IRS provision, and the frat-boy's new yacht will be Topics #1, 2 & 3 on all the Sunday talk shows. No doubt at all. Thank the lord we have freedom of speech and the press and such valiant, courageous journalists and broadcasters. Yup.
Oh wait. First we have to have a Victory in Fallujah party and then talk about basketball brawls. But then we'll hear all about this stuff. Right?
As we can expect, the Intelligence bill block, the IRS provision, and the frat-boy's new yacht will be Topics #1, 2 & 3 on all the Sunday talk shows. No doubt at all. Thank the lord we have freedom of speech and the press and such valiant, courageous journalists and broadcasters. Yup.
Oh wait. First we have to have a Victory in Fallujah party and then talk about basketball brawls. But then we'll hear all about this stuff. Right?
The one good thing about dems being out of control is that Frist is getting grilled and cant blame the dems.
The one good thing about dems being out of control is that Frist is getting grilled and cant blame the dems.
Live Free or Die,
You would just be ignorant, but since you are shooting your mouth off you are a moron.
Live Free or Die,
You would just be ignorant, but since you are shooting your mouth off you are a moron.
Speaking of IRS privacy, I believe yahoo knows the home phone number of Honorable Ernrest J. Istook, of Warr Acres, OK. Would anyone like call and find out? Click the homepage.
Speaking of IRS privacy, I believe yahoo knows the home phone number of Honorable Ernrest J. Istook, of Warr Acres, OK. Would anyone like call and find out? Click the homepage.
He just wants to play the Captain Ahab- sailorboy, the sequel to Commander Codpiece- flyboy. I think he will rename it Mishun Akomplisht II, or Dubya's Big Dick
Anyway I am entirely disgusted and depressed after reading online this morning about all the effing bs from these effing rethugs with the appoval of lemme bendover for you dems. Four more years of this bs....yearrgh!
Women's reproductive rights...slowly eroding with this bill.
Overtime protection...eliminated by this bill.
Pell Grants...decreased funding
Oh but the Amukican media is the biggest fool of them all,as they tell us daily on cable/tv we are just mopping up in Eye-Rack and elections going to be held January 30th, 2005. . .And Tom Delay, he's a good guy just being attacked by a partisan hack DA. Questionable discrepancy between election polls and exit polls...oh those elite academic types are just obsessed with this as are those conspiracy theorists rampant on those liberal blogs.
I feel completely, utterly powerless today. Sorry for the continued cynicism and for being such a downer.
He just wants to play the Captain Ahab- sailorboy, the sequel to Commander Codpiece- flyboy. I think he will rename it Mishun Akomplisht II, or Dubya's Big Dick
Anyway I am entirely disgusted and depressed after reading online this morning about all the effing bs from these effing rethugs with the appoval of lemme bendover for you dems. Four more years of this bs....yearrgh!
Women's reproductive rights...slowly eroding with this bill.
Overtime protection...eliminated by this bill.
Pell Grants...decreased funding
Oh but the Amukican media is the biggest fool of them all,as they tell us daily on cable/tv we are just mopping up in Eye-Rack and elections going to be held January 30th, 2005. . .And Tom Delay, he's a good guy just being attacked by a partisan hack DA. Questionable discrepancy between election polls and exit polls...oh those elite academic types are just obsessed with this as are those conspiracy theorists rampant on those liberal blogs.
I feel completely, utterly powerless today. Sorry for the continued cynicism and for being such a downer.
Has little timmah russert found his canine's? Actually going after that piller of decency Doctor Frist?
Has little timmah russert found his canine's? Actually going after that piller of decency Doctor Frist?
Nuke Istook's district??
Please give me 30 minutes notice, so I can GET THE HELL OUT!
Nuke Istook's district??
Please give me 30 minutes notice, so I can GET THE HELL OUT!
How can I find out how my Senators voted on this monstrosity? Links?
How can I find out how my Senators voted on this monstrosity? Links?
Attaturk,
I don't disagree. I longingly pine for the good ole days when Nixon abused his power by snooping into his enemies' tax returns and the press went apoplectic.
That revelation helped bring old trickie dickie daaoooowwwwwwn.
Nowadays they can't even get it up for systematically sodomizing children at Abu Graib. I guess Stevens will have to rifle through Arthur Sulzberger's tax records before we see a rise.
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Attaturk,
I don't disagree. I longingly pine for the good ole days when Nixon abused his power by snooping into his enemies' tax returns and the press went apoplectic.
That revelation helped bring old trickie dickie daaoooowwwwwwn.
Nowadays they can't even get it up for systematically sodomizing children at Abu Graib. I guess Stevens will have to rifle through Arthur Sulzberger's tax records before we see a rise.
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Harry Reid dreaming:
http://tinyurl.com/68hv8
(Doesn't deserve a clickable lynk)
Harry Reid dreaming:
http://tinyurl.com/68hv8
(Doesn't deserve a clickable lynk)
The repubs pick on small things and blow them out of proportion. The yacht can be just the thing for the dems. Ordinary people will wonder why man of the people George needs a yacht.
Why did dems vote for the bill? They have to if they have any political aspirations - it probably also includes funding for some programs that they will be ripped apart for if they don't vote for it.
Just publicize this thing and every other outrage, big and small, that the Bush administration comes up with. Moveon.org or other political groups should be starting a four year campaign NOW.
The repubs pick on small things and blow them out of proportion. The yacht can be just the thing for the dems. Ordinary people will wonder why man of the people George needs a yacht.
Why did dems vote for the bill? They have to if they have any political aspirations - it probably also includes funding for some programs that they will be ripped apart for if they don't vote for it.
Just publicize this thing and every other outrage, big and small, that the Bush administration comes up with. Moveon.org or other political groups should be starting a four year campaign NOW.
"The 22nd Amendment, limiting presidents to two terms or an amendment to allow foreign born citizens to run for president....paging Ahhnold."
If they repeal the 22nd, Bill Clinton can run again.
And if they allow foreign-born citizens to run, how does "President Teresa Heinz-Kerry" sound?
"The 22nd Amendment, limiting presidents to two terms or an amendment to allow foreign born citizens to run for president....paging Ahhnold."
If they repeal the 22nd, Bill Clinton can run again.
And if they allow foreign-born citizens to run, how does "President Teresa Heinz-Kerry" sound?
Hecate:
Yes, the yacht story will play for awhile. But this kind of thing is forgivable to the bushies and will be forgotten. By Wednesday.
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Hecate:
Yes, the yacht story will play for awhile. But this kind of thing is forgivable to the bushies and will be forgotten. By Wednesday.
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The Left should be boycotting all TV news.
The Left should be boycotting all TV news.
If they repeal the 22nd, Bill Clinton can run again.
Again, if we don't do something serious about election integrity, we won't be winning many more elections.
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If they repeal the 22nd, Bill Clinton can run again.
Again, if we don't do something serious about election integrity, we won't be winning many more elections.
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"Andrea Mitchell talk about Sex. Actually, now that I think about it...she didn't say anything. Hmmmm...."
-Attaturk
Maybe she just needs to start mainlining erototoxins.
"Andrea Mitchell talk about Sex. Actually, now that I think about it...she didn't say anything. Hmmmm...."
-Attaturk
Maybe she just needs to start mainlining erototoxins.
OT, but didn't I see this headline on CNN - Troops mop up Falluja insurgency - last week?
Can I expect to see it again next week? And the week after that? And the week after...
OT, but didn't I see this headline on CNN - Troops mop up Falluja insurgency - last week?
Can I expect to see it again next week? And the week after that? And the week after...
"it seems to be for repurchasing the Sequoia, but the current owners said it wasn't for sale."
I'm sure there is something the repukelicans can find in the owner's tax returns to make them change their mind.
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"it seems to be for repurchasing the Sequoia, but the current owners said it wasn't for sale."
I'm sure there is something the repukelicans can find in the owner's tax returns to make them change their mind.
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I guess I feel differently about the SS Sequoia. I'd rather see it as a piece of history owned and maintained by the Smithsonian than a Disney ride for rich people, which is what it has been . . .
I guess I feel differently about the SS Sequoia. I'd rather see it as a piece of history owned and maintained by the Smithsonian than a Disney ride for rich people, which is what it has been . . .
Don't forget the pigshit research. (No lie.)
Don't forget the pigshit research. (No lie.)
You will here nothing of this story on TV news. Until we have a news network, we have shit.
It's the media stupid
You will here nothing of this story on TV news. Until we have a news network, we have shit.
It's the media stupid
How can I find out how my Senators voted on this monstrosity? Links?
I see someone posted the roll call for that vote, for others Congress.org has a nice page to search on one's specific reps or a specific committee for their votes on different legislation.
How can I find out how my Senators voted on this monstrosity? Links?
I see someone posted the roll call for that vote, for others Congress.org has a nice page to search on one's specific reps or a specific committee for their votes on different legislation.
This is the final upshot of all that ruckus in the senate last night.
Tax thing was taken out, abortion language stayed, but Frist promised to bring later Boxer's bill to take it out and the appropriations bill passed.
Wapo this morning:
Congress reached final agreement last night on a $388 billion spending bill funding 13 government departments and dozens of domestic agencies in 2005, after last-minute objections from abortion rights advocates threatened to delay or derail the entire measure.
House passage came on a vote of 344 to 51. Later in the evening, the Senate gave its approval, 65 to 30.
[snip]
The abortion language remained in the spending bill, but late yesterday, Senate opponents agreed not to block its consideration after Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) promised to schedule a vote in the near future on a bill drafted by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) to repeal the provision.
Adding to the chaotic finale of the proceedings on the giant bill was a last-minute fracas over another provision, apparently slipped into the bill at the last minute by a House staff aide, that would allow agents designated by the chairman of the House or Senate Appropriations Committee to look at tax returns.
[snip]
Under an agreement between GOP and Democratic leaders, the Senate later approved language dropping the controversial provision and delayed sending the bill to the president until the House follows suit next week. With spending authority for most federal agencies running out at midnight, Congress also approved stopgap legislation to keep the government running until the spending package becomes law.
This is the final upshot of all that ruckus in the senate last night.
Tax thing was taken out, abortion language stayed, but Frist promised to bring later Boxer's bill to take it out and the appropriations bill passed.
Wapo this morning:
Congress reached final agreement last night on a $388 billion spending bill funding 13 government departments and dozens of domestic agencies in 2005, after last-minute objections from abortion rights advocates threatened to delay or derail the entire measure.
House passage came on a vote of 344 to 51. Later in the evening, the Senate gave its approval, 65 to 30.
[snip]
The abortion language remained in the spending bill, but late yesterday, Senate opponents agreed not to block its consideration after Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) promised to schedule a vote in the near future on a bill drafted by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) to repeal the provision.
Adding to the chaotic finale of the proceedings on the giant bill was a last-minute fracas over another provision, apparently slipped into the bill at the last minute by a House staff aide, that would allow agents designated by the chairman of the House or Senate Appropriations Committee to look at tax returns.
[snip]
Under an agreement between GOP and Democratic leaders, the Senate later approved language dropping the controversial provision and delayed sending the bill to the president until the House follows suit next week. With spending authority for most federal agencies running out at midnight, Congress also approved stopgap legislation to keep the government running until the spending package becomes law.
I hereby move that, in honor of the Boy Kings pending acquisition of a seagoing vessel (at taxpayer's expense, of course), Bush should be given a new moniker which best reflects his new status as a man of the sea. Hmm, Preznit Gilligan has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
I hereby move that, in honor of the Boy Kings pending acquisition of a seagoing vessel (at taxpayer's expense, of course), Bush should be given a new moniker which best reflects his new status as a man of the sea. Hmm, Preznit Gilligan has a nice ring to it, don't you think?
Nora:
http://www3.capwiz.com/c-span/db...q?
command=month
Nora:
http://www3.capwiz.com/c-span/db...q?
command=month
I agree with cs above. I went to the website, and discovered that you can rent the Sequoia by the hour for weddings and such, in an attempt to keep the foundation that owns the vessel solvent.
I agree with cs above. I went to the website, and discovered that you can rent the Sequoia by the hour for weddings and such, in an attempt to keep the foundation that owns the vessel solvent.
Karen H, I hear (read?) and feel your anger.
Fired off a furious email to Corzine and Lautenberg just after 6PM last night. Had just heard Lautenberg deriding the IRS provision, but essentially giving up. Then later caught a bit of Stevens with the oldest line in the world: "Trust me!" He declared he would never exercise the power to snoop on IRS filings--which the law was giving him and his counterpart in the House. Never! Had he ever broken a promise? he asked.
Well???
Also, the Repubs took a small issue of floating checks at the House bank and made it the centerpiece of their attack on entrenched and misused power by the Democrats. They took down Rostenkowski and a few others and took over the House.
Most people do not follow ins and outs of law making; they don't have time or interest. They do follow the gossipy things which the SCLM loves to focus on. The Repubs fed that side and now essentially control the megaphone; the Dems, if they try now, don't even get a hearing, much less an airing of their complaints. Or, it's a one day story, which just doesn't cut it with the electorate.
So, yes, symbolism is extremely important. Yachts are highly symbolic. Use that symbol.
But, first, follow Lakoff's ideas and ID and summarize the VALUE behind our criticism, plus what we would do.
That's the hard part--finding the kernal of the values behind our ideas and policies. We usually need at least a couple paragraphs to get there!
Karen H, I hear (read?) and feel your anger.
Fired off a furious email to Corzine and Lautenberg just after 6PM last night. Had just heard Lautenberg deriding the IRS provision, but essentially giving up. Then later caught a bit of Stevens with the oldest line in the world: "Trust me!" He declared he would never exercise the power to snoop on IRS filings--which the law was giving him and his counterpart in the House. Never! Had he ever broken a promise? he asked.
Well???
Also, the Repubs took a small issue of floating checks at the House bank and made it the centerpiece of their attack on entrenched and misused power by the Democrats. They took down Rostenkowski and a few others and took over the House.
Most people do not follow ins and outs of law making; they don't have time or interest. They do follow the gossipy things which the SCLM loves to focus on. The Repubs fed that side and now essentially control the megaphone; the Dems, if they try now, don't even get a hearing, much less an airing of their complaints. Or, it's a one day story, which just doesn't cut it with the electorate.
So, yes, symbolism is extremely important. Yachts are highly symbolic. Use that symbol.
But, first, follow Lakoff's ideas and ID and summarize the VALUE behind our criticism, plus what we would do.
That's the hard part--finding the kernal of the values behind our ideas and policies. We usually need at least a couple paragraphs to get there!
"Senate Roll Call"
Lautenberg - Nay, Corzine - Nay (state went for Kerry, Democrats have the governor and control the state house)...New Jersey rocks - we ARE the real America! Tena - screw Tex-ass (except for Jerry Jeff Walker [who was orginally from New York]).
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"Senate Roll Call"
Lautenberg - Nay, Corzine - Nay (state went for Kerry, Democrats have the governor and control the state house)...New Jersey rocks - we ARE the real America! Tena - screw Tex-ass (except for Jerry Jeff Walker [who was orginally from New York]).
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Sequoia
"The Sequoia Presidential Yacht Foundation
The newly formed non-profit and tax exempt Sequoia Presidential Yacht Foundation is set up to acquire, endow, and operate Sequoia.
Charters - Sequoia is available for limited, high end charters to help off-set some, but by no means all of her costs. Elegant and intimate, she can carry up to 49 guests under Coast Guard rules. She cruises mostly on the Potomac and Chesapeake but can cruise further by special arrangement. For charter information call 202-872-8228.
Contributions - The Foundation accepts donations from the public, corporations and professional firms, philanthropic groups, associations, foundations, and others to help save the historic vessel for the American people."
It's already being preserved for history. No need to provide the boy king with a new toy.
Sequoia
"The Sequoia Presidential Yacht Foundation
The newly formed non-profit and tax exempt Sequoia Presidential Yacht Foundation is set up to acquire, endow, and operate Sequoia.
Charters - Sequoia is available for limited, high end charters to help off-set some, but by no means all of her costs. Elegant and intimate, she can carry up to 49 guests under Coast Guard rules. She cruises mostly on the Potomac and Chesapeake but can cruise further by special arrangement. For charter information call 202-872-8228.
Contributions - The Foundation accepts donations from the public, corporations and professional firms, philanthropic groups, associations, foundations, and others to help save the historic vessel for the American people."
It's already being preserved for history. No need to provide the boy king with a new toy.
jesusfuckingchrist -- on mtp, fat tim can use the time to question mccain if he'll hold hearings on the nba, but unless i missed it, failed to bring up the anti-abortion provisions, pell grants cut.
jesusfuckingchrist -- on mtp, fat tim can use the time to question mccain if he'll hold hearings on the nba, but unless i missed it, failed to bring up the anti-abortion provisions, pell grants cut.
Corzine - Nay
Clinton and Schumer - Yea
Proving once again that when you're targeted as a lib'rul, you have to go out of your way to prove you aren't, lest you wind up in a grainy photograph in someone else's attack ad.
So basically, you stroke the Power and support the status quo wherever and whenever... so that you might gain some support for your pet projects on another day.
Super.
Meanwhile, here's a senator from New Jersey who's a gadzillionaire, a progressive, and simply "bought himself a Senate seat". So what? He flies under the radar for the most part, and in terms of progressivism, he puts Clinton and Schumer to shame.
Corzine - Nay
Clinton and Schumer - Yea
Proving once again that when you're targeted as a lib'rul, you have to go out of your way to prove you aren't, lest you wind up in a grainy photograph in someone else's attack ad.
So basically, you stroke the Power and support the status quo wherever and whenever... so that you might gain some support for your pet projects on another day.
Super.
Meanwhile, here's a senator from New Jersey who's a gadzillionaire, a progressive, and simply "bought himself a Senate seat". So what? He flies under the radar for the most part, and in terms of progressivism, he puts Clinton and Schumer to shame.
zoot - Thanks for telling us who the "real America" is. I'll remember that and keep it close to my heart.
I so appreciate it - I had no idea.
zoot - Thanks for telling us who the "real America" is. I'll remember that and keep it close to my heart.
I so appreciate it - I had no idea.
Compared to a yacht, Kerry's sail-board looks like a thrifty investment.
Compared to a yacht, Kerry's sail-board looks like a thrifty investment.
Oh yeah, Bush isn't from Texas, either.
He carried Dallas County by 1 point.
75% of Texans polled want to see marijuana legalized.
I think I'd like to see Texas become part of Mexico again.
Oh yeah, Bush isn't from Texas, either.
He carried Dallas County by 1 point.
75% of Texans polled want to see marijuana legalized.
I think I'd like to see Texas become part of Mexico again.
Oh, and we have an openly lesbian Latina Democrat as our sheriff here now.
I know that's unAmerican.
I'm so sorry.
Oh, and we have an openly lesbian Latina Democrat as our sheriff here now.
I know that's unAmerican.
I'm so sorry.
I wrote my useless Republican Senators to ask how they could do this. I agree with Atios. When the Republicans give us gifts like this, and they will as they become drunk with power, we have to use them. Soldiers without the supplies they need and Bush needs a yacht?
And, Dems, don't worry that you voted for this bill, too. Someone (whose name is not Donna Brazile) come up with a two-sentence explanation of the fact that the Republicans inserted this into a large bill and that voting against the overall bill would have done harm, but that the blame goes to the Republicans who put this into the bill. We've got to start framing things not as to who voted for something but as to who inserted something into a bill.
I wrote my useless Republican Senators to ask how they could do this. I agree with Atios. When the Republicans give us gifts like this, and they will as they become drunk with power, we have to use them. Soldiers without the supplies they need and Bush needs a yacht?
And, Dems, don't worry that you voted for this bill, too. Someone (whose name is not Donna Brazile) come up with a two-sentence explanation of the fact that the Republicans inserted this into a large bill and that voting against the overall bill would have done harm, but that the blame goes to the Republicans who put this into the bill. We've got to start framing things not as to who voted for something but as to who inserted something into a bill.
Oops-looks like IRS provision may be removed. House must agree, however.
Main gripe to my senators was: where's the Democratic spine regarding the abortion funding language. That since the House would never vote to approve its removal, Boxer's agreement with Frist was essentially rolling and playing dead.
Some Dems have been saying we need throw overboard some of the items the Dem base considers sacrosanct in order to, what, woo the Religions Right?
I'm pretty depressed this morning.
Oops-looks like IRS provision may be removed. House must agree, however.
Main gripe to my senators was: where's the Democratic spine regarding the abortion funding language. That since the House would never vote to approve its removal, Boxer's agreement with Frist was essentially rolling and playing dead.
Some Dems have been saying we need throw overboard some of the items the Dem base considers sacrosanct in order to, what, woo the Religions Right?
I'm pretty depressed this morning.
Nebraska's Senators, two Nays. Is Nebraska the "real America"?
Nebraska's Senators, two Nays. Is Nebraska the "real America"?
I watched FTN until I couldn't stand it anymore. Schieffer didn't ask Frist about the anti-abortion language or Pell Grants, either.
I watched FTN until I couldn't stand it anymore. Schieffer didn't ask Frist about the anti-abortion language or Pell Grants, either.
Hecate - I agree. Votes don't tell the whole story on any legislation, since all kinds of shit is put into bills. I wish that there was some movement to stop that. I wish there was a way to force Congress to stop putting controversial legislation into bills in order to pass the provisions that otherwise wouldn't pass.
Hecate - I agree. Votes don't tell the whole story on any legislation, since all kinds of shit is put into bills. I wish that there was some movement to stop that. I wish there was a way to force Congress to stop putting controversial legislation into bills in order to pass the provisions that otherwise wouldn't pass.
That's funny, so can we now refer to him as that snotty Nantucket wine swiller?
And if not Nantucket, where? Kennebunkport? Oh, how convenient "the people's" yacht would be docked at the Bush family compound.
And are you and yours going to get to take it out for a spin, since we paid for it?
That's funny, so can we now refer to him as that snotty Nantucket wine swiller?
And if not Nantucket, where? Kennebunkport? Oh, how convenient "the people's" yacht would be docked at the Bush family compound.
And are you and yours going to get to take it out for a spin, since we paid for it?
Frist was so kind to Boxer yesterday. He agreed the senate would take up that pesky anti-abortion section of the approriations bill before April 30th. What a guy!
Excuse me while I go puke.
Tow
Frist was so kind to Boxer yesterday. He agreed the senate would take up that pesky anti-abortion section of the approriations bill before April 30th. What a guy!
Excuse me while I go puke.
Tow
NYT story on the cut of Pell Grants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/2...ion/
21pell.html
NYT story on the cut of Pell Grants.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/2...ion/
21pell.html
Does anyone know if we're talking about the Sequoia, an historic vessel, or some other pleasure boat?
Does anyone know if we're talking about the Sequoia, an historic vessel, or some other pleasure boat?
I'm sure glad Stabenow and Levin have some dignity.
I'm sure glad Stabenow and Levin have some dignity.
Tena- Ignore the idiot.
Tena- Ignore the idiot.
Pell Grants, If they'd been Chaffee Grants you'd have seen Lincoln C. leave the party.
If I had the capacity I'd track how much play this gets as opposed to how much the alleged Clinton haircut got. Especially how much play that got AFTER it was shown to be a lie.
Pell Grants, If they'd been Chaffee Grants you'd have seen Lincoln C. leave the party.
If I had the capacity I'd track how much play this gets as opposed to how much the alleged Clinton haircut got. Especially how much play that got AFTER it was shown to be a lie.
My senators are getting angry emails today.
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
I can't believe it passed. Why not let it fail, then make sure everyone knows this is purely a republican problem, since the dems were protecting every citizen's privacy?
I think if you dig a little bit deeper you will find that this yacht was a failed business venture by a republican donor who is now seeking to get a taxpayer bailout.Normally this is called corruption,today it is called patriotism.
My senators are getting angry emails today.
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
I can't believe it passed. Why not let it fail, then make sure everyone knows this is purely a republican problem, since the dems were protecting every citizen's privacy?
I think if you dig a little bit deeper you will find that this yacht was a failed business venture by a republican donor who is now seeking to get a taxpayer bailout.Normally this is called corruption,today it is called patriotism.
EPT,
The Clinton haircut is a very good comparison. When we write to the press, we should use that as an example. You spent days covering the Clinton haircut; how much coverage will you give to the fact that the Republicans inserted a provision buying Lame Duckie a yacht during a time of war when many American families are finding out just in time for the holidays that they've made the ultimate sacrifice.
EPT,
The Clinton haircut is a very good comparison. When we write to the press, we should use that as an example. You spent days covering the Clinton haircut; how much coverage will you give to the fact that the Republicans inserted a provision buying Lame Duckie a yacht during a time of war when many American families are finding out just in time for the holidays that they've made the ultimate sacrifice.
If you doubt that we are in the hands of the enemy and American democracy is now completely disfunctional, just consider that the Istook IRS crap PASSED the house and came within a hair's breadth of getting through the Senate. I am once again seriously thinking about leaving this fucking country.
If you doubt that we are in the hands of the enemy and American democracy is now completely disfunctional, just consider that the Istook IRS crap PASSED the house and came within a hair's breadth of getting through the Senate. I am once again seriously thinking about leaving this fucking country.
notch -- That's interesting and I wouldn't be surprised. Still, if it's the Sequoia, I'd like to see it part of the national historical collection. Hey, maybe we could start a campaign to push the story and force the owners to donate this important piece of American history?
notch -- That's interesting and I wouldn't be surprised. Still, if it's the Sequoia, I'd like to see it part of the national historical collection. Hey, maybe we could start a campaign to push the story and force the owners to donate this important piece of American history?
can't they just use a Bushit family boat?
can't they just use a Bushit family boat?
Thanks to everyone who sent me the info; I just wrote both my NY Senators telling them I was ashamed of them for not standing up to this ridiculous law.
I intend to be a gadfly to these people until they're all sorry to see my e-mail address showing up in their mailboxes.
Thanks to everyone who sent me the info; I just wrote both my NY Senators telling them I was ashamed of them for not standing up to this ridiculous law.
I intend to be a gadfly to these people until they're all sorry to see my e-mail address showing up in their mailboxes.
oh my, the author of imperial hubris, michael scheuer just said 'the cia carried the fbi' and named louis freeh (and others) who escaped without accountability for 9/11.
i guess the fight underway within the cia isn't enough. now the fbi and cia will go at it.
don't you all feel safer now?
oh my, the author of imperial hubris, michael scheuer just said 'the cia carried the fbi' and named louis freeh (and others) who escaped without accountability for 9/11.
i guess the fight underway within the cia isn't enough. now the fbi and cia will go at it.
don't you all feel safer now?
Only $2 million for the boat? Hell, it cost at least that much this week to send Bush & Co roundtrip to Chile to make an ass out of himself.
Just as an example, maybe a slow boat to Chile will save the taxpayers money and get Bush there AFTER his stupidity occurs; kind of a time warp thingie.
Only $2 million for the boat? Hell, it cost at least that much this week to send Bush & Co roundtrip to Chile to make an ass out of himself.
Just as an example, maybe a slow boat to Chile will save the taxpayers money and get Bush there AFTER his stupidity occurs; kind of a time warp thingie.
See how your Senator voted:
http://www.senate.gov/legislativ...on=2&
vote=00215
See how your Senator voted:
http://www.senate.gov/legislativ...on=2&
vote=00215
Hecate - You know, I agree with you about Clinton's haircut. We don't pay for the preznit's haircuts, except through paying for his salary, do we? I mean, I always thought that Clinton paid for his haircut out of his own pocket and that the only legitimate bitch about that whole thing was that it kept the airport tied up.
Of course, Rush and the rest yelled about the haircut.
Hecate - You know, I agree with you about Clinton's haircut. We don't pay for the preznit's haircuts, except through paying for his salary, do we? I mean, I always thought that Clinton paid for his haircut out of his own pocket and that the only legitimate bitch about that whole thing was that it kept the airport tied up.
Of course, Rush and the rest yelled about the haircut.
Well, if they get rid of all federal assistance for college students, then there would be no reason for anyone to sign up with the selective service, right?
Trying to look at the bright side, here...
Well, if they get rid of all federal assistance for college students, then there would be no reason for anyone to sign up with the selective service, right?
Trying to look at the bright side, here...
Silly liberals, it's not a yacht.
Since y'all just sit around and cut bait, I wouldn't expect anything else.
It's just a really niceBass Boat.
/s
Silly liberals, it's not a yacht.
Since y'all just sit around and cut bait, I wouldn't expect anything else.
It's just a really niceBass Boat.
/s
They'll get me out of this country when they dump my decomposing corpse into the ocean.
Or, when Canada legalizes "it" completely and lays off the Vancouver "green zone", whichever comes first...
They'll get me out of this country when they dump my decomposing corpse into the ocean.
Or, when Canada legalizes "it" completely and lays off the Vancouver "green zone", whichever comes first...
But it didn't tie up the airport, as reporters later found out.
But it didn't tie up the airport, as reporters later found out.
This is interesting. Jon Kyl, AZ Rethug, voted Nay. Fucking INHOFE (!!) voted Nay. Pete Sessions... Nay.
WTF, Barbara Mikulski and Patty Murray and Tom Harkin and Bill Nelson..?? Oh, I give up.
And I agree with Sheik Arbusto, above. The yacht story will likely not be a problem, because it will likely not be a story. The SCLM will dutifully do its job; did Timmy say a word about it, this morning, to the movers and/or shakers? Didn't think so.
Unless... someone who presently has some political cache makes a statement that everyone has to print or broadcast, simply by virtue of who he is.
You know. Someone like... JOHN KERRY?
But he'd better hurry. His cache is growing dimmer. Now, watch and see what he does about this, if anything.
Atrios, THIS is where you'll learn exactly how serious John Kerry is about being the thorn in the GOP's side. You don't wanna hear my prediction.
This is interesting. Jon Kyl, AZ Rethug, voted Nay. Fucking INHOFE (!!) voted Nay. Pete Sessions... Nay.
WTF, Barbara Mikulski and Patty Murray and Tom Harkin and Bill Nelson..?? Oh, I give up.
And I agree with Sheik Arbusto, above. The yacht story will likely not be a problem, because it will likely not be a story. The SCLM will dutifully do its job; did Timmy say a word about it, this morning, to the movers and/or shakers? Didn't think so.
Unless... someone who presently has some political cache makes a statement that everyone has to print or broadcast, simply by virtue of who he is.
You know. Someone like... JOHN KERRY?
But he'd better hurry. His cache is growing dimmer. Now, watch and see what he does about this, if anything.
Atrios, THIS is where you'll learn exactly how serious John Kerry is about being the thorn in the GOP's side. You don't wanna hear my prediction.
But it didn't keep the airport tied up.
That part was a lie, too. And Newsday showed it was a lie within a few weeks of the event. But the rest of the media ignored Newsday and kept on howling.
But it didn't keep the airport tied up.
That part was a lie, too. And Newsday showed it was a lie within a few weeks of the event. But the rest of the media ignored Newsday and kept on howling.
My senators are getting angry emails today.
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
There are times those two really piss me off with their pandering, especially Murray, who just handily won re-election and has no excuse for it. Why are they voting to pass shitty bills? Are they in that big of a hurry to get home?
Where is their spine and their commitment to protect the interests of their constituents, who voted overwhelmingly Democratic?
My senators are getting angry emails today.
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
There are times those two really piss me off with their pandering, especially Murray, who just handily won re-election and has no excuse for it. Why are they voting to pass shitty bills? Are they in that big of a hurry to get home?
Where is their spine and their commitment to protect the interests of their constituents, who voted overwhelmingly Democratic?
cs | Email | Homepage | 11.21.04 - 11:22 am
There was a cryptic message--'Konopelli'--over your nym last night or early this am?
whassup?
cs | Email | Homepage | 11.21.04 - 11:22 am
There was a cryptic message--'Konopelli'--over your nym last night or early this am?
whassup?
I sent off a message of disgust to my two NY senators. Really this has to stop.
I sent off a message of disgust to my two NY senators. Really this has to stop.
Very conservative Republicans voted NO on this bill.
Many Dems -- including some just reelected by wide margins -- voted YES.
I'd like to know more about the bill before rushing to conclusions about those who voted for it.
Very conservative Republicans voted NO on this bill.
Many Dems -- including some just reelected by wide margins -- voted YES.
I'd like to know more about the bill before rushing to conclusions about those who voted for it.
Atrios - sorry, I forgot that part, even though it is the most important part of that entire episode.
Atrios - sorry, I forgot that part, even though it is the most important part of that entire episode.
Sorry Koponelli -- I started to post that I agreed with your comment about Kerry bearing his war experience better than anyone in public life, then got sidetracked, and then refreshed and sent just the salutation by mistake.
Sorry Koponelli -- I started to post that I agreed with your comment about Kerry bearing his war experience better than anyone in public life, then got sidetracked, and then refreshed and sent just the salutation by mistake.
I wrote the WaPo. Who else wrote and who did you write to?
I wrote the WaPo. Who else wrote and who did you write to?
When will the Dems learn, when they roll over and go along, that's the end of the story? The bad stuff gets passed (it will anyway) but they also lose the media shitstorm, which is their one and only opportunity to get out there and point out all the bad stuff that is in the bill.
EVERY SINGLE DEM SENATOR could have voted "no", or abstained from voting, and then used the talking point about privacy of IRS records - driving the point home that a promise to take it out later isn't good enough, considering how the Republicans have abused the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.
Shit, don't ANY of these people know how this game is played? They had a golden opportunity to slam them on not only the bad stuff in THIS bill, but bad stuff they've already PASSED - and ABUSED.
If this is how they play the game, they DESERVE to lose. Which is what they'll continue to do. We need a new party.
When will the Dems learn, when they roll over and go along, that's the end of the story? The bad stuff gets passed (it will anyway) but they also lose the media shitstorm, which is their one and only opportunity to get out there and point out all the bad stuff that is in the bill.
EVERY SINGLE DEM SENATOR could have voted "no", or abstained from voting, and then used the talking point about privacy of IRS records - driving the point home that a promise to take it out later isn't good enough, considering how the Republicans have abused the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act.
Shit, don't ANY of these people know how this game is played? They had a golden opportunity to slam them on not only the bad stuff in THIS bill, but bad stuff they've already PASSED - and ABUSED.
If this is how they play the game, they DESERVE to lose. Which is what they'll continue to do. We need a new party.
it just occurred to me why the yacht story won't get covered -- fat tim, tweety and gang all expect rides up and down the potomac.
it just occurred to me why the yacht story won't get covered -- fat tim, tweety and gang all expect rides up and down the potomac.
Yes, every Democrat who voted for this outrage deserves a solid pounding for this. They should have voted no, then found themselves a way to get onto at least local TV by today. Schumer's really good at grabbing headlines on Sunday in New York; others, no doubt, do the same in their market. They ought to be on the air, ridiculing this for what it is.
Yes, every Democrat who voted for this outrage deserves a solid pounding for this. They should have voted no, then found themselves a way to get onto at least local TV by today. Schumer's really good at grabbing headlines on Sunday in New York; others, no doubt, do the same in their market. They ought to be on the air, ridiculing this for what it is.
No wonder we're losing. We can't even find out which yacht we're talking about. Is it the historic, now shitty looking Sequoia, bought for the Smithsonian or a new yacht? We can't do anything with half information like this. Bill Clinton would've know what to do.
All we're doing now is cry to the moon about something we know shit about. Oh yeah, we'll win next time with this kinda nonsense.
No wonder we're losing. We can't even find out which yacht we're talking about. Is it the historic, now shitty looking Sequoia, bought for the Smithsonian or a new yacht? We can't do anything with half information like this. Bill Clinton would've know what to do.
All we're doing now is cry to the moon about something we know shit about. Oh yeah, we'll win next time with this kinda nonsense.
Barry Champlain,
"Unless... someone who presently has some political cache makes a statement that everyone has to print or broadcast, simply by virtue of who he is."
The "liberal media" doesn't have to print or broadcast anything. If they do print or broadcast anything critical of the repubs they know they'll get hit with 10,000 angry emails and calls. If they bash a dem, liberal blogs will fill with angry comments about dems.
Why in the world would the media report honestly on what any dem does or says?
How about you, what are you doing to get the word out?
Barry Champlain,
"Unless... someone who presently has some political cache makes a statement that everyone has to print or broadcast, simply by virtue of who he is."
The "liberal media" doesn't have to print or broadcast anything. If they do print or broadcast anything critical of the repubs they know they'll get hit with 10,000 angry emails and calls. If they bash a dem, liberal blogs will fill with angry comments about dems.
Why in the world would the media report honestly on what any dem does or says?
How about you, what are you doing to get the word out?
I just figured it out. This one has to be bigger than Daddy Bush's floating phallic symbol that they're always endangering smaller boats in up here.
I just figured it out. This one has to be bigger than Daddy Bush's floating phallic symbol that they're always endangering smaller boats in up here.
WOW, just watched a ad for an upcoming program of 20/20 on ABC which was on CBS I thought about, "What really happened to Matthew Shepard." They're interviewing his murderers in prison for the "real scoop." And thus it begins and begins to roll faster against those like me...
WOW, just watched a ad for an upcoming program of 20/20 on ABC which was on CBS I thought about, "What really happened to Matthew Shepard." They're interviewing his murderers in prison for the "real scoop." And thus it begins and begins to roll faster against those like me...
Listen, folks, here's the argument for voting "aye" on the omnibus "monstrosity"---it was an up or down vote on an omnibus spending bill needed to keep government functioning. That said, after Byrd, the ranking member of the finance committee said he would not vote for it because, among tehobvious problems, it allowed the WH to have too much input into the legislative branch's role, and becuae they did not know what they were voting on---every Dem should have voted "No" and stood firm. Notable "No"s--my two senators from this rd state--Byrd and Rockefeller; Kerry, Edwards, Boxer, Fenstein, Durbin, Hagel, McCain. Biggest Yeas---Clinton and Schumer. Make Hillary expalin her yea---this should be good.
Listen, folks, here's the argument for voting "aye" on the omnibus "monstrosity"---it was an up or down vote on an omnibus spending bill needed to keep government functioning. That said, after Byrd, the ranking member of the finance committee said he would not vote for it because, among tehobvious problems, it allowed the WH to have too much input into the legislative branch's role, and becuae they did not know what they were voting on---every Dem should have voted "No" and stood firm. Notable "No"s--my two senators from this rd state--Byrd and Rockefeller; Kerry, Edwards, Boxer, Fenstein, Durbin, Hagel, McCain. Biggest Yeas---Clinton and Schumer. Make Hillary expalin her yea---this should be good.
With letters to my local newspaper and Harry Reid's office at the ready, here are some additional thoughts:
1. This should be the renewal of the "Golden Fleece" awards, which Bill Proxmire (D-WI) used to famously give out. It's a simple message: Here are the priorties of the Republicans. Every week, Dems should be pounding this message and exposing the waste and fraud being thrust upon all of us. Plain and simple.
2. Apparently the threat from Al Queda scuba terrorist have decreased, which is good news for the boating community.
3. Attaturk, my thought for a new name for the boat: SS My Pet Boat.
4. OT, but did any of you see the Big Dog smack around Peter Jennings?? I've only watched a small amount of news since Nov. 3, but caught a small glimpse of the exchange where Clinton told Jennings he "did not want to go there" because PJ and his network's repeating the various leaks out of the Starr investigation. Would love more details and thoughts.
Blue day for all Badger fans, by the way . . . .
Of course Lautenberg and Corzine are both independently wealthy, and they represent a liberal state, but what's wrong with the Senators from New York?
With letters to my local newspaper and Harry Reid's office at the ready, here are some additional thoughts:
1. This should be the renewal of the "Golden Fleece" awards, which Bill Proxmire (D-WI) used to famously give out. It's a simple message: Here are the priorties of the Republicans. Every week, Dems should be pounding this message and exposing the waste and fraud being thrust upon all of us. Plain and simple.
2. Apparently the threat from Al Queda scuba terrorist have decreased, which is good news for the boating community.
3. Attaturk, my thought for a new name for the boat: SS My Pet Boat.
4. OT, but did any of you see the Big Dog smack around Peter Jennings?? I've only watched a small amount of news since Nov. 3, but caught a small glimpse of the exchange where Clinton told Jennings he "did not want to go there" because PJ and his network's repeating the various leaks out of the Starr investigation. Would love more details and thoughts.
Blue day for all Badger fans, by the way . . . .
Of course Lautenberg and Corzine are both independently wealthy, and they represent a liberal state, but what's wrong with the Senators from New York?
"zoot - Thanks for telling us who the "real America" is. I'll remember that and keep it close to my heart.
I so appreciate it - I had no idea.
Tena
Tena- Ignore the idiot.
BlakNo1"
just a tad thin-skinned don't cha think? You sure you 2 are up for battling republicans? maybe you ought to take a break.
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"zoot - Thanks for telling us who the "real America" is. I'll remember that and keep it close to my heart.
I so appreciate it - I had no idea.
Tena
Tena- Ignore the idiot.
BlakNo1"
just a tad thin-skinned don't cha think? You sure you 2 are up for battling republicans? maybe you ought to take a break.
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upcoming program of 20/20 on ABC
I'd suggesting canceling gay day at Disney World for a start. The mouse hates us.
upcoming program of 20/20 on ABC
I'd suggesting canceling gay day at Disney World for a start. The mouse hates us.
Is why Daschle lost? Why Daschle, the do-nothing Dem lost.
Democrats need to clean house and Hillary and her vote for a bankruptcy bill that favors all those predatory credit card lenders along with her support for the paperless voting machine (no paper ballots on e-vote till 2006 NOW means NO paper ballots AT ALL.) She can go to hell, please Hillary, take good friend Al From with you.
We need more Dems like Howard Dean - standing up and fighting IS a good thing.
So is Bush's presidential yacht coming out of Bush's extended credit plan for his new appoved 80 billion dollar loan? Is press dead or what? Funny how CNN has mentioned a word about this shit?
And what is Alan Greenspan saying about Bush's "spend like there is NO tomorrow" policy.
Greenspan warns of Wall St hiding
By Fleur Leyden
November 22, 2004
Australia's sharemarket is expected to open sharply lower this morning, after US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan said foreign funding of the United States' massive trade deficit would eventually waver, prompting a Wall Street shellacking.
"Given the size of the US current account deficit, a diminished appetite for dollar balances must occur at some point," Dr Greenspan told a European currency conference.
The US current account deficit grew to a record $US166.2 billion ($212 billion) in the second quarter and the federal deficit was a record $US412 billion in the financial year to the end of September.
President George Bush authorised a further $US800 billion boost in the federal debt limit to $US8.18 trillion on Friday night.
A 4.8 per cent surge in the price of crude oil to $US48.44 a barrel on Friday night did not help matters and the Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 115.64 points, or 1.1 per cent, to close at 10,456.9.
The S&P 500 fell 13.21 to 1170.34 and the Nasdaq Composite fell 33.65 to 2070.63.
Anybody up for a investing in Bush's privatization programs is a fool and don't take it from me but rather take it from words of Greenspan.
Lets hope everyone that voted for Bush gets his just deserts. Talk about your aiding and abetting of criminal behavior.
Is why Daschle lost? Why Daschle, the do-nothing Dem lost.
Democrats need to clean house and Hillary and her vote for a bankruptcy bill that favors all those predatory credit card lenders along with her support for the paperless voting machine (no paper ballots on e-vote till 2006 NOW means NO paper ballots AT ALL.) She can go to hell, please Hillary, take good friend Al From with you.
We need more Dems like Howard Dean - standing up and fighting IS a good thing.
So is Bush's presidential yacht coming out of Bush's extended credit plan for his new appoved 80 billion dollar loan? Is press dead or what? Funny how CNN has mentioned a word about this shit?
And what is Alan Greenspan saying about Bush's "spend like there is NO tomorrow" policy.
Greenspan warns of Wall St hiding
By Fleur Leyden
November 22, 2004
Australia's sharemarket is expected to open sharply lower this morning, after US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan said foreign funding of the United States' massive trade deficit would eventually waver, prompting a Wall Street shellacking.
"Given the size of the US current account deficit, a diminished appetite for dollar balances must occur at some point," Dr Greenspan told a European currency conference.
The US current account deficit grew to a record $US166.2 billion ($212 billion) in the second quarter and the federal deficit was a record $US412 billion in the financial year to the end of September.
President George Bush authorised a further $US800 billion boost in the federal debt limit to $US8.18 trillion on Friday night.
A 4.8 per cent surge in the price of crude oil to $US48.44 a barrel on Friday night did not help matters and the Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 115.64 points, or 1.1 per cent, to close at 10,456.9.
The S&P 500 fell 13.21 to 1170.34 and the Nasdaq Composite fell 33.65 to 2070.63.
Anybody up for a investing in Bush's privatization programs is a fool and don't take it from me but rather take it from words of Greenspan.
Lets hope everyone that voted for Bush gets his just deserts. Talk about your aiding and abetting of criminal behavior.
I George W Bush actually cared about America, he would use some of his millions to purchase the boat, and donate it to the park service.
However, we know that a Republicans money is sacrosanct, especially if he is wealthy.
I hope above hope, that a Democrat will stand up and point this out.
I George W Bush actually cared about America, he would use some of his millions to purchase the boat, and donate it to the park service.
However, we know that a Republicans money is sacrosanct, especially if he is wealthy.
I hope above hope, that a Democrat will stand up and point this out.
Jennifer -- I'm with you. The Dems can't be accused of obstruction just by voting no because there aren't enough of them to stop legislation from passing.
They should just say this or that bill is being rammed before we have time to examine it, and in order to assure the American people that no provisions have been slipped into legislation with out due examination and consideration, we vote no.
Jennifer -- I'm with you. The Dems can't be accused of obstruction just by voting no because there aren't enough of them to stop legislation from passing.
They should just say this or that bill is being rammed before we have time to examine it, and in order to assure the American people that no provisions have been slipped into legislation with out due examination and consideration, we vote no.
opps that should be: ? Funny how CNN has NOT mentioned a word about this shit?
opps that should be: ? Funny how CNN has NOT mentioned a word about this shit?
dignity and honor - I love the idea of resurrecting the Golden Fleece awards.
dignity and honor - I love the idea of resurrecting the Golden Fleece awards.
If you watched This Week with george stupidopolus you'd never know a huge fight went on into night over that omnibus train wreck bill. In fact you'd never know the bill was voted on yesterday.
The news print conventional wisdom seems to be shaping along the lines of dems worked together with repubs on that mess. Even after having worked hand in hand with repubs the dems are whining about what's in it, and of course dems wanted to spend a lot more.
It doesn't have to be this way. If you don't like it, make yourself heard. How about you local paper for a start?
If you watched This Week with george stupidopolus you'd never know a huge fight went on into night over that omnibus train wreck bill. In fact you'd never know the bill was voted on yesterday.
The news print conventional wisdom seems to be shaping along the lines of dems worked together with repubs on that mess. Even after having worked hand in hand with repubs the dems are whining about what's in it, and of course dems wanted to spend a lot more.
It doesn't have to be this way. If you don't like it, make yourself heard. How about you local paper for a start?
here's some more contact info:
Tulsa World
Washington Post
APPLETON, Wis., Post Crescent
http://www.wisinfo.com/postcresc...html\">Appleton, Wisc., Post Crescent
Adams, Peter: reporter 729-6622 ext. 31 padams@postcrescent.com
Bach, Pete: business reporter 993-1000 ext. 430 pbach@postcrescent.com
Behnke, Duke: reporter 729-6620 ext. 32 dbehnke@postcrescent.com
Berthiaume, Ed: features editor 993-1000 ext. 213 eberthiaume@postcrescent.com
Collins, Myrna: reporter 993-1000 ext. 283 mcollins@postcrescent.com
Culhane, Ed: reporter 993-1000 ext. 216 eculhane@postcrescent.com
Dittman, Kevin: copy editor 993-1000 ext. 224 kdittman@postcrescent.com
Draves, Susan: reporter 993-1000 ext. 531 sdraves@postcrescent.com
Dums, Linda: reporter 993-1000 ext. 558 ldums@postcrescent.com
Espino, J.E.: reporter 993-1000 ext. 426 jespino@postcrescent.com
Flannery, Dan: managing editor 993-1000 ext. 237 dflannery@postcrescent.com
Gallup, Larry: editorial page editor 993-1000 ext. 375 lgallup@postcrescent.com
Gilkay, Julie: asst. features editor 993-1000 ext. 319 jgilkay@postcrescent.com
Hanuszczak-Froberg, Sharon: copy editor 993-1000 ext. 300 shanuszczak-froberg@postcrescent.com
Hyden, Steve: features reporter 993-1000 ext. 296 shyden@postcrescent.com
Jones, Ben: Madison bureau chief 608-255-9256 bjones@postcrescent.com
Kabelowsky, Steve: Page 1 editor 993-1000 ext. 207 skabelowsky@postcrescent.com
King, Michael: reporter 729-6620 ext. 33 mking@postcrescent.com
Klister, Eric:features reporter/copy editor 993-1000 ext. 423 eklister@postcrescent.com
LaRoi, Heather: features reporter 993-1000 ext. 238 hlaroi@postcrescent.com
Leifeld, Ellen: president and publisher 993-1000 ext 201 publisher@postcrescent.com
Lowe, Ed: reporter 993-1000 ext. 293 elowe@postcrescent.com
Coates, Kathleen: metro editor 993-1000 ext. 281 kcoates@postcrescent.com
Lundstrom, Jim: features reporter 993-1000 ext. 374 jlundstrom@postcrescent.com
Madison Bureau 608-255-9256 bjones@postcrescent.com
Mara, Jamie: enterprise editor 993-1000 ext. 298 jmara@postcrescent.com
Matzek, MaryBeth: Online editor/business editor 993-1000 ext. 292 mmatzek@postcrescent.com
Neenah-Menasha News-Record 729-6620 tcnr@postcrescent.com
Neistein, Matt: copy editor 993-1000 ext. 239 mneistein@postcrescent.com
Niermeyer, Ruth: online director 426-6625 rniermey@gannett.com
Oppmann, Andrew: executive editor 993-1000 ext. 7104 aoppmann@postcrescent.com
Patterson, Kara: reporter 993-1000 ext. 215 kpatterson@postcrescent.com
Pelishek, Amy: asst. managing editor 993-1000 ext. 286 apelishek@postcrescent.com
Peterson, Bernie: night regional editor/Current editor 993-1000 ext. 200 bpeterson@postcrescent.com
dpieper@postcrescent.com
Roherty, Dan: copy ch
here's some more contact info:
Tulsa World
Washington Post
APPLETON, Wis., Post Crescent
http://www.wisinfo.com/postcresc...html\">Appleton, Wisc., Post Crescent
Adams, Peter: reporter 729-6622 ext. 31 padams@postcrescent.com
Bach, Pete: business reporter 993-1000 ext. 430 pbach@postcrescent.com
Behnke, Duke: reporter 729-6620 ext. 32 dbehnke@postcrescent.com
Berthiaume, Ed: features editor 993-1000 ext. 213 eberthiaume@postcrescent.com
Collins, Myrna: reporter 993-1000 ext. 283 mcollins@postcrescent.com
Culhane, Ed: reporter 993-1000 ext. 216 eculhane@postcrescent.com
Dittman, Kevin: copy editor 993-1000 ext. 224 kdittman@postcrescent.com
Draves, Susan: reporter 993-1000 ext. 531 sdraves@postcrescent.com
Dums, Linda: reporter 993-1000 ext. 558 ldums@postcrescent.com
Espino, J.E.: reporter 993-1000 ext. 426 jespino@postcrescent.com
Flannery, Dan: managing editor 993-1000 ext. 237 dflannery@postcrescent.com
Gallup, Larry: editorial page editor 993-1000 ext. 375 lgallup@postcrescent.com
Gilkay, Julie: asst. features editor 993-1000 ext. 319 jgilkay@postcrescent.com
Hanuszczak-Froberg, Sharon: copy editor 993-1000 ext. 300 shanuszczak-froberg@postcrescent.com
Hyden, Steve: features reporter 993-1000 ext. 296 shyden@postcrescent.com
Jones, Ben: Madison bureau chief 608-255-9256 bjones@postcrescent.com
Kabelowsky, Steve: Page 1 editor 993-1000 ext. 207 skabelowsky@postcrescent.com
King, Michael: reporter 729-6620 ext. 33 mking@postcrescent.com
Klister, Eric:features reporter/copy editor 993-1000 ext. 423 eklister@postcrescent.com
LaRoi, Heather: features reporter 993-1000 ext. 238 hlaroi@postcrescent.com
Leifeld, Ellen: president and publisher 993-1000 ext 201 publisher@postcrescent.com
Lowe, Ed: reporter 993-1000 ext. 293 elowe@postcrescent.com
Coates, Kathleen: metro editor 993-1000 ext. 281 kcoates@postcrescent.com
Lundstrom, Jim: features reporter 993-1000 ext. 374 jlundstrom@postcrescent.com
Madison Bureau 608-255-9256 bjones@postcrescent.com
Mara, Jamie: enterprise editor 993-1000 ext. 298 jmara@postcrescent.com
Matzek, MaryBeth: Online editor/business editor 993-1000 ext. 292 mmatzek@postcrescent.com
Neenah-Menasha News-Record 729-6620 tcnr@postcrescent.com
Neistein, Matt: copy editor 993-1000 ext. 239 mneistein@postcrescent.com
Niermeyer, Ruth: online director 426-6625 rniermey@gannett.com
Oppmann, Andrew: executive editor 993-1000 ext. 7104 aoppmann@postcrescent.com
Patterson, Kara: reporter 993-1000 ext. 215 kpatterson@postcrescent.com
Pelishek, Amy: asst. managing editor 993-1000 ext. 286 apelishek@postcrescent.com
Peterson, Bernie: night regional editor/Current editor 993-1000 ext. 200 bpeterson@postcrescent.com
dpieper@postcrescent.com
Roherty, Dan: copy ch
Greenspan warns of Wall St hiding
What a difference a month makes. Greenspan on the economy is about as credible as Colin Powell on proliferation.
Millerism: A lie that can be made to function as the truth through repetition and publicity, for a time.
Greenspan warns of Wall St hiding
What a difference a month makes. Greenspan on the economy is about as credible as Colin Powell on proliferation.
Millerism: A lie that can be made to function as the truth through repetition and publicity, for a time.
Keep alienating "red state" dems and there won't be a battle left to fight. This ridiculous notion of ideological purity has to stop.
Oh, and enough with the fake "Clinton blog" already. Jeez, that's such an old joke.
Keep alienating "red state" dems and there won't be a battle left to fight. This ridiculous notion of ideological purity has to stop.
Oh, and enough with the fake "Clinton blog" already. Jeez, that's such an old joke.
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0oops i accidentally hit "post" before coding one of the URLs. I'm sorry.
Everyone, Please write one letter to your local paper and express your outrage at this. Frame it as a provision inserted by the Republicans into an omnibus bill. This isn't about who voted for the overall bill, in the end. It's about who put this provision into the bill.
Everyone, Please write one letter to your local paper and express your outrage at this. Frame it as a provision inserted by the Republicans into an omnibus bill. This isn't about who voted for the overall bill, in the end. It's about who put this provision into the bill.
The media seems to have decided to focus on the blocking of the intelligence reform bill.
The media seems to have decided to focus on the blocking of the intelligence reform bill.
HMMMM how many of you dummys find a cockroach eating your food,kill the thing, than see another walking across the floor minding it's own bussniess of course and just let it go? after all this one has not been eating your food right? Well, i mean you can't prove it, there is no soild facts to prove it. there is a real good chance it's just on it's way to fly a kite thats what most of them do you know fly kites.
HMMMM how many of you dummys find a cockroach eating your food,kill the thing, than see another walking across the floor minding it's own bussniess of course and just let it go? after all this one has not been eating your food right? Well, i mean you can't prove it, there is no soild facts to prove it. there is a real good chance it's just on it's way to fly a kite thats what most of them do you know fly kites.
David (Austin TX) - I'm afraid that rather than donating things to the park service they are just going to do away with the park service.
I really fear for our public lands. I'm afraid they are going to be sold off.
David (Austin TX) - I'm afraid that rather than donating things to the park service they are just going to do away with the park service.
I really fear for our public lands. I'm afraid they are going to be sold off.
Sorry to be pedantic, but need to nip this in the bud here on Atios. I have to double-read each time bcz I'm not sure what the writer means.
cache (pronounced like "cash") is a place where supplies, food, weapons, etc., are stored, often hidden.
cachet (rhymes with "sashay") is a "mark by which quality or authenticity can be distinguished."
Both come from French.
I hear military people pronouncing "cache" like "cachet." Anyone know why? Military-speak? To make the word more understandable over radio transmissions? Ignorance?
Sorry to be pedantic, but need to nip this in the bud here on Atios. I have to double-read each time bcz I'm not sure what the writer means.
cache (pronounced like "cash") is a place where supplies, food, weapons, etc., are stored, often hidden.
cachet (rhymes with "sashay") is a "mark by which quality or authenticity can be distinguished."
Both come from French.
I hear military people pronouncing "cache" like "cachet." Anyone know why? Military-speak? To make the word more understandable over radio transmissions? Ignorance?
The media seems to have decided to focus on the blocking of the intelligence reform bill.
And God knows they can't focus on more than one thing at a time-like the 5 year olds chasing the soccer ball.
The media seems to have decided to focus on the blocking of the intelligence reform bill.
And God knows they can't focus on more than one thing at a time-like the 5 year olds chasing the soccer ball.
you have to remember: the Congress, every last one of them, sees its duty and loyalty to be towards the oligarchy/money/bidness interests before any other concerns. That is why Kerry conceded when he did: the stock market was getting nervous...
you have to remember: the Congress, every last one of them, sees its duty and loyalty to be towards the oligarchy/money/bidness interests before any other concerns. That is why Kerry conceded when he did: the stock market was getting nervous...
Oh yeah, we'll win next time with this kinda nonsense.
Marc Candor
"We." Very amusing!
Oh yeah, we'll win next time with this kinda nonsense.
Marc Candor
"We." Very amusing!
U.S.S. Imperial Hubris
'nuf said
U.S.S. Imperial Hubris
'nuf said
Does anyone remember the "luxury tax" debate from the Reagan years? The argument went that, if we raised taxes on luxury items, like yachts, etc, then the blue-collar workers who build these things will suffer, thus dragging the middle-class working economy down.
Given the rethug spin-machine, I bet if the criticisms on the presidential yacht builds up some steam, then we will start to see counterattacks based on "liberals hate middle-American boat-builders!". And if it happens to be only a changing hands of the USS Sequoia, then it will be "liberals hate hard-working deck-hands and yeomen!".
By the way, of you go to the Bush home page, you can see Kerry wind-surfing past a boat that looks suspiciously like the Sequoia.
Compare the yacht behind
Kerry windsurfing
against
U.S.S. Sequoia.
Does anyone remember the "luxury tax" debate from the Reagan years? The argument went that, if we raised taxes on luxury items, like yachts, etc, then the blue-collar workers who build these things will suffer, thus dragging the middle-class working economy down.
Given the rethug spin-machine, I bet if the criticisms on the presidential yacht builds up some steam, then we will start to see counterattacks based on "liberals hate middle-American boat-builders!". And if it happens to be only a changing hands of the USS Sequoia, then it will be "liberals hate hard-working deck-hands and yeomen!".
By the way, of you go to the Bush home page, you can see Kerry wind-surfing past a boat that looks suspiciously like the Sequoia.
Compare the yacht behind
Kerry windsurfing
against
U.S.S. Sequoia.
Barndog -- yeah! Stabenow and Levin keep their honor and their souls. I am distressed about Schumer, Clinton, and Feinstein, however. Dammit, we've got to stop playing thier game.
Barndog -- yeah! Stabenow and Levin keep their honor and their souls. I am distressed about Schumer, Clinton, and Feinstein, however. Dammit, we've got to stop playing thier game.
How about you, what are you doing to get the word out?
Well first of all, same thing you're doing. Or have YOU bought-into that whole marginalization of blogs on the internets as being not credible (except if you're Drudge)?
Believe me, these uncontrolled breakouts of Democracy are a BIG concern to literally everyone in the axis of Bush. Smaller though their reach might be, they circumvent a totally controlled mass distribution system of disinformation, and a lotta simoleans went into that system, pal. This is not something they take lightly. Regardless of what they posture.
But I suspect the real cause for the irritation I hear in your virtual voice is that once again, someone from the side of the angels has punctured the Kerry balloon. Okay, I dig fully the need to have figureheads and heroes; look what it did for a C average fuckup dry drunk who doesn't really represent his loyal subjects.
All I'm saying, and you still haven't really taken the challenge of commenting on this specifically, is that if the media isn't about to air a story that makes the boy king look bad, then it's up to someone who can *get on the fucking air in the first place* and make a statement that makes page one.
And for the moment, all we got's John Kerry. You willing to bet the firstborn that he's actually gonna use that power, over an issue where even Atrios correctly points out, we've got the poster child from Hell??
Should he? WILL he? Yes/No?
How about you, what are you doing to get the word out?
Well first of all, same thing you're doing. Or have YOU bought-into that whole marginalization of blogs on the internets as being not credible (except if you're Drudge)?
Believe me, these uncontrolled breakouts of Democracy are a BIG concern to literally everyone in the axis of Bush. Smaller though their reach might be, they circumvent a totally controlled mass distribution system of disinformation, and a lotta simoleans went into that system, pal. This is not something they take lightly. Regardless of what they posture.
But I suspect the real cause for the irritation I hear in your virtual voice is that once again, someone from the side of the angels has punctured the Kerry balloon. Okay, I dig fully the need to have figureheads and heroes; look what it did for a C average fuckup dry drunk who doesn't really represent his loyal subjects.
All I'm saying, and you still haven't really taken the challenge of commenting on this specifically, is that if the media isn't about to air a story that makes the boy king look bad, then it's up to someone who can *get on the fucking air in the first place* and make a statement that makes page one.
And for the moment, all we got's John Kerry. You willing to bet the firstborn that he's actually gonna use that power, over an issue where even Atrios correctly points out, we've got the poster child from Hell??
Should he? WILL he? Yes/No?
Marc Candor -- Totally agree. If it's the SEquoia, we say we believe this historic yacht should be returned to the people as part of the Smithsonian collection and the government eagerly awaits its donation by the current ownwers. However, the expenditure of the taxpayers' money for a yacht for presidential use in the current fiscal climate while cutting Pell Grant availability is simply unacceptable.
Marc Candor -- Totally agree. If it's the SEquoia, we say we believe this historic yacht should be returned to the people as part of the Smithsonian collection and the government eagerly awaits its donation by the current ownwers. However, the expenditure of the taxpayers' money for a yacht for presidential use in the current fiscal climate while cutting Pell Grant availability is simply unacceptable.
Maybe Bush should name his yacht "Checkers" . . .
Maybe Bush should name his yacht "Checkers" . . .
Tena: And I love the idea of having someone like Proxmire willing, able and credible enough to do this week in and week out, along with a media to report it, a country to be outraged by it, and, oh wait, now I'm dreaming. . . . . 
Thanks for the comments, as usual!
Tena: And I love the idea of having someone like Proxmire willing, able and credible enough to do this week in and week out, along with a media to report it, a country to be outraged by it, and, oh wait, now I'm dreaming. . . . .
Thanks for the comments, as usual!
make the word more understandable over radio transmissions? Ignorance?
Jawbone | Email | Homepage | 11.21.04 - 11:50 am
None of the grunt units have the sophistication to understand the meaining of 'cachet', or use it properly. Pronouncing "cache" as 'cash' would send 'wrong' message, especially after that flap early on over the troops breaking into caches of cash...if they said we have a cash here, folks all over Iraq would break ranks to steal whatever they could... So 'cache" is 'kashay', and cash is scrip...and 'cachet' disappears into the fog of war...
make the word more understandable over radio transmissions? Ignorance?
Jawbone | Email | Homepage | 11.21.04 - 11:50 am
None of the grunt units have the sophistication to understand the meaining of 'cachet', or use it properly. Pronouncing "cache" as 'cash' would send 'wrong' message, especially after that flap early on over the troops breaking into caches of cash...if they said we have a cash here, folks all over Iraq would break ranks to steal whatever they could... So 'cache" is 'kashay', and cash is scrip...and 'cachet' disappears into the fog of war...
Jawbone... I apologize for dropping my 't' on "cachet".
Please do not rat me out to my Signifiant Other, The Overbearing Linguistics Major
Jawbone... I apologize for dropping my 't' on "cachet".
Please do not rat me out to my Signifiant Other, The Overbearing Linguistics Major
Cache is cash,
la da da da da...
Cache is cash,
la da da da da...
If this is a new yacht, I'm putting in my bid for the name: U.S.S. Fuckyousuckers.
If this is a new yacht, I'm putting in my bid for the name: U.S.S. Fuckyousuckers.
"So 'cache" is 'kashay', and cash is scrip...and 'cachet' disappears into the fog of war..."
But with a certain air about the whole thing....
"So 'cache" is 'kashay', and cash is scrip...and 'cachet' disappears into the fog of war..."
But with a certain air about the whole thing....
If the DNC isn't on the ground tomorrow running ads saying Bush took your kid's Pell grant away so he could spend the money on a yacht they're fools...
I don't have much confidence in the DNC's (or any Democrat's) ability to exploit this the way it should be exploited.
If the DNC isn't on the ground tomorrow running ads saying Bush took your kid's Pell grant away so he could spend the money on a yacht they're fools...
I don't have much confidence in the DNC's (or any Democrat's) ability to exploit this the way it should be exploited.
Another thing, if I understand what McCain alluded to in his 'bitch site'...
The Republicans also just voted in a Federal Firearms National Registry.
Wooooooooooooo Boy.
This should be good if in fact it's the case.
Time to go watch the Lions. Have fun y'all.
LOLOLOL
Another thing, if I understand what McCain alluded to in his 'bitch site'...
The Republicans also just voted in a Federal Firearms National Registry.
Wooooooooooooo Boy.
This should be good if in fact it's the case.
Time to go watch the Lions. Have fun y'all.
LOLOLOL
The Dems never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
The Dems never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Give it up, atrios.
You have too much faith in the Dems to do things right.
To me, this just underscores how corrupt/inept the Democrats, especially in the Senate, are.
Give it up, atrios.
You have too much faith in the Dems to do things right.
To me, this just underscores how corrupt/inept the Democrats, especially in the Senate, are.
Barry Champlain,
"then it's up to someone who can *get on the fucking air in the first place* and make a statement that makes page one."
My mistake. I thought you were serious. You are just another "somebody else's fault" excuser. Don't blame you, look what somebody else didn't do.
Did you happen to see the articles on Kerry's first day back to the senate. Very interesting. According to the media he glad handed for a minute before he scurried up the private stairs to his private office where he ordered shrimp for lunch.
"And for the moment, all we got's John Kerry. You willing to bet the firstborn that he's actually gonna use that power"
Here is a tip for ya:
You are a terrible mind reader, and big part of reading is comprehension. You should forget the mind reading and work on comprehension part.
All we have is us. Make yourself heard.
Barry Champlain,
"then it's up to someone who can *get on the fucking air in the first place* and make a statement that makes page one."
My mistake. I thought you were serious. You are just another "somebody else's fault" excuser. Don't blame you, look what somebody else didn't do.
Did you happen to see the articles on Kerry's first day back to the senate. Very interesting. According to the media he glad handed for a minute before he scurried up the private stairs to his private office where he ordered shrimp for lunch.
"And for the moment, all we got's John Kerry. You willing to bet the firstborn that he's actually gonna use that power"
Here is a tip for ya:
You are a terrible mind reader, and big part of reading is comprehension. You should forget the mind reading and work on comprehension part.
All we have is us. Make yourself heard.
The [intelligence] bill collapsed when Reps. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., and James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairmen of the Armed Services and Judiciary committees, respectively, raised objections.
Meaning that two Republican members of the House defeated both Bush and their Speaker.
This is a much bigger story than anything the Democrats can do right now.
The [intelligence] bill collapsed when Reps. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., and James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairmen of the Armed Services and Judiciary committees, respectively, raised objections.
Meaning that two Republican members of the House defeated both Bush and their Speaker.
This is a much bigger story than anything the Democrats can do right now.
As there seems to be some misunderstanding about the Yacht
It's the Sequoia
"The bill, for example, provides up to $2 million to buy a former presidential yacht for a Navy museum and $250,000 for the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville."
I used to have an idiot workmate, who loved to pronounce "cache" Cashay. No matter how frequently I attempted to adjust his pronunciation with a clew stick, it never took.
As there seems to be some misunderstanding about the Yacht
It's the Sequoia
"The bill, for example, provides up to $2 million to buy a former presidential yacht for a Navy museum and $250,000 for the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville."
I used to have an idiot workmate, who loved to pronounce "cache" Cashay. No matter how frequently I attempted to adjust his pronunciation with a clew stick, it never took.
Knopelli-thanks for making me laugh.
Realized--big time--yesterday that I haven't laughed in a long time. This is not fun times. So, T/U.
Knopelli-thanks for making me laugh.
Realized--big time--yesterday that I haven't laughed in a long time. This is not fun times. So, T/U.
Anybody ever heard of "The Divine Right of Capital"? Look here, and here, and/or here. It is worth our consideration, as an economic meme to attack the fascisti, at least...
Anybody ever heard of "The Divine Right of Capital"? Look here, and here, and/or here. It is worth our consideration, as an economic meme to attack the fascisti, at least...
Cheryl, ("Lets hope everyone that voted for Bush gets his just deserts."), sadly, we are the passengers on board the ship being steered right into the economic iceberg. And there are too few lifeboats to go around!
Maybe those guys in upper Michigan and Idaho actually have it right!
Cheryl, ("Lets hope everyone that voted for Bush gets his just deserts."), sadly, we are the passengers on board the ship being steered right into the economic iceberg. And there are too few lifeboats to go around!
Maybe those guys in upper Michigan and Idaho actually have it right!
Cheryl, a weak dollar is good for American factories. It means higher prices for imports, and it makes our exports cheaper. So Bush is actually getting this weak dollar thing right.
Cheryl, a weak dollar is good for American factories. It means higher prices for imports, and it makes our exports cheaper. So Bush is actually getting this weak dollar thing right.
hadenough: You are absolutely right. I do not "comprehend" a single point you're making. In all fairness, nor you any of mine.
I think you're burned-out from Black Tuesday.
I will be happy to make my "voice heard", but all's I'm sayin' is that, ya knowww, there are a couple of other voices which might get, ohhh, a *little* more attention than mine.
And the onus is on THEM to make it so. Three times now. You're not getting it.
(And as critical as I msy be of John Kerry, I don't begrudge the bastard LUNCH).
hadenough: You are absolutely right. I do not "comprehend" a single point you're making. In all fairness, nor you any of mine.
I think you're burned-out from Black Tuesday.
I will be happy to make my "voice heard", but all's I'm sayin' is that, ya knowww, there are a couple of other voices which might get, ohhh, a *little* more attention than mine.
And the onus is on THEM to make it so. Three times now. You're not getting it.
(And as critical as I msy be of John Kerry, I don't begrudge the bastard LUNCH).
$250,000 for the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville."
That's a flat-out pay-off to the Gaylord family which owns virtually all the media in Oklahoma, as well as Opryland and virtually controls the CMHF, in Nashville, iirc...
$250,000 for the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville."
That's a flat-out pay-off to the Gaylord family which owns virtually all the media in Oklahoma, as well as Opryland and virtually controls the CMHF, in Nashville, iirc...
I will shortly be contacting my congress associates (Wal-Martian speak) to draft legistlation for a series of provincial presidential palaces.
I'm sure that there must be enough funds that can be pilferred from the nations declining middle class and poor.
I will, of course, expect a royal land grant in return for my thoughtful support of his excellency's magnificance.
Oh yeah, Green Tea Bitches!
I will shortly be contacting my congress associates (Wal-Martian speak) to draft legistlation for a series of provincial presidential palaces.
I'm sure that there must be enough funds that can be pilferred from the nations declining middle class and poor.
I will, of course, expect a royal land grant in return for my thoughtful support of his excellency's magnificance.
Oh yeah, Green Tea Bitches!
Kent -- Great, thanks for finding confirmation about the Sequoia.
Next we need to know who owns it now and who s/he/they have connections to -- campaign donations, etc.
Kent -- Great, thanks for finding confirmation about the Sequoia.
Next we need to know who owns it now and who s/he/they have connections to -- campaign donations, etc.
Great, thanks president Bush for making my college education that much more expensive.
Thanks.
Great, thanks president Bush for making my college education that much more expensive.
Thanks.
And there are too few lifeboats to go around!
I fear you misread the arrangements for the use of lifeboats. There are not 'too few' lifeboats to go around. There are NO lifeboats to go around; the lifeboats are already reserved--shit they are already loaded--with the rich and famous...the rest of us are just gonna drown, and nobody is gonna give a flying fuck how cold or deep the water is...
And there are too few lifeboats to go around!
I fear you misread the arrangements for the use of lifeboats. There are not 'too few' lifeboats to go around. There are NO lifeboats to go around; the lifeboats are already reserved--shit they are already loaded--with the rich and famous...the rest of us are just gonna drown, and nobody is gonna give a flying fuck how cold or deep the water is...
Tina, late to the dance, but I have to comment: You have a lesbian Latina Democrat sheriff in TEXAS?
Four strikes against her. I'm impressed. She must be hell on wheels.
As for joining Mexico, I'd really hate to need to screw with insurance and all that other crap just to visit Big Bend and the coast. On the other hand, the idea of Tom DeLay as a Mexican is just awesome.
On the Sequoia, I guess I think it should be in the hands of the Smithsonian and that Carter should never have sold it. And that $2 mill is not that much compared to all the rest. I'm way more pissed that Shrub, et al, claim that they have a good reason to fly somewhere and make a grandstanding appearance (see "Mission Accomplished") at taxpayer expense. And worse, do one of those and then go raise a few million at a dinner and only pay for the ride to and from the dinner.
And I wonder how much it costs to fly the whole entourage to and from Texas, too. That 40% vacation time didn't come cheap.
Tina, late to the dance, but I have to comment: You have a lesbian Latina Democrat sheriff in TEXAS?
Four strikes against her. I'm impressed. She must be hell on wheels.
As for joining Mexico, I'd really hate to need to screw with insurance and all that other crap just to visit Big Bend and the coast. On the other hand, the idea of Tom DeLay as a Mexican is just awesome.
On the Sequoia, I guess I think it should be in the hands of the Smithsonian and that Carter should never have sold it. And that $2 mill is not that much compared to all the rest. I'm way more pissed that Shrub, et al, claim that they have a good reason to fly somewhere and make a grandstanding appearance (see "Mission Accomplished") at taxpayer expense. And worse, do one of those and then go raise a few million at a dinner and only pay for the ride to and from the dinner.
And I wonder how much it costs to fly the whole entourage to and from Texas, too. That 40% vacation time didn't come cheap.
Great, we've all been getting steamed up about a historic yacht, which costs 2 million and is bought for the navy museum. Great! If any Democrat brings this thing up he's going to be laughed at from here to Bagdad.
Great, we've all been getting steamed up about a historic yacht, which costs 2 million and is bought for the navy museum. Great! If any Democrat brings this thing up he's going to be laughed at from here to Bagdad.
For the record...they are fools. As they have proven time and again.
For the record...they are fools. As they have proven time and again.
Is not the tax inspection insertion and removal nothing more than a distraction to give the SCLM something to talk about other than the abortion-errosion feature - oh, look over there!
(Barbara Boxer got a nice pat on the head from Frist and sent back to her room).
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Is not the tax inspection insertion and removal nothing more than a distraction to give the SCLM something to talk about other than the abortion-errosion feature - oh, look over there!
(Barbara Boxer got a nice pat on the head from Frist and sent back to her room).
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You have to expect that if no legitimate candidate comes to light for the republicans in 2008, by 2006' they will seriously begin looking to change the law to allow Bush to run for a third, fourth, or even five or more terms.
We are seeing the beginning of a Bush dynasty Bush senior not withstanding.
MYOB'
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You have to expect that if no legitimate candidate comes to light for the republicans in 2008, by 2006' they will seriously begin looking to change the law to allow Bush to run for a third, fourth, or even five or more terms.
We are seeing the beginning of a Bush dynasty Bush senior not withstanding.
MYOB'
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Jawbone - going with Occam on this one, I'll suggest that it's the ignorance, stupid
Jawbone - going with Occam on this one, I'll suggest that it's the ignorance, stupid
now just where is bush gonna go on sequoia_ii? between dc and mt vernon? anywaya that boat is going to look like a wwi battleship with gun muzzles up down and sideways.
now just where is bush gonna go on sequoia_ii? between dc and mt vernon? anywaya that boat is going to look like a wwi battleship with gun muzzles up down and sideways.
MYOB,
If they tried it, they would have to get it through the statehouses, but they won't, I bet, for a couple of reasons. One, Bush is getting awfully frayed around the edges. He's already looking like there's something wrong with him (wonder if he's had that physical he put off...). Second, Clinton could run again. I think he might just do it, too, if he had the chance.
Of course, I really thought there was a chance Kerry could get to the White House, too.
MYOB,
If they tried it, they would have to get it through the statehouses, but they won't, I bet, for a couple of reasons. One, Bush is getting awfully frayed around the edges. He's already looking like there's something wrong with him (wonder if he's had that physical he put off...). Second, Clinton could run again. I think he might just do it, too, if he had the chance.
Of course, I really thought there was a chance Kerry could get to the White House, too.
Sheik Arbusto is right; until we have our own Mighty Wurlitzer, these stories will live for a day and then die.
I too love the idea of resurrecting the Golden Fleece awards-good one, dignity and honor-if some Senator made it clever enough with lots of bells and whistles, it would break through to the corporate media.
It's all about show business, I'm afraid.
Sheik Arbusto is right; until we have our own Mighty Wurlitzer, these stories will live for a day and then die.
I too love the idea of resurrecting the Golden Fleece awards-good one, dignity and honor-if some Senator made it clever enough with lots of bells and whistles, it would break through to the corporate media.
It's all about show business, I'm afraid.
Konopelli -- Maybe we can use the Grand Ol' Opry stuff, too. Wonder who inserted the provision and what budget the money comes out of. Truth is, I don't really understand these omnibus bills (or most other bills, for that matter). Does it authorize spending in all departments, i.e., is the GOO (!) allocation through arts or humanities foundations?
Konopelli -- Maybe we can use the Grand Ol' Opry stuff, too. Wonder who inserted the provision and what budget the money comes out of. Truth is, I don't really understand these omnibus bills (or most other bills, for that matter). Does it authorize spending in all departments, i.e., is the GOO (!) allocation through arts or humanities foundations?
"And I wonder how much it costs to fly the whole entourage to and from Texas, too. That 40% vacation time didn't come cheap."
Due to public outrage, thousands of wingers contacting their reps and the media, a congressional investagion was launched into Clinton's use of airforce one during the 94 midterm elections. Played all over the media for months.
During the 2002 mid term elections bush was constantly campaigning and not a mention about his use of airforce one.
Until citizen dems start speaking up nothing changes.
"And I wonder how much it costs to fly the whole entourage to and from Texas, too. That 40% vacation time didn't come cheap."
Due to public outrage, thousands of wingers contacting their reps and the media, a congressional investagion was launched into Clinton's use of airforce one during the 94 midterm elections. Played all over the media for months.
During the 2002 mid term elections bush was constantly campaigning and not a mention about his use of airforce one.
Until citizen dems start speaking up nothing changes.
OK, you've convinced me. As long as we're raising the debt limit and spending billions of dollars, what's another 2 million here and there? And what's wrong with a little 250K in pork for our good heartland friends in Nashville?
OK, you've convinced me. As long as we're raising the debt limit and spending billions of dollars, what's another 2 million here and there? And what's wrong with a little 250K in pork for our good heartland friends in Nashville?
Marc -- "All steamed up" (appropriate, that). But really, look at all we learned through the conversation. We had a reaction and then we began thinking it through and sharing opinions and research.
And it is important to know who benefits from these relatively minor expenditures. They add up and in toto may constitute quite a bit of tit-for-tat.
Marc -- "All steamed up" (appropriate, that). But really, look at all we learned through the conversation. We had a reaction and then we began thinking it through and sharing opinions and research.
And it is important to know who benefits from these relatively minor expenditures. They add up and in toto may constitute quite a bit of tit-for-tat.
I am really pissed about this. If the Democrats don't make a big stink about this I will!
I am really pissed about this. If the Democrats don't make a big stink about this I will!
OK, looks like Sequoia is not going to be a breakout issue, but, if Dubya does use it we could get out the "Taxpayers float his boat" stuff.
Knonopelli: just sent your book recommendation to my local county libary for them to purchase. Morris County, NJ, one of the wealthiest counties in the country, could stand to read this book. Heh, heh.
OK, looks like Sequoia is not going to be a breakout issue, but, if Dubya does use it we could get out the "Taxpayers float his boat" stuff.
Knonopelli: just sent your book recommendation to my local county libary for them to purchase. Morris County, NJ, one of the wealthiest counties in the country, could stand to read this book. Heh, heh.
Sheik Arbusto is right; until we have our own Mighty Wurlitzer, these stories will live for a day and then die.
Anyone know if that Air America Radio is still on the air? Send your emails to Randi Rhodes!
Sheik Arbusto is right; until we have our own Mighty Wurlitzer, these stories will live for a day and then die.
Anyone know if that Air America Radio is still on the air? Send your emails to Randi Rhodes!
what Dems voted for this?
what Dems voted for this?
Onceler, see Knot My Hair, 10:56AM, for Senate Roll Call. See Sean, 11:01AM, for Congress.org for contact info for reps and senators.
Onceler, see Knot My Hair, 10:56AM, for Senate Roll Call. See Sean, 11:01AM, for Congress.org for contact info for reps and senators.
heh. thanks for whoever posted the link for a picture of the sequoia. man, that is an ugly boat.
heh. thanks for whoever posted the link for a picture of the sequoia. man, that is an ugly boat.
My earlier comment was not to suggest that $2,000,000 isn't a lot of money, just that in terms of the total it isn't nearly as egregious as some other expenditures. We do need to pick our fights.
On the other hand, "Taxpayers float his boat" is awfully catchy...
My earlier comment was not to suggest that $2,000,000 isn't a lot of money, just that in terms of the total it isn't nearly as egregious as some other expenditures. We do need to pick our fights.
On the other hand, "Taxpayers float his boat" is awfully catchy...
You could run a contest on what to name the yacht. A few ideas...Monkey Business, Jumping Jack Flash, Lawyers, Guns, and Money, Your Tax Dollars at Play, Giant Sucking Sound
You could run a contest on what to name the yacht. A few ideas...Monkey Business, Jumping Jack Flash, Lawyers, Guns, and Money, Your Tax Dollars at Play, Giant Sucking Sound
Republicans - you miserable sluts!
Republicans - you miserable sluts!
Interesting coincidence, that the yacht motoring behind Kerry in the infamous bush-league "Windsurfing" ad has the same profile as the Sequoia.
See more here: Got Yacht?
Interesting coincidence, that the yacht motoring behind Kerry in the infamous bush-league "Windsurfing" ad has the same profile as the Sequoia.
See more here: Got Yacht?
Americans have forgotten how to stand up for themselves - they have been psychologically trained to accept any shit the wealthy GOP throws at the country. In that bill, "someone" entered a line that would legally permit direct taxpayer IRS record without his/her knowledge and without any legal reason. The Birth of a Neo-Fascist Nation.
Americans have forgotten how to stand up for themselves - they have been psychologically trained to accept any shit the wealthy GOP throws at the country. In that bill, "someone" entered a line that would legally permit direct taxpayer IRS record without his/her knowledge and without any legal reason. The Birth of a Neo-Fascist Nation.
Spending a penny on a boat is insanity since our entire domestic budget they passed is LESS than the budget deficit for next year!
IE: we are paying zero for this now, it is all being paid for later. Like a giantic, monstrous Wimpy we have all decided to pay next Tuesday. Which never comes, of course.
Spending a penny on a boat is insanity since our entire domestic budget they passed is LESS than the budget deficit for next year!
IE: we are paying zero for this now, it is all being paid for later. Like a giantic, monstrous Wimpy we have all decided to pay next Tuesday. Which never comes, of course.
Elaine, that Wimpy image would be powerful! Wonder if it's in the public domain....
Elaine, that Wimpy image would be powerful! Wonder if it's in the public domain....
RE: If the DNC isn't on the ground tomorrow running ads saying Bush took your kid's Pell grant away so he could spend the money on a yacht they're fools...
No. There will not be any adds on TV tomorrow... I used to think the democrats were simply pathetic puzzies... now I'm convinced they are part of a scam to do little more than "pretend" to opose the rethugs...it's just more pro-biz policies [hush-hush] to the democratgs. KISS MY AZZ - I'M NEVER VOTING DEM AGAIN.
RE: If the DNC isn't on the ground tomorrow running ads saying Bush took your kid's Pell grant away so he could spend the money on a yacht they're fools...
No. There will not be any adds on TV tomorrow... I used to think the democrats were simply pathetic puzzies... now I'm convinced they are part of a scam to do little more than "pretend" to opose the rethugs...it's just more pro-biz policies [hush-hush] to the democratgs. KISS MY AZZ - I'M NEVER VOTING DEM AGAIN.
What are they going to call it?
Before or after OBL sinks it?
What are they going to call it?
Before or after OBL sinks it?
Elaine -- Brilliant! Now we should start raising money for the billboards!
Elaine -- Brilliant! Now we should start raising money for the billboards!
Plus, ya know, it would be just plain fun to pin the "wimp" factor label on jr.
Plus, ya know, it would be just plain fun to pin the "wimp" factor label on jr.
I would not count on the dems. They have already converted to red state mormonism as a strategy. It's save and they don't have to fight for us and they can still get all those perks and look important.
A popular uprising is the only hope left.
I would not count on the dems. They have already converted to red state mormonism as a strategy. It's save and they don't have to fight for us and they can still get all those perks and look important.
A popular uprising is the only hope left.
I can't believe my senators, Murray and Cantwell, voted for this. I sent them both a ping at www.senate.gov
"You voted for the Republican's monstrosity of a budget bill? Why does George Bush need a yacht?"
I can't believe my senators, Murray and Cantwell, voted for this. I sent them both a ping at www.senate.gov
"You voted for the Republican's monstrosity of a budget bill? Why does George Bush need a yacht?"
"The bill, for example, provides up to ... $250,000 for the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville."
i wasn't aware that the COUNTRY music hall of fame got its pork; but thanks to john mccain, he has repeatedly reminded me that the ROCK N ROLL hall of fame scored too.
"The bill, for example, provides up to ... $250,000 for the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville."
i wasn't aware that the COUNTRY music hall of fame got its pork; but thanks to john mccain, he has repeatedly reminded me that the ROCK N ROLL hall of fame scored too.
sekmet: How 'bout just spelling the original name a wee bit differently?
"SeekWarYeah!"
sekmet: How 'bout just spelling the original name a wee bit differently?
"SeekWarYeah!"
bkny -- do you know what budget the RR Hall of Fame appropriation came out of?
bkny -- do you know what budget the RR Hall of Fame appropriation came out of?
cs -- no, i don't. but he mentioned it again on mtp this a.m. i've seen him several times bring up the rnr hof $ for cleveland.
cs -- no, i don't. but he mentioned it again on mtp this a.m. i've seen him several times bring up the rnr hof $ for cleveland.
Re: "Cache" vs. "cachet": The French pronunciation for the former is indeed "cash"; educated English speakers however once used the word in oral language with a pronunciation using a long "a" sound, in order to differentiate between "cache" and the English "cash".
Of course, there are relatively few educated English speakers today, the media being the least among them, which is where the ridiculous "cachet" pronunciation comes in.
Re: "Cache" vs. "cachet": The French pronunciation for the former is indeed "cash"; educated English speakers however once used the word in oral language with a pronunciation using a long "a" sound, in order to differentiate between "cache" and the English "cash".
Of course, there are relatively few educated English speakers today, the media being the least among them, which is where the ridiculous "cachet" pronunciation comes in.
bkny -- "rnr hof $": Translation, please? I flipped to MTP this am, saw McCain in some "statesman" solemnity mode and switched off, just couldn't take it.
bkny -- "rnr hof $": Translation, please? I flipped to MTP this am, saw McCain in some "statesman" solemnity mode and switched off, just couldn't take it.
"rnr hof $" = Rock and Roll Hall of Fame money...
"rnr hof $" = Rock and Roll Hall of Fame money...
My daughter and I just got royally fucked by this Republican Congress and their Democratic collaborators. It's hard enough for a single mom to put a daughter through college, then to watch Clinton and Schumer and even Harkin vote with the Republicans to fuck you? I am sick about this.
My daughter and I just got royally fucked by this Republican Congress and their Democratic collaborators. It's hard enough for a single mom to put a daughter through college, then to watch Clinton and Schumer and even Harkin vote with the Republicans to fuck you? I am sick about this.
he wants a boat that's bigger than his daddy's (no, not the higher father)
he wants a boat that's bigger than his daddy's (no, not the higher father)
Downbound - Duh! So what's the context in which McCain feels compelled to bring this up?
Downbound - Duh! So what's the context in which McCain feels compelled to bring this up?
Sweet Sue, you hit the nail on the head. Bells and whistles (and a lot more) will indeed be needed.
Konopelli, thanks for the reality check on my lifeboat comment. I am, if nothing else, optimistic I suppose.
BTW, in glancing at MTP today, I noticed a poll among R's that McCain and Guiliani were tied atop the "who'd you like to see run" in 2008 sweepstakes (both had 10%), followed by Powell. Rice, Frist, Arnold and Jeb were at the bottom of the list (with 2% each I believe). I'll say it again, if Rudy (pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, pro-adultery) can get through the R's nomination process with all its hooey about the emergence of an evangelical influence, we all have been had.
Sweet Sue, you hit the nail on the head. Bells and whistles (and a lot more) will indeed be needed.
Konopelli, thanks for the reality check on my lifeboat comment. I am, if nothing else, optimistic I suppose.
BTW, in glancing at MTP today, I noticed a poll among R's that McCain and Guiliani were tied atop the "who'd you like to see run" in 2008 sweepstakes (both had 10%), followed by Powell. Rice, Frist, Arnold and Jeb were at the bottom of the list (with 2% each I believe). I'll say it again, if Rudy (pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control, pro-adultery) can get through the R's nomination process with all its hooey about the emergence of an evangelical influence, we all have been had.
cs, you asked for a translation, not an analysis. I suppose I should have understood that, but we engineering and computer types tend to be a bit on the literal side.
As for just what it means, I don't really have the knowledge to answer absolutely, but my guess is that he's latched on to a "waste" that resonates with all the Arizona C&W folks.
cs, you asked for a translation, not an analysis. I suppose I should have understood that, but we engineering and computer types tend to be a bit on the literal side.
As for just what it means, I don't really have the knowledge to answer absolutely, but my guess is that he's latched on to a "waste" that resonates with all the Arizona C&W folks.
We should use bush's yacht and the sneak IRS info to tar all the republicans with the accusation that they sought power for its own sake, and that they are abusing power because they think bush is royalty and the rest of us are peasants.
If only we had congressmen with the balls to do that kind of thing...a guy can dream, can't he?
We should use bush's yacht and the sneak IRS info to tar all the republicans with the accusation that they sought power for its own sake, and that they are abusing power because they think bush is royalty and the rest of us are peasants.
If only we had congressmen with the balls to do that kind of thing...a guy can dream, can't he?
Downbound -- I was just wondering if he talked about it in relation to the omnibus bill. And if so, why didn't he at least mention the Grand Ol' Oprey along with. Just curious to add to my sense of how big a pimp the guy really is . . .
Downbound -- I was just wondering if he talked about it in relation to the omnibus bill. And if so, why didn't he at least mention the Grand Ol' Oprey along with. Just curious to add to my sense of how big a pimp the guy really is . . .
This can be an issue we nationalize in 2006. The next time a rethuglican says they'll balance the budget by cutting "wasteful spending," we should mention this vote. Also, Clinton voting for it hurts her in 2008.
This can be an issue we nationalize in 2006. The next time a rethuglican says they'll balance the budget by cutting "wasteful spending," we should mention this vote. Also, Clinton voting for it hurts her in 2008.
I'd like to know that too. He's going to be my Senator shortly. On the other hand, I already know just how big the twin pimps of Kansas are...
I'd like to know that too. He's going to be my Senator shortly. On the other hand, I already know just how big the twin pimps of Kansas are...
I'm still pissed about the insurance crap! We pay for THEIR insurance. We, the common people! pay for their insurance. We are being fleeced with our eyes wide open.
I'm still pissed about the insurance crap! We pay for THEIR insurance. We, the common people! pay for their insurance. We are being fleeced with our eyes wide open.
I like the idea of taking Saddam's yacht for our President's use. Someone please follow up on that.
However, given the times we live in, is a Presidential yacht practical in any sense due to the increased need for security? Maybe cabinet officers could use it, but the security you'd have to have if the President is aboard would be extremely expensive and difficult.
I like the idea of taking Saddam's yacht for our President's use. Someone please follow up on that.
However, given the times we live in, is a Presidential yacht practical in any sense due to the increased need for security? Maybe cabinet officers could use it, but the security you'd have to have if the President is aboard would be extremely expensive and difficult.
oldwhitelady, the folks in power think of us as, to quote Blazing Saddles, "... the common clay... You know: morons!" And too many of us fail to disabuse them of the notion. Those of us with eyes wide open are like the little child in the Emporor's New Clothes -- we point and say "Look!" Only in the real world, the rest of the people turn and beat the crap out of the little kid for being rude.
oldwhitelady, the folks in power think of us as, to quote Blazing Saddles, "... the common clay... You know: morons!" And too many of us fail to disabuse them of the notion. Those of us with eyes wide open are like the little child in the Emporor's New Clothes -- we point and say "Look!" Only in the real world, the rest of the people turn and beat the crap out of the little kid for being rude.
Downbound -- Ah, tant pis. Well, at least they say it's a dry heat . . .
Downbound -- Ah, tant pis. Well, at least they say it's a dry heat . . .
We have millions uninsured, millions more slipping into poverty. College tuition has gone up 58% in the UC sytem in CA in the last 4 years. 38% of chilren in Fresno county go to bed hungry. Fresno Unified had to eliminate librarians, and the music program from all elementary schools because of budget shortfalls. How in the fuck can anyone justify buying this boat. You all might think that 2 million is no biggies in the scheme of things, I know a school district in Fresno that would kill to have 2 million to restore their music, and library systems.
We have millions uninsured, millions more slipping into poverty. College tuition has gone up 58% in the UC sytem in CA in the last 4 years. 38% of chilren in Fresno county go to bed hungry. Fresno Unified had to eliminate librarians, and the music program from all elementary schools because of budget shortfalls. How in the fuck can anyone justify buying this boat. You all might think that 2 million is no biggies in the scheme of things, I know a school district in Fresno that would kill to have 2 million to restore their music, and library systems.
It is a dry heat. I was there in early September and it was 108. In Kansas that would have been like wading in a sauna, but there it was just a hot day.
For whatever that's worth.
At least there are mountains. I'm tired of grain elevators being the tallest things on the horizon.
It is a dry heat. I was there in early September and it was 108. In Kansas that would have been like wading in a sauna, but there it was just a hot day.
For whatever that's worth.
At least there are mountains. I'm tired of grain elevators being the tallest things on the horizon.
Queen Elizabeth sold her yacht some years ago. She used it to visit foreign lands. (What a novel idea to King George). PR lesson needed desperately.
Queen Elizabeth sold her yacht some years ago. She used it to visit foreign lands. (What a novel idea to King George). PR lesson needed desperately.
why does he need a yacht? i thought he and his cronies could just walk on water...no boat required.
why does he need a yacht? i thought he and his cronies could just walk on water...no boat required.
Downbound -- The dry heat is joke my ersatz Brother-in-Law and I bat back 'n forth. He lives in AZ and loves the mountains and desert. He sends simply breath-taking photos now and then.
Downbound -- The dry heat is joke my ersatz Brother-in-Law and I bat back 'n forth. He lives in AZ and loves the mountains and desert. He sends simply breath-taking photos now and then.
Let them eat cake.
Let them eat cake.
I was really rooting for San Fran or Seattle, but my wife's job opening was there, so there we're going. Anywhere but here...
I was really rooting for San Fran or Seattle, but my wife's job opening was there, so there we're going. Anywhere but here...
Downbound -- Well, I wish you and your family all good fortune . . .
Downbound -- Well, I wish you and your family all good fortune . . .
Just sent Harry Reid an email, urging him to re-establish The Golden Fleece awards. I hope to get at least some response from one of his staffers! My newspaper will be next . . . . .
Just sent Harry Reid an email, urging him to re-establish The Golden Fleece awards. I hope to get at least some response from one of his staffers! My newspaper will be next . . . . .
I'm serious. If the DNC isn't on the ground tomorrow running ads saying Bush took your kid's Pell grant away so he could spend the money on a yacht they're fools
I think they'll respond with (a) a strategy to remain noticeably silent, to encourage Repugs to be polite about any Demcrat-owned luxury water transport in '08 or (b) a strategy to remain noticeably silent to show the base how quietly cunning the party is in choosing its battles.
We've already had two appalling weeks of unacceptable Republican Palace bullshit since 11/03. The usual Dem sofa warriors have been more engaged since battling the "real" enemy (Libruls) and jockeying for who'll have the comfiest seating in the Dem lounge for the next four years than opposing our masters and overlords.
(Oh yeah, and fighting over who gets control of the volunteers and donors' database -- as if THIS chump is going to be their b'yatch again if the last 2 wks is a preview of the next 2-4 yrs.)
I'm serious. If the DNC isn't on the ground tomorrow running ads saying Bush took your kid's Pell grant away so he could spend the money on a yacht they're fools
I think they'll respond with (a) a strategy to remain noticeably silent, to encourage Repugs to be polite about any Demcrat-owned luxury water transport in '08 or (b) a strategy to remain noticeably silent to show the base how quietly cunning the party is in choosing its battles.
We've already had two appalling weeks of unacceptable Republican Palace bullshit since 11/03. The usual Dem sofa warriors have been more engaged since battling the "real" enemy (Libruls) and jockeying for who'll have the comfiest seating in the Dem lounge for the next four years than opposing our masters and overlords.
(Oh yeah, and fighting over who gets control of the volunteers and donors' database -- as if THIS chump is going to be their b'yatch again if the last 2 wks is a preview of the next 2-4 yrs.)
Dunno, I'm of two minds. there's something to be said for getting the Sequoia into the hands of the Smithsonian.
I have a soft spot for the Sequoia, which I associate with FDR. (I read a lot of history.)
OTOH, anything to beat the Rethugs over the head with. It was largely because the Rethugs had Rush and hate radio in '93 that they were able to keep that damned haircut story going for so long.
We don't have anything comparable.
Instead, when the Rethugs blast one of our guys, Democrats on TV and the "internets" start blasting him, too. "How dare he not be perfect! He's a wimp! He's a sellout!"
Dunno, I'm of two minds. there's something to be said for getting the Sequoia into the hands of the Smithsonian.
I have a soft spot for the Sequoia, which I associate with FDR. (I read a lot of history.)
OTOH, anything to beat the Rethugs over the head with. It was largely because the Rethugs had Rush and hate radio in '93 that they were able to keep that damned haircut story going for so long.
We don't have anything comparable.
Instead, when the Rethugs blast one of our guys, Democrats on TV and the "internets" start blasting him, too. "How dare he not be perfect! He's a wimp! He's a sellout!"
Jennifer, thnx for the language history tidbit. I whipped out (OK, lugged out) my Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, took the magnifying glass out of its little built-in drawer, and checked out the pronounciation: rhymes with cash, but then the Compact doesn't go through pronounciation shifts.
Now, to get further OT, how about "niche"? Oxford cites usages since the 1600's in writing and, as of this century, rhymes it with "itch." Ditto Webster's New World (1959). About 10-12 years ago I heard a marketing VP at my company say "neesh." I had great respect for this guy since he pronounced "ersatz" correctly; but, the Oxford did not support his pronounciation. However, within 2 months, everyone in marketing was saying "neesh."
Sheesh.
Increasingly,the "neesh" crowd seems to be expanding its purview--NPR (just this morning), you name it. Some people are deeply conflicted and say something like "neetch" or "nish" (more rare in my hearing).
I've been wondering if it's simply that a word long used in English, but out of common parlance, came back through the marketing/PR world and was spoken by people who knew some French but didn't know the word had a long and honorable English heritage. Or, is it a Northeastern regionalism?
I grew up in the Upper Midwest and only heard "niche" as
"nitch," usually applied to a small, often vaulted, recessed area in a wall, for a vase or statue or a small recessed seating area.
Jennifer, thnx for the language history tidbit. I whipped out (OK, lugged out) my Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, took the magnifying glass out of its little built-in drawer, and checked out the pronounciation: rhymes with cash, but then the Compact doesn't go through pronounciation shifts.
Now, to get further OT, how about "niche"? Oxford cites usages since the 1600's in writing and, as of this century, rhymes it with "itch." Ditto Webster's New World (1959). About 10-12 years ago I heard a marketing VP at my company say "neesh." I had great respect for this guy since he pronounced "ersatz" correctly; but, the Oxford did not support his pronounciation. However, within 2 months, everyone in marketing was saying "neesh."
Sheesh.
Increasingly,the "neesh" crowd seems to be expanding its purview--NPR (just this morning), you name it. Some people are deeply conflicted and say something like "neetch" or "nish" (more rare in my hearing).
I've been wondering if it's simply that a word long used in English, but out of common parlance, came back through the marketing/PR world and was spoken by people who knew some French but didn't know the word had a long and honorable English heritage. Or, is it a Northeastern regionalism?
I grew up in the Upper Midwest and only heard "niche" as
"nitch," usually applied to a small, often vaulted, recessed area in a wall, for a vase or statue or a small recessed seating area.
That's a flat-out pay-off to the Gaylord family which owns virtually all the media in Oklahoma, as well as Opryland and virtually controls the CMHF, in Nashville, iirc...
For what it's worth, the Gaylord family hasn't been running Gaylord Entertainment since 2001, and they are no longer the largest stockholder, having sold nearly six million shares in April. The largest shareholder in Gaylord Entertainment is now Gabelli Funds, based in NYC.
Gaylord Entertainment presently owns and operates the Grand Ole Opry, Opryland Hotel, the Ryman Auditorium, the General Jackson riverboat, the Wildhorse Saloon in downtown Nashville, WSM-AM, and a golf course near Opryland in east suburban Nashville, as well as several other hotels across the country. It also holds a minority interest in the Nashville Predators NHL franchise.It appears that WSM is Gaylord Entertainment's only remaining broadcasting operation.
The original Opryland USA theme park that Roy Acuff opened in 1972 was closed in 1997 and demolished to make way for Opry Mills, a shopping mall owned and operated by the Mills Corporation.
The Country Music Hall of Fame is, and has been since its opening in 1967, operated by the Country Music Foundation, a non-profit educational organization. It is one of 750 museums nationwide to be accredited by the American Association of Museums.
The new facility into which the CMHF moved in 2001 was funded by donations from the Country Music Foundation, the Frist Foundation, Gaylord Entertainment, Dollar General Corporation, Mike Curb, the city of Nashville, and a long list of country artists.
The facility known as the Gaylord Entertainment Center was built in 1996 as the Nashville Arena by the Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County, which continues to own and operate this facility as well as the Nashville Coliseum (formerly Adelphia Coliseum) on the east bank of the Cumberland. Gaylord Entertainment paid $80 million in 1999 for naming rights to the Arena.
The convention center across the street from both the Gaylord Entertainment Center and the Ryman Auditorium has been owned and operated by Metro government since its opening in 1985.
That's a flat-out pay-off to the Gaylord family which owns virtually all the media in Oklahoma, as well as Opryland and virtually controls the CMHF, in Nashville, iirc...
For what it's worth, the Gaylord family hasn't been running Gaylord Entertainment since 2001, and they are no longer the largest stockholder, having sold nearly six million shares in April. The largest shareholder in Gaylord Entertainment is now Gabelli Funds, based in NYC.
Gaylord Entertainment presently owns and operates the Grand Ole Opry, Opryland Hotel, the Ryman Auditorium, the General Jackson riverboat, the Wildhorse Saloon in downtown Nashville, WSM-AM, and a golf course near Opryland in east suburban Nashville, as well as several other hotels across the country. It also holds a minority interest in the Nashville Predators NHL franchise.It appears that WSM is Gaylord Entertainment's only remaining broadcasting operation.
The original Opryland USA theme park that Roy Acuff opened in 1972 was closed in 1997 and demolished to make way for Opry Mills, a shopping mall owned and operated by the Mills Corporation.
The Country Music Hall of Fame is, and has been since its opening in 1967, operated by the Country Music Foundation, a non-profit educational organization. It is one of 750 museums nationwide to be accredited by the American Association of Museums.
The new facility into which the CMHF moved in 2001 was funded by donations from the Country Music Foundation, the Frist Foundation, Gaylord Entertainment, Dollar General Corporation, Mike Curb, the city of Nashville, and a long list of country artists.
The facility known as the Gaylord Entertainment Center was built in 1996 as the Nashville Arena by the Metropolitan Government of Nashville and Davidson County, which continues to own and operate this facility as well as the Nashville Coliseum (formerly Adelphia Coliseum) on the east bank of the Cumberland. Gaylord Entertainment paid $80 million in 1999 for naming rights to the Arena.
The convention center across the street from both the Gaylord Entertainment Center and the Ryman Auditorium has been owned and operated by Metro government since its opening in 1985.
Kind of like "homage" (home-age) becoming "ho-majjj?"
Kind of like "homage" (home-age) becoming "ho-majjj?"
It is interesting to note that the Library at the new CMHF is named after one or more members of the Frist family.
It is interesting to note that the Library at the new CMHF is named after one or more members of the Frist family.
I liken changing media laziness (read "on bended knee ,the press and
Reagan admin.") and accepted unthinking opinion (popular belief?)
to trying to turn the exxon valdez.
you gotta start early,and every little push helps.
I liken changing media laziness (read "on bended knee ,the press and
Reagan admin.") and accepted unthinking opinion (popular belief?)
to trying to turn the exxon valdez.
you gotta start early,and every little push helps.
The folks who 'own' the yacht are doing a very good job of keeping it in good shape. And some of the oldsters seem to be Democrats - they treat Roosevelt's quarters and artifacts with respect.
The folks who 'own' the yacht are doing a very good job of keeping it in good shape. And some of the oldsters seem to be Democrats - they treat Roosevelt's quarters and artifacts with respect.
'Nitch' is one of those words that's been 'de-familiarised' by being used out of its everyday context. If you showed someone, especially an older person, a recess in a wall, especially in a church, they'd say 'oh, that's a nitch'.
If you told them it was the same word, and same spelling, as 'niche', they probably wouldn't believe you.
I'm scared, though, that 'nucular' will become an Official American Pronunciation by 2008.
'Nitch' is one of those words that's been 'de-familiarised' by being used out of its everyday context. If you showed someone, especially an older person, a recess in a wall, especially in a church, they'd say 'oh, that's a nitch'.
If you told them it was the same word, and same spelling, as 'niche', they probably wouldn't believe you.
I'm scared, though, that 'nucular' will become an Official American Pronunciation by 2008.
A rising tide lifts all boats...unless you don't have a boat, in which case you'll fucking drown. 
A rising tide lifts all boats...unless you don't have a boat, in which case you'll fucking drown.
Yeah, but, um... the DNC leadership *are* fools.
They will sit by quietly as this story fades into the night...
Props to the 30 senators who had the balls to vote against shit like this.
Yeah, but, um... the DNC leadership *are* fools.
They will sit by quietly as this story fades into the night...
Props to the 30 senators who had the balls to vote against shit like this.
What does he need a yacht for? He lives in teh US, not fucking Iceland. Oh well, maybe (God willing) he'll go out by himself. There's no way he'd know how to naviagate that thing.
What does he need a yacht for? He lives in teh US, not fucking Iceland. Oh well, maybe (God willing) he'll go out by himself. There's no way he'd know how to naviagate that thing.
Of course. What self-respecting Empire doesn't have the Imperial Yacht? But it wont matter to the whackjob bible-banging fundies who helped put the creep in there. As long as he bashes gays, God sits on his throne in Heaven; Jesus is on his right and Dubya on his left.
Incognito
well, if it weren't for the budget deficit he'd be getting one of these babies
Of course. What self-respecting Empire doesn't have the Imperial Yacht? But it wont matter to the whackjob bible-banging fundies who helped put the creep in there. As long as he bashes gays, God sits on his throne in Heaven; Jesus is on his right and Dubya on his left.
Incognito
well, if it weren't for the budget deficit he'd be getting one of these babies
Sorry to disappoint you but, sadly, the dems are both fools and incompetents. For the most part they supported the resolution giving Bush a blank check to go into Iraq - largely because they were afraid of the political consequences of voting against Bush. Now we must all suffer the consequences of their cowardice - four more years of Bush and no living thing.
Sorry to disappoint you but, sadly, the dems are both fools and incompetents. For the most part they supported the resolution giving Bush a blank check to go into Iraq - largely because they were afraid of the political consequences of voting against Bush. Now we must all suffer the consequences of their cowardice - four more years of Bush and no living thing.
Make that: no living thing safe.
Make that: no living thing safe.
How about "pronunciation" instead of my misspellings above.
Aaaarrrghhh.
How about "pronunciation" instead of my misspellings above.
Aaaarrrghhh.
Just sent the following to Congressman David Wu:
"I am completely disappointed by your vote in favor of the omnibus appropriations bill. From my point of view, this was even worse -- no, I'll be blunt -- stupider than your vote for the fraudulent Medicare reform bill. You now realize that you unwittingly voted in favor of a sweeping invasion of Americans' tax returns; I wonder whether this will help you come to the realization that the Republican congressional leadership should not be trusted AT ALL, and your constituents do not expect you to cooperate with legislation that undermines basic American freedoms.
Please tell me you learned something from this. Otherwise I am faced with the dilemma of deciding whether there is any difference between an enemy and an incompetent friend."
Just sent the following to Congressman David Wu:
"I am completely disappointed by your vote in favor of the omnibus appropriations bill. From my point of view, this was even worse -- no, I'll be blunt -- stupider than your vote for the fraudulent Medicare reform bill. You now realize that you unwittingly voted in favor of a sweeping invasion of Americans' tax returns; I wonder whether this will help you come to the realization that the Republican congressional leadership should not be trusted AT ALL, and your constituents do not expect you to cooperate with legislation that undermines basic American freedoms.
Please tell me you learned something from this. Otherwise I am faced with the dilemma of deciding whether there is any difference between an enemy and an incompetent friend."
Yacht?
He really thinks he's a king.
Maybe we need to do what the Russian people did in 1917.
Where is a "suicider" when we need one?
Yacht?
He really thinks he's a king.
Maybe we need to do what the Russian people did in 1917.
Where is a "suicider" when we need one?
-- USS "Mission Accomplished"
-- I think the most apropos ho-majjj to the whole cash of pretentious usage-manglers, with their hollow cashay born of desperation, would be to cement the lot of them into a neesh.
I also dislike the still-favored custom of using "an" instead of "a" before words beginning with H. "An" homage, my ass. I don't know why people stick with this pretentious, phony anachronism. It is about as authentic a mark of distinction as a tuxedo t-shirt.
-- USS "Mission Accomplished"
-- I think the most apropos ho-majjj to the whole cash of pretentious usage-manglers, with their hollow cashay born of desperation, would be to cement the lot of them into a neesh.
I also dislike the still-favored custom of using "an" instead of "a" before words beginning with H. "An" homage, my ass. I don't know why people stick with this pretentious, phony anachronism. It is about as authentic a mark of distinction as a tuxedo t-shirt.
Little Bro: Silent "h," use "an." It derives from being easier to pronounce.
So, "an homage," "an honor," but "a history," "a hysterical outburst of pedantic grammar mongering."
But, seriously, anyone know if "neesh" pronunciation for "niche" is a regionalism or neologism (so not sure of the last term's applicability)?
Little Bro: Silent "h," use "an." It derives from being easier to pronounce.
So, "an homage," "an honor," but "a history," "a hysterical outburst of pedantic grammar mongering."
But, seriously, anyone know if "neesh" pronunciation for "niche" is a regionalism or neologism (so not sure of the last term's applicability)?
The printed bill they voted on was apparently 14 inches high, and presented to them about a half-hour before the vote.
This is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. How can they get away with this crap again and again.
Big stinks should be made about this, and about the IRS thing, and let's not forget how they're sneaking in actual legislation into all this pork as well. Now hospitals and clinics can tell you they won't let you have an abortion with absolutely NO repercussions.
And if we're not on the phone with our reps first thing tomorrow about this crap there's something wrong with US.
The printed bill they voted on was apparently 14 inches high, and presented to them about a half-hour before the vote.
This is simply wrong, wrong, wrong. How can they get away with this crap again and again.
Big stinks should be made about this, and about the IRS thing, and let's not forget how they're sneaking in actual legislation into all this pork as well. Now hospitals and clinics can tell you they won't let you have an abortion with absolutely NO repercussions.
And if we're not on the phone with our reps first thing tomorrow about this crap there's something wrong with US.
Thomas Jefferson [et fucking AL] would want that yacht blown the fuck up while these fucking neofeudalists look on in security and happiness thinking everything's fine. *He wouldn't want anyone hurt*, but a "US presidential yacht" really fucking needs to not exist. What are the Secret Service über-patriot types thinking when they hear about this?
Thomas Jefferson [et fucking AL] would want that yacht blown the fuck up while these fucking neofeudalists look on in security and happiness thinking everything's fine. *He wouldn't want anyone hurt*, but a "US presidential yacht" really fucking needs to not exist. What are the Secret Service über-patriot types thinking when they hear about this?
When we write to our papers about this boat W wants, make sure to call it a $2 million boat.
A $2 million 104 foot antique boat so he can take his fatcat donors on boat rides in style. No Lincoln Bedroom slumber partise for these people, no no. They get the boat ride on the $2 million boat.
It's not just any boat, it's a $2 million boat.
How many hours of college for kids with Pell grants would that pay for? How many sets of body armor for troops in harm's way? But that's not important. What's important is a $2 million boat for W to take his rich friends for boat rides on.
When we write to our papers about this boat W wants, make sure to call it a $2 million boat.
A $2 million 104 foot antique boat so he can take his fatcat donors on boat rides in style. No Lincoln Bedroom slumber partise for these people, no no. They get the boat ride on the $2 million boat.
It's not just any boat, it's a $2 million boat.
How many hours of college for kids with Pell grants would that pay for? How many sets of body armor for troops in harm's way? But that's not important. What's important is a $2 million boat for W to take his rich friends for boat rides on.
THANK YOU ATRIOS!!! The solution is WWRD
"What Would Republicans Do..."
Dems will win when they start THINKING like Republicans - imagine if Kerry got a Yacht, what would Republicans do. Start there and THEN you'll start winning!
THANK YOU ATRIOS!!! The solution is WWRD
"What Would Republicans Do..."
Dems will win when they start THINKING like Republicans - imagine if Kerry got a Yacht, what would Republicans do. Start there and THEN you'll start winning!
At least he's not wind surfing. That's the sport of effete elitists out of touch with the common man.
At least he's not wind surfing. That's the sport of effete elitists out of touch with the common man.
has anyone documented the atrocities? I mean the sunday morning idiot parade?
has anyone documented the atrocities? I mean the sunday morning idiot parade?
Carter goofed when he sold the presidential yacht. The president should have a yacht so he can entertain foreign heads of state and others. Sure, if Democrats are totally intellectually bankrupt they can waste money on dumb ads criticizing a presidential yacht, and if Atrios is still in campaign mode, he can flush his own money down the toilet on his dumb idea for ads.
Carter goofed when he sold the presidential yacht. The president should have a yacht so he can entertain foreign heads of state and others. Sure, if Democrats are totally intellectually bankrupt they can waste money on dumb ads criticizing a presidential yacht, and if Atrios is still in campaign mode, he can flush his own money down the toilet on his dumb idea for ads.
Dems can't run ads criticizing Bush's yacht because so many of them stupidly voted for the bill.
I'm really getting sick of this.
Dems can't run ads criticizing Bush's yacht because so many of them stupidly voted for the bill.
I'm really getting sick of this.
Painfully obvious, yes, the need for Dems to hit this hard and fast. Equally important is the need to do it in such a way as to remind libertarians and "conservatives" (the ones who don't like these shenanigans but think the GOP is the 'lesser evil') that the Repubs are NOT their party.
They're corporate fascists posing as populists. Expose them. Every day.
Painfully obvious, yes, the need for Dems to hit this hard and fast. Equally important is the need to do it in such a way as to remind libertarians and "conservatives" (the ones who don't like these shenanigans but think the GOP is the 'lesser evil') that the Repubs are NOT their party.
They're corporate fascists posing as populists. Expose them. Every day.
At least he's not wind surfing. That's the sport of effete elitists out of touch with the common man.
Best line I've seen all day. Corrente earns a link in American Drama.
At least he's not wind surfing. That's the sport of effete elitists out of touch with the common man.
Best line I've seen all day. Corrente earns a link in American Drama.
Look jerks, he's the CEO of the free world. He only makes 400 grand a year and gets called every name from Hitler to Satan by every liberal DemocRAT in the country, and countless lies have been told about him for almost four years now. I think he deserves more that a freakin' yacht; he deserves the QE2!!!
Look jerks, he's the CEO of the free world. He only makes 400 grand a year and gets called every name from Hitler to Satan by every liberal DemocRAT in the country, and countless lies have been told about him for almost four years now. I think he deserves more that a freakin' yacht; he deserves the QE2!!!
yacht smyacht...local tv news had some great thanksgiving tips. did you realize removing the turkey from the oven is easier with oven mitts??? crikey, and all these years i've been gingerly holding my silverware with the cracked and blistering tips of my oozing fingers. also loved the 5 part series on the peeping fiend nocturnally emmiting on the windowpanes of hot sexy young babes.
now that's what i call anewscast!
ahoy, captn president, my compliments to your corporate lackeys!!!
yacht smyacht...local tv news had some great thanksgiving tips. did you realize removing the turkey from the oven is easier with oven mitts??? crikey, and all these years i've been gingerly holding my silverware with the cracked and blistering tips of my oozing fingers. also loved the 5 part series on the peeping fiend nocturnally emmiting on the windowpanes of hot sexy young babes.
now that's what i call anewscast!
ahoy, captn president, my compliments to your corporate lackeys!!!
oooh, mr. keefer, your righteous anger is so faux manly. i'm melting.
oooh, mr. keefer, your righteous anger is so faux manly. i'm melting.
no keefer, the 'free world' did not select him to be their leader. But if you think he deserves a yacht, why don't just pass the hat with other like minded folks and buy it for him? What happened to private charity taking the place of government handouts?
no keefer, the 'free world' did not select him to be their leader. But if you think he deserves a yacht, why don't just pass the hat with other like minded folks and buy it for him? What happened to private charity taking the place of government handouts?
Let us not play stupid, Dems. This is about the smallest issue out there. You may go apoplectic at the meer mention of the word yacht, but most people don't. Especially when the Repugs remind us that John Kennedy went on many cruises on this same boat, cryers of doom will look pretty dumb.
Let us not play stupid, Dems. This is about the smallest issue out there. You may go apoplectic at the meer mention of the word yacht, but most people don't. Especially when the Repugs remind us that John Kennedy went on many cruises on this same boat, cryers of doom will look pretty dumb.
Only 30 votes against? How many Democrats voted for this?????
Downtown Lad (Gay Conservative)
Only 30 votes against? How many Democrats voted for this?????
Downtown Lad (Gay Conservative)
Keefer, shut the fuck up, will you!
Keefer, shut the fuck up, will you!
and countless lies have been told about him for almost four years now.
Yep.
Lies like "he's a decent man," and "he's a Christian," and "he's God's own president" and "he's a compassionate person" and "he's a human being" and "he's intelligent" and "he's competent" and "he's got good people working for him" and "he's not a traitor to this country" and "he's not a poison to democracy" and many other such things.
Countless lies.
and countless lies have been told about him for almost four years now.
Yep.
Lies like "he's a decent man," and "he's a Christian," and "he's God's own president" and "he's a compassionate person" and "he's a human being" and "he's intelligent" and "he's competent" and "he's got good people working for him" and "he's not a traitor to this country" and "he's not a poison to democracy" and many other such things.
Countless lies.
The yacht -- it's a visual. Voice over re Congress, money, whatever, while running tape of this boat that 98 percent of us can't afford.
Tax returns -- another visual. Roll Nixon with a voiceover that hits enemies lists, the depths of Watergate, the Republicans getting drunk with power again, etc.
DeLay vote -- roll tape showing a perp walk (any tangentially related RepubliTexan perp will do), voice over about Repubs allowing indicted felons to retain powerful Congressional offices, etc.
It all translates into visuals that people will respond to. Do a Karl Rove with this stuff. We're already into the next election cycle, dammit.
The yacht -- it's a visual. Voice over re Congress, money, whatever, while running tape of this boat that 98 percent of us can't afford.
Tax returns -- another visual. Roll Nixon with a voiceover that hits enemies lists, the depths of Watergate, the Republicans getting drunk with power again, etc.
DeLay vote -- roll tape showing a perp walk (any tangentially related RepubliTexan perp will do), voice over about Repubs allowing indicted felons to retain powerful Congressional offices, etc.
It all translates into visuals that people will respond to. Do a Karl Rove with this stuff. We're already into the next election cycle, dammit.
Where else will he wear his flight suit?
Where else will he wear his flight suit?
During the debates, Bush did mention sending people to Community Colleges. Perhaps he knew no one with less than a mint would be able to afford an education.
During the debates, Bush did mention sending people to Community Colleges. Perhaps he knew no one with less than a mint would be able to afford an education.
Are y'all sure it's the Sequoia and not another yacht?
The Sequoia cost $5 million to upgrade. Rents for $10,000 for 4 hours (according to their website)
Why would they sell at a loss of $3 million?
However, there is another Presidential Yacht out there in need of restoration.
The SS Williamsburg
An organization has been formed with the goal of returning Williamsburg to the US for restoration and preservation. The USS Williamsburg Preservation Society may be contacted at 262 McLaws Circle, Suite 203, Williamsburg, VA 23187. Photo courtesy of the USS Williamsburg Preservation Society.
USS Williamsburg Preservation Society, Inc.
352 Hickory Point Road
Pasadena, MD 21122
(410) 437-0652
Email: kimnlulu@aol.com
Louise B. Nielsen, President
This organization is working to return presidential yacht USS Williamsburg (AGC-369) from Italy for restoration and service as an excursion vessel.
Are y'all sure it's the Sequoia and not another yacht?
The Sequoia cost $5 million to upgrade. Rents for $10,000 for 4 hours (according to their website)
Why would they sell at a loss of $3 million?
However, there is another Presidential Yacht out there in need of restoration.
The SS Williamsburg
An organization has been formed with the goal of returning Williamsburg to the US for restoration and preservation. The USS Williamsburg Preservation Society may be contacted at 262 McLaws Circle, Suite 203, Williamsburg, VA 23187. Photo courtesy of the USS Williamsburg Preservation Society.
USS Williamsburg Preservation Society, Inc.
352 Hickory Point Road
Pasadena, MD 21122
(410) 437-0652
Email: kimnlulu@aol.com
Louise B. Nielsen, President
This organization is working to return presidential yacht USS Williamsburg (AGC-369) from Italy for restoration and service as an excursion vessel.
The Dems are still polling to see what to do next.
As Carville said, the purpose of a political party is to win elections.
Apparently this is the new goal of Democrats everywhere: emulate the GOP and keep your job. Fuck the New Deal. Fuck the Great Society. This is all about job security.
The Dems are still polling to see what to do next.
As Carville said, the purpose of a political party is to win elections.
Apparently this is the new goal of Democrats everywhere: emulate the GOP and keep your job. Fuck the New Deal. Fuck the Great Society. This is all about job security.
I think Dems have to be really careful on this.
Criticism could back fire if it turns out the intention was to buy a boat in need of renovation.
Also google another Presidential yacht in need of renovation: ARAS.
I think Dems have to be really careful on this.
Criticism could back fire if it turns out the intention was to buy a boat in need of renovation.
Also google another Presidential yacht in need of renovation: ARAS.
We should take Larry Niven's example and christen it the "Lying Bastard."
We should take Larry Niven's example and christen it the "Lying Bastard."
Presidential Yacht Captains for Truth.
Presidential Yacht Captains for Truth.
U.S.S Weapon of Mass Displacement?
U.S.S Weapon of Mass Displacement?
USS Compassion
USS Compassion
"I think Dems have to be really careful on this.
Criticism could back fire"
Gosh, we wouldn't want a back fire would we? That might lead to Republicans controlling all three branches of the federal government!
Have you figured it out yet folks? The DNC is not going to do jack shit about Republican thuggery. They are a group of losers interested only in getting you to donate money to them so they can think up ever more banal ways to run losing campaigns. They're sure to be very careful about it too...
"I think Dems have to be really careful on this.
Criticism could back fire"
Gosh, we wouldn't want a back fire would we? That might lead to Republicans controlling all three branches of the federal government!
Have you figured it out yet folks? The DNC is not going to do jack shit about Republican thuggery. They are a group of losers interested only in getting you to donate money to them so they can think up ever more banal ways to run losing campaigns. They're sure to be very careful about it too...
Yeah, they ARE f(t)ools...complicit f(t)ools at that....
Political Physics
Yeah, they ARE f(t)ools...complicit f(t)ools at that....
Political Physics
Yeah, but Kerry windsurfs! That's the real scandal! (Sarcasm)
Yeah, but Kerry windsurfs! That's the real scandal! (Sarcasm)
The S.S. Chutzpah.
(Hey, Haloscan remembers me again!)
The S.S. Chutzpah.
(Hey, Haloscan remembers me again!)
U.S.S. Pretzel Logic
U.S.S. Pretzel Logic
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Dean and others already responded back in Nov. This is OLD news. check:
http://yubanet.com/artman/
publis...cle_15692.shtml
Dean and others already responded back in Nov. This is OLD news. check:
http://yubanet.com/artman/
publis...cle_15692.shtml
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