I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hi, upyernoze!
I think we already know the answer.
Hi, upyernoze!
I think we already know the answer.
"At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country."
heh - that's like saying
"At some point we will have to address whether the bear uses the facilities at the Hilton or, rather, shits in the woods."
"At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country."
heh - that's like saying
"At some point we will have to address whether the bear uses the facilities at the Hilton or, rather, shits in the woods."
This does seem like a no-brainer. You'd think it would be perfect for Chimpy.
This does seem like a no-brainer. You'd think it would be perfect for Chimpy.
At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country.
Well, considering Bush never admits to a mistake, the answer must be: We're doing great!
At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country.
Well, considering Bush never admits to a mistake, the answer must be: We're doing great!
Is there a highway to the danger zone?
Is there a highway to the danger zone?
NYMary beat me to it, but it explains why 'Danger Zone' was used for the campaign.
NYMary beat me to it, but it explains why 'Danger Zone' was used for the campaign.
I know how the Bushies will put a positive spin on this report. Change the words "Danger Zone" to "Viable
All of a sudden things aren't looking so bad, huh?
I know how the Bushies will put a positive spin on this report. Change the words "Danger Zone" to "Viable
All of a sudden things aren't looking so bad, huh?
I didn't see "cut and run" or "shit or get off the pot" in the chart.
I didn't see "cut and run" or "shit or get off the pot" in the chart.
Is anyone else seeing Texas quarters with "Bush Sucks" carved into them? I've run across a couple.
Is anyone else seeing Texas quarters with "Bush Sucks" carved into them? I've run across a couple.
It's classic Chimpy M.O.
Run whatever you're managing straight into the ground. Don't voters look at any of this shit before casting a ballot? Jeebus, you'd think the mouth-breather contingent could at LEAST grasp that concept...
It's classic Chimpy M.O.
Run whatever you're managing straight into the ground. Don't voters look at any of this shit before casting a ballot? Jeebus, you'd think the mouth-breather contingent could at LEAST grasp that concept...
John has already called this one.
Up to the instant the blade of the guillotine hits the back of his cowardly neck, the Chimperor will deny that anything can possibly be wrong.
John has already called this one.
Up to the instant the blade of the guillotine hits the back of his cowardly neck, the Chimperor will deny that anything can possibly be wrong.
Wheres the 'we're so fucked' category?
Wheres the 'we're so fucked' category?
We are in the same position the Soviet military was in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We are there to provide protection for a government we're trying to prop up, basically choosing sides in a civil war. Our presence isn't great enough to tip the scales in our favor so all we are doing is protracting the conflict. The best we can hope for at this point is a graceful exit, which seems unlikely considering how Rumsfeld runs things.
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time.
We are in the same position the Soviet military was in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We are there to provide protection for a government we're trying to prop up, basically choosing sides in a civil war. Our presence isn't great enough to tip the scales in our favor so all we are doing is protracting the conflict. The best we can hope for at this point is a graceful exit, which seems unlikely considering how Rumsfeld runs things.
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time.
Barndog - We are on the same track, need a new chart.
We're fucked, we're so fucked, cut and run, and it's Clinton's fault.
Barndog - We are on the same track, need a new chart.
We're fucked, we're so fucked, cut and run, and it's Clinton's fault.
Is there a highway to the danger zone?
GMTA! That's what I called my post.
And upyernoz, thanks for the plug. Great to see a Liberal Coalition brother backing up the Mighty Atrios!
Is there a highway to the danger zone?
GMTA! That's what I called my post.
And upyernoz, thanks for the plug. Great to see a Liberal Coalition brother backing up the Mighty Atrios!
We are in the same position the Soviet military was in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We are there to provide protection for a government we're trying to prop up, basically choosing sides in a civil war. Our presence isn't great enough to tip the scales in our favor so all we are doing is protracting the conflict.
I think there is a question of "Can any amount of additional force tip the balance in favor of a regime that is perceived as illegitimate?"
As I see it, the answer may well be "No", as additional force just creates more ability to commit acts which underscore the popular perception of illegitimacy.
We are in the same position the Soviet military was in Afghanistan in the 1980s. We are there to provide protection for a government we're trying to prop up, basically choosing sides in a civil war. Our presence isn't great enough to tip the scales in our favor so all we are doing is protracting the conflict.
I think there is a question of "Can any amount of additional force tip the balance in favor of a regime that is perceived as illegitimate?"
As I see it, the answer may well be "No", as additional force just creates more ability to commit acts which underscore the popular perception of illegitimacy.
Hey upyernoz! Good on you.
When do we finally get to say that Iraq was better off under Saddam?
Hey upyernoz! Good on you.
When do we finally get to say that Iraq was better off under Saddam?
Oh, but that's OK, things are gonna get better now, 'cuz the Preznit read a book: "My Pet Palestinian Goats!" Condi helped him with the tough words, and wiped the spittle off his chin when he was concentrating so hard he drooled, but Natan Sharansky had an inspirational story to tell about D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y coming to the Middle East! Dumb ol' Colin wanted to stay around longer and be mean to the Israelis and make them share with the ugly, dirty Arabs that don't believe in God, but Condi whispered, No, my Little Prince-ling, we're N-E-O-C-O-N-S now, we have a MAN DATE, we don't have to share with smelly A-rabs. So the grownups made stupid boring Powell go away, and now they would all live happily ever after, AMEN.
Oh, but that's OK, things are gonna get better now, 'cuz the Preznit read a book: "My Pet Palestinian Goats!" Condi helped him with the tough words, and wiped the spittle off his chin when he was concentrating so hard he drooled, but Natan Sharansky had an inspirational story to tell about D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y coming to the Middle East! Dumb ol' Colin wanted to stay around longer and be mean to the Israelis and make them share with the ugly, dirty Arabs that don't believe in God, but Condi whispered, No, my Little Prince-ling, we're N-E-O-C-O-N-S now, we have a MAN DATE, we don't have to share with smelly A-rabs. So the grownups made stupid boring Powell go away, and now they would all live happily ever after, AMEN.
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time.
You ought to say "the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun, rather than the Sun and planets around the Earth" instad of "the world was round", since the church held the Ptolemaic, geocentric, round-earth model from its earliest days until it finally accepted a heliocentric model.
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time.
You ought to say "the Earth and planets revolve around the Sun, rather than the Sun and planets around the Earth" instad of "the world was round", since the church held the Ptolemaic, geocentric, round-earth model from its earliest days until it finally accepted a heliocentric model.
OT,
Okay, I apologize for going OT so quickly, but, and this is pretty funny, while the word is that John Roberts, naturally, is going to take over for Dan Rather, there is another rumor circulating that CBS is going to look to change their target audience and go after Brit Hume.
The people at Black Rock deny this, of course.
OT,
Okay, I apologize for going OT so quickly, but, and this is pretty funny, while the word is that John Roberts, naturally, is going to take over for Dan Rather, there is another rumor circulating that CBS is going to look to change their target audience and go after Brit Hume.
The people at Black Rock deny this, of course.
Well, this thread is basically what I've been writing about for awhile now. It's over: Everybody Head For The High Ground.
It's TEOTWAWKI which the Hopi Indians know about, or,
The End Of The World As We Know It.
Well, this thread is basically what I've been writing about for awhile now. It's over: Everybody Head For The High Ground.
It's TEOTWAWKI which the Hopi Indians know about, or,
The End Of The World As We Know It.
Oh wow, NTodd, thank you for adding First Draft to the blogroll. Most kind of you, sir.
And I've missed you, by the way.
Oh wow, NTodd, thank you for adding First Draft to the blogroll. Most kind of you, sir.
And I've missed you, by the way.
Bush will never have to actually address whether Iraq is better off because he can just spout slogans like "Freedom is on the march!" and "They hate us for our freedoms!" and his wingnut followers will shout "USA USA USA!" Meanwhile, Iraqi women and children will continue to die.
Bush will never have to actually address whether Iraq is better off because he can just spout slogans like "Freedom is on the march!" and "They hate us for our freedoms!" and his wingnut followers will shout "USA USA USA!" Meanwhile, Iraqi women and children will continue to die.
When do we finally get to say that Iraq was better off under Saddam?
when we re-install him (after some plastic surgery and a name change).
When do we finally get to say that Iraq was better off under Saddam?
when we re-install him (after some plastic surgery and a name change).
When do we finally get to say that Iraq was better off under Saddam?
Right now, although we've been whispering it for months.
Everything Bush touches turns to shit.
Everything.
When do we finally get to say that Iraq was better off under Saddam?
Right now, although we've been whispering it for months.
Everything Bush touches turns to shit.
Everything.
And the good thing about THIS chart is that it works just as well for the US economy! Just change that slug at the top...
And the good thing about THIS chart is that it works just as well for the US economy! Just change that slug at the top...
Oh wow, NTodd, thank you for adding First Draft to the blogroll. Most kind of you, sir.
Sorry it took so long to update the LC roll. Eventually I get things done...
And I've missed you, by the way.
It's nice to be missed! I've missed me, too. Happy to be home for a couple weeks. 
Oh wow, NTodd, thank you for adding First Draft to the blogroll. Most kind of you, sir.
Sorry it took so long to update the LC roll. Eventually I get things done...
And I've missed you, by the way.
It's nice to be missed! I've missed me, too. Happy to be home for a couple weeks.
Incog, baby, if it is the end of the world as we know it, what good will going to the high ground do?
Might as well relax, my dear. You have no control over it and I'd say it makes more sense to just quit worrying about it and let it happen. If it is the end, what the hell can you do about it?
Incog, baby, if it is the end of the world as we know it, what good will going to the high ground do?
Might as well relax, my dear. You have no control over it and I'd say it makes more sense to just quit worrying about it and let it happen. If it is the end, what the hell can you do about it?
NTodd, I just saw this at your blog, came back here, and voila.
Glad you're feeling better.
NTodd, I just saw this at your blog, came back here, and voila.
Glad you're feeling better.
For Neo-Cons it will be:
Fun, Fun, Fun 'til our daddy takes our T'Bird away. Yay.
For Neo-Cons it will be:
Fun, Fun, Fun 'til our daddy takes our T'Bird away. Yay.
Might as well relax, my dear. You have no control over it and I'd say it makes more sense to just quit worrying about it and let it happen. If it is the end, what the hell can you do about it?
Tena
That's what I'm trying to [say]. The Hopi Indians are predicting an the end of an era. The end will be leading up to 2012 which we are in now when the Mayan calendar ends for the Americas.
Might as well relax, my dear. You have no control over it and I'd say it makes more sense to just quit worrying about it and let it happen. If it is the end, what the hell can you do about it?
Tena
That's what I'm trying to [say]. The Hopi Indians are predicting an the end of an era. The end will be leading up to 2012 which we are in now when the Mayan calendar ends for the Americas.
In light of the fact that twice as many Iraqi children are dying of starvation now than Saddam, our presence is disasterous. If the Lancet is even half right, 50,000 deaths, damn I'm getting depressed.
A Primal Liberal Screen
In light of the fact that twice as many Iraqi children are dying of starvation now than Saddam, our presence is disasterous. If the Lancet is even half right, 50,000 deaths, damn I'm getting depressed.
A Primal Liberal Screen
Bush will never have to actually address whether Iraq is better off because he can just spout slogans like "Freedom is on the march!" and "They hate us for our freedoms!" and his wingnut followers will shout "USA USA USA!" Meanwhile, Iraqi women and children will continue to die.
And men. Civilians, in many cases.
And American men and women -- more of whom are, we are now told, are needed to be sent to the meatgrinder in Iraq, so that the "pursuit phase" after the "success" in Fallujah can be most effective.
Bush will never have to actually address whether Iraq is better off because he can just spout slogans like "Freedom is on the march!" and "They hate us for our freedoms!" and his wingnut followers will shout "USA USA USA!" Meanwhile, Iraqi women and children will continue to die.
And men. Civilians, in many cases.
And American men and women -- more of whom are, we are now told, are needed to be sent to the meatgrinder in Iraq, so that the "pursuit phase" after the "success" in Fallujah can be most effective.
But wait, I thought Iraq was going good, didn't we just kill a whole bunch of people? Don't the Iraqis love us? Aren't we having elections in two months?
Come on, you guys just report the bad stuff, why just last week we blew up an entire city, that's gotta make a blip on the map right, right?
We are well and truly fucked
But wait, I thought Iraq was going good, didn't we just kill a whole bunch of people? Don't the Iraqis love us? Aren't we having elections in two months?
Come on, you guys just report the bad stuff, why just last week we blew up an entire city, that's gotta make a blip on the map right, right?
We are well and truly fucked
OT, but notice how the Brits seem to have prevented a "9/11 style" attack? I guess they read their memos...
OT, but notice how the Brits seem to have prevented a "9/11 style" attack? I guess they read their memos...
Why are we talking about death and sanitation?
Look! Laci's dead baby!
A fight at a sporting event!
Gays!
Why are we talking about death and sanitation?
Look! Laci's dead baby!
A fight at a sporting event!
Gays!
Incog, baby, if it is the end of the world as we know it, what good will going to the high ground do?
It'll shorten my commute for the Rapture.
Incog, baby, if it is the end of the world as we know it, what good will going to the high ground do?
It'll shorten my commute for the Rapture.
gays getting married!
gays getting married!
General JC - Oh, I didn't think of that of course because I'm an ungodly liberal. But why don't you gather as many of your kind as you can and take all of them up to the high ground. It'll be like a shortcut.
General JC - Oh, I didn't think of that of course because I'm an ungodly liberal. But why don't you gather as many of your kind as you can and take all of them up to the high ground. It'll be like a shortcut.
Look, I'm just trying to warn you people of what's coming. Being the messenger has always been perilous and I know that.
Look, I'm just trying to warn you people of what's coming. Being the messenger has always been perilous and I know that.
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer* or something close to that - words just uttered by a mother who said that abstinence education should be the only thing taught in middle schools. (NewsHour).
How did those early education anti-smoking and *Say no to drugs* programs work out?
Delusional.
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer* or something close to that - words just uttered by a mother who said that abstinence education should be the only thing taught in middle schools. (NewsHour).
How did those early education anti-smoking and *Say no to drugs* programs work out?
Delusional.
It'll shorten my commute for the Rapture.
Phhhffft. I have a Fast-Pass. I can use the Express Lanes.
It'll shorten my commute for the Rapture.
Phhhffft. I have a Fast-Pass. I can use the Express Lanes.
Incog - ok Blanche, I think we got it.
Incog - ok Blanche, I think we got it.
"At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country."
I think Smirky and Condi have already decided that the Iraqis are not thankful for all of our "help" and want us out, so we should leave.
"At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country."
I think Smirky and Condi have already decided that the Iraqis are not thankful for all of our "help" and want us out, so we should leave.
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer*
Wow, and antisex spokespurde really said that? Without giggling?
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer*
Wow, and antisex spokespurde really said that? Without giggling?
pie,
Delusional is right. WTF does that mean? If they bite mashed potatoes first they won't chew on them longer than they will on their second bite of beef jerkey. These people no longer even bother to string together coherent sentences.
pie,
Delusional is right. WTF does that mean? If they bite mashed potatoes first they won't chew on them longer than they will on their second bite of beef jerkey. These people no longer even bother to string together coherent sentences.
Wow, and antisex spokespurde really said that? Without giggling?
Yeah, she said it with a straight face. Idiot.
Wow, and antisex spokespurde really said that? Without giggling?
Yeah, she said it with a straight face. Idiot.
so we should leave.
hawkseye
do we take those air and military bases with us when we go? Or did we just create new staging areas for terrorists?
so we should leave.
hawkseye
do we take those air and military bases with us when we go? Or did we just create new staging areas for terrorists?
Incog, now you know how cassandra felt.
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Incog, now you know how cassandra felt.
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*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer*
on second pass, soup must fucking baffle them.
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer*
on second pass, soup must fucking baffle them.
Look, I'm just trying to warn you people of what's coming. Being the messenger has always been perilous and I know that.
You should follow the example set by the Prophet Elisha when his baldness was mocked by naughty children. Have the Lord send she-bears to eat your detractors.
Look, I'm just trying to warn you people of what's coming. Being the messenger has always been perilous and I know that.
You should follow the example set by the Prophet Elisha when his baldness was mocked by naughty children. Have the Lord send she-bears to eat your detractors.
5000 quatloos says we will make a hasty retreat from Iraq after it's "election"
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5000 quatloos says we will make a hasty retreat from Iraq after it's "election"
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As I understand it, the Mayan end of the world isn't like Christian Armegeddon, but the end of a 5,000 year cycle. So conceivably what comes after "the world as we know it" could actually be something better. (Age of Aquarius, anyone?) Though I think a rough transition is implied.
Someone more knowledgeable than I is free to correct me.
As I understand it, the Mayan end of the world isn't like Christian Armegeddon, but the end of a 5,000 year cycle. So conceivably what comes after "the world as we know it" could actually be something better. (Age of Aquarius, anyone?) Though I think a rough transition is implied.
Someone more knowledgeable than I is free to correct me.
Kinda like the man said, It's time for us to go.
However, it ain't gonna happen because the whole point of this exercise was to establish those permanent military bases from which to dominate the Middle East and control the oil resource. They aren't giving up on that beautiful dream . . .
Kinda like the man said, It's time for us to go.
However, it ain't gonna happen because the whole point of this exercise was to establish those permanent military bases from which to dominate the Middle East and control the oil resource. They aren't giving up on that beautiful dream . . .
Incog - ok Blanche, I think we got it.
Tena
Well, go ahead and mock all you want but you'll all see. We got 2 feet of rain above normal here and locusts in Israel. The end is near and you all need to Repent.
Incog - ok Blanche, I think we got it.
Tena
Well, go ahead and mock all you want but you'll all see. We got 2 feet of rain above normal here and locusts in Israel. The end is near and you all need to Repent.
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer*
The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.
*What they bite on first, they'll chew on longer*
The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.
Damn handle juggling [shakes fist]
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Damn handle juggling [shakes fist]
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I think they'll declare victory after the election and pull out. When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on an inability of brown people to govern themselves.
I think they'll declare victory after the election and pull out. When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on an inability of brown people to govern themselves.
As I understand it, the Mayan end of the world isn't like Christian Armegeddon, but the end of a 5,000 year cycle.
As I recall, the end of the cycle that ends in 2012 is the end of one of many cycles in the Mayan calendar, the longest cycle of which is several orders of magnitude longer than the currently believed age of the universe.
As I understand it, the Mayan end of the world isn't like Christian Armegeddon, but the end of a 5,000 year cycle.
As I recall, the end of the cycle that ends in 2012 is the end of one of many cycles in the Mayan calendar, the longest cycle of which is several orders of magnitude longer than the currently believed age of the universe.
This segment was taped in Minnesota. She felt that this type of education would allow them to make better choices later on. Again, it didn't work for cigs and drugs. Why will this be different, especially when hormones are raging.
Another enlightened fellow said that condoms don't prevent aids in 1 out of 7 instances, and *those aren't very good odds* so it's better to not have sex, better to not make condoms available.
Of course, others noted that the chance of STD's and pregnancy would only increase. And the kids all knew where to get condoms if they weren't given out at school (gas stations, etc).
This segment was taped in Minnesota. She felt that this type of education would allow them to make better choices later on. Again, it didn't work for cigs and drugs. Why will this be different, especially when hormones are raging.
Another enlightened fellow said that condoms don't prevent aids in 1 out of 7 instances, and *those aren't very good odds* so it's better to not have sex, better to not make condoms available.
Of course, others noted that the chance of STD's and pregnancy would only increase. And the kids all knew where to get condoms if they weren't given out at school (gas stations, etc).
It's TEOTWAWKI which the Hopi Indians know about, or,
The End Of The World As We Know It.
Hey ... it's REM. What a great song. No dount the chimp sings that every morning in the shower.
But in the meantime the 4th Estate is so useless that they can't even report how badly this is going and how badly things are going at home. However, if they did report it the sheeple would not believe them and that is the real tragedy of America at this time.
It's TEOTWAWKI which the Hopi Indians know about, or,
The End Of The World As We Know It.
Hey ... it's REM. What a great song. No dount the chimp sings that every morning in the shower.
But in the meantime the 4th Estate is so useless that they can't even report how badly this is going and how badly things are going at home. However, if they did report it the sheeple would not believe them and that is the real tragedy of America at this time.
the "war" is lost. end of story. the longer we stay the worse it gets. and unlike vietnam, this time it matters. which is of course why it was a mistake to take it on in the first place. even if you agreed with the notion of holding saddam accountable (which i did) dumbass rushed in with his pants down around his ankles and now he's tripping all over the place. but he doesn't give a fuck, he'll still manage to walk away personally enriched in some way. fuck'n retard.
and to reiterate incognito "this is the end my freind, the only end."
really associating the war in iraq with the "war on terror" was a collasal screw up. screwing up the war in iraq is beyond collasal. as the man said "if you make the wrong choice, chances are we will be attacked again..." i think they don't give a shit, would just give them a chance to further consolidate their power through fear.
the "war" is lost. end of story. the longer we stay the worse it gets. and unlike vietnam, this time it matters. which is of course why it was a mistake to take it on in the first place. even if you agreed with the notion of holding saddam accountable (which i did) dumbass rushed in with his pants down around his ankles and now he's tripping all over the place. but he doesn't give a fuck, he'll still manage to walk away personally enriched in some way. fuck'n retard.
and to reiterate incognito "this is the end my freind, the only end."
really associating the war in iraq with the "war on terror" was a collasal screw up. screwing up the war in iraq is beyond collasal. as the man said "if you make the wrong choice, chances are we will be attacked again..." i think they don't give a shit, would just give them a chance to further consolidate their power through fear.
Meanwhile, here's a great big "fuck you" to Moron America:
Same-sex couples joined together in a civil union have the same rights regarding their children as do heterosexual couples, a judge in Vermont ruled, contradicting an earlier court decision in Virginia, according to a newspaper report.
The ruling last week by Judge William Cohen conflicts with an earlier Virginia court's ruling, which gave only the biological parent custody of the child.
Cohen said that Janet Miller-Jenkins of Fair Haven, Vermont has the same rights as a parent of two-year-old Isabella as does Lisa Miller-Jenkins, who gave birth to her using artificial insemination before the couple split up, the Rutland Herald reported on Sunday. Lisa Miller-Jenkins now lives in Virginia with the child, the daily noted.
"Parties to a civil union who use artificial insemination to conceive a child can be treated no differently than a husband and wife who, unable to conceive a child biologically, choose to conceive a child by inseminating the wife with the sperm of an anonymous donor," Cohen ruled.
A judge in Virginia had ruled earlier that only the biological mother could have custody of the child.
Cohen noted that under those same rules, "the husband would be no more than a mere stepparent and would be required to adopt the child in order to be considered a parent in the eyes of the law.
"This argument is without merit," he concluded...
Meanwhile, here's a great big "fuck you" to Moron America:
Same-sex couples joined together in a civil union have the same rights regarding their children as do heterosexual couples, a judge in Vermont ruled, contradicting an earlier court decision in Virginia, according to a newspaper report.
The ruling last week by Judge William Cohen conflicts with an earlier Virginia court's ruling, which gave only the biological parent custody of the child.
Cohen said that Janet Miller-Jenkins of Fair Haven, Vermont has the same rights as a parent of two-year-old Isabella as does Lisa Miller-Jenkins, who gave birth to her using artificial insemination before the couple split up, the Rutland Herald reported on Sunday. Lisa Miller-Jenkins now lives in Virginia with the child, the daily noted.
"Parties to a civil union who use artificial insemination to conceive a child can be treated no differently than a husband and wife who, unable to conceive a child biologically, choose to conceive a child by inseminating the wife with the sperm of an anonymous donor," Cohen ruled.
A judge in Virginia had ruled earlier that only the biological mother could have custody of the child.
Cohen noted that under those same rules, "the husband would be no more than a mere stepparent and would be required to adopt the child in order to be considered a parent in the eyes of the law.
"This argument is without merit," he concluded...
The end is near and you all need to Repent.
I'm very sorry that Bush won (or stole) the election. Will that do?
The end is near and you all need to Repent.
I'm very sorry that Bush won (or stole) the election. Will that do?
4,000 quatloos say that the newcomers can be fattened with Israeli locusts, and their thirsts sated with Louisiana rain
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4,000 quatloos say that the newcomers can be fattened with Israeli locusts, and their thirsts sated with Louisiana rain
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When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on an inability of brown people to govern themselves.
that wouldn't be any relation to the "soft bigotry of low wxpectations" would it?
The Repbublican Party making bigotry cool since 1965
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When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on an inability of brown people to govern themselves.
that wouldn't be any relation to the "soft bigotry of low wxpectations" would it?
The Repbublican Party making bigotry cool since 1965
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dave,
Ah yes. Can't have anything that indicates that men don't own their wives' offspring.
OK, I keed, sort of.
I agree w/ the judge's decision, but it's always interesting to me that they only get it if you put it in terms that threaten partiarchy.
dave,
Ah yes. Can't have anything that indicates that men don't own their wives' offspring.
OK, I keed, sort of.
I agree w/ the judge's decision, but it's always interesting to me that they only get it if you put it in terms that threaten partiarchy.
"OT, but notice how the Brits seem to have prevented a "9/11 style" attack? I guess they read their memos..."
Actually, the Guardian reports Whitehall is playing down that supposed threat;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
uk_new...1357522,00.html
Possibly because every Britain knows that Canary Wharf would actually be a comparitively less shocking target for attack; unlike Heathrow, Canary Wharf is famous for being an unloved failure. The most famous tenant of said tower block, which was supposed to revitalise the Docklands...? BCCI. The project designed to re-revitalise that area after that didn't go down too well either; an enormous white gonad for some reason didn't play as well with the public as it did with the collection of artists and cabinet members that agreed to it...
"OT, but notice how the Brits seem to have prevented a "9/11 style" attack? I guess they read their memos..."
Actually, the Guardian reports Whitehall is playing down that supposed threat;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
uk_new...1357522,00.html
Possibly because every Britain knows that Canary Wharf would actually be a comparitively less shocking target for attack; unlike Heathrow, Canary Wharf is famous for being an unloved failure. The most famous tenant of said tower block, which was supposed to revitalise the Docklands...? BCCI. The project designed to re-revitalise that area after that didn't go down too well either; an enormous white gonad for some reason didn't play as well with the public as it did with the collection of artists and cabinet members that agreed to it...
General JC Christian: I am ready for the Rapture. I will stack my years of back slid Christianity and dearth of visits to the church against the hypocrtical hate-fest that the Fundies have become. Bring it on, I am ready: are they?
General JC Christian: I am ready for the Rapture. I will stack my years of back slid Christianity and dearth of visits to the church against the hypocrtical hate-fest that the Fundies have become. Bring it on, I am ready: are they?
...it's always interesting to me that they only get it if you put it in terms that threaten partiarchy.
Agreed.
On the other hand, how else are you going to get through to these fucking hillbillies?
...it's always interesting to me that they only get it if you put it in terms that threaten partiarchy.
Agreed.
On the other hand, how else are you going to get through to these fucking hillbillies?
Hecate - what you said. Right decision, interesting reasoning.
Hecate - what you said. Right decision, interesting reasoning.
Agreed, dave.
I'm just getting old and cynical.
Agreed, dave.
I'm just getting old and cynical.
I'm very sorry that Bush won (or stole) the election. Will that do?
pie
Bush and the Powers That Be, stole the election among many other crimes and abuses to our country. I'm in albert champion's camp, now.
I'm very sorry that Bush won (or stole) the election. Will that do?
pie
Bush and the Powers That Be, stole the election among many other crimes and abuses to our country. I'm in albert champion's camp, now.
That's why I can't stop making allusions the The Handmaid's Tale.
That's why I can't stop making allusions the The Handmaid's Tale.
I agree w/ the judge's decision, but it's always interesting to me that they only get it if you put it in terms that threaten partiarchy.
I don't think the decision has anything to do with patriarchy; I think the analogy was to ground it in existing law, particularly as, in the case of civil unions, they are expressly to be treated as having the same rights as exist in marriages, though its hard to tell without the full decision.
But then, I don't see saying that the husband has equal parental rights as the mother of a child by artificial insemination is a particularly patriarchal judgement, in any case.
I agree w/ the judge's decision, but it's always interesting to me that they only get it if you put it in terms that threaten partiarchy.
I don't think the decision has anything to do with patriarchy; I think the analogy was to ground it in existing law, particularly as, in the case of civil unions, they are expressly to be treated as having the same rights as exist in marriages, though its hard to tell without the full decision.
But then, I don't see saying that the husband has equal parental rights as the mother of a child by artificial insemination is a particularly patriarchal judgement, in any case.
"......At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country..."
Yeah right....and someday butterflies will fly out my butt.
"......At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country..."
Yeah right....and someday butterflies will fly out my butt.
where is the FUBAR-zone on that graph?
.. oh right
where is the FUBAR-zone on that graph?
.. oh right
Left Coaster has a post up about the rapture, seemed apprapro with the comments up thread.
Seems you have to have a RFID tag embedded under the skin so St. Peter can scan you. Mark of the beast and all that, better go check to see if I got any horns starting to come out.
Left Coaster has a post up about the rapture, seemed apprapro with the comments up thread.
Seems you have to have a RFID tag embedded under the skin so St. Peter can scan you. Mark of the beast and all that, better go check to see if I got any horns starting to come out.
And Chomsky's camp, also.
And Chomsky's camp, also.
Cm
If you don't see the partiarchial bias underlying this decision, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. There were many grounds for reaching the decision that the judge reached. Interesting that this is the one that resonated.
BTW, you might want to find out whether or not they play a law school version of bingo at the institution you'll be attending. It will help you to understand why the others will yell out "Bingo" whenever you raise your hand and offer your version of the truth in class.
Just sayin
Cm
If you don't see the partiarchial bias underlying this decision, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. There were many grounds for reaching the decision that the judge reached. Interesting that this is the one that resonated.
BTW, you might want to find out whether or not they play a law school version of bingo at the institution you'll be attending. It will help you to understand why the others will yell out "Bingo" whenever you raise your hand and offer your version of the truth in class.
Just sayin
Totally off topic -
Marty Kaplan is KICKING ASS on Hardball You go Marty...
Totally off topic -
Marty Kaplan is KICKING ASS on Hardball You go Marty...
At some point? How about NOW? And I can tell you for sure people whose houses are being bombed, and refugees living in camps outside Fallujah with no medicine and little food and water, are not being helped.
At some point? How about NOW? And I can tell you for sure people whose houses are being bombed, and refugees living in camps outside Fallujah with no medicine and little food and water, are not being helped.
Some of the upthread comments are hitting the new meme for the future of Iraq. Bushco has decided that the troops are causing the insurgency, so if the troops go home, the insurgency will end.
From the Boston Globe via TruthOut:
"A growing number of national security specialists who supported the toppling of Saddam Hussein are moving to a position unthinkable even a few months ago: that the large US military presence is impeding stability as much as contributing to it and that the United States should begin major reductions in troops beginning early next year."
So we've destroyed the country, killed 100,000 civilians, and created a thousand Bin Ladens. But now we're "impeding stability?"
I'm sure a thousand military families would have rather heard this meme acted on a year ago.
Freedom is on the march: Backward
Some of the upthread comments are hitting the new meme for the future of Iraq. Bushco has decided that the troops are causing the insurgency, so if the troops go home, the insurgency will end.
From the Boston Globe via TruthOut:
"A growing number of national security specialists who supported the toppling of Saddam Hussein are moving to a position unthinkable even a few months ago: that the large US military presence is impeding stability as much as contributing to it and that the United States should begin major reductions in troops beginning early next year."
So we've destroyed the country, killed 100,000 civilians, and created a thousand Bin Ladens. But now we're "impeding stability?"
I'm sure a thousand military families would have rather heard this meme acted on a year ago.
Freedom is on the march: Backward
If you don't see the partiarchial bias underlying this decision, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. There were many grounds for reaching the decision that the judge reached.
Its also possible that I am not all that knowledgable about Vermont family law, even compared to my limited knowledge in other areas, and I don't see all these "many grounds" that you claim exist that wouldn't be explained with a similarly "patriarchal" analogy to marriage.
But, I guess its easier to just wave your hand and dismiss me as "part of the problem" rather than showing me where I am wrong and convincing me, right?
Interesting that this is the one that resonated.
Its hard to tell from the media report that its even "the one" that resonated; many times, a legal decision will make several points, and media reports, when they excerpt the decision, will excerpt those points they find most interesting for their readers, which aren't, always, the most important or legally significant, as often neither the reporters nor their intended audience are particularly knowledgeable about the law.
But, even assuming it is, I don't see anything patriarchal about it.
If you don't see the partiarchial bias underlying this decision, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. There were many grounds for reaching the decision that the judge reached.
Its also possible that I am not all that knowledgable about Vermont family law, even compared to my limited knowledge in other areas, and I don't see all these "many grounds" that you claim exist that wouldn't be explained with a similarly "patriarchal" analogy to marriage.
But, I guess its easier to just wave your hand and dismiss me as "part of the problem" rather than showing me where I am wrong and convincing me, right?
Interesting that this is the one that resonated.
Its hard to tell from the media report that its even "the one" that resonated; many times, a legal decision will make several points, and media reports, when they excerpt the decision, will excerpt those points they find most interesting for their readers, which aren't, always, the most important or legally significant, as often neither the reporters nor their intended audience are particularly knowledgeable about the law.
But, even assuming it is, I don't see anything patriarchal about it.
5000 quatloos says we will make a hasty retreat from Iraq after it's "election"
hmm, i'm no nostradamos, a month ago i'd so no way, now...
I think they'll declare victory after the election and pull out. When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on an inability of brown people to govern themselves.
good guess, they won't do it unless they have to.
However, if they did report it the sheeple would not believe them and that is the real tragedy of America at this time.
so sad, so true.
meanwhile, osama, remember him?
5000 quatloos says we will make a hasty retreat from Iraq after it's "election"
hmm, i'm no nostradamos, a month ago i'd so no way, now...
I think they'll declare victory after the election and pull out. When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on an inability of brown people to govern themselves.
good guess, they won't do it unless they have to.
However, if they did report it the sheeple would not believe them and that is the real tragedy of America at this time.
so sad, so true.
meanwhile, osama, remember him?
All you liberals should volunteer to get your scrawny butts over to IRak and help the troops.
All you liberals should volunteer to get your scrawny butts over to IRak and help the troops.
So, err, uh, did everyone leave? Is it something I said?
So, err, uh, did everyone leave? Is it something I said?
General JC Christian:
You better be prepared to explain your hatred, bigotry, and homophobia of your fellow man to your maker. I somehow doubt he would be very proud of your christianity, unlike you God doesn't discriminate.
General JC Christian:
You better be prepared to explain your hatred, bigotry, and homophobia of your fellow man to your maker. I somehow doubt he would be very proud of your christianity, unlike you God doesn't discriminate.
So we've destroyed the country, killed 100,000 civilians, and created a thousand Bin Ladens. But now we're "impeding stability?"
I am sure we've created many more than a thousand OBL's in Iraq.
So we've destroyed the country, killed 100,000 civilians, and created a thousand Bin Ladens. But now we're "impeding stability?"
I am sure we've created many more than a thousand OBL's in Iraq.
Possibly because every Britain knows that Canary Wharf would actually be a comparitively less shocking target for attack
Canary Wharf... I'd been ignoring this story, because, let's face it, there's enoogh stateside atrocities. But Canary Wharf? How odd.
Besides, the IRA already bombed it. Bo-ring.
Possibly because every Britain knows that Canary Wharf would actually be a comparitively less shocking target for attack
Canary Wharf... I'd been ignoring this story, because, let's face it, there's enoogh stateside atrocities. But Canary Wharf? How odd.
Besides, the IRA already bombed it. Bo-ring.
Dawna, please go to:
http://www.patriotboy.blogspot.com and read the General before you are too critical.
Dawna, please go to:
http://www.patriotboy.blogspot.com and read the General before you are too critical.
General JC Christian:
You better be prepared to explain your hatred, bigotry, and homophobia of your fellow man to your maker. I somehow doubt he would be very proud of your christianity, unlike you God doesn't discriminate.
Yeah, General. And if you spent less time with the gladiator movies, maybe you'd know that!
General JC Christian:
You better be prepared to explain your hatred, bigotry, and homophobia of your fellow man to your maker. I somehow doubt he would be very proud of your christianity, unlike you God doesn't discriminate.
Yeah, General. And if you spent less time with the gladiator movies, maybe you'd know that!
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time."
Hecate
The world is round? At least we have Santa to depend on.
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time."
Hecate
The world is round? At least we have Santa to depend on.
chris/tx - Ok, I have to ask: what the fuck is an RFID tag. ID I get.
chris/tx - Ok, I have to ask: what the fuck is an RFID tag. ID I get.
what the fuck is an RFID tag
Radio
Frequency
IDentification
Essentially, usually, a short range radio transceiver that, when interrogated by an appropriate transmitter, "squawks" its identification in response so that it can be identified; some are stronger powered, IIRC, and can be used for location.
what the fuck is an RFID tag
Radio
Frequency
IDentification
Essentially, usually, a short range radio transceiver that, when interrogated by an appropriate transmitter, "squawks" its identification in response so that it can be identified; some are stronger powered, IIRC, and can be used for location.
Dawna, I don't worship the French, do-gooder Jesus of the Beatitudes. My Savior is Republican Jesus, a kick ass, take-no-prisoners, CEO/warrior God.
He redeemed my soul after I promised not to complain when Con-Agra took my farm.
Dawna, I don't worship the French, do-gooder Jesus of the Beatitudes. My Savior is Republican Jesus, a kick ass, take-no-prisoners, CEO/warrior God.
He redeemed my soul after I promised not to complain when Con-Agra took my farm.
cmdicely - thank you.
cmdicely - thank you.
*The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.*
Not a speck of cereal.
*The poodle bites, the poodle chews it.*
Not a speck of cereal.
Tena,
Re:RFID
This will get you started.
Tena,
Re:RFID
This will get you started.
Give me your dirty love like your mama's poodle do...
One of my favorites of Frank's.
Give me your dirty love like your mama's poodle do...
One of my favorites of Frank's.
General,
Dawna doesn't understand the double entrende, and I sometimes have a problem reading deeper into the intended message. It's a tough one, and might take a couple of cups of coffee. Something tells me Dawna doesn't do anything unnatural except put organically grown pepper under her children's tongues. Dawna, check out the Hoover Gazette. Isn't it a great newspaper? I love it.
General,
Dawna doesn't understand the double entrende, and I sometimes have a problem reading deeper into the intended message. It's a tough one, and might take a couple of cups of coffee. Something tells me Dawna doesn't do anything unnatural except put organically grown pepper under her children's tongues. Dawna, check out the Hoover Gazette. Isn't it a great newspaper? I love it.
The Bush Poodle, prissy Blair and Tom Friedman are still optimistic that the Bushites will prevail in EYERACK.
The Bush Poodle, prissy Blair and Tom Friedman are still optimistic that the Bushites will prevail in EYERACK.
Radio-Frequency Ident. A scannable microchip, basically. RFIDs are turning up everywhere, like on merchandise for tracking and inventory purposes; and there are many proposed uses, such as putting RFIDs in humans for...gosh, kind of the same thing.
Radio-Frequency Ident. A scannable microchip, basically. RFIDs are turning up everywhere, like on merchandise for tracking and inventory purposes; and there are many proposed uses, such as putting RFIDs in humans for...gosh, kind of the same thing.
BushCO scandal.
Hecate' | Email | Homepage | 11.23.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Troll, probably Gordo.
BushCO scandal.
Hecate' | Email | Homepage | 11.23.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Troll, probably Gordo.
I'm just getting old and cynical.
My third grade teacher complained that I was cynical. I had to look it up in the dictionary...
I'm just getting old and cynical.
My third grade teacher complained that I was cynical. I had to look it up in the dictionary...
cmdicely - Are we not using RFID tags on servicemen? I seem to recall the military can see where each person is within a battle zone to prevent friendly fire casualties. But of course we could not find a soldier captured in Iraq? Just curious, IIRC I read something about it as the latest technology of our military.
cmdicely - Are we not using RFID tags on servicemen? I seem to recall the military can see where each person is within a battle zone to prevent friendly fire casualties. But of course we could not find a soldier captured in Iraq? Just curious, IIRC I read something about it as the latest technology of our military.
Dawna,
You are new here. Either a troll or an elementary school level reader.
Lady, NEVER dis our great and noble General!!! It just shows your total ignorance of all issues of modern humanity. See his weblog in the list to the right below and be wonderfully entertained.
Dawna,
You are new here. Either a troll or an elementary school level reader.
Lady, NEVER dis our great and noble General!!! It just shows your total ignorance of all issues of modern humanity. See his weblog in the list to the right below and be wonderfully entertained.
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time.
Well, maybe, but don't gimme that crap about it going around the sun.
A PDF BTW, which is more than freaking Kevin Drum will tell you...
At some point, the church had to admit that the world was round, but it took an awfully long time.
Well, maybe, but don't gimme that crap about it going around the sun.
A PDF BTW, which is more than freaking Kevin Drum will tell you...
Central - Ah yes, I remember hearing about these.
Privacy, we hardly knew ye. Such a short lived phenomenon. So lovely. To good to be of this world, I suppose.
Central - Ah yes, I remember hearing about these.
Privacy, we hardly knew ye. Such a short lived phenomenon. So lovely. To good to be of this world, I suppose.
Too good...
I've been making mistakes all damn day.
Too good...
I've been making mistakes all damn day.
*I'm just getting old and cynical.*
In the words of Fela Kuti, "I must look and laugh."
*I'm just getting old and cynical.*
In the words of Fela Kuti, "I must look and laugh."
Sue, I bought into the I-69 story too. It was only after I couldn't find the story anywhere else that I figured out it was satire.
BTW, the other day, you said I should check out a certain blog. Could you email me the url? patriotboyATcharter.net
Sue, I bought into the I-69 story too. It was only after I couldn't find the story anywhere else that I figured out it was satire.
BTW, the other day, you said I should check out a certain blog. Could you email me the url? patriotboyATcharter.net
General,
Dawna doesn't understand the double entrende, and I sometimes have a problem reading deeper into the intended message. It's a tough one, and might take a couple of cups of coffee. Something tells me Dawna doesn't do anything unnatural except put organically grown pepper under her children's tongues. Dawna, check out the Hoover Gazette. Isn't it a great newspaper? I love it.
Sue
Sue- ever heard of sarcasm.... Go blow youself.
General,
Dawna doesn't understand the double entrende, and I sometimes have a problem reading deeper into the intended message. It's a tough one, and might take a couple of cups of coffee. Something tells me Dawna doesn't do anything unnatural except put organically grown pepper under her children's tongues. Dawna, check out the Hoover Gazette. Isn't it a great newspaper? I love it.
Sue
Sue- ever heard of sarcasm.... Go blow youself.
The mayor of Omaha has declared that flags will fly at half staff in honor of a young Marine killed in Iraq on Nov. 15th. His daughter was born the same day.
Let us never forget that this war didn't have to happen. Bush didn't have the integrity to sacrifice a econo-political maneuver for the sake of humanity.
I hope that at least BushCo will declare "victory" and pull out after elections. After which, the country will disintegrate in a civil war. To prevent this, we'd have to stay there for 40 years. What a sickening mess.
-
The mayor of Omaha has declared that flags will fly at half staff in honor of a young Marine killed in Iraq on Nov. 15th. His daughter was born the same day.
Let us never forget that this war didn't have to happen. Bush didn't have the integrity to sacrifice a econo-political maneuver for the sake of humanity.
I hope that at least BushCo will declare "victory" and pull out after elections. After which, the country will disintegrate in a civil war. To prevent this, we'd have to stay there for 40 years. What a sickening mess.
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Dawna doesn't do anything unnatural except put organically grown pepper under her children's tongues.
At least I didn't follow your lead and eat my children.
Dawna doesn't do anything unnatural except put organically grown pepper under her children's tongues.
At least I didn't follow your lead and eat my children.
Art Vanderlay - It's called sarcasm you fucking idiot!!!!
Art Vanderlay - It's called sarcasm you fucking idiot!!!!
"He redeemed my soul after I promised not to complain when Con-Agra took my farm."
I agree. There's nothing quite as comforting as knowing that we are being gazed upon voyeristically by a buff Caucasian Jesus who could hold his own (or those of others) in the manly-man world of the Captains of Industry, whether participating in a game of jodhpur-sweat-soaked polo, a steamroom inquisition or a backroom cigar-fondling and pocket-billiards session.
.
"He redeemed my soul after I promised not to complain when Con-Agra took my farm."
I agree. There's nothing quite as comforting as knowing that we are being gazed upon voyeristically by a buff Caucasian Jesus who could hold his own (or those of others) in the manly-man world of the Captains of Industry, whether participating in a game of jodhpur-sweat-soaked polo, a steamroom inquisition or a backroom cigar-fondling and pocket-billiards session.
.
Sue- ever heard of sarcasm.... Go blow youself.
Isn't that pretty much impossible?
And also, it's very interesting that "Dawna" would suggest such a thing.
Sue- ever heard of sarcasm.... Go blow youself.
Isn't that pretty much impossible?
And also, it's very interesting that "Dawna" would suggest such a thing.
Youself - is that like
Ramzi Yousef's most recent distinction is his status as the resident of the most expensive studio apartment in the history of the world. His 7 by 12 foot luxury suite comes complete with convenient toilet in the living room, 13-inch black and white TV and the handy chute through prison guards slide his delicious meals.
It cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build the Colorado Supermax prison, and somewhere significantly upwards of $20 million to keep it secure each year, and that doesn't even include free HBO.
Youself - is that like
Ramzi Yousef's most recent distinction is his status as the resident of the most expensive studio apartment in the history of the world. His 7 by 12 foot luxury suite comes complete with convenient toilet in the living room, 13-inch black and white TV and the handy chute through prison guards slide his delicious meals.
It cost hundreds of millions of dollars to build the Colorado Supermax prison, and somewhere significantly upwards of $20 million to keep it secure each year, and that doesn't even include free HBO.
Isn't it sad that we have to use simplistic charts like this for our President? What a joke. Trolls, you elected him, you deal with him.
Isn't it sad that we have to use simplistic charts like this for our President? What a joke. Trolls, you elected him, you deal with him.
I think they'll declare victory after the election and pull out. When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on
Clinton!
I think they'll declare victory after the election and pull out. When civil war breaks out, they'll blame it on
Clinton!
I have been posting in this blog for more than a year. Look at the archives idiots. What is very interesting is how some of you fucking idiots in this blog eat your own. You are a most pathetic, idiotic, self loathing bunch of blowhards I have ever seen. By the way thanks for the Tax cut, I love my new Mercedes, used it to drive folks to the pole to vote for Kerry.
I have been posting in this blog for more than a year. Look at the archives idiots. What is very interesting is how some of you fucking idiots in this blog eat your own. You are a most pathetic, idiotic, self loathing bunch of blowhards I have ever seen. By the way thanks for the Tax cut, I love my new Mercedes, used it to drive folks to the pole to vote for Kerry.
Iran "vigorously" pursued programs to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons during the latter part of 2003 and was working to improve delivery systems, a CIA (news - web sites) report said on Tuesday.
Paging Mr. Tenet. Mr. George Tenet to the red courtesy phone. Mr. Tenet.
Iran "vigorously" pursued programs to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons during the latter part of 2003 and was working to improve delivery systems, a CIA (news - web sites) report said on Tuesday.
Paging Mr. Tenet. Mr. George Tenet to the red courtesy phone. Mr. Tenet.
I hope that at least BushCo will declare "victory" and pull out after elections. After which, the country will disintegrate in a civil war. To prevent this, we'd have to stay there for 40 years. What a sickening mess.
It's heartbreaking. Over a thousand kids who died for nothing. Thousands more who were crippled by physical and psychological pain to feed Our Leaders ambition.
I don't even want to think of the hundreds of thousand dead and wounded Iraqis or I'll need to get back on Webutrin.
I hope that at least BushCo will declare "victory" and pull out after elections. After which, the country will disintegrate in a civil war. To prevent this, we'd have to stay there for 40 years. What a sickening mess.
It's heartbreaking. Over a thousand kids who died for nothing. Thousands more who were crippled by physical and psychological pain to feed Our Leaders ambition.
I don't even want to think of the hundreds of thousand dead and wounded Iraqis or I'll need to get back on Webutrin.
It is also sad when the powers that be can't be bothered to make up new lines of reasoning to attack another Middle-Eastern country.
It is also sad when the powers that be can't be bothered to make up new lines of reasoning to attack another Middle-Eastern country.
By the way thanks for the Tax cut, I love my new Mercedes, used it to drive folks to the pole to vote for Kerry.
David Patterson?
Naw, he drives a newish Beamer.
By the way thanks for the Tax cut, I love my new Mercedes, used it to drive folks to the pole to vote for Kerry.
David Patterson?
Naw, he drives a newish Beamer.
Central Scrutinizer:
There was a young man from Nantucket. . . .
Central Scrutinizer:
There was a young man from Nantucket. . . .
It's called sarcasm you fucking idiot!!!!
What's called sarcasm? Seriously, I missed it.
It's called sarcasm you fucking idiot!!!!
What's called sarcasm? Seriously, I missed it.
But at least we'll have Secretary of State Ofgeorge and Attorney General Torquemada to make things right in the next 4 years.
But at least we'll have Secretary of State Ofgeorge and Attorney General Torquemada to make things right in the next 4 years.
I don't even want to think of the hundreds of thousand dead and wounded Iraqis or I'll need to get back on Webutrin.
Patriotboy,
Liqour is quicker!
I don't even want to think of the hundreds of thousand dead and wounded Iraqis or I'll need to get back on Webutrin.
Patriotboy,
Liqour is quicker!
OT: Zogby on Countdown, momentarily.
Plus, topping his Simpsons quotes, Olbermann just threw in a classic Life of Brian reference. He's the only mass media I can stand to watch these days.
OT: Zogby on Countdown, momentarily.
Plus, topping his Simpsons quotes, Olbermann just threw in a classic Life of Brian reference. He's the only mass media I can stand to watch these days.
Wow, drives a Mercedes but can't spell poll. What are the odds?
Wow, drives a Mercedes but can't spell poll. What are the odds?
Always look on the bright side of life (whistle. whistle. whistle. whistle.)
Always look on the bright side of life (whistle. whistle. whistle. whistle.)
I follow the shoe. The gourd is for heritics.
I follow the shoe. The gourd is for heritics.
Seems to me that he is doing essentially the same for us as he is the Iraqis, with the exception of bombing, if you don't count 9/11.
Major difference is, we have further to slide, to the 4th Hell-realm, than Iraq did after 15 years of God-awful sanctions, after another Bush bombing in 1991.
But our time is coming; just wait. Economic End-times anyone?
Get on board the Peace train, to Canada, outer-Mongolia, anywhere but here!
Seems to me that he is doing essentially the same for us as he is the Iraqis, with the exception of bombing, if you don't count 9/11.
Major difference is, we have further to slide, to the 4th Hell-realm, than Iraq did after 15 years of God-awful sanctions, after another Bush bombing in 1991.
But our time is coming; just wait. Economic End-times anyone?
Get on board the Peace train, to Canada, outer-Mongolia, anywhere but here!
patriotboy - You and me both.
patriotboy - You and me both.
"Whatever happened to The Judean People's Front?"
"He's over there."
"Whatever happened to The Judean People's Front?"
"He's over there."
NEW DYKES TO WATCH OUT FOR!!!!!!!
NEW DYKES TO WATCH OUT FOR!!!!!!!
JeffCo;
Amen on the Olbermann thing. He's the only one I can stomach.
Caught a few minutes of Hardball and thought Tweety was going to have the Big O when he was talking about Bush's supposed dust up in Chile. Haven't seen Chris so moist since Commander Codpiece landed on the air craft carrier.
JeffCo;
Amen on the Olbermann thing. He's the only one I can stomach.
Caught a few minutes of Hardball and thought Tweety was going to have the Big O when he was talking about Bush's supposed dust up in Chile. Haven't seen Chris so moist since Commander Codpiece landed on the air craft carrier.
Underground railroad. There was a guy whose website I saved:
http://www.the-eleven.com/~tjleg...gg/serendipity/
whose an expatriot. Being a mother of a 21 year old, this site links to other expatriots. And the NYT had an article about people in Nelson, Canada, all draft dodgers, and happy making tofu and raising the Evil Weed and lamas. I hate tofu and those stupid spitting animals, but it's better than him living in my husband's basement toolroom for 4 years.
Underground railroad. There was a guy whose website I saved:
http://www.the-eleven.com/~tjleg...gg/serendipity/
whose an expatriot. Being a mother of a 21 year old, this site links to other expatriots. And the NYT had an article about people in Nelson, Canada, all draft dodgers, and happy making tofu and raising the Evil Weed and lamas. I hate tofu and those stupid spitting animals, but it's better than him living in my husband's basement toolroom for 4 years.
The second we leave (or even before), Iraq's neighbors move in to protect their various brethren.....Does Chalabi get a cut from IRan's new oil fields in Iraq?...
Just imagine, Turks, Kurds, arabs and Persians fighting each other for the oil fields... I'm sure the neocons will call this victory somehow... "at least they're not fighting us!"... or something.
The second we leave (or even before), Iraq's neighbors move in to protect their various brethren.....Does Chalabi get a cut from IRan's new oil fields in Iraq?...
Just imagine, Turks, Kurds, arabs and Persians fighting each other for the oil fields... I'm sure the neocons will call this victory somehow... "at least they're not fighting us!"... or something.
Good evening moonbat bitches.
Are you over the election yet?
Good evening moonbat bitches.
Are you over the election yet?
New thread...
New thread...
Mathews has lost his mind since 9/11, just like Dennis Miller.
Looooooost it.
Mathews has lost his mind since 9/11, just like Dennis Miller.
Looooooost it.
I don't get why the Right is talking about Bush being heroic in Chile. It's more about self presevation than heroism. If I was President and the Chilean security police were trying to seperate me from my security detail, I reach out and grab my bodyguard too.
Can you imagine what was going through his mind? "Oh my God! They're setting me up!"
I don't get why the Right is talking about Bush being heroic in Chile. It's more about self presevation than heroism. If I was President and the Chilean security police were trying to seperate me from my security detail, I reach out and grab my bodyguard too.
Can you imagine what was going through his mind? "Oh my God! They're setting me up!"
Ah, lay off Dawna. She is right that she's been here a while. Nt worth a squabble.
Ah, lay off Dawna. She is right that she's been here a while. Nt worth a squabble.
Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly!
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Stwike him, Centuwion. Stwike him vewy wuffly!
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Good evening moonbat bitches.
I told ya'll it was Gourdhead.
Good evening moonbat bitches.
I told ya'll it was Gourdhead.
Ah gots me sum capituhl, an' ahm a-gonna SPEND IT!
Ah gots me sum capituhl, an' ahm a-gonna SPEND IT!
PB, did you know that Bush has whole stadiums of people go through metal detectors when he plans to appear? You can bet he's afraid. But of what, pray tell?
PB, did you know that Bush has whole stadiums of people go through metal detectors when he plans to appear? You can bet he's afraid. But of what, pray tell?
"Gordon" you paunchy loser! Long time no see!
Lonely again, "Gordon"?
All that internet porn can seem so shallow sometimes can't it? Looking for love in all the wrong places. You silly, lonely, Republican, Rube.
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"Gordon" you paunchy loser! Long time no see!
Lonely again, "Gordon"?
All that internet porn can seem so shallow sometimes can't it? Looking for love in all the wrong places. You silly, lonely, Republican, Rube.
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Sue - horses.
Sue - horses.
JC - tofu = protein.
Glaucoma + marijuana = big bucks
JC - tofu = protein.
Glaucoma + marijuana = big bucks
I don't get why the Right is talking about Bush being heroic in Chile.
patriotboy
Heroic moments for the future:
Bush praised for heroically picking out own shoes when valet calls in sick.
Suffers small cut on finger from errant staple, cited by Hannity for heroically taking an injury in order to save staff.
Drudge reveals rogue nuclear missile launch averted through secret code contained in "My Pet Goat." Kindergarten students actually secret Al-Queda cell directly confronted by manly leader.
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I don't get why the Right is talking about Bush being heroic in Chile.
patriotboy
Heroic moments for the future:
Bush praised for heroically picking out own shoes when valet calls in sick.
Suffers small cut on finger from errant staple, cited by Hannity for heroically taking an injury in order to save staff.
Drudge reveals rogue nuclear missile launch averted through secret code contained in "My Pet Goat." Kindergarten students actually secret Al-Queda cell directly confronted by manly leader.
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Sue - ...and jellyfish. He's scared to hell of jellyfish. And other men's packages.
And duck-tape. And string. And cabbages and forks and cuff-links and orang-utans and magazines and books and soccer-moms and dissent and bad dreams and he fears staying-over at a world-leader's house and accidentally wetting himself.
And he's afraid of pretzels, and beer, and his daughters.
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Sue - ...and jellyfish. He's scared to hell of jellyfish. And other men's packages.
And duck-tape. And string. And cabbages and forks and cuff-links and orang-utans and magazines and books and soccer-moms and dissent and bad dreams and he fears staying-over at a world-leader's house and accidentally wetting himself.
And he's afraid of pretzels, and beer, and his daughters.
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Guys? I'm sorry I called you "moonbat bitches".
Sometimes, when I look in the mirror, I'm just filled with such self-loathing that I have to come over to Eschaton and lash out at somebody. I know it's sick, but it makes me feel better, if only briefly.
Guys? I'm sorry I called you "moonbat bitches".
Sometimes, when I look in the mirror, I'm just filled with such self-loathing that I have to come over to Eschaton and lash out at somebody. I know it's sick, but it makes me feel better, if only briefly.
George Bush strong like bull.
Dumb like spoon.
George Bush strong like bull.
Dumb like spoon.
Clearly, the unpleasant situation in Iraq requires that we immediately deplete our forces in Korea to bolster the war effort.
Or, perhaps, we should reduce our forces in Iraq.
Those on the right have it all figured out.
I guess that explains why our wounded topped 9000 this week. Disgusting.
Clearly, the unpleasant situation in Iraq requires that we immediately deplete our forces in Korea to bolster the war effort.
Or, perhaps, we should reduce our forces in Iraq.
Those on the right have it all figured out.
I guess that explains why our wounded topped 9000 this week. Disgusting.
Autism (or one of it's components such as PDD and Ausbergers) can involve an expressive language disability, a fear of social interactions (involving questions being asked by people in groups) and an inability to remember simple rote facts in a tense situation (which would be helped by a assistative technology device such as a prompter, a spell check or a recorder). But it's preemptive component is fear, because there are so many stressors on the individual, and they don't have the ability to filter out, focus and perform.
Autism (or one of it's components such as PDD and Ausbergers) can involve an expressive language disability, a fear of social interactions (involving questions being asked by people in groups) and an inability to remember simple rote facts in a tense situation (which would be helped by a assistative technology device such as a prompter, a spell check or a recorder). But it's preemptive component is fear, because there are so many stressors on the individual, and they don't have the ability to filter out, focus and perform.
Don't you get it? We have to renege on our agreements to Lil Kim, then make it obvious that we have military resource needs elsewhere, then take our eye off him for a little while, both ignoring him and withdrawing forces...to lure him to a point where he will do something stupid! It's like when a cop doesn't have enough evidence! Granted most cops aren't handling psychopaths with nukes, but...IX/XI!!! IX/XI IX/XI IX/XI!!!
Don't you get it? We have to renege on our agreements to Lil Kim, then make it obvious that we have military resource needs elsewhere, then take our eye off him for a little while, both ignoring him and withdrawing forces...to lure him to a point where he will do something stupid! It's like when a cop doesn't have enough evidence! Granted most cops aren't handling psychopaths with nukes, but...IX/XI!!! IX/XI IX/XI IX/XI!!!
And many autistics have been known to self medicate.
And many autistics have been known to self medicate.
Actually the Earth revolves around the Sun is just a theory. The wording the Church agreed to was the Earth revolves around the Son.
Actually the Earth revolves around the Sun is just a theory. The wording the Church agreed to was the Earth revolves around the Son.
At some point we will have to address whether... the Center for Strategic and International Studies
has any relevance or objectivity....
At some point we will have to address whether... the Center for Strategic and International Studies
has any relevance or objectivity....
the Earth revolves around the Son.
Is that Jesus or George W?
the Earth revolves around the Son.
Is that Jesus or George W?
A personality which has issues with comprehending the whole from the parts, integrating the details and admitting they exist, I'm just saying... it's been seen before, documented, and bush is making no attempt to admit this issue, or addressing it. And worse, noone is calling him on it.
A personality which has issues with comprehending the whole from the parts, integrating the details and admitting they exist, I'm just saying... it's been seen before, documented, and bush is making no attempt to admit this issue, or addressing it. And worse, noone is calling him on it.
Any time anyone says that abstinance is the only way to God's Kingdom, you can well bet they are building an army!
Any time anyone says that abstinance is the only way to God's Kingdom, you can well bet they are building an army!
Iraq will descend further into chaos.
In January they'll hold some fake elections (kinda like the ones we have here sometimes) and then they'll call it done.
Troops will remain, to secure the military bases we'll be keeping in Iraq for years to come.
The media will dutifully stop reporting on anything happening in Iraq that might be considered bad, since it might put a negative light on Our Dear Leader.
Iraq will descend further into chaos.
In January they'll hold some fake elections (kinda like the ones we have here sometimes) and then they'll call it done.
Troops will remain, to secure the military bases we'll be keeping in Iraq for years to come.
The media will dutifully stop reporting on anything happening in Iraq that might be considered bad, since it might put a negative light on Our Dear Leader.
Isn't it ironic that the Bush adminstration has come out critizing the Ukraine electon?
Isn't it ironic that the Bush adminstration has come out critizing the Ukraine electon?
But, the media says we're conquering heroes in Iraq and they're playing Lee Greenwood on every radio station.
But, the media says we're conquering heroes in Iraq and they're playing Lee Greenwood on every radio station.
1228 111 in November.
Thanksgiving is in 2 days, what do these families have to be thankful for.
Where is the media?
When will this stop?
1228 111 in November.
Thanksgiving is in 2 days, what do these families have to be thankful for.
Where is the media?
When will this stop?
Yep DILBY.COM
Yep DILBY.COM
"At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country."
Occupation Watch Bulletin
www.occupationwatch.org
November 21, 2004
By Marjorie Lasky
Slowly, very slowly, the story about what has happened in Falluja is emerging. The numbers of killed and wounded civilians might never be known but we do know that hospitals were flooded with wounded Iraqis, 80% of the 300,000 residents of Falluja fled to neighboring towns, US troops and their Iraqi counterparts destroyed the town, and the U.S. refused access to trucks carrying humanitarian aid. There are also narratives about starving and wounded Iraqis, more than 50 dead and hundreds of wounded US military personnel, the deaths of 1200 "insurgents" and the arrest of approximately 1500 more, a US marine killing an injured and unarmed Iraqi in a mosque, and the discovery of hostage houses where hostages might have been tortured and slain. One needs to remember that most of these reports emanate from either military personnel or reporters embedded with U.S. troops. Occasionally, refugee stories have reached the media, but the lack of coverage from varying perspectives, ten!
ds to provide a limited view of what actually occurred in Falluja.
A commentary by Tom Engelhardt and Jonathan Schell offers a collage of materials from eyewitness reports in Fallujah, mainly appearing in the mainstream media:
"Even the dogs have started to die, their corpses strewn among twisted metal and shattered concrete in a city that looks like it forgot to breathe. The aluminum shutters of shops on the main highway through town have been transformed by the force of war into mangled accordion shapes, flat, sharp, jarring slices of metal that no longer obscure the stacks of silver pots, the plastic-wrapped office furniture, the rolls of carpet...
[T]he Insurgents were putting up their most tenacious resistance as U.S. and Iraqi forces pursued them through a bleak landscape of bombed-out cinder block factories and houses reminiscent of the movie Blade Runner Driving down Highway 10, the main street running east to west through the heart of Fallujah, is like entering a film that is set sometime on the other side of Armageddon. Cars sit on the roofs of buildings. Lamp posts lie at odd angles on the street. Just south of the highway, a minaret has been snapped off near the base like a pretzel stick, and another minaret is missing a huge chunk. Fire has blackened the facade of building after building the city revealed a picture of utter destruction, with concrete houses flattened, mosques in ruins, telegraph poles down, power and phone lines hanging slack and rubble and human remains littering the empty streets. The northwest Jolan district, once an insurgent stronghold, looked like a ghost town, the only sound the rumbling of tank tracks...
Restaurant signs were covered in soot. Pavements were crushed by 70-ton Abrams tanks, and rows of crumbling buil
"At some point we will have to address whether our presence in Iraq is really helping or hindering the country."
Occupation Watch Bulletin
www.occupationwatch.org
November 21, 2004
By Marjorie Lasky
Slowly, very slowly, the story about what has happened in Falluja is emerging. The numbers of killed and wounded civilians might never be known but we do know that hospitals were flooded with wounded Iraqis, 80% of the 300,000 residents of Falluja fled to neighboring towns, US troops and their Iraqi counterparts destroyed the town, and the U.S. refused access to trucks carrying humanitarian aid. There are also narratives about starving and wounded Iraqis, more than 50 dead and hundreds of wounded US military personnel, the deaths of 1200 "insurgents" and the arrest of approximately 1500 more, a US marine killing an injured and unarmed Iraqi in a mosque, and the discovery of hostage houses where hostages might have been tortured and slain. One needs to remember that most of these reports emanate from either military personnel or reporters embedded with U.S. troops. Occasionally, refugee stories have reached the media, but the lack of coverage from varying perspectives, ten!
ds to provide a limited view of what actually occurred in Falluja.
A commentary by Tom Engelhardt and Jonathan Schell offers a collage of materials from eyewitness reports in Fallujah, mainly appearing in the mainstream media:
"Even the dogs have started to die, their corpses strewn among twisted metal and shattered concrete in a city that looks like it forgot to breathe. The aluminum shutters of shops on the main highway through town have been transformed by the force of war into mangled accordion shapes, flat, sharp, jarring slices of metal that no longer obscure the stacks of silver pots, the plastic-wrapped office furniture, the rolls of carpet...
[T]he Insurgents were putting up their most tenacious resistance as U.S. and Iraqi forces pursued them through a bleak landscape of bombed-out cinder block factories and houses reminiscent of the movie Blade Runner Driving down Highway 10, the main street running east to west through the heart of Fallujah, is like entering a film that is set sometime on the other side of Armageddon. Cars sit on the roofs of buildings. Lamp posts lie at odd angles on the street. Just south of the highway, a minaret has been snapped off near the base like a pretzel stick, and another minaret is missing a huge chunk. Fire has blackened the facade of building after building the city revealed a picture of utter destruction, with concrete houses flattened, mosques in ruins, telegraph poles down, power and phone lines hanging slack and rubble and human remains littering the empty streets. The northwest Jolan district, once an insurgent stronghold, looked like a ghost town, the only sound the rumbling of tank tracks...
Restaurant signs were covered in soot. Pavements were crushed by 70-ton Abrams tanks, and rows of crumbling buil
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Restaurant signs were covered in soot. Pavements were crushed by 70-ton Abrams tanks, and rows of crumbling buildings stood on both sides of deserted streets. Upmarket homes with garages looked as if they had been abandoned for years. Cars lay crushed in the middle of streets.
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Restaurant signs were covered in soot. Pavements were crushed by 70-ton Abrams tanks, and rows of crumbling buildings stood on both sides of deserted streets. Upmarket homes with garages looked as if they had been abandoned for years. Cars lay crushed in the middle of streets.
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To paraphrase from "Red Dawn":
"The only difference between us and them?? This is our home!"
[All American anti-Commie insurgent]
To paraphrase from "Red Dawn":
"The only difference between us and them?? This is our home!"
[All American anti-Commie insurgent]
I've noted the similarity between "Red Dawn" and Bush's war. How strange....when you invade a country for no reason then call the residents of that country "rebels" for fighting back....
I've noted the similarity between "Red Dawn" and Bush's war. How strange....when you invade a country for no reason then call the residents of that country "rebels" for fighting back....
At some point we need to assess our -- and their -- realistic options before the country is damaged to the point that it isn't salvagable. I'm not sure which cliche to apply: "be careful not to bite off more than you can chew;" "the beatings will continue until morale improves;" or "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."
At some point we need to assess our -- and their -- realistic options before the country is damaged to the point that it isn't salvagable. I'm not sure which cliche to apply: "be careful not to bite off more than you can chew;" "the beatings will continue until morale improves;" or "when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."
None of the above. It's genocide to install airbases.
And that's ALL it is.
Keep killing until the place is yours. That's the old Hitler motto, and Bush likes it just fine.
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None of the above. It's genocide to install airbases.
And that's ALL it is.
Keep killing until the place is yours. That's the old Hitler motto, and Bush likes it just fine.
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