I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wow! First?
Wow! First?
Or should I say, Frist--but Tommy, not Bill.
Or should I say, Frist--but Tommy, not Bill.
So, can we get some protests going here? The Electoral College vote is coming up soon, as I recall.
So, can we get some protests going here? The Electoral College vote is coming up soon, as I recall.
You know what them Ukrainians need? A good murder trial where a pretty white pregnant woman is offed. Or gays getting married. Then they'd stay home and be properly distracted. Who do they think they are, exercising their democratic rights to fair elections anyway?
You know what them Ukrainians need? A good murder trial where a pretty white pregnant woman is offed. Or gays getting married. Then they'd stay home and be properly distracted. Who do they think they are, exercising their democratic rights to fair elections anyway?
what is the deal anyway?
Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?
At minimum, will we ever get any satisfactory answer for why the exit polls were so incredibly wrong in so many key states???
Grrr.
what is the deal anyway?
Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?
At minimum, will we ever get any satisfactory answer for why the exit polls were so incredibly wrong in so many key states???
Grrr.
Well, in damn commie nations they don't have to work. So, they have time to protest.
In our great Capitalist Democracy, you can't miss work cuz you need the money and they'll outsource your job to some cheap country, like Vietnam.
Well, in damn commie nations they don't have to work. So, they have time to protest.
In our great Capitalist Democracy, you can't miss work cuz you need the money and they'll outsource your job to some cheap country, like Vietnam.
Hecate:
Yesterday you asked if demonstrations would be effective.
I think the events in Ukraine suggest an affirmative answer...
Hecate:
Yesterday you asked if demonstrations would be effective.
I think the events in Ukraine suggest an affirmative answer...
Yanukovych declared the winner.Please stay tuned for the riot.
Yanukovych declared the winner.Please stay tuned for the riot.
So this is what it's come to.....Russians taking to the streets to protest vote fraud while Americans timidly accept theirs.
So this is what it's come to.....Russians taking to the streets to protest vote fraud while Americans timidly accept theirs.
The irony of Washington's threats against Ukraine regarding the election fraud is almost too rich to be true.
Let's see, exit polls don't match the vote count, country is split 47-53, I feel like I've seen this scenario played out before.....
Apparently our official foreign policy is to have no shame.
Happy Thanksgiving to all, please enjoy yourselves and the company of your family and friends.
As bad as things are looking for the reality-based right now, it's good for all of us to remember that there are still plenty of reasons for hope and faith.
The irony of Washington's threats against Ukraine regarding the election fraud is almost too rich to be true.
Let's see, exit polls don't match the vote count, country is split 47-53, I feel like I've seen this scenario played out before.....
Apparently our official foreign policy is to have no shame.
Happy Thanksgiving to all, please enjoy yourselves and the company of your family and friends.
As bad as things are looking for the reality-based right now, it's good for all of us to remember that there are still plenty of reasons for hope and faith.
If there were demonstrations in the US, just imagine how they would be portrayed by our "independent" press.
DC is in lockdown.
You can't take a picture of the White House.
Protest = Security Threat.
WE ARE SCREWED.
If there were demonstrations in the US, just imagine how they would be portrayed by our "independent" press.
DC is in lockdown.
You can't take a picture of the White House.
Protest = Security Threat.
WE ARE SCREWED.
jack-o -- you ain't wrong brother. On all counts.
Gotta run, but I will be around this weekend. To those of you going off to family & friends, a safe and happy holiday. You guys are high among the things I'm thankful for this year.
jack-o -- you ain't wrong brother. On all counts.
Gotta run, but I will be around this weekend. To those of you going off to family & friends, a safe and happy holiday. You guys are high among the things I'm thankful for this year.
We have always been at war against Citizenia.
We have always been at war against Citizenia.
..We are very comfortable here and take way too much for granted. It would take a lot - a whole lot - to get us out in the streets protesting, I believe. We actually take authoritarian power without a real whimper and will sit down and shut up when told. Many Europeans and people from the British Isles have told us so on the blogs before and I believe them. The question is, "what would it take and how long would it take to get that result?" In my opinion it would take a world class shattering of the "world order" here across the whole country. Actually, under the surface people are kind of tense right now, but there is no trigger and no real sense of enough problems with the election to engender that kind of response...yet...My guess is if the people who were against the result started to protest, there would be violent reaction to that by the people who supported Bush.
..We are very comfortable here and take way too much for granted. It would take a lot - a whole lot - to get us out in the streets protesting, I believe. We actually take authoritarian power without a real whimper and will sit down and shut up when told. Many Europeans and people from the British Isles have told us so on the blogs before and I believe them. The question is, "what would it take and how long would it take to get that result?" In my opinion it would take a world class shattering of the "world order" here across the whole country. Actually, under the surface people are kind of tense right now, but there is no trigger and no real sense of enough problems with the election to engender that kind of response...yet...My guess is if the people who were against the result started to protest, there would be violent reaction to that by the people who supported Bush.
Well, in damn commie nations they don't have to work. So, they have time to protest.
In our great Capitalist Democracy, you can't miss work cuz you need the money and they'll outsource your job to some cheap country, like Vietnam.
I know you are being sarcastic here, but shit, this is important.
If there was SOME sort of mass organized protest, I would take a few days off work to go.
I said before the election if there is any funny business, I will go out and protest. But I'm not going to go alone, and unfortunately no one seems to be organizing anything.
The best I can hope for is that there is a mass protest at the boy-kings coronation. I will definitely go to that if there is something planned.
Well, in damn commie nations they don't have to work. So, they have time to protest.
In our great Capitalist Democracy, you can't miss work cuz you need the money and they'll outsource your job to some cheap country, like Vietnam.
I know you are being sarcastic here, but shit, this is important.
If there was SOME sort of mass organized protest, I would take a few days off work to go.
I said before the election if there is any funny business, I will go out and protest. But I'm not going to go alone, and unfortunately no one seems to be organizing anything.
The best I can hope for is that there is a mass protest at the boy-kings coronation. I will definitely go to that if there is something planned.
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's Central Election Commission on Wednesday declared Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich the winner in a presidential election denounced by the opposition as subject to mass fraud.
KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's Central Election Commission on Wednesday declared Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovich the winner in a presidential election denounced by the opposition as subject to mass fraud.
By the way, at least someone is getting impeached over the mess in Iraq.
If only it were our guy...
By the way, at least someone is getting impeached over the mess in Iraq.
If only it were our guy...
When Reagan's and Bush I's terrorism succeeded in Nicaragua and they voted for the corrupt and incompetent Violetta C. Noam Chomsky pointed out that the people of the United States wouldn't have resisted anywhere near as long. The reaction to the 2000 election demonstrated that he was probably right, the failure of the U.S. population to insist or real electoral reform proves him right.
We've got to take our elections back. It must give rise to great hilarity around the world to have the most famous beneficiary of a stollen election lecturing Uks about honest elections. It should make everyone here blush with shame but ignorance is bliss. And our media will make sure it stays that way.
Yeah, it looks like it was stollen too but who are we to throw stones.
When Reagan's and Bush I's terrorism succeeded in Nicaragua and they voted for the corrupt and incompetent Violetta C. Noam Chomsky pointed out that the people of the United States wouldn't have resisted anywhere near as long. The reaction to the 2000 election demonstrated that he was probably right, the failure of the U.S. population to insist or real electoral reform proves him right.
We've got to take our elections back. It must give rise to great hilarity around the world to have the most famous beneficiary of a stollen election lecturing Uks about honest elections. It should make everyone here blush with shame but ignorance is bliss. And our media will make sure it stays that way.
Yeah, it looks like it was stollen too but who are we to throw stones.
I do find it funny (OK ironic and sad) that the Bushies are asking Ukraine not to certify the election until allegations of fraud are looked into. This from people who couldn't get Kerry to concede fast enough. And why are liberal blogs the only place where anyone points out that irony?
I do find it funny (OK ironic and sad) that the Bushies are asking Ukraine not to certify the election until allegations of fraud are looked into. This from people who couldn't get Kerry to concede fast enough. And why are liberal blogs the only place where anyone points out that irony?
Alexander, see my followup post in the logistics of protesting in DC.
Alexander, see my followup post in the logistics of protesting in DC.
What Alexander said:
I was prepared to join any protest over the election and I still am. But I'm not going alone - it is useless. Unless there is a large number of us, it is meaningless.
What Alexander said:
I was prepared to join any protest over the election and I still am. But I'm not going alone - it is useless. Unless there is a large number of us, it is meaningless.
WHY?
Why can't we organize a protest through this blog?
Or some other well known blog with lots of traffic.
WHY NOT HERE?
WHY?
Why can't we organize a protest through this blog?
Or some other well known blog with lots of traffic.
WHY NOT HERE?
There's the old Tom Wolfe line that if you take away the east and west coasts from the US you are left with the Ukraine. Seems even more appropriate now.
There's the old Tom Wolfe line that if you take away the east and west coasts from the US you are left with the Ukraine. Seems even more appropriate now.
Unfortunately, Cheney_USA is right, the press would open up a whole new can of whoopass on people with brains, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done. We should be in the streets. Even if it does no good, and it probably wouldn't, we can and should LOUDLY speak the truth to the world, that we know what is being done. We owe it to the people with brains.
Unfortunately, Cheney_USA is right, the press would open up a whole new can of whoopass on people with brains, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done. We should be in the streets. Even if it does no good, and it probably wouldn't, we can and should LOUDLY speak the truth to the world, that we know what is being done. We owe it to the people with brains.
Why can't we organize a protest through this blog?
You want an effective protest, boycott Christmas. If you must buy buy from No Sweats, Equal Exchange coffees, Ox Fam America's store or any number of other, non-profit or non-exploitative sources.
A two percent downturn in Christmas buying linked to protest against the corrupt elections would scare them to death. A larger one could disrupt the Republican majority's plans. Money is the only thing they care about, witholding ours is our most powerful tool.
Continue the CNNclaire boycott. Carville, Begalla, Brazil, resign in disgust or be sullied in history.
Why can't we organize a protest through this blog?
You want an effective protest, boycott Christmas. If you must buy buy from No Sweats, Equal Exchange coffees, Ox Fam America's store or any number of other, non-profit or non-exploitative sources.
A two percent downturn in Christmas buying linked to protest against the corrupt elections would scare them to death. A larger one could disrupt the Republican majority's plans. Money is the only thing they care about, witholding ours is our most powerful tool.
Continue the CNNclaire boycott. Carville, Begalla, Brazil, resign in disgust or be sullied in history.
The only way you'd see this kind of uprising in the US is if gasoline overnight went up to $5 a gallon. And maybe not even then.
People in this country are fat and complacent. They assume things will go on pretty much as they always have, and in that they are pretty much correct - rights will continue to be eroded, the tax burden will continue to be shifted, wealth will continue to accumulate in the hands of the few. But like the frog in the pan of water slowly being heated, as long as they have their reality TV, their SUV, their McMansion and their cheap gasoline, they don't notice and they don't care.
It would take the threat of them losing their material comfort to get them off their asses. And of course, by then, the damage will be done.
Apologies to those of you who desperately want to believe we're better than this (and to those of you who ARE better than this - which means the vast majority of posters here). But in terms of who's really paying attention, we are, sadly, a small minority.
The only way you'd see this kind of uprising in the US is if gasoline overnight went up to $5 a gallon. And maybe not even then.
People in this country are fat and complacent. They assume things will go on pretty much as they always have, and in that they are pretty much correct - rights will continue to be eroded, the tax burden will continue to be shifted, wealth will continue to accumulate in the hands of the few. But like the frog in the pan of water slowly being heated, as long as they have their reality TV, their SUV, their McMansion and their cheap gasoline, they don't notice and they don't care.
It would take the threat of them losing their material comfort to get them off their asses. And of course, by then, the damage will be done.
Apologies to those of you who desperately want to believe we're better than this (and to those of you who ARE better than this - which means the vast majority of posters here). But in terms of who's really paying attention, we are, sadly, a small minority.
And what EPT said. Money is the key. Boycotts and strikes are the way to get their attention. I know I'm not "doing" Christmas this year; no need for me to prop up the phony "mandate". Plus I have a feeling I'll be needing that money for essentials before all is said and done.
And what EPT said. Money is the key. Boycotts and strikes are the way to get their attention. I know I'm not "doing" Christmas this year; no need for me to prop up the phony "mandate". Plus I have a feeling I'll be needing that money for essentials before all is said and done.
just read a good piece from the oregonian about an election obsever who went down to florida and was disgusted by what she saw.
i am convinced that kerry won.
by the way, if you want to see a beautiful piece of media whoring, just go to the ny observer and scroll down to the dan rather piece by one j. hagen! then go down to where he smears,ah, profiles keith olberman.
send all appreciative emails to this hagen piece of ass.
just read a good piece from the oregonian about an election obsever who went down to florida and was disgusted by what she saw.
i am convinced that kerry won.
by the way, if you want to see a beautiful piece of media whoring, just go to the ny observer and scroll down to the dan rather piece by one j. hagen! then go down to where he smears,ah, profiles keith olberman.
send all appreciative emails to this hagen piece of ass.
There's the old Tom Wolfe line that if you take away the east and west coasts from the US you are left with the Ukraine. Seems even more appropriate now.
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 11:58 am | #
Not to go OT, and not to diminish your point, but does anyone know how Tom Wolfe devolved into such an irrelevant old fuck? His TDS appearance was just the final straw after his apparent support for Bush...
There's the old Tom Wolfe line that if you take away the east and west coasts from the US you are left with the Ukraine. Seems even more appropriate now.
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 11:58 am | #
Not to go OT, and not to diminish your point, but does anyone know how Tom Wolfe devolved into such an irrelevant old fuck? His TDS appearance was just the final straw after his apparent support for Bush...
I tend to agree w/ EPT. Write letters to your credit cards and dept. stores saying you won't be buying out of protest. This could work.
I tend to agree w/ EPT. Write letters to your credit cards and dept. stores saying you won't be buying out of protest. This could work.
I admit I'm going to be buying a few things for family, but the rest my wife and I are making donations as gifts.
I admit I'm going to be buying a few things for family, but the rest my wife and I are making donations as gifts.
About the Ukrainian election, I'm not so sure that these protests haven't been engineered by someone like George Soros.
About the Ukrainian election, I'm not so sure that these protests haven't been engineered by someone like George Soros.
boycotting christmas sounds like a good idea to me.
But if someone is organizing a protest, I'll go. Fuck the media. I don't care about being arrested. It's time for some civil disobediance as far as I am concerned.
boycotting christmas sounds like a good idea to me.
But if someone is organizing a protest, I'll go. Fuck the media. I don't care about being arrested. It's time for some civil disobediance as far as I am concerned.
Pet Peeve No. 845:
It's "Ukraine." Not "The Ukraine."
Pet Peeve No. 845:
It's "Ukraine." Not "The Ukraine."
What the Ukraine needs is a good Patriot Act. I'm sick and tired of these protesting troublemakers who hate Freedom.
What the Ukraine needs is a good Patriot Act. I'm sick and tired of these protesting troublemakers who hate Freedom.
Pet peeve NO. 846: people with pet peeves.
Pet peeve NO. 846: people with pet peeves.
Pet Peeve No. 2113: Kissinger still alive.
Pet Peeve No. 2113: Kissinger still alive.
Matt,
It's Ukraine *now*. For the other 40 years of my life it was "the Ukraine". I don't mean to be cranky, but damnit, if they want to change their name, doesn't mean I have to go along with it.
Never learned the metric system either.
Matt,
It's Ukraine *now*. For the other 40 years of my life it was "the Ukraine". I don't mean to be cranky, but damnit, if they want to change their name, doesn't mean I have to go along with it.
Never learned the metric system either.
Once heard a salty old woman say, I don't pet my peeves.
Once heard a salty old woman say, I don't pet my peeves.
Sounds as if they take election fraud seriously in the [sic] Ukraine
...because ... they know that political freedoms don't come in a tube or out of a fawcett?
.
Sounds as if they take election fraud seriously in the [sic] Ukraine
...because ... they know that political freedoms don't come in a tube or out of a fawcett?
.
What do you feed a pet peeve? Are they difficult to housebreak?
What do you feed a pet peeve? Are they difficult to housebreak?
This grilled cheese sandwich is fundie spin.
The Virgin had a wart on her chin.
It makes holy hearts ache
When icons are just faked.
Don't exploit ev'ry fucking bumpkin.
This grilled cheese sandwich is fundie spin.
The Virgin had a wart on her chin.
It makes holy hearts ache
When icons are just faked.
Don't exploit ev'ry fucking bumpkin.
Just not buying isn't enough. We need to write and tell stores, the media, and credit card companies why we're not buying and when we'll start again, for example when we have a verifiable vote for everyone in America.
DC will be locked down too tight when Lame Duckie gets coronated. They learned that they could do it during the campaign.
But the blogs and the internets could organize a no-buy-xmas, esp. if we could get a group like MoveOn involved.
Just not buying isn't enough. We need to write and tell stores, the media, and credit card companies why we're not buying and when we'll start again, for example when we have a verifiable vote for everyone in America.
DC will be locked down too tight when Lame Duckie gets coronated. They learned that they could do it during the campaign.
But the blogs and the internets could organize a no-buy-xmas, esp. if we could get a group like MoveOn involved.
Apparently our official foreign policy is to have no shame.
I would say our official policy on all matter of things is to have no shame.
And, yes, the irony of the situation in Ukraine, as opposed to here, is getting to me.
Apparently our official foreign policy is to have no shame.
I would say our official policy on all matter of things is to have no shame.
And, yes, the irony of the situation in Ukraine, as opposed to here, is getting to me.
if they want to change their name, doesn't mean I have to go along with it.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
if they want to change their name, doesn't mean I have to go along with it.
Istanbul was Constantinople
Now it's Istanbul, not Constantinople
Been a long time gone, Constantinople
Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night
Every gal in Constantinople
Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople
So if you've a date in Constantinople
She'll be waiting in Istanbul
Even old New York was once New Amsterdam
Why they changed it I can't say
People just liked it better that way
I heard this morning there had been a court ruling in Ohio that the ballots will not be recounted until after the election is certified. We are back where we were 4 years ago: pick a winner, then count the votes.
We are being put to shame by the people of Ukraine.
I heard this morning there had been a court ruling in Ohio that the ballots will not be recounted until after the election is certified. We are back where we were 4 years ago: pick a winner, then count the votes.
We are being put to shame by the people of Ukraine.
Boycotting Christmas seems like a good idea. And pretty damned easy too, seeing as how I don't have any "disposable" cash on hand anyway.
Boycotting Christmas seems like a good idea. And pretty damned easy too, seeing as how I don't have any "disposable" cash on hand anyway.
Apparently our official foreign policy is to have no shame.
Yes, well that began with Bush 41:I will never apologize for the United States of America – I don't care what the facts are. -George Bush, Newsweek, August 15, 1989
Apparently our official foreign policy is to have no shame.
Yes, well that began with Bush 41:I will never apologize for the United States of America – I don't care what the facts are. -George Bush, Newsweek, August 15, 1989
Hecate, I've been meaning to let you know that I agree with the no christmas thing 100%. I won't be doing presents or decorations, but we will have a family meal. And you're right, telling the merchandisers IS important. It's another form of protest.
Hecate, I've been meaning to let you know that I agree with the no christmas thing 100%. I won't be doing presents or decorations, but we will have a family meal. And you're right, telling the merchandisers IS important. It's another form of protest.
Never learned the metric system either.
njpineygal
I hear it's popular in the Etats Unitee de Canada
Never learned the metric system either.
njpineygal
I hear it's popular in the Etats Unitee de Canada
inter argc...Tom Wolfe seems to have peaked with "The Right Stuff." "Bonfire of the Vanities" had its moments, but nothing like the sharp satire of "Radical Chic" and "Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers." Wolfe seems more interested in the lifestyles of the rich and famous now than any serious ideas.
inter argc...Tom Wolfe seems to have peaked with "The Right Stuff." "Bonfire of the Vanities" had its moments, but nothing like the sharp satire of "Radical Chic" and "Mau Mauing the Flak Catchers." Wolfe seems more interested in the lifestyles of the rich and famous now than any serious ideas.
Wolfe seems more interested in the lifestyles of the rich and famous now than any serious ideas.
Fed up
or the young and sexy, according to his latest
Wolfe seems more interested in the lifestyles of the rich and famous now than any serious ideas.
Fed up
or the young and sexy, according to his latest
Fed up,
Yeah, I have to admit that's true. I read "Man in Full" and found it mildly entertaining, but a little too Horatio Alger, which is usually a sign of Republican leanings. As you say, he was a little obsessed with the day-to-day life of a rich cracker. Another drawback to that book is that he writes terrible dialogue for black characters...
I just can't understand how he went from hangin' with the Hell's Angels and Ken Kesey (I loved EKAT) to supporting GWB. Did the man ever have any integrity?
Fed up,
Yeah, I have to admit that's true. I read "Man in Full" and found it mildly entertaining, but a little too Horatio Alger, which is usually a sign of Republican leanings. As you say, he was a little obsessed with the day-to-day life of a rich cracker. Another drawback to that book is that he writes terrible dialogue for black characters...
I just can't understand how he went from hangin' with the Hell's Angels and Ken Kesey (I loved EKAT) to supporting GWB. Did the man ever have any integrity?
It was always just Ukraine to the Ukrainians (not Russians, btw), and "the" Ukraine to the Russians, who liked to pretend that is was just a part of Russia, and not a nation in its own right.
The party in power (communists in "democrat" suits) was so corrupt that they felt they could run anyone and falsify the election so as to continue their kleptocratic reign. They nominated a mafia-connected criminal with previous convictions for assault, theft and rape. And the people objected.
They tried to kill the opposition candiate twice, once in an auto accident, and once with poison.
The vote fraud was massive and, without Diebold, has been easily documented. Millions of extra absentee ballots, >100% voter turnout at many precincts, and malreporting of actual counts. Independent and opposition poll/count watchers were ejected from many precincts in which the fraud was allowed to occur.
There are a million people in the streets of Kiev today, braving cold and snow. Kuchma (the current president) is guarded by Russian special forces because he doesn't trust Ukrainian soldiers not to turn on him. And the army is unlikely to support the government against the people.
It was always just Ukraine to the Ukrainians (not Russians, btw), and "the" Ukraine to the Russians, who liked to pretend that is was just a part of Russia, and not a nation in its own right.
The party in power (communists in "democrat" suits) was so corrupt that they felt they could run anyone and falsify the election so as to continue their kleptocratic reign. They nominated a mafia-connected criminal with previous convictions for assault, theft and rape. And the people objected.
They tried to kill the opposition candiate twice, once in an auto accident, and once with poison.
The vote fraud was massive and, without Diebold, has been easily documented. Millions of extra absentee ballots, >100% voter turnout at many precincts, and malreporting of actual counts. Independent and opposition poll/count watchers were ejected from many precincts in which the fraud was allowed to occur.
There are a million people in the streets of Kiev today, braving cold and snow. Kuchma (the current president) is guarded by Russian special forces because he doesn't trust Ukrainian soldiers not to turn on him. And the army is unlikely to support the government against the people.
Yeah, njpineygal-- I have the typical Amerikan brain-block for geography, and it doesn't help when countries change their names. I can sort of remember that "Burma" is now "Myanmar," but not easily. And for all I know it may be something else by now. Or maybe it's just spelled "Miianhmahr," as supercilious peeved Burmologists-- whoops, I mean "Myanmarologists"-- will so readily condescend to inform those who err.
Yeah, njpineygal-- I have the typical Amerikan brain-block for geography, and it doesn't help when countries change their names. I can sort of remember that "Burma" is now "Myanmar," but not easily. And for all I know it may be something else by now. Or maybe it's just spelled "Miianhmahr," as supercilious peeved Burmologists-- whoops, I mean "Myanmarologists"-- will so readily condescend to inform those who err.
I admit I'm going to be buying a few things for family, but the rest my wife and I are making donations as gifts.
I will be giving the gift of music via the artists that had the courage to work for regime change, apparently some were hit hard both by nutjob AM and sellout corporate FM (I recommend
Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, or anything by WIllie Nelson)
I admit I'm going to be buying a few things for family, but the rest my wife and I are making donations as gifts.
I will be giving the gift of music via the artists that had the courage to work for regime change, apparently some were hit hard both by nutjob AM and sellout corporate FM (I recommend
Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne, or anything by WIllie Nelson)
I won't venture further than this into literary criticism, but I used to like Wolfe because he was in the vanguard of New Journalism. He had a sharp eye for detail and hypocrisy. Today's Repugs and the religious right would have been prime targets for Wolfe 30 years ago, but not today. He seems more interested in the sex lives of college kids and making hit and run stockbrokers and crooked real estate developers seem picked upon.
I won't venture further than this into literary criticism, but I used to like Wolfe because he was in the vanguard of New Journalism. He had a sharp eye for detail and hypocrisy. Today's Repugs and the religious right would have been prime targets for Wolfe 30 years ago, but not today. He seems more interested in the sex lives of college kids and making hit and run stockbrokers and crooked real estate developers seem picked upon.
Proper terminology:
- The Ukraine
- The Urals
- The Batman
Proper terminology:
- The Ukraine
- The Urals
- The Batman
Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?
The election is not, in fact, past, and existing avenues of correction within the system, particularly in Ohio though not exclusively there, are being actively pursued. I'm not entirely sure that the attention gathered by major protest would be beneficial, or if it would do more to lead to popular fatigue with the issue by the time (if it got to that point) that "normal" corrective action like the Ohio recount was exhausted and truly unusual steps like pressure on the Congress and more extreme action was necessary.
Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?
The election is not, in fact, past, and existing avenues of correction within the system, particularly in Ohio though not exclusively there, are being actively pursued. I'm not entirely sure that the attention gathered by major protest would be beneficial, or if it would do more to lead to popular fatigue with the issue by the time (if it got to that point) that "normal" corrective action like the Ohio recount was exhausted and truly unusual steps like pressure on the Congress and more extreme action was necessary.
Why did Constantinople get the works?
Why did Constantinople get the works?
For those who didn't learn the metric system: I still can't cook in ounces and pounds, and I'm not quite sure how cold 50 Fahrenheit is. It's hard to change after the age of ten or so.
I've been following all the election "inaccuracy' stuff in some detail on the net, and essentially there is an enormous amount of circumstancial evidence. So many important indicators before the election turned out to be wrong, the exit polls were not only off but largely off in the very same direction (which is usually called bias), but nobody has given a proper explanation of why this bias would happen. Then there were all the numbers about how Democrats were signing more new voters almost everywhere, and I saw only one article before the elections about voter work through churches.
Something very odd happened. If it isn't the elections themselves that are off then the alternative explanation is that both the media failed to report on the Republicans vote-getting effort, the exit polls were wrong more than they have ever been before and that all early indicators were off, too. And I would like to see this explained.
But the explanations I have seen try to account for each of these issues with several different and quite unrelated explanations. All of these supposedly just 'happened' together.
For those who didn't learn the metric system: I still can't cook in ounces and pounds, and I'm not quite sure how cold 50 Fahrenheit is. It's hard to change after the age of ten or so.
I've been following all the election "inaccuracy' stuff in some detail on the net, and essentially there is an enormous amount of circumstancial evidence. So many important indicators before the election turned out to be wrong, the exit polls were not only off but largely off in the very same direction (which is usually called bias), but nobody has given a proper explanation of why this bias would happen. Then there were all the numbers about how Democrats were signing more new voters almost everywhere, and I saw only one article before the elections about voter work through churches.
Something very odd happened. If it isn't the elections themselves that are off then the alternative explanation is that both the media failed to report on the Republicans vote-getting effort, the exit polls were wrong more than they have ever been before and that all early indicators were off, too. And I would like to see this explained.
But the explanations I have seen try to account for each of these issues with several different and quite unrelated explanations. All of these supposedly just 'happened' together.
BlakNo1--
That's not your business.
Unless, of course, you are a Turk.
BlakNo1--
That's not your business.
Unless, of course, you are a Turk.
Didn't see this elsewhere: the election has been declared for the Kremlin-backed candidate. According to Yahoo news, anywho....
Didn't see this elsewhere: the election has been declared for the Kremlin-backed candidate. According to Yahoo news, anywho....
Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?
See www.peoplejudgebush.org. There are protests slated in numerous cities Dec 11, Jan 20 and March 20. Already have had 3 here in Little Beiruit (Portland) since 11/3. One involved a ceremonial burial of the vote with a march to the Oregonian (newspaper). These were much smaller than the 50,000 we'll likely have here on 1/20, so very little media.
Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?
See www.peoplejudgebush.org. There are protests slated in numerous cities Dec 11, Jan 20 and March 20. Already have had 3 here in Little Beiruit (Portland) since 11/3. One involved a ceremonial burial of the vote with a march to the Oregonian (newspaper). These were much smaller than the 50,000 we'll likely have here on 1/20, so very little media.
OT: Thanks for turning us on to Ruth Gendler's Book of Qualities a couple of weeks ago. I just got my (signed by the author) copy from her and it's wonderful.
I quit doing the shopping/presents thing a few years ago. I told all of my friends and family, "I promise I won't buy you a present if you promise you won't buy me one." I thought some of them might actually enjoy that aspect of the "holiday season" and be offended but the response was a loud and universal, "Thanks!" We use the time and money saved to get together (parties, dinners, cookie baking) instead.
My local daily had an editorial today that said basically, "OK folks, get ready to get your butts to the mall on Friday and drive yourselves further into debt to prop up the economy!"
But there are a couple of birthdays coming up in my little world and I think Ruth's going to get some more orders from me.
Link to Ruth's site for anyone who wants to check it out that missed it the first time.
OT: Thanks for turning us on to Ruth Gendler's Book of Qualities a couple of weeks ago. I just got my (signed by the author) copy from her and it's wonderful.
I quit doing the shopping/presents thing a few years ago. I told all of my friends and family, "I promise I won't buy you a present if you promise you won't buy me one." I thought some of them might actually enjoy that aspect of the "holiday season" and be offended but the response was a loud and universal, "Thanks!" We use the time and money saved to get together (parties, dinners, cookie baking) instead.
My local daily had an editorial today that said basically, "OK folks, get ready to get your butts to the mall on Friday and drive yourselves further into debt to prop up the economy!"
But there are a couple of birthdays coming up in my little world and I think Ruth's going to get some more orders from me.
Link to Ruth's site for anyone who wants to check it out that missed it the first time.
Why did Constantinople get the works?
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:49 pm | #
Okay, I'll bite.
That's nobody's business but the Turks!
Why did Constantinople get the works?
BlakNo1 | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:49 pm | #
Okay, I'll bite.
That's nobody's business but the Turks!
Shameless blogwhoring:
Check my latest post (click homepage) for a list of blogs that follow the events in Ukraine closely.
You can flame me later for being a blogwhore, go and check the blogs. This is live history, people.
Shameless blogwhoring:
Check my latest post (click homepage) for a list of blogs that follow the events in Ukraine closely.
You can flame me later for being a blogwhore, go and check the blogs. This is live history, people.
Boycotting Christmas seems like a good idea.>/i>
We're going to be giving ourselves the precious gift of &#$!@* home heating oil, which is goddamn expensive this year.
Boycotting Christmas seems like a good idea.>/i>
We're going to be giving ourselves the precious gift of &#$!@* home heating oil, which is goddamn expensive this year.
I can sort of remember that "Burma" is now "Myanmar,"
"Myanmar" is the junta's name for it. It's still called Burma by other people, like her.
I can sort of remember that "Burma" is now "Myanmar,"
"Myanmar" is the junta's name for it. It's still called Burma by other people, like her.
We're also going to get together with the other Whos in Whoville and sing annoying freaking nonsense word carols to piss off our sourpuss neighbors. And then we'll sing Who songs, like "A Quick One While He's Away."
We're also going to get together with the other Whos in Whoville and sing annoying freaking nonsense word carols to piss off our sourpuss neighbors. And then we'll sing Who songs, like "A Quick One While He's Away."
In the English language "the" is stuck in front of territorial names where the territory is provisional, undefined or "out there some place," such as both the US and Canadian "Northwest Territories." People in Yukon have turned against "the Yukon" because they know what that "the" means.
OTOH just because some dictator insists that foreigners use what they think is a more authentic style of name (Kampuchea, Myanmar, Zaire) doesn't meant that the name really is authentic and won't be changed back.
And if you call your country a "Democratic Republic" in this day and age it's practically an admission that you are involved in mass murder.
In the English language "the" is stuck in front of territorial names where the territory is provisional, undefined or "out there some place," such as both the US and Canadian "Northwest Territories." People in Yukon have turned against "the Yukon" because they know what that "the" means.
OTOH just because some dictator insists that foreigners use what they think is a more authentic style of name (Kampuchea, Myanmar, Zaire) doesn't meant that the name really is authentic and won't be changed back.
And if you call your country a "Democratic Republic" in this day and age it's practically an admission that you are involved in mass murder.
It is easier to have revolutions in places like Ukraine because the entire country is the size of one of our states.
Dc is deep in Red Territory for a reason: so masses of people from the blue places have to travel a long ways to protest.
And further: we were fake revolutionaries from day one. This is why our "revolution" enshrined SLAVERY.
It is easier to have revolutions in places like Ukraine because the entire country is the size of one of our states.
Dc is deep in Red Territory for a reason: so masses of people from the blue places have to travel a long ways to protest.
And further: we were fake revolutionaries from day one. This is why our "revolution" enshrined SLAVERY.
I can sort of remember that "Burma" is now "Myanmar,"
And Tibet and Hong Kong are now called, uhhhh...oh yeah, China.
I can sort of remember that "Burma" is now "Myanmar,"
And Tibet and Hong Kong are now called, uhhhh...oh yeah, China.
i'm having a WhoVille Xmas--
home-made gifts and/or bags of co-op groceries (non perishable) & Green Pages/AFL-CIO business directories for the people who might be too sad if i don't give them something.
small kids will get whatever i can find at the co-op that kids might like (they have a small selection of fair-trade toys, t-shirts, mittens, books, etc. at the one where i go.)
there is also always the Good Will Shop option--not only are you redeeming "junk" but you are also giving to a charity by shopping at such places (while staying OFF the retail consumer radar screen.)
ABSOLUTELY NO DECORATIONS, NO CARDS, NO WRAPPING PAPER (unless i have time to make them from random stuff i have around the house.)
they can steal the election, but they can't force me to be "jolly" about it!
the money thing is a good point--when people in inner-city neighborhoods form groups to try and build up their local communities, one big issue for them is how to KEEP the money they have IN THEIR COMMUNITY (shopping local, etc.) and maybe that is something that WE need to find a way to do, but in a "cyber" fashion?
OUR "community" is not all in one geographic place, but couldn't we still KEEP our money circulating in "green" or progressive circles?
this has the added benefit of enforcing our own ad-hoc sort of "economic sanctions" on the corporations that are in violation of our ethics...
just my random thoughts.
-L.
i'm having a WhoVille Xmas--
home-made gifts and/or bags of co-op groceries (non perishable) & Green Pages/AFL-CIO business directories for the people who might be too sad if i don't give them something.
small kids will get whatever i can find at the co-op that kids might like (they have a small selection of fair-trade toys, t-shirts, mittens, books, etc. at the one where i go.)
there is also always the Good Will Shop option--not only are you redeeming "junk" but you are also giving to a charity by shopping at such places (while staying OFF the retail consumer radar screen.)
ABSOLUTELY NO DECORATIONS, NO CARDS, NO WRAPPING PAPER (unless i have time to make them from random stuff i have around the house.)
they can steal the election, but they can't force me to be "jolly" about it!
the money thing is a good point--when people in inner-city neighborhoods form groups to try and build up their local communities, one big issue for them is how to KEEP the money they have IN THEIR COMMUNITY (shopping local, etc.) and maybe that is something that WE need to find a way to do, but in a "cyber" fashion?
OUR "community" is not all in one geographic place, but couldn't we still KEEP our money circulating in "green" or progressive circles?
this has the added benefit of enforcing our own ad-hoc sort of "economic sanctions" on the corporations that are in violation of our ethics...
just my random thoughts.
-L.
In the English language "the" is stuck in front of territorial names where the territory is provisional, undefined So what does that "The Johns Hopkins University"?
In the English language "the" is stuck in front of territorial names where the territory is provisional, undefined So what does that "The Johns Hopkins University"?
Thanks for the correction; I took out the "the". Guess I'm showing my age!
Thanks for the correction; I took out the "the". Guess I'm showing my age!
I plan to buy used books, used cds, and used etc. from local shops as Christmas gifts. Fuck consumption, buy USED!
I also plan to mill about the steps of my state capitol building with some friends and a thermos of spiked hot chocolate on Inauguration Day. I have a feeling there will be others there, as well.
I plan to buy used books, used cds, and used etc. from local shops as Christmas gifts. Fuck consumption, buy USED!
I also plan to mill about the steps of my state capitol building with some friends and a thermos of spiked hot chocolate on Inauguration Day. I have a feeling there will be others there, as well.
And "Myanmar Shave" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
And "Myanmar Shave" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
It's what I do best. Nitpick.
And, hey, what's the deal with airline food? Hello?
It's what I do best. Nitpick.
And, hey, what's the deal with airline food? Hello?
And then we'll sing Who songs, like "A Quick One While He's Away."
Thersites
Ooh! I wanna sing Leave the Dishes in the Sink, Ma!
And then we'll sing Who songs, like "A Quick One While He's Away."
Thersites
Ooh! I wanna sing Leave the Dishes in the Sink, Ma!
Texan...all media, national and local, hype the day after Thanksgiving shopping melee. Now some retailers, most notably KMart and Sears, are staying open on Thanksgiving Day so people can buy more crap. So much for the employees enjoying a holiday with their families, something I would call a family value. The irony is so delicious. It was not enough to have the day after Thanksgiving as a big shopping day. Now the retailers want Thanksgiving Day itself, a day supposedly set aside to reflect and give thanks. Christmas, established by the Church on December 25th in part to counteract pagan celebrations surrounding the winter solstice, has itself become a pagan celebration of greed and materialism.
Texan...all media, national and local, hype the day after Thanksgiving shopping melee. Now some retailers, most notably KMart and Sears, are staying open on Thanksgiving Day so people can buy more crap. So much for the employees enjoying a holiday with their families, something I would call a family value. The irony is so delicious. It was not enough to have the day after Thanksgiving as a big shopping day. Now the retailers want Thanksgiving Day itself, a day supposedly set aside to reflect and give thanks. Christmas, established by the Church on December 25th in part to counteract pagan celebrations surrounding the winter solstice, has itself become a pagan celebration of greed and materialism.
I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
I give Harper's magazine subs for xmas. Always sure to please, the whole year round...
I give Harper's magazine subs for xmas. Always sure to please, the whole year round...
And I like that Leonard Cohen song about Sri Lanka too...
"Ceylon, Ceylon, oh mighty ship of state..."
And I like that Leonard Cohen song about Sri Lanka too...
"Ceylon, Ceylon, oh mighty ship of state..."
Some low and middle income folks will get the gift of reduced chances for higher education this year. See any connection to the third presidential debate, PELL grants anyone?
Some low and middle income folks will get the gift of reduced chances for higher education this year. See any connection to the third presidential debate, PELL grants anyone?
always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
elkal | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:02 pm
I've got it! We'll use the name for an on-line magazine. BRILLIANT!!!
always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
elkal | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:02 pm
I've got it! We'll use the name for an on-line magazine. BRILLIANT!!!
I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
We can use it for the tea that's grown there.
I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
We can use it for the tea that's grown there.
All Burma Shave, Ceylon tea and Siamese cats must be destroyed.
All Burma Shave, Ceylon tea and Siamese cats must be destroyed.
I've got it! We'll use the name for an on-line magazine. BRILLIANT!!!
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:04 pm | #
Are you channelling those Guinness commercials again, Konopelli?
I've got it! We'll use the name for an on-line magazine. BRILLIANT!!!
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:04 pm | #
Are you channelling those Guinness commercials again, Konopelli?
Deckko--Quit complaining. What's a little college education, compared to, say, a presidential yacht?
Konopelli--This year, I am giving people Heifer Project donations...
Deckko--Quit complaining. What's a little college education, compared to, say, a presidential yacht?
Konopelli--This year, I am giving people Heifer Project donations...
And further: we were fake revolutionaries from day one. This is why our "revolution" enshrined SLAVERY.
The Americal Revolution wasn't fake, it was just a rather standard regional separatist movement rather than a social revolution; both can validly be looked at as political revolutions.
And further: we were fake revolutionaries from day one. This is why our "revolution" enshrined SLAVERY.
The Americal Revolution wasn't fake, it was just a rather standard regional separatist movement rather than a social revolution; both can validly be looked at as political revolutions.
So what does that make "The Johns Hopkins University"?
Pretty fucking expensive.
So what does that make "The Johns Hopkins University"?
Pretty fucking expensive.
So what does that "The Johns Hopkins University"?
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:58 pm
Same as it does with "The Ohio State University", i reckon...provincial, ummm, errr, provisional
So what does that "The Johns Hopkins University"?
spinoza | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:58 pm
Same as it does with "The Ohio State University", i reckon...provincial, ummm, errr, provisional
Christmas, established by the Church on December 25th in part to counteract pagan celebrations surrounding the winter solstice, has itself become a pagan celebration of greed and materialism
Ahem. Actually we pagans don't espouse greed and materialism and celebrate the winter solstice with ritual, feasting, bonfires, and getting up at dawn to make noise and wake the sun back up. It's the xians who regard gift-giving as a major part of their winter holiday.
Just sayin'
Christmas, established by the Church on December 25th in part to counteract pagan celebrations surrounding the winter solstice, has itself become a pagan celebration of greed and materialism
Ahem. Actually we pagans don't espouse greed and materialism and celebrate the winter solstice with ritual, feasting, bonfires, and getting up at dawn to make noise and wake the sun back up. It's the xians who regard gift-giving as a major part of their winter holiday.
Just sayin'
I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
And Byzantium. Not that Constantinople is bad, either, and I'd like to see it used somewhere, but Byzantium needs to be used somewhere. Somewhere big.
Maybe rename New York (the city). I mean, there is already the original York, and there is the State of New York. That's more than enough Yorks.
I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?
And Byzantium. Not that Constantinople is bad, either, and I'd like to see it used somewhere, but Byzantium needs to be used somewhere. Somewhere big.
Maybe rename New York (the city). I mean, there is already the original York, and there is the State of New York. That's more than enough Yorks.
Yeah, that commercialism and crap came with mass-production and Madison Avenue.
My mother used to get an Orange for Christmas, and be overjoyed.
Me, I got mostly coal.
Yeah, that commercialism and crap came with mass-production and Madison Avenue.
My mother used to get an Orange for Christmas, and be overjoyed.
Me, I got mostly coal.
Are you channelling those Guinness commercials again, Konopelli?
int argc | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:06 pm
ekctually, i use my throat for channeling Guinness in, and my urethera for the outflow...but that's just me 
Are you channelling those Guinness commercials again, Konopelli?
int argc | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:06 pm
ekctually, i use my throat for channeling Guinness in, and my urethera for the outflow...but that's just me
int argc, i don't think that tom wolfe ever hung out with those people. he got most of his material from hunter thompson, who did hang out with those people. thompson was an admirer of wolfe's work. but thompson said that the people that wolfe liked to hang out with were as interesting as stale dogshit.
and wolfe supports the american spectator mag.-the one that almost brought clinton down! phew.
I say it is time to break out the hoodies and start protesting at your local Federal building.
int argc, i don't think that tom wolfe ever hung out with those people. he got most of his material from hunter thompson, who did hang out with those people. thompson was an admirer of wolfe's work. but thompson said that the people that wolfe liked to hang out with were as interesting as stale dogshit.
and wolfe supports the american spectator mag.-the one that almost brought clinton down! phew.
I say it is time to break out the hoodies and start protesting at your local Federal building.
If we got up off our keisters from behind the keyboards and took to the streets, then they'd take all them Innernets rumours about a Second Stolen Election seriously.
Merry 41st Anniversary.
If we got up off our keisters from behind the keyboards and took to the streets, then they'd take all them Innernets rumours about a Second Stolen Election seriously.
Merry 41st Anniversary.
ekctually, i use my throat for channeling Guinness in, and my urethera for the outflow...but that's just me
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:11 pm | #
Using your throat for channelling Guinness? BRILLIANT!
ekctually, i use my throat for channeling Guinness in, and my urethera for the outflow...but that's just me
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:11 pm | #
Using your throat for channelling Guinness? BRILLIANT!
int argc, i don't think that tom wolfe ever hung out with those people. he got most of his material from hunter thompson, who did hang out with those people. thompson was an admirer of wolfe's work. but thompson said that the people that wolfe liked to hang out with were as interesting as stale dogshit.
and wolfe supports the american spectator mag.-the one that almost brought clinton down! phew.
dan hoppe | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:12 pm | #
Wow, even more reason for me to admire the good doctor What a great quote...
I had no idea that Wolfe was involved with Scaife's rag. I'm going to put my Tom Wolfe books through a shredder when I get home.
int argc, i don't think that tom wolfe ever hung out with those people. he got most of his material from hunter thompson, who did hang out with those people. thompson was an admirer of wolfe's work. but thompson said that the people that wolfe liked to hang out with were as interesting as stale dogshit.
and wolfe supports the american spectator mag.-the one that almost brought clinton down! phew.
dan hoppe | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:12 pm | #
Wow, even more reason for me to admire the good doctor What a great quote...
I had no idea that Wolfe was involved with Scaife's rag. I'm going to put my Tom Wolfe books through a shredder when I get home.
on cnn, they had a bullet points graphic detailing the reasons the election results were suspicious, and the last point was 'Exit Polls don't match with results'
i just had to laugh.
on cnn, they had a bullet points graphic detailing the reasons the election results were suspicious, and the last point was 'Exit Polls don't match with results'
i just had to laugh.
Hecate...pagan in the sense of not conforming to Christian teaching. If history is accurate at all, the Roman celebrations around the winter solstice were pretty wild, drunken affairs. Today the temptation is materialism instead of drunken orgies.
Hecate...pagan in the sense of not conforming to Christian teaching. If history is accurate at all, the Roman celebrations around the winter solstice were pretty wild, drunken affairs. Today the temptation is materialism instead of drunken orgies.
mmmmm....Guiness.
mmmmm....Guiness.
Here's an idea: give the money you would have spent on presents to a kid whose Pell grant has been cut.
Then write to your red-state relatives and explain to them why they aren't getting a present. And write to the stores where you would have bought presents to explain to them why you aren't spending the money with them this year - because you're giving the gift of education to a kid that the people they supported with their political contributions tried to take away.
It's time to start connecting the dots for these people.
Here's an idea: give the money you would have spent on presents to a kid whose Pell grant has been cut.
Then write to your red-state relatives and explain to them why they aren't getting a present. And write to the stores where you would have bought presents to explain to them why you aren't spending the money with them this year - because you're giving the gift of education to a kid that the people they supported with their political contributions tried to take away.
It's time to start connecting the dots for these people.
This is why hte dems need to buy CNN. If dems had CNN, then they could talk repeatedely about how the exit poll differed from actual results only in the swing state.
This is why hte dems need to buy CNN. If dems had CNN, then they could talk repeatedely about how the exit poll differed from actual results only in the swing state.
i just had to laugh.
wastelandusa | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:15 pm
A very brave act, from behind the "Irony Curtain"...
i just had to laugh.
wastelandusa | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:15 pm
A very brave act, from behind the "Irony Curtain"...
These folks were without freedom for so long, they appreciate it more than we do, apparently.
These folks were without freedom for so long, they appreciate it more than we do, apparently.
as to the "election" here at home:
the electoral collage meets on 12/13 to cast their certified votes, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL END OF THE PROCESS.
Congress opens those votes and records them officially on 1/6/05...THIS is the last & final deadline of deadlines.
and of course, the instillation happens on January 20th--and there will no doubt be protest that once again no one sees on the "news."
anyway, this means there is still time for normal, legal challenges (the Ohio recount, some civil rights suits, the GAO investigation,) to turn it over.
i do not expect that to happen. but the MOST vital result would be that we are able to ensure FUTURE elections will in fact be mostly fair in terms of access, and totally transparent and also have paper trails for audit purposed. IF we can get that, then there is hope for the future.
if we can NOT get that...well...there will be no way to change anything here via voting, at any rate.
whether it turns out to be probably fair, shady at best, or a total fraud--when "Our Leader" is annointed. i want very much to get my ass to DC on 1/20 and have my say. but i'd also be happy to have my say here in the streets at home, too!
i think if we were picking dates for protests, i'd pick a Saturday in between 12/13 and 1/6...maybe 12/18? (assuming there are no happy surprises before then.)
12/18 anyone?
-L.
as to the "election" here at home:
the electoral collage meets on 12/13 to cast their certified votes, BUT THIS IS NOT THE ACTUAL END OF THE PROCESS.
Congress opens those votes and records them officially on 1/6/05...THIS is the last & final deadline of deadlines.
and of course, the instillation happens on January 20th--and there will no doubt be protest that once again no one sees on the "news."
anyway, this means there is still time for normal, legal challenges (the Ohio recount, some civil rights suits, the GAO investigation,) to turn it over.
i do not expect that to happen. but the MOST vital result would be that we are able to ensure FUTURE elections will in fact be mostly fair in terms of access, and totally transparent and also have paper trails for audit purposed. IF we can get that, then there is hope for the future.
if we can NOT get that...well...there will be no way to change anything here via voting, at any rate.
whether it turns out to be probably fair, shady at best, or a total fraud--when "Our Leader" is annointed. i want very much to get my ass to DC on 1/20 and have my say. but i'd also be happy to have my say here in the streets at home, too!
i think if we were picking dates for protests, i'd pick a Saturday in between 12/13 and 1/6...maybe 12/18? (assuming there are no happy surprises before then.)
12/18 anyone?
-L.
No worries, Fed Up. The Romans weren't the only pagans, nor the only pagans to celebrate the solstice with wild drunken affairs.
At least that's what I've been told.
No worries, Fed Up. The Romans weren't the only pagans, nor the only pagans to celebrate the solstice with wild drunken affairs.
At least that's what I've been told.
IIRC, in pre-Victorian eras, in England anyway, Christmas was a time for role reversal, when the serfs could 'lord' it, and the lords brought the food...
IIRC, in pre-Victorian eras, in England anyway, Christmas was a time for role reversal, when the serfs could 'lord' it, and the lords brought the food...
It's the xians who regard gift-giving as a major part of their winter holiday.
Actually, its "the xians"; the consumeristic celebration of Christmas is largely a recent product of a succesful PR campaign by the retail industry, and its adherents, while overlapping with Christians, are not the same as Christians -- many non-Christians (agnostics and atheists, particularly) participate in it as a purely secular consumer "holiday", and many self-described Christians reject the consumer celebration.
Just sayin'
It's the xians who regard gift-giving as a major part of their winter holiday.
Actually, its "the xians"; the consumeristic celebration of Christmas is largely a recent product of a succesful PR campaign by the retail industry, and its adherents, while overlapping with Christians, are not the same as Christians -- many non-Christians (agnostics and atheists, particularly) participate in it as a purely secular consumer "holiday", and many self-described Christians reject the consumer celebration.
Just sayin'
Question: Can the Glibs or the Dems or Bev Harris subpoena the raw exit poll results from whatever company(ies) recorded them?
Question: Can the Glibs or the Dems or Bev Harris subpoena the raw exit poll results from whatever company(ies) recorded them?
"You know what them Ukrainians need? A good murder trial where a pretty white pregnant woman is offed. Or gays getting married. Then they'd stay home and be properly distracted. Who do they think they are, exercising their democratic rights to fair elections anyway?
John"
John:
Sad, but true!
But I don't think that would work there. Like most Europeans, those folks are no doubt politically astute and well-read.
And, as I've said, they've been without freedom for so long, they're not about to take it for granted.....as WE have here in "Murika."
"You know what them Ukrainians need? A good murder trial where a pretty white pregnant woman is offed. Or gays getting married. Then they'd stay home and be properly distracted. Who do they think they are, exercising their democratic rights to fair elections anyway?
John"
John:
Sad, but true!
But I don't think that would work there. Like most Europeans, those folks are no doubt politically astute and well-read.
And, as I've said, they've been without freedom for so long, they're not about to take it for granted.....as WE have here in "Murika."
...then go down to where he smears,ah, profiles keith olberman.
send all appreciative emails to this hagen piece of ass.
dan hoppe
GIVE ME LINK PLEASE
...then go down to where he smears,ah, profiles keith olberman.
send all appreciative emails to this hagen piece of ass.
dan hoppe
GIVE ME LINK PLEASE
oh, int argc, i got that info from thompson's first book of letters "the proud highway", and i don't want to get into too much hyperbole, but it is an astonishing book. you get to see the young h. thompson in action! wow.
oh, int argc, i got that info from thompson's first book of letters "the proud highway", and i don't want to get into too much hyperbole, but it is an astonishing book. you get to see the young h. thompson in action! wow.
I doubt crowds of ordinary Americans are allowed anywhere near Fearless Leader on inauguration day. Remember in 2001 when his limo was egged on Pennsylvania Avenue?
I doubt crowds of ordinary Americans are allowed anywhere near Fearless Leader on inauguration day. Remember in 2001 when his limo was egged on Pennsylvania Avenue?
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My favourite place name is Mandalay. It sounds so Lost Worldish.
My favourite place name is Mandalay. It sounds so Lost Worldish.
"Actually we pagans don't espouse greed and materialism and celebrate the winter solstice with ritual, feasting, bonfires, and getting up at dawn to make noise and wake the sun back up. It's the xians who regard gift-giving as a major part of their winter holiday."
I've always found it interesting how the Christians have co-opted every pagan ritual or "holy" day for themselves...or tried to, anyway!
"Actually we pagans don't espouse greed and materialism and celebrate the winter solstice with ritual, feasting, bonfires, and getting up at dawn to make noise and wake the sun back up. It's the xians who regard gift-giving as a major part of their winter holiday."
I've always found it interesting how the Christians have co-opted every pagan ritual or "holy" day for themselves...or tried to, anyway!
We finally found the answer to my bro in laws Walmart-mentality cheese, cracker and sausage "puzzles". Once we put the stuff out for the critters and even the critters wouldn't touch it.
We now give them named donations to Doctors Without Borders. I think they got the point.
As for our elections: The only way every vote will be counted is if there are paper ballots (Oregon) or lever activated machines like we use in New York. I also think the votes should be counted by someone who doesn't actually work for a political party or the gov't directly. Maybe we could get High School students to count them. Or maybe we could get Canadians to help us count. They already use paper ballots, they would be able to advise us.
We finally found the answer to my bro in laws Walmart-mentality cheese, cracker and sausage "puzzles". Once we put the stuff out for the critters and even the critters wouldn't touch it.
We now give them named donations to Doctors Without Borders. I think they got the point.
As for our elections: The only way every vote will be counted is if there are paper ballots (Oregon) or lever activated machines like we use in New York. I also think the votes should be counted by someone who doesn't actually work for a political party or the gov't directly. Maybe we could get High School students to count them. Or maybe we could get Canadians to help us count. They already use paper ballots, they would be able to advise us.
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pet peve #2001 it's olberman+'N'
(i like him for a mass media guy)
pet peve #2001 it's olberman+'N'
(i like him for a mass media guy)
well then, that settles that...sorry to interrupt...
well then, that settles that...sorry to interrupt...
Continue the CNNclaire boycott. Carville, Begalla, Brazil, resign in disgust or be sullied in history.
EPT | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:07 pm |
no cookies for cnn etc. since 09/06/04 (all eschaton and pals baby!)
Continue the CNNclaire boycott. Carville, Begalla, Brazil, resign in disgust or be sullied in history.
EPT | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:07 pm |
no cookies for cnn etc. since 09/06/04 (all eschaton and pals baby!)
Methinks there have been protests, but the SCLM just doesn't bother to report them. You know, until I saw F911, I had no idea that there was a protest at Bush's inauguration.
Why do you think there's a blackout on media reports on the investigations into election fraud? Information is power. They keep the information from us, we have no power.
That, my dears, is the glory of state-controlled media.
Methinks there have been protests, but the SCLM just doesn't bother to report them. You know, until I saw F911, I had no idea that there was a protest at Bush's inauguration.
Why do you think there's a blackout on media reports on the investigations into election fraud? Information is power. They keep the information from us, we have no power.
That, my dears, is the glory of state-controlled media.
Kinda sad that Ukranians care more about free elections than Americans. I'm depressed, this week sucked news wise.
I need a drink.
Kinda sad that Ukranians care more about free elections than Americans. I'm depressed, this week sucked news wise.
I need a drink.
And I like that Leonard Cohen song about Sri Lanka too...
"Ceylon, Ceylon, oh mighty ship of state..."
elkal
me, I got pissed when they re-named the Crimea River
And I like that Leonard Cohen song about Sri Lanka too...
"Ceylon, Ceylon, oh mighty ship of state..."
elkal
me, I got pissed when they re-named the Crimea River
The Bush needs to be asked if he sees similarities between his elections and that of the Ukraine's. If Dems had cnn, they would be in a position to ask and report things like that. That is exactly how the repubs function. Someone needs to ask the Bush difficult questions.
The Bush needs to be asked if he sees similarities between his elections and that of the Ukraine's. If Dems had cnn, they would be in a position to ask and report things like that. That is exactly how the repubs function. Someone needs to ask the Bush difficult questions.
Just sayin'
Hecate
Sounds like more fun than the same old giving competition. We cut it down to drawing a single name out of our very large family. Working on just an exchage for those under 16 years but it hasn't taken yet. I'm giving my brother (who reads this blog) something I made.
Another thought on those who can't resist buying, Canada, Europe. But better get going, it takes a couple of weeks from most places.
Hecate is also right, we've got to let the sellers know why we aren't buying.
A question. Why are Chinese employees of WalMart allowed to have unions while those in N. America aren't. Ok, it's a rhetorical question.
cmdicely...that's why I call it National Retail Holiday.
Just sayin'
Hecate
Sounds like more fun than the same old giving competition. We cut it down to drawing a single name out of our very large family. Working on just an exchage for those under 16 years but it hasn't taken yet. I'm giving my brother (who reads this blog) something I made.
Another thought on those who can't resist buying, Canada, Europe. But better get going, it takes a couple of weeks from most places.
Hecate is also right, we've got to let the sellers know why we aren't buying.
A question. Why are Chinese employees of WalMart allowed to have unions while those in N. America aren't. Ok, it's a rhetorical question.
cmdicely...that's why I call it National Retail Holiday.
i say a date AFTER the states cast their electoral votes, so we see what regular means may have accomplished, or not.
i say BEFORE 1/6, because any protest or objections to be made officially will have to come from our Reps & Senators on that date, and a showing by the public could give some folks the stones to say something (remember the beginning of Moore's 9/11 film? when the Reps from Fla were in tears, wanting to officially object, but NO senator would join them so nothing happened? THAT is what goes down in DC on the 6th...and THAT will probably be the case ewxact case again--only add Ohio Reps this time--assuming no change due to re-counts.)
12/18 looks like the only Saturday when people might show up. of course we could also try for January 5th, the day before they enroll the electoral votes...thoughts?
-L.
i say a date AFTER the states cast their electoral votes, so we see what regular means may have accomplished, or not.
i say BEFORE 1/6, because any protest or objections to be made officially will have to come from our Reps & Senators on that date, and a showing by the public could give some folks the stones to say something (remember the beginning of Moore's 9/11 film? when the Reps from Fla were in tears, wanting to officially object, but NO senator would join them so nothing happened? THAT is what goes down in DC on the 6th...and THAT will probably be the case ewxact case again--only add Ohio Reps this time--assuming no change due to re-counts.)
12/18 looks like the only Saturday when people might show up. of course we could also try for January 5th, the day before they enroll the electoral votes...thoughts?
-L.
From upthread:
yes, I think lots of Americans would be prepared to trade a lot of liberty not for safety, but for
a. crappy TV
b. the establishment of Jesusism
c. cheap corn-syrup laden crap on the grocery store shelves.
The cultural memory of most Europeans extends to remember severe, terrible losses of freedom in their own homes. For some, it goes back not more than a generation. By comparison, American cultural memory extends to getting that first colour TV and a big refrigerator.
From upthread:
yes, I think lots of Americans would be prepared to trade a lot of liberty not for safety, but for
a. crappy TV
b. the establishment of Jesusism
c. cheap corn-syrup laden crap on the grocery store shelves.
The cultural memory of most Europeans extends to remember severe, terrible losses of freedom in their own homes. For some, it goes back not more than a generation. By comparison, American cultural memory extends to getting that first colour TV and a big refrigerator.
Carville, Begalla, Brazil, resign in disgust or be sullied in history.
EPT | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:07 pm
Have you any idea how little they care?
You cannot embarrass Donna Brazille. Fuckin IMPOSSIBLE...she's a walking self-embarrassment...
My gawd, Carville married his main embarrassment, and "sullied" is the best thing you can say about that gaunt, feculent whore of a wife...
Carville, Begalla, Brazil, resign in disgust or be sullied in history.
EPT | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 12:07 pm
Have you any idea how little they care?
You cannot embarrass Donna Brazille. Fuckin IMPOSSIBLE...she's a walking self-embarrassment...
My gawd, Carville married his main embarrassment, and "sullied" is the best thing you can say about that gaunt, feculent whore of a wife...
I've always found it interesting how the Christians have co-opted every pagan ritual or "holy" day for themselves...or tried to, anyway!
Not just co-opted, but also tried to beat the pagan version out of existance, as if Christianity was a sort of religious version of Wal-Mart, coming to your town and wiping out any spiritual competition.
Frankly, I love solstice, as my wife (who I think is a druid just waiting to come out of the oaken-and-holly closet).
I've always found it interesting how the Christians have co-opted every pagan ritual or "holy" day for themselves...or tried to, anyway!
Not just co-opted, but also tried to beat the pagan version out of existance, as if Christianity was a sort of religious version of Wal-Mart, coming to your town and wiping out any spiritual competition.
Frankly, I love solstice, as my wife (who I think is a druid just waiting to come out of the oaken-and-holly closet).
Terry C
Not just holidays. Many xian churches are built on sites sacred to pagans. And some saints; see St. Bridget. Ah well, cooption is the sincerest form of flattery.
Terry C
Not just holidays. Many xian churches are built on sites sacred to pagans. And some saints; see St. Bridget. Ah well, cooption is the sincerest form of flattery.
Bread and circuses, people. Juvenal was right.
And if there were to be a million-person blockade of Congress on the day the electoral college votes were due to be counted... well, I'd be there.
Bread and circuses, people. Juvenal was right.
And if there were to be a million-person blockade of Congress on the day the electoral college votes were due to be counted... well, I'd be there.
Jennifer -
"It's time to start connecting the dots for these people."
Right on!
Jennifer -
"It's time to start connecting the dots for these people."
Right on!
From the NYT: Powell Responds to Final Tally in Ukraine: 'We Will Not Accept This Result as Legitmate'
Heh. Will the Ukraine be saying the same thing about us in a few weeks?
From the NYT: Powell Responds to Final Tally in Ukraine: 'We Will Not Accept This Result as Legitmate'
Heh. Will the Ukraine be saying the same thing about us in a few weeks?
I've always found it interesting how the Christians have co-opted every pagan ritual or "holy" day for themselves...or tried to, anyway!
And America learned the lesson well. Along with suffrage, we got Mother's Day.
And in place of May Day, Labor Day.
Sweet, sweet hegemony.
I've always found it interesting how the Christians have co-opted every pagan ritual or "holy" day for themselves...or tried to, anyway!
And America learned the lesson well. Along with suffrage, we got Mother's Day.
And in place of May Day, Labor Day.
Sweet, sweet hegemony.
Terry C...it was done deliberately to attract and keep the former pagans in the fold. Hallowee...All Hallow's Eve. Christmas...winter solstice. New Year's Day...devoted to the Virgin Mary in the Roman Catholic Church.
Terry C...it was done deliberately to attract and keep the former pagans in the fold. Hallowee...All Hallow's Eve. Christmas...winter solstice. New Year's Day...devoted to the Virgin Mary in the Roman Catholic Church.
St. Bridget also St. Bride. Had a vision in which she had a lake of beer to give everybody. They don't make em like that anymore.
St. Bridget also St. Bride. Had a vision in which she had a lake of beer to give everybody. They don't make em like that anymore.
I'm gonna protest the war and the election in my own "may make the movement look even worse" way...i have survivers guilt real bad, so i have to no matter what.
I'm gonna protest the war and the election in my own "may make the movement look even worse" way...i have survivers guilt real bad, so i have to no matter what.
That, my dears, is the glory of state-controlled media.
feckmebush | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:24 pm
I know i beat this like an old drum, but In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
Here, let me repeat this for the slow learners out there:
In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
One more time:
In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
izzat SOOOOO hard to figger out????
That, my dears, is the glory of state-controlled media.
feckmebush | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:24 pm
I know i beat this like an old drum, but In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
Here, let me repeat this for the slow learners out there:
In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
One more time:
In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
izzat SOOOOO hard to figger out????
John,
Send your wife here for information on modern Druids. I'm not a Druid, but I have lots of friends who are. They have great solstice parties.
John,
Send your wife here for information on modern Druids. I'm not a Druid, but I have lots of friends who are. They have great solstice parties.
"sullied" is the best thing you can say about that gaunt, feculent whore of a wife...
Konopelli
Well, I'm tired. Didn't sleep well. You said it best. Perhaps being married to Mary the ustachi is punishment enough.
"sullied" is the best thing you can say about that gaunt, feculent whore of a wife...
Konopelli
Well, I'm tired. Didn't sleep well. You said it best. Perhaps being married to Mary the ustachi is punishment enough.
oh--and Sojourners subs make good gifts for the Crosstians in your life...
and cash Euros are quick & easy presents to give to anyone! they'll only increase in value as the dollar goes down!
on the protest theme: what about for Installation Day, people protest in their STATE capitols? shorter drive for most, much less hassle by The Man, bound to get SOME news coverage at least in each locality...
-L.
-L.
oh--and Sojourners subs make good gifts for the Crosstians in your life...
and cash Euros are quick & easy presents to give to anyone! they'll only increase in value as the dollar goes down!
on the protest theme: what about for Installation Day, people protest in their STATE capitols? shorter drive for most, much less hassle by The Man, bound to get SOME news coverage at least in each locality...
-L.
-L.
I'm gonna protest the war and the election in my own "may make the movement look even worse" way...i have survivers guilt real bad, so i have to no matter what.
Good for you, Tess. What exactly are you going to do?
I'm gonna protest the war and the election in my own "may make the movement look even worse" way...i have survivers guilt real bad, so i have to no matter what.
Good for you, Tess. What exactly are you going to do?
I know i beat this like an old drum, but In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
Back in the USSA.
I know i beat this like an old drum, but In the Corporate State, corporate media are the State Media...
Back in the USSA.
And if there were to be a million-person blockade of Congress on the day the electoral college votes were due to be counted... well, I'd be there.
Me, too, in my black hoodie. Me too.
And if there were to be a million-person blockade of Congress on the day the electoral college votes were due to be counted... well, I'd be there.
Me, too, in my black hoodie. Me too.
Oh...thanks, Hecate.
I meant to tell you, but a few weeks ago I found a book on spellcraft from the library. While I was out of town to visit family, she consulted it to make some sort of wall-mounted altar full of odds, ends and naturey bits.
Oh...thanks, Hecate.
I meant to tell you, but a few weeks ago I found a book on spellcraft from the library. While I was out of town to visit family, she consulted it to make some sort of wall-mounted altar full of odds, ends and naturey bits.
Hey here is an idea! Why don't dems spend the money to get a cable station, like say-CNN. Then they would have a chance to put forth their philosophy, report scandals, and have hte mainstream media follow their lead. Supposed all of the people who voted for Kerry sent in $100 for this effort. That would be around $5 billion, and then the Sorsos' can take care of the rest of the tab. I would send in $100 for a bid for CNN. But dems are too lazy and hope the media imbalance problem will go away.
Hey here is an idea! Why don't dems spend the money to get a cable station, like say-CNN. Then they would have a chance to put forth their philosophy, report scandals, and have hte mainstream media follow their lead. Supposed all of the people who voted for Kerry sent in $100 for this effort. That would be around $5 billion, and then the Sorsos' can take care of the rest of the tab. I would send in $100 for a bid for CNN. But dems are too lazy and hope the media imbalance problem will go away.
Vernal equinox --> Easter
Summer solstice --> ????
Autumnal equinox --> Halloween?
Winter solstice --> Christmas
Vernal equinox --> Easter
Summer solstice --> ????
Autumnal equinox --> Halloween?
Winter solstice --> Christmas
Konopelli...and the corporations who own the media are getting fewer and fewer in number. I see now Gannett wants to buy the Pulitzer papers.
Konopelli...and the corporations who own the media are getting fewer and fewer in number. I see now Gannett wants to buy the Pulitzer papers.
Bah whoo doray....
Bah whoo doray....
Why don't dems spend the money to get a cable station, like say-CNN.
At this stage, I'd be happy if my local Air America affilate had more broadcasting power than a local pirate microstation. It's like listening to people talk with a sheet metal kazoo razzing in the background.
Why don't dems spend the money to get a cable station, like say-CNN.
At this stage, I'd be happy if my local Air America affilate had more broadcasting power than a local pirate microstation. It's like listening to people talk with a sheet metal kazoo razzing in the background.
I reckon if progressives tried to buy CNN or any other national tv medium, the FCC would be on 'em like the health department at a hot links stand...
I reckon if progressives tried to buy CNN or any other national tv medium, the FCC would be on 'em like the health department at a hot links stand...
Summer solstice --> ????
Father's Day? Trip to Disneyland? All-Star break?
Summer solstice --> ????
Father's Day? Trip to Disneyland? All-Star break?
Kono,
Come on. Don't blame the Cajun. Sex is sex-even republican sex. You know what repression does to a soul.
Kono,
Come on. Don't blame the Cajun. Sex is sex-even republican sex. You know what repression does to a soul.
Sex is sex-even republican sex.
Nope. I completely disagree. Had red sex, had blue sex. No contest.
Sex is sex-even republican sex.
Nope. I completely disagree. Had red sex, had blue sex. No contest.
vernal equinox --> first day of spring
autumnal equinox --> first day of autumn
summer solstice --> get drunk at Stonehenge day
winter solstice --> only 4 more shopping days until Xmas
vernal equinox --> first day of spring
autumnal equinox --> first day of autumn
summer solstice --> get drunk at Stonehenge day
winter solstice --> only 4 more shopping days until Xmas
"I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?"
Doesn't she perform at Caesars in Vegas?
"I always liked the name "Ceylon"... If Sri Lanka can't be that anymore, can we use it for somewhere else?"
Doesn't she perform at Caesars in Vegas?
jsg...well, Passover came before Easter. Passover goes back to the Egyptian exile. I don't know if any celebration came before that.
jsg...well, Passover came before Easter. Passover goes back to the Egyptian exile. I don't know if any celebration came before that.
Yeah, I've noticed (having a look thru the Google News headlines) how quickly the NY Post and the Washington Times decried electoral fraud in Ukraine - and not in their own backyard.
It's only fraud when a 'Murkan doesn't win, right?
Yeah, I've noticed (having a look thru the Google News headlines) how quickly the NY Post and the Washington Times decried electoral fraud in Ukraine - and not in their own backyard.
It's only fraud when a 'Murkan doesn't win, right?
I see now Gannett wants to buy the Pulitzer papers.
Fed up | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:37 pm
Then the (.)(.) boobies'll be in charge??? that will make wOOt very happy...
Seriously, the only way to restore democracy to the US is to enact a Constitutional Amendment which prohibits any person, partnership, corporation, or any other association from owning more than one radio station (am/fm's okay), one tv station, and one newspaper, period...
I see now Gannett wants to buy the Pulitzer papers.
Fed up | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 1:37 pm
Then the (.)(.) boobies'll be in charge??? that will make wOOt very happy...
Seriously, the only way to restore democracy to the US is to enact a Constitutional Amendment which prohibits any person, partnership, corporation, or any other association from owning more than one radio station (am/fm's okay), one tv station, and one newspaper, period...
I refuse to even date a Conservative.
Some of us are more principled than others.
I refuse to even date a Conservative.
Some of us are more principled than others.
I gotta go with John on this one, sex with a conservative vs. sex with a liberal, no contest. Liberal sex wins hands down.
If the FCC had something to say about Soros buying CNN, asked them who ownes FOX.
int argc: I think of Tom Wolfe and Hunter Thompson as a bit like Pat O'Brien and Jimmy Cagney in "Angels with Dirty Faces"-- you know, the two kids who grow up as best friends in the slums, one winding up a priest, the other a hoodlum. Wolfe/Thompson both ran with Kesey and the Pranksters, etc. for professional reasons before achieving celebrity status as writers. But Hunter was involved from the inside out, whereas Wolfe was more outside-in.
Wolfe always displayed a supercilious, elitist detachment, but his early social commentary and satire is so trenchant, insightful, colorful, and hilarious that it obscured these flaws. (If you're a fan, they're not "flaws," of course.)
I liked "The Right Stuff" a lot, especially his personification of The Press as a "Victorian Gent" who above all seeks to discover and disseminate the Proper Tone to broadcast to the masses. But eventually the reactionary, fussy aspects of his character became more pronounced. (Same as the now-insufferable P.J. O'Rourke.)
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote snippily somewhere that, in his opinion, Gore Vidal wanted an awful lot of credit just for wearing a three-piece suit. I feel about the same way about Wolfe and his meticulous obsession with clothes and material things, and his steady reactionary drift. He's not Mark Twain-- just a pompous dandy in a white linen suit.
Wolfe may have stuck his head into the Looking Glass, but he never went through it. Put another way, he was in the counterculture but not of it.
I gotta go with John on this one, sex with a conservative vs. sex with a liberal, no contest. Liberal sex wins hands down.
If the FCC had something to say about Soros buying CNN, asked them who ownes FOX.
int argc: I think of Tom Wolfe and Hunter Thompson as a bit like Pat O'Brien and Jimmy Cagney in "Angels with Dirty Faces"-- you know, the two kids who grow up as best friends in the slums, one winding up a priest, the other a hoodlum. Wolfe/Thompson both ran with Kesey and the Pranksters, etc. for professional reasons before achieving celebrity status as writers. But Hunter was involved from the inside out, whereas Wolfe was more outside-in.
Wolfe always displayed a supercilious, elitist detachment, but his early social commentary and satire is so trenchant, insightful, colorful, and hilarious that it obscured these flaws. (If you're a fan, they're not "flaws," of course.)
I liked "The Right Stuff" a lot, especially his personification of The Press as a "Victorian Gent" who above all seeks to discover and disseminate the Proper Tone to broadcast to the masses. But eventually the reactionary, fussy aspects of his character became more pronounced. (Same as the now-insufferable P.J. O'Rourke.)
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote snippily somewhere that, in his opinion, Gore Vidal wanted an awful lot of credit just for wearing a three-piece suit. I feel about the same way about Wolfe and his meticulous obsession with clothes and material things, and his steady reactionary drift. He's not Mark Twain-- just a pompous dandy in a white linen suit.
Wolfe may have stuck his head into the Looking Glass, but he never went through it. Put another way, he was in the counterculture but not of it.
For pagans, the holidays run:
Vernal Equinox = Eostara
Summer Equinox = Lammas
Lughnasadh=Autumnal Equinox
Yule=Winter Solstice
Most pagans also celebrate:
Imbolc around Feb. 2
Beltane around May 1
Lammas around August 1
Samhein on October 31
For pagans, the holidays run:
Vernal Equinox = Eostara
Summer Equinox = Lammas
Lughnasadh=Autumnal Equinox
Yule=Winter Solstice
Most pagans also celebrate:
Imbolc around Feb. 2
Beltane around May 1
Lammas around August 1
Samhein on October 31
We're also going to get together with the other Whos in Whoville and sing annoying freaking nonsense word carols to piss off our sourpuss neighbors. And then we'll sing Who songs, like "A Quick One While He's Away."
Thersites
Be sure to drink a lot too. That tends to annoy sourpusses as well. Be sure to bring some dogs and encourage them to bark along.
We're also going to get together with the other Whos in Whoville and sing annoying freaking nonsense word carols to piss off our sourpuss neighbors. And then we'll sing Who songs, like "A Quick One While He's Away."
Thersites
Be sure to drink a lot too. That tends to annoy sourpusses as well. Be sure to bring some dogs and encourage them to bark along.
"I refuse to even date a Conservative."
Central Scrutinizer
Amen brother.
"I refuse to even date a Conservative."
Central Scrutinizer
Amen brother.
Y'all obviously never had sex with really religius people. Its da bomb. Built up repression is great. I hate to single out the catholic girls, but in my exerience...............
Y'all obviously never had sex with really religius people. Its da bomb. Built up repression is great. I hate to single out the catholic girls, but in my exerience...............
Hecate, that's a lot of holidays and feasting, where do I sign up?
Hecate, that's a lot of holidays and feasting, where do I sign up?
Can anyone translate norwegian? There's a fun site linked from cryptome.org that appears to be some commentary on Bush, but god help me, I can't understand what it is. (Scroll down to 'The Banned Page')
Can anyone translate norwegian? There's a fun site linked from cryptome.org that appears to be some commentary on Bush, but god help me, I can't understand what it is. (Scroll down to 'The Banned Page')
I hate to single out the catholic girls, but in my exerience...............
Dude, that's a whole different species. Those girls are blue in red clothing.
I hate to single out the catholic girls, but in my exerience...............
Dude, that's a whole different species. Those girls are blue in red clothing.
Autumnal equinox --> Halloween?
Actually, i'm fairly sure:
Autumnal equinox --> Michaelmas
Though that celebration isn't as big of a deal, any more, it used to be a big one.
Autumnal equinox --> Halloween?
Actually, i'm fairly sure:
Autumnal equinox --> Michaelmas
Though that celebration isn't as big of a deal, any more, it used to be a big one.
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote snippily somewhere that, in his opinion, Gore Vidal wanted an awful lot of credit just for wearing a three-piece suit. I feel about the same way about Wolfe and his meticulous obsession with clothes and material things, and his steady reactionary drift. He's not Mark Twain-- just a pompous dandy in a white linen suit.
Little Brother,
Wow, that was brilliant, the whole thing.
Not sure how I feel about Kurt Vonnegut hating on Gore Vidal--they're two of my favorite authors, for cri'sake! Still, what he said about Vidal goes double for Wolfe, like you said.
For some reason, I tend that Wolfe was once styled a "satirist." If "Man in Full" was supposed to be satire, it was the most toothless I've ever seen.
Interesting that the man who started as a vigorous opponent of all hypocrisy has sunk to hypocritically attacking only the left.
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote snippily somewhere that, in his opinion, Gore Vidal wanted an awful lot of credit just for wearing a three-piece suit. I feel about the same way about Wolfe and his meticulous obsession with clothes and material things, and his steady reactionary drift. He's not Mark Twain-- just a pompous dandy in a white linen suit.
Little Brother,
Wow, that was brilliant, the whole thing.
Not sure how I feel about Kurt Vonnegut hating on Gore Vidal--they're two of my favorite authors, for cri'sake! Still, what he said about Vidal goes double for Wolfe, like you said.
For some reason, I tend that Wolfe was once styled a "satirist." If "Man in Full" was supposed to be satire, it was the most toothless I've ever seen.
Interesting that the man who started as a vigorous opponent of all hypocrisy has sunk to hypocritically attacking only the left.
Little Brother...well put.
Konopelli...I'll tackle the radio issue, since I'm in the biz. The FCC licensed too many stations in most markets, so a lot of radio stations simply are not economically viable as single entities. The only way to make money in radio today is to own several stations in a market. I work in a medium market. All the stations are group owned, and only one group of stations is owned by a local individual.
Little Brother...well put.
Konopelli...I'll tackle the radio issue, since I'm in the biz. The FCC licensed too many stations in most markets, so a lot of radio stations simply are not economically viable as single entities. The only way to make money in radio today is to own several stations in a market. I work in a medium market. All the stations are group owned, and only one group of stations is owned by a local individual.
*ahem*
tend to forget that
*ahem*
tend to forget that
xtians have nothing to do with it. retailers are the ones pushing holidays as purchasing occasions. That's why they keep inventing new ones (did you know the Super Bowl is now a major element in many retailers' first quarter revenue plans? i think it's a huge component of pizza delivery sales targets). For instance, look at them co-opting the ultimate in pagan holidays, halloween:
"Halloween fills an important retail void between back-to-school and the holiday season," said NRF President and CEO Tracy Mullin. "Many retailers are carving out quite a niche for themselves in the Halloween market."
by the way. in addition to not buying crap this year, think about cancelling credit cards. or at least punishing them severely by paying off in full, and on time, every month.
xtians have nothing to do with it. retailers are the ones pushing holidays as purchasing occasions. That's why they keep inventing new ones (did you know the Super Bowl is now a major element in many retailers' first quarter revenue plans? i think it's a huge component of pizza delivery sales targets). For instance, look at them co-opting the ultimate in pagan holidays, halloween:
"Halloween fills an important retail void between back-to-school and the holiday season," said NRF President and CEO Tracy Mullin. "Many retailers are carving out quite a niche for themselves in the Halloween market."
by the way. in addition to not buying crap this year, think about cancelling credit cards. or at least punishing them severely by paying off in full, and on time, every month.
Speaking of Republican sex, I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said: Jus say NO to sex with pro-lifers.
Speaking of Republican sex, I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said: Jus say NO to sex with pro-lifers.
Or should I say, Frist--but Tommy, not Bill.
I'm told Bill is a much nicer guy than Tom Jr. FWIW.
Or should I say, Frist--but Tommy, not Bill.
I'm told Bill is a much nicer guy than Tom Jr. FWIW.
Speaking of boycotts, remember that Friday is Buy Nothing Day.
Speaking of boycotts, remember that Friday is Buy Nothing Day.
Hey you guys, if you really want to help students out, contact your local college or university- they're always trying to fund scholarships or increase the level of endowments to reach more kids.
Anyone who wants some information or help in doing this email me.
Giving to an endowment is something that keeps on giving year after year- and believe me, education is going to continue to get hit.
Hey you guys, if you really want to help students out, contact your local college or university- they're always trying to fund scholarships or increase the level of endowments to reach more kids.
Anyone who wants some information or help in doing this email me.
Giving to an endowment is something that keeps on giving year after year- and believe me, education is going to continue to get hit.
Back to buying CNN, whats preventing hte dems from even trying to make a bid? I think the station's market value is around 7bill. so whats up? Are the dems not even going to try?
Back to buying CNN, whats preventing hte dems from even trying to make a bid? I think the station's market value is around 7bill. so whats up? Are the dems not even going to try?
You can't protest like the are doing in Ukraine because there is no leader to rally around. Kerry stopped leading when he didn't see a landslide on election night.
You can't protest like the are doing in Ukraine because there is no leader to rally around. Kerry stopped leading when he didn't see a landslide on election night.
dirtgirl - We've been paying our credit card bills off in full every month for years. I made the mistake of running a Visa card up and trying to pay it off in minimum payments years ago. and we ultimately borrowed money and paid if off and paid off the loan much easier.
It's insane to do anything other than pay off credit cards every month in full. And I only have 3, one of which is a gas card.
dirtgirl - We've been paying our credit card bills off in full every month for years. I made the mistake of running a Visa card up and trying to pay it off in minimum payments years ago. and we ultimately borrowed money and paid if off and paid off the loan much easier.
It's insane to do anything other than pay off credit cards every month in full. And I only have 3, one of which is a gas card.
btw, summer solstice --> independence day?
"Consumers want to demonstrate their patriotism by displaying flags and wearing red, white, and blue," said NRF President and CEO Tracy Mullin. "Retailers are offering a variety of patriotic merchandise to keep up with a steady demand from their customers."
btw, summer solstice --> independence day?
"Consumers want to demonstrate their patriotism by displaying flags and wearing red, white, and blue," said NRF President and CEO Tracy Mullin. "Retailers are offering a variety of patriotic merchandise to keep up with a steady demand from their customers."
Speaking of Republican sex, I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said: Jus say NO to sex with pro-lifers.
I've been doing that for years. I've expanded that ban to conservatives and bushie worshippers.
I'm pretty ruthless about it.
Speaking of Republican sex, I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said: Jus say NO to sex with pro-lifers.
I've been doing that for years. I've expanded that ban to conservatives and bushie worshippers.
I'm pretty ruthless about it.
Two points:
There was NO debate that the Ukranian election was stolen, since they had armed thugs steal the votes. No rumors of mysterious Diebold, no claims of voter supression. Just strong armed theft. And plenty of real witnesses to crimes.
I think if the GOP stole ballot boxes with armed criminals, people might object in the land of 200m guns. Remember, Americans didn't want election observers. The Dems remained silent when a few Congressmen actually called for them.
This wasn't subtle, this was Putin-inspired raw criminality. Even the blind knew what was going on.
They stuffed ballot boxes without shame. It was the kind of election fraud which was quickly confirmed.
Not Diebold, which the best argument for fraud is that it happened and no one can prove it. Yes, that argument is bound to be taken seriously. It happened, but it can't be seen. And everyone is keeping their mouths shut.
Conjecture is NOT evidence. I believe a range of tactics were used to supress the vote. But because I believe it doesn't mean I can prove it, unlike in Ukraine.
Ok, you think it's clever to send gifts to Doctors Without Borders in your red state relatives names? How would you like it if they sent gifts to pro-life organizations in your name? Not a lot, right?
Moral superiority often reeks of arrogance and smugness to most people.
Don't use gifts to make a point. Because it may well blow up in your face.
Two, stop with the lefty "oh we will only be pure shoppers" this year.
I have a simple solution. It won't take much effort and will actually make sense: don't shop at Wal-Mart.
You don't have to do anything else. You can buy Nike, go to Starbucks, buy a five year old Grant Theft Auto: San Andreas.
Just stay out of Wal-Mart and their cannabalistic, kill American jobs, practices.
You want to do something good for America, the Democratic Party, and working people, avoid Wal-Mart at any and all costs. No matter the convience level or price.
Two points:
There was NO debate that the Ukranian election was stolen, since they had armed thugs steal the votes. No rumors of mysterious Diebold, no claims of voter supression. Just strong armed theft. And plenty of real witnesses to crimes.
I think if the GOP stole ballot boxes with armed criminals, people might object in the land of 200m guns. Remember, Americans didn't want election observers. The Dems remained silent when a few Congressmen actually called for them.
This wasn't subtle, this was Putin-inspired raw criminality. Even the blind knew what was going on.
They stuffed ballot boxes without shame. It was the kind of election fraud which was quickly confirmed.
Not Diebold, which the best argument for fraud is that it happened and no one can prove it. Yes, that argument is bound to be taken seriously. It happened, but it can't be seen. And everyone is keeping their mouths shut.
Conjecture is NOT evidence. I believe a range of tactics were used to supress the vote. But because I believe it doesn't mean I can prove it, unlike in Ukraine.
Ok, you think it's clever to send gifts to Doctors Without Borders in your red state relatives names? How would you like it if they sent gifts to pro-life organizations in your name? Not a lot, right?
Moral superiority often reeks of arrogance and smugness to most people.
Don't use gifts to make a point. Because it may well blow up in your face.
Two, stop with the lefty "oh we will only be pure shoppers" this year.
I have a simple solution. It won't take much effort and will actually make sense: don't shop at Wal-Mart.
You don't have to do anything else. You can buy Nike, go to Starbucks, buy a five year old Grant Theft Auto: San Andreas.
Just stay out of Wal-Mart and their cannabalistic, kill American jobs, practices.
You want to do something good for America, the Democratic Party, and working people, avoid Wal-Mart at any and all costs. No matter the convience level or price.
4LG,
You got that right. Lots of feasting is good. Actually, I read somewhere that people in the Middle Ages actually spent more time on holiday and less time working than we do today, but I can't remember where I read it.
Also, I sent you an email. Let me know if it makes any sense.
4LG,
You got that right. Lots of feasting is good. Actually, I read somewhere that people in the Middle Ages actually spent more time on holiday and less time working than we do today, but I can't remember where I read it.
Also, I sent you an email. Let me know if it makes any sense.
I'd date a 'conservative' (small c)...
Never a GOPuke, though...
(okay, to be honest, these days, as I approach the middle of middle age--coming 60--i'd probably date anyone who'd be willing to be seen with me...
...nah, i wouldn't...i'd rather check out ol' lefty for diversion than spend time, money, or my precious, vital, bodily fluids on a GOPuke, no matter how willing...I'd rather spunk the drain...)
I'd date a 'conservative' (small c)...
Never a GOPuke, though...
(okay, to be honest, these days, as I approach the middle of middle age--coming 60--i'd probably date anyone who'd be willing to be seen with me...
...nah, i wouldn't...i'd rather check out ol' lefty for diversion than spend time, money, or my precious, vital, bodily fluids on a GOPuke, no matter how willing...I'd rather spunk the drain...)
I think the station's market value is around 7bill. so whats up? Are the dems not even going to try?
Well, I haven't gotten around to cleaning all the loose change out of my sofa.
As soon as I do I'll hop right down and buy that sucker for us.
I think the station's market value is around 7bill. so whats up? Are the dems not even going to try?
Well, I haven't gotten around to cleaning all the loose change out of my sofa.
As soon as I do I'll hop right down and buy that sucker for us.
blue sex in red clothing. I'll have to remember that. So they could be called RINOS -red in name only
blue sex in red clothing. I'll have to remember that. So they could be called RINOS -red in name only
Hecate, I got it and replied.
It did make sense.
Hecate, I got it and replied.
It did make sense.
So they could be called RINOS -red in name only
Must...resist..."RINO"-->"horny" joke temptation...
So they could be called RINOS -red in name only
Must...resist..."RINO"-->"horny" joke temptation...
Boycott Bush!
It's not just for the holidays.
Boycott Bush!
It's not just for the holidays.
Mike...I'm with you. I never shop on the Friday after Thanksgiving. But I'm afraid we're fighting an uphill battle. Materialism is the true American religion, not Christianity. If we were truly a Christian nation, our society would be radically different. We are a nation that gives a lot of lip service to Christianity, but by and large, we do not live it. No, materialism is our religion; greed is our dogma.
Mike...I'm with you. I never shop on the Friday after Thanksgiving. But I'm afraid we're fighting an uphill battle. Materialism is the true American religion, not Christianity. If we were truly a Christian nation, our society would be radically different. We are a nation that gives a lot of lip service to Christianity, but by and large, we do not live it. No, materialism is our religion; greed is our dogma.
Hey Hecate, is Upyernoz going to blog somemore soon? I thought the link about Juan Cole, etc, was very interesting and the comment thread was quite illuminating. However, there were a couple trolls that were just plain dense. I changed my shoes and am now ready to play.
By the way, Upyernoz, I was just kidding when asking if you and Trios were having an affair... I think someone asked Hecate the same thing when she started posting for the A-man.
Hey Hecate, is Upyernoz going to blog somemore soon? I thought the link about Juan Cole, etc, was very interesting and the comment thread was quite illuminating. However, there were a couple trolls that were just plain dense. I changed my shoes and am now ready to play.
By the way, Upyernoz, I was just kidding when asking if you and Trios were having an affair... I think someone asked Hecate the same thing when she started posting for the A-man.
Must...resist..."RINO"-->"horny" joke temptation...
ROTFL, That was good.
Must...resist..."RINO"-->"horny" joke temptation...
ROTFL, That was good.
(Speaking as a Druid
PAGAN CHRISTIAN MODERN
Samhain All Hallowmas Halloween
Winter Christmas Christmas
Imbolc Candlemas Groundhog Day
Spring Easter
Beltane Roodmas May Day
Summer St. John's Eve
Lughnassadh Lammas
Autumn Michaelmas
(Speaking as a Druid
PAGAN CHRISTIAN MODERN
Samhain All Hallowmas Halloween
Winter Christmas Christmas
Imbolc Candlemas Groundhog Day
Spring Easter
Beltane Roodmas May Day
Summer St. John's Eve
Lughnassadh Lammas
Autumn Michaelmas
We here in the Kansas welcome and rejoice in our re-annointed overlords.
I could probably boycott the observation of the
sky-god-who-walks-among-us' birth
-- who I understand our new overlord clerics know believe was CONCEIVED on Dec. 25 and born on (ta dum) Sept. 11 -- but no way my partner will fail to further spoil her neice and newphew.
Can we decided on an approved list of retailers for cash-based shopping?
We here in the Kansas welcome and rejoice in our re-annointed overlords.
I could probably boycott the observation of the
sky-god-who-walks-among-us' birth
-- who I understand our new overlord clerics know believe was CONCEIVED on Dec. 25 and born on (ta dum) Sept. 11 -- but no way my partner will fail to further spoil her neice and newphew.
Can we decided on an approved list of retailers for cash-based shopping?
You can't protest like the are doing in Ukraine because there is no leader to rally around. Kerry stopped leading when he didn't see a landslide on election night.
Go cry to Lech Walesa.
You can't protest like the are doing in Ukraine because there is no leader to rally around. Kerry stopped leading when he didn't see a landslide on election night.
Go cry to Lech Walesa.
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote snippily somewhere that, in his opinion, Gore Vidal wanted an awful lot of credit just for wearing a three-piece suit.
A Vidal partisan might argue, conversely, that Vonnegut wanted a lot of credit for wearing a moustache?
I admire them both, for vastly different reasons, and probably have read just about everything either one of them has written...
Kurt Vonnegut once wrote snippily somewhere that, in his opinion, Gore Vidal wanted an awful lot of credit just for wearing a three-piece suit.
A Vidal partisan might argue, conversely, that Vonnegut wanted a lot of credit for wearing a moustache?
I admire them both, for vastly different reasons, and probably have read just about everything either one of them has written...
Grr. Stupid helloscan. Well, just imagine that what I typed was spaced correctly.
Anyway, other examples: Chartres Cathedral is likely built on the ground where the Druids used to meet to elect their Archdruid; according to Caesar, these elections where held in the territory of the Carnutes tribe, who gave their name to Chartres
The Pantheon in Rome was, obviously, a Pagan temple before being converted into a Church.
Grr. Stupid helloscan. Well, just imagine that what I typed was spaced correctly.
Anyway, other examples: Chartres Cathedral is likely built on the ground where the Druids used to meet to elect their Archdruid; according to Caesar, these elections where held in the territory of the Carnutes tribe, who gave their name to Chartres
The Pantheon in Rome was, obviously, a Pagan temple before being converted into a Church.
I'm also struck by how much of the advertising this year is envy-based. So far I've seen commercials based on envying and coveting my neighbor's SUV, his Christmas decorations, and his plasma TV. Envy and greed, two of the big 7 right there.
I'm also struck by how much of the advertising this year is envy-based. So far I've seen commercials based on envying and coveting my neighbor's SUV, his Christmas decorations, and his plasma TV. Envy and greed, two of the big 7 right there.
OT--This is lovely, is it not?
In Webb City, Missouri, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in federal court today against a high school that twice punished a student for wearing t-shirts bearing gay pride messages and banned him from wearing the shirts to school again.
...
Although Mathewson had worn one of the shirts to school at least six times before without incident, Principal Stephen P. Gollhofer now claims he was concerned the t-shirts might offend other students. Students with opposing beliefs on the same issues are allowed to express their views, as anti-gay t-shirts and bumperstickers are common in the hallways at Webb City High School, the ACLU said.
WTF?
OT--This is lovely, is it not?
In Webb City, Missouri, the American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit in federal court today against a high school that twice punished a student for wearing t-shirts bearing gay pride messages and banned him from wearing the shirts to school again.
...
Although Mathewson had worn one of the shirts to school at least six times before without incident, Principal Stephen P. Gollhofer now claims he was concerned the t-shirts might offend other students. Students with opposing beliefs on the same issues are allowed to express their views, as anti-gay t-shirts and bumperstickers are common in the hallways at Webb City High School, the ACLU said.
WTF?
Can we decided on an approved list of retailers for cash-based shopping?
stencil | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:01 pm
look around your town for the shops that are locally owned and buy there...
Can we decided on an approved list of retailers for cash-based shopping?
stencil | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:01 pm
look around your town for the shops that are locally owned and buy there...
Tena,
There was a great, but completely horrifying Frontline on PBS last night about credit card companies.
A panel of consumers all said they keep a balance on their credit cards, but have plenty of money in savings. When asked why they don't pay off their cards, they all answered with a variation of: "I want to keep a nest egg for emergencies?"
I just about fell off the couch! Whatever happened to spending actual money to buy stuff and saving the credit cards for emergencies?
Tena,
There was a great, but completely horrifying Frontline on PBS last night about credit card companies.
A panel of consumers all said they keep a balance on their credit cards, but have plenty of money in savings. When asked why they don't pay off their cards, they all answered with a variation of: "I want to keep a nest egg for emergencies?"
I just about fell off the couch! Whatever happened to spending actual money to buy stuff and saving the credit cards for emergencies?
54 Million Kerry voters *$100 each=$5,400,000,000. 200 Soros *10,000,000 each equals 2,000,000,000. Total = 7 Billion=CNN
54 Million Kerry voters *$100 each=$5,400,000,000. 200 Soros *10,000,000 each equals 2,000,000,000. Total = 7 Billion=CNN
my first wife was a republican.
in fact I was a republican in that life.
it'll take me a while to work off that karma.
my first wife was a republican.
in fact I was a republican in that life.
it'll take me a while to work off that karma.
Rorschach...had he worn the approved Bushjugend T-shirt, there would have been no problem.
Rorschach...had he worn the approved Bushjugend T-shirt, there would have been no problem.
I'm at the end of my rope. How are we so broken down, so BEATEN, that we just ACCEPT our own fate and then barely even twitch an eye in recognition of the irony of Powell decrying their election while trumpeting the success of our own? I'm having a hard time coming to any conclusion other than that We the People are toast. Can anybody give me two good reasons to keep on believing we can turn this ship around? Please? I need a hug.
I'm at the end of my rope. How are we so broken down, so BEATEN, that we just ACCEPT our own fate and then barely even twitch an eye in recognition of the irony of Powell decrying their election while trumpeting the success of our own? I'm having a hard time coming to any conclusion other than that We the People are toast. Can anybody give me two good reasons to keep on believing we can turn this ship around? Please? I need a hug.
I saw this report on ABC News where some xians were saying that they expect payback from Bush for supporting him in the election, and I thought, ha ha! suckers...
I saw this report on ABC News where some xians were saying that they expect payback from Bush for supporting him in the election, and I thought, ha ha! suckers...
Mike, about the Norwegian site. It has a translation below the original text.
Mike, about the Norwegian site. It has a translation below the original text.
Judging from the response to this "buy the CCN idea" I guess the dems will have to be relegated to the minority for the next generation. It does not seem that hard to organize.
Judging from the response to this "buy the CCN idea" I guess the dems will have to be relegated to the minority for the next generation. It does not seem that hard to organize.
"Interesting discussion concerning whether any position of power is worth a single human life."
--Ask John Kerry what his two cents are on this issue in view of his "yes" vote on the Iraqi War Resolution.
"Interesting discussion concerning whether any position of power is worth a single human life."
--Ask John Kerry what his two cents are on this issue in view of his "yes" vote on the Iraqi War Resolution.
"Mike, about the Norwegian site. It has a translation below the original text."
If you say so, but that means I actually have to go there
"Mike, about the Norwegian site. It has a translation below the original text."
If you say so, but that means I actually have to go there
My first post....I have been following the Ukrainian election for a while...I really want to give the Ukrainian people credit. The Yuschenko supporters seemed to have been able to stage a peaceful demonstration, and the fact that the Yanukovych camp appears to back-pedalling into a second certified election means that the Ukrainian people have been effective in pointing out the corruption of the party in power. I am not from Ukraine, but it appears to me that Yuschenko is the progressive, reformist candidate. I believe that the fact that Putin and the Duma fully support and backed Yanukovych proves that Yanukovych is the "status-quo" candidate, and for Ukraine's sake, in order to mature as a country, and provide more opportunities for its people, it should become more than a satellite state of Russia.
My first post....I have been following the Ukrainian election for a while...I really want to give the Ukrainian people credit. The Yuschenko supporters seemed to have been able to stage a peaceful demonstration, and the fact that the Yanukovych camp appears to back-pedalling into a second certified election means that the Ukrainian people have been effective in pointing out the corruption of the party in power. I am not from Ukraine, but it appears to me that Yuschenko is the progressive, reformist candidate. I believe that the fact that Putin and the Duma fully support and backed Yanukovych proves that Yanukovych is the "status-quo" candidate, and for Ukraine's sake, in order to mature as a country, and provide more opportunities for its people, it should become more than a satellite state of Russia.
Haverchuck,
I don't think there is any hope. Just get used to things they way they are. Protest wont make any diffeerence. As long as the republicans control all of the media outlets, then repubs will continue winning. I mean do you see how hte repubs are not suffering any reprecusions from 2 of its members blocking the intel bill. If the situation was reversed, FOX would be going 24/7 with how hte dems are not interested in protecting Americans. Repub lawmakers would have a platform to relay their attacks. Why dont dems get this and get with the program?
Haverchuck,
I don't think there is any hope. Just get used to things they way they are. Protest wont make any diffeerence. As long as the republicans control all of the media outlets, then repubs will continue winning. I mean do you see how hte repubs are not suffering any reprecusions from 2 of its members blocking the intel bill. If the situation was reversed, FOX would be going 24/7 with how hte dems are not interested in protecting Americans. Repub lawmakers would have a platform to relay their attacks. Why dont dems get this and get with the program?
Theodoric, my first (and only) wife was a Republican. Parents were GOP. Grandparents GOP. But then I sat down with her and we simply listed out all political issues that we could think of, and I had her write down her position on each issue. She was shocked when she realized that she supported the Demo or progressive side of each and every issue. She turned out to be much more liberal than I. And from my unscientific investigation into this, I have found that this is quite a common thing. Way too many, particulalry in this country, simply adopt the party of their ancestors, without question, and vote that way without thinking. Like religion. And as the fundies/born agains appear to constitute a large chunk of the electorate, it really is fair to state that politics is religion in this country. That scares me more than anything.
Theodoric, my first (and only) wife was a Republican. Parents were GOP. Grandparents GOP. But then I sat down with her and we simply listed out all political issues that we could think of, and I had her write down her position on each issue. She was shocked when she realized that she supported the Demo or progressive side of each and every issue. She turned out to be much more liberal than I. And from my unscientific investigation into this, I have found that this is quite a common thing. Way too many, particulalry in this country, simply adopt the party of their ancestors, without question, and vote that way without thinking. Like religion. And as the fundies/born agains appear to constitute a large chunk of the electorate, it really is fair to state that politics is religion in this country. That scares me more than anything.
Sex is sex-even republican sex.
Hah.
Why do you think they're so obsessed about our sex lives? Obviously, theirs just aren't that good.
Sex is sex-even republican sex.
Hah.
Why do you think they're so obsessed about our sex lives? Obviously, theirs just aren't that good.
Fed up
You are correct. I really do miss living in the EU for reasons such as this. Christmas is nowhere near as materialistic or advertised as it is here. Just like during their political campaigns. No political adverts in many countries. So nice.
Fed up
You are correct. I really do miss living in the EU for reasons such as this. Christmas is nowhere near as materialistic or advertised as it is here. Just like during their political campaigns. No political adverts in many countries. So nice.
I think the station's market value is around 7bill
OTOH, I think that the corporate parent is likely to overvalue it because the centralized control allows them to do direct co-branding and cross-promotion without having to engage in external business deals; in fact, it seems sometimes that CNN has become nothing but co-branded cross-promotion.
I think the station's market value is around 7bill
OTOH, I think that the corporate parent is likely to overvalue it because the centralized control allows them to do direct co-branding and cross-promotion without having to engage in external business deals; in fact, it seems sometimes that CNN has become nothing but co-branded cross-promotion.
some Ukrainian blogs:
Neeka’s Backlog
La Sabot Post-Moderne
abdymak
some Ukrainian blogs:
Neeka’s Backlog
La Sabot Post-Moderne
abdymak
Can anybody give me two good reasons to keep on believing we can turn this ship around? Please? I need a hug.
Me too!
But what about 1. repugs are starting to eat their own and 2. maybe we'll get some plamegate, halliburton or other indictments soon. Pretty lame hug, eh?
Can anybody give me two good reasons to keep on believing we can turn this ship around? Please? I need a hug.
Me too!
But what about 1. repugs are starting to eat their own and 2. maybe we'll get some plamegate, halliburton or other indictments soon. Pretty lame hug, eh?
Thoedoric, I gather that Lech Walesa is planning on heading out to Kiev in person, along with a number of other Western envoys...
Thoedoric, I gather that Lech Walesa is planning on heading out to Kiev in person, along with a number of other Western envoys...
I'm not following you, Atrios. You were at pains to declare that the election wasn't stolen--in fact, you took yourself off for a while because you were irritated by the deluge of posts you received, demanding that the election be investigated. And now, you say that it was stolen after all?
I'm not following you, Atrios. You were at pains to declare that the election wasn't stolen--in fact, you took yourself off for a while because you were irritated by the deluge of posts you received, demanding that the election be investigated. And now, you say that it was stolen after all?
Bubba...I'm mostly familiar with Germany. They have really nice open air Christmas markets, but overall German Christmas is not materialistic, which is surprising in such an overwhelmingly secular society. While I don't follow German politics as closely as I once did, I will venture to say that German elections are very much about real issues. But then, it's a parliamentary system, so parties have more clearly defined platforms and there is greater participation by the citizens.
Bubba...I'm mostly familiar with Germany. They have really nice open air Christmas markets, but overall German Christmas is not materialistic, which is surprising in such an overwhelmingly secular society. While I don't follow German politics as closely as I once did, I will venture to say that German elections are very much about real issues. But then, it's a parliamentary system, so parties have more clearly defined platforms and there is greater participation by the citizens.
I'm not following you, Atrios. You were at pains to declare that the election wasn't stolen--in fact, you took yourself off for a while because you were irritated by the deluge of posts you received, demanding that the election be investigated. And now, you say that it was stolen after all?
I'm not following you, Atrios. You were at pains to declare that the election wasn't stolen--in fact, you took yourself off for a while because you were irritated by the deluge of posts you received, demanding that the election be investigated. And now, you say that it was stolen after all?
Ken-
That was not Atrios's position. He was not against an investigation. He was wary of whacko all-out screaming paranoids.
Ken-
That was not Atrios's position. He was not against an investigation. He was wary of whacko all-out screaming paranoids.
Actually, I read somewhere that people in the Middle Ages actually spent more time on holiday and less time working than we do today, but I can't remember where I read it.
I've actually read that this is generally true of agragrian pre-industrial societies, not particularly specific to Middle Age Europe -- though at the heavy work times (harvest, etc.) there was more work that needed to be done, most of the time there was less.
One of the major effects of industrialization was to "allow" most people to work like the most intense periods of work year round, and even more, since they were able to work into the night.
"Labor saving" machinery does nothing of the sort; it just increase the output of labor, which can be good, if it works to the benefit of the laborer, but more often than not it works to the benefit of the narrow group that owns the machinery.
Actually, I read somewhere that people in the Middle Ages actually spent more time on holiday and less time working than we do today, but I can't remember where I read it.
I've actually read that this is generally true of agragrian pre-industrial societies, not particularly specific to Middle Age Europe -- though at the heavy work times (harvest, etc.) there was more work that needed to be done, most of the time there was less.
One of the major effects of industrialization was to "allow" most people to work like the most intense periods of work year round, and even more, since they were able to work into the night.
"Labor saving" machinery does nothing of the sort; it just increase the output of labor, which can be good, if it works to the benefit of the laborer, but more often than not it works to the benefit of the narrow group that owns the machinery.
>>That was not Atrios's position. He was
>> not against an investigation. He was
>>wary of whacko all-out screaming
>>paranoids.
Oh.
>>That was not Atrios's position. He was
>> not against an investigation. He was
>>wary of whacko all-out screaming
>>paranoids.
Oh.
>>That was not Atrios's position. He was
>> not against an investigation. He was
>>wary of whacko all-out screaming
>>paranoids.
Oh.
>>That was not Atrios's position. He was
>> not against an investigation. He was
>>wary of whacko all-out screaming
>>paranoids.
Oh.
I once heard something about the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats HAVE sex, and Republicans just think about it a lot.
I once heard something about the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats HAVE sex, and Republicans just think about it a lot.
Sex is sex-even republican sex
shit, i wouldn't fuck a republican with a stolen dick.
Sex is sex-even republican sex
shit, i wouldn't fuck a republican with a stolen dick.
Fed up
Have spent the holidays in the UK, Germany, Austria, Italy and Oz. All are just like you found Germany, except not too many of the Christmas markets in the UK. And major cities shut down somewhat around the holiday, also very relaxing.
Fed up
Have spent the holidays in the UK, Germany, Austria, Italy and Oz. All are just like you found Germany, except not too many of the Christmas markets in the UK. And major cities shut down somewhat around the holiday, also very relaxing.
There is a clearinghouse for taking it to the DC streets.
http://www.counter-inaugural.org...l.org/
index.php
There is a clearinghouse for taking it to the DC streets.
http://www.counter-inaugural.org...l.org/
index.php
dirtgirl - I heard part of that Frontline. It is horrifying what those companies have done to our economy and our society.
Frontline has been just outstanding for the last year or so. The show on WalMart a couple of weeks ago was amazing.
dirtgirl - I heard part of that Frontline. It is horrifying what those companies have done to our economy and our society.
Frontline has been just outstanding for the last year or so. The show on WalMart a couple of weeks ago was amazing.
"Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?"
What are you waiting for?
Remember 2000?
A KEY ISSUE FOR INTERESTED ATRIOSANS IS TO FIND ONE SENATOR WHO WILL STAND UP.
Writing emails and making phone calls to SENATORS (and Congresspersons) to support the call for GAO investigation is CRUCIAL.
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"Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?"
What are you waiting for?
Remember 2000?
A KEY ISSUE FOR INTERESTED ATRIOSANS IS TO FIND ONE SENATOR WHO WILL STAND UP.
Writing emails and making phone calls to SENATORS (and Congresspersons) to support the call for GAO investigation is CRUCIAL.
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Summer solstice = Ascension & Pentecost, 7 weeks after Easter Sunday. Used to be a great occasion for feasts etc. The liturgy for both those solemnities calls for incense and a beautiful extra song called a sequence, with texts dating back to the 1200s. But I digress.
Was it Thersites who suggested I make a trifle to complement Mr. Strawhat's pumpkin pie for our T-day dessert? Thanks for the inspiration. I found a recipe that features a bittersweet chocolate pudding, a cranberry/orange/candied ginger/Grand Marnier filling, whipped cream with more candied ginger and Grand Marnier, and pound cake with more Grand Marnier. Mon dieu. It's going to be *fabulous.*
Summer solstice = Ascension & Pentecost, 7 weeks after Easter Sunday. Used to be a great occasion for feasts etc. The liturgy for both those solemnities calls for incense and a beautiful extra song called a sequence, with texts dating back to the 1200s. But I digress.
Was it Thersites who suggested I make a trifle to complement Mr. Strawhat's pumpkin pie for our T-day dessert? Thanks for the inspiration. I found a recipe that features a bittersweet chocolate pudding, a cranberry/orange/candied ginger/Grand Marnier filling, whipped cream with more candied ginger and Grand Marnier, and pound cake with more Grand Marnier. Mon dieu. It's going to be *fabulous.*
November 23, 2004
14 House Dems Demand GAO Election Probe
A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by Matthew Cardinale
"Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has asked to become the 14th signatory of the GAO letter demanding an investigation in electronic voting. This information was confirmed by a staffer, Theresa, in the U.S. House Judiciary Office, on November 22, 2004.
As of this writing, Schakowsky's signature has not been submitted to the GAO.
However, the GAO has received letters of concern with 13 signatories thus far:
John Conyers (D-MI)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)
Robert Scott (D-GA)
Melvin Watt (D-NC)
Rush Holt (D-NJ)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
George Miller (D-CA)
John Olver (D-MA)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Gregory Meeks (D-NY)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Plus
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Also, Congressman Barbara Lee of California issued the following statement on November 15th:
"The right to vote and the right to have our votes counted are both fundamental to our democratic system of government," said Lee.
"As elected representatives of the people, we hold a sacred responsibility to every voter across this nation to ensure that their vote is counted and recorded properly. We cannot, and we should not accept any flaws in our election process."
Julie Nickson, press secretary for Barbara Lee, added, "She signed it because she was aware of the situation. We got some phone calls from constituents."
The letter, or set of letters, is addressed to The Honorable David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, General Accountability Office.
The first letter begins, "We write with an urgent request that the GAO immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to the difficulties they encountered, and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."
Particular concerns brought up are:
-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.
-Votes lost on a local initiative in Florida because the computer could only store so many votes.
-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.
-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.
-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected. This analysis has since
been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.
-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry," that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.
-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November
November 23, 2004
14 House Dems Demand GAO Election Probe
A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by Matthew Cardinale
"Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) has asked to become the 14th signatory of the GAO letter demanding an investigation in electronic voting. This information was confirmed by a staffer, Theresa, in the U.S. House Judiciary Office, on November 22, 2004.
As of this writing, Schakowsky's signature has not been submitted to the GAO.
However, the GAO has received letters of concern with 13 signatories thus far:
John Conyers (D-MI)
Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)
Robert Wexler (D-FL)
Robert Scott (D-GA)
Melvin Watt (D-NC)
Rush Holt (D-NJ)
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
George Miller (D-CA)
John Olver (D-MA)
Bob Filner (D-CA)
Gregory Meeks (D-NY)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Plus
Jan Schakowsky (D-IL)
Also, Congressman Barbara Lee of California issued the following statement on November 15th:
"The right to vote and the right to have our votes counted are both fundamental to our democratic system of government," said Lee.
"As elected representatives of the people, we hold a sacred responsibility to every voter across this nation to ensure that their vote is counted and recorded properly. We cannot, and we should not accept any flaws in our election process."
Julie Nickson, press secretary for Barbara Lee, added, "She signed it because she was aware of the situation. We got some phone calls from constituents."
The letter, or set of letters, is addressed to The Honorable David M. Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, General Accountability Office.
The first letter begins, "We write with an urgent request that the GAO immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to the difficulties they encountered, and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."
Particular concerns brought up are:
-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.
-Votes lost on a local initiative in Florida because the computer could only store so many votes.
-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.
-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.
-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected. This analysis has since
been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.
-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry," that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.
-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November
(cont.)
"-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.
-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.
-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.
-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.
-Warren County, Ohio's, bogus refusal allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.
-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.
-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office....."
(more at Buzzflash)
WE NEED A SENATOR.
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(cont.)
"-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours. But that's not all. The second letter, dated, November 8th, reported additional incidents.
-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.
-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.
-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.
-Warren County, Ohio's, bogus refusal allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.
-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.
-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office....."
(more at Buzzflash)
WE NEED A SENATOR.
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Jan Schakowsky rocks. Where's my Congressman, Danny Davis? I'll e-mail him and my Senator, the Honorable Dick Durbin.
Jan Schakowsky rocks. Where's my Congressman, Danny Davis? I'll e-mail him and my Senator, the Honorable Dick Durbin.
Where is John Kerry is one of those kinds of questions. I also don't see my own, black, Congresswoman there on the list; and as usual I'm wondering when the Senator who just took my vote and whom I support (Boxer) isn't rushing in to correct her mistake of 2000.
We should work on this, and I'll tell you why:
NOT because we will necessarily get any kind of different result.
Because we need URGENTLY to direct Americans to the fact that their votes are NO LONGER BEING COUNTED, and the people who are thus forcing the gates of democracy are extremists who are following a plan of DISMANTLING AMERICA, to remake it in the corporate (logo'd) image.
Save Our Society.
Sign, O Senator.
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Where is John Kerry is one of those kinds of questions. I also don't see my own, black, Congresswoman there on the list; and as usual I'm wondering when the Senator who just took my vote and whom I support (Boxer) isn't rushing in to correct her mistake of 2000.
We should work on this, and I'll tell you why:
NOT because we will necessarily get any kind of different result.
Because we need URGENTLY to direct Americans to the fact that their votes are NO LONGER BEING COUNTED, and the people who are thus forcing the gates of democracy are extremists who are following a plan of DISMANTLING AMERICA, to remake it in the corporate (logo'd) image.
Save Our Society.
Sign, O Senator.
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I'm not following you, Atrios.
100% correct.
Partly because Hecate, not Atrios, put up this post.
(Personally I think the author's name should be in bold or magenta highlight or something, so it's a little more obvious.)
I'm not following you, Atrios.
100% correct.
Partly because Hecate, not Atrios, put up this post.
(Personally I think the author's name should be in bold or magenta highlight or something, so it's a little more obvious.)
Here's the problem, to me, folks: CREDIBILITY
Out of an alleged 120 million votes cast, about 30 million were cast on electronic voting machines. That's 25%. But the alleged margin of victory is fewer than 3 million votes, or about 10 percent of those cast electronically (like my own). You'd only have to flip HALF of those to change the outcome of the election to the current 'result.' That's only about 1.5 million. that's not that many, folks...less than one percent of all votes cast...who'd notice??? really???
What we have here, in the words of J. Habermas, is a crisis of legitimacy...
Here's the problem, to me, folks: CREDIBILITY
Out of an alleged 120 million votes cast, about 30 million were cast on electronic voting machines. That's 25%. But the alleged margin of victory is fewer than 3 million votes, or about 10 percent of those cast electronically (like my own). You'd only have to flip HALF of those to change the outcome of the election to the current 'result.' That's only about 1.5 million. that's not that many, folks...less than one percent of all votes cast...who'd notice??? really???
What we have here, in the words of J. Habermas, is a crisis of legitimacy...
strawhat - "and pound cake with more Grand Marnier. Mon dieu. It's going to be *fabulous.*"
Twas I. I'd suggest replacing the pound cake with ladyfingers however .... You'll find the subtlety of flavours is enhanced.
strawhat - "and pound cake with more Grand Marnier. Mon dieu. It's going to be *fabulous.*"
Twas I. I'd suggest replacing the pound cake with ladyfingers however .... You'll find the subtlety of flavours is enhanced.
Why do you think they're so obsessed about our sex lives? Obviously, theirs just aren't that good.
Seraphiel
well, I think we're just able to focus on it better than them, after all, remember the thread a couple days ago that stayed on topic for 200+ posts was about a sexual topic
Why do you think they're so obsessed about our sex lives? Obviously, theirs just aren't that good.
Seraphiel
well, I think we're just able to focus on it better than them, after all, remember the thread a couple days ago that stayed on topic for 200+ posts was about a sexual topic
"Lame Duckie"= what a fuckwad calls the guy that beat his guy....
"Lame Duckie"= what a fuckwad calls the guy that beat his guy....
shit, i wouldn't fuck a republican with a stolen dick.
djdissent
are still talking about the election?
shit, i wouldn't fuck a republican with a stolen dick.
djdissent
are still talking about the election?
"Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?"
Feel free. Wear those tinfoil hats with pride.
"Are we ever going to protest the scam that was this past US election?"
Feel free. Wear those tinfoil hats with pride.
Exactly, K.
It is up to the winning party to prove that the elections were fair.
Diebold and the other PARTISAN R vote collection companies, have their SECRET software tested and certifed by other PARTISAN R companies.
An election system where ONE PARTY counts the votes is not a legal system. Especially when Diebold ILLEGALLY changes, installs, uninstalls, and otherwise freeps the software whenever they feel like, even having their salesmen FLIP the votes inside the counting room, WITH NO DOCUMENTATION OF THEIR ACTIONS (as they were CAUGHT doing in CA 2003).
On top of that, the purchase of huge numbers of electronic voting machines was GIGANTIC WINDFALL to our various SecStates (and Cty Election Officials), and a number of 'Katherines' have popped up, including in CA (Katherine Shelley), OH (Katherine Blackwell), FL (Katherine Hood), and others.
They liked the swimming pool, the trip to Tahiti, and the extra three zeroes in their bank accounts, and they have SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER.
So let us not hear about credibility from cowards.
My momma didn't raise no boys who cavil from a fight.
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Exactly, K.
It is up to the winning party to prove that the elections were fair.
Diebold and the other PARTISAN R vote collection companies, have their SECRET software tested and certifed by other PARTISAN R companies.
An election system where ONE PARTY counts the votes is not a legal system. Especially when Diebold ILLEGALLY changes, installs, uninstalls, and otherwise freeps the software whenever they feel like, even having their salesmen FLIP the votes inside the counting room, WITH NO DOCUMENTATION OF THEIR ACTIONS (as they were CAUGHT doing in CA 2003).
On top of that, the purchase of huge numbers of electronic voting machines was GIGANTIC WINDFALL to our various SecStates (and Cty Election Officials), and a number of 'Katherines' have popped up, including in CA (Katherine Shelley), OH (Katherine Blackwell), FL (Katherine Hood), and others.
They liked the swimming pool, the trip to Tahiti, and the extra three zeroes in their bank accounts, and they have SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER.
So let us not hear about credibility from cowards.
My momma didn't raise no boys who cavil from a fight.
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"What we have here, in the words of J. Habermas, is a crisis of legitimacy..."
Bwwaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
"What we have here, in the words of J. Habermas, is a crisis of legitimacy..."
Bwwaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
"It is up to the winning party to prove that the elections were fair."
Eh, no. It's up to the loons to prove it wasn't. Notice the rational Democrats all running for cover when the tinfoil hat wearers start the 'WE WERE ROBBED" lunacy...
"It is up to the winning party to prove that the elections were fair."
Eh, no. It's up to the loons to prove it wasn't. Notice the rational Democrats all running for cover when the tinfoil hat wearers start the 'WE WERE ROBBED" lunacy...
Out of an alleged 120 million votes cast, about 30 million were cast on electronic voting machines.
Does that count the total that were electronically centrally tabulated? Because there seems to be a big problem with central tabulation even of votes not cast on "electronic voting machines" in the usual sense.
Out of an alleged 120 million votes cast, about 30 million were cast on electronic voting machines.
Does that count the total that were electronically centrally tabulated? Because there seems to be a big problem with central tabulation even of votes not cast on "electronic voting machines" in the usual sense.
"My momma didn't raise no boys who cavil from a fight."
Maybe not, but she did seem to raise at least one loon...
"My momma didn't raise no boys who cavil from a fight."
Maybe not, but she did seem to raise at least one loon...
Of course, yes, central tabulation is what goes on, using Diebold software even in areas and states that don't use electronic voting machines.
You will notice, once you get done laughing at the desperation of the trolls, that the corporate media has avoided discussing central tabulation on secret software, while focussing all its attention on the voting machines themselves.
You will also notice that your state's Katherine also focusses all attention on the voting machines, and manages to never mention the central tabulation software, which we KNOW is vulnerable to ANY computer on the network, or to ANY computer that can access a network modem.
Flipping the vote is SUCH treason that most people have a hard time believing it has come to pass, AGAIN. But when you compare your own very real eyes with the lies the media tells, you will understand.
Proving that there were fair elections is the #1 job of the WINNERS. And they have failed for four elections in a row to show us their 'morality and conscience.' Funny how their foreign and domestic policies are also, utterly, conscience free.
A coincidence? The trolls think not.
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Of course, yes, central tabulation is what goes on, using Diebold software even in areas and states that don't use electronic voting machines.
You will notice, once you get done laughing at the desperation of the trolls, that the corporate media has avoided discussing central tabulation on secret software, while focussing all its attention on the voting machines themselves.
You will also notice that your state's Katherine also focusses all attention on the voting machines, and manages to never mention the central tabulation software, which we KNOW is vulnerable to ANY computer on the network, or to ANY computer that can access a network modem.
Flipping the vote is SUCH treason that most people have a hard time believing it has come to pass, AGAIN. But when you compare your own very real eyes with the lies the media tells, you will understand.
Proving that there were fair elections is the #1 job of the WINNERS. And they have failed for four elections in a row to show us their 'morality and conscience.' Funny how their foreign and domestic policies are also, utterly, conscience free.
A coincidence? The trolls think not.
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Feel free. Wear those tinfoil hats with pride.
60 MILLION, DUDE | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 3:22 pm | #
That is why we have been talking about secession. We don't like you like you don't like us!
get the blue out of the US - vote secession!
watch the mbf's get their panties in a wad over that one - they need us cause we have the smarts, the money and the correct ideology!
Feel free. Wear those tinfoil hats with pride.
60 MILLION, DUDE | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 3:22 pm | #
That is why we have been talking about secession. We don't like you like you don't like us!
get the blue out of the US - vote secession!
watch the mbf's get their panties in a wad over that one - they need us cause we have the smarts, the money and the correct ideology!
Well maybe we dont have fair elections in our country,but I hear that we'll be getting a new Chia Pet for Christmas.
Well maybe we dont have fair elections in our country,but I hear that we'll be getting a new Chia Pet for Christmas.
In Dallas County, early voting was all on touch screens. There have been serious questions raised about that vote, and it is being investigated, quietly, by Bruce Sherbet, who is in charge of elections here.
So, what, is everyone who wants to ensure free and fair elections in this country a loon?
Man, you Squeaky Johnson clones would be squealing like pigs if your man had lost and you thought the election wasn't fair.
In Dallas County, early voting was all on touch screens. There have been serious questions raised about that vote, and it is being investigated, quietly, by Bruce Sherbet, who is in charge of elections here.
So, what, is everyone who wants to ensure free and fair elections in this country a loon?
Man, you Squeaky Johnson clones would be squealing like pigs if your man had lost and you thought the election wasn't fair.
"That is why we have been talking about secession. We don't like you like you don't like us!"
Naturally you are confused by the flipping of the vote, abetted by a VERY FEW ardent, HOPELESSLY STUPID, trolls.
KERRY WON BY LANDSLIDE, as all the exit polls showed. NO good excuse has been given for voiding them, and scientists have give the odds on their being that far wrong at 250 M to 1.
We don't need to secede, and by the way, that is an AWFUL bit of snark. The people who think, as a troll said a few days ago, that Lincoln was a war criminal, are a MINORITY of rightwing voices, who have stolen power through EVERY LIE THEY COULD COME UP WITH.
We don't need secession; we just need OUR country back.
We ARE the majority.
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"That is why we have been talking about secession. We don't like you like you don't like us!"
Naturally you are confused by the flipping of the vote, abetted by a VERY FEW ardent, HOPELESSLY STUPID, trolls.
KERRY WON BY LANDSLIDE, as all the exit polls showed. NO good excuse has been given for voiding them, and scientists have give the odds on their being that far wrong at 250 M to 1.
We don't need to secede, and by the way, that is an AWFUL bit of snark. The people who think, as a troll said a few days ago, that Lincoln was a war criminal, are a MINORITY of rightwing voices, who have stolen power through EVERY LIE THEY COULD COME UP WITH.
We don't need secession; we just need OUR country back.
We ARE the majority.
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In the Ukraine, the "democrat" party must have won . . .
In the Ukraine, the "democrat" party must have won . . .
Does this post, Atrios, mean that you take the allegations of voting fraud that have been surfacing in this country seriously?
Does this post, Atrios, mean that you take the allegations of voting fraud that have been surfacing in this country seriously?
Paul - We are the majority
Say it! We are, too.
Paul - We are the majority
Say it! We are, too.
tena, they would be squealing like pigs if their man lost and they thought it was a fair count. repugs will not tolerate losing anymore. we are into a different thing here.
oh, and to the guy way upthread-go to nyobserver.com,scroll down to the dan rather article by joe hagen,then scroll down to the keith olberman section of the article. then read and spit.
tena, they would be squealing like pigs if their man lost and they thought it was a fair count. repugs will not tolerate losing anymore. we are into a different thing here.
oh, and to the guy way upthread-go to nyobserver.com,scroll down to the dan rather article by joe hagen,then scroll down to the keith olberman section of the article. then read and spit.
Interesting that Powell and MacLellan were so quick to denounce this election. Another distraction ? or feels too close to home ?
Interesting that Powell and MacLellan were so quick to denounce this election. Another distraction ? or feels too close to home ?
Does this post, Atrios, mean that you take the allegations of voting fraud that have been surfacing in this country seriously?
scorpiorising
We don't speak for him but we're betting "no." He's not committing to anything until there's enough changes that commitment doesn't matter. There have been cases of thousands of votes, and they need to be investigated and answered, and they will not not be, but what Kerry "needs" is not mere thousands.
Does this post, Atrios, mean that you take the allegations of voting fraud that have been surfacing in this country seriously?
scorpiorising
We don't speak for him but we're betting "no." He's not committing to anything until there's enough changes that commitment doesn't matter. There have been cases of thousands of votes, and they need to be investigated and answered, and they will not not be, but what Kerry "needs" is not mere thousands.
The cases of 'thousands' of (not votes) BALLOTS are one thing, ky.
The millions of voters who were disenfranchized by voter suppression efforts is quite another. IF there are canvasses of Ohio precincts, Bush's 100,000 ballot lead will evaporate in a few properly-counted towns.
And then there is Diebold, which is responsible for most of the vote fraud, with its secret illegal software that FLIPS votes for Kerry into votes for Bush, in order to produce a PRESET ELECTION TOTAL.
Don't buy the lies; there are so many they ought to be paying you to be their fool.
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The cases of 'thousands' of (not votes) BALLOTS are one thing, ky.
The millions of voters who were disenfranchized by voter suppression efforts is quite another. IF there are canvasses of Ohio precincts, Bush's 100,000 ballot lead will evaporate in a few properly-counted towns.
And then there is Diebold, which is responsible for most of the vote fraud, with its secret illegal software that FLIPS votes for Kerry into votes for Bush, in order to produce a PRESET ELECTION TOTAL.
Don't buy the lies; there are so many they ought to be paying you to be their fool.
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"Interesting that Powell and MacLellan were so quick to denounce this election. Another distraction ? or feels too close to home ?
Jon Husband"
Wow, quit with the fake psychoanalysis.
THEY ARE SHOWING YOU THEIR ASS.
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"Interesting that Powell and MacLellan were so quick to denounce this election. Another distraction ? or feels too close to home ?
Jon Husband"
Wow, quit with the fake psychoanalysis.
THEY ARE SHOWING YOU THEIR ASS.
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For a fun rant try 'The eXile Solution to Middle America'
http://tinyurl.com/58tcw
warning: it's more like a 'Final Solution', but funny in spots, e.g.:
"As for the South -- these are the only Anglo-Saxons ever to get their asses kicked in warfare, surrender and be colonized...in other words, they are the special olympiads of the Anglo-Saxon race -- and they lost even that."
For a fun rant try 'The eXile Solution to Middle America'
http://tinyurl.com/58tcw
warning: it's more like a 'Final Solution', but funny in spots, e.g.:
"As for the South -- these are the only Anglo-Saxons ever to get their asses kicked in warfare, surrender and be colonized...in other words, they are the special olympiads of the Anglo-Saxon race -- and they lost even that."
While I applaud the idea of writing to retailers to explain why we're not spending this season, why not write to a central retailers association and/or retailers lobbying group?
This would focus the protest like a laser light on organizations which represent ALL RETAILERS. We could explain that if we have to spend in stores, it will go to local "ma & pa" or other community based retailers, but will stick it to the big guys.
Does anyone have information on who the retailers professional organization is? And who the lobbying outfit is? Is it one and the same?
Think about it. Sending letters to different department stores will dilute our message. Sending letters to their representative organization will better get them to sit up and pay attention!
While I applaud the idea of writing to retailers to explain why we're not spending this season, why not write to a central retailers association and/or retailers lobbying group?
This would focus the protest like a laser light on organizations which represent ALL RETAILERS. We could explain that if we have to spend in stores, it will go to local "ma & pa" or other community based retailers, but will stick it to the big guys.
Does anyone have information on who the retailers professional organization is? And who the lobbying outfit is? Is it one and the same?
Think about it. Sending letters to different department stores will dilute our message. Sending letters to their representative organization will better get them to sit up and pay attention!
If Yanukovich is sincere, we ought to consider running him for President in the US.
I sure could use the change. I'm tired of Bush's second term already.
If Yanukovich is sincere, we ought to consider running him for President in the US.
I sure could use the change. I'm tired of Bush's second term already.
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