I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first?
first?
Oh. My. God.
Not only is irony dead.
We are fucking the corpse.
Oh. My. God.
Not only is irony dead.
We are fucking the corpse.
Ukraine, I crane, we all crane for....
Ukraine, I crane, we all crane for....
Colon Powell on the radio: fraud allowed here but not in Ukraine.
Colon Powell on the radio: fraud allowed here but not in Ukraine.
Powell: Chicken Kiev.
Powell: Chicken Kiev.
BushCo has no shame. I'm absolutley certain they see no hypocracy.
"Hello kettle, have you met black?"
BushCo has no shame. I'm absolutley certain they see no hypocracy.
"Hello kettle, have you met black?"
Faith-based kettles only come in white.
Faith-based kettles only come in white.
When do we get the stories about them laughing their asses off at us?
When do we get the stories about them laughing their asses off at us?
I'm sorry. Can't read the story. What's the gist?
Thank you in advance.
I'm sorry. Can't read the story. What's the gist?
Thank you in advance.
I'm off for a while. I think upyernoz will be posting and I'll check back in later. Atrios will drop in too, as his activities in Barcelona allow.
I'm off for a while. I think upyernoz will be posting and I'll check back in later. Atrios will drop in too, as his activities in Barcelona allow.
At first I thought you meant having to register and login in order to read WP's articles, but yes, the story is also awfully ironic.
But seriously, hey Washington Post, 86 the login! Which is more important: getting news out to the people online or being fooled into believing that I, an "89 year old Haitian Female with only an elementary school education but earns 11,000-19,000 a year as the CEO of a company with 3,000 to 5,000 employees" just read your article about Powell poo-pooing Ukraine's election?
At first I thought you meant having to register and login in order to read WP's articles, but yes, the story is also awfully ironic.
But seriously, hey Washington Post, 86 the login! Which is more important: getting news out to the people online or being fooled into believing that I, an "89 year old Haitian Female with only an elementary school education but earns 11,000-19,000 a year as the CEO of a company with 3,000 to 5,000 employees" just read your article about Powell poo-pooing Ukraine's election?
Maybe the Putinization of America isn't such a bad thing after all.
Maybe the Putinization of America isn't such a bad thing after all.
so if someone who's an employee of an illegitimate government won't recognise the legitimacy of another government doesn't that kind of work like a double negative?
so if someone who's an employee of an illegitimate government won't recognise the legitimacy of another government doesn't that kind of work like a double negative?
John, Powell says that the election in Ukraine was not legit because of widespread fraud and abuse.
John, Powell says that the election in Ukraine was not legit because of widespread fraud and abuse.
This sounds like a great opportunity for our proposed SoS, Cond,i to put her PhD in Soviet Studies to work.
Bwaaahahhahha!
This sounds like a great opportunity for our proposed SoS, Cond,i to put her PhD in Soviet Studies to work.
Bwaaahahhahha!
John, Powell says that the election in Ukraine was not legit because of widespread fraud and abuse.
How bloody decent of him.
Thank you. I'm going to bang my head on my workstation for a while.
John, Powell says that the election in Ukraine was not legit because of widespread fraud and abuse.
How bloody decent of him.
Thank you. I'm going to bang my head on my workstation for a while.
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Nothing new here. Same assholes happily validated Noriega's theft of the Panamanian elections in 1984 or so (back when he was an ally) at the same time they trashed Nicaragua's, which were validated by everyone else's as free and fair.
Nothing new here. Same assholes happily validated Noriega's theft of the Panamanian elections in 1984 or so (back when he was an ally) at the same time they trashed Nicaragua's, which were validated by everyone else's as free and fair.
Sasquatch
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and does this mean that Colin will be saying the same thing about our election anytime soon? after all, what does he have to lose?
[/crickets]
and does this mean that Colin will be saying the same thing about our election anytime soon? after all, what does he have to lose?
[/crickets]
The exit polls in the Ukraine proved the election was a fraud.
The exit polls in the US proved the exit polls were a fraud.
More lies from w and co...
Fallujah Leaders Were Local, Not Foreign
HAMZA HENDAWI
Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Before the assault on Fallujah, U.S. officials described the city as a den of foreign terrorists, but its top commanders were an electrician and a mosque preacher - both natives of the community and now on the run from American forces.
The exit polls in the Ukraine proved the election was a fraud.
The exit polls in the US proved the exit polls were a fraud.
More lies from w and co...
Fallujah Leaders Were Local, Not Foreign
HAMZA HENDAWI
Associated Press
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Before the assault on Fallujah, U.S. officials described the city as a den of foreign terrorists, but its top commanders were an electrician and a mosque preacher - both natives of the community and now on the run from American forces.
as i posted earlier today, we live behind the "Irony" Curtain...
as i posted earlier today, we live behind the "Irony" Curtain...
When do we get the stories about them laughing their asses off at us?
Already, I believe.
"We cannot accept this result as legitimate, because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse," Powell said.
Oh. Kay.
This is the big problem: the credibility of the world's only superpower is shot. It's going to be up to the EU to twist arms here, when it comes to diplomacy. It's as if Bill Clinton were the world's only qualified marriage guidance counsellor.
The US criticises an election? LOL.
The US complains about nuclear proliferation? LOL.
It's so fucking over.
When do we get the stories about them laughing their asses off at us?
Already, I believe.
"We cannot accept this result as legitimate, because it does not meet international standards and because there has not been an investigation of the numerous and credible reports of fraud and abuse," Powell said.
Oh. Kay.
This is the big problem: the credibility of the world's only superpower is shot. It's going to be up to the EU to twist arms here, when it comes to diplomacy. It's as if Bill Clinton were the world's only qualified marriage guidance counsellor.
The US criticises an election? LOL.
The US complains about nuclear proliferation? LOL.
It's so fucking over.
Oooh, Irony Curtain. Like it.
Myself, I like to think of the state of the nation as Grand Theft Autocracy or The Great Repression.
Oooh, Irony Curtain. Like it.
Myself, I like to think of the state of the nation as Grand Theft Autocracy or The Great Repression.
Wow, you want even more irony? AP did a story three days ago about Zogby's misgivings about the US election. In the same story, they had Nader yapping about how the gop represses the minority vote. This is the same person who in 2000 was against the Florida recount and thought that they should just "flip a coin" to decide who's president. He had no problems with Florida blacks being disenfranchised then. Now the Nader 2004 model is the champion of minority voters and is all for recounts.
Wow, you want even more irony? AP did a story three days ago about Zogby's misgivings about the US election. In the same story, they had Nader yapping about how the gop represses the minority vote. This is the same person who in 2000 was against the Florida recount and thought that they should just "flip a coin" to decide who's president. He had no problems with Florida blacks being disenfranchised then. Now the Nader 2004 model is the champion of minority voters and is all for recounts.
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Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:19 pm | #
It's the report that Powell sez US wont recognize Ukraine election results because of fraud...
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Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:19 pm | #
It's the report that Powell sez US wont recognize Ukraine election results because of fraud...
Atrios can you provide us with a registration ID when you link to the Post? I really don't want to fill out their form.
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More on that exact point here
More on that exact point here
It's hard to get a blank check if there's not an endless war.
Carlyle understands Poppy's mistake: never will they allow the spectre of world peace to terrorize them again.
Besides, Putie-poot smirked at Dear Leader's barn door sans codpiece.
It's hard to get a blank check if there's not an endless war.
Carlyle understands Poppy's mistake: never will they allow the spectre of world peace to terrorize them again.
Besides, Putie-poot smirked at Dear Leader's barn door sans codpiece.
Irony is not dead ... this is its heyday.
Irony is not dead ... this is its heyday.
There ares some who say (steve_gilliard, e.g.) that we cannot compare the Ukraine situation with that in the recently concluded electoral farce in the USA; that the election in Ukraine was in fact stolen in plain sight, by armed thugs, etc, where in the US we have only intimations of computer error and the usual intimidation, voter 'stupidity' and bureaucratic chiselling.
There's a difference. It is the difference between armed and strong-arm robbery; which is, to the victim at least, none...
There ares some who say (steve_gilliard, e.g.) that we cannot compare the Ukraine situation with that in the recently concluded electoral farce in the USA; that the election in Ukraine was in fact stolen in plain sight, by armed thugs, etc, where in the US we have only intimations of computer error and the usual intimidation, voter 'stupidity' and bureaucratic chiselling.
There's a difference. It is the difference between armed and strong-arm robbery; which is, to the victim at least, none...
Remember how they made the "peace dividend" just disappear? The American peasants got excited at the prospect of money spent on schools rather than cold war weapons. And presto! Saddam and Gulf War One. If you don't have an enemy, you make one.
Remember how they made the "peace dividend" just disappear? The American peasants got excited at the prospect of money spent on schools rather than cold war weapons. And presto! Saddam and Gulf War One. If you don't have an enemy, you make one.
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Judge not and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall see clearly to remove the sliver in your neighbor's eye.
--Jesus of Nazareth, the Sermon on the Mount
Irony may be dead, but hypocrasy lives on.
Judge not and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall see clearly to remove the sliver in your neighbor's eye.
--Jesus of Nazareth, the Sermon on the Mount
Irony may be dead, but hypocrasy lives on.
Irony is not dead yet.
GW BUSH the prez with the MANDATE, the most powerful man on earth, will not address Canada's parliament while he is there.
Why- Dictator Bush is afraid he will be booed. Yes booed.
To the egomaniac fuck that is 1/2 of the US's prez I say you chickenshit. You are sending our kids to be SHOT at, and you are such a COWARD you are afraid to be booed at.
Irony is not dead yet.
GW BUSH the prez with the MANDATE, the most powerful man on earth, will not address Canada's parliament while he is there.
Why- Dictator Bush is afraid he will be booed. Yes booed.
To the egomaniac fuck that is 1/2 of the US's prez I say you chickenshit. You are sending our kids to be SHOT at, and you are such a COWARD you are afraid to be booed at.
Atrios can you provide us with a registration ID when you link to the Post? I really don't want to fill out their form.
pablo | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:28 pm | #
use kos' ID (he's authorized it)
"dailykos"
kos@dailykos.com
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use kos' ID (he's authorized it)
"dailykos"
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Look, if you guys are upset about what you claim to be a stolen election in America, shouldn't you also be upset about a stolen election in Ukraine?
Amazingly, the Bush administration is doing the right thing here. So I support their position.
I stand for democracy, human rights, and the rule of law everywhere, in both the US and Ukraine. The Ukrainian election was stolen, and now the Ukrainian people are trying to overcome that. I support them, and all the people who complained about stolen elections in the US should support them too. It's the same struggle, and who knows, maybe the Ukrainian passion will rub off here.
Talking about hypocrisy until you are blue in the face doesn't help the Ukrainians at all, and it doesn't help us here either.
Look, if you guys are upset about what you claim to be a stolen election in America, shouldn't you also be upset about a stolen election in Ukraine?
Amazingly, the Bush administration is doing the right thing here. So I support their position.
I stand for democracy, human rights, and the rule of law everywhere, in both the US and Ukraine. The Ukrainian election was stolen, and now the Ukrainian people are trying to overcome that. I support them, and all the people who complained about stolen elections in the US should support them too. It's the same struggle, and who knows, maybe the Ukrainian passion will rub off here.
Talking about hypocrisy until you are blue in the face doesn't help the Ukrainians at all, and it doesn't help us here either.
as i posted earlier today, we live behind the "Irony" Curtain...
That would be funny if it weren't so fucking true. 
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That would be funny if it weren't so fucking true.
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Irony, this is surreal.
Anywhere else in the world, more than a couple of points difference in an exit poll and the "actual" vote is a sign of fraud--indeed, this is the measure of legitimacy used by international monitors. Here, where the president announces his victory on national television *before* the election, its a mere error.
In survey statistics, a sophisticated and complex mathematic science grounded in a large body of scholarly work, exit polling is considered among the most robust and unbiased estimates going. The greatest source of error is gone because you don't have to find the sample, they are all in one place. Additionally, there is little recall bias because people often remember the a momentous event if it happened 2 minutes ago. The error rates are well established, and the methods used to calculate them are noncontroversial. In other words, as shown in many of the recent white papers cranked out by PhD's, the discrpency we saw is emblematic of widespread illegitimacy. This would be true even if it were randomly distributed, but the clustering of these "irregularities" by county and according to the voting machine used is...well, astronomically unlikely.
I'll leave it to others to decide whether it constituted intentional fraud. But the point is, in an informed democracy, people should be in the streets.
The system here is dead. Long live the Ukraine. Maybe we should be waving orange instead of blue.
Irony, this is surreal.
Anywhere else in the world, more than a couple of points difference in an exit poll and the "actual" vote is a sign of fraud--indeed, this is the measure of legitimacy used by international monitors. Here, where the president announces his victory on national television *before* the election, its a mere error.
In survey statistics, a sophisticated and complex mathematic science grounded in a large body of scholarly work, exit polling is considered among the most robust and unbiased estimates going. The greatest source of error is gone because you don't have to find the sample, they are all in one place. Additionally, there is little recall bias because people often remember the a momentous event if it happened 2 minutes ago. The error rates are well established, and the methods used to calculate them are noncontroversial. In other words, as shown in many of the recent white papers cranked out by PhD's, the discrpency we saw is emblematic of widespread illegitimacy. This would be true even if it were randomly distributed, but the clustering of these "irregularities" by county and according to the voting machine used is...well, astronomically unlikely.
I'll leave it to others to decide whether it constituted intentional fraud. But the point is, in an informed democracy, people should be in the streets.
The system here is dead. Long live the Ukraine. Maybe we should be waving orange instead of blue.
I have a hard time believing that Irony is dead.
I have a hard time believing that Irony is dead.
Amazingly, the Bush administration is doing the right thing here. So I support their position.
Of course. But you'd want the US to be speaking from strength here. It's not.
Ukraine reminds me of Milosovic in Serbia. In September-October 2000. Note the date. It was when the US could talk about unfair elections and not be laughed at.
So this one may well fall into the hands of the EU, as far as diplomatic intervention is concerned.
Amazingly, the Bush administration is doing the right thing here. So I support their position.
Of course. But you'd want the US to be speaking from strength here. It's not.
Ukraine reminds me of Milosovic in Serbia. In September-October 2000. Note the date. It was when the US could talk about unfair elections and not be laughed at.
So this one may well fall into the hands of the EU, as far as diplomatic intervention is concerned.
Judge not and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall see clearly to remove the sliver in your neighbor's eye.
--Jesus of Nazareth, the Sermon on the Mount
"Want some wood?"
--George of Bush, the Smarming of the Election
Judge not and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall see clearly to remove the sliver in your neighbor's eye.
--Jesus of Nazareth, the Sermon on the Mount
"Want some wood?"
--George of Bush, the Smarming of the Election
Some kind poster here awhile back gave this way into WaPo
ID: gorevidal@fuckyoupost.com
password: gorevidal
Works like a charm, everyday for a year, so they're not hip to it anymore than the elderly, undereducated Haitain CEO from above.
Some kind poster here awhile back gave this way into WaPo
ID: gorevidal@fuckyoupost.com
password: gorevidal
Works like a charm, everyday for a year, so they're not hip to it anymore than the elderly, undereducated Haitain CEO from above.
About the US doing the right thing with criticizing Ukraine.
Analogous to US criticizing every country on nukes, chemical and biological weapons when we by far have the largest stockpiles. And don't get me started on the blind eye to Israel.
About the US doing the right thing with criticizing Ukraine.
Analogous to US criticizing every country on nukes, chemical and biological weapons when we by far have the largest stockpiles. And don't get me started on the blind eye to Israel.
Some kind poster here awhile back gave this way into WaPo
ID: gorevidal@fuckyoupost.com
password: gorevidal
Works like a charm, everyday for a year, so they're not hip to it anymore than the elderly, undereducated Haitain CEO from above.
Some kind poster here awhile back gave this way into WaPo
ID: gorevidal@fuckyoupost.com
password: gorevidal
Works like a charm, everyday for a year, so they're not hip to it anymore than the elderly, undereducated Haitain CEO from above.
Tom Lehrer called it quits when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize.
Tom Lehrer called it quits when Kissinger got the Nobel Peace Prize.
so terribly sorry about the double post, I've had troubles with haloscan not letting me refresh...
so terribly sorry about the double post, I've had troubles with haloscan not letting me refresh...
Hektor Bim: I'm confused, too.
I'm not happy about Bush's reelection, but I don't see the equivalency between Ukraine's election and ours, other than maybe some superficial laughs. Furthermore, the Bush admin seems to working against my usual expectation by standing on principle and supporting democracy, even when that support may lead to the election of an official that has already opposed some of Bush's policies including support for the war in Iraq. I'll admit that I'm surprised by that, but I don't understand why that makes the folks around here unhappy.
Am I missing something?
Hektor Bim: I'm confused, too.
I'm not happy about Bush's reelection, but I don't see the equivalency between Ukraine's election and ours, other than maybe some superficial laughs. Furthermore, the Bush admin seems to working against my usual expectation by standing on principle and supporting democracy, even when that support may lead to the election of an official that has already opposed some of Bush's policies including support for the war in Iraq. I'll admit that I'm surprised by that, but I don't understand why that makes the folks around here unhappy.
Am I missing something?
Judge first and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall be able to beat your neighbor over the head with it, closing his eyes forever--
Jesus of Republicanism, the Sermon of the Rove
Judge first and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall be able to beat your neighbor over the head with it, closing his eyes forever--
Jesus of Republicanism, the Sermon of the Rove
Everyone knows we only support legitimately elected democratic leadrs. Like Aristide. And Chavez. We're all about the will of the people.
However, apart from the electronic voting thing, I think every U.S. election has had about the same level of chicanery. People just didn't pay any attention in elections where the vote wasn't close enough for the fraud to make any difference.
Everyone knows we only support legitimately elected democratic leadrs. Like Aristide. And Chavez. We're all about the will of the people.
However, apart from the electronic voting thing, I think every U.S. election has had about the same level of chicanery. People just didn't pay any attention in elections where the vote wasn't close enough for the fraud to make any difference.
Hektor Bim: I'm confused, too.
I'm not happy about Bush's reelection, but I don't see the equivalency between Ukraine's election and ours, other than maybe some superficial laughs. Furthermore, the Bush admin seems to working against my usual expectation by standing on principle and supporting democracy, even when that support may lead to the election of an official that has already opposed some of Bush's policies including support for the war in Iraq. I'll admit that I'm surprised by that, but I don't understand why that makes the folks around here unhappy.
Am I missing something?
Hektor Bim: I'm confused, too.
I'm not happy about Bush's reelection, but I don't see the equivalency between Ukraine's election and ours, other than maybe some superficial laughs. Furthermore, the Bush admin seems to working against my usual expectation by standing on principle and supporting democracy, even when that support may lead to the election of an official that has already opposed some of Bush's policies including support for the war in Iraq. I'll admit that I'm surprised by that, but I don't understand why that makes the folks around here unhappy.
Am I missing something?
Judge first and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall be able to beat your neighbor over the head with it, closing his eyes forever--
Followed by Jesus ditching the Disciples, calling them a "bunch of fags," and opted for a bevy of Hooters girls.
Judge first and you shall not be judged. . . . Why do you look at the sliver in your neighbor's eye when there is a log in your own eye? You hypocrite--First remove the log in your own eye, then you shall be able to beat your neighbor over the head with it, closing his eyes forever--
Followed by Jesus ditching the Disciples, calling them a "bunch of fags," and opted for a bevy of Hooters girls.
I was watching the talking heads dismissing exit polling, from basically every major network and cable news broadcast, liberal medai indeed.
I was watching the talking heads dismissing exit polling, from basically every major network and cable news broadcast, liberal medai indeed.
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I don't know, scottd. For some people, it seems like hypocrisy is the greatest sin, before which all other sins must fall.
This has the possibility of being a virtuous circle here, people. Everyone in the US political class unites in support of democratic elections in Ukraine. Then, Democratic members of Congress submit election reforms bills, say call them "Ukrainian Freedom" bills that explicitly call for free and transparent elections and provide for them according to internationally accepted rules.
It's a lot harder for the Bush administration to say democracy is good for other people but not for us.
So let's support our country when it does the right thing. It's as simple as that.
I don't know, scottd. For some people, it seems like hypocrisy is the greatest sin, before which all other sins must fall.
This has the possibility of being a virtuous circle here, people. Everyone in the US political class unites in support of democratic elections in Ukraine. Then, Democratic members of Congress submit election reforms bills, say call them "Ukrainian Freedom" bills that explicitly call for free and transparent elections and provide for them according to internationally accepted rules.
It's a lot harder for the Bush administration to say democracy is good for other people but not for us.
So let's support our country when it does the right thing. It's as simple as that.
During the first weekend of the Iraq Fiasco I tuned to a late night preacher show and they were actually saying the God is a "God of War" and that some people misinterprete that he is a God of Peace.
I almost had a nervous breakdown on the spot, but it happened a few months later.
During the first weekend of the Iraq Fiasco I tuned to a late night preacher show and they were actually saying the God is a "God of War" and that some people misinterprete that he is a God of Peace.
I almost had a nervous breakdown on the spot, but it happened a few months later.
Followed by Jesus ditching the Disciples, calling them a "bunch of fags," and opted for a bevy of Hooters girls.
Yeah, I always liked the parables about the Hooters girls. Then there is the Girl Gone Wild video at Golgotha.
Followed by Jesus ditching the Disciples, calling them a "bunch of fags," and opted for a bevy of Hooters girls.
Yeah, I always liked the parables about the Hooters girls. Then there is the Girl Gone Wild video at Golgotha.
Note also that the Ukrainian opposition isn't relying onexit polls for their argument - they are relying on clear proof of falsification large enough to throw the election. The election monitors saw it and reported it.
Forget the exit polls. They are only a small piece of the puzzle, not the main shebang.
Am I missing something?
scottd | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:55 pm |
only the fact that the election here was no less stolen for having been done more quietly and electronically than was the Ukraine election snatched by armed thugs in black sedans...knock knock???anybody home??? There's no end of irony in the Regime's support of democrqacy abroad when they fear it so and work so hard to defeat it at home, doncha think??? Sweet leaping CHUY, can't nobody think nomore???
Note also that the Ukrainian opposition isn't relying onexit polls for their argument - they are relying on clear proof of falsification large enough to throw the election. The election monitors saw it and reported it.
Forget the exit polls. They are only a small piece of the puzzle, not the main shebang.
Am I missing something?
scottd | Email | Homepage | 11.24.04 - 2:55 pm |
only the fact that the election here was no less stolen for having been done more quietly and electronically than was the Ukraine election snatched by armed thugs in black sedans...knock knock???anybody home??? There's no end of irony in the Regime's support of democrqacy abroad when they fear it so and work so hard to defeat it at home, doncha think??? Sweet leaping CHUY, can't nobody think nomore???
The scene in "Gospel Girls Gone Wild" I really get off on is when Mary Magdalene washes Jesus feet in oil and dries them with her hair.
I used to have a foot fetish but the nails through Christ's feet on the Cross kinda ruined it for me.
The scene in "Gospel Girls Gone Wild" I really get off on is when Mary Magdalene washes Jesus feet in oil and dries them with her hair.
I used to have a foot fetish but the nails through Christ's feet on the Cross kinda ruined it for me.
Yeah, but I'm sure if hundreds of thousands of protestors showed up in front of the White House, Colin Powell would call for the US election to be revoked.
BTW - I'm in the market for a bridge, preferably in the New York area. Anyone have one for sale?
Yeah, but I'm sure if hundreds of thousands of protestors showed up in front of the White House, Colin Powell would call for the US election to be revoked.
BTW - I'm in the market for a bridge, preferably in the New York area. Anyone have one for sale?
Thanks Mike. My fear is that they count those registrations as part of their circulation when calculating ad rates.
Thanks Mike. My fear is that they count those registrations as part of their circulation when calculating ad rates.
I never got married because I was practicing celibacy- Fuck That!
Truth is, I nailed every hot chick from Nazareth to Cairo. Those Nile whores are sumthin' else, I tell ya.
I never got married because I was practicing celibacy- Fuck That!
Truth is, I nailed every hot chick from Nazareth to Cairo. Those Nile whores are sumthin' else, I tell ya.
Why Terrorism Works
By Irwin N. Graulich
Sep 4, 2003
Stop thinking like a Westerner and you will begin to understand terrorism.
There was virtually no guilt trip for destroying the great cities of Nazi Germany, Japan or Korea, including the unfortunate victims of war known as "innocent civilians." Once upon a time democracies knew their enemies and were able to determine general target locations. There was no moral problem with bombing Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki, although they resulted in hundreds of thousands of casualties. Yet today, when 5 civilian deaths are produced in Iraq or 2 Palestinians are wounded by rubber bullets, the event becomes a worldwide tragedy. Even worse, the targeting of a Hamas terrorist has become synonymous with assassinating a head of state. Why?
How did terrorism manifest itself into freedom fighting and what are the reasons it has emanated from the Muslim world? When a once great civilization and religious culture fails miserably, it has only 2 choices. Go out of business or delude itself into believing it has not failed at all, by producing a new false reality of physical strength and spiritual greatness. Thus terrorism was born to compensate for a hatred of the good and successful, who are also superior in virtually every way. Muslim religious leaders are its major proponents because they see the flaws and fraudulence of their own belief system which is a frightening concept.
The previously mighty, powerful Arab and Muslim world has fallen into the dustbin of history. It no longer produces anything of value, wisdom, discovery or progress. Those amazing Arabian armies of the desert have been reduced to the laughing stock of West Point studies, with the six strongest Arab nations together being totally decimated by a tiny Jewish nation of largely Yeshiva boys.
Furthermore, this little Jewish state has become one of the leaders in scientific and technological breakthroughs, while the countries that retain a good portion of the world's oil wealth have trouble building a shopping center. Israel is a hard enough pill to swallow, but America's success cannot even fit into their mouths.
As Western democracies progressed into the 21st century, much of Arab/Muslim civilization reversed course back into the 16th century. No more great Muslim warriors; no more medical breakthroughs; no more beautiful writings. The development of modern warfare has made every Arab and Muslim country the "butt" of military jokes. The well known videotapes of large battalions of soldiers crying and surrendering to the Israelis waving their hands in the air, or the "brave, great" Iraqi soldiers giving up to journalists during the Gulf War have become embedded into everyone's mind, especially fellow Muslims. Their dignity was destroyed and thus terrorism was born. However, there is something wrong with a mentality that is embarrassed because a tyrant like Saddam was defeated.
Terrorism is a type of warfare where the pe
Why Terrorism Works
By Irwin N. Graulich
Sep 4, 2003
Stop thinking like a Westerner and you will begin to understand terrorism.
There was virtually no guilt trip for destroying the great cities of Nazi Germany, Japan or Korea, including the unfortunate victims of war known as "innocent civilians." Once upon a time democracies knew their enemies and were able to determine general target locations. There was no moral problem with bombing Berlin, Dresden, Hiroshima or Nagasaki, although they resulted in hundreds of thousands of casualties. Yet today, when 5 civilian deaths are produced in Iraq or 2 Palestinians are wounded by rubber bullets, the event becomes a worldwide tragedy. Even worse, the targeting of a Hamas terrorist has become synonymous with assassinating a head of state. Why?
How did terrorism manifest itself into freedom fighting and what are the reasons it has emanated from the Muslim world? When a once great civilization and religious culture fails miserably, it has only 2 choices. Go out of business or delude itself into believing it has not failed at all, by producing a new false reality of physical strength and spiritual greatness. Thus terrorism was born to compensate for a hatred of the good and successful, who are also superior in virtually every way. Muslim religious leaders are its major proponents because they see the flaws and fraudulence of their own belief system which is a frightening concept.
The previously mighty, powerful Arab and Muslim world has fallen into the dustbin of history. It no longer produces anything of value, wisdom, discovery or progress. Those amazing Arabian armies of the desert have been reduced to the laughing stock of West Point studies, with the six strongest Arab nations together being totally decimated by a tiny Jewish nation of largely Yeshiva boys.
Furthermore, this little Jewish state has become one of the leaders in scientific and technological breakthroughs, while the countries that retain a good portion of the world's oil wealth have trouble building a shopping center. Israel is a hard enough pill to swallow, but America's success cannot even fit into their mouths.
As Western democracies progressed into the 21st century, much of Arab/Muslim civilization reversed course back into the 16th century. No more great Muslim warriors; no more medical breakthroughs; no more beautiful writings. The development of modern warfare has made every Arab and Muslim country the "butt" of military jokes. The well known videotapes of large battalions of soldiers crying and surrendering to the Israelis waving their hands in the air, or the "brave, great" Iraqi soldiers giving up to journalists during the Gulf War have become embedded into everyone's mind, especially fellow Muslims. Their dignity was destroyed and thus terrorism was born. However, there is something wrong with a mentality that is embarrassed because a tyrant like Saddam was defeated.
Terrorism is a type of warfare where the pe
agitprop, well you can't sell "The Bridge to the 21st Century" since that one collapsed a few years ago.
I think Halliburton was one of the contractors for it.
agitprop, well you can't sell "The Bridge to the 21st Century" since that one collapsed a few years ago.
I think Halliburton was one of the contractors for it.
I never got married because I was practicing celibacy
You can't practice celibacy, celibacy practices you.
I never got married because I was practicing celibacy
You can't practice celibacy, celibacy practices you.
Where the hell have YOU been??? Irony died ages ago.
But you do have a, uh, point. Wow.
Where the hell have YOU been??? Irony died ages ago.
But you do have a, uh, point. Wow.
I think most people would agree that it's a good thing to fight the stolen election in Ukraine. That's a given.
But after the way the Bushies conducted elections in this country it's still pretty laughable.
I think most people would agree that it's a good thing to fight the stolen election in Ukraine. That's a given.
But after the way the Bushies conducted elections in this country it's still pretty laughable.
I used to have a foot fetish but the nails through Christ's feet on the Cross kinda ruined it for me.
Well Cheney_usa, you'll be happy to see this new product.
I used to have a foot fetish but the nails through Christ's feet on the Cross kinda ruined it for me.
Well Cheney_usa, you'll be happy to see this new product.
"In this Thanksgiving week, PFAW would like your help in sending a huge THANK YOU to Senator Kent Conrad for his courageous stand to block a threat to the privacy of your tax returns contained in a massive spending bill.
"You may have heard already: House Republicans slipped into the huge end-of-session spending bill a tiny provision which would allow the chairmen of the Congressional Appropriations Committees and their staff to examine Americans' income tax returns. And it would have overridden privacy safeguards against disclosure of your tax return.
"Senator Conrad's principled protest was only possible because of the Senate's unique rules. Unlike in the House of Representatives, a determined minority in the Senate, or even a single Senator, can use the "right to debate" to insist that the Congress do the right thing.
"Let's be thankful that the Senate can serve as a check against the recklessness of the House of Representatives, whose leadership is willing to steamroll the minority whenever it wants.
"Let's be thankful that even the threat of a filibuster can allow Senators to block dangerous legislation or other matters, including judicial nominations.
"And today, let's thank Senator Conrad for being the one to say "NO" to the Republican leadership.
"SEND A THANKSGIVING THANK YOU TO NORTH DAKOTA SENATOR CONRAD:
CALL (202) 224-2043
AND TELL SENATOR CONRAD
Thank you for using your job as a senator to defend my right to privacy, and for using the rules of the Senate to ensure that the Republican "Tax Return Grab" provision did not become law.
Thank you for having the courage to stand up for your principles.
I will continue to support you and your colleagues in your battle to make the voice of the true majority heard. We rely on your determination and courage to protect our civil rights and liberties in the coming years.
With Republicans controlling the House, the Senate, and the White House, the Senate's unique rules and traditions serve as our last barrier of defense against the excess of arrogance that result from single-party control of every branch of government. Let's start now in encouraging the steadfast courage of Senators like Kent Conrad, and remembering why these rules that set the Senate apart from the House will be so essential to maintain in the coming years."
PFAW 2004 | Circulate until November 27, 2004
(I corrected the original 'minority' to 'true majority' and sent a note to PFAW saying I had done so. If you go to PFAW.org to get the letter and spare your fingers, please consider 'correcting' it before sending).
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"In this Thanksgiving week, PFAW would like your help in sending a huge THANK YOU to Senator Kent Conrad for his courageous stand to block a threat to the privacy of your tax returns contained in a massive spending bill.
"You may have heard already: House Republicans slipped into the huge end-of-session spending bill a tiny provision which would allow the chairmen of the Congressional Appropriations Committees and their staff to examine Americans' income tax returns. And it would have overridden privacy safeguards against disclosure of your tax return.
"Senator Conrad's principled protest was only possible because of the Senate's unique rules. Unlike in the House of Representatives, a determined minority in the Senate, or even a single Senator, can use the "right to debate" to insist that the Congress do the right thing.
"Let's be thankful that the Senate can serve as a check against the recklessness of the House of Representatives, whose leadership is willing to steamroll the minority whenever it wants.
"Let's be thankful that even the threat of a filibuster can allow Senators to block dangerous legislation or other matters, including judicial nominations.
"And today, let's thank Senator Conrad for being the one to say "NO" to the Republican leadership.
"SEND A THANKSGIVING THANK YOU TO NORTH DAKOTA SENATOR CONRAD:
CALL (202) 224-2043
AND TELL SENATOR CONRAD
Thank you for using your job as a senator to defend my right to privacy, and for using the rules of the Senate to ensure that the Republican "Tax Return Grab" provision did not become law.
Thank you for having the courage to stand up for your principles.
I will continue to support you and your colleagues in your battle to make the voice of the true majority heard. We rely on your determination and courage to protect our civil rights and liberties in the coming years.
With Republicans controlling the House, the Senate, and the White House, the Senate's unique rules and traditions serve as our last barrier of defense against the excess of arrogance that result from single-party control of every branch of government. Let's start now in encouraging the steadfast courage of Senators like Kent Conrad, and remembering why these rules that set the Senate apart from the House will be so essential to maintain in the coming years."
PFAW 2004 | Circulate until November 27, 2004
(I corrected the original 'minority' to 'true majority' and sent a note to PFAW saying I had done so. If you go to PFAW.org to get the letter and spare your fingers, please consider 'correcting' it before sending).
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"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people
ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high
priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was
the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of
being stared at."
"Would you like some wine with your nose?"
"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people
ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high
priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was
the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of
being stared at."
"Would you like some wine with your nose?"
Why Terrorism Works
By Irwin N. Graulich
Sep 4, 2003
Where'd you dredge up this piece of rhetorical feculence?
and why would you think anybody here would enjoy it?
No moral ambiguity over Hiroshima? What're you, some kind of psychopath? Chuy fuck man! I need a shower...
Why Terrorism Works
By Irwin N. Graulich
Sep 4, 2003
Where'd you dredge up this piece of rhetorical feculence?
and why would you think anybody here would enjoy it?
No moral ambiguity over Hiroshima? What're you, some kind of psychopath? Chuy fuck man! I need a shower...
What are you missing? Your ability to see the truth maybe?
Bush has done and continues to do all he can to destroy democracy here while supporting it elsewhere.
The last two elections here were rigged. You know, like the one in Ukraine?
And the people who rigged it are pointing fingers at the rigged election in Ukraine.
Irony isn't just dead, it slit its own wrists.
What are you missing? Your ability to see the truth maybe?
Bush has done and continues to do all he can to destroy democracy here while supporting it elsewhere.
The last two elections here were rigged. You know, like the one in Ukraine?
And the people who rigged it are pointing fingers at the rigged election in Ukraine.
Irony isn't just dead, it slit its own wrists.
I have once again lost a complete grasp on the meaning of the word "irony"
U.S. denounces Ukraine elections due to "fraud"
Ever notice that the Bush administration is CONSISTENTLY denouncing the very things they're guilty of?
Like using scare tactics? (By consistently forseeing a horrific and destructive attack on the U.S. that hasn't yet occured, thereby holding the public's attention at their control through random attack warnings based on years old information that mysteriously occur on the back of negative news about the administration)
And limiting freedom? (By detaining prisoners - both foreign and American citizens - at Guantanamo Bay without representation and at the risk and occurence of abuse and torture)
And manufacturing one's military history? (By claiming Bush flew a plane for several years in the National Guard - when he was only there a few months)
And flip-flopping on issues to maintain popularity? (By opposing then supporting a 9/11 commission after it was shown to be a good election move)
And practicing tax and spend politics? (With a tax cut that only shifted the tax burden to the middle class according to the government's own accounting office)
And not keeping the government out of people's private lives? (With the USA Patriot Act)
And not recognizing states' rights? (With the FMA amendment proposal)
And killing innocent people? (In Iraq)
And not providing support to troops? (By not providing them with proper armor, health and other benefits)
I have once again lost a complete grasp on the meaning of the word "irony"
U.S. denounces Ukraine elections due to "fraud"
Ever notice that the Bush administration is CONSISTENTLY denouncing the very things they're guilty of?
Like using scare tactics? (By consistently forseeing a horrific and destructive attack on the U.S. that hasn't yet occured, thereby holding the public's attention at their control through random attack warnings based on years old information that mysteriously occur on the back of negative news about the administration)
And limiting freedom? (By detaining prisoners - both foreign and American citizens - at Guantanamo Bay without representation and at the risk and occurence of abuse and torture)
And manufacturing one's military history? (By claiming Bush flew a plane for several years in the National Guard - when he was only there a few months)
And flip-flopping on issues to maintain popularity? (By opposing then supporting a 9/11 commission after it was shown to be a good election move)
And practicing tax and spend politics? (With a tax cut that only shifted the tax burden to the middle class according to the government's own accounting office)
And not keeping the government out of people's private lives? (With the USA Patriot Act)
And not recognizing states' rights? (With the FMA amendment proposal)
And killing innocent people? (In Iraq)
And not providing support to troops? (By not providing them with proper armor, health and other benefits)
Josh Davis - thanks for pointing all those things out. They are consistent in projecting onto everyone else what they are guilty of. Yes, they do it all the fucking time - even when it doesn't matter, they do it.
I want my country back, damn it.
I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow. Not one.
Josh Davis - thanks for pointing all those things out. They are consistent in projecting onto everyone else what they are guilty of. Yes, they do it all the fucking time - even when it doesn't matter, they do it.
I want my country back, damn it.
I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow. Not one.
I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow. Not one.
Tena-Oh there must be something. Let's see...Ayn Rand is still dead.
I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow. Not one.
Tena-Oh there must be something. Let's see...Ayn Rand is still dead.
Central Scrutinizer, great fun.
Central Scrutinizer, great fun.
spinoza - keep going - that one works.
spinoza - keep going - that one works.
"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people
ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high
priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was
the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of
being stared at."
"Would you like some wine with your nose?"
Berek Halfhand
Quoting Roxanne and naming yourself after a character in the best fantasy series of all time...I think I'm in love 
"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people
ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high
priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was
the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of
being stared at."
"Would you like some wine with your nose?"
Berek Halfhand
Quoting Roxanne and naming yourself after a character in the best fantasy series of all time...I think I'm in love
However, because president shit for brains' tax cuts, scatology is is great health and living in Palm Springs.
However, because president shit for brains' tax cuts, scatology is is great health and living in Palm Springs.
"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people
ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high
priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was
the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of
being stared at."
"Would you like some wine with your nose?"
"Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people
ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high
priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was
the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of
being stared at."
"Would you like some wine with your nose?"
Bughunt,
I thought that xenomorphs were involved.
Have you read "The Runes of the Earth" yet?
(Sorry about the duplicate posting, too quick on the "reload without thinking" button).
Bughunt,
I thought that xenomorphs were involved.
Have you read "The Runes of the Earth" yet?
(Sorry about the duplicate posting, too quick on the "reload without thinking" button).
Killing Pigs and Selling Slime
Even though Dubya was tagged with the week's failures - and how much "politcal capital" he would have to expend to keep party factions from rearranging the deck chairs on his demonic cruise liner - "Redrum" Rumsfeld was walking around like a gutter deviant with hypodermic needles dangling from his forearms while ignoring the blood oozing from his track marks.
Killing Pigs and Selling Slime
Even though Dubya was tagged with the week's failures - and how much "politcal capital" he would have to expend to keep party factions from rearranging the deck chairs on his demonic cruise liner - "Redrum" Rumsfeld was walking around like a gutter deviant with hypodermic needles dangling from his forearms while ignoring the blood oozing from his track marks.
And Putin retaliates with the sell-off of the dollar, sending the U.S. into fiscal crisis...
And Putin retaliates with the sell-off of the dollar, sending the U.S. into fiscal crisis...
Ok, I plead ignorance here - what fantasy series are we talking about?
Ok, I plead ignorance here - what fantasy series are we talking about?
TOTN@NPR.ORG was delicious this afternoon...
My mouth was agape the whole way home...
Fuckin ridiculous...
Rhodes is going off the rails on a crazy train right now,,,
Precious stuff, these strange days indeed...
Most peculiar Mommah, whoa-
TOTN@NPR.ORG was delicious this afternoon...
My mouth was agape the whole way home...
Fuckin ridiculous...
Rhodes is going off the rails on a crazy train right now,,,
Precious stuff, these strange days indeed...
Most peculiar Mommah, whoa-
bink, josh et al,
irony is dead precisely because it is everywhere. The bush campaign and administration are so divorced from reality, not only is up said to be down, no one is sure what is up anymore. It is completely impossible to tell anymore if someone is being sarcastic or not: "Did you hear the one about the US goverment questioning the Ukranian electoral standards?" If you say something completely f'in ridiculous, like "I voted for Bush because of what Kerry did in Viet Nam?" only a few people who really know you will understand you are stating an absurdity as a joke, most people will assume you are being serious since they don't know what to believe anymore because of all the lies, and 51% will say, "Yeah, me too."
bink, josh et al,
irony is dead precisely because it is everywhere. The bush campaign and administration are so divorced from reality, not only is up said to be down, no one is sure what is up anymore. It is completely impossible to tell anymore if someone is being sarcastic or not: "Did you hear the one about the US goverment questioning the Ukranian electoral standards?" If you say something completely f'in ridiculous, like "I voted for Bush because of what Kerry did in Viet Nam?" only a few people who really know you will understand you are stating an absurdity as a joke, most people will assume you are being serious since they don't know what to believe anymore because of all the lies, and 51% will say, "Yeah, me too."
Tena,
"The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" by Stephen Donaldson.
Two trilogies that finished over twenty years ago. Just this fall he has published the first of a third series, "The Runes of the Earth".
Highly recommended.
Tena,
"The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" by Stephen Donaldson.
Two trilogies that finished over twenty years ago. Just this fall he has published the first of a third series, "The Runes of the Earth".
Highly recommended.
Randi sez the tax-payer spying text is still in the omnibus spending bill...
the return to the days of Nixonian tax harrassment....
today there was supposed to have been a conference to get it out...it didn't happen, it's still in there....
Randi sez the tax-payer spying text is still in the omnibus spending bill...
the return to the days of Nixonian tax harrassment....
today there was supposed to have been a conference to get it out...it didn't happen, it's still in there....
I've spent a lot of time in Russia since GW's 2000 "election". Folks there think it's hilarious when the Bush Admin. lectures them about democracy and free enterprise.
I've spent a lot of time in Russia since GW's 2000 "election". Folks there think it's hilarious when the Bush Admin. lectures them about democracy and free enterprise.
the Covenant character started the series as a leper...huge allegorical hint there...
the Covenant character started the series as a leper...huge allegorical hint there...
Peter--Thanks for the link to an annoyed Putin selling $$$. My fave quote:
"The dollar is friendless and in danger of freefall," said Neil Mackinnon, chief economist at ECU Group.
As long as the market believes the US administration is following a policy of benign neglect, then the dollar will continue to fall whatever the European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan does to counter-act it, he added
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I know the plan--with a near-worthless dollar and hyperinflation, everyone will become a millionaire. And they'll be able to put Reagan's picture on the $10,000,000 bill, good for a medium bucket of movie popcorn
Peter--Thanks for the link to an annoyed Putin selling $$$. My fave quote:
"The dollar is friendless and in danger of freefall," said Neil Mackinnon, chief economist at ECU Group.
As long as the market believes the US administration is following a policy of benign neglect, then the dollar will continue to fall whatever the European Central Bank and the Bank of Japan does to counter-act it, he added
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I know the plan--with a near-worthless dollar and hyperinflation, everyone will become a millionaire. And they'll be able to put Reagan's picture on the $10,000,000 bill, good for a medium bucket of movie popcorn
Berend - thanks. I tried reading that and couldn't. Maybe I should try again, since it's so highly recommended.
Berend - thanks. I tried reading that and couldn't. Maybe I should try again, since it's so highly recommended.
Why is colin sticking his lame duck 0.02$ in Ukrains bizz anyhow?
Why is colin sticking his lame duck 0.02$ in Ukrains bizz anyhow?
I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow.
How about 2 I heard today - presidential term limits and the filibuster. Lame, I know...I'm bummed too. At least my side of the family all voted Kerry.
I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow.
How about 2 I heard today - presidential term limits and the filibuster. Lame, I know...I'm bummed too. At least my side of the family all voted Kerry.
Tina,
Give thanks that you have people in the blogworld who will affirm that you're not crazy (or at least not even the only crazy person in Texas if you are crazy...). Before the Net I was really beginning to wonder about my own sanity.
Tina,
Give thanks that you have people in the blogworld who will affirm that you're not crazy (or at least not even the only crazy person in Texas if you are crazy...). Before the Net I was really beginning to wonder about my own sanity.
Wait a minute, stop the presses!!!! Since when was Ukraine on the list of countries to invade? ...and moving straight to the top? Damn, can't keep up with these Bushliar, neocon, repukelican freak wack jobs. what's the old Bob Dylan line about 'we'll soon investigatin'ourselves': update - 'we'll soon invadin'ourselves'
.
Wait a minute, stop the presses!!!! Since when was Ukraine on the list of countries to invade? ...and moving straight to the top? Damn, can't keep up with these Bushliar, neocon, repukelican freak wack jobs. what's the old Bob Dylan line about 'we'll soon investigatin'ourselves': update - 'we'll soon invadin'ourselves'
.
Thanks, Paul - good work like that of Sens. Conrad, Lautenberg, Boxer, and Feinstein deserves our support. The Senate will be the most important weapon at our disposal for the next 2 years unless a much-hoped for reversal of the Ohio results takes place.
If you are unable to reach Sen. Conrad's office on the phone, send him an E-mail.
Perhaps a lot of "atta boys" will make a tough situation a little bit easier to get through.
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Thanks, Paul - good work like that of Sens. Conrad, Lautenberg, Boxer, and Feinstein deserves our support. The Senate will be the most important weapon at our disposal for the next 2 years unless a much-hoped for reversal of the Ohio results takes place.
If you are unable to reach Sen. Conrad's office on the phone, send him an E-mail.
Perhaps a lot of "atta boys" will make a tough situation a little bit easier to get through.
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Why is powell sticking his lame duck ass into another countries voter fraud when there is enough to go around round here? Are they planning on claiming we are copy cat protesters...when they finally do happen that is.
Why is powell sticking his lame duck ass into another countries voter fraud when there is enough to go around round here? Are they planning on claiming we are copy cat protesters...when they finally do happen that is.
downbound - Ok, I'll be thankful for that, too. I've been thankful for that going on 2 years now. I'm thankful for it every day - which is one reason I spend a lot of time here.
downbound - Ok, I'll be thankful for that, too. I've been thankful for that going on 2 years now. I'm thankful for it every day - which is one reason I spend a lot of time here.
Out of curiosity - how are the facist-leaning blogs addressing this, or are they even?
I'm sure the braintrust over at redstate.org would be on this with some ill-reasoned claptrap, but I can't bring myself to go over there.
I guess they're just saying there've been no problems in the last 2 pres elections?
Out of curiosity - how are the facist-leaning blogs addressing this, or are they even?
I'm sure the braintrust over at redstate.org would be on this with some ill-reasoned claptrap, but I can't bring myself to go over there.
I guess they're just saying there've been no problems in the last 2 pres elections?
Death of Irony? I have to disagree.
Actually, it sounds more like Irony has been given a new lease on life thanks to the Bush Administration.
Long Live Irony!
Death of Irony? I have to disagree.
Actually, it sounds more like Irony has been given a new lease on life thanks to the Bush Administration.
Long Live Irony!
"I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow. Not one.
Tena"
Wow, Tena, I can give you 85 million reasons to celebrate.
Imagine, for a horrible moment, if the rightwing traitors had gotten a 70:30 legitimate win in the Nov. election?
OK, WELL THEYDIDN'T.
They used all their dirty tricks to set the election at 51/49, with just enough margin to allow for some 'extra' ballots to be counted without losing the thing, and not a large enough margin to make people who were reading the fake polls say wait a minute.
Meanwhile, we all KNOW that we got 65% of the vote, easy. If all the Dems had been ALLOWED to vote, if their registrations weren't torn up, if their absentee ballots didn't go in the trash, if tens of millions of their votes hadn't been flipped by Diebold, if the waits in line hadn't been 22 hours, etc., etc., then we would have seen Bush and his whole crew of sociopath traitors
SHOT OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE LIKE CLOWNS OUT OF A CIRCUS CANNON.
And if that hilarious image doesn't make you hungry for turkey, nothing will. Except maybe Lawrence Welk reruns.
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"I really don't have one fucking reason to celebrate "Thanksgiving" tomorrow. Not one.
Tena"
Wow, Tena, I can give you 85 million reasons to celebrate.
Imagine, for a horrible moment, if the rightwing traitors had gotten a 70:30 legitimate win in the Nov. election?
OK, WELL THEYDIDN'T.
They used all their dirty tricks to set the election at 51/49, with just enough margin to allow for some 'extra' ballots to be counted without losing the thing, and not a large enough margin to make people who were reading the fake polls say wait a minute.
Meanwhile, we all KNOW that we got 65% of the vote, easy. If all the Dems had been ALLOWED to vote, if their registrations weren't torn up, if their absentee ballots didn't go in the trash, if tens of millions of their votes hadn't been flipped by Diebold, if the waits in line hadn't been 22 hours, etc., etc., then we would have seen Bush and his whole crew of sociopath traitors
SHOT OUT OF THE FRONT DOOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE LIKE CLOWNS OUT OF A CIRCUS CANNON.
And if that hilarious image doesn't make you hungry for turkey, nothing will. Except maybe Lawrence Welk reruns.
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"I guess they're just saying there've been no problems in the last 2 pres elections?
Pvt Sal Paradise"
They are typing 'losers' so much the L keys are falling off their keyboards.
The W's already have, and so they are using UU, which unfortunately looks too much like Cheney's man-boobs.
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"I guess they're just saying there've been no problems in the last 2 pres elections?
Pvt Sal Paradise"
They are typing 'losers' so much the L keys are falling off their keyboards.
The W's already have, and so they are using UU, which unfortunately looks too much like Cheney's man-boobs.
--
"Thanks, Paul - good work like that of Sens. Conrad, Lautenberg, Boxer, and Feinstein deserves our support."
I have heard, here, that Feinstein has come out in favor of Constitutional amendment to let a certain illegal immigrant TRAITOR hold our highest office.
No Senator or Congressman who supports Const. a's during an OBVIOUS COUP (Hello, you stupid millionaire senator), will ever get my vote again.
I don't care if Feinstein is replaced by a (legitimate) R -- if this is true, NO MORE JOBS IN GOVERNMENT.
--
"Thanks, Paul - good work like that of Sens. Conrad, Lautenberg, Boxer, and Feinstein deserves our support."
I have heard, here, that Feinstein has come out in favor of Constitutional amendment to let a certain illegal immigrant TRAITOR hold our highest office.
No Senator or Congressman who supports Const. a's during an OBVIOUS COUP (Hello, you stupid millionaire senator), will ever get my vote again.
I don't care if Feinstein is replaced by a (legitimate) R -- if this is true, NO MORE JOBS IN GOVERNMENT.
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Paul in LA - Ok ok. I know we won. I know that. I want our government, the one we voted for, in the WH on January 20, not the fascist fucks who are squatting there now.
Paul in LA - Ok ok. I know we won. I know that. I want our government, the one we voted for, in the WH on January 20, not the fascist fucks who are squatting there now.
The Ukraine today rejected the announced results of the United States' disputed presidential election and warned the government of the former American republic to uphold democracy or face "consequences" in its relationships with the Ukraine and Europe.
The Ukraine today rejected the announced results of the United States' disputed presidential election and warned the government of the former American republic to uphold democracy or face "consequences" in its relationships with the Ukraine and Europe.
For those who don't see the comparison between our election frauds and the Uki's, let me help. The Ukrainians have had virtually no experience cheating elections, so naturally it was blatant. On the other hand, Karl and the Boys are old hands at it and "own" their own voting machine company. There are two other big differences....the "defeated" Uki candidate is willing to TRY and do somthing about it, and the people of the Ukraine are willing to get the hell out in the street and demand fair elections. Sounds like they are doing a much better job than our Dems.
For those who don't see the comparison between our election frauds and the Uki's, let me help. The Ukrainians have had virtually no experience cheating elections, so naturally it was blatant. On the other hand, Karl and the Boys are old hands at it and "own" their own voting machine company. There are two other big differences....the "defeated" Uki candidate is willing to TRY and do somthing about it, and the people of the Ukraine are willing to get the hell out in the street and demand fair elections. Sounds like they are doing a much better job than our Dems.
Tsquared - yes, democracy in action is a beautiful thing to see or hear about. That's why I cried all the way back from the store yesterday while I was listening to a report from Kiev on BBCs the World.
I fucking wish I was Ukrainian. I'd like to live in a democracy, too.
Tsquared - yes, democracy in action is a beautiful thing to see or hear about. That's why I cried all the way back from the store yesterday while I was listening to a report from Kiev on BBCs the World.
I fucking wish I was Ukrainian. I'd like to live in a democracy, too.
in case anyone is interested in the riot/coup going on in the Ukraine, click the link below for real-time pictures of what's going on in the streets.
found the link on http://suburbanguerrilla.blogspot.com/
Enjoy.
http://www.1plus1.net/video/camera.php
in case anyone is interested in the riot/coup going on in the Ukraine, click the link below for real-time pictures of what's going on in the streets.
found the link on http://suburbanguerrilla.blogspot.com/
Enjoy.
http://www.1plus1.net/video/camera.php
Aren't a lot of the old Soviet missles located in Ukraine? Maybe we should be worried if they actually disputed our election results.
I'm waiting for the invasion from Canda. I'll be waiting at the rivefront with flowers and candy. I'll just have to tell them to watch out for the giant fist. (Detroit i.e. "new Fallujah" inside joke.)
Aren't a lot of the old Soviet missles located in Ukraine? Maybe we should be worried if they actually disputed our election results.
I'm waiting for the invasion from Canda. I'll be waiting at the rivefront with flowers and candy. I'll just have to tell them to watch out for the giant fist. (Detroit i.e. "new Fallujah" inside joke.)
In one view, the Bushliarco statements on former-soviet vote fraud are considered
'projection.'
In the same view, Bush himself with his zipper down is considered his
'idiocy.'
THE OTHER THESIS, and the one I recommend to your mentation, is that Bush, and Bushliarco are
STICKING THEIR BIG FAT ASSES IN OUR FACES, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
...and guffawing over the pain and grief they are causing, like the little Hitlers they are.
NO WAY a president of the US has his zipper down by accident. And for sure, a PREZNIT has it down as a message to the whole world.
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In one view, the Bushliarco statements on former-soviet vote fraud are considered
'projection.'
In the same view, Bush himself with his zipper down is considered his
'idiocy.'
THE OTHER THESIS, and the one I recommend to your mentation, is that Bush, and Bushliarco are
STICKING THEIR BIG FAT ASSES IN OUR FACES, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
...and guffawing over the pain and grief they are causing, like the little Hitlers they are.
NO WAY a president of the US has his zipper down by accident. And for sure, a PREZNIT has it down as a message to the whole world.
--
"I fucking wish I was Ukrainian. I'd like to live in a democracy, too." --Tena
Ah, no. The Ukraine, aside from being irradiated by Chernobyl, is under a constant threat of invasion and war with Russia and its allies. It is a shattered society, mostly agricultural, mostly poor, with a lot of racism and very little freedoms for women.
The US democracy WE STILL HAVE is something beautiful in this pain-soaked world.
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants.
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"I fucking wish I was Ukrainian. I'd like to live in a democracy, too." --Tena
Ah, no. The Ukraine, aside from being irradiated by Chernobyl, is under a constant threat of invasion and war with Russia and its allies. It is a shattered society, mostly agricultural, mostly poor, with a lot of racism and very little freedoms for women.
The US democracy WE STILL HAVE is something beautiful in this pain-soaked world.
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants.
--
I posted an email from one of our friends last night, who just returned from the Ukraine. Here's part of his wife's email today:
Holiday greetings -- Just wanted you to know we are thankful to be back in the USA this Thanksgiving after two weeks in Ukraine. We traveled the country extensively by van and train -- visited two new cities -- Poltava and Kirovograd -- and made many new friends during our sessions with journalists. We also got to hear updates on the project we helped start in 2001 -- and were pleased that some progress has been made. But the political tension was evident everywhere -- especially in Kiev and Lviv. Only from younger Ukrainians did we hear whispers of "revolution" and "civil war" -- but it seems the fradulent run-off election has forced many others into that camp and Ukraine is becoming its own worst nightmare. We were hopeful, as they all seemed to be, that the election would somehow be fair and honest -- but that really was too much to ask from the very corrupt government of Leonid Kuchma who has been in power for the last 10 years. Everywhere we went, people thought we were there to observe the elections -- there really was a lot of international scrutiny.
In spite of the political tension and anxiety, we enjoyed our time with Ukrainian friends and colleagues. Their lives are still difficult, but certainly improved over 10 years ago when we made our first visit there. The newspapers still lead a precarious existence - depending on how heavily they rely on state or county subsidies and how successful they have been in attracting advertising or finding other revenue sources. Part of the reason it's so frightening to hear about the unrest, calls for a national strike and acts of civil disobedience, is that everyone, even job-holders, lives so close to the edge there -- they are just barely making it. Any disruption is sure to send many lives into chaos and deprivation. Our friends are sure to suffer -- along with everyone else.
Scary times.
I posted an email from one of our friends last night, who just returned from the Ukraine. Here's part of his wife's email today:
Holiday greetings -- Just wanted you to know we are thankful to be back in the USA this Thanksgiving after two weeks in Ukraine. We traveled the country extensively by van and train -- visited two new cities -- Poltava and Kirovograd -- and made many new friends during our sessions with journalists. We also got to hear updates on the project we helped start in 2001 -- and were pleased that some progress has been made. But the political tension was evident everywhere -- especially in Kiev and Lviv. Only from younger Ukrainians did we hear whispers of "revolution" and "civil war" -- but it seems the fradulent run-off election has forced many others into that camp and Ukraine is becoming its own worst nightmare. We were hopeful, as they all seemed to be, that the election would somehow be fair and honest -- but that really was too much to ask from the very corrupt government of Leonid Kuchma who has been in power for the last 10 years. Everywhere we went, people thought we were there to observe the elections -- there really was a lot of international scrutiny.
In spite of the political tension and anxiety, we enjoyed our time with Ukrainian friends and colleagues. Their lives are still difficult, but certainly improved over 10 years ago when we made our first visit there. The newspapers still lead a precarious existence - depending on how heavily they rely on state or county subsidies and how successful they have been in attracting advertising or finding other revenue sources. Part of the reason it's so frightening to hear about the unrest, calls for a national strike and acts of civil disobedience, is that everyone, even job-holders, lives so close to the edge there -- they are just barely making it. Any disruption is sure to send many lives into chaos and deprivation. Our friends are sure to suffer -- along with everyone else.
Scary times.
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants
Exactly right. Say it again, brother!!!
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants.
Can I get an Amen????
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants
Exactly right. Say it again, brother!!!
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants.
Can I get an Amen????
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
I think the first requirement negates the need for the second; I don't care who developes the system, or whether or not the seek for a gain a profit through the contract to do so. What I care is that the system is verifiably secure and the results are verifiable. There is nothing wrong with for-profit development, there is something wrong with the systems used to count votes being secret from the voters.
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
I think the first requirement negates the need for the second; I don't care who developes the system, or whether or not the seek for a gain a profit through the contract to do so. What I care is that the system is verifiably secure and the results are verifiable. There is nothing wrong with for-profit development, there is something wrong with the systems used to count votes being secret from the voters.
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants.
Can I get an Amen????
Now we're talking!!
What we need is an ironclad, open source, NOT-FOR-PROFIT voting system.
We need Diebold out of our states, and Uncle Fester out of our pants.
Can I get an Amen????
Now we're talking!!
I can only shake my head and drink another rum and coke.
I can only shake my head and drink another rum and coke.
Paul in LA - I agree with all those things and I was being hyperbolic, which I frequently am guilty of being for the literary flourish of it. Writers are liars, to one extent or another. I'm a more or less failed writer, but I still can't avoid the temptation.
I love this country and the constitution dearly - more than I knew before all of this happened. I'll say this for Bush: He has made me realize that I am patriotic, which I didn't believe about myself. And if he keeps on, he's going to have me believing in God. It gets easier all the time to believe Bush really is the fucking anti-Christ.
Paul in LA - I agree with all those things and I was being hyperbolic, which I frequently am guilty of being for the literary flourish of it. Writers are liars, to one extent or another. I'm a more or less failed writer, but I still can't avoid the temptation.
I love this country and the constitution dearly - more than I knew before all of this happened. I'll say this for Bush: He has made me realize that I am patriotic, which I didn't believe about myself. And if he keeps on, he's going to have me believing in God. It gets easier all the time to believe Bush really is the fucking anti-Christ.
To those who cry *election fraud*,
And say Ukraine's our twin pea in a pod;
Please stop with your fretting,
Cuz what you're forgetting,
Is Chimp's special exemption from God.
..
To those who cry *election fraud*,
And say Ukraine's our twin pea in a pod;
Please stop with your fretting,
Cuz what you're forgetting,
Is Chimp's special exemption from God.
..
cm, I think instead open-source and for-profit are mutually exclusive, frankly.
Besides, i gotta tell you, i have large problems with folks making profits off the vote/franchise and off penology...there are just not enough disincentives to prevent abuse...take out the profit and you take out the incentive for abuse...
cm, I think instead open-source and for-profit are mutually exclusive, frankly.
Besides, i gotta tell you, i have large problems with folks making profits off the vote/franchise and off penology...there are just not enough disincentives to prevent abuse...take out the profit and you take out the incentive for abuse...
Monica A - Cheers. I fired up one already, myself. I finished the two pies and the green beans and mushrooms, and the braised leeks and the cranberry sauce and I thought "why the hell not?"
Monica A - Cheers. I fired up one already, myself. I finished the two pies and the green beans and mushrooms, and the braised leeks and the cranberry sauce and I thought "why the hell not?"
We won, you lost, how ironic that you cannot fathom that we're actually smarter than you, we're nicer, have more friends...oh, wait, irony is dead. Hecate pronounced it, it must be true. How clever. How funny you all are.
We won, you lost, how ironic that you cannot fathom that we're actually smarter than you, we're nicer, have more friends...oh, wait, irony is dead. Hecate pronounced it, it must be true. How clever. How funny you all are.
I used to have a foot fetish but the nails through Christ's feet on the Cross kinda ruined it for me.
cheney_usa
was that an early version of "hot-tongue?"
I used to have a foot fetish but the nails through Christ's feet on the Cross kinda ruined it for me.
cheney_usa
was that an early version of "hot-tongue?"
But the death of Irony [in connection with the Bush administration rightfully protesting the electoral fraud in Ukraine]
Irony? Implying that the 2004 election was fraudulent? Cite. Warning: citation of whacko, ratings-whoring pundits like Keith Olberman will be mocked. Only Real. Data. Please.
But the death of Irony [in connection with the Bush administration rightfully protesting the electoral fraud in Ukraine]
Irony? Implying that the 2004 election was fraudulent? Cite. Warning: citation of whacko, ratings-whoring pundits like Keith Olberman will be mocked. Only Real. Data. Please.
Ironicnot, this is America.
We all lost, you fucking moron.
Ironicnot, this is America.
We all lost, you fucking moron.
Konopelli - I so agree with you. There really are areas that should be strictly not part of the market place at all. Penology is definitely one of those. Private prisons really suck as an idea. (but made a great Monty Python sketch. I remember they had them in closets and stashed all over a house) Elections as well.
Konopelli - I so agree with you. There really are areas that should be strictly not part of the market place at all. Penology is definitely one of those. Private prisons really suck as an idea. (but made a great Monty Python sketch. I remember they had them in closets and stashed all over a house) Elections as well.
Tena sez"
I thought "why the hell not?"
This is the answer to a great many things.
.
Tena sez"
I thought "why the hell not?"
This is the answer to a great many things.
.
I love it when people who are essentially gate-crashing here claim they are nicer than I am.
You nitwit, I've never trolled a hostile board in my life. And I'm not as nice as you are?
I love it when people who are essentially gate-crashing here claim they are nicer than I am.
You nitwit, I've never trolled a hostile board in my life. And I'm not as nice as you are?
Irony dead of a ferrous overdose.
There used to be a word for events like that.
Irony dead of a ferrous overdose.
There used to be a word for events like that.
Oh, it's one of the same ol' trollz, playing the victim.
Nofax.
Oh, it's one of the same ol' trollz, playing the victim.
Nofax.
So of course everybody picked up on how this is really about globalization (one candidate being all for "market reforms," "flexibility," etc).
So of course everybody picked up on how this is really about globalization (one candidate being all for "market reforms," "flexibility," etc).
Dang, does this mean The Onion is going to fold?
Dang, does this mean The Onion is going to fold?
Good little satire piece at soj's excellent blog, Flogging the Simian, which has extensive coverage of the events in Ukraine.
A brief snippet:
It took a while but I finally managed to translate this statement by Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on the American presidential elections
(snip)
During the election campaign, the American authorities at the highest level repeatedly sent a message about the importance of free and fair elections. We deeply regret that they did not take the opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to democracy and to be a model for the region and the world. It is still not too late for American authorities to find a solution that respects the will of the American people.
-- Stu
Good little satire piece at soj's excellent blog, Flogging the Simian, which has extensive coverage of the events in Ukraine.
A brief snippet:
It took a while but I finally managed to translate this statement by Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on the American presidential elections
(snip)
During the election campaign, the American authorities at the highest level repeatedly sent a message about the importance of free and fair elections. We deeply regret that they did not take the opportunity to demonstrate their commitment to democracy and to be a model for the region and the world. It is still not too late for American authorities to find a solution that respects the will of the American people.
-- Stu
cm, I think instead open-source and for-profit are mutually exclusive, frankly.
Open-source is a licensing model.
Open-source and for-profit are not mutually exclusive -- as Sun Microsystems and others who produce (in part) and support open-source systems as part of a for-profit business will tell you.
Besides, i gotta tell you, i have large problems with folks making profits off the vote/franchise and off penology...there are just not enough disincentives to prevent abuse...take out the profit and you take out the incentive for abuse...
I agree, but from where I sit making a profit from developing a voting hardware/software system is like making a profit from building a prison -- perfectly legitimate.
Its when private corprations are running an election or operating a prison that there becomes a problem, and the biggest problems, in either case, where the private status is used to shield them from revealing what a government agency fulfilling the same role would have to reveal to the public.
cm, I think instead open-source and for-profit are mutually exclusive, frankly.
Open-source is a licensing model.
Open-source and for-profit are not mutually exclusive -- as Sun Microsystems and others who produce (in part) and support open-source systems as part of a for-profit business will tell you.
Besides, i gotta tell you, i have large problems with folks making profits off the vote/franchise and off penology...there are just not enough disincentives to prevent abuse...take out the profit and you take out the incentive for abuse...
I agree, but from where I sit making a profit from developing a voting hardware/software system is like making a profit from building a prison -- perfectly legitimate.
Its when private corprations are running an election or operating a prison that there becomes a problem, and the biggest problems, in either case, where the private status is used to shield them from revealing what a government agency fulfilling the same role would have to reveal to the public.
Dang, does this mean The Onion is going to fold?
No, the Onion's tenure is not in jeopardy.
50-plus million Americans will keep them in business.
Dang, does this mean The Onion is going to fold?
No, the Onion's tenure is not in jeopardy.
50-plus million Americans will keep them in business.
Paul -
Thank you for the reminder for us to thank Kent Conrad. [To those of you who, like Mr. Kate and I, will be writing to him, be aware that his office prefers email or fax -- fax # is 202-224-7776 -- because of "security measures" there is a delay in snail mail.]
Here's the link again, to make it easy for y'all:
http://conrad.senate.gov/contact.html
We will be phrasing our letter to him (on behalf of the TRUE majority, thanks, Paul) in the context of Thanksgiving -- thanking him for being a patriot.
Tena:
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful to you and to all others here who continue to fight the good fight in the face of incredible obstacles. In other words, I thank everyone who is a real patriot. Genuine patriots who communicate with each other create community, real-time and virtual, to buck up for the dark days ahead.
I would be much, much worse off if it weren't for you all.
Thank you.
Paul -
Thank you for the reminder for us to thank Kent Conrad. [To those of you who, like Mr. Kate and I, will be writing to him, be aware that his office prefers email or fax -- fax # is 202-224-7776 -- because of "security measures" there is a delay in snail mail.]
Here's the link again, to make it easy for y'all:
http://conrad.senate.gov/contact.html
We will be phrasing our letter to him (on behalf of the TRUE majority, thanks, Paul) in the context of Thanksgiving -- thanking him for being a patriot.
Tena:
This Thanksgiving I'm thankful to you and to all others here who continue to fight the good fight in the face of incredible obstacles. In other words, I thank everyone who is a real patriot. Genuine patriots who communicate with each other create community, real-time and virtual, to buck up for the dark days ahead.
I would be much, much worse off if it weren't for you all.
Thank you.
Pie,
That was meant to be an ironic comment. Obviously wildly successful. Time to go make pumpkin pies.
Pie,
That was meant to be an ironic comment. Obviously wildly successful. Time to go make pumpkin pies.
"It gets easier all the time to believe Bush really is the fucking anti-Christ." --Tena
No, no, that's that same fake Christianity biting you on the butt.
Did you read the thing I posted on Diwali? A recap is in order:
Hey, dude, where's my Diwali?
Diwali is a joyful festival to celebrate the ancient defeat of the demon Nakara, by a woman (well, okay, a demigoddess) named Sathyabhama.
Nakara(sura) was an evil Asura, a type of demon that preys upon people, burns their crops, kills their children. Sound like anyone you know?
In the Ramayana story, Sathyabhama kills Nakara with an arrow that ends the demon's life instantly.
In our democracy, our votes are our arrows, and this year OURS HIT THE TARGET.
Exit polls showed John Kerry won by a landslide of votes, both solid-Dem and fed-up R.
But then something happened.
There's a problem. Our demon should be dead, but he is a very crafty demon, and our arrows aren't as sharp as the ones Sathyabhama used.
This modern demon uses the hocus-pocus of no-record electronic vote collecting, a recent bad faith investment by our State SecStates and County Registrars.
These purchases were not in the public interest -- they are in the interest of the demon instead.
The corporate media also helped the demon, hurriedly declaring the election over, long before that is actually the case.
FIGHT THE demon-serving MEDIA and demand our votes by counted.
The election is not over, it is very much still going on until the second week in December, so letters to the newspapers, emails, calls to representatives,
and specific support for the ongoing efforts in Ohio and Florida
are fundamental arrows that YOU can still fire to defeat this nasty demon.
--
NOT the antichrist. Just a run-of-the-mill Asura, with a lot of evil demon wannabes running back and forth giving him ill-gotten gifts.
--
"It gets easier all the time to believe Bush really is the fucking anti-Christ." --Tena
No, no, that's that same fake Christianity biting you on the butt.
Did you read the thing I posted on Diwali? A recap is in order:
Hey, dude, where's my Diwali?
Diwali is a joyful festival to celebrate the ancient defeat of the demon Nakara, by a woman (well, okay, a demigoddess) named Sathyabhama.
Nakara(sura) was an evil Asura, a type of demon that preys upon people, burns their crops, kills their children. Sound like anyone you know?
In the Ramayana story, Sathyabhama kills Nakara with an arrow that ends the demon's life instantly.
In our democracy, our votes are our arrows, and this year OURS HIT THE TARGET.
Exit polls showed John Kerry won by a landslide of votes, both solid-Dem and fed-up R.
But then something happened.
There's a problem. Our demon should be dead, but he is a very crafty demon, and our arrows aren't as sharp as the ones Sathyabhama used.
This modern demon uses the hocus-pocus of no-record electronic vote collecting, a recent bad faith investment by our State SecStates and County Registrars.
These purchases were not in the public interest -- they are in the interest of the demon instead.
The corporate media also helped the demon, hurriedly declaring the election over, long before that is actually the case.
FIGHT THE demon-serving MEDIA and demand our votes by counted.
The election is not over, it is very much still going on until the second week in December, so letters to the newspapers, emails, calls to representatives,
and specific support for the ongoing efforts in Ohio and Florida
are fundamental arrows that YOU can still fire to defeat this nasty demon.
--
NOT the antichrist. Just a run-of-the-mill Asura, with a lot of evil demon wannabes running back and forth giving him ill-gotten gifts.
--
Irony will truly be alive when they strong arm them into giving them the Nobel Peace Prize, just like they got it for Henry Kissinger.
Powell, somewhere there are people who have integrity. Each and every one of them think you are a lying, crawling tool of the most corrupt government the United States has had. The praise comes only from the corrupt, foetid establishment and their presstitutes. You are trash, rich trash now, but trash still.
Irony will truly be alive when they strong arm them into giving them the Nobel Peace Prize, just like they got it for Henry Kissinger.
Powell, somewhere there are people who have integrity. Each and every one of them think you are a lying, crawling tool of the most corrupt government the United States has had. The praise comes only from the corrupt, foetid establishment and their presstitutes. You are trash, rich trash now, but trash still.
Don't you peasants understand? Colin Powell doesn't do irony.
He has it sent out.
Don't you peasants understand? Colin Powell doesn't do irony.
He has it sent out.
Paul in LA - you say potato, I say potahto.
When I say Bush is the anti-Christ, I'm not making an end-game statement. I'm choosing a mythology to plug him into and for me that is the one that works.
One needn't be relentlessly literal.
Paul in LA - you say potato, I say potahto.
When I say Bush is the anti-Christ, I'm not making an end-game statement. I'm choosing a mythology to plug him into and for me that is the one that works.
One needn't be relentlessly literal.
EPT - that was quite possibly the definitive Colin Powell smackdown.
EPT - that was quite possibly the definitive Colin Powell smackdown.
Tena, I'm blushing.
Tena, I'm blushing.
Is it time for Fake Turkee?
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Is it time for Fake Turkee?
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That was meant to be an ironic comment. Obviously wildly successful. Time to go make pumpkin pies.
Ya nerd. I wasn't disagreeing with you!
Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.
That was meant to be an ironic comment. Obviously wildly successful. Time to go make pumpkin pies.
Ya nerd. I wasn't disagreeing with you!
Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.
US? Rejects Election Results....No, Powell does and I bet by Monday Bush will put Powell in his place issuing a statement "I can work with the newly elected government of Ukraine".
US? Rejects Election Results....No, Powell does and I bet by Monday Bush will put Powell in his place issuing a statement "I can work with the newly elected government of Ukraine".
Anyone recall Powell's responses to the short-lived Venezuela coup in 2002 and the more recent Haiti coup?
The business in Venezuela was pretty clearly an attempted plutocratic takeover; Pedro Carmona suspended the courts and legislature, said that elections "might" take place in a year, and basically became far more of a strongman than Chavez (for all his faults) has been.
Although the initial unrest in Haiti appeared to be a grassroots uprising, the return of military leaders who initially overthrew the priest back in 1991 set off alarm bells. Considering the aftermath, I can't take seriously any claims that Aristide was toppled in a popular uprising, and I'm already wondering who is benefitting from his ouster.
Anyone recall Powell's responses to the short-lived Venezuela coup in 2002 and the more recent Haiti coup?
The business in Venezuela was pretty clearly an attempted plutocratic takeover; Pedro Carmona suspended the courts and legislature, said that elections "might" take place in a year, and basically became far more of a strongman than Chavez (for all his faults) has been.
Although the initial unrest in Haiti appeared to be a grassroots uprising, the return of military leaders who initially overthrew the priest back in 1991 set off alarm bells. Considering the aftermath, I can't take seriously any claims that Aristide was toppled in a popular uprising, and I'm already wondering who is benefitting from his ouster.
more kudos for Sen. Conrad. He was one of the 23 senators who voted against the Iraq war resolution.
more kudos for Sen. Conrad. He was one of the 23 senators who voted against the Iraq war resolution.
It's so sad that when the USA says something like this, it's greeted worldwide as something... funny.
America has become a laughing-stock.
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It's so sad that when the USA says something like this, it's greeted worldwide as something... funny.
America has become a laughing-stock.
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"Dang, does this mean The Onion is going to fold?"
-MO
MO, good point - and sad. That is exactly why irony is dead. How can we appreciate satire when we can't tell the satire apart from the news?
"Dang, does this mean The Onion is going to fold?"
-MO
MO, good point - and sad. That is exactly why irony is dead. How can we appreciate satire when we can't tell the satire apart from the news?
EPT - that was quite possibly the definitive Colin Powell smackdown.
there's more smackdown where that came from -- relentless attempt at blogwhoring:
Nailed Up and Bleeding: And so the megalomaniac cycle rages on. Both the politician and sacrificial lamb that was Colin Powell is judged to live on like a strung-out junkie upon His maker's cross, addicted to the foul, mutant energy of his own dalliance with true power. It was a cheap run with the down and dirty, on the darkest side of shame
EPT - that was quite possibly the definitive Colin Powell smackdown.
there's more smackdown where that came from -- relentless attempt at blogwhoring:
Nailed Up and Bleeding: And so the megalomaniac cycle rages on. Both the politician and sacrificial lamb that was Colin Powell is judged to live on like a strung-out junkie upon His maker's cross, addicted to the foul, mutant energy of his own dalliance with true power. It was a cheap run with the down and dirty, on the darkest side of shame
Alas, poor Irony. I knew him well.
Alas, poor Irony. I knew him well.
The pot calling the kettle black. What a fucking joke.
So, would you folks be okay with it if we arrest Shrubya for war crimes when he comes up here for his visit? I know it won't happen, but it would just be the best thing ever. I'd do cartwheels in the street.
The pot calling the kettle black. What a fucking joke.
So, would you folks be okay with it if we arrest Shrubya for war crimes when he comes up here for his visit? I know it won't happen, but it would just be the best thing ever. I'd do cartwheels in the street.
"I can't take seriously any claims that Aristide was toppled in a popular uprising, and I'm already wondering who is benefitting from his ouster.
Mark Bialkowski"
Have a look on the map and notice that Haiti is about five miles from Guantanamo Bay.
The fact that Aristide was 'escorted' to Africa by 19 Blackwater (aka Bush's Gang) mercs tells you all there is to know.
'Grassroots' in Haiti ALL support Aristide. It's the corporations and the wannabe-white's who support the liquidation of Haitian democracy.
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"I can't take seriously any claims that Aristide was toppled in a popular uprising, and I'm already wondering who is benefitting from his ouster.
Mark Bialkowski"
Have a look on the map and notice that Haiti is about five miles from Guantanamo Bay.
The fact that Aristide was 'escorted' to Africa by 19 Blackwater (aka Bush's Gang) mercs tells you all there is to know.
'Grassroots' in Haiti ALL support Aristide. It's the corporations and the wannabe-white's who support the liquidation of Haitian democracy.
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So, would you folks be okay with it if we arrest Shrubya for war crimes when he comes up here for his visit?
More than okay.
So, would you folks be okay with it if we arrest Shrubya for war crimes when he comes up here for his visit?
More than okay.
"One needn't be relentlessly literal." --Tena
Talking of the antichrist is counterproductive. It gives perverse power to a guy who has a narrow little windpipe just like you and me.
Bush is a slice of apple away from the crashcart, just like anyone.
I am not just relentlessly literal. I am also relentlessly irritating, relentlessly loud, and relentlessly relentless.
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"One needn't be relentlessly literal." --Tena
Talking of the antichrist is counterproductive. It gives perverse power to a guy who has a narrow little windpipe just like you and me.
Bush is a slice of apple away from the crashcart, just like anyone.
I am not just relentlessly literal. I am also relentlessly irritating, relentlessly loud, and relentlessly relentless.
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"So, would you folks be okay with it if we arrest Shrubya for war crimes when he comes up here for his visit?
More than okay.
pie "
Arrest him for having his zipper down in public.
And then make it a capital crime just this once.
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"So, would you folks be okay with it if we arrest Shrubya for war crimes when he comes up here for his visit?
More than okay.
pie "
Arrest him for having his zipper down in public.
And then make it a capital crime just this once.
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Several people have made the point that they see merit in the US Government's position. Some have described it as "principled".
A couple of things here. It is not "principled", it is convenient. The guy who "won" is pro-Moscow, the guy who "lost" is pro-America. Does anyone seriously think Bush would be acting like this if it was not in his short-term interest to do so? Ever heard of Venezuela (or any other south-american country for that matter)?
Second, the question is not about whether it is the right thing to do, but whether Bush should be held accountable for the fact that when Powell said what he said, the entire world pissed itelf laughing. Used to be when America talked about democracy it meant something. Now, because of his "Florida elections" and his erectile appetite for "bayonet-charges of freedom" etc, your once-great country is an international laughing-stock.
Several people have made the point that they see merit in the US Government's position. Some have described it as "principled".
A couple of things here. It is not "principled", it is convenient. The guy who "won" is pro-Moscow, the guy who "lost" is pro-America. Does anyone seriously think Bush would be acting like this if it was not in his short-term interest to do so? Ever heard of Venezuela (or any other south-american country for that matter)?
Second, the question is not about whether it is the right thing to do, but whether Bush should be held accountable for the fact that when Powell said what he said, the entire world pissed itelf laughing. Used to be when America talked about democracy it meant something. Now, because of his "Florida elections" and his erectile appetite for "bayonet-charges of freedom" etc, your once-great country is an international laughing-stock.
Paul: Agreed. I've been following the Haiti mess mostly via Infoshop. Crackdowns on protests in pro-Aristide suburbs, mouthpieces for the installed regime blaming him for the unrest, Andy Apaid (IIRC, a rather melanin-deprived sweatshop owner born in the Land of the Free) having great influence, a "council of elders" convened to select the upcoming regimes (want to get any more patronizing?).
And the vaunted Canadian government approves of this.
Democracy, like 911, is a joke.
Paul: Agreed. I've been following the Haiti mess mostly via Infoshop. Crackdowns on protests in pro-Aristide suburbs, mouthpieces for the installed regime blaming him for the unrest, Andy Apaid (IIRC, a rather melanin-deprived sweatshop owner born in the Land of the Free) having great influence, a "council of elders" convened to select the upcoming regimes (want to get any more patronizing?).
And the vaunted Canadian government approves of this.
Democracy, like 911, is a joke.
As Stalin (Karl Rove) once said: "it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."
And we're determined to count and recount until the outcome is acceptable. Unless it's in Ohio.
As Stalin (Karl Rove) once said: "it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."
And we're determined to count and recount until the outcome is acceptable. Unless it's in Ohio.
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