I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Wow. My big chance, but I'm not gonna say it...
Wow. My big chance, but I'm not gonna say it...
Yeah, you're back!
Yeah, you're back!
I know this is morning. . . but is it really morning morning?
I know this is morning. . . but is it really morning morning?
Good God man. We're sleeping over here.
Good God man. We're sleeping over here.
Do you really sleep, JC?
Do you really sleep, JC?
Keep it down over there. The trolls ae sleeping.
Keep it down over there. The trolls ae sleeping.
I would if blogger would let me post.
I would if blogger would let me post.
Awww. . . cute little sleepy baby trolls. . .
Awww. . . cute little sleepy baby trolls. . .
This is sort of like that odd zone in a coffee shop when the bar crowd has shuffled out and the early risers have yet to come in. Even sound seems muted so the few clinks of a coffee cup or scrapping of a fork are distant. No one talks and the light is dim.
This is sort of like that odd zone in a coffee shop when the bar crowd has shuffled out and the early risers have yet to come in. Even sound seems muted so the few clinks of a coffee cup or scrapping of a fork are distant. No one talks and the light is dim.
Humm. . . poetic. . .
Humm. . . poetic. . .
Hilo de la maņana?
Hilo de la maņana?
So strange. I am used to posting after everyone has gone to sleep.
Soooo, anyhow. Am re-reading "Under the Banner of Heaven" and picking up more this time round about how the very existance of the fundie Mormon faith is completely reliant on the total subjugation of women.
Leap now to the fundie xtians and what do you find. This is exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Do away with choice and reliable birth control and what do you have. Women totally dependant on their partner's good will to use a condom?
Carry this over to the real world. Who has been the biggest recipient of affirmative action. Middle class white women, who are no longer slaves to their monthly cycle and thus able to compete with men on a more or less equal footing. (I know, there are still many issues about equality out there, but we have achieved more than in any other time.) What happens when we lose that control?
Still developing, cause after all, I've just had a couple sips of coffee.
So strange. I am used to posting after everyone has gone to sleep.
Soooo, anyhow. Am re-reading "Under the Banner of Heaven" and picking up more this time round about how the very existance of the fundie Mormon faith is completely reliant on the total subjugation of women.
Leap now to the fundie xtians and what do you find. This is exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Do away with choice and reliable birth control and what do you have. Women totally dependant on their partner's good will to use a condom?
Carry this over to the real world. Who has been the biggest recipient of affirmative action. Middle class white women, who are no longer slaves to their monthly cycle and thus able to compete with men on a more or less equal footing. (I know, there are still many issues about equality out there, but we have achieved more than in any other time.) What happens when we lose that control?
Still developing, cause after all, I've just had a couple sips of coffee.
QuiltLady, read "One Nation Under Gods" best book about Mormons yet. Also "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brody.
We used to live in Sandy Utah and read these books to help us with understand our neighbors. So glad we left that planet.
QuiltLady, read "One Nation Under Gods" best book about Mormons yet. Also "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brody.
We used to live in Sandy Utah and read these books to help us with understand our neighbors. So glad we left that planet.
QuiltLady-
I'm a big Krakauer fan. Did you read Into the Wild?
Anyway, yeah, creepy Mormon subculture. Not at all like Harry Reid.
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QuiltLady-
I'm a big Krakauer fan. Did you read Into the Wild?
Anyway, yeah, creepy Mormon subculture. Not at all like Harry Reid.
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si - no but I will when I get through with this, if I have the stomach. I just find it all so hard to believe that we are still having these arguments, but after 11/2 we better figure out how to change things. And understanding is the first step.
si - no but I will when I get through with this, if I have the stomach. I just find it all so hard to believe that we are still having these arguments, but after 11/2 we better figure out how to change things. And understanding is the first step.
QuiltLady sez:
no but I will when I get through with this, if I have the stomach.
LOL.
Trust me, Into the Wild is non-political (though maybe depressing).
It's about a young fella who goes to Alaska to live off the land and dies (who knew potato seeds were poisonous?). But it's a terrific character study and Krakauer is a terrific writer.
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QuiltLady sez:
no but I will when I get through with this, if I have the stomach.
LOL.
Trust me, Into the Wild is non-political (though maybe depressing).
It's about a young fella who goes to Alaska to live off the land and dies (who knew potato seeds were poisonous?). But it's a terrific character study and Krakauer is a terrific writer.
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90 hour work weeks, no overtime right here in the USA. Computer programers need a union!
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also try taking the test here and see where you land on the political compass. political compass
I was -5,4 libertarian, -5.2 left near Ghandi
90 hour work weeks, no overtime right here in the USA. Computer programers need a union!
Electronic Arts
also try taking the test here and see where you land on the political compass. political compass
I was -5,4 libertarian, -5.2 left near Ghandi
QuiltLady - those of us out here in Phoenix recommend Deborah Laake's
"Secret Ceremonies: A Mormon Woman's Intimate Diary of Marriage and Beyond".
Laake, who died a few years ago, was a journalist with the Phoenix New Times newspaper and this book about her life as a 'modern Mormon' startled a whole lot of folks who figured it was just another religion.
QuiltLady - those of us out here in Phoenix recommend Deborah Laake's
"Secret Ceremonies: A Mormon Woman's Intimate Diary of Marriage and Beyond".
Laake, who died a few years ago, was a journalist with the Phoenix New Times newspaper and this book about her life as a 'modern Mormon' startled a whole lot of folks who figured it was just another religion.
spork_incident - -Everybody- knows potato seeds (and leaves)are toxic for crying out loud.
spork_incident - -Everybody- knows potato seeds (and leaves)are toxic for crying out loud.
I enjoyed Into the Wild also.
I haven't read Under the Banner of Heaven -- Krakauer was on our local NPR affiliate talking about his book around the time it came out and it was, well, totally depressing. I suspect this is why I haven't yet dared The Handmaid's Tale -- too close, too scary. I can read a lot of stuff like it, but for some reason I've steered clear of those books.
Anyone here read Into the Forest? I read it several years ago and thought it was the closest version of possible events I'd run across. It's about two sisters and what happens to them as civilization slowly crumbles around them.
OK, gotta go feed chickens...
I enjoyed Into the Wild also.
I haven't read Under the Banner of Heaven -- Krakauer was on our local NPR affiliate talking about his book around the time it came out and it was, well, totally depressing. I suspect this is why I haven't yet dared The Handmaid's Tale -- too close, too scary. I can read a lot of stuff like it, but for some reason I've steered clear of those books.
Anyone here read Into the Forest? I read it several years ago and thought it was the closest version of possible events I'd run across. It's about two sisters and what happens to them as civilization slowly crumbles around them.
OK, gotta go feed chickens...
GWPDA sez:
spork_incident - -Everybody- knows potato seeds (and leaves)are toxic for crying out loud.
Well I didn't.
{Pout}
(I'm about to get HaloScanned.)
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GWPDA sez:
spork_incident - -Everybody- knows potato seeds (and leaves)are toxic for crying out loud.
Well I didn't.
{Pout}
(I'm about to get HaloScanned.)
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(I'm about to get HaloScanned.)
Told ya.
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(I'm about to get HaloScanned.)
Told ya.
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spork - Well, you probably didn't know not to wear white after Labor Day either.....
spork - Well, you probably didn't know not to wear white after Labor Day either.....
Eschatonians: I am really having trouble trying to think of anything good to think about the present state of our country. As with most families, we had the relatives from out of town in for the weekend. My nephew, a denizen of Chicago, believes that when the economy starts truly tanking and Social Security is out of money and there is no more Medicare, people will rebel and throw the current adminstration and their nefarious policies out. After much thought, I disagree.
The truth is that no matter what "they" do, the "media" will simply gloss over the unpleasant facts and deal, instead, with Pollyannaish optimism about these same failures. If there is a lesson I seemed to have learned from this election, it is this: those who lie with impugnity can control this country. It is not so bad that the Republicans lie: they have nearly always done that; it is the fact that no one (in a position of being a mass medium) will call them on their lies.
With the Fourth Estate being incapable of serving their function, the country is destined for Hell. (But it will be reported in such a way that we will never know it.)
Eschatonians: I am really having trouble trying to think of anything good to think about the present state of our country. As with most families, we had the relatives from out of town in for the weekend. My nephew, a denizen of Chicago, believes that when the economy starts truly tanking and Social Security is out of money and there is no more Medicare, people will rebel and throw the current adminstration and their nefarious policies out. After much thought, I disagree.
The truth is that no matter what "they" do, the "media" will simply gloss over the unpleasant facts and deal, instead, with Pollyannaish optimism about these same failures. If there is a lesson I seemed to have learned from this election, it is this: those who lie with impugnity can control this country. It is not so bad that the Republicans lie: they have nearly always done that; it is the fact that no one (in a position of being a mass medium) will call them on their lies.
With the Fourth Estate being incapable of serving their function, the country is destined for Hell. (But it will be reported in such a way that we will never know it.)
Sadly I agree with Dances with Donkeys. Any long term plan the Dems are working on needs to start with re-creating a real media presence, and I'm not talking about, "And today we have for our guests three conservatives and a liberal."
Sadly I agree with Dances with Donkeys. Any long term plan the Dems are working on needs to start with re-creating a real media presence, and I'm not talking about, "And today we have for our guests three conservatives and a liberal."
Bluto- I landed right on Ghandi. No wonder I can't stand the neo-cons.
Bluto- I landed right on Ghandi. No wonder I can't stand the neo-cons.
Try this and start off your morning right:
27 November 2004
The Star
Why `Weenie' may start with a capital Dubya
SLINGER
The President of The World is not President of The World for Life, at least not yet. But is he a weenie?
What evidence is there of Dubya's weenieness, apart from him chickening out when it came to going up against the filthy Commies in the skies over the Rio Grande during the unpleasantness in Vietnam?
He was afraid to speak to real, live U.S. voters except in situations where everybody had been required to sign a loyalty oath.
He was afraid to speak to the British Parliament.
The thought of being anywhere near Parliament in Ottawa has scared him speechless.
Every American who heckled him during the election campaign got arrested. But in satellite nations like the United Kingdom, not to mention rogue countries like Canada, it's out of his hands. Anybody could holler anything when he's here next week and get off scot free. This makes him very, very anxious.
In Santiago he did wade into a mob of Chilean security goons to rescue his bodyguard, but while this made him look brave, it was provoked by his fear of not having somebody at his side to protect him against evildoers. At times like that, said his press secretary, he can be "a hands-on kind of guy."
According to David Brooks, the neocon columnist, "he's a towel-snapping kind of guy" too. And if there's one thing we know about guys who are towel-snapping guys, it's that the thing they fear most is having mice nibble on their machismo.....
Try this and start off your morning right:
27 November 2004
The Star
Why `Weenie' may start with a capital Dubya
SLINGER
The President of The World is not President of The World for Life, at least not yet. But is he a weenie?
What evidence is there of Dubya's weenieness, apart from him chickening out when it came to going up against the filthy Commies in the skies over the Rio Grande during the unpleasantness in Vietnam?
He was afraid to speak to real, live U.S. voters except in situations where everybody had been required to sign a loyalty oath.
He was afraid to speak to the British Parliament.
The thought of being anywhere near Parliament in Ottawa has scared him speechless.
Every American who heckled him during the election campaign got arrested. But in satellite nations like the United Kingdom, not to mention rogue countries like Canada, it's out of his hands. Anybody could holler anything when he's here next week and get off scot free. This makes him very, very anxious.
In Santiago he did wade into a mob of Chilean security goons to rescue his bodyguard, but while this made him look brave, it was provoked by his fear of not having somebody at his side to protect him against evildoers. At times like that, said his press secretary, he can be "a hands-on kind of guy."
According to David Brooks, the neocon columnist, "he's a towel-snapping kind of guy" too. And if there's one thing we know about guys who are towel-snapping guys, it's that the thing they fear most is having mice nibble on their machismo.....
Media Whores are enabling the downfall of our once great country. Perhaps the Ukraine is the worlds next great REAL democracy, as the press there said it would no longer LIE for the admin.
I no longer read papers or watch tv news, except to see what bs they are spewing to the sheeple.
Media Whores are enabling the downfall of our once great country. Perhaps the Ukraine is the worlds next great REAL democracy, as the press there said it would no longer LIE for the admin.
I no longer read papers or watch tv news, except to see what bs they are spewing to the sheeple.
Yesterday, I was watching a C-Span repeat of an interesting panel on the Kennedy assassination (Talbot of Salon spoke).
Cyril Wecht(sp),the forensic specialist, spoke up from the audience during the Q&A, and asked why is it that, even in the light of forensic, medical, scientific investigative proof that Oswald did not work alone, the liberal Democrats do not demand the truth.
And it got me to thinking - the Democrats are always fearful of being regarded as conspiracy nuts - while the Repugs - even when they have nothing, nada, zero, zilch (travel gate, whitewater, etc,) they attack and intiate big investigation over it.
Same thing with the current election - Dems don't want to call it a conspiracy or fraud - (the Repugs might make fun of us) - in fact we don't even push for an 'irregularity' investigation - in spite of the fact that the disparity between the exit polls and the vote count is statistically impossible.
We don't even call for disclosure of the absolutely indefensible withholding of the full exit-poll data (by Edison Media Research, Mitofsky International, the Associated press, and the various networks.
We Dems are smart people - we are nearly always on the side of the angels - we are the educated and the realists - we care and we are decent - BUT we are wusses.
Yesterday, I was watching a C-Span repeat of an interesting panel on the Kennedy assassination (Talbot of Salon spoke).
Cyril Wecht(sp),the forensic specialist, spoke up from the audience during the Q&A, and asked why is it that, even in the light of forensic, medical, scientific investigative proof that Oswald did not work alone, the liberal Democrats do not demand the truth.
And it got me to thinking - the Democrats are always fearful of being regarded as conspiracy nuts - while the Repugs - even when they have nothing, nada, zero, zilch (travel gate, whitewater, etc,) they attack and intiate big investigation over it.
Same thing with the current election - Dems don't want to call it a conspiracy or fraud - (the Repugs might make fun of us) - in fact we don't even push for an 'irregularity' investigation - in spite of the fact that the disparity between the exit polls and the vote count is statistically impossible.
We don't even call for disclosure of the absolutely indefensible withholding of the full exit-poll data (by Edison Media Research, Mitofsky International, the Associated press, and the various networks.
We Dems are smart people - we are nearly always on the side of the angels - we are the educated and the realists - we care and we are decent - BUT we are wusses.
I took the test for the second time. I took it two months ago and the results are the same......right in line with the Dalai Lama. Left/right -4.00, Social liberatian -5.95.
I live in Hamilton county in Ohio which neighbors Warren county ( the ohio county which walled off it's vote count to the media). The whole affair was curious due to the fact that Warren county officials looked as if they were lying about being contacted by the FBI and Homeland security.
It just didn't make sense to me. Why would county officials tell such a bold face lie? And indeed the FBI and Homeland security officials later said that they had no such conservations with Warren county officials. County officials were further caught lying as to when they actually decided to lock down the adminstration building.
In light of the article published Nov. 25 http://www.onlinejournal.com/
Spe...2504madsen.html It seems that Warren's officials were telling the truth all along. I find that more believable. I just can't imagine a county which is already heavily republician conspiring amongst themselves to rig the county vote to help inflate the state totals.
The situtation in Warren county lends creedence to Wayne Madsen's story. The noose has been wrapped and is looking for a neck to clinch upon. Madsen's story needs to be followed. Who are these "operatives" and to whom are they talking? How much rigging can you buy for $29 million?
I haven't heard Ken Lay's mane lately, perhaps he's avaiable for another which hunt. This time maybe he can discover something of substance.
Cincinnati Enquirer references:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pb.../411160355/
1056
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pb.../411160355/
1056
I took the test for the second time. I took it two months ago and the results are the same......right in line with the Dalai Lama. Left/right -4.00, Social liberatian -5.95.
I live in Hamilton county in Ohio which neighbors Warren county ( the ohio county which walled off it's vote count to the media). The whole affair was curious due to the fact that Warren county officials looked as if they were lying about being contacted by the FBI and Homeland security.
It just didn't make sense to me. Why would county officials tell such a bold face lie? And indeed the FBI and Homeland security officials later said that they had no such conservations with Warren county officials. County officials were further caught lying as to when they actually decided to lock down the adminstration building.
In light of the article published Nov. 25 http://www.onlinejournal.com/
Spe...2504madsen.html It seems that Warren's officials were telling the truth all along. I find that more believable. I just can't imagine a county which is already heavily republician conspiring amongst themselves to rig the county vote to help inflate the state totals.
The situtation in Warren county lends creedence to Wayne Madsen's story. The noose has been wrapped and is looking for a neck to clinch upon. Madsen's story needs to be followed. Who are these "operatives" and to whom are they talking? How much rigging can you buy for $29 million?
I haven't heard Ken Lay's mane lately, perhaps he's avaiable for another which hunt. This time maybe he can discover something of substance.
Cincinnati Enquirer references:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pb.../411160355/
1056
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pb.../411160355/
1056
Our forebearers gave us the tools and the inspiration to take on any challenge to the principles we hold aloft, and now is the time for us to use those tools and their inspiration to win in this time of darkness.
KorkSkrew
what a load of steaming crap on the lawn. This is the worst post I have ever read. Our foreberers did not intend us to be sniviling wimps like the Democrats offer, they expected us to kick the crap out of anyone that messes with us.
I hope you go to Canada because your comments reek of weakness.
Our forebearers gave us the tools and the inspiration to take on any challenge to the principles we hold aloft, and now is the time for us to use those tools and their inspiration to win in this time of darkness.
KorkSkrew
what a load of steaming crap on the lawn. This is the worst post I have ever read. Our foreberers did not intend us to be sniviling wimps like the Democrats offer, they expected us to kick the crap out of anyone that messes with us.
I hope you go to Canada because your comments reek of weakness.
Beware of spoiled shellfish in shitty paella.
Beware of spoiled shellfish in shitty paella.
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