I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
It's my understanding that congress can only strip federal courts of jurisdiction that congress itself has conferred (Art. III, Sec. 2, "Exceptions" clause). Of course, that interpretation of the exceptions clause was by a federal court itself (in Ex Parte McCardle, 1869). The ultimate irony: were congress to strip the court of jurisdiction, it would be the federal court which decided if the move was constitutional.
It's my understanding that congress can only strip federal courts of jurisdiction that congress itself has conferred (Art. III, Sec. 2, "Exceptions" clause). Of course, that interpretation of the exceptions clause was by a federal court itself (in Ex Parte McCardle, 1869). The ultimate irony: were congress to strip the court of jurisdiction, it would be the federal court which decided if the move was constitutional.
I put nothing past this current administration. They will get away with everything they can, or at least try. The Right eats away at our liberties like a single determined termite - eventually that you house caves in around you even if you never noticed it had a problem. The fact that they will seek to change the filibuster rules is scary enough.
Not This Time George!
I put nothing past this current administration. They will get away with everything they can, or at least try. The Right eats away at our liberties like a single determined termite - eventually that you house caves in around you even if you never noticed it had a problem. The fact that they will seek to change the filibuster rules is scary enough.
Not This Time George!
Maybe he should worry about changing the I-69 designation before his sentencing. (as if)
I think we all had better be on top of this particular incident, since we KNOW if it was anyone of us carrying a loaded weapon in our luggage - the results would be entirely different.
Seems as if this is the second Republican Congressman this has happened to. First was a Rep from Ohio if my memory serves me correctly, and within the last year.
What was the disposition and adjudication in that matter?
Maybe he should worry about changing the I-69 designation before his sentencing. (as if)
I think we all had better be on top of this particular incident, since we KNOW if it was anyone of us carrying a loaded weapon in our luggage - the results would be entirely different.
Seems as if this is the second Republican Congressman this has happened to. First was a Rep from Ohio if my memory serves me correctly, and within the last year.
What was the disposition and adjudication in that matter?
Jimmy sez:
I put nothing past this current administration. They will get away with everything they can, or at least try.
At least the Liberal Media will keep us informed and tell us when to man the barracades!
Oh.
Nevermind.
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Jimmy sez:
I put nothing past this current administration. They will get away with everything they can, or at least try.
At least the Liberal Media will keep us informed and tell us when to man the barracades!
Oh.
Nevermind.
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Well it is the dems that are partly to blame. Why is it that dems never learn that there in hardly a price to play when you stand for what you believe. Look at the 2 repubs that are blocking the intel bill. There was some backlash, but not much. There is a reason why repubs keep on trying to pull the shit that Hostettler is trying ot pull; because they know that dems wont fight hard and will run away from controversy-opting to take the "safe" course. That is what the war vote was about, hte voting for Bush's tax cut was about, and caving anytime that repubs come on strong. Rather than contest the election, and insist that the votes would count, Kerry caved and left it up to the Libertarian/Greens. Repubs would have never done that. And when the repubs get into power, they makes sure they use every leaver, not play fair giving away anything to dems. The repubs see a weak party that they can roll anytime when necessary.
Well it is the dems that are partly to blame. Why is it that dems never learn that there in hardly a price to play when you stand for what you believe. Look at the 2 repubs that are blocking the intel bill. There was some backlash, but not much. There is a reason why repubs keep on trying to pull the shit that Hostettler is trying ot pull; because they know that dems wont fight hard and will run away from controversy-opting to take the "safe" course. That is what the war vote was about, hte voting for Bush's tax cut was about, and caving anytime that repubs come on strong. Rather than contest the election, and insist that the votes would count, Kerry caved and left it up to the Libertarian/Greens. Repubs would have never done that. And when the repubs get into power, they makes sure they use every leaver, not play fair giving away anything to dems. The repubs see a weak party that they can roll anytime when necessary.
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/sto...y.asp?
S=1799771
A little snippet from the article:
Hostettler's spokesperson says the congressman simply forgot. Press secretary Michael Jahr says the congressman had a permit to carry his nine millimeter Glock in his briefcase.
But of course, that's meaningless in an airport. TSA screeners at Louisville International Airport detected the gun and immediately called the FBI who questioned the five-term congressman before he boarded a U.S. Airways flight.
The TSA says Hostettler's gun and briefcase were confiscated and that a citation for a misdemeanor charge was given to Hostettler and filed in Jefferson County district court.
The FBI says, to its knowledge, no federal charges were filed which could have carried up to ten years in prison.
The TSA says the congressman received no special treatment because of his status.
Lauren Stover of TSA says, "TSA makes no exceptions to who the person or individual is that's found with a loaded firearm. We do not discriminate against ranks of folks that carry a loaded weapon and every passenger to us is treated the same; and they're given the same level of respect and the same level of processing if they present themselves with a loaded prohibited weapon at a checkpoint."
I suppose we should make it a point then, that no special exceptions are made in this instance.
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/sto...y.asp?
S=1799771
A little snippet from the article:
Hostettler's spokesperson says the congressman simply forgot. Press secretary Michael Jahr says the congressman had a permit to carry his nine millimeter Glock in his briefcase.
But of course, that's meaningless in an airport. TSA screeners at Louisville International Airport detected the gun and immediately called the FBI who questioned the five-term congressman before he boarded a U.S. Airways flight.
The TSA says Hostettler's gun and briefcase were confiscated and that a citation for a misdemeanor charge was given to Hostettler and filed in Jefferson County district court.
The FBI says, to its knowledge, no federal charges were filed which could have carried up to ten years in prison.
The TSA says the congressman received no special treatment because of his status.
Lauren Stover of TSA says, "TSA makes no exceptions to who the person or individual is that's found with a loaded firearm. We do not discriminate against ranks of folks that carry a loaded weapon and every passenger to us is treated the same; and they're given the same level of respect and the same level of processing if they present themselves with a loaded prohibited weapon at a checkpoint."
I suppose we should make it a point then, that no special exceptions are made in this instance.
Spork,
Well I keep on repeating myself, on how dems need to buy a few media outlets to get thier side of the story out, but I just get ignored. I heard a few weeks back that conservatives are looking at purchasing CNN. When they do, dems have no one to blame but themselves. Dems have the money availabe, but cant get their shit together to do anything but whine. Think about it-2 repubs block a bill that has broad bipartisian support and the support of the american people. Dems won't even try to block unpopular bills. Dems are to busy quaking in thoer boots about the "swing vote". Dems need to learn how to play harball. Destroy and burn the village, make widows and orphans, and then salt the earth. Metaphorically speaking. Next time the dems are in power, use every tool available to marginalize repubs. Show no mercy.
Spork,
Well I keep on repeating myself, on how dems need to buy a few media outlets to get thier side of the story out, but I just get ignored. I heard a few weeks back that conservatives are looking at purchasing CNN. When they do, dems have no one to blame but themselves. Dems have the money availabe, but cant get their shit together to do anything but whine. Think about it-2 repubs block a bill that has broad bipartisian support and the support of the american people. Dems won't even try to block unpopular bills. Dems are to busy quaking in thoer boots about the "swing vote". Dems need to learn how to play harball. Destroy and burn the village, make widows and orphans, and then salt the earth. Metaphorically speaking. Next time the dems are in power, use every tool available to marginalize repubs. Show no mercy.
Barndog,
See if this was a dems, the repubs would use this, one way or another. They would take every opportunity to call this person a potential felon. then they would tie it somehow to the elections. They would say that this potential felon has feloneoulsy tried to manipulate the elections.
Barndog,
See if this was a dems, the repubs would use this, one way or another. They would take every opportunity to call this person a potential felon. then they would tie it somehow to the elections. They would say that this potential felon has feloneoulsy tried to manipulate the elections.
That's a pretty loose argument, Bro.
The trick to holding dirtbags like this accountable is to step to the plate and don't back down. I'm not afraid of a few inside fastballs.
Ya know that little 'Sinclair' slapdown a while back?
That's the same kind of stuff you have to do with these morons. Every time. Accountability at every turn.
Every time. No Mercy.
That's a pretty loose argument, Bro.
The trick to holding dirtbags like this accountable is to step to the plate and don't back down. I'm not afraid of a few inside fastballs.
Ya know that little 'Sinclair' slapdown a while back?
That's the same kind of stuff you have to do with these morons. Every time. Accountability at every turn.
Every time. No Mercy.
Isn't there somebody with some integrity on the right who can stand up to these "fucking crazies" and set them straight?
I was almost going to type "McCain" but I remembered that he has no integrity left.
Isn't there somebody with some integrity on the right who can stand up to these "fucking crazies" and set them straight?
I was almost going to type "McCain" but I remembered that he has no integrity left.
Live Free-
In my darker moments I want a revolution.
But, somehow, I still believe in the Constitution.
The DeLays, the Frists, the Glorious Leaders are transitory. I hope...
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Live Free-
In my darker moments I want a revolution.
But, somehow, I still believe in the Constitution.
The DeLays, the Frists, the Glorious Leaders are transitory. I hope...
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If only he'd tried to sneak his gun onto the plane in his socks. Then I'm sure the media would be all over this and the Dems would be screaming bloody murder.
No, I'm not.
If only he'd tried to sneak his gun onto the plane in his socks. Then I'm sure the media would be all over this and the Dems would be screaming bloody murder.
No, I'm not.
I believe in the Declaration of Independence too.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
I believe in the Declaration of Independence too.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Hecate sez:
If only he'd tried to sneak his gun onto the plane in his socks. Then I'm sure the media would be all over this and the Dems would be screaming bloody murder.
But he's a better pig.
Not like you or me.
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Hecate sez:
If only he'd tried to sneak his gun onto the plane in his socks. Then I'm sure the media would be all over this and the Dems would be screaming bloody murder.
But he's a better pig.
Not like you or me.
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Elyse-
Thanks.
Today such language is Communist. Ol' Tom got something right.
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Elyse-
Thanks.
Today such language is Communist. Ol' Tom got something right.
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James Madison - Federalist 51 (snip)
If the principles on which these observations are founded be just, as I persuade myself they are, and they be applied as a criterion to the several State constitutions, and to the federal Constitution it will be found that if the latter does not perfectly correspond with them, the former are infinitely less able to bear such a test.
There are, moreover, two considerations particularly applicable to the federal system of America, which place that system in a very interesting point of view.
First. In a single republic, all the power surrendered by the people is submitted to the administration of a single government; and the usurpations are guarded against by a division of the government into distinct and separate departments. In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself.
Second. It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. Different interests necessarily exist in different classes of citizens. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure. There are but two methods of providing against this evil: the one by creating a will in the community independent of the majority that is, of the society itself; the other, by comprehending in the society so many separate descriptions of citizens as will render an unjust combination of a majority of the whole very improbable, if not impracticable.
Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit. In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature, where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger; and as, in the latter state, even the stronger individuals are prompted, by the uncertainty of their condition, to submit to a government which may protect the weak as well as themselves; so, in the former state, will the more powerful factions or parties be gradnally induced, by a like motive, to wish for a government which will protect all parties, the weaker as well as the more powerful.
James Madison - Federalist 51 (snip)
If the principles on which these observations are founded be just, as I persuade myself they are, and they be applied as a criterion to the several State constitutions, and to the federal Constitution it will be found that if the latter does not perfectly correspond with them, the former are infinitely less able to bear such a test.
There are, moreover, two considerations particularly applicable to the federal system of America, which place that system in a very interesting point of view.
First. In a single republic, all the power surrendered by the people is submitted to the administration of a single government; and the usurpations are guarded against by a division of the government into distinct and separate departments. In the compound republic of America, the power surrendered by the people is first divided between two distinct governments, and then the portion allotted to each subdivided among distinct and separate departments. Hence a double security arises to the rights of the people. The different governments will control each other, at the same time that each will be controlled by itself.
Second. It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. Different interests necessarily exist in different classes of citizens. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure. There are but two methods of providing against this evil: the one by creating a will in the community independent of the majority that is, of the society itself; the other, by comprehending in the society so many separate descriptions of citizens as will render an unjust combination of a majority of the whole very improbable, if not impracticable.
Justice is the end of government. It is the end of civil society. It ever has been and ever will be pursued until it be obtained, or until liberty be lost in the pursuit. In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign as in a state of nature, where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger; and as, in the latter state, even the stronger individuals are prompted, by the uncertainty of their condition, to submit to a government which may protect the weak as well as themselves; so, in the former state, will the more powerful factions or parties be gradnally induced, by a like motive, to wish for a government which will protect all parties, the weaker as well as the more powerful.
No, I'm not talking about a revolution, just playing hardball. Like when FOX first started, I remember dems laughing at the station, saying that it would never work. Now FOX is dems greatest nightmare. But they just stood there and let it happen. Now it is imperative that dems play tough. Like why doesnt
Bill Richardson redistrict New Mexico ala Delay?. Or grind the senate to a halt until every line in the ominibus bill is read? Complaining is not going ot accomplish shit.
No, I'm not talking about a revolution, just playing hardball. Like when FOX first started, I remember dems laughing at the station, saying that it would never work. Now FOX is dems greatest nightmare. But they just stood there and let it happen. Now it is imperative that dems play tough. Like why doesnt
Bill Richardson redistrict New Mexico ala Delay?. Or grind the senate to a halt until every line in the ominibus bill is read? Complaining is not going ot accomplish shit.
Of course, the chilling thing is that unless someone has the power to put a stop to them, they may be right about being "above the law" or at least able to sidestep it.
Of course, the chilling thing is that unless someone has the power to put a stop to them, they may be right about being "above the law" or at least able to sidestep it.
Spork,
Yes, unfortunately, such language is all but dead. It makes me sad.
I believe in and respect our constitution too. The problem is that the wingers don't. It's looked like 1798 for a while and we have no leaders like Jefferson and Madison to stand up to this madness. We'll have to do it ourselves.
Spork,
Yes, unfortunately, such language is all but dead. It makes me sad.
I believe in and respect our constitution too. The problem is that the wingers don't. It's looked like 1798 for a while and we have no leaders like Jefferson and Madison to stand up to this madness. We'll have to do it ourselves.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --
Fundies don't like that statement from the Constitution. We're a Christian Nation, and only God and not men are responsible for this country, remember? Osama bin Laden also believes the same thing that it's, and I paraphrase, "an abomination mere men would create their own form of governance and not follow God's Law."
Religious fundamentalism and democracy are not compatible.
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --
Fundies don't like that statement from the Constitution. We're a Christian Nation, and only God and not men are responsible for this country, remember? Osama bin Laden also believes the same thing that it's, and I paraphrase, "an abomination mere men would create their own form of governance and not follow God's Law."
Religious fundamentalism and democracy are not compatible.
I suppose we should make it a point then, that no special exceptions are made in this instance.
Barndog - $5 will get you $10 that this cretin will not be punished at all.
I guess the Rep was carrying his Glock to DC to confront the judges and let' em know he meant bidness.
I suppose we should make it a point then, that no special exceptions are made in this instance.
Barndog - $5 will get you $10 that this cretin will not be punished at all.
I guess the Rep was carrying his Glock to DC to confront the judges and let' em know he meant bidness.
Rev. Mykeru,
Exactly right.
BTW I've been reading your essays for a good while now, and I have shared them with so many people, including my mom. She loves getting them in the mail. Thanks so much for writing them. 
Rev. Mykeru,
Exactly right.
BTW I've been reading your essays for a good while now, and I have shared them with so many people, including my mom. She loves getting them in the mail. Thanks so much for writing them.
The fundies are using our form of government to destroy it in order to create a Theocracy to await the so-called "coming of the lord."
The fundies are using our form of government to destroy it in order to create a Theocracy to await the so-called "coming of the lord."
The Declaration of Independence, The Federalist Papers, hell, even the Constitution are all forgotten.
The "Founding Fathers" were radicals. They were Revolutionaries.
But how many people know that?
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The Declaration of Independence, The Federalist Papers, hell, even the Constitution are all forgotten.
The "Founding Fathers" were radicals. They were Revolutionaries.
But how many people know that?
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Incg,
While the dems just fiddle and watch it happen.
Incg,
While the dems just fiddle and watch it happen.
I'll say it again, as I have many times before.
The preamble to the Constitution starts out:
'WE THE PEOPLE'
It's our responsibility. Nobody elses. The government says it's accountable to itself, but you know it's not for fucks sake.
It's our responsibility. Do what you can, where you can. Stand your ground. Don't back off.
I'll say it again, as I have many times before.
The preamble to the Constitution starts out:
'WE THE PEOPLE'
It's our responsibility. Nobody elses. The government says it's accountable to itself, but you know it's not for fucks sake.
It's our responsibility. Do what you can, where you can. Stand your ground. Don't back off.
Religious fundamentalism and democracy are not compatible.
That is the crux of the biscuit, Incog.
Like you, having grown up where there is an abundance of fundemented, I have seen this all my life.
Take a hell-far and brimstone preacher and give him his flock and everything the uneducated idiot says after that becomes gospel. No interpretation. No questions. No doubts. Just B'LEEVE in brother Ray Gene (an actual name of a fundemented preacher I went to HS with), period.
The above does not lend itself to democracy, in this country or anywhere else.
Religious fundamentalism and democracy are not compatible.
That is the crux of the biscuit, Incog.
Like you, having grown up where there is an abundance of fundemented, I have seen this all my life.
Take a hell-far and brimstone preacher and give him his flock and everything the uneducated idiot says after that becomes gospel. No interpretation. No questions. No doubts. Just B'LEEVE in brother Ray Gene (an actual name of a fundemented preacher I went to HS with), period.
The above does not lend itself to democracy, in this country or anywhere else.
Religious fundamentalism and democracy are not compatible
Absolutely right, Incog.
Religious fundamentalism and democracy are not compatible
Absolutely right, Incog.
Spork, yes they were radicals. And I think that even as religious and relatively conservative as John Adams was, he'd think this was an complete abomination too.
After he and the Federalists were swept from power by Jefferson -- largely because of the Alien and Sedition Act abuses/prosecutions/persecutions, Adams wrote to his Navy Secretary in 1801:
"No party, that ever existed, knew itself so little, or so vainly overrated its own influence and popularity, as ours. None ever understood so ill the causes of its own power, or so wantonly destroyed them."
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Spork, yes they were radicals. And I think that even as religious and relatively conservative as John Adams was, he'd think this was an complete abomination too.
After he and the Federalists were swept from power by Jefferson -- largely because of the Alien and Sedition Act abuses/prosecutions/persecutions, Adams wrote to his Navy Secretary in 1801:
"No party, that ever existed, knew itself so little, or so vainly overrated its own influence and popularity, as ours. None ever understood so ill the causes of its own power, or so wantonly destroyed them."
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Incg,
While the dems just fiddle and watch it happen.
Live Free or Die
Yup. Just like us screaming for about 3 years prior to the selection for verifiable voting. They did nothing about it.
Incg,
While the dems just fiddle and watch it happen.
Live Free or Die
Yup. Just like us screaming for about 3 years prior to the selection for verifiable voting. They did nothing about it.
Have you forgotten? That is Catch 22. The law is that we can do anything, that you can not stop us from doing.
Have you forgotten? That is Catch 22. The law is that we can do anything, that you can not stop us from doing.
Absolutely right, Incog.
Hecate
They make no secret about it. They harp ad nauseam that, "There is no separation of church and state." I read 'letters to the editor' locally all the time from them "explaining why."
Absolutely right, Incog.
Hecate
They make no secret about it. They harp ad nauseam that, "There is no separation of church and state." I read 'letters to the editor' locally all the time from them "explaining why."
This is just more confirmation that we are not a democracy anymore. The ruling party in an oligarchy has always been above the law, every single dictatorship has had this charecteristic. Look at what the clerics allow the middle-eastern dicatators to do in their personal lives? That is when you're tired of seeing what clerics around the world get up to themselves.
Live Free or Die, yes, we've heard you on these subjects before. What do you think we should do? Join the Libertarian Party so the corporations can put their foot on our necks without having to use the government to do it?
Greens, build your party from the bottom up. It's what the Democrats, especially those in the South and Rocky Mountain regions, have to do. As mentioned before we in the North East have to put the pressure on our elected representatives to do stand up for democracy. That's our job. Some of us also have to put pressure on our Republican "moderates" to jump or to defeat them at the polls.
Envoi to Libby Mitchell (former Majority leader of the MAINE legislature and native of SOUTH CAROLINA who has recently won election to the state governemnt): Please run against Olympia. Please unseat her, please represent Maine in the United States Senate.
This is just more confirmation that we are not a democracy anymore. The ruling party in an oligarchy has always been above the law, every single dictatorship has had this charecteristic. Look at what the clerics allow the middle-eastern dicatators to do in their personal lives? That is when you're tired of seeing what clerics around the world get up to themselves.
Live Free or Die, yes, we've heard you on these subjects before. What do you think we should do? Join the Libertarian Party so the corporations can put their foot on our necks without having to use the government to do it?
Greens, build your party from the bottom up. It's what the Democrats, especially those in the South and Rocky Mountain regions, have to do. As mentioned before we in the North East have to put the pressure on our elected representatives to do stand up for democracy. That's our job. Some of us also have to put pressure on our Republican "moderates" to jump or to defeat them at the polls.
Envoi to Libby Mitchell (former Majority leader of the MAINE legislature and native of SOUTH CAROLINA who has recently won election to the state governemnt): Please run against Olympia. Please unseat her, please represent Maine in the United States Senate.
Absolutely right, Incog.
Hecate
I second.
Absolutely right, Incog.
Hecate
I second.
Incog,
As you pointed out, it's exactly the same justification the Islamists use. Pakistan's great political thinker, the journalist Maududi termed it Al-hakimiya and in the Islamist political world it means sovereignty which belongs to Allah alone. Allah alone is the law-giver and Muslims can neither create independent legislation, nor can they change any law enacted by Allah. Maududi viewed the Islamic state as a political agency to enforce the laws of Allah.
This concept greatly influenced Egypt's Syed Qutb as well and lots of the modern jihadist groups descended from him.
Incog,
As you pointed out, it's exactly the same justification the Islamists use. Pakistan's great political thinker, the journalist Maududi termed it Al-hakimiya and in the Islamist political world it means sovereignty which belongs to Allah alone. Allah alone is the law-giver and Muslims can neither create independent legislation, nor can they change any law enacted by Allah. Maududi viewed the Islamic state as a political agency to enforce the laws of Allah.
This concept greatly influenced Egypt's Syed Qutb as well and lots of the modern jihadist groups descended from him.
I'm beginning to believe along albert champion lines that it's not so much the "democrats are quaking" but they're all the same actors along with the republicans for the Powers That Be. "Elections" are just the PTB's elected stooges fighting amongst themselves for a piece of the pie.
Just like stem-cell research which is the largest industry in the world, especially the US with the medical/pharma industry. At first they were gung-ho about stem-cell research but then quickly realized the very real potential to actually cure diseases outright instead of expensive treatments. They then spread the falsity to the fundies that "it would be killing babies which had the only stem cells" although they can take the same stem cells from umbilical cords without injuring the developing fetus. The fundies them flooded their congresspeople to ban it. The PTB's play the fundies like the idiots they are.
I'm beginning to believe along albert champion lines that it's not so much the "democrats are quaking" but they're all the same actors along with the republicans for the Powers That Be. "Elections" are just the PTB's elected stooges fighting amongst themselves for a piece of the pie.
Just like stem-cell research which is the largest industry in the world, especially the US with the medical/pharma industry. At first they were gung-ho about stem-cell research but then quickly realized the very real potential to actually cure diseases outright instead of expensive treatments. They then spread the falsity to the fundies that "it would be killing babies which had the only stem cells" although they can take the same stem cells from umbilical cords without injuring the developing fetus. The fundies them flooded their congresspeople to ban it. The PTB's play the fundies like the idiots they are.
Elyse-
Damn straight.
Today Jefferson and Adams (not a fan) and Hamilton and Franklin would dismissed as cranks.
I'm not saying we should return to 18th. century language; but 18 seconds on the the TeeVee is not an argument.
And what Jefferson wrote would today be dismissed as silly talk.
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Elyse-
Damn straight.
Today Jefferson and Adams (not a fan) and Hamilton and Franklin would dismissed as cranks.
I'm not saying we should return to 18th. century language; but 18 seconds on the the TeeVee is not an argument.
And what Jefferson wrote would today be dismissed as silly talk.
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"but they're all the same actors along with the republicans for the Powers That Be"
This is true in some cases, Clueless Joe, Zell Miller, Breau,... It's definitely not true in others.
One problem is that they seem to get the same virus endemic to DC "news media". They get dazzled by the power elite and within a short time begin to buy the corporate line. The media self-select for those with weak resistance and effectively 100% of DC based media are infected with the virus. Some members of congress and the senate have higher resistence. One even finds rare, isolated memembers of the DC based media who are immune. I suspect those are the ones who don't frequent parties too often.
Molly Ivins had this insight first.
"but they're all the same actors along with the republicans for the Powers That Be"
This is true in some cases, Clueless Joe, Zell Miller, Breau,... It's definitely not true in others.
One problem is that they seem to get the same virus endemic to DC "news media". They get dazzled by the power elite and within a short time begin to buy the corporate line. The media self-select for those with weak resistance and effectively 100% of DC based media are infected with the virus. Some members of congress and the senate have higher resistence. One even finds rare, isolated memembers of the DC based media who are immune. I suspect those are the ones who don't frequent parties too often.
Molly Ivins had this insight first.
Franklin and T. Paine are the two revoloutionaries of that era who have the most to offer us today. The "founding fathers" vary in honesty and wisdom but they are largly the founders of the problems we are saddled with today. Rich White Men.
Franklin and T. Paine are the two revoloutionaries of that era who have the most to offer us today. The "founding fathers" vary in honesty and wisdom but they are largly the founders of the problems we are saddled with today. Rich White Men.
EPT,
What should "we" do? We have done every thing possible. GOTV, donate money, give good ideas via blogs, etc. We cant do anything more, the elected dems have to change their mentality. The old model is dead. Might makes right. Dems could start by redisticting a few moderate dems out of districts, they could target moderates in the next election. They could vow never to mention McCains name again, unless it is in a negative context( Remember how dems gave McCain such crediblitly, then MCain said to vote for Bush?). Stop using language that says I respect the other side. Constantly remind the public that repubs are in charge and that they are ruining things. Any opportunity that comes up take full advange of. Most important, buy CNN and a few newspapers. FOX is a big reason why dems are having problems. The Swifties really exploded under FOX. I heard rumors that some repubs were looking at buying CNN. Every hearing (Rice, Gonzonles) make as painful as possible-even if they get through. In other words, tooughen up-grow a spine.
EPT,
What should "we" do? We have done every thing possible. GOTV, donate money, give good ideas via blogs, etc. We cant do anything more, the elected dems have to change their mentality. The old model is dead. Might makes right. Dems could start by redisticting a few moderate dems out of districts, they could target moderates in the next election. They could vow never to mention McCains name again, unless it is in a negative context( Remember how dems gave McCain such crediblitly, then MCain said to vote for Bush?). Stop using language that says I respect the other side. Constantly remind the public that repubs are in charge and that they are ruining things. Any opportunity that comes up take full advange of. Most important, buy CNN and a few newspapers. FOX is a big reason why dems are having problems. The Swifties really exploded under FOX. I heard rumors that some repubs were looking at buying CNN. Every hearing (Rice, Gonzonles) make as painful as possible-even if they get through. In other words, tooughen up-grow a spine.
The destruction of language happens to all sick empires. The language flowers for a while then, as the empire rots, it is one of the first things to fall apart, the ability to write and think clearly.
The destruction of language happens to all sick empires. The language flowers for a while then, as the empire rots, it is one of the first things to fall apart, the ability to write and think clearly.
Incog,
That is why the dmns need to call repubs on their shit, asking to bring a bill to the floor criminalizing abortion. This will reveal to the fundies that they are just being used for a vote. But the dems dont thing strategically, just hand to mouth.
Incog,
That is why the dmns need to call repubs on their shit, asking to bring a bill to the floor criminalizing abortion. This will reveal to the fundies that they are just being used for a vote. But the dems dont thing strategically, just hand to mouth.
Just like stem-cell research which is the largest industry in the world, especially the US with the medical/pharma industry.
Whoopsi-daisy, just worked a 12-hour shift and I've been drinking a cold one. Meant something like: Just like stem-cell research and the Medical/Pharma industry which is even larger than the automotive industry and the M/P's opposition to stem-cell research.
Just like stem-cell research which is the largest industry in the world, especially the US with the medical/pharma industry.
Whoopsi-daisy, just worked a 12-hour shift and I've been drinking a cold one. Meant something like: Just like stem-cell research and the Medical/Pharma industry which is even larger than the automotive industry and the M/P's opposition to stem-cell research.
Fellow-Countrymen:
At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern there
Fellow-Countrymen:
At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern there
Or is that, "whoopsy-dazy"?
Or is that, "whoopsy-dazy"?
Spork -
I'm definitely not a fan of Adams, but he wasn't completely singleminded and unwilling to listen to people with different viewpoints. Hell, he was even willing to engage them in debate. He wasn't averse to taking accountability for his actions. That's one hell of a lot more than I can say for this goddamn crowd -- especially the Disaster Monkey, who feels press conferences are beneath him and hasn't taken accountability for anything in his whole miserable life.
Personally, I wouldn't mind returning to the spirit of the language of our "radical" founders. Yes, they all had flaws and agendas, but they didn't dumb shit down. They wrote treatises and fantastic documents and they expected intellectual honesty from each other. For the most part they got it. The wingers have hijacked everything, including our history. This nation was NOT founded on the principles they claim and it's high bloody time we took it back.
Spork -
I'm definitely not a fan of Adams, but he wasn't completely singleminded and unwilling to listen to people with different viewpoints. Hell, he was even willing to engage them in debate. He wasn't averse to taking accountability for his actions. That's one hell of a lot more than I can say for this goddamn crowd -- especially the Disaster Monkey, who feels press conferences are beneath him and hasn't taken accountability for anything in his whole miserable life.
Personally, I wouldn't mind returning to the spirit of the language of our "radical" founders. Yes, they all had flaws and agendas, but they didn't dumb shit down. They wrote treatises and fantastic documents and they expected intellectual honesty from each other. For the most part they got it. The wingers have hijacked everything, including our history. This nation was NOT founded on the principles they claim and it's high bloody time we took it back.
If they change the filibuster rule in the Senate, the Dem. Senators should walk out and go home for the rest of the Congressional term. Let the majority run the country into the fucking ground and reap the consequences. You can't start to get well until you've hit rock bottom. We're not quite there yet.
If they change the filibuster rule in the Senate, the Dem. Senators should walk out and go home for the rest of the Congressional term. Let the majority run the country into the fucking ground and reap the consequences. You can't start to get well until you've hit rock bottom. We're not quite there yet.
Anyway, the bif finish:
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
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Anyway, the bif finish:
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
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Dear God
Please strike down the christian coalition wherever it may stand as it uses your name in vain to carry out such evil.
Dear God
Please strike down the christian coalition wherever it may stand as it uses your name in vain to carry out such evil.
Spork...
And today's Rethugs claim ideological descent from Lincoln.
Not in this lifetime.
Spork...
And today's Rethugs claim ideological descent from Lincoln.
Not in this lifetime.
Elyse sez:
they all had flaws and agendas, but they didn't dumb shit down. They wrote treatises and fantastic documents and they expected intellectual honesty from each other. For the most part they got it.
Well said; that's where I was trying to go.
Can you imagine Tom Paine being interviewed by Blitzer?
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Elyse sez:
they all had flaws and agendas, but they didn't dumb shit down. They wrote treatises and fantastic documents and they expected intellectual honesty from each other. For the most part they got it.
Well said; that's where I was trying to go.
Can you imagine Tom Paine being interviewed by Blitzer?
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Democracy and monotheism are incompatible...democracy is a secular, tolerant arrangement. Monotheism is utterly intolerant of dissent, creating political crimes like blasphemy, apostasy, sacrilege, and heresy with which to control and punish thought and speech. Every one of these 'crimes' is a crime against orthodox opinion. They are, therefore, victimless 'crimes', to the extent that they are crimes at all (which is none, in secular law)...
Democracy and monotheism are incompatible...democracy is a secular, tolerant arrangement. Monotheism is utterly intolerant of dissent, creating political crimes like blasphemy, apostasy, sacrilege, and heresy with which to control and punish thought and speech. Every one of these 'crimes' is a crime against orthodox opinion. They are, therefore, victimless 'crimes', to the extent that they are crimes at all (which is none, in secular law)...
But don't fret folks. According to the liberal new media: SHOP SHOP SHOP! ITEMS ARE DISAPPEARING OFF STORE SHELVES!!! PRICES ARE SLASHED WITH PEOPLE LINING UP!!! WHAT STOLEN ELECTION!!! MOVE ALONG NOW!! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!! EVERYTHING'S HAPPY AND GREAT AND JUST DOWN-RIGHT REFRESHING NOW THAT THE GIGGLING MURDER AND CORPORATE 'MURKA'S BEST ALLY IS IN THERE AND HOPE IS RESTORED, RESTORED, RESTORED, RESTORED!!! SHOP SHOP SHOP!!! AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST THINGS WHEN THEY DIE, WINS!!
BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
But don't fret folks. According to the liberal new media: SHOP SHOP SHOP! ITEMS ARE DISAPPEARING OFF STORE SHELVES!!! PRICES ARE SLASHED WITH PEOPLE LINING UP!!! WHAT STOLEN ELECTION!!! MOVE ALONG NOW!! NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!! EVERYTHING'S HAPPY AND GREAT AND JUST DOWN-RIGHT REFRESHING NOW THAT THE GIGGLING MURDER AND CORPORATE 'MURKA'S BEST ALLY IS IN THERE AND HOPE IS RESTORED, RESTORED, RESTORED, RESTORED!!! SHOP SHOP SHOP!!! AND THE ONE WITH THE MOST THINGS WHEN THEY DIE, WINS!!
BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
MURDERER
MURDERER
Let's get it on...
The crazier they get the sooner our side will radicalize in defense!
So yeah, any wingnuts that might be listening, please crank up the hatred, the racism, the anti-Americanism (write your representatives)so that the real ass kicking can commence.
If you want a culture war, a war of ideas, a religious/moral war then bring it...if you are crazy enough to want to go beyond that, well then bring that too!
Let's get it on...
The crazier they get the sooner our side will radicalize in defense!
So yeah, any wingnuts that might be listening, please crank up the hatred, the racism, the anti-Americanism (write your representatives)so that the real ass kicking can commence.
If you want a culture war, a war of ideas, a religious/moral war then bring it...if you are crazy enough to want to go beyond that, well then bring that too!
Can you imagine Tom Paine being interviewed by Blitzer?
ROFLMAO!!!
I LOVE the language of Paine and Trenchard, etc. From Cato's Letters, 1720:
"Freedom of Speech is the great Bulwark of Liberty; they prosper and die together: And it is the Terror of Traytors and Oppressors and a Barrier Against them. […] All Ministers, therefore, who were Oppressors, or intended to be Oppressors, have been loud in their Complaints against Freedom of Speech and the License of the Press; and always restrained, or endeavored to restrain, both."
Now for a quiz:
"Whatever American is a friend to the present administration…is undoubtedly a true republican, a true patriot…Whatever American opposes the administration is an anarchist, a Jacobin and a traitor…It is Patriotism to write in favor of our government — it is Sedition to write against it."
Is this journalism in 1798 or 2004? Hard to tell, isn't it?
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Can you imagine Tom Paine being interviewed by Blitzer?
ROFLMAO!!!
I LOVE the language of Paine and Trenchard, etc. From Cato's Letters, 1720:
"Freedom of Speech is the great Bulwark of Liberty; they prosper and die together: And it is the Terror of Traytors and Oppressors and a Barrier Against them. […] All Ministers, therefore, who were Oppressors, or intended to be Oppressors, have been loud in their Complaints against Freedom of Speech and the License of the Press; and always restrained, or endeavored to restrain, both."
Now for a quiz:
"Whatever American is a friend to the present administration…is undoubtedly a true republican, a true patriot…Whatever American opposes the administration is an anarchist, a Jacobin and a traitor…It is Patriotism to write in favor of our government — it is Sedition to write against it."
Is this journalism in 1798 or 2004? Hard to tell, isn't it?
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Elyse sez:
Now for a quiz:
"Whatever American is a friend to the present administration…is undoubtedly a true republican, a true patriot…Whatever American opposes the administration is an anarchist, a Jacobin and a traitor…It is Patriotism to write in favor of our government — it is Sedition to write against it."
I give up. Who?
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Elyse sez:
Now for a quiz:
"Whatever American is a friend to the present administration…is undoubtedly a true republican, a true patriot…Whatever American opposes the administration is an anarchist, a Jacobin and a traitor…It is Patriotism to write in favor of our government — it is Sedition to write against it."
I give up. Who?
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The Columbian Centinel, BOSTON, June 20, 1798
Could have come straight out of World Nut Daily though.
The Columbian Centinel, BOSTON, June 20, 1798
Could have come straight out of World Nut Daily though.
john adams
john adams
Elyse sez:
The Columbian Centinel, BOSTON, June 20, 1798
Could have come straight out of World Nut Daily though.
It also sounds like most of us Eschatonians!
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Elyse sez:
The Columbian Centinel, BOSTON, June 20, 1798
Could have come straight out of World Nut Daily though.
It also sounds like most of us Eschatonians!
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Live Free or Die,
Yep, without some control of the media the Left will continue to be impotent, period. This is not rocket science.
In addition, there is no such thing as "unbiased media", the media by its very nature has to have a bias or else it is useless. The wingnuts just happened to discover this sooner and are more clever in applying the principle(at the moment). The ideas that we have a "free press" and have historically had "unbiased media" is fiction.
What is more difficult to understand is that some Left leaning entrepreneur has not realized what a huge business opportunity is out there for the taking. How many of us voted against Bush? How many of us are pissed off? How many of us are sick of CNN?
So like "Live Free of Die" I would like more discussion along these lines and someone knowledgeable in this space to weigh in on what are the fricking impediments to making this happen? American entrepreneurs are usually the best in the world at spotting market opportunities and exploiting them. Here is a huge market to exploit and there are no takers, something is not right with this picture.
If we do not "win" back a piece of the media then we should just be prepared to keep getting our collective asses kicked for the foreseeable future. Smart people do not win wars, armies that have better weapons do.
Live Free or Die,
Yep, without some control of the media the Left will continue to be impotent, period. This is not rocket science.
In addition, there is no such thing as "unbiased media", the media by its very nature has to have a bias or else it is useless. The wingnuts just happened to discover this sooner and are more clever in applying the principle(at the moment). The ideas that we have a "free press" and have historically had "unbiased media" is fiction.
What is more difficult to understand is that some Left leaning entrepreneur has not realized what a huge business opportunity is out there for the taking. How many of us voted against Bush? How many of us are pissed off? How many of us are sick of CNN?
So like "Live Free of Die" I would like more discussion along these lines and someone knowledgeable in this space to weigh in on what are the fricking impediments to making this happen? American entrepreneurs are usually the best in the world at spotting market opportunities and exploiting them. Here is a huge market to exploit and there are no takers, something is not right with this picture.
If we do not "win" back a piece of the media then we should just be prepared to keep getting our collective asses kicked for the foreseeable future. Smart people do not win wars, armies that have better weapons do.
Dems won't even try to block unpopular bills. Dems are to busy quaking in thoer boots about the "swing vote".
you would be too, if you knew that opposition would earn you a fresh bouqet of anthrax.
Dems won't even try to block unpopular bills. Dems are to busy quaking in thoer boots about the "swing vote".
you would be too, if you knew that opposition would earn you a fresh bouqet of anthrax.
anything with an "EDIT" button is AUTOMATICALLY BIASED.
i know that sounds funny but ask anyone who does audio/video editing.
whoever controls the "EDIT" button, controls the story.
anything with an "EDIT" button is AUTOMATICALLY BIASED.
i know that sounds funny but ask anyone who does audio/video editing.
whoever controls the "EDIT" button, controls the story.
my favorite christian joke.
q: why did jesus cross the road.
a: his dick was stuck in a chicken.
my favorite christian joke.
q: why did jesus cross the road.
a: his dick was stuck in a chicken.
Cochise,
I am not a media expert, but I can tell you the right wing looks at the media, not a profit-generating asset, but as a means to create support for their ideology. I've heard the Washinton Times has never turned a profit. Fox never used to. CNN would cost 5-7 billion. If the 54 million who voted for Kerry kicked in an average of $100=5.4
billion. The Soros' could take care of the rest. Dont look at media as a source of profit, but as means to get your message out.
Cochise,
I am not a media expert, but I can tell you the right wing looks at the media, not a profit-generating asset, but as a means to create support for their ideology. I've heard the Washinton Times has never turned a profit. Fox never used to. CNN would cost 5-7 billion. If the 54 million who voted for Kerry kicked in an average of $100=5.4
billion. The Soros' could take care of the rest. Dont look at media as a source of profit, but as means to get your message out.
Yeah, this is crazy. I posted about it yesterday morning. Wingnuttery at its best.
Yeah, this is crazy. I posted about it yesterday morning. Wingnuttery at its best.
Another Republican caught with a gun in an airport, security shook their fingers at him, got his autograph, sent him on his way
Former South Carolina Gov. Carroll Campbell was briefly
detained by airport police Wednesday after a metal detector went off and
they discovered an unloaded gun in his carry-on luggage.
In addition to federal restrictions, carrying a weapon into a public
building is a felony under South Carolina law, punishable by as long as five
years in prison and a $5,000 fine. Carrying a concealed weapon without a
permit is a misdemeanor, punishable by as long as a year in prison or $1,000
fine.
Two officers escorted Campbell into the airport police office around 3
p.m., said Carrie Burkmier, who works at a rental car office nearby. He was
in the office at least an hour, then emerged laughing with officers,
Burkmier said.
Another Republican caught with a gun in an airport, security shook their fingers at him, got his autograph, sent him on his way
Former South Carolina Gov. Carroll Campbell was briefly
detained by airport police Wednesday after a metal detector went off and
they discovered an unloaded gun in his carry-on luggage.
In addition to federal restrictions, carrying a weapon into a public
building is a felony under South Carolina law, punishable by as long as five
years in prison and a $5,000 fine. Carrying a concealed weapon without a
permit is a misdemeanor, punishable by as long as a year in prison or $1,000
fine.
Two officers escorted Campbell into the airport police office around 3
p.m., said Carrie Burkmier, who works at a rental car office nearby. He was
in the office at least an hour, then emerged laughing with officers,
Burkmier said.
Be afraid. If the wingnuts were to enact such a law, all they would need is a Bush appointed Supreme Court to uphold its constitutionality with a precedent setting ruling.
Be afraid. If the wingnuts were to enact such a law, all they would need is a Bush appointed Supreme Court to uphold its constitutionality with a precedent setting ruling.
Congress has rarely used its power to limit jurisdiction of the federal courts. The most ominous is the court which hears the terrorist stuff. Federal courts have no jurisdiction over their actions.
Congress has rarely used its power to limit jurisdiction of the federal courts. The most ominous is the court which hears the terrorist stuff. Federal courts have no jurisdiction over their actions.
And yet if either of us liberals or moderates yell out that these people are trying to destroy the constitution the media and red staters will just laugh at us, "Same old liberal, partisan, hateful conspiracy theories."
If these people were incapable of seeing the facts concerning Bush and the republican party after all it has done the last four years then why expect them to react to this news when many of them are so undereducated that they wouldn't know right from wrong when it comes to the constitution, and might even like the effort?
MYOB'
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And yet if either of us liberals or moderates yell out that these people are trying to destroy the constitution the media and red staters will just laugh at us, "Same old liberal, partisan, hateful conspiracy theories."
If these people were incapable of seeing the facts concerning Bush and the republican party after all it has done the last four years then why expect them to react to this news when many of them are so undereducated that they wouldn't know right from wrong when it comes to the constitution, and might even like the effort?
MYOB'
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MYOB,
Dems have not gotten their message across. Who is on the talk shows today?
Lieberman and Hamilton the 911 commissioner. Not exactly partisans. Who did the repubs put on? Snensenbrenner, one of most partisan people on the Hill. that says it all. The dems are outclassed in strategy.
MYOB,
Dems have not gotten their message across. Who is on the talk shows today?
Lieberman and Hamilton the 911 commissioner. Not exactly partisans. Who did the repubs put on? Snensenbrenner, one of most partisan people on the Hill. that says it all. The dems are outclassed in strategy.
During Clinton's administration, NPR ran a piece discussing the use of polls by the Repubs and Dems, which bacame an analysis of the use of power. It was probably brought up during one of the many times the Repubs were attacking Clinton for "governing according to polls."
The study stated both use polls to govern, but they use them differently--as they use power differently.
When Dems get into power, they generally use their power to try to ensure they represent the needs and interests of the people, to improve things for people. They also tend to try better things for minorities and the oppressed.
They use polls to try to best ascertain whether they are meeting the people's needs, as well as being determing how they are viewed.
When Repubs get into power they use their power to keep and maintain more power. They base their legislative actions on implementing what *they* want done, not necessarily what the people want done.
They use polls to determine how best to present what they are doing in a package most acceptable to the people.
Hence, they will push as far as possible, further than any rational critic thought possible, as BushCo has done. With no pushback they just keep rolling on until something, the judicial branch or voters, resist.
Repubs tend to think laws they don't like or which are awkward for them can be safely ignored. Gun laws, security laws, international treaties, etc. Hence, these airport stories.
During Clinton's administration, NPR ran a piece discussing the use of polls by the Repubs and Dems, which bacame an analysis of the use of power. It was probably brought up during one of the many times the Repubs were attacking Clinton for "governing according to polls."
The study stated both use polls to govern, but they use them differently--as they use power differently.
When Dems get into power, they generally use their power to try to ensure they represent the needs and interests of the people, to improve things for people. They also tend to try better things for minorities and the oppressed.
They use polls to try to best ascertain whether they are meeting the people's needs, as well as being determing how they are viewed.
When Repubs get into power they use their power to keep and maintain more power. They base their legislative actions on implementing what *they* want done, not necessarily what the people want done.
They use polls to determine how best to present what they are doing in a package most acceptable to the people.
Hence, they will push as far as possible, further than any rational critic thought possible, as BushCo has done. With no pushback they just keep rolling on until something, the judicial branch or voters, resist.
Repubs tend to think laws they don't like or which are awkward for them can be safely ignored. Gun laws, security laws, international treaties, etc. Hence, these airport stories.
And it's not limited to Winger Repubs:
Giuliani would regularly tear judges a new one if they ruled in a way with which he disagreed.
Oh, for the days when Repubs said no one was above the law!
Oh. Yeah. That's only for Democrats.
And it's not limited to Winger Repubs:
Giuliani would regularly tear judges a new one if they ruled in a way with which he disagreed.
Oh, for the days when Repubs said no one was above the law!
Oh. Yeah. That's only for Democrats.
Live Free or Die
I don't think the message matters anymore. I think those 51% voted on instinct rather than logic and reasoning. They used every other organ but their brains in making their decisions. We could have spat out message after message and it wouldn't have mattered. Right now that 51% is so skeptical of democrats that they're all perceived as liberals who want gay marriage, increased taxes, appeasement of Osama Bin Laden, and feminazis.
I doubt it is the message that matters. It is the image that needs to change. Otherwise we'll have no choice but to deceive them for their own good by running stealth candidates in every election.
MYOB'
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Live Free or Die
I don't think the message matters anymore. I think those 51% voted on instinct rather than logic and reasoning. They used every other organ but their brains in making their decisions. We could have spat out message after message and it wouldn't have mattered. Right now that 51% is so skeptical of democrats that they're all perceived as liberals who want gay marriage, increased taxes, appeasement of Osama Bin Laden, and feminazis.
I doubt it is the message that matters. It is the image that needs to change. Otherwise we'll have no choice but to deceive them for their own good by running stealth candidates in every election.
MYOB'
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Ok - I just read Frank Rich in the NYT, and he cites The Economist for these statistics. People, despite all the yowling, the numbers of Americans who said that moral and ethical values are a prime concern when voting is down. In '96, it was 40%. In '00, it was 35%. In '04, it was down to 22%.
At this rate, with the xian ayatollah's all over the news shows and crying "Repent" from street corners, it sill be down to around 6% in '08.
Ok - I just read Frank Rich in the NYT, and he cites The Economist for these statistics. People, despite all the yowling, the numbers of Americans who said that moral and ethical values are a prime concern when voting is down. In '96, it was 40%. In '00, it was 35%. In '04, it was down to 22%.
At this rate, with the xian ayatollah's all over the news shows and crying "Repent" from street corners, it sill be down to around 6% in '08.
MYOB - See, I don't understand why you and others are so quick to buy the bullshit that the ayatollahs and the mullahs, like Rush, are preaching.
It is all a bunch of lies. Yet, you believe it. You believe 51% of the country likes Falwell and Bush and all the rest.
They don't. It's a fucking Big Lie. Yet you continue to fall for it. Would you please look at the numbers?
MYOB - See, I don't understand why you and others are so quick to buy the bullshit that the ayatollahs and the mullahs, like Rush, are preaching.
It is all a bunch of lies. Yet, you believe it. You believe 51% of the country likes Falwell and Bush and all the rest.
They don't. It's a fucking Big Lie. Yet you continue to fall for it. Would you please look at the numbers?
Hostettler is clearly insane.
That does not excuse his endorsement of a fascist theocracy, however.
Have any other Republicans denounced his inexcusable remarks? Any of them who remain silent about this, we can safely assume that they share his views.
Hostettler is clearly insane.
That does not excuse his endorsement of a fascist theocracy, however.
Have any other Republicans denounced his inexcusable remarks? Any of them who remain silent about this, we can safely assume that they share his views.
Seraphiel - I think that only those Repugs who are fundies themselves or think they can ride the fundie train to unlimited terms in Congress share those views.
I really do not for a second believe that a significant number of Congresspeople think that the decisions of federal courts can be ignored. It didn't work for the segregationists; it ain't going to work now.
You start fucking around with the actual jurisdiction (ie power) of federal courts, and Congress is going to get smacked down. But first they'd have to want to do this and I don't think they do. For one thing, they are smart enough to know that if the checks and balances are destroyed, then their jobs are next.
Seraphiel - I think that only those Repugs who are fundies themselves or think they can ride the fundie train to unlimited terms in Congress share those views.
I really do not for a second believe that a significant number of Congresspeople think that the decisions of federal courts can be ignored. It didn't work for the segregationists; it ain't going to work now.
You start fucking around with the actual jurisdiction (ie power) of federal courts, and Congress is going to get smacked down. But first they'd have to want to do this and I don't think they do. For one thing, they are smart enough to know that if the checks and balances are destroyed, then their jobs are next.
Live Free or Die,
Of course the message matters but that should not preclude it from being profitable as well. If Fox can be profitable supporting hate (either directly or indirectly) then anti-Fox could be profitable as well. Why? Because of the potential size of the market.
As an aside, I agree with Tena that we are not fighting 51%. There are moderates that can (and will) be reached. Unfortuneately, nations (like people) often need to experience a significant amount of pain before they are capable of seeing the error of their ways(BTW I include myselft at the top of this list). Certainly the Nazi masses were not all evil, yet their silence and consent contributed significantly to horrendous evil.
I love using Nazi analogies since it drives the wingnuts crazy!
Live Free or Die,
Of course the message matters but that should not preclude it from being profitable as well. If Fox can be profitable supporting hate (either directly or indirectly) then anti-Fox could be profitable as well. Why? Because of the potential size of the market.
As an aside, I agree with Tena that we are not fighting 51%. There are moderates that can (and will) be reached. Unfortuneately, nations (like people) often need to experience a significant amount of pain before they are capable of seeing the error of their ways(BTW I include myselft at the top of this list). Certainly the Nazi masses were not all evil, yet their silence and consent contributed significantly to horrendous evil.
I love using Nazi analogies since it drives the wingnuts crazy!
Oh NO!!! Now they are talking about reigning in the courts!! How will we impose our agenda on Americans then?? They already hate us and won't vote for us anymore! Don't they know we know whats best for them!! Don't they understand that when we dictate our beliefs on them through unelected judges that that is DEMOCRACY!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!
Oh NO!!! Now they are talking about reigning in the courts!! How will we impose our agenda on Americans then?? They already hate us and won't vote for us anymore! Don't they know we know whats best for them!! Don't they understand that when we dictate our beliefs on them through unelected judges that that is DEMOCRACY!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!
great siute
great siute
shall we pre-dub the Dubya period of American history "The Great Unraveling"?
started in Januaray, 2000...ended????
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shall we pre-dub the Dubya period of American history "The Great Unraveling"?
started in Januaray, 2000...ended????
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spork incident.
After two years of these reactionary bastards, the Constitution is going to look revolutionary.
spork incident.
After two years of these reactionary bastards, the Constitution is going to look revolutionary.
I really do not for a second believe that a significant number of Congresspeople think that the decisions of federal courts can be ignored.
Then it is the responsibility of the Republicans to loudly and publicly denounce the filth spewing from the mouths of Hostetter and his poisonous ilk.
McCain, Snowe, and the others who would dress in moderate clothing have to choose whether they want to stand with the lunatics, or the Constitution.
I really do not for a second believe that a significant number of Congresspeople think that the decisions of federal courts can be ignored.
Then it is the responsibility of the Republicans to loudly and publicly denounce the filth spewing from the mouths of Hostetter and his poisonous ilk.
McCain, Snowe, and the others who would dress in moderate clothing have to choose whether they want to stand with the lunatics, or the Constitution.
Sadly. I have to agree with MYOB. I don't think the message matters anymore either. We (liberals) can buy all the media we want but we will only reach other liberals.
I live in one of the reddest of red states. Red state, red neck, fundamentalist yahoo, Newt Gingrich loving, Zell Miller producing, Georgia. If the people at work are any indication, they are beyond reaching. The only media consumed consists of right wing talk shows and Fox News. They call CNN the communist news network and will not watch it at all. They think anyone to the left of Hitler is a flaming anarchist.
I got in a heated argument with one of these insane Rethugs last week over global warming. He told me gloabal warming isn't real and even if it's actually happening, mankind doesn't cause it. Science doesn't matter, evidence doesn't matter and logic has no place in these people's lives. Forget trying to reach these people, it's an effort in futility.
Fox News and all the rest of the wingnut media doesn't convert/convince anyone of anything. It's a closed feedback loop, they just reinforce what they already think they know. These people are to dumb to understand that people like Rupert Murdoch actually don't give a shit about them and their politics. Murdoch stuck his finger in the air, fealt the wind blowing to the right and built an empire to sell the rubes pickup trucks and laundry soap.
Sadly. I have to agree with MYOB. I don't think the message matters anymore either. We (liberals) can buy all the media we want but we will only reach other liberals.
I live in one of the reddest of red states. Red state, red neck, fundamentalist yahoo, Newt Gingrich loving, Zell Miller producing, Georgia. If the people at work are any indication, they are beyond reaching. The only media consumed consists of right wing talk shows and Fox News. They call CNN the communist news network and will not watch it at all. They think anyone to the left of Hitler is a flaming anarchist.
I got in a heated argument with one of these insane Rethugs last week over global warming. He told me gloabal warming isn't real and even if it's actually happening, mankind doesn't cause it. Science doesn't matter, evidence doesn't matter and logic has no place in these people's lives. Forget trying to reach these people, it's an effort in futility.
Fox News and all the rest of the wingnut media doesn't convert/convince anyone of anything. It's a closed feedback loop, they just reinforce what they already think they know. These people are to dumb to understand that people like Rupert Murdoch actually don't give a shit about them and their politics. Murdoch stuck his finger in the air, fealt the wind blowing to the right and built an empire to sell the rubes pickup trucks and laundry soap.
My sympathies, jollo, I live in Atlanta
My sympathies, jollo, I live in Atlanta
Jollo,
There is a percentage of the people that are unreachable but it is not 51%. There were also some die hard Nazis in Germany (and elsewhere) that were/are beyond reach, but I do not believe it is a majority in the US and certainly not a majority Globally.
I also do not believe that the strategic use of the media should be used to lessen the "us versus them" debate, because there is (and will remain) and "us versus them", and that in fact this difference should be emphasized and not diminished.
The media can be a powerful tool to amplify our voice, and to buy our own trucks and soap from organizations that we "might" have some leverage over. There was probably a time, in the not too distant past, that an argument could be made (by some) that the South would never agree to end segragation and yet segragation is now a thing of the past. Now the media was perhaps not the prime mover on this issue, but it was a significant player in creating the perception that segragation was no longer an accpetable position to hold.
The analysis above holds for just about any social issue of merit. Now we have a situation where the wingnut media is actively working to limit our rights and the MSM is impotent/unwilling to argue the other side.
Yeah if we are never going to reach some of these crazies but the message matters. If not the message then what?
Jollo,
There is a percentage of the people that are unreachable but it is not 51%. There were also some die hard Nazis in Germany (and elsewhere) that were/are beyond reach, but I do not believe it is a majority in the US and certainly not a majority Globally.
I also do not believe that the strategic use of the media should be used to lessen the "us versus them" debate, because there is (and will remain) and "us versus them", and that in fact this difference should be emphasized and not diminished.
The media can be a powerful tool to amplify our voice, and to buy our own trucks and soap from organizations that we "might" have some leverage over. There was probably a time, in the not too distant past, that an argument could be made (by some) that the South would never agree to end segragation and yet segragation is now a thing of the past. Now the media was perhaps not the prime mover on this issue, but it was a significant player in creating the perception that segragation was no longer an accpetable position to hold.
The analysis above holds for just about any social issue of merit. Now we have a situation where the wingnut media is actively working to limit our rights and the MSM is impotent/unwilling to argue the other side.
Yeah if we are never going to reach some of these crazies but the message matters. If not the message then what?
Would you please look at the numbers?
Tena | Email | Homepage | 11.28.04 - 12:26 pm | #
Tena could you please clarify your comments? For some reason I looked at my posts and yours and didn't see a connection. Perhaps it's the cold I got from all the relatives this past weekend but if you could clarify what you were referring to I would love to answer in some sensible manner which you might appreciate.
MYOB'
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Would you please look at the numbers?
Tena | Email | Homepage | 11.28.04 - 12:26 pm | #
Tena could you please clarify your comments? For some reason I looked at my posts and yours and didn't see a connection. Perhaps it's the cold I got from all the relatives this past weekend but if you could clarify what you were referring to I would love to answer in some sensible manner which you might appreciate.
MYOB'
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Roberta,
Howdy from Athens.
Cochise,
I understand what you are saying and to some extent I agree. It would be nice to have a media outlet to call home. On the other hand we have some things on PBS and now Air America on radio and lots of good things on the internet.
I guess I'm trying to say that I think all the talk about reaching out to the other side is the wrong tactic. I never hear Republicans doing anything but speaking to their base. As a liberal, every time I hear a Republican speak here is what I hear, "fuck you".
We need to stop going on Fox News and trying to explain ourselves. I can't think of anyone I know that watches Fox News that is not already a diehard Republican. What's the point of supplying entertainment to these people? Imagine how hollow Fox News would seem if there were no Democrats on their shows, ever.
I think as Dems we need to articulate what we believe in and quit acting guilty or apologetic. We need to quit trying to be Repulican lite or Republicrats or whatever. It's a complete waste of time to try to reason with people that regard us as space aliens. We have to be what we are or we lose the other 49%.
Don't kid yourself about the south accepting integration. It hasn't happened. They were forced to comply with the law by the National Guard. They still haven't "accepted" shit.
Roberta,
Howdy from Athens.
Cochise,
I understand what you are saying and to some extent I agree. It would be nice to have a media outlet to call home. On the other hand we have some things on PBS and now Air America on radio and lots of good things on the internet.
I guess I'm trying to say that I think all the talk about reaching out to the other side is the wrong tactic. I never hear Republicans doing anything but speaking to their base. As a liberal, every time I hear a Republican speak here is what I hear, "fuck you".
We need to stop going on Fox News and trying to explain ourselves. I can't think of anyone I know that watches Fox News that is not already a diehard Republican. What's the point of supplying entertainment to these people? Imagine how hollow Fox News would seem if there were no Democrats on their shows, ever.
I think as Dems we need to articulate what we believe in and quit acting guilty or apologetic. We need to quit trying to be Repulican lite or Republicrats or whatever. It's a complete waste of time to try to reason with people that regard us as space aliens. We have to be what we are or we lose the other 49%.
Don't kid yourself about the south accepting integration. It hasn't happened. They were forced to comply with the law by the National Guard. They still haven't "accepted" shit.
these moronic dipshits in congress and their bushit admin enablers are just the latest gang of thugs not to have read the Constitution...their bleating about their power to change anything is so much bullshit for the dummies back home...these home values holy moly assholes don't have a clue as to how close they are to the KKK...i mean the black baptists and the very white
born agains are the new klan...they have traded sheets for cheesey hair dos and sunday go to meeting clothes but underneath they're the same old song...the FREEDOM FROM RELIGION IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO AMERICA AS THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION...time to buy shotgun shells and canned food...
it's a good day for something...
these moronic dipshits in congress and their bushit admin enablers are just the latest gang of thugs not to have read the Constitution...their bleating about their power to change anything is so much bullshit for the dummies back home...these home values holy moly assholes don't have a clue as to how close they are to the KKK...i mean the black baptists and the very white
born agains are the new klan...they have traded sheets for cheesey hair dos and sunday go to meeting clothes but underneath they're the same old song...the FREEDOM FROM RELIGION IS JUST AS IMPORTANT TO AMERICA AS THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION...time to buy shotgun shells and canned food...
it's a good day for something...
More proof, here, that liberals hate America, and that I and the rest of us who voted for values and WON will not be taken down by a few loudmouthed activists. USA!
More proof, here, that liberals hate America, and that I and the rest of us who voted for values and WON will not be taken down by a few loudmouthed activists. USA!
I say, "Let 'em rip it to shreds!"...the Constitution, that is.
Personally, I want the whole gang to go as far right as possible. They've been going so slowly for too long. Time for the bold measures. Let them have their day. It's probably the only way the country is going to wake up and see them for what they are.
The other side benefit is a civil war within the Republican Party. If nothing else, it'll at least be entertaining.
I say, "Let 'em rip it to shreds!"...the Constitution, that is.
Personally, I want the whole gang to go as far right as possible. They've been going so slowly for too long. Time for the bold measures. Let them have their day. It's probably the only way the country is going to wake up and see them for what they are.
The other side benefit is a civil war within the Republican Party. If nothing else, it'll at least be entertaining.
Interestingly enough, Bob Aderholt, one of the congressmen in that article, who has built his career on the Ten Commandments and "protecting" the Boy Scouts, is widely known in Alabama GOP circles to be gay. Really, really gay.
Maybe it's time for a good outing.
Interestingly enough, Bob Aderholt, one of the congressmen in that article, who has built his career on the Ten Commandments and "protecting" the Boy Scouts, is widely known in Alabama GOP circles to be gay. Really, really gay.
Maybe it's time for a good outing.
Congress can basically do whatever it wants to all federal courts except the SCOTUS. While the SCOTUS makes the rules for the courts, it is Congress that created the federal system under them and Congress that could take it away.
It would be a disaster of course, but they would have a much harder time trying to manage state law.
Congress can basically do whatever it wants to all federal courts except the SCOTUS. While the SCOTUS makes the rules for the courts, it is Congress that created the federal system under them and Congress that could take it away.
It would be a disaster of course, but they would have a much harder time trying to manage state law.
Maybe it's time for a good outing.
Yes.
Yes, it is.
Maybe it's time for a good outing.
Yes.
Yes, it is.
Ah, yes, Constitutional absolutism is wonderful.
The Christian Constitution is perfect as written, except for a few necessary improvements.
Almost sounds like something Mark Twain might have said.
Ah, yes, Constitutional absolutism is wonderful.
The Christian Constitution is perfect as written, except for a few necessary improvements.
Almost sounds like something Mark Twain might have said.
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