I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

GravatarHowler's take on America's millionaire media is so right-the-fxck on.


GravatarHowler's take on America's millionaire media is so right-the-fxck on.


GravatarThose workers had it comin' -- all wanting to get paid and stuff.

Thank God that courageous Grover Cleveland was our President.


GravatarThose workers had it comin' -- all wanting to get paid and stuff.

Thank God that courageous Grover Cleveland was our President.


GravatarWALLACE: I begin the chapter on him, called “Constitution be damned:” “Grover Cleveland once killed a man. Two, actually. Of course, they`d already been sentenced to death. As sheriff of Erie County, New York, to avoid wasting government money on a hiring a hangman, he simply hanged the men himself.”

Only two? What did the men say before he killed them?

"Please don't kill me" Cleveland sarcasticly whined with pout on his face.


GravatarWALLACE: I begin the chapter on him, called “Constitution be damned:” “Grover Cleveland once killed a man. Two, actually. Of course, they`d already been sentenced to death. As sheriff of Erie County, New York, to avoid wasting government money on a hiring a hangman, he simply hanged the men himself.”

Only two? What did the men say before he killed them?

"Please don't kill me" Cleveland sarcasticly whined with pout on his face.


GravatarThe final paragraph locks it-Wallace had no idea what had been written for him.


GravatarThe final paragraph locks it-Wallace had no idea what had been written for him.


GravatarBoy, was that scary. On top of all that, he doesn't even have a source for any of his stories cause its all been ghost written for him. How pathetic.


GravatarBoy, was that scary. On top of all that, he doesn't even have a source for any of his stories cause its all been ghost written for him. How pathetic.


GravatarAlready OT: from the article on Novak's Ethics Freezone:


The vast majority of right-leaning talking heads and columnists came up either through politics (such as Tony Blankley, Newt Gingrich's former communications director and now editorial-page editor of The Washington Times) or through right-wing think tanks (such as Jonah Goldberg, who began his career at the American Enterprise Institute)

I thought Jonah began his career in his mother's birth canal?


GravatarAlready OT: from the article on Novak's Ethics Freezone:


The vast majority of right-leaning talking heads and columnists came up either through politics (such as Tony Blankley, Newt Gingrich's former communications director and now editorial-page editor of The Washington Times) or through right-wing think tanks (such as Jonah Goldberg, who began his career at the American Enterprise Institute)

I thought Jonah began his career in his mother's birth canal?


GravatarGood. Fucking. God.

If I were Mike Wallace I'd be wishing I'd strangled him at birth.

That's possibly the most vapid thing I've ever heard.

Oh wait. We're in the bushie years. Okay, it's the most vapid thing I've heard today.


GravatarGood. Fucking. God.

If I were Mike Wallace I'd be wishing I'd strangled him at birth.

That's possibly the most vapid thing I've ever heard.

Oh wait. We're in the bushie years. Okay, it's the most vapid thing I've heard today.


GravatarWallace works for Fox, right?


GravatarWallace works for Fox, right?


GravatarGood thing Chicken Caesar doesn't read, otherwise he'd get a hankerin' to push in the needle at an execution himself.


GravatarGood thing Chicken Caesar doesn't read, otherwise he'd get a hankerin' to push in the needle at an execution himself.


GravatarBTW, where are the kitties?

Must have kitties soon. SOON I tell ya, or we shall die. DIE from lack of kitty blogging.




Sorry. It was either that or most unattractive begging.


GravatarBTW, where are the kitties?

Must have kitties soon. SOON I tell ya, or we shall die. DIE from lack of kitty blogging.




Sorry. It was either that or most unattractive begging.


GravatarThere on the first page of the book!

Copyright 2004 Chris Waglalan.


GravatarThere on the first page of the book!

Copyright 2004 Chris Waglalan.


Gravatar I thought Jonah began his career in his mother's birth canal?


Please. I just had lunch.


Gravatar I thought Jonah began his career in his mother's birth canal?


Please. I just had lunch.


GravatarAnyhoo, I'm pretty sure Jonah was hatched.


Gravatarfourlegs; requisite cat blog at homepage.


GravatarAnyhoo, I'm pretty sure Jonah was hatched.


Gravatarfourlegs; requisite cat blog at homepage.


Gravatarfour legs good -

have you gotten a kitty yet? waiting for baby pics...


Gravatarfour legs good -

have you gotten a kitty yet? waiting for baby pics...


Gravatarflg,

Careful, a troll might call you pussy-whipped. ;^)


Gravatarflg,

Careful, a troll might call you pussy-whipped. ;^)


GravatarThere on the first page of the book!

Copyright 2004 Chris Waglalan.
jps


That's some funny shit. Nothing like a well-timed callback.


GravatarThere on the first page of the book!

Copyright 2004 Chris Waglalan.
jps


That's some funny shit. Nothing like a well-timed callback.


GravatarYou know, usually when you are willing to attach your name to something, that means you're willing to stand by it and put your own credibility on the line as it being your own interpretation of events.

He doesn't even have a clue what the source was for one of his most wild allegations.

And you know, I'm betting if you asked Mr. Wallace if there were any casualties from President Cleveland sending in troops to quell the labor uprising.

http://balta.blogspot.com


GravatarYou know, usually when you are willing to attach your name to something, that means you're willing to stand by it and put your own credibility on the line as it being your own interpretation of events.

He doesn't even have a clue what the source was for one of his most wild allegations.

And you know, I'm betting if you asked Mr. Wallace if there were any casualties from President Cleveland sending in troops to quell the labor uprising.

http://balta.blogspot.com


GravatarNow I know why they just loved those stories of Allawi (Iraq PM) killing people by his own hand. Reminded them of the good old days.

And nothing ever happened to Cleveland, right? People have these weird expectations that just because a president violates the constitution that bad things happen to him. The country has survived before.


GravatarNow I know why they just loved those stories of Allawi (Iraq PM) killing people by his own hand. Reminded them of the good old days.

And nothing ever happened to Cleveland, right? People have these weird expectations that just because a president violates the constitution that bad things happen to him. The country has survived before.


GravatarI can't help but think of Frank Sinatra Jr. every time I see Chris Wallace.


GravatarI can't help but think of Frank Sinatra Jr. every time I see Chris Wallace.


GravatarWords fail me.


GravatarWhat uplifting stories, I almost cried. It makes me want to hang wingnuts so I too can save the taxpayers money.


GravatarWords fail me.


GravatarWhat uplifting stories, I almost cried. It makes me want to hang wingnuts so I too can save the taxpayers money.


GravatarThe country has survived before.

Sure, it's just a question of what sort of state it's in when it emerges.

"Knackered" may well be it unless Bush has a change of heart (or career).


GravatarThe country has survived before.

Sure, it's just a question of what sort of state it's in when it emerges.

"Knackered" may well be it unless Bush has a change of heart (or career).


GravatarDamn that ... evil labor movement! Getting people all riled up over pay and benefits. Must ... send ... in ... troops ... now!!!!!!


GravatarDamn that ... evil labor movement! Getting people all riled up over pay and benefits. Must ... send ... in ... troops ... now!!!!!!


GravatarFunny. I think of Nancy Sinatra when I see Chris Wallace.


GravatarFunny. I think of Nancy Sinatra when I see Chris Wallace.


GravatarI actually saw that interview. It was appalling, to say the least.

Wallace is not only a hack, he's a sadistic asshole.


GravatarI actually saw that interview. It was appalling, to say the least.

Wallace is not only a hack, he's a sadistic asshole.


GravatarI can't help but think of Frank Sinatra Jr. every time I see Chris Wallace.
brucds


That's a hoot.


GravatarI can't help but think of Frank Sinatra Jr. every time I see Chris Wallace.
brucds


That's a hoot.


GravatarThat was one hell of an inspiring tale of presidential grit. Bringing the US military in on the behalf of the richest people in the country. God, the man was over a hundred years ahead of his time.


GravatarThat was one hell of an inspiring tale of presidential grit. Bringing the US military in on the behalf of the richest people in the country. God, the man was over a hundred years ahead of his time.


GravatarJenny, not yet. Working too much to deal with baby kitties.

Don't worry- I will spam you guys unmercilessly with baby pictures when the time comes.


GravatarJenny, not yet. Working too much to deal with baby kitties.

Don't worry- I will spam you guys unmercilessly with baby pictures when the time comes.


GravatarOT- Pentagon okesma DiRita (anagram for 'A Dirti' ) is discussing the disclosure of emails at pentagon that has other's replies on it.

So fishing emails and a person's response is the new pentagon strategy.

Do not be scared- the response people to be outed will be repubs who are bowing to war pressure to gtfo of Oilraq.


GravatarOT- Pentagon okesma DiRita (anagram for 'A Dirti' ) is discussing the disclosure of emails at pentagon that has other's replies on it.

So fishing emails and a person's response is the new pentagon strategy.

Do not be scared- the response people to be outed will be repubs who are bowing to war pressure to gtfo of Oilraq.


GravatarWhere I come from, you'd be fired for not, um, knowing what you're doing.


GravatarWhere I come from, you'd be fired for not, um, knowing what you're doing.


GravatarMust have kitties soon. SOON I tell ya, or we shall die. DIE from lack of kitty blogging.

Hopefully, this will tide you over!


GravatarMust have kitties soon. SOON I tell ya, or we shall die. DIE from lack of kitty blogging.

Hopefully, this will tide you over!


GravatarWell, on the other hand, you'll notice both the examples cited in the article concerned Democrats. So no one can possibly accuse him of not being fair and balanced.
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GravatarWell, on the other hand, you'll notice both the examples cited in the article concerned Democrats. So no one can possibly accuse him of not being fair and balanced.
..


GravatarWow.

OMG.

I am speechless.

The couragous preznit ignored the Constitution, ignored law, and send in the army to kill workers who after working all month owed money to the company.


Hmmmmmm...if the Reps get this reality in about 2008 then look at the bright side - at least the jobs will stay here, and not go to China, India, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, etc etc etc...


GravatarWow.

OMG.

I am speechless.

The couragous preznit ignored the Constitution, ignored law, and send in the army to kill workers who after working all month owed money to the company.


Hmmmmmm...if the Reps get this reality in about 2008 then look at the bright side - at least the jobs will stay here, and not go to China, India, Taiwan, Eastern Europe, etc etc etc...


GravatarI actually saw that interview. It was appalling, to say the least.

Stinky
What was the reaction of the interviewer, did he just sit there and nod his head and smile pleasantly?


GravatarI actually saw that interview. It was appalling, to say the least.

Stinky
What was the reaction of the interviewer, did he just sit there and nod his head and smile pleasantly?


Gravatar"What uplifting stories, I almost cried. It makes me want to hang wingnuts so I too can save the taxpayers money."

That's some funny shit, AB.

Now, how long before some whiny troll starts in here with, "Liberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans, waaaaaahhhh"....


Gravatar"What uplifting stories, I almost cried. It makes me want to hang wingnuts so I too can save the taxpayers money."

That's some funny shit, AB.

Now, how long before some whiny troll starts in here with, "Liberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans, waaaaaahhhh"....


GravatarPublishing insiders would expect the worst as soon as the dreaded agent Bill Adler's name came up. For 40+ years he has been the reigning schlockmeister, the unchallenged master of the nonbook. I think his career started with "The Kennedy Wit" and the innovative ideas just keep coming. Wallace's book fits in beautifully.


GravatarPublishing insiders would expect the worst as soon as the dreaded agent Bill Adler's name came up. For 40+ years he has been the reigning schlockmeister, the unchallenged master of the nonbook. I think his career started with "The Kennedy Wit" and the innovative ideas just keep coming. Wallace's book fits in beautifully.


GravatarCareful, a troll might call you pussy-whipped. ;^)


I've been called worse and survived.


gonzo, thanks. Kitties AND puppies and a BIRDIE!!

groovy.


GravatarCareful, a troll might call you pussy-whipped. ;^)


I've been called worse and survived.


gonzo, thanks. Kitties AND puppies and a BIRDIE!!

groovy.


GravatarSpokesman* RUmmy has a new troll at the Pentagoon...


GravatarSpokesman* RUmmy has a new troll at the Pentagoon...


GravatarFour Legs Good -

Looking forward. By the way, I adopted a two-year old from a shelter last year, because she looked so pathetic and really was desperate for a home and its been the most wonderful experience.

As cute as kittens are, the slightly older cats really are great too. They show their appreciation and you get to see their temperment right away. It's amazing how they cope with the stress of being possibly abused and definitely cooped up with no love for a while. You know how great they are to have come through all that and still be so sweet and loving...

Whatever you get, when you're ready, please drown us in pics!


GravatarFour Legs Good -

Looking forward. By the way, I adopted a two-year old from a shelter last year, because she looked so pathetic and really was desperate for a home and its been the most wonderful experience.

As cute as kittens are, the slightly older cats really are great too. They show their appreciation and you get to see their temperment right away. It's amazing how they cope with the stress of being possibly abused and definitely cooped up with no love for a while. You know how great they are to have come through all that and still be so sweet and loving...

Whatever you get, when you're ready, please drown us in pics!


GravatarYeah, we gots a regular Ark over here.


GravatarYeah, we gots a regular Ark over here.


GravatarI thought Jonah began his career in his mother's birth canal?
I thought the waste from the love canal was destroyed.


GravatarI thought Jonah began his career in his mother's birth canal?
I thought the waste from the love canal was destroyed.


Gravatardave, I saw your kitty this morning. He's still cute.


GravatarThis book sounds like it's down there with Bernard Kerik's book about his time on NYPD and 9/11 and what a hero he is, and all that... some tripe written by a committee of agents and editors.

For public consumption but not to be swallowed.

That said, most 4th graders can come up with a better presidential anectdote!


Gravatardave, I saw your kitty this morning. He's still cute.


GravatarThis book sounds like it's down there with Bernard Kerik's book about his time on NYPD and 9/11 and what a hero he is, and all that... some tripe written by a committee of agents and editors.

For public consumption but not to be swallowed.

That said, most 4th graders can come up with a better presidential anectdote!


GravatarI thought the waste from the love canal was destroyed.
Spinoza


It's ALIVE, it's ALIVE!!


Run for your lives!


GravatarI thought the waste from the love canal was destroyed.
Spinoza


It's ALIVE, it's ALIVE!!


Run for your lives!


GravatarGrover Cleveland. . . who, as I say, was a huge friend of labor, felt that the nation`s security was in jeopardy. And he really went against the Constitution . . . at the time

Who knew a muppet wielded such power?


GravatarGrover Cleveland. . . who, as I say, was a huge friend of labor, felt that the nation`s security was in jeopardy. And he really went against the Constitution . . . at the time

Who knew a muppet wielded such power?


GravatarDon't worry- I will spam you guys unmercilessly with baby pictures when the time comes.
four legs good


I kept meaning to ask you if you got a new kitty FLG, I guess this answers the question.


GravatarDon't worry- I will spam you guys unmercilessly with baby pictures when the time comes.
four legs good


I kept meaning to ask you if you got a new kitty FLG, I guess this answers the question.


GravatarI don't know why these pathetic Dems don't just log on to Eschaton, they can inhabit the same fantasy world:

"Twenty John Kerry supporters met for their first group therapy session in South Florida Thursday, screaming epithets at President Bush as they shared their emotions with licensed mental health counselors," reports the Boca Raton (Fla.) News. "The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST)."

"If I had a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and these people wanted to throw darts at it, I would let them do it," Robert J. Gordon, AHA executive director, told the Boca News after the session. "It's no joke. People with PEST were traumatized by the election. If you even mention religion, their faces turn blister-red as they shout at Bush."


"I want to be a patriot, but it's impossible to be a patriot in an immoral war," said another participant, a woman. "Bush is breaking up marriages and dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq."


"The media outlets, especially Rush Limbaugh and his ilk on talk radio, scare our patients to death," said Gordon, facilitator for the meetings. "More than anything else, people with PEST tremble physically."


"We mostly let them vent during the first session," Gordon said. "By the third session, we'll be doing some meditation exercises to aid some of their symptoms. We may use visualization and some techniques designed for bipolar disease and other mental disorders. That might help them adjust to reality."


There's an overall sense of emotional helplessness and abandonment," said Sheila Cooperman, a licensed AHA psychotherapist from Delray Beach. "In psychology, we call it 'learned helplessness.' After you zap a caged dog twice, he stops moving because he knows there is no place to go. That's what happened with these Kerry voters. They've been zapped so many times that they're on the verge of giving up on politics."


Cooperman, also a practicing psychic, added, "One person today said he thinks the country is now run by fascists. Another felt personally threatened by the president's love for big business. Many believe Bush is going to draft their grandchildren. The anxiety may not affect them every day, but it affects their energy level."


"These people talk about the 2000 election being stolen," Gordon said. "They talk about Theresa LePore and the Ohio recount. They feel it's the 'Right House,' not the White House. They feel the world is not safe with George W. Bush as president. They spewed out a lot of anger. They are angry at the Democratic Party for being aimless and leaderless. They have a right to these feelings."


GravatarI don't know why these pathetic Dems don't just log on to Eschaton, they can inhabit the same fantasy world:

"Twenty John Kerry supporters met for their first group therapy session in South Florida Thursday, screaming epithets at President Bush as they shared their emotions with licensed mental health counselors," reports the Boca Raton (Fla.) News. "The first of several free noontime therapy sessions at the American Health Association in Boca Raton was designed to treat what mental health counselors have dubbed Post Election Selection Trauma (PEST)."

"If I had a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and these people wanted to throw darts at it, I would let them do it," Robert J. Gordon, AHA executive director, told the Boca News after the session. "It's no joke. People with PEST were traumatized by the election. If you even mention religion, their faces turn blister-red as they shout at Bush."


"I want to be a patriot, but it's impossible to be a patriot in an immoral war," said another participant, a woman. "Bush is breaking up marriages and dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq."


"The media outlets, especially Rush Limbaugh and his ilk on talk radio, scare our patients to death," said Gordon, facilitator for the meetings. "More than anything else, people with PEST tremble physically."


"We mostly let them vent during the first session," Gordon said. "By the third session, we'll be doing some meditation exercises to aid some of their symptoms. We may use visualization and some techniques designed for bipolar disease and other mental disorders. That might help them adjust to reality."


There's an overall sense of emotional helplessness and abandonment," said Sheila Cooperman, a licensed AHA psychotherapist from Delray Beach. "In psychology, we call it 'learned helplessness.' After you zap a caged dog twice, he stops moving because he knows there is no place to go. That's what happened with these Kerry voters. They've been zapped so many times that they're on the verge of giving up on politics."


Cooperman, also a practicing psychic, added, "One person today said he thinks the country is now run by fascists. Another felt personally threatened by the president's love for big business. Many believe Bush is going to draft their grandchildren. The anxiety may not affect them every day, but it affects their energy level."


"These people talk about the 2000 election being stolen," Gordon said. "They talk about Theresa LePore and the Ohio recount. They feel it's the 'Right House,' not the White House. They feel the world is not safe with George W. Bush as president. They spewed out a lot of anger. They are angry at the Democratic Party for being aimless and leaderless. They have a right to these feelings."


GravatarJenny, older kitties are nice, but I'm jonesing for a couple of little guys. There's nothing funnier than watching a kitten grow up as they learn how to be cats.

My dearly departed maine coon figured out how to spit one day and then diligently practiced on everyone he could find for two weeks straight.

He'd jump up on you, march up your chest and perch on your should then... 'SPAT" right in the face. Then he'd run away sideways.


GravatarJenny, older kitties are nice, but I'm jonesing for a couple of little guys. There's nothing funnier than watching a kitten grow up as they learn how to be cats.

My dearly departed maine coon figured out how to spit one day and then diligently practiced on everyone he could find for two weeks straight.

He'd jump up on you, march up your chest and perch on your should then... 'SPAT" right in the face. Then he'd run away sideways.


GravatarAs I recall, labor organizers at some of the rallies that degenerated into riots were taken out and hanged.

That was not America.

.


GravatarAs I recall, labor organizers at some of the rallies that degenerated into riots were taken out and hanged.

That was not America.

.


GravatarAmerica - love it, or we'll send in the troops and make you love it.

Oh, and when I say "America", of course I mean "business owners".

But you knew that.


GravatarAmerica - love it, or we'll send in the troops and make you love it.

Oh, and when I say "America", of course I mean "business owners".

But you knew that.


GravatarRandom House, which published his book, is a Murdock operation.

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GravatarRandom House, which published his book, is a Murdock operation.

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Gravatarfour legs -

true. nothing like a kitten. absolutely nothing as cute.

great that you're thinking of getting two!


GravatarBernard Kerik

(cough, cough)fascist asshole(cough)(cough)....


Gravatarfour legs -

true. nothing like a kitten. absolutely nothing as cute.

great that you're thinking of getting two!


GravatarBernard Kerik

(cough, cough)fascist asshole(cough)(cough)....


GravatarAs I recall, labor organizers at some of the rallies that degenerated into riots were taken out and hanged.

That was not America.


But it is now! Whooooo-WEE!


GravatarAs I recall, labor organizers at some of the rallies that degenerated into riots were taken out and hanged.

That was not America.


But it is now! Whooooo-WEE!


GravatarOh Hi Walter C? Liddy sit on your face again last night?


GravatarOh Hi Walter C? Liddy sit on your face again last night?


GravatarThe bar is so low now that it has become an imaginary line bisecting the center of the Earth.


GravatarThe bar is so low now that it has become an imaginary line bisecting the center of the Earth.


GravatarThe more I think about it, the more I want to barf on these people.

Seriously, his idea of a "profile in courage" is doing something unconstitutional?

What a fucking jerkoff. No wonder this country is so fucked up.


GravatarThe more I think about it, the more I want to barf on these people.

Seriously, his idea of a "profile in courage" is doing something unconstitutional?

What a fucking jerkoff. No wonder this country is so fucked up.


GravatarWalter! They let you out of de-homosexiffying camp! (Or did you escape?)


GravatarWalter! They let you out of de-homosexiffying camp! (Or did you escape?)


GravatarAbout the workers owing money to the company after working all month, we have a modern methodology for that:

Credit Cards.


How do you say "Debt Will Set You Free" in German?


GravatarAbout the workers owing money to the company after working all month, we have a modern methodology for that:

Credit Cards.


How do you say "Debt Will Set You Free" in German?


GravatarHoly fucking shit.

No wonder Chris Wallace likes Nero so much... Yet another "President" who has no respect for the Constitution, the law, or America.

Yeah, that's courageous.

What an ass...


GravatarHoly fucking shit.

No wonder Chris Wallace likes Nero so much... Yet another "President" who has no respect for the Constitution, the law, or America.

Yeah, that's courageous.

What an ass...


GravatarWhen is PBS gonna dumb the hasn't-been-funny-for-years Mark Russel and give Somerby his own show.


GravatarWhen is PBS gonna dumb the hasn't-been-funny-for-years Mark Russel and give Somerby his own show.


GravatarOh Hi Walter C? Liddy sit on your face again last night?

Yeah they were engaged in breath play, and Walter lost the remaining 3 cells in his cerebral cortex.


GravatarOh Hi Walter C? Liddy sit on your face again last night?

Yeah they were engaged in breath play, and Walter lost the remaining 3 cells in his cerebral cortex.


GravatarAbsolutely nobody home behind that vacuous stare of his.

This property is condemned.


GravatarAbsolutely nobody home behind that vacuous stare of his.

This property is condemned.


Gravatar"Bush is breaking up marriages and dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq."

Yeah, what kind of kooky fantasy-world is that woman living in?

Everyone knows that constantly extended tours of duty, and the huge emotional stresses attendent upon them, hold families together better than anything but Jeebus himself.


Gravatar"Bush is breaking up marriages and dividing families by keeping our troops in Iraq."

Yeah, what kind of kooky fantasy-world is that woman living in?

Everyone knows that constantly extended tours of duty, and the huge emotional stresses attendent upon them, hold families together better than anything but Jeebus himself.


GravatarSaid "millionaire pundits" are part and parcel of America's "royalty".
They sit at the top of the income pyramid and whine about the view.
And Mad Prince Dubbaya, legacy member, sees to it staying that way.
So we have royals reporting on royals screwing royals.
There's no such thing as "enought" for these people.
Not enough land
Not enough money
Not enough attention.
No matter how much royalty has, they must have more.
It is their due.
We OWE it to them.
I mean, what are peasants for?


GravatarSaid "millionaire pundits" are part and parcel of America's "royalty".
They sit at the top of the income pyramid and whine about the view.
And Mad Prince Dubbaya, legacy member, sees to it staying that way.
So we have royals reporting on royals screwing royals.
There's no such thing as "enought" for these people.
Not enough land
Not enough money
Not enough attention.
No matter how much royalty has, they must have more.
It is their due.
We OWE it to them.
I mean, what are peasants for?


GravatarIt's all a joke to these people. They have the power so they don't care about the little people, the workers, the soldiers. A commenter over at first draft says the National Archives is selling a mug--

"The Disappearing Civil Liberties Mug--Watch Your civil liberties disappear over a hot cup of Joe!" In fact the mug is printed with the Bill of Rights, various sections of which disappear when hot liquid is in the mug. First to go is the Fourth Amendment, then the First, then the Fifth and Sixth, ...etc. etc. The Second, Third and Tenth remain. The Seventh remains except for the part guaranteeing right of trial by jury. Etc. Finally, the mug notes it is "Brought to you by The Patriot Act."

I hope s/he was kidding, but somehow I think s/he's not.


GravatarIt's all a joke to these people. They have the power so they don't care about the little people, the workers, the soldiers. A commenter over at first draft says the National Archives is selling a mug--

"The Disappearing Civil Liberties Mug--Watch Your civil liberties disappear over a hot cup of Joe!" In fact the mug is printed with the Bill of Rights, various sections of which disappear when hot liquid is in the mug. First to go is the Fourth Amendment, then the First, then the Fifth and Sixth, ...etc. etc. The Second, Third and Tenth remain. The Seventh remains except for the part guaranteeing right of trial by jury. Etc. Finally, the mug notes it is "Brought to you by The Patriot Act."

I hope s/he was kidding, but somehow I think s/he's not.


GravatarThe vilification of the powerless working class gives them major wood.


GravatarThe vilification of the powerless working class gives them major wood.


GravatarNice of the trolls to visit.


GravatarNice of the trolls to visit.


GravatarHoly monkey flinging crap!

Are they evil or stupid? A mix? Stupid tools of brilliant evil?

Help me out, I'm just trying to understand.


GravatarHoly monkey flinging crap!

Are they evil or stupid? A mix? Stupid tools of brilliant evil?

Help me out, I'm just trying to understand.


GravatarHow do you say "Debt Will Set You Free" in German?
cheney_usa


"Schuld macht frei," I believe.


GravatarHow do you say "Debt Will Set You Free" in German?
cheney_usa


"Schuld macht frei," I believe.


GravatarWalter, a reminder of your tryst with Liddy: [a href="http://www.realchange.org/edole.jpg"] whipping up miracles[/a]


GravatarWalter, a reminder of your tryst with Liddy: [a href="http://www.realchange.org/edole.jpg"] whipping up miracles[/a]


GravatarMy son, when he was about 6, said he wanted to change his name to be the same as mine (of course I got all teary at the compliment). But I told him, "No, you are your own person, you are not a copy of me." Even though he looks exactly like me.

In other words, I want him to have his own adventures and mistakes and successes.

Shit, everybody hates reruns.

I guess I expect more of my kid than Mike Wallace ever did of his.

Not that Mike Wallace is so great. C'mon, really folks.


GravatarMy son, when he was about 6, said he wanted to change his name to be the same as mine (of course I got all teary at the compliment). But I told him, "No, you are your own person, you are not a copy of me." Even though he looks exactly like me.

In other words, I want him to have his own adventures and mistakes and successes.

Shit, everybody hates reruns.

I guess I expect more of my kid than Mike Wallace ever did of his.

Not that Mike Wallace is so great. C'mon, really folks.


GravatarWildebeest,

en FUEGO!


GravatarWildebeest,

en FUEGO!


GravatarHilarious as Cleveland's corporatism was, the $R really laughed their asses off when TR came along and handed the corporate trusts THEIR ASS.

That's why I now consider TR a Democrat.

After all, he abandoned the party when Taft ran for reelection, and a Bull Moose is not an R.

TR spent months traveling through the Sierras with John Muir. Then he went to DC and created the national parks system.

I also think that Abraham Lincoln is a Democrat. This has gotten recent support from Bushies who think that the Little Genocidist is the 2nd greatest prez in the history of the country! Numero Uno is some pizza named Ronald Reagan, or Andrew Jackson, I'm not sure which-- but it sure ain't Lincoln.

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Lamb is a winger. Several times during the evil runup to the invasion, CSPAN went down because the protests scored, and Lamb couldn't handle it. Suddenly all they had on were ten year old Booknotes and replays of AEI propaganda.

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GravatarHilarious as Cleveland's corporatism was, the $R really laughed their asses off when TR came along and handed the corporate trusts THEIR ASS.

That's why I now consider TR a Democrat.

After all, he abandoned the party when Taft ran for reelection, and a Bull Moose is not an R.

TR spent months traveling through the Sierras with John Muir. Then he went to DC and created the national parks system.

I also think that Abraham Lincoln is a Democrat. This has gotten recent support from Bushies who think that the Little Genocidist is the 2nd greatest prez in the history of the country! Numero Uno is some pizza named Ronald Reagan, or Andrew Jackson, I'm not sure which-- but it sure ain't Lincoln.

-

Lamb is a winger. Several times during the evil runup to the invasion, CSPAN went down because the protests scored, and Lamb couldn't handle it. Suddenly all they had on were ten year old Booknotes and replays of AEI propaganda.

--


GravatarNever mind that last post. Screwed. it. up. Too busy to fix it.


GravatarNever mind that last post. Screwed. it. up. Too busy to fix it.


GravatarUmmm,
not to be, ya know, HISTORICAL or anything, but there was a pretty consistent labor movement right through the teens and 20's. Else why weer all those Pinkertons shooting coal miners? Target practice? Getting ready for the Depression and the War?


GravatarUmmm,
not to be, ya know, HISTORICAL or anything, but there was a pretty consistent labor movement right through the teens and 20's. Else why weer all those Pinkertons shooting coal miners? Target practice? Getting ready for the Depression and the War?


GravatarI am recommending Chris Wallace immediately for the position of chairman, chief executive officer and leader of Billionaires for Bush. They have been looking for such a figurehead since they were founded. What a coup!


GravatarI am recommending Chris Wallace immediately for the position of chairman, chief executive officer and leader of Billionaires for Bush. They have been looking for such a figurehead since they were founded. What a coup!


GravatarVicki-Omigod, that picture of Liddy "Santorum" Dole has another one of those aliens-who-look-like microphones getting mamma juice from one of her teats.


GravatarVicki-Omigod, that picture of Liddy "Santorum" Dole has another one of those aliens-who-look-like microphones getting mamma juice from one of her teats.


GravatarWhich plutocrat was it said, a propos of mining strikes, "You can't mine coal without machine-guns"?

HE was an asshole, whomever he was.

Hey, I doubt anyone but the most unregenerate philosophy geek will care, but over at NewsMax they've decided that poor old Kierkegaard was one o' them there God-hatin', fag-lovin' secular humanistas!

Click my homepage for details, if you care.


GravatarWhich plutocrat was it said, a propos of mining strikes, "You can't mine coal without machine-guns"?

HE was an asshole, whomever he was.

Hey, I doubt anyone but the most unregenerate philosophy geek will care, but over at NewsMax they've decided that poor old Kierkegaard was one o' them there God-hatin', fag-lovin' secular humanistas!

Click my homepage for details, if you care.


GravatarAnyone who gives interviews about a ghost written book deserves all the derision they get.

And more!


GravatarAnyone who gives interviews about a ghost written book deserves all the derision they get.

And more!


Gravatarover at NewsMax they've decided that poor old Kierkegaard was one o' them there God-hatin', fag-lovin' secular humanistas!

Cool! I love those!


Gravatarover at NewsMax they've decided that poor old Kierkegaard was one o' them there God-hatin', fag-lovin' secular humanistas!

Cool! I love those!


GravatarI think Chris Wallace and Prince Charles must be related. "Twits" fits both of them perfectly. The CSPAN interview reads like a Monty Python sendup.


GravatarI think Chris Wallace and Prince Charles must be related. "Twits" fits both of them perfectly. The CSPAN interview reads like a Monty Python sendup.


Gravatarunions bad.

bootstraps good.

riding daddy's coattails even better.


Gravatarunions bad.

bootstraps good.

riding daddy's coattails even better.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?


GravatarAn interesting story, of course there is another guy who might just be considered more heroic -- he quit working for the railroads and started for Debs. A guy named Darrow. Might have heard of him.


GravatarAn interesting story, of course there is another guy who might just be considered more heroic -- he quit working for the railroads and started for Debs. A guy named Darrow. Might have heard of him.


GravatarAs I recall, labor organizers at some of the rallies that degenerated into riots were taken out and hanged.

That was not America


Ah, but it was. And, apparently, it will be again.

But this time around, the workers will shoot themselves as a way of showing their support for the troops.

Hell, they've already voted to do so...


GravatarAs I recall, labor organizers at some of the rallies that degenerated into riots were taken out and hanged.

That was not America


Ah, but it was. And, apparently, it will be again.

But this time around, the workers will shoot themselves as a way of showing their support for the troops.

Hell, they've already voted to do so...


GravatarOh, and Grover Cleveland was not a bad president, even with the Pullman strike breaking. Especially not compared to jerks like Benjamin Harrison, the grandson of the great land thief.

Unlike the Harrison bastards, Cleveland affirmed native-American citizenship in the USA, and also blocked Harrison's annexation of Hawaii.

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GravatarOh, and Grover Cleveland was not a bad president, even with the Pullman strike breaking. Especially not compared to jerks like Benjamin Harrison, the grandson of the great land thief.

Unlike the Harrison bastards, Cleveland affirmed native-American citizenship in the USA, and also blocked Harrison's annexation of Hawaii.

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GravatarEffective industrial workers' unions stamped out until the Great Depression?!?! What about the IWW. you have to say they were pretty significant in labor history. Also, the United Mine Workers Union became a pretty powerful organization before the 1930s, although some may not consider them an industrial union.


GravatarEffective industrial workers' unions stamped out until the Great Depression?!?! What about the IWW. you have to say they were pretty significant in labor history. Also, the United Mine Workers Union became a pretty powerful organization before the 1930s, although some may not consider them an industrial union.


GravatarKierkegaard was a European. That's all they have to know about that.


GravatarKierkegaard was a European. That's all they have to know about that.


GravatarThe best thing a president ever did was violate the Constitution? We're so screwed.


GravatarThe best thing a president ever did was violate the Constitution? We're so screwed.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?


They're not as easy to use and throw away like condoms?
.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?


They're not as easy to use and throw away like condoms?
.


GravatarPhila,
I'm only about ten tracks in, but I like it a lot....


GravatarPhila,
I'm only about ten tracks in, but I like it a lot....


GravatarGod-hatin', fag-lovin' secular humanistas!

Kinda like s'mores. Only less chocolatey.

And no, I have no idea what that means.


GravatarGod-hatin', fag-lovin' secular humanistas!

Kinda like s'mores. Only less chocolatey.

And no, I have no idea what that means.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

Secular humanists are, by definition, traitors to the Holy American Empire.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

Secular humanists are, by definition, traitors to the Holy American Empire.


GravatarIt appears the Greatest Generation had a good bit of pre-natal nicotine\alcohol\valium consumption.


GravatarIt appears the Greatest Generation had a good bit of pre-natal nicotine\alcohol\valium consumption.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

Um, cuz it sounds like something Liddy Dole does with her husband's remaining testicle?


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

Um, cuz it sounds like something Liddy Dole does with her husband's remaining testicle?


GravatarIt all reminds me of Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life. He may well be the inspiration for Monty Burns.

Alas, i am but one of the stirred-up garlic eaters, head full of a lot of nonsense....


GravatarIt all reminds me of Mr. Potter in It's a Wonderful Life. He may well be the inspiration for Monty Burns.

Alas, i am but one of the stirred-up garlic eaters, head full of a lot of nonsense....


GravatarLibby Dole sat on Walter Cronkite's face? Yum.

That'll for sure make it to my next book. I'll write that one myself. THE Walter Conkite? Nah. I don't believe it. Do I?


GravatarLibby Dole sat on Walter Cronkite's face? Yum.

That'll for sure make it to my next book. I'll write that one myself. THE Walter Conkite? Nah. I don't believe it. Do I?


GravatarAt least Reagan didn't send out the troops against the Air Traffic Controllers.

Capitalism will always have "labor strife", not to put too much of a Marxist spin on it.

But just the other day, I heard that Office Depot or some other big box, had the Xth year in a row of over 20% profit growh, and my first thought was, "So, I guess all the workers got some raises, right?"

Who knows. Just speculating.


GravatarAt least Reagan didn't send out the troops against the Air Traffic Controllers.

Capitalism will always have "labor strife", not to put too much of a Marxist spin on it.

But just the other day, I heard that Office Depot or some other big box, had the Xth year in a row of over 20% profit growh, and my first thought was, "So, I guess all the workers got some raises, right?"

Who knows. Just speculating.


GravatarVicki Stein:


What is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?


In my secular humanist household, the beef would be a medium-rare ribeye marinated overnight in Paul Newman's Italian Dressing.



GravatarVicki Stein:


What is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?


In my secular humanist household, the beef would be a medium-rare ribeye marinated overnight in Paul Newman's Italian Dressing.



Gravatarit sounds like something Liddy Dole does with her husband's remaining testicle?

Didn't they stub out cigarettes on that when he came home from the war?


Gravatarit sounds like something Liddy Dole does with her husband's remaining testicle?

Didn't they stub out cigarettes on that when he came home from the war?


GravatarNever mind that last post. Screwed. it. up. Too busy to fix it.
Vicki Stein


Try again Vicki. Remeber, use the greater-than and less-than symbols (type shift+, and shif+.) instead of the brackets.

Like this:

whipping up miracles


GravatarNever mind that last post. Screwed. it. up. Too busy to fix it.
Vicki Stein


Try again Vicki. Remeber, use the greater-than and less-than symbols (type shift+, and shif+.) instead of the brackets.

Like this:

whipping up miracles


GravatarBut just the other day, I heard that Office Depot or some other big box, had the Xth year in a row of over 20% profit growh, and my first thought was, "So, I guess all the workers got some raises, right?"

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(gulping for breath)

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Gravatarwatertiger sez:

Kinda like s'mores. Only less chocolatey.

And no, I have no idea what that means.


I do.

But I'm not tellin'.


.


GravatarBut just the other day, I heard that Office Depot or some other big box, had the Xth year in a row of over 20% profit growh, and my first thought was, "So, I guess all the workers got some raises, right?"

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

(gulping for breath)

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Gravatarwatertiger sez:

Kinda like s'mores. Only less chocolatey.

And no, I have no idea what that means.


I do.

But I'm not tellin'.


.


Gravatarfarkin' tags.


Gravatarfarkin' tags.


GravatarAnyone who gives interviews about a ghost written book deserves all the derision they get.

Well, I can't write myself, but here's what I would have said...


GravatarAnyone who gives interviews about a ghost written book deserves all the derision they get.

Well, I can't write myself, but here's what I would have said...


GravatarI realize that writing the book himself would have been too much trouble, but couldn't he have at least read it?


GravatarI realize that writing the book himself would have been too much trouble, but couldn't he have at least read it?


Gravatarwhipping up miracles

Jeebus, are those the teeth of all her victims around her neck?


Gravatarwhipping up miracles

Jeebus, are those the teeth of all her victims around her neck?


GravatarThis is a good example of why I no longer watch the Sunday news shows. The pundit class some of the time simply doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I didn't feel this way until the Internet really came of age -- the Internet is somewhat empowering.

Regarding Wallace, what the hell can we expect? This type of thing is why I support term limits -- once you've been on top for a long period of time, you inevitably take on the coloration and views of the class you're a member of. The same is true regarding making lots of money for a long period of time. I used to work with some very high paid lawyers. Talk about limosine liberals.

This is his favorite profile of presidential courage? Come on, Mike.


GravatarThis is a good example of why I no longer watch the Sunday news shows. The pundit class some of the time simply doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I didn't feel this way until the Internet really came of age -- the Internet is somewhat empowering.

Regarding Wallace, what the hell can we expect? This type of thing is why I support term limits -- once you've been on top for a long period of time, you inevitably take on the coloration and views of the class you're a member of. The same is true regarding making lots of money for a long period of time. I used to work with some very high paid lawyers. Talk about limosine liberals.

This is his favorite profile of presidential courage? Come on, Mike.


Gravatarwatertiger, I guess maybe my post made me sound naive. It was impure, black tar cynicism.


Gravatarwatertiger, I guess maybe my post made me sound naive. It was impure, black tar cynicism.


GravatarTell us again why we were the laughing stock of the world at one point?


GravatarTell us again why we were the laughing stock of the world at one point?


GravatarDo y'all ever get tired of reacting like sheep to Atros posts?

It's like an old record, spinning about and spitting at people, so that he can keep your eyes glued to the site.

The posts differ in names and words, but the point is alway the same.

To stoke your impotent fires and keep you on the site.

Thereby ensuring his ad dollars.

It's like

"The indignity!"

and then you go "rant, rant, rant."

and then he posts another one,

"The indignity!"

and then you go "rant, rant, rant."

for what?

zipp friggin o

At least that fellow Debs and his crew
has some balls. The ganf here are the type to frequent guys like that's beheadings, muttering "the horror, the horror" all the way home.

But never really doing anything about it.

What's interesting about this post is that it reminds of the Dems' in 2004.

They got all uppity, and Bush crushed'em.

Enjoy you milky toast.


GravatarDo y'all ever get tired of reacting like sheep to Atros posts?

It's like an old record, spinning about and spitting at people, so that he can keep your eyes glued to the site.

The posts differ in names and words, but the point is alway the same.

To stoke your impotent fires and keep you on the site.

Thereby ensuring his ad dollars.

It's like

"The indignity!"

and then you go "rant, rant, rant."

and then he posts another one,

"The indignity!"

and then you go "rant, rant, rant."

for what?

zipp friggin o

At least that fellow Debs and his crew
has some balls. The ganf here are the type to frequent guys like that's beheadings, muttering "the horror, the horror" all the way home.

But never really doing anything about it.

What's interesting about this post is that it reminds of the Dems' in 2004.

They got all uppity, and Bush crushed'em.

Enjoy you milky toast.


GravatarThere's nothing funnier than watching a kitten grow up as they learn how to be cats."

And it never stops. Just when they get the mature dignity aspect in place, something happens. And we humans are usually around just in time with a camera to catch it.

Of course they immediately adopt the time honored "I meant to do that glare" and then limp off to lick their wounds.


GravatarThere's nothing funnier than watching a kitten grow up as they learn how to be cats."

And it never stops. Just when they get the mature dignity aspect in place, something happens. And we humans are usually around just in time with a camera to catch it.

Of course they immediately adopt the time honored "I meant to do that glare" and then limp off to lick their wounds.


GravatarI have this image of Chris Wallace going over to the guys that run the teleprompters and asking them to write a book for him.


GravatarI have this image of Chris Wallace going over to the guys that run the teleprompters and asking them to write a book for him.


Gravatarlawguy, I think Chris is saving that story for his next book, tentatively titled "Profiles in Class Traitors and Other Despicable Scumbags of American History."

Remember, you read it here first.
..


Gravatarlawguy, I think Chris is saving that story for his next book, tentatively titled "Profiles in Class Traitors and Other Despicable Scumbags of American History."

Remember, you read it here first.
..


Gravatarbebe rebozo,

I just received a call from the attorney general. We are so fucked. Bob and the Lidster are on to us, man.


Gravatarbebe rebozo,

I just received a call from the attorney general. We are so fucked. Bob and the Lidster are on to us, man.


Gravatarcheney_usa,

I was laffin' wicha, not atcha.


GravatarMapplethorpe's Cross,
As opposed to the eminently valuable task of trolling, I guess. I hear it's a long and honorable tradition.


Gravatarcheney_usa,

I was laffin' wicha, not atcha.


GravatarMapplethorpe's Cross,
As opposed to the eminently valuable task of trolling, I guess. I hear it's a long and honorable tradition.


GravatarMapplethorpe's Cross,

You're right. I should go over to Free Republic.


GravatarMapplethorpe's Cross,

You're right. I should go over to Free Republic.


GravatarI rant at the ranters. What does this make me. An idiot.


GravatarI rant at the ranters. What does this make me. An idiot.


GravatarEnjoy you milky toast.

That about sums it up.


.


GravatarEnjoy you milky toast.

That about sums it up.


.


GravatarJust when they get the mature dignity aspect in place, something happens. And we humans are usually around just in time with a camera to catch it.

George Carlin did a great routine about that.


GravatarJust when they get the mature dignity aspect in place, something happens. And we humans are usually around just in time with a camera to catch it.

George Carlin did a great routine about that.


GravatarUm, Mapplethorpe, not to belabor the obvious, but you know this because...?


GravatarUm, Mapplethorpe, not to belabor the obvious, but you know this because...?


GravatarWhat does this make me. An idiot.


Don't ask questions you don't want answered.

At least, I think it was a question....


GravatarWhat does this make me. An idiot.


Don't ask questions you don't want answered.

At least, I think it was a question....


GravatarI just received a call from the attorney general. We are so fucked. Bob and the Lidster are on to us, man.
Vicki-Don't worry. When Asscroft shows up, just wave a chicken breast with a fake nipple at him.


GravatarI just received a call from the attorney general. We are so fucked. Bob and the Lidster are on to us, man.
Vicki-Don't worry. When Asscroft shows up, just wave a chicken breast with a fake nipple at him.


GravatarOn this subject, read this book:

AUTHOR: Ginger, Ray.
TITLE: Altgeld's America; the Lincoln ideal versus changing realities.
PUBLISHED: New York, New Viewpoints, 1973.
OCLC NUMBER: 1808411

Goes into great depth on this very incident.


GravatarOn this subject, read this book:

AUTHOR: Ginger, Ray.
TITLE: Altgeld's America; the Lincoln ideal versus changing realities.
PUBLISHED: New York, New Viewpoints, 1973.
OCLC NUMBER: 1808411

Goes into great depth on this very incident.


GravatarOT

I'm sure atrios is gonna get to this but I just felt I had to bring it up; apparently the "tax simplification" that was part of hier bush's campain was a national sales tax. It seems to me that this is the worst idea ever if you're a member of the middle or working classes.

Who would Jesus Rob?


GravatarOT

I'm sure atrios is gonna get to this but I just felt I had to bring it up; apparently the "tax simplification" that was part of hier bush's campain was a national sales tax. It seems to me that this is the worst idea ever if you're a member of the middle or working classes.

Who would Jesus Rob?


GravatarAs long as I am here, can any of you chaps lend me some money.

I'm about to lose my flat due to my inadvertant failure to pay the usurious taxes.

Cheers!


GravatarAs long as I am here, can any of you chaps lend me some money.

I'm about to lose my flat due to my inadvertant failure to pay the usurious taxes.

Cheers!


GravatarWhen do we march ?


GravatarWhen do we march ?


GravatarI think the funniest part of the interview was where he said, "I've thought about writing a book, but I've never had AN IDEA."


Can you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?

The mind boggles.


GravatarI think the funniest part of the interview was where he said, "I've thought about writing a book, but I've never had AN IDEA."


Can you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?

The mind boggles.


GravatarLiberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public. We won, you lost, get over it.


GravatarLiberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public. We won, you lost, get over it.


GravatarI rant at the ranters.

What does this make me?

A moron.

[satisfied?]


GravatarI rant at the ranters.

What does this make me?

A moron.

[satisfied?]


GravatarWhere I come from, you'd be fired for not, um, knowing what you're doing.
Vicki ...12.03.04 - 3:42 pm


Alas and alack, Vickie! We don't come from the same places as these slime. Where they come from, if you don't know what you're doing, you get a raise and a promotion.


GravatarWhere I come from, you'd be fired for not, um, knowing what you're doing.
Vicki ...12.03.04 - 3:42 pm


Alas and alack, Vickie! We don't come from the same places as these slime. Where they come from, if you don't know what you're doing, you get a raise and a promotion.


Gravatarfour legs good

"Can you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?"

Consider our president and some of his greatest hits when opening his mouth and inserting foot.


Gravatarfour legs good

"Can you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?"

Consider our president and some of his greatest hits when opening his mouth and inserting foot.


Gravatar4legs,
I noticed that. If you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?


Gravatar4legs,
I noticed that. If you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?


GravatarMapplethorpe's Cross--

I'm going to say this once, so listen good.

Knock it off. It really insults me that someone would make light of the situation our troops are currently facing.


GravatarMapplethorpe's Cross--

I'm going to say this once, so listen good.

Knock it off. It really insults me that someone would make light of the situation our troops are currently facing.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

Secular humanists are, by definition, traitors to the Holy American Empire.
rorschach


Bingo! But what I think is interesting is that what finally drove Kierkegaard to attack Christendom (as opposed to Christianity, which he never rejected), was Denmark's decree that all children born in that country would be Christian by definition. What he said about that decision is still pretty timely today:

"The interest of Christianity is: true Christians. The interest of the State, and therefore of its priests, is: many Christians. So let us get hold of the babes and give them a dash of water over their heads and make them believe that they are Christians, then we shall shortly have more Christians than there are herrings during the herring period, and then we shall be the greatest power the World has ever seen."

I think he was on to something.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

Secular humanists are, by definition, traitors to the Holy American Empire.
rorschach


Bingo! But what I think is interesting is that what finally drove Kierkegaard to attack Christendom (as opposed to Christianity, which he never rejected), was Denmark's decree that all children born in that country would be Christian by definition. What he said about that decision is still pretty timely today:

"The interest of Christianity is: true Christians. The interest of the State, and therefore of its priests, is: many Christians. So let us get hold of the babes and give them a dash of water over their heads and make them believe that they are Christians, then we shall shortly have more Christians than there are herrings during the herring period, and then we shall be the greatest power the World has ever seen."

I think he was on to something.


GravatarAn excerpt from my upcoming book entitled - Profiles in Journalistic Courage and Intergrity.

"And it is well known in certain circles that Chris Wallace has waged a tragic and protracted battle with mescal, heroin and sex addiction. On many occasions just before he was to go on camera, his producers and set crew had to roll him from under his anchor desk where he had slept off the previous night's binge drenched in his own vomit.

"Once out from under his desk they'd make him flap his arms like a crazed chicken and dance like a drunken baboon to restore his faculties.

"Obiously tortured by inadequacy, he often ranted delusionally about his lack of ideas and masterbated during broadcasts and was seen several times stuffing unspecified objects into his pants and socks as he left in the evening toi head down to the Back Door Bar & Grill.

"Unidentified bodies had to be "taken care of" on several occassions.

"The point is, it is important to remember that Mr. Wallace is a champion of those that champion the less fortunate. Or something."




Um, I'll get back to you with those references....


GravatarAn excerpt from my upcoming book entitled - Profiles in Journalistic Courage and Intergrity.

"And it is well known in certain circles that Chris Wallace has waged a tragic and protracted battle with mescal, heroin and sex addiction. On many occasions just before he was to go on camera, his producers and set crew had to roll him from under his anchor desk where he had slept off the previous night's binge drenched in his own vomit.

"Once out from under his desk they'd make him flap his arms like a crazed chicken and dance like a drunken baboon to restore his faculties.

"Obiously tortured by inadequacy, he often ranted delusionally about his lack of ideas and masterbated during broadcasts and was seen several times stuffing unspecified objects into his pants and socks as he left in the evening toi head down to the Back Door Bar & Grill.

"Unidentified bodies had to be "taken care of" on several occassions.

"The point is, it is important to remember that Mr. Wallace is a champion of those that champion the less fortunate. Or something."




Um, I'll get back to you with those references....


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...

Your boy Grover Cleveland will do this for us gratis.


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...

Your boy Grover Cleveland will do this for us gratis.


GravatarWhy should I waste my precious mind coming up with an idea?
I'm still wondering about Libby sitting on old Walter's face.


GravatarWhy should I waste my precious mind coming up with an idea?
I'm still wondering about Libby sitting on old Walter's face.


GravatarCleveland was a complicated guy and, even with his role in the labor strike, he was genuinely incorruptible and on par with Teddy Roosevelt. Governor Altgeld signed away his political future by pardoning the two jailed convicts from the Haymarket Bombing, men sentenced simply for speaking out at an entirely peaceful rally that ended in tragedy after the police goon squad, against Mayor Harrison's wishes, attacked it. And Pullman? The rich, well-connected society types of Chicago actually counseled him to settle with the strikers, instead of literally firing any worker committee that came to him to ask for forebearance and better wages. The man was a pig, and when he died his family buried him and then had a foot-thick slab of reinforced concrete poured over the grave, afraid he'd be dug up by his enemies. Or as Ambrose Bierce opined, even his kin wanted to make damned sure old George didn't come back.


GravatarCleveland was a complicated guy and, even with his role in the labor strike, he was genuinely incorruptible and on par with Teddy Roosevelt. Governor Altgeld signed away his political future by pardoning the two jailed convicts from the Haymarket Bombing, men sentenced simply for speaking out at an entirely peaceful rally that ended in tragedy after the police goon squad, against Mayor Harrison's wishes, attacked it. And Pullman? The rich, well-connected society types of Chicago actually counseled him to settle with the strikers, instead of literally firing any worker committee that came to him to ask for forebearance and better wages. The man was a pig, and when he died his family buried him and then had a foot-thick slab of reinforced concrete poured over the grave, afraid he'd be dug up by his enemies. Or as Ambrose Bierce opined, even his kin wanted to make damned sure old George didn't come back.


GravatarIf you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?
NYMary


A best-selling one, far too often!


GravatarIf you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?
NYMary


A best-selling one, far too often!


GravatarEnjoy you milky toast.
Mapplethorpe's Cross


Thanks for stopping by, dildo breath.


GravatarEnjoy you milky toast.
Mapplethorpe's Cross


Thanks for stopping by, dildo breath.


GravatarFree Market Firefighter

Frustration maybe, hate no. If you were lying in the street bleeding, I suspect most folks here would attempt to provide aid. We might be doing our best not to breathe in the stink, but we would try.


GravatarFree Market Firefighter

Frustration maybe, hate no. If you were lying in the street bleeding, I suspect most folks here would attempt to provide aid. We might be doing our best not to breathe in the stink, but we would try.


GravatarSounds like they'll need "ghost buyers" for his brilliant tome.


GravatarSounds like they'll need "ghost buyers" for his brilliant tome.


Gravatarjimmyraybob,
Who was the comedian who's tag line was "It's a well-known fact!"

Ah, it'll come to me.


Gravatarjimmyraybob,
Who was the comedian who's tag line was "It's a well-known fact!"

Ah, it'll come to me.


GravatarDo y'all ever get tired of--

You? If we gave you any thought, maybe.

Now scurry along back to the circle jerk...


GravatarDo y'all ever get tired of--

You? If we gave you any thought, maybe.

Now scurry along back to the circle jerk...


GravatarSo let me get this straight. A freeper cops a handle that defines him as the wood to which an openly gay (and who died of AIDS), highly controversial photographer is nailed.

I'm still scratchin' my head.


GravatarSo let me get this straight. A freeper cops a handle that defines him as the wood to which an openly gay (and who died of AIDS), highly controversial photographer is nailed.

I'm still scratchin' my head.


Gravatar"What is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?"

I got beef. Secular Humanists are pussies. I am a minister in the Secular Human Church, I should know.

Although I chose the title "brother" over "pastor."

you know why we are pussies?

Because we like to be. Like our liberal Quaker brethern.

No, seriously , we are wimps because we haven't risen up, and grabbed the other judgemental, "my God or your ass" religions and throttled them out of existence.

Knowledge is power, and boy does that scare the poopy out of the Kansas board of ed.


Gravatar"What is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?"

I got beef. Secular Humanists are pussies. I am a minister in the Secular Human Church, I should know.

Although I chose the title "brother" over "pastor."

you know why we are pussies?

Because we like to be. Like our liberal Quaker brethern.

No, seriously , we are wimps because we haven't risen up, and grabbed the other judgemental, "my God or your ass" religions and throttled them out of existence.

Knowledge is power, and boy does that scare the poopy out of the Kansas board of ed.


GravatarWallace will be fed to the Ducks, like the rest of the media millionaires, without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Because quite frankly being eaten alive by the Ducks is better than scum like Wallace deserve.


GravatarWallace will be fed to the Ducks, like the rest of the media millionaires, without the slightest hesitation or remorse. Because quite frankly being eaten alive by the Ducks is better than scum like Wallace deserve.


GravatarI noticed that. If you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?
NYMary


Ann Coulter?

Bill O'Leilly?


GravatarI noticed that. If you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?
NYMary


Ann Coulter?

Bill O'Leilly?


GravatarAll is not lost for Cleveland, as a result of his actions against the Pullman Porters we have the modern day Ronald Dellums and Willie Brown.


GravatarAll is not lost for Cleveland, as a result of his actions against the Pullman Porters we have the modern day Ronald Dellums and Willie Brown.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

"Secular humanism!" Praise the LORD, that is so passe...

The kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."

They catch you using a dorky phrase like "secular humanism" and you'll get snubbed from the 700 Club. Making it the 699 Club. Which would be only 33 ore than the 666 Club.

You can see the problem here.


GravatarWhat is the beef with "secular humanism," anyway?

"Secular humanism!" Praise the LORD, that is so passe...

The kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."

They catch you using a dorky phrase like "secular humanism" and you'll get snubbed from the 700 Club. Making it the 699 Club. Which would be only 33 ore than the 666 Club.

You can see the problem here.


GravatarIt really insults me that someone would make light of the situation our troops are currently facing.

wÒÓ†


And it's not only what they are going through right now in Iraq.

When and if they get home, they will be forgotten by Shrub like they were yesterday's news.

It's sickening that Wolfie, Rumsfeld, et al can never give an accurate death count when asked in an interview.


GravatarIt really insults me that someone would make light of the situation our troops are currently facing.

wÒÓ†


And it's not only what they are going through right now in Iraq.

When and if they get home, they will be forgotten by Shrub like they were yesterday's news.

It's sickening that Wolfie, Rumsfeld, et al can never give an accurate death count when asked in an interview.


Gravatarbathkitty,

Bobby the M's starter claim to fame was a cross up the anus!

And who's kidding who, Da Trufe speaks for Rob.


Gravatarbathkitty,

Bobby the M's starter claim to fame was a cross up the anus!

And who's kidding who, Da Trufe speaks for Rob.


Gravatar"I think the funniest part of the interview was where he said, 'I've thought about writing a book, but I've never had AN IDEA.'

"Can you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?

"The mind boggles."

four legs good 12.03.04 - 4:23 pm


I'm recalling a certain mind boggling presidential press conference.


Gravatar"I think the funniest part of the interview was where he said, 'I've thought about writing a book, but I've never had AN IDEA.'

"Can you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?

"The mind boggles."

four legs good 12.03.04 - 4:23 pm


I'm recalling a certain mind boggling presidential press conference.


GravatarIf you were lying in the street bleeding, I suspect most folks here would attempt to provide aid.

I'd be tempted to flag down a few passing buzzards.


GravatarIf you were lying in the street bleeding, I suspect most folks here would attempt to provide aid.

I'd be tempted to flag down a few passing buzzards.


GravatarIn further defense of Cleveland, note that his wife died during the second campaign, and soon thereafter, Cleveland's mouth was resected to remove cancer.

He rose to power as a Democrat who fought the NY machine. His second term (after these personal tragedies) was when the Pullman strike occured.

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GravatarIn further defense of Cleveland, note that his wife died during the second campaign, and soon thereafter, Cleveland's mouth was resected to remove cancer.

He rose to power as a Democrat who fought the NY machine. His second term (after these personal tragedies) was when the Pullman strike occured.

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GravatarIf you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?

Bill Adler's type. He's been churning these quicky books out for years (or rather, his staff has). Which brings us to the funniest part of the whole story: what the fuck is "Booknotes" doing spotlighting the equivalent of those $1.29 mini-books you see next to the cash register at Safeway?


GravatarIf you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?

Bill Adler's type. He's been churning these quicky books out for years (or rather, his staff has). Which brings us to the funniest part of the whole story: what the fuck is "Booknotes" doing spotlighting the equivalent of those $1.29 mini-books you see next to the cash register at Safeway?


Gravatar'd be tempted to flag down a few passing buzzards. Sheesh, I didn't even know there were homosexual buzzards, much less some of them passing.


Gravatar'd be tempted to flag down a few passing buzzards. Sheesh, I didn't even know there were homosexual buzzards, much less some of them passing.


GravatarWallace's follow-up book will be about the inspiring leadership shown by great foreign leaders, starting with his alltime favorite: Kristallnacht


GravatarWallace's follow-up book will be about the inspiring leadership shown by great foreign leaders, starting with his alltime favorite: Kristallnacht


GravatarIt really insults me that someone would make light of the situation our troops are currently facing.

On that topic, our "victory" in Fallujah is already evaporating...

resistance forces are returning to Falluja even as U.S. forces conduct their final sweeps: "US forces sweep through one neighborhood after another, only to find insurgents popping up in 'cleared' areas."


GravatarIt really insults me that someone would make light of the situation our troops are currently facing.

On that topic, our "victory" in Fallujah is already evaporating...

resistance forces are returning to Falluja even as U.S. forces conduct their final sweeps: "US forces sweep through one neighborhood after another, only to find insurgents popping up in 'cleared' areas."


GravatarThis seems to be the new GOP. You're born into wealth and privilege, imagine that you've made it on your own like your heroes (the entrepreneurial plutocrats who have learned to hoover the government teat like a milking machine gone haywire - think Halliburton), and then you use your wealth and privilege to piss on working people any chance you get.

Whatever happened to noblesse oblige?


GravatarThis seems to be the new GOP. You're born into wealth and privilege, imagine that you've made it on your own like your heroes (the entrepreneurial plutocrats who have learned to hoover the government teat like a milking machine gone haywire - think Halliburton), and then you use your wealth and privilege to piss on working people any chance you get.

Whatever happened to noblesse oblige?


GravatarThe kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."



Okay.

Tell me they're not really saying that. To be a fundamentalist it would seem like the rules to being secular would be written down some where.

Obviously I didn't get the memo. Goddamnit.


GravatarThe kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."



Okay.

Tell me they're not really saying that. To be a fundamentalist it would seem like the rules to being secular would be written down some where.

Obviously I didn't get the memo. Goddamnit.


GravatarLiberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public. We won, you lost, get over it.
Free Market Firefighter


Don't forget, we're coming to take away your Bibles, too. Who's gonna stop us? The "winner"? Him and what army? Bwahaahaa!


GravatarLiberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public. We won, you lost, get over it.
Free Market Firefighter


Don't forget, we're coming to take away your Bibles, too. Who's gonna stop us? The "winner"? Him and what army? Bwahaahaa!


Gravatar"Who was the comedian who's tag line was 'It's a well-known fact!'"

NYMary 12.03.04 - 4:27 pm


Sean Hannity?


Limbaugh?


O'Butthead?


I give up.


Gravatar"Who was the comedian who's tag line was 'It's a well-known fact!'"

NYMary 12.03.04 - 4:27 pm


Sean Hannity?


Limbaugh?


O'Butthead?


I give up.


GravatarThis one's for Walter:

wipingoff spittle


GravatarThis one's for Walter:

wipingoff spittle


GravatarWhatever happened to noblesse oblige?
cosmic grappler


Oh, that's so 18th century.

For the 21st century we've got peasant oblige.

Get with the program!


GravatarWhatever happened to noblesse oblige?
cosmic grappler


Oh, that's so 18th century.

For the 21st century we've got peasant oblige.

Get with the program!


GravatarIf the ghost writers for Chris Wallace saw the interview, they must have been rolling on the floor laughing at the idiot. It's like putting a paragraph of nonsense in your PhD thesis just to see if anyone on the committee actually read the thing.


GravatarIf the ghost writers for Chris Wallace saw the interview, they must have been rolling on the floor laughing at the idiot. It's like putting a paragraph of nonsense in your PhD thesis just to see if anyone on the committee actually read the thing.


GravatarI'm a little schizo-

Rob is Snarky Snark- Mapplethorpes Meat, Cross and Otto the Idiot.

But most of all, and all together now...... Da Trufe!!!!!!!

Just giving ya a little pearl of wisdom here and there to keep ya honest!

(please direct your typo complaints to your care-givers)

no, seriuosly, I love ya, I just hate futility in action. A trillion keystrokes to nowhere and beyond!!!


ahh, lighten up. don't feed this troll.

Oh yeah, I'm Right Said Fred too.

Kinda of a gay theme I guess.


But I'm crazy, so please disregard!


GravatarI'm a little schizo-

Rob is Snarky Snark- Mapplethorpes Meat, Cross and Otto the Idiot.

But most of all, and all together now...... Da Trufe!!!!!!!

Just giving ya a little pearl of wisdom here and there to keep ya honest!

(please direct your typo complaints to your care-givers)

no, seriuosly, I love ya, I just hate futility in action. A trillion keystrokes to nowhere and beyond!!!


ahh, lighten up. don't feed this troll.

Oh yeah, I'm Right Said Fred too.

Kinda of a gay theme I guess.


But I'm crazy, so please disregard!


Gravatarrorschach

That did not bring any comfort to read that. I have a step brother 50ish who just got his orders to go over. He has already done DS one and Kosovo.


Gravatarrorschach

That did not bring any comfort to read that. I have a step brother 50ish who just got his orders to go over. He has already done DS one and Kosovo.


GravatarHolden, doll, I think I have it! Thanks for learnin' me somethin'! I appreciate it.


GravatarHolden, doll, I think I have it! Thanks for learnin' me somethin'! I appreciate it.


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...

Tempting. Verrrrrry tempting. When do we start?


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...

Tempting. Verrrrrry tempting. When do we start?


GravatarIt appears the Greatest Generation had a good bit of pre-natal nicotine\alcohol\valium consumption.
Wildebeest...12.03.04 - 4:12 pm
I was born in '46 of two nearly congenital and hereditary, upper-middle-class, college-graduate boozers and tobacco addicts. I swiped and smoked my first cigarette at about 10; i was finishing the drink remainders from parents' cocktail parties as soon as i was dragooned into duty, probably at about the same time. I have been called the Will Rogers of Recreational Chemicals, because I never met a drug I didn't like...I quit tobacco over 10 years ago; I still drink, enough. Make of that what you will...but I wouldn't discount the history of my parents' alcohol and tobacco use as contributory to my own...as they were to their parents before them...


GravatarIt appears the Greatest Generation had a good bit of pre-natal nicotine\alcohol\valium consumption.
Wildebeest...12.03.04 - 4:12 pm
I was born in '46 of two nearly congenital and hereditary, upper-middle-class, college-graduate boozers and tobacco addicts. I swiped and smoked my first cigarette at about 10; i was finishing the drink remainders from parents' cocktail parties as soon as i was dragooned into duty, probably at about the same time. I have been called the Will Rogers of Recreational Chemicals, because I never met a drug I didn't like...I quit tobacco over 10 years ago; I still drink, enough. Make of that what you will...but I wouldn't discount the history of my parents' alcohol and tobacco use as contributory to my own...as they were to their parents before them...


GravatarBe sure to buy Wallaces' second book:"I Did Not Write My First Book".


GravatarBe sure to buy Wallaces' second book:"I Did Not Write My First Book".


GravatarWhatever happened to noblesse oblige?

It's now called Veni, Vidi, Vici.


GravatarWhatever happened to noblesse oblige?

It's now called Veni, Vidi, Vici.


GravatarEkCenTriK-- Wow, that is not good. I wish him all the luck in the world.

Well, considering the state of the world, I wish him more than that.


GravatarEkCenTriK-- Wow, that is not good. I wish him all the luck in the world.

Well, considering the state of the world, I wish him more than that.


GravatarCan you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?

The mind boggles.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 4:23 pm | #

Liberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public. We won, you lost, get over it.
Free Market Firefighter | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 4:23 pm | #


Yes, flg. Yes it does.

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GravatarCan you imagine being stupid enough to say that in public?

The mind boggles.
four legs good | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 4:23 pm | #

Liberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public. We won, you lost, get over it.
Free Market Firefighter | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 4:23 pm | #


Yes, flg. Yes it does.

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Gravatar"This seems to be the new GOP. You're born into wealth and privilege, imagine that you've made it on your own like your heroes (the entrepreneurial plutocrats who have learned to hoover the government teat like a milking machine gone haywire - think Halliburton), and then you use your wealth and privilege to piss on working people any chance you get."

good analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and priviliged?

wouldn't that be great!

oh what a country we could be!!

oh, again, calm down, I should have said 50.8 I guess.


Gravatar"This seems to be the new GOP. You're born into wealth and privilege, imagine that you've made it on your own like your heroes (the entrepreneurial plutocrats who have learned to hoover the government teat like a milking machine gone haywire - think Halliburton), and then you use your wealth and privilege to piss on working people any chance you get."

good analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and priviliged?

wouldn't that be great!

oh what a country we could be!!

oh, again, calm down, I should have said 50.8 I guess.


GravatarIs it my imagination, or is Snarky Snark really just Incognito after too much vodka and Chaka-Khan?
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GravatarIs it my imagination, or is Snarky Snark really just Incognito after too much vodka and Chaka-Khan?
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GravatarDid you all forget not to feed the trolls?

That includes addressing them directly.

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GravatarDid you all forget not to feed the trolls?

That includes addressing them directly.

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Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...



Actually I'd prefer to smite you with my superpowers, or, at the very least, feed you to some lions.


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...



Actually I'd prefer to smite you with my superpowers, or, at the very least, feed you to some lions.


GravatarThe scariest thing to me about Wallace and the story shows up in the chapter title: "Constitution be damned…"

I honest-to-whatever just keep waiting to wake up from the nightmare. These people DO HATE THE CONSTITUTION. That is incredibly frightenening, and worse so because people love that they hate it. Seperation of church and state, as an example, is either not understood or simply outright hated.

Just had a thought: The constitution is the equivalent of the U.N. It is to be despised by the true believers, and everything must be done to destroy it. Substitute "We don't need to pass a global test" with "We don't need to pass a constitutional test." They both add up to the same thing.


GravatarThe scariest thing to me about Wallace and the story shows up in the chapter title: "Constitution be damned…"

I honest-to-whatever just keep waiting to wake up from the nightmare. These people DO HATE THE CONSTITUTION. That is incredibly frightenening, and worse so because people love that they hate it. Seperation of church and state, as an example, is either not understood or simply outright hated.

Just had a thought: The constitution is the equivalent of the U.N. It is to be despised by the true believers, and everything must be done to destroy it. Substitute "We don't need to pass a global test" with "We don't need to pass a constitutional test." They both add up to the same thing.


GravatarHey, Mr. Freemarket Firetruck is back!

You never answered my question from this morning Mr. FMFT:

Why aren't you in Iraq?


GravatarHey, Mr. Freemarket Firetruck is back!

You never answered my question from this morning Mr. FMFT:

Why aren't you in Iraq?


GravatarI quit tobacco over 10 years ago

Konopelli


I bet that was tough to do.
I was referring to Chris Wallace's (and Hannity/Limbaugh/O'Reilly's) obvious brain damage.

Could be closed head wounds, though.


GravatarI quit tobacco over 10 years ago

Konopelli


I bet that was tough to do.
I was referring to Chris Wallace's (and Hannity/Limbaugh/O'Reilly's) obvious brain damage.

Could be closed head wounds, though.


Gravatargood analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and priviliged?


No, just wondering why their ass is sore.

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Gravatargood analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and priviliged?


No, just wondering why their ass is sore.

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GravatarWell, Wallace is going on the pizza party list.


GravatarWell, Wallace is going on the pizza party list.


GravatarI wanted to write a book but didn't have any ideas. Well, I did have a couple but I didn't have any talent to carry them through to completion. So I hired some "ghosts" to write it...

Not This Time George!


GravatarI wanted to write a book but didn't have any ideas. Well, I did have a couple but I didn't have any talent to carry them through to completion. So I hired some "ghosts" to write it...

Not This Time George!


GravatarOh, wait. I think it's a joke-troll:

We won, you lost, get over it.



"We"? That's rich! I get it now!

[goes in search of coffee]
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GravatarOh, wait. I think it's a joke-troll:

We won, you lost, get over it.



"We"? That's rich! I get it now!

[goes in search of coffee]
.


Gravatar"...does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and priviliged?"
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.

If you voted for this new GOP and you're not wealthy and privileged, you sir, are an ass and I wouldn't admit that in public.


Gravatar"...does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and priviliged?"
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.

If you voted for this new GOP and you're not wealthy and privileged, you sir, are an ass and I wouldn't admit that in public.


GravatarIf you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?

Pondering a question like that makes me nostalgic for the old Larry King column in USA Today. God, that was great stuff...

The link goes to a parody, but to tell the truth, it's really not all that far off. Fans of really, really bad writing miss Larry's column terribly.


GravatarIf you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?

Pondering a question like that makes me nostalgic for the old Larry King column in USA Today. God, that was great stuff...

The link goes to a parody, but to tell the truth, it's really not all that far off. Fans of really, really bad writing miss Larry's column terribly.


GravatarLiberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public.

I know that's the way I always get treated around here.

But as for the reason we're here...damn. Now I'm depressed again....


GravatarLiberals are so full of hate, you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public.

I know that's the way I always get treated around here.

But as for the reason we're here...damn. Now I'm depressed again....


Gravatar"If you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?"

The kind who should call my agent.


Gravatar"If you don't have an idea, and you can't actually write, what sort of author does this make you?"

The kind who should call my agent.


GravatarGrand Moff, that there's a skookum diary.


GravatarGrand Moff, that there's a skookum diary.


GravatarWallace is in the midst of the late 19th century reapeating itself and he can't even see it.

But this time the new progressive right will actually be the new progressive left.

Hopefully Kerry was the last of the old guard.


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GravatarWallace is in the midst of the late 19th century reapeating itself and he can't even see it.

But this time the new progressive right will actually be the new progressive left.

Hopefully Kerry was the last of the old guard.


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Gravatargood analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and privileged?

No, they just think they are. In a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery.


Gravatargood analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and privileged?

No, they just think they are. In a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery.


GravatarHanging people in public. Gee, wasn't that done already? I think they were called lynchings and mostly done to blacks, Jews, and Catholics, but mostly blacks.

And who did the lynching? Good, patriotic Americans who talked about God in public.

Yeah, I think I read about that in a book. FMFT? That's one of those things with pages made of paper with lots of writing on them bound between two stiffer covers. Pick one up some time. Some even have pictures!


GravatarHanging people in public. Gee, wasn't that done already? I think they were called lynchings and mostly done to blacks, Jews, and Catholics, but mostly blacks.

And who did the lynching? Good, patriotic Americans who talked about God in public.

Yeah, I think I read about that in a book. FMFT? That's one of those things with pages made of paper with lots of writing on them bound between two stiffer covers. Pick one up some time. Some even have pictures!


GravatarWhatever happened to noblesse oblige?

Not one of these parasites has the slightest notion of what nobility is supposed to be about. They're basically guttertrash elevated through theft to wealth, and they behave accordingly.


GravatarWhatever happened to noblesse oblige?

Not one of these parasites has the slightest notion of what nobility is supposed to be about. They're basically guttertrash elevated through theft to wealth, and they behave accordingly.


GravatarOr maybe this was the joke:

you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Why do you have to be ignorant about America to be a real American?

*******

Or maybe this was the joke:

you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public


Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men...6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


Why do you have to be ignorant about Christianity to be a real Christian?


GravatarOr maybe this was the joke:

you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Why do you have to be ignorant about America to be a real American?

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Or maybe this was the joke:

you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public


Matthew 6:5
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men...6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.


Why do you have to be ignorant about Christianity to be a real Christian?


GravatarThe kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."



Okay.

Tell me they're not really saying that.


Wish I could. The fundie freakshow went on the air Sunday and "secular fundamentalism" was a highlight of their new act.

To be fair, though, there's no such thing as "secular humanism," either.


GravatarThe kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."



Okay.

Tell me they're not really saying that.


Wish I could. The fundie freakshow went on the air Sunday and "secular fundamentalism" was a highlight of their new act.

To be fair, though, there's no such thing as "secular humanism," either.


GravatarThe kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."

Really? Wow.

So does that mean that "fundamentalism" is a perjorative term? Sure sounds like it!


GravatarThe kewl new term is "secular fundamentalism."

Really? Wow.

So does that mean that "fundamentalism" is a perjorative term? Sure sounds like it!


GravatarAnd why aren't you good patriotic Americans who talk about God in public in Iraq?

Oh, that's right. Patriotism is a cheap emotion for you guys. You buy it with words.


GravatarAnd why aren't you good patriotic Americans who talk about God in public in Iraq?

Oh, that's right. Patriotism is a cheap emotion for you guys. You buy it with words.


GravatarIn FURTHER defense of Cleveland, note that his violation of Posse Comitatus was at a point in time before the Executive could call out the National Guard (which is not a PC violation)-- no Nat'l Guard until 1908-1916.

No FBI then, either.

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GravatarIn FURTHER defense of Cleveland, note that his violation of Posse Comitatus was at a point in time before the Executive could call out the National Guard (which is not a PC violation)-- no Nat'l Guard until 1908-1916.

No FBI then, either.

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GravatarIn a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery.

Amen to that!


GravatarIn a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery.

Amen to that!


GravatarNot one of these parasites has the slightest notion of what nobility is supposed to be about.

One of the basic components of 'nobilitas' was 'liberalitas.' It means exactly what you think it means. Not that any of the brave preservers of western civilization would know anything about that.

It's as if the right spent so much time in the 20th century spreading racist stereotypes of Jews that they've begun to act like that twisted caricature themselves.
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GravatarNot one of these parasites has the slightest notion of what nobility is supposed to be about.

One of the basic components of 'nobilitas' was 'liberalitas.' It means exactly what you think it means. Not that any of the brave preservers of western civilization would know anything about that.

It's as if the right spent so much time in the 20th century spreading racist stereotypes of Jews that they've begun to act like that twisted caricature themselves.
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GravatarNat'l Guard until 1908-1916

...which were created out of the state militias, yes.


Next anachronistic defense of butchery in the defense of slavery?
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GravatarNat'l Guard until 1908-1916

...which were created out of the state militias, yes.


Next anachronistic defense of butchery in the defense of slavery?
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GravatarDick-
"good analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and privileged?

Thealogie-
No, they just think they are. In a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery."

Hey thealogie, I like you. Smart, with a sense of humor!

Sorry about leaving ya out of the sandbox analogy earlier.

I'm a dude, but I think chicks are better that dudes.

We've had 10,000 years of leadership, and were still at war.


It's your turn! Call me when ya need a vote.


GravatarDick-
"good analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and privileged?

Thealogie-
No, they just think they are. In a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery."

Hey thealogie, I like you. Smart, with a sense of humor!

Sorry about leaving ya out of the sandbox analogy earlier.

I'm a dude, but I think chicks are better that dudes.

We've had 10,000 years of leadership, and were still at war.


It's your turn! Call me when ya need a vote.


Gravatar"Hopefully Kerry was the last of the old guard."

Kerry WON the election by LANDSLIDE.

And he has just joined the Ohio Recount lawsuits, so once again he may have a few tricks left up his sleeve, as he has so many times in his past.

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Gravatar"Hopefully Kerry was the last of the old guard."

Kerry WON the election by LANDSLIDE.

And he has just joined the Ohio Recount lawsuits, so once again he may have a few tricks left up his sleeve, as he has so many times in his past.

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GravatarWe should have paintball militias to settles scores between states.


GravatarWe should have paintball militias to settles scores between states.


GravatarIn a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery.

Class is not income. Class is behavior. But that goes to traditional western notions of nobility, again.

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GravatarIn a lack of social mobility, the best some people can aspire to, it seems, is snobbery.

Class is not income. Class is behavior. But that goes to traditional western notions of nobility, again.

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GravatarNYMary,
Was it Norm Crosby, the king of the malapropism? I can't seem to remember.


GravatarNYMary,
Was it Norm Crosby, the king of the malapropism? I can't seem to remember.


GravatarAnd he has just joined the Ohio Recount lawsuits, so once again he may have a few tricks left up his sleeve, as he has so many times in his past.


Actually, I think they're just trying to get the number straight for future debates.

I don't seriously expect any surprises on December 13.
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GravatarAnd he has just joined the Ohio Recount lawsuits, so once again he may have a few tricks left up his sleeve, as he has so many times in his past.


Actually, I think they're just trying to get the number straight for future debates.

I don't seriously expect any surprises on December 13.
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GravatarI hope you're right Paul.

I don't hate Kerry, but I'm sure ready for some brand new blood.


GravatarI hope you're right Paul.

I don't hate Kerry, but I'm sure ready for some brand new blood.


GravatarPhilalethes:

>Which plutocrat was it said, a propos
>of mining strikes, "You can't mine
>coal without machine-guns"?

>HE was an asshole, whomever he was.

That would be Richard Mellon in 1937 to the US Congress.

Woo-hoo - turn of the (19th) century here we come again!


GravatarPhilalethes:

>Which plutocrat was it said, a propos
>of mining strikes, "You can't mine
>coal without machine-guns"?

>HE was an asshole, whomever he was.

That would be Richard Mellon in 1937 to the US Congress.

Woo-hoo - turn of the (19th) century here we come again!


Gravatar"Hey thealogie, I like you. Smart, with a sense of humor!
Sorry about leaving ya out of the sandbox analogy earlier.
I'm a dude, but I think chicks are better that dudes.
We've had 10,000 years of leadership, and were still at war.
It's your turn! Call me when ya need a vote."
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.

Whew. Now here's a guy in need of a ghostwriter. WTF is this supposed to mean?

It's guys like this who make Jesus drink himself to sleep.


Gravatar"Hey thealogie, I like you. Smart, with a sense of humor!
Sorry about leaving ya out of the sandbox analogy earlier.
I'm a dude, but I think chicks are better that dudes.
We've had 10,000 years of leadership, and were still at war.
It's your turn! Call me when ya need a vote."
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.

Whew. Now here's a guy in need of a ghostwriter. WTF is this supposed to mean?

It's guys like this who make Jesus drink himself to sleep.


GravatarPaul in LA, Cleveland's much, much younger wife outlived him by several years, so how could she have died during his second campaign? And no, he wasn't married twice. Benjamin Harrison's first wife died while he was in office. He then married a much younger woman. Are you thinking of Harrison?


GravatarPaul in LA, Cleveland's much, much younger wife outlived him by several years, so how could she have died during his second campaign? And no, he wasn't married twice. Benjamin Harrison's first wife died while he was in office. He then married a much younger woman. Are you thinking of Harrison?


Gravatar""good analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and privileged?"

51% is a fake statistic.

This last election was something like 65-35, and that's several points generous for Bush.

Diebolded states, 28 out of the 29 Diebold serves, have NO paper trail.

They therefore unconstitutionally remove the candidates' right to a RECOUNT; consequently, these are NOT legal elections.

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Gravatar""good analysis. does that mean that 51% of the country is wealthy and privileged?"

51% is a fake statistic.

This last election was something like 65-35, and that's several points generous for Bush.

Diebolded states, 28 out of the 29 Diebold serves, have NO paper trail.

They therefore unconstitutionally remove the candidates' right to a RECOUNT; consequently, these are NOT legal elections.

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Gravatar"Benjamin Harrison's first wife died while he was in office."

Actually, during the campaign. Oops.

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Gravatar"Benjamin Harrison's first wife died while he was in office."

Actually, during the campaign. Oops.

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GravatarSo does that mean that "fundamentalism" is a perjorative term? Sure sounds like it!

Yup. The fundies have in fact been steering away from the "fundamentalist" tag for years, precisely because of the negative connotations.

The "secular fundamentalist" line is a pretty clear, and IMO pathetic, attempt to turn the tables. Pretty stupid, sure, but our Liberal Media have acceded to dumber things before.


GravatarSo does that mean that "fundamentalism" is a perjorative term? Sure sounds like it!

Yup. The fundies have in fact been steering away from the "fundamentalist" tag for years, precisely because of the negative connotations.

The "secular fundamentalist" line is a pretty clear, and IMO pathetic, attempt to turn the tables. Pretty stupid, sure, but our Liberal Media have acceded to dumber things before.


Gravatar"I hope you're right Paul.

I don't hate Kerry, but I'm sure ready for some brand new blood.
dieselcreek "

You're living in the wrong part of the cycle for that, diesel.

What we face is RETIREMENTS, and they are going to be brutal, each one.

SOLIDARITY is not just a good idea; it is the ONLY way to bring Bush down. We have to fight each and every further imposition of ILLEGAL one-party rule, slow the coup as much as possible, and support even those Dems who are appeasing the bastards who (may well have) killed one senator, and tried to kill the majority leader.

Support, not snarks, is in order.

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Gravatar"I hope you're right Paul.

I don't hate Kerry, but I'm sure ready for some brand new blood.
dieselcreek "

You're living in the wrong part of the cycle for that, diesel.

What we face is RETIREMENTS, and they are going to be brutal, each one.

SOLIDARITY is not just a good idea; it is the ONLY way to bring Bush down. We have to fight each and every further imposition of ILLEGAL one-party rule, slow the coup as much as possible, and support even those Dems who are appeasing the bastards who (may well have) killed one senator, and tried to kill the majority leader.

Support, not snarks, is in order.

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GravatarWish I could. The fundie freakshow went on the air Sunday and "secular fundamentalism" was a highlight of their new act.

Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Freud...

To be fair, though, there's no such thing as "secular humanism," either.

Yeah, and that stopped them dead in their tr... No, it didn't.


GravatarWish I could. The fundie freakshow went on the air Sunday and "secular fundamentalism" was a highlight of their new act.

Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Freud...

To be fair, though, there's no such thing as "secular humanism," either.

Yeah, and that stopped them dead in their tr... No, it didn't.


GravatarThat would be Richard Mellon in 1937 to the US Congress.

That's right...thanks!


GravatarThat would be Richard Mellon in 1937 to the US Congress.

That's right...thanks!


Gravatartee-hee of the day!

"Whew. Now here's a guy in need of a ghostwriter. WTF is this supposed to mean?

It's guys like this who make Jesus drink himself to sleep."

funny you say that. I never use a ghostwriter though. As I have said in the past. My publisher has an editor, who hires a proofreader, who corrects my shit.

It's a great set-up. i can focus on grand ideas, and creativity, and leave the anal crap up to your kind!


Gravatartee-hee of the day!

"Whew. Now here's a guy in need of a ghostwriter. WTF is this supposed to mean?

It's guys like this who make Jesus drink himself to sleep."

funny you say that. I never use a ghostwriter though. As I have said in the past. My publisher has an editor, who hires a proofreader, who corrects my shit.

It's a great set-up. i can focus on grand ideas, and creativity, and leave the anal crap up to your kind!


GravatarBack to the topic:

Next time you meet some GOP lickspittle like our Mr. Freemarket here, an ass who will surely decry unions, ask him how much he likes a paid vacation, health care, pension plan, 40-hour work week, living wage, and safe working conditions, then tell him he can thank a union man for all that.

Oh, wait. Today's workers are working longer than 40 hours, and are losing their health care, pension, living wage, and safe working conditions.

Just when we've done away with unions. Think it's a concidence?


GravatarBack to the topic:

Next time you meet some GOP lickspittle like our Mr. Freemarket here, an ass who will surely decry unions, ask him how much he likes a paid vacation, health care, pension plan, 40-hour work week, living wage, and safe working conditions, then tell him he can thank a union man for all that.

Oh, wait. Today's workers are working longer than 40 hours, and are losing their health care, pension, living wage, and safe working conditions.

Just when we've done away with unions. Think it's a concidence?


GravatarIt's a great set-up. i can focus on grand ideas, and creativity, and leave the anal crap up to your kind!
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.


Now that's just sad. If you must tell self-aggrandizing lies, at least try to be a wee bit plausible.


GravatarIt's a great set-up. i can focus on grand ideas, and creativity, and leave the anal crap up to your kind!
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.


Now that's just sad. If you must tell self-aggrandizing lies, at least try to be a wee bit plausible.


Gravatar"corrects my shit"

EATS your shit, more like.

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Gravatar"corrects my shit"

EATS your shit, more like.

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GravatarFine, if we are going to redefine things let us move to calling the fundamentalists what they are: Religious Luddites.


GravatarFine, if we are going to redefine things let us move to calling the fundamentalists what they are: Religious Luddites.


GravatarMapplethorpe,

If you had any notion of working in the publishing industry, you'd know it was the copy editor who does that.

And you have a publisher like my old dog has a Ph.D.


GravatarMapplethorpe,

If you had any notion of working in the publishing industry, you'd know it was the copy editor who does that.

And you have a publisher like my old dog has a Ph.D.


GravatarSomething just got very weird in here, and it's not me.
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GravatarSomething just got very weird in here, and it's not me.
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GravatarBaaa I'm not snarking. Hell, I'm a pretty comprimising guy (and I'm pretty), I always look to find good in people. Team lib go, I'm on board...

I just am getting tired of the same old shit.

Besides, we have to go grassroots or we are through (that is if Bush doesn't kill us all).

But hey, if Kerry can turn the tables, great, although it sounds like he didn't get any more info. than we already know.

now stop yellin' at me, and pass the j


GravatarBaaa I'm not snarking. Hell, I'm a pretty comprimising guy (and I'm pretty), I always look to find good in people. Team lib go, I'm on board...

I just am getting tired of the same old shit.

Besides, we have to go grassroots or we are through (that is if Bush doesn't kill us all).

But hey, if Kerry can turn the tables, great, although it sounds like he didn't get any more info. than we already know.

now stop yellin' at me, and pass the j


GravatarPhilabert,

If thee "love the truth", as your sobriquet indicates, then thou must digest thine last words.

Somebody said i needed a ghostwriter, I have had many a fight about using one. But have won each battle to date!

And I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.

Is jealousy a sin?


GravatarPhilabert,

If thee "love the truth", as your sobriquet indicates, then thou must digest thine last words.

Somebody said i needed a ghostwriter, I have had many a fight about using one. But have won each battle to date!

And I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.

Is jealousy a sin?


Gravatari can focus on grand ideas, and creativity, and leave the anal crap up to your kind!


And there we have the Bush presidency in a nutshell.
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Gravatari can focus on grand ideas, and creativity, and leave the anal crap up to your kind!


And there we have the Bush presidency in a nutshell.
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GravatarIf you had any notion of working in the publishing industry, you'd know it was the copy editor who does that.

And you have a publisher like my old dog has a Ph.D.
cosmic grappler


Smackdown!


GravatarIf you had any notion of working in the publishing industry, you'd know it was the copy editor who does that.

And you have a publisher like my old dog has a Ph.D.
cosmic grappler


Smackdown!


GravatarDavie of the night terror,

Your dog is a doctor!

cool.


GravatarDavie of the night terror,

Your dog is a doctor!

cool.


GravatarIndulge me for a moment. This kind of thing always makes me laugh.

I meet guys like Mapplethorpe at least once a week (Remember, I play blues in smoky bars) and invariably the biggest loser at the bar, the one sucking back Ice House or some shit, finds out what I do for a living and says, "I could write a book. I have all kinds of great ideas." And then when I ask, because I'm a polite guy, what they are they say, "Oh, no, I don't want anyone to steal them."

Big guys with big ideas. Just no talent, no discipline and no clue.


GravatarIndulge me for a moment. This kind of thing always makes me laugh.

I meet guys like Mapplethorpe at least once a week (Remember, I play blues in smoky bars) and invariably the biggest loser at the bar, the one sucking back Ice House or some shit, finds out what I do for a living and says, "I could write a book. I have all kinds of great ideas." And then when I ask, because I'm a polite guy, what they are they say, "Oh, no, I don't want anyone to steal them."

Big guys with big ideas. Just no talent, no discipline and no clue.


GravatarAnd I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.


Dear Penthouse Forum,

I never thought I'd be writing you one of these letters, but the other day down at the meatpacking plant, me and some of the guys...
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GravatarAnd I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.


Dear Penthouse Forum,

I never thought I'd be writing you one of these letters, but the other day down at the meatpacking plant, me and some of the guys...
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GravatarFine, if we are going to redefine things let us move to calling the fundamentalists what they are: Religious Luddites.

See, I'd take issue with that because the Luddites were pretty goddamn reasonable, in my book. That was essentially a labor struggle, and the term was later twisted by technocrats to shut up people who questioned them.

This is an example of the Left unwittingly accepting the politicaly loaded language of the "enemy," and it's always kind of bugged me. The Luddites didn't want to lose their jobs to machines and starve, and they wanted higher wages for their work. I think we can all see some validity to that stance.


GravatarFine, if we are going to redefine things let us move to calling the fundamentalists what they are: Religious Luddites.

See, I'd take issue with that because the Luddites were pretty goddamn reasonable, in my book. That was essentially a labor struggle, and the term was later twisted by technocrats to shut up people who questioned them.

This is an example of the Left unwittingly accepting the politicaly loaded language of the "enemy," and it's always kind of bugged me. The Luddites didn't want to lose their jobs to machines and starve, and they wanted higher wages for their work. I think we can all see some validity to that stance.


GravatarYou are right though, the copy editor goes first. My bad. Details are clearly not my bag.


GravatarYou are right though, the copy editor goes first. My bad. Details are clearly not my bag.


GravatarPaul, And your false claim about Frances Cleveland? No comment? How about "Bigger oops!"


GravatarPaul, And your false claim about Frances Cleveland? No comment? How about "Bigger oops!"


GravatarSo why is Lamb ending "booknotes", no one read anymore?


GravatarSo why is Lamb ending "booknotes", no one read anymore?


GravatarAnd I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.

Hmmmm. There was another troll who said almost exactly the same thing here a few weeks ago. Almost exactly the same words, even.

BTW, have you bought Cosmic Grappler's book yet?


GravatarAnd I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.

Hmmmm. There was another troll who said almost exactly the same thing here a few weeks ago. Almost exactly the same words, even.

BTW, have you bought Cosmic Grappler's book yet?


GravatarAnyone else remember the only good scene out of that Tom Hanks Darryl Hannah movie about the mermaid where John Candy comes running into the office hollering, "I've been published! I've been published!" only to begin:

"Dear Penthouse."

Thank you Grand Moff Texan for reminding me of that.


GravatarAnyone else remember the only good scene out of that Tom Hanks Darryl Hannah movie about the mermaid where John Candy comes running into the office hollering, "I've been published! I've been published!" only to begin:

"Dear Penthouse."

Thank you Grand Moff Texan for reminding me of that.


GravatarPhilalethes,

You have earned a special place on my Christmas list.


GravatarPhilalethes,

You have earned a special place on my Christmas list.


GravatarHey, my last book only sold 40,000 copies. Piece of crap. Paperback in fall of '05.


Next up, "The Thirteenth Apostle."

In bookstores next summer!

I'll bet ya can't wait!


GravatarHey, my last book only sold 40,000 copies. Piece of crap. Paperback in fall of '05.


Next up, "The Thirteenth Apostle."

In bookstores next summer!

I'll bet ya can't wait!


GravatarIf thee "love the truth", as your sobriquet indicates, then thou must digest thine last words.

When someone writes as badly as you do, the difference between an editor and a ghostwriter essentially vanishes.

You couldn't get a job addressing envelopes with language skills that poor.

Hey, CG's got a link to his book...how about giving us a link to one of yours?


GravatarIf thee "love the truth", as your sobriquet indicates, then thou must digest thine last words.

When someone writes as badly as you do, the difference between an editor and a ghostwriter essentially vanishes.

You couldn't get a job addressing envelopes with language skills that poor.

Hey, CG's got a link to his book...how about giving us a link to one of yours?


GravatarBut Mapplethorpe could indeed be a published author. They call them vanity presses. It only requires that you pay the printer a few grand and they crank out a few hundred copies of your book that you can then show your friends and family.

Look, I'm a published author!

Which vanity press do you like, Mapplethorpe?


GravatarBut Mapplethorpe could indeed be a published author. They call them vanity presses. It only requires that you pay the printer a few grand and they crank out a few hundred copies of your book that you can then show your friends and family.

Look, I'm a published author!

Which vanity press do you like, Mapplethorpe?


GravatarRemember, folks, this the the thing that wrote, "Enjoy you milky toast."

To number one, baby, number one!


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GravatarRemember, folks, this the the thing that wrote, "Enjoy you milky toast."

To number one, baby, number one!


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GravatarCosmic Grappler,

Congrats on your new book by the way.

I love the gang over at SMP. Don't know the Minotaur people, but Holtzbrinck's a good outfit. Who did your cover, was it my man Steve Snider?


GravatarCosmic Grappler,

Congrats on your new book by the way.

I love the gang over at SMP. Don't know the Minotaur people, but Holtzbrinck's a good outfit. Who did your cover, was it my man Steve Snider?


GravatarSnarky, those are indeed respectable numbers. So respectable that they make you a NYT best seller.

Who are you, really?


GravatarSnarky, those are indeed respectable numbers. So respectable that they make you a NYT best seller.

Who are you, really?


GravatarAnd I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.

Comma splice.

You owe me a dollar.


GravatarAnd I apologize for being a published author, god knows I realize how jealous ye all get about that.

Comma splice.

You owe me a dollar.


GravatarChris Wallace = Skip Caray = Dave Shula = Chimperor


GravatarChris Wallace = Skip Caray = Dave Shula = Chimperor


GravatarTruth lover Philly,

I want to sell the books, not have ya'll burn them! How about a picture of my parents?


GravatarTruth lover Philly,

I want to sell the books, not have ya'll burn them! How about a picture of my parents?


GravatarSnark,

I just did an Amazon search on The Thirteenth Apostle and they already have seven books by different authors with that title.

You might want to choose another title, dude. That one seems to be taken.


GravatarSnark,

I just did an Amazon search on The Thirteenth Apostle and they already have seven books by different authors with that title.

You might want to choose another title, dude. That one seems to be taken.


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...

If you can think of a more suitable punishment, for the wanton destruction of the democratic polity, and the Constitution it endows with authority, drop it in the suggestion box, on your left, on the way out, and we'll get back to ya, otay, sport???


Gravataryou want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public...

If you can think of a more suitable punishment, for the wanton destruction of the democratic polity, and the Constitution it endows with authority, drop it in the suggestion box, on your left, on the way out, and we'll get back to ya, otay, sport???


GravatarCosmic Grappler, That Tom Hanks movie was "Splash." John Candy was so funny in that role.


GravatarCosmic Grappler, That Tom Hanks movie was "Splash." John Candy was so funny in that role.


Gravatar"I just am getting tired of the same old shit."

I've been tired of it since I first voted in '72. So what?

"Besides, we have to go grassroots or we are through (that is if Bush doesn't kill us all)."

We do have grassroots, and we need them, and how.

I'm on my way to the Friday protest now, in fact.

"But hey, if Kerry can turn the tables, great, although it sounds like he didn't get any more info. than we already know."

'Turn the tables' will just force the SCOTUS to step in a second time. I'm ALL FOR their having to do that, and WE ALL should be fighting for Ohio (and Florida).

We do NOT have a legal voting system any longer. Four stolen elections in a row, along with some really poor, tiny-sampled commercial polls, are the DEMOGRAPHIC-POOR $R's only chance, aside from the treason they exhibit in all other areas of their assault on our freedoms.

We have to fight to de-Diebold every blue state (and red state), and to reestablish the basis of our democracy, which is the franchize.

And, no, that's not McW's: 100,000s of Innocents Murdered.

Count our VOTES, mfers

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Gravatar"I just am getting tired of the same old shit."

I've been tired of it since I first voted in '72. So what?

"Besides, we have to go grassroots or we are through (that is if Bush doesn't kill us all)."

We do have grassroots, and we need them, and how.

I'm on my way to the Friday protest now, in fact.

"But hey, if Kerry can turn the tables, great, although it sounds like he didn't get any more info. than we already know."

'Turn the tables' will just force the SCOTUS to step in a second time. I'm ALL FOR their having to do that, and WE ALL should be fighting for Ohio (and Florida).

We do NOT have a legal voting system any longer. Four stolen elections in a row, along with some really poor, tiny-sampled commercial polls, are the DEMOGRAPHIC-POOR $R's only chance, aside from the treason they exhibit in all other areas of their assault on our freedoms.

We have to fight to de-Diebold every blue state (and red state), and to reestablish the basis of our democracy, which is the franchize.

And, no, that's not McW's: 100,000s of Innocents Murdered.

Count our VOTES, mfers

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Gravatarcosmic grappler sez:

Who are you, really?

Since this thread has seen better days let's play a game.

Let's pretend that rob is a real author. What "real" author would behave like rob? In a context like this?

I'm voting Thomas Pynchon.


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Gravatarcosmic grappler sez:

Who are you, really?

Since this thread has seen better days let's play a game.

Let's pretend that rob is a real author. What "real" author would behave like rob? In a context like this?

I'm voting Thomas Pynchon.


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GravatarThank you, Mapplethorpe, for what I assume are sincere congratulations.

I like the cover, too.


GravatarThank you, Mapplethorpe, for what I assume are sincere congratulations.

I like the cover, too.


GravatarMy name keeps changing. I am Mapplethorpe and Snark and Da trufe.


I apologize for not revealing my identity, it's just that there's so many crazies out there! (not you, just quite a few others)


And I've been told I'm not as big a dick in person as I am here.


GravatarMy name keeps changing. I am Mapplethorpe and Snark and Da trufe.


I apologize for not revealing my identity, it's just that there's so many crazies out there! (not you, just quite a few others)


And I've been told I'm not as big a dick in person as I am here.


GravatarROFLMAO - It's another one of those "You people are a pathetic waste of my time" from Mapplethorpe who has been here all day.

I went to the post office, the store, ran a couple other errands, came back.

Here's Mapplethorpe spamming up another thread with how useless it all is.


GravatarROFLMAO - It's another one of those "You people are a pathetic waste of my time" from Mapplethorpe who has been here all day.

I went to the post office, the store, ran a couple other errands, came back.

Here's Mapplethorpe spamming up another thread with how useless it all is.


Gravatarspork,

That's a good guess. But I go for Tom Clancy. He used to hang around the AOL writers chat room years ago, maybe he's missed it.


Gravatarspork,

That's a good guess. But I go for Tom Clancy. He used to hang around the AOL writers chat room years ago, maybe he's missed it.


GravatarCG,

most sincere.

that's really cool. and three of the buggers!

I know how much friggin' work that is.

Here's to you!

I'll snap one up week one.


GravatarCG,

most sincere.

that's really cool. and three of the buggers!

I know how much friggin' work that is.

Here's to you!

I'll snap one up week one.


GravatarMapplethorpe,

It would honestly be impossible for you to be as big a dick in person as da trufe, et al are in here.

But come on, nobody's going to firebomb your house. Who are you and what books have you written? Because really, dude, you come off as pretty damn illiterate in some of those posts up there.


GravatarMapplethorpe,

It would honestly be impossible for you to be as big a dick in person as da trufe, et al are in here.

But come on, nobody's going to firebomb your house. Who are you and what books have you written? Because really, dude, you come off as pretty damn illiterate in some of those posts up there.


Gravatar"Paul, And your false claim about Frances Cleveland? No comment? How about "Bigger oops!"
Eileen Left "

That already was the oops. I reached into the foggy cavity where my ordinary world used to be, and switched Harrison's for Clevelands' wife (I remembered incorrectly whose wife had died during that campaign).

After three years of protest several times a month, you get what you get. A lot of my brain cells are lying out in Wilshire Blvd, where they died for their country.

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Gravatar"Paul, And your false claim about Frances Cleveland? No comment? How about "Bigger oops!"
Eileen Left "

That already was the oops. I reached into the foggy cavity where my ordinary world used to be, and switched Harrison's for Clevelands' wife (I remembered incorrectly whose wife had died during that campaign).

After three years of protest several times a month, you get what you get. A lot of my brain cells are lying out in Wilshire Blvd, where they died for their country.

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GravatarPhilalethes

I just read you comment on my Luddite remark.

You really know how to deflate an ego there dude.

And now not only am I a Liberal, now I am a Technocrat.

(Is it quitting time yet?)


GravatarPhilalethes

I just read you comment on my Luddite remark.

You really know how to deflate an ego there dude.

And now not only am I a Liberal, now I am a Technocrat.

(Is it quitting time yet?)


GravatarI hope anyone who buys my book feels like they got their money's worth. I want that more than the royalties.

And that is da trufe.


GravatarI hope anyone who buys my book feels like they got their money's worth. I want that more than the royalties.

And that is da trufe.


GravatarTommy the P?

damn, thanks!

I could barely get through "The Gravity Rainbow Reader" much less the real thing.

I don't write art. I tell stories, like at a bar.

"There I was, there I was, there I was"

anybody get that weak old reference?


GravatarTommy the P?

damn, thanks!

I could barely get through "The Gravity Rainbow Reader" much less the real thing.

I don't write art. I tell stories, like at a bar.

"There I was, there I was, there I was"

anybody get that weak old reference?


GravatarMapplethorpe and Snark and Da trufe.

Sounds like a real sleazy law firm.

"Come to us when no one else will take your case. Why?, because we care ... about taking your money"


GravatarMapplethorpe and Snark and Da trufe.

Sounds like a real sleazy law firm.

"Come to us when no one else will take your case. Why?, because we care ... about taking your money"


GravatarI don't write art. I tell stories, like at a bar.

Maybe you're a writer after all.


GravatarI don't write art. I tell stories, like at a bar.

Maybe you're a writer after all.


GravatarYou really know how to deflate an ego there dude.

And now not only am I a Liberal, now I am a Technocrat.

(Is it quitting time yet?)
EkCenTriK


Not my intention! It's a misconception practically everyone has, which was my point. I had it myself, until I actually read up on the Luddites and was able to place them in their actual context. Maybe it doesn't matter - meanings of words change over time - and yet they were a pretty important and oddly sympathetic group, and I like to point that out when I can. Nothing personal at all!


GravatarYou really know how to deflate an ego there dude.

And now not only am I a Liberal, now I am a Technocrat.

(Is it quitting time yet?)
EkCenTriK


Not my intention! It's a misconception practically everyone has, which was my point. I had it myself, until I actually read up on the Luddites and was able to place them in their actual context. Maybe it doesn't matter - meanings of words change over time - and yet they were a pretty important and oddly sympathetic group, and I like to point that out when I can. Nothing personal at all!


GravatarWe do have grassroots, and we need them, and how.




I know, Paul. But the populist movement is gaining ground in the rural areas (where I'm from). Which, in my area, is a pretty new development.



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GravatarWe do have grassroots, and we need them, and how.




I know, Paul. But the populist movement is gaining ground in the rural areas (where I'm from). Which, in my area, is a pretty new development.



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GravatarOK, I gotta go. My dogs are telling me I'm 35 minutes late for their walk.


GravatarOK, I gotta go. My dogs are telling me I'm 35 minutes late for their walk.


Gravatarcosmic grappler sez:

I go for Tom Clancy. He used to hang around the AOL writers chat room years ago, maybe he's missed it.


Clancy? Hmm, I always took him for an LGF-humour kinda guy. Not flat-out surreal/stupid.

Let me throw another log on the fire and run it up the flagpole...

Michael Chrichton.


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Gravatarcosmic grappler sez:

I go for Tom Clancy. He used to hang around the AOL writers chat room years ago, maybe he's missed it.


Clancy? Hmm, I always took him for an LGF-humour kinda guy. Not flat-out surreal/stupid.

Let me throw another log on the fire and run it up the flagpole...

Michael Chrichton.


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GravatarBut come on, nobody's going to firebomb your house. Who are you and what books have you written?

I want to know so I know what to avoid, in the same I now to steer away from the roast beef after it turns green.

And so I could add to the How to tell Someone Is an Idiot Right off the Bat List; sort of like how when someone says "Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book!" you know you don't have to pay attention to them anymore? 'Cause God help us all if you have "fans"...


GravatarBut come on, nobody's going to firebomb your house. Who are you and what books have you written?

I want to know so I know what to avoid, in the same I now to steer away from the roast beef after it turns green.

And so I could add to the How to tell Someone Is an Idiot Right off the Bat List; sort of like how when someone says "Atlas Shrugged is my favorite book!" you know you don't have to pay attention to them anymore? 'Cause God help us all if you have "fans"...


GravatarMichael Chrichton? Hmm, that's interesting.

But he's got to be too damn busy banging starlets to spend all afternoon here.

And Snark, really, you need a new title. That Thirteenth Apostle seems to be very popular.


GravatarMichael Chrichton? Hmm, that's interesting.

But he's got to be too damn busy banging starlets to spend all afternoon here.

And Snark, really, you need a new title. That Thirteenth Apostle seems to be very popular.


GravatarI'm not trying to be literate here. I have no need to impress you with my language skills. While many use this as a forum to impress themselves and others with their pithy wit, I have yet to feel that need. Unless you pay me.

(tee-hee)

And I apologize for being a dick. I'm just trying to keep ya'all accountable.

I voted for Kerry, hate Bush, captained four teams in high school and college, and have a leadership freak on. I want to crush Bush. But I don't think what I see here is near the right way to go about it. I get strident when I get attacked. the nature of anonymity. As for revealing myself, well, I blew that. I am da trufe. Hated! I threw a poopball at assembly, and now do not want to be identified and excoriated.

To know me is to love me though.


GravatarNow I'm 40 minutes late.


GravatarI'm not trying to be literate here. I have no need to impress you with my language skills. While many use this as a forum to impress themselves and others with their pithy wit, I have yet to feel that need. Unless you pay me.

(tee-hee)

And I apologize for being a dick. I'm just trying to keep ya'all accountable.

I voted for Kerry, hate Bush, captained four teams in high school and college, and have a leadership freak on. I want to crush Bush. But I don't think what I see here is near the right way to go about it. I get strident when I get attacked. the nature of anonymity. As for revealing myself, well, I blew that. I am da trufe. Hated! I threw a poopball at assembly, and now do not want to be identified and excoriated.

To know me is to love me though.


GravatarNow I'm 40 minutes late.


GravatarI apologize for not revealing my identity, it's just that there's so many crazies out there! (not you, just quite a few others)

Huh. So despite the FReepers and the Patriot Act, Atrios has his identity out there, and Cosmic Grappler has his out there, and lots of other people here (including me) have homepages and e-mails available to the public, and yet you're too fucking chicken to reveal the names of the books you've published? Books which apparently express NONE of the things you're expressing here, since otherwise you'd presumably be too scared to have them published at all?

I think I'll stick with my assumption that you're talking out your ass; it makes more sense. I've been dealing with professional writers for my entire life, and I've found that people who are unwilling to give their work a plug are very few and far between. Those who don't tend to be modest, rather than scared of the big bad Internets.


GravatarI apologize for not revealing my identity, it's just that there's so many crazies out there! (not you, just quite a few others)

Huh. So despite the FReepers and the Patriot Act, Atrios has his identity out there, and Cosmic Grappler has his out there, and lots of other people here (including me) have homepages and e-mails available to the public, and yet you're too fucking chicken to reveal the names of the books you've published? Books which apparently express NONE of the things you're expressing here, since otherwise you'd presumably be too scared to have them published at all?

I think I'll stick with my assumption that you're talking out your ass; it makes more sense. I've been dealing with professional writers for my entire life, and I've found that people who are unwilling to give their work a plug are very few and far between. Those who don't tend to be modest, rather than scared of the big bad Internets.


GravatarPaul in LA - I agree with you.

I will go a step further. Its official - we are now a banana republic.

1.) Fixed Elections.

2.) High concentrations of wealth (in favor of the same group that cooked the elections).

For fixed elections go to blackboxvoting.org

For Banana Republic concentration of wealth see the CIA's own on line almanac GINI index of wealth distrubrion. We are not only behind every first world nation, we are also behind most nations, including third world nations like Bolivia, Ecuador and Senegal. Over all, we are like 84th in a list of 113 nations.

Talking Proud Man!!!

You can see it at:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publicati...ields/ 2172.html

Pitiful.


GravatarPaul in LA - I agree with you.

I will go a step further. Its official - we are now a banana republic.

1.) Fixed Elections.

2.) High concentrations of wealth (in favor of the same group that cooked the elections).

For fixed elections go to blackboxvoting.org

For Banana Republic concentration of wealth see the CIA's own on line almanac GINI index of wealth distrubrion. We are not only behind every first world nation, we are also behind most nations, including third world nations like Bolivia, Ecuador and Senegal. Over all, we are like 84th in a list of 113 nations.

Talking Proud Man!!!

You can see it at:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publicati...ields/ 2172.html

Pitiful.


GravatarPaul, So sorry, I thought the "oops" was directed at me for mistaking the time of Caroline(?) Harrison's death.

Now I get it. As Coach said on "Cheers," you don't have to draw me a picture, but I kinda like it when you do.


GravatarPaul, So sorry, I thought the "oops" was directed at me for mistaking the time of Caroline(?) Harrison's death.

Now I get it. As Coach said on "Cheers," you don't have to draw me a picture, but I kinda like it when you do.


GravatarPaul in LA - I agree with you.

I will go a step further. Its official - we are now a banana republic.

1.) Fixed Elections.

2.) High concentrations of wealth (in favor of the same group that cooked the elections).

For fixed elections go to blackboxvoting.org

For Banana Republic concentration of wealth see the CIA's own on line almanac GINI index of wealth distrubrion. We are not only behind every first world nation, we are also behind most nations, including third world nations like Bolivia, Ecuador and Senegal. Over all, we are like 84th in a list of 113 nations.

Talking Proud Man!!!

You can see it at:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publicati...ields/ 2172.html

Pitiful.


GravatarPaul in LA - I agree with you.

I will go a step further. Its official - we are now a banana republic.

1.) Fixed Elections.

2.) High concentrations of wealth (in favor of the same group that cooked the elections).

For fixed elections go to blackboxvoting.org

For Banana Republic concentration of wealth see the CIA's own on line almanac GINI index of wealth distrubrion. We are not only behind every first world nation, we are also behind most nations, including third world nations like Bolivia, Ecuador and Senegal. Over all, we are like 84th in a list of 113 nations.

Talking Proud Man!!!

You can see it at:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publicati...ields/ 2172.html

Pitiful.


GravatarI think the funniest thing about Ol' Mapp is the idea that publishing books is glamorous enough to brag about. The publishing industry is a couple cuts below the recording industry circa 1950. I've actually had to lend money to bestsellling authors before.


GravatarI think the funniest thing about Ol' Mapp is the idea that publishing books is glamorous enough to brag about. The publishing industry is a couple cuts below the recording industry circa 1950. I've actually had to lend money to bestsellling authors before.


GravatarCG,

googled up TTApostle, your right!

mine is about Saint Constantine the Great.

who was one of many TTA's I suppose.

C was considered "isoapostale"- "same as the apostles" like many others, but only he was buried as TTA, in a sarcophagus, surrounded by twelve steles in teh Church of the Apostles.

Several of the steles held the remains of Mattew, Andre and James. James being JC's brother.


GravatarCG,

googled up TTApostle, your right!

mine is about Saint Constantine the Great.

who was one of many TTA's I suppose.

C was considered "isoapostale"- "same as the apostles" like many others, but only he was buried as TTA, in a sarcophagus, surrounded by twelve steles in teh Church of the Apostles.

Several of the steles held the remains of Mattew, Andre and James. James being JC's brother.


Gravatar"think the funniest thing about Ol' Mapp is the idea that publishing books is glamorous enough to brag about. The publishing industry is a couple cuts below the recording industry circa 1950. I've actually had to lend money to bestsellling authors before."

who's braggin? it's a shitty business!
but hey, feel free to denigrate away!


Gravatar"think the funniest thing about Ol' Mapp is the idea that publishing books is glamorous enough to brag about. The publishing industry is a couple cuts below the recording industry circa 1950. I've actually had to lend money to bestsellling authors before."

who's braggin? it's a shitty business!
but hey, feel free to denigrate away!


GravatarSeveral of the steles held the remains of Mattew, Andre and James. James being JC's brother.
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.


Oh God, you're not tracing the bloodline of Christ, are you? If so, boy have I got you pegged. Ever since "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," there must be a thousand manuscripts and screenplays dealing with Christ's geneology, or some other rarefied 'n' "revolutionary" aspect of early Christianity. They pour into every fucking publishing house in the country, day in and day out.

Trust me, it's going nowhere.


GravatarSeveral of the steles held the remains of Mattew, Andre and James. James being JC's brother.
Mapplethorpe's Cross and Co.


Oh God, you're not tracing the bloodline of Christ, are you? If so, boy have I got you pegged. Ever since "Holy Blood, Holy Grail," there must be a thousand manuscripts and screenplays dealing with Christ's geneology, or some other rarefied 'n' "revolutionary" aspect of early Christianity. They pour into every fucking publishing house in the country, day in and day out.

Trust me, it's going nowhere.


GravatarPhilalethes, cosmic grappler, anyone...

Since I don't know shit about publishing, could you answer this:

In the US, do books on tape sell better than the printed type?

Does having a book on tape really boost sales?



just curious...
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GravatarPhilalethes, cosmic grappler, anyone...

Since I don't know shit about publishing, could you answer this:

In the US, do books on tape sell better than the printed type?

Does having a book on tape really boost sales?



just curious...
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Gravatar"Paul, So sorry, I thought the "oops"

No harm, no foul.

I haven't thought about Grover Cleveland much lately, I admit. But I do use his name to remind me of the label on that STINKING PILE OF UNAMERICAN FECES named Grover.

I mentally steamroller the entire evil bunch many times a day. I especially like it when Cheney's head bursts under the big steel wheel, and he let's out a tiny scream, which turns to bubbles, and then nothing but fleshy fresh asphalt that the birds pick at.

Ah, the silence and beauty of a new highway.

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Gravatar"Paul, So sorry, I thought the "oops"

No harm, no foul.

I haven't thought about Grover Cleveland much lately, I admit. But I do use his name to remind me of the label on that STINKING PILE OF UNAMERICAN FECES named Grover.

I mentally steamroller the entire evil bunch many times a day. I especially like it when Cheney's head bursts under the big steel wheel, and he let's out a tiny scream, which turns to bubbles, and then nothing but fleshy fresh asphalt that the birds pick at.

Ah, the silence and beauty of a new highway.

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GravatarPhilalethes

I really didn't take it personal, my comment back was in jest, but I forget, on this site, there are people that actually know a bit more than the average bear.

But that is what makes it so interesting around her, I expect to get chewed at times, I usually walk away having learned something.

It is amazing recently how many different subjects or prespective I have had to ponder after an hour or two on Eschaton. My Google bar is so worn out that the O and L are almost missing.


GravatarPhilalethes

I really didn't take it personal, my comment back was in jest, but I forget, on this site, there are people that actually know a bit more than the average bear.

But that is what makes it so interesting around her, I expect to get chewed at times, I usually walk away having learned something.

It is amazing recently how many different subjects or prespective I have had to ponder after an hour or two on Eschaton. My Google bar is so worn out that the O and L are almost missing.


GravatarDeisel,

audio book publishers expect to sell about 10% of total sales. usually it's less.


GravatarDeisel,

audio book publishers expect to sell about 10% of total sales. usually it's less.


Gravatarah I mean here


Gravatarah I mean here


Gravatarjust curious...
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dieselcreek


Not as far as I know. It's definitely lucrative, but I don't think that tape market outgrosses the book market. And I don't think that sales of a tape title boost sales of the book itself...they're just as likely not to affect them at all, or to detract, since the main market for 'em is the blind and functionally blind, busy commuters who listen in the car or subway, and the like.


Gravatarjust curious...
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dieselcreek


Not as far as I know. It's definitely lucrative, but I don't think that tape market outgrosses the book market. And I don't think that sales of a tape title boost sales of the book itself...they're just as likely not to affect them at all, or to detract, since the main market for 'em is the blind and functionally blind, busy commuters who listen in the car or subway, and the like.


GravatarROFLMAO - Mapplethorpe, if you have to fight to keep from having your stuff ghostwritten, then that means something.

Damn that's funny.

The laughs just keep on coming.

And Cosmic Grappler is getting ready to eat your lunch bubba. He really is a published author.


GravatarROFLMAO - Mapplethorpe, if you have to fight to keep from having your stuff ghostwritten, then that means something.

Damn that's funny.

The laughs just keep on coming.

And Cosmic Grappler is getting ready to eat your lunch bubba. He really is a published author.


GravatarThey pour into every fucking publishing house in the country, day in and day out.

Yeah, I imagine they're as ubiquitous and as pedestrian as spy novels are.
(snicker)


GravatarThey pour into every fucking publishing house in the country, day in and day out.

Yeah, I imagine they're as ubiquitous and as pedestrian as spy novels are.
(snicker)


GravatarI am the Merovingian!

No, I am Dagbert!

No, that's silly, but I am related to Mary Magdalene!

No that's all bull, I am simply Da Trufe!

No Jesus genealogy in my tome.

thanks for the encouragement though!


GravatarI am the Merovingian!

No, I am Dagbert!

No, that's silly, but I am related to Mary Magdalene!

No that's all bull, I am simply Da Trufe!

No Jesus genealogy in my tome.

thanks for the encouragement though!


GravatarROFLMAO - Mapplethorpe, if you have to fight to keep from having your stuff ghostwritten, then that means something.

It's funny, alright. Many of the books and textbooks I've "edited" actually involved a complete rewrite from beginning to end. But as long as people's names end up on the cover, they'll say they wrote it and be happy. It wasn't "ghostwritten," no sir...just "edited."


GravatarROFLMAO - Mapplethorpe, if you have to fight to keep from having your stuff ghostwritten, then that means something.

It's funny, alright. Many of the books and textbooks I've "edited" actually involved a complete rewrite from beginning to end. But as long as people's names end up on the cover, they'll say they wrote it and be happy. It wasn't "ghostwritten," no sir...just "edited."


Gravatartena,

ask Cosmic grappler if he thinks I'm published or not. Christ, I've been to your own town, and participated in the Author's at the Adolphus Hotel program several years ago. Stayed on the ninth floor. 70 person limit on the terrace of my room!

Even you coulda fit!


Gravatartena,

ask Cosmic grappler if he thinks I'm published or not. Christ, I've been to your own town, and participated in the Author's at the Adolphus Hotel program several years ago. Stayed on the ninth floor. 70 person limit on the terrace of my room!

Even you coulda fit!


GravatarPhilly,

talk about pegged, your the editor who want's the glory you wrap your authors in!

Lending is better than recieving though.


GravatarPhilly,

talk about pegged, your the editor who want's the glory you wrap your authors in!

Lending is better than recieving though.


GravatarEven with the big balcony, you're still a pencil-necked troll here to change the subject...to YOU. What a goddamned surprise.

And Jesus crapped bigger ones than you.

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GravatarEven with the big balcony, you're still a pencil-necked troll here to change the subject...to YOU. What a goddamned surprise.

And Jesus crapped bigger ones than you.

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Gravatartalk about pegged, your the editor who want's the glory you wrap your authors in!

Uhhhhhhh....yeah. For instance, I'd love to get the "glory" that would come from taking your idiot burblings and transforming them into coherent English. To say nothing of seeing perfectly good trees martyred to your stupidity and vanity. That's my idea of "glory," alright...and how.


Gravatartalk about pegged, your the editor who want's the glory you wrap your authors in!

Uhhhhhhh....yeah. For instance, I'd love to get the "glory" that would come from taking your idiot burblings and transforming them into coherent English. To say nothing of seeing perfectly good trees martyred to your stupidity and vanity. That's my idea of "glory," alright...and how.


GravatarPaul in LA:

As long as you're doing "oopses," how about one for calling Random House a Murdoch operation? I don't think Bertelsmann will give up the crown jewel that easily.


GravatarPaul in LA:

As long as you're doing "oopses," how about one for calling Random House a Murdoch operation? I don't think Bertelsmann will give up the crown jewel that easily.


GravatarOh it stayed at the Adolphus. Well, in that case - that just changes everything.

(there is gesture that I have not been able to figure out a way to translate into cyber speak. It's that time honored gesture of holding on hand in a loose fist and moving it up and down in a certain way.)


GravatarOh it stayed at the Adolphus. Well, in that case - that just changes everything.

(there is gesture that I have not been able to figure out a way to translate into cyber speak. It's that time honored gesture of holding on hand in a loose fist and moving it up and down in a certain way.)


GravatarOK, back from walking the boys (no, that's not a euphemism), and I have to say, I believe Mapp's what he says he is.

Anyone who can write "I don't do art. I tell stories..." is not only a writer, but he's my kind of writer.

And I think he's James Ellroy. That's my guess.

And I've stood in line to shake the hands of two authors: James Ellroy and Elmore Leonard.

Sorry I can't do the smackdown here but I believe him, even when he posts as John Harper (and that was cold, man, really cold.)


GravatarOK, back from walking the boys (no, that's not a euphemism), and I have to say, I believe Mapp's what he says he is.

Anyone who can write "I don't do art. I tell stories..." is not only a writer, but he's my kind of writer.

And I think he's James Ellroy. That's my guess.

And I've stood in line to shake the hands of two authors: James Ellroy and Elmore Leonard.

Sorry I can't do the smackdown here but I believe him, even when he posts as John Harper (and that was cold, man, really cold.)


GravatarNow I really do have to take a shower. The dogs are beginning to sniff me and turn away in disgust.


GravatarNow I really do have to take a shower. The dogs are beginning to sniff me and turn away in disgust.


GravatarI also saw that particular Book Notes...Lamb did just sit there, cufflinks twinkling, nodding and smiling...a most entertaining session. I remember years ago when a halfway house for the handicapped was to be opened in upper northwest Washington DC some upscale citizens protested the arrival of icky handicaps at a meeting covered by local TV. Big as life in the footage was Chris Wallace and his wife. They were worried that mainstreamed and unsupervised Downs Syndrome kids would rape the next generation of Wallaces. As my father taught Secial Ed and was involved early on in the effort to mainstream, I was shocked by the dumb stupidity of these priviledged people. The Book Notes episode displayed Chris' ignorance beautifully and I'm glad Somerby brought it again to our attention. Death to generational celebrities!!!


GravatarI also saw that particular Book Notes...Lamb did just sit there, cufflinks twinkling, nodding and smiling...a most entertaining session. I remember years ago when a halfway house for the handicapped was to be opened in upper northwest Washington DC some upscale citizens protested the arrival of icky handicaps at a meeting covered by local TV. Big as life in the footage was Chris Wallace and his wife. They were worried that mainstreamed and unsupervised Downs Syndrome kids would rape the next generation of Wallaces. As my father taught Secial Ed and was involved early on in the effort to mainstream, I was shocked by the dumb stupidity of these priviledged people. The Book Notes episode displayed Chris' ignorance beautifully and I'm glad Somerby brought it again to our attention. Death to generational celebrities!!!


GravatarOh it stayed at the Adolphus. Well, in that case - that just changes everything.

Don't you love this low-rent schmuck's vision of what life is like for the "beautiful people"? It's one of the classic troll comedy routines.

"Rich GOP Guy" was really funny, too...especially when he was trying to explain why a wealthy, happy person would sit around all day trolling Eschaton. Of course, it's because he "thinks we're funny," and is "amusing himself" while waiting for Jeeves to bring him the fondue pot.

Ya gotta love these guys.


GravatarOh it stayed at the Adolphus. Well, in that case - that just changes everything.

Don't you love this low-rent schmuck's vision of what life is like for the "beautiful people"? It's one of the classic troll comedy routines.

"Rich GOP Guy" was really funny, too...especially when he was trying to explain why a wealthy, happy person would sit around all day trolling Eschaton. Of course, it's because he "thinks we're funny," and is "amusing himself" while waiting for Jeeves to bring him the fondue pot.

Ya gotta love these guys.


Gravatarno play harper, unaware of reference.

Phil, you can edit me anyday!

you appear to be a craftsman


Gravatarno play harper, unaware of reference.

Phil, you can edit me anyday!

you appear to be a craftsman


GravatarI'm just trying to keep ya'all accountable.

There's that ya'all, again. That ain't right.


GravatarI'm just trying to keep ya'all accountable.

There's that ya'all, again. That ain't right.


Gravatar"Paul in LA: As long as you're doing "oopses," how about one for calling Random House a Murdoch operation? I don't think Bertelsmann will give up the crown jewel that easily.
yellowdogfox "

Yeah, well check out who bought B. a year or two ago.

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Gravatar"Paul in LA: As long as you're doing "oopses," how about one for calling Random House a Murdoch operation? I don't think Bertelsmann will give up the crown jewel that easily.
yellowdogfox "

Yeah, well check out who bought B. a year or two ago.

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Gravatarmapp and cross seems a tad snooty for someone floating in piss and who can't understand pynchon.


Gravatarmapp and cross seems a tad snooty for someone floating in piss and who can't understand pynchon.


GravatarAnyone who can write "I don't do art. I tell stories..." is not only a writer, but he's my kind of writer.

No offense, CG, but I think you're letting a certain type of romanticism get the bettter of you. I've heard that very same spiel from lots of budding geniuses, and believe me, most of 'em couldn't tell a "story" to save their lives.

But hey, who knows? Maybe this guy's a dimwitted, barely literate asshole, AND a successful author. These things do happen!


GravatarAnyone who can write "I don't do art. I tell stories..." is not only a writer, but he's my kind of writer.

No offense, CG, but I think you're letting a certain type of romanticism get the bettter of you. I've heard that very same spiel from lots of budding geniuses, and believe me, most of 'em couldn't tell a "story" to save their lives.

But hey, who knows? Maybe this guy's a dimwitted, barely literate asshole, AND a successful author. These things do happen!


GravatarPhil, you can edit me anyday!

Send me your spew, and ten grand up front, and I'll get right on it.


GravatarPhil, you can edit me anyday!

Send me your spew, and ten grand up front, and I'll get right on it.


GravatarNo, maybe that IS an oops.

I had heard this, but maybe I misunderstood a buyout of B' shares in AOL or such for a buyout of B.

Well, that's actually good news, even if it is further egg on the face.

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GravatarNo, maybe that IS an oops.

I had heard this, but maybe I misunderstood a buyout of B' shares in AOL or such for a buyout of B.

Well, that's actually good news, even if it is further egg on the face.

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GravatarBut hey, who knows? Maybe this guy's a dimwitted, barely literate asshole, AND a successful author. These things do happen!
Philalethes

HA! That's great. The first name that popped into my head was Dan Brown.

And if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I thought the best of a person who didn't deserve it. In fact, it's a running theme in my professional life. I am a miserable judge of character.

And I wouldn't have it any other way.


GravatarBut hey, who knows? Maybe this guy's a dimwitted, barely literate asshole, AND a successful author. These things do happen!
Philalethes

HA! That's great. The first name that popped into my head was Dan Brown.

And if I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I thought the best of a person who didn't deserve it. In fact, it's a running theme in my professional life. I am a miserable judge of character.

And I wouldn't have it any other way.


GravatarNow I really do have to go.


GravatarNow I really do have to go.


GravatarIn fact, it's a running theme in my professional life. I am a miserable judge of character.

My problem is I'm an excellent judge of character, but have always been really bad at listening to my instincts. It's only in the last few years that I realized that my gut instincts about people were usually right. I could have saved a lot of money, time, and heartache if I'd listened to those little voices...

Come to think of it, I really should've listened to what my grandmother told me.


GravatarIn fact, it's a running theme in my professional life. I am a miserable judge of character.

My problem is I'm an excellent judge of character, but have always been really bad at listening to my instincts. It's only in the last few years that I realized that my gut instincts about people were usually right. I could have saved a lot of money, time, and heartache if I'd listened to those little voices...

Come to think of it, I really should've listened to what my grandmother told me.


Gravatar(there is gesture that I have not been able to figure out a way to translate into cyber speak. It's that time honored gesture of holding on hand in a loose fist and moving it up and down in a certain way.) Tena - 6:28 pm

I use the salute you describe quite frequently in light conversation. It's so eloquent. I don't think it can be effectively expressed in any medium other than the real thing, although your description is evocative.


Gravatar(there is gesture that I have not been able to figure out a way to translate into cyber speak. It's that time honored gesture of holding on hand in a loose fist and moving it up and down in a certain way.) Tena - 6:28 pm

I use the salute you describe quite frequently in light conversation. It's so eloquent. I don't think it can be effectively expressed in any medium other than the real thing, although your description is evocative.


GravatarDid anyone answer about Brian Lamb? I've always suspected that he's a closeted gay wingnut.


GravatarDid anyone answer about Brian Lamb? I've always suspected that he's a closeted gay wingnut.


GravatarA couple of points:

Although Cleveland used the interruption of the mails as a pretext for federal intervention, the ARU in fact publicly offered to delegate special work crews to run mail trains.

And another result of the Pullman Strike: the Railway Labor Relations Act, which was designed to prevent a transportation strike from ever again becoming the nucleus of a nationwide general strike, as the Pullman Strike virtually did.


GravatarA couple of points:

Although Cleveland used the interruption of the mails as a pretext for federal intervention, the ARU in fact publicly offered to delegate special work crews to run mail trains.

And another result of the Pullman Strike: the Railway Labor Relations Act, which was designed to prevent a transportation strike from ever again becoming the nucleus of a nationwide general strike, as the Pullman Strike virtually did.


GravatarThe Republican party was the first party of big government. This iintervention fro Cleveland was blowback and an unintended consequence of the massive federal intervention in the south.


GravatarThe Republican party was the first party of big government. This iintervention fro Cleveland was blowback and an unintended consequence of the massive federal intervention in the south.


GravatarGiven the example of Grover Cleveland's courage that Wallace used in his book, what did he use to illustrate Lyndon Johnson's courage -- picking a dog up by its ears?


GravatarGiven the example of Grover Cleveland's courage that Wallace used in his book, what did he use to illustrate Lyndon Johnson's courage -- picking a dog up by its ears?


GravatarYou can thank the party of Lincoln for regulation of big business, the income tax and the federal reserve.


GravatarYou can thank the party of Lincoln for regulation of big business, the income tax and the federal reserve.


GravatarBelieve it or not, I met Grover Cleveland's son once. He died a few years ago. He was very nice but he said he couldn't remember his father at all.

Wallace apparently hadn't read "his" book. I heard an interview with Michael Guillen about "his" new book, Can a Smart Person Believe in God. You know, I don't believe he's ever read "his" book either.


GravatarBelieve it or not, I met Grover Cleveland's son once. He died a few years ago. He was very nice but he said he couldn't remember his father at all.

Wallace apparently hadn't read "his" book. I heard an interview with Michael Guillen about "his" new book, Can a Smart Person Believe in God. You know, I don't believe he's ever read "his" book either.


GravatarDid anyone answer about Brian Lamb?

About his personal life I am enthusiastically not interested but I can say he's a typical beltway Republican hack posing as an objective journalist. Respectability in establishment journalism is a matter of pose and longevity, not a condition of work.


GravatarDid anyone answer about Brian Lamb?

About his personal life I am enthusiastically not interested but I can say he's a typical beltway Republican hack posing as an objective journalist. Respectability in establishment journalism is a matter of pose and longevity, not a condition of work.


GravatarHere's the deal, (LARRY KING - CRIME PSYCHICS) is Brian Lamb a closted gay wingnut? I think he is. I think he's a elder David Drier.
Thanks Larry.


GravatarHere's the deal, (LARRY KING - CRIME PSYCHICS) is Brian Lamb a closted gay wingnut? I think he is. I think he's a elder David Drier.
Thanks Larry.


Gravatarjust for the fun of it i ran this mapplethorpe thread by my brother in law. who is a literary agent, a well-respected one. and has been one for over 40 years. working out of LA.

his assessment...this guy is a clown. would seem to know nothing of the book publishing milieu.

just another asshole who wants to masturbate secretly in public.

why this board responds to such nonsense continues to astonish me.

makes me rethink my presence at this site. i don't go to nascar races, y'know. i don't want to associate with those demented citizens. do you?


Gravatarjust for the fun of it i ran this mapplethorpe thread by my brother in law. who is a literary agent, a well-respected one. and has been one for over 40 years. working out of LA.

his assessment...this guy is a clown. would seem to know nothing of the book publishing milieu.

just another asshole who wants to masturbate secretly in public.

why this board responds to such nonsense continues to astonish me.

makes me rethink my presence at this site. i don't go to nascar races, y'know. i don't want to associate with those demented citizens. do you?


Gravatar"you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public..."

No we dont,just find a sector of the public who gives s shit about god and wants to hear about it. Dont burden the rest of us with those fairy tales.


Gravatar"you want to hang us good patriotic Americans for talking about God in public..."

No we dont,just find a sector of the public who gives s shit about god and wants to hear about it. Dont burden the rest of us with those fairy tales.


GravatarGreat News!!!

"Dear MoveOn member,

We're excited to tell you that your contribution yesterday not only helped us hit our goal of at least $250,000 to contribute to the Washington State recount but put the Gregoire campaign over the top. They announced today that they have successfully raised the minimum $750,000 that they need to proceed and they have called for the hand recount to begin. Christine Gregoire called personally and asked us to express her gratitude to you and other MoveOn members for helping ensure that all the ballots will be counted fairly."

I didn't believe this would happen, since it was so much money in so little time.

In case you don't know, the WA gov race has the $R ahead by 42 votes. That result is 1,000s more for the Dem, after mandatory machine 'recount' (which still ignores tons of unreadable-by-machine ballots). We may have just saved a state.

Congrats all around.

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GravatarGreat News!!!

"Dear MoveOn member,

We're excited to tell you that your contribution yesterday not only helped us hit our goal of at least $250,000 to contribute to the Washington State recount but put the Gregoire campaign over the top. They announced today that they have successfully raised the minimum $750,000 that they need to proceed and they have called for the hand recount to begin. Christine Gregoire called personally and asked us to express her gratitude to you and other MoveOn members for helping ensure that all the ballots will be counted fairly."

I didn't believe this would happen, since it was so much money in so little time.

In case you don't know, the WA gov race has the $R ahead by 42 votes. That result is 1,000s more for the Dem, after mandatory machine 'recount' (which still ignores tons of unreadable-by-machine ballots). We may have just saved a state.

Congrats all around.

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Gravatarand tune into greg palast.

concerning ohio.


Gravatarand tune into greg palast.

concerning ohio.


GravatarThe attack on LBJ (that he needed arm massages) is HILARIOUS.

Doris Kearns Goodwin told of how LBJ would get into her bed, saying "It's your president." Of course, that was when he wasn't VP any more.

As much as anyone might hate LBJ for the Vietnam war, or for being such a massive egotist, he was also a very powerful figure legally; as Bush is a powerful figure through every illegality the AEI ever came up with.

Lincoln and TR are no longer Republicans. They have both demanded reconsideration as Dems, because Bush is someone they would (Lincoln) wrassle until Bush is tied in a pretzel, or (TR) decapitate while sleeping with a 12" Bowie knife from between his teeth.

And both would be just as proud afterwards.

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GravatarThe attack on LBJ (that he needed arm massages) is HILARIOUS.

Doris Kearns Goodwin told of how LBJ would get into her bed, saying "It's your president." Of course, that was when he wasn't VP any more.

As much as anyone might hate LBJ for the Vietnam war, or for being such a massive egotist, he was also a very powerful figure legally; as Bush is a powerful figure through every illegality the AEI ever came up with.

Lincoln and TR are no longer Republicans. They have both demanded reconsideration as Dems, because Bush is someone they would (Lincoln) wrassle until Bush is tied in a pretzel, or (TR) decapitate while sleeping with a 12" Bowie knife from between his teeth.

And both would be just as proud afterwards.

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Gravataralbert - i like your posts. i hope you keep contributing.

palast - yes.

also, read confessions of an economic hitman. i'm reading it now - wow.


Gravataralbert - i like your posts. i hope you keep contributing.

palast - yes.

also, read confessions of an economic hitman. i'm reading it now - wow.


Gravatargee, i bet chris gets all stiff when he thinks of another brave politician who ignored the constitution and "went against the law" when he stood in the school-house door.

i bet he'd really get off on that story, if one of his interns read it to him or something.

what a tool.......his father must be proud.


Gravatargee, i bet chris gets all stiff when he thinks of another brave politician who ignored the constitution and "went against the law" when he stood in the school-house door.

i bet he'd really get off on that story, if one of his interns read it to him or something.

what a tool.......his father must be proud.


GravatarThen there's Richard Olney, Cleveland's attorney general, and former chief counsel to the Chicago and North Western Railway...
It's been this bad before. It will be again.
Where are Debs (and Clarence Darrow, who defended him) today?


GravatarThen there's Richard Olney, Cleveland's attorney general, and former chief counsel to the Chicago and North Western Railway...
It's been this bad before. It will be again.
Where are Debs (and Clarence Darrow, who defended him) today?


GravatarDid you know who was the first American president to break a strike? Not a member of the "pro-business" party--a Federalist or a Whig or a Republican. Not even a conservative Democrat like Cleveland. No, it was that champion of the "common man," Andrew Jackson! "Andrew Jackson became a strikebreaker in 1834 when he sent troops to the construction sites of the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal." http://www.dol.gov/asp/programs/.../ coalstrike.htm


GravatarDid you know who was the first American president to break a strike? Not a member of the "pro-business" party--a Federalist or a Whig or a Republican. Not even a conservative Democrat like Cleveland. No, it was that champion of the "common man," Andrew Jackson! "Andrew Jackson became a strikebreaker in 1834 when he sent troops to the construction sites of the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal." http://www.dol.gov/asp/programs/.../ coalstrike.htm


Gravatar"Mapplethorpe's Cross"

Mapplethorpe didn't photograph crosses. He photographed flowers and faces and homoerotic/sadistic fetishes. He was a complicated guy and often a complete, nasty jerk.

The artist who outraged the cross was Andres Serrano.

Artists aren't saints.


Gravatar"Mapplethorpe's Cross"

Mapplethorpe didn't photograph crosses. He photographed flowers and faces and homoerotic/sadistic fetishes. He was a complicated guy and often a complete, nasty jerk.

The artist who outraged the cross was Andres Serrano.

Artists aren't saints.


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