I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
But I want to gamble with my future! Let me gamble. Bill Bennet does it, why can't we?
But I want to gamble with my future! Let me gamble. Bill Bennet does it, why can't we?
Mankiw isn't admirable.
Mankiw isn't admirable.
It's the serf economy, stoo-pid!
It's the serf economy, stoo-pid!
I was nevewr good at algebra, but I sure understand getting fucked.
I was nevewr good at algebra, but I sure understand getting fucked.
I thought Mancow was going to resign.
Last one out of the cabinet room turn out the lights.
I thought Mancow was going to resign.
Last one out of the cabinet room turn out the lights.
Grandma's gonna freak when she hears her benefits are going to be cut.
Grandma's gonna freak when she hears her benefits are going to be cut.
It is really amazing to me the number of young people that have bought the line that there is not any use in continuing to pay SS money into the system because they will never be able to collect. I try to sweetly tell them that the only thing that will keep social security from paying out for them will be the Repugnicans.
dum dum dum!
Yes, let us just finish destroying the New Deal so people can once again starve and die and live horrible lives while the rich have their vacation homes in the South of France.
It is really amazing to me the number of young people that have bought the line that there is not any use in continuing to pay SS money into the system because they will never be able to collect. I try to sweetly tell them that the only thing that will keep social security from paying out for them will be the Repugnicans.
dum dum dum!
Yes, let us just finish destroying the New Deal so people can once again starve and die and live horrible lives while the rich have their vacation homes in the South of France.
The bushies never let the truth get in the way of their meme du jour.
The bushies never let the truth get in the way of their meme du jour.
What it really boils down to is that we have used the cumulative surplus in SS of 3.5 trillion dollars to fund our deficits over the last 25 years.
Now the loans are starting to come due, and SS is going to need the treasury to start paying back those loans via the sale of treasury bonds. Little problem, we already are running huge deficits in our current accounts. Who is going to buy those bonds to finance our current deficit, plus maturing bonds, plus the bonds to pay back SS, plus bonds to finance the privatization of a portion of SS?
Treasury could be looking at selling on the order of one trillion dollars of bonds this year in the private sector. If the buyers don't materialize, then interest rates have to rise to attract the buyers. But who wants to buy at even an attractive interest rate, if the dollar is devaluing against other major currencies?
We have screwed the pooch on this one.
What it really boils down to is that we have used the cumulative surplus in SS of 3.5 trillion dollars to fund our deficits over the last 25 years.
Now the loans are starting to come due, and SS is going to need the treasury to start paying back those loans via the sale of treasury bonds. Little problem, we already are running huge deficits in our current accounts. Who is going to buy those bonds to finance our current deficit, plus maturing bonds, plus the bonds to pay back SS, plus bonds to finance the privatization of a portion of SS?
Treasury could be looking at selling on the order of one trillion dollars of bonds this year in the private sector. If the buyers don't materialize, then interest rates have to rise to attract the buyers. But who wants to buy at even an attractive interest rate, if the dollar is devaluing against other major currencies?
We have screwed the pooch on this one.
Absolutely, SS needs financial tinkering rather than an overhaul to remain financially solvent. For example, lifting the cap on wages under which SS payments are required from the current $89,000 to a somewhat higher level would alone ensure its financial viability. If we were to use an additional tax on dividends or inheritence we'd probably have enough to pay SS for Mexico, Canada etc.
Its amazing how the Republicans, with the complicity of the media, can scare the public that we're facing insolvency. SS has been a huge success. Unlike our excellent Iraq adventure, its not ineffective, inefficiently run, nor mired in corruption.
Absolutely, SS needs financial tinkering rather than an overhaul to remain financially solvent. For example, lifting the cap on wages under which SS payments are required from the current $89,000 to a somewhat higher level would alone ensure its financial viability. If we were to use an additional tax on dividends or inheritence we'd probably have enough to pay SS for Mexico, Canada etc.
Its amazing how the Republicans, with the complicity of the media, can scare the public that we're facing insolvency. SS has been a huge success. Unlike our excellent Iraq adventure, its not ineffective, inefficiently run, nor mired in corruption.
isn't there an interesting corelation between: bush running up a huge deficit and cutting taxes, ie revenue sources, and then saying the only way to "save" SS (from them) is to cut the benefits to elderly folks who need SS to survive?
does it have to do with the perception most people hold of themselves that they are higher on the socio-economic scale than they actually are?
isn't there an interesting corelation between: bush running up a huge deficit and cutting taxes, ie revenue sources, and then saying the only way to "save" SS (from them) is to cut the benefits to elderly folks who need SS to survive?
does it have to do with the perception most people hold of themselves that they are higher on the socio-economic scale than they actually are?
William Hung's singing career is Social Security is more likely to survive the Bush administration than Social Security is.
Better buy a secure mattress.
William Hung's singing career is Social Security is more likely to survive the Bush administration than Social Security is.
Better buy a secure mattress.
do over
William Hung's singing career is more likely to survive the Bush administration than Social Security is.
Really, I mean, I hold no hope for it.
On what basis does one?
do over
William Hung's singing career is more likely to survive the Bush administration than Social Security is.
Really, I mean, I hold no hope for it.
On what basis does one?
The easy solution:
Your first $80 something K in income is taxable for SS. After that, no SS payroll tax.
Dems introduct amendment saying to pay for future SS benefits and secure it into the future, individual income over $200K will pay SS tax.
SO, 0-80K income- taxed- stays the same
80-200K in income- not taxed, stays the same.
over $200K in income- taxed, new.
This is the type of populist answer we need to their nonsense.
The easy solution:
Your first $80 something K in income is taxable for SS. After that, no SS payroll tax.
Dems introduct amendment saying to pay for future SS benefits and secure it into the future, individual income over $200K will pay SS tax.
SO, 0-80K income- taxed- stays the same
80-200K in income- not taxed, stays the same.
over $200K in income- taxed, new.
This is the type of populist answer we need to their nonsense.
OT: Bait for investigative keyboarders
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Bush, sensibly, gave Kerik a pre-hire tryout in the summer of 2002 in a gig that his experience prepped him much better for, training Iraqi police. So how'd Kerik do? Pretty poorly. Kerik's credited with upping the equipment of the forces, but he also neglected to run any background checks, meaning that, after Kerik left, the Iraqi police were so corrupt and insurgent-friendly that American leaders eventually demanded a purge. I write "after Kerik left" because he only stayed in Iraq for three months, leaving with no public announcement and for reasons which remain a mystery and which Newsday, among other outlets, has been trying to uncover ever since. The job, of course, was far from finished. In October, Prime Minister Iyad Allawi complained that the American training of his force was insufficient: "[The police's] capabilities are not complete and the situation is very difficult now in respect to creating the forces and getting them ready to face the challenges." That's not all Kerik's fault, but the problem he was assigned to fix probably deserved a stay of more than ninety days.
....
(emphasis by bo)
lifted from a blog entry on WashingtonMonthly.com by a guest blogger.
'Nother fine example of what a rathole Presidential Freedom Medal Winner Bremer's CPA was.
OT: Bait for investigative keyboarders
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Bush, sensibly, gave Kerik a pre-hire tryout in the summer of 2002 in a gig that his experience prepped him much better for, training Iraqi police. So how'd Kerik do? Pretty poorly. Kerik's credited with upping the equipment of the forces, but he also neglected to run any background checks, meaning that, after Kerik left, the Iraqi police were so corrupt and insurgent-friendly that American leaders eventually demanded a purge. I write "after Kerik left" because he only stayed in Iraq for three months, leaving with no public announcement and for reasons which remain a mystery and which Newsday, among other outlets, has been trying to uncover ever since. The job, of course, was far from finished. In October, Prime Minister Iyad Allawi complained that the American training of his force was insufficient: "[The police's] capabilities are not complete and the situation is very difficult now in respect to creating the forces and getting them ready to face the challenges." That's not all Kerik's fault, but the problem he was assigned to fix probably deserved a stay of more than ninety days.
....
(emphasis by bo)
lifted from a blog entry on WashingtonMonthly.com by a guest blogger.
'Nother fine example of what a rathole Presidential Freedom Medal Winner Bremer's CPA was.
Holden...It took me a long time but I finally remembered where Holden Caulfield came for - Catcher in the Rye. Very clever. You devil, you, I can finally sleep at nights and not lie awake trying to recall where I heard that name before.
Holden...It took me a long time but I finally remembered where Holden Caulfield came for - Catcher in the Rye. Very clever. You devil, you, I can finally sleep at nights and not lie awake trying to recall where I heard that name before.
Grandma isn't going to freak. AARP will tell her to stick her fingers in her ears and shout "La La La I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"
And she'll do it.
Then in 2006, the Republicans will blame the Democrats and she'll vote a straight-R party ticket.
Bless her heart.
Grandma isn't going to freak. AARP will tell her to stick her fingers in her ears and shout "La La La I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"
And she'll do it.
Then in 2006, the Republicans will blame the Democrats and she'll vote a straight-R party ticket.
Bless her heart.
Cut SS benefits? How can I even think about that little issue. Barry Bonds used steroids, Neverland is being searched again, Scott Peterson sentencing to be followed by Berettas trial. Atrios you obviously do not know what is important. LOL
Cut SS benefits? How can I even think about that little issue. Barry Bonds used steroids, Neverland is being searched again, Scott Peterson sentencing to be followed by Berettas trial. Atrios you obviously do not know what is important. LOL
Kerik is just another "loyalty" hire.
He'll do what the boss wants him to do and keep quiet about it.
Kerik is just another "loyalty" hire.
He'll do what the boss wants him to do and keep quiet about it.
The Mankiw quote is the reason no one heard any specifics about the SS plan before the election. He's the same guy whose comments about outsourcing got bush in trouble.
These small instances of ommission and lack of disclosure may ultimately be what undoes these people.
The Mankiw quote is the reason no one heard any specifics about the SS plan before the election. He's the same guy whose comments about outsourcing got bush in trouble.
These small instances of ommission and lack of disclosure may ultimately be what undoes these people.
"Bush's promise not to cut the benfits of those currently retired or near to retirement, the system can easily be sustained."
Bush won't cut benefits to these people that vote for him, he's gonna cut my benefits cause I don't get them for 25 years or more.
"Bush's promise not to cut the benfits of those currently retired or near to retirement, the system can easily be sustained."
Bush won't cut benefits to these people that vote for him, he's gonna cut my benefits cause I don't get them for 25 years or more.
Holden...It took me a long time but I finally remembered where Holden Caulfield came for - Catcher in the Rye. Very clever. You devil, you, I can finally sleep at nights and not lie awake trying to recall where I heard that name before.
Carter
Actually, that's my real name.
Honest.
OK, maybe not.
Holden...It took me a long time but I finally remembered where Holden Caulfield came for - Catcher in the Rye. Very clever. You devil, you, I can finally sleep at nights and not lie awake trying to recall where I heard that name before.
Carter
Actually, that's my real name.
Honest.
OK, maybe not.
Not my grandma. She'll be yelling at anyone and everyone, "God-damnit, WHERE's my MONEY. How do you expect me to live! Everyone owes me! Gimme gimme gimmee!!"
Grandma likes to play the guilt card.
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Not my grandma. She'll be yelling at anyone and everyone, "God-damnit, WHERE's my MONEY. How do you expect me to live! Everyone owes me! Gimme gimme gimmee!!"
Grandma likes to play the guilt card.
.
Gonz, he already has (see bo's post above).
Gonz, he already has (see bo's post above).
From an NPR piece on Kerik this morning, Kerik's term for handling people in the NY Police & Corrections was to "whack" them. Fun guy.
From an NPR piece on Kerik this morning, Kerik's term for handling people in the NY Police & Corrections was to "whack" them. Fun guy.
Didn't I post this awhile back? Why, yes....
"There's actually a reasonable chance that they're sustainable without any changes to the program at all, given the rather pessimistic assumptions used to predict its future. But, in any case, with minor revenue enhancements to this system, which would cost far less than any "privatization" plan which would satisfy Bush's promise not to cut the benfits of those currently retired or near to retirement, the system can easily be sustained."
This being so, and we all are perfectly aware that it is, because we all read the Moyniham report and the footnotes that went with it, please forgive the -wrong- reaction from the Boomer crowd. One of the key elements of Boomer psychology is simply this: We Got Ours. We are not nice. We do not Share. Thus, you tell me and I well believe, that absent the lame-duck quacking at an empty Cabinet table, Social Security will be paying out my $1600/month it owes me thru 2042, my response is, that's just fine with me. That's just about as long as I calculate I'll be living. Pay up.
Didn't I post this awhile back? Why, yes....
"There's actually a reasonable chance that they're sustainable without any changes to the program at all, given the rather pessimistic assumptions used to predict its future. But, in any case, with minor revenue enhancements to this system, which would cost far less than any "privatization" plan which would satisfy Bush's promise not to cut the benfits of those currently retired or near to retirement, the system can easily be sustained."
This being so, and we all are perfectly aware that it is, because we all read the Moyniham report and the footnotes that went with it, please forgive the -wrong- reaction from the Boomer crowd. One of the key elements of Boomer psychology is simply this: We Got Ours. We are not nice. We do not Share. Thus, you tell me and I well believe, that absent the lame-duck quacking at an empty Cabinet table, Social Security will be paying out my $1600/month it owes me thru 2042, my response is, that's just fine with me. That's just about as long as I calculate I'll be living. Pay up.
I guess the sheeple will continue to think that tax cuts for the rich are more impoertant than poor people getting their SS existence. I know Jesus would agree.
I guess the sheeple will continue to think that tax cuts for the rich are more impoertant than poor people getting their SS existence. I know Jesus would agree.
make that "handling dissenting people in his organization"
make that "handling dissenting people in his organization"
Bush won't cut benefits to these people that vote for him, he's gonna cut my benefits cause I don't get them for 25 years or more.
krsaz
Yepper.
Start calling it what it is,
http://www.first-draft.com/modul...hold=0\">fiscal child abuse.
Meme-city, baby.
Bush won't cut benefits to these people that vote for him, he's gonna cut my benefits cause I don't get them for 25 years or more.
krsaz
Yepper.
Start calling it what it is,
http://www.first-draft.com/modul...hold=0\">fiscal child abuse.
Meme-city, baby.
We can all take up serfing. The poor farm near Portland was recently turned into a brewpub. With a little initiative, Newtie's dream will once again be reality and all the red-state-of-mind losers can drink their troubles away.
We can all take up serfing. The poor farm near Portland was recently turned into a brewpub. With a little initiative, Newtie's dream will once again be reality and all the red-state-of-mind losers can drink their troubles away.
my, that went well, HC.
my, that went well, HC.
Grandma isn't going to freak. AARP will tell her to stick her fingers in her ears and shout "La La La I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"
And she'll do it.
Then in 2006, the Republicans will blame the Democrats and she'll vote a straight-R party ticket.
Bless her heart.
My grandma in Maine voted for Bush. She's been complaining about all the people who said they'd leave if he won: "well, why don't they?" I'm so glad I didn't got to Thanksgiving at her place (well, of course, her house burned down the week before, but still)...
Grandma isn't going to freak. AARP will tell her to stick her fingers in her ears and shout "La La La I can't hear you, I can't hear you!"
And she'll do it.
Then in 2006, the Republicans will blame the Democrats and she'll vote a straight-R party ticket.
Bless her heart.
My grandma in Maine voted for Bush. She's been complaining about all the people who said they'd leave if he won: "well, why don't they?" I'm so glad I didn't got to Thanksgiving at her place (well, of course, her house burned down the week before, but still)...
Shorter Mankiw - Better have some kids, so you will have a place to live and food to eat when you get old.
Shorter Mankiw - Better have some kids, so you will have a place to live and food to eat when you get old.
No "free lunches"! Damn these people. I've been paying into SS for over 40 years. It's MY MONEY and I expect to get the benefit of it in a few more years. SS isn't charity; it's not something for nothing. IT'S MY MONEY! If they're not going to give it back to me when I need it, then I want ALL of it back NOW!
No "free lunches"! Damn these people. I've been paying into SS for over 40 years. It's MY MONEY and I expect to get the benefit of it in a few more years. SS isn't charity; it's not something for nothing. IT'S MY MONEY! If they're not going to give it back to me when I need it, then I want ALL of it back NOW!
To be honest with you, I just turned 44 a couple of months ago, and I don't expect to see Social Security benefits. I think we're probably going to have to work at one job or another for the rest of our lives. I'm already walking 3 miles a day just to keep my body in half way decent shape so that I can work into my 70s.
My heart aches for our children. They shouldn't have to mop up the results of Bush's colossal fuck-ups, but they will.
To be honest with you, I just turned 44 a couple of months ago, and I don't expect to see Social Security benefits. I think we're probably going to have to work at one job or another for the rest of our lives. I'm already walking 3 miles a day just to keep my body in half way decent shape so that I can work into my 70s.
My heart aches for our children. They shouldn't have to mop up the results of Bush's colossal fuck-ups, but they will.
BREAKING NEWS- Rumsfailed staying for another 4 years.
BREAKING NEWS- Rumsfailed staying for another 4 years.
Mankiw's death needs to be horrible, painful, and prolonged.
He deserves no less.
As for SS financing, this is simple. We exterminate the parasites at the top, confiscate all their wealth, and use the confiscated swag to finance SS and the rest of the government, for that matter. Confiscating stolen goods is perfectly acceptable. I suggest we start with the Enron maggots and work our way though the rest of the criminal scum in three piece suits.
BTW, in order to heighten the pain for the filth, we only execute them AFTER we've confiscated every last dime.
Mankiw's death needs to be horrible, painful, and prolonged.
He deserves no less.
As for SS financing, this is simple. We exterminate the parasites at the top, confiscate all their wealth, and use the confiscated swag to finance SS and the rest of the government, for that matter. Confiscating stolen goods is perfectly acceptable. I suggest we start with the Enron maggots and work our way though the rest of the criminal scum in three piece suits.
BTW, in order to heighten the pain for the filth, we only execute them AFTER we've confiscated every last dime.
Hey, any theories on why Mankiw (gesundheit!) waited to drop these pearls of wisdom until after the election?
Sure is a puzzler.
And remember how Kerry was called a scaremonger for saying, uh, pretty much what Mankiw (bless you!) just said?
That one's a snorter, a pancake, by the hokey.
Hey, any theories on why Mankiw (gesundheit!) waited to drop these pearls of wisdom until after the election?
Sure is a puzzler.
And remember how Kerry was called a scaremonger for saying, uh, pretty much what Mankiw (bless you!) just said?
That one's a snorter, a pancake, by the hokey.
"Moyniham" = Moynihan. Bless his heart. Guess I shouldn't have given up that job as a production typist, just because I got that stinking PhD.
"Moyniham" = Moynihan. Bless his heart. Guess I shouldn't have given up that job as a production typist, just because I got that stinking PhD.
cosmosis, recently? you must work in geologic timeframes. Been a pub for at least 10 years.
cosmosis, recently? you must work in geologic timeframes. Been a pub for at least 10 years.
Now I'm depressed all over again.....
Now I'm depressed all over again.....
If those benefits aren't currently unsustainable, Nero and his drooling minions will do their best to make them unsustainable.
And whether those efforts actually work, or not, the media courtesans will take up the chorus: "We must end Social Security! It's for the good of the empire!"
The airwaves and newsprint will be deluged with "experts" telling us about how Clinton should have ended Social Security when he had the chance, because it could have saved Social Security for future generations. Of course, that makes no sense, but since when have the media whores cared whether anything coming out of Nero's pie-hole made any sense?
Invest in foreign currency, guns, and ammunition. That is your new Social Security.
If those benefits aren't currently unsustainable, Nero and his drooling minions will do their best to make them unsustainable.
And whether those efforts actually work, or not, the media courtesans will take up the chorus: "We must end Social Security! It's for the good of the empire!"
The airwaves and newsprint will be deluged with "experts" telling us about how Clinton should have ended Social Security when he had the chance, because it could have saved Social Security for future generations. Of course, that makes no sense, but since when have the media whores cared whether anything coming out of Nero's pie-hole made any sense?
Invest in foreign currency, guns, and ammunition. That is your new Social Security.
OT- Kerik was born to a prostitute that was killed by her pimp. He is a high school drop out.
W's kind of people.
OT- Kerik was born to a prostitute that was killed by her pimp. He is a high school drop out.
W's kind of people.
Damn, dropped a tag.
Try again: fiscal child abuse.
Damn, dropped a tag.
Try again: fiscal child abuse.
It's unfair to characterize all old people as pro-Bush. Back in 2000, my Grandmother said "Within 3 years the economy will be in the tank, we'll be in a war and he'll be back on the bottle" She's batting at least .667, maybe a thousand. Although the rush of torturing prisoners of war may help keep him off the sauce.
It's unfair to characterize all old people as pro-Bush. Back in 2000, my Grandmother said "Within 3 years the economy will be in the tank, we'll be in a war and he'll be back on the bottle" She's batting at least .667, maybe a thousand. Although the rush of torturing prisoners of war may help keep him off the sauce.
It's not Kerik's choice of parents that bothers me. It's the stuff he's done on his own since.
It's not Kerik's choice of parents that bothers me. It's the stuff he's done on his own since.
Robert,
this is for you: 
It's Friday night, and I'm heading out for cocktails. I'll tip a few in honor of all of you.
Robert,
this is for you:
It's Friday night, and I'm heading out for cocktails. I'll tip a few in honor of all of you.
At the risk of being repetitive, there are two goals here:
1) Get rid of Social Security.
2) Obscure the fact that (1) is the real goal.
This is the final phase of a long-planned assault on every last vestige of the New Deal. Helping ordinary Americans is somehow immoral, apparently, and thus the New Deal is on the order of a pact with Satan.
Never mind that the programs FDR instated were responses to specific problems and abuses. Never mind that the bright minds behind the elimination of Social Security want to restore an economic model that failed catastrophically -- and globally -- in the 1930's. Never mind that model failed periodically every 20 years or so -- that's why it was the Great Depression. Never mind that this model created such desperation in working Americans that they were willing to risk cracked skulls and worse to protest it and try to change it. (Chris fucking Wallace be damned!)
Nope, none of that's important. What's important -- as near as I can tell -- is that people with more wealth than they know what to do with get even more, because that's God's immaculate plan or something.
And here's the fun part... When they finish their divinely ordained mission, and the system fails catastrophically again, there will be no way to recover. That, too, is part of the plan. Their ideological progenitors failed to anticipate the first FDR; so they will make sure the next FDR -- should this country still be able to produce one -- is incapable of taking any action whatsoever. And they will do this by keeping the deficit at a record high, and functionally bankrupting the US Treasury.
Oh, and don't forget to support the troops.
At the risk of being repetitive, there are two goals here:
1) Get rid of Social Security.
2) Obscure the fact that (1) is the real goal.
This is the final phase of a long-planned assault on every last vestige of the New Deal. Helping ordinary Americans is somehow immoral, apparently, and thus the New Deal is on the order of a pact with Satan.
Never mind that the programs FDR instated were responses to specific problems and abuses. Never mind that the bright minds behind the elimination of Social Security want to restore an economic model that failed catastrophically -- and globally -- in the 1930's. Never mind that model failed periodically every 20 years or so -- that's why it was the Great Depression. Never mind that this model created such desperation in working Americans that they were willing to risk cracked skulls and worse to protest it and try to change it. (Chris fucking Wallace be damned!)
Nope, none of that's important. What's important -- as near as I can tell -- is that people with more wealth than they know what to do with get even more, because that's God's immaculate plan or something.
And here's the fun part... When they finish their divinely ordained mission, and the system fails catastrophically again, there will be no way to recover. That, too, is part of the plan. Their ideological progenitors failed to anticipate the first FDR; so they will make sure the next FDR -- should this country still be able to produce one -- is incapable of taking any action whatsoever. And they will do this by keeping the deficit at a record high, and functionally bankrupting the US Treasury.
Oh, and don't forget to support the troops.
Now I'm depressed all over again.....
Robert M. Jeffers
Don't worry, you are going to be raptured soon.
Now I'm depressed all over again.....
Robert M. Jeffers
Don't worry, you are going to be raptured soon.
Holden, I've been calling Bush's economic policy Pedophilic Economic Sodomy for 3 years.
Holden, I've been calling Bush's economic policy Pedophilic Economic Sodomy for 3 years.
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Speaking of numbers, don't forget to vote. Just a reminder, the General is listed under 'humor'.
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Speaking of numbers, don't forget to vote. Just a reminder, the General is listed under 'humor'.
Incidentally, AARP has announced its utter opposition to any kind of Social Security tinkering by the Shrubbery.
And, hey! NYMary! Baby needs this instead of that fussy old dress thingie.
Incidentally, AARP has announced its utter opposition to any kind of Social Security tinkering by the Shrubbery.
And, hey! NYMary! Baby needs this instead of that fussy old dress thingie.
Don't worry, you are going to be raptured soon.
No, probably not.
I'll be "Left Behind..."
Don't worry, you are going to be raptured soon.
No, probably not.
I'll be "Left Behind..."
Now I'm depressed all over again.....
Every day, another nightmare. Is it 5:00 yet? Can I have that beer?
Holden, really like that phrase. "Fiscal Child Abuse." Somebody in the DP needs to appropriate it immediately. a sound-bite even the Bush-voters will understand.
Now I'm depressed all over again.....
Every day, another nightmare. Is it 5:00 yet? Can I have that beer?
Holden, really like that phrase. "Fiscal Child Abuse." Somebody in the DP needs to appropriate it immediately. a sound-bite even the Bush-voters will understand.
AUUUGGGGHHHHH! Instapundent is winning big time over Atrios! He's definitely sending out his right wing troops!
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AUUUGGGGHHHHH! Instapundent is winning big time over Atrios! He's definitely sending out his right wing troops!
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GWPDA- you think Weenie gives a fuck about the AARP. They rolled over on medicare, they will roll over again.
GWPDA- you think Weenie gives a fuck about the AARP. They rolled over on medicare, they will roll over again.
OT concerning the recent hire for Homeland Security Czar:
This guy must have either the greatest PR guy ever or this is a perfect hire for the administration as his biggest accomplishment was being a loyal toady to Sylvester the Mayor. As the rats desert the sinking ship, Bush of course fixes the problem by continuing to hire yes man.
In his book, which is probably in the 99 cent bin outside the Strand, Kerik said his mother was a prostitute, well apparently the apple doesnt fall too far from the tree. If he really cared about the city he wouldnt have quit as police commissioner to follow Massah Giuliani in private life.
OT concerning the recent hire for Homeland Security Czar:
This guy must have either the greatest PR guy ever or this is a perfect hire for the administration as his biggest accomplishment was being a loyal toady to Sylvester the Mayor. As the rats desert the sinking ship, Bush of course fixes the problem by continuing to hire yes man.
In his book, which is probably in the 99 cent bin outside the Strand, Kerik said his mother was a prostitute, well apparently the apple doesnt fall too far from the tree. If he really cared about the city he wouldnt have quit as police commissioner to follow Massah Giuliani in private life.
Incidentally, AARP has announced its utter opposition to any kind of Social Security tinkering by the Shrubbery.
Yeah, like Bush hasn't played them like a harp before....
Incidentally, AARP has announced its utter opposition to any kind of Social Security tinkering by the Shrubbery.
Yeah, like Bush hasn't played them like a harp before....
Holden, I've been calling Bush's economic policy Pedophilic Economic Sodomy for 3 years.
bo
Didn't invent it, just tryin' to spread it.
Sorta like Bernie Kerik's mom.
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Holden, I've been calling Bush's economic policy Pedophilic Economic Sodomy for 3 years.
bo
Didn't invent it, just tryin' to spread it.
Sorta like Bernie Kerik's mom.
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It's Friday night, and I'm heading out for cocktails. I'll tip a few in honor of all of you.
You're an hour ahead of me, but you remind me it's time to go to the liquor store for the Xmas bottle of Laphroaig....
It's Friday night, and I'm heading out for cocktails. I'll tip a few in honor of all of you.
You're an hour ahead of me, but you remind me it's time to go to the liquor store for the Xmas bottle of Laphroaig....
IT'S MY MONEY! If they're not going to give it back to me when I need it, then I want ALL of it back NOW! - sjct
It actually isn't your money. Social Security is not a savings account. It started paying out immediately upon creation. The first people who drew social security checks hadn't paid a dime into it. We are paying now for today's retirees. Our children will pay for our retirement, etc. Any reform (i.e. pillage)of the system must take this offset into account. But here I am talking rationally. Roddy McCorley nailed it above:
there are two goals here:
1) Get rid of Social Security.
2) Obscure the fact that (1) is the real goal.
IT'S MY MONEY! If they're not going to give it back to me when I need it, then I want ALL of it back NOW! - sjct
It actually isn't your money. Social Security is not a savings account. It started paying out immediately upon creation. The first people who drew social security checks hadn't paid a dime into it. We are paying now for today's retirees. Our children will pay for our retirement, etc. Any reform (i.e. pillage)of the system must take this offset into account. But here I am talking rationally. Roddy McCorley nailed it above:
there are two goals here:
1) Get rid of Social Security.
2) Obscure the fact that (1) is the real goal.
Mankiw states in the article "Let me state clearly that there will be no free lunches." Excuse me asshole, wtf do you mean "free lunch", I've worked for 30 years and paid into the system and somehow my benefits are a "free lunch".
Fuck these guys, if they want class warfare, let's give it to them.
Mankiw states in the article "Let me state clearly that there will be no free lunches." Excuse me asshole, wtf do you mean "free lunch", I've worked for 30 years and paid into the system and somehow my benefits are a "free lunch".
Fuck these guys, if they want class warfare, let's give it to them.
RMJ, didn't know you were a single-malt fancier. And an Islay man at that. Mr. TJ has quite an impressive collection--if you're ever in New Orleans, come over. He loves to share his scotch.
RMJ, didn't know you were a single-malt fancier. And an Islay man at that. Mr. TJ has quite an impressive collection--if you're ever in New Orleans, come over. He loves to share his scotch.
You're an hour ahead of me, but you remind me it's time to go to the liquor store for the Xmas bottle of Laphroaig....
Robert M. Jeffers
I'm headin' out for some Bailey's Irish Cream so I cna float around the room.
'Cause that's how I roll.
You're an hour ahead of me, but you remind me it's time to go to the liquor store for the Xmas bottle of Laphroaig....
Robert M. Jeffers
I'm headin' out for some Bailey's Irish Cream so I cna float around the room.
'Cause that's how I roll.
I'm sure the Republican will claim that payroll taxes steal money from the pockets of ordinary Americans and that they just want to give it back to us so that we can decide how to spend it. But the truth will remain that they object to the employer's share being taken and used to help retirees. They don't give a shit about your money; it is their money that they obsess over. And the fact that payroll taxes are fully deductible means nothing to a corporation that pays no income taxes.
I'm sure the Republican will claim that payroll taxes steal money from the pockets of ordinary Americans and that they just want to give it back to us so that we can decide how to spend it. But the truth will remain that they object to the employer's share being taken and used to help retirees. They don't give a shit about your money; it is their money that they obsess over. And the fact that payroll taxes are fully deductible means nothing to a corporation that pays no income taxes.
"you think Weenie gives a fuck about the AARP. "
No. But the AARP's endorsement is what got the prescription drugs bill passed without the resistance of one of the largest voting blocs - old people. Thus, it matters. Think.
"you think Weenie gives a fuck about the AARP. "
No. But the AARP's endorsement is what got the prescription drugs bill passed without the resistance of one of the largest voting blocs - old people. Thus, it matters. Think.
Mmmmm . . . Laphroaig . . .
Mmmmm . . . Laphroaig . . .
Yes, my asshole is starting to burn - but is not fully bleeding yet.
Am I too optimistic?
Yes, my asshole is starting to burn - but is not fully bleeding yet.
Am I too optimistic?
Yep, its Friday nite and need to rest before I take this over 50 body with 3 degrees to work all nite, unloading trucks.
PS Luv ya weenie.
Yep, its Friday nite and need to rest before I take this over 50 body with 3 degrees to work all nite, unloading trucks.
PS Luv ya weenie.
I'm headin' out for some Bailey's Irish Cream so I cna float around the room.
Ya' ever tried Laphroaig?
You'll float, alright....
...water of life, indeed....
I'm headin' out for some Bailey's Irish Cream so I cna float around the room.
Ya' ever tried Laphroaig?
You'll float, alright....
...water of life, indeed....
Is he related the that Mancow dude?
Is he related the that Mancow dude?
Instapundent is winning big time over Atrios! He's definitely sending out his right wing troops!
Since that's a right-wing poll at a right-wing site, what do you expect?
Instapundent is winning big time over Atrios! He's definitely sending out his right wing troops!
Since that's a right-wing poll at a right-wing site, what do you expect?
http://2004weblogawards.com/archives/poll.php
Yeah, thanks. Once again I'm overlooked, even in the photoblog category. Good thing I've been drinking since 3pm--I hear it's good for you when you're suffering from the flu.
http://2004weblogawards.com/archives/poll.php
Yeah, thanks. Once again I'm overlooked, even in the photoblog category. Good thing I've been drinking since 3pm--I hear it's good for you when you're suffering from the flu.
coitus bush -
Solidarity forever.
coitus bush -
Solidarity forever.
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"As for SS financing, we exterminate the parasites at the top, confiscate all their wealth, and use the confiscated swag to finance SS and the rest of the government, for that matter. Confiscating stolen goods is perfectly acceptable. I suggest we start with the Enron maggots and work our way though the rest of the criminal scum in three piece suits."
I'll vote for that, Gary.
Madame LeFarge (spelling?)
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"As for SS financing, we exterminate the parasites at the top, confiscate all their wealth, and use the confiscated swag to finance SS and the rest of the government, for that matter. Confiscating stolen goods is perfectly acceptable. I suggest we start with the Enron maggots and work our way though the rest of the criminal scum in three piece suits."
I'll vote for that, Gary.
Madame LeFarge (spelling?)
I hear it's good for you when you're suffering from the flu.
Well, I have been sniffling....
I hear it's good for you when you're suffering from the flu.
Well, I have been sniffling....
Don Julio for me thanks, maybe I'll move to Mexico and open an agave plantation.
Don Julio for me thanks, maybe I'll move to Mexico and open an agave plantation.
GWPDA- Lets see, the medicare reform raped the people to benefit the pharm and insurance industries, while giving a bone to the old and poor. the ss makeover gives a fortune to Wall Street and.....
GWPDA- Lets see, the medicare reform raped the people to benefit the pharm and insurance industries, while giving a bone to the old and poor. the ss makeover gives a fortune to Wall Street and.....
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
Not that I don't agree with you 100%, but...follow the money.
It should happen. It won't. Bush shouldn't be allowed near Social Security. He'll get there.
Yeesh.
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
Not that I don't agree with you 100%, but...follow the money.
It should happen. It won't. Bush shouldn't be allowed near Social Security. He'll get there.
Yeesh.
Off-topic, but there's a blog contest in which Horrid Little Green Footballs is winning:
http://2004weblogawards.com/archives/000079.php
Give Atrios, or Kos, or your favorite blog some love.
Off-topic, but there's a blog contest in which Horrid Little Green Footballs is winning:
http://2004weblogawards.com/archives/000079.php
Give Atrios, or Kos, or your favorite blog some love.
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
I'm with you. I just crossed the magic line -- $89K BTW -- and I have to admit it's a nice little bump in the paycheck, but the reality is we need to keep this program healthy and solvent or else revert to the old program which involved starving seniors and orphans.
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
I'm with you. I just crossed the magic line -- $89K BTW -- and I have to admit it's a nice little bump in the paycheck, but the reality is we need to keep this program healthy and solvent or else revert to the old program which involved starving seniors and orphans.
Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
...With Bush safely ensconced in term 2, you'd think he could get away with that and be a hero to the elderly for saving SS. Instead he wants to play Argentinean Roulette.
Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
...With Bush safely ensconced in term 2, you'd think he could get away with that and be a hero to the elderly for saving SS. Instead he wants to play Argentinean Roulette.
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
dave
A fine idea, but why have an upper ceiling. Don't have a ceiling and lower the main retirement age by 3 to 5 years. What good is the Democratic party if they can't propose this stuff.
While we're at it, make the work week 35 hours and make 4 weeks of paid vacation mandatory.
BTW, can someone please explain to me why no one is willing to propose raising the upper income ceiling on SSI taxes? Isn't it about $80K now? Why aren't we doubling that?
dave
A fine idea, but why have an upper ceiling. Don't have a ceiling and lower the main retirement age by 3 to 5 years. What good is the Democratic party if they can't propose this stuff.
While we're at it, make the work week 35 hours and make 4 weeks of paid vacation mandatory.
Nobody is suggesting raising the ceiling on SS because in reality nothing is wrong with SS.
What is wrong is we cannot continue to run these massive deficits. So, do we raise taxes, or dismantle SS? The party in power will not raise taxes so...
Nobody is suggesting raising the ceiling on SS because in reality nothing is wrong with SS.
What is wrong is we cannot continue to run these massive deficits. So, do we raise taxes, or dismantle SS? The party in power will not raise taxes so...
Yeah. My wife makes over $80. We happen to enjoy that couple months of the year when its extra lemme tell you.
Yeah. My wife makes over $80. We happen to enjoy that couple months of the year when its extra lemme tell you.
uh Dave, Weenie does NOT want to save SS. Remember, if you are poor, it is because you are lazy.
I never mention that to the people I know that work 2 and 3 jobs though.
uh Dave, Weenie does NOT want to save SS. Remember, if you are poor, it is because you are lazy.
I never mention that to the people I know that work 2 and 3 jobs though.
Hmmm,
Bush's answer to jobless was retraining at junior colleges. Maybe the lack of Social Security can be handled the same way. I can see the continuing ed class listings now:
Basic Smash & Grab
Bank Robbery Made Simple
Fundamentals of Larceny...
Hmmm,
Bush's answer to jobless was retraining at junior colleges. Maybe the lack of Social Security can be handled the same way. I can see the continuing ed class listings now:
Basic Smash & Grab
Bank Robbery Made Simple
Fundamentals of Larceny...
NTodd:
Irish cure for the common cold:
Place a hat on the bedpost
get into bed with a bottle of whiskey
drink until you see two hats...
NTodd:
Irish cure for the common cold:
Place a hat on the bedpost
get into bed with a bottle of whiskey
drink until you see two hats...
I'm in my mid-30s and I know SS wont be there for me except maybe the Waffen SS. Heard a rumor online the other day the the fundies are planning to begin training their own elite Special Forces...
I'm in my mid-30s and I know SS wont be there for me except maybe the Waffen SS. Heard a rumor online the other day the the fundies are planning to begin training their own elite Special Forces...
Irish cure for the common cold:
Might work for enduring Bush II. Probably need more than one bottle of whiskey.
Irish cure for the common cold:
Might work for enduring Bush II. Probably need more than one bottle of whiskey.
Bo-
Those are basics every person should know.
Just like hunting and fishing to support a family of 4.
Thinking well in advance of your basic human needs; shelter, cooking, water, etc.
Never hurts to have a contengency plan. Or 2. If not more.
Bo-
Those are basics every person should know.
Just like hunting and fishing to support a family of 4.
Thinking well in advance of your basic human needs; shelter, cooking, water, etc.
Never hurts to have a contengency plan. Or 2. If not more.
Thompson leaving cabinet as HHS head, says he is most proud of medicare prescription law. Any bets that he will soon be working at a mil a year at a big pharma company?
Thompson leaving cabinet as HHS head, says he is most proud of medicare prescription law. Any bets that he will soon be working at a mil a year at a big pharma company?
Irish cure for the common cold:
Might work for enduring Bush II. Probably need more than one bottle of whiskey.
bo-I presume that is daily?
Irish cure for the common cold:
Might work for enduring Bush II. Probably need more than one bottle of whiskey.
bo-I presume that is daily?
coitus, mijo, I agree with you. My only position in this is that AARP is taking a stance opposite its lovey-sweeties amongst the shrubbery and that I, a born-to Boomer, have no intention of allowing the Shrubbery within spitting distance of Social Security because it's -mine-. Forty goddamn years of paying in money, it's -mine-. On the other hand, if SS really is the third rail, then I'm more than willing to help Mr. Shrubbery out in locating just exactly where to step in order to produce the best result.
coitus, mijo, I agree with you. My only position in this is that AARP is taking a stance opposite its lovey-sweeties amongst the shrubbery and that I, a born-to Boomer, have no intention of allowing the Shrubbery within spitting distance of Social Security because it's -mine-. Forty goddamn years of paying in money, it's -mine-. On the other hand, if SS really is the third rail, then I'm more than willing to help Mr. Shrubbery out in locating just exactly where to step in order to produce the best result.
You know, it wouldn't be that hard to save Social Security.
First, we need a Web site. A good, professionally designed one. It should prominently show Atrios' cited graph, which illustrates that even if money "runs out" in 2042 benefits will still be higher than they are today in real dollars.
But the fun part would be an *interactive* feature, which allows you to "fix" SS any way you want. Raise the cap...raise contributions...lower contributions on people earning less than $80K...lower benefits or rate of increases...then print out your personal recommendation and mail it in.
Once the site is built, we place ads in AARP magazine and other places serving various demographic groups. Send out press releases (the press loves interactive sites like this). Get someone on TV (maybe Oprah).
It's a cool and simple idea that's nonpartisan because it's just a tool. But anybody who uses the tool will figure out the truth--that SS is *not* in danger.
Could cost a couple of million. Any fundraisers out there?
You know, it wouldn't be that hard to save Social Security.
First, we need a Web site. A good, professionally designed one. It should prominently show Atrios' cited graph, which illustrates that even if money "runs out" in 2042 benefits will still be higher than they are today in real dollars.
But the fun part would be an *interactive* feature, which allows you to "fix" SS any way you want. Raise the cap...raise contributions...lower contributions on people earning less than $80K...lower benefits or rate of increases...then print out your personal recommendation and mail it in.
Once the site is built, we place ads in AARP magazine and other places serving various demographic groups. Send out press releases (the press loves interactive sites like this). Get someone on TV (maybe Oprah).
It's a cool and simple idea that's nonpartisan because it's just a tool. But anybody who uses the tool will figure out the truth--that SS is *not* in danger.
Could cost a couple of million. Any fundraisers out there?
B'dog,
Working on quietizing my walker now. That "clack, clack, clack" is such a give away when you're trying to sneak up on someone.
B'dog,
Working on quietizing my walker now. That "clack, clack, clack" is such a give away when you're trying to sneak up on someone.
Brian,
PRN.
Brian,
PRN.
Did you see this quote from a departing Tommy Thompson?
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
...I have seen self-criticism before, but not quite on this grand a scale. Isn't he basically saying 'I was useless and so was that fucker Ridge, so we're all going to die!'
Did you see this quote from a departing Tommy Thompson?
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
...I have seen self-criticism before, but not quite on this grand a scale. Isn't he basically saying 'I was useless and so was that fucker Ridge, so we're all going to die!'
Another Bruce
You're right about the proposals. Dems should have some. Increase taxes on the rich, preserve current benefits, *and lower FICA on the first $80K of income!*.
Hey NTodd, not much of a comment kinda person, but was just over at your blog. I love your photographs. I checked out a couple of the ones that were nominated, yours are much better.
Another Bruce
You're right about the proposals. Dems should have some. Increase taxes on the rich, preserve current benefits, *and lower FICA on the first $80K of income!*.
Hey NTodd, not much of a comment kinda person, but was just over at your blog. I love your photographs. I checked out a couple of the ones that were nominated, yours are much better.
Bush's Ohio Win Was Closer Than Thought
TOLEDO, Ohio -- President Bush's victory over John Kerry in Ohio was closer than the unofficial election night totals showed, but the change is not enough to trigger an automatic recount, according to county-by-county results provided to The Associated Press on Friday.
Bush's margin of victory in the state that put him over the top in his re-election bid will be about 119,000 votes, which is smaller than the unofficial margin of 136,000, the county election board figures showed. That means Kerry drew closer by about 17,000 votes.
Bush's Ohio Win Was Closer Than Thought
TOLEDO, Ohio -- President Bush's victory over John Kerry in Ohio was closer than the unofficial election night totals showed, but the change is not enough to trigger an automatic recount, according to county-by-county results provided to The Associated Press on Friday.
Bush's margin of victory in the state that put him over the top in his re-election bid will be about 119,000 votes, which is smaller than the unofficial margin of 136,000, the county election board figures showed. That means Kerry drew closer by about 17,000 votes.
I gave up that fucking cane. Bastard was a dead give away.
I'd rather hobble along with my "Kiss my Crippled Ass" t-shirt on.
Fuck 'em.
I gave up that fucking cane. Bastard was a dead give away.
I'd rather hobble along with my "Kiss my Crippled Ass" t-shirt on.
Fuck 'em.
Could cost a couple of million. Any fundraisers out there?
Smallbottle
...not a bad idea at all.
If the DNC with it's new leadership decides to be a forward thinking pro-active group, this would be a good pet project.
Could cost a couple of million. Any fundraisers out there?
Smallbottle
...not a bad idea at all.
If the DNC with it's new leadership decides to be a forward thinking pro-active group, this would be a good pet project.
Don Julio for me thanks, maybe I'll move to Mexico and open an agave plantation.
Another Bruce
Aw, man, I can't even look at a bottle of tequila anymore--little devils appear whispering naughty, stupid things I could do. The "brown" liquors: hangover city. Vodka: sleepytime. Sapphire martini: there's the rub! Just don't try to cut me off after only two--the juniper juice makes me ornery that way. Speaking of which, just about quittin' time in these parts.
Don Julio for me thanks, maybe I'll move to Mexico and open an agave plantation.
Another Bruce
Aw, man, I can't even look at a bottle of tequila anymore--little devils appear whispering naughty, stupid things I could do. The "brown" liquors: hangover city. Vodka: sleepytime. Sapphire martini: there's the rub! Just don't try to cut me off after only two--the juniper juice makes me ornery that way. Speaking of which, just about quittin' time in these parts.
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
Hell, even I know the answer to that. The terrorists are trying to get into position for an attack much greater than 911 which can only mean a nuclear attack. They want it to be spectacular.
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
Hell, even I know the answer to that. The terrorists are trying to get into position for an attack much greater than 911 which can only mean a nuclear attack. They want it to be spectacular.
Heard a rumor online the other day the the fundies are planning to begin training their own elite Special Forces...
Incognito
Shit, don't tell me these things.
Heard a rumor online the other day the the fundies are planning to begin training their own elite Special Forces...
Incognito
Shit, don't tell me these things.
Never drink anything with that many consecutive consonants.
Instead, drink it with a single ice cube. I must say.
How about a luxury tax to fund social security? Since Social Security is such a luxury.
Never drink anything with that many consecutive consonants.
Instead, drink it with a single ice cube. I must say.
How about a luxury tax to fund social security? Since Social Security is such a luxury.
Does anyone else get the empty feeling that it just does not matter anyomore? I know this raping of SS will go through and it will be a disaster. There is no doubt. A thousand books of facts and arguments could be aligned against w's puffery and he would still win. What is going on?
I am holding out hope. When the courts go so will I. THe is still substantial rule of law in this country. (Obviously none at the top, though.) When the rule of law goes, that will be it for me.
I think the EU should start a immigration program where the accept young(ish) Americans with advanced degrees for citizenship. Steal the US's brains. (After the US spent the time and money educating them.)
Does anyone else get the empty feeling that it just does not matter anyomore? I know this raping of SS will go through and it will be a disaster. There is no doubt. A thousand books of facts and arguments could be aligned against w's puffery and he would still win. What is going on?
I am holding out hope. When the courts go so will I. THe is still substantial rule of law in this country. (Obviously none at the top, though.) When the rule of law goes, that will be it for me.
I think the EU should start a immigration program where the accept young(ish) Americans with advanced degrees for citizenship. Steal the US's brains. (After the US spent the time and money educating them.)
Falstaff sez:
Did you see this quote from a departing Tommy Thompson?
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
Are you joking?
If not, link, please.
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Falstaff sez:
Did you see this quote from a departing Tommy Thompson?
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
Are you joking?
If not, link, please.
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I thought that privatising social security was intended to prime the 90s pump, i.e., to flood equities markets with new, dumb capital that'll just chase the latest name they just heard pimped on Tee Vee and allow another big paper boom.
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I thought that privatising social security was intended to prime the 90s pump, i.e., to flood equities markets with new, dumb capital that'll just chase the latest name they just heard pimped on Tee Vee and allow another big paper boom.
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Is this the first example of fatal candor to come from the new administration?
Is this the first example of fatal candor to come from the new administration?
Mankiw- no thank you.
Mankiw- no thank you.
Shit, don't tell me these things.
four legs good
I think it may just be a rumor but nothing would surprise me anymore and it would make sense in their warped thinking to have terrorists to match the muslim terrorists.
Shit, don't tell me these things.
four legs good
I think it may just be a rumor but nothing would surprise me anymore and it would make sense in their warped thinking to have terrorists to match the muslim terrorists.
Increase taxes on the rich, preserve current benefits, *and lower FICA on the first $80K of income!*.
Smallbottle
Cool, and sell it as a middle class tax cut.
Increase taxes on the rich, preserve current benefits, *and lower FICA on the first $80K of income!*.
Smallbottle
Cool, and sell it as a middle class tax cut.
Ohio -- Link to the Toledo article?
Plus, are you driving down to Columbus for the rally tomorrow? We need a huge crowd. More info in url link below but best sites for updates are:
Ohio Election Fraud: http://tinyurl.com/4p32c
and Do Not Concede:
http://www.donotconcede.com/
Both sites have info for car-pooling and accomodations
We need feet on the street tomorrow. And for recount rallies being planned down the road . . .
Ohio -- Link to the Toledo article?
Plus, are you driving down to Columbus for the rally tomorrow? We need a huge crowd. More info in url link below but best sites for updates are:
Ohio Election Fraud: http://tinyurl.com/4p32c
and Do Not Concede:
http://www.donotconcede.com/
Both sites have info for car-pooling and accomodations
We need feet on the street tomorrow. And for recount rallies being planned down the road . . .
GWPDA - This boomer, along with all the others here, and there are a bunch of us, don't have the attitude that we have ours, fuck you.
In fact, none of my friends, who are all close to my age, feel that way.
We aren't after social security - it's the fucking Bush Repugs who are after SS.
And maybe someone's grandma will heed what AARP tells her, but my mom would have been totally freaked by now if she was around.
GWPDA - This boomer, along with all the others here, and there are a bunch of us, don't have the attitude that we have ours, fuck you.
In fact, none of my friends, who are all close to my age, feel that way.
We aren't after social security - it's the fucking Bush Repugs who are after SS.
And maybe someone's grandma will heed what AARP tells her, but my mom would have been totally freaked by now if she was around.
Heard a rumor online the other day the the fundies are planning to begin training their own elite Special Forces...
The name Boykin ring a bell?
Heard a rumor online the other day the the fundies are planning to begin training their own elite Special Forces...
The name Boykin ring a bell?
Why doesn't anyone talk about non-retirement SS benefits? My dad died when I was seventeen, the death benefits I got from SS helped me get through school.
Why doesn't anyone talk about non-retirement SS benefits? My dad died when I was seventeen, the death benefits I got from SS helped me get through school.
In fact, I've heard way more people in the 20's say that they want to see SS end because they don't think they'll get any SS.
And they blame the boomers.
And it's all a crock. It's the government; specifically, this administration.
In fact, I've heard way more people in the 20's say that they want to see SS end because they don't think they'll get any SS.
And they blame the boomers.
And it's all a crock. It's the government; specifically, this administration.
http://2004weblogawards.com/
Alright, stop arguing and go vote for the liberal blogs. Little Green Worms and Glenn are winning, because we can't get our act together.
http://2004weblogawards.com/
Alright, stop arguing and go vote for the liberal blogs. Little Green Worms and Glenn are winning, because we can't get our act together.
I think the next attack will be simultaneous nuclear explosions in several cities in red states definitely at least one in Texas. They could easily float a bomb on a ship into the harbor of Houston.
I think the next attack will be simultaneous nuclear explosions in several cities in red states definitely at least one in Texas. They could easily float a bomb on a ship into the harbor of Houston.
Link in Homepage.
Link in Homepage.
And it's all a crock. It's the government; specifically, this administration.
Our government? Promoting class warfare? I'm shocked.
And it's all a crock. It's the government; specifically, this administration.
Our government? Promoting class warfare? I'm shocked.
There are no free lunches, in fact there are not even lunches when you've already paid in advance like blacks at Denny's. At Milton Friedman's lunch counter, there is only fucking.
There are no free lunches, in fact there are not even lunches when you've already paid in advance like blacks at Denny's. At Milton Friedman's lunch counter, there is only fucking.
CORONADO, Calif. (AP) - The U.S. military has launched a criminal investigation into photographs that appear to show Navy SEALs in Iraq sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees, and photos of what appear to be bloodied prisoners, one with a gun to his head.
Some of the photos have date stamps suggesting they were taken in May 2003, which could make them the earliest evidence of possible abuse of prisoners in Iraq. The far more brutal practices photographed in Abu Ghraib prison occurred months later.
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Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse, it does! Breathtaking! I got this off apnews via drudgeass, who has a picture of one of the bastards up now.
CORONADO, Calif. (AP) - The U.S. military has launched a criminal investigation into photographs that appear to show Navy SEALs in Iraq sitting on hooded and handcuffed detainees, and photos of what appear to be bloodied prisoners, one with a gun to his head.
Some of the photos have date stamps suggesting they were taken in May 2003, which could make them the earliest evidence of possible abuse of prisoners in Iraq. The far more brutal practices photographed in Abu Ghraib prison occurred months later.
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Just when you thought it couldn't possibly get any worse, it does! Breathtaking! I got this off apnews via drudgeass, who has a picture of one of the bastards up now.
Section 419(c) of Public Law 108-203, the Social Security Protection Act of 2004 requires State and local government employers to disclose the effect of the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset Provision to employees hired on or after January 1, 2005 in jobs not covered by Social Security. These employees also must sign a statement that they are aware of a possible reduction in their future Social Security benefit entitlement.
So if you work all your life and get a pension and/or social security you can't get both. They'll be bringing me in on a stretcher with a private duty nurse into my place of employment.
Section 419(c) of Public Law 108-203, the Social Security Protection Act of 2004 requires State and local government employers to disclose the effect of the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset Provision to employees hired on or after January 1, 2005 in jobs not covered by Social Security. These employees also must sign a statement that they are aware of a possible reduction in their future Social Security benefit entitlement.
So if you work all your life and get a pension and/or social security you can't get both. They'll be bringing me in on a stretcher with a private duty nurse into my place of employment.
John sez:
Our government? Promoting class warfare? I'm shocked.
No, no,no,no,no...only liberals promote class warfare. Never our Godly Republic...I mean government.
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John sez:
Our government? Promoting class warfare? I'm shocked.
No, no,no,no,no...only liberals promote class warfare. Never our Godly Republic...I mean government.
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Arrrgggghhhhh! Math! Equations! Late on a Friday afternoon no less! Nooooooooo.
Where are the cats. I mean it. I want kitties NOW!
Arrrgggghhhhh! Math! Equations! Late on a Friday afternoon no less! Nooooooooo.
Where are the cats. I mean it. I want kitties NOW!
I used to be in the school of thought that people can be trusted to do things wisely with their own money, so, therefore, they should be given full control of the funds being used for Social Security. I really believed people knew how to spend their money better than the goverment when it came to these things. I really thought people could decide for themselves what to do with their own money.
Then I visited Atlantic City.
I used to be in the school of thought that people can be trusted to do things wisely with their own money, so, therefore, they should be given full control of the funds being used for Social Security. I really believed people knew how to spend their money better than the goverment when it came to these things. I really thought people could decide for themselves what to do with their own money.
Then I visited Atlantic City.
I was just reading about a organization that had been started to help drug and alcohol addicts and then slowly evolved into a crazy, dangerous cult. It was called Synanon and it even had its own private army called the Imperial Marines. As the gop becomes even more crazy and paranoid, watch it form its own militia, the Fruit of Dubya.
I was just reading about a organization that had been started to help drug and alcohol addicts and then slowly evolved into a crazy, dangerous cult. It was called Synanon and it even had its own private army called the Imperial Marines. As the gop becomes even more crazy and paranoid, watch it form its own militia, the Fruit of Dubya.
mothra sez:
Where are the cats. I mean it. I want kitties NOW!
Ferrets are the new kitty.
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mothra sez:
Where are the cats. I mean it. I want kitties NOW!
Ferrets are the new kitty.
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2004weblogawards.com is of fascist shit, by fascsit shit, and all about facist shit.
Cheney them and the mangy old horses they rode in on.
2004weblogawards.com is of fascist shit, by fascsit shit, and all about facist shit.
Cheney them and the mangy old horses they rode in on.
That's nice, Tena. You obviously hang with a far nicer, more refined cadre of boomers than I ever did. I was one of the group of 400 summa PhDs competing against one another for the one job. And the 2000 competing for the other. Boomers ingested hardcore competition the way that Xers ingested sharing. My attitude is now that I fought for such residual benefits out of this society as now exist and I'm damned if I'm handing them over as a paypacket to a dirty son of a bitch who never had to submit an application, make a mortgage payment or find a job in a down market in his whole life. If you know any Boomers who are otherwise inclined, you might want to question their commitment to their generation. I have -paid- for the privilege of being able to retire without going out on the street - I paid for my mother's generation to do it and I've paid for the privilege of my own self thru forty years of work under Social Security. I'm not graciously accepting that it's okay now to make allowances and be nice.
That's nice, Tena. You obviously hang with a far nicer, more refined cadre of boomers than I ever did. I was one of the group of 400 summa PhDs competing against one another for the one job. And the 2000 competing for the other. Boomers ingested hardcore competition the way that Xers ingested sharing. My attitude is now that I fought for such residual benefits out of this society as now exist and I'm damned if I'm handing them over as a paypacket to a dirty son of a bitch who never had to submit an application, make a mortgage payment or find a job in a down market in his whole life. If you know any Boomers who are otherwise inclined, you might want to question their commitment to their generation. I have -paid- for the privilege of being able to retire without going out on the street - I paid for my mother's generation to do it and I've paid for the privilege of my own self thru forty years of work under Social Security. I'm not graciously accepting that it's okay now to make allowances and be nice.
spork_incident:
Well, as long as it's cute and furry, it will calm this savage beast...
spork_incident:
Well, as long as it's cute and furry, it will calm this savage beast...
Drunkee - You don't have to go any further than the nearest convenience store and watch people line up to buy lottery tickets.
People most assuredly do not know how to handle their money. And though I never bought lottery tickets or gambled in another way - one vice I just never was interested in at all - I'm not that great about money, either.
But even someone who has created a fortune in his life can get Alzheimer's or another degenerate disorder. Shit, the man who built most of downtown Dallas - Trammell Crow, can barely remember who he is now.
Drunkee - You don't have to go any further than the nearest convenience store and watch people line up to buy lottery tickets.
People most assuredly do not know how to handle their money. And though I never bought lottery tickets or gambled in another way - one vice I just never was interested in at all - I'm not that great about money, either.
But even someone who has created a fortune in his life can get Alzheimer's or another degenerate disorder. Shit, the man who built most of downtown Dallas - Trammell Crow, can barely remember who he is now.
Tena, John, Spork Incident -- I made my first Dean donation the morning I heard him say on FTN that Bush was using class warfare in the tax-cut debate.
Ohio -- thanks for link. Hope you'll make it down.
Everyone -- Please make the Ohio recount a priority. If we ignore voting problems this time, the vote will become an empty ritual -- and it's barely more than a gesture now . . .
Tena, John, Spork Incident -- I made my first Dean donation the morning I heard him say on FTN that Bush was using class warfare in the tax-cut debate.
Ohio -- thanks for link. Hope you'll make it down.
Everyone -- Please make the Ohio recount a priority. If we ignore voting problems this time, the vote will become an empty ritual -- and it's barely more than a gesture now . . .
And pie, welcome back, macushla. Your sadness is ours - don't be sad more than your Mummy would want you to.
And pie, welcome back, macushla. Your sadness is ours - don't be sad more than your Mummy would want you to.
GWPDA - Calm the fuck down. I'm not trying to take your future away from you. Fact is, my reality apparently doesn't comport with yours or something, because I haven't ever heard anyone I know say one damn thing about getting rid of SS.
In the first place, most of them have aging and sick parents who are on SS and my friends could not take care of them otherwise. I really don't know where you get the idea that all people of a certain generation are a certain way. But if that's your perception, I'll not step on it further.
I didn't mean to piss you off.
GWPDA - Calm the fuck down. I'm not trying to take your future away from you. Fact is, my reality apparently doesn't comport with yours or something, because I haven't ever heard anyone I know say one damn thing about getting rid of SS.
In the first place, most of them have aging and sick parents who are on SS and my friends could not take care of them otherwise. I really don't know where you get the idea that all people of a certain generation are a certain way. But if that's your perception, I'll not step on it further.
I didn't mean to piss you off.
NTodd:
Irish cure for the common cold:
Place a hat on the bedpost
get into bed with a bottle of whiskey
drink until you see two hats...
Finally, an excuse to drink that my wife might buy!
Hey NTodd, not much of a comment kinda person, but was just over at your blog. I love your photographs. I checked out a couple of the ones that were nominated, yours are much better.
Ooh, thanks! I'm sure when I cut off my ear or die before I'm 40, then people will really discover me...
NTodd:
Irish cure for the common cold:
Place a hat on the bedpost
get into bed with a bottle of whiskey
drink until you see two hats...
Finally, an excuse to drink that my wife might buy!
Hey NTodd, not much of a comment kinda person, but was just over at your blog. I love your photographs. I checked out a couple of the ones that were nominated, yours are much better.
Ooh, thanks! I'm sure when I cut off my ear or die before I'm 40, then people will really discover me...
Weren't the young republicans running a scam to bilk elderly gop contributors? It's sad but the predators really seek out old people to rip off. So much so that many cities now have criminal task forces designed to protect the elderly from fraud.
Weren't the young republicans running a scam to bilk elderly gop contributors? It's sad but the predators really seek out old people to rip off. So much so that many cities now have criminal task forces designed to protect the elderly from fraud.
Tommy T's farewell letter to the troops at HHS:
Dear Friends,
This morning, I submitted to President Bush my resignation
as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
It was a difficult decision and one I did not make easily.
But after nearly 40 years of public service, it is time for
me and my family to move onto the next chapter in our life.
It has been my honor and privilege to serve President Bush
and the nation with each of you in this dynamic Department.
As I have often said, our 67,000-member family is home to
the finest employees in the federal government. When you
work at HHS, the greatest doctors, scientists and public
servants in the world are your coworkers. I am truly
grateful for the opportunity to work with all of you in this
noble calling.
I am extremely proud of the work we did together at
America's Department of Compassion. President Bush set
forth an ambitious agenda for our Department. And I love
a big challenge. Since the day I walked through the doors
of this building, we have worked tirelessly to better the
health and well-being of the American people and our
neighbors throughout the world.
Thanks to your work,
* We delivered on our promise to modernize
Medicare with prescription drug coverage - the most
historic improvement to Medicare since it was created
in 1965. Now seniors and the disabled will get
substantial help paying for the modern medicines and
preventive services that extend and enhance their lives.
* We're spending more in medical research than any
time in our history. And the President opened the door
to federal funding of groundbreaking stem cell research.
* We're investing in our long-neglected public
health system, making our nation better prepared to
fight disease or biological attacks. We're improving
the safety of the food we eat and import.
* We're developing the new medicines and vaccines
to protect our citizens from disease or bioterrorism.
* Our children are healthier than ever, with health
coverage and immunization rates at record highs and
childhood drug usage going down.
* We turned America's attention to disease
prevention, motivating Americans to eat better and
exercise more in order to improve their health and
quality of life.
* And we're waging a bold new global fight against
HIV/AIDS, committing an unprecedented $15 billion toward
eradicating this scourge. This will be a jewel in the
President's legacy - and our years at HHS.
Together, we also faced challenges that were unpredictable and
unimaginable.
* HHS was among the first on the ground to care for
New York City residents and assist in the aftermath of
9/11.
* From the day
Tommy T's farewell letter to the troops at HHS:
Dear Friends,
This morning, I submitted to President Bush my resignation
as Secretary of Health and Human Services.
It was a difficult decision and one I did not make easily.
But after nearly 40 years of public service, it is time for
me and my family to move onto the next chapter in our life.
It has been my honor and privilege to serve President Bush
and the nation with each of you in this dynamic Department.
As I have often said, our 67,000-member family is home to
the finest employees in the federal government. When you
work at HHS, the greatest doctors, scientists and public
servants in the world are your coworkers. I am truly
grateful for the opportunity to work with all of you in this
noble calling.
I am extremely proud of the work we did together at
America's Department of Compassion. President Bush set
forth an ambitious agenda for our Department. And I love
a big challenge. Since the day I walked through the doors
of this building, we have worked tirelessly to better the
health and well-being of the American people and our
neighbors throughout the world.
Thanks to your work,
* We delivered on our promise to modernize
Medicare with prescription drug coverage - the most
historic improvement to Medicare since it was created
in 1965. Now seniors and the disabled will get
substantial help paying for the modern medicines and
preventive services that extend and enhance their lives.
* We're spending more in medical research than any
time in our history. And the President opened the door
to federal funding of groundbreaking stem cell research.
* We're investing in our long-neglected public
health system, making our nation better prepared to
fight disease or biological attacks. We're improving
the safety of the food we eat and import.
* We're developing the new medicines and vaccines
to protect our citizens from disease or bioterrorism.
* Our children are healthier than ever, with health
coverage and immunization rates at record highs and
childhood drug usage going down.
* We turned America's attention to disease
prevention, motivating Americans to eat better and
exercise more in order to improve their health and
quality of life.
* And we're waging a bold new global fight against
HIV/AIDS, committing an unprecedented $15 billion toward
eradicating this scourge. This will be a jewel in the
President's legacy - and our years at HHS.
Together, we also faced challenges that were unpredictable and
unimaginable.
* HHS was among the first on the ground to care for
New York City residents and assist in the aftermath of
9/11.
* From the day
GWPDA, thank you. We dragged ourselves out to get a tree today. I'll make this a good holiday for my family, because my mom taught us well.
Plowing on...
GWPDA, thank you. We dragged ourselves out to get a tree today. I'll make this a good holiday for my family, because my mom taught us well.
Plowing on...
* From the day I arrived, we spoke of the need to
better prepare for bioterrorism, and together we helped
this nation weather the first biological attack on its
people with the anthrax letters.
* We expanded our cache of smallpox vaccine, so we
can now protect every man, woman in child if this vicious
disease were to return.
* We protected America from SARS and we helped the
world understand this mysterious disease so we could
contain its spread.
* We're leading the world to prepare for a world flu
pandemic and Avian flu.
* And, together with our public health partners, we
have helped this nation manage an unexpected influenza
vaccine shortage.
That is quite a record in four short years. You all should be
proud.
And, best of all, we are working together more closely than
ever before to better serve American families. We truly are
One Department - with the best and brightest working together
across agencies to solve our nation's toughest problems. And
we truly are the Department of Compassion.
I will miss you all more than you can ever know. I will
forever cherish the friendships I made here the last four
years. And I will always be in awe of the talent, dedication
and drive of the people of the Department of Health and Human
Services.
Keep leading this nation forward. Keep putting the well-being
of our people first. And keep changing the status quo in search
of a better way.
You will always be in my prayers and in my heart.
With gratitude and friendship,
Tommy G. Thompson
* From the day I arrived, we spoke of the need to
better prepare for bioterrorism, and together we helped
this nation weather the first biological attack on its
people with the anthrax letters.
* We expanded our cache of smallpox vaccine, so we
can now protect every man, woman in child if this vicious
disease were to return.
* We protected America from SARS and we helped the
world understand this mysterious disease so we could
contain its spread.
* We're leading the world to prepare for a world flu
pandemic and Avian flu.
* And, together with our public health partners, we
have helped this nation manage an unexpected influenza
vaccine shortage.
That is quite a record in four short years. You all should be
proud.
And, best of all, we are working together more closely than
ever before to better serve American families. We truly are
One Department - with the best and brightest working together
across agencies to solve our nation's toughest problems. And
we truly are the Department of Compassion.
I will miss you all more than you can ever know. I will
forever cherish the friendships I made here the last four
years. And I will always be in awe of the talent, dedication
and drive of the people of the Department of Health and Human
Services.
Keep leading this nation forward. Keep putting the well-being
of our people first. And keep changing the status quo in search
of a better way.
You will always be in my prayers and in my heart.
With gratitude and friendship,
Tommy G. Thompson
NTodd, you're awesome.
Patience is a virtue, darling.
NTodd, you're awesome.
Patience is a virtue, darling.
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
Hell, even I know the answer to that. The terrorists are trying to get into position for an attack much greater than 911 which can
only mean a nuclear attack. They want it to be spectacular.
Incognito | Email | Homepage
And when that happens, kiss the
constitution and anything resembling
america goodbye.
Fascist dictaorship a go go.
“For the life of me, I cannot understand why the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do,”
Hell, even I know the answer to that. The terrorists are trying to get into position for an attack much greater than 911 which can
only mean a nuclear attack. They want it to be spectacular.
Incognito | Email | Homepage
And when that happens, kiss the
constitution and anything resembling
america goodbye.
Fascist dictaorship a go go.
Foundling.
You were lucky. That benefit is ALREADY gone. Reagan's admin did away with it. My husband died of a brain tumor after years of paying into SS (but still way too young). My son is in his 2nd year at college. I had to sell my house to help pay for it. I am strugglung lots. SS survivor benefits end at the end of the kid's 16th year. These people started by picking on the vulnerable, under the radar. They liked it so much that the rest of you are in for what I was served. It's all too real. And it is MUCH farther along than most people want to admit. Denial feels soooo goood, for a while. Then it really bites.
Foundling.
You were lucky. That benefit is ALREADY gone. Reagan's admin did away with it. My husband died of a brain tumor after years of paying into SS (but still way too young). My son is in his 2nd year at college. I had to sell my house to help pay for it. I am strugglung lots. SS survivor benefits end at the end of the kid's 16th year. These people started by picking on the vulnerable, under the radar. They liked it so much that the rest of you are in for what I was served. It's all too real. And it is MUCH farther along than most people want to admit. Denial feels soooo goood, for a while. Then it really bites.
GWPDA, I know how you feel but the alpha male boomers are in charge now and they're whacked and extremely greedy. They've always been extremely competitive and now they're trying to secure the most resources from themselves before they retire and they sure aren't going to want to do it on a paltry SS check which means they're going to take it from the money you and I have paid in already. I don't know how to stop them. I don't think anyone does.
GWPDA, I know how you feel but the alpha male boomers are in charge now and they're whacked and extremely greedy. They've always been extremely competitive and now they're trying to secure the most resources from themselves before they retire and they sure aren't going to want to do it on a paltry SS check which means they're going to take it from the money you and I have paid in already. I don't know how to stop them. I don't think anyone does.
pie -
Mine made me promise I'd be okay.... That's the important thing and you know it. Trees are good and it's okay to smile and to be sad too. Remember. Carry on.
pie -
Mine made me promise I'd be okay.... That's the important thing and you know it. Trees are good and it's okay to smile and to be sad too. Remember. Carry on.
Hey, we're going to live longer. By gum, we're going to have to work longer.
At what?
Time for the parents to move in with the children. Just like the old days.
Hey, we're going to live longer. By gum, we're going to have to work longer.
At what?
Time for the parents to move in with the children. Just like the old days.
steve simels sez:
And when that happens, kiss the
constitution and anything resembling
america goodbye.
Fascist dictaorship a go go.
Somebody around here wrote: "We're one terrorist attack away from kristallacht.
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steve simels sez:
And when that happens, kiss the
constitution and anything resembling
america goodbye.
Fascist dictaorship a go go.
Somebody around here wrote: "We're one terrorist attack away from kristallacht.
.
Another Bruce
You're right about the proposals. Dems should have some. Increase taxes on the rich, preserve current benefits, *and lower FICA on the first $80K of income!*.
Another Bruce
You're right about the proposals. Dems should have some. Increase taxes on the rich, preserve current benefits, *and lower FICA on the first $80K of income!*.
Pie - What if you don't have any kids to move in with? Under the bridge down by the river?
PS - My condolences (was wondering where you been).
Pie - What if you don't have any kids to move in with? Under the bridge down by the river?
PS - My condolences (was wondering where you been).
Remember. Carry on.
The November from hell...
Bush is such an asshole.
Remember. Carry on.
The November from hell...
Bush is such an asshole.
Time for the parents to move in with the children. Just like the old days.
pie
That's what they want. That's how God intended it, too. SS is just part of Satan's plan for having the government doing what families should be doing. We get it back to the old ways and people will embrace God and stop their heathen ways.
Get thee behind me SATAN!! HEAL! I say HEAL!!
Time for the parents to move in with the children. Just like the old days.
pie
That's what they want. That's how God intended it, too. SS is just part of Satan's plan for having the government doing what families should be doing. We get it back to the old ways and people will embrace God and stop their heathen ways.
Get thee behind me SATAN!! HEAL! I say HEAL!!
Oh, Incog, "alpha male boomers are in charge now and they're whacked and extremely greedy." They -always have been.- What you do is trip them up at the entrance to the courthouse. You play just exactly as damned dirty as they do. Alpha males are only alpha males til their first heart attack. And they have no idea the number of antagonists they're facing. You surely don't equate our parents' generation with that of the Boomers, honed and hostile and greedy ourselves, and just itching to take out somebody? C'mon. We're snotty. We're the people that Shrub kept failing -against-, every time, every single time. Shrub's allies, the charming Xers and a bit older, they have no idea..... You do.
Boomers - b 1946-1964. There are a whole damn bunch of us. We still control most of the money, most of the investments, most of the production of this country. And most of us still have, in our bones, one thing. Looking out for ourselves. That's life. Oh, and really good experiences with anti-war movements and good drugs.
Oh, Incog, "alpha male boomers are in charge now and they're whacked and extremely greedy." They -always have been.- What you do is trip them up at the entrance to the courthouse. You play just exactly as damned dirty as they do. Alpha males are only alpha males til their first heart attack. And they have no idea the number of antagonists they're facing. You surely don't equate our parents' generation with that of the Boomers, honed and hostile and greedy ourselves, and just itching to take out somebody? C'mon. We're snotty. We're the people that Shrub kept failing -against-, every time, every single time. Shrub's allies, the charming Xers and a bit older, they have no idea..... You do.
Boomers - b 1946-1964. There are a whole damn bunch of us. We still control most of the money, most of the investments, most of the production of this country. And most of us still have, in our bones, one thing. Looking out for ourselves. That's life. Oh, and really good experiences with anti-war movements and good drugs.
OT: What's in a name?
...
If you haven't seen it, a House Appropriations Committee staffer, Richard E. Efford, has stepped forward to take responsibility for the Istook Amendment. His boss is Rep. Istook. But he says he never ran it past the congressman -- at least not until it was too late to do anything about it. Sleepless nights and the agonies of the appropriations process are to blame, we're told, not bad intentions. The Post has an interview with Efford and the details of his story.
...
Istook - (your privacy) Is took
Efford - fword? Effort?
OT: What's in a name?
...
If you haven't seen it, a House Appropriations Committee staffer, Richard E. Efford, has stepped forward to take responsibility for the Istook Amendment. His boss is Rep. Istook. But he says he never ran it past the congressman -- at least not until it was too late to do anything about it. Sleepless nights and the agonies of the appropriations process are to blame, we're told, not bad intentions. The Post has an interview with Efford and the details of his story.
...
Istook - (your privacy) Is took
Efford - fword? Effort?
Anyways, that what the dumbass fundies want. That's why they're not saying anything while the SS Fund is being stolen. Corporate America uses the fundies to help put the likes of Dubya in power and keep him there. They're such dumasses.
Anyways, that what the dumbass fundies want. That's why they're not saying anything while the SS Fund is being stolen. Corporate America uses the fundies to help put the likes of Dubya in power and keep him there. They're such dumasses.
"Time for the parents to move in with the children. Just like the old days."
Been there. Done that. Everything old is new again. Hey, you get really good receipts that way! And learn lots of stuff!
"Time for the parents to move in with the children. Just like the old days."
Been there. Done that. Everything old is new again. Hey, you get really good receipts that way! And learn lots of stuff!
Time for the Third Annual Koufax Awards!
I know we're all donatation fatigues, but they need some modest donations to run it properly. The Koufax Awards are one of the great grass-root phenomenons of the recent blogosphere.
Time for the Third Annual Koufax Awards!
I know we're all donatation fatigues, but they need some modest donations to run it properly. The Koufax Awards are one of the great grass-root phenomenons of the recent blogosphere.
Is he saying that people who receive social security benefits after working all their lives are getting "free lunches"? I thought free lunches are what Enron and Halliburton executives got.
Is he saying that people who receive social security benefits after working all their lives are getting "free lunches"? I thought free lunches are what Enron and Halliburton executives got.
Pie - What if you don't have any kids to move in with? Under the bridge down by the river?
I'm paraphrasing, but I believe it
was Anatole France who said that
in a capitalist democracy, the rich
and poor alike have the freedom to
sleep under a bridge.
Pie - What if you don't have any kids to move in with? Under the bridge down by the river?
I'm paraphrasing, but I believe it
was Anatole France who said that
in a capitalist democracy, the rich
and poor alike have the freedom to
sleep under a bridge.
Who knows maybe communes or some shared living arrangements will come back in as people move in together to pool money and resources. My grandmother's house in the great depression had about three generations and numerous cousins all staying together to survive the hard times. Food co-ops were originally started as a means to save money before the yuppies took over and turned them into upscale organic groceries. It will be interesting to see what evolves.
Who knows maybe communes or some shared living arrangements will come back in as people move in together to pool money and resources. My grandmother's house in the great depression had about three generations and numerous cousins all staying together to survive the hard times. Food co-ops were originally started as a means to save money before the yuppies took over and turned them into upscale organic groceries. It will be interesting to see what evolves.
sekmet - This is a very good thing, providing you can stand your relatives, which is always a little chancy. But otherwise, it's the sort of thing that even Republicans could just be crazy about.... Well, actually, maybe, not.
Try to think about the Waltons rather than the Jukes and the Kallikaks. Yes. That's right.
sekmet - This is a very good thing, providing you can stand your relatives, which is always a little chancy. But otherwise, it's the sort of thing that even Republicans could just be crazy about.... Well, actually, maybe, not.
Try to think about the Waltons rather than the Jukes and the Kallikaks. Yes. That's right.
If we were to begin "Impeachment Proceedings" against Bush on Monday, would that keep him busy for the next four years, and limit the damage he is sure to do otherwise?
If we were to begin "Impeachment Proceedings" against Bush on Monday, would that keep him busy for the next four years, and limit the damage he is sure to do otherwise?
Thanks steve for that info on my wife and I having the right to live under a bridge down by the river when we get old.
When we head out for Mexican food and margaritas in a few minutes, I'll be sure to scout out some bridges for our future domicile.
Thanks steve for that info on my wife and I having the right to live under a bridge down by the river when we get old.
When we head out for Mexican food and margaritas in a few minutes, I'll be sure to scout out some bridges for our future domicile.
Oh, and by the way, if I read one
more ignorant post about what selfish
fucks boomers are, made by some
flannel shirted piece of Gen Y
fetal tissue,
I swear to god I'm gonna take a
hostage.
Nothing person, but still....bb
Oh, and by the way, if I read one
more ignorant post about what selfish
fucks boomers are, made by some
flannel shirted piece of Gen Y
fetal tissue,
I swear to god I'm gonna take a
hostage.
Nothing person, but still....bb
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the white hairs go ballistic if anyone even hints at cutting social security? AARP?
Or is this gone too..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the white hairs go ballistic if anyone even hints at cutting social security? AARP?
Or is this gone too..
If the interview Paul Krugman did with Terri Gross on NPR about a year and a half ago is still in their archives, it is worth listening to if you didn't hear it. He spelled out in detail what eight years of Bush would mean.
If the interview Paul Krugman did with Terri Gross on NPR about a year and a half ago is still in their archives, it is worth listening to if you didn't hear it. He spelled out in detail what eight years of Bush would mean.
"I read one
more ignorant post about what selfish
fucks boomers are, made by some
flannel shirted piece of Gen Y
fetal tissue, I swear to god I'm gonna take a hostage."
steve?
Um. 26 March 1955. It's okay for them what is to comment on what is. Trust me. Midcentury rocks. And my plaid will always be the Calgary plaid of my youth.
Love and kisses....
"I read one
more ignorant post about what selfish
fucks boomers are, made by some
flannel shirted piece of Gen Y
fetal tissue, I swear to god I'm gonna take a hostage."
steve?
Um. 26 March 1955. It's okay for them what is to comment on what is. Trust me. Midcentury rocks. And my plaid will always be the Calgary plaid of my youth.
Love and kisses....
On topic from Froomkin in WaPO
....
Prophetic Spelling
The first transcript of Bush's remarks at the Pageant of Peace came over with this phrase: "We think of the patient hope of men and women across the centuries who listened to the words of the profits and lived in joyful expectation."
Nineteen minutes later, a new version went out with this note: "*CORRECTION: PROFITS has been changed to PROPHETS."
...
Nope, had it right the first time. This is Bushianity we're talkin' here.
On topic from Froomkin in WaPO
....
Prophetic Spelling
The first transcript of Bush's remarks at the Pageant of Peace came over with this phrase: "We think of the patient hope of men and women across the centuries who listened to the words of the profits and lived in joyful expectation."
Nineteen minutes later, a new version went out with this note: "*CORRECTION: PROFITS has been changed to PROPHETS."
...
Nope, had it right the first time. This is Bushianity we're talkin' here.
The Waltons living together are the Democrats. The gop living together are the Jukes, Kallikaks, or the Manson families.
The Waltons living together are the Democrats. The gop living together are the Jukes, Kallikaks, or the Manson families.
GWPDA:
Serves me right for generalising.
XXOO
GWPDA:
Serves me right for generalising.
XXOO
steve simels -
Air kisses all around! O! That flannel!
steve simels -
Air kisses all around! O! That flannel!
Fuck the fundies. If they want to live like the mindless serfs they aspire to under the heels of corporate overlords, then they can have it. They're too cowardly, too timid, too stupid to be worth of the freedom that so many have shed blood for in the past. They are, in fact, afraid of freedom, and who are we to force them to face their fears. These obvious masochists should be under the heels of corporate taskmasters. I suggest we deport them en masse to Honduras or some similar third world shithole, and bring the Hondurans here. They'll make better Americans than the fundie swine ever will.
Fuck the fundies. If they want to live like the mindless serfs they aspire to under the heels of corporate overlords, then they can have it. They're too cowardly, too timid, too stupid to be worth of the freedom that so many have shed blood for in the past. They are, in fact, afraid of freedom, and who are we to force them to face their fears. These obvious masochists should be under the heels of corporate taskmasters. I suggest we deport them en masse to Honduras or some similar third world shithole, and bring the Hondurans here. They'll make better Americans than the fundie swine ever will.
GWPDA:
I must admit that I've always
figured people as young as you were
more like honorary boomers rather
than the real thing.
GWPDA:
I must admit that I've always
figured people as young as you were
more like honorary boomers rather
than the real thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the white hairs go ballistic if anyone even hints at cutting social security?
To quote from the article "Bush, however, has said only that any overhaul should make no changes in the benefits for people in retirement or near retirement."
He's hoping that the rest of us will be too stupid to notice that we're being robbed.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the white hairs go ballistic if anyone even hints at cutting social security?
To quote from the article "Bush, however, has said only that any overhaul should make no changes in the benefits for people in retirement or near retirement."
He's hoping that the rest of us will be too stupid to notice that we're being robbed.
hey, old man, what's wid? You get born before '46? Tell it to people who don't remember where they were when JFK was assasinated! Or worse, when RFK was.... God, I don't remember half of it, but I was there, macushla, I was there and I was taught how to hold a grudge long, long ago.
hey, old man, what's wid? You get born before '46? Tell it to people who don't remember where they were when JFK was assasinated! Or worse, when RFK was.... God, I don't remember half of it, but I was there, macushla, I was there and I was taught how to hold a grudge long, long ago.
I hear that cardboard packing cases
make excellent bedrooms, by the way.
I hear that cardboard packing cases
make excellent bedrooms, by the way.
To quote from the article "Bush, however, has said only that any overhaul should make no changes in the benefits for people in retirement or near retirement."
How "near"? Lot of people are contacted by AARP who don't consider themselves "near retirement." But they might be interested in preserving their SS benefits (disability, etc.), if they decide retirement's gonna come early.
To quote from the article "Bush, however, has said only that any overhaul should make no changes in the benefits for people in retirement or near retirement."
How "near"? Lot of people are contacted by AARP who don't consider themselves "near retirement." But they might be interested in preserving their SS benefits (disability, etc.), if they decide retirement's gonna come early.
GWPDA:
10/21/47.
And I know what you mean about
holding grudges.
GWPDA:
10/21/47.
And I know what you mean about
holding grudges.
10/21/47.
Truce. Good enough. You would have been first thru, then. Remember how it's done? Just put your head down and keep going, I'll slipstream behind....
Those packing cases? Some good lumber in those.
10/21/47.
Truce. Good enough. You would have been first thru, then. Remember how it's done? Just put your head down and keep going, I'll slipstream behind....
Those packing cases? Some good lumber in those.
Why does Bush hate us baby boomers?
Why does Bush hate us baby boomers?
"Why does Bush hate us baby boomers?"
Cause WE ALWAYS BEAT HIM UP.
Remember? He was the fat little kid who always went screaming for the teacher. And he had a buzzcut too, and he didn't know why.
"Why does Bush hate us baby boomers?"
Cause WE ALWAYS BEAT HIM UP.
Remember? He was the fat little kid who always went screaming for the teacher. And he had a buzzcut too, and he didn't know why.
Since the fundis hate this society so much why don't they up anchor and move to some Third World country where they can start their own fundi utopia? They can make the women wear long dresses and be servile & keep tv and Hollywood away from the children and have a high priest & sing hymns all day long.
Since the fundis hate this society so much why don't they up anchor and move to some Third World country where they can start their own fundi utopia? They can make the women wear long dresses and be servile & keep tv and Hollywood away from the children and have a high priest & sing hymns all day long.
What if you don't have any kids to move in with? Under the bridge down by the river?
Actually, steve simels, I was being facetious, but...
under the bridge and down by the river...
Yeah.
What if you don't have any kids to move in with? Under the bridge down by the river?
Actually, steve simels, I was being facetious, but...
under the bridge and down by the river...
Yeah.
sekmet - that would be on the Arizona Strip, I do believe.
sekmet - that would be on the Arizona Strip, I do believe.
GWPDA,
We beat him up one too few times, I think. God, I'm going to have to work for fucking ever.
GWPDA,
We beat him up one too few times, I think. God, I'm going to have to work for fucking ever.
If we were to begin "Impeachment Proceedings" against Bush on Monday, would that keep him busy for the next four years, and limit the damage he is sure to do otherwise?
I'm in, and we have God on our side.
Right, soldiers?
If we were to begin "Impeachment Proceedings" against Bush on Monday, would that keep him busy for the next four years, and limit the damage he is sure to do otherwise?
I'm in, and we have God on our side.
Right, soldiers?
Hello?
Hey, if *they* can claim him, so can we!
Maybe Al Franken can be the next Falwell.
Hello?
Hey, if *they* can claim him, so can we!
Maybe Al Franken can be the next Falwell.
I already have my bridge picked out, BTW. I'm not staying under the Key Bridge with all those mean looking hobos. I'm going to live under the bridge just after you turn off the GW Parkway onto Spout Run. No one else lives there and I can walk over every day to the Teddy Roosevelt Island and wash in the fountain. Just in case anyone needs to find me.
I already have my bridge picked out, BTW. I'm not staying under the Key Bridge with all those mean looking hobos. I'm going to live under the bridge just after you turn off the GW Parkway onto Spout Run. No one else lives there and I can walk over every day to the Teddy Roosevelt Island and wash in the fountain. Just in case anyone needs to find me.
How "near"?
Nobody remembers this but in the run up to the Iraq war, ol Go fuck yourself was on "Press the Meat" and Timmeh several times how much the war would cost. Big Dick replied "It will cost a lot more if we don't act." Two weeks later the war started and three weeks after that Bush asked for $75 billion for the war.
They won't give any specifics until the deed is done, because they don't have to. Are you enjoying The Party?
How "near"?
Nobody remembers this but in the run up to the Iraq war, ol Go fuck yourself was on "Press the Meat" and Timmeh several times how much the war would cost. Big Dick replied "It will cost a lot more if we don't act." Two weeks later the war started and three weeks after that Bush asked for $75 billion for the war.
They won't give any specifics until the deed is done, because they don't have to. Are you enjoying The Party?
"God, I'm going to have to work for fucking ever."
Once more, hija, once more. Onward, into the breach, and if we can't impeach him we can contemn him and make him useless....
Mockery is a wonderful thing. pie, have you seen the relevant stickers? They can be found here: http://www.cafepress.com/antibus...tibush04/
311247
He's a joke. Remember how we dealt with non-kuhl kids who were jokes? Do it again....
"God, I'm going to have to work for fucking ever."
Once more, hija, once more. Onward, into the breach, and if we can't impeach him we can contemn him and make him useless....
Mockery is a wonderful thing. pie, have you seen the relevant stickers? They can be found here: http://www.cafepress.com/antibus...tibush04/
311247
He's a joke. Remember how we dealt with non-kuhl kids who were jokes? Do it again....
You're an hour ahead of me, but you remind me it's time to go to the liquor store for the Xmas bottle of Laphroaig....
Thanksgiving is my excuse for the annual bottle of Glenmorangie...
You're an hour ahead of me, but you remind me it's time to go to the liquor store for the Xmas bottle of Laphroaig....
Thanksgiving is my excuse for the annual bottle of Glenmorangie...
Assume X = Kaus,
then if follows that X = hack!
Assume X = Kaus,
then if follows that X = hack!
And, Hecate? I can build a bridge to the 21st century in the back yard, and you're welcome. Arthur'd only come out to visit, and wet a little bit, maybe.
And, Hecate? I can build a bridge to the 21st century in the back yard, and you're welcome. Arthur'd only come out to visit, and wet a little bit, maybe.
God, I'm going to have to work for fucking ever.
I do not envision a future in which I can ever pay off my law school loans (totaling around 100K at last count).
God, I'm going to have to work for fucking ever.
I do not envision a future in which I can ever pay off my law school loans (totaling around 100K at last count).
"I do not envision a future in which I can ever pay off my law school loans"
That's okay. They're pretend anyway. They key to it is to declare bankruptcy now and make sure that it covers the debt.
I can remember writing the Cornell handbooks luring unwitting children to studies in law, veterinary, you name it. My best favorite was for historical preservation - $30k a year, times one and a half, for a job that demonstrably never paid more than $22k anywhere in the world.... Or the veterinary degree, where the high point was the fact that Cornell had an equine treadmill..... Whoopee! Veterinaries don't make more than about 50k if they're incredibly lucky, and the use of an equine treadmill is about as useful to almost everybody as the fact that I have to treadmill everyday.... Yet, still, beyond imagining, American Express insists that that they want to hand me a Platinum card....
And Hecate STILL won't tell me where I can pick up an oakum contract....
Bankrupt the loans, kiddo. Life's hard. Screw 'em.
"I do not envision a future in which I can ever pay off my law school loans"
That's okay. They're pretend anyway. They key to it is to declare bankruptcy now and make sure that it covers the debt.
I can remember writing the Cornell handbooks luring unwitting children to studies in law, veterinary, you name it. My best favorite was for historical preservation - $30k a year, times one and a half, for a job that demonstrably never paid more than $22k anywhere in the world.... Or the veterinary degree, where the high point was the fact that Cornell had an equine treadmill..... Whoopee! Veterinaries don't make more than about 50k if they're incredibly lucky, and the use of an equine treadmill is about as useful to almost everybody as the fact that I have to treadmill everyday.... Yet, still, beyond imagining, American Express insists that that they want to hand me a Platinum card....
And Hecate STILL won't tell me where I can pick up an oakum contract....
Bankrupt the loans, kiddo. Life's hard. Screw 'em.
See, this is what I mean - there are a bunch of us here around the same age and we all have doubts that we're going to have anything.
If I misunderstood your comment, GWPDA, I'm sorry. But this isn't personal, honestly. I just don't understand the claim that our selfishness is fucking up SS.
There have been any number of letters to the paper, on the other hand, from people in their twenties who are pissed because they believe there won't be anything left for them. Which is probably true, but I don't see how boomers are responsible, strictly.
That's my objection - it is upside down from the way I thought the thing was. I have always thought that my generation depended on the idea of social security. That's all.
See, this is what I mean - there are a bunch of us here around the same age and we all have doubts that we're going to have anything.
If I misunderstood your comment, GWPDA, I'm sorry. But this isn't personal, honestly. I just don't understand the claim that our selfishness is fucking up SS.
There have been any number of letters to the paper, on the other hand, from people in their twenties who are pissed because they believe there won't be anything left for them. Which is probably true, but I don't see how boomers are responsible, strictly.
That's my objection - it is upside down from the way I thought the thing was. I have always thought that my generation depended on the idea of social security. That's all.
What's an oakum contract?
What's an oakum contract?
GWPDA, you can't bankrupt your way out of federal loans anymore. Not allowed.
GWPDA, you can't bankrupt your way out of federal loans anymore. Not allowed.
See, this is what I mean - there are a bunch of us here around the same age and we all have doubts that we're going to have anything.
Doubts? Nah. I'm certain that "bupkis" is what I'll be getting from Social Security.
See, this is what I mean - there are a bunch of us here around the same age and we all have doubts that we're going to have anything.
Doubts? Nah. I'm certain that "bupkis" is what I'll be getting from Social Security.
Dems introduct amendment saying to pay for future SS benefits and secure it into the future, individual income over $200K will pay SS tax.
so what you're saying is, you're going to double my FICA taxes after I win the lottery.
fuggin libs always tryin to take my money away and give it to illegal gay immigrant welfare mothers.
Dems introduct amendment saying to pay for future SS benefits and secure it into the future, individual income over $200K will pay SS tax.
so what you're saying is, you're going to double my FICA taxes after I win the lottery.
fuggin libs always tryin to take my money away and give it to illegal gay immigrant welfare mothers.
Which is probably true, but I don't see how boomers are responsible, strictly.
because they're self-absorbed hedonists who failed to bear enough children.
Which is probably true, but I don't see how boomers are responsible, strictly.
because they're self-absorbed hedonists who failed to bear enough children.
See, this is what I mean - there are a bunch of us here around the same age and we all have doubts that we're going to have anything.
Doubts? Nah. I'm certain that "bupkis" is what I'll be getting from Social Security.
bupkis is what they want you to believe you'll get. Fuck that, I'm getting my money from these assholes if I have to pull it out of their hides.
See, this is what I mean - there are a bunch of us here around the same age and we all have doubts that we're going to have anything.
Doubts? Nah. I'm certain that "bupkis" is what I'll be getting from Social Security.
bupkis is what they want you to believe you'll get. Fuck that, I'm getting my money from these assholes if I have to pull it out of their hides.
TJ - then, dammit, lie! My God, child, if you got that law degree surely you can figure out some way to pay for it! Explain it as a small business expense? Something....
And Hecate - I said, days and days and days ago, that I was being forced by my Doctor to walk a treadmill. Over and over again. So, I figure, if I have to tread, shouldn't I be picking oakum? And if so, isn't there some agency that holds the oakum picking contract?
C'mon! You guys aren't trying!
TJ - then, dammit, lie! My God, child, if you got that law degree surely you can figure out some way to pay for it! Explain it as a small business expense? Something....
And Hecate - I said, days and days and days ago, that I was being forced by my Doctor to walk a treadmill. Over and over again. So, I figure, if I have to tread, shouldn't I be picking oakum? And if so, isn't there some agency that holds the oakum picking contract?
C'mon! You guys aren't trying!
Yeah Theodoric, keep playing that lottery. You too can get rich while remaining stupid.
Yeah Theodoric, keep playing that lottery. You too can get rich while remaining stupid.
Yeah Theodoric, keep playing that lottery.
I get my numbers from Jesus. Then I go down to the gas station and monopolize a cashier for as long as possible while I decide which game to play, because I know that nothing pisses off liberals like having to stand in line behind someone taking his good sweet time buying lottery tickets.
Even worse than someone who can't decide what brand of cigarettes he wants.
Yeah Theodoric, keep playing that lottery.
I get my numbers from Jesus. Then I go down to the gas station and monopolize a cashier for as long as possible while I decide which game to play, because I know that nothing pisses off liberals like having to stand in line behind someone taking his good sweet time buying lottery tickets.
Even worse than someone who can't decide what brand of cigarettes he wants.
Veterinaries don't make more than about 50k if they're incredibly lucky,
The vet in my home town was president of a bank in his spare time.
Veterinaries don't make more than about 50k if they're incredibly lucky,
The vet in my home town was president of a bank in his spare time.
theodoric- clearly you honor the Veterinary in your home town.... May all your puppies be healthy ones.
theodoric- clearly you honor the Veterinary in your home town.... May all your puppies be healthy ones.
OT-Keep an eye on the new Homeland Czar Bernard Kerik.Heis the perfect fascist for bush to enforce his soon to be announced dictatorship.And he looks suspiciously like nazi admirer g. gordon liddy.
OT-Keep an eye on the new Homeland Czar Bernard Kerik.Heis the perfect fascist for bush to enforce his soon to be announced dictatorship.And he looks suspiciously like nazi admirer g. gordon liddy.
Wishful
Yeah, that happened just as I hit college. My money got cut off on my 18th birthday. What I able to save from it still helped.
Wishful
Yeah, that happened just as I hit college. My money got cut off on my 18th birthday. What I able to save from it still helped.
'Let me state clearly that there are no free lunches here,' said N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, at a conference on tax policy. . . .
"Free lunch"?
Wasn't that one of Saint Ronald of the Monster Deficit's cute little catch phrases...one of the things that the American fascists continue to revere him for?
Free lunch? What is it that everything that doesn't benefit the RICH considered a handout by these wingnuts on the right?
'Let me state clearly that there are no free lunches here,' said N. Gregory Mankiw, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, at a conference on tax policy. . . .
"Free lunch"?
Wasn't that one of Saint Ronald of the Monster Deficit's cute little catch phrases...one of the things that the American fascists continue to revere him for?
Free lunch? What is it that everything that doesn't benefit the RICH considered a handout by these wingnuts on the right?
he looks suspiciously like nazi admirer g. gordon liddy."
I think he looks like one of Adolf's Boys:
Julius Streicher comes to mind!
he looks suspiciously like nazi admirer g. gordon liddy."
I think he looks like one of Adolf's Boys:
Julius Streicher comes to mind!
Well I learn something new every day:
Picking Oakum was very tedious work and was typically performed by slaves, poor house inmates, and prisoners. The slang term "pickin' oakum" meant "getting into trouble", because few freely picked oakum unless coerced.
Oakum in Prisons
Prisons typically provided prisoners, under hard labor sentences, the option to walk the treadmill, pick oakum, or break stones.
Well I learn something new every day:
Picking Oakum was very tedious work and was typically performed by slaves, poor house inmates, and prisoners. The slang term "pickin' oakum" meant "getting into trouble", because few freely picked oakum unless coerced.
Oakum in Prisons
Prisons typically provided prisoners, under hard labor sentences, the option to walk the treadmill, pick oakum, or break stones.
Which is probably true, but I don't see how boomers are responsible, strictly.
because they're self-absorbed hedonists who failed to bear enough children.
So where are Junkie Limbaugh's and Pat "Cultural War" Buchanan's spawn?
Which is probably true, but I don't see how boomers are responsible, strictly.
because they're self-absorbed hedonists who failed to bear enough children.
So where are Junkie Limbaugh's and Pat "Cultural War" Buchanan's spawn?
"I guess the sheeple will continue to think that tax cuts for the rich are more impoertant than poor people getting their SS existence"
At least them thar queers ain't gonna be allowed to git married.
Praise the lord!
"I guess the sheeple will continue to think that tax cuts for the rich are more impoertant than poor people getting their SS existence"
At least them thar queers ain't gonna be allowed to git married.
Praise the lord!
Actually, there IS a free lunch here. It's the upper bracket tax cuts and corporate welfare that were offset by twenty years of Social Security payroll tax overpayment. And now Greenspan, Mankiw, et al are recommending we get future benefits slashed, after all these years of paying that massively regressive payroll tax increase for the sole purpose of guaranteeing no cut in benefits.
As Sandwichman said over at Maxspeak, the SS payroll tax surplus is nothing but a thinly disguised poll tax.
Actually, there IS a free lunch here. It's the upper bracket tax cuts and corporate welfare that were offset by twenty years of Social Security payroll tax overpayment. And now Greenspan, Mankiw, et al are recommending we get future benefits slashed, after all these years of paying that massively regressive payroll tax increase for the sole purpose of guaranteeing no cut in benefits.
As Sandwichman said over at Maxspeak, the SS payroll tax surplus is nothing but a thinly disguised poll tax.
"Oakum in Prisons
Prisons typically provided prisoners, under hard labor sentences, the option to walk the treadmill, pick oakum, or break stones."
Well, there you are. If I gotta tread, then picking oakum is the next thing. And, I'll do it, I promise I will, if I can figure out what oakum is, and how to pick it and what the market is.... Otherwise, I'll just keep treading....
"Oakum in Prisons
Prisons typically provided prisoners, under hard labor sentences, the option to walk the treadmill, pick oakum, or break stones."
Well, there you are. If I gotta tread, then picking oakum is the next thing. And, I'll do it, I promise I will, if I can figure out what oakum is, and how to pick it and what the market is.... Otherwise, I'll just keep treading....
GWPDA
If your doc is anything like my doc, she'll just keep saying you need to do it more. Never satisfied.
GWPDA
If your doc is anything like my doc, she'll just keep saying you need to do it more. Never satisfied.
"Oakum in Prisons
Prisons typically provided prisoners, under hard labor sentences, the option to walk the treadmill, pick oakum, or break stones."
Oakum-picking is pretty much what killed Oscar Wilde.
"Oakum in Prisons
Prisons typically provided prisoners, under hard labor sentences, the option to walk the treadmill, pick oakum, or break stones."
Oakum-picking is pretty much what killed Oscar Wilde.
May all your puppies be healthy ones.
I guess I was being a little too terse.
I have often thought over the intervening years that the expensive private university I attended was possibly being a little unrealistic in offering bachelor's degrees in engineering, let alone elementary education, as they did until my sophomore year.
The conclusion I usually came to is that the institution did not expect its alumni to be ordinary, run-of-the-mill professionals, but rather to rise to the top of their chosen professions and be the enterprising sort of professional who would eventually show a good return on their investment of grant aid.
Unfortunately, I am sure to be a disappointment to them.
May all your puppies be healthy ones.
I guess I was being a little too terse.
I have often thought over the intervening years that the expensive private university I attended was possibly being a little unrealistic in offering bachelor's degrees in engineering, let alone elementary education, as they did until my sophomore year.
The conclusion I usually came to is that the institution did not expect its alumni to be ordinary, run-of-the-mill professionals, but rather to rise to the top of their chosen professions and be the enterprising sort of professional who would eventually show a good return on their investment of grant aid.
Unfortunately, I am sure to be a disappointment to them.
Nonetheless, I add in passing that I haven't heard of any universities going out of business lately.
Nonetheless, I add in passing that I haven't heard of any universities going out of business lately.
correct me if i am wrong. the "social security crisis" is really just a matter of the program running out of money if it isn't funded. isn't that true of pretty much anything? wouldn't the cia run out of money too if it wasn't funded? maybe that's a bad example, since they always have the option of engaging in narcotics trafficking, but you get my point.
correct me if i am wrong. the "social security crisis" is really just a matter of the program running out of money if it isn't funded. isn't that true of pretty much anything? wouldn't the cia run out of money too if it wasn't funded? maybe that's a bad example, since they always have the option of engaging in narcotics trafficking, but you get my point.
correct me if i am wrong. the "social security crisis" is really just a matter of the program running out of money if it isn't funded. isn't that true of pretty much anything?
You are of course correct, and I think that the argument we've chosen to focus on here - the future viability of the Social Security system - begs the question of the desirability of social insurance in the first place, which is where I think much of the opposition is hung up.
They don't care how measly an investment Social Security is or can be made to be, because they are opposed to the concept in principle.
correct me if i am wrong. the "social security crisis" is really just a matter of the program running out of money if it isn't funded. isn't that true of pretty much anything?
You are of course correct, and I think that the argument we've chosen to focus on here - the future viability of the Social Security system - begs the question of the desirability of social insurance in the first place, which is where I think much of the opposition is hung up.
They don't care how measly an investment Social Security is or can be made to be, because they are opposed to the concept in principle.
What everyone seems to ignore is the fact that social security itself is fine. The complication is medicare. Divorcing the two would be helpful to everyone's understanding. The medicare problem is directly tied in with the healthcare problem generally and it should be considered that way instead of being tied in with social security with which it has nothing in common.
What everyone seems to ignore is the fact that social security itself is fine. The complication is medicare. Divorcing the two would be helpful to everyone's understanding. The medicare problem is directly tied in with the healthcare problem generally and it should be considered that way instead of being tied in with social security with which it has nothing in common.
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'Cause that's how I roll.
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'Cause that's how I roll.
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Isn't it a rumor thet Bush is going to put Greenspan in the position of overseeing the dismantling of Social Security? Now that's ironic.
Isn't it a rumor thet Bush is going to put Greenspan in the position of overseeing the dismantling of Social Security? Now that's ironic.
It's not my future I care about. Somewhere along the line I figured out that the government would't take care of me. So I put my 2,000 every year into IRA plans, and have been happy with my returns.
Most people can barely manage their own daily lives. 40 years from now is an impossible thought. I worry about people when they are old and sick and have been thru wars and sacrificed children and love their country and are being so screwed they don't even know.
Somewhere in Reagan, or Bush I, I figured it out, and remember having arguments about SS with people who thought I was crazy when I said it wouldn't be there for my generation.
I don't like being sane.
It's not my future I care about. Somewhere along the line I figured out that the government would't take care of me. So I put my 2,000 every year into IRA plans, and have been happy with my returns.
Most people can barely manage their own daily lives. 40 years from now is an impossible thought. I worry about people when they are old and sick and have been thru wars and sacrificed children and love their country and are being so screwed they don't even know.
Somewhere in Reagan, or Bush I, I figured it out, and remember having arguments about SS with people who thought I was crazy when I said it wouldn't be there for my generation.
I don't like being sane.
Having studied graduate level economics for a couple years, I can honestly say that most economists are whores who will say anything for a price.
Mankiw's acceptance of Bush's appointment was a surprise to me, given his sort of liberal rep. But then again, few economists get a chance to put 'Chairman, CEA' on their resume.
Having studied graduate level economics for a couple years, I can honestly say that most economists are whores who will say anything for a price.
Mankiw's acceptance of Bush's appointment was a surprise to me, given his sort of liberal rep. But then again, few economists get a chance to put 'Chairman, CEA' on their resume.
Minor blogwhoring ahead. People need to get the real numbers and they are posted at my site The Bruce Web especially in this post Social Security is not broke: by the numbers
People, even people who mean well, just throw around numbers that just are not grounded in reality. For example Chris from Tx talked $3.5 trillion, in reality the whole Trust Fund to date has only compiled $1.5 trillion, big money to be sure but $2 trillion is not exactly a rounding error. Table VI.A4.--Historical Operations of the Combined OASI and DI Trust Funds, Calendar Years 1957-2003
And Mr. Mankiw is just lying through his teeth when he says we can't tax or grow ourselves out of this "problem". Per the official numbers EITHER of these would fix the gap: immediate 1.89 percentage point increase in payroll tax OR 1.9% average productivity growth in the out years. Painful perhaps but hardly unendurable, and nobody is predicting such puny growth anyway. Payroll Tax vs Productivity: What would it take?
Social Security isn't broke. You will get your check. As long as we can keep Wall Street's hands off of your money. Arm yourselves with numbers.
Minor blogwhoring ahead. People need to get the real numbers and they are posted at my site The Bruce Web especially in this post Social Security is not broke: by the numbers
People, even people who mean well, just throw around numbers that just are not grounded in reality. For example Chris from Tx talked $3.5 trillion, in reality the whole Trust Fund to date has only compiled $1.5 trillion, big money to be sure but $2 trillion is not exactly a rounding error. Table VI.A4.--Historical Operations of the Combined OASI and DI Trust Funds, Calendar Years 1957-2003
And Mr. Mankiw is just lying through his teeth when he says we can't tax or grow ourselves out of this "problem". Per the official numbers EITHER of these would fix the gap: immediate 1.89 percentage point increase in payroll tax OR 1.9% average productivity growth in the out years. Painful perhaps but hardly unendurable, and nobody is predicting such puny growth anyway. Payroll Tax vs Productivity: What would it take?
Social Security isn't broke. You will get your check. As long as we can keep Wall Street's hands off of your money. Arm yourselves with numbers.
And Jack has a good point. In the last couple of years there has been a deliberate strategy of using the combined deficit of Medicare and Social Security to sell privatization even though it would have no impact on Medicare. They are desparate that you not look at the numbers for Social Security in isolation because they know you will look at the economic projections and conclude "Hell we can exceed that. 1.9% productivity? On our heads".
Medicare is a whole different animal. But the assumptions built into that "crisis" are no less ridiculous. They assume that as a society we will stand helplessly by while medical costs rise to 40% of GDP. We won't, we can't. It is an odd view of human nature and politics that allows certain people to assume simultaneously that retirees will stand by helpless when we default on the bonds in the Social Security Trust Fund but stand resolute that we have to boost Medicare at a 9% annual rate.
And Jack has a good point. In the last couple of years there has been a deliberate strategy of using the combined deficit of Medicare and Social Security to sell privatization even though it would have no impact on Medicare. They are desparate that you not look at the numbers for Social Security in isolation because they know you will look at the economic projections and conclude "Hell we can exceed that. 1.9% productivity? On our heads".
Medicare is a whole different animal. But the assumptions built into that "crisis" are no less ridiculous. They assume that as a society we will stand helplessly by while medical costs rise to 40% of GDP. We won't, we can't. It is an odd view of human nature and politics that allows certain people to assume simultaneously that retirees will stand by helpless when we default on the bonds in the Social Security Trust Fund but stand resolute that we have to boost Medicare at a 9% annual rate.
If they want to cut benefits, cut all benefits. Everyone is in the same boat with Social Security. This "divide and conquer" business is against the principle of the program.
If they want to cut benefits, cut all benefits. Everyone is in the same boat with Social Security. This "divide and conquer" business is against the principle of the program.
For example Chris from Tx talked $3.5 trillion, in reality the whole Trust Fund to date has only compiled $1.5 trillion, big money to be sure but $2 trillion is not exactly a rounding error.
Bruce - My bad, I conflated the portion of the national debt held by the government ($3+ trillion) as being almost all SS. The other $1.5 trillion (besides the $1.5 SS surplus) is mostly surpluses in civil service retirement funds ($600b+), disability funds($200b+), highway funds, etc.
For example Chris from Tx talked $3.5 trillion, in reality the whole Trust Fund to date has only compiled $1.5 trillion, big money to be sure but $2 trillion is not exactly a rounding error.
Bruce - My bad, I conflated the portion of the national debt held by the government ($3+ trillion) as being almost all SS. The other $1.5 trillion (besides the $1.5 SS surplus) is mostly surpluses in civil service retirement funds ($600b+), disability funds($200b+), highway funds, etc.
Mankiw's not breaking the "message discipline" rule at all. The whole point is to convince Americans that it's too expensive to take care of the elderly, no matter what we do.
As Atrios says, we need to keep pointing out, over and over, that SS is actually in pretty good shape and the only thing threatening it now are the Republicans who want to rape and dismember it in the name of "privatization".
Mankiw's not breaking the "message discipline" rule at all. The whole point is to convince Americans that it's too expensive to take care of the elderly, no matter what we do.
As Atrios says, we need to keep pointing out, over and over, that SS is actually in pretty good shape and the only thing threatening it now are the Republicans who want to rape and dismember it in the name of "privatization".
The Republican concern about social security is not for baby boomers, it's gen-x. there -might- be enough money to pay boomer social security, but there is -no- money for gen x social security. I'd rather have that money in the stock market than the government, any day of the week. It's -my- retirement money.
The Republican concern about social security is not for baby boomers, it's gen-x. there -might- be enough money to pay boomer social security, but there is -no- money for gen x social security. I'd rather have that money in the stock market than the government, any day of the week. It's -my- retirement money.
stork is absolutely correct. Everybody who does not have his head covered with sand understands that the Social Security system cannot survive the next Ice Age or some such.
Oops, stock market may be in a bad shape too in such an eventuality.
Projections of demographic and economic trends for 40-50 years are a tad reliable. Just look how the accuracy of weather prediction declines with the length of the time frame.
A weird aspect of the "privatization" plan. Americans save less and less. What to do about it? Change interest rates? Make it less attractive to issue customer credit (e.g. by improving bankrupcy protections)? Nay, the correct conservative solution, in the spirit of personal liberty and small government is to force every working person to save 2% of his or her income -- up to certain limit.
The rich save anyway, so they can be exempt.
stork is absolutely correct. Everybody who does not have his head covered with sand understands that the Social Security system cannot survive the next Ice Age or some such.
Oops, stock market may be in a bad shape too in such an eventuality.
Projections of demographic and economic trends for 40-50 years are a tad reliable. Just look how the accuracy of weather prediction declines with the length of the time frame.
A weird aspect of the "privatization" plan. Americans save less and less. What to do about it? Change interest rates? Make it less attractive to issue customer credit (e.g. by improving bankrupcy protections)? Nay, the correct conservative solution, in the spirit of personal liberty and small government is to force every working person to save 2% of his or her income -- up to certain limit.
The rich save anyway, so they can be exempt.
Stork, unless gen-x'ers have big plans to live beyond the 75 year threshold presented in the Reports, they have little to fear. 1.9% longterm US economic productivity gives you the results seen labeled ( I ) in this graph from the 2004 report.
Trust Fund Ratios under the Three Alternatives
And exactly nobody is predicting performance worse than that, at least no one using an equity based solution to the "crisis". People need to understand a simple fact. Fifteen years of Op-Ed pages and articles on the Social Security Crisis got the story wrong, they didn't examine the numbers and compare them to any kind of realistic forecast. In effect everyone has been lying to you on this topic for years.
Now Atrios and others are letting in a little light and it is blinding to those who have been sitting in the dark. But blinking and holding your hand up against the glare doesn't move the numbers. Under any reasonable economic projection Social Security is fully funded - for Gen X'ers too.
Examine the numbers: I have links to 62 years of Social Security Reports here:
Social Security is not broke: by the numbers and have broken some of the key figures and graphs out to make it easier. But the fact is much of what people "know" about Social Security is just flat wrong.
Stork, unless gen-x'ers have big plans to live beyond the 75 year threshold presented in the Reports, they have little to fear. 1.9% longterm US economic productivity gives you the results seen labeled ( I ) in this graph from the 2004 report.
Trust Fund Ratios under the Three Alternatives
And exactly nobody is predicting performance worse than that, at least no one using an equity based solution to the "crisis". People need to understand a simple fact. Fifteen years of Op-Ed pages and articles on the Social Security Crisis got the story wrong, they didn't examine the numbers and compare them to any kind of realistic forecast. In effect everyone has been lying to you on this topic for years.
Now Atrios and others are letting in a little light and it is blinding to those who have been sitting in the dark. But blinking and holding your hand up against the glare doesn't move the numbers. Under any reasonable economic projection Social Security is fully funded - for Gen X'ers too.
Examine the numbers: I have links to 62 years of Social Security Reports here:
Social Security is not broke: by the numbers and have broken some of the key figures and graphs out to make it easier. But the fact is much of what people "know" about Social Security is just flat wrong.
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