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Cute!
California | 12.03.04 - 7:13 pm | #

That's a wrap!
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 7:15 pm | #

Kitty pron!
Another Bruce | 12.03.04 - 7:15 pm | #

Oh sure.
One up everybody with a video.

(my paltry submission at home page)
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:16 pm | #

Hi fellow Atrios readers...I am itching for a little discussion with some rethugs...anyone got a good blog I can go troll?

D
Diogenes | 12.03.04 - 7:18 pm | #

Not a cat-astrophy. Oscar might have a hard time with Cat-agorizing the film though. It's not exactly a Dogumentary. It might fall into the Short-hair film area...
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 7:18 pm | #

We just had to put our Big Guy to sleep over the weekend, which was one of the hardest things I ever had to do.

All the pics and little movies we took of the big guy, which we thought were ho-hum at the time, are total treasures now.
Stinky | 12.03.04 - 7:18 pm | #

For a second I thought we were going to be treated to a hair ball hurl.

Love the infectious behavior,
- Hey, he's got an itch on his tail, now i've got an itch on my tail.
- Hey, why am I biting my tail. Hey why am I biting my tail.
bo | 12.03.04 - 7:19 pm | #

My cats who get along very well, still get into playful (I think) but nasty little cat-fights a few times a week. Once they start, they're far better entertainment than anything I may be watching on TV. I guess I should start filming some of them. The little one totally dominates the big one with superior strategy and tactics. SHe makes her daddies very proud.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 7:19 pm | #

Condolences, Stinky.
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 7:19 pm | #

Thank god for digital video technology and bandwidth. That was remarkable. Thanks for sharing.
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:21 pm | #

Nice, classic feline behavior.

Frankly though, today's miscellaneous life form on my blog is perhaps the most unique and cool looking of all of them

And it's great breaded, fried, and with marinara sauce!
Attaturk | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:21 pm | #

Diogenes,

I'm sure Freeperville would be ripe for trolling right now, if you're so inclined. Frankly, with what some of them have to say, I get the same feeling reading freeper posts as I get while watching Holocaust documentaries, so I usually avoid it.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 7:21 pm | #

It's amazing how they seem to mimic one another.
Kid Charlemagne | 12.03.04 - 7:22 pm | #

Did you pick up their catnip toy? Otherwise, I was really thinking this was going to be one of those "kitty surprise" events that occur at my home.
badger ellen | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:23 pm | #

Anyone here seen "the boxer and the grappler"?
kei & yuri | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:24 pm | #

Awwww, damn they're cute. Looks like they do that odd licking thing on their turf like my cat and dogs do.

And Atrios, if one soul tells you your black&white is "big boned" they need to see my Chopper. The dude is 23 lbs. Also 17 yrs. old.
bigvic | 12.03.04 - 7:24 pm | #

Hey Attaturk, that "squid" on your blog is Bob's missing testicle.
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo | 12.03.04 - 7:25 pm | #

It's the "Atrios Cat Project"

PS: Better clean up that mess o' wires in the background before one of those cuties gets into them . . .
SteveDEM | 12.03.04 - 7:26 pm | #

Hmmmm...a movie's all well and good, certainly, but can it truly compare with the quiet joys of Friday Nudibrahc Blogging?

I think not.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:27 pm | #

We really need to get you a mac.
me | 12.03.04 - 7:27 pm | #

Nudibranch, that is.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:27 pm | #

All I got was some sort of text file.
No video. I guess I'll go watch my own cats for awhile.
Bill in Escondido | 12.03.04 - 7:28 pm | #

Diogenes; It's not a blog but a talk board.
But it's LOADED with rightwingnuts.
(I post there a capnmike)

http://www.baltimoresun2.com/tal...isplay.php? f=14
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:28 pm | #

not as dull as 'Alexander'... and much cheaper!
Bongo | 12.03.04 - 7:29 pm | #

Hi fellow Atrios readers...I am itching for a little discussion with some rethugs...anyone got a good blog I can go troll?

Christ, it's Friday night... do you really want to spend it that way?
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:29 pm | #

I liked the precision drill team tail nipping. Can they do a kick line?
sekmet | 12.03.04 - 7:30 pm | #

Condolences, Stinky.

And... attaturk, that is indeed the coolest living thing I've ever seen. Apart from Kiera Knightley, of course.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:30 pm | #

Attaturk,

You must be the best blogwhore of all times. I mean that in a good way, as in a blogwhore with a heart of gold. Heh. That is one weird, beautiful creature. Unlike the thugs.
bigvic | 12.03.04 - 7:31 pm | #

I like it. Very heart warming. Your cats are big boned. Ha! I can say that because so are mine.

Stinky, I'm sorry about your cat. My 17 year old is in renal failure, and I cry everyday watching him. He has been part of my life since I was 19. We grew up together, and contemplating my life without him is unbearable. So, my heart goes out to you.

Tracey in AZ
Tracey | 12.03.04 - 7:33 pm | #

Very cute, and my 4 year old daughter insisted upon watching the cat movie 5 times. My dogs don't tend to copy one another like that.
Tjo | 12.03.04 - 7:33 pm | #

Too bad cats didn't get the opposable thumbs.
gary in fl | 12.03.04 - 7:33 pm | #

Philalethes

Dammit, every time I read that screen name, my brain wants to turn the word into 'Falafel'! Not sure why...
Ted | 12.03.04 - 7:34 pm | #

Attaturk,

I wouldn't have the heart to bread and fry that cutie, but after considering options for the future of SS on the previous thread, a Bushite is another matter.
bo | 12.03.04 - 7:34 pm | #

Gary in fl, are you sure you'd want to compete in a feline world? I have memories of bad movies where they were a tad ruthless for my taste...
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 7:36 pm | #

Oh sure.
One up everybody with a video.

Pshah. I was video catblogging long before Atrios...
NTodd | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:36 pm | #

Tracy in AZ - God, I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. That's really rough.
Tena | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:37 pm | #

Attaturk,

You must be the best blogwhore of all times. I mean that in a good way, as in a blogwhore with a heart of gold. Heh. That is one weird, beautiful creature. Unlike the thugs.

Well, I guess "blogwhore with a heart of gold" is something I a title I can live with. Thanks.
Attaturk | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:37 pm | #

Dude, I always hated it when my dad pointed that damn Super 8 movie camera at us . . .

Birds Hate Cats
jac | 12.03.04 - 7:37 pm | #

:-( You don't like Mac users that much? Just kidding.

Hey whoever wants to troll, go over to www.thedumb.com/forums and click on This and That and then click on Politics.

I feel lonely with all the right-wing fundies bashing me (I'm ZenziC)
Dom Suzanne | 12.03.04 - 7:38 pm | #

Attaturk,

I wouldn't have the heart to bread and fry that cutie,

Me either in reality. It's really a cuddlefish. How could you kill and eat a cuddlefish?
Attaturk | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:38 pm | #

Awwwww, Stinky,

Big wet tears. I'm sad and sorry for ya. I am nearing the day myself with my dear old guy and treating him with all the tender loving care he deserves.

Peace!
bigvic | 12.03.04 - 7:39 pm | #

Wow, synchronized tail-washing! Have you considered an Olympic tryout?
Ivytree | 12.03.04 - 7:41 pm | #

I love catblogging so!
bigvic | 12.03.04 - 7:42 pm | #

Too bad cats didn't get the opposable thumbs.
gary in fl

Shhhhh... don't give them any ideas. With opposable thumbs they would take over the world in about 40 years.

On second thought, go ahead and explain the concept of opposable thumbs to them.
Another Bruce | 12.03.04 - 7:42 pm | #

I am impressed that your wad of electrical cords look just like mine! You must also live in a house that was built before people had the need for more than one outlet in each room. Ours was built in 1917 and if my husband uses the toaster while I dry my hair pretty soon all of the lights go out...

Eva
san diego
Eva | 12.03.04 - 7:43 pm | #

Too bad cats didn't get the opposable thumbs.

Ever seen a polydactyl cat? Trust me, they're working on it. And once they succeed ...

http://www.messybeast.com/poly-cats.html
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 7:43 pm | #

With opposable thumbs they would take over the world in about 40 years. - better them than the Bushbots... they may be our only hope.
bo | 12.03.04 - 7:43 pm | #

Too bad cats didn't get the opposable thumbs.
gary in fl

I think there are quite a few humans who didn't get them either. I hear there's one on display at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in DC.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 7:44 pm | #

Heftiness!
mena | 12.03.04 - 7:44 pm | #

O.K., who spilled the catnip on the rug?
northsylvania | 12.03.04 - 7:44 pm | #

Anybody ever see the six-toed cats
at the Hemingway house in Key West?

Spooky......
steve simels | 12.03.04 - 7:46 pm | #

A Public Service Announcement:

Cashmere sweater + down coat + dry winter weather in Los Angeles = getting shocked by EVERY FRICKIN' piece of metal I come into contact with today.

It's especially bad for my kitties when I get home -- the static actually crackles through their fur.

(Yes, I have a down coat in Los Angeles. It was 37 degrees this morning.)
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 7:46 pm | #

Any comments/objections to Kerry's handing over of $200,000 worth of your campaign funds to Gregoire's recount effort?
ether | 12.03.04 - 7:48 pm | #

Mnemosyne:
In one apartment I had, I used to be
able to actually spark static electricity
off my cats ears.
steve simels | 12.03.04 - 7:49 pm | #

We just had to put our Big Guy to sleep over the weekend, which was one of the hardest things I ever had to do.

I'm so sorry.

Our senior cat, Saffron, has a thyroid condition and is experiencing renal failure. I keep thinking as I leave for a week on the road that I might be saying goodbye to her for the last time, but she's ornery and has been sticking around. Maybe it's so she can make it to one more adoptaversary (December 6).

I've been wondering about putting her down, but she actually is doing pretty well according to the vet. My animals always seem to make the decision for me in the end.
NTodd | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:49 pm | #

mnemosyne; Keep a dryer sheet by the door and rub yourself with it when you first come home. It'll take most of the static out somehow.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:49 pm | #

Call your landlord and demand an electrical upgrade.
def | 12.03.04 - 7:50 pm | #

Atrios: Loved the kitties video. They are so loveable.
Stinky...so sorry, I've experienced that two years ago...16 year old, born in this house. It's painful. Rememember the good times.
Tracey: Sorry for you as well. It was one of the hardest things that I did. To take away that pain that Mr. Toes-Cat was in every day. Buried his favorite toy with him in the back yard.
Courage.
Now I have JINX!...a marmalade- colored lover.
I heart cats!
CFnAR | 12.03.04 - 7:50 pm | #

In one apartment I had, I used to be
able to actually spark static electricity
off my cats ears.

It usually bounces off their noses, poor things. They start to flinch every time I go to pet them.

Gonzo, I'll try that trick when I get home. Do I rub it on my hands, or sweater, or what?
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 7:51 pm | #

I welcome our cat overlords. I will give them tuna. I will scratch behind their ears. I will throw them a toy mousie. ALL HAIL THE KITTIES!!!
sekmet | 12.03.04 - 7:51 pm | #

Let's be clear here: "Christ" is shorthand for the fucked-up, backward ass, violent, hate-filled beliefs of Christian fundamentalism. It is not the Biblical "Christ" and his words of, you know, love, peace, and fellowship. The Biblical Christ never says, "Thou shalt exhort thine enemies to 'Bring it on.'" The Rude Pundit has said before that the Christ in the Bible is a liberal who invites us all to party on in a socialist heaven. That is a dude the Rude Pundit would like to break bread and fish with while suckin' down wine-from-water. That, however, is not the Christ who has been shoved in our faces by the evangelical right. They want Rambo Jesus, kickin' ass, a warring motherfucker who shows fags and secularists they better love the Lord or they're gettin' drop kicked into the fiery bowels of hell. Or voted out of office.
rude1 | 12.03.04 - 7:51 pm | #

Our senior cat, Saffron, has a thyroid condition and is experiencing renal failure

Not to be a downer or anything, but I've had a cat that also died of renal failure. Why the hell is this like the most common cause of feline old age death? Makes you wonder if there's something in machine processed cat food that after a lifetime finally catches up with them. Like smoking does to people.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 7:51 pm | #

Keep a dryer sheet by the door and rub yourself with it when you first come home.
.... Hmmmm, Nah, okay, I won't go there. Too easy.
bo | 12.03.04 - 7:51 pm | #

But the Rude Pundit asked, and, yea, the readership answered. You responded to the Rude Pundit's request to donate your stories of Christ weariness with an outcry of outrage over the outreach of out-of-their-minds born agains. From sea to shining sea, in states blue and red, you have poured your damaged souls out. The Rude Pundit hears your cries, and, yea, come to the Rude Pundit and he shall caress you in his loving arms into secular ecstasy, paying close attention to your nipples. Here's a sampler (with minor editing) of the nearly 100 stories you sent in (and, as usual, the Rude Pundit makes no guarantees about the "truthfulness" of these tales of woe):
rude1 | 12.03.04 - 7:52 pm | #

From Sargasm: I had an awful first experience with those right wing nuts. When I was 10, my little brother started going to Sunday school with the neighborhood kids. A bus would pick them up and take them to church. I didn't want to go, even though these kids' parents would always encourage me to attend. Then one Sunday, I realized my brother was coming home with candy. He had received it for answering questions on the day's lessons on the bus ride back. Being a sweet tooth fanatic, and just an overall know-it-all kid, I thought it was a sweet deal. So that next Sunday I went to Sunday school with them. The biblical stories were alright but sort of boring. On the ride back I answered a few questions and got some candies. I
thought I had hit the jack pot. As we were all piling out of the bus, one kid turned to me and sneered, "You damn nigger." I was frozen by the hatred that I felt and being that it was my first racist incident in my life I didn't know what to do. I felt like shit. I confided in a friend and asked her what I should do.
rude1 | 12.03.04 - 7:53 pm | #

Too bad cats didn't get the opposable thumbs.

You have not met my Bean, you can actually shake her hands. Unfortunately
the following does not demonstrate the fact, but I will keep trying to document the catchers mits. Her coloring gets in the way. This is a double dipping, as I also introduce my good boy Kitainy, who is actually fascinated by Bean, He cant get enough of her, though she seems ambivalent to his attentions.
Kitainy Yev and Bean

Attaturk and Philalethes Fantastic marine blogging they are both keepers.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:55 pm | #

way ot, but how bout that orchestrated campaign to smear kofi annan!???
the latest from abc, concerning marc rich, saddam and clinton!!!!!!
think chris vlasto has his fingerprints on that story?

the bushies are on a roll!

meanwhile in iraq the road from baghdad to biap is closed. too dangerous.
maurauder | 12.03.04 - 7:55 pm | #

Frankly, I'm surprised that they didn't start licking their tushes. That's usually what my cats do when I turn a camera on them.
Leo Caesius | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:55 pm | #

I welcome our cat overlords. I will give them tuna. I will scratch behind their ears. I will throw them a toy mousie. ALL HAIL THE KITTIES!!!

Of course you would think so, Sekhmet. ;^)

(Though I should tell you that www.pantheon.org spells your name Sakhmet in their deity database. They seem to be spelling mine just fine.)
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 7:55 pm | #

sorry gotta vent, but norm coleman on newshour is the biggest horse's ass since, well, take your pick. THIS is the guy that has wellstone's seat? i take back every nice thing i've ever said about minnesota.

btw, how do i keep from shocking the hell out of my cats (ann richards, suu kyi) when i pet them in the cold weather?
benjoya | 12.03.04 - 7:57 pm | #

No objections to Kerry's personal dispersal of your hard earned, well intended money?
ether | 12.03.04 - 7:57 pm | #

As we were all piling out of the bus, one kid turned to me and sneered, "You damn nigger." I was frozen by the hatred that I felt and being that it was my first racist incident in my life I didn't know what to do. I felt like shit. I confided in a friend and asked her what I should do.
rude1 | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:53 pm | #

I know hatred isn't a good thing, but is it OK if I hate people that do and say things like that? Cuz I do...
Ted | 12.03.04 - 7:58 pm | #

Kent, if my cat Tashi had long hair, she would be your cat Bean's twin!

My boyfriend is always complaining that Tashi's natural camouflage makes it difficult to take her picture. He's had the best luck with black and white, I think.
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 7:58 pm | #

Dryer sheets get rubbed on forearms and hands only. Sometimes when that doesn't get it all, I'll rub the bottoms of my legs (especially poly pants) or feet (acrylic socks).

As for rubbing it anywhere else, I'll not be responsible for results lasting longer than four hours.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:59 pm | #

With opposable thumbs they would take over the world in about 40 years.

They'll take over the world, just as soon as they finish that nap. And then they have to stretch for a while. And then it might be time for another nap...
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:59 pm | #

I had Blinded by the Light playing at the same time!
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:59 pm | #

sorry got the cat answer, i should read the fucking thread.
benjoya | 12.03.04 - 8:00 pm | #

No objections to Kerry's personal dispersal of your hard earned, well intended money?
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:57 pm | #

No. Ohio should be recounted. If nothing else, for the purpose of exposing more flaws in the system. When $1.7 billion is spent in total by both sides, $200 grand doesn't bother me.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:00 pm | #

No objections to Kerry's personal dispersal of your hard earned, well intended money?

You mean Kerry's using our money to make sure he didn't get cheated out of the Ohio vote? The vote that, if Kerry were declared the winner, would make him president instead of Bush, since Kerry would then win the Electoral College? And we're supposed to object to Kerry using our money for that purpose?

Seriously, where does Karl find these guys? Better trolls, indeed. Maybe we could advertise for some.
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 8:01 pm | #

No objections to Kerry's personal dispersal of your hard earned, well intended money?

Your concern is touching,ether.

hahahahahahahaha.
pie | 12.03.04 - 8:03 pm | #

how bout that orchestrated campaign to smear kofi annan!?

marauder, that's what coleman was screaming about on lehrer. he's like a coked-up used car salesman.
benjoya | 12.03.04 - 8:03 pm | #

"No objections to Kerry's personal dispersal of your hard earned, well intended money?"

Idiot! That's why I wrote the damned cheque! Basta!
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:03 pm | #

Gonzo, I'm heading home from work now, so I'll give it a try. If it works, my kitties will thank you!

(Luckily, I keep my dryer sheets right by the door. My boyfriend hates it, but this time it'll come in handy.)
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 8:04 pm | #

Ted, Mnemosyne:

No he's using the money for the Rossi/Gregoire Washington state gubernatorial recount.

Your ideas would seem logical, all the more reason to wonder why Kerry would use your funds for his own sycophantic dreams.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

We just had to put our Big Guy to sleep over the weekend, which was one of the hardest things I ever had to do.

I'm so sorry.

Our senior cat, Saffron, has a thyroid condition and is experiencing renal failure. I keep thinking as I leave for a week on the road that I might be saying goodbye to her for the last time, but she's ornery and has been sticking around. Maybe it's so she can make it to one more adoptaversary (December 6).

I've been wondering about putting her down, but she actually is doing pretty well according to the vet. My animals always seem to make the decision for me in the end.

I had to put my old guy, Yellowman, down for his thyroid condition and renal failure. He was 21 years old. (He was an all yellow cat and named for the albino Reggae singer King Yellowman.) It was one of the most traumatic experiences in my life. I cried for weeks.

Just today, as I walked through my living room, I swear I saw him swipe at my leg.

21 years is a long time. He was a good cat. Dignified, constant-- a perfect companion.

Hope you're warm and well-fed, wherever you are, Yellowman.
Shaw Kenawe | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

Why the hell is this like the most common cause of feline old age death? Makes you wonder if there's something in machine processed cat food that after a lifetime finally catches up with them.

I had another cat who died of renal failure at 18. Apparently cats have very specialized kidneys--they can drink salt water, in fact. The problem is that means these are organs that will fall apart since they do so much work throughout their lifetimes.

Also, our understanding of feline nutrition is only now catching up to reality. Most "adult" cat food replaces fat and protein with carbs, since they're cheaper. That causes a lot of problems with diabetes and associated issues with kidneys. My vet now recommends that we keep our 1 year old cat, Sam, on kitten food forever.
NTodd | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

That guy Oliphant, in the pink shirt and bow tie, is the essense of the dem. party.
gary in fl | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

Stinky, I'm sorry about your cat. My 17 year old is in renal failure, and I cry everyday watching him. He has been part of my life since I was 19. We grew up together, and contemplating my life without him is unbearable. So, my heart goes out to you.

Tracey in AZ
Tracey

Thank you all for your condolences.

When our guy stopped responding to his medication and he stopped eating, we knew it was time to help him on his way.

Tracey, I feel for you, too, our cat had FIV and went downhill very quickly and unexpectedly. He adopted us 12 years ago and was with us for all the major milestones in our lives - first jobs, first house, a marriage, the death of a parent, the births of nieces and nephews...

I know it's a hard decision to make, but if you have to make it, be assured it's very dignified and compassionate. Our guy basically just went to sleep, he wasn't in pain, he wasn't distressed, it wasn't gross or horrible - I was with him the whole time. The animal hospital staff were very sensitive and kind.

I will miss him terribly, though. He will never be replaced. But it makes you appreciate your four-legged friends and hold them a little tighter.
Stinky | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

Liddy Dole actually had to have her tongue sanded to remove all taste receptors after the first and only time she went down on Bob Dole. Unfortunately the experience left her looking slightly puckered, as evidenced from the pic posted here yesterday by Holden.
bebe rebozo | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

I'm all about ethics in politics Pie.

:P
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:06 pm | #

No objections to Kerry's personal dispersal of your hard earned, well intended money?

I take it you have no objections to Bush's dispersal of your hard-earned, well-intended money to the wealthy, as well as the arms manufacturers?
NTodd | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:07 pm | #

it isn't as if Bush will be writing personal checks to disperse his leftover money. He's going to use the US Treasury to reward *his* campaign contributors.
Nick Carraway | 12.03.04 - 8:07 pm | #

I love the kitties. Mine is in one of those moods tonight where she suddenly rushes madly from room to room for no reason.

I gave Kerry the money because I trusted him to spend it wisely and that's what he's doing. Thanks for raising the point twice in a CATBLOGGING THREAD FOR GOD'S SAKE!
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 8:07 pm | #

No he's using the money for the Rossi/Gregoire Washington state gubernatorial recount.

Your ideas would seem logical, all the more reason to wonder why Kerry would use your funds for his own sycophantic dreams.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

You just don't get it. We want as many Democrat victories as possible, everywhere. I wouldn't care if he was using it for a recount for city alderman in Des Moines.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:07 pm | #

No he's using the money for the Rossi/Gregoire Washington state gubernatorial recount.

Again, Kerry's using his money to defend other Democrats around the country? When our constant complaint is that prominent Democrats leave each other twisting in the wind?

Why are we supposed to have a problem with this? Because, really, I'm not getting it.

(And this time I'm really leaving. Turkey meatloaf and garlic mashed potatoes for dinner is far more interesting than any troll-spat.)
Mnemosyne | 12.03.04 - 8:07 pm | #

Stinky: i am so sorry.
Tracey & NTodd: best wishes for your cat friends, they are fortunate to have you to take care of them.
Wiley & Gizmo (hope i remembered your names): the bouch makes you two look like Audrey Hepburn. we've been trying to slim him down by feeding him geriatric formula, but the neighbors still ask about his impending confinement......so we have to deal with the shame of owning an unmarried, pregnant, neutered male cat.
pygmyowl | 12.03.04 - 8:08 pm | #

...for his own sycophantic dreams.

I'm all about ethics in politics Pie.

How old are you anyway?
pie | 12.03.04 - 8:08 pm | #

NTodd:

Nope.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:09 pm | #

Your ideas would seem logical, all the more reason to wonder why Kerry would use your funds for his own sycophantic dreams.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:05 pm | #

Also, the Ohio recount has already been paid for, from what I've heard, by the third party candidates.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:09 pm | #

23
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:09 pm | #

Is that PBS commentator Oliphant related to the cartoonist?
vegbug | 12.03.04 - 8:09 pm | #

I had another cat who died of renal failure at 18. Apparently cats have very specialized kidneys--they can drink salt water, in fact. The problem is that means these are organs that will fall apart since they do so much work throughout their lifetimes.

This makes sense. As does the rest of your post. I think I might switch my two cats back to kitten food as well.

Appears we screw up their diets as much or worse than we screw up ours.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:12 pm | #

ether: don't you believe the citizens of Washinton's votes should be counted accurately? and what the hell does 'sycophantic dreams' mean?
Nick Carraway | 12.03.04 - 8:12 pm | #

Why the hell is this like the most common cause of feline old age death? Makes you wonder if there's something in machine processed cat food that after a lifetime finally catches up with them.

It's my understanding that pet foods with a lot of dyes and artificial ingredients are tough on a cat's system - notably on the liver.
Stinky | 12.03.04 - 8:13 pm | #

On the feline renal failure note, what's interesting is that vets will often prescribe Valium (diazepam) for cats in renal failure. Believe it or not, apparently it helps their kidnyes. Once my poor thing died, I just used up the rest of her perscription. Helped me get thru it, I guess.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:13 pm | #

Do you smell that? I think I do. Is it my ass? No, I think its my ass. No, maybe it's this rug...
oops | 12.03.04 - 8:14 pm | #

good grief- exactly *why* would a do-nothing Senator with a safe seat need to build capital?
Nick Carraway | 12.03.04 - 8:18 pm | #

I bet those kitties were happy to have you and Mrs. A back from Spain. When I go away for a trip and come home, mine kind of attaches herself to me for a day or so.
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 8:18 pm | #

Ted: wouldn't you prefer the DNC decide how to use your money rather than Kerry, while pursuing his own personal exploits?

He's using your money to build capital for his next 30 years as a do nothing senator.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:14 pm | #

It's $200,000. I'm more worried about Bush's coming economic catastrophe in terms if trillions than I am about what Kerry's doing with recounts. Kerry had $15 million left over after the election. He gave most of that to the DNC already.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:18 pm | #

Nick:

I do think the votes should be counted, but I am not suprised that big money names such as Soros, who supposedly support Democrats and liberal values, aren't stepping in when not assured direct profit.

I think John Kerry is playing roulette with your money, playing the odds, showing some good faith dollars in hopes of gaining a minion should Gregoire come from behind to win.

No ethics at all. He'll sit on his little pile of your money and spread it around as it benefits him.

But it's your party, none of my business.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:19 pm | #

Mine is in one of those moods tonight where she suddenly rushes madly from room to room for no reason.

We've had something of a cool snap today, and that seems to flip a switch in my guys that triggers a whole new level of insanity. Jack and Ava have been tearing around the house, quite literally boucing off the walls, all day. They've now worn themselves out. Ava is snoozing, and Jack is about to do so.

Ava demonstrates the depravity of the nip-head.
BGK | 12.03.04 - 8:19 pm | #

Mrs. Pollen and I brought Shadow home from the vet tonight. Had him neutered and de-clawed. Poor little dude, he's sleeping right now. My turn to cat-sit him.
Pollen Boy | 12.03.04 - 8:19 pm | #

jac | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 7:37 pm |

This video is freaking brilliant, Bluejays divebombing a cat that looks alot like my kitainy.

Mnemosyne, what is the name of yer Calicat?

Stinky,

So sorry....but as time passes get yerself some kittens or let another one adopt you. Yer old friend won't mind.

Tracy,
love as much as you can, while you can.

Shawn Kennesse,

Yellow man hopes you get another beast if you have not already (my departed cat chanelling abilities are fluid in the time department).
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:19 pm | #

PSA: If you don't support proprietary software like Windows Media, with their WMV3 codec that is unusable by any other content view program (even the ones that are better than WM), The company making said proprietary software will be forced to make it opensource.
J | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:20 pm | #

bebe rebozo,

I just renamed my kitty Liddy Dole. She sucked up my erototoxins. I figured it was a sign.
Vicki Stein | 12.03.04 - 8:20 pm | #

ether,

Dude, You are trolling a Friday night catblogging thread. It's Friday night. Call your girlfriend and go see a movie. Afterwards, take her to the malt shop and split a chocolate malted. Go home and spoon on the couch. For gawds sakes, quit trolling catblogging threads; it's just undignified.
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 8:21 pm | #

I have seen numerous spellings and picked a shorter one because my fingers are lazy. As for Bast, she's the cat goddess though sometimes they confuse the two goddesses. Bast seems to have had the more fun worshippers. Pilgrims to her main temple would travel down the Nile by boat singing and dancing and the women would flash people on the riverbank. Then they would party hearty at the temple.
sekmet | 12.03.04 - 8:21 pm | #

Kitties seem to have it a lot harder than doggies. My guy gets only about half a dose of processed stuff and then reverts to things like cheese, green beans, a nice piece of chicken, some schmalz, a little bit of rice - in other words, things I'd feed my relatives at Sunday dinner. The processed stuff is actually sort of optional. From what I remember reading about doggies, people and other mammals, the requirements for grains, meats, fats, and vegies remain pretty static over the years, with the worst consequences resulting from the withholding of fats (that one studied at length by the British, during and post WWII). Processed foods are hard to process thru all of our kidneys, doggies, kitties and people.

I can only endorse this as a result of an afternoon spent tidying up THE ENTIRE YARD as a result of Arthur's fervently vigorous system. Yes, he got to eat some scraps of the frittata with chorizo. So?
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:21 pm | #

I do think the votes should be counted, but I am not suprised that big money names such as Soros, who supposedly support Democrats and liberal values, aren't stepping in when not assured direct profit.

Soros was only interested in getting Kerry elected. Now that that doesn't seem possible, I'm sure he'll work on helping out the next guy.

I think John Kerry is playing roulette with your money, playing the odds, showing some good faith dollars in hopes of gaining a minion should Gregoire come from behind to win.

If you can't see that Bush is as big of an opportunist as anyone in politics, than I'm sorry for you. The man had no ambitions other than drinking and partying until he was nearly twice as old as I am. The idea of getting into politics was one of convenience for him, provided by his family name, connections, and money. For Bush, it's all about power, fame, and one-upping Daddy.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:22 pm | #

Hecate:

She's not home from work yet.

Only like 20 troll minutes left though, don't worry.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:23 pm | #

ZenziC,

Are you still posting here? I went over to the site you suggested. Unfortunate that I have to register, but I didn't mind. Definitely lotza wackjobs there...I was glad to see that you were posting about the use of napalm in Iraq. That's got to be brought to light.

D
Diogenes | 12.03.04 - 8:24 pm | #

I've observed that cats are genetically attuned to the sound of an electric can opener.
gary in fl | 12.03.04 - 8:25 pm | #

Ted: so your justification for Kerry's actions is that Bush is worse. Similar to Kerry's campaign strategy and very ineffective.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:25 pm | #

Bravo.
scarshapedstar | 12.03.04 - 8:27 pm | #

But it's your party, none of my business.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:19 pm | #

Then, ummm...why bring it up and why harp on it so much? And why try to make it sound like Kerry's planting seeds for some sort of evil empire, if it's perfectly legal and folks seem to be perfectly down with it.
Backslider | 12.03.04 - 8:29 pm | #

Ted: so your justification for Kerry's actions is that Bush is worse. Similar to Kerry's campaign strategy and very ineffective.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:25 pm | #

No. Just that all politicians are generally opportunists, and sleazy. Kerry has had his sites on the WH since he was in his 20's. Nothing wrong with that. At least he had goals and ambitions, while W was swerving drunk around Houston, hitting trash cans, shooting his bothers in the ass with BB guns, killing frogs, and challenging his father to a dual on the front lawn.

I'll take the least of the worst, thank you.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:29 pm | #

I've observed that cats are genetically attuned to the sound of an electric can opener.

they have also mastered the sound of the pull top can, and the sound of a can of tuna being opened.

As far as my cats are concerned the sound of one hand clapping is Catnip.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:30 pm | #

What would cause a cat to sniff in a Boston living room?
1. mouse poop? no
2. Thanksgiving turkey droppings? no
3. Catnip? what do you think?

I'm calling the cat marahoochie police. Those cats better have CATaracks or glaucoma.
Sue | 12.03.04 - 8:30 pm | #

Catblogging trolls- sheeesh!
Pollen Boy | 12.03.04 - 8:32 pm | #

Now if they had asked Kerry for recount money and he had stiffed them, *that* would be wrong. He has said time and again that he wants to be sure the votes are counted correctly wherever they are cast, whatever the result.

That, friend, is called serving the public interest. You won't learn much about that watching Bush work.
Nick Carraway | 12.03.04 - 8:33 pm | #

Of course we do know the sound of one hand typing.....
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:33 pm | #

Backslider:

Do you think it's ethical?

Also, it's of interest to me because it further illustrates the opportunistic nature of Democrats who portray themselves as supporters of liberal values.

Most support themselves, that's it.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:33 pm | #

I meant "claw-coma"
Sue | 12.03.04 - 8:33 pm | #

It's like Goddard - only interesting!

Notice that look at the end? It says "we own you".

.
spork_incident | 12.03.04 - 8:34 pm | #

I have had cats knock the cans of cat food off the counter and only those particular cans. They can either smell the tuna or they recognize the labels. When Pounce used to come in those cardboard containers, one of my cats gnawed a hole in it trying to get at the kitty heroin.
sekmet | 12.03.04 - 8:34 pm | #

I've observed that cats are genetically attuned to the sound of an electric can opener.
gary in fl

And the sound of refrigerators opening.

Although lately when my kitty wants food, she has been beckoning me with one of the digits on her paws....hmmmmm.
Another Bruce | 12.03.04 - 8:35 pm | #

ether,
Do you think it's ethical?

Well, explain to me why it isn't. What would you have Kerry do?
Backslider | 12.03.04 - 8:36 pm | #

Re; cat diet.

Our first guy made it to eighteen on a diet almost exclusively of Purina cat chow. 'Made it to eighteen. 'Fell out of a tree chasing a damm squirrel.
His replacement (shown in pictures) is twelve now; same diet; doesn't climb trees.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:36 pm | #

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NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:36 pm | #

What??? A Bush cheerleader wants to talk about ethics? This oughta be good...
Pollen Boy | 12.03.04 - 8:37 pm | #

"Rossi/Gregoire Washington state gubernatorial recount."

Fine with me; I was born in Washington, and my mother still lives there.

Back to our regularly scheduled topic: there is nothing like furry love. I feel sad for all those who have lost or are soon to lose their cat people. My Blue cat died this summer, and I took two days off to cry. We'd had fifteen years together. I have a new kitten, but I will always remember my Blue with special fondness. She was the most refined and sophisticated cat I ever knew.
Sisi | 12.03.04 - 8:38 pm | #

Also, it's of interest to me because it further illustrates the opportunistic nature of Democrats who portray themselves as supporters of liberal values.

Most support themselves, that's it.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:33 pm | #

Hmmm.. It reminds me of republicans who protray themselves of 'moral values' supporters, pander to the religious right, and then, once in power, don't adhere to a damn bit of Christian values themselves.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:39 pm | #

Backslider:

Kerry should give all of his funds to the DNC. All.

He should have used them in his campaign.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:40 pm | #

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp? ARTICLE_ID=32190

Disgusting.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:38 pm | #

Consider the source. If that's where you get your news from, you might want to stick your head up. Since you've been away in WND lala land, we've discovered evolution, split the atom, gone to the moon, and many other things that would offend the 'Christian' editors of WND.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:41 pm | #

ether; she'll be home any minute. Why don't you go take a leak and roll a coupld of fat ones?
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:42 pm | #

ether,
Okay, so is it against the law to give money to this recount? Is it against the DNC's charter? And isn't this going to help a Deomcratic candidate on the state level, which is really where the Democrats should focus their efforts if they even hope to dream of a resurgence?

In other words, why is this unethical other than "because I said so"?
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:42 pm | #

Backslider,

You are interfering with the glorious sounds made by one hand typing.

This trool is in a categorie by itself.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:42 pm | #

He should have used them in his campaign.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:40 pm | #

But, aren't you glad he didn't??
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:43 pm | #

Perfect example is Senator Feinstein of CA. While maintaining an opposed position on the authorization of force for Iraq for weeks before the vote, Feinstein went against her own position to vote for the authorization of force.

And then wouldn't you know it: her husband gets a 600 million dollar contract out of the war.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ new...RTICLE_ID=32190

Disgusting.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:38 pm

And Halliburton...? How's that not opportunistic? Ya got nothin' here, ether. Fuck any of the politicos who make money off of the terrorism that is war. I don't care if they're Dems or Reps. That said, I am certain there are many more fat wallets around the Rep. table than around the Dem. table as a result of the Emperor Bush's crimes in Iraq.

D
Diogenes | 12.03.04 - 8:43 pm | #

Ted:

The SFChronicle first broke that story.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...22/ MN310531.DTL
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:43 pm | #

BTW BS,
as I was getting home I thought, where has that dude been, nice to see ya.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:44 pm | #

NYMary has a bizarre hairless cat on her website.
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:45 pm | #

kent,
Thanks. Minor computer problem wound up major. Had to do the whole reinstall rag. You know how it goes.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:45 pm | #

ether: quit huffing the stuff. Your brain is not working quite right. Kerry puts money toward another Dem's recount instead of his own. It isn't selfish or unethical. It's an attempt to strengthen the Democratic party. Why are we going to be bothered by that? If the situation was reversed, what should Bush be doing?
Nick Carraway | 12.03.04 - 8:45 pm | #

You know, I'm gay, and attracted to somewhat, shall I say, lesser minded men, for some reason. And ether, at 23, is starting to turn me on.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:46 pm | #

OT, and I mean really OT-

This afternoon I heard a song. It was a cover of The Who's "Baba O'Reilly" (Teenage Wasteland). But it was with accordians. The vocals were straight, but there was accordians.

I really loved it.

Anybody? Bueller?

.
spork_incident | 12.03.04 - 8:46 pm | #

Today's Arab Rap Selection on MP3...
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:46 pm | #

The Kenosha Kid,

yer bit about how cats would take over the world, was spot on LOL.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:46 pm | #

Why isn't Ether serving in Iraq if he is such a loyal repug? Holding out for Iran, maybe?
Eileen Left | 12.03.04 - 8:46 pm | #

Kenosha Kid,
Nice lemur!
NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:46 pm | #

Stinky: so sorry. Last Dec 15th we had to put down our 19 yo...it's tough. Since then we got another, and are getting a third tomorrow. They are each unique and cool creatures. Sorry for your loss.
jdw | 12.03.04 - 8:47 pm | #

BS,
sorry to hear, hope yu did not try long, most times just best to reformat reinstall, if were talking about a windows product.

Ted,
Ya know, I am not gay, but after reading about Alexander I do feel a stirring in the loins for a young lithe man, ether may have me moving into the realm of bi-curious.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:49 pm | #

Backslider:

At the time Kerry donated the money Gregoire was still $700,000 in the hole. If he were helping the party he would have gave the whole amount, not just enought to be remembered should she win.

This illustrates Kerry's opportunistic nature. It is unethical because he is dispersing the money based upon his own political considerations rather than that of his donors.

Would you rather have Kerry pay the whole sum and get the recount going, or have him pay a chunk and continue searching for donors?

If you were him, holding true to your ideals, wouldn't you have done everything possible to help your party in a broader sense?

No, if you were Kerry you would throw out 200,000 on 37 red and hope to hit it big.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:50 pm | #

Ya know, I could very easily wander over to the 5 & Diner for the biggest son of a bitching hamburger in the entire city. Shall I take Arthur with me? Or do I get John Kerry to pay for it?
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:50 pm | #

Man, Ether is really grasping at straws. It's bad enoug to be trolling a catblogging thread, but trolling a catblogging thread by trying to drum up outrage over this non-story...?

Very sad.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:51 pm | #

Maybe it's cat envy.

(pussy envy?)
gonzo | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:52 pm | #

NYMary,

Now that is one beautiful baby!
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 8:52 pm | #

Do you think it's ethical?

You're worried about the ethical implications of what John Kerry does with the remainder of his election cash?

I would think that, as a true conservative, you would be very, very concerned about the ethical and practical implications of the Bush Boy and your beloved repukes draining of the treasury in the last 4 years, the running up of the most massive deficits in history, and the runaway spending that has occurred under your boy's watch.

Please compare and contrast Mssrs. Kerry and Bush Boy's ethics vis a vis the above.
Billy B | 12.03.04 - 8:53 pm | #

Hecate (and everyone else),

Thanks! She's a great kid.
NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:53 pm | #

Very sad.

Kind of like a trainwreck actually. but the "girl" will soon be coming home.

GWPDA - LOL However if John had the opportunity to meet your rascal, I'm sure he would pay for the Burgers.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:54 pm | #

all 3 of our cats are romping in the yard.

and the dog is asleep on the couch.

in other news....
Palestinian Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat condemned the killing of a wanted Islamic Jihad man in the West Bank by the Israel Defense Forces on Friday, saying it "undermines the efforts we're exerting" to reach a truce with militants.
IDF troops shot and killed the militant during an arrest raid in the West Bank before dawn Friday.

The troops surrounded the house where Mahmoud Hamed Kamil, 27, was staying, in the village of Raba southwest of Jenin, and instructed him to come out.

They shot Kamil, who was armed with a pistol, when he tried to escape, the IDF said.

"Soldiers called out for occupants of a house which they suspected contained wanted men to come out," an IDF spokeswoman said. "The man was shot after he was spotted carrying a weapon as he tried to escape."

Security forces said Kamil has been involved in suicide bombings and shooting attacks, Israel Radio reported.

Also in the West Bank, security forces arrested eight Palestinian suspects overnight.
jfrjfrjfr | 12.03.04 - 8:54 pm | #

ether may have me moving into the realm of bi-curious.
kent

By all means get with him, if you don't mind explaining the whole concept over and over again, and getting nothing but dead-eyed, rubbery incomprehension in return.

If it were me, I'd just smash a vase over his head and piss all over his face, then leave him ass-up in the park.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:54 pm | #

Would you rather have Kerry pay the whole sum and get the recount going, or have him pay a chunk and continue searching for donors?

If you were him, holding true to your ideals, wouldn't you have done everything possible to help your party in a broader sense?

So you expect him to front hundreds of thousands out of pocket?

Sheesh. We like Kerry, but we don't expect him to finance his, or assist other campaigns entirely out of his own money.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:56 pm | #

ether,
So you're not upset that Kerry gave any money, but that he didn't give enough? Am I reading you correctly? Frankly, I think you're making a whole lot of assumptions in this - both on Kerry's character and the circumstances surrounding the donation - and I'm curious as to whom this slant on things come from.

Again, is it illegal? Is it against DNC charter? Is Kerry breaking any rules of conduct apart from yours? You ask do I think it's "ethical", and honestly, I don't know. I don't really see what the problem is - it seems to be little more than "politics as usual" to me - so I really can't say.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:58 pm | #

I guarantee if I said anything remotely close to that Atrios would ban me.

I guess some are more equal than others.

I feel sorry for you Philalethes, your father must have pained your arse severely to become as deviated as you are.

Maybe you should vent your rage by killing small animals. That's the next logical progression for deviants such as yourself.
ether | 12.03.04 - 8:58 pm | #

If it were me, I'd just smash a vase over his head and piss all over his face, then leave him ass-up in the park.
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 8:54 pm | #

Now that might have been uncalled for. So far, this is the most polite troll I've ever seen.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 8:59 pm | #

Philalethes,

ROTFLMAO, damn I may have burst a somethin' woooooohooooo. Oh the Glavin.

I could have ejected an entire beer through my nose, I'll have to keep my eye on you.(while i'm drinking that is)
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:00 pm | #

Kerry might donate some of that extra campaign cash to the soup kitchens in Boston, and Chelsea, and Medford, and Arlington, and Hull, and extend outwar from there. maybe a one-time donation at Xmas time. just a thought. micropennies would come from mrs. jfrjfrjfr, and we would sleep better.

or flowers for the boys and girls from MA burried in arlington national...

or a random million to some redstate unemployed person, with explicit instructions to give all $1,000,000 away in 21 days, local public-access crew to follow. all video captured copyright assigned to the DNC for 2006 midterm election footage.

or maybe catfood for every cat in every shelter in america.

there's something good he should do with that cash, just don't know what.
jfrjfrjfr | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:00 pm | #

Backslider:

I am simply saying the DNC rather than Kerry best knows how to spend hard earned working class people's money.

Apparently you disagree.

And Ted: it's not Kerry's money, it's yours and others who donated.
ether | 12.03.04 - 9:00 pm | #

"GWPDA - LOL However if John had the opportunity to meet your rascal, I'm sure he would pay for the Burgers."

Arthur's sacked out on his couch now - I wouldn't dream of waking him. Still, the possibility of a "Blue Moon Burger - Our Famous Diner Burger is covered with a mixture of Blue Cheese Crumbles blended with Cream Cheese, then gently topped with Monterey Jack Cheese, served on a Fresh Toasted Bun." or a " La Bamba Melt -Tender Slices of Roast Beef, Grilled with American Cheese and Green Chili, served on Grilled Rye Bread." is awfully darn tempting.... Maybe I'll call party headquarters and see if anybody there'll fade us...
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:00 pm | #

ether,
Okay, so is it against the law to give money to this recount?

This is idiotic. Hey ether, I donated a small amount to the state of Washington recount. The money went through the DNC. The DNC is helping with this and so is Kerry. Really you're just pissing into the wind here, you got it all over yourself so why don't you just leave so you can go clean yourself off.
Another Bruce | 12.03.04 - 9:02 pm | #

Another:
Jack looking unbelieveably handsome.

Fun fact I just learned from Olbermann: it's against city laws in Provo, UT, to have dogs and cats in the same home. Creepy.
BGK | 12.03.04 - 9:03 pm | #

And Ted: it's not Kerry's money, it's yours and others who donated.
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:00 pm | #

You were asking why he didn't finance the whole recount. He didn't have enough after he gave most of the leftover cash to the DNC already ($14 million). Anything more would have had to come out of his pocket.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:03 pm | #

hmmm... somebody's running a bit late... if there really is someone coming home from work...but who in their right mind would want to come home to tonight's catblog spoiler?

nothing ether said about Kerry's so-called "unethical" behavior makes me think it knows anything about ethics. Typical Bush cheerleader, I guess.
Nick Carraway | 12.03.04 - 9:03 pm | #

Ted, I don't think the kid is being polite, I mean is threadjacking to stir up a reaction to a non issue, attempting to impugn Kerry's integrity as a supporter of the punkass chimp?

Not polite at all, YMMV however.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:03 pm | #

and whar shallow pockets they are.
jfrjfrjfr | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:04 pm | #

gonzo: One up everybody with a video.

Well, not everyone.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:06 pm | #

Good god. Just got off the phone with my sister-in-law, who tells me that our neice, a troubled kid who's been living on the streets since she was sixteen, finally settled down with a guy and now, at 20 has 2 kids under 2--her husband is enlisting in the infantry. There's no jobs here, and they need benefits, and they'll give him enough of a signing bonus to get them out of debt. All their other options are spent.

Jesus fucking christ, I hate this economy.
NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:06 pm | #

ether,
Are you sure the DNC disapproves of the way this money is spent? And as far as I remember, money contributed to a campaign should be used at the discretion of the candidate's office, right? Once I send it in, it's out of my hands, right?

Personally, I'm not a real big fan of the DNC or the "Washington system", and like the idea of leftover campaign money going to help in local races. You're expecting me to be outraged, and I simply don't understand why. And, frankly, as this whole deal is a thimble compared to some of the things the Bush administration is trying to pull (such as the Social Security nonsense Atrios mentions below), I've got my hands a bit full, outrage-wise.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:06 pm | #

GWPDA,

You have a way about describing food that leaves my mouth a'watering. Sounds like a fantastic joint.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:06 pm | #

has Dear Leader announced this week's Man Date yet? can somebody catch me up with who gets the wine and roses?
jfrjfrjfr | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:07 pm | #

Ted can you point me to a report showing Kerry has donated the rest of his money?

This is the last report I can find.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/...10222188.htm? 1c

"According to the two officials familiar with Kerry's account:

• He has $16 million left from the primaries.

• Some $4 million to $5 million of that will be transferred to a legal and compliance fund to help pay for the costs of fighting or resolving 16 Federal Election Commission complaints pending against Kerry. That legal fund already has $8 million.

• Once the transfer is made and all primary season bills are paid, Kerry will have just shy of $10 million in his primary campaign account.

The rest of the money could be used to mount a bid for the presidency in 2008, but the advisers said that had nothing to do with saving the money."
ether | 12.03.04 - 9:08 pm | #

I feel sorry for you Philalethes, your father must have pained your arse severely to become as deviated as you are.

Maybe you should vent your rage by killing small animals. That's the next logical progression for deviants such as yourself.

Actually, I don't even eat animals. Crazy, huh? It's true, though. I save all my hostility for disingenuous, craven, mewling sacks of shit like yourself. Aren't you flattered?
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:08 pm | #

BGK,

You have some good ones, Your Jack reminds me of the dearly departed Sparkey, he is a very handsome boy.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:08 pm | #

finally settled down with a guy and now, at 20 has 2 kids under 2--her husband is enlisting in the infantry. There's no jobs here, and they need benefits, and they'll give him enough of a signing bonus to get them out of debt. All their other options are spent.

this week's Man Date winner gets out of debt. what a jackpot! cuz everybody knows, we have always been at war with oceania/eastasia....

in other news, eight suspects were arrested on the eastasia front.
jfrjfrjfr | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:09 pm | #

Ted, I don't think the kid is being polite, I mean is threadjacking to stir up a reaction to a non issue, attempting to impugn Kerry's integrity as a supporter of the punkass chimp?

I agree, but he could be a lot worse.

Anyway, this whole recount finance issue is so insignificant to me that I couldn't care less.

How about David Dreier (R-CA) going on 26 different overseas vacations with his gay lover (who is also on his payroll earning $156k per year) all on the taxpayers' dime, and within 3 years time?

Do you really want to talk about finance ethics with us, ether? What with all the shit we have on republican congressman, and not to mention the financial travesties of Chicken Caesar?
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:09 pm | #

Thank you, kent, but that's just the 5&Diner, the only really all night dive in Phoenix. Just around the corner from the house. If you eat on the patio you can bring your four-legged guy with you (if s/he sits down and is a good mammal). There's a breakfast deal of eggs and machaca which is just - well, at 5am, it's just what you need....
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:10 pm | #

ether, if only...

IF ONLY YOU WOULD BE AS CONCERNED ABOUT BUSH and his criminal acts.

Please. You're silly. And a total bore.
pie | 12.03.04 - 9:11 pm | #

Phila,
"Mewling" is one of those words you just don't hear very much, sadly.
NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:11 pm | #

nothing ether said about Kerry's so-called "unethical" behavior makes me think it knows anything about ethics. Typical Bush cheerleader, I guess.

Well said, my friend.

Actually, the troll is trying some ineffective sleight of hand here.

The troll wants to shine a light on John Kerry's handling of what amounts to be chickenfeed left over from his campaign so we don't look at what havoc the Bush Boy is wreaking on every front.

Wrong place to try that trick.
Billy B | 12.03.04 - 9:11 pm | #

testing, testing...
gottalaff | 12.03.04 - 9:12 pm | #

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee! AOL stopped banning me! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
gottalaff | 12.03.04 - 9:12 pm | #

Backslider:

I honestly think the DNC has greater sense for where the money is needed the Kerry does.

I simply think Kerry will use the money for his own exploits, rather than for the interests of the party.

The same can be said for Bush's yet to be distibuted leftover warchest.
ether | 12.03.04 - 9:13 pm | #

NYMary,

Another reason they hate abortion and birth control. Make people have kids; give them no jobs; bingo! More soldiers!
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 9:13 pm | #

GWPDA,

I love places like that, I'd probably have to move in. Fantastic burgers, breakfast specials....mmmmmmmmmmmm.

Is there good fishing in the Gila river?
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:14 pm | #

he rest of the money could be used to mount a bid for the presidency in 2008, but the advisers said that had nothing to do with saving the money."
ether | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:08 pm | #

We don't care!!. You don't seem to get that I trust Kerry's ethics infinitely more than Bush's. I dispute the info you have, but not enough to bother with it. If Kerry were spending the excess cash on a massive yacht or something, I might be concerned. But he's spending it on helping Democrats.

If you don't have anything else to do, can you please move on to another topic?

Kent: checked your blog out. Added it to my daily reading list.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:14 pm | #

I'm gettin a lot of: our actions are justified because Bush is allegedly worse.

Borish.
ether | 12.03.04 - 9:15 pm | #

ether,
I think you made your point. Backslider's maybe the kindest, most patient soul on the planet (unless you happen to be a sensitive singer-songwriter type); don't take advantage of his good nature.
NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:16 pm | #

I'm gettin a lot of: our actions are justified because Bush is allegedly worse.

That's your problem, dearest. One you're happy to create.
pie | 12.03.04 - 9:16 pm | #

Hi, gottalaff.

I kinda know how you might have been feeling. I can't post from work, so all I do is lurk all day. Shit, it sucks not to be able to respond.
Billy B | 12.03.04 - 9:17 pm | #

ether,
Mayhap you're right. Mayhap you're not. I'm no expert in such matters and I'd wager to guess that neither are you ('course you could be). Now, that being said, this really doesn't boil down to a question of ethics, but more a question of function. You disagree with the way Kerry is spending the money, but it's not legal and you've basically failed to prove that it's "unethical". It's just your opinion. Personally, I think it's unethical to, say, ignore a group that's attacked the United States, and instead pump over $200 million a day into a complete mess to fight a country that had nothing to do with said attacks. And I think it's unethical to drive an SUV when you don't really need one.

But those are just opinions, see. So, you asked me if I thought Kerry's actions were unethical. I ask you to explain to my why they were. You failed to do so. Therefor, I still fail to see why it's unethical.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:18 pm | #

Now that might have been uncalled for. So far, this is the most polite troll I've ever seen.
Ted

Maybe. But "concern" trolls are always polite. That's their schtick!
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:18 pm | #

I'm gettin a lot of: our actions are justified because Bush is allegedly worse.

Bush makes Kerry look like Mother Theresa and Buddha rolled into one.

Move on to another topic please. Kerry spending leftover campaign money on other Democrats is precisely what I would have expected him to do when I sent him the damn money!
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:19 pm | #

Backslider's maybe the kindest, most patient soul on the planet (unless you happen to be a sensitive singer-songwriter type);

*LAUGH*

And moral busybody types who try to enforce their "values" on everyone else without logic or reason. And drummers who can't keep good time, but those are legion in this sad world.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:20 pm | #

Ted,

Exactly, can we talk about cedret energy policy meetings with maps of iraqi oilfields layed out long before the war started. How about the 23 or more "justifications" to send our blood and treasure into a meatgrinder ala vietnam redux.

Maybe acting like you have a mandate when serious questions are raised about the conduct of your party vis a vis voter suppression and disenfranchisement. The lies the War profiteering the looting of the treasury.........and on and on and on.

This tack is pure rove, pick a non issue hang onto it like a pitbull on a postmans leg and attempt to distract attention from shit that really matters, or the fact that they can't govern.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:20 pm | #

Maybe. But "concern" trolls are always polite. That's their schtick!

I bow to your wisdom. I've only been blog-aware for several months, so kinda late to the party.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:20 pm | #

Borish.

I think you mean "boorish."

Or are you talking to "Boris"?

Just trying to help.
Thersites | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:21 pm | #

The Ukranian Supreme Court appears to have ordered them to redo the election. Man I never thought I'd live to see the day when the USofA was so far behind Ukraine in so many things.
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 9:22 pm | #

or people who give (or receive?) head at AC/DC shows....
NYMary | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:23 pm | #

Thanks Ted
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:25 pm | #

Borish.

That's Russian for beet soup or something, isn't it?
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 9:25 pm | #

Treachery and the Rush of Mad Darkness
If Dubya and his temple of doom at the Pentagon thought Saddam to be an artificial or transparent must-have, they should be immediately boiled alive in the Library of Congress and kept alive long enough so that the families who lost a loved one can spit just once, before raging heat forces the body to succomb to the ghoulish soup.
syntallic | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:25 pm | #

cedret=secret

Damn fat fingers.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:26 pm | #

Did you clear the part where she licks herself with Michael Powell ?
brucds | 12.03.04 - 9:26 pm | #

Man I never thought I'd live to see the day when the USofA was so far behind Ukraine in so many things.

Especially the one thing that counts the most: government of the people, by the people, and for the people shall not perish from the earth...

Boot Bush.
pie | 12.03.04 - 9:27 pm | #

or people who give (or receive?) head at AC/DC shows....
NYMary

HAAAAAA ...
Shoot to thrill, play to kill
Too many women with too many pills
Shoot to thrill, play to kill
I got my gun at the ready, gonna fire at will
syntallic | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:27 pm | #

Did you clear the part where she licks herself with Michael Powell ?

Not sure I want to know but I think I missed something.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:28 pm | #

cedret=secret

Damn fat fingers.
kent | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:26 pm | #

Don't forget to factor the beer in that situation. I know. I've got one right here.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:28 pm | #

that'd make me a hypocrite

Oh, come on, tell!
Hecate | 12.03.04 - 9:29 pm | #

christ that was boring

i still come here everyday

but this clip was a great gift to me

i will keep it until i have insomnia again
Maccabee | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:29 pm | #

AOL stopped banning me!

i got the special letter from Steve Case over nine years ago, and considered it a badge of honor ever since.

YEE YEE
syntallic | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:29 pm | #

Damn, that AC/DC tribute show my last band played in was a fucking blast, but alas theree was no head given or recieved.

But a fantastic rock performance is almost better than sex so I ain't complaining.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:31 pm | #

"There's no jobs here, and they need benefits, and they'll give him enough of a signing bonus to get them out of debt. All their other options are spent."

Think of it as welfare reform. The empire needs warm bodies...

I never thought I would say this, as a Vietnam-era draft resister, but I wish they would bring back the goddam draft so there are political consequences when kids get sent off to war. Raiding the boonies and inner cities and pockets of pro-war fervor for their human sacrifices just makes it all too damn easy for these fucks.
brucds | 12.03.04 - 9:33 pm | #

The Ukranian Supreme Court appears to have ordered them to redo the election. Man I never thought I'd live to see the day when the USofA was so far behind Ukraine in so many thing

The god damn irony of ironies is that the god damn US Supreme Court installed the Bush Boy in 2000 and would likely do the same thing again in 2004 if given the chance.

Who'da thunk it?
Billy B | 12.03.04 - 9:34 pm | #

i will keep it until i have insomnia again
Maccabee

Sheesh...if that's all it takes to cure your insomnia, I envy you. Last night I had to read a solid 30 pages of Laura Riding's "Anarchism is Not Enough" to fall asleep. That's the equivalent of 3 dilaudids and a shot of moonshine.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:36 pm | #

"or people who give (or receive?) head at AC/DC shows....
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:23 pm | #"

Not sure I want to know, but I think I missed something.
brucds | 12.03.04 - 9:36 pm | #

I just read at Kos that the news about Jennifer Granholm's supposed reversal of domestic partner benefits was inaccurate.

Did someone post the correction?
pie | 12.03.04 - 9:38 pm | #

Tweety must feel very guilty about his role in re-electing Bush....Amy Goodman has been on his show a lot lately, and surprise! he actually lets her talk.
Rock. | 12.03.04 - 9:39 pm | #

Since when is Tweety on twice a night when there's no impending election? Isn't this Norville's time slot?
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:40 pm | #

Since when is Tweety on twice a night when there's no impending election? Isn't this Norville's time slot?
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:41 pm | #

Don't forget to factor the beer in that situation.

I knew I was forgetting something.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:41 pm | #

I had a black male that learned how to turn on light switches. He jumped up to swat them for fun and discovered they turned on the lights. He learned how to jump on a table near the kitchen door and put his paws on the door handle trying to turn it to go outside. He could turn it a little but not enough to open it.
Bluto W Bush | 12.03.04 - 9:42 pm | #

Ahhhh.. Well, yes, I double-posted, but the good news is that Firefox warns you that it is going to resend some 'POSTDATA'. Now that I know what happens, I won't click Continue next time.

Way better than IE.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:42 pm | #

I had a black male that learned how to turn on light switches.

You're obviously not talking about Alan Keyes.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:45 pm | #

Steve Simels -

I have seen the cats at the Ernest Hemingway House in Key West. It's amazing, they're all just roaming around the place. Loved it. They are supposedly all descendents of Hemingway's cats.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.03.04 - 9:45 pm | #

Bluto,

I love the "thinkers" and watching them figure out how to do all manner of things. Turning on a light switch is a new one though. The smart ones seem to have the door worked out but just dont have the hardware.

I wonder if our european friends might let us know if the euro style door handles are more easily manipulated by our feline overloards.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:46 pm | #

Way better than IE.
Ted

What isn't? But is FF one of those huge 128 MB open-source deals Mozilla so often does, or is it more stable ad manageable? I'm sick of using Netscape, but my previous open-source excursions ended in disaster...
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:47 pm | #

Marijuana makes me paranoid.
Anonymous | 12.03.04 - 9:48 pm | #

jftb,

How is your little male visitor doing?
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:48 pm | #

I had a black male

You may want to rephrase that.
chris/tx | 12.03.04 - 9:48 pm | #

Spitzer '08!
gary in fl | 12.03.04 - 9:49 pm | #

Now that I have a BLOG of sorts, and photos sitting undeveloped in a camera I keep forgetting to take to be developed, I look forward to throwing a pic of my Catcher's-Mitt Monster into the mix. IF he deigned to let me get a decent one on this roll.

Meanwhile, the cat, squid, nudibranch, and beautiful-kid-with-fat-li'l-cheeks blogging is a great way to spend Fridays.

There is also a rather nice collection of Diebold posters linked at my BLOG, since nothing much seems to be happening with the LTE Project.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:49 pm | #

Philalethes, I don't know how big FF is, but it seems to work just fine on the one machine I'm experimenting with it on. (great sentence structure there...) I did find that it wasn't happy with Outlook Web Access at work. For whatever that's worth...
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 9:51 pm | #

The reason so many people joke about marijuana is because they all know it's truly a dangerous drug.
Anonymous | 12.03.04 - 9:52 pm | #

Now that I have a BLOG of sorts, and photos sitting undeveloped in a camera

Great! Looks good, and what fine taste you have in blogger templates!

I've gotta blogroll about a dozen of y'all...Backslider, Kent, Silleigh, Syntallic, God knows who else...I'm way behind on that.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:52 pm | #

Ted | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:42 pm

Ted, you checked extensions lately? There's one now for Firefox 1.0 that puts an automatic TinyURL maker under your Tools menu -- you don't even have to go to TinyURL.com to do it.

It's called... Tiny URL Creator. (Imaginative.) Very handy if you do much long-URL work -- I'm still trying to break the habit of all that cutting & pasting.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:52 pm | #

OT
five minor blasts in Madrid outskirts following anonymous phone call warning. Apparently Basques are the stupidest people on the face of the earth or something. Or maybe rightists trying to blame Basques, which they would never dream of, not even near an election.
kei & yuri | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:53 pm | #

What isn't? But is FF one of those huge 128 MB open-source deals Mozilla so often does, or is it more stable ad manageable? I'm sick of using Netscape, but my previous open-source excursions ended in disaster...
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:47 pm | #

No. It's not open-source, and it's proprietary, but it's free. It is SO much better, I can't even tell you. It's loaded with features you never knew you needed, but are great. I work in IT, and have tried practically every browser, and this is the best so far. Very stable, more than anything I've used so far. And it's installation will migrate your IE settings and favorites for you. It's also faster.

The only downside I've seen is that the scroll wheel function of the mouse causes FF to scroll more incrementally and slowly than IE and Nutscrape.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:53 pm | #

Philalethes,

I think FF is around 8 megs for linux and 6 for windows (pulling numbers out of my ass) It has been pretty damn good for the last year or so. I would reccomend you give it another whorl.

BTW if you havent used tabs, you haven't lived. Tabbed Browsing rocks the house. Ever since that feature showed up in Galeon a gecko based browser, I can't look back.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:53 pm | #

I'm beginning to think I'm the only democrat with a dog....
Anthony White | 12.03.04 - 9:53 pm | #

t's called... Tiny URL Creator. (Imaginative.) Very handy if you do much long-URL work -- I'm still trying to break the habit of all that cutting & pasting.
Silleigh | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:52 pm | #

You rock.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:54 pm | #

Oh christ...please not the "marijuana" troll again. Time to jump ship!
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:54 pm | #

The reason so many people joke about marijuana is because they all know it's truly a dangerous drug.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:52 pm | #

Stop it! That's hilarious!
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:55 pm | #

Thanks, Kent! So I guess they don't have a version for Mac? I've got both systems running...nice to have the same browser on both, but not essential...
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:55 pm | #

I've gotta blogroll about a dozen of y'all...Backslider, Kent, Silleigh, Syntallic, God knows who else...I'm way behind on that.

HELLOOOO!!! YOOHOOO!!!

The Kenosha Kid's blog
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

Phila, damn, I only just noticed that we have the same template. ...So there's a way to get rid of that idiotic profile thingy I don't want???

::go in to the template (shudder)... pick through the confusing HTML... delete what LOOKS like it might be a profile box... PANIC ATTACK::
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

Don't laugh Phila, I've had three friends OD on marijuana this year alone.
chris/tx | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

Silleigh,

I cant wait to see your funny beast, I have a link to my polydactyl above but she really is not in a position to enjoy her mitts.

(or hit homepage, she is still at the top)
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

Oh christ...please not the "marijuana" troll again. Time to jump ship!
What's wrong? Does the discussion of marijuana make you paranoid?
Anonymous | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

Ted---
Don't question where Norville is, just accept and be happy. I will never forget her stupidity during her interview with the daily show staff. She should have stuck with Inside Edition longer, you know, learned proper journalism better.
Rock. | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

Thanks, Ted. I'm sold! I'll try it out right away.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

BTW if you havent used tabs, you haven't lived. Tabbed Browsing rocks the house. Ever since that feature showed up in Galeon a gecko based browser, I can't look back.
kent | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:53 pm | #

Yes. The tabbed browsing is about the best feature it has.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:57 pm | #

But marijuana really is dangerous. You get caught with it in the wrong place, you can ruin your world. I have relatives who have done so. Nice people, too, but a few years in various cells didn't help them much at all.

Of course, asprin, alcohol, scuba diving, having babies and sexual intercourse are also dangerous.
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 9:58 pm | #

Silleigh,

Yeah, you can just delete that thing. The HTML's pretty well organized, actually. I can't remember the exact title, but you can get rid of it through trial and error, using the "preview" button.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:59 pm | #

Oh christ...please not the "marijuana" troll again. Time to jump ship!
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:54 pm | #

There's a troll that is specific to the issue of marijauna and nothing else?

They are definitely strange.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 9:59 pm | #

Don't laugh Phila, I've had three friends OD on marijuana this year alone.
Are you serious chris? I think the room needs to hear your story. The other day people in here were saying 'nobody ever died from smoking weed.' They were also insisting that it doesn't impact motor skills and that it's ok to drive stoned.
Anonymous | 12.03.04 - 9:59 pm | #

BTW if you havent used tabs, you haven't lived. Tabbed Browsing rocks the house. Ever since that feature showed up in Galeon a gecko based browser, I can't look back.

Kent, I have to live without it at work on my stoopid old Mac that won't deal with a decent browser (even Netscape crashes on about the 3rd tab there), and I can't WAIT to get home to my beloved Firefox every night.

Never thought I'd be all crazy 'n shit about a BROWSER.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:00 pm | #

More cat fun facts-Hemingway had a lot of cats at his place in Cuba too.
There were as many as fifty-seven cats living at the Finca, all of them given names with an ‘s’ or a ‘z’ in - Crazy, Christian, Ecstasy, Funhouse, Fats, Friendless. Hemingway had a theory that this enabled them to hear their name called more easily.
Boise, the most spoiled cat of them all, was, as far as I can tell, the only living creature Hemingway ever allowed in the room when he was writing, apart from his beloved Black Dog.
Karin | 12.03.04 - 10:00 pm | #

Anthony White,

Naw, here's Dolly

She belongs to a couple of friends of mine, and I happen to have the pleasure of being her third favorite pack member.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:01 pm | #

Don't laugh Phila, I've had three friends OD on marijuana this year alone.
chris/tx | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 9:56 pm | #

How is that possible by smoking it? I've been extremely baked on weed before, but how do you consume that much that you 'OD'?
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:01 pm | #

I don't enjoy marijuana at all, which is why I don't smoke it. Seems to work just fine for Backslider, though, who tends to be more reasonable stoned than I am sober. Chacun a son gout, as the cheese-eating surrender monkeys say...
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:01 pm | #

Anthony White,

If you got pictures, share away, this is a big tent.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:02 pm | #

Yup, it's the "live high or die" troll, round II. What a fucking nutcase.

I think I'll be rolling along for the evening. Thanks for the browser tips, and have a pleasant evening, everyone!
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:03 pm | #

They were also insisting that it doesn't impact motor skills and that it's ok to drive stoned.

I don't agree with that. From personal experience, I I wouldn't think it's safe to drive stoned.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:04 pm | #

kent -

haven't seen the little guy in three days! well, maybe he has other watering holes... hope he's okay.

leaving for the evening, L.A. time. You guys have fun with the kitties and all...
Jenny from the Blog | 12.03.04 - 10:05 pm | #

Philalethes,

they do have a mac version called camino I believe, yep thats right.

Camino

That should get you what you want.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:05 pm | #

Anyone else have trouble with Atrios on Mozilla. Sometimes it doesn't show the last post and comments take an eternity to load. Just wondering....

I've been liking Mozilla better than IE for most stuff.
brucds | 12.03.04 - 10:05 pm | #

No one was actually saying that, Ted. This troll's really out of its tiny little mind. Give it a wide berth, is my advice!

Cheers!
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:06 pm | #

I cant wait to see your funny beast, I have a link to my polydactyl above but she really is not in a position to enjoy her mitts.

Kent, I was just over there earlier this evening. Bean looks a bit like Shock (he's solid black, yellow eyes), although Bean doesn't seem to be almost a yard long and have all that screwy hair goin' on.

Phila: With me, the "error" part is the REALLY important part. If it weren't for Filkertom I'd still be struggling with the damn links.

Ted: Also, when you're checking extensions, look for WeatherFox if you don't already have it. It throws tiny weather icons on your very top menu bar that show you the temp and forecast for a customized number of days -- just by mousing over them, no clicking even necessary to see what the weather's doing.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:06 pm | #

I am going to get paranoid. Silly me I allready am.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:06 pm | #

how is it possible to OD on marijuana--smoke poison labeled marijuana by an insane self-defeating prohibition. Be unhealthy in the first place and have some other problem exacerbated by it. We don't smoke and despise what are now called hippies but seriously this is so much less of a threat, or even an issue, than date rape drug, fight-starting, life-ruining, crash-causing alcohol it isn't funny.
kei & yuri | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:07 pm | #

Check out Bull Moose for the latest in the scumbag follies from Grover and Ralphie and Tommy the douchebag.

Fuckers.

When will the shit finally hit the fan for these pricks?
Randolph the Red | 12.03.04 - 10:08 pm | #

Ted: Also, when you're checking extensions, look for WeatherFox if you don't already have it. It throws tiny weather icons on your very top menu bar that show you the temp and forecast for a customized number of days -- just by mousing over them, no clicking even necessary to see what the weather's doing.
Silleigh | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:06 pm | #

You rock again.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:08 pm | #

Marajuana makes me paranoid too. I get this feeling that somebody wants to arrest me.
brucds | 12.03.04 - 10:08 pm | #

::go in to the template (shudder)... pick through the confusing HTML... delete what LOOKS like it might be a profile box... PANIC ATTACK::

copy paste and save a copy of the template before you mess around with it. then hack away, always hit preview blog, take a look and if everything works save. Screwed pooch walking? copy back the original template - bingo
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:10 pm | #

Ted: PLEASE PLEASE tell me you've got AdBlock, at least.

I don't rock, I'm just a Firefox slut.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:11 pm | #

Silleigh,

If AdBlock is a plugin/addon for FF, I don't. But I use other adware/spyware software that keeps my computers quite clean.

But if there's an addon for FF that does that, wouldn't be a bad idea.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:13 pm | #

I like Avant browser myself. It also has tabbed browsing, but the one cool feature I like is how it drops you right back to where you were when you refresh the haloscan page. Yeah, I'm lazy.

I'm not paranoid though.
Central Scrutinizer | 12.03.04 - 10:13 pm | #

"despise what are now called hippies"

Isn't it a little strange to use "hippies" and "now" in the same sentence ? And isn't "despise" a bit strong to use against that particular lifeform ? What happened ? Somebody drag you to Grateful Dead concert back in the nineties ?
brucds | 12.03.04 - 10:14 pm | #

The pro-abstinence only types are out in full force...methinks they doth protest too much..check out my page for a link!
Scooter Blue | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:15 pm | #

Kent: If I copy that template into MSWord, will it do the smart-ass crap it usually does like turn things into bulleted lists because it thinks it's smarter than I am? "It looks like you're trying to code, and don't realize you're too stupid to live. Would you like to go lie down and die now?"

Maybe I'd better use Notepad for that, hmm. Excellent idea. I go blue when editing the template, from holding my breath.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:15 pm | #

Were those cats playing "Simon Says?"
Monica A | 12.03.04 - 10:15 pm | #

like Avant browser myself. It also has tabbed browsing, but the one cool feature I like is how it drops you right back to where you were when you refresh the haloscan page. Yeah, I'm lazy.

FireFox does that too, but if you just posted, and attempt to 'Reload' the Haloscan window, it asks you if you want to resend the post data as well. You have to close the HS window and reopen if you want to use the 'Reload' feature again without double-posting.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:16 pm | #

Silleigh,

I occasionally love certain software, but after TKDesk broke my heart, I am a fickle lad. But tabs, gotta have em.

Does Opera make a mac system 9 version?
that might be a solution.

why dont I just check in the google tab.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:16 pm | #

Ted -- I don't get pop-ups and garbage (and I still run AdAware and Spybot frequently -- don't find much unless I've had to use IE), but when I hit a page that's got an annoying graphic on it, AdBlock marks it with a tab. I hit the tab, it throws up a window, I hit OK in the window, and the ad disappears, sometimes for days. Sometimes not. But you can immediately declutter a lot of webpages with Adblock. Also, there will be an "Adblock" square at the bottom right of your browser taskbar that, if you click on it, will show you everything than can be blocked on a particular page. It's great if you browse a lot of newspapers.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:19 pm | #

Maybe I'd better use Notepad

Bingo,

never use word (unless you turn auto formatting off first) if you are saving text or html files.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:21 pm | #

Oh and no dice on Opera, though I am taking a liik at avant.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:21 pm | #

Kent: I DL'd Opera at work. Played with it awhile -- it seemed okay, but don't you have to pay for that one after awhile? I don't want to pay for a browser for my office compy.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:21 pm | #

Silleigh,

Does that include those annoying fade-in-fade-out ads that show up sometimes? What about annoying frantic animation ads?

Wow. I guess I really need that addon. I do browse a lot of newspapers.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:22 pm | #

Pot doesn't make me paranoid. The culture we live in sure as hell does, though.

And it is possible to overdose on marijuana, but it's usually symptamatic of a pre-existing condition. Most likely an allergy. I had a bud in college who had a very bad reaction to his first puff, not unlike a bee sting. But just consuming mass quantities of pot...well, it would have to be herculean.

And, one has to remember, "overdosing" does not neccessarily equal "dying". I know a cat that's OD'd twice on heroin and he's still kickin', though that's not at all meant to be taken as a recommendation of much of anything.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:23 pm | #

Backslider, are we talking hep cat or feline?
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 10:25 pm | #

it asks you if you want to resend the post data as well. You have to close the HS window and reopen if you want to use the 'Reload' feature again without double-posting.

Ted

You might try right click back, then clean out the haloscan window (though you don't have to) and then right click refresh/reload depending on your OS. then it will do the same without closing the window.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:25 pm | #

I even tried iCab at work, when Eschaton had a ticker ad that was killing IE5/Mac. With Eschaton, iCab stuck the OK button in the smack-dab middle of the comments typing window. Arrgh. I've given up, and there is talk of getting me a decent box.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:25 pm | #

Ted -- I think you'd like AdBlock. It won't get rid of everything, but it'll get rid of a LOT.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:26 pm | #

Ted,

I haven't tried a new version of FF for a while, but in older versions it would just start the comments page back at the top after refreshing. Avant warns you about double posting as well. I may have to give FF another chance, but I'm pretty comfortable with Avant.
Central Scrutinizer | 12.03.04 - 10:26 pm | #

Ted -- I think you'd like AdBlock. It won't get rid of everything, but it'll get rid of a LOT.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:26 pm | #

But just consuming mass quantities of pot...well, it would have to be herculean.

And it's definitely not something you want more and more and more of. Once I'm set, I'm set.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:26 pm | #

You might try right click back, then clean out the haloscan window (though you don't have to) and then right click refresh/reload depending on your OS. then it will do the same without closing the window.
kent | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:25 pm | #

'Back' is greyed out in FF while in the HS window. :-(
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:28 pm | #

Well, it *is* a cat blog, so I thought I should ask. But maybe he used up two of his nine lives anyway?
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 10:29 pm | #

I haven't tried a new version of FF for a while, but in older versions it would just start the comments page back at the top after refreshing. Avant warns you about double posting as well. I may have to give FF another chance, but I'm pretty comfortable with Avant.
Central Scrutinizer | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:26 pm | #

FF definitely warns you about double-posting. The problem is that you can't refresh after posting, or it will warn you about it, and the only thing you can do is close the window and reopen it, if you want to still use the refresh feature.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:30 pm | #

Silleigh,

cool, opera homepage only showed an osx
version. Well you could use it for the trial period, send the folder to the trash and download again, but that might get old.

Think about it this way if it makes life easier, It just might be worth paying for it, I don't think they want too much scratch. but then I was always the guy to pay for tools that I knew would pay for themselves when the boss wasn't interested. I still have the tools.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:30 pm | #

Downbound,
Trust me, this is one of those dudes who's definately running on borrowed time. He looks like hell but he says he's had himself a real good time getting that way.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:31 pm | #

I'm contemplating becoming an anti-Firefox troll. Can anyone give me some pointers?
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:33 pm | #

there is talk of getting me a decent box.

Now this would truly be the solution. Does your IT guy not want to put OSX on the box, or are you running a bunch of legacy programs, like quark 4 for instance.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:33 pm | #

Kent -- as usual, you've got a point. Maybe I should give it another shot (if it's still available for MacBackward).
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:36 pm | #

rats, computer nerdage instead of troll hypocrisy.

friendly advice to all the frustrated:

GET A MAC.

happy friday, y'all.
theodoric | 12.03.04 - 10:36 pm | #

'Back' is greyed out in FF while in the HS window. :-(
Ted

Do you open up hscan box in a separate window? I open these in a new tab/full window, now with javascript haloscan windows it will only let you open a little one. You can check the bottom or status bar for the difference as you mouse over the link.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:38 pm | #

I'm contemplating becoming an anti-Firefox troll. Can anyone give me some pointers?
Eli | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:33 pm | #

Your best bet is to start by calling all of us who use FireFox treasonous homo Murrka haters who eat feces and dine on fetuses. Then tell us we're the anti-christ, and intend to take over the country and force everyone to engage in ritual sodomy in the town squares (though that might make some of us horny).

Top it all off with a big "Commie faggots!!", and you're ready for the big time!
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:38 pm | #

You know, talking about decent boxes might give a troll a real complex...

True story. Friend of ours received a keepsake cedar chest for Christmas and it was really pleasantly wafting cedar scents all over the place. The rest of us wanted to play cards, but our friend declined, said she just wanted to sit on the couch and sniff her box. Took about 10 minutes for the laughter to die down.
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 10:40 pm | #

Does your IT guy not want to put OSX on the box, or are you running a bunch of legacy programs, like quark 4 for instance.

There's the legacy problem -- all of us (5-person art department) dealing with that. Writers can't fileshare with artists using OSX for some reason. Two writers, me with a G3, the other with a G4 -- we both loaded OSX and it slows our machines down to a severely ridiculous crawl. Sad, because the interface looks bitchin'.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:41 pm | #

Top it all off with a big "Commie faggots!!", and you're ready for the big time!

Now thats some fine Trolling.

BS I am gonna have to look into this overdosing on paranoia situation, I'll keep you posted.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:41 pm | #

(Wouldn't the only appropriate trolling on a cat-blogging thread be anti-*cat* trolling? Just asking...)

I also extend my sympathies to all those whose cats are ailing or recently departed - I love the furry little critters as well, and miss having them around.

My mom had to put down my favorite cat,
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:42 pm | #

Took about 10 minutes for the laughter to die down.

Got a solid 20 seconds of pure Hoosier Bellylaugh from me.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:43 pm | #

Let's try that again, attempt at link failed horribly - click my homepage for picture of my (sadly departed) Favorite Cat In The World:

(Wouldn't the only appropriate trolling on a cat-blogging thread be anti-*cat* trolling? Just asking...)

I also extend my sympathies to all those whose cats are ailing or recently departed - I love the furry little critters as well, and miss having them around.

My mom had to put down my favorite cat, Eek, a few months ago - she's on the other side of the country, and I never even got to say goodbye (I didn't even find out until months later when I asked how she was; Mom couldn't bring herself to tell me). Bean looks a lot like a non-tortie version, very plush and self-satisfied-looking. She has a brother, who looks like a fluffy gray lion, who has some health issues as well - I made sure to say goodbye to him at the end of my visit, just in case.

Sigh. 14 years is not enough.
Eli | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:44 pm | #

Oh, and at the end of the movie, it looked to me like the cats were saying, "Why are you filming this???"
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:46 pm | #

Red Chinese Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missile Nuclear Submarine
Terror Gods | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:46 pm | #

Silleigh,

I knew it. My last IT gig was in an advertising agency, and I had the pleasure of testing some of the early G3 OSX compatability situation and "Classic Mode" and yup without a substantial increase in memory or processor upgrade not so good.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:47 pm | #

"I know a cat that's OD'd twice on heroin and he's still kickin' "

Was that a pun ?
brucds | 12.03.04 - 10:48 pm | #

Flat Cat looked so sweet, Eli -- he got a 10 from me.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:49 pm | #

Thanks! That's Eek, I just titled it Flat Cat to distinguish it from her Squirrel Cat picture - also cute, but looks even less like her than that one. I should maybe post some of her grown-up pictures...
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:52 pm | #

Well, it appears that...

This thread...Is dead...
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:54 pm | #

And if you've never checked out ratemykitten.com, I recommend it highly, especially the Top 20.

My all-time favorite is probably the one who appears to be waving at the camera from inside a cup.
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:54 pm | #

The thread is just taking a catnap.
Downbound | 12.03.04 - 10:55 pm | #

Eli,

She was a beaut, looks like a shorthaired version of bean. The dark torties have a lot of spirit.

One of these days you will get to have another kitten and then a lifelong friend.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:56 pm | #

Very depressing. By the time I get home and caught up on the threads, they've already run their course, and no new ones are forthcoming.
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:56 pm | #

I knew it. My last IT gig was in an advertising agency, and I had the pleasure of testing some of the early G3 OSX compatability situation and "Classic Mode" and yup without a substantial increase in memory or processor upgrade not so good.

Hello. Zackly. We're an in-house "ad agency" in addition to producing collateral, catalogs, packaging, and the occasional magazine when they let us slip it in the schedule. And with all the legacy software, Excel only knows how much $$$ it would take us to get right with Jesus, er, OSX. Oh, and the whole other part of the business is Windows-based, meaning that when I send a file to someone Over There, half the time it gets garbled all to hell.

One of our artists has done some incredible animation with his (fabulous) Mac: I highly recommend the original Pencilman, at the top of the page, especially for Mac lovers.
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 10:57 pm | #

Eli, I do believe I have Eek's doppelganger living in my house:

http://tinyurl.com/3qttn

Funny thing -- her name is Squeek. She's batshit -- completely and utterly batshit. We love her to death.
Philostopher | 12.03.04 - 10:57 pm | #

That's the thing, and the problem with the pictures: She's *not* a shorthair, she really does look like exactly like a tortie Bean. And they both have that look, which my Mom calls a "fat look."
Eli | 12.03.04 - 10:57 pm | #

She was a beaut, looks like a shorthaired version of bean. The dark torties have a lot of spirit.

That is so correct. I have a dark grey tortie that is half Egyptian breed, and for some reason is somewhat miniature. But GAWD does that cat have spirit. It's the most needy, most feisty, most engaged cat mind I've ever known.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 10:59 pm | #

Aw. Very cute! Does she make wee squeaking noises?

My girlfriend's cat is also a tortie, but is, well, Of The Devil. Actually threw up on the priest when they took her to a pet blessing ceremony at the local church. Is one of those cats who can be very sweet & affectionate one moment, then try to rip your (and by "your", I mean "my girlfriend's") leg open then next. And is diabolically smart.
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:01 pm | #

Catnip?

Seems like you sprayed the carpet with catnip to get them so interested in that spot. Would you do a think like that just to make a movie?
Agathena | 12.03.04 - 11:02 pm | #

Aw. Very cute! Does she make wee squeaking noises?

She does -- and if we say 'Squeek?' to her, she will respond appropriately.

We actually have two tortoiseshells, both of whom are 'holler-impaired' -- we'd already named the first one Doodle, so this one got the name based on her pitiful voice.

Both of them are nuts, though Squeek is the more malicious of the two, playing 'death from above' with the other cats and, occasionally, the dog.

We have four cats, all together -- two tabbies, one gray and one orange, and the torties -- plus a smallish dog. It's quite an interesting household, petwise!
Philostopher | 12.03.04 - 11:05 pm | #

Whoa! Fuck the cats! did you see the CBS report on the job growth tonight? Jeeeeeesus! they actually reported with a straight fucking face some of the jobs created......elves in a fucking department store and singing poinsettas......Holy fuck! Might as well write the damned country off!
Vinnie | 12.03.04 - 11:05 pm | #

Aw. Very cute! Does she make wee squeaking noises?

If you were talking to me, well, her noises sound like an adult cat, just miniature, so kinda squeeky at times. Sometimes when you wake her up, she slightly opens her eyes, and makes a faint squeek attempt at a 'meow'. But it's funny you asked that, because when she was a kitten, my boyfriend and I nicknamed her 'The Squeeker'.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:06 pm | #

She's actually more like having a dog, needing constant attention and praise.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:07 pm | #

did someone say cat flogging?
jh | 12.03.04 - 11:08 pm | #

Silleigh,

Thats the shop I supported, both the mac and windows side, and since I was the designated "mac" guy, because my superior was clueless I had the pleasure of tracking down all the file conversion issues, oh and the PBX phone system, the fancy new video conferencing hardware, the wackjob printserver situation, that was a disaster before I got there, and within the week superior 1 says "well I really don't know anything about this set up or problem, so I'd like you to fix this"

Ahh yes the visions of managemnet and ohh jebus.

So how many techs support the place and is your mac guy a "real" mac guy.
(I sure as hell wasn't but I was the first PC guy to give a shit, try and succeed)

Sorry, many memories, brilliant people fucked up management. The ad biz
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:08 pm | #

Hey look - when one cat licks, the other licks!
When one cat sniffs, the other sniffs!

What a couple of *Copy Cats*!
GuyWithTheCoat | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:08 pm | #

Never mind, Eli. DIdn't read some of the posts!
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:09 pm | #

If anyone remembers, a few weeks ago I was talking about adopting a rescued kitty, a little old lady cat who got kicked out of her home by some walking garbage cleverly disguised as humans.

Well, I did adopt her. I renamed her Pamela, and she's learning it v. quickly. I followed Kent's advice on how to introduce Pamela to Ariel, and it went well. 'Well' meaning, no open warfare, just some hissing and growling, though Pam did take one swipe at Ariel.

I wanted them to stay apart, and putting Pam's food, etc., upstairs made sense because a) she was happier up there and b) she was an abandoned cat who'd been starving, and I didn't want her to have to brave Ariel's wrath in order to come down and eat.

The problem is, I now have an upstairs kitty and a downstairs kitty. Pamela stays upstairs. Ariel still comes up to sleep with me, and to use the litter box (thank god). And the two of them are just fine at such times, walking past each other while studiously pretending the other cat isn't there.

Can anyone tell me if this is a good progression, and whether I should let it run its course to what I hope will be friendship, or at least friendly acquaintence?

Or should I start forcing the issue by carrying Pam downstairs and seeing what happens?
CaseyL | 12.03.04 - 11:09 pm | #

I was asking Philostopher, actually, since her cat had a similar name, so I thought it might be for a similar reason.

Um, not that I have anything against *your* cat - just clarifying the question, so you don't think that's the first thing I ask every cat owner I encounter...
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:10 pm | #

Apparently, in addition to her eponymous sound, Eek also mastered the art of the "silent eek", where she would appear to mouth an eek, but not actually utter anything audible to human ears.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:08 pm | #

I've seen that a few times as well. Very funny.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:10 pm | #

Or, uh, his cat, as the case may be - I generally tend to assume most cat lovers are female, for some reason...
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:11 pm | #

Philostopher,

I know that look. waht a gal.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:11 pm | #

Or, uh, his cat, as the case may be - I generally tend to assume most cat lovers are female, for some reason...

Nah. I know LOTS of guys (including myself and partner) who are cat lovers. I like dogs too, but cats are the best.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:14 pm | #

So how many techs support the place and is your mac guy a "real" mac guy.
(I sure as hell wasn't but I was the first PC guy to give a shit, try and succeed)

Ha! We have one Mac guy and one Windows guy, both contractors, we call 'em in when we're totally screwed. Nobody even taught the Windows people how to do basic maintenance on their boxes, far as I know. Our Mac guy is OK. He told me once he'd be installing my new HD the next morning and it would take awhile -- "Sleep late, but not Darvocet-and-a-bottle-of-wine late, and it should be ready when you get here."

But we have no one who really understands how the whole thing fails to fit together. Hell, I can't even print to the color printer. bitch, bitch, bitch...
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:14 pm | #

Jeez, good luck with that, Casey. My mom adopted a very sick stray and nursed him back to health and... bulk, but he was just too aggressive and macho for Eek and her brother, so she had a whole elaborate system of zones and buffer rooms for the two sets of cats. Probably a disservice to all of them, but better than the alternative.

Needless to say, that's commiseration, not advice.
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:15 pm | #

Eli & Ted: That's the "silent meow" and it's adorable. Ariel does it once in a while.

My sweet old Jazz, who died over the summer, was one of those cats who pushes his paw up against your mouth - a bit of kitty "I love you" which never fails to melt me. Oh, I miss my darlin' Jazzbeau. ('Course, Jazz never learned to control his claws, and that loving gesture sometimes ended with him almost giving me one heck of a set of lip piercings
CaseyL | 12.03.04 - 11:16 pm | #

Yeah, I know, Ted - I'm one too. But culturally, us guys are supposed to love big slobbery hound dogs, and gals are supposed to love cats and little high-strung yippy dogs they can carry around in their purse.

I know it's sacriligeous, but dogs just don't do it for me. I can appreciate some of them, but I really don't know how to interact with them. I like cats' low-key calm and kittens' adorable feebleness - plus they are more pleasing to all my senses. Well, except taste - I really haven't compared them along that scale, nor do I plan to...
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:18 pm | #

Hussein was stockpiling marijuana in Iraq.
Anonymous | 12.03.04 - 11:19 pm | #

Sorry, I went out for an ale.... am doing the "quest" over at my Uni's pub (trying to finish 52 drinks in as much as a short time as I can,,,, 30 more drinks to go and I've only just started this on tuesday! I'm irish, I can do as much as I can!)

Anyway on that website I was commenting on earlier, it's free to register... I wonder if you could use the "Bugmenot.com" email to get in that website.

I feel really lonely with that Dead Zone always ignoring me. I'm really trying!!

I also write articles on Daily Kos and have my own blog but am cautious with revealing those two. I'm glad to know Atrios is an alumni at my sibling's university (Brown MED right this moment, finishing h/is/er 8th year at Brown). Viva on Thayer's quite nice! Kartabar's new but the calamari's nice, I usually beat people at pool at the GSC...

Enough from me... I've had a bit much to drink at this uni. pub in Boston (the founder of DailyKos went here),
Dom Suzanne | 12.03.04 - 11:20 pm | #

Has anyone ever met a cat who tries to stick their nose up one of your nostrils? I *think* it's a sign of affection, and it really is rather cute, but it's... mystifying.
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:20 pm | #

Eli, have you ever seen a book called "The Cathouse"? It's about a pair of total kitty freaks who shared their 1200-sq ft home with up to 11 cats. The entire house was rigged for the cats' delight, with overhead walkways everywhere (even going through the walls) and special built-in box "caves," long carpeted ramps and floor-to-ceiling poles covered in sisal.

The same people have built similar designs for shelters and kitty resorts.

The book even includes a set of plans for those who want to "try this at home, kids!"

It's a kick.
CaseyL | 12.03.04 - 11:23 pm | #

Bush said we need a full and fair accounting of the oil for food program because the american people demand accountability of organizations that their tax dollars support.
Anonymous | 12.03.04 - 11:26 pm | #

CaseyL,

It sounds to me like you have a good thing going. They both have their confort zones and neither cat has run away (happens sometimes Turdly and Ivan come to mind but thats another story).

If they are both indoor cats,(dont remember specifics) you may want distract arial with nip or food and bring pam down to bond with you or just check things out while keeping an eye out for trouble. If they can be in the same room without going after each other, then you really have nothing to worry about.

As long as each of them can count on you, they might not like each other but will get along. Jack and Kitainy still don't like each other (well Jack has the problem in that account to be honest) but they get along.

If they arent killing each other then you are ahead of the curve. I am happy that it has gone as well this far.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:26 pm | #

Nooo, I have not. Sounds good, though. Have you seen the "Why Cats Paint" and "Dancing With Cats" (I think) books?
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:30 pm | #

Silleigh,

wher the hell is this operation, one of the things I did learn was how to get macs to talk to printers.

We will be digging into the system folder and looking for the appropriate ppd files for the printer you want to print to. might need to fire up the finder, dig up some ip adress making sure we are actually connected to the printer through the network.

what is the target printer, seriously.
Email me monday morning and lets get you hooked up.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:33 pm | #

Kent

Me, too! Ariel and Jazz lived together for nearly 14 years and never really liked each other. I'd prefer Ariel and Pam became friends, but am happy that so far neither has been caught with a mouthful of the other one's fur.

(I used to hear Ariel scream "Mom! Mom! He's chasing me!" and I'd run to the rescue and find Jazz sitting on the staircase trying to look innocent, with some grey tabby fluff stuck to his lips.)

Maybe I'll try the nip. Ah, kitty pot parties. One of the funniest sights ever.
CaseyL | 12.03.04 - 11:35 pm | #

Yeah, I know, Ted - I'm one too. But culturally, us guys are supposed to love big slobbery hound dogs, and gals are supposed to love cats and little high-strung yippy dogs they can carry around in their purse.

I think that sorta goes along with many guys' need to have animals that are easy to dominate and intimidate, and animals that are an ad banner for the guy's strength and status. Maybe I'm over-analyzing it with that.

On a funny note: one my cats name is 'Eli'.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:35 pm | #

Apparently the marijuana troll is back. Lovely.
Ted | 12.03.04 - 11:37 pm | #

Eli - Yes, I have! My ex (back when we were still together) brought Why Cats Paint home, and it actually took us a while to figure out it was a goof. They had the artspeak *down,* the Artists Portraits were so deadpan, and the pictures were a riot. (BTW, there really *is* a Museum of Non-Primate Art in Tokyo, mentioned in the book's bibliography.)

I even told our cats that I was going to set them up with easels, canvases and little plates of paint and they could jolly well start earning their keep.

The Dancing with Cats I didn't like as much, maybe because it was more obviously a goof.
CaseyL | 12.03.04 - 11:40 pm | #

The librarian at my grade school named one of her cats after me (yeah, I was up there a lot). I was *very* flattered.

But objectively, it seems like a very strange name for a cat. Hell, I still think it's a strange name for a *person*. But I can't use my middle name, 'cause it's Cadwallader.
Eli | 12.03.04 - 11:42 pm | #

I'm beginning to think I'm the only democrat with a dog....
Anthony White

don't feel alone AW ... i got three dogs and looking for a bull mastiff ... those are like my kids for chrissakes
syntallic | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:42 pm | #

CaseyL

I think that sorta goes along with many guys' need to have animals that are easy to dominate and intimidate, and animals that are an ad banner for the guy's strength and status. Maybe I'm over-analyzing it with that.

Nope.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:46 pm | #

Email me monday morning and lets get you hooked up.

I'm tempted (and it'd be Tuesday mornin', I don't work on Mondays 'less it's from home), but I'm not sure this is a circle of Hell you REALLY want to enter, Kent m'dear. You'd be horrified. We keep stickin' the Fiery in the "choose printer" spot and just nothing happens. Plus I am extremely stoopid when it comes to Macs, so it would be like trying to give a 2nd grader instructions through E-mail. I DO thank you for the generous offer, though!
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:47 pm | #

Oh, I adore dogs, too. (Actually, when you get right down to it, I adore nearly every animal on the planet.) It's just that dogs are so high-maintenance compared to cats.

You know the fabled (and, I think, mythic) "biological clock" women are supposed to have that makes us baby-crazy?

I had a terrible case of the dog-crazies a while back. Did all the bio-clock things: oohed and squealed at every friendly dog I saw, bought books of dog stories, burst out sobbing at really cute/wistful doggy pictures and even dog food commercials. Fortunately, I have many friends who own dogs, and was able to go get my doggy-fix any time I wanted.

Now it's passed. Though I still turn to jelly when handed a puppy.
CaseyL | 12.03.04 - 11:54 pm | #

Gah goh bed.

'Nighty, all. Happy cattin' around!
Silleigh | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:56 pm | #

I'm beginning to think I'm the only democrat with a dog. Anthony White

I have 3 dogs, a great cat and 2 birds. Call me animal lover. And they all love each ot
bigvic | 12.03.04 - 11:56 pm | #

Don't call us, Atrios. We'll call you...
Bean | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:58 pm | #

That would be other.
bigvic | 12.03.04 - 11:58 pm | #

Silleigh,

Honey, you just threw down the gaunlet.
Teusday then. Well, you are going to learn a little more than you intended about computers, but it isn't so scary.

Like I said, I cut my teeth in that shop. Have no fear. If I can talk a guy who had only seen me take the cover off of his computer, through an internal modem installation over the phone, while tuning up a bicyle, send him upstairs to his roomates computer to download drivers and then put them on a floppy and install said drivers and finish the installation, we should
do just fine.

Ill email ya.
kent | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:58 pm | #

Can anyone tell me if this is a good progression, and whether I should let it run its course to what I hope will be friendship, or at least friendly acquaintence?

I wouldn't push it -- let them sort it out on their own terms. You do have to be a little bit careful with two female cats because you can run into dominance problems. My boyfriend's mom had to permanently separate two of her four cats because one of them challenged the other for the dominant position and won.

But a kitty pot party is probably not a bad idea, if you don't force it.

Kent, my tortie's name is Natasha, Tashi for short. The other, male cat is Boris. Got them three years apart, but when I got a female, I couldn't not name her Natasha, could I?
Mnemosyne | Homepage | 12.03.04 - 11:58 pm | #

Mnemosyne - Now you have to get 2 more and call them "Moose" and "Squirrel." And won't that be a hoot when other people hear you calling them
CaseyL | 12.04.04 - 12:01 am | #

Fine looking beasts.

Now is that a John Ashcroft or Woody Harrelson approved rug?

And don't let Fireman Smith see all that spiffy wiring in the background -- oy.

And finally -- Ain't y'all happy to let us see 2 square meters of your life?

Move along,

Fritz
Fritz LeChat | 12.04.04 - 12:06 am | #

Dang,

Was up too late all week and will now miss the late nite posts.

Peace, friends. Will look you up in the A.M.

Nite!
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 12:07 am | #

Dr. Gene Scott has a web page.
Anonymous | 12.04.04 - 12:07 am | #

No! "Dancing with Cats" a goof? Say it isn't so!
Jawbone | 12.04.04 - 12:13 am | #

Mnemosyne,

Sorry I was bing paranoid and was momentarily trapped in space, however I can see no reason that one would have a problem with a house, containing two cats, of the same name.
kent | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:18 am | #

I wonder if George Foreman has any cats, and if they're all named George like his kids.
Eli | 12.04.04 - 12:21 am | #

I'm beginning to think I'm the only democrat with a dog....
Anthony White

I'm a democrat and I have one pet.

A dog.

And not some purebred, but a good solid American Mutt.

She just refuses to be part of my animal blogging.
Attaturk | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:25 am | #

Very late, but I must say the cat video is adorable. Especially the last few seconds where they realize they're being watched.

'night all!
Charlotte Smith (nee Beavers) | 12.04.04 - 12:35 am | #

FF definitely warns you about double-posting. The problem is that you can't refresh after posting, or it will warn you about it, and the only thing you can do is close the window and reopen it, if you want to still use the refresh feature.

You can definitely refresh in FF, by clicking 'OK' with an empty comment field.

IE hasn't been properly updated in years. It feels like it, too. Safari on the Mac (and FF/Camino/OmniWeb: lots of good choices) and FF on Windows/Linux.
pseudonymous in nc | 12.04.04 - 12:54 am | #

It was better than Eyes Wide Shut.

And yes, I'm damning with faint praise.
Jimmy Jazz | 12.04.04 - 4:26 am | #

Eli: Has anyone ever met a cat who tries to stick their nose up one of your nostrils? I *think* it's a sign of affection, and it really is rather cute, but it's... mystifying.

I don't know about the nostril thang, but Curly -- my cat -- likes to gently bite any clothed portion of my body, especially after a good petting. I'm told that's also a sign of cat affection. He's got all kinds of cute quirks, like keeping his mouth partially open anytime he's content (which makes the purring VERY loud -- and he does it on command -- all I have to do is stroke his nose), sticking his tongue out, etc. He loves to drag small objects off of tables, too, like pocket change, papers.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 4:44 am | #

it's not very exciting, but...

Un. der. state. ment.

Cats were like, "check out the freak".
Peter | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 5:06 am | #

Simon says, "Lick your tail!"
EmCott | 12.04.04 - 8:10 am | #

Simon says, "Lick your tail!"
EmCott | 12.04.04 - 8:11 am | #

Stinky - sorry for your loss.

One of my 13 year old littermates died suddenly 3 months ago, and the surviving sister was disconsolate.

3 weeks later (who knew?) a new little cat guy joined the fambly. 5 months old. The surviving sister went from disconsolate to royally pissed off.

CaseyL - I did what you did - kept them separate for a while, then gradually let them get introduced. Lots of hissing, snapping and swatting from the older cat; persistence from the younger one.

Occasionally I now find them curled together in the same cat bed. I've even seen them wash each others' faces. They'll even both sit in my lap at the same time.

Of course at this minute there's a lot of hissing and growling going on courtesy of the old cat. Probably because she was reading what I was writing and is determined to prove me a liar.

who knows?
Melic | 12.04.04 - 10:07 am | #

'Fess up, atrios. You rubbed catnip into that rug, didn't you?
dancinfool | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:12 am | #

Stinky, so sorry about your cat. My cat Moe(20 yrs old) is very ill now. I need to let him go but I can't. We are feeding him baby food meat with a syringe 4 times aday, doing kitty dyalisis twice a day.He doesn't seem to be in pain, sleeps 90% of the time. Would it be wrong to take his dreams away? The vet will come to our house and do it.
Roberta | 12.04.04 - 10:42 am | #

You all are so kind. Thanks for the words of encouragement. I love my Chico, he has been my best friend for many years.

The thing I hate the most, and what I experienced this with Chico's brother, is the daily "death" watch. Is today the day he lets me know he has had enough? Thankfully, he has been doing well. Heck, I didn't even know he was ill until I took him to the vet for his annual check-up. So, I am guessing he and I will be together for awhile longer, and I am grateful for that.

To all of you with sick animal friends, I extend my own sympathy. Love them while you can, and never tire of being a pet butler.

Tracey in AZ
Tracey | 12.04.04 - 11:26 am | #

Roberta - I knew it was time with Jazz when he stopped drinking; and when he stopped looking at anything or anyone, just had this inward blank stare.
CaseyL | 12.04.04 - 11:34 am | #

Excellent unity in the synchronized tail-licking . . .
kc | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:43 am | #

Casey, Thanks for the insight. The many comments in this thread have been comforting. I know Moe is "just a cat" but somehow when you hear other people treat their "just cats" with time, attention and TLC you don't feel so alone.
Roberta | 12.04.04 - 12:56 pm | #

"Just a cat"??? For shame.
Eli | 12.04.04 - 4:49 pm | #

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