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Buenas Dias, todos...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:11 am | #

G'morning, all.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:13 am | #

After mispronouncing Giambi's name the other nite on RNCNN, Anderson Cooper said he didn't know a lot about baseball. Enough said.
Prince O'Peas | 12.04.04 - 9:14 am | #

Today's Arab Rap Selection on MP3 - "Intik"
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:15 am | #

Bob Parry of Consortium has a new piece up today on the foot-dragging of Bushista toadie, Ohio Sec.Of State Blackwell.
In some ways, the United States is witnessing a repeat of Election 2000 where Bush first frustrated Al Gore’s demands for recounts in Florida and then had five Republicans on the U.S. Supreme Court block a recount ordered by the state Supreme Court. Finally, the five Republican justices in Washington required that a reorganized Florida recount be conducted in two hours, a clearly impossible task that handed the presidency to George W. Bush.

Placing national unity as a priority over democracy, the U.S. news media stepped in after Election 2000 to sweep away any lingering doubts about Bush’s legitimacy. The unity message was that the United States needed to put the contentious election in the past, even though Bush was the first popular-vote loser in more than a century to move into the White House.

God I detest these sleazy, lying, cheating mutherfockers...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:18 am | #

Are any of you about to go take a ConLaw exam?

No?

You Suck.
Carpbasman | 12.04.04 - 9:19 am | #

Con law I or II?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 9:20 am | #

Merry Xmas. Another day dawns in the Owernship Society. RNCNN was ballyhooin' this mornin' how sales were down at Wally Whirled on Black Fri. and that Wally Whirled was gonna down trou...OOPS... prices today. But, but, but, I thought according to RNNCNN that the Wally Whirleds were mobbed on Black Friday. Darn libburryool meedeeyah.

Remember to keep christ outta Xmas.
Prince O'Peas | 12.04.04 - 9:21 am | #

Has anybody been following the abstinence-only fiasco?

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/ world/10319471.htm?1c">The San Jose Mercury News reports that Many American youngsters participating in federally funded, abstinence-only programs have been taught over the past three years that abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, and that touching a person's genitals ``can result in pregnancy,'' a congressional staff analysis has found.

Those and other assertions are examples of the ``false, misleading or distorted information'' in the programs' teaching materials, said the analysis released Wednesday, which reviewed the curricula of more than a dozen popular projects aimed at preventing teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease.

In providing nearly $170 million next year to fund groups that teach abstinence only, the Bush administration, with backing from the Republican-led Congress, is investing heavily in a just-say-no strategy for teenagers and sex. But youngsters taking the courses frequently receive medically inaccurate or misleading information, often in direct contradiction to the findings of government scientists, said the report by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, an administration critic who has long argued for comprehensive sex education.

Did I mention that I detest these lying, sleazy, meritricious mutherfockers...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:23 am | #

Melded it into one semester here, so both.
Carpbasman | 12.04.04 - 9:23 am | #

Konopelli-

Between that business about the recount, and the sheer, disgusting racism in the post below, I'm wondering why I got out of bed this morning.

Guess I'll go look in on my daughter. That always improves my attitude.....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:25 am | #

I feel your pain. You have the sovereign immunity mindfuck down, right? I took both last year. Lots of stuff about reach of executive powers (lots of terrorism hypos). Big substantive due process essay. You're going to do fine.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 9:25 am | #

Sorry. Try this one...These destestable, feces-eating, shit-oozing fuckwitz make me physically ill...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:26 am | #

Are any of you about to go take a ConLaw exam?

No?

You Suck.

Been there. Done that. Tried to warn ya.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:27 am | #

I guess we must all fall in line.
The libruls are now in decline.
This world is Chimpy's place.
We're just taking up space.
All hail the Repukelican swine.
Lime Rickey | 12.04.04 - 9:27 am | #

I'm sick to death of what sorts of relation to any sort of governmental interest things must have at this point.
Carpbasman | 12.04.04 - 9:27 am | #

I hear you. Bush will argue that everything he does has a rational basis now. Is the exam all essays? I am taking T&E on Tuesday.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 9:29 am | #

I'm sick to death of what sorts of relation to any sort of governmental interest things must have at this point.

Take a deep breath. Relax. You're only just getting started.

You get used to it. Pretty soon, you won't even miss your old mind.....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:30 am | #

A couple of things that struck me this morning.

Has any major news outlet mentioned the Napalming in Fallujah?

And, David "Bobo" Brooks, is hePulling an Anderson Cooper?
attaturk | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:31 am | #

Robert M. Jeffers: Are you a recovering lawyer?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 9:32 am | #

Are any of you about to go take a ConLaw exam?

No?

Also been there, done that. You'll get over it.
attaturk | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:32 am | #

Basically we covered Standing, Commerce Clause (normal and dormant) and the 1st and the 14th amd with a couple of other things thrown in. The doctrine of intergovernmental immunities might have taken up 10 minutes of class time and may warrant a multiple choice question if I'm so lucky.

Any way, gotta get goin'

Fear and Loathing Ahoy!
Carpbasman | 12.04.04 - 9:33 am | #

Not much baseball in Fire Island.
Ad Absurdum | 12.04.04 - 9:33 am | #

Good luck!
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 9:34 am | #

WHOOOOOOOOOSH!!
Speedy the Sperm | 12.04.04 - 9:35 am | #

Robert M. Jeffers: Are you a recovering lawyer?

Does one ever recover? Graduated 1987, practiced in Texas 5 years (Commercial Litigation, then Family Law), left it for seminary. Still licensed, but inactive.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:35 am | #

Blogger Experts:

How do the colors work in the blogger templates?

Examples:

color:#8dd;
color:#8cc;
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I've never seen colors in this format before and I can't find anything anywhere that explains them.

Can anybody point me to a chart or tool that can help me?
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:35 am | #

RMJ
Yeah, was not that racist fuckwit Samuel Francis' ravings almost beyond belief. And if you think that one's a reeking, feculent pile of crap, tab his noxious, porcine face and read his most recent execrescence devoted to the dangers of permitting Asian immigrants to live among (hmong? sorry) us...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:36 am | #

Conlaw. Racism. Napalm in Fallujah.

Remind me again why the h*ll I come here?

You guys are wrecking my day with all this reality.....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:37 am | #

Yeah, was not that racist fuckwit Samuel Francis' ravings almost beyond belief.

D'you know how many years it took me to wash that stuff out of my brain, having grown up in East Texas (read: 'western' Louisiana)?

No thanks. Ain't goin' back there again. The occasional flashbacks are bad enough.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:39 am | #

Remind me again why the h*ll I come here?

So as not to permit onesself to become complacent in the face of the feces which descend upon those of us who are NOT normally subjected to them???
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:40 am | #

thanks, konopelli.

that, and for the sake of my daughter, and the world she will inherit (has inherited).

time for coffee now....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:41 am | #

At least, these might improve the mood...here are places which still enjoy some democratic freedoms, even if not here, necessarily...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:43 am | #

Robert M. Jeffers: Are you a catholic priest? Read a case the other day about a priest/lawyer who wanted to defend client wearing his clerical collar. State argued prejudice. He argued freedom of religion. He lost. Right to practice religion outweighed by right to fair trial.

No. UCC ("We're in the news! We're in the news!"). Soon to be Episcopalian. Either way I wear a collar. Wouldn't think to wear it in court, though. Oh, I might, if I thought it would help. But I wouldn't be caught dead in court any longer. Been there. Done that. Still have the nightmares.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:44 am | #

And, here's some more Good News for ya, RMJ --- Barry Bonds supposedly, allegedly used steroids.
Prince O'Peas | 12.04.04 - 9:45 am | #

I had a lawyer lady friend one time who told me I'd make a terrible lawyer because I don't despise the law enough...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:46 am | #

Greetings, all.

Liberal -- sounds like a format called Hex 3, where you use 3 digits rather than 6 to define the colors. Blogger has a chart here that shows the ones it says it recognizes; try yours in the HTML and see what happens.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:47 am | #

Just as bad as the misinformation disseminated by these RW fucks, is the inherent sexist propaganda. Men need to be desired, women admired. A prince wouldn't marry a princess who knew too much about slaying dragons and was not hesitant to tell him how to do it. Instead he marries a bubblebrain who knows nothing about nooses, or some such nonsense. Jeesh, I feel like I have been propelled back to the fifties.

One of the booklets handed out in hygiene class told us "girls" that a doctor could tell if you masturbated Christ I was in my twenties before I realized it was a crock of shit. Here we go again.

Sorry for the language so early in the morning.
QuiltLady in NY | 12.04.04 - 9:48 am | #

Thank you, Filkertom - that was exactly what I was looking for!
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:49 am | #

I had a lawyer lady friend one time who told me I'd make a terrible lawyer because I don't despise the law enough...

When I told a friend of mine I was leaving law for seminary, she told me: "I always thought you were too nice a guy to be a lawyer." Ironically, some people thought I was too much a lawyer, after seminary, to be a nice guy.

Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Ah, well....

...where's that coffee?
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 9:49 am | #

I'm not even out of school yet and I am already ambivalent about the law and being a lawyer.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 9:51 am | #

Gawddamnit, Juan Williams is such a fuckin Steppin Fetchit...On NPR (Nice Polite Republicans), saying all the problems for which NAACP/SCLC were established have been solved, but in the next breath saying the same problems exist today, but the organizations don't have a focus...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:51 am | #

RMJ -- I have a friend who had to leave his job at the IRS because they said he was too nice.

Take heart! The world needs more Bob Parrs.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:53 am | #

Konopelli:

So I heard there were just a few thousand demonstrators. Guess the msm made a little oops.
QuiltLady in NY | 12.04.04 - 9:54 am | #

Konopelli -- I have stopped listening to NPR News, and one of the big reasons was Williams. Your blood pressure's not worth it, friend. They're going to lie, and when we call them on it, their shithead of an ombudsman will blame us.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:56 am | #

Every day sinking deeper in shame and outrage. The Italian daily, Repubblica, has images up of Navy Seals torturing Iraqis.

Go to www.repubblica.it.
Click on "Nuove immagini de torture."

Has this hit the US press yet?
nur al cubicle | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:57 am | #

Seriously, I'm about half done with law school and already planning a nice non-legal career.

Is there a market for a hipster attorney?
Zeus M. | 12.04.04 - 9:59 am | #

"...The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."

I want to feed napalm to "the Generals" personally, one small gobbet at a time, and listen while they scream so sweetly...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 9:59 am | #

Here's a swell story, about NY Area Dems supporting Kerik. Of course with a few caveats. HRC gave some applause also.

Could someone please point out that he is unqualified? Huh?
Thersites | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 9:59 am | #

Between that business about the recount, and the sheer, disgusting racism in the post below, I'm wondering why I got out of bed this morning.

Makes you wonder just WHO is living in the alternate universe, us or them. I prefer reality based, myself.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 9:59 am | #

Has this hit the US press yet?
nur al cubicle
If Yahoo counts, then
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:02 am | #

Zeus M. ... I, too, am considering non-legal options. In fact, will be spending the break exploring them.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:02 am | #

>I have stopped listening to NPR News<

Thank Sphere Monk for satellite radio. I flip by NPR once in a while and just laugh when I hear them begging for cash, and my wallet feels a lot fatter.
Chauncy Gardner | 12.04.04 - 10:02 am | #

Liberal -- you're quite welcome. I looked around, but couldn't find any other chart that uses only 3 values, so it's likely trial-and-error time.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:02 am | #

Could someone please point out that he is unqualified? Huh?
Thersites

Oh, you silly boy! What the hell does competence matter in the Bu$h administration? Really.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 10:03 am | #

dAMN YOU KEYBOARD!!!!
That was "Yup"
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:03 am | #

The fiancee and I (she's a law student too) are doing heavy research into doing a visiting third year in a nice, pleasant clime (i.e., not the northeast, which is crushing my soul and whose cold winters are exacerbating a nerve/pain disorder on her part).

/not wanting a Red State lecture right now.
Zeus M. | 12.04.04 - 10:06 am | #

>I have stopped listening to NPR News
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:08 am | #

What the hell does competence matter in the Bu$h administration? Really.
bigvic
S'true: Tis a major wonder to me how the Bushistas manage not only to hire so fucking many incompetents, but also how the fuck-ups get pay raises and promotions...
By the way, 1267
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:08 am | #

filkertom,

I happened to hear a program on NPR on Thurs. about...ombudsmen's roll in the media. I kid you not! NPR's apologist claimed he's hearing a lot of outrage comming from the left these days. DUH! Wonder why.

I stopped giving money to NPR 4 yrs ago.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 10:08 am | #

I looked around, but couldn't find any other chart that uses only 3 values, so it's likely trial-and-error time.

You're right... Most of the values work, some of them don't. It is a big help, regardless.

I found similar data referred to as "triple hex" but no concise chart like that yet.

Thanks again.
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:09 am | #

I hate it when I screw up a tab. Was trying to say I've moved from NPR to Pacifica as I get older. But since one is supposed to grow more conservative as one ages, I must be Merlin, because I seem to be aging in reverse.

Really is time to finish grinding that coffee.....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:10 am | #

not wanting a Red State lecture right now.

we're a nice shade of heliotrope...

UNM has a very creditable law school. It's chilly in winter, but not the bone-shattering cold of the NE. It's sunny, anyway, even if cold sometimes (this am, it's about 25F in Abq)...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:11 am | #

Kono,

That did it (your link. I'm gonna have to get my hans on some strong anti-depressants.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 10:12 am | #

By the way, 1267

How 'bout just keep their jobs? The number is the latest marker in the utter catastrophe unleashed under the control of Rummy. Yet he alone seems have a sinecure in this Administration second only to Cheney's.

Don't ya just love reality? Don't you wish everybody did?
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:12 am | #

Bobo has the hots for Lindsay Graham?

Fabulous!
David Ehrenstein | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:13 am | #

NM. Abq. Have a lawyer friend there. Had some great coffee from NM, too. With pinon nuts in it, or something peculiarly NM. Can't remember now, but it was great stuff.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:14 am | #

"Meet The Fockers"
December 22, 2004

"Meet The Fuckers"
January 20, 2005
Unrepentant Fenian | 12.04.04 - 10:17 am | #

An open letter from WPKN Bridgeport's General Manager Harry Minot -
WPKN is a challenge for the new listener. We've been carefully taught to expect all radio stations to be consistent and predictable, and WPKN is simply not that kind of radio. WPKN's programmers enjoy extraordinary freedoms. They conceive and deliver their programs without interference from funding sources or concerns about popularity. Despite all of the interest in respecting "Diversity", our culture actually has no real interest in that which is regarded as "too obscure." This is nothing new, of course. Money has always called the shots, and that which is commercially successful is worshipped. Noncommercial radio was supposed to stand apart from The Marketplace, but ever since the professional consultants got their claws into it, the trend has been toward more and more of less and less. Finally, the open-minded listener is denied the experience of the unfamiliar.
Sue | 12.04.04 - 10:17 am | #

I support KUNM, an outlaw, community radio station here, for their fine local programming....
I tried to get elected to the radio board last election, so as to try to drag the station away from the toils of NPR. They could drop it completely, without any noticeable effect upon the audience: NPR could easily be replaced by Pacifica...But there's resistance in the management...Nice thing about KUNM, tho, is that the volunteers have a LOT of power (too much, for the NPR maiknstreamers).
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:18 am | #

K, UNM is something we've looked at, we have a decent lead at a firm in Albuquerque.

Also checking out Arizona and the UNLV law school. SoCal, too, but that's 'spensive.
Zeus M. | 12.04.04 - 10:20 am | #

Had some great coffee from NM, too. With pinon nuts in it, or something peculiarly NM.

RMJ: Pinon coffee!!! And there's a chile-flavored beer, around here, too...If ya want, e-mail me yr address, and I'll send ya some of the coffee...beer's a little harder to send
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:21 am | #

RMJ: Here's something to make you shudder. Remember the Rule v. Perpetuities? I finally got it down yesterday. Much blood, sweat, and tears were shed over the damned thing.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:23 am | #

I'm not even out of school yet and I am already ambivalent about the law and being a lawyer.
Res Ipsa Loquitor

I felt the same way halfway through 2nd year.

Graduated in '89, practiced a few years in Va and switched to computer consulting.

Never regretted it.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 10:24 am | #

Speaking of exams, I flunked my CCNA(Cisco Certified Network Associate) exam by a thread. You need at least a B(84.9%) to pass and I got a B-(83.5%). AARRGGHH!!
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:24 am | #

NM. Abq. Have a lawyer friend there.
You've got a (former) professor/(current) handiman friend, there, too...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:24 am | #

How do the colors work in the blogger templates?

Liberal Avenger I put this in your comments as well:

Plain colors:
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Fancy colors that don't allways look the same on all browsers:
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antiphone | 12.04.04 - 10:24 am | #

Watching bushwacked right now on MSNBC talking about his meeting with the Pakistani president - he's speaking in coherent sentences - and I find myself looking for the wire -
Sue | 12.04.04 - 10:24 am | #

Here some news to ruin your weekend and your next four years.

The Associated Press
Updated: 6:30 p.m. ET Dec. 3, 2004
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, whose future has been in doubt amid spreading violence and U.S. deaths in Iraq, was asked by President Bush on Friday to remain at the Pentagon in the administration’s second term, a senior official said.
Unrepentant Fenian | 12.04.04 - 10:25 am | #

Fortunately, living in the Metro Boston area, you get lots of college/alternative radio.
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:25 am | #

"I bring you the stately matron called Christendom, returning bedraggled, besmirched and dishonored from pirate-raids... with her soul
full of meanness, her pocket full of boodle, and her mouth full of pious
hypocrisies. Give her soap and a towel, but hide the looking-glass.

Does the reader believe he knows three men who have actual reasons for
their pattern of Patriotism -- and can furnish them? Let him not examine,
unless he wants to be disappointed. He will likely find that his men got
their Patriotism at the public trough, and had no hand in their preparation themselves..."

--Mark Twain on the US invasion of the Philippines
Philboid Studge | 12.04.04 - 10:26 am | #

RMJ: Here's something to make you shudder. Remember the Rule v. Perpetuities? I finally got it down yesterday. Much blood, sweat, and tears were shed over the damned thing.

Well, of course! It was invented by a law professor!

Used to lug around the 2nd Restatement on Torts myself. Thought if I could learn that damned thing, I could do anything.

Never did, though....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:27 am | #

Thanks, Philboid.

Twain proves everything old is new again.

Unfortunately.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:28 am | #

Oh, and Spinoza was an optimist.

Those who cannot learn from history, are usually the ones in charge.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:29 am | #

Yes, and yet another pro-biz rule. "Land must be brought to its 'highest' use." I am uncharacteristically proud of myself for mastering it though.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:29 am | #

I am not making this up. This is a direct quote from Tommy Thompson at his resignation press conference:

"For the life of me, I cannot understand whu the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do."

Sweet baby Jesus these folks scare me.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 10:30 am | #

I am uncharacteristically proud of myself for mastering it though.

And, in all seriousness, you should be.

Why do you think I went to seminary?
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 10:31 am | #

I remember CommTrans was the least favorite course in the opinion of many. A two semester session of hell, even the "smart" students loathed it.

It's one of the few courses that is just as dry and dense in practice.

I just couldn't abide 40 years of chasing perfected security interests and examining negotiable instruments.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 10:31 am | #

The only worthwhile thing I learned in law school (apologies to Lime Rickey, who could do better in his sleep):

There once was a lawyer named Rex
With a miniscule organ of sex.
When charged with exposure
Rex pled with composure
De minimus non curat lex

I shoulda left after committing that to memory.
SteveLG | 12.04.04 - 10:33 am | #

Twain also wrote updated (ca. 1900) lyrics to Battle Hymn of the Republic, which includes this final refrain:

"In a sordid slime harmonious,
Greed was born in yonder ditch,
With a longing in his bosom -- and for others' goods an itch--
As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich--
Our god is marching on."

Glory, glory hole-a-lulia!
Philboid Studge | 12.04.04 - 10:35 am | #

"Land must be brought to its 'highest' use."

That would mean leaving it the fuck alone, wouldn't it? Since everything we selfishly sentient humans touch turns to shit...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:35 am | #

Not because of 'The Rule', I hope. Because of all the pro-biz rules? My favorite (note) pro-biz rule is the Business Judgment rule, which is responsible, in part, for the crony capitalistic mess in which we now finds ourselves.

I am skiping CommTrans.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:35 am | #

Excellent Twain quotes.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 10:38 am | #

Remember the Rule v. Perpetuities? I finally got it down yesterday.

That great old 'eighties film "Body Heat" (Kathleen Turner... hubba hubba!) is surely the only film in history to use the Rule against Perpetuities as a crucial plot device.
SteveLG | 12.04.04 - 10:38 am | #

Last night I went out with a black beret on my head and riding a bicycle. I defended my beret by wrapping my bicycle chain around a wingnuts head.I am a 55 year old previous member of SDS.On my way home I was jeered by two guys in an SUV.I could not catch them,but I was determined to whack their wind shield with my chain
I would suggest the younger leftists take a more violent attitude or else face being trumped by a vocal and sissified right wing.
notch | 12.04.04 - 10:39 am | #

Yeah, was not that racist fuckwit Samuel Francis' ravings almost beyond belief. And if you think that one's a reeking, feculent pile of crap, tab his noxious, porcine face and read his most recent execrescence devoted to the dangers of permitting Asian immigrants to live among (hmong? sorry) us...
Konopelli

...

Yeah, I read it last night, 'cause a post linking to his photograph had that column underneath it. I posted about it (2:42) with a comment I'd like to repeat here.

That it's not bad enough, all the small-minded nativist crap he spews, but at the end of it all, you've at least gotta be consistent and loyal to those you count as your friends.

This guy is supposed to be a pundit, in his own mind, which implies a minimal knowledge of recent history. Then how could he not know that we went and asked the Hmong's, in the '60's, to concern themselves with a fight that was none of their affair, i.e. to come out of their hills and fight the Vietcong alongside us?

In gratitude, we helped settle many of them here. You know. A little payback to friends of the freedom-loving cause, so we could look ourselves in the mirror afterwards.

But people like Francis have no qualms about forgetting things like that. No consistency. No gratitude. Use 'em up, turn your back.

To wit, he writes (about an local gov't attempt to reach out and explain our customs to Hmong immigrants):

...

Why should we need government bureaucracies to explain our traditions and values to masses of aliens who have no business coming here at all?

...

Doesn't that about say it all? Clip and save and give to any wingnut who comes along to claim we invaded Iraq out of the goodness of our hearts.
fourmorewars | 12.04.04 - 10:40 am | #

Twain was a founding member of the Anti-Imperialist League...Look here...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:41 am | #

During his resignation speech, Tommy Thompson snuck up on the audience and announced "BOO! hahaha!"
jsg | 12.04.04 - 10:42 am | #

notch, what is the significance of a black beret?
jsg | 12.04.04 - 10:45 am | #

I'm worried about those little dark spots on my Cerrios.
Chauncy Gardner | 12.04.04 - 10:45 am | #

SteveLG: I don't remember that about "Body Heat." I will have to rent it. How is it used?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:46 am | #

Cheerios
Chauncy Gardner | 12.04.04 - 10:46 am | #

1267? I wonder if that includes today's action?

Baghdad - 1
Trebil - 2
Kirkik - 1
Baquba - 1

Not counting the Green Zone bombing.
In Trebil, Iraq, on the Jordanian border, insurgents drove a refrigerated truck into a VIP waiting room used by high-ranking US military personnel in transit between the two countries.
nur al cubicle | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:47 am | #

If you'd like to convey your outtrage at the raving fuckwit, Samuel Francis, here's his email:
sam@samfrancis.net
Perhaps a concerted effort would crash the mutherfocker's site???
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 10:47 am | #

Are any of you about to go take a ConLaw exam?

No?

You Suck.

Good luck, Carpbasman. Remember that the answer to every question you don't know is Marbury v. Madison.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 10:47 am | #

Recount Alaska
Alice Marshall | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:48 am | #

Every law school has a "fearsome" professor, shall we say.
Ours was Roger Groot, sort of a 6'3" brushcut ex-Marine Lewis Black character.
During orientation, the upperclassmen invariably warned us about him.

Sure enough, first day of Criminal Law, he calls on me. My answers weren't sufficient. Let's just say he "set the tone" on classroom preparation on me in front of 65 classmates.

I felt like Fred Flintstone getting smaller and smaller.

I've often though that the White House Press corps needed a person like Roger Groot.

Shrub would be microsopic after two minutes.

It turns out, Groot is a great guy and donates much of his valuable time personally defending indigent clients and prevailing.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 10:53 am | #

With the judiciary under attack by the Re-thugs, Marbury v. Madison is looking a little shaky.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:54 am | #

notch, what is the significance of a black beret?
jsg | Email | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 10:45 am | # .....................................Its cold now in the southwest and it covers my ears.A few wingnuts felt I was a soft liberal and made remarks that I was a some kind of commie fag.So I cut one from the herd and gave him a commie fag necklace.This is how we did in the 60's.I am an old man,yet the fire in my belly will shrink the wingnuts balls everytime.
notch | 12.04.04 - 10:54 am | #

After reading the front page article about Tommy Thompson, I have the distinct impression a scathing book on the Shrub admin. is in the works.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 10:55 am | #

Wildebeest: Shrub was rejected from every law school to which he applied. UTAustin wouldn't take him. That's one nice thing you can say about Texas.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 10:56 am | #

bigvic,

The most scathing book out on Bush is the 9/11 Commission Report.
Unrepentant Fenian | 12.04.04 - 10:57 am | #

With the judiciary under attack by the Re-thugs, Marbury v. Madison is looking a little shaky.

Amen. It makes you ponder the absolute irony of the Rehnquist Court undermining it, thereby emasculating much of its own check and balance power.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 10:57 am | #

I finally read that Peter Beinart/TNR
editorial on what the Democrats should
do now.

It actually says that the reason
Kerry lost is that he didn't go
after the French.

I am not making this up.
steve simels | 12.04.04 - 10:58 am | #

notch,

No doubt the wingers were thinking, "Humm, bike, beret...must be some French lovin' liberal fag. Let's git him."

And when did 55 become old?
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 11:01 am | #

Shrub was rejected from every law school to which he applied. UTAustin wouldn't take him. That's one nice thing you can say about Texas.
Res Ipsa Loquitor

That was one string Poppy decided against pulling for Shrub.

Even he knew that idea was a non-starter.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:01 am | #

I remember reading Marbury, realizing that it was shaky, and becoming very frightened. I am ten times as frightened by this now.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:01 am | #

Anyone see the installation of the latest Nazi in the Bush Boy cabinet? I'm speaking of Herr Grupenfuhrer Kerik.

I could even hear Wagner playing in the background.

KILL DA WABBIT!!! KILL DA WABBIT!!!! KILL DA WABBIT!!!
Billy B | 12.04.04 - 11:01 am | #

Aw, I know law's not for everybody, but I love my job. Great pay. Interesting work. Good outlet for those of us with, shall we say, a competitive streak. And, the chance, once in a while, to do some real good. One day early in my career I was sitting in the firm's law library and looked up, realized that I was getting paid to sit in a library and read, and knew I'd died and gone to heaven.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:04 am | #

Good for you, notch. Just don't get in any legal trouble. I once made the mistake of punching out some yay-hoo* at a football game and had to hire a lawyer. I learned not to become part of someone else's bad karma.

2004, Backslider
jsg | 12.04.04 - 11:05 am | #

We are burning people up with Napalm in Iraq.
Cass | 12.04.04 - 11:05 am | #

Don't some of Our Guys and Gals in Uniform wear black berets? And weren't the wingers all bent outta shape a few years back when it was made public that the berets were Made in China?
Prince O'Peas | 12.04.04 - 11:06 am | #

where do i sign up to join that anti imperialist club!
waiting | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:06 am | #

I wonder if the folks at the Harvard Business School beam with pride when they say, "The PRESIDENT is an alum!"

What type of practice, Hecate?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:07 am | #

Between that business about the recount, and the sheer, disgusting racism in the post below, I'm wondering why I got out of bed this morning.

It's Dubya's world - we just die in it!
dave | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:07 am | #

If you are a leftist,take no shit from from the right.Just go violent on them and they will shut the fuck up.They are rhetorical pansies.Take it from someone who knows from years of fighting for civil rights and an end to war.You must be willing to bash someones face to gain respect.This is the way of the world,a world that does not respect progress unless it is presented as an end to violence.
notch | 12.04.04 - 11:07 am | #

Hecate,

I fibbed when I said I never looked back after changing careers.

I'm proud of my law school friends who stuck with it and did a lot of good for people over the years.

Also, most of them are partnered-up by now and living kinda large.

It just wasn't for me.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:07 am | #

My most fearsome law professor at University of Houston was Professor Blakely. He taught Criminal Law to 1st years and Evidence to upperclassmen. He was one of the few professors left (even in the mid-80s) who made students stand to recite. One time, he came in to evaluate our Torts prof, and when the Torts prof called on someone to recite, that person looked nervously at Professor Blakely and then said, "Do you want me to stand?" (The answer was no.)

Professor Blakely wrote the majority of the Texas Rules of Evidence. I got my worst grade in law school (C-) in Evidence--his class. I was so angry I wanted to burn my evidence textbook in front of his office door in one of the ubiquitous metal wastebaskets found around the law school. My friends stole my book so I couldn't do it.

Law school does strange things to people. I think I've recovered.
Deana Holmes | 12.04.04 - 11:11 am | #

Sorry, notch. No can do the violence thing. It's not in my blood. Although I can see myself going off if I or my family were threatened with bodily harm.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 11:11 am | #

Soon to be Episcopalian.

Congrats, and welcome to the wonderful world of Episcopalianism! A few reminders:

* If anyone asks, you don't belong to any organized religion - you're an Episcopalian.

* Real Episcopalians only go to church on Easter and Christmas. Really good Episcopalians skip Easter.

* The patron saint of all Episcopalians is Our Lady of the Extra-Dry Martini.

Enjoy!
dave | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:11 am | #

Wildebeest,

It's definitely not for everyone and you were very smart not to have stayed in the field just because you'd put in the work to get the degree. I know some folks like that and, suffice it to say, they're not very happy or very nice people. Besides, I'm convinced that as we live longer and longer more and more of us will have more than one career. Makes life more interesting.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:12 am | #

I would suggest the younger leftists take a more violent attitude or else face being trumped by a vocal and sissified right wing.

Sadly, I think you're right.
dave | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:12 am | #

Conversation with a like-aged friend last night: Ever feel you're living through the 60's, early 70's again?

The teaching of abstinence based on falsehoods, the abhorrence of facts, the use of Napalm, the aggressive war, the racist right against miscegenation, the false "morality" and stupid censorship, big, clumsy vehicles with no thought of gas conservation.

We both said we never thought we would again live through times like those in our lifetimes.

Came up because I'd read about Sony asking a filmmaker to "PaintBox out" some "wallpaper in the background ofa scene: was wall fresco by a famous Italian (Ren? Baroque?) artist which included naked cherubs (cherubs, ferchissakes), along with some other edits to preserve "moral values." Can't recall where, but was yesterday.

Sheesh.
Jawbone | 12.04.04 - 11:13 am | #

Dear The Thing Speaks for Itself,

I wound up in what I expected to be a rather obscure backwater of regulatory law -- and then Enron happened.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:14 am | #

Has the CEO of Diebold promissed to deliver Iraq to the President come January 30th?
Unrepentant Fenian | 12.04.04 - 11:14 am | #

Brush with greatness I didn't get to post last night:

George Tenet is my neighbor. I guess it's ok to say this, since he's no longer Mr. Director. Never actually saw him, but there are often one or two black SUVs outside his house or a few guys in suits and IDs around their necks standing in his driveway, waiting for him I guess, even after he left. I thought they were CIA, but now I think they are Secret Service.
jsg | 12.04.04 - 11:15 am | #

Slightly OT,

but I'm still worked up over the Sam Francis thing. I sent him an email, and then stumbled upon this -
Laura Dern, Ben Harper Have Baby Girl
http://entertainment.msn.com/cel...spx? news=174936. I wonder what Mr. Francis would say? "Grrr...race-mixin' traitors!"
Scooter Blue | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:15 am | #

TNT is broadcasting the UCC ad right now.
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:16 am | #

You are are up in arms about napalm..... hummmmmmmmmmmm.............

That's old news.....get closer to the front lines to hear the real juicey stuff thats really going on.

regards

.
Moad-Dib | 12.04.04 - 11:16 am | #

I haven't had any truly fearsome professors, but when I took civ pro I was completely overwhelmed. I didn't even know what I was learning. I lived in constant terror of being called on. I made it through my first recitation and then decided to go on the offense by asking a question per class. The idea was to make the professor so sick of me that she wouldn't ask me for another recitation. It worked. It was my worst grade in law school, but I passed and that was enough for me.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:17 am | #

Dave,

Speaking of violence, I take back what I said to Notch. Chimp's face on that button makes me want to punch him right in the nose.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 11:17 am | #

jsg,

I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Unrepentant Fenian | 12.04.04 - 11:17 am | #

Young lady, don't mess with my cock.
You know it's not wearing a jock.
You better knock on wood,
You don't start a childhood.
And don't touch any sticky sock.
Lime Rickey | 12.04.04 - 11:19 am | #

It's definitely not for everyone and you were very smart not to have stayed in the field just because you'd put in the work to get the degree.

Hecate

It took my Depression/WWII parents a while to understand tne strangeness of watching me spend 10 years paying back law school loans with money made in a different career.

Being lifelong Demos, they were supportive throughout, though.

There were a LOT of Repubs at my law school (Washington & Lee), whose parents I KNOW would have disowned them for doing something like that.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:19 am | #

"Congrats, and welcome to the wonderful world of Episcopalianism! A few reminders:" in addition:

Real Episcopalians don't actually read the Bible.

In a competition for best church bazaar food items, the Episcopalians bring the hors d'oeuvres.
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:19 am | #

Some of my favorite heroes have been lawyers: Morris Dees, William Kunstler, Lenny Weinglass, Robert Kennedy, Jr.
The left needs great lawyers who will champion the rights of the powerless.
It's hard work (my husband dropped out after a year)-- but for those who can stay-- we need you.
Favorite lawyer of all time: Atticus Finch.
Rexroth's Daughter | 12.04.04 - 11:20 am | #

Putin calling Weenie a dictator and talking about bombing terraists outside of Russias borders. Hey, pre-emptive war ain't just for US anymore.
coitus bush | 12.04.04 - 11:20 am | #

Heh. CivPro. I could not figure out who Neff was in Pennoyer v. Neff, so I went out and bought Case Notes to figure it out. This was before class had even started, and we'd been warned in orientation not to use these canned notes--a rule I broke over and over and over again!
Deana Holmes | 12.04.04 - 11:22 am | #

In a competition for best church bazaar food items, the Episcopalians bring the hors d'oeuvres

I tried being Episcopalian for a while. The people at the church I attended were all very nice people and they did a lot of good in the local community. Fantastic Strawberry Festival every year.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:23 am | #

Fenian, I still don't know what to think about the guy. He did preside over the destruction of the CIA. But OTOH, my own view is that it was a system that was twisted past the breaking point by Cheney and the neocons. No matter how good or "reformed" an organization is, it can be broken if it is abused. But that slam-dunk comment, if true, goes a long way in forming my opinion of Mr. Director.

I read once that in meetings with Bush, Tenet would discuss baseball. I thought this was a shrewd thing to do. Now I think he probably really was interested in baseball.
jsg | 12.04.04 - 11:24 am | #

Real Episcopalians don't actually read the Bible.

It's really seen more as a list of suggestions than anything else...
dave | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:24 am | #

Favorite lawyer of all time: Atticus Finch.

It's a sin to kill a Mockingbird, ya know.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 11:25 am | #

Those canned notes got me through Con Law I&II. A supreme court justice will never say in 2,000 words what he/she COULD say in 20,000. By second year I had had enough of those 10-page opinions (in 8 point type) sucking up hours of my time. I took the "bottom-line-it-for-me" Case Notes Legal Briefs approach and never looked back.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:25 am | #

we'd been warned in orientation not to use these canned notes--a rule I broke over and over and over again!

Oh yeah! Gilberts got my ass through law school and onto law review. They tell you not to buy them because it will make law school easy and make the law understandable -- two things to which law schools are unalterably opposed.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:25 am | #

Sorry, notch. No can do the violence thing. It's not in my blood. Although I can see myself going off if I or my family were threatened with bodily harm.
bigvic | Email | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:11 am | # ......................................I guess its once again the responsibility of an aging,fat,toothless baby boomer generation of committed leftists to endure the burden so well laid out in these pages.
notch | 12.04.04 - 11:25 am | #

Some of my favorite heroes have been lawyers: Morris Dees, William Kunstler, Lenny Weinglass, Robert Kennedy, Jr.

Speaking of Robert Kennedy, Jr., what's happened to his voice lately?
It sounds as if he's just finished yelling at the top of his lungs at Shrub right before his interviews.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:25 am | #

Pushing the Envelope
Retailers Design Gift Cards to Pack More Presence
By Michael Barbaro
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 4, 2004; Page E01
Blanketing the checkout aisle this holiday season: the guilt-free gift card.
Best Buy is rolling out a card that plays movie previews. Barnes & Noble is pairing one with a set of stone bookends. And the Container Store is offering an entire line of decorative gift-card holders.
From department stores to discounters, retailers are using innovative technology and clever packaging to give gift cards a more giftlike form.

And all over the world, Americans are packaging murder, abuse, torture to look more peaceful, pleasant, patriotic. What a wonderful people we have become.
Hedda | 12.04.04 - 11:26 am | #

Favorite lawyer of all time: Atticus Finch.

It's a sin to kill a Mockingbird, ya know.
bigvic

I read a James Carville book once (We're Right, They're Wrong), where he states that book influenced him greatly.
jsg | 12.04.04 - 11:29 am | #

A friend met RFK Jr. at a benefit about two weeks ago and she said he sounded completely different in person, i.e., that radio funkiness was just not there. He is very inspiring.
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:29 am | #

Episcopal churches tend to have the best music around here but they have the worst thrift shops, for men's clothes at least. Last time I went into one there were some really awful things that looked like some golfer had died. I thought of joining after fleeing the Catholic church but am enjoying free floating for now.

If I wasn't so old I'd go to law school. At my age it would be tempting fate to try anything that long term.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:30 am | #

It's a sin to kill a Mockingbird, ya know.

A question for out Souther friends. Since reading the book I've wondered what a "footwashing Baptist" is.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:32 am | #

"It's really seen more as a list of suggestions than anything else..."

Besides, it's all in the 1927 prayerbook anyway, nice and tidy.

Once had a long, deeply weird discussion with a gung-ho Episcopalian (I know), who somehow had become convinced the religion had no connexion with Henry VIII. Strange. I couldn't think how that bit had slipped past him.
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:32 am | #

On Franken's show recently, Al played a clip of O'Reilly attempting to explain the history of Bay Of Pigs to RFK, Jr.

Fallafel was getting it all balled up with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I was thinking, you imbecile! You're lecturing to this man about his own uncle, not some knee-jerk heehaw.

What a shameless moron.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:33 am | #

And the Container Store is offering an entire line of decorative gift-card holders.

Keep it up, stupid Americans. Because when you get hurt, I WILL laugh at you.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:33 am | #

Hecate--

Aw, I know law's not for everybody, but I love my job. Great pay. Interesting work.

Oddly, the one area I swore I'd never practice in law was the one area I enjoyed: family law. But it also convinced me to leave.

Glad you enjoy your job. I enjoyed particularly tieing an opposing law firm's tail in notes with obscure procedural questions once, when I was a law clerk. Ran 'em in circles for months on an issue of standing. Found the obscure stuff that nobody was sure was right, but it always was.

Made me the theologian I am today.

'Scuse me, now. Not through counting the dancing angels on the head of this pin....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 11:34 am | #

has anyone seen Enraged Water Heater around here?
smarty jones | 12.04.04 - 11:34 am | #

Lime Ricky working blue.
tbone | 12.04.04 - 11:35 am | #

Yes, I heard Franken play that. O'Reilly is just breathtakingly arrogant. Where does he get off lecturing RFK Jr. about the Bay of Pigs. Why the hell does RFK Jr. bother going on there?

Does anyone know if rich progressives are working on OUR cable network?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:35 am | #

Smarty, not lately...Enraged Water Heater has the *best* handle.
Deana Holmes | 12.04.04 - 11:36 am | #

EPT, go anyway. You'll have a ball. Every lawschool class has at least one senior citizen in it and they're usually at the top of the class.

Besides, it's all in the 1927 prayerbook anyway

Actually, it was the lovely English of many Episcopalian writers -- as well as the prayerbook -- that kept me there past the time when I knew I wasn't cut out for it.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 11:36 am | #

EPT,

That's a reference to how humble Jesus was by washing the feet of his Apostles.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 11:36 am | #

Just fucking bash a wingnut,you'll feel better.
notch | 12.04.04 - 11:38 am | #

That's a reference to how humble Jesus was by washing the feet of his Apostles.
bigvic

Oh, that's all? I was hoping for something more picturesque like snake handling or something approaching pentacostalism.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:38 am | #

Notch,

I am not in disagreement with you except for this: know your enemy. The Repugs will do whatever they can get away with; it is the way they are. How are they getting away with it is the operant question. The answer is simple but elusive:it is simply the news media in general. I would suggest we start there. Picket your local news stations with a thousand people demanding they tell the truth. Have examples printed up of their lying and toting the admininstrations water. If a thousand is not enough, get ten thousand. Go to the source of the Repug's power - the complicity of the news. Refuse to buy the local rag. Picket them daily till they begin to tell the truth.

Push them into confrontation, make them arrest someone and then fight it with everything we have till it become the "Scott Peterson" story of the moment.

I see little hope in reforming the system for the system is the way it is: I see hope of spreading sunlight on the nefarious lies of this bunch of cretinous sycophants.
Dances with Donkeys | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:38 am | #

Well, duh!
dave

Pretty good sense of humor too.

... One to call the electrican and one to mix the martinis.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:40 am | #

RMJ: Why did family law convince you to leave?
Res Ipsa Loquitor | 12.04.04 - 11:40 am | #

Wingnuts don't mention
the North Woods hunter's training
Pure U.S. blowback
haiku jimmy | 12.04.04 - 11:41 am | #

Yes, I heard Franken play that. O'Reilly is just breathtakingly arrogant...

Res Ipsa Loquitor

And to think, O'Reilly went to a school of government with JFK's name on the outside, and couldn't even correctly recount two of the most notable incidents in JFK's admin.

This is not the Age of Enlightmentment.

It's the Age of Black Comedy.

It just punches right through irony.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:42 am | #

Hecate, I'll start asking on Monday. Thank you.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:42 am | #

Rehnquist Court undermining it, thereby emasculating much of its own check and balance power.
Wildebeest

Fuckin A, bubba? What makes you think there's anything accidental or inadvertent about it. I met Rehnqquist back in the 70s, when he was a shill and gunsel for Nixon. He was a snide, arrogant prick then and he hasn't mellowed over the years. I have for years now, referred to him as Rehnquisling, because he's a traitor to the Constitution...I hate the mutrherfocker, and I hope he suffers as he rots in plain sight...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 11:43 am | #

Real Episcopalians don't actually read the Bible.

NEver assume any "Xian" does. They make you do that in seminary. It ruins it for most people, who prefer the Sunday School version.

I am quite serious about that, too. No cynicism intended. It was seminary that convincted me in my Christianity, and it was not a "Bible college" by any stretch. But most people get such a watered down, distorted, Sunday school version of the faith...

...well, don't get me started.

But it's like the church is afraid of something, and so keeps pushing it's easiest, most comforting lies....

...I'll stop now.

Once had a long, deeply weird discussion with a gung-ho Episcopalian (I know), who somehow had become convinced the religion had no connexion with Henry VIII. Strange. I couldn't think how that bit had slipped past him.

Haven't reseached this myself, but my Rector insists that's fairly accurate. Don't know how they read the history to get that, but he says it's more complex than usually assumed. Which is true for most history, so, who knows?

Law and religion. How do we always get to talking about these two things, when there's no fresh political outrage du jour?
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 11:45 am | #

Sorry, notch. No can do the violence thing. It's not in my blood. Although I can see myself going off if I or my family were threatened with bodily harm.
bigvic
They are, big guy, they are...it just isn't all that obvious yet...but soon, my friend, they won't be able to hide it...get ready, cuz the time's a comin...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 11:46 am | #

RMJ: 42.
Doug | 12.04.04 - 11:46 am | #

Some Snow Remaining....

The first night of spring
Oh, no not another one
BOOM, Look at... BOOM, me!

It's my magnum opus.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:47 am | #

"Well, duh!"

Nice jewellery in those thrift shops tho - picked up some bits and pieces from someone who'd done her shopping at the Fred Harvey, somewhere around 1920 (you could identify the turquoise and what date the mine had played out). The pieces had been put away as a memento and never worn. Good little travellers, those Pisky Kirk ladies.
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:48 am | #

The poison libs spew surpasses belief.
Our nation's heartland cries out for relief.
So it's quite plain to see,
How lucky are we,
To have such a stalwart Commander-In-Chief.
Lime Ickey | 12.04.04 - 11:49 am | #

DO NOT Support the Troops

A new pamphlet by The Glorious Federation of Fortune 500 Killers.

Their comments on The Nation's "Seminar Cruise" are good, too.
John Q | 12.04.04 - 11:49 am | #

RMJ: Why did family law convince you to leave?

What I enjoyed was helping people. What I was doing, was getting paid to bash on someone else, in the name of helping my client.

Children, especially, were the battlefield. The last straw was when I sat with pictures of what a teenage boy looks like after his father takes a golf club to him in a fit of rage, listening to the father's lawyer on the other end tell me the wife (my client) just wanted the divorce for the money.

My client just wanted out. I was forbidden to tell him what I knew. I had to take the afternoon off after that phone call.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 11:49 am | #

Law and religion. How do we always get to talking about these two things, when there's no fresh political outrage du jour?

De nos jours, l'outrage ne cesse jamais.
Nevermore | 12.04.04 - 11:49 am | #

Ya know,Dances,I agree with everything you say in normal times,with normal people.This is not that time.Just make sure you dont get caught when you bash a wingnut.Im supposed to be looking toward a quiet retirement,yet I feel a need to be active,vigorous,and violent toward those who would judge me as some sort of traitor.I believed this when I was a young man and I believe it as an old fart.I have twice the soul of any wingnut,half the strength,and I will prevail.
notch | 12.04.04 - 11:50 am | #

RMJ: 42.

a/k/a Mulder's apt. no.

Yup. It's all you need to know....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 11:50 am | #

Real espiscopalians don't do much of anything.
joe b | 12.04.04 - 11:52 am | #

Someone having a bad day?
joe b | 12.04.04 - 11:52 am | #

GWPDA:
My grannie on dad's side was a Guide for the Harvey Pueblo Tours from la Fonda Hotel in Santa Fe in the 20s. She 'acquired' a TON of stuff, much of which was stolen from her (and us) by 'friends' who looked in on her in her dotage...There's still some of it left, mainly jewelry, much of it museum quality...I inherited a first-period belt, which I wear to Indian Market and (sometimes) to Fiestas...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 11:53 am | #

Id like to add that I could have easily twisted the little fuckers neck into the emergency room,but the fear on his face was enough for me to release him.Such is the burden of leftist compassion.
notch | 12.04.04 - 11:55 am | #

Christmas ornament of the day.

Happy Holly-Daze!
dave | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:55 am | #

RMJ,

42 is the answer derived from the best computer every assembled. (in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams) The response was to the one question it could answer before it self-destructed. The question was, "What is the meaning of life?"
Dances with Donkeys | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:55 am | #

I have for years now, referred to him as Rehnquisling, because he's a traitor to the Constitution...I hate the mutrherfocker, and I hope he suffers as he rots in plain sight...

Hasn't he done enough damage to the solemnity of the Court by prancing around in that gold llame striped party gown of his?

WTF?!
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 11:56 am | #

Darn, you people are smart.

***sarcasm on***
Didn't you get the memo? Intelligence is frowned upon. You better watch your backs.
***sarcasm off***

Tracey in AZ
Tracey | 12.04.04 - 11:57 am | #

Oh, dave. You're tempting me to break my no-buy for Christmas pledge. It's the reason I haven't been to Betty Bowers since the beginning of Advent too.
EPT | 12.04.04 - 11:57 am | #

42 is the answer derived from the best computer every assembled. (in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams) The response was to the one question it could answer before it self-destructed. The question was, "What is the meaning of life?"

Yeah, Deep Thought. Was always partial to Marvin, myself (was that his name?) The robot with a brain the size of a planet, which kept him perpetually distressed because of all he knew.

But that's why I said "it's all you need to know."

In my saner moments, I'm convinced "42" is the meaning of life.
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 11:58 am | #

Res Ipsa, in re "Body Heat":

I was afraid someone would ask me the particulars.

Actually, its use (and misuse) is discussed in some detail by Michael Asimow of UCLA Law School (which also includes a cite to an article in the Oklahoma City University Law Review, entitled "If God Wanted Lawyers to Fly, She would Have Given Them Wings: Life, Luse and Legal Ethics in 'Body Heat.'").

So I'll refer you there. It's actually kind of a fun article, in a law geek (or film geek) sort of way.
SteveLG | 12.04.04 - 11:58 am | #

John Q -
I found the links humorous, but a little too "cut-off-the-nose-to-spite-the-face" for my taste. The Nation is one of the best publications out there. And if you actually read the magazine (as I have for some time), they really weren't enthusiastic about Kerry. Sounds like angry college kids (not that I'm very much older) venting.

Check out my blog for a link about a massive Army Guard callup in the Pittsburgh area!
Scooter Blue | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:58 am | #

RMJ - the standard on the matter is JJ Scarisbrick, Henry VIII. AF Pollard's Thomas Cranmer and Wolsey still have much to offer as well. And it's always fun to read into the implications of Erasmus' tutelage and friendship with Katerina d'Aragon. Complicated, yes. Complex? Not so much.

Off to the thrift store grand opening!
GWPDA | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 11:58 am | #

Notch,

There is a difference between feeling good an affecting change. The other day I was offered a seminar in the middle of January. I refused. The thing would have been at some Bible-thumping church in Grand Rapids and I refuse to further the intermixing of church and state and I am simply not going to spend my time and money in a place that supports that asshole in the People's house.

But if you want to have change, you must attack at the weakest point. The news media is complacent only because their cooperation elicits positive responses from the powers that be and not much negative (if any) from anyone else. If we can convince them that the path of least resistence is in supporting the wishes of the people and to begin being truthful (Which this poor sad souls thing of themselves as being anyway) I believe that change is possible. Bashing a Bushite, while satisfying, is not much better than masturbating for procreation.
Dances with Donkeys | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:00 pm | #

Hasn't he done enough damage to the solemnity of the Court by prancing around in that gold llame striped party gown of his?

It's those Blahniks under the robe that take the cake!
Manolo | 12.04.04 - 12:00 pm | #

Good morning, moonbats. So what are you pseudo-Americans whining about today?
Avestus | 12.04.04 - 12:02 pm | #

RMJ: Why did family law convince you to leave?

I don't know about Robert M. Jeffers, but I've done some pro bono family law work and, I'll tell you, you've never seen bitter antagonists who will literally cut off their own nose to spite their face until you've done family law. Businessmen fighting over billions of dollars? Very nice and polite, everyone understands that there's a point of diminishing returns where you'll lose money on legal fees if you just keep fighting forever. Write a check, try to make it win/win for everybody and get back to the business of making money. Divorce? I've seen people so livid over a black and white tv that they'll spend thousands of dollars of legal fees just to keep the other spouse from having it. It takes a strong constitution to do family law.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 12:03 pm | #

one thing i always thought was cool growing up in episcopal church was the idea that we had three ministers all addressed by different monikers:
reverend,father and mister. my dad explained it was their choice and i really dug the freedom.
waiting | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:03 pm | #

I've seen people so livid over a black and white tv that they'll spend thousands of dollars of legal fees just to keep the other spouse from having it. It takes a strong constitution to do family law.

Hecate

It's incredible. I was once appointed to protect a third party injury award in trust to an injured child.

I thought the parents were actually going to try to kick my ass to get at the money.

I was thoroughly disgusted.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:06 pm | #

Scooter Blue-

Thanks.

Someday the P-G will grow up and be a real newspaper.

.
spork_incident | 12.04.04 - 12:06 pm | #

I don't know about Robert M. Jeffers, but I've done some pro bono family law work and, I'll tell you, you've never seen bitter antagonists who will literally cut off their own nose to spite their face until you've done family law.

Yep. All the horror stories you've heard are true. But for truly weird and procedurally complicated, this was my favorite.

Mom & Dad have two kids, and are locked in a slow moving divorce. Mom & Dad have separated, and Mom has a boyfriend (which offends Dad's sensibilities no end, largely because they are "living in sin.") Now, Mom gets pregnant, while still "married" to Dad.

In divorce, you have to settle the issue of child support/responsibility, etc. This presented a kind of "reverse paternity" situation, since Dad and Mom agreed the child in utero was not Dad's child. Boyfriend even wanted to be "daddy" to this child. But the law presumed that a child born in wedlock is the child of the father (for rather obvious reasons; we always know who mom is, at birth; but dad?)

We spent no small amount of time trying to figure out precisely how to approach the court procedurally to annul Dad's "parental rights" and get them to attach to boyfriend (who wasn't a party to the action, and would have to adopt the child at some point to make it legitimately (at law, that is), his).

In fact, I left before that was unwound, though I'm sure it finally was (I'd just love to know how!).
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.04.04 - 12:08 pm | #

42? I thought you were all talking about the number of votes that separate Rossi and Gregoire in the governor's race in my state of Washington. I suppose for those two, it must represents the meaning of life right now. For me, not so much.
Rexroth's Daughter | 12.04.04 - 12:08 pm | #

Dances with Donkeys

time for the daily reminder?

All together now:

In the Corporate State, the corporate media are the State Media...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:08 pm | #

Lime Ickey's appalled at this forum
He urges more verbal decorum
'Please keep your words calm
While we drop our napalm'
The neocons' actions speak for 'em
fourmorewars | 12.04.04 - 12:09 pm | #

"If God Wanted Lawyers to Fly, She would Have Given Them Wings: Life, Luse and Legal Ethics in 'Body Heat.'"

That's "Lust" if you hadn't guessed.

The Asimow article is entitled simply: "Estate Planning and Body Heat" a cognitive dissonance if ever there was one.
SteveLG | 12.04.04 - 12:10 pm | #

With all this lawyer comment, will add my two cents. I have several lawyers in the family, prosecutors and civil and defense. Do not neglect the prosecutorial side. Maybe in big cities its all about ambition, but remember the prosecutors are on the side of justice when they do it right and they get the bad guys off the streets. The way some people refer to them they are slime, throwing totally innocent people in jail. Check out some of the victims of crime and get a different pov. Also, don't neglect business law because its all crooked cuz then you're giving it all away to ambitious repugs. We need decent moral people in business but they are all getting chased away by the dishonesty of it all.

Lime Rickey, kudos!
boz scaggs | 12.04.04 - 12:10 pm | #

"one thing i always thought was cool growing up in episcopal church was the idea that we had three ministers all addressed by different monikers:
reverend,father and mister. my dad explained it was their choice and i really dug the freedom."

What I thought was cool growing up in the Catholic Church was that after my dad's parents died, we just quit going. I REALLY dug that freedom.
tbone | 12.04.04 - 12:10 pm | #

Good afternoon, Avestus!

Hope you slept well. Is that a Serta Perfect Sleeper you have in that coffin?

We've all been standing around wringing our hands wondering when you would show up.

OK, gang. The show can go on now!
Gonna Ralph | 12.04.04 - 12:11 pm | #

Dances,I am your brother in thought,but in the future I shall not defend my politics with rhetoric.I dont think I will be on this blog or the internet for long.My politics have become personal and rabid.I am commited to secular humanism and diversity.I do not expect those with children to follow any non-conformist activity.I will continue to be myself and hurt those who judge me too quickly.A muscular left wing is the death of conservatism.
notch | 12.04.04 - 12:14 pm | #

.A muscular left wing is the death of conservatism.
notch

I'm with you brother. I'm near 60, childless, and angry, so angry, so angry...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:16 pm | #

A muscular left wing is the death of conservatism

notch,

I sadly agree with you.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 12:16 pm | #

Konopelli,

And? Of course what you say is true, but I am suggesting working at the weakest link in the chain. Local news. (And if that isn't weak - I do not understand much. Our local newspeople together could not even top 100 in IQ)

You can get mad. You can picket CBS/FOX/NBC/ESPNABC/TIMEWARNER till you are blue in the face and never have a chance of making an impact. Try your local I-Witless news and see if you can elicit a response. At the very least they will seek a restraining order after a bit. Fight it. Get civil liberty lawyers to fight like hell. Make it a cause celebre'.

But lying back and crying woe is me and having fantasies about storming the government is useless and pointless. If you would seek change, you must accept change within yourself.

(I am so disheartened that I have begun making enquiries about teaching in the UK and other venues because people will not fight for what they believe in. I am offering a method, and you would criticize because it is not enough. Well, "If you say you want a revolution, well you know, we'd love to see the plan."
Dances with Donkeys | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:18 pm | #

A muscular left wing is the death of conservatism

notch,

The message of hope gets crushed in this mad rush, scorched earth, winner take all political environment.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:18 pm | #

bigvic sez..."For the life of me, I cannot understand whu the terrorists have not attacked our food supply because it is so easy to do."

Tally Ho, Mate! Thar ye be! Ye hit the ole nail right upon de head!

What's more scarier?...an undiscovered plot by terrorist to maim and kill or the Government announcing to the terrorist groups where we are most vunerable for an attack?

It's the magic campaign slogan that got the Republican's elected this time around. Keep the populace in a perpetual state of anixeity and their vote with their fear of the boogie-man in their hearts.

By the way....get a copy of the Stars and Stripes, overseas adition, and read the comments from the troops in the field...really makes one wonder if the mid-east debacle is a war on terrorism or a crusade for Christianity. ANd you might also glean an insight to the mind-set of the troops...it's really alarming to hear what's on their minds and the twist in their logic as to what is right and what is wrong.

regards

.
Moad-Dib | 12.04.04 - 12:19 pm | #

Mommy, Mr. Notch is scaring me...
Yikes | 12.04.04 - 12:20 pm | #

tbone, your comment about freedom was priceless.

Tracey in AZ
Tracey | 12.04.04 - 12:22 pm | #

Konopelli,

You sound like you might enjoy Bartcop.com
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:22 pm | #

Hello Springfield!!Are you ready to rock??!!!!!

(crowd roars)

Then please welcome, straight from the bowels of Heck itself....

SHRIEKING MOONBATS!!!

(crowd goes wild, some faint)
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:22 pm | #

Moad-Dib,

Can you give us a hint about what the troops are writing?
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 12:24 pm | #

Good points Moad-Dib, but here are some important update that we need to consider before we make-up our minds and go off half-cocked.
Echilles | 12.04.04 - 12:24 pm | #

You sound like you might enjoy Bartcop.com
Wildebeest

Been there. Got banned...went back...got banned again...for not being placid enough, i guess. I've been 86'd from just about every progressive site on the web, including this one...for being perhaps a tad too forthright...go figger, hunh?
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:25 pm | #

Thanks for the Memories.

http://free.freespeech.org/ameri.../ TrangBang.html
Cass | 12.04.04 - 12:26 pm | #

moad-dib- thanx for comments regarding doofus thompson. i need some perspective on this stuff cos i don't have access to other adults thinking. i read that line and put paper down in disgust and fear. now it makes sense.
waiting | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:26 pm | #

Look what HHS and Tommy are supporting now!
Helcatios | 12.04.04 - 12:26 pm | #

I was up late watching an old re-run of O'Reilly, trying to master the smug arrogance of total ignorance. I was wearing latex.
Avestus | 12.04.04 - 12:26 pm | #

Wildebeest:
Adendum...
The real problem is that i do not restricte my ire or my venom to the easy targets; I also accost the Dumbocraps (so called for their propensity to carry water for and sweep up the shit of the GOPachyderms...); it was that particular phrase which got me banished at both bartcop and DU...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:28 pm | #

Well, I guess free speech becomes just very cheap speech if everyone has to sing the same tune.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:30 pm | #

Mommy, Mr. Notch is scaring me...
Yikes | Email | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:20 pm.............................................Wel l Yikes,you have just invited me to bloody the face of a wingnut.It doesnt matter that it wont be you.Welcome to the new left.
notch | 12.04.04 - 12:30 pm | #

would agree in that WI only turns republican if Thompson runs and ND only trurns if Schaffer runs (assuming Conrad isn't retiring)
But to me the others are locks-
MN- Rep. Mark Kennedy
FL- with Katherine Harris
MD- with retirement of Sarbanes and their Lt. Gov. who already won state wide and Erlich proved you can win a state wide race
MI- with Spence Abraham
Nebraska I have no clue now that Johans is in the cabnet.
VT- with their Gov. because I understand Jeffords won't retire and due to promises won't have to deal with a democrat running against him.
I am convinced unless the dems throw up a lousy candidate he is toast because after Toomey his base just won't turn out.
d | 12.04.04 - 12:31 pm | #

while many of the comments here about HHS and Tommy are spot-on, you really need see how these characters have taken the public for a ride in the past to understand what is unfolding. Check out this link for more important information about the whole mess.
NYMary | 12.04.04 - 12:33 pm | #

Notch:
I like it, I like it:

Lead with your (New) left...jab, jab, hook, cross, jab jab jab...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:33 pm | #

BlakNo1 sez:

SHRIEKING MOONBATS!!!

The Shrieking Moonbats of Eschaton!!!

I like.

Shouldn't we have a softball team?

.
spork_incident | 12.04.04 - 12:34 pm | #

For some reason, neither Helcatios' nor NYMary's links link to anything, at least on my system...is it just me?
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:35 pm | #

Konopelli; Isn't bartcop himself a little gonzo on the democrats?
gonzo | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:35 pm | #

Kono,

All I got was "about blank"
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 12:37 pm | #

Konopelli; Isn't bartcop himself a little gonzo on the democrats?

gonzo

He railed all summer on John Kerry's preference to absorb punishment without retaliation.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:38 pm | #

Family law: I've seen people with three kids and a couple sticks of furniture fight more over the TV and the ratty couch...and the kids? An afterthought. "Let the other one have them."
Deana Holmes | 12.04.04 - 12:38 pm | #

Konopelli; Isn't bartcop himself a little gonzo on the democrats?
gonzo

gonzo...I dunno...I just know i been banned there twice, apparently for disloyalty...and cannot go back (i suppose if i could change my ipa...but wtf??? like it really matters? I am also persona non grata at Slate, in all my avatars...
It's almost a point of honor, anymore.
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:39 pm | #

NYMary,

Your link either doesn't work or I'm having cookie *issues*.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 12:40 pm | #

Looks like they've really opened up the "Talent" portion of the competition:

"Miss Peru wins world beauty title

Miss Peru, Maria Julia Mantilla Garcia, has been crowned Miss World 2004 at a glittering event held in China.

Miss Dominican Republic Claudia Julissa Cruz Rodriguez was runner-up, and Miss USA Nancy Randall came third.

Miss Peru beat off 106 contestants to take the crown from 2003 winner, Miss Ireland, Rosanna Davison, the daughter of singer Chris de Burgh."
Keep America Perverse | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:42 pm | #

He railed all summer on John Kerry's preference to absorb punishment without retaliation.
Wildebeest

Couldn't say. I've been banned there for nearly two years. I suppose I was a bit strident in my criticism of the DLC (especially Lie-berman) in those days, before they had apparently betrayed enough of the progressive agenda to have been finally recognized as the feculent shit-weasels they are...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:43 pm | #

Welcome to the new left.
notch | Email | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:30 pm | #

Sadly, that's the old left. There is no new left. The kids today seem more right leaning than ever before.
stoo | 12.04.04 - 12:43 pm | #

Thanks for your support,Konopelli.Im not suggesting some sort of violent demonstration so easily trashed by the mainstream media as anarchism,but rather a personal violence against those who would trash us as girie boys,unamerican,Unpatriotic,etc. etc.Its satisfying and when word gets to the alphabet tv,the wingnuts will be ones discussing the subject,not us.
notch | 12.04.04 - 12:45 pm | #

bigvic...tis the same cookie issues we both are having, then, cuz that's the same page i get when i tab those links...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:46 pm | #

Gotta love the Moad Dib tag.

Pulled out Dune last night for my eight year old son, about seven years too early.

Paul Muad'Dib Atreides

Pedant Man says Muad'Dib means mouse or soemthing, Moon mouse in the Dune legend.

Paul's B.A. (bigass) worm riding legions cried out "Muad'Dib" to power up and fire their mind lantern
things that put a smoting on the bad fellas.

I called my old freind Muad'Dib for awhile, only becuase his wife called him mouse

Sorry to go O.T. on ya.

Roberge I
Chub LePiew-aka Pure Evil I | 12.04.04 - 12:46 pm | #

Miss Peru beat off 106 contestants

In a row?
BlakNo1 | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:47 pm | #

Couldn't say. I've been banned there for nearly two years. I suppose I was a bit strident in my criticism of the DLC (especially Lie-berman) in those days, before they had apparently betrayed enough of the progressive agenda to have been finally recognized as the feculent shit-weasels they are...
Konopelli

I think they're all part of the Powers That Be agenda. That's not anti-semetic either including all the democrats. The Bush Family Evil Empire is part of it and they're not Jewish. The dumbass fundies are just the current rubes du jour they're using in order to stay in power.
Incognito | 12.04.04 - 12:48 pm | #

nothc, i concur...it is one on one that works for me...I make it a point to discuss politics in a not-quiet voice when out with friends, esentially daring anyone to try to stop me. (Me: albeit pushing 60, still i have workingman's hands, wide shoulders, a (relatively) narrow waist, a crushing grip, dangerous blue eyes, and usually sufficient size to prevent the thugs and GOP cum-munkeys from trying anything...)
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 12:49 pm | #

Jeezahz!

Am I the only non-legal/Business Exec type here?

I hail from the good ole days of SAC...Peace was Our Profession...War was just our Hobby.

Odd thing is that in times of Peace I can find ample work in the Techie field, but when War breaks out, I loose my employability in the civilan workforce. And for some strange reason, I get a call outta nowhere from someone I haven't heard from in years that's "aware" I'm on the lamm and need some "work" to hold me over until "things pick up". I really can smell the napalm in the morning air sometimes.

On the flip-side, what's interesting is to listen to the "news" American's are fed and really "seeing" the truth. For instance, the dollar to Euro rate is said the be a boon for US manufactures to sell American products abroad....too bad they neglect to mention that Europe in in a deep recession and can't afford to buy the cheaper American-made products.

I'm still waiting to hear a sound plan of attack for the Democrats to take our country back from the Republicans...the rest of the world is waiting to hear something positive too. Satelite dipping under the horizon...gonna loose my link.

regards

.
Moad-Dib | 12.04.04 - 12:52 pm | #

He railed all summer on John Kerry's preference to absorb punishment without retaliation.
Wildebeest

Well, he was right. Kerry never responded to the Swift Liars. If I was Kerry I would have spoken loudly that Bush was behind it and called Bush a coward for ducking service.
Incognito | 12.04.04 - 12:53 pm | #

I thought the parents were actually going to try to kick my ass to get at the money.
Wildebeest

You mean like this>

(Lawyer shot repeatedly as he hides behind tree.)
jsg | 12.04.04 - 12:53 pm | #

Keep America Perverse sez:

Miss Peru beat off 106 contestants

Is there a video of this?

.
spork_incident | 12.04.04 - 12:53 pm | #

Miss Peru beat off 106 contestants

In a row?

She's an old hand at it.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 12:54 pm | #

Me: albeit pushing 60 ...

-Konopelli

They say 60 is the new 40.

Although I'm 44 and I feel 65.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:56 pm | #

In a row?
BlakNo1

Is there a video of this?
spork_incident

She's an old hand at it.
bigvic

Oh yeah, that's the stuff.
Keep America Perverse | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:57 pm | #

Miss Peru beat off 106 contestants

In a row?

She's an old hand at it.
bigvic

I've tried my hand at sex...
jsg | 12.04.04 - 12:58 pm | #

I've been banned off a right-leaning bb I post on, but have managed to stay clean at Bartcop, though it's been awhile. I've actually found bartcop and atrios to be pretty much in agreement most of the time.

http://www.baltimoresun2.com/tal...isplay.php? f=14

If you go there, watch where you step. 'Little troll-turds everywhere.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 12:58 pm | #

Dress code for Democratic Protests-

men- blue blazers, chinos, loafers-
preferably old Brooks Brothers

women- fair isle sweater over pencil skirt and white blouse. shoes-Espadrilles.

kids- pink for the lassinas, blue for the lads

there's nothing that pisses the enemy off more effectively than showing up in thier uniforms!

the espadrilles may be dates, but I found them quite sexy.
Mid-life Anakin aka Grinchy | 12.04.04 - 12:58 pm | #

Lawyer shot repeatedly as he hides behind tree.

jsg

The lawyer was tring to persuade the gunman that it was really a Redwood he was hiding behind.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 12:58 pm | #

Konopelli,Im 55-Brooklyn born,Brooklyn bred,and the single most devastating weapon in any arsenal is the sucker punch.But I think the thing that drove me over the line ofcivility was the statement by some wingnut senator that the courts have no armed forces,and are therefore not relevant.I cant get that out of my mind.
notch | 12.04.04 - 12:58 pm | #

...I make it a point to discuss politics in a not-quiet voice when out with friends, esentially daring anyone to try to stop me

You sound a lot like my son. Especially if he hears someone say somthing derisive about liberals. All of a sudden, his conversation notches up on the noise level and the subject becomes politics and he basically dares anyone to do anything about it. Cute kid.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 12:59 pm | #

Konopelli and Notch,

You guys should start a "Fight Club". Heh. Ever see that movie or read the book? Truely bizzare.
bigvic | 12.04.04 - 12:59 pm | #

Kono, you really are giving weasels a bad rap.

As for family law, judging by the things I see at the courthouse, the most fucked are the Juvenile hearings with Domestic close behind. Our so-called justice system really, truly is bent. I have to leave the courthouse due to my wife's having found a job in Arizona after 13 months of layoff and I won't be sorry not to have to see 10-year-olds in handcuffs on a frequent basis.
Downbound | 12.04.04 - 1:02 pm | #

"And, here's some more Good News for ya, RMJ --- Barry Bonds supposedly, allegedly used steroids."

It wouldn't surprise if Bonds and Giambi, among other ballplayers, used steriods. You can thank George Win-at-all-costs Steinbrenner for that. Gawd I hate the Yankees. So glad the Sox humiliated them.

Although I'm certainly against steriod use, I really don't think its a good idea for the federal government to get involved, as Sen. McCain is threatening: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6648323/
Not sure why exactly, but I'm just a bit uncomfortable with the precedent that would be set.
Better Dead Than Red | 12.04.04 - 1:02 pm | #

Here's what I've been working on:

The debt ownership society

The ownership of debt society

Or maybe just:

The only thing we own is debt
lydia | 12.04.04 - 1:02 pm | #

60 is the new 40...

Don't I fuckin wish...I ache in places, and for reasons, which i never experienced before...like, when I bend for too long sideways, i develop this incredible, almost incapacitating stitch in my side...also, i seem to have become afflicted with sciatica, mostly on the right side, but sometimes on the left too...a friend just died this week at age 51, of liver cancer... it's a bitch, but life's just short...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 1:02 pm | #

"> Maglalang strikes back!
The Kenosha Kid | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 1:03 pm | #

kono; Keep swingin', man. I'm 53 and recovering from a blown out disc. After three years of going downhill, I'm getting stronger and lighter again. I'm wondering just how far I can push it.
Life IS short.
Play hard.
Eat well.
Less work.
More love.
I want to make it to 100, just to outlive my tormentors.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 1:07 pm | #

Aw, you guys hurt Michelle's feelings. That was really mean.
Hecate | 12.04.04 - 1:07 pm | #

Gotdam lawyers have hijacked this thread.
Actually, I think it's a good thing liberals are involved in the profession. I've had a ringside seat into "no conflict, anytime" politcally connected rat bastard repugs attorneys attempting to pull off billion dollar land grab on the backs of taxpayers from the municipal to federal level

Maybe you should pick josh's brain for the con law quiz. He's not "doctinare" about civil liberty abuses post 9/11. Oh not torture. Says he's against that in defending himself against "surprising" reaction. Doesn't say just what infringements he's flexible on.
I imagine him and Kevin Drum are right now dealing away the Bill or Rights like baseball cards.
stencil | 12.04.04 - 1:07 pm | #

"Maglalang is a beautiful Filipino name" quotha...one wonders why she eschews it, then?
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 1:07 pm | #

Re; Maglalang fights back.

I still maintain she was here last night posting as "ben had".
gonzo | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 1:08 pm | #

Sciatica is a real bitch. I, too, have it on the right side. I've done about 14000 miles of driving in the last three months and I'm paying for it big time. And the right side is the accelerator side when you're driving. Have to use a cane to hobble around right now. Sucks...
Downbound | 12.04.04 - 1:08 pm | #

When I was around 50 some young turk was pestering me until I told him I have about 20 seconds of air in me to kill him.He stopped pestering me.
notch | 12.04.04 - 1:10 pm | #

As for my legal name, I just never bothered to submit the bureaucratic paperwork required to change it. Simple as that.

- Missile Malkin Mary Magdalene

She's right.
Let's rid our lives of legal inefficiencies with mindless bureaucracies like the Constituion.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 1:10 pm | #

Re: Sciatica:

Take your wallet out of your hip pocket, out of your hip pocket altogether. Carry it in a jacket pocket, or a shirt pocket...i've been told that the sciatica come from unbalancing your hips, sitting on two and a half inches of plastic for 30years...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 1:12 pm | #

Type.
faster.
than.
conjugate.

Not be want that.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 1:13 pm | #

oh, and cruise control's essential for long road trips...
Konopelli | 12.04.04 - 1:13 pm | #

Guyz; Get that sciatica looked into.
The sciatic nerve is getting pinched by the vertabrae. As we age, the discs thin out. The nerve runs out of the spinal cord between vertibrae.
LISTEN: After the pain comes paralysis of the upper leg muscles one by one. I lost them all temporarily). THE NEXT NERVE THE VERTABRAE COME INTO CONTACT WITH CONTROLS YOUR ABILITY TO HOLD BACK PEE AND POOP. YOU START TO LEAK. IT SUCKS. DON'T GO THERE.
Get to a neurosurgeon for a consult.
Therapy and drugs take care of it most of the time.
I'm not kidding.
Get it checked out.
Or lay in some Depends.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 1:14 pm | #

THE NEXT NERVE THE VERTABRAE COME INTO CONTACT WITH CONTROLS YOUR ABILITY TO HOLD BACK PEE AND POOP. YOU START TO LEAK.

gonzo

At last, someone has uncovered the secret of Shrub's cult of personality.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 1:15 pm | #

Exactly why are property tax records public?
It ain't me | 12.04.04 - 1:16 pm | #

I just never bothered to submit the bureaucratic paperwork required to change it.

You mean showing them your marriage license? Yeah, that's a tough one - goddam Big Brother!
dave | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 1:18 pm | #

Hey, when is atrios going to do something with that list of local wingnut pundits we provided?
stencil | 12.04.04 - 1:19 pm | #

Wow, I got quoted by Malkin. I am going off to find an exorcist.
Spinoza | 12.04.04 - 1:19 pm | #

Exactly why are property tax records public?

It sure makes it easy to catch your neighbors lying about the great deal they struck on their house.
Wildebeest | 12.04.04 - 1:19 pm | #

Aw, you guys hurt Michelle's feelings. That was really mean.

The Internment-bot has feelings? Who knew?
..
nattering nabob | 12.04.04 - 1:19 pm | #