stick you what you know, cunt
germ |
12.04.04 - 6:49 pm | #
stick you what you know, cunt
germ |
12.04.04 - 6:49 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce |
12.04.04 - 6:51 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce |
12.04.04 - 6:51 pm | #
why doesn't mccain take all that angst about a possibly corrupt sport and put it into federalizing the election process, so that every single vote in the country is counted the exact same way, with the exact same type of machine (that has been given the attention of every single electronics security expert in the country to protect). and and election process that gives you a receipt that is also archived in a central database.
if he wants to combat fraudulent democracy, not sport, that is.
wastelandusa |
12.04.04 - 6:52 pm | #
why doesn't mccain take all that angst about a possibly corrupt sport and put it into federalizing the election process, so that every single vote in the country is counted the exact same way, with the exact same type of machine (that has been given the attention of every single electronics security expert in the country to protect). and and election process that gives you a receipt that is also archived in a central database.
if he wants to combat fraudulent democracy, not sport, that is.
wastelandusa |
12.04.04 - 6:52 pm | #
What is the obsession with sports and drug use with these folks? Wasn't this mentioned in the last SOTU? Why the focus? Why is this an issue when there is so much else going on? Is it just to distract?
Oooh, good one "germ" troll. More insight from the peanut gallery.
What is the obsession with sports and drug use with these folks? Wasn't this mentioned in the last SOTU? Why the focus? Why is this an issue when there is so much else going on? Is it just to distract?
Oooh, good one "germ" troll. More insight from the peanut gallery.
Absolutely, (my former hero) John McCain sacrificed his dignity and most of his honor in this last election. He has lost right to comment on this subject. Hopefully he may someday regain his dignity.
GP |
12.04.04 - 6:54 pm | #
Absolutely, (my former hero) John McCain sacrificed his dignity and most of his honor in this last election. He has lost right to comment on this subject. Hopefully he may someday regain his dignity.
GP |
12.04.04 - 6:54 pm | #
Our baseball heroes, like our top conservative talk radio hosts, are destroying themselves with illegal drugs and bringing shame upon their profession.
Let's stop overpaying people who think that drug abuse is cool and that they are above the law.
Stinky |
12.04.04 - 6:54 pm | #
Our baseball heroes, like our top conservative talk radio hosts, are destroying themselves with illegal drugs and bringing shame upon their profession.
Let's stop overpaying people who think that drug abuse is cool and that they are above the law.
Stinky |
12.04.04 - 6:54 pm | #
stick you what you know, cunt
germ
I somehow don't think this is FCC approved language. What will we tell Michael Powell??
Stinky |
12.04.04 - 6:56 pm | #
stick you what you know, cunt
germ
I somehow don't think this is FCC approved language. What will we tell Michael Powell??
Stinky |
12.04.04 - 6:56 pm | #
Let's stop overpaying people who think that drug abuse is cool and that they are above the law.
The integrity of baseball is being questioned by politicians.
That pretty much says it all. Sorta like Osama bin Laden speaking out against terrorism, or Bush criticizing crooked elections...
Wacko's Bean Dip |
12.04.04 - 6:57 pm | #
The integrity of baseball is being questioned by politicians.
That pretty much says it all. Sorta like Osama bin Laden speaking out against terrorism, or Bush criticizing crooked elections...
Wacko's Bean Dip |
12.04.04 - 6:57 pm | #
I sure hope John McCain wants there to be more federal investigation into Savings & Loan Matters as well!
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12.04.04 - 6:58 pm | #
I sure hope John McCain wants there to be more federal investigation into Savings & Loan Matters as well!
Attaturk |
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12.04.04 - 6:58 pm | #
WHO IN THE HELL CARES?
dances with donkeys |
12.04.04 - 6:58 pm | #
WHO IN THE HELL CARES?
dances with donkeys |
12.04.04 - 6:58 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
I'm sure all the people in Florida who benefitted from FEMA and other federal, state, and local funding for disaster aid would beg to differ. But that's another matter - I guess all those "small government" types don't object too much when they're up shit creek and the Gubment steps in with money, food, and help.
Stinky |
12.04.04 - 6:59 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
I'm sure all the people in Florida who benefitted from FEMA and other federal, state, and local funding for disaster aid would beg to differ. But that's another matter - I guess all those "small government" types don't object too much when they're up shit creek and the Gubment steps in with money, food, and help.
Stinky |
12.04.04 - 6:59 pm | #
There was a terrorist speaking-out against terror: the knifing of that one Englishwoman who devoted her life to sincerely helping Iraqis was deemed too much and denounced by all the usual suspects (including Zarqawi), and the guys who did it were newcomers who came out of nowhere and have not appeared again. Well. If you're older than 12 you know they came out of London and might have the slightest tangential connection to former Saddamite enforcer Allawi and the successfully escaped Iranian agent Chalabi.
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12.04.04 - 7:01 pm | #
There was a terrorist speaking-out against terror: the knifing of that one Englishwoman who devoted her life to sincerely helping Iraqis was deemed too much and denounced by all the usual suspects (including Zarqawi), and the guys who did it were newcomers who came out of nowhere and have not appeared again. Well. If you're older than 12 you know they came out of London and might have the slightest tangential connection to former Saddamite enforcer Allawi and the successfully escaped Iranian agent Chalabi.
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12.04.04 - 7:01 pm | #
John McCain questioning anyone's integrity is equivalent to a prostitute questioning the promiscuity of a coworker.
Bear |
12.04.04 - 7:03 pm | #
John McCain questioning anyone's integrity is equivalent to a prostitute questioning the promiscuity of a coworker.
Bear |
12.04.04 - 7:03 pm | #
Professional baseball at one time had integrity? Since when? No, what professional baseball had was a willing agreement from sports writers to keep mum on certain things. That's gone.
And good gravy, I'm sure glad everything else in the goddamn country is so hunky-dory that McCain can waste his time - and our tax-payer dollars - on this sort of nonsense. And come on...Barry Bonds takes steroids. Barry Bonds hits more home runs. More people come to the park and endure a four-hour snoozefest just in case Barry Bonds hits another home run. Team owner makes a lot of money.
Why does John McCain hate the free market?
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12.04.04 - 7:05 pm | #
Professional baseball at one time had integrity? Since when? No, what professional baseball had was a willing agreement from sports writers to keep mum on certain things. That's gone.
And good gravy, I'm sure glad everything else in the goddamn country is so hunky-dory that McCain can waste his time - and our tax-payer dollars - on this sort of nonsense. And come on...Barry Bonds takes steroids. Barry Bonds hits more home runs. More people come to the park and endure a four-hour snoozefest just in case Barry Bonds hits another home run. Team owner makes a lot of money.
Why does John McCain hate the free market?
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12.04.04 - 7:05 pm | #
You know, this was the same absolute left-field Martian bullshit Bush segued into in the SotU. This (steroids, especially in baseball) must be to "terror? what terror?" what "values" are to "intermarriage."
kei & yuri |
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12.04.04 - 7:06 pm | #
You know, this was the same absolute left-field Martian bullshit Bush segued into in the SotU. This (steroids, especially in baseball) must be to "terror? what terror?" what "values" are to "intermarriage."
kei & yuri |
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12.04.04 - 7:06 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
I'm sure all the people in Florida who benefitted from FEMA and other federal, state, and local funding for disaster aid would beg to differ.
the government also doesn't hurt if you're looking for a draft deferrement, and have nothing going for you other than being rich, having the last name of Bush, or various other pregnancy or educational related activities.
wastelandusa |
12.04.04 - 7:06 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
I'm sure all the people in Florida who benefitted from FEMA and other federal, state, and local funding for disaster aid would beg to differ.
the government also doesn't hurt if you're looking for a draft deferrement, and have nothing going for you other than being rich, having the last name of Bush, or various other pregnancy or educational related activities.
wastelandusa |
12.04.04 - 7:06 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
And he was wrong.
Witness: the Gi Bill, Social Security, the interstates, and on and on and on...
The most terrifying words in the English language are : "As Ronald Reagan once said..." followed by anything at all...
Konopelli |
12.04.04 - 7:06 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
And he was wrong.
Witness: the Gi Bill, Social Security, the interstates, and on and on and on...
The most terrifying words in the English language are : "As Ronald Reagan once said..." followed by anything at all...
Konopelli |
12.04.04 - 7:06 pm | #
I truly miss the days when, as an example, my hero Al Kaline would never have considered using drugs. It was a point of pride to compete to the best of your ability.
Of course, Al wasn't playing for an obscene-plus-two paycheck.
All that said, isn't there, like, a shitload of stuff McCain could get bent out of shape about?
Oh, wait. That's right. We saw during the election that he's bought and paid for. My bad.
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12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
I truly miss the days when, as an example, my hero Al Kaline would never have considered using drugs. It was a point of pride to compete to the best of your ability.
Of course, Al wasn't playing for an obscene-plus-two paycheck.
All that said, isn't there, like, a shitload of stuff McCain could get bent out of shape about?
Oh, wait. That's right. We saw during the election that he's bought and paid for. My bad.
filkertom |
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12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
Now, see, if they'd let the Little King be the Commissioner of baseball like he really wanted instead of this presidentin' nonsense - which is hard work - we wouldn't be having this problem. You can bet your last biscuit that Lil' George woulda been crackin' down on them naughty athletes and their illicit drug use.
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12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
Now, see, if they'd let the Little King be the Commissioner of baseball like he really wanted instead of this presidentin' nonsense - which is hard work - we wouldn't be having this problem. You can bet your last biscuit that Lil' George woulda been crackin' down on them naughty athletes and their illicit drug use.
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12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
Wow, NTodd. Shoulda gone to you first.
McCain doing this is just pathetic.
pie |
12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
Wow, NTodd. Shoulda gone to you first.
McCain doing this is just pathetic.
pie |
12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
OT - Also, at Pie's link. I take this as a sign (URL below):
Cargo Plane Ditches in Lake Near Miami
Guardian Unlimited
Saturday December 4, 2004 11:46 PM
AVENTURA, Fla. (AP) - The crew of a decades-old cargo plane put the aircraft down in a lake in a Miami suburb Saturday after it developed engine trouble, avoiding high-rise buildings in the densely populated area, then were rescued from the floating fuselage.
The Miami Air Lease plane - with the misspelled message ``Eelect George W. Bush'' running the length of the fuselage - had trouble with one of its two engines shortly after takeoff…”
jimmiraybob |
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12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
OT - Also, at Pie's link. I take this as a sign (URL below):
Cargo Plane Ditches in Lake Near Miami
Guardian Unlimited
Saturday December 4, 2004 11:46 PM
AVENTURA, Fla. (AP) - The crew of a decades-old cargo plane put the aircraft down in a lake in a Miami suburb Saturday after it developed engine trouble, avoiding high-rise buildings in the densely populated area, then were rescued from the floating fuselage.
The Miami Air Lease plane - with the misspelled message ``Eelect George W. Bush'' running the length of the fuselage - had trouble with one of its two engines shortly after takeoff…”
jimmiraybob |
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12.04.04 - 7:07 pm | #
America, apple pie, baseball and inappropriate use of federal resources.
Nieves |
12.04.04 - 7:08 pm | #
America, apple pie, baseball and inappropriate use of federal resources.
Nieves |
12.04.04 - 7:08 pm | #
Then Came McCain.
Remember that show Then Came Bronson?
Baseball players have notoriously been hitting the muscle juice for years on end.
Why the fake outrage now?
Spend our money on more important things, Johnny, like reducing the house odds on elections.
Make yourself useful to those other than Shrub for a change.
Wildebeest |
12.04.04 - 7:08 pm | #
Then Came McCain.
Remember that show Then Came Bronson?
Baseball players have notoriously been hitting the muscle juice for years on end.
Why the fake outrage now?
Spend our money on more important things, Johnny, like reducing the house odds on elections.
Make yourself useful to those other than Shrub for a change.
Wildebeest |
12.04.04 - 7:08 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm Liddy Dole and I'll take out my dentures and gum you."
bebe rebozo |
12.04.04 - 7:09 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm Liddy Dole and I'll take out my dentures and gum you."
bebe rebozo |
12.04.04 - 7:09 pm | #
Hey, we can't let the ballplayers snarf up all the steroids - we have to make sure we always have enough for the DoD.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 7:09 pm | #
Hey, we can't let the ballplayers snarf up all the steroids - we have to make sure we always have enough for the DoD.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 7:09 pm | #
I'm sure all the people in Florida who benefitted from FEMA and other federal, state, and local funding for disaster aid would beg to differ. But that's another matter - I guess all those "small government" types don't object too much when they're up shit creek and the Gubment steps in with money, food, and help. - Stinky
Small Gubment types remind me of teenagers who trash-talk about their parents but don't run away from home 'cause they know on which side their bread is butterred ... and they resent things even more that they are still dependent on their parents.
If certain people were not so dependent on big-gummint, they wouldn't be so angry at it.
OTOH - what's with the Republicans wanting to get gummint involved in something that should be policed by the private organization in charge? First the Rethugs say they wanna get gummint off our backs, then they waste no opportunity, from drug laws to DHS, to create bigger and more annoying beaurocracies?
It's as if Rethugs are using their power to prove their case about gummint. It's a viscious cycle (they get elected on an anti-gummint platform, make gummint worse and then get re-elected on an anti-gummint platform) and it's destroying this country!
DAS |
12.04.04 - 7:09 pm | #
I'm sure all the people in Florida who benefitted from FEMA and other federal, state, and local funding for disaster aid would beg to differ. But that's another matter - I guess all those "small government" types don't object too much when they're up shit creek and the Gubment steps in with money, food, and help. - Stinky
Small Gubment types remind me of teenagers who trash-talk about their parents but don't run away from home 'cause they know on which side their bread is butterred ... and they resent things even more that they are still dependent on their parents.
If certain people were not so dependent on big-gummint, they wouldn't be so angry at it.
OTOH - what's with the Republicans wanting to get gummint involved in something that should be policed by the private organization in charge? First the Rethugs say they wanna get gummint off our backs, then they waste no opportunity, from drug laws to DHS, to create bigger and more annoying beaurocracies?
It's as if Rethugs are using their power to prove their case about gummint. It's a viscious cycle (they get elected on an anti-gummint platform, make gummint worse and then get re-elected on an anti-gummint platform) and it's destroying this country!
DAS |
12.04.04 - 7:09 pm | #
I think McCain must give a quick soundbite whenever he spots the fridge light when snacking...mebbe he and Tweety can wax philosophic about thoughtless jocks...
sean |
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12.04.04 - 7:10 pm | #
I think McCain must give a quick soundbite whenever he spots the fridge light when snacking...mebbe he and Tweety can wax philosophic about thoughtless jocks...
sean |
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12.04.04 - 7:10 pm | #
It's McStain, please. Not McCain...McStain!!!
again: Not McCain...McStain!!!
Got it?
Not McCain...McStain!!!
He's vile and foul and weak and a wholesale, lying, gutless sack of GOPuke and embarrassment...
Konopelli |
12.04.04 - 7:11 pm | #
It's McStain, please. Not McCain...McStain!!!
again: Not McCain...McStain!!!
Got it?
Not McCain...McStain!!!
He's vile and foul and weak and a wholesale, lying, gutless sack of GOPuke and embarrassment...
Konopelli |
12.04.04 - 7:11 pm | #
Why the fake outrage now?
Hey, they gotta be outraged about something. Keeps 'em from actually workin' and maybe showing us just why "their way" is better. Outrage keeps us pleebs from paying attention, doncha know, and gay marriage and abortion apparently aren't pulling the numbers they used to.
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12.04.04 - 7:16 pm | #
Why the fake outrage now?
Hey, they gotta be outraged about something. Keeps 'em from actually workin' and maybe showing us just why "their way" is better. Outrage keeps us pleebs from paying attention, doncha know, and gay marriage and abortion apparently aren't pulling the numbers they used to.
Backslider |
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12.04.04 - 7:16 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are:
I'm the grip that you used to blow behind stage 8 at Universal. Want to see the Dailies?
Chauncy Gardner |
12.04.04 - 7:19 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are:
I'm the grip that you used to blow behind stage 8 at Universal. Want to see the Dailies?
Chauncy Gardner |
12.04.04 - 7:19 pm | #
DAS -- the one thing that Repubs, especially rich Repubs, understand on a cellular level is that, if government is performing vital services, they (the Repubs) are not getting paid for it. In fact, they have to kick in, whether they use the services or not.
The one thing they, especially Grover Norquist, will never understand, is that the very purpose of government is to do what the individual cannot. Profit is not supposed to be a motive. In fact, it has no place in the model.
"Balancing the books", whether financial or ethical, seems to be out of style. :-/
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12.04.04 - 7:19 pm | #
DAS -- the one thing that Repubs, especially rich Repubs, understand on a cellular level is that, if government is performing vital services, they (the Repubs) are not getting paid for it. In fact, they have to kick in, whether they use the services or not.
The one thing they, especially Grover Norquist, will never understand, is that the very purpose of government is to do what the individual cannot. Profit is not supposed to be a motive. In fact, it has no place in the model.
"Balancing the books", whether financial or ethical, seems to be out of style. :-/
filkertom |
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12.04.04 - 7:19 pm | #
"Surely these were victims like those in the camps."
kei & yuri |
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12.04.04 - 7:24 pm | #
"Surely these were victims like those in the camps."
kei & yuri |
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12.04.04 - 7:24 pm | #
You know, growing up in an Army family, it's a little hard to believe that Michael Powell could possibly be quite as sweetly delicate as he conveys. -Not- the Army I used to know, anyway. Don't you bet he just got beat up every single -day-?
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12.04.04 - 7:26 pm | #
You know, growing up in an Army family, it's a little hard to believe that Michael Powell could possibly be quite as sweetly delicate as he conveys. -Not- the Army I used to know, anyway. Don't you bet he just got beat up every single -day-?
GWPDA |
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12.04.04 - 7:26 pm | #
If not, I'm sure we can find some volunteers to help him make up for lost time.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 7:28 pm | #
If not, I'm sure we can find some volunteers to help him make up for lost time.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 7:28 pm | #
No worries. My blog's a bit off the beaten path...
NTodd |
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12.04.04 - 7:32 pm | #
Wow, NTodd. Shoulda gone to you first.
No worries. My blog's a bit off the beaten path...
NTodd |
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12.04.04 - 7:32 pm | #
Gee I always find it amazing that congresscritters(including senators) are able to act immediately to get legislation passed on such urgent matters such as this, but it takes months and months to pass legislation after years of investigations along with expert recommdations, that might help in preventing another 9/11 catastrophe.
I see this was on page A01 of WaPo, but you can't find the names or the numbers of the troops who did something extremely important for their country (sacraficed their lives and died for it) on page A01. No sirree, can't have that.
Pie, I read on some old threads that your mom passed away very recently and want to extend my condolences to you and your family.
emal |
12.04.04 - 7:33 pm | #
Gee I always find it amazing that congresscritters(including senators) are able to act immediately to get legislation passed on such urgent matters such as this, but it takes months and months to pass legislation after years of investigations along with expert recommdations, that might help in preventing another 9/11 catastrophe.
I see this was on page A01 of WaPo, but you can't find the names or the numbers of the troops who did something extremely important for their country (sacraficed their lives and died for it) on page A01. No sirree, can't have that.
Pie, I read on some old threads that your mom passed away very recently and want to extend my condolences to you and your family.
emal |
12.04.04 - 7:33 pm | #
Well it took 'em a while but they found another "What about the children?" issue. Seems they always need at least one to suck the media oxygen.
Foundling |
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12.04.04 - 7:37 pm | #
Well it took 'em a while but they found another "What about the children?" issue. Seems they always need at least one to suck the media oxygen.
Foundling |
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12.04.04 - 7:37 pm | #
McCain is reaching for the limelight again. He's all about attention and seeking the presidency in 2008. Sorry, baby, your time is over. You've shown everybody that you're just another repub hack. Let baseball take care of itself. This is like the FBI or Secret Service investigating teenagers who draw fangs on pictures of George Bush - get the hell out of here and do the job you're supposed to do!
boz scaggs |
12.04.04 - 7:38 pm | #
McCain is reaching for the limelight again. He's all about attention and seeking the presidency in 2008. Sorry, baby, your time is over. You've shown everybody that you're just another repub hack. Let baseball take care of itself. This is like the FBI or Secret Service investigating teenagers who draw fangs on pictures of George Bush - get the hell out of here and do the job you're supposed to do!
boz scaggs |
12.04.04 - 7:38 pm | #
I keep wondering why professional sports holds no interest for me anymore, compared to when I was growing up. I think it's the inflated egos, the inflated salaries, and the inflated records achieved by inflated bodies. The "outrage" generated by all this is a bit bizarre - especially the folks in the Bay Area who are crying over the implication of Barry Bonds. The guy's a creep, but he sells tickets to Pac Bell Park, so this is a really big deal for some reason. Completely dominated the front page of the SF Chronicle two days running - which is an indication of something seriously wrong in the middle of a war that's going badly.
We listen to music that's fake, eat food that's fake, elect politicians who are fake and watch news that's fake, so why shouldn't our athletes be fake ? Frankly, it's way low on my list of concerns about "integrity". Welcome to the world of mega-million dollar entertainment in the 21st century....
brucds |
12.04.04 - 7:41 pm | #
I keep wondering why professional sports holds no interest for me anymore, compared to when I was growing up. I think it's the inflated egos, the inflated salaries, and the inflated records achieved by inflated bodies. The "outrage" generated by all this is a bit bizarre - especially the folks in the Bay Area who are crying over the implication of Barry Bonds. The guy's a creep, but he sells tickets to Pac Bell Park, so this is a really big deal for some reason. Completely dominated the front page of the SF Chronicle two days running - which is an indication of something seriously wrong in the middle of a war that's going badly.
We listen to music that's fake, eat food that's fake, elect politicians who are fake and watch news that's fake, so why shouldn't our athletes be fake ? Frankly, it's way low on my list of concerns about "integrity". Welcome to the world of mega-million dollar entertainment in the 21st century....
brucds |
12.04.04 - 7:41 pm | #
GWPDA--isn't he the son of a general? There was this son of a major on Oki, and the major was an allright guy who would actually cruise up to this picnic gazebo thing with a trunk full of chilled beer, but he would sort of non-insist-insist once that his son be allowed to play with guys in a pickup football game twice his age. Which was awkward. But it seems counterintuitive to us that you not become a priss under that kind of shelter.
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12.04.04 - 7:41 pm | #
GWPDA--isn't he the son of a general? There was this son of a major on Oki, and the major was an allright guy who would actually cruise up to this picnic gazebo thing with a trunk full of chilled beer, but he would sort of non-insist-insist once that his son be allowed to play with guys in a pickup football game twice his age. Which was awkward. But it seems counterintuitive to us that you not become a priss under that kind of shelter.
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12.04.04 - 7:41 pm | #
Don't these Repugs have anything more important to worry about?
The loss of American and Iraqi lives?
The shitty economy?
What a pack of assholes!
John McCain = W-H-O-R-E!
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 7:43 pm | #
Don't these Repugs have anything more important to worry about?
The loss of American and Iraqi lives?
The shitty economy?
What a pack of assholes!
John McCain = W-H-O-R-E!
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 7:43 pm | #
The "outrage" generated by all this is a bit bizarre - especially the folks in the Bay Area who are crying over the implication of Barry Bonds. The guy's a creep, but he sells tickets to Pac Bell Park, so this is a really big deal for some reason."
He IS a creep - his late dad, Bobby Bonds, was TWICE the man he'll EVER be!
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 7:44 pm | #
The "outrage" generated by all this is a bit bizarre - especially the folks in the Bay Area who are crying over the implication of Barry Bonds. The guy's a creep, but he sells tickets to Pac Bell Park, so this is a really big deal for some reason."
He IS a creep - his late dad, Bobby Bonds, was TWICE the man he'll EVER be!
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 7:44 pm | #
(McCain is reaching for the limelight again. He's all about attention and seeking the presidency in 2008.)
Aren't there a few more Bushes who want to serve really hard, hard??
Grandma Barb, and then the girls, and then Jeb's kid, and then
Hedda |
12.04.04 - 7:45 pm | #
(McCain is reaching for the limelight again. He's all about attention and seeking the presidency in 2008.)
Aren't there a few more Bushes who want to serve really hard, hard??
Grandma Barb, and then the girls, and then Jeb's kid, and then
Hedda |
12.04.04 - 7:45 pm | #
The reason to try to preserve the illusion of purity and honor in sports is because sports, as Chomsky has frequently noted, takes the place of common civil discourse in US/Capitalist/Consumerist/Fascist culture. the fascists cannot afford to have this reservoir of distraction polluted too much by mis-belief. Sports are their central metaphor: winners vs losers, and the source of all their rhetorical tropes (aside from war, which in its agonic elements, sports closely resembles, too)...
Read Chomsky: This is a transcript from the Manufacturing Consent television/video production, i think...
Konopelli |
12.04.04 - 7:46 pm | #
The reason to try to preserve the illusion of purity and honor in sports is because sports, as Chomsky has frequently noted, takes the place of common civil discourse in US/Capitalist/Consumerist/Fascist culture. the fascists cannot afford to have this reservoir of distraction polluted too much by mis-belief. Sports are their central metaphor: winners vs losers, and the source of all their rhetorical tropes (aside from war, which in its agonic elements, sports closely resembles, too)...
Read Chomsky: This is a transcript from the Manufacturing Consent television/video production, i think...
Konopelli |
12.04.04 - 7:46 pm | #
We listen to music that's fake, eat food that's fake, elect politicians who are fake and watch news that's fake, so why shouldn't our athletes be fake ?
couldn't have said it better myself.
wastelandusa |
12.04.04 - 7:46 pm | #
We listen to music that's fake, eat food that's fake, elect politicians who are fake and watch news that's fake, so why shouldn't our athletes be fake ?
couldn't have said it better myself.
wastelandusa |
12.04.04 - 7:46 pm | #
"Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Some more shit written for him by that headcase, Peggy Noonan!
UGH!
St. Ronald of the Monster Deficit ranks right with both Bushes as the worst presidents in US history.
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 7:50 pm | #
"Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Some more shit written for him by that headcase, Peggy Noonan!
UGH!
St. Ronald of the Monster Deficit ranks right with both Bushes as the worst presidents in US history.
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 7:50 pm | #
I wonder WHAT deal was made between McCain's campaign manager and karl Rove? They met for a CHAT during the reelection campaign..AND THEN MY OH MY J McCain the untrustworthy was campaigning for Bushie! J McCains campaign manager stopped speaking to Rove when Rove bugged his own office during a campaign they worked on together in TexASS......HMMMMMM
Blue Wolff |
12.04.04 - 7:58 pm | #
I wonder WHAT deal was made between McCain's campaign manager and karl Rove? They met for a CHAT during the reelection campaign..AND THEN MY OH MY J McCain the untrustworthy was campaigning for Bushie! J McCains campaign manager stopped speaking to Rove when Rove bugged his own office during a campaign they worked on together in TexASS......HMMMMMM
Blue Wolff |
12.04.04 - 7:58 pm | #
I think its funny he's pretending this is some type of revelation.
Sports should be clean of performance enhancing drugs, because it pushes the marginal player who wants to play clean into doing just to keep his job and remain competitive.
But everyone with any common sense knows baseball doesn't have integrity, and it has nothing to do with steriods.
derek g |
12.04.04 - 8:03 pm | #
I think its funny he's pretending this is some type of revelation.
Sports should be clean of performance enhancing drugs, because it pushes the marginal player who wants to play clean into doing just to keep his job and remain competitive.
But everyone with any common sense knows baseball doesn't have integrity, and it has nothing to do with steriods.
derek g |
12.04.04 - 8:03 pm | #
...wow! It's fun quoting Reagan and watching the fur fly.
Finally McCain has found something important to pontificate about,while ignoring war crimes.
coitus bush |
12.04.04 - 8:22 pm | #
Finally McCain has found something important to pontificate about,while ignoring war crimes.
coitus bush |
12.04.04 - 8:22 pm | #
Let's just pray to Jebus that the terrorists don't get ahold of any steroids.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 8:28 pm | #
Let's just pray to Jebus that the terrorists don't get ahold of any steroids.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 8:28 pm | #
McCain shot his wad this year. Anything he wants to accomplish is dead in the water before it begins. Why should I listen to anything this man says about integrity after what he reduced himself to in the campaign?
Stop spending our money on this kind of "feel good" crap, Senator. Try to do something that might actually help get this country out of the many messes we're in.
Emily |
12.04.04 - 8:34 pm | #
McCain shot his wad this year. Anything he wants to accomplish is dead in the water before it begins. Why should I listen to anything this man says about integrity after what he reduced himself to in the campaign?
Stop spending our money on this kind of "feel good" crap, Senator. Try to do something that might actually help get this country out of the many messes we're in.
Emily |
12.04.04 - 8:34 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
Get a grip folks! Reagan didn't come up with this! It's been a running joke the 25+ years I've lived in Appalachia! It means: If the guy from the govt says he's here to help 1) hold on to your wallet or 2) things are really gonna be screwed up now!!!!" As long as I have lived in Appalalchia people use this line as a running gag---and we just aren't that into Reagan. It's sort of the equivalent of "If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you"
loubarr |
12.04.04 - 8:40 pm | #
Ronald Reagan once said, "The most terrifying words in the English langauage are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Darryl Pearce
Get a grip folks! Reagan didn't come up with this! It's been a running joke the 25+ years I've lived in Appalachia! It means: If the guy from the govt says he's here to help 1) hold on to your wallet or 2) things are really gonna be screwed up now!!!!" As long as I have lived in Appalalchia people use this line as a running gag---and we just aren't that into Reagan. It's sort of the equivalent of "If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you"
loubarr |
12.04.04 - 8:40 pm | #
McCain is Lieberman without the balls.
dave |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 8:42 pm | #
McCain is Lieberman without the balls.
dave |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 8:42 pm | #
But it used to be the other way around. How did that happen?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 8:50 pm | #
But it used to be the other way around. How did that happen?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 8:50 pm | #
The only balls Lieberman has are matzah balls.
bebe rebozo |
12.04.04 - 8:51 pm | #
The only balls Lieberman has are matzah balls.
bebe rebozo |
12.04.04 - 8:51 pm | #
I mean, the Viet Cong tortured him for 5 years and it didn't break him, so what the hell did Bush & Rove *do* to the poor guy?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 8:51 pm | #
I mean, the Viet Cong tortured him for 5 years and it didn't break him, so what the hell did Bush & Rove *do* to the poor guy?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 8:51 pm | #
For the record, the reason the government is talking about getting involved is that MLB is a Federally regulated monopoly.
Kimmitt |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 8:55 pm | #
For the record, the reason the government is talking about getting involved is that MLB is a Federally regulated monopoly.
Kimmitt |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 8:55 pm | #
Stop the steriods and feed them oxytoxin.
Elaine Supkis |
12.04.04 - 8:59 pm | #
Stop the steriods and feed them oxytoxin.
Elaine Supkis |
12.04.04 - 8:59 pm | #
listening to windbag John McCain speak about anything having to do with ethics when he stumped for the Chimp is beyond the limits of decency ... all politics aside, the little fucker was man-lovin dubya one moment and speaking in tongues the other all through the campaign
real sweetheart kinda guy .. and not that we're firebombing iraq, he thinks steroids are the issue ... .what a buffoon ... let the fuckers take their steroids and die at 50 years old for a while, maybe then the problem will solve itself
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:01 pm | #
listening to windbag John McCain speak about anything having to do with ethics when he stumped for the Chimp is beyond the limits of decency ... all politics aside, the little fucker was man-lovin dubya one moment and speaking in tongues the other all through the campaign
real sweetheart kinda guy .. and not that we're firebombing iraq, he thinks steroids are the issue ... .what a buffoon ... let the fuckers take their steroids and die at 50 years old for a while, maybe then the problem will solve itself
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:01 pm | #
Yep - there are some problems in baseball - BUT
There are plenty of very serious problems in Washington DC - I suggest to McCain that he clean up his own domain, and his own party, and the filthy job his buddy Bush is doing to the country and to the globe.
McCain as usual comes across as sleazy.
Dorothy M. Ligon |
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12.04.04 - 9:02 pm | #
Yep - there are some problems in baseball - BUT
There are plenty of very serious problems in Washington DC - I suggest to McCain that he clean up his own domain, and his own party, and the filthy job his buddy Bush is doing to the country and to the globe.
McCain as usual comes across as sleazy.
Dorothy M. Ligon |
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12.04.04 - 9:02 pm | #
I mean, the Viet Cong tortured him for 5 years and it didn't break him, so what the hell did Bush & Rove *do* to the poor guy?
Insulted his manhood? Brought out pics of him and Jane Fonda in flagrante dilecto? Brought out the Comfy Chair?
NTodd |
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12.04.04 - 9:04 pm | #
I mean, the Viet Cong tortured him for 5 years and it didn't break him, so what the hell did Bush & Rove *do* to the poor guy?
Insulted his manhood? Brought out pics of him and Jane Fonda in flagrante dilecto? Brought out the Comfy Chair?
NTodd |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 9:04 pm | #
Oh, for the good old days of a strong Baseball Commissioner.
Andy Greenberg |
12.04.04 - 9:05 pm | #
Oh, for the good old days of a strong Baseball Commissioner.
Andy Greenberg |
12.04.04 - 9:05 pm | #
Hey, I posted a comment about this almost an hour before the post on Atrios:
The world's going to hell around us, and THIS is what he's concerned with?
Scooter Blue | Email | Homepage | 12.04.04 - 5:59 pm | #
Not hatin', just sayin'
Scooter Blue |
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12.04.04 - 9:08 pm | #
I mean, the Viet Cong tortured him for 5 years and it didn't break him, so what the hell did Bush & Rove *do* to the poor guy?
"Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you."
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:09 pm | #
I mean, the Viet Cong tortured him for 5 years and it didn't break him, so what the hell did Bush & Rove *do* to the poor guy?
"Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you."
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:09 pm | #
Heh heh heh...
Good thing it wasn't a wristwatch.
("Um, thank you, Uncle Crazy Man. I'll, uh, put it on later.")
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:12 pm | #
Heh heh heh...
Good thing it wasn't a wristwatch.
("Um, thank you, Uncle Crazy Man. I'll, uh, put it on later.")
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:12 pm | #
For the record, the reason the government is talking about getting involved is that MLB is a Federally regulated monopoly.
Holy shit you're off base Pie. MLB has the only exception to anti-trust laws in the country. Thus Congress has more regulatory responsibility.
Also, Gov't does plenty right. I can drop a letter in a box and for less than a buck, it gets delivered almost anywhere. Pretty damn good. Like our roads? Like clean drinking water? I can go on and on... Privatization is the enemy.
hardleft |
12.04.04 - 9:17 pm | #
Holy shit you're off base Pie. MLB has the only exception to anti-trust laws in the country. Thus Congress has more regulatory responsibility.
Also, Gov't does plenty right. I can drop a letter in a box and for less than a buck, it gets delivered almost anywhere. Pretty damn good. Like our roads? Like clean drinking water? I can go on and on... Privatization is the enemy.
hardleft |
12.04.04 - 9:17 pm | #
The odd part of this story is the FACT that the results of initial screening of players was SUPPOSED to be confidential. Owing to a laboratory screwup, it is possible for the names of every player who tested positive for steroids (some >5% of players) is knowable.
If John "I never saw a camera I didn't play to" McCain was serious about steroids... he need only issue a subpoena to the drug testing company to get all of the names of the players who tested positive. THAT kind of action might force baseball to act on steroid abuse... not grandstanding before the press.
This McCain guy is one big asshole, and his brain needs an enema.
JohnLalo |
12.04.04 - 9:19 pm | #
The odd part of this story is the FACT that the results of initial screening of players was SUPPOSED to be confidential. Owing to a laboratory screwup, it is possible for the names of every player who tested positive for steroids (some >5% of players) is knowable.
If John "I never saw a camera I didn't play to" McCain was serious about steroids... he need only issue a subpoena to the drug testing company to get all of the names of the players who tested positive. THAT kind of action might force baseball to act on steroid abuse... not grandstanding before the press.
This McCain guy is one big asshole, and his brain needs an enema.
JohnLalo |
12.04.04 - 9:19 pm | #
""Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you."
Errrr, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather have a Rolex.
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 9:19 pm | #
""Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the watch to you."
Errrr, if it's all the same to you, I'd rather have a Rolex.
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 9:19 pm | #
Major League Baseball has a legacy of extreme racism, bigots, liars and crooks and infiltration by organized crime ... is it any wonder that now the hired help is copying its master like sharecroppers on the plantation? rich sharecroppers selling their life for a few more records ... and if you really want to whack MLB, start off by attacking it's lovely sweetheart monopoly status in the eyes of the government
one of the great swindles in the latter half of the last century was the millions poured into stadiums for private companies at the expense of taxpayers ... meanwhile the average guy can't afford a ticket ... boycott MLB as soon as you can ... it's not a sport, it's a slave ship for everyone
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:20 pm | #
Major League Baseball has a legacy of extreme racism, bigots, liars and crooks and infiltration by organized crime ... is it any wonder that now the hired help is copying its master like sharecroppers on the plantation? rich sharecroppers selling their life for a few more records ... and if you really want to whack MLB, start off by attacking it's lovely sweetheart monopoly status in the eyes of the government
one of the great swindles in the latter half of the last century was the millions poured into stadiums for private companies at the expense of taxpayers ... meanwhile the average guy can't afford a ticket ... boycott MLB as soon as you can ... it's not a sport, it's a slave ship for everyone
syntallic |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 9:20 pm | #
Oh, for the good old days of a strong Baseball Commissioner.
Where did ya go, A. Bartlett Giamatti?
Hey, I posted a comment about this almost an hour before the post on Atrios...
Hey, that's when I posted on my blog! Not hatin', just sayin'.
Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass.
You do a mean Walken...
NTodd |
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12.04.04 - 9:21 pm | #
Oh, for the good old days of a strong Baseball Commissioner.
Where did ya go, A. Bartlett Giamatti?
Hey, I posted a comment about this almost an hour before the post on Atrios...
Hey, that's when I posted on my blog! Not hatin', just sayin'.
Five long years, he wore this watch up his ass.
You do a mean Walken...
NTodd |
Homepage |
12.04.04 - 9:21 pm | #
Indeed. That would be more like a Holex...
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:22 pm | #
Indeed. That would be more like a Holex...
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:22 pm | #
Look at how he acted at the Repugnican HATE FEST....whoops, convention.
He's got smoke coming out of his ears about "Fahrenheit 9-11".
He never saw the damn movie.
And Michael Moore, meanwhile, is sitting up there waving at it!
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 9:23 pm | #
Look at how he acted at the Repugnican HATE FEST....whoops, convention.
He's got smoke coming out of his ears about "Fahrenheit 9-11".
He never saw the damn movie.
And Michael Moore, meanwhile, is sitting up there waving at it!
Terry C |
12.04.04 - 9:23 pm | #
MLB has the only exception to anti-trust laws in the country. Thus Congress has more regulatory responsibility.
Bzzz! Thanks for playing. Congress really should get the fuck out of baseball and revoke MLB's monopoly. This has nothing to do with steroids. And for Jeebus' sake, it's a GD game. If McCain really thinks his prime directive is to regulate a game where bicep-flexing, over-sexed boys swing their dicks around in a park, he's in the wrong biz.
NTodd |
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12.04.04 - 9:25 pm | #
MLB has the only exception to anti-trust laws in the country. Thus Congress has more regulatory responsibility.
Bzzz! Thanks for playing. Congress really should get the fuck out of baseball and revoke MLB's monopoly. This has nothing to do with steroids. And for Jeebus' sake, it's a GD game. If McCain really thinks his prime directive is to regulate a game where bicep-flexing, over-sexed boys swing their dicks around in a park, he's in the wrong biz.
NTodd |
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12.04.04 - 9:25 pm | #
Pie -
This is the first I am hearing about your mom's passing. Very sad news and hope you are doing okay. It must be so difficult. Thoughts with you.
Jenny from the Blog |
12.04.04 - 9:29 pm | #
Pie -
This is the first I am hearing about your mom's passing. Very sad news and hope you are doing okay. It must be so difficult. Thoughts with you.
Jenny from the Blog |
12.04.04 - 9:29 pm | #
hardleft, I was mostly being sarcastic, okay?
As others have pointed out, why is McCain so concerned about steroids used by baseball players when there are WAY more inmportant issues he should be addressing?
As others have pointed out, why is McCain so concerned about steroids used by baseball players when there are WAY more inmportant issues he should be addressing?
why is McCain so concerned about steroids used by baseball players when there are WAY more inmportant issues he should be addressing?
Why is anyone so concerned about steroids used by baseball players?? Like BFD, right?
No big juicy trials going on. Slack time between one momentary interest and the next.
Angry Blue Planet |
12.04.04 - 9:40 pm | #
why is McCain so concerned about steroids used by baseball players when there are WAY more inmportant issues he should be addressing?
Why is anyone so concerned about steroids used by baseball players?? Like BFD, right?
No big juicy trials going on. Slack time between one momentary interest and the next.
Angry Blue Planet |
12.04.04 - 9:40 pm | #
Well... to be honest... I really *would* like to see Barry Bonds go down in flames.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:44 pm | #
Well... to be honest... I really *would* like to see Barry Bonds go down in flames.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:44 pm | #
Well... to be honest... I really *would* like to see Barry Bonds go down in flames.
Eli
the whole sport should go down in flames and reinvent itself .. it's not even baseball anymore .. shoulda known that the red sox winning were the beginning of the end
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:55 pm | #
Well... to be honest... I really *would* like to see Barry Bonds go down in flames.
Eli
the whole sport should go down in flames and reinvent itself .. it's not even baseball anymore .. shoulda known that the red sox winning were the beginning of the end
syntallic |
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12.04.04 - 9:55 pm | #
Hell, I think it might actually be in Revelations...
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:56 pm | #
Hell, I think it might actually be in Revelations...
Eli |
12.04.04 - 9:56 pm | #
Did Boggs dismember his wife and toss her in the bay?
No?
Well! He better, looks like more Kerry votes turned up in Ohio, got "tossed away" by "accident". 7000 in one voting district.
Elaine Supkis |
12.04.04 - 10:02 pm | #
Did Boggs dismember his wife and toss her in the bay?
No?
Well! He better, looks like more Kerry votes turned up in Ohio, got "tossed away" by "accident". 7000 in one voting district.
Elaine Supkis |
12.04.04 - 10:02 pm | #
Small Gubment types remind me of teenagers who trash-talk about their parents but don't run away from home 'cause they know on which side their bread is butterred ... and they resent things even more that they are still dependent on their parents.
We say much the same thing about Quebec seperatists. They want to move out of the house on their own but keep a key so that they can drop by and raid the fridge when they get hungry and have use of the family credit cards.
Keith |
12.04.04 - 10:03 pm | #
Small Gubment types remind me of teenagers who trash-talk about their parents but don't run away from home 'cause they know on which side their bread is butterred ... and they resent things even more that they are still dependent on their parents.
We say much the same thing about Quebec seperatists. They want to move out of the house on their own but keep a key so that they can drop by and raid the fridge when they get hungry and have use of the family credit cards.
Keith |
12.04.04 - 10:03 pm | #
If Barry Bonds is really taking something
To hit make him hit more homers than before
They gotta throw him out of the game, sir
They gotta throw him out the door
Then burn the porn films with all the girls with implants
Burn the poetry by men who took lithium as boys
Your erection compliments of Levitra
Is hereby rendered null and soft and void
Then rip the contact lenses from your eyes, sir
You’re not really supposed to see naturally that well
No more flu shots or antibiotics
You’re supposed to still be sick my friend
In the future they say we’re gonna live
180 years, or 200
And you know they’ll be some jerk going around pointing
Saying you’re supposed to be dead, supposed to be dead
Disgrace by hint and suspicion
It’s point and cast a cloud of instant shame
And the president stamps the witch hunt with approval
And McCarthy gets sent back into the game
I’d like to now make a statement
I’d like to make a statement now
For a three-year period I was taking steroids
And my songs for that time are now in doubt
I apologize to my family
I apologize to you, the fans
I apologize to the very craft of songwriting
I’ll take my punishment with all the grace I can
God Said No and Black Tornado, throw ‘em out
I wrote them while the juice was in my veins
Everything I’ve sung since Fuck the Monkey
Go ahead and throw it down the drain
Imagine a world where everyone’s taking something
Imagine such a world then just for fun
Imagine the president’s taking smart pills
That’d be even better than 73 home runs
Disgrace by hint and suspicion
It’s point and cast a cloud of instant shame
And the president stamps the witch hunt with approval
And McCarthy gets sent back into the game
If Barry Bonds is really taking something
To hit make him hit more homers than before
They gotta throw him out of the game, sir
They gotta throw him out the door
Then burn the porn films with all the girls with implants
Burn the poetry by men who took lithium as boys
Your erection compliments of Levitra
Is hereby rendered null and soft and void
Then rip the contact lenses from your eyes, sir
You’re not really supposed to see naturally that well
No more flu shots or antibiotics
You’re supposed to still be sick my friend
In the future they say we’re gonna live
180 years, or 200
And you know they’ll be some jerk going around pointing
Saying you’re supposed to be dead, supposed to be dead
Disgrace by hint and suspicion
It’s point and cast a cloud of instant shame
And the president stamps the witch hunt with approval
And McCarthy gets sent back into the game
I’d like to now make a statement
I’d like to make a statement now
For a three-year period I was taking steroids
And my songs for that time are now in doubt
I apologize to my family
I apologize to you, the fans
I apologize to the very craft of songwriting
I’ll take my punishment with all the grace I can
God Said No and Black Tornado, throw ‘em out
I wrote them while the juice was in my veins
Everything I’ve sung since Fuck the Monkey
Go ahead and throw it down the drain
Imagine a world where everyone’s taking something
Imagine such a world then just for fun
Imagine the president’s taking smart pills
That’d be even better than 73 home runs
Disgrace by hint and suspicion
It’s point and cast a cloud of instant shame
And the president stamps the witch hunt with approval
And McCarthy gets sent back into the game
Lieberman is McCain with a scalier vaginal canal.
Wildebeest |
12.04.04 - 10:10 pm | #
McCain is Lieberman without the balls.
Lieberman is McCain with a scalier vaginal canal.
Wildebeest |
12.04.04 - 10:10 pm | #
How about restoring the integrity of American presidential elections?
Just a thought.
Sweet Sue |
12.04.04 - 10:11 pm | #
How about restoring the integrity of American presidential elections?
Just a thought.
Sweet Sue |
12.04.04 - 10:11 pm | #
How about taking the steroids away from Rumsfeld and the neocons?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:15 pm | #
How about taking the steroids away from Rumsfeld and the neocons?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:15 pm | #
I truly miss the days when, as an example, my hero Al Kaline would never have considered using drugs. It was a point of pride to compete to the best of your ability.
Of course, Al wasn't playing for an obscene-plus-two paycheck.
Part of the reason Al Kaline "never played for an obscene-plus-two paycheck" is that free agency didn't even sort of start until 1976 after Messersmith and McNally won their cases against the reserve clause in December of 1975.
Al Kaline retired after the 1974 season. His best years came before there was even a functioning players union. (I believe Marvin Miller took over in 1966, which would be the year before Kaline, at the age of 32, had his last great season.
He also managed to get out before the Pete Rose / Randy Lerch "greenies" scandal; but greenies were all the rage in Major League Baseball in the 60s and 70s before the players got some control over their places of employment.
Rose, for one, was big on the greenies:
There might be some day when you played a doubleheader the night before, and you go to the ballpark for a Sunday game, and you just want to take a diet pill, just to mentally think you are up. You won't be up, but mentally you might think you are up.
Does it help your game?
It won't help your game, but it will help you mentally. When you help yourself mentally, it might help your game.
You keep saying you might take a greenie. Would you? Have you?
Yeah, I'd do it. I've done it.
I don't know how much, if any beer Al Kaline drank. I don't know if he used amphetamines like a lot of the guys around him.
I wouldn't assume he did, lacking any proof.
On the other hand, he wasn't real outspoken against it that I know of.
The past isn't what it used to be.
16 |
12.04.04 - 10:21 pm | #
I truly miss the days when, as an example, my hero Al Kaline would never have considered using drugs. It was a point of pride to compete to the best of your ability.
Of course, Al wasn't playing for an obscene-plus-two paycheck.
Part of the reason Al Kaline "never played for an obscene-plus-two paycheck" is that free agency didn't even sort of start until 1976 after Messersmith and McNally won their cases against the reserve clause in December of 1975.
Al Kaline retired after the 1974 season. His best years came before there was even a functioning players union. (I believe Marvin Miller took over in 1966, which would be the year before Kaline, at the age of 32, had his last great season.
He also managed to get out before the Pete Rose / Randy Lerch "greenies" scandal; but greenies were all the rage in Major League Baseball in the 60s and 70s before the players got some control over their places of employment.
Rose, for one, was big on the greenies:
There might be some day when you played a doubleheader the night before, and you go to the ballpark for a Sunday game, and you just want to take a diet pill, just to mentally think you are up. You won't be up, but mentally you might think you are up.
Does it help your game?
It won't help your game, but it will help you mentally. When you help yourself mentally, it might help your game.
You keep saying you might take a greenie. Would you? Have you?
Yeah, I'd do it. I've done it.
I don't know how much, if any beer Al Kaline drank. I don't know if he used amphetamines like a lot of the guys around him.
I wouldn't assume he did, lacking any proof.
On the other hand, he wasn't real outspoken against it that I know of.
The past isn't what it used to be.
16 |
12.04.04 - 10:21 pm | #
I liked when they asked Bill Lee what he thought of mandatory drug testing and he said something like, "I dunno - I've tested a lot of drugs, but I don't think it should be mandatory."
Or when Tug McGraw was asked whether he preferred grass or astroturf and he said, "I don't know - I've never smoked astroturf."
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:25 pm | #
I liked when they asked Bill Lee what he thought of mandatory drug testing and he said something like, "I dunno - I've tested a lot of drugs, but I don't think it should be mandatory."
Or when Tug McGraw was asked whether he preferred grass or astroturf and he said, "I don't know - I've never smoked astroturf."
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:25 pm | #
McCain's is in full campaign mode already. The inaugural hasn't even happened yet and he's already gone up to New Hampshire to chat up the Repub delegates.
I couldn't understand why he didn't stand up for his "pal" John Kerry. I was outraged by the way he whored himself at the "Masquerade Ball."
Now his actions make perfect sense to me. He couldn't stand up for Kerry and then run as a Republican in 2008: If Kerry won, how would he then run against the guy he risked everything to endorse? And if Kerry lost, McCain could never run again as a Republican. As a moderate he'll need a couple of value-packed issues behind him to woo the fundies; this one is tailor made for him as it appeals to moderates, too.
It's actually a very smart political move. I hope his campaign sinks like a stone.
Gayle |
12.04.04 - 10:26 pm | #
McCain's is in full campaign mode already. The inaugural hasn't even happened yet and he's already gone up to New Hampshire to chat up the Repub delegates.
I couldn't understand why he didn't stand up for his "pal" John Kerry. I was outraged by the way he whored himself at the "Masquerade Ball."
Now his actions make perfect sense to me. He couldn't stand up for Kerry and then run as a Republican in 2008: If Kerry won, how would he then run against the guy he risked everything to endorse? And if Kerry lost, McCain could never run again as a Republican. As a moderate he'll need a couple of value-packed issues behind him to woo the fundies; this one is tailor made for him as it appeals to moderates, too.
It's actually a very smart political move. I hope his campaign sinks like a stone.
Gayle |
12.04.04 - 10:26 pm | #
McCain can kiss my ass. Yet another political whore that puts personal gain above principal and integrity.
What a fool I was to think he had both at one time.
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 10:29 pm | #
McCain can kiss my ass. Yet another political whore that puts personal gain above principal and integrity.
What a fool I was to think he had both at one time.
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 10:29 pm | #
Is banning steroids from baseball something that Democrats are likely to oppose? Anything that sounds good to most Americans (including me, to be honest), but which is opposed by Democrats, is just pure gold.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:30 pm | #
Is banning steroids from baseball something that Democrats are likely to oppose? Anything that sounds good to most Americans (including me, to be honest), but which is opposed by Democrats, is just pure gold.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:30 pm | #
McCain: once interesting, now pitiful loser whore.
Barry Bonds, cheater, totally emblematic of our society. Not fit to wipe my child Giants hero Willie Mays' ass. Same with Mark McGwire, fucking cheating assholes. We need to look to some other country for honest achievers anymore. We are in a Matrix of total corruption.
Sharkbabe |
12.04.04 - 10:37 pm | #
McCain: once interesting, now pitiful loser whore.
Barry Bonds, cheater, totally emblematic of our society. Not fit to wipe my child Giants hero Willie Mays' ass. Same with Mark McGwire, fucking cheating assholes. We need to look to some other country for honest achievers anymore. We are in a Matrix of total corruption.
Sharkbabe |
12.04.04 - 10:37 pm | #
McCain's is in full campaign mode already.
I agree with this, but I don't know what McCain's thinking. If I were him, I would have taken Kerry's VP slot. I don't see him being elected president in '08.
By then, the guy will be what, 70 years old or something? Plus, he'll have to get through the Repub. primary, and it's important to remember that McCain isn't nearly as popular with Repubs as he is with Democrats, who, irrationally, constitute the bulk of his fan base (never understood the attraction, myself).
McCain has a huge hurdle, which is the fact that he has been effectively demonized by Bush & Rove, with the help of Rush and Hannity and others. Pat Robertson actually described McCain as "a fire-breathing liberal". It's bullshit, of course, but how can Rush et al go from this kind of rhetoric vis-a-vis McCain to the kind of hero-worship that they tend to rely on in presidential campaigns.
I agree with this, but I don't know what McCain's thinking. If I were him, I would have taken Kerry's VP slot. I don't see him being elected president in '08.
By then, the guy will be what, 70 years old or something? Plus, he'll have to get through the Repub. primary, and it's important to remember that McCain isn't nearly as popular with Repubs as he is with Democrats, who, irrationally, constitute the bulk of his fan base (never understood the attraction, myself).
McCain has a huge hurdle, which is the fact that he has been effectively demonized by Bush & Rove, with the help of Rush and Hannity and others. Pat Robertson actually described McCain as "a fire-breathing liberal". It's bullshit, of course, but how can Rush et al go from this kind of rhetoric vis-a-vis McCain to the kind of hero-worship that they tend to rely on in presidential campaigns.
Is banning steroids from baseball something that Democrats are likely to oppose?
Eli:
Steroids are banned from baseball.
16 |
12.04.04 - 10:44 pm | #
Is banning steroids from baseball something that Democrats are likely to oppose?
Eli:
Steroids are banned from baseball.
16 |
12.04.04 - 10:44 pm | #
McCain is dead in the water, for sure.
And by the way, what ever happened to all the rethug yapping about "Git big gubmint off my back"? AW, hell, this pack of dogs is sniffin' in your bidness every which way you can think of. Your sex life your family life, what you watch on TV...it's exhausting.
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 10:45 pm | #
McCain is dead in the water, for sure.
And by the way, what ever happened to all the rethug yapping about "Git big gubmint off my back"? AW, hell, this pack of dogs is sniffin' in your bidness every which way you can think of. Your sex life your family life, what you watch on TV...it's exhausting.
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 10:45 pm | #
Right, sorry, I forgot for some strange reason...
Is actually *enforcing* the ban on steroids something that Democrats are likely to oppose?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:49 pm | #
Right, sorry, I forgot for some strange reason...
Is actually *enforcing* the ban on steroids something that Democrats are likely to oppose?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 10:49 pm | #
Oh and another thing - FUCK BASEBALL. Huckster bullshit "america's pastime" - welfare for GW Bushes of the world. They're finally bringing baseball back to my DC 30 years after the last rich asshole took it to another town (our Senators became the Texas Rangers thanks to a rich white asshole named Bob Short. This ultimately helped Chimpy become the most powerful individual in the world after raping the citizens of Arlington Texas. I rest my case.)
Now our mayor Tony Williams has got the Expos to be DC's new team. All the usual Tony Sopranos are exulting, with all this gag-inducing rhetoric. Nothing incenses me more than these rich white welfare queens still scamming this scam. DC closed its only public hospital last year, schools in tatters, etc. Yet baseball owners aren't rich enough, they need our tax dollars for new stadia, god I hate these bastards and tony williams and "baseball/innocence/america" bullshit. Fucking robber barons.
Sharkbabe |
12.04.04 - 10:53 pm | #
Oh and another thing - FUCK BASEBALL. Huckster bullshit "america's pastime" - welfare for GW Bushes of the world. They're finally bringing baseball back to my DC 30 years after the last rich asshole took it to another town (our Senators became the Texas Rangers thanks to a rich white asshole named Bob Short. This ultimately helped Chimpy become the most powerful individual in the world after raping the citizens of Arlington Texas. I rest my case.)
Now our mayor Tony Williams has got the Expos to be DC's new team. All the usual Tony Sopranos are exulting, with all this gag-inducing rhetoric. Nothing incenses me more than these rich white welfare queens still scamming this scam. DC closed its only public hospital last year, schools in tatters, etc. Yet baseball owners aren't rich enough, they need our tax dollars for new stadia, god I hate these bastards and tony williams and "baseball/innocence/america" bullshit. Fucking robber barons.
Sharkbabe |
12.04.04 - 10:53 pm | #
If McCain ever wants his campaign to make it past the primaries, he better switch parties.
Zach |
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12.04.04 - 10:54 pm | #
If McCain ever wants his campaign to make it past the primaries, he better switch parties.
Zach |
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12.04.04 - 10:54 pm | #
why is McCain so concerned about steroids
Well, McCain's potential rival for 2008, Arnold Schwarzenegger has admitted using steroids. McCain gets some attention now, and may think he'll position himself better in case he has to face off with Arnold later. Of course, it's a moot point--the fundies who own their party won't give either of them the nomination.
shemp |
12.04.04 - 10:56 pm | #
why is McCain so concerned about steroids
Well, McCain's potential rival for 2008, Arnold Schwarzenegger has admitted using steroids. McCain gets some attention now, and may think he'll position himself better in case he has to face off with Arnold later. Of course, it's a moot point--the fundies who own their party won't give either of them the nomination.
shemp |
12.04.04 - 10:56 pm | #
Eli,
Baseball is a business, and steriod use is illegal. The buisness interests should be enforcing their own rules and the players have been using these drugs practically in plain sight for a long time.
It is High-larious to think it should take an act of farkin' Congress to get baseball to clean up it's act. Bu$h has blown every lid off everything that used to distinguish Rethugs from Dems. And those dumb turds LOVE him. Oy oy oy.
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 11:01 pm | #
Eli,
Baseball is a business, and steriod use is illegal. The buisness interests should be enforcing their own rules and the players have been using these drugs practically in plain sight for a long time.
It is High-larious to think it should take an act of farkin' Congress to get baseball to clean up it's act. Bu$h has blown every lid off everything that used to distinguish Rethugs from Dems. And those dumb turds LOVE him. Oy oy oy.
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 11:01 pm | #
This is definitely a crowd pleaser. Much like I think the Mission To Mars was supposed to be...
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:03 pm | #
This is definitely a crowd pleaser. Much like I think the Mission To Mars was supposed to be...
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:03 pm | #
Zack,
We don't want that whore!
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 11:04 pm | #
Zack,
We don't want that whore!
bigvic |
12.04.04 - 11:04 pm | #
Where I *think* this is a wedge, is labor relations. The MLBPA have been fighting steroid testing tooth & nail (the "business interests" are trying to get rid of the steroids, or at least pretending to), and the Dems are traditionally the pro-union party, so if the Dems come to the defense of the player's union, they play right into the Republicans' hands.
And this really is an issue that baseball should be allowed to work out internally. The fans will vote with their feet, in one direction or the other.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:06 pm | #
Where I *think* this is a wedge, is labor relations. The MLBPA have been fighting steroid testing tooth & nail (the "business interests" are trying to get rid of the steroids, or at least pretending to), and the Dems are traditionally the pro-union party, so if the Dems come to the defense of the player's union, they play right into the Republicans' hands.
And this really is an issue that baseball should be allowed to work out internally. The fans will vote with their feet, in one direction or the other.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:06 pm | #
the reason Congress feels like they can stick their nose in baseball's business, is that the Supremes granted MLB an exemption from anti-trust regulations, in what is widely regarded as a very flawed ruling. Nevertheless it has never been overturned. (Baseball is the only sport that has such an exemption)
What's more, in 1972 the Supremes ruled that it was up to Congress to change the MLB anti-trust exemption. So, Congress from time to time feels that it can tell baseball to clean up its act in this area or that, under the threat of moving to revoke the exemption if Congress were to be sufficiently annoyed or outraged with MLB.
Revocation of the anti-trust exemption would primarily affect the ability of MLB to govern the relocation of franchises - that is, they would essentially lose it. Loss of other parts of the anti-trust exemption could/would drastically change the minor league system. Farm clubs could exist independent of any affiliation with a major league club, and there could be something approaching a free market where major league clubs would have to purchase or trade for players from minor league clubs.
renato |
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12.04.04 - 11:07 pm | #
the reason Congress feels like they can stick their nose in baseball's business, is that the Supremes granted MLB an exemption from anti-trust regulations, in what is widely regarded as a very flawed ruling. Nevertheless it has never been overturned. (Baseball is the only sport that has such an exemption)
What's more, in 1972 the Supremes ruled that it was up to Congress to change the MLB anti-trust exemption. So, Congress from time to time feels that it can tell baseball to clean up its act in this area or that, under the threat of moving to revoke the exemption if Congress were to be sufficiently annoyed or outraged with MLB.
Revocation of the anti-trust exemption would primarily affect the ability of MLB to govern the relocation of franchises - that is, they would essentially lose it. Loss of other parts of the anti-trust exemption could/would drastically change the minor league system. Farm clubs could exist independent of any affiliation with a major league club, and there could be something approaching a free market where major league clubs would have to purchase or trade for players from minor league clubs.
renato |
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12.04.04 - 11:07 pm | #
If McCain ever wants his campaign to make it past the primaries, he better switch parties.
I would have said the same thing before this year's campaign. Now, he's cooked on either side. All a Dem primary opponent would have to do is run commercials showing McCain on stage with Bush, endorsing him at the convention, etc. Dems -- especially the hard-core ones -- obviously hate the bejesus out of Bush (& rightly so), and they're not likely to look kindly on that.
This is definitely a crowd pleaser. Much like I think the Mission To Mars was supposed to be...
I'm convinced that the intention behind the Mars thing was driving home Rove's idea of Bush as inspiring, optimistic leader, with grand initiatives, etc. etc., like JFK with the moon-landing thing. Rove probably expected -- and not without good reason -- that Tweety, Andrea Mitchell, and the other talking-head morons to see it as an example of the President's bold vision.
Didn't work, but it didn't do him much harm either.
.
Zolofter |
12.04.04 - 11:15 pm | #
If McCain ever wants his campaign to make it past the primaries, he better switch parties.
I would have said the same thing before this year's campaign. Now, he's cooked on either side. All a Dem primary opponent would have to do is run commercials showing McCain on stage with Bush, endorsing him at the convention, etc. Dems -- especially the hard-core ones -- obviously hate the bejesus out of Bush (& rightly so), and they're not likely to look kindly on that.
This is definitely a crowd pleaser. Much like I think the Mission To Mars was supposed to be...
I'm convinced that the intention behind the Mars thing was driving home Rove's idea of Bush as inspiring, optimistic leader, with grand initiatives, etc. etc., like JFK with the moon-landing thing. Rove probably expected -- and not without good reason -- that Tweety, Andrea Mitchell, and the other talking-head morons to see it as an example of the President's bold vision.
Didn't work, but it didn't do him much harm either.
.
Zolofter |
12.04.04 - 11:15 pm | #
Well, nothing does him much harm, because anything remotely embarrassing is disappeared down the memory hole toot sweet, and all of a sudden it never happened.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:20 pm | #
Well, nothing does him much harm, because anything remotely embarrassing is disappeared down the memory hole toot sweet, and all of a sudden it never happened.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:20 pm | #
Man, the vast majority of these posts are crass and rude.
I can really see why we lost.
You guys just dont get it. The GOP is inhabited by believers. The are not post-modern screw-it-all people.
And yes they dont want baseball hurt by steroids.
Ever hear of baseball, mom and apple pie?
Look at yourselves and behold why our party imploded in on itself. People cant relate to a bunch of foul mouthed, irreverent, disrepectful, cynical people.
And what the heck was that first post and how could you take that as a joke, Pie?
chuck |
12.04.04 - 11:22 pm | #
Man, the vast majority of these posts are crass and rude.
I can really see why we lost.
You guys just dont get it. The GOP is inhabited by believers. The are not post-modern screw-it-all people.
And yes they dont want baseball hurt by steroids.
Ever hear of baseball, mom and apple pie?
Look at yourselves and behold why our party imploded in on itself. People cant relate to a bunch of foul mouthed, irreverent, disrepectful, cynical people.
And what the heck was that first post and how could you take that as a joke, Pie?
chuck |
12.04.04 - 11:22 pm | #
I can't wait for pigboy Rush to comment...
vio blee |
12.04.04 - 11:23 pm | #
I can't wait for pigboy Rush to comment...
vio blee |
12.04.04 - 11:23 pm | #
Why is everyone so upset. No one in this whole God forsaken country plays by the rules anymore. "Fuck you and your rules," the woman told me who pranced out of her car with the handicapped sign hanging from the mirror.
The majority of people in this country, from pigs who throw wrappers on the ground all the way up (or down) to the Enron assholes think rules are for someone else. But somehow a bunch of dumb jocks are supposed to be better than everyone else?
tbone |
12.04.04 - 11:30 pm | #
Why is everyone so upset. No one in this whole God forsaken country plays by the rules anymore. "Fuck you and your rules," the woman told me who pranced out of her car with the handicapped sign hanging from the mirror.
The majority of people in this country, from pigs who throw wrappers on the ground all the way up (or down) to the Enron assholes think rules are for someone else. But somehow a bunch of dumb jocks are supposed to be better than everyone else?
tbone |
12.04.04 - 11:30 pm | #
Look at yourselves and behold why our --
Yeah, right, "our." Thanks for playing, brownshirt. Johnny, get him the fuck out of here...
dave |
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12.04.04 - 11:30 pm | #
Look at yourselves and behold why our --
Yeah, right, "our." Thanks for playing, brownshirt. Johnny, get him the fuck out of here...
dave |
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12.04.04 - 11:30 pm | #
Dave, if I ever start my own blog, can I hire you as a bouncer?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:34 pm | #
Dave, if I ever start my own blog, can I hire you as a bouncer?
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:34 pm | #
My dry cunt itches.
The viscous dishcharge stinks too.
pie |
12.04.04 - 11:40 pm | #
My dry cunt itches.
The viscous dishcharge stinks too.
pie |
12.04.04 - 11:40 pm | #
looks like our trolls are dateless again on Saturday night, what a surprise...
renato |
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12.04.04 - 11:46 pm | #
looks like our trolls are dateless again on Saturday night, what a surprise...
renato |
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12.04.04 - 11:46 pm | #
I just don't know how the womenfolk can resist that kind of onslaught of charm.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:52 pm | #
I just don't know how the womenfolk can resist that kind of onslaught of charm.
Eli |
12.04.04 - 11:52 pm | #
Who gives a shit whether these people use steroids?
Does steroid use result in the death of fans?
Why are the feds wasting time on a private sector matter like this?
It's for the teams to decide whether a player uses steroids or not. They can fire'em or mandate they go to rehab. Does this warrant the congress wasting the taxpayers time and money legislating something that has absolutely no effect on the nation?
If Bonds or whomever wants to pump up then let'em. It might even make the game more interesting.
McCain should shut the f*ck up and go back hugging and kissing on his bestest buddy Georgie boy.
Who gives a shit whether these people use steroids?
Does steroid use result in the death of fans?
Why are the feds wasting time on a private sector matter like this?
It's for the teams to decide whether a player uses steroids or not. They can fire'em or mandate they go to rehab. Does this warrant the congress wasting the taxpayers time and money legislating something that has absolutely no effect on the nation?
If Bonds or whomever wants to pump up then let'em. It might even make the game more interesting.
McCain should shut the f*ck up and go back hugging and kissing on his bestest buddy Georgie boy.
I agree with this, but I don't know what McCain's thinking. If I were him, I would have taken Kerry's VP slot. I don't see him being elected president in '08.
I also doubt he would win. Re: the VP thing, my guess is that it would have been a total loser for him. If Kerry lost, the Dems. could blame the loss on McCain (& they probably wouldn't cotton up to him afterwards even if they didn't outright blame him), so he wouldn't have gained significant support from the Dems. and he couldn't have gone back to the Repubs., either.
If Kerry had won, well, McCain is a notoriously horrible team player, and what is a VP who isn't a team player? A walking disaster is what that VP is. Think of how often he gets to be interviewed saying whatever opinion he has. How many VP's get to do that?
No, he would have been a horrible VP.
oddjob |
12.05.04 - 12:04 am | #
McCain's is in full campaign mode already.
I agree with this, but I don't know what McCain's thinking. If I were him, I would have taken Kerry's VP slot. I don't see him being elected president in '08.
I also doubt he would win. Re: the VP thing, my guess is that it would have been a total loser for him. If Kerry lost, the Dems. could blame the loss on McCain (& they probably wouldn't cotton up to him afterwards even if they didn't outright blame him), so he wouldn't have gained significant support from the Dems. and he couldn't have gone back to the Repubs., either.
If Kerry had won, well, McCain is a notoriously horrible team player, and what is a VP who isn't a team player? A walking disaster is what that VP is. Think of how often he gets to be interviewed saying whatever opinion he has. How many VP's get to do that?
No, he would have been a horrible VP.
oddjob |
12.05.04 - 12:04 am | #
Since it's the players' union that's resisting this, what exactly can Congress do? I don't see how threatening the antitrust exemption really weakens the union.
Unless McCain thinks the owners aren't really trying all that hard to deflate their marquee players.
Eli |
12.05.04 - 12:05 am | #
Since it's the players' union that's resisting this, what exactly can Congress do? I don't see how threatening the antitrust exemption really weakens the union.
Unless McCain thinks the owners aren't really trying all that hard to deflate their marquee players.
Eli |
12.05.04 - 12:05 am | #
McCain is a sick, sick man. Much as I hate to agree with the Bush 2000 campaign the VC really did fuck him up. Looking to stop the torture/humiliation he'd do something/anything to please those torturing him. That's the core reason for his trying to "please" Georgie during the election. He needs to grovel at the feet of those who have/can hurt him, playing for their favors, stopping the pain.
He should go home. Be quiet. Get help.
We, and America, should ignore him.
bb |
12.05.04 - 12:15 am | #
McCain is a sick, sick man. Much as I hate to agree with the Bush 2000 campaign the VC really did fuck him up. Looking to stop the torture/humiliation he'd do something/anything to please those torturing him. That's the core reason for his trying to "please" Georgie during the election. He needs to grovel at the feet of those who have/can hurt him, playing for their favors, stopping the pain.
He should go home. Be quiet. Get help.
We, and America, should ignore him.
bb |
12.05.04 - 12:15 am | #
Not dateless or drunk. There is a difference between those folks that used to vote with us and now find Bush(!) credible.
The "values" thing is partly about people who believe and those who don't. Most of the ones who still believe in something actually go to church, listen to baseball, live in little towns....(Insert fuzzy photo montage with flags and cub scouts here)
Go ahead and burn the bridges, and call middle americans stupid, and they will continue to gravitate to a party that they have great reservations about but one which doesn't diqualify itself through disrespect.
There needs to be a place for happy, simple folks. A message, some hope, optimism, a sense of their worth as individuals.
Now, will you spit in a thoughtful democrat's face?
chuck |
12.05.04 - 12:25 am | #
Not dateless or drunk. There is a difference between those folks that used to vote with us and now find Bush(!) credible.
The "values" thing is partly about people who believe and those who don't. Most of the ones who still believe in something actually go to church, listen to baseball, live in little towns....(Insert fuzzy photo montage with flags and cub scouts here)
Go ahead and burn the bridges, and call middle americans stupid, and they will continue to gravitate to a party that they have great reservations about but one which doesn't diqualify itself through disrespect.
There needs to be a place for happy, simple folks. A message, some hope, optimism, a sense of their worth as individuals.
Now, will you spit in a thoughtful democrat's face?
chuck |
12.05.04 - 12:25 am | #
Your hubbie tells you, pie? My, oh my. What are YOUR thoughts?
Would you want someone to hit home runs by nature or steroids?
Morons.
Jump on Sen. McCain, because he didn't follow me down the memory hole.
Can we spit in *this* guy's face, chuck?
Eli |
12.05.04 - 1:01 am | #
Can we spit in *this* guy's face, chuck?
Eli |
12.05.04 - 1:01 am | #
I don't get it. Anyway, I've gone off to bed and I'm sleeping now.
chuck |
12.05.04 - 1:03 am | #
I don't get it. Anyway, I've gone off to bed and I'm sleeping now.
chuck |
12.05.04 - 1:03 am | #
Antitrust exemption, anyone?
Baseball is a regulated monopoly. The government is *already* involved. And, really, do you think anyone could do a worse job of handling baseball's drug issues than the government?
Are you insane? |
12.05.04 - 1:12 am | #
Antitrust exemption, anyone?
Baseball is a regulated monopoly. The government is *already* involved. And, really, do you think anyone could do a worse job of handling baseball's drug issues than the government?
Are you insane? |
12.05.04 - 1:12 am | #
Well, McCain's potential rival for 2008, Arnold Schwarzenegger has admitted using steroids.
Not going to happen. They'd have to drive an amendment through in no more than 3 years; Arnie's not going to get any financial backing if there's no chance of him being eligible, and the presidential campaign process takes at least a year.
You need 38 states to ratify the amendment: there are 29 with either Democratic-controlled state houses or split between the two chambers (19 under full control, 10 split).
This came up when Granholme was being mentioned, before Arnold won the California governorship and was tagged as a politician. In that case, the Republicans controlled enough states that there was no chance of it going through.
My guess is the only time you're going to be able to pass an amendment is when there is no obvious non-native born rising star on either the Republican or Democratic side. Of course, in such a case there won't be any motivation to amend it either.
What's probably going to happen is that someone like Arnold is going to be the cause of the amendment being proposed, but it won't be ratified
until it's considered "safe" by both parties.
Keith |
12.05.04 - 1:46 am | #
Well, McCain's potential rival for 2008, Arnold Schwarzenegger has admitted using steroids.
Not going to happen. They'd have to drive an amendment through in no more than 3 years; Arnie's not going to get any financial backing if there's no chance of him being eligible, and the presidential campaign process takes at least a year.
You need 38 states to ratify the amendment: there are 29 with either Democratic-controlled state houses or split between the two chambers (19 under full control, 10 split).
This came up when Granholme was being mentioned, before Arnold won the California governorship and was tagged as a politician. In that case, the Republicans controlled enough states that there was no chance of it going through.
My guess is the only time you're going to be able to pass an amendment is when there is no obvious non-native born rising star on either the Republican or Democratic side. Of course, in such a case there won't be any motivation to amend it either.
What's probably going to happen is that someone like Arnold is going to be the cause of the amendment being proposed, but it won't be ratified
until it's considered "safe" by both parties.
Keith |
12.05.04 - 1:46 am | #
Baseball is sacred because it sprang, fully formed from the Mind of the Diety to be gifted unto all of mankind and it took eons for mankind to grasp the true power and magic of the game.
Thus it must remain sacred at all costs. This is a blessing bestowed upon us and we must not taint it as all else has been tainted.
Mimiru |
12.05.04 - 2:06 am | #
Baseball is sacred because it sprang, fully formed from the Mind of the Diety to be gifted unto all of mankind and it took eons for mankind to grasp the true power and magic of the game.
Thus it must remain sacred at all costs. This is a blessing bestowed upon us and we must not taint it as all else has been tainted.
Mimiru |
12.05.04 - 2:06 am | #
What's McCain hiding in his cheeks?
The Liberal Avenger |
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12.05.04 - 2:14 am | #
What's McCain hiding in his cheeks?
The Liberal Avenger |
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12.05.04 - 2:14 am | #
Maybe *that's* where they went!
Eli |
12.05.04 - 2:24 am | #
Maybe *that's* where they went!
Eli |
12.05.04 - 2:24 am | #
Anybody who watches this stuff is contributing to the continued enslavement of Americans by their own appetites for irrelevant entertainment.
Yeah, I know I read for pleasure, but that's different. Ha ha ha.
Anyway, McCain should mind his own fucking business but he's too busy carrying water for Bush. Anytime McCain shoots off his mouth these days it's just to distract attention from Bush's failure in Iraq.
Now, why would McCain let Bush trash his wife and child in the presidential primary and then hug him onstage and do his bidding?
The guy must be up to his eyeballs in political debt of some kind. I just wonder what it is.
Jon R. Koppenhoefer |
12.05.04 - 2:35 am | #
Anybody who watches this stuff is contributing to the continued enslavement of Americans by their own appetites for irrelevant entertainment.
Yeah, I know I read for pleasure, but that's different. Ha ha ha.
Anyway, McCain should mind his own fucking business but he's too busy carrying water for Bush. Anytime McCain shoots off his mouth these days it's just to distract attention from Bush's failure in Iraq.
Now, why would McCain let Bush trash his wife and child in the presidential primary and then hug him onstage and do his bidding?
The guy must be up to his eyeballs in political debt of some kind. I just wonder what it is.
Jon R. Koppenhoefer |
12.05.04 - 2:35 am | #
i think McCain is Bush's butt-boy.
garth |
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12.05.04 - 2:53 am | #
i think McCain is Bush's butt-boy.
garth |
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12.05.04 - 2:53 am | #
re: Steroids
What will we tell the children ?
jeff |
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12.05.04 - 3:00 am | #
re: Steroids
What will we tell the children ?
jeff |
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12.05.04 - 3:00 am | #
Baseball is dead( or at least demoralized)
Hockey is dead(or at leaST unconscious)
NBA is fighting thugs
I'm glad to see this post - it actually surprised me that a liberal (I'm guessing??) wanted the government out of the business of regulating something. I'm all for regulating businesses that need a dose of morality, but I've become a big believer in pointing out government's failures - not just Republican failures. So, my new label these days is 'libertarian liberal', or similar. Still working towards that 'anti-capitalist, anarchist' label, because, let's face it, it sounds the coolest.
Bovard's stuff is just too compelling to not call myself some sort of libertarian.
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12.05.04 - 5:39 am | #
I'm glad to see this post - it actually surprised me that a liberal (I'm guessing??) wanted the government out of the business of regulating something. I'm all for regulating businesses that need a dose of morality, but I've become a big believer in pointing out government's failures - not just Republican failures. So, my new label these days is 'libertarian liberal', or similar. Still working towards that 'anti-capitalist, anarchist' label, because, let's face it, it sounds the coolest.
Bovard's stuff is just too compelling to not call myself some sort of libertarian.
Peter |
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12.05.04 - 5:39 am | #
Prediction:
If it's Kerry vs. McCain in 2008 and McCain starts falling behind, he'll use the Swift Boat vets against Kerry without even hesitating.
SWR |
12.05.04 - 6:03 am | #
Prediction:
If it's Kerry vs. McCain in 2008 and McCain starts falling behind, he'll use the Swift Boat vets against Kerry without even hesitating.
SWR |
12.05.04 - 6:03 am | #
Steroids in MLB is just another cheap issue to fling like red meat to the "values" crowd, another wad of chaff thrown up to distract the idiots who hate the gummint but still want it in every bedroom and bathroom.
As for McCain, his complete collapse into Bush's drooling lapdog is so bizarre that I've wondered if he was threatened by Rove with some kind of scandalous revelation. Just to say that he's a whore positioning himself for 2008 doesn't explain his sudden switch. For three years he was sniping at the administration and pretty obviously hated Bush and Rove for what they did to him in 2000. When he finally started campaigning for the Chimp, it seemed like he was holding his nose and gagging.
SG |
12.05.04 - 9:18 am | #
Steroids in MLB is just another cheap issue to fling like red meat to the "values" crowd, another wad of chaff thrown up to distract the idiots who hate the gummint but still want it in every bedroom and bathroom.
As for McCain, his complete collapse into Bush's drooling lapdog is so bizarre that I've wondered if he was threatened by Rove with some kind of scandalous revelation. Just to say that he's a whore positioning himself for 2008 doesn't explain his sudden switch. For three years he was sniping at the administration and pretty obviously hated Bush and Rove for what they did to him in 2000. When he finally started campaigning for the Chimp, it seemed like he was holding his nose and gagging.
SG |
12.05.04 - 9:18 am | #
Anybody who watches this stuff is contributing to the continued enslavement of Americans by their own appetites for irrelevant entertainment.
Please tell me you're joking. Did I miss the memo, or are we now going out of our way to act like stereotypical "liberals" straight out of an Ann Coulter screed?
Yeah, knocking organized sports will win you votes in American politics...
Anybody who watches this stuff is contributing to the continued enslavement of Americans by their own appetites for irrelevant entertainment.
Please tell me you're joking. Did I miss the memo, or are we now going out of our way to act like stereotypical "liberals" straight out of an Ann Coulter screed?
Yeah, knocking organized sports will win you votes in American politics...
But...but pie, Ashcroft himself said that we've won the war on terror! If we don't focus on the important things, like steroid abuse and gay marriage/box turtle sodomizing, then the terrorists win!
Proud Member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarder Divison,
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12.05.04 - 10:19 am | #
But...but pie, Ashcroft himself said that we've won the war on terror! If we don't focus on the important things, like steroid abuse and gay marriage/box turtle sodomizing, then the terrorists win!
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12.05.04 - 10:19 am | #
"Why the concern now" (about drug use).
This would be classic Rove.
Take a potential candidates weakness and basically kill it before it becomes an issue by letting the people maul it to death.
Now would be a good time to ask ourselves what we can do different.
Sky-Ho |
12.05.04 - 10:26 am | #
"Why the concern now" (about drug use).
This would be classic Rove.
Take a potential candidates weakness and basically kill it before it becomes an issue by letting the people maul it to death.
Now would be a good time to ask ourselves what we can do different.
Sky-Ho |
12.05.04 - 10:26 am | #
Pay no attention to the people dying behind that curtain. Or the unemployed and uninsured. Or the uninspected containers being loaded on trucks and trains at U.S. docks. Or the thousands of foreigners protesting our foreign policies in the streets.
Look! Over there! Baseball players using illegal ointments!
cowalker |
12.05.04 - 1:15 pm | #
Pay no attention to the people dying behind that curtain. Or the unemployed and uninsured. Or the uninspected containers being loaded on trucks and trains at U.S. docks. Or the thousands of foreigners protesting our foreign policies in the streets.
Look! Over there! Baseball players using illegal ointments!
cowalker |
12.05.04 - 1:15 pm | #
Just wait until professional sports discovers that they can plant a computer chip inside the body of a player to "enhance" their playing abilities. I think technology will make us long for the days of doping scandals.
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12.05.04 - 2:34 pm | #
Just wait until professional sports discovers that they can plant a computer chip inside the body of a player to "enhance" their playing abilities. I think technology will make us long for the days of doping scandals.
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12.05.04 - 2:34 pm | #
this is just a distraction...from the public that needs thrills and spills to get off...drugs, legal and otherwise mostly otherwise are the biggest money earners in the world...the public is stoned all the time just to be able too stand the modern onslaught of nonsense and drivel that pour forth so abundently in the name of commerce...the real power in this consuming society...sports are nothing
but high dollar entertainment...bigger
badder better...as for mccain...his experience in government is known by the failed election money control act...standing up for aWoljr while USA Troops die daily for the enrichment of
darth cheney and his ilk...mccain is the older version of arnold...well known but still a shill for the thieves...fuck'em all...
romanwalls |
12.05.04 - 5:18 pm | #
this is just a distraction...from the public that needs thrills and spills to get off...drugs, legal and otherwise mostly otherwise are the biggest money earners in the world...the public is stoned all the time just to be able too stand the modern onslaught of nonsense and drivel that pour forth so abundently in the name of commerce...the real power in this consuming society...sports are nothing
but high dollar entertainment...bigger
badder better...as for mccain...his experience in government is known by the failed election money control act...standing up for aWoljr while USA Troops die daily for the enrichment of
darth cheney and his ilk...mccain is the older version of arnold...well known but still a shill for the thieves...fuck'em all...
romanwalls |
12.05.04 - 5:18 pm | #
Uhm, I thought the gov't was doing a better job in just about everything than the private sector. Social Security, Health Care, etc.
Strange Strange post.
Stephen |
12.06.04 - 9:50 am | #
Uhm, I thought the gov't was doing a better job in just about everything than the private sector. Social Security, Health Care, etc.
Strange Strange post.
Stephen |
12.06.04 - 9:50 am | #