Someone suggested joining their group and just supporting whatever show they're protesting. But I'd rather pick Tweety or Hannity and let them have it.
Hecate |
12.11.04 - 7:41 pm | #
Someone suggested joining their group and just supporting whatever show they're protesting. But I'd rather pick Tweety or Hannity and let them have it.
Hecate |
12.11.04 - 7:41 pm | #
Viagra and Enzyte commercials! Pleeeeeaaaase????
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:41 pm | #
Viagra and Enzyte commercials! Pleeeeeaaaase????
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:41 pm | #
Or, Donald Trump, but no way I'm actually watching any "reality" tv. I'll write complaints, though.
Hecate |
12.11.04 - 7:42 pm | #
Or, Donald Trump, but no way I'm actually watching any "reality" tv. I'll write complaints, though.
Hecate |
12.11.04 - 7:42 pm | #
(it's not *that* bad an idea, actually - make 'em choose between DECENCY and pharma)
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:42 pm | #
(it's not *that* bad an idea, actually - make 'em choose between DECENCY and pharma)
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:42 pm | #
What about religious TV? Why are our public airwaves being used to promote religion? And not just religion in general, but just one very narrow-minded view of Christianity.
Stinky |
12.11.04 - 7:42 pm | #
What about religious TV? Why are our public airwaves being used to promote religion? And not just religion in general, but just one very narrow-minded view of Christianity.
Stinky |
12.11.04 - 7:42 pm | #
It's not an unreasonable thing to feel, but I think it's a bad idea. We'd just be feeding the monster that is the FCC's idea that it has any role as gatekeeper to broadcast content.
SJ |
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12.11.04 - 7:43 pm | #
It's not an unreasonable thing to feel, but I think it's a bad idea. We'd just be feeding the monster that is the FCC's idea that it has any role as gatekeeper to broadcast content.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:43 pm | #
Stinky, it's because those public airwaves have been licensed by religious broadcasters. Non-religious noncommercial broadcasters were just as capable of going after the licenses as the churches were. The churches were just better organized, better funded, and better motivated.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:45 pm | #
Stinky, it's because those public airwaves have been licensed by religious broadcasters. Non-religious noncommercial broadcasters were just as capable of going after the licenses as the churches were. The churches were just better organized, better funded, and better motivated.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:45 pm | #
How about policing the smut that is the PAX network?
Tinfoil Hat Boy |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
How about policing the smut that is the PAX network?
Tinfoil Hat Boy |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Oh, yeah, I like the Viagra commercial complaints. That way you strike not only at their need to placate the FCC, but yer hittin' their pocketbook as well. From ridiculous to sublime!
And dammit, they ARE offensive! Four hour hardons and all.
Phredd |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Oh, yeah, I like the Viagra commercial complaints. That way you strike not only at their need to placate the FCC, but yer hittin' their pocketbook as well. From ridiculous to sublime!
And dammit, they ARE offensive! Four hour hardons and all.
Phredd |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Cable TV!
No competition, lousy programming, high priced.
Go for it all.
Lets do it.....someone compose a letter and Atrios you post it. We all copy and send it.....oh wait, Sopranos is on
marcus |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Cable TV!
No competition, lousy programming, high priced.
Go for it all.
Lets do it.....someone compose a letter and Atrios you post it. We all copy and send it.....oh wait, Sopranos is on
marcus |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Fox News. Or any reality TV.
Robert Schumacher |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Fox News. Or any reality TV.
Robert Schumacher |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Flush Limpbag? He begs for it.
DeepEar |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
Flush Limpbag? He begs for it.
DeepEar |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
Star Trek: Enterprise reruns? They encourage the belief that we're not alone in the universe, and that's contrary to God's law that humanity is Chosen...
NTodd |
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12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
Star Trek: Enterprise reruns? They encourage the belief that we're not alone in the universe, and that's contrary to God's law that humanity is Chosen...
NTodd |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
Ann Coulter. We must protest anything she's on. She spreads virulent hatred. She recommends hitting liberals with baseball bats. That trumps any sort of nudity in my value system.
Echidne of the snakes |
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12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
Ann Coulter. We must protest anything she's on. She spreads virulent hatred. She recommends hitting liberals with baseball bats. That trumps any sort of nudity in my value system.
Echidne of the snakes |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
I like Stinky's idea, too.
Hecate |
12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
I remember that Rush was on a "vagina lockbox" kick a while back - I called the station and valiantly and loudly complained.......to the recording machine. I did get an email response though thanking me for contacting them.
I like Stinky's idea, too.
Hecate |
12.11.04 - 7:47 pm | #
I remember that Rush was on a "vagina lockbox" kick a while back - I called the station and valiantly and loudly complained.......to the recording machine. I did get an email response though thanking me for contacting them.
Reality TV. Ugh. I have often daydreamed about how nice it would be if we could censor stuff for just plain sucking.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Reality TV. Ugh. I have often daydreamed about how nice it would be if we could censor stuff for just plain sucking.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Fox doesn't have daytime soaps so they'd escape scrutiny
Poolio |
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12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Fox doesn't have daytime soaps so they'd escape scrutiny
Poolio |
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12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Just FYI, targeting cable channels isn't going to yield much. It's the broadcasters that are subject to the harshest spotlight.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Just FYI, targeting cable channels isn't going to yield much. It's the broadcasters that are subject to the harshest spotlight.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
No, not soaps. How about all the viagra and cialis ads?
Or better yet, let's complain about televised inaugural balls.
All that dancing. You know that dancing is the devil's work. It must be stopped!!
fourlegsgood |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
No, not soaps. How about all the viagra and cialis ads?
Or better yet, let's complain about televised inaugural balls.
All that dancing. You know that dancing is the devil's work. It must be stopped!!
fourlegsgood |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Limbaugh. Hannity. CNN allows Coulter on the air as if she's a normal person. Malkin.
Plenty of obscenity to work with,
EssJay |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Limbaugh. Hannity. CNN allows Coulter on the air as if she's a normal person. Malkin.
Plenty of obscenity to work with,
EssJay |
12.11.04 - 7:48 pm | #
Plus, (with respect to the Viagra commercials) it would be poetic justice for the UCC issue.
This isn't the right way to go. The whole thing is wrong and we're not going to look that good for doing it. We know it's wrong and we don't need to try and use it-knowing us it would backfire.
Why aren't there simply more politicians standing up and complaining about this. It would look much better to list examples in a press conference.
But this issue it too scarey for most politicians.
KevinH |
12.11.04 - 7:50 pm | #
This isn't the right way to go. The whole thing is wrong and we're not going to look that good for doing it. We know it's wrong and we don't need to try and use it-knowing us it would backfire.
Why aren't there simply more politicians standing up and complaining about this. It would look much better to list examples in a press conference.
But this issue it too scarey for most politicians.
KevinH |
12.11.04 - 7:50 pm | #
I'm not sure what a "vagina lockbox" would entail, but I'm in favor of it as long as I have one of the keys.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:50 pm | #
I'm not sure what a "vagina lockbox" would entail, but I'm in favor of it as long as I have one of the keys.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 7:50 pm | #
I'm in Atrios. Tell me where to send the e-mail.
ntk |
12.11.04 - 7:51 pm | #
I'm in Atrios. Tell me where to send the e-mail.
ntk |
12.11.04 - 7:51 pm | #
Has anyone seen the latest Enzyte commercial, where "Smilin' Bob" is the office Santa, and the women are lined up all giggly and eager to sit on his lap?
There's also a brief shot of the "POLE" part of a NORTH POLE sign.
Has anyone seen the latest Enzyte commercial, where "Smilin' Bob" is the office Santa, and the women are lined up all giggly and eager to sit on his lap?
There's also a brief shot of the "POLE" part of a NORTH POLE sign.
The "vagina lockbox" was in some reference to - yep, you guessed it - Hilary. Who knows what point he was trying to make. Whoever really knows.
jimmiraybob |
12.11.04 - 7:52 pm | #
The "vagina lockbox" was in some reference to - yep, you guessed it - Hilary. Who knows what point he was trying to make. Whoever really knows.
jimmiraybob |
12.11.04 - 7:52 pm | #
Seriously, people here really want to encourage the government to get into policing content?
Did someone just jettison the First Amendment from the list of things we hold dear, and not tell me?
SJ |
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12.11.04 - 7:53 pm | #
Seriously, people here really want to encourage the government to get into policing content?
Did someone just jettison the First Amendment from the list of things we hold dear, and not tell me?
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:53 pm | #
I'd say go after the reality violence shows, like Cops or When Animals Attack. It's the kind of breads and circuses trash TV that FOX likes to air. Considering FOX News works as the propaganda arm of the Bush cabal it'd be poetic justice to see the FCC go after their profitable tripe.
puppethead |
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12.11.04 - 7:53 pm | #
I'd say go after the reality violence shows, like Cops or When Animals Attack. It's the kind of breads and circuses trash TV that FOX likes to air. Considering FOX News works as the propaganda arm of the Bush cabal it'd be poetic justice to see the FCC go after their profitable tripe.
puppethead |
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12.11.04 - 7:53 pm | #
What else is declared as nonacceptable in the FCC rules? Other than indecency, I mean. Is there something else we could protest, like the absence of anything that isn't wingnuttery?
Echidne of the snakes |
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12.11.04 - 7:54 pm | #
What else is declared as nonacceptable in the FCC rules? Other than indecency, I mean. Is there something else we could protest, like the absence of anything that isn't wingnuttery?
Echidne of the snakes |
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12.11.04 - 7:54 pm | #
dont target the soaps, the daytime industry is on its last legs as it is.
i would target "SPORTS"
n69n |
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12.11.04 - 7:56 pm | #
dont target the soaps, the daytime industry is on its last legs as it is.
i would target "SPORTS"
n69n |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 7:56 pm | #
How about we go after the FCC itself? on the grounds that the whole commission is obscene and an affront to civilization?
fourlegsgood |
12.11.04 - 7:57 pm | #
How about we go after the FCC itself? on the grounds that the whole commission is obscene and an affront to civilization?
fourlegsgood |
12.11.04 - 7:57 pm | #
FOX FOX FOX!!!
Bender Bending Rodriguez |
12.11.04 - 7:58 pm | #
FOX FOX FOX!!!
Bender Bending Rodriguez |
12.11.04 - 7:58 pm | #
A short primer of the indeceny rules and process can be found at:
Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter.
Any or all.
Mustering 23 complaints should be no problem at all.
Churchy LaFemme |
12.11.04 - 7:59 pm | #
Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter.
Any or all.
Mustering 23 complaints should be no problem at all.
Churchy LaFemme |
12.11.04 - 7:59 pm | #
Please help me...what is Enzyte? Is it another drug in the class of Cialis, Viagra and Levitra?
Deana Holmes |
12.11.04 - 8:00 pm | #
Please help me...what is Enzyte? Is it another drug in the class of Cialis, Viagra and Levitra?
Deana Holmes |
12.11.04 - 8:00 pm | #
I second Fox. They should not be allowed to simultaneously be the righteous champions of family values *and* the money-grubbing purveyors of lowest-common-denominator sleaze.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 8:00 pm | #
I second Fox. They should not be allowed to simultaneously be the righteous champions of family values *and* the money-grubbing purveyors of lowest-common-denominator sleaze.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 8:00 pm | #
I like Stinky's idea, too.
Hecate
I'd like to reiterate I am not opposed to religion per se. But if we show Mass at the Vatican on broadcast TV, or Jimmy Swaggart every Sunday, shouldn't we also show a Jewish religious service on Rosh Hashana or a Pagan ceremony on the Solstice? Or show a regular weekly telecast of a Muslim observance?
How can the public airwaves be used to promote Christianity alone, and ignore other religions?
Stinky |
12.11.04 - 8:02 pm | #
I like Stinky's idea, too.
Hecate
I'd like to reiterate I am not opposed to religion per se. But if we show Mass at the Vatican on broadcast TV, or Jimmy Swaggart every Sunday, shouldn't we also show a Jewish religious service on Rosh Hashana or a Pagan ceremony on the Solstice? Or show a regular weekly telecast of a Muslim observance?
How can the public airwaves be used to promote Christianity alone, and ignore other religions?
Stinky |
12.11.04 - 8:02 pm | #
The link to the FCC primer on indeceny rules and process is in my link below - sorry for the earlier blank.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:02 pm | #
The link to the FCC primer on indeceny rules and process is in my link below - sorry for the earlier blank.
SJ |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:02 pm | #
Yes, Enzyte is the one with the guy with the fixed creepy grin and the happy wife. You know, "This... is Bob." There's a golf one, a pool one, a neighbor one (with the Enzyteless neighbor and his wife looking unhappily at cocktail weenies while visiting Bob's house), and there was a racecar one which suggested to me that they might be trying to reach out to the gay market...
Eli |
12.11.04 - 8:02 pm | #
Yes, Enzyte is the one with the guy with the fixed creepy grin and the happy wife. You know, "This... is Bob." There's a golf one, a pool one, a neighbor one (with the Enzyteless neighbor and his wife looking unhappily at cocktail weenies while visiting Bob's house), and there was a racecar one which suggested to me that they might be trying to reach out to the gay market...
Eli |
12.11.04 - 8:02 pm | #
Indecency only, not political speech.
We should complain about Viagra ads, any mention of erectile dysfunction. How about kotex ads, any feminine hygiene products ads.
Have there been any PSAs for abstinence? They should be attacked too more mentioning sex.
esther |
12.11.04 - 8:04 pm | #
Indecency only, not political speech.
We should complain about Viagra ads, any mention of erectile dysfunction. How about kotex ads, any feminine hygiene products ads.
Have there been any PSAs for abstinence? They should be attacked too more mentioning sex.
esther |
12.11.04 - 8:04 pm | #
I think enzyte is some kind of herbal remedy. And the commercials are way creepy.
I just don't want to think about "Bob" and his creepy wife having sex, thank you.
fourlegsgood |
12.11.04 - 8:05 pm | #
I think enzyte is some kind of herbal remedy. And the commercials are way creepy.
I just don't want to think about "Bob" and his creepy wife having sex, thank you.
fourlegsgood |
12.11.04 - 8:05 pm | #
also, the whole daytime industry is a constant charity fundraising machine, a LOT of people would be hurt...
...& evil ABC daytime president, Brian Frons, is licking his chops to axe ALL MY CHILDREN & ONE LIFE TO LIVE & replace them with daytime reality make-over-shows.
n69n |
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12.11.04 - 8:05 pm | #
also, the whole daytime industry is a constant charity fundraising machine, a LOT of people would be hurt...
...& evil ABC daytime president, Brian Frons, is licking his chops to axe ALL MY CHILDREN & ONE LIFE TO LIVE & replace them with daytime reality make-over-shows.
n69n |
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12.11.04 - 8:05 pm | #
I say we stick with the news on this one, but instead of single letters to the editor, we make it 100,000 letters to the editor. Sheer numbers seem to work with simps like Michael Powell. I'm certainly not in favor of starting some kind of liberal anti-obscenity/bad taste campaign of outrage, I'm all for sex and swearing on TV.
Onceler |
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12.11.04 - 8:07 pm | #
I say we stick with the news on this one, but instead of single letters to the editor, we make it 100,000 letters to the editor. Sheer numbers seem to work with simps like Michael Powell. I'm certainly not in favor of starting some kind of liberal anti-obscenity/bad taste campaign of outrage, I'm all for sex and swearing on TV.
Onceler |
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12.11.04 - 8:07 pm | #
Kinda on topic here....
Is anyone else seeing the commercials for the new movie "Meet the Fockers?"
The voiceover narration repeats the word "Focker" 3 or 4 times in a 30 second commercial, and pronounces it like... well you know. It been on sci fi channel several time in the last 30 minutes, and probably will be again.
Central Scrutinizer |
12.11.04 - 8:07 pm | #
Kinda on topic here....
Is anyone else seeing the commercials for the new movie "Meet the Fockers?"
The voiceover narration repeats the word "Focker" 3 or 4 times in a 30 second commercial, and pronounces it like... well you know. It been on sci fi channel several time in the last 30 minutes, and probably will be again.
Central Scrutinizer |
12.11.04 - 8:07 pm | #
I think I gave Atrios the original idea, but I can't find it. Posting today said that I thought I hoped that they would go after National Geographic - remember the snickering we all did with the Africans in their loincloths and females with no shirts? Wow, that was as good as a teenager could do in them there days.
Sue |
12.11.04 - 8:07 pm | #
I think I gave Atrios the original idea, but I can't find it. Posting today said that I thought I hoped that they would go after National Geographic - remember the snickering we all did with the Africans in their loincloths and females with no shirts? Wow, that was as good as a teenager could do in them there days.
Sue |
12.11.04 - 8:07 pm | #
I vote for going after reality TV such as Fear Factor, or trashy talk shows, on the grounds that they are pornographic, humiliating exploitations of the human participants for purely commercial purposes. They offer nothing in the way of enrichment, intellectual or spiritual, to the viewer. They degrade both the participants and the viewers.
Seriously. Such a complaint would help re-frame the dialogue as to what's really offensive and harmful to the human spirit. It goes the fundies one better while at the same time attacking some truly vile programming.
Jennifer |
12.11.04 - 8:08 pm | #
I vote for going after reality TV such as Fear Factor, or trashy talk shows, on the grounds that they are pornographic, humiliating exploitations of the human participants for purely commercial purposes. They offer nothing in the way of enrichment, intellectual or spiritual, to the viewer. They degrade both the participants and the viewers.
Seriously. Such a complaint would help re-frame the dialogue as to what's really offensive and harmful to the human spirit. It goes the fundies one better while at the same time attacking some truly vile programming.
Jennifer |
12.11.04 - 8:08 pm | #
It's not jettisoning the First Amendment...
it's merely a reflection that these businesses are using my airwaves to make a profit. Part of the deal for allowing them a monopoly on the use of the spectrum is that they have to serve MY interests (or at least the PUBLIC INTEREST, but ya know according to Thatcherism there is no public, just a bunch of individuals, so it's all back to ME ME ME ME and MY INTERESTS!)
So SJ, do you favour dropping FCC licenses and government prosecution of micro broadcasters that might interfere with currently licensed TV broadcasters? Why is the government denying the 1st Amendment rights of individuals to broadcast right over those lame Viagra and PAX propaganda?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 8:08 pm | #
It's not jettisoning the First Amendment...
it's merely a reflection that these businesses are using my airwaves to make a profit. Part of the deal for allowing them a monopoly on the use of the spectrum is that they have to serve MY interests (or at least the PUBLIC INTEREST, but ya know according to Thatcherism there is no public, just a bunch of individuals, so it's all back to ME ME ME ME and MY INTERESTS!)
So SJ, do you favour dropping FCC licenses and government prosecution of micro broadcasters that might interfere with currently licensed TV broadcasters? Why is the government denying the 1st Amendment rights of individuals to broadcast right over those lame Viagra and PAX propaganda?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 8:08 pm | #
I'll have to think about it - I don't ever watch tv during the day, so I don't know what it's like. But I'm sure we can find something.
Tena |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:09 pm | #
I'll have to think about it - I don't ever watch tv during the day, so I don't know what it's like. But I'm sure we can find something.
Tena |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:09 pm | #
This idea doesn't much thrill me, and not just because I don't own a tv.
What these fundie nutz are doing is advocating censorship. I've spent too many years working in libraries (public, academic, law) to be in favor of any kind of censorship.
What we need to do is remind people that they do not HAVE to watch television or movies or whatever form of entertainment is currently offending them. For pete's sake, humans lived quite happily for thousands of years without these things. The fundies can, too.
This idea doesn't much thrill me, and not just because I don't own a tv.
What these fundie nutz are doing is advocating censorship. I've spent too many years working in libraries (public, academic, law) to be in favor of any kind of censorship.
What we need to do is remind people that they do not HAVE to watch television or movies or whatever form of entertainment is currently offending them. For pete's sake, humans lived quite happily for thousands of years without these things. The fundies can, too.
She recently (on Barbara Walters) said that she is happy living in sin with Steadman, will not have or adopt any children, and is as blue is a viagra pill.
She constantly talks about risque subjects that are difficult to explain to children (babies out of wedlock, adultery, teen pregnanies, drug abuse...)
And she spawned Dr. Phil, an equally good candidate for boycotting.
joshowitz |
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12.11.04 - 8:11 pm | #
oprah
She recently (on Barbara Walters) said that she is happy living in sin with Steadman, will not have or adopt any children, and is as blue is a viagra pill.
She constantly talks about risque subjects that are difficult to explain to children (babies out of wedlock, adultery, teen pregnanies, drug abuse...)
And she spawned Dr. Phil, an equally good candidate for boycotting.
joshowitz |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:11 pm | #
The Olympic FCC complaints were probably prompted in part by Howard Stern listeners complaining to the FCC in order to make a point- they'll never fine NBC for the Olympics and they'll never fine Oprah.
They both make perfect targets to show how pointless/useless/evil the FCC is.
McLusky |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:13 pm | #
The Olympic FCC complaints were probably prompted in part by Howard Stern listeners complaining to the FCC in order to make a point- they'll never fine NBC for the Olympics and they'll never fine Oprah.
They both make perfect targets to show how pointless/useless/evil the FCC is.
McLusky |
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12.11.04 - 8:13 pm | #
Why not just cut to the chase and have Elliot Spitzer go after the high profile fundy preachers.
These hucksters are walking targets for ripping the old and frightened for their life savings.
Door Stop |
12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Why not just cut to the chase and have Elliot Spitzer go after the high profile fundy preachers.
These hucksters are walking targets for ripping the old and frightened for their life savings.
Door Stop |
12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Why do you need a "reasonable" target?
Since the entire issue is absurd, it would seem that the best way to illustrate that would be to blanket-object to EVERY PROGRAM AND AD, and come up with a specious reason for complaining about each one.
Use "complaint chaff" to overwhelm their system, in sort of the way metallic chaff would overwhelm a missile defense system.
The point of the exercise shouldn't be to be clever, it should be to pummel the FCC and the stations that kowtow to the FCC by making the situation as intolerable for everyone as possible. If you bury the FCC in complaints, and force them to generate a blizzard of paper to respond to those complaints [and also force the networks to generate a blizzard of tapes and defenses to respond to FCC requests for information] perhaps we will get close to creating a sufficient amount of disorder to stimulate change.
Uncontainable Contempt |
12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Why do you need a "reasonable" target?
Since the entire issue is absurd, it would seem that the best way to illustrate that would be to blanket-object to EVERY PROGRAM AND AD, and come up with a specious reason for complaining about each one.
Use "complaint chaff" to overwhelm their system, in sort of the way metallic chaff would overwhelm a missile defense system.
The point of the exercise shouldn't be to be clever, it should be to pummel the FCC and the stations that kowtow to the FCC by making the situation as intolerable for everyone as possible. If you bury the FCC in complaints, and force them to generate a blizzard of paper to respond to those complaints [and also force the networks to generate a blizzard of tapes and defenses to respond to FCC requests for information] perhaps we will get close to creating a sufficient amount of disorder to stimulate change.
Uncontainable Contempt |
12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
we should protest any Bible-thumping program, especially TBN which does use the public airwaves.
Have you seen what's in that book? Incest, slavery, prostitution, mass murder, genocide...
renato |
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12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
we should protest any Bible-thumping program, especially TBN which does use the public airwaves.
Have you seen what's in that book? Incest, slavery, prostitution, mass murder, genocide...
renato |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Two words: Oprah Winfrey.
Mike |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
Two words: Oprah Winfrey.
Mike |
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12.11.04 - 8:15 pm | #
If enough of us join Bozell's organization we can taint it worse than peeing in his swimming pool.
Any TV preachers that utter the words fornication, homosexual, birth control, abortion, sex, etc should be met with complaints.
Then its time for all the impotence drugs and birth control pills.
Next its any add for beer that has scantily clad bimbos.
Bluto W Bush |
12.11.04 - 8:18 pm | #
If enough of us join Bozell's organization we can taint it worse than peeing in his swimming pool.
Any TV preachers that utter the words fornication, homosexual, birth control, abortion, sex, etc should be met with complaints.
Then its time for all the impotence drugs and birth control pills.
Next its any add for beer that has scantily clad bimbos.
Bluto W Bush |
12.11.04 - 8:18 pm | #
Daytime soap.
It's now available in repeats on cable.
Sexy men and willing women. All beautiful.
Watched by *christians* everywhere.
pie |
12.11.04 - 8:18 pm | #
Daytime soap.
It's now available in repeats on cable.
Sexy men and willing women. All beautiful.
Watched by *christians* everywhere.
pie |
12.11.04 - 8:18 pm | #
This from the American Family Association:
"Disney’s attack on America’s families has become so blatant, so intentional, so obvious, that American Family Association has called for a boycott of all Disney products until such time as this activity ceases"
I think that we should encourage the AFA to also boycott Christmas, and Hannukah, the Easter Bunny and of course, that gay blade, the Tooth Fairy.
Sue |
12.11.04 - 8:18 pm | #
This from the American Family Association:
"Disney’s attack on America’s families has become so blatant, so intentional, so obvious, that American Family Association has called for a boycott of all Disney products until such time as this activity ceases"
I think that we should encourage the AFA to also boycott Christmas, and Hannukah, the Easter Bunny and of course, that gay blade, the Tooth Fairy.
Sue |
12.11.04 - 8:18 pm | #
The target needs to be some enormously popular show - one that the fundies themselves likely watch in their darkened dens with the shades drawn.
I hear that "Desperate Housewives" is pretty racy, and isn't it #1? Given that more satellite porn is purchased per capita via residential satellite dish in Utah than anywhere else, the most fundie state around, you just KNOW a lot of these folks are tuning in to watch it.
They need to see their own oxen being gored to get over themselves.
Jennifer |
12.11.04 - 8:19 pm | #
The target needs to be some enormously popular show - one that the fundies themselves likely watch in their darkened dens with the shades drawn.
I hear that "Desperate Housewives" is pretty racy, and isn't it #1? Given that more satellite porn is purchased per capita via residential satellite dish in Utah than anywhere else, the most fundie state around, you just KNOW a lot of these folks are tuning in to watch it.
They need to see their own oxen being gored to get over themselves.
Jennifer |
12.11.04 - 8:19 pm | #
Cialis, Enzyte, Condoms, Birth Control pills
Daniel Stewart |
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12.11.04 - 8:19 pm | #
Cialis, Enzyte, Condoms, Birth Control pills
Daniel Stewart |
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12.11.04 - 8:19 pm | #
I just heard Tiger Woods say "God Damn" on the Target World Challenge golf tournament today on ABC. Perhaps that might hit a few targets: Republican golfers, Target stores (Repub contributor) and ABC for starters....
BushBGone |
12.11.04 - 8:20 pm | #
I just heard Tiger Woods say "God Damn" on the Target World Challenge golf tournament today on ABC. Perhaps that might hit a few targets: Republican golfers, Target stores (Repub contributor) and ABC for starters....
BushBGone |
12.11.04 - 8:20 pm | #
I hear that "Desperate Housewives" is pretty racy, and isn't it #1? Given that more satellite porn is purchased per capita via residential satellite dish in Utah than anywhere else, the most fundie state around, you just KNOW a lot of these folks are tuning in to watch it.
I hear that "Desperate Housewives" is pretty racy, and isn't it #1? Given that more satellite porn is purchased per capita via residential satellite dish in Utah than anywhere else, the most fundie state around, you just KNOW a lot of these folks are tuning in to watch it.
Follow the money going to Falwell, Dobson, and all the other fundamentalist preachers.
Attack these people like they attacked Clinton, Gore and Kerry.
Door Stop |
12.11.04 - 8:22 pm | #
Follow the money going to Falwell, Dobson, and all the other fundamentalist preachers.
Attack these people like they attacked Clinton, Gore and Kerry.
Door Stop |
12.11.04 - 8:22 pm | #
Please help me...what is Enzyte? Is it another drug in the class of Cialis, Viagra and Levitra?
Nah, it's a vitamin pill that makes the same claims. Utter bullshit, of course. But it's from a firm making 'nutraceuticals' which ape the branding of prescription drugs perfectly, showing just why DTC pharmaceutical advertising is such a bad idea.
I say we target Maury. Because you just know the God-botherers lap that stuff up. I'm all for a bit of nose-cutting-to-spite-face. Give the Christianists the network TV they supposedly desire. They'll fucking hate it.
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:23 pm | #
Please help me...what is Enzyte? Is it another drug in the class of Cialis, Viagra and Levitra?
Nah, it's a vitamin pill that makes the same claims. Utter bullshit, of course. But it's from a firm making 'nutraceuticals' which ape the branding of prescription drugs perfectly, showing just why DTC pharmaceutical advertising is such a bad idea.
I say we target Maury. Because you just know the God-botherers lap that stuff up. I'm all for a bit of nose-cutting-to-spite-face. Give the Christianists the network TV they supposedly desire. They'll fucking hate it.
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:23 pm | #
The Republicans have realized that the best way to force reform is to horribly abuse the system until reform is the only option.
Daniel Stewart |
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12.11.04 - 8:23 pm | #
The Republicans have realized that the best way to force reform is to horribly abuse the system until reform is the only option.
Daniel Stewart |
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12.11.04 - 8:23 pm | #
How about the Dale Earnhardt movie on ESPN? Why are we idolizing a deadbeat dad/rule-breaker who killed himself in a fit of violence?
This has the added benefit of annoying some of the harder-core Blue Staters. Just for some fun.
Edgewater Joe |
12.11.04 - 8:24 pm | #
I just heard Tiger Woods say "God Damn" on the Target World Challenge golf tournament today on ABC.
QuinnLaBelle - Censorship is when the government attempts to limit access to a media. If folks don't like books in your library, they could always set up a competing library. (But they don't and try to prevent access to the book at all access points.)
As I mentioned above, the media of TV and radio, VHF, UHF, AM and FM frequency, has limited access via government fiat. This is a form of censorship and limitation of the free market that has long been accepted. The flip-side of that coin is that in providing monopoly access to gain profit from public property is that they should serve the PUBLIC interest.
Perhaps we should get a bunch of giant Mexican AM stations to broadcast on the frequencies Rush uses in Arizona and San Diego and O.C.
Personally first complaints should go against the WWE! At least until they introduce a dweeb lily white CONservative in a short white-collared shirt and bow-tie that consistently gets beaten on by the URBAN and urbane big men.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 8:24 pm | #
QuinnLaBelle - Censorship is when the government attempts to limit access to a media. If folks don't like books in your library, they could always set up a competing library. (But they don't and try to prevent access to the book at all access points.)
As I mentioned above, the media of TV and radio, VHF, UHF, AM and FM frequency, has limited access via government fiat. This is a form of censorship and limitation of the free market that has long been accepted. The flip-side of that coin is that in providing monopoly access to gain profit from public property is that they should serve the PUBLIC interest.
Perhaps we should get a bunch of giant Mexican AM stations to broadcast on the frequencies Rush uses in Arizona and San Diego and O.C.
Personally first complaints should go against the WWE! At least until they introduce a dweeb lily white CONservative in a short white-collared shirt and bow-tie that consistently gets beaten on by the URBAN and urbane big men.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 8:24 pm | #
Any TV preachers that utter the words fornication, homosexual, birth control, abortion, sex, etc should be met with complaints.
On the networks, between the Sunday political bullshit, you usually get Jebus hour, no?
Let's FCC all that, as well.
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:24 pm | #
Any TV preachers that utter the words fornication, homosexual, birth control, abortion, sex, etc should be met with complaints.
On the networks, between the Sunday political bullshit, you usually get Jebus hour, no?
Let's FCC all that, as well.
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:24 pm | #
No better protest target than TBN and the 700 Club. Get that filth off the air!
David |
12.11.04 - 8:25 pm | #
No better protest target than TBN and the 700 Club. Get that filth off the air!
David |
12.11.04 - 8:25 pm | #
Follow the money going to Falwell, Dobson, and all the other fundamentalist preachers.
Got that? The FCC covers network broadcasts. If you can get it with rabbit ears, it's part of the public airwaves. If it comes through a cable or via a dish, it doesn't come under the FCC's purview.
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:27 pm | #
People, people:
CABLE DOESN'T COUNT.
Got that? The FCC covers network broadcasts. If you can get it with rabbit ears, it's part of the public airwaves. If it comes through a cable or via a dish, it doesn't come under the FCC's purview.
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:27 pm | #
I think this idea wouldn't actually be any kind of protest, it would just be more of what they are already getting from Bozell.
Gabriel |
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12.11.04 - 8:27 pm | #
I think this idea wouldn't actually be any kind of protest, it would just be more of what they are already getting from Bozell.
Gabriel |
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12.11.04 - 8:27 pm | #
there's no mention of Vulcans in the Bible.
They are, however, mentioned in the Gnostic Bible...
NTodd |
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12.11.04 - 8:27 pm | #
there's no mention of Vulcans in the Bible.
They are, however, mentioned in the Gnostic Bible...
NTodd |
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12.11.04 - 8:27 pm | #
You can, however, protest the filth on the 700 Club or TBN to your local cable company or satellite provider...
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:28 pm | #
You can, however, protest the filth on the 700 Club or TBN to your local cable company or satellite provider...
pseudonymous in nc |
12.11.04 - 8:28 pm | #
NFL. Cheerleaders. Beer ads.
Victoria's Secret ads. But not 'til after I tape 'em.
knobboy |
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12.11.04 - 8:29 pm | #
NFL. Cheerleaders. Beer ads.
Victoria's Secret ads. But not 'til after I tape 'em.
knobboy |
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12.11.04 - 8:29 pm | #
The FCC covers network broadcasts. If you can get it with rabbit ears, it's part of the public airwaves. If it comes through a cable or via a dish, it doesn't come under the FCC's purview.
Janet Jackson's boob came through cable, but the poorer people got it throught their *public* airwaves.
The FCC covers network broadcasts. If you can get it with rabbit ears, it's part of the public airwaves. If it comes through a cable or via a dish, it doesn't come under the FCC's purview.
Janet Jackson's boob came through cable, but the poorer people got it throught their *public* airwaves.
Aren't WalMart commercials in violation of some sort of "truth-in-advertising" law?
Let's go after any (if not ALL) commercials. WalMart, McDonald's, "Girls Gone Wild"... Reasons for reporting them don't have to be valid, as long as we're doing it "for the sake of the CHILDREN"!
greyNOTgray |
12.11.04 - 8:38 pm | #
Aren't WalMart commercials in violation of some sort of "truth-in-advertising" law?
Let's go after any (if not ALL) commercials. WalMart, McDonald's, "Girls Gone Wild"... Reasons for reporting them don't have to be valid, as long as we're doing it "for the sake of the CHILDREN"!
greyNOTgray |
12.11.04 - 8:38 pm | #
Actually, Tom, I support improved receivers that can better discriminate between signals, thus getting rid of the interference concerns that are blocking more LPFM and LPTV broadcasters from operating.
And pseudonymous in nc gets it right. Not much one can say about cable, other than blocking obscenity (not indeceny).
SJ |
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12.11.04 - 8:40 pm | #
Actually, Tom, I support improved receivers that can better discriminate between signals, thus getting rid of the interference concerns that are blocking more LPFM and LPTV broadcasters from operating.
And pseudonymous in nc gets it right. Not much one can say about cable, other than blocking obscenity (not indeceny).
SJ |
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12.11.04 - 8:40 pm | #
Go after Network News for not telling the truth to the American public.
Pick places they have covered for the Bush administration or outright misled us on an issue and hammer it home.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
Go after Network News for not telling the truth to the American public.
Pick places they have covered for the Bush administration or outright misled us on an issue and hammer it home.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
Enzyte and the viagra clones.
Maya |
12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
Enzyte and the viagra clones.
Maya |
12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
pseud - The FCC may not currently "regulate" cable broadcasts, but Powell, son of Powell, sure does regulate the cable industry. Forcing things like a la carte cable offerings might be an option. Opening monopoly physical cable installations to competition through mandatory line sharing for ISPs.
This is the side of the government economy coin that gets debated at Slashdot a lot more than here. It still makes me laugh at so-called free-market libertarians damning government regulation of content while praising government regulation that creates these monopolies in the first place. They are OPM CONServatives opposed to the free market and liberty.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
pseud - The FCC may not currently "regulate" cable broadcasts, but Powell, son of Powell, sure does regulate the cable industry. Forcing things like a la carte cable offerings might be an option. Opening monopoly physical cable installations to competition through mandatory line sharing for ISPs.
This is the side of the government economy coin that gets debated at Slashdot a lot more than here. It still makes me laugh at so-called free-market libertarians damning government regulation of content while praising government regulation that creates these monopolies in the first place. They are OPM CONServatives opposed to the free market and liberty.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
Well, why not those impotence pill ads? What about the one that talks about the 4 hour erection? (I forget which one it is.) Say, "We were watching the NFL on Sunday at X time on X channel and we saw an ad for {fill in the blank blue pill} and it talked about four hour erections. I do not think it is appropriate for television aired on Sunday afternoon to have ads featuring commercials describing sexual function. These ads should only be shown after Jay Leno comes on" or some such...you get what I'm saying. Not totally knocking out the ads, but pushing them into the adult time zone.
Personally, since I don't watch TV save when I'm visiting my parents, I don't particularly care, but it would sure be funny to have the nets trying to explain why they give over so much of their airtime to ads that feature little blue pill devil horns.
Deana Holmes |
12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
Well, why not those impotence pill ads? What about the one that talks about the 4 hour erection? (I forget which one it is.) Say, "We were watching the NFL on Sunday at X time on X channel and we saw an ad for {fill in the blank blue pill} and it talked about four hour erections. I do not think it is appropriate for television aired on Sunday afternoon to have ads featuring commercials describing sexual function. These ads should only be shown after Jay Leno comes on" or some such...you get what I'm saying. Not totally knocking out the ads, but pushing them into the adult time zone.
Personally, since I don't watch TV save when I'm visiting my parents, I don't particularly care, but it would sure be funny to have the nets trying to explain why they give over so much of their airtime to ads that feature little blue pill devil horns.
Deana Holmes |
12.11.04 - 8:44 pm | #
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ has Bozell's latest idiocy as he rips Bill Moyers outcry against the republican noise machine.
James |
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12.11.04 - 8:45 pm | #
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ has Bozell's latest idiocy as he rips Bill Moyers outcry against the republican noise machine.
James |
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12.11.04 - 8:45 pm | #
"Cops" on Fox. Deeply offensive. These Nazi pigs go around and hassle harmless people for the crime of being poor and black, frequently drug addicted, but hurting no-one but themselves. And we're supposed to look up to these schtickdrecks as our heroes. Disgusting fascist, racist propaganda. Get it the fuck off the air.
cervantes |
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12.11.04 - 8:47 pm | #
"Cops" on Fox. Deeply offensive. These Nazi pigs go around and hassle harmless people for the crime of being poor and black, frequently drug addicted, but hurting no-one but themselves. And we're supposed to look up to these schtickdrecks as our heroes. Disgusting fascist, racist propaganda. Get it the fuck off the air.
cervantes |
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12.11.04 - 8:47 pm | #
French Connection UK. FCUK. We go after a business for using an almost dirty word.
Mrs. Bubble |
12.11.04 - 8:47 pm | #
French Connection UK. FCUK. We go after a business for using an almost dirty word.
Mrs. Bubble |
12.11.04 - 8:47 pm | #
Daytime soaps....brain rot.
I've worked since I was 17, so I could never see the big thing about those soaps.
I could never figure out what my Mom saw in them. She's even turned off by them nowadays because she said all you ever see on them is people jumping into bed and ridiculous storylines.
If you tried to take them off, though, the good God-fearin' Christian women-folk in Dumbfuckistan would throw the hissy-fit of all time!
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 8:49 pm | #
Daytime soaps....brain rot.
I've worked since I was 17, so I could never see the big thing about those soaps.
I could never figure out what my Mom saw in them. She's even turned off by them nowadays because she said all you ever see on them is people jumping into bed and ridiculous storylines.
If you tried to take them off, though, the good God-fearin' Christian women-folk in Dumbfuckistan would throw the hissy-fit of all time!
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 8:49 pm | #
I nominate Shrubya's next State of the Union message. There is no limit to the obscenities and filth he tries to purvey in that message each year.
George Johnston |
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12.11.04 - 8:51 pm | #
I nominate Shrubya's next State of the Union message. There is no limit to the obscenities and filth he tries to purvey in that message each year.
George Johnston |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 8:51 pm | #
Go after the news for lying to us. Not only is it something we really believe in, but it may get some play in the press. "FCC receives thousands of complaints regarding ABC's refusal to provide adequate context regarding social security". "NBC under fire for misrepresenting Rumsfeld's role in the armor scandal." This is the kind of Rovian tactic we need. The aim is never to achieve what you ask for (demand). It's to get your points out there in the press.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 8:51 pm | #
Go after the news for lying to us. Not only is it something we really believe in, but it may get some play in the press. "FCC receives thousands of complaints regarding ABC's refusal to provide adequate context regarding social security". "NBC under fire for misrepresenting Rumsfeld's role in the armor scandal." This is the kind of Rovian tactic we need. The aim is never to achieve what you ask for (demand). It's to get your points out there in the press.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 8:51 pm | #
" If it comes through a cable or via a dish, it doesn't come under the FCC's purview."
Like BartCop.com said:
Pretty soon, these toffee-noses are going to fix it so the only good shows are on cable and the only radio worth listening to is on satellite. Then the bigwigs will be screaming "What happened to all of our listeners/viewers???"
Somehow I don't think there are enough wingnuts to make up the difference.
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 8:52 pm | #
" If it comes through a cable or via a dish, it doesn't come under the FCC's purview."
Like BartCop.com said:
Pretty soon, these toffee-noses are going to fix it so the only good shows are on cable and the only radio worth listening to is on satellite. Then the bigwigs will be screaming "What happened to all of our listeners/viewers???"
Somehow I don't think there are enough wingnuts to make up the difference.
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 8:52 pm | #
Focus on the ads. Right after Nicolette dropped her towel, ABC ran a commercial with the line "Save a horse, ride a cowboy."
I was traumatized.
I had to explain to my 5 year old what ridin' was. Shameful. Just shameful.
rovdjur |
12.11.04 - 8:53 pm | #
Focus on the ads. Right after Nicolette dropped her towel, ABC ran a commercial with the line "Save a horse, ride a cowboy."
I was traumatized.
I had to explain to my 5 year old what ridin' was. Shameful. Just shameful.
rovdjur |
12.11.04 - 8:53 pm | #
Bill O'Reilly. I can't believe it hasn't happened sooner.
Think about it, this man has at least one story or quicktake on something perverted or kinky a show.
If there is a romp between drunken college girls in Cancun or an orgie of underage high-school girls ending up in a 'Girls gone Wild'-esque video... Billy Loofa is there.
Faux New Fox |
12.11.04 - 8:53 pm | #
Bill O'Reilly. I can't believe it hasn't happened sooner.
Think about it, this man has at least one story or quicktake on something perverted or kinky a show.
If there is a romp between drunken college girls in Cancun or an orgie of underage high-school girls ending up in a 'Girls gone Wild'-esque video... Billy Loofa is there.
Faux New Fox |
12.11.04 - 8:53 pm | #
If enough of us join Bozell's organization we can taint it worse than peeing in his swimming pool...
Look at their Top Ten and Bottom Ten for a real laugh. Sadly, I agree with a couple of their "Worst" choices. Fear Factor really DOES suck!!
joshowitz |
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12.11.04 - 8:55 pm | #
If enough of us join Bozell's organization we can taint it worse than peeing in his swimming pool...
Look at their Top Ten and Bottom Ten for a real laugh. Sadly, I agree with a couple of their "Worst" choices. Fear Factor really DOES suck!!
joshowitz |
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12.11.04 - 8:55 pm | #
viagra ads, for sure.
also all the ads with scantily clad women (most of the beer ads, except those with slacker/slob guys) which cause the problem viagra is meant to solve.
also all the ads with scantily clad women (most of the beer ads, except those with slacker/slob guys) which cause the problem viagra is meant to solve.
It's not an unreasonable thing to feel, but I think it's a bad idea. We'd just be feeding the monster that is the FCC's idea that it has any role as gatekeeper to broadcast content.
SJ
I agree.
BTW, when did the fundies become our role models for anything, including, but not limited to, politcal tactics? Emulating them will only encourage them. And we don't want to do that.
There have been reports in the press re: attempts by various fundies groups to remove books and other items from all state-funded libraries (i.e. your local public library, school libraries, public university libraries, etc.). These attempts have been going on for a few decades now, but seem to be gathering new momentum. Georgia? Tennessee?
If liberals/progressives are seen to be advocating anything at all in the way of censorship, then we are all sunk.
As for the so-called public airwaves, well hon, the corporations OWN them. And all the corporations understand is $$$$$$$. You wanna send them a message? Turn off the fucking teevee. Go out for walk. Or something.
QuinnLaBelle |
12.11.04 - 8:59 pm | #
It's not an unreasonable thing to feel, but I think it's a bad idea. We'd just be feeding the monster that is the FCC's idea that it has any role as gatekeeper to broadcast content.
SJ
I agree.
BTW, when did the fundies become our role models for anything, including, but not limited to, politcal tactics? Emulating them will only encourage them. And we don't want to do that.
There have been reports in the press re: attempts by various fundies groups to remove books and other items from all state-funded libraries (i.e. your local public library, school libraries, public university libraries, etc.). These attempts have been going on for a few decades now, but seem to be gathering new momentum. Georgia? Tennessee?
If liberals/progressives are seen to be advocating anything at all in the way of censorship, then we are all sunk.
As for the so-called public airwaves, well hon, the corporations OWN them. And all the corporations understand is $$$$$$$. You wanna send them a message? Turn off the fucking teevee. Go out for walk. Or something.
QuinnLaBelle |
12.11.04 - 8:59 pm | #
I am not happy having to watch Preparation H during dinner. That said, I think that pluralism is better than what was around in the 1950s. If anything, we should look for where diversity is lacking, and frame reform in that way rather than arguing so and so ought to be banned.
For example, the History Channel is sometimes interesting. But other times it sounds like a propoganda machine for the country, specifically the military (e.g., From Tactical to Practical). Be nice to get some diversity there.
Spinoza |
12.11.04 - 9:00 pm | #
I am not happy having to watch Preparation H during dinner. That said, I think that pluralism is better than what was around in the 1950s. If anything, we should look for where diversity is lacking, and frame reform in that way rather than arguing so and so ought to be banned.
For example, the History Channel is sometimes interesting. But other times it sounds like a propoganda machine for the country, specifically the military (e.g., From Tactical to Practical). Be nice to get some diversity there.
Spinoza |
12.11.04 - 9:00 pm | #
Touch Passions, and I'll hunt you down with a rusty spork.
Pinwiz |
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12.11.04 - 9:01 pm | #
Touch Passions, and I'll hunt you down with a rusty spork.
Pinwiz |
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12.11.04 - 9:01 pm | #
How about a emand that the Parents Television Counsel puts up a link for Fox News? Wouldn't that be richy-rich?
epoh |
12.11.04 - 9:02 pm | #
How about a emand that the Parents Television Counsel puts up a link for Fox News? Wouldn't that be richy-rich?
epoh |
12.11.04 - 9:02 pm | #
I see someone else already offered my suggestion - NFL.
Let's see 'em get tons of mail about Monday Night Football and all the jiggling cheerleaders. I want to know why they should defend *that* when they're going after the freakin' Olympics. Sports is sports.
Kate |
12.11.04 - 9:04 pm | #
I see someone else already offered my suggestion - NFL.
Let's see 'em get tons of mail about Monday Night Football and all the jiggling cheerleaders. I want to know why they should defend *that* when they're going after the freakin' Olympics. Sports is sports.
Kate |
12.11.04 - 9:04 pm | #
Since we really are mad at the news, why not protest? I'm not sure why we haven't already started a major campaign to restore some integrity into their reporting.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 9:07 pm | #
Since we really are mad at the news, why not protest? I'm not sure why we haven't already started a major campaign to restore some integrity into their reporting.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 9:07 pm | #
We need to find REAL things to object to, so my guess is the news.
If we just object to the same stuff as they are, we're doing their work for them.
Unless, of course, you are trying to push this so far into absurdity that no one believes or supports it anmymore.
Poppy McCool |
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12.11.04 - 9:07 pm | #
We need to find REAL things to object to, so my guess is the news.
If we just object to the same stuff as they are, we're doing their work for them.
Unless, of course, you are trying to push this so far into absurdity that no one believes or supports it anmymore.
Poppy McCool |
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12.11.04 - 9:07 pm | #
Any show, any time.
Ralph |
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12.11.04 - 9:08 pm | #
Any show, any time.
Ralph |
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12.11.04 - 9:08 pm | #
Alright Poppy! The News!! The News!!
It sucks. Those of us in the reality-based community know it. Let's try to get this through to the 51% of the country living in fantasyland.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 9:09 pm | #
Alright Poppy! The News!! The News!!
It sucks. Those of us in the reality-based community know it. Let's try to get this through to the 51% of the country living in fantasyland.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 9:09 pm | #
Unless, of course, you are trying to push this so far into absurdity that no one believes or supports it anmymore.
Well, yeah. But on the other hand, if we actually get taken seriously, we want to make sure it's stuff that sucks that gets yanked off the air.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 9:09 pm | #
Unless, of course, you are trying to push this so far into absurdity that no one believes or supports it anmymore.
Well, yeah. But on the other hand, if we actually get taken seriously, we want to make sure it's stuff that sucks that gets yanked off the air.
Eli |
12.11.04 - 9:09 pm | #
We need to find REAL things to object to, so my guess is the news.
You must be new here.
pie |
12.11.04 - 9:10 pm | #
We need to find REAL things to object to, so my guess is the news.
You must be new here.
pie |
12.11.04 - 9:10 pm | #
Eli,
Not yanked off the air. Just cognizant of the fact that we watch television, too. And would like our standards upheld, also.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 9:12 pm | #
Eli,
Not yanked off the air. Just cognizant of the fact that we watch television, too. And would like our standards upheld, also.
Chicagoan |
12.11.04 - 9:12 pm | #
Wal-Mart Sued Over Evanescence Lyrics
By DAVID DISHNEAU
Associated Press Writer
December 11, 2004, 5:43 PM EST
HAGERSTOWN, Md. -- Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which promotes itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by stocking compact discs by the rock group Evanescence that contain the f-word, a lawsuit claims.
The hit group's latest CD and DVD, "Anywhere But Home," don't carry parental advisory labels alerting potential buyers to the obscenity. If they did, Wal-Mart wouldn't carry them, according to the retailer's policy.
But the lawsuit claims Wal-Mart knew about the explicit lyrics in the song, "Thoughtless," because it censored the word in a free sample available on its Web site and in its stores.
The complaint, filed Thursday in Washington County Circuit Court, seeks an order requiring Wal-Mart to either censor or remove the music from its Maryland stores. It also seeks damages of up to $74,500 for each of the thousands of people who bought the music at Wal-Marts in Maryland.
"I don't want any other families to get this, expecting it to be clean. It needs to be removed from the shelves to prevent other children from hearing it," said plaintiff Trevin Skeens of Brownsville.
Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they played it in their car while driving home.
...
The Skeens' lawyer, Jon D. Pels of Bethesda, said he aims to "take this case national, even if that means going state by state."
He dismissed Whitcomb's suggestion that Wal-Mart stores didn't know about the censored version of the song. "They are a multimillion-dollar corporation and they certainly can communicate among their various entities," he said.
bkny |
12.11.04 - 9:27 pm | #
this is interesting:
Wal-Mart Sued Over Evanescence Lyrics
By DAVID DISHNEAU
Associated Press Writer
December 11, 2004, 5:43 PM EST
HAGERSTOWN, Md. -- Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which promotes itself as a seller of clean music, deceived customers by stocking compact discs by the rock group Evanescence that contain the f-word, a lawsuit claims.
The hit group's latest CD and DVD, "Anywhere But Home," don't carry parental advisory labels alerting potential buyers to the obscenity. If they did, Wal-Mart wouldn't carry them, according to the retailer's policy.
But the lawsuit claims Wal-Mart knew about the explicit lyrics in the song, "Thoughtless," because it censored the word in a free sample available on its Web site and in its stores.
The complaint, filed Thursday in Washington County Circuit Court, seeks an order requiring Wal-Mart to either censor or remove the music from its Maryland stores. It also seeks damages of up to $74,500 for each of the thousands of people who bought the music at Wal-Marts in Maryland.
"I don't want any other families to get this, expecting it to be clean. It needs to be removed from the shelves to prevent other children from hearing it," said plaintiff Trevin Skeens of Brownsville.
Skeens said he and his wife, Melanie, let their daughter buy the music for her 13th birthday and were shocked when they played it in their car while driving home.
...
The Skeens' lawyer, Jon D. Pels of Bethesda, said he aims to "take this case national, even if that means going state by state."
He dismissed Whitcomb's suggestion that Wal-Mart stores didn't know about the censored version of the song. "They are a multimillion-dollar corporation and they certainly can communicate among their various entities," he said.
bkny |
12.11.04 - 9:27 pm | #
Wasn't Hooters (the restaurant) started by someone in Iowa?
And these restaurants are everywhere.
Manned by women and peopled by men.
But that Buffalo shrimp is damn good.
pie |
12.11.04 - 9:28 pm | #
Wasn't Hooters (the restaurant) started by someone in Iowa?
And these restaurants are everywhere.
Manned by women and peopled by men.
But that Buffalo shrimp is damn good.
pie |
12.11.04 - 9:28 pm | #
Well, actually, I kinda *would* like to see all reality TV yanked off the air...
Eli |
12.11.04 - 9:28 pm | #
Well, actually, I kinda *would* like to see all reality TV yanked off the air...
Eli |
12.11.04 - 9:28 pm | #
Blogwhore. But sort of on-topic, for me!
Ronald Reagan |
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12.11.04 - 9:31 pm | #
Use "complaint chaff" to overwhelm their system, in sort of the way metallic chaff would overwhelm a missile defense system.
I love this idea. I think I'll feature one every week--really absurd stuff. This will be fun.
Gen JC Christian, patriot |
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12.11.04 - 9:31 pm | #
Use "complaint chaff" to overwhelm their system, in sort of the way metallic chaff would overwhelm a missile defense system.
I love this idea. I think I'll feature one every week--really absurd stuff. This will be fun.
Gen JC Christian, patriot |
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12.11.04 - 9:31 pm | #
It's gotta be Bush.
If a Tennessee woman can claim "injury" from seeing a boob on the Super Bowl halftime show, I know lots of folks who can claim they've been damaged by seeing an asshole.
He's certainly damaged me. And my mother literally has to leave the room when he appears, because she gets physically ill.
If a Tennessee woman can claim "injury" from seeing a boob on the Super Bowl halftime show, I know lots of folks who can claim they've been damaged by seeing an asshole.
He's certainly damaged me. And my mother literally has to leave the room when he appears, because she gets physically ill.
How about Rush Limbaugh and his exagerations? I really detest that ass.
oldwhitelady |
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12.11.04 - 9:33 pm | #
How about Rush Limbaugh and his exagerations? I really detest that ass.
oldwhitelady |
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12.11.04 - 9:33 pm | #
damn you, bkny!
[shakes fist in manner of Jon Stewart]
If I were better at Haloscan, I would have beaten bkny. But my link has Mary Prankster lyrics, FWIW.
Ronald Reagan |
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12.11.04 - 9:35 pm | #
damn you, bkny!
[shakes fist in manner of Jon Stewart]
If I were better at Haloscan, I would have beaten bkny. But my link has Mary Prankster lyrics, FWIW.
Ronald Reagan |
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12.11.04 - 9:35 pm | #
As for the so-called public airwaves, well hon, the corporations OWN them.
I guess in the sense of "the Bushevik ownership society", corporations own the public airwaves. Or perhaps in the sense that US stockholders OWN the corporations that the stock has been issued by and OWN the politicians and bureaucrats they donate to.
But personally I won't cede language like "own" and "ownership" to a bunch of nitwits, when in fact it's just a government licensed monopoly.
Once you give up on your government and politicians as protecting your interests and suggest the only action is washing your hands of the situation, you might as well move to Idaho and join a militia. Cuz what job are ya gonna have when they get around to you and pull public funding for public libraries?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 9:36 pm | #
As for the so-called public airwaves, well hon, the corporations OWN them.
I guess in the sense of "the Bushevik ownership society", corporations own the public airwaves. Or perhaps in the sense that US stockholders OWN the corporations that the stock has been issued by and OWN the politicians and bureaucrats they donate to.
But personally I won't cede language like "own" and "ownership" to a bunch of nitwits, when in fact it's just a government licensed monopoly.
Once you give up on your government and politicians as protecting your interests and suggest the only action is washing your hands of the situation, you might as well move to Idaho and join a militia. Cuz what job are ya gonna have when they get around to you and pull public funding for public libraries?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 9:36 pm | #
Ronald Reagan is me, BTW.
NYMary |
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12.11.04 - 9:39 pm | #
Ronald Reagan is me, BTW.
NYMary |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 9:39 pm | #
How about we go after the FCC itself? on the grounds that the whole commission is obscene and an affront to civilization?
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 12.11.04 - 7:57 pm | #
How about we go after the FCC itself? on the grounds that the whole commission is obscene and an affront to civilization?
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 12.11.04 - 7:57 pm | #
I suggest a boycott of any show that exploits little people. How dumb do you have to be to laugh at a "midget?" Okay, full disclosure answer to that question: as dumb as Drunkee between the ages of 12 and 21. But I've changed.
It's gutter humor and overdone.
This will, regrettably, include a boycott of Lucky Charms.
Drunkee |
12.11.04 - 9:45 pm | #
I suggest a boycott of any show that exploits little people. How dumb do you have to be to laugh at a "midget?" Okay, full disclosure answer to that question: as dumb as Drunkee between the ages of 12 and 21. But I've changed.
It's gutter humor and overdone.
This will, regrettably, include a boycott of Lucky Charms.
Drunkee |
12.11.04 - 9:45 pm | #
Lets get real Victorian on them and go after anything that shows a woman's ankle...
Patrick Berry |
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12.11.04 - 9:58 pm | #
Lets get real Victorian on them and go after anything that shows a woman's ankle...
Patrick Berry |
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12.11.04 - 9:58 pm | #
I think going after the fundy religious program would cause a backlash we don't want.
I've never watched a daytime soap, but I do remember the days when my daughter was a teenager and I came home from work to find her watching that crap after school. The red state ladies seem to eat it up, and it's got more sex than anything they've complained about. I vote for the soaps. They are, after all, shown during "children's hours".
The ads for drugs (all of them) are obnoxious, but we probably couldn't succeed in getting those pulled.
I've never seen Fear Factor or any of the slimy exploitation shows, but you can't watch anything without being bombarded with their disgusting trailers.
Lets find out what shows the wingnuts hold most dear, and select the worst among them, using the same criteria they use to get anything they don't like banned.
Emily |
12.11.04 - 9:59 pm | #
I think going after the fundy religious program would cause a backlash we don't want.
I've never watched a daytime soap, but I do remember the days when my daughter was a teenager and I came home from work to find her watching that crap after school. The red state ladies seem to eat it up, and it's got more sex than anything they've complained about. I vote for the soaps. They are, after all, shown during "children's hours".
The ads for drugs (all of them) are obnoxious, but we probably couldn't succeed in getting those pulled.
I've never seen Fear Factor or any of the slimy exploitation shows, but you can't watch anything without being bombarded with their disgusting trailers.
Lets find out what shows the wingnuts hold most dear, and select the worst among them, using the same criteria they use to get anything they don't like banned.
Emily |
12.11.04 - 9:59 pm | #
Maybe we should write and complain about anything with violence (although I like to watch football and cheerleaders and CSI and Ahrnold re-runs). And CNN in EVERY version is pure-de awful. "Who Bill, did you see THAT building explode? Wonder if any Terrist' were in it?"
Diana's funeral -- God, what wretchedness. The OJ Trial. Scott you-know-who (I don't have to say do I?)
Anyone for the morning TV programs? Does pablum and sappiness count on the outrage meter? Can we protest and get THOSE programs off the air -- maybe replaced by silence, or even the sound of breaking glass? And Sunday morning -- NOT the CBS version, which is often pretty good -- but the goddamned preachers. Isn't there some way to get those Anti-Christ Bozo's off the air? Why don't the Khristians complain about those guys?
Or at least get the pan-shots of the Stepford Christians who sit in their audience banned as obscene? Will the FTC listen to a voice of reason, or is it only about Blasphemy and Boobs?
Oh hell -- there is a lot more. Local News, the Fox Network ----.
How is one to pick where to start?
David Winn
dwinn@austin.rr.com
David Winn |
12.11.04 - 10:03 pm | #
Maybe we should write and complain about anything with violence (although I like to watch football and cheerleaders and CSI and Ahrnold re-runs). And CNN in EVERY version is pure-de awful. "Who Bill, did you see THAT building explode? Wonder if any Terrist' were in it?"
Diana's funeral -- God, what wretchedness. The OJ Trial. Scott you-know-who (I don't have to say do I?)
Anyone for the morning TV programs? Does pablum and sappiness count on the outrage meter? Can we protest and get THOSE programs off the air -- maybe replaced by silence, or even the sound of breaking glass? And Sunday morning -- NOT the CBS version, which is often pretty good -- but the goddamned preachers. Isn't there some way to get those Anti-Christ Bozo's off the air? Why don't the Khristians complain about those guys?
Or at least get the pan-shots of the Stepford Christians who sit in their audience banned as obscene? Will the FTC listen to a voice of reason, or is it only about Blasphemy and Boobs?
Oh hell -- there is a lot more. Local News, the Fox Network ----.
How is one to pick where to start?
David Winn
dwinn@austin.rr.com
David Winn |
12.11.04 - 10:03 pm | #
Call me crazy, but maybe, just maybe we ought to just try to beat our enemies instead of becoming them. How about instead of finding our own broadcast whipping boys, we support the shows that the PTC attacks--flood the FCC with emails supporting those shows instead of trying to outstupid the opposition.
Incertus |
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12.11.04 - 10:06 pm | #
Call me crazy, but maybe, just maybe we ought to just try to beat our enemies instead of becoming them. How about instead of finding our own broadcast whipping boys, we support the shows that the PTC attacks--flood the FCC with emails supporting those shows instead of trying to outstupid the opposition.
Incertus |
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12.11.04 - 10:06 pm | #
Lets find out what shows the wingnuts hold most dear, and select the worst among them, using the same criteria they use to get anything they don't like banned.
SOAPS.
Why is that, exactly?
pie |
12.11.04 - 10:07 pm | #
Lets find out what shows the wingnuts hold most dear, and select the worst among them, using the same criteria they use to get anything they don't like banned.
SOAPS.
Why is that, exactly?
pie |
12.11.04 - 10:07 pm | #
How did I become so old and irrelevant? I haven't smiled in twenty years.
Cuz what job are ya gonna have when they get around to you and pull public funding for public libraries?
Ah, Tom?
I do not at this time actually have a job in any library. Nor are there prospects of one.
Why?
Because they've already culled funding for public libraries to the bone. No money for nuthin', not books, not staff, not building maintenance.
And you are worried about access to the boob tube, fer pity's sake.
Turn the fookin' thing OFF and go use your public library while you still have one!!!
QuinnLaBelle |
12.11.04 - 10:10 pm | #
Cuz what job are ya gonna have when they get around to you and pull public funding for public libraries?
Ah, Tom?
I do not at this time actually have a job in any library. Nor are there prospects of one.
Why?
Because they've already culled funding for public libraries to the bone. No money for nuthin', not books, not staff, not building maintenance.
And you are worried about access to the boob tube, fer pity's sake.
Turn the fookin' thing OFF and go use your public library while you still have one!!!
QuinnLaBelle |
12.11.04 - 10:10 pm | #
My diaper is leaking again.
Why is that, exactly?
pie |
12.11.04 - 10:11 pm | #
My diaper is leaking again.
Why is that, exactly?
pie |
12.11.04 - 10:11 pm | #
Don Imus. Love that show unfortunately it's juicy content would fuel Michael Powell's ego.
el loco |
12.11.04 - 10:17 pm | #
Don Imus. Love that show unfortunately it's juicy content would fuel Michael Powell's ego.
el loco |
12.11.04 - 10:17 pm | #
"It's gotta be Bush.
If a Tennessee woman can claim "injury" from seeing a boob on the Super Bowl halftime show, I know lots of folks who can claim they've been damaged by seeing an asshole.
He's certainly damaged me. And my mother literally has to leave the room when he appears, because she gets physically ill."
Everytime I see the son of a bitch I always say "Somebody KILLl him, please!"
(And while they're at it, take out Karl Rove!)
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 10:18 pm | #
"It's gotta be Bush.
If a Tennessee woman can claim "injury" from seeing a boob on the Super Bowl halftime show, I know lots of folks who can claim they've been damaged by seeing an asshole.
He's certainly damaged me. And my mother literally has to leave the room when he appears, because she gets physically ill."
Everytime I see the son of a bitch I always say "Somebody KILLl him, please!"
(And while they're at it, take out Karl Rove!)
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 10:18 pm | #
I'm happy to see my troll is learning the mechanics of the English language. Commas and everything. Wow.
Night, troll.
Although your diaper fetish is troubling...
pie |
12.11.04 - 10:18 pm | #
I'm happy to see my troll is learning the mechanics of the English language. Commas and everything. Wow.
Night, troll.
Although your diaper fetish is troubling...
pie |
12.11.04 - 10:18 pm | #
"KILL him, please!"
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 10:18 pm | #
"KILL him, please!"
Terry C |
12.11.04 - 10:18 pm | #
Will someone please help pie? There seems to be a fairly high level of distress.
pie, would a joke help?
Sorry, I don't know any. But someone must.
Emily |
12.11.04 - 10:19 pm | #
Will someone please help pie? There seems to be a fairly high level of distress.
pie, would a joke help?
Sorry, I don't know any. But someone must.
Emily |
12.11.04 - 10:19 pm | #
Any Fox Programs -- for the most part they are absolutely obscene.
sara/seattle |
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12.11.04 - 10:21 pm | #
Any Fox Programs -- for the most part they are absolutely obscene.
sara/seattle |
Homepage |
12.11.04 - 10:21 pm | #
Since we really are mad at the news, why not protest? I'm not sure why we haven't already started a major campaign to restore some integrity into their reporting.
Ahem...
I've long wanted to have a big march on the Alphabet soups, and my primary target is NBC's Today Show, with its pretty picture windows. Shove the rubes out of the way, burn effigies of Katie and Matt. Think THAT wouldn't attract attention?
LJ |
12.11.04 - 10:23 pm | #
Since we really are mad at the news, why not protest? I'm not sure why we haven't already started a major campaign to restore some integrity into their reporting.
Ahem...
I've long wanted to have a big march on the Alphabet soups, and my primary target is NBC's Today Show, with its pretty picture windows. Shove the rubes out of the way, burn effigies of Katie and Matt. Think THAT wouldn't attract attention?
LJ |
12.11.04 - 10:23 pm | #
Was it Josh or Seeing the Forest or whom??? who recently spotlighted the country music lyrics on about the salesman and the first grade teacher having a juicy affair in the surf, and the other top ten country song about the wild and fast and loose woman i the bar? I saw a video of that one, and they don't closed caption all the lyrics, because they are so raunchy. They do show all the women in the audience singing along, though. Either one of those songs could be used to describe Clinton's indiscretions.
Bill |
12.11.04 - 10:33 pm | #
Was it Josh or Seeing the Forest or whom??? who recently spotlighted the country music lyrics on about the salesman and the first grade teacher having a juicy affair in the surf, and the other top ten country song about the wild and fast and loose woman i the bar? I saw a video of that one, and they don't closed caption all the lyrics, because they are so raunchy. They do show all the women in the audience singing along, though. Either one of those songs could be used to describe Clinton's indiscretions.
Bill |
12.11.04 - 10:33 pm | #
My vote: The 700 Club.
Any program whose host advocates an act of nuclear terrorism against the US government is indecent to me.
Seraphiel |
12.11.04 - 10:38 pm | #
My vote: The 700 Club.
Any program whose host advocates an act of nuclear terrorism against the US government is indecent to me.
Seraphiel |
12.11.04 - 10:38 pm | #
Oh yes, the first thing that military coups do after capturing the President is to obtain control of the Public Library system and they never, ever, ever go near a radio or TV station.
Though I do have to give kudos to my public library system. I do love being able to renew or reserve books online.
And Incertus, I'm not up for supporting some of the shows the AFA and Bozell are against. Though if Bozo-ell is after Moyers, I can support Moyers. But the government is designed to respond to squeaky wheels in its regulation. That means either you re-legislate and change the rules or you become a squeaky wheel.
Since liberals have no power to legislate at this point, it's time to be the George Will style obstructionist squeaky wheel until we can seize the power to pass legislation again. (and hopefully we can do this locally as well as nationally, so those public libraries can be properly funded and protected against the Bozo-ells of the US)
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 10:38 pm | #
Oh yes, the first thing that military coups do after capturing the President is to obtain control of the Public Library system and they never, ever, ever go near a radio or TV station.
Though I do have to give kudos to my public library system. I do love being able to renew or reserve books online.
And Incertus, I'm not up for supporting some of the shows the AFA and Bozell are against. Though if Bozo-ell is after Moyers, I can support Moyers. But the government is designed to respond to squeaky wheels in its regulation. That means either you re-legislate and change the rules or you become a squeaky wheel.
Since liberals have no power to legislate at this point, it's time to be the George Will style obstructionist squeaky wheel until we can seize the power to pass legislation again. (and hopefully we can do this locally as well as nationally, so those public libraries can be properly funded and protected against the Bozo-ells of the US)
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 10:38 pm | #
Was it Josh or Seeing the Forest or whom??? who recently spotlighted the country music lyrics on about the salesman and the first grade teacher having a juicy affair in the surf, and the other top ten country song about the wild and fast and loose woman i the bar? I saw a video of that one, and they don't closed caption all the lyrics, because they are so raunchy. They do show all the women in the audience singing along, though. Either one of those songs could be used to describe Clinton's indiscretions.
Bill |
12.11.04 - 10:51 pm | #
Was it Josh or Seeing the Forest or whom??? who recently spotlighted the country music lyrics on about the salesman and the first grade teacher having a juicy affair in the surf, and the other top ten country song about the wild and fast and loose woman i the bar? I saw a video of that one, and they don't closed caption all the lyrics, because they are so raunchy. They do show all the women in the audience singing along, though. Either one of those songs could be used to describe Clinton's indiscretions.
Bill |
12.11.04 - 10:51 pm | #
I forgot my last sentance... and if Clinton's indiscretions were so bad, then why are these songs and artists so beloved by the right wingers. I think one is by Toby Keith (?) who campaigned with and for *
Bill |
12.11.04 - 10:53 pm | #
I forgot my last sentance... and if Clinton's indiscretions were so bad, then why are these songs and artists so beloved by the right wingers. I think one is by Toby Keith (?) who campaigned with and for *
Bill |
12.11.04 - 10:53 pm | #
I forgot my last sentance... and if Clinton's indiscretions were so bad, then why are these songs and artists so beloved by the right wingers. I think one is by Toby Keith (?) who campaigned with and for *
Bill |
12.11.04 - 11:00 pm | #
I forgot my last sentance... and if Clinton's indiscretions were so bad, then why are these songs and artists so beloved by the right wingers. I think one is by Toby Keith (?) who campaigned with and for *
Bill |
12.11.04 - 11:00 pm | #
How about all those local evening news (as well as 7:00 entertainment news shows) that strike a tone of moral indignation at the latest sexy ad/video/publicity stunt (' . . . but have they gone TOO FAR?') and then show the 'offending' video clip over and over again. Take the Terrell Owens-Nicolette Sheridan promo. I missed it the first time around, but needn't have worried. Every station in the country was busy showing it to me again so they could moralize about how awful it was (wanna see it again?)
djs |
12.11.04 - 11:01 pm | #
How about all those local evening news (as well as 7:00 entertainment news shows) that strike a tone of moral indignation at the latest sexy ad/video/publicity stunt (' . . . but have they gone TOO FAR?') and then show the 'offending' video clip over and over again. Take the Terrell Owens-Nicolette Sheridan promo. I missed it the first time around, but needn't have worried. Every station in the country was busy showing it to me again so they could moralize about how awful it was (wanna see it again?)
djs |
12.11.04 - 11:01 pm | #
Pick on violence like the organized hooliganism of football. I remember seeing a QB decked cold. The camera zeroed in on the poor kid's twitching hand. I kid you not.
Jeffrey Davis |
12.11.04 - 11:04 pm | #
Pick on violence like the organized hooliganism of football. I remember seeing a QB decked cold. The camera zeroed in on the poor kid's twitching hand. I kid you not.
Jeffrey Davis |
12.11.04 - 11:04 pm | #
From what I know, and the comments, I think it's pretty clear we need to look at broadcast TV to make complaints.
And I really don't want us to cut off the nose to spite the face, so to speak, so we need to be careful on the target. I don't like the suggest of simply blanketing the system with complaints on every show will work-that's simply too much effort to be feasible.
That said, I'm not certain if FOX the network is affiliated with FOX NEWS. I'm assuming it is, so perhaps that should be our primary target-hit 'em in the pocket books. I'm thinking reality-based shows such as COPS (is that Fox?) might hit the Red-Staters hard, but surely there's some shows we can target.
If we can make complaints about Rush, Hanninty, etc. (especially when we catch them in lies), that'd be sweet.
Brian |
12.11.04 - 11:07 pm | #
From what I know, and the comments, I think it's pretty clear we need to look at broadcast TV to make complaints.
And I really don't want us to cut off the nose to spite the face, so to speak, so we need to be careful on the target. I don't like the suggest of simply blanketing the system with complaints on every show will work-that's simply too much effort to be feasible.
That said, I'm not certain if FOX the network is affiliated with FOX NEWS. I'm assuming it is, so perhaps that should be our primary target-hit 'em in the pocket books. I'm thinking reality-based shows such as COPS (is that Fox?) might hit the Red-Staters hard, but surely there's some shows we can target.
If we can make complaints about Rush, Hanninty, etc. (especially when we catch them in lies), that'd be sweet.
Brian |
12.11.04 - 11:07 pm | #
And Incertus, I'm not up for supporting some of the shows the AFA and Bozell are against. Though if Bozo-ell is after Moyers, I can support Moyers. But the government is designed to respond to squeaky wheels in its regulation. That means either you re-legislate and change the rules or you become a squeaky wheel.
We don't have to be knee-jerk about this, but if Bozell is going after the freaking Summer Olympics opening ceremonies, what won't he go after? Surely there are plenty of shows we can defend, if only in the name of free and open expression ideas. Call me crazy, but I always thought trying to stifle opinion was a bad thing.
Incertus |
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12.11.04 - 11:08 pm | #
And Incertus, I'm not up for supporting some of the shows the AFA and Bozell are against. Though if Bozo-ell is after Moyers, I can support Moyers. But the government is designed to respond to squeaky wheels in its regulation. That means either you re-legislate and change the rules or you become a squeaky wheel.
We don't have to be knee-jerk about this, but if Bozell is going after the freaking Summer Olympics opening ceremonies, what won't he go after? Surely there are plenty of shows we can defend, if only in the name of free and open expression ideas. Call me crazy, but I always thought trying to stifle opinion was a bad thing.
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12.11.04 - 11:08 pm | #
The key is to make the whole process seem to be as ludicrous as possible. That means pick an innocent target and dump tons of complaints about them onto the FCC. For instance, if Crocodile Hunter was on one of the networks we could complain that Steve Irwin is obviously mimicing acts of bestiality when he lays down on a croc.
That's how I think it should be done, anyway. Picking real targets would make us as bad as them.
patriotboy |
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12.11.04 - 11:21 pm | #
The key is to make the whole process seem to be as ludicrous as possible. That means pick an innocent target and dump tons of complaints about them onto the FCC. For instance, if Crocodile Hunter was on one of the networks we could complain that Steve Irwin is obviously mimicing acts of bestiality when he lays down on a croc.
That's how I think it should be done, anyway. Picking real targets would make us as bad as them.
patriotboy |
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12.11.04 - 11:21 pm | #
Incertus - I don't think we are trying to stifle opinion... I'd love to pressure Congress to stop harassing PBS to move NewsHour from news to right-wing agitprop.
I'd love to see more support for Frontline and Nova, doing real Science and social science to counter the lunacy of Creationism and exposing the fringe United Front organisations that get created to push the Bushevik agitprop.
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12.11.04 - 11:24 pm | #
Incertus - I don't think we are trying to stifle opinion... I'd love to pressure Congress to stop harassing PBS to move NewsHour from news to right-wing agitprop.
I'd love to see more support for Frontline and Nova, doing real Science and social science to counter the lunacy of Creationism and exposing the fringe United Front organisations that get created to push the Bushevik agitprop.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 11:24 pm | #
christian preachers on tv
bayard |
12.11.04 - 11:30 pm | #
christian preachers on tv
bayard |
12.11.04 - 11:30 pm | #
I'd love to see more support for Frontline and Nova
I gave up on PBS back when Gingrich made a run at their funding and PBS responded by turning Nova into an infomercial about aircraft carriers and submarines.
patriotboy |
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12.11.04 - 11:32 pm | #
I'd love to see more support for Frontline and Nova
I gave up on PBS back when Gingrich made a run at their funding and PBS responded by turning Nova into an infomercial about aircraft carriers and submarines.
patriotboy |
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12.11.04 - 11:32 pm | #
well patriotboy, isn't it time to undo the Gingrich Cultural Revolution? Isn't that what we are discussing?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 11:34 pm | #
well patriotboy, isn't it time to undo the Gingrich Cultural Revolution? Isn't that what we are discussing?
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 11:34 pm | #
I think whatever, or whoever, it targets should be the richest, whitest man ever.
Or, target commercials that exotify women for profit.
And people on this site should watch the way they refer to women and people of color.
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12.11.04 - 11:37 pm | #
I think whatever, or whoever, it targets should be the richest, whitest man ever.
Or, target commercials that exotify women for profit.
And people on this site should watch the way they refer to women and people of color.
pinky |
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12.11.04 - 11:37 pm | #
Target false character attacks from pundits.
It's slander/libel, and that it's allowed is an easy way to call attention to the partisan nature of the FCC.
Samael Howard |
12.11.04 - 11:40 pm | #
Target false character attacks from pundits.
It's slander/libel, and that it's allowed is an easy way to call attention to the partisan nature of the FCC.
Samael Howard |
12.11.04 - 11:40 pm | #
There were some gratuitous bare breasts on a female reindeer on "Robbie the Reindeer" tonight. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Senator Santorum |
12.11.04 - 11:45 pm | #
There were some gratuitous bare breasts on a female reindeer on "Robbie the Reindeer" tonight. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Senator Santorum |
12.11.04 - 11:45 pm | #
the WWF. There is no way that doesn't offend every communities standards, and far from me to call for censorship , but this is not harmless fun .
And why don't they mention that each NASCAR race generates 8 tons of solid Carbon Black , all of which is airborn and good thing too , who would want a dump-truck full of oily black powder in their front yard?IN everyones lungs is WAY better ....
Nascar, WWF, ...do I hate America ?
No , just her worse instincts
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12.11.04 - 11:48 pm | #
the WWF. There is no way that doesn't offend every communities standards, and far from me to call for censorship , but this is not harmless fun .
And why don't they mention that each NASCAR race generates 8 tons of solid Carbon Black , all of which is airborn and good thing too , who would want a dump-truck full of oily black powder in their front yard?IN everyones lungs is WAY better ....
Nascar, WWF, ...do I hate America ?
No , just her worse instincts
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12.11.04 - 11:48 pm | #
Why don't we set up a "hit list" of shows, or better, a list of those who spread the fear and hatred that feeds the deceiving beast. When someone sees an example of "hate talk" or other fear mongering by a Coulter, Malkin or other scum, we blast the FCC with complaints.
And don't forget to keep an eye on your local Sinclair Broadcast affiliates license renewal date. Round up some friends and file individual grievances. That's supposed to make things even more tedious and expensive for the "boys".
Ideally, I'd love to see an investment fund together and pool enough money to launch our own cable venture, or better yet an internet broadcast system. Atrios, Kos and a host of others could sit in the comfort of their homes and do an hour or two of talk each day.
THAT would have the broadcast boys freakin' from day one.
CybScryb |
12.11.04 - 11:49 pm | #
Why don't we set up a "hit list" of shows, or better, a list of those who spread the fear and hatred that feeds the deceiving beast. When someone sees an example of "hate talk" or other fear mongering by a Coulter, Malkin or other scum, we blast the FCC with complaints.
And don't forget to keep an eye on your local Sinclair Broadcast affiliates license renewal date. Round up some friends and file individual grievances. That's supposed to make things even more tedious and expensive for the "boys".
Ideally, I'd love to see an investment fund together and pool enough money to launch our own cable venture, or better yet an internet broadcast system. Atrios, Kos and a host of others could sit in the comfort of their homes and do an hour or two of talk each day.
THAT would have the broadcast boys freakin' from day one.
CybScryb |
12.11.04 - 11:49 pm | #
Yes, I know it's tempting. I'm sure you could find a complaint a day at FOX and with Limbaugh. Michael Savage is the proverbial fish in a barrel. All of those could be fun.
Generally, I'd love to start with wrestling, follow with football and move right on to boxing. You can probably move on through to soccer and the NBA too. (Speaking of which, where were the FCC complaints after the Pistons/Pacers fight back in November?) There are a couple of drivers with NASCAR that will open the door there too.
Violence is a legit complaint at the FCC. And nothing would annoy these folks like taking away their sports programming.
Somebody is going to have to convince me though. Censorship is their thing. I don't want to be associated with it in any context.
So, my gut on this is: Fun idea but really, no way. Ain't going there.
Yes, I know it's tempting. I'm sure you could find a complaint a day at FOX and with Limbaugh. Michael Savage is the proverbial fish in a barrel. All of those could be fun.
Generally, I'd love to start with wrestling, follow with football and move right on to boxing. You can probably move on through to soccer and the NBA too. (Speaking of which, where were the FCC complaints after the Pistons/Pacers fight back in November?) There are a couple of drivers with NASCAR that will open the door there too.
Violence is a legit complaint at the FCC. And nothing would annoy these folks like taking away their sports programming.
Somebody is going to have to convince me though. Censorship is their thing. I don't want to be associated with it in any context.
So, my gut on this is: Fun idea but really, no way. Ain't going there.
Halftime panty shows, gay shots of butts at football games, T&A beer ads and the whistling butt erectile dysfunction ads.
No one should have a butt that's so happy it whistles.
Ubermulch |
12.11.04 - 11:56 pm | #
Halftime panty shows, gay shots of butts at football games, T&A beer ads and the whistling butt erectile dysfunction ads.
No one should have a butt that's so happy it whistles.
Ubermulch |
12.11.04 - 11:56 pm | #
A.s.H - it's the WWE now. the WWF is and has always been the World Wildlife Federation.
Though I am surprised that none of the writers for the WWE have picked up on the Jon Stewart on Crossfire as inspiration for a storyline to mock CNN and political dialogue in the US.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 11:56 pm | #
A.s.H - it's the WWE now. the WWF is and has always been the World Wildlife Federation.
Though I am surprised that none of the writers for the WWE have picked up on the Jon Stewart on Crossfire as inspiration for a storyline to mock CNN and political dialogue in the US.
Tom - Daai Tou Laam |
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12.11.04 - 11:56 pm | #
1) give more money to organizations that track the rhetoric of the right, like Media Matters does.
2) use the principles of 'truth in journalism' to go after the falsehoods that the right spews out daily. Expose the falsehoods to mainstream America. How many moms and pops in this country have even heard of Media Matters?
3) use this basis to go after the companies that advertise on right wing channels. If ALL the people that voted against Bush (57 million was it?) told a company that if it advertises on a show known for falsehood, we will boycott them, then our problem is solved, is it not?
No FCC was involved, no policing beyond our own grassroots effort.
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12.12.04 - 12:20 am | #
1) give more money to organizations that track the rhetoric of the right, like Media Matters does.
2) use the principles of 'truth in journalism' to go after the falsehoods that the right spews out daily. Expose the falsehoods to mainstream America. How many moms and pops in this country have even heard of Media Matters?
3) use this basis to go after the companies that advertise on right wing channels. If ALL the people that voted against Bush (57 million was it?) told a company that if it advertises on a show known for falsehood, we will boycott them, then our problem is solved, is it not?
No FCC was involved, no policing beyond our own grassroots effort.
Steve S |
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12.12.04 - 12:20 am | #
It's very male to suggest soaps. The counter example would be football. Let's get football in trouble--addictive, hurts family life, violent.
Raenelle |
12.12.04 - 12:21 am | #
It's very male to suggest soaps. The counter example would be football. Let's get football in trouble--addictive, hurts family life, violent.
Raenelle |
12.12.04 - 12:21 am | #
Atrios,
The United Church of Christ is already taking FCC action against CBS and NBC stations. See AccessibleAirwaves.org.
You go after rightwing talk radio.
chris |
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12.12.04 - 12:37 am | #
Atrios, this is a hanging curveball:
You go after rightwing talk radio.
chris |
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12.12.04 - 12:37 am | #
It has to be a network program, so I agree with the General that we should pick an innocent show and complain about stupid stuff to make Bozell's group look lame(er).
I suggest "Joan of Arcadia," and that we complain about how its depictions of God (i.e., as a black woman, a teen, etc.)give children unbiblical ideas about God not being a patriarchal white man with a white beard.
s.z. |
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12.12.04 - 12:39 am | #
It has to be a network program, so I agree with the General that we should pick an innocent show and complain about stupid stuff to make Bozell's group look lame(er).
I suggest "Joan of Arcadia," and that we complain about how its depictions of God (i.e., as a black woman, a teen, etc.)give children unbiblical ideas about God not being a patriarchal white man with a white beard.
s.z. |
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12.12.04 - 12:39 am | #
Complain about infomercials. They're a direct result of Reagan-era deregulation.
The airwaves are *ours,* and the FCC is there *exactly* so that we can be as dour-faced and clenched-sphincteredly persnickety about what's transmitted over those airwaves.
I think infomercials are a bane on the existence of broadcast media. We need to roll back to the glorious era of the 50s, when there were no infomercials, and when there was an equal time doctrine.
The uppity right complains about outrageous content, and the uppity left should complain about outrageous irresponsibility on the part of broadcasters. Infomercials are irresponsible because they don't provide any real public good. Equal time is required so that we can be assured of some degree of balance from broadcasters.
Enoch Root |
12.12.04 - 12:40 am | #
Complain about infomercials. They're a direct result of Reagan-era deregulation.
The airwaves are *ours,* and the FCC is there *exactly* so that we can be as dour-faced and clenched-sphincteredly persnickety about what's transmitted over those airwaves.
I think infomercials are a bane on the existence of broadcast media. We need to roll back to the glorious era of the 50s, when there were no infomercials, and when there was an equal time doctrine.
The uppity right complains about outrageous content, and the uppity left should complain about outrageous irresponsibility on the part of broadcasters. Infomercials are irresponsible because they don't provide any real public good. Equal time is required so that we can be assured of some degree of balance from broadcasters.
Enoch Root |
12.12.04 - 12:40 am | #
Thinking it through, sending in thousands of complaints about indecency on FOX, etc. is more a matter of demonstrating the slippery slope the FCC plans on descending slowly. If we force the obvious consequences into the public eye quickly, we can wake up the public before it is too late.
The logic here is to take the KK-Kristian's position to its absurd conclusion. Maybe start a group for "The Prevention of S*X and Other Terrorist Plots" and ask the Landover Baptist Church for help...
Viagra ads are a bad target because there's some truth to the charge. Better satire is to question where Olive Oyl's little SweetPea came from, and "Uncle" Popeye's role in this occurance. Donald Duck's "nephews" are of at best questionable parentage - and why do they live with Daisy Duck, anyway?
The goal is cut into the polling numbers for the "culture war" theme. Karl Rove only cares about numbers - if they aren't there, he'll stop pushing these issues.
Tom Lehrer wrote a song called "SMUT" in the 1960's. This verse should be our motto:
All books can be indecent books;
But recent books are bolder;
For filth, I'm glad to say, is in the mind of the beholder; When correctly viewed, everything is lewd;
I could tell you things about Peter Pan;
and the Wizard of Oz - there's a dirty old man!
Thinking it through, sending in thousands of complaints about indecency on FOX, etc. is more a matter of demonstrating the slippery slope the FCC plans on descending slowly. If we force the obvious consequences into the public eye quickly, we can wake up the public before it is too late.
The logic here is to take the KK-Kristian's position to its absurd conclusion. Maybe start a group for "The Prevention of S*X and Other Terrorist Plots" and ask the Landover Baptist Church for help...
Viagra ads are a bad target because there's some truth to the charge. Better satire is to question where Olive Oyl's little SweetPea came from, and "Uncle" Popeye's role in this occurance. Donald Duck's "nephews" are of at best questionable parentage - and why do they live with Daisy Duck, anyway?
The goal is cut into the polling numbers for the "culture war" theme. Karl Rove only cares about numbers - if they aren't there, he'll stop pushing these issues.
Tom Lehrer wrote a song called "SMUT" in the 1960's. This verse should be our motto:
All books can be indecent books;
But recent books are bolder;
For filth, I'm glad to say, is in the mind of the beholder; When correctly viewed, everything is lewd;
I could tell you things about Peter Pan;
and the Wizard of Oz - there's a dirty old man!
Savage - one other way is to challenge license renewals.
Zappatero |
12.12.04 - 1:00 am | #
Savage - one other way is to challenge license renewals.
Zappatero |
12.12.04 - 1:00 am | #
Nooooo, not my soaps!! I only watch two and they are my little get-away from the day.
Maggie |
12.12.04 - 1:54 am | #
Nooooo, not my soaps!! I only watch two and they are my little get-away from the day.
Maggie |
12.12.04 - 1:54 am | #
I said it on another board, but "Desperate Housewives." It's a hit in red-states, it's on a network in prime time, and it's trashy as hell and created by an admitted homosexual (via Newsweek). Murder, adultery, shirtless men, women not submitting to the will of their husbands, all for the children to see right there on the public airwaves in prime time.
carp |
12.12.04 - 1:58 am | #
I said it on another board, but "Desperate Housewives." It's a hit in red-states, it's on a network in prime time, and it's trashy as hell and created by an admitted homosexual (via Newsweek). Murder, adultery, shirtless men, women not submitting to the will of their husbands, all for the children to see right there on the public airwaves in prime time.
carp |
12.12.04 - 1:58 am | #
Patriotboy is right. Find something to complain about in any and everyshow. But make sure its ridiculous. Complain about Touched by an Angel portraying angels in a nonbiblical fashion. Complain about imagined sexual double entendres in any and everything.
There is one downside to this. We'll have to actually watch some network television to come up with our complaints.
We must complain about the costumes that figure skaters wear. We must complain about male figure skaters promoting the homosexual agenda.
esther |
12.12.04 - 2:46 am | #
Patriotboy is right. Find something to complain about in any and everyshow. But make sure its ridiculous. Complain about Touched by an Angel portraying angels in a nonbiblical fashion. Complain about imagined sexual double entendres in any and everything.
There is one downside to this. We'll have to actually watch some network television to come up with our complaints.
We must complain about the costumes that figure skaters wear. We must complain about male figure skaters promoting the homosexual agenda.
esther |
12.12.04 - 2:46 am | #
I can't think of ANY good commericals
profbacon |
12.12.04 - 3:47 am | #
I can't think of ANY good commericals
profbacon |
12.12.04 - 3:47 am | #
I'll side with those of us who said BUSH. I really do find him almost inexpressibly repugnant, and any sighting of him leaves me at least as offended as Janet Jackson's nipple left all of the boob despisers. Geez, if they can scream bloody murder over something like that, I should have the right to complain about all the airtime they give to antichrist boy...
Thurber Hamm |
12.12.04 - 3:51 am | #
I'll side with those of us who said BUSH. I really do find him almost inexpressibly repugnant, and any sighting of him leaves me at least as offended as Janet Jackson's nipple left all of the boob despisers. Geez, if they can scream bloody murder over something like that, I should have the right to complain about all the airtime they give to antichrist boy...
Thurber Hamm |
12.12.04 - 3:51 am | #
I am all for going after Madison Avenue for the tatseless crap they dump on us and I espescially love the idea of going after the drug companies via the FCC!
alleydog |
12.12.04 - 3:56 am | #
I am all for going after Madison Avenue for the tatseless crap they dump on us and I espescially love the idea of going after the drug companies via the FCC!
alleydog |
12.12.04 - 3:56 am | #
How could we forget about all the filth in the bible? Lets infiltrate a Bozo's club and then sue WalMart for selling religious smut. Force them to sell an edited version.
Bluto W Bush |
12.12.04 - 4:04 am | #
How could we forget about all the filth in the bible? Lets infiltrate a Bozo's club and then sue WalMart for selling religious smut. Force them to sell an edited version.
Bluto W Bush |
12.12.04 - 4:04 am | #
Since Fox is the house organ (huh huh, I said organ) of the Current Occupants and they're also (AFA says so) the cutting edge of trash on TV, if you're gonna do it I say concentrate on Fox. At the very least if they want to complain about it they'll be forced to argue that we're not really attacking them for showing leering trash on TV, we're attacking them for their Conservative Family Values.
Which they finance by showing leering trash on TV.
I'd like to see that press conference.
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12.12.04 - 4:23 am | #
Since Fox is the house organ (huh huh, I said organ) of the Current Occupants and they're also (AFA says so) the cutting edge of trash on TV, if you're gonna do it I say concentrate on Fox. At the very least if they want to complain about it they'll be forced to argue that we're not really attacking them for showing leering trash on TV, we're attacking them for their Conservative Family Values.
Which they finance by showing leering trash on TV.
I'd like to see that press conference.
julia |
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12.12.04 - 4:23 am | #
Concerning Fox: the O.C. is planning a lesbian kiss later this season so you can complain about that.
Dan the Man |
12.12.04 - 4:28 am | #
Concerning Fox: the O.C. is planning a lesbian kiss later this season so you can complain about that.
Dan the Man |
12.12.04 - 4:28 am | #
Go after Fox.
It would be one thing if they were 'just' hypocrites but they are not; they are sociopathic schizophrenics.
That's what makes them dangerous.
Also - they 'are' obscene.
fancourt |
12.12.04 - 5:00 am | #
Go after Fox.
It would be one thing if they were 'just' hypocrites but they are not; they are sociopathic schizophrenics.
That's what makes them dangerous.
Also - they 'are' obscene.
fancourt |
12.12.04 - 5:00 am | #
I like the idea of filing ridiculous complaints about things like "Touched By An Angel" -- a little bit of dada in the system would be a good thing. But for max impact and contrast, we should go for something clearly non-sexual.
My idea: baseball.
If they don't get anything worked out about the steroid problem by the time opening day arrives, we should call up and complain about every game that's broadcast over the air.
"Why are my children being exposed to an institution that not only willingly tolerates the abuse of dangerous drugs, but that now depends on such toleration in order to create its most lauded successes?"
et cetera, et cetera. 162 games a year.
ide |
12.12.04 - 5:42 am | #
I like the idea of filing ridiculous complaints about things like "Touched By An Angel" -- a little bit of dada in the system would be a good thing. But for max impact and contrast, we should go for something clearly non-sexual.
My idea: baseball.
If they don't get anything worked out about the steroid problem by the time opening day arrives, we should call up and complain about every game that's broadcast over the air.
"Why are my children being exposed to an institution that not only willingly tolerates the abuse of dangerous drugs, but that now depends on such toleration in order to create its most lauded successes?"
et cetera, et cetera. 162 games a year.
ide |
12.12.04 - 5:42 am | #
How about Desperate Housewives or some reality show? They're especially popular among the dyed-blonde, chain smoking, thrice-divorced Jerry Springer trailer trash that make up about half the "moral valyas" vote here in the Bahbul Bayult.
Kevin Carson |
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12.12.04 - 7:10 am | #
How about Desperate Housewives or some reality show? They're especially popular among the dyed-blonde, chain smoking, thrice-divorced Jerry Springer trailer trash that make up about half the "moral valyas" vote here in the Bahbul Bayult.
Kevin Carson |
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12.12.04 - 7:10 am | #
Maybe you could complain about all the sex that's been cut from TV. I want to see Jamie Lee Curtis' tits in Trading Places! It's the only thing that would make it worth watching that movie again.
If you want to do a service to humanity, why not try to get rid of that Animal Planet pet psychic (or any psychic for that matter). There are also many ads that make preposterous claims to stupid America like the one for the halogen cooker that, "cooks from the inside-out."
blu |
12.12.04 - 7:13 am | #
Maybe you could complain about all the sex that's been cut from TV. I want to see Jamie Lee Curtis' tits in Trading Places! It's the only thing that would make it worth watching that movie again.
If you want to do a service to humanity, why not try to get rid of that Animal Planet pet psychic (or any psychic for that matter). There are also many ads that make preposterous claims to stupid America like the one for the halogen cooker that, "cooks from the inside-out."
blu |
12.12.04 - 7:13 am | #
Yeah, as a few have said: we would have to be careful with this one.
BUT the idea is to CO-OPT and ridicule at the same time.
CO-OPT the process by engaging it as ours. Ridicule it with the thought mentioned above: find something in every show, even or especially, silly stuff you have to stretch to complain about.
If it's not obvious that we are being extreme to prove a point, then we do come off as fellow-censors.
David A |
12.12.04 - 8:23 am | #
Yeah, as a few have said: we would have to be careful with this one.
BUT the idea is to CO-OPT and ridicule at the same time.
CO-OPT the process by engaging it as ours. Ridicule it with the thought mentioned above: find something in every show, even or especially, silly stuff you have to stretch to complain about.
If it's not obvious that we are being extreme to prove a point, then we do come off as fellow-censors.
David A |
12.12.04 - 8:23 am | #
If you wanna hit the red staters, you gotta go after country music videos. I suggest "Stays in Mexico" by Toby Keith as the first target.
Greg |
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12.12.04 - 8:39 am | #
If you wanna hit the red staters, you gotta go after country music videos. I suggest "Stays in Mexico" by Toby Keith as the first target.
Greg |
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12.12.04 - 8:39 am | #
Violent advertising. Violent show trailers and boxing ads that children shouldn't see are played a lot during sporting events.
I'd like to eliminate all advertising directed at children. But I think it's easy to make a compelling case about not showing kids images of a boxer smashing someone in the head when the family is just watching some basketball --Pistons/Pacers games excepted.
Miller |
12.12.04 - 8:51 am | #
Violent advertising. Violent show trailers and boxing ads that children shouldn't see are played a lot during sporting events.
I'd like to eliminate all advertising directed at children. But I think it's easy to make a compelling case about not showing kids images of a boxer smashing someone in the head when the family is just watching some basketball --Pistons/Pacers games excepted.
Miller |
12.12.04 - 8:51 am | #
I absolutely agree with this concept. This is exactly what came to mind as I read about these idiots. Someone should coordinate and pick some total stupid and arbitrary thing and blast the hell out of it. It shouldn't be just one particular show, or even anything people like us wouldn't like. Just anything.
Paul |
12.12.04 - 8:59 am | #
I absolutely agree with this concept. This is exactly what came to mind as I read about these idiots. Someone should coordinate and pick some total stupid and arbitrary thing and blast the hell out of it. It shouldn't be just one particular show, or even anything people like us wouldn't like. Just anything.
Paul |
12.12.04 - 8:59 am | #
You all go read corrente.com
Lambert has an article about Wal-Mart being sued because they sold music without a label - it is from an AP article.
Nancy |
12.12.04 - 9:16 am | #
You all go read corrente.com
Lambert has an article about Wal-Mart being sued because they sold music without a label - it is from an AP article.
Nancy |
12.12.04 - 9:16 am | #
It's WAY past time time that L. Brent Bozo himself was investigated.
Somebody with money should look under that rock and report back in exhaustive detail.
David Ehrenstein |
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12.12.04 - 9:33 am | #
It's WAY past time time that L. Brent Bozo himself was investigated.
Somebody with money should look under that rock and report back in exhaustive detail.
David Ehrenstein |
Homepage |
12.12.04 - 9:33 am | #
Everything on Fox?
Trevor |
12.12.04 - 10:00 am | #
Everything on Fox?
Trevor |
12.12.04 - 10:00 am | #
I think this whole FCC crack down serves two purposes for the right wing repubs:
1. its a easy and tangiable payback to the morals base that does not cost any thing.
2. its a way to prssure the networks from aggressively reporting on the admins disaster in Iraq and its regressive domestic policies.
3. Its a key diversion and cover for the really big game of 2005: The SS "reform" campaign. They need to keep the network news away from really examining it. With the dems isolated in the congress and a neutered press they can think they pass that thing quickly well in adavance of the 2006 election cycles. SS reform once passed will have a slow rollout and will be a non-issue by 2006. The disaster would be years away.
DC |
12.12.04 - 10:01 am | #
I think this whole FCC crack down serves two purposes for the right wing repubs:
1. its a easy and tangiable payback to the morals base that does not cost any thing.
2. its a way to prssure the networks from aggressively reporting on the admins disaster in Iraq and its regressive domestic policies.
3. Its a key diversion and cover for the really big game of 2005: The SS "reform" campaign. They need to keep the network news away from really examining it. With the dems isolated in the congress and a neutered press they can think they pass that thing quickly well in adavance of the 2006 election cycles. SS reform once passed will have a slow rollout and will be a non-issue by 2006. The disaster would be years away.
DC |
12.12.04 - 10:01 am | #
"The "vagina lockbox" was in some reference to - yep, you guessed it - Hilary. Who knows what point he was trying to make. Whoever really knows."
It may be that Rush needed the Oxycontin just to get himself into the mindset of his average listener.
Steve Paradis |
12.12.04 - 10:18 am | #
"The "vagina lockbox" was in some reference to - yep, you guessed it - Hilary. Who knows what point he was trying to make. Whoever really knows."
It may be that Rush needed the Oxycontin just to get himself into the mindset of his average listener.
Steve Paradis |
12.12.04 - 10:18 am | #
Fox's reality show concerning swapping wives.
Chris Rasmussen |
Homepage |
12.12.04 - 11:29 am | #
Fox's reality show concerning swapping wives.
Chris Rasmussen |
Homepage |
12.12.04 - 11:29 am | #
I nominate the entire programming schedule of the following cable channels: CMT, OLN, SPIKE, FOX, LIFETIME, O!, WE, ESPN, ESPN2, well, just about anything but CSPAN, CSPAN 2, Natonal Geographic, Discover, History, PBS (sometimes), and a few I can't bother to think about but may watch from time to time.
Most of the stuff people watch is pure shit.
Jon R. Koppenhoefer |
12.12.04 - 12:15 pm | #
I nominate the entire programming schedule of the following cable channels: CMT, OLN, SPIKE, FOX, LIFETIME, O!, WE, ESPN, ESPN2, well, just about anything but CSPAN, CSPAN 2, Natonal Geographic, Discover, History, PBS (sometimes), and a few I can't bother to think about but may watch from time to time.
Most of the stuff people watch is pure shit.
Jon R. Koppenhoefer |
12.12.04 - 12:15 pm | #
How about NASCAR and all those nasty crashes?
Jai Lai Liberal |
12.12.04 - 12:15 pm | #
How about NASCAR and all those nasty crashes?
Jai Lai Liberal |
12.12.04 - 12:15 pm | #
SPIKE = the testosterone-driven idiot network.
Wasn't that the Nashville Channel.
Terry C |
12.12.04 - 12:28 pm | #
SPIKE = the testosterone-driven idiot network.
Wasn't that the Nashville Channel.
Terry C |
12.12.04 - 12:28 pm | #
"Ann Coulter. We must protest anything she's on. She spreads virulent hatred. She recommends hitting liberals with baseball bats."
I'd like to see that cunt TRY to hit ME with a bat.
I'll jam it SO far up her bony ass she'll beg for more!
Terry C |
12.12.04 - 12:35 pm | #
"Ann Coulter. We must protest anything she's on. She spreads virulent hatred. She recommends hitting liberals with baseball bats."
I'd like to see that cunt TRY to hit ME with a bat.
I'll jam it SO far up her bony ass she'll beg for more!
Terry C |
12.12.04 - 12:35 pm | #
I'm waiting to hear that the networks got the go-ahead to air The Passion of the Christ. All that violence, can't be good for young minds. The fact that bloody violence is used as an evangelism device is pretty disgusting.
Litz |
12.12.04 - 1:13 pm | #
I'm waiting to hear that the networks got the go-ahead to air The Passion of the Christ. All that violence, can't be good for young minds. The fact that bloody violence is used as an evangelism device is pretty disgusting.
Litz |
12.12.04 - 1:13 pm | #
It may be that Rush needed the Oxycontin just to get himself into the mindset of his average listener.
Oxy is terribly constipating, as I found out when I had knee surgery last year. I chose the pain over the "other" side effect. But that explains why Rush has been so cranky and bloated all these years.
Litz |
12.12.04 - 1:15 pm | #
It may be that Rush needed the Oxycontin just to get himself into the mindset of his average listener.
Oxy is terribly constipating, as I found out when I had knee surgery last year. I chose the pain over the "other" side effect. But that explains why Rush has been so cranky and bloated all these years.
Litz |
12.12.04 - 1:15 pm | #
I have written to complain of Fox News. How they can continue to call themselves a news organization is beyond me. Is there no value to credibility anymore?
Mrs French |
12.12.04 - 2:08 pm | #
I have written to complain of Fox News. How they can continue to call themselves a news organization is beyond me. Is there no value to credibility anymore?
Mrs French |
12.12.04 - 2:08 pm | #
I don't know if anyone posted this upthread, because I don't acutally have two days free with which to read the entire thread, but hopefully someone has been following along.
On Friday night, CBS broadcast a program that was funded and promoted directly, the Billy Graham Ministries. It was a show called, "A Voe to Cherish". It was broadcast and showed a commercial before and afterword for the DVD as put out by the Billy Graham.org folks.
It seems to me, that in light of recent UCC issues, this would be fair game for complaints.
Also, in light of recent revelations regarding Brent Bobblehead's activities, complaints would be apprpriate for any number of products, including Viagra, Cialis, etc., and also Victoria's Secret ads.
Also, I am positive that there are any number of things braodcast on the Today Show that would fall into this category as well.
genoasail |
12.12.04 - 2:14 pm | #
I don't know if anyone posted this upthread, because I don't acutally have two days free with which to read the entire thread, but hopefully someone has been following along.
On Friday night, CBS broadcast a program that was funded and promoted directly, the Billy Graham Ministries. It was a show called, "A Voe to Cherish". It was broadcast and showed a commercial before and afterword for the DVD as put out by the Billy Graham.org folks.
It seems to me, that in light of recent UCC issues, this would be fair game for complaints.
Also, in light of recent revelations regarding Brent Bobblehead's activities, complaints would be apprpriate for any number of products, including Viagra, Cialis, etc., and also Victoria's Secret ads.
Also, I am positive that there are any number of things braodcast on the Today Show that would fall into this category as well.
genoasail |
12.12.04 - 2:14 pm | #
Me - I'd find a way to go after TV shows like MTV's "I want to date your daughter", Temptation Island, Bachelor, Bachelorette, Joe Millionaire, etc. as harming the sanctity of marriage. There are hundreds of dispicable acts in each show . . . hey, if a gay man can't visit his lover in the ICU, then I don't want to see 17 year old Madison teaching her Mom how to tell boys that her daughter's body is "like woah" or how dear daughter Nicole's nickname is "ChroNicole". I also don't want to hear the sloppy slurping of kissing and oral sex on Fox. I don't want my nephews to think that love is found by your top TV producers.
Ben |
12.12.04 - 2:56 pm | #
Me - I'd find a way to go after TV shows like MTV's "I want to date your daughter", Temptation Island, Bachelor, Bachelorette, Joe Millionaire, etc. as harming the sanctity of marriage. There are hundreds of dispicable acts in each show . . . hey, if a gay man can't visit his lover in the ICU, then I don't want to see 17 year old Madison teaching her Mom how to tell boys that her daughter's body is "like woah" or how dear daughter Nicole's nickname is "ChroNicole". I also don't want to hear the sloppy slurping of kissing and oral sex on Fox. I don't want my nephews to think that love is found by your top TV producers.
Ben |
12.12.04 - 2:56 pm | #
How about Billy Graham for violating Truth in Advertising regulations?
DevilWhiskey |
12.12.04 - 7:06 pm | #
How about Billy Graham for violating Truth in Advertising regulations?
DevilWhiskey |
12.12.04 - 7:06 pm | #
How about Billy Graham for violating Truth in Advertising regulations?
DevilWhiskey |
12.12.04 - 7:07 pm | #
How about Billy Graham for violating Truth in Advertising regulations?
DevilWhiskey |
12.12.04 - 7:07 pm | #
Let's start at the top of the list. The most obscene things that get on TV are: George Bush, then the rest of his administration.
Ed Martin |
12.12.04 - 7:50 pm | #
Let's start at the top of the list. The most obscene things that get on TV are: George Bush, then the rest of his administration.
Ed Martin |
12.12.04 - 7:50 pm | #
I'd try to muck around with CFR Section 73.1212 Sponsorship identification; list retention; related requirements.
Quote:
(d) In the case of any political broadcast matter or any broadcast
matter involving the discussion of a controversial issue of public
importance for which any film, record, transcription, talent, script, or
other material or service of any kind is furnished, either directly or
indirectly, to a station as an inducement for broadcasting such matter,
an announcement shall be made both at the beginning and conclusion of
such broadcast on which such material or service is used that such film,
record, transcription, talent, script, or other material or service has
been furnished to such station in connection with the transmission of
such broadcast matter: Provided, however, That in the case of any
broadcast of 5 minutes' duration or less, only one such announcement
need be made either at the beginning or conclusion of the broadcast.
A F(r)iend |
12.12.04 - 8:10 pm | #
I'd try to muck around with CFR Section 73.1212 Sponsorship identification; list retention; related requirements.
Quote:
(d) In the case of any political broadcast matter or any broadcast
matter involving the discussion of a controversial issue of public
importance for which any film, record, transcription, talent, script, or
other material or service of any kind is furnished, either directly or
indirectly, to a station as an inducement for broadcasting such matter,
an announcement shall be made both at the beginning and conclusion of
such broadcast on which such material or service is used that such film,
record, transcription, talent, script, or other material or service has
been furnished to such station in connection with the transmission of
such broadcast matter: Provided, however, That in the case of any
broadcast of 5 minutes' duration or less, only one such announcement
need be made either at the beginning or conclusion of the broadcast.
A F(r)iend |
12.12.04 - 8:10 pm | #
fox in in Denver runs gay men meetup ads and phone sex ads late at night. It's okay with me but I think it's wrong for Fox to do it.
marc sobel |
12.12.04 - 8:25 pm | #
fox in in Denver runs gay men meetup ads and phone sex ads late at night. It's okay with me but I think it's wrong for Fox to do it.
marc sobel |
12.12.04 - 8:25 pm | #
Anything that celebrates obscene... WEALTH. Let's join some class warfare together with the decency crusade.
FlipYrWhig |
12.13.04 - 1:58 am | #
Anything that celebrates obscene... WEALTH. Let's join some class warfare together with the decency crusade.
FlipYrWhig |
12.13.04 - 1:58 am | #
Wife Swap. The Bachelorette. The Bachelor. Really, any reality show that has as its premise that a relationship can grow out of a commercial contract.
Karen |
12.13.04 - 11:52 am | #
Wife Swap. The Bachelorette. The Bachelor. Really, any reality show that has as its premise that a relationship can grow out of a commercial contract.
Karen |
12.13.04 - 11:52 am | #
Thank God for A&E, Discovery, TLC, History Channel, BBC-America, etc.
I think network television is absolutely shit, except for "Law and Order" and "CSI" (I love true crime stuff; Ann Rule is my favorite author).
Those reality shows suck, big time!
Terry C |
12.13.04 - 3:41 pm | #
Thank God for A&E, Discovery, TLC, History Channel, BBC-America, etc.
I think network television is absolutely shit, except for "Law and Order" and "CSI" (I love true crime stuff; Ann Rule is my favorite author).
Those reality shows suck, big time!
Terry C |
12.13.04 - 3:41 pm | #
Faux news. I think it's obscene and against public interest. Yank those tickets when they come up for renewal.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo |
Homepage |
12.14.04 - 1:24 am | #
Faux news. I think it's obscene and against public interest. Yank those tickets when they come up for renewal.
Cheers,
Arne Langsetmo |
Homepage |
12.14.04 - 1:24 am | #
Wow. I'm first. Or is it Frist?
Anyway, how about we target celbrity worship?
Or local stations whose idea of local news for two hours a day is fires, murder, mayhem, and celebrity gossip--complete with all the gruesome photos and film?
Is any of this really a public benefit?
mitchell freedman |
04.10.05 - 9:50 pm | #
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06.15.05 - 9:24 am | #
It's easy: Target reality shows that feature kids.
Who's to say that these crews aren't permitting child abuse, either through putting kids through stress of being monitored 24 hours a day, or being manipulated into behaviors detrimental to their development, exaggerating their faults to make the solutions dramatic?