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I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

Frist?
Jules | 12.17.04 - 1:41 pm | #

Bill O'Leilly can go Cheney himself.

What a pea-brain.
alex | 12.17.04 - 1:42 pm | #

Dan Burton on line one.
cleek | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 1:43 pm | #

"I'm Chevy Chase, and Bush is still a dumb f---."
alex | 12.17.04 - 1:43 pm | #

How is it even possible that one has such a selective memory. Cheney him!

Oh, and I challenge all liberals to wear something falafel related when appearing on O'Reilly's show. Throw him off his game and I'll bet he's nothing but a blowhard.
Smitty Werbenmanjensen | 12.17.04 - 1:44 pm | #

O Really is a pompous self-promoting twit who should be simply ignored by rational people.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | 12.17.04 - 1:44 pm | #

Aren't his 15 minutes of fame about over with?

Actually, I find O'Reilly less offensive than Sean or Rush. O'Reilly is comic relief in many ways. No one can take himself that seriously and be respected.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 1:46 pm | #

The question on the table is O'Reilly a coward and a dumb cheney?
Starr Jones | 12.17.04 - 1:46 pm | #

Remember when Dick "Army" Armey referred to Clinton as "your president"?
Smitty Werbenmanjensen | 12.17.04 - 1:47 pm | #

The old man said:
"O Really is a pompous self-promoting twit who should be simply ignored by rational people."

He is.
NuculerMan | 12.17.04 - 1:47 pm | #

Sorry to go OT so soon, but I'm on this Florida real estate agent's e-mail list. Just now I got a bulk mail containing possibly the greatest typo in keyboarding history:

Hope all is well and you have a joyous holiday season. I will be out of the office from DEC. 18-30 fisting my children in Boston. Burrrr!

I kid you not.

And on-topic: As a not-so-prominent Democrat, I'd be happy to curse out O'Reilly, if it'll help. Or even if it won't. Cursing him out would make me very happy.
Jo Public | 12.17.04 - 1:48 pm | #

O'Loofah is a bad man. He's not a good man.
Lynne Cheney | 12.17.04 - 1:48 pm | #

i decided that o'reilly has to be officially insane after watching him the other day lecture one of his guests on the inability he perceives democrats have with acting in morally sound ways.

after his little phone trist with his producer, you'd think at the very least he'd have the decency to shut the fuck up when he got a pang of desire to lecture on morals.

but no, not when you're insane, right o'reilly?
wastelandusa | 12.17.04 - 1:49 pm | #

"you don't see prominent conservatives cursing out Democratic members of Congress"

O'Really???

I can't resist the pun, sorry...
renato | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 1:49 pm | #

Bill O'Reilly --- [in no particular order]
1) Liar
2) Coward
3) Pompous Windbag
4) Fascist
5) Crybaby ("He insulted me! I'm gonna sue him!!")
6) Hypocrite
7) Pervert

Did I forget any?
alex | 12.17.04 - 1:50 pm | #

O'Lielly is a "major league asshole."
desertswine | 12.17.04 - 1:50 pm | #

I've also never cursed out anyone on my show.
Bill O'Reilly | 12.17.04 - 1:50 pm | #

Aren't his 15 minutes of fame about over with?

...not when somebody's backing you with tons of cash. O'Reilly's in the newspaper, radio, and television. WT?F!
Darryl Pearce | 12.17.04 - 1:51 pm | #

You would basically be in the shower and then I would come in and I'd join you and you would have your back to me and I would take that little loofa thing and kinda soap up your back... rub it all over you, get you to relax, hot water... and um... you know, you'd feel the tension drain out of you and uh you still would be with your back to me then I would kinda put my arm - it's one of those mitts, those loofa mitts you know, so I got my hands in it... and I would put it around front, kinda rub your tummy a little bit with it, and then with my other hand I would start to massage your boobs, get your nipples really hard... cuz I like that and you have really spectacular boobs...

So anyway I'd be rubbing your big boobs and getting your nipples really hard, kinda kissing your neck from behind... and then I would take the other hand with the falafel thing and I'd put it on your pussy but you'd have to do it really light, just kind of a tease business...
Bill O'Reilly | 12.17.04 - 1:51 pm | #

Well, what he meant was that since Pat Leahy doesn't have a really prominent nose, he doesn't count.

Jo Public,

I'm still trying to figure out what the realtor meant. "Visiting"?
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 1:52 pm | #

ot, but more from bobo's world:

December 17, 2004
Search on for Fetus Cut From Mother's Womb
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 9:56 a.m. ET

SKIDMORE, Mo. (AP) -- Police were trying to find an infant they believe could still be alive after being cut from the womb of its mother, slain in her northwest Missouri home Thursday afternoon.

The Nodaway County Sheriff's Department issued an Amber Alert about 12:30 a.m. for the child, believed to be female. The alert said police were looking for a suspect who may have blond hair who possibly was driving a red vehicle. The sheriff's department said officials did not know if the person they were looking for was a man or woman.

``I believe there is a live 8-month-old fetus out there we need to find,'' Sheriff Bill Espey said.

The child's mother, Bobbi Jo Stinnett, 23, was eight months pregnant. Her mother found her inside her home and called police at 3:38 p.m. Paramedics tried to revive the young woman, who was pronouced dead later at St. Francis Hospital in Maryville.

``Someone was wanting a baby awful bad,'' Espey said.

The Missouri Major Case Squad, the Missouri State Highway Patrol and an investigation team from neighboring Buchanan County were assisting Nodaway County officials in the investigation.

An autopsy was to be conducted in Kansas City by the Jackson County medical examiner.

``We're looking into strangulation,'' the sheriff said. ``We know she was alive in the afternoon, within an hour of being found.''

Espey said there were no visible signs of struggle on the victim's body, and no indication of forced entry into her small white home in this small community of about 500, located north of St. Joseph in the extreme northwest corner of Missouri.

...The sheriff said the couple had no known enemies and were well-liked in the neighborhood.

``They stayed to themselves,'' said Dragoo. ``They didn't bother anybody. It blows my mind that this happened. She was such a shy person. They didn't deserve this.''
bkny | 12.17.04 - 1:53 pm | #

Did I forget any?
alex

Asshat.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 1:53 pm | #

"spectacular boobs"

cue woot...
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 1:53 pm | #

Watertiger: I guessed he meant "visiting" too. At least I hope so.
Jo Public | 12.17.04 - 1:54 pm | #

bkny,

obviously the victim of a satanic . . . and liberal . . . cult.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 1:54 pm | #

Jesus...reading that O'Reilly phone
call has put me off sex for the rest
of my life.

Thanks a lot.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 1:54 pm | #

Since when is Chevy Chase a "prominent Democrat"? He's not even a prominent hasbeen.
Draco | 12.17.04 - 1:57 pm | #

hopefully we're seeing Alzheimer's manifesting itself.
bo | 12.17.04 - 1:57 pm | #

I think that Republicans tend to suffer from Alzheimer's much more than Democrats do. This is just an example of pre-Alzheimer's.

I think it's because they don't use their brains as much as Dems do.
mimi | 12.17.04 - 1:58 pm | #

I think it's because they don't use their brains as much as Dems do.

It's a known fact that they can't finish the Sunday Times crossword puzzle.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:00 pm | #

``I believe there is a live 8-month-old fetus out there we need to find,'' Sheriff Bill Espey said.
Strange most of us would call the child an infant, if it were alive, or is that a liberal term? Gruesome story.
bo | 12.17.04 - 2:01 pm | #

Freep MSNBC!
[scroll down, right side]

Should Pres. Bush ignore the calls for Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's resignation?

Yes

No
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:01 pm | #

If any woman ever breathed a word I'll make her pay so dearly that she'll wish she'd never been born. I'll rake her through the mud, bring up things in her life and make her so miserable that she'll be destroyed. And besides, she wouldn't be able to afford the lawyers I can or endure it financially as long as I can. And nobody would believe her, it'd be her word against mine and who are they going to believe? Me or some unstable woman making outrageous accusations? They'd see her as some psycho, someone unstable.

Besides, I'd never make the mistake of picking unstable crazy girls like that.

If you cross Fox News Channel, it's not just me, it's Roger Ailes who will go after you. I'm the sreet guy out front making loud noises about the issues, but Ailes operates behind the scenes, strategizes and makes things happen so that one day BAM! The person gets what's coming to them but never sees it coming. Look at Al Franken, one day he's going to get a knock on his door and life as he's known it will change forever. That day will happen, trust me.
Bill O'Reilly | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:02 pm | #

OH RIGHT JUST BECUZ BILL HAD A SEX URGE ONE TIME AND EXPREZED IT INA WAY THAT MAYBE WAS'NT TOTELY APROPRIET YUR GONNA PREETEND LIKE HEES TOTELY DISCREDDED LIKE YOU LIBERLAS NEVER HAD A SEX URGE WHEN EVRY ONE KNOES LIBS HARDLEY THINK ABOWT ANY OTHOR SUBJEK ONEST 2 GOD I DONT KNOE HOW YU ALL LIV WITH YORSELFS YOR ALL LIERS AND HIPPOCRITS BUT LUKY FOR ALL OF US AMERCA ISNT LISTNING SO SKREW YU AND THE RABBET YOU HOPPED IN ON.
Moronkin Patriot | 12.17.04 - 2:02 pm | #

Hi gang. Coffee?

Is O'Reilly still in the news?
Brock's smackdown letter rocks.

My dad starting acting weird like O'Reilly, with delusions and false memories. Then he died.

Is silly Bill trying to tell us something? Maybe it's a desperate cry for help.
gonzo | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:03 pm | #

I think the words "borderline psychotic" spring to mind. As with Ann Coulter, who's just so wacky as to believe there's nothing that will help her this side of shock therapy or a lobotomy.
Smitty Werbenmanjensen | 12.17.04 - 2:03 pm | #

OT re Bobo's world--Did anyone see a story yesterday about a man who was reading the Bible and then impulsively decided to circumcise his 8-yr old son with a kitchen knife? I just heard a brief "teaser" on CNN. He's apparently in jail now and says he meant no harm. But we really ought to ban this dangerous book.
Draco | 12.17.04 - 2:04 pm | #

"During the course of O'Reilly's telephone monologue on August 2, 2004, he suggested that Plaintiff Andrea Mackris purchase a vibrator and name it, and that he had one 'shaped like a cok with a little battery in it' that a woman had given him. It became apparent that Defendant [O'Reilly] was masturbating as he spoke. After he climaxed, Defendant O'Reilly said to Plaintiff: 'I appreciate the fun phone call. You can have fun tonight. I'll appreciate it. I mean it.'"
Bill O'Reilly | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:05 pm | #

He put his falafel inside her, moving rapidly.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 2:06 pm | #

Strange most of us would call the child an infant, if it were alive, or is that a liberal term? Gruesome story.

calling it a "live fetus" makes for better copy.

Makes me think of a punk/metal band's recorded shows.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:06 pm | #

Actually, O'Reilly reminds me more of
a sort of frothing Andrew Sullivan,
i.e. everything he says is either
a lie or totally illogical.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 2:07 pm | #

OT re Bobo's world--Did anyone see a story yesterday about a man who was reading the Bible and then impulsively decided to circumcise his 8-yr old son with a kitchen knife?

JESUSFUCKINGCHRIST!
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:07 pm | #

Good point about the kid, krsaz.

watertiger, I have to admit this, because it is the truth:

My dad was an auto mechanic. Owned his own gas station for years. He never graduated high school. Yet he completes the NY Times Crossword Puzzle without fail every Sunday.

I, on the other hand, graduated from college, majored in English, never received less than an "A" on a paper the entire time I was in school, and work with words for a living, but I cannot, for the life of me, do a crossword puzzle. I don't know why that is ~ if it's a patience thing, or what (my mind tends to dart in and out of things...always ticking away, often times about nothing).

I'm excellent Scrabble player, though.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 2:08 pm | #

a man who was reading the Bible and then impulsively decided to circumcise his 8-yr old son with a kitchen knife? - kid's lucky dad didn't decide that Abraham was chickenshit and that someone need to do that sacrifice right.
bo | 12.17.04 - 2:10 pm | #

Media Matters is getting snarky.

Good ^_^.
Evilboy | 12.17.04 - 2:10 pm | #

How come television news programs don't have corrections like newspapers do? Hell, they don't even have to put it on the air, but can put it on their web site or even print it and fax it to me. I'll send it out.

But it seems to me that for all they get wrong there should be held to the same standard as the print media.
Poppy McCool | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:11 pm | #

Vicki:

Maybe you're doing it wrong, communal bed on Sunday Morning, cup a coffee, cooperative effort...
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 2:11 pm | #

``I believe there is a live 8-month-old fetus out there we need to find,'' Sheriff Bill Espey said.

Strange most of us would call the child an infant, if it were alive, or is that a liberal term? Gruesome story.

I've been trying to parse this all morning. My take is that its "fetus" status apparently makes it more valuable. Stolen babies are so 2003.
Christopher | 12.17.04 - 2:12 pm | #

Best legitimate Scrabble word ever:

crwth.

It's a Welsh musical instrument.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 2:12 pm | #

O'Reilly is, quite frankly, too cheneying stupid to be allowed to live.
Gary Frazier | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:12 pm | #

I'm having trouble finding appropriate words to describe guys like Bush, Cheney, O'Reilly, etc. I don't like denigrating whores, bastards, neanderthals, monkeys, dogs, animals with small and simple nervous systems. I have nothing against any of these types of people or creatures. I respect whores, my half brother is technically a bastard, I have nothing against proto-humans, lower primates or various creatures.

These men are difficult to describe, but they're best described accurately: Murderous, criminally insane, spiritually and morally bankrupt, wicked, twisted, sick, bent, etc.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:13 pm | #

so is that a malignant crwth in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?
bo | 12.17.04 - 2:13 pm | #

One other thing, there's nothing wrong with intellectually retarded people, dumb people, intellectual under-achievers. Nothing wrong with 'fuckers' either. The term "Bushevik" denigrates Bolsheviks. Just thought I'd add those to the list of words which aren't very appropriate to describe our political opposition.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:15 pm | #

Vicki:

Maybe you're doing it wrong, communal bed on Sunday Morning, cup a coffee, cooperative effort...
krsaz

I'm in, babe! A three letter word, 6 across, that means "absolutely in agreement..."
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 2:16 pm | #

Bo, I'm going to post a scary picture of Cheny on my blog, just for you.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:16 pm | #

He put his crwth inside her loofah mitt, moving rapidly.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 2:17 pm | #

Vicki -- would that be "aye"? (Assuming I can barge in on your crossword...)
Jo Public | 12.17.04 - 2:17 pm | #

I'm in, babe! A three letter word, 6 across, that means "absolutely in
agreement..."
Vicki Stein | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:16 pm | #

My heartbreak is unconsolable.....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 2:18 pm | #

I've always been a big fan of Chevy Chase. For some reason Modern Problems was one of my favorite movies as a kid.
Sean | 12.17.04 - 2:18 pm | #

While we're on the topic of words and spelling --

http://tinyurl.com/4kco2

Very, um... challanging.
Jo Public | 12.17.04 - 2:20 pm | #

It's interesting to watch the whole thing start to implode, but scary as well. Once Hitler was in power, it only took him 6 months to target homosexuals and Jews and start shipping them off, with the consent and cooperation of many of the german volks. These people (pols and pundits) are obviously sick, perverted psychos, but at what point can we no longer effect any change? We can't just let them go on destroying what took over 200 years to build, can we?
Ronjazz | 12.17.04 - 2:20 pm | #

Vicki--Crossword puzzles are a specialized skill; you need to learn a lot of crosswordese like anoa (Celebes ox) ecu (old French coin) and adit (mine entrance) for starters. These words become in-jokes for puzzlers, so you might get a clue like "That darn ox again." The British puzzles are much more interesting, relying on obscure wordplay. "Hazard to shake a veggie patch (6)" yields "danger" for the answer (it's a synonym for hazard and an anagram of garden).
Draco | 12.17.04 - 2:20 pm | #

Bill's been hittin' on Rush's stash this week, is that it? 'Cause he can't be makin' this shit up on purpose--can he?
Big Daddy Mars | 12.17.04 - 2:21 pm | #

Bush's idea of democracy in the Middle East:

A U.S. official, who declined to be named, said he did not know of a deal to bring Allawi back, but said it was clear any Iraqi prime minister would have to be palatable to Washington.

In other words, the U.S. has veto power over any "elected" Iraqi leader.

Democracy in action, Bush style.....
wolf-man | 12.17.04 - 2:21 pm | #

He is senile . . . but you knew that already.
Jane T | 12.17.04 - 2:21 pm | #

Bo, click my 'webpage' link to have a look.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:23 pm | #

and here i thought i would never like chevy chase again.
exposethemall | 12.17.04 - 2:23 pm | #

At some point of time Fox will reimage O'Reilly's show, putting him in a stall on a pile of hay. Before every interview, they will toss him a live chicken and encourage him to bite its head off. If he refuses, they will goad him on with a cattle prod. Guests will be encouraged to wear easily laundered clothing that is stain resistant due to the blood laden spittle that will accompany any interview OReilly gives.
EkCenTriK | 12.17.04 - 2:24 pm | #

OT, but I'm really enjoying Joe Conason on Franken's show (Al is doing a USO gig in Kuwait and Iraq.) The guy is quick, perceptive and has a hilarious dead pan wit. More of this please.
Another Bruce | 12.17.04 - 2:24 pm | #

My dad starting acting weird like O'Reilly, with delusions and false memories. Then he died.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 2:24 pm | #

That's weird- haloscan ate 1/2 my comment.

Let's try again.

My dad starting acting weird like O'Reilly, with delusions and false memories. Then he died.

I'm sorry, but that made me laugh.

And, oddly enough, it happened to my dad too. He had a huge, farking brain tumor. Maybe an MRI is in order for Mr. Falafel.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 2:27 pm | #

And Conason rules.

I'd love to see him debate O'falafel.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 2:28 pm | #

Remember, conservatives make their own reality. By saying it, O'Reilly has made it so. Resistance is futile.
the sloganeer | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:28 pm | #

I just want to take this moment to observe that blogger sucks ass.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 2:29 pm | #

Resistance is futile.

All liberals will be assimilated, or destroyed...
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 2:31 pm | #

Dig my blog folks, funny pictures. I'm new to blogging, so please tolerate this one plug. Click my homepage link.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:32 pm | #

Alex,

"bloviating asshole."
citizen Able | 12.17.04 - 2:33 pm | #

four legs--HaloScan has been extra tetchy with italics tags the last few days. I now try to copy all my posts here before submitting them, assuming they'll be mangled and foreshortened. Pain in the neck and I usually forget.
Draco | 12.17.04 - 2:33 pm | #

All liberals will be assimilated, or destroyed...
krsaz | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:31 pm | #

you ain't got the sand boy!
exposethemall | 12.17.04 - 2:34 pm | #

Remember, conservatives make their own reality. By saying it, O'Reilly has made it so. Resistance is futile.
the sloganeer

I wonder if his mother ever found out that he implied she was a liar during the infamous "Fresh Air" interview. He was trying to bash Franken by saying that a certain passage in "Lying Liars" was a lie, but Franken was merely quoting an interview with Bully Billy's mommy in that passage. If only there was a way to let her know. Maybe she could straighten her boy out with a nice thick hickory switch and bar of Lava.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 2:34 pm | #

Olielly is gonna have to choose; either his vibrator or his head- only one can be up his ass at any given moment- the other goes back in its case under Ailes bed.
focus | 12.17.04 - 2:36 pm | #

We judge the seriousness of your cause, Bill O'Reilly, by the seriousness of the people you choose to take on. And Chevy Chase hasn't been an A-level movie star since around 1983.
Andrew | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:37 pm | #

you ain't got the sand boy!
exposethemall

I shall oppose assimilation to my last dying breath. I am now and forever have been a progressive liberal.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 2:37 pm | #

And Chevy Chase hasn't been an A-level movie star since around 1983.

And that's relevant because...?
Something Polish | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:39 pm | #

Vicki,
My husband can memorize insides of planes, specs, etc. Can't do the simplest crossword to save his soul and is a lousy speller to boot. Me, on the other hand, well I have a library type mind. I slot stuff in places, use word association to find the correct one I need and bingo, I finish almost every puzzle put in front of me. I even do them upside down for fun, very sick I know. My grandomther was a wizard at them as well. Maybe the talent skips generations?
G in Indiana | 12.17.04 - 2:39 pm | #

Republican hypocrisy has no limits. Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Schlessinger, Bill Bennet, Michael Savage(Wiener) - these people seem unassailable. The corporapist media covers their asses. I can't believe the things their careers have survived. They could practice beastiality in broad daylight, in Time Square, and somehow their career would survive it.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:40 pm | #

quoting an interview with Bully Billy's mommy in that passage.

speaking of mommies... didn't Nut Gingrinchs' mother quote him as referring to HIllary Clinton, then a sitting first lady, as a "bitch"
focus | 12.17.04 - 2:41 pm | #

OT: Atrios, did you know that your abortion thread is still going strong? Seriously, I think that is one issue that we really need some discussion on, some honest discussion with people who are obviously hurting about the issue.

I'm going to start listening with an open mind, even though I've been pro-choice for 30 years. I read the entire long-ass thread and now believe we have to dialogue with democratic pro-life people to see if we can come up with some type of solution to bring these people back.

Just a thought.
Pine Lake Larry | 12.17.04 - 2:41 pm | #

What the cheney? He sez cheneying conservatives don't cuss liberals? Cheney him with a falafel!

I really falafel about that outburst. I don't know what dolmades with me.
Ahianne | 12.17.04 - 2:41 pm | #

"Oh, and I challenge all liberals to wear something falafel related when appearing on O'Reilly's show. Throw him off his game and I'll bet he's nothing but a blowhard."

The challenge is to find something falafel-related that is wearable. Perhaps something Cafe Press would work with us on?

O "Really is a pompous self-promoting twit who should be simply ignored by rational people."

I think most rational people do ignore him. Sad part- the nation is no longer made up of a rational majority.
Vestal Vespa | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:42 pm | #

falafal!!
mdk | 12.17.04 - 2:44 pm | #

They could practice beastiality in broad daylight, in Time Square, and somehow their career would survive it.

I thought Rudy got rid of bestiality in Times Square?
Vestal Vespa | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:45 pm | #

Sorry, had to run out of the office for a sec.'

watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:45 pm | #

Fuck Bill O'Rielly, fuck him up the ass with Ann Coulter's dick.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 2:46 pm | #

Perhaps the best thing that could be done is to get O'Reilly in a cycle of reacting to claims that he is a coward, a liar and a hypocrite. So what if he attacks the ACLU and Media Matters. No one but the hardcore of his followers really cares. But if we get him on the defensive, always responding to one attack, based of course, in the transcripts of his own show, then he has less time and energy to go on to tell even more damaging lies and reveals himself as the paranoid nutzoid he is.
I think he may be a real paranoid and the kind of letters recently sent by Brock could, if repeated, turn him into a liability for the right and Fox.
(Similar things could be said of the Preznit.)
Attack
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 2:46 pm | #

They could practice beastiality in broad daylight, in Time Square, and somehow their career would survive it.

I would pay good money to see a donkey mount O'Reilly from behind in Times Square.

EEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWW EEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWW
Billy B | 12.17.04 - 2:47 pm | #

My heartbreak is unconsolable.....
steve simels

Nice. Playa.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:47 pm | #

That one kid served Bill O'Reilly his ass - that kid: Jeremy something, he was featured in the documentary "Outfoxed". That was really a pleasure to watch.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:47 pm | #

I would pay good money to see a donkey mount O'Reilly from behind in Times
Square.

EEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWW EEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWW
Billy B | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:47 pm | #

I'll go halfsies....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 2:48 pm | #

Yes, now we're starting to get to the mechanics of O'Reilly's sanity.
Is he really nuts, or is it a progressive rotting condition?
Is it a medical condition?
If Brock and others put a little more pressure on him, will his eyes pop out and his dikk fall off?
gonzo | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:49 pm | #

This one time, my falafel walked in on my loofah. I had to tell the falafel to go back to Israel so I could celebrate Christmas. Just me and my loofah. I mean, it's Christmas fer chrissakes.
Bill O'Reilly | 12.17.04 - 2:49 pm | #

So...Dick Cheney telling Leahy to go fuck himself doesn't really count, I gather? IOKFYAR.
mothra | 12.17.04 - 2:49 pm | #

Billy-B, I would pay good money not to see it, but to know that it happened would be gratifying.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:49 pm | #

Vicki,

the REST of my post above, the part that came after "a sec" was, to sum up:

crossword puzzles = Scrabble, in my book.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:49 pm | #

My heartbreak is unconsolable.....
steve simels

Nice. Playa.
watertiger

Didn't he propose to you a few hours back?

Steve, Steve, Steve...
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 2:49 pm | #

I was so disappointed that Kerry did not attack Bush a bit more frontally in the debates. He could have pushed that maniacal dry-drunk over the edge. He could have pushed the right buttons and turned President Dildo into a screeching monkey.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 2:50 pm | #

I would pay good money to see a donkey mount O'Reilly from behind in Times
Square.

I think that is the funniest thing I've read yet today.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:50 pm | #

Bill O'Reilly is so totally busted! He is so so dumb!!!
Malcolm & Cressida | 12.17.04 - 2:51 pm | #

Didn't he propose to you a few hours back?

Steve, Steve, Steve...

Men. You can't live with 'em, can't leave 'em on the curb.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:52 pm | #

If Brock and others put a little more pressure on him, will his eyes pop out and his dikk fall off?

there's a chance for both, if the latter didn't happen years ago.

("Mommy! where'd my pee-pee go?)
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 2:52 pm | #

Visual Politics does have an interesting collection of pictures of upstanding Republicans and some that bend to serve. By way, VP, Donny says You ‘da Man!
bo | 12.17.04 - 2:52 pm | #

I would pay good money to see a donkey mount O'Reilly from behind in Times
Square.

If you write a check big enough, he'd do it.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 2:53 pm | #

Vicki:
It didn't mean anything, really!
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 2:53 pm | #

Bill O'Reilly is being investigated for having sex with a 14 year old Korean transvestite.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 2:53 pm | #

The fundamental reason that Bill O'Reilly stays afloat is that the whole corporapist-owned media is owned by assholes. One fine day, the TV and Radio spectrum will be mostly gobbled up by telcos and society will be able to evolve. The one-way propaganda-distribution mechanism called broadcasting is the reason for most of the backwards progress in America. A decentralized, p2p structure, such as the internet is the cure.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:54 pm | #

I would pay good money to see a donkey mount O'Reilly from behind in Times
Square.

I think that is the funniest thing I've read yet today.

It's even funnier than the story my sister down in Oz told me about how Jean-Claude Van Damme was visiting a nature preserve in Queensland and was kneeling down to look at some critter when the resident (and incredibly randy) emu ran over and mounted him.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 2:54 pm | #

Curses! Falafeled again!
Snidely Porkchop | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:54 pm | #

I'm pretty good at crossword puzzles, but one clue from the Maleska-era NYT has puzzled me for years. Four letters: "drum, dance, tree or antelope". Anyone?
orbitron | 12.17.04 - 2:56 pm | #

Vicki:
It didn't mean anything, really!
steve simels

Sure...sure....!

Bill O'Reilly is being investigated for having sex with a 14 year old Korean transvestite.
krsaz

That is fascinating. You jest, no?
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 2:56 pm | #

I'm wondering if O'Reilly was referring to conservative entertainers like Chase rather than merely other politicians?

MYOB'
.
MYOB | 12.17.04 - 2:56 pm | #

krsaz: Fuck Bill O'Rielly, fuck him up the ass with Ann Coulter's dick.

It's really just a big clit. Something to do with testicular feminization, or somesuch.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:56 pm | #

Thanks Bo. I've been saving my material for a good while. Some of my blog entries are photos, some are compositions I do in photoshop. Believe it or not, I'm still holding my most offensive work back, because I don't want to bring the level of discourse down too far.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:56 pm | #

The symbolism of a donkey mounting O'Reilly is priceless, I must say.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 2:56 pm | #

Yes, I jest. the kid was 13.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 2:57 pm | #

The Rumsfeld pic is pure genius Visual Politics

Great work
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 2:58 pm | #

speaking of mommies... didn't Nut Gingrinchs' mother quote him as referring to HIllary Clinton, then a sitting first lady, as a "bitch"
focus | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 2:41 pm | #

Yes but Newt was upset and accused Connie Chung of tricking his mother into saying it.
The thing is, his mother was bat-assed crazy from the way she came across.

MYOB'
.
MYOB | 12.17.04 - 3:00 pm | #

Jeffraham,

hyenas have giant clitorus that they hump eachother with. I think Anne Coulter's totem animal must be a Hyena. Oh well, there I go again, using a political slur that denigrates an animal. Now I'm forced to acknowledge that there's nothing bad about hyenas.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:00 pm | #

wait is says you didn't construct it. (Oder?)
Nevertheless mucho kudos for posting it ... great
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:01 pm | #

and speaking of ann coulter -- this from wonkette:

"John Derbyshire over at the National Review has a problem:

Going to demonstrate my Ann Coulter doll to a visitor yesterday, I discovered that she has lost her voice. If anyone can think of a use for a voiceless Ann Coulter doll, please let me know."
bkny | 12.17.04 - 3:02 pm | #

Mounted by an emu?

That's the greatest thing I've
ever heard.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 3:02 pm | #

what i keep thinkin about is, in their outrage about "happy holidays"...

....doesnt "holidays" come from "holy days", so its a way to commemerate EVERYONE'S holy day(s)????
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:02 pm | #

Mounted by an emu?

That's the greatest thing I've
ever heard.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 3:02 pm | #

Szabo, that Rumsfeld pic was someone else's work, which inspired me to get started myself. I agree, it is pure genius. I'm going to post a Rumsfeld animation today though. I'm still working on it. I hope it has potential to become viral.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:02 pm | #

that there's nothing bad about hyenas.

except that they remind us of Ann Coulter.

But that's not their fault.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:02 pm | #

Digby has a copy of the Bush family x-mass card on his site. (click homepage for link) and as everyone on Digby's site has noticed, there is no 'merry christmas', just 'best wishes'.

Someone call O'Reilly and ask him why the president is attacking christmas?

MYOB'
.
MYOB | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:04 pm | #

I can't remember the link, but there was a series of photos of Rumsfeld with mock martial arts fighting stance descriptions. You all may be familiar with it.

Very funny too.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:05 pm | #

Mounted by an emu?

That's the greatest thing I've
ever heard.

Apparently, the park rangers and zoo people were well aware of the emu's ardent nature. Van Damme was being an asshole, and the staff thought it best to teach him a lesson. So one of the rangers, noticing that the emu was in the vicinty, pointed to a low-lying creature and told Mr. Damme to crouch down.

He was not amused.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:06 pm | #

I can't remember the link, but there was a series of photos of Rumsfeld with mock martial arts fighting stance descriptions. You all may be familiar with it.

You mean, this site?
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:07 pm | #

I'm working on my Photoshop Xmas card on and off. I was thinking of depicting O'Reilly with a smoking shotgun and a pile of dead grinches, but the reference is a bit obscure.
Draco | 12.17.04 - 3:08 pm | #

If anyone can think of a use for a voiceless Ann Coulter doll, please let me know."
bkny

O'Reilly can shove it up his ass while masturbating with some hummus.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:09 pm | #

yes Watertiger, that's the one. Thanks so much.

I encountered it in aimless travels on the internets.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:09 pm | #

If anyone can think of a use for a voiceless Ann Coulter doll, please let me know."
bkny

Rescuci-Mannie.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:10 pm | #

yes Watertiger, that's the one. Thanks so much.

I encountered it in aimless travels on the internets.
Szabo

-----
Okay, dammit, I was drunk.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:11 pm | #

My favorite is Drunken Temple Boxing
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:12 pm | #

that's right the liberal media didn't want to talk about that example, which is why they are on their way out.
veteran

Wow, that was brilliant and insightfzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:12 pm | #

Mmmm, hummus and falafals. It doesn't get much better than that.
Pine Lake Larry | 12.17.04 - 3:13 pm | #

encountered it in aimless travels on the internets.
-----
Okay, dammit, I was drunk. -
Szabo

Hmmmm, driving drunk on the information highway. Shame, shame.
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:13 pm | #

Oh well, there I go again, using a political slur that denigrates an animal. Now I'm forced to acknowledge that there's nothing bad about hyenas.

Oh, I don't know. Let's see, babbling, hideaous, yipping creatures that live on carrion?

Sounds like identical twins to me.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 3:14 pm | #

Mmmm, hummus and falafals. It doesn't get much better than that.

Well, if O'Reilly's in the room, you might want to stay away from the tahini.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:14 pm | #

Don't worry, veteran, I sent the liberal media back to Israel with my falafel. Those rat bastards won't loofah with moral Americans like ourselves. I mean, it's Christmas fer chrissakes.
Bill O'Reilly | 12.17.04 - 3:15 pm | #

I think my spelling today is hideous as well.

Curse you fingers!!
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 3:15 pm | #

bo,

It was, thankfully, just me and me alone slamming into a tree on the information highway. No one else was injured. But surely I should Just Say No.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:15 pm | #

There's some wicked fudge circulating around the office. I'm sacrificing my piece so we can shove it up O'Reilly's pie hole. That, and that donkey.

I've done my second civic duty for today.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 3:16 pm | #

Just had a deliciously evil thought:
Set up a spoof porn site to trap & trace the addresses of folks like Billy O'Loofah. Maybe an expose on that would be enough to get him shit-canned.
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:18 pm | #

Vicki Stein,
I'm sure that Bill O'F#ckhead shoves many things, ummmmm, "into himself" on a daily basis. Enjoy your fudge. I'm sure his orifices are like a junkyard.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:19 pm | #

Personally, I like the caption on the MSNBC page MediaMatters links to: Vice President Dick Cheney is reflected in a mirror...

So I guess the subtext is Hey, he's really not a vampire!
redbeardjim | 12.17.04 - 3:20 pm | #

"There's some wicked fudge circulating around the office. I'm sacrificing my piece so we can shove it up O'Reilly's pie hole. That, and that donkey.

I've done my second civic duty for today."
Vicki Stein

I think Vicki just called O'Lielly a fudgepacker.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:21 pm | #

Off Topic:
(click homepage for link)
Josh over at TPM is covering some more deceptive B.S. from the white house on the earth shattering SS crisis.

"Introduced as a "single mom" from Iowa, Sandra Jaques was cool and confident as she praised President Bush's plan to partly replace Social Security with private savings accounts. "I have a daughter at home. Her name is Wynter," said Ms. Jaques, sitting a few feet from President Bush at the White House economic conference on Thursday. "I want to make sure that she has Social Security when she retires as well." Mr. Bush chimed in a moment later. "One of my visions of personal savings accounts is that Sandy will be able to pass her account on to Wynter as part of Wynter's capacity to retire as well." The exchange was an example of how Mr. Bush promotes his agenda with testimonials from "regular folks," in the words of Joshua B. Bolten, the White House budget director, who introduced Ms. Jaques. But Ms. Jaques is not any random single mother. She is the Iowa state director of a conservative advocacy group, FreedomWorks, whose founders are Jack F. Kemp, the former vice-presidential nominee, and Dick Armey, the former House Republican leader. Ms. Jaques also spent much of the past two years as a spokeswoman in Iowa for a group called For Our Grandchildren, which is mounting a nationwide campaign for private savings accounts.

MYOB'
.
MYOB | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:22 pm | #

vicki,
Billy O. doesn't deserve your fudge. On the other hand, a compote of broken glass and jalapen....
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:22 pm | #

Great photos of Rumsfeld. Thanks for posting those. http://www.poe-news.com/features....php? feat=31845

Bo, great idea on the porn-honey pot to trap republican hypocrites. You just need to find a way to hook them into to somehow.
Visual Politics | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:23 pm | #

jalpenos - damn finners
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:23 pm | #

We just wanna say that Bill O'Reilly is a whole lot of fun and the things he can do with a loofah mitt are... well, the word 'sheer genius' comes to mind. It's poetry in motion, really, is what it is. Honestly, we bet even Nanna would probably adore it to if she wasn't so uptight about you-know-what. Anyway, please stop dumping on Bill who's our personal Loofah Love Bunny and brings so much joy and pleasure to our otherwise dreary lives. Thank you.
Jenna & NotJenna | 12.17.04 - 3:23 pm | #

When the fuck did Chevy Chase become a prominent democrat anyway?
esther | 12.17.04 - 3:24 pm | #

VP, just put "Democrat bondage" and Bukake in the site's tags.
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:25 pm | #

I think Vicki just called O'Lielly a fudgepacker.
krsaz

LOL! Indeed...glad you got it. My references can be both blatant and obtuse, it's the weirdness in me.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 3:25 pm | #

yeah. it sounds pretty silly, but i don't think we have enough information to know what he meant. it could have been taken out of context. for all we know he may have had a vibrator stuck up his ass when he said that.
Olaf glad and big | 12.17.04 - 3:26 pm | #

so o'reilly, hannitty, limbaugh, coulter, malkin & weiner can say whatever they want....

....but we get beat up for whoopi goldberg & chevy chase?
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:26 pm | #

I haven't looked at a loofah in the same way since that fateful day. Same with a falafel.

Please don't tell me O'Reilly did nasty things with baklava...
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 3:27 pm | #

I don't know why you all attack Bill. He's kind and gentle and never leaves me hanging after he's "done." He satisfies me even after he's done....

Siffles... Bill's dog
Siffles | 12.17.04 - 3:27 pm | #

One of the top selling books of the past year, by Al Franken, was languishing somewhere in the mid hundreds several weeks after it came out.

It was destined for the rack outside of the Strand a couple blocks from here.

And then, Bill O'Reilly sued Little Al.

And the sales went platinum!

Propelled by the anger of the right.

And now, the left is doing the same favor for O'Reilly, attacking him at every turn, and energizing his flock right up into the red zone.

As evidenced by the nebulous nature of the above blogged attack.

O'Reilly was talking about a prominent Democrat party member calling the President a "dumb fuck" in a well covered, by the press, event.

Cheney, in a private exchange that was overheard, told Leahy to "fuck off."

One was pointedly public, the other occuring in a heated private exchange.

And O'Reilly, and his many minions, would easily suggest that "cursing out" meant that Chase was making a socially unacceptably crude personal criticism. While Cheney was just making sharing his private thoughts
about Leahy's course of action.

The point is, pick your battles carefully. This is tainted meat for the bitter masses. And only lends support to O'reilly.

I have never watched him. I ignore him. Which, if you did the same, he'd probably go away.

Kinda like trolls do!
Reality Base One | 12.17.04 - 3:29 pm | #

OT Bre obo's world, did anyone see the story about a woman in suburban Dallas who cut the arms of her infant child (who died as a result) because of a verse in Matthew about if some part of your body sins, you should cut it off?
Baal | 12.17.04 - 3:29 pm | #

He named me after he had a course of antibotics. He'd been in Thailand before that.
What does it all mean?

Woof
Siffles | 12.17.04 - 3:30 pm | #

Siffles,

Get thee to a pet shelter. Stat! You need to be tested for ftds (falafel transmitted diseases)!
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 3:30 pm | #

Vicki,

It's the big Gyro meat cylinder on a vertical rotisserie thing that get's Bill excited. No doubt.
Reality Base One | 12.17.04 - 3:30 pm | #

"Oh, but see, I wouldn't call Cheney a 'prominent' conservative per se."

/Republican pish-poshery
harveythechainsaw | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:31 pm | #

try John Kerry's F word describing President Bush'd war in Iraq in his Rolling Stone Magazine interview on for size. Ops, that's right the liberal media didn't want to talk about that example, which is why they are on their way out.
veteran

Hey, w00t, the guy who called the Marines fighting in Fallujah "cowards" somehow has the nerve to show up here again.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 3:32 pm | #

Vicki,

It's the big Gyro meat cylinder on a vertical rotisserie thing that get's Bill excited. No doubt.

It titillates him no end to imagine himself on the spit, being hacked at by swarthy men in stained t-shirts and dirty aprons.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:33 pm | #

What about when President Naven Johnson flipped the bird to the camera?
Cletus | 12.17.04 - 3:33 pm | #

VP, don't forget Lizard Queen in your subject matter
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:35 pm | #

Reality Based One is lying. My dear Dick said it in the Senate. Good thing he's a loyal Repub, otherwise it would have been desecrating the "people's house."
Lynne Cheney | 12.17.04 - 3:38 pm | #

I was in Barnes and Noble on Wednesday. The assistant manager told me that they can't keep Jon Stewart's book in stock - it is the single biggest seller this season.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:38 pm | #

rob, you are a piece of work, you defend people you claim to hate and you have the temerity to suggest that Chevy Chase is a "prominent Democrat party member" and that Cheney was just "sharing his private thoughts about Leahy's course of action."

Go cheney yourself Rob. Just sharing my private thoughts about your post.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:39 pm | #

The only poop better than the Preznit's is Rove's because its always hot, steamy and fresh. I like it with a nice Bearnais (sorry, I know its Frog).

But anyways, yum...

And SHUT UP!
Billy O | 12.17.04 - 3:39 pm | #

Slightly OT, but my sister is married to a chef, and they both have heard that alzheimer's is a form of mad cow disease.
Sweet Sue | 12.17.04 - 3:43 pm | #

well, RBO, "the President" IS a dumb fuck. Another one of those biased facts.

Good god, right wingers complaining about liberals saying nasty things about their Leader, how shameless can you be?

Remember the previous President? you know, William J. Clinton and his wife "Hitlery" ? Well the shoe is on the other foot now and the same rules apply to the current occupent of the Oval Office (whose actual fuck ups go far beyond even your most crazed imagined crimes of the previous Administration.)
The Old Man From Scene 24 | 12.17.04 - 3:43 pm | #

You know, alll you hippie freaks,
I think that you are all just jealous of Mr. O'Reilly's following. It shows just how weak you all are.
Iron Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 3:44 pm | #

The Old Man From Scene 24:

It's no use talking to rob, he is a kool-aid drinker of the worst kind, he doesn't like Bush but thinks Iraq and the middle east will be peacefull by the end of next year. rob, is quite possibly, insane.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:46 pm | #

Did anyone happen to read this week about the smell test for alzheimer's? Apparently, there are 10 different smells that, if you are unable to tell what they are, are precursors to alzheimer's. Smoke and cloves being among them. The irony is that I can't remember the rest of them...
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 3:46 pm | #

OT:

(my neighborhood. Can I look forward to Jenna sightings??)

The president's daughter wants to teach at Elsie Whitlow Stokes Community Freedom Public Charter School. The school serves low-income children and has 250 pupils enrolled in kindergarten through sixth grade.
Craig in New Vatican City | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:47 pm | #

Anyone who "supports" O'Reilly is as big an idjit, fool, moron, and hypocrite as he is.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:47 pm | #

Besides, 0'Loofah loans me his vibrator when he isn't using it.
Limp Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 3:47 pm | #

The irony is that I can't remember the rest of them...

I was gonna get tested for Alzheimers, but I forgot...
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:48 pm | #

The president's daughter wants to teach at Elsie Whitlow Stokes Community Freedom Public Charter School. The school serves low-income children and has 250 pupils enrolled in kindergarten through sixth grade.

See, if she keeps saying that she wants to teach, how come she's not doing it already? Is she just going to scope out schools for underprivileged kids and every once in a while, pop over to the White House publicity office and say, "Hey, I'd like to work there"?
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:50 pm | #

I am a dildo
Iron Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 3:51 pm | #

Vicki-
I heard there is a smell test for being a Republican. They can't smell shit, vomit, decaying animals, and Liddy Dole (a bow to Bebe).
Spinoza | 12.17.04 - 3:51 pm | #

Apple doesn't fall very far from THAT tree-- Jenna's just as delusional as her father.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:51 pm | #

jealous of Mr. O'Reilly's following

His "following" ? Its interesting to note that he gets half the number of viewers that watch the last place network news broadcast (Right Winger's boogey man Dan Rather) yet you think that anyone is jealous of this pomoius twits handful of brain dead drooling fools who take his self promting blovitating seriously? I don't think so.
The Old Man From Scene 24 | 12.17.04 - 3:51 pm | #

"You know, alll you hippie freaks,
I think that you are all just jealous of Mr. O'Reilly's following."

Oh yeah, I'd really like to have a whole ton of rapid neo-fascists hanging on my every word. Go fuck yourself with O'Lielly's loofah.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 3:51 pm | #

Spinoza:

Can't smell Liddy Dole? Jesus, the only people who can't smell Liddy have been dead for ten years.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 3:53 pm | #

Holden,

You are amazing. Where did find that card? Hoo boy, no mention of Our Lord and Savior on St. Chimpy's Xmas card? Haahahaaa.

Phoney, hypocrits.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 3:54 pm | #

I like my falafel with three balls. Not one, but not four. Nothing says Yuletide like three balls hitting your chin on their way into your mouth. I mean, it's Christmas fer chrissakes.
Bill O'Reilly | 12.17.04 - 3:54 pm | #

I couldn't pick O'Reilly out of a lineup...

Well, that's not entirely true. The "dirty sanchez" moustache would probably give him away.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:54 pm | #

again, considering the tainted source, what a shocker! poop from an easy poop oven.
ubu roi | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:54 pm | #

As many times as O'Lielley's been humiliated, you'd think he'd finally get the idea. He's been proven to be a liar, a sexual pervert, and a petty, stupid person. Anyone who listens to him is officially a moron.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:55 pm | #

I think this Iron Fist is fuax & not our true rusty fingered (& brained) friend from the other day.
bo | 12.17.04 - 3:55 pm | #

Szabo-
So you thought. She puts out such a putried stream of chemicals that small animals clear out, birds drop from the sky, and pets begin crying.
bebe rebozo | 12.17.04 - 3:55 pm | #

OT: Holiday warnings!

1. Avoid carrot sticks.
Anyone who puts carrots on a holiday buffet table knows nothing of the Christmas spirit.
In fact, if you see carrots, leave immediately. Go next door, where they're serving stollen and rum balls.

2. Drink as much eggnog as you can. And quickly. Like fine single-malt scotch, it's rare.
In fact, it's even rarer than single-malt scotch. You can't find it any other time of year but now.
So drink up!
Who cares that it has 10,000 calories in every sip? It's not as if you're going to turn into an eggnog-aholic or something. It's a treat. Enjoy it. Have one for me. Have two. It's later than you think. It's Christmas!

3. If something comes with gravy, use it.
That's the whole point of gravy. Gravy does not stand alone. Pour it on. Make a volcano out of your mashed potatoes. Fill it with gravy. Eat the volcano. Repeat.

4. As for mashed potatoes, always ask if they're made with skim milk or whole milk.
If it's skim, pass. Why bother? It's like buying a sports car with an automatic transmission.

5. Do not have a snack before going to a party in an effort to control your eating.
The whole point of going to a Christmas party is to eat other people's food for free.
Lots of it. Hello?

6. Under no circumstances should you exercise between now and New Year's. You can do that in January when you have nothing else to do.
This is the time for long naps, which you'll need after circling the buffet table while carrying a 10-pound plate of food and that vat of eggnog.

7. If you come across something really good at a buffet table, like frosted Christmas cookies in the shape and size of Santa, position yourself near them and don't budge.
Have as many as you can before becoming the center of attention. They're like a beautiful pair of shoes. If you leave them behind, you're never going to see them again.

8. Same for pies. Apple. Pumpkin. Mincemeat. Have a slice of each.
Or, if you don't like mincemeat, have two apples and one pumpkin. Always have three. When else do you get to have more than one dessert? Labor Day?

9. Did someone mention fruitcake?
Granted, it's loaded with the mandatory celebratory calories, but avoid it at all cost. I mean, have some standards.

10. One final tip: If you don't feel terrible when you leave the party or get up from the table, you haven't been paying attention.
Reread tips; start over, but hurry, January is just around the corner.

Remember this motto to live by:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

Jolly Holidays, chers...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 3:55 pm | #

Randi Rhodes said yesterday that
Air America has more listeners
than O'Reilly has viewers.

I assume that's true.....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 3:57 pm | #

from a description of the artist who designed the Chimp's holiday card:

"Walking through Holt's The Governor's Mansion exhibition is like taking a virtual reality tour with Walt Disney as director, Henri Matisse as cinematographer, and David Hockney as set designer."

Um, that seems a little . . . overwrought.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 3:57 pm | #

rapid neo-fascists??

I'm sorry "krsaz," you mean "RABID neo-fascists."

So much for leftist literacy and intelligence
Iron Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 3:57 pm | #

Jenna doing The Lord's Work? HAHAHAHA. Right. Will she be teaching the great unwashed kiddies her sinful ways?
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 3:58 pm | #

O'Really needs a crawler on the bottom of his show with all the caveats to his B.S.

In this case it would say:

Mr. OReilly uses the term prominent conservatives to mean prominent conservative comedians who where part of an early 70's comedy skit show.

. Yep, no potty mouths here. Nope.
dieselcreek | 12.17.04 - 3:58 pm | #

Holden,

You are amazing. Where did find that card? Hoo boy, no mention of Our Lord and Savior on St. Chimpy's Xmas card? Haahahaaa.

Phoney, hypocrits.
bigvic

The White House, of course.

I linger there in the afternoons, waiting for the gaggle.

BTW, does this fellow look stupid to you?
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:58 pm | #

think that you are all just jealous of Mr. O'Reilly's following.

Yeah, right. Like I, or most any other liberal I know, would follow a tv pundit.

Anyone here just dying to be a member of O'Reilly's cult?
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 3:58 pm | #

I couldn't pick O'Reilly out of a lineup...

Well, that's not entirely true. The "dirty sanchez" moustache would probably give him away.
watertiger

I heard somewhere that at the O'Really Factor Christmas party they even have a "secret sanchez" exchange.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 3:59 pm | #

definitely an aside, but I got a warm fuzzy today regarding two legal developments...

1) Judge Bates, a Bush appointee who worked for Darth Starr, rebuked w on removing American citizens to foreign lands (e.g. Saudi Arabia) so that they can be tortured

and

2) The Kansas Supreme Court just shot down that state's death penalty law.

when conservatives such as this hold firm to common sense, there is hope!
smarty jones | 12.17.04 - 4:00 pm | #

Holden,

It's his piss-poor imitation of Brando in The Godfather.
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:00 pm | #

BTW, does this fellow look stupid to you?

let me think about that for a second yes.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 4:02 pm | #

Konopelli,

I plan to follow every last holiday suggestion. In fact, it's going to be my year round plan.

Woo Hoo, what a ride!
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 4:03 pm | #

Dubya, I'm your man date.
Limp Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 4:04 pm | #

Iron Fist, LGF

Another krsaz hater. Is this rob? I can't tell...but lay off, we know he has a way with wit and words. He makes me quiver, you on the other hand, make me shiver.

Go jump off the bridge you came out from. FOAD
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:04 pm | #

So much for leftist literacy and intelligence
Iron Fist, LGF

Fuck off and die, you supercillious twat.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:04 pm | #

BTW, does this fellow look stupid to you?
Holden Caulfield

Good pic for my x-mas dartboard.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:05 pm | #

you got 'supercillious' right...

yea for you!
Iron Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 4:06 pm | #

Konopelli:

I like that very much, skid in sideways with a joint in one hand and a bottle of Jack in the other...
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:07 pm | #

Smarty -

We've got to go after Gonzales. We can win on that one if there is an organized effort. He's so dirty and his nomination cannot stand!
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:07 pm | #

"I'm pretty good at crossword puzzles, but one clue from the Maleska-era NYT has puzzled me for years. Four letters: "drum, dance, tree or antelope". Anyone?
orbitron"

I think this might be aa prank clue and the answer is "noun"
Draco | 12.17.04 - 4:08 pm | #

who needs spell check when you can have me?
Limp Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 4:09 pm | #

BTW, does this fellow look stupid to you?
Holden Caulfield

That's no way to talk about the differently-abled. His nurse should do a better job of wiping off the drool, however.
Just Sayin' | 12.17.04 - 4:09 pm | #

Holden,

I've seen smarter looking monkeys.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 4:09 pm | #

I think the nomination of Gonzales is quaint.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:10 pm | #

Konopelli -

That made me really happy for a minute.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:10 pm | #

I call this pose "the ten-fingered fan of death."
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 4:10 pm | #

guess i'll take back what I said, IF's too chickenshit to link to his homepage after getting bludgeoned for his phoney black belts.
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:10 pm | #

Jenny from the Blog:

Someone posted today that the dems aren't going to go after Gonzalez because they are saving their strength for the Supreme Court nominations that don't exist yet.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:10 pm | #

Jenny from the Blog,
As much as Gonzales makes me, well, ill, I think that he's a shoe in because the "opposition party" meme has not quite taken hold in the Democratic representatives in the House and the Senate. We need to continue to push to make the Democrats into a true party of opposition over the long term.

Just a strategic perspective.
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 4:11 pm | #

If O'Lielly tells the rubes that no rightie cusses out Dems, why wouldn't they believe him? These are the same rubes who think Saddam flew a plane on 9/11 and gassed US troops when they invaded Iraq. The same rubes who think Bush is a decent, stand-up guy; that Rumsfeld and Bush had NO IDEA our guys were torturing prisoners; and who think that Bush will protect them even though he was asleep at the wheel on 9/11 and fought the 9/11 Commission and creation of Homeland Security every freakin' step of the way. Do not let reality intrude in the world of the rubes....they will have none of it...NONE OF IT. O'Lielly is always right. ALWAYS. That is all. We now return to your regularly scheduled fair and balanced programming.
Bodini | 12.17.04 - 4:11 pm | #

That made me really happy for a minute.
Jenny from the Blog

Hey, Jenny---That's cool...sometimes a minute's the best we're gonna get...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:12 pm | #

krsaz -

That was me. Here's my post:

I just read on salon.com that the dems will not go after Gonzales because they're saving their big guns for the next Supreme Court nomination.

Why the fuck can't they do both?! Can anyone explain this to me. Gonzales should never be confirmed and there is a truckload of ammunition to be used against him. No digging is necessary. He should never be confirmed!
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:12 pm | #

Holden,

As telling as that picture is, you should understand that he works hard and knows things, things a president should know and that's what makes being president such hard work, all that knowing.

So we should cut him some slack. It's hard knowing the things he knows.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:12 pm | #

I call this pose "the ten-fingered fan of death."
watertiger

I thought it was the "Screeching Monkey Paws"...
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 4:13 pm | #

In addition to my fake black belts, I also am a fake ninja and a fake Navy Seal. I am the Houdini of fakery.
Limp Fist, LGF | 12.17.04 - 4:13 pm | #

Just a strategic perspective.
Szabo

I know. It just seems so insane. There are a slew of ex-army lawyers and current military who would testify against Gonzales at the confirmation hearing. They're on record as opposing him. So the dems would have good support and backing. If they would only try...

But yes. We know the nature of this particular creature and it is not one to stand up and fight against the odds.

(another of mine from the dead thread below)
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:14 pm | #

I was watching the other night (I know) and a kid e-mailed him saying he wanted the O'Lieley Factor for kids, but his parents wouldn't get it for him because they hate O'Lieley...He told the kid to get one from the library. I thought that was good advice for the kid to go behind his parents back...

what a dickhead.
krsaz | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 1:55 pm | #

So, going behind your parents' backs to read a book in a library is bad; but being allowed to get condoms, fail to use them while having sex, then having an abortion behind your parents' backs is - what, okay?

And I believe the point was that Chase made his remarks deliberately and as the moderator of a public event. Vice President Cheney made his spontaneously, with no certain knowledge that they would be recorded and broadcast.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 4:14 pm | #

Not that it's any of your beeswax 'bigvic' (if that really is your name), but just for the record I'll be teaching my adorable little brown, yellow and pink-neck deltas and epsilons just exactly what is the proper role for individuals of there station in our great ownership society. Exciting and rewarding careers such as combat soldier, parking attendant and janitor come to mind (no doubt there are others). Truly, thanks to the inspired and visionary leadership America is blessed to have, the ceiling really is the limit for these precious little muffins. I love and cherish each and every one, and I promise I WILL attend there funerals if any grow up and happen to end up as KIAs in one of Daddy's wars.
Jenna | 12.17.04 - 4:14 pm | #

Iron Fist, LGF

He got twat right, too, you moron. Get the fuck out of here and ruin your grandma's holiday, or something.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:14 pm | #

Not that it's any of your beeswax 'bigvic' (if that really is your name)

LOL!
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:16 pm | #

Konopelli,

I am going to have those holiday rules sewn on a sampler.

Great stuff.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:16 pm | #

Special Ed is not so special. Being a Repub means never having to say, I'm sorry.
Specious Ed | 12.17.04 - 4:17 pm | #

Re: Gonzalez

Il Douche wants Alberto in Justice as a preparatory step onto the SC(R)OTUS...THis gets him through a confirmation process, so that later when anybody with a fucking brain raises a stink about putting the cretinous thug on the Bench, they can say": Well, look the Senate already approved him for Justice...

When are the Dumbocraps gonna gor some stones and a brain...One bain in the bunch would bo enough, and it woudl be such an improvement...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:17 pm | #

We know the nature of this particular creature and it is not one to stand up and fight against the odds.

"But...what about my reelection chances?"

(Haloscan, one more time and I'm opening a can of whupass on your sorry programatic ass)
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 4:17 pm | #

The irony is that I can't remember the rest of them...
Vicki Stein | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:46 pm | #

Did you know that there are two characteristics that all the worlds greatest lovers possess?

Well, the first thing is that they all have absolutely horrible memories, and the second one is....

Shit. I never can remember the second one.
Central Scrutinizer | 12.17.04 - 4:18 pm | #

but being allowed to get condoms, fail to use them while having sex, then having an abortion behind your parents' backs is - what, okay?
Time to haul the Godless teenagers off to Gitmo for their own good.

Yep, Ed, you're special alright.
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:19 pm | #

Special Ed:

You're seriously comparing the conduct of a sitting vice-president with the conduct of a past his prime comedian?

If Chevy Chase is a "prominent democrat," O'Reilly's falafel is the King of Prussia.
Just Sayin' | 12.17.04 - 4:19 pm | #

Special Ed:

Where in my post did I mention condoms, sex or abortion? Go fuck yourself, if you are serioulsy here supporting Bill Fuckbag O'Lielly, you need some serious help. Speaking of abortion, you make me wish retroactive abortion was available.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:19 pm | #

sorry 'bout the typing, i sometimes don't check be4 i send...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:19 pm | #

O'Reilly's falafel is the King of Prussia.

Let's leave the Prussians outta this, those Commie bastards.
watertiger | 12.17.04 - 4:20 pm | #

I was watching the other night (I know) and a kid e-mailed him saying he wanted the O'Lieley Factor for kids, but his parents wouldn't get it for him because they hate O'Lieley...He told the kid to get one from the library. I thought that was good advice for the kid to go behind his parents back...

what a dickhead.
krsaz | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 1:55 pm | #

Hey, it's encouraging to see one of this country's finest moral crusaders telling a kid to read a book rather than burn one, even if it's his and the kid'll be using those evil taxpayer-funded libraries. Granted, I can't imagine a library in this country worth its salt that'd stock The O'Reilly Factor For Kids. I know his spiel is simplistic enough so that fourth graders can understand it - and poke holes in it, I imagine - but why in the hell would anyone write a political book for kids? Jesus, let kids be kids, for crissakes...
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:21 pm | #

Shit. I never can remember the second one.
Central Scrutinizer

A juicy mouth.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:22 pm | #

Yes--it's so much better to curse at others when you think there will be no consequences! As for saying things like this publicly, you only have to go as far as Rush. I accidentally (believe me) heard part of his show on election day. I am apparently a "Kerry Fairy."
HMS | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:23 pm | #

Special Ed is my true disciple and I want you to stop mocking him.
Loofah O'Hummus | 12.17.04 - 4:23 pm | #

Jenna,

No, really, bigvic is my real name.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 4:23 pm | #

I'm the kid who he sent to the library and he hasn't sent me the new PlayStation for setting the whole thing up in the first place!!!
Jimmy | 12.17.04 - 4:24 pm | #

Konopelli --

I just emailed your holiday rules all over my office.

Words of wisdom to live by, before the Killjoys and Puritans drain every speck of pleasure out of life...

Thank you!
bj | 12.17.04 - 4:24 pm | #

No, really, bigvic is my real name.

Jenna, ask littlevic, he'll tell you who his daddy is.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:24 pm | #

Backslider! LTNS, partner.

Uh, just in case you were wondering, my book is shipping in time for Christmas.

Just in case you were wondering what to get your perverted aunt.

Just in case.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:24 pm | #

Backslider:

I wonder if those e-mails are just made up by his writers...what kid wants to read anything by this bag of shit. I know the only books my kids want to read are Harry Potter.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:25 pm | #

but being allowed to get condoms, fail to use them while having sex, then having an abortion behind your parents' backs is - what, okay?

Ummm, yes, give or take, that's OKAY
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 4:26 pm | #

I was merely trying to point out a little hypocrisy. I called no one names. I don't mean to say anyone here is stupid. I am not a Republican. I am not defending O'Reilly.

And before someone asks again, I have already served, and am not eligible for re-enlistment.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 4:27 pm | #

What I liked about our library's copy of the O'Reilly Factor for Kids was all the penises someone drew on all the pictures.

What? You mean it came from the publisher that way?
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:27 pm | #

I wonder if those e-mails are just made up by his writers...what kid wants to read anything by this bag of shit.
Just remember that once I was a twisted 13-year-old.
Loofah O'Hummus | 12.17.04 - 4:28 pm | #

And before someone asks again, I have already served, and am not eligible for re-enlistment.

LOL!
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:28 pm | #

A juicy mouth.
Vicki Stein

You're my kind of gal. I could take you to a villa in Italy and run my loofah over your body while my falafel runs a hot shower. Ohhhhh...

I appreciate the fun phone call. You can have fun tonight. I'll appreciate it. I mean it.
Bill O'Reilly | 12.17.04 - 4:29 pm | #

And before someone asks again, I have already served, and am not eligible for re-enlistment.
Special Ed

I smell a little bit of defensiveness on the part of our special buddy.

See, I can still smell, really.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:30 pm | #

I was merely trying to point out a little hypocrisy. - and generating a dung heap of spurious logic in the process.
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:30 pm | #

don't forget the stuff about date rape, via the weyun of the republican party, grover norquist.
dexter | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:30 pm | #

Sorry, Bill, no thank you. I don't do falafel sex.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:31 pm | #

Jenny from the Blog,

I gotta ask, "which blog are you from?"
Yoshimi | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:31 pm | #

Special Ed...

What the "Little Yellow Bus Brigade"?
Szabo | 12.17.04 - 4:31 pm | #

cosmic grappler,
I don't have a perverted aunt. Got a fundie aunt, though. Reckon she'd like it?

krsaz,
I don't know if they're made up or not, but I can't imagine what kid would want to read such rubbish. If it's anything like O'Reilly's usual screeds, the kid's not gonna learn anything useful from it, despite his/her political ideology (which is so unformed at that age it isn't even funny). Course, if the whole shebang was for real, I'd wanna know why the parents haven't explained why they "hate" O'Reilly to that extent and why the kid still wants to read the damn book other than pissing his/her folks off.

And as for the connection to sneaking around about sex and abortion (which, of course, always follows the former in the wingnut mind), no, that ain't right, either. And it's just as "not right" to have a kid so ignorant about the human reproductive system and sexual relations that he/she has to sneak around behind his/her parents' backs.

Course, no one ever wants to bring that little bit of knowledge up in said debate, now do they. Kids get no respect in this society and adults wonder why they show no respect.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:31 pm | #

and am not eligible for re-enlistment.

Don't be too sure about that, before too long they'll be so desperate that even people with dishonorable discharges will be up for re-enlistment...
The Old Man From Scene 24 | 12.17.04 - 4:32 pm | #

Yoshimi -

No blog. It's just a riff on "Jenny from the Block", J-Lo.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:32 pm | #

Special Ed:

I posted something about a kid reading O'Lielly's book and you come back with:

"but being allowed to get condoms, fail to use them while having sex, then having an abortion behind your parents' backs is - what, okay?"

Now let me ask you, what the fuck are you talking about, do you somehow associate O'Lielly Factor for kids as a slippery slope which will lead kids to having unprotected sex. Or did you just through that example out there to demonstrate the fact that you are a conservative whackjob who wants to dictate morality to people who don't want to hear it?
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:33 pm | #

Jenny, Vicki -- hi there! Been busy. Go take a look here and tell me what you think.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:34 pm | #

"I don't have a perverted aunt. Got a fundie aunt, though..."
Backslider

Hey, you give her a copy of my book (available just in time for Christmas) and you'll have a perverted ex-fundie aunt by page 140 or your money back.*

*Offer not available in reality-based communities.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:36 pm | #

What did Falafel boy say right after he stuck a vibrator up his ass?

"I'm Bill O'Reilly, and I approve this massage."
Shall remain nameless | 12.17.04 - 4:36 pm | #

filkertom, What? No chick peas?
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:36 pm | #

filkertom -

very cute. i wouldn't get one, only because i wouldn't be able to stomach wearing a bill o'reilly anything, if you get my drift. but i love what you're doing, anyway...
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:36 pm | #

I was merely trying to point out a little hypocrisy.

Hey, yeah--he's right. We should all call for a boycott of krsaz's tv, radio and publishing outlets and their supporting advertisers. Oh, wait...

Say, if a false dichotomy falls in the blogoshpere, does the image of Bill O'Reilly's loofah mitt appear in Liddy Dole's merkin?
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 4:37 pm | #

I have already served, and am not eligible for re-enlistment.

Of course you are - whether you like it or not.
dave | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:37 pm | #

cosmic grappler,
No offense, but I think I'd prefer this particular aunt to remain non-perverted, thank you very much. My family already blames me for my cousins being little wild heatherns as it is.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:38 pm | #

OT- just saw the hack dennis miller at the mall- he looks even more humorless than he has become or maybe just pissed off and/or constipated...
focus | 12.17.04 - 4:38 pm | #

"Kids get no respect in this society and adults wonder why they show no respect."

I'd have to disagree with that, backslider. Kids get too damn much respect and attention in this country. Everything has to be vetted "for the kids." Janet Jackson' right ti pops out, it's like Mrs. Lovejoy: "Won't someone please think of the children?!!!?!"

I agree with Bill Maher on this: Fuck the kids.
Just Sayin' | 12.17.04 - 4:39 pm | #

Jenny -- I was just going with the idea someone mentioned upthread of wearing something that'd really piss him off. Idle thing, nothing I'm married to.

Bo -- no good graphics for chickpeas that didn't look like marbles, gravel, or any of a number of balloon-bust video games.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:39 pm | #

"...little wild heathens..."
Backslider

Now you're talking my core demographic.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:40 pm | #

filkertom -

you are appreciated! hey, can we order an atriots mug yet?
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:41 pm | #

krsaz, read the whole sentence. It was a comparison. You took the position that advocating that a child do something without its parents' knowledge or consent was bad. I brought up the comparison of sex education in schools, with attendant passing out of condoms without parental knowledge or consent; and added the fact that there are many, primarily on the left, who advocate that teenage girls should be able to get abortions without parental knowledge or consent.

The latter has been defended since my original post as good by a commenter in this thread.

That just seems hypocritical to me.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 4:41 pm | #

dexter,

Date rape is an issue that no one should take lightly. It happens, and it sucks. I was at a party in college and this football player asked if he could take me home. We were talking for most of the evening, he knew several of my friends, so I figured he'd be okay. He was a very large man, played some defensive line position, 6'6", close to 275#. I'm relatively tall myself, 5'8", and medium build, but I was in no way prepared to throw this guy off of me once I realized what he intended to do. Saying "no" rang hollow, screaming "no" didn't do me one bit of good.

Back then, if you reported that kind of thing, you'd be considered a slut...

btw, I'm not telling this for sympathy. I'm over it, have been for two decades. No sympathy, please.

But it is disgusting, and someone with a weaker constitution could have been scarred for a long time after that kind of an incident. I just remember that he creeped me out every time I'd bump into him...ewww. Funny, he was an art major.

Fuck the Republicans if they can't recognize reality.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:41 pm | #

I'd have to disagree with that, backslider. Kids get too damn much respect and attention in this country. Everything has to be vetted "for the kids." Janet Jackson' right ti pops out, it's like Mrs. Lovejoy: "Won't someone please think of the children?!!!?!"

Fretting about the effect of an incident on a vague and anonymous group designated "children" (by definition unable to speak or reason for themselves) is not "respect."

Respectfully....
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.17.04 - 4:41 pm | #

I am retired from the Army. There is a very real chance that I could get called back to active service. I have no problem with that.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 4:43 pm | #

Everything has to be vetted "for the kids." Janet Jackson' right ti pops out, it's like Mrs. Lovejoy: "Won't someone please think of the children?!!!?!"

I agree with Bill Maher on this: Fuck the kids.
Just Sayin'

That's NOT respect.

What that is is infantilization (it's a real word) which is a tried-and-true patriarchal strategy designed to reduce any opposition to the patriarchy to the level of childishness which is 'legitimately' under the supervision of --wait for it---

the patriarchy...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:45 pm | #

"I agree with Bill Maher on this: Fuck the kids."
Just Sayin'

Spoken like someone who doesn't have any children.

I personally think it is the parents responsibility to show their kids how to be responsible liberals in society. I don't care about Janet's tit popping out for a millisecond during the Superbowl, I do care that our government sucks shit through a straw.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:45 pm | #

Remember this motto to live by:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

Jolly Holidays, chers...
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 3:55 pm | #

Love this!
QuinnLaBelle | 12.17.04 - 4:45 pm | #

Vicki -

I know you're not asking for sympathy. But I can't help saying I'm sorry that happened to you. Happy holidays, hon.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:45 pm | #

Q: What do Bill O'Reilly and a loofah have in common?

A: They're both abrasive but one is actually a lower form of animal life while the other is just a sponge.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:46 pm | #

...There is a very real chance that I could get called back to active service. I have no problem with that.
Special Ed

Neither would anyone here, i si=uspect...I don't imagine any of would miss you appreciably if you were to be recalled to your former profession...in fact, i believe we'd have a party and wave (tearily) "Bon Voyage"
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:47 pm | #

GODDAMN I'M FUCKING HORNY. I'M SO FUCKING HORNY RIGHT NOW MY MOUTH IS FUCKING DRY.
Ô¿Ô | 12.17.04 - 4:48 pm | #

Special Ed:

Yes, I know it was a comparison, the point is you are comparing reading a shitty political book to sex, condoms and abortion. Apple meet Orange.

Bill O'Lielly had an abortion, it's called "the Factor"
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:49 pm | #

"I brought up the comparison of sex education in schools, with attendant passing out of condoms without parental knowledge or consent"

That's a straw man, the child in question is 13, in the seventh or eighth grade. No school in the country is passing out condoms to thirteen year olds. By all means, prove me wrong.

[Speaking of straw men, anyone catch Jonah Goldberg's latest turd? He starts out by saying the left's sole argument against Social Security "reform" (read: eradication)is an irrational desire to preserve FDR's legacy, then spends 500 words tearing down that argument. The very definition of a straw man.]

"the fact that there are many, primarily on the left, who advocate that teenage girls should be able to get abortions without parental knowledge or consent"

Again, no one is advocating 12 and 13 year olds be allowed to have abortion without parental consent. The proposals I've seen (I am certainly no expert in the subject, so, please, prove me wrong) concern those 16 and older, who, it is argued, would rather carry thorugh with an unwanted pregnancy, or go the back-alley abortion route if forced to tell their parents.
Just Sayin' | 12.17.04 - 4:49 pm | #

Jenny -- ummm... yeah. It's been up for about a week. Atriots shop.

Vicki -- wow. Just... wow. And a million hugs or so.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:49 pm | #

Uh, Incognito, this isn't your usual chat room.

Oh, right, it is. Sorry.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:50 pm | #

Vicki:

5'8", hmmmmmmmmmm, sounds like a tall drink of water.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm | #

Special Ed,
No suprise that you weren't allowed to reenlist. You're too dumb be trusted with a firearm.

I had access to the syllabus for every sex ed program my kid's attended, and a parental consent form as well. As far as going behind the parent's back to get an abortion, if keeping it secret is what will keep the teenager alive, no problem. I guess abusive, irrational parents don't exist in whatever fantasy land it is you live in, and I'm damn sure you don't have kids.
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm | #

Q: What do Bill O'Reilly and a loofah have in common?

A: They're both abrasive but one is actually a lower form of animal life while the
other is just a sponge.
cosmic grappler | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:46 pm | #

Q: What's the difference between
Bill O'Reilly and the Hindenberg?

A: One's a flaming nazi gas bag,
and the other's just a dirigible.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm | #

Vickie...

I remember a bunch of years ago when Slimebaugh was first on the air, it was a valentine's day show, and he went off on "date rape," claiming that, as a concept, it defamed "the ancient and honorable art of seduction."
And I thought: thus spake the rapist...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm | #

Bill O'Reilly just has that 'je ne sais quoi'about him.

Look at the big picture and have some sympathy for the doof. In five years he'll be hosting reality shows with midgets vs. trannies.

The poor fucker will never catch a break. Professionally, yes. He's got book deals, radio and TV millions. But he'll never get respect from anyone with an IQ above 80. I think he knows it too.
buena vista | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm | #

Konopelli, just as long as none here had to risk their precious skins for their "deeply held beliefs", is that right?

It's just peachy for others to do the dirty work so's you don't chip a nail, and good riddance to those rough types?

Or am I misinterpreting your post?
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm | #

I brought up the comparison of sex education in schools, with attendant passing out of condoms without parental knowledge

And regardless of whether condoms are made available or not, everyone knows that teenagers always notify their parents of impending fornication.

No smiley face sticker for our "special" friend today. So sad, too bad.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 4:52 pm | #

filkertom -

Great! I'm ordering a couple right now (just emailed you about it...)
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:52 pm | #

No blog. It's just a riff on "Jenny from the Block", J-Lo.
Jenny from the Blog

ok. I'm an idiot. Funny
Yoshimi | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:52 pm | #

Just Sayin',
The estimable Mr. Jeffers said it better than I ever possibly could, but I'll go ahead and throw in my twaddle. "What about the children" isn't respect. Banning stuff from adult consumption to "protect children" isn't respect. What it is, however, is uptight, bent-out-of-shape and, above all, scared shitless adults using kids as a hammer to enforce their own particular view of morality onto a culture, mainly because they can't deal with what's different from their tiny world view.

No one ever stopped and explained to little Johnny just why seeing Janet's microsecond long half-titty flash was such a bad thing. No one ever explains to kids why they shouldn't listen to Eminem or Marilyn Manson, or why they shouldn't read Huck Finn or whatever book the blue-noses hate this week. They just say "Do as I say and shut up", which makes the kids go out and buy records with naughty words and break their little necks to see the merest flash of female flesh.

There is something to be said for parental authority, or as my old man called it, "You don't like my rules, find you another place to live." But folks also need to sit down with their kids and explain just why they have objections to violent movies or titties or gay marriage or hardcore rap or whatever gets their particular panties in a bunch. In other words, raise your own fucking kids and quit expecting society to change just so you don't have to.

Treat kids like human beings - albeit with care, since they're still forming - but don't treat 'em like porcelin dolls. Or at least don't have the audacity to be shocked and disgusted - I'm looking at you, Tom Wolfe - when they get out from under your wing and go fucking nuts. Which they will.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:52 pm | #

GODDAMN I'M FUCKING HORNY. I'M SO FUCKING HORNY RIGHT NOW MY MOUTH IS FUCKING DRY.
Ô¿Ô/i>

That might also be the weed kicking in...it does have that effect, actually both effects...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 4:53 pm | #

Incog, I wish I knew what to say to ease your burden.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:53 pm | #

It's just peachy for others to do the dirty work so's you don't chip a nail, and good riddance to those rough types?

Special Ed

Ed, do you really want to go here? It's so close to Christmas.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:55 pm | #

Jenny -- two things. First, Atrios hasn't said boo one way or the other. I know he reads these threads; I sincerely hope he doesn't mind, and, as I've said before, if he does mind, I'll stop it completely. No matter what happens, the small profit made from it goes to Eschaton.

Second, it's not up at my main site because it's not an in-stock item like my CDs. Cafe Press does the work; you order from them. I just created the graphics.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:56 pm | #

krsaz, am I vertically challenged?
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:57 pm | #

Look at the big picture and have some sympathy for the doof. In five years he'll
be hosting reality shows with midgets vs. trannies.

As the poet says, a consummation
devoutly to be wished.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 4:57 pm | #

five spot says Kono rips Eddy a new one in 3, 2, 1,....
bo | 12.17.04 - 4:57 pm | #

filkertom, loved the shirt. Truly.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:57 pm | #

Damn. Just got here and have to leave. I'll be back later this evening. Hugs all around. Kono, please don't kill anyone till I get back. Well, okay, if they really piss you off.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:59 pm | #

filkertom -

thanks. just got two mugs and a mousepad. it's an atriots christmas after all...
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 4:59 pm | #

o'reilly is a joke, but he's a DANGEROUS joke, & we all need to remember that.
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:59 pm | #

And I thought: thus spake the rapist...
Konopelli

Dude...I think it's evident that Rush has some serious sexual issues floating around in that fat head of his.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 4:59 pm | #

krsaz, am I vertically challenged?
Isn't that Bob Dole's line?
Robert M. Jeffers | 12.17.04 - 5:00 pm | #

Or am I misinterpreting your post?
Special Ed
Speaking only for myself, I pledged allegiance to my country and its Constitution, to protect them from enemies both foreign and domestic. I am a veteran of 4 years (64-6 in the uniform of my country. Then I got the fuck out, with a good discharge, and a handful of medals (all of which I sent with a friend to dump on the lawn of the WhiteHouse in the spring of 72...) and the GI Bill...
I have never looked back...
I have only a very little sympathy for the lifer mentality, pal...

You seem to me to be a whining dipstick...no offense...
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 5:00 pm | #

Vicki -- thanks. It's not a final design, but it seemed like a good silliness. Any suggestions on how to word it are appreciated, and this time I'm not going for dignity. This is, after all, Falafel Bill.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:00 pm | #

Yoshimi -

Not an idiot.
I've been asked that very same
question here several times!
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:00 pm | #

Bill's just wacky, I tell ya!

He must be hopped up on goofballs!

That zany crazy guy! [i]Goofballs[/i] - that's what's goin' on here! He's in-fucking-sane!

Squeaky guy's on fire with them Goofballs! He's a role model for the new generation! Wacky, but deeply caring. That's our wacky embarrasing half-cousin Bill alright!

He's a bit like on the Eschaton trolls, "Gordon the Magnificent", but with worse spelling skills and completely lacking Gordon's undenialbel animal magnetism -

Wacky republican shills - I just can't get enough of their zany antics!
.
TelltaleHeart | 12.17.04 - 5:00 pm | #

krsaz, am I vertically challenged?
Vicki Stein

not to my overwhelming height of 6'0".
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:01 pm | #

just as long as none here had to risk their precious skins

You can take the broad brush and shove it up your ass.
Snow | 12.17.04 - 5:01 pm | #

And hey, if you got four kids, I hope to Elvis you're giving 'em the birds and the bees speech at the earliest neccessary opportunity, explaining them all the various facets of sex, from why people have sex to the consequences. I hope it's done in a logical, thought-out and, above all, loving manner and you're not scaring the shit out of them with boogey men and nightmare tales. I hope you're encouraging them to learn as much as they can before they do, and above all, I hope you're explaining to them just why you feel they should take the particular course of action you think they should take, whatever it might be. That way, arming the little buggers with knowledge and information rather than fear, you won't have to worry about them sneaking around for condoms, sex and abortions because they're too scared to come to you, their parent, for advice or help.

That's all I ask, personally.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:02 pm | #

OK, I probably should not make fun of this, but...

The longtime conductor of the Crystal Cathedral Orchestra -- a composer and arranger who worked with Celine Dion and John Tesh -- shot himself to death at the soaring glass-and-steel church Friday after a nine-hour standoff that started just before a Christmas pageant was to begin.

Celine Dion, John Tesh, Crystal Cathedral - what took him so long?
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:03 pm | #

krsaz, am I vertically challenged?
Isn't that Bob Dole's line?
Robert M. Jeffers

LOL! I love you, Rev. Pray for my sinful ways this weekend, will ya?
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:03 pm | #

Special Ed,

Can't say I didn't warn you, buddy.

(And just in case you're wondering:

USA 1969-1971.)
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:04 pm | #

Dude...I think it's evident that Rush has some serious sexual issues floating around in that fat head of his.

try a plunger...
focus | 12.17.04 - 5:04 pm | #

Celine Dion, John Tesh, Crystal Cathedral - what took him so long?
Holden Caulfield

Holden, someone, I think it was our dear watertiger, beat you to the punch hours ago.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:05 pm | #

speakin of....

ALL ACCESS PASS TO MARAJUANA BUTTSEX ISLAND! with FULL RELEASE!
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:05 pm | #

Backslider:

I sure Special Ed will explain the realities of Abstinence only sex education.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:05 pm | #

O'Reilly is such a dumbfuck.
The Fool | 12.17.04 - 5:06 pm | #

a low level of reading comprehension. - forgive us for not using our ouaji boards at hand to decipher the gobbledygook rhetoric of your original post.
bo | 12.17.04 - 5:06 pm | #

i am so heartbroken coz i just read that ann-margret is performing a song @ crystal cathedral this weekend.

she's gone to the mega-dark-side.
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:06 pm | #

not to my overwhelming height of 6'0".

Fits like a perfect puzzle piece, then.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:06 pm | #

OK, somewhere in this house is a drink with my name on it.

But, it's not too late to buy BENEATH A PANAMANIAN MOON for all the mystery lovers on your list.

Hey, even whores have to make a living.
cosmic grappler | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:07 pm | #

Sorry I'm late to the thread.
Had a project due.

I wish O'Reilly would just Jack Mehoffer awready!

Hasn't this confused, disingenuous dipshit had his 15 minutes yet?
Cotton Mather | 12.17.04 - 5:07 pm | #

Media Matters = gun

O'Reilly = fish in barrel
Michigan | 12.17.04 - 5:07 pm | #

Holden, someone, I think it was our dear watertiger, beat you to the punch hours ago.
Vicki Stein

Well, I suppose I consigned myself to a few more years of hellfire for mocking a suicide for no reason at all.

Did watertiger post a photo of Les Kinsolving dressed as a Confederate General yet?
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:07 pm | #

Holden:

And yet Kenny G walks the streets
a free man.....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:08 pm | #

Gotta go do a couple of good deeds...

keep the faith, chilluns...

see ya at the beach
Konopelli | 12.17.04 - 5:08 pm | #

Konopelli, I like fruitcake. OTOH, I hate pumpkin pie -- whose idea was it to make pie from squash anyway, and then cover it with cream?! Pass the dairy-free goodies; I'm allergic.
Interrobang | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:09 pm | #

focus: OT- just saw the hack dennis miller at the mall- he looks even more humorless than he has become or maybe just pissed off and/or constipated...

Let me guess: Red suit, fake white beard, drunk?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:10 pm | #

Fits like a perfect puzzle piece, then.

My dad always said, "Everyone's the same height when they're laying down."
Central Scrutinizer | 12.17.04 - 5:10 pm | #

bj-

Are you trying to italicize? You know you need to use the little greater-than and less-than signs instead of the brackets, right?

>
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:11 pm | #

My dad always said, "Everyone's the same height when they're laying down."

Central S. -

Amazing how that works out, isn't it?
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:11 pm | #

-- It's actually spelled "supercilious", you know.

-- Haven't checked Salon.com yet, but unless the investigations & litigation into the 11/2 Debacle bear fruit that changes the current dominion of the Kleptocratic wing of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party definitely needs to radically reform itself.

I agree completely with Jenny's position. If the Democrats roll over and don't offer maximum resistance to the string of loyalist sycophants about to be nominated for high office, fuck 'em. I'm not buying into the suggestion that craven lily-livered acquiescence is really a shrewd and savvy strategy.

It's slightly off point, but I truly think Tom Tomorrow's Goofus and Gallant cartoon sums it up. I'll be pleased if Kerry emerges from the shadows and becomes a force of opposition, but I'm not voting for the next Democratic "Gallant".
Little Brøther | 12.17.04 - 5:12 pm | #

Ou sont les chats d'antan?
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:12 pm | #

O'Really: Eyes wide shut.
Cranky When Old | 12.17.04 - 5:12 pm | #

None taken, Konopelli. That was a very difficult time to be in the military, I understand.

The military has changed a wee in the interim, however. No draftees. All volunteer. Most members want to serve their country, for various personal reasons. They are not stupid, or ignorant. A great many have some college education before joining, and almost all continue their education while in the service. Even in theaters of war, by the way.

I will only speak for my self when I say that saying that you support the troops while putting down everything they're fighting for, isn't support. It sounds like a bunch of rationalization to me.

I don't know if you've done any such thing, but I have seen the sentiment here quite a bit.

I know most of us are Americans and wish the best for our families, our country, and our world. I also know that it's possible to mean well and still be wrong.

But not nearly as much fun as freaking out and flinging shit at every possible opportunity, real or imagined. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Won't someone take the high road?
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 5:12 pm | #

Konopelli - Remember this motto to live by:
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

It's comments like this that make me fall in love with you, Kono. Great great comment.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:13 pm | #

Let me guess: Red suit, fake white beard, drunk?
.
Jeffraham Prestonian

nah... the i am a somebady so fuck it grunge look- topped off with a face scowled down to the size of a quarter lest anyone dare approach and adulate
focus | 12.17.04 - 5:14 pm | #

Ou sont les chats d'antan?

Steve ~

A little bit of french is a dangerous thing. You just said something about pussy.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:15 pm | #

I will only speak for my self when I say that saying that you support the troops while putting down everything they're fighting for

... and what, pray tell, is that?
focus | 12.17.04 - 5:16 pm | #

Tena, agreed, Kono, has really hit a wonderful stride. I'd love to read a book written by him.
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:16 pm | #

OT, but in the story about the murdered woman in MO, I still see a headline stating "Slain mom's fetus believed found" The story refers to a 2 day old infant. Guess this means that anybody who has a c-section has given birth to a fetus, not a baby? WTF?
njbrad

I think that headline was a typo. It should have read, "Slain Mom's Festus Believed Found."

TVLand is having a Gunsmoke marathon this weekend.
Holden Caulfield | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:17 pm | #

Special Ed - you support the troops while putting down everything they're fighting for, isn't support. It sounds like a bunch of rationalization to me.

That must be because you are incapable of a nuanced thought. Personally, I abhor this illegal and flat wrong war. That goes right to the people who started it - the administration.

I don't blame the rank and file military for following orders, even though I think the orders are criminal. I think the military is just as much a victim of this war as anyone else is.

Sorry if your brain is incapable of anything more complex than: "Bush is great."
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:17 pm | #

Vicki:
Now we're getting somewhere....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:18 pm | #

Goofus and Gallant
Little Brøther | 12.17.04 - 5:18 pm | #

Steve ! Ha ha ha!
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:20 pm | #

Little Brøther -

What makes no sense to me is that anti-torture is not an unpopular political stance. The Gonzales nomination should be easy to quash, plus an opportunity to bring the horrors of this war to the American people who might not understand what's happening over there (and here - Gitmo).

Do people here know that we are stringing up prisoners and setting fire to their hands? That we have admitted to torturing 8 more detainees in Afghanistan to death!?

And more and more.

If nothing else, we can certainly be the "anti-torture" party, who but the truly insane say that this is right?
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:21 pm | #

I will only speak for my self when I say that saying that when you support the troops while putting down everything they're fighting for, isn't support.

Sorry about the typo. The comment was not directed at any one person.

backslider, I did educate my kids. I did advocate abstinence, but also educated them on methods of safe sex, and importance of reporting a pregnancy to my wife and me without fear of us freaking out.

They're adults now, and free to do what they wish.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 5:22 pm | #

And by the way, I don't want to fight the Gonzales nomination for politcal capital, even if there is some.

He just shouldn't be in that position. He should be in jail with the rest of them. We should fight him because it's the right thing to do and let the chips fall as they may...
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:22 pm | #

The comparison was about advocating that children do things behind their parents' back, but thanks for having a low level of reading comprehension. Or for deliberately moving the goalposts. Whichever it was.

Let's see, krsaz posts a comment showing his contempt for a public figure--who goes on at length touting his moral superiority--when said public figure advises a youngster to go behind his parents' back's. Then you bring in the false dichotomy of comparing that to public health officials making contraceptive/STD prevention/abortion services AVAILABLE to high schoolers, and cry "hypocrisy". And we're the ones with reading comprehension difficulties? Moving the goalposts?
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 5:23 pm | #

You know you're really horny when...

* Liddy Dole starts looking like Cameron Diaz.

* You start scouring the Internet to see if you might be able to buy one of those 'Caught in the Act' porn videos starring Babs and George Sr.

* You try to line up Lyndi England to jump out of a cake at your birthday party.

* You purchase Visine by the six-pack on account of your eyes are always drying out.

* The crotch is always the first thing to need patching on your blue jeans.

* Your friends all whisper behind your back that even the crack of dawn isn't safe when you're around.
..
nattering nabob | 12.17.04 - 5:24 pm | #

backslider, I did educate my kids. I did advocate abstinence, but also educated them on methods of safe sex, and importance of reporting a pregnancy to my wife and me without fear of us freaking out.

They're adults now, and free to do what they wish.
Special Ed

You sound like a good dad. Not sure why you are apologizing for Bill O'Reilly though? He gave bad advise. Admit it.
Yoshimi | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:24 pm | #

Hello everyone,
We have just started a website called www.progressivepioneers.org. We have created ProgressivePioneers.org in order to establish a forum for discussion in which we can all learn from one another. So come and join us. Remember, change begins with you.

Thank you,
Steve
Steve | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:24 pm | #

All right, much to my dismay, I have an obligation ~ my weekly cocktail party with friends. However, I don't want to leave ~ I've had too much fun here today (sniff sniff). Thanks to everyone for the comedy and the support. Tena, I hope your dinner party is fabulous tomorrow night!

krsaz ~ ahhhh, but I'll miss you in our communal bed this weekend. It's awfully cold up here, and your warm, soft flesh against mine is a temptation I can only dream about. And if you do a little crossword puzzle or take a sip of coffee, think of me.

Peace everyone. Maybe I'll be back in a few hours, kind of buzzed, but what the hell?!!!
Vicki Stein | 12.17.04 - 5:26 pm | #

nattering nabob: * Your friends all whisper behind your back that even the crack of dawn isn't safe when you're around.

That's nothin'. When I walk in a room, the fish stop swimming.
.
Jeffraham Prestonian | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:26 pm | #

Police Find Baby; Could Be From Slain Mom

Skidmore, Mo.... Isn't that the same town where the whole town got together and killed the town bully 20 or so years ago?
Central Scrutinizer | 12.17.04 - 5:26 pm | #

"I also know that it's possible to mean well and still be wrong."
Special Ed

Well, that sounds like something you must know about. I call Bullshit by the way on your "support the troops" meme, I'm against this war and I want our boys to come home alive and well. I have nothing but respect for veterans and the sacrifices they have made. Nobody on this blog disrespects the troops, we are sickened every time another young man or woman dies for Bush's stupid fucked up war.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:26 pm | #

Special Ed:

Do you believe that the "good" Germans who supported their troops when they invaded Poland were simply being good patriots?
Cranky When Old | 12.17.04 - 5:26 pm | #

Nattering Nabob:
My sexual fantasy is two women.
In the same year.
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:29 pm | #

"I will only speak for my self when I say that saying that you support the troops while putting down everything they're fighting for, isn't support. It sounds like a bunch of rationalization to me."

Love: Sinner
Hate: Sin

I think most of us believe that the war is a crock and that the folks fighting it aren't being used in the best way. Most of us here will acknowledge that the US military and its members are the finest in the world. But we also think that they should be utilized in last-resort situations, not political whims.

Think of it this way. If someone you know has a 1970 Firebird and grinds the gears and never gets its oil changed, it's not the machine you resent, it's the way in which it is being used.
Vestal Vespa | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:30 pm | #

And before someone asks again, I have already served, and am not eligible for re-enlistment.
Special Ed

-I hope Rummy didn't hear that.

He may make you eligible...in a hurry.
Admiral Komack | 12.17.04 - 5:31 pm | #

My sexual fantasy is two women.
In the same year.
steve simels

Same time becomes same day becomes same week same year becomes same decade.

You have a ways to go young man.
Cotton Mather | 12.17.04 - 5:31 pm | #

Good night Vicki baby, you tantalizing little minx.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:32 pm | #

Guess this means that anybody who has a c-section has given birth to a fetus, not a baby? WTF?
njbrad | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:15 pm | #

I once had an argument with a pro-lifer end rather abruptly when he said that a fetus and a real-live, out of the womb baby are the same things because when people get knocked up, all you hear is "How's the baby" and "When's the baby due", not "How's the fetus". Seriously. That was his argument. I forget what I called him but I imagine it wasn't very polite.

TVLand is having a Gunsmoke marathon this weekend.
Holden Caulfield | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:17 pm | #

Far out. I was named after Marshall Matt Dillon. I suppose my brother should count himself lucky he wasn't named "Chester" or "Festus".

Special Ed,
Good deal. Simple, isn't it. That's what parents should be doing, not demanding the schools do it for them (and half-ass, at that). Show kids respect and show them a reason to respect you. Cause I hate to break it to you parents, but here's a fact of life: your kids, once they hit puberty, think you're quite possibly the dumbest, most out of it creature to ever walk the face of the earth.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:32 pm | #

My sexual fantasy is two women.
In the same year.

Steve, you have now officially entered the Comedy Gold Hall of Fame.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:33 pm | #

I think the military is just as much a victim of this war as anyone else is.

Amen to that. The top brass must know the orders and bad decisions from the DoD are disasters. The mental health disasters in waiting will bring a new round of doom.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 5:33 pm | #

And by the way, I don't want to fight the Gonzales nomination for politcal capital, even if there is some.

my problem is the attitude that there is some capital to be GAINED from NOT opposing him.
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:33 pm | #

Personally, I "support the troops" just fine. For that matter, I support the opposing soliders, too. Don't see why anyone has to get killed for much of anything, frankly. For me, it's more a matter of thinking the leaders of both sides are fucking nimrods. It never changes, does it. Rich man says "Go fight my war and die for my causes" and the poor man's got little recourse but to do so.

Support human beings. Fuck the military.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:35 pm | #

n69n -

ditto for me.
like i said -
this nomination should
be fought because it's
the righteous thing to do.
end of story.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:35 pm | #

I suppose my brother should count himself lucky he wasn't named "Chester" or "Festus".

don't you mean "Chester" or "Baby"?
focus | 12.17.04 - 5:36 pm | #

Jenny:
Thanks, but I stole the line from
somewhere.
And BTW: I think you're right on
about the Gonzales thing. I can't
believe the Dems are going to roll
over on this....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:37 pm | #

"your kids, once they hit puberty, think you're quite possibly the dumbest, most out of it creature to ever walk the face of the earth."
Backslider

Yeah, my 11 year old is already starting to go down that road, I've solved that problem though, I told her she can't date until she's thirty.

Going out this weekend to purchase bars for the windows, a shovel and a gun.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:37 pm | #

I am not defending O'Reilly. I am not saying that his advice was good or bad. I'm saying that if a person says that one instance of doing something is bad, but another instance of doing the same thing is good, I consider that hypocrisy.

Saying that one supports the troops, but that they are illegal invaders and that one hopes they fail against the righteous patriots they face, is not going to be considered supportive by said troops. When said troops volunteered for their service, and, having reviewed the available information, believe that what they're doing is right and is proceeding successfully, they won't think it supportive when being called ignorant victims caught in a quagmire.

Just saying, is all.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 5:37 pm | #

If you went to Iraq and asked the troops if they wanted to take the first bus out of that hellhole -- how many would raise their hands?

Would love to know how their hearts and minds have changed since they were deployed. I think we know the answer to that.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:38 pm | #

I have never watched him. I ignore him. Which, if you did the same, he'd probably go away.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. We did ignore these idiots for years. Instead of going away, they now have their own radio station and at least two tv stations. And the presidency, and both houses of congress. We have to fight back. We are right, they are wrong. Sooner or later the great masses will wake up. Then things will get really interesting.
QuiltLady in NY | 12.17.04 - 5:38 pm | #

Nodaway County Nod away? Well, if it's a backwater, guess you might as well call it a backwater. - land of the live ex-uterine fetus.
bo | 12.17.04 - 5:39 pm | #

steve simels - I have a kind of a funny story - a friend of ours (single) got an HIV test as part of his physical several years ago - just to check. When he asked for it, the doctor asked him: "well, have you had multiple partners?" Our friend got flustered and said: "Well, once up in Denton there were these two girls...but just once." The doctor said: "I didn't mean at the same time."
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:39 pm | #

Yes, yes--support the troops in what they do. How wrong we've been. We should follow the lead of the Armed Services themselves, such as in this case.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 5:39 pm | #

"Saying that one supports the troops, but that they are illegal invaders and that one hopes they fail against the righteous patriots they face, is not going to be considered supportive by said troops."

Did anyone say they hope the troops fail?

Anyone? Bueller?
Vestal Vespa | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:40 pm | #

Saying that one supports the troops, but that they are illegal invaders and that one hopes they fail against the righteous patriots they face, is not going to be considered supportive by said troops. When said troops volunteered for their service, and, having reviewed the available information, believe that what they're doing is right and is proceeding successfully, they won't think it supportive when being called ignorant victims caught in a quagmire.

How about they should have refused orders and taken the consequences? What's good enough for Nuremburg....
Cranky When Old | 12.17.04 - 5:41 pm | #

QuiltLady - We did ignore these idiots for years

I made the mistake of not taking the fundies seriously for years. I laughed at them (and still do - they are funny) and never in my wildest dreams thought they'd get this much power.

I guess the laugh is on me.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:41 pm | #

"Sooner or later the great masses will wake up. "

I'm guessing as soon as Bush and Co
start drafting their kids.....
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:42 pm | #

When said troops volunteered for their service, and, having reviewed the available information, believe that what they're doing is right...

Let's ask them today how they are feeling and let the ones who believe it is immoral come home. How about that?
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 5:43 pm | #

Tena:
That's priceless!
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:44 pm | #

"Sooner or later the great masses will wake up. "

i think it will be when people's parents *AND* grandparents have to move in with them because they've blown their privatized ss wadd.
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:44 pm | #

Repent! My god awakens!
wÒÓ† | 12.17.04 - 5:45 pm | #

Special Ed says:

"but that they are illegal invaders and that one hopes they fail against the righteous patriots they face"

Now eddie me boy, Can you show any of us one instance of someone posting something like this and blaming the troops...

(crickets chirping)

Nobody here hopes the troops are going to fail, we just don't see the picture as bright and shiny as you and your rose colored glasses do. We are pissed at Bush because he lied to this Country about this war, and he went to war without a plan to win the peace, and his asinine policies are getting troops killed. This war is the mother of all fuck-ups and you fucking know it.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:45 pm | #

I think we all agree on one point: by not properly ensuring our soldiers had the body armor and protection for the trucks and humvees, there is real loss of life and needless injury. That was most unsupportive.

And don't pretend the soldiers in Iraq give a damn that folks at home are pissed that Bu$hCo has blown the invasion. Big Time. They know that.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 5:46 pm | #

I made the mistake of not taking the fundies seriously for years. I laughed at them (and still do - they are funny) and never in my wildest dreams thought they'd get this much power.

I guess the laugh is on me.
Tena

Same here. Me and all my friends laughed our heads off at them for years. Sure, a couple of 'em scared us, and some developments seemed worrisome, but we always assumed that there was a limit to the amount of power they could get. Actually, I still think that's true, but I'm realizing that the ceiling is way higher than I thought.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:46 pm | #

bigvic - I can barely bring myself to think about the mental problems that our military is going to bring back here. Just think back on the stories we've already read about suicides and other problems - they seemed to start almost as soon as the war did.

Another generation, ruined. And when I think of the wounded, many very profoundly so - it just makes me sick.

god I fucking hate George W Bush. I fucking hate George W Bush and Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld and the rest of the monsters who have all this destruction and hatred and pain on their hands.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:47 pm | #

seems that some 900 children in this country have lost a parent to this goddmam war.
smarty jones | 12.17.04 - 5:48 pm | #

What if the "great masses" have woken up, and that's why there are so many Republicans in office?

It's always good to have a contingency plan.
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 5:49 pm | #

When said troops volunteered for their service, and, having reviewed the available information, believe that what they're doing is right and is proceeding successfully, they won't think it supportive when being called ignorant victims caught in a quagmire.

You're out of your mind. Proceeding successfully? not a quagmire? and you think the rank and file have any choice whether they get to go over there or not?

Good grief. Grow up. Stop pretending to speak for all the troops.

BTW, as a citizen it is my duty to speak out when I disagree with my government. Evil things happen when good men say nothing when wrongs are being committed.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 5:50 pm | #

Hey Ed:

Fuck off. Why are you here, you don't seem like the typical troll, just a deluded fascist.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 5:51 pm | #

I'm still hating on Haloscan today.

What a piece of shit it is.
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 5:51 pm | #

No, I mean "Festus", the replacement "Chester" after "Gunsmoke" went color.

oh feStus...sorry, nevermind
focus | 12.17.04 - 5:51 pm | #

What if the "great masses" have woken up, and that's why there are so many Republicans in office?

It's always good to have a contingency plan.

Yep, these are the same masses that think the earth is 6000 years old and that radio-carbon dating is a test of faith from god.

How about this contingency plan, since your kids are grown up and all, why don't you volunteer to run over to Iraq and take the place of one of those young guys?
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 5:53 pm | #

And as long as we're at it, howzabout some of the "support our troops" types own up to the fact that, when the troops do come home, it's gonna be to massive cuts in veterans' services, courtesy that great big ol' troop supporter (and AWOL coward) "President" Tipsy McStagger.

There's more to "supporting the troops" then slapping a magnetic ribbon on your car. If you've been supporting "Dear Leader" as all the time he systematically and calculatedly attempts to screw "the troops" at every turn - financially, medically, and militarily - then I would have to say your "support" is hypocrisy of the worst sort. I'd expect your probably the sort of person who'll be rolling up your window at the stop light when that "bum" with the "Iraqi war vet will work for food" sign starts a-tapping...
dave | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:53 pm | #

Wrong, wrong, wrong. We did ignore these idiots for years. Instead of going away, they now have their own radio station and at least two tv stations

AMEN!!!!!!

coz ignoting them worked sooooo welllllll

duh!!!
n69n | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:53 pm | #

What if the "great masses" have woken up, and that's why there are so many Republicans in office?

Well, there's one little flaw in that idea. Human history is the story of progress, of change. Admittedly, it's progress and change at a snail's pace, but it's still there. For instance, when we don't like what a leader's doing, we no longer chop off his head. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's the journey that matters.

There's nothing in the current GOP platform that matches up with that in any way, shape or form. What the hardcore Bush worshippers - as opposed to relatively sane conservatives - represent is merely the last gasp of a multitude of dying ideologies. You can't reclose Pandora's Box, no matter how much of a "mandate" you think you have.

Find me a plank of the current GOP's national platform that represents progress rather than fear, greed and hatred, and you might have an argument. Otherwise, you're just whistlin' "Dixie".
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:54 pm | #

Saying that one supports the troops, but that they are illegal invaders and that one hopes they fail against the righteous patriots they face, is not going to be considered supportive by said troops.

Your writing is awful. Putting that aside, no one here wants anymore US troops to be killed. Some soldiers agree with us that the war is unnecessary and illegal; some think it was necessary, but was utterly bungled by Bush and Rumsfeld et al; some think it's going great. There isn't some monolithic "military" viewpoint on the Iraq war - as you'd know if you actually talked to people instead of internalizing talking points - and personally I've found pro-GW soldiers to be much more polite about, and respectful of, dissenting views than the raving trolls who claim to speak for them.
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:55 pm | #

Same here. Me and all my friends laughed our heads off at them for years. Sure, a couple of 'em scared us, and some developments seemed worrisome, but we always assumed that there was a limit to the amount of power they could get. Actually, I still think that's true, but I'm realizing that the ceiling is way higher than I thought.

And you guys said I was crazy. Maybe you'll listen to four legs next time, eh?
four legs good | 12.17.04 - 5:55 pm | #

Gotta go -- everybody wang chung in
my absence.

Oh, and Ed's an idiot.b
steve simels | 12.17.04 - 5:59 pm | #

This war is the mother of all fuck-ups and you fucking know it.

What he said!
dave | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:59 pm | #

steve - glad you liked it - it cracked me up when he told me the story.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:59 pm | #

Tena -- [snort][chuckle][guffaw]

wÒÓ† -- I think you'd like these songs of mine.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:00 pm | #

What if the "great masses" have woken up, and that's why there are so many Republicans in office?

That's a pretty basic logical fallacy there. Or do you think Roosevelt's four terms were indicative of a sleepwalking public? Does political power always demostrate mass consciousness? Or only when it's a form of power you like?
Philalethes | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:00 pm | #

Cause I hate to break it to you parents, but here's a fact of life: your kids, once they hit puberty, think you're quite possibly the dumbest, most out of it creature to ever walk the face of the earth.
Backslider

Here's the thing, though: As a parent of two very young daughters, I would feel much more at ease when they get to that age knowing that pretty much everyone they are growing up with has at least basic knowledge about contraception and STD's. While I plan on creating an atmosphere in which an open dialogue about things sexual can occur, I sure as shit don't trust that every other parent will do the same. While teens seem to find trouble like flies find shit, I just feel more comfortable knowing that the "safety net" of sex ed in public schools will continue being supported.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 6:00 pm | #

joycamp,
Well, it's like I said earlier and, frankly, many times previously. If parents actually gave a shit about their kids' educations and lives, we wouldn't have this problem. As it is, the whole "abstinence only" nonsense comes off less as that and more of scared of sex adults using kids as a hammer to enforce a doomed-to-failure ideology. "Outta sight, outta mind" really isn't a good game plan when it comes to teenagers and their carbonated hormones.
Backslider | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:06 pm | #

Again, no one is advocating 12 and 13 year olds be allowed to have abortion without parental consent. The proposals I've seen (I am certainly no expert in the subject, so, please, prove me wrong) concern those 16 and older, who, it is argued, would rather carry thorugh with an unwanted pregnancy, or go the back-alley abortion route if forced to tell their parents.
Just Sayin' | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:49 pm | #

In fifth grade (11 yrs old) I sat next to a girl who was being raped by her father. She gave birth twice. Immigrants they fell through the cracks. I maintain that we must keep the option open precisely for these situations which are not as rare as we would like to believe. We have to remember that not everyone grows up in a middle class home where daddies and step-daddies keep their hands off their daughters.
QuiltLady in NY | 12.17.04 - 6:07 pm | #

Tena,

I strongly agree wit you about the mental problems that are escalading from Bu$h's cheneyed up war. Lord, it makes me sick to think about how many families are going to see their worlds fall apart cause of this.

Makes me really respect Kerry for leading a decent life after Viet Nam.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 6:09 pm | #

QuiltLady - We have to remember that not everyone grows up in a middle class home where daddies and step-daddies keep their hands off their daughters.

And not always in those middle class households, either. But I do think that while that situation must be kept in mind, it really isn't unreasonable to require parental authority for young minors to get a medical procedure. I don't know what the answer is because making a girl who has been raped by a family member go through the courts to get permission isn't really a good solution, either. There is no good answer for the problem of pregnancy that occurs due to incest unless the family is willing to press charges against the offender and to stand by the girl. And unfortunately, that isn't the case in many instances.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:16 pm | #

george bush is a dumb fuck? shit, i didn't know that.
the drunken cheerleader | 12.17.04 - 6:18 pm | #

bigvic - I have to say that I really do still admire John Kerry and it breaks my heart that he isn't our president. He did the right thing when he came back and it really is just so wrong that the Repugs unleashed the fucking hounds of hell on him for it.

I fucking hate those people. I just hate them. It's adding immeasurable kalpas of unfortunate rebirths to my karma (provided the Buddhists are right,) to hate them so, but I can't help it. They are just so evil and so ugly.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:24 pm | #

(a) Bush IS a dumb fuck.

(b) Where was O'Reilly when Cheney told Pat Leahy to go fuck himself on the floor of the U.S. Senate?

What a selective memory - and what an asshole!
Terry C | 12.17.04 - 6:24 pm | #

Backslider,
Absolutely. Shit, if "abstinence only" programs were all that were being implemented here in Chicago, I'd be inclined to join krsaz in buying window bars. Hell, I'd have giant plastic hamster exercise bubbles made.
joycamp | 12.17.04 - 6:25 pm | #

It's been interesting, but I have to go now.

Thanks to all who were polite.

Special Ed
Special Ed | 12.17.04 - 6:25 pm | #

Tena,

I don't know if you heard about this or not, (please, sit down for this one)but the SwiftLiars are so proud of the job they did on Kerry that they are regrouping next month to resume their hate campaign.

I kid you not.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 6:29 pm | #

"Resistance is futile.

All liberals will be assimilated, or destroyed..."

Yeah, right.

Who's gonna destroy us? You?

Begone - you have no power here!
Terry C | 12.17.04 - 6:31 pm | #

bigvic -- WTF!? Against who? More on Kerry? Or did some other Senator they didn't like happen to serve on a boat somewhere near them during the 60s so they can slander his character and record?

Jayzus. It makes me want them to be right about their religion, so they can find out how far down into Dante's Inferno they're gonna end up for their shit.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:32 pm | #

Terry:

I wrote that, it was supposed to be funny.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 6:33 pm | #

"Resistance is futile.

All liberals will be assimilated, or destroyed..."

Yeah, right.

Who's gonna destroy us? You?

Begone - you have no power here!
Terry C | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:31 pm

Indeed. Begone, before somebody drops a house on you.

(Older reference, better material -- we win.)
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:34 pm | #

Sorry -- I didn't catch that, krsaz. My bad. (This is why I always hated "pile-up" as a kid, too....)
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:35 pm | #

No problem, I thought it was funny, but too trollike apparently.
krsaz | 12.17.04 - 6:36 pm | #

I fucking hate those people. I just hate them.

Well, here's another reason to add to your list...
dave | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:38 pm | #

bigvic - Against Kerry? That's fucking insane.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:38 pm | #

"This war is the mother of all fuck-ups and you fucking know it.
krsaz"

Word!

And Bush is the biggest mother fucking fuck-up of all!
Terry C | 12.17.04 - 6:39 pm | #

filkertom,

I shit you not. The SwitLiars are going to go after Kerry all over again. Must have so much fun libeling him last time that they decided to reprise it.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 6:42 pm | #

dave - the Dallas paper actually had that story today.

It also ran an excerpt from Bill Moyers speech about the environment and the fundies. That kind of rocked me back on my heels - didn't expect to see that in the Dallas paper.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:43 pm | #

Peachy. Fuckin' peachy. And the worst part is, even though they were thoroughly discredited, even though they never should've gotten one-one-hundredth of the airplay and prominence they got, they're gonna come on and be given a solemn, open hearing, and then our fucking SCLM is gonna turn to Kerry and say, "So, have you stopped beating your wife? Huh? Huh?"

Gaaaaaah.
filkertom | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:47 pm | #

Terry:

I wrote that, it was supposed to be funny.
krsaz

I know, but THEY actually believe that shit.

You see them on here with their threats, which they haven't gotten the stones to carry out!
Terry C | 12.17.04 - 6:48 pm | #

bigvic - I wish to fuck that he'd turn around and sue their asses until there is nothing left of them. Goddamn, I don't know what else to say about that. I would dearly love to be able to kick their fucking asses.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 6:48 pm | #

"he SwitLiars are going to go after Kerry all over again. "

Err, Swift Boat Assholes:

Viet Nam is 30 years in the past.

We LOST - time to move on!
Terry C | 12.17.04 - 6:49 pm | #

focus at 4:38 -

I'm way late on this, but...no wonder Dennis Miller looked pissed.

I knew his career was on the rocks, but had no idea he had been reduced to performing at malls.

Poor guy.
Jennifer | 12.17.04 - 7:03 pm | #

Tena, filkertom,

There is a special place in hell with the SwifLiars name on it. I cannot imagine what drives such hatred. Kerry is good man and he served honorably in 'Nam.

Why not vent on Chimp the AWOL? Miserable fucks.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 7:12 pm | #

Tena,

You up for a Kerry lawsuit? Heheh. I'd love to sic you on those bastards.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 7:16 pm | #

Tena for Attorney General!
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 7:17 pm | #

Oh No,not another wingnut in need of born again toilet training.
Notice how BO (may I call him BO?) turns to violent threats after getting rejected.This is because as a child he was what we in the profession call a "Fast Flusher" anal retentive,characterized by trying to hide a non-delivery in the toilet by flushing and then claiming to have had a BM.How many times have we heard these tots phony cries above the noise of swirling water:"Im finished mommy".The little devils can drive even an experienced researcher to a drunken early grave.BO needs to be medicated every minute of every day.
notch | 12.17.04 - 7:17 pm | #

Damn. Not only is halo scan freezing up, it takes forever just to check my e-mail. I don't get it. I have a fairly zippy computer. The weirdest of all is that by Blackberry is faster now.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 7:20 pm | #

Thinking about his "book on tape" reading of that love scene makes me feel dirty.
Monica A | 12.17.04 - 7:31 pm | #

I don't know if you heard about this or not, (please, sit down for this one)but the SwiftLiars are so proud of the job they did on Kerry that they are regrouping next month to resume their hate campaign.
bigvic

The result this time may be a little different. What do their victims have to lose by fighting back angrily?
orbitron | 12.17.04 - 7:32 pm | #

He just shouldn't be in that position. He should be in jail with the rest of them. We should fight him because it's the right thing to do and let the chips fall as they may...

I agree that Gonzales' only qualification to be AG is the powerful suction he has applied to the president's sphincter. But as far as I know, not only does he not stand accused of a crime, he is not even the subject of any disciplinary action by the ABA, which would seem to me to be a much clearer case.

It pays for us to keep our wits about us on subjects like this, for the sake of our own credibility.
theodoric | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 7:35 pm | #

knew his career was on the rocks, but had no idea he had been reduced to performing at malls.

Poor guy.
Jennifer

no, no, mr. miller was not performing, but shopping... oh yeah and he does it extremely sardonically unfunny...
focus | 12.17.04 - 7:42 pm | #

But as far as I know, not only does he not stand accused of a crime, he is not even the subject of any disciplinary action by the ABA, which would seem to me to be a much clearer case.

If interpretation and convolution of the law, knowing that this will pave the way for subversion of the Constitution and the Geneva Convention isn't a crime... if providing legalistic justification for torture isn't a crime...

well, it should be. He's a criminal in my book, just like the rest of them. That's all I was saying.
Jenny from the Blog | 12.17.04 - 7:44 pm | #

and then our fucking SCLM is gonna turn to Kerry and say, "So, have you stopped beating your wife? Huh? Huh?"

Anybody who didn't hear Brock on Fresh Air last night should go to the website and listen. America has no respect remaining any more for journalists; the fate of Dan Rather underscored that. The people who get airtime and bandwidth are the liars, the demagogues, the Drudges and the Limbaughs and the O'Reillys who don't give a shit about anything but their own notoreity.

If you don't believe me, ask five people tomorrow who Seymour Hersh is. Then ask five people who Rush Limbaugh is.

the swift boat thing is something else. O'Neill and his crew are taken seriously because they feed the Myth of the American War Hero. Millions upon millions of Americans are unable to even consider the possibility that John Kerry is a patriot because, subconsciously, they know that the entire infrastructure of the Christian righteousness of America would come crashing down around their ears.
theodoric | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 7:59 pm | #

(provided the Buddhists are right,)

If anybody's right about extracirricular existence, it's the Buddhists.
Another Bruce | 12.17.04 - 8:00 pm | #

It's important to keep in mind that O'Reilly and Bush are, first and foremost, greedy liars and cowards. From this all else flows.
mike in pr | 12.17.04 - 8:04 pm | #

O'Neill and his crew are taken seriously because they feed the Myth of the American War Hero.

To his shame, Kerry lent support (apparently unwittingly) to the O'Neill faction and their charges by adopting the code language of "defending America" that is so widely used to describe American military adventurism.

John Kerry telegraphed in early interviews during the campaign that he is ashamed of a past many of us think he has no legitimate reason to be ashamed of. No doubt, over the years, he has paid the price for his principles. Quite likely, he really does regret some of the things he said to Dick Cavett. But that does not make them any less true.
theodoric | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 8:09 pm | #

Theodoric,

Well said, my friend. Oh how I wish Kerry would have breathed fire at those hatchet men. I just think Kerry is a true Gentleman and could not stoop to thier vile level.
bigvic | 12.17.04 - 8:24 pm | #

Moyers will be missed...

on NOW tonight...right now...great show on right wing media...O'reilly, hannity, the whole disgusting crowd. Brock used a lot...

.
numbby | 12.17.04 - 8:31 pm | #

SWEET!!
Reality Bites | 12.17.04 - 8:39 pm | #

yes, liberals will be assimilated.
like a virus is "assimilated."
and as in the brecht fable about tyranny, there is bursting and expulsion later.
komissars k & y | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 8:48 pm | #

kommisars - I likes it. That's a nice, vivid metaphor and I like the idea of being a virus. Yup. Great comment.
Tena | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 9:00 pm | #

what the hell are the Swift Boat Liars gearing up for???? 2006 elections? Rub it in a bit more?

Reminds me of the SNL mock political commercials with Will Ferrell where he's calling his opponent a loser and so on... AFTER he already won the election... he follows the guy around to the supermarket and harasses him and so on....

I guess you had to be there...
renato | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 9:42 pm | #

Ignoring the fact that Chevy Chase isn't a prominent liberal, I've read a little book called 'Treason' by some crazy bitch named Ann Coulter that a lot of people on the right seem to like. Bill might want to read it. I'm not sure there's a Democratic member of Congress she doesn't curse out.
thehim | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 10:29 pm | #

O'Reilly, you ignorant SLUT
chrisanthemama | 12.17.04 - 11:35 pm | #

Oh please. I hate O'Reilly as much as anyone, but c'mon. I think he was kidding. Let's maintain our sense of humor here!
san antone rose | 12.18.04 - 12:10 am | #

Been lurking for a while and decided to chime in.

Theodoric said:

If you don't believe me, ask five people tomorrow who Seymour Hersh is. Then ask five people who Rush Limbaugh is.

This is the problem. We are losing the battle because of the media. Hersh is a great journalist; Limbaugh is a piece of shit hack. Yet Limbaugh has the ear of so much of the nation; how do we change this?

By the way, if progressives want to support a Democrat for president in '08, let's get this over with now: Russ Feingold is the man.
Don | 12.18.04 - 2:21 am | #

I'm still waiting for Bill to get back to me vis a vis his preference, Astro Glide or Anal Eaze.
merl | 12.18.04 - 9:31 am | #

Besides being willfully ignorant, Americans are very ‘liberal’ when it comes to the truth. Those with influence and power, however derived, are perfectly willing to offer lies and distortion and repeat those lies or versions of them again and again.

Not only did the VP drop an f* bomb on a congressman, the President called a reporter an a* hole on mic. Chevy Chase is a professional idiot and nobody with half a grain of sense would listen to him (or any of the Hollywood Left-Wingers). So O’Reilly lied. He’s a professional idiot, too, of a different sort.

The fate of Dan Rather, on the other hand is more disturbing. Once, we could heed the authorities and be certain that someone, somewhere with power and influence would tell us the truth. There is no one now (at least in the main stream media), in whom we can trust.

The lies, misinformation and half-truths heard most often come from shows like O’Reilly’s, Crossfire, Fox and Limbaugh that are much more entertainment than news. Even the news coverage during the election was a parade of partisan shills parroting the campaign’s talking points or worse, the anchors and reports simply repeating the lies spoken by the candidates as if that was news.

Most ‘folks’ are too busy and under educated to invest in genuine participation in politics, and like our appetite for fast food, take the news in easy to carry packages. We’re easy to sell, and like any consumable, just run the ad over and over again, whether the content is true or not does not matter, touch an emotion and we’ll buy it.

It doesn’t have to be true - it just has to sound good. Such is our appetite for the Truth.
A. Pig | 12.18.04 - 10:36 am | #

Don't you get it? It doesn't matter whether what idiot O'Riley says is true, and it doesn't really matter how many of us Eschaton readers think he is laughable. What matters is that O'Riley has the ear of millions of believers who get their only news from Fox. And, as far as they are concerned, what they are hearing and watching is the - dare I say? - gospel. That is the issue, and unless we find a way to effectively combat this bullshit, it will only spread and become more entrenched in the American electorate.
Barry Walden | 12.18.04 - 11:33 am | #

Must have scrubbed his memory with his loofah.
Charles Foster Kane | 12.18.04 - 12:09 pm | #

>>you got 'supercillious' right...

yea for you!
Iron Fist, LGF | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:06 pm |
Witch | 12.18.04 - 5:31 pm | #

No, Iron Fist, he didn't get 'twat' right because you're just a man with a very small penis. Those are usually the ones with the most to prove.
Witch | 12.18.04 - 5:33 pm | #

~So, going behind your parents' backs to read a book in a library is bad; but being allowed to get condoms, fail to use them while having sex, then having an abortion behind your parents' backs is - what, okay?~

Only okay when said officials deny adolescents actual sex ed, opting instead for "abstinence education".

~And I believe the point was that Chase made his remarks deliberately and as the moderator of a public event. Vice President Cheney made his spontaneously, with no certain knowledge that they would be recorded and broadcast. Special Ed | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:14 pm | ~

What the cheney?? So it's okay to do so long as you don't get caught and/or it's behind closed doors?? Typical Republican thinking!
Witch | 12.18.04 - 5:35 pm | #

~krsaz, read the whole sentence. It was a comparison. You took the position that advocating that a child do something without its parents' knowledge or consent was bad. I brought up the comparison of sex education in schools, with attendant passing out of condoms without parental knowledge or consent; and added the fact that there are many, primarily on the left, who advocate that teenage girls should be able to get abortions without parental knowledge or consent. The latter has been defended since my original post as good by a commenter in this thread.
That just seems hypocritical to me.
Special Ed | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:41 pm |~

I believe krsaz was pointing out the hypocrisy of O'Reilly to bitch and moan and point fingers at everyone else about immorality, and then use it when it suits him. As for abortions without parental consent...should that include teenage daughters who become pregnant b/c their fathers, uncles, or brother rape them? Should it include teenage women who become pregnant through date rape and whose parents want to lock her up b/c they decree that it's "her fault"?
Witch | 12.18.04 - 5:45 pm | #

~Vickie...

I remember a bunch of years ago when Slimebaugh was first on the air, it was a valentine's day show, and he went off on "date rape," claiming that, as a concept, it defamed "the ancient and honorable art of seduction."
And I thought: thus spake the rapist...
Konopelli | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 4:51 pm |~

Who the hell would even equate date rape with seduction in the first place?? Was this when good ol' Rushie was shoving illegal pills down his fat throat?
Witch | 12.18.04 - 5:52 pm | #

~The military has changed a wee in the interim, however. No draftees. All volunteer.~

Not if Bush & Co. gets their way.

~Most members want to serve their country, for various personal reasons. They are not stupid, or ignorant. A great many have some college education before joining, and almost all continue their education while in the service. Even in theaters of war, by the way.~

Most join to get A) an education, B) health insurance or C) all of the above, which has now become so ridiculously expensive for the "common man" to afford, it would laughable if it wasn't so serious. If they do join to serve their country, msot hope their country will stand by them and not send them off to die in useless fucking wars that only pad a rich politician's ass. That's not asking too much, is it?

~I will only speak for my self when I say that saying that you support the troops while putting down everything they're fighting for, isn't support. It sounds like a bunch of rationalization to me.~

What the fuck are they fighting for? I keep hearing "FREEDOM! FREEDOM! FREEDOM!" Meanwhile, the neocrapservative right keeps telling us to stop speaking our minds, arresting people via illegal search and seizure and otherwise encouraging a witch hunt under the banner of fighting terrorism. Is this what they're fighting for? The right of our own country to act like the "terrorist regimes" it claims it's fighting to take down?

And golly gee, I didn't know it was a crime to not want to see 1,000+ American troops come home in bodybags fighting useless fucking wars b/c the Bush administration walks around with blinders on. Or to hear about them going into battle without proper gear in the first place. Or cut their pay and benefits cut from the same man who promised to give them more...so who's not supporting who here?

~I know most of us are Americans and wish the best for our families, our country, and our world. I also know that it's possible to mean well and still be wrong.~

You got that right.

~But not nearly as much fun as freaking out and flinging shit at every possible opportunity, real or imagined. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Won't someone take the high road?
Special Ed | Email | Homepage | 12.17.04 - 5:12 pm~

You imply that we're a bunch of hypocrites that don't want to support the troops and want to see a bunch of teenagers get abortions, and you put out a call for "the high road"? Does the word "hypocrisy" mean ANYTHING to you? Or does it just apply to people who are not like yourself?
Witch | 12.18.04 - 6:11 pm | #

"Bill O'Reilly --- [in no particular order]
1) Liar
2) Coward
3) Pompous Windbag
4) Fascist
5) Crybaby ("He insulted me! I'm gonna sue him!!")
6) Hypocrite
7) Pervert

Did I forget any?"

Yes you forgot wanker. Literally and figuratively it would seem based on his recent lawsuit.
Sentenza | Homepage | 12.18.04 - 7:26 pm | #

"You don’t see prominent conservatives cursing..."

In what kind of a freeper, rightwing nutjob dream-world would Chevy Chase be a prominent liberal?
Count Asterisk | 12.19.04 - 1:08 am | #

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