I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist!!
frist!!
Amen. And Happy Festivus.
Amen. And Happy Festivus.
Good Solstice!
Good Solstice!
Heck, in the malls around here, the "Holiday Season" started about a week before Halloween. :p
Heck, in the malls around here, the "Holiday Season" started about a week before Halloween. :p
check out discussion between o'reilly and minister joel osteen
at this modern world (tom tommorrow)
check out discussion between o'reilly and minister joel osteen
at this modern world (tom tommorrow)
Fundie fever's at the boiling stage.
"Happy Holidays" really enrage.
Fiendish libruls run wild.
Christmas balls are defiled.
"Season's Greetings" won't even assuage.
Fundie fever's at the boiling stage.
"Happy Holidays" really enrage.
Fiendish libruls run wild.
Christmas balls are defiled.
"Season's Greetings" won't even assuage.
Baby Jesus wants falafel.
Baby Jesus wants falafel.
Yeah, it's like keepingthe Xmas lights up until March...
Yeah, it's like keepingthe Xmas lights up until March...
Enjoy the Saturnalia.
Enjoy the Saturnalia.
You'd think the oh-so-Catholic O'Reilly would know that it's NOT Christmas yet -- it's Advent. You know, that time of solemn contemplation of the miracle of Jesus' birth? Remembering how the world longed for its savior for thousands of years? Pink and purple candles set in the Advent wreath? Remember that stuff, Bill?
Why does O'Reilly want to skip straight to the fun of Christmas and pretend that Advent doesn't even exist? What kind of Catholic is he?
(I know -- a really crappy one. But somebody should remind him what Sister Mary Theresa would have told him in Catholic school. And then whack him on the hand with a ruler just like she used to.)
You'd think the oh-so-Catholic O'Reilly would know that it's NOT Christmas yet -- it's Advent. You know, that time of solemn contemplation of the miracle of Jesus' birth? Remembering how the world longed for its savior for thousands of years? Pink and purple candles set in the Advent wreath? Remember that stuff, Bill?
Why does O'Reilly want to skip straight to the fun of Christmas and pretend that Advent doesn't even exist? What kind of Catholic is he?
(I know -- a really crappy one. But somebody should remind him what Sister Mary Theresa would have told him in Catholic school. And then whack him on the hand with a ruler just like she used to.)
I like to say "Happy Macy's."
I like to say "Happy Macy's."
How about Happy ADvent?
How about Happy ADvent?
"Good Will Toward All" seems the best thing to say, to me.
"Good Will Toward All" seems the best thing to say, to me.
calm down A. you is right as par for the course.
calm down A. you is right as par for the course.
Yeah, it's like keepingthe Xmas lights up until March...
I did once leave my (plastic) Christmas tree up until April, but that was because of my extreme laziness, not any religious fervor. And my boyfriend has made me solemnly promise to never, ever do it again.
Yeah, it's like keepingthe Xmas lights up until March...
I did once leave my (plastic) Christmas tree up until April, but that was because of my extreme laziness, not any religious fervor. And my boyfriend has made me solemnly promise to never, ever do it again.
When the whole thing started I just assumed this was NewsCorps way of punishing Macy's for failing to purchase advertising in the NY Post, and I am not sure but what that might be part of it.
But mostly I think it is a cynical attempt to get people riled up and not pay attention to Iraq and Social Security.
When the whole thing started I just assumed this was NewsCorps way of punishing Macy's for failing to purchase advertising in the NY Post, and I am not sure but what that might be part of it.
But mostly I think it is a cynical attempt to get people riled up and not pay attention to Iraq and Social Security.
Canadian Thanksgiving is mid-October, and Chinese New Year is February 9.
And I could have sworn I saw Christmas garbage in the stores before Halloween.
I just try to ignore it all.
Canadian Thanksgiving is mid-October, and Chinese New Year is February 9.
And I could have sworn I saw Christmas garbage in the stores before Halloween.
I just try to ignore it all.
I had always intended "Happy Holidays" to include Christmas and New Years . . . basically shorthand for "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year." I had no idea this meant I was some anti-Papist, wikken, necromancer.
I had always intended "Happy Holidays" to include Christmas and New Years . . . basically shorthand for "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year." I had no idea this meant I was some anti-Papist, wikken, necromancer.
Enjoy the Saturnalia.
Enjoy the Saturnalia.
Argh!
Argh!
Enjoy the Saturnalia.
A not-so-subtle plug for year-end savings at your local Saturn dealer!
Enjoy the Saturnalia.
A not-so-subtle plug for year-end savings at your local Saturn dealer!
And completely off-topic, but for the folks like NYMary who like those "great name for a band" threads, I just saw a good one in our local listings: Al Qaida Rejects.
Oh, and I've also just heard about two death metal bands with interesting "concepts"...Caninus, who have a pair of pitbulls on vocals, and Hatebeak, featuring Waldo the Congo African Grey parrot on vocals...having greys myself, I can definitely say - "Beaks of Vengeance" indeed!
Happy Holidays, all!
And completely off-topic, but for the folks like NYMary who like those "great name for a band" threads, I just saw a good one in our local listings: Al Qaida Rejects.
Oh, and I've also just heard about two death metal bands with interesting "concepts"...Caninus, who have a pair of pitbulls on vocals, and Hatebeak, featuring Waldo the Congo African Grey parrot on vocals...having greys myself, I can definitely say - "Beaks of Vengeance" indeed!
Happy Holidays, all!
But somebody should remind him what Sister Mary Theresa would have told him in Catholic school. And then whack him on the hand with a ruler just like she used to.
you know, his whole problem might just be not enough time with Sister Mary Therese in the classroom, and too much time with Father in the sacristy.
But somebody should remind him what Sister Mary Theresa would have told him in Catholic school. And then whack him on the hand with a ruler just like she used to.
you know, his whole problem might just be not enough time with Sister Mary Therese in the classroom, and too much time with Father in the sacristy.
Merry Kwaanukkahristmolstice.
(and i agree--do people say "Happy Mother's Day" to everyone they see on the street all through May?)
soon, there will only be one accepted greeting, and everyone will have to say it all the time to everyone they say all year--and i fear it will sound a lot like the one Atwood used in The Handmaid's Tale...
Blessed by the Fruit,
Librarian
Merry Kwaanukkahristmolstice.
(and i agree--do people say "Happy Mother's Day" to everyone they see on the street all through May?)
soon, there will only be one accepted greeting, and everyone will have to say it all the time to everyone they say all year--and i fear it will sound a lot like the one Atwood used in The Handmaid's Tale...
Blessed by the Fruit,
Librarian
Leave it to the wingnuts to turn "Merry Christmas" from a warm greeting to a snarling challenge.
Leave it to the wingnuts to turn "Merry Christmas" from a warm greeting to a snarling challenge.
I went to a few stores before Halloween and expected to be surrounded by Halloween type decorations. Nope. Not Even Thanksgiving. That's right. October 26; and everything was Xmas this and Xmas that. I say we just all take a vacation from St Michael's Day to New Year's Day. Make it one big three month holiday.
Happy Holidays!
I went to a few stores before Halloween and expected to be surrounded by Halloween type decorations. Nope. Not Even Thanksgiving. That's right. October 26; and everything was Xmas this and Xmas that. I say we just all take a vacation from St Michael's Day to New Year's Day. Make it one big three month holiday.
Happy Holidays!
You know which ad really pisses me off? The "buy your loved one a Jaguar".
Who ARE these people?
You know which ad really pisses me off? The "buy your loved one a Jaguar".
Who ARE these people?
Merry Fucking Christmas. Enjoy it, considering what Bush is doing to the economy, next year might not be so merry.
Merry Fucking Christmas. Enjoy it, considering what Bush is doing to the economy, next year might not be so merry.
july 4 will now be known as independmas day, the day baby jesus
signed the declaration after single handedly defeating britain
july 4 will now be known as independmas day, the day baby jesus
signed the declaration after single handedly defeating britain
America is a Christian nation, 76% or so anyway. How the hell is it that such an overwhelming majority can be so treatened? And so hatefull? And so overwhelmingly uninformed? We have every right to practice our religions in any way we please. We are also protected from having religion imposed upon us.
If Macy's chooses not to wish you a Merry Christmas, it's for the sake of commerce, not faith. Jesus has become the savior of 4th quarter profits - this is no longer a "holy day" and the Christers need to understand why that is, and stop blaming "liberals".
The Right should practice Christianity in thier hearts, homes and churches. The Left should let them. The Government should to stay hell out of it.
America is a Christian nation, 76% or so anyway. How the hell is it that such an overwhelming majority can be so treatened? And so hatefull? And so overwhelmingly uninformed? We have every right to practice our religions in any way we please. We are also protected from having religion imposed upon us.
If Macy's chooses not to wish you a Merry Christmas, it's for the sake of commerce, not faith. Jesus has become the savior of 4th quarter profits - this is no longer a "holy day" and the Christers need to understand why that is, and stop blaming "liberals".
The Right should practice Christianity in thier hearts, homes and churches. The Left should let them. The Government should to stay hell out of it.
"Merry F. Christmas."
"Merry F. Christmas."
Aye, aye, aye it's Christmas and I don't know what to do!
Aye, aye, aye it's Christmas and I don't know what to do!
Let's just say Happy Easter on Ash Wednesday...
Let's just say Happy Easter on Ash Wednesday...
Anna Quindlen has a very nice article in this week's Newsweek admonishing those who take offense at "Happy Holidays"--and she reminds these idiots that Christians are far, far from persecuted in this country. I think I am going to cut it out and send it to Father O'Reilly.
I always say "Enjoy the holidays" if I even say anything. I definitely wait for the actual day to say Merry Christmas.
This is so stupid. Hate fest, indeed.
Anna Quindlen has a very nice article in this week's Newsweek admonishing those who take offense at "Happy Holidays"--and she reminds these idiots that Christians are far, far from persecuted in this country. I think I am going to cut it out and send it to Father O'Reilly.
I always say "Enjoy the holidays" if I even say anything. I definitely wait for the actual day to say Merry Christmas.
This is so stupid. Hate fest, indeed.
"Transform the holiday season into a hatefest."
Pope O'Reilly is correcting the translation of the New Testament. The original was done by liberals, and they twisted the text. Here's Bill's version of one passage:
"For God so hated the Jews and non-believers that he gave his only begotten son . . ."
"Transform the holiday season into a hatefest."
Pope O'Reilly is correcting the translation of the New Testament. The original was done by liberals, and they twisted the text. Here's Bill's version of one passage:
"For God so hated the Jews and non-believers that he gave his only begotten son . . ."
You know which ad really pisses me off? The "buy your loved one a Jaguar".
Who ARE these people?
watertiger
I don't know. I'm not part of that class of people. Hell, I'd be happy with a remote control matchbox car.
You know which ad really pisses me off? The "buy your loved one a Jaguar".
Who ARE these people?
watertiger
I don't know. I'm not part of that class of people. Hell, I'd be happy with a remote control matchbox car.
These swaddling clothes are as hot as hell.
Hey, and what's with that barnyardish smell?
Virgin births are all right
If you like it real tight.
Christ, can't they swing a fucking motel?
These swaddling clothes are as hot as hell.
Hey, and what's with that barnyardish smell?
Virgin births are all right
If you like it real tight.
Christ, can't they swing a fucking motel?
Even CNN last night with Kitty Pilgrim filling in for Lou Knobbs was pushing the whole "Assault on Christmas" bullshit.
Whenever a guest tells one of these people "well, no one is actually banned from saying anything" they always retort with: "Well, what if it were? Would that be right?"
I mean, what the fuck is that about? People now go on news talk shows to discuss 'what ifs'?
Even CNN last night with Kitty Pilgrim filling in for Lou Knobbs was pushing the whole "Assault on Christmas" bullshit.
Whenever a guest tells one of these people "well, no one is actually banned from saying anything" they always retort with: "Well, what if it were? Would that be right?"
I mean, what the fuck is that about? People now go on news talk shows to discuss 'what ifs'?
O'Reilly says, "Happy Holidays!" over the phone, but he won't release the tapes.
O'Reilly says, "Happy Holidays!" over the phone, but he won't release the tapes.
So why is it that the schools in Plano, Texas, a very conservative town, are banning the kids from wearing red and green to the school holiday party?
I'm really confused. I thought the liberals were the ones to be accused of political correctness.
Who's the enemy here, besides the baby Jebus?
So why is it that the schools in Plano, Texas, a very conservative town, are banning the kids from wearing red and green to the school holiday party?
I'm really confused. I thought the liberals were the ones to be accused of political correctness.
Who's the enemy here, besides the baby Jebus?
My rules are that there is to be nothing about christmas until after thanksgiving. But, as many here have already pointed out, stores are starting to put up christmas stuff before haloween.
Hey right wing christanjudeofacists, there's your assault on christmas...corporations looking to make money! What would Jesus endorse?
(OT, but I just wanted to make up a word as stupid & non-sensical as "islamofacists". For some reason, that word is really bugging me today!)
My rules are that there is to be nothing about christmas until after thanksgiving. But, as many here have already pointed out, stores are starting to put up christmas stuff before haloween.
Hey right wing christanjudeofacists, there's your assault on christmas...corporations looking to make money! What would Jesus endorse?
(OT, but I just wanted to make up a word as stupid & non-sensical as "islamofacists". For some reason, that word is really bugging me today!)
[i]Yeah, it's like keepingthe Xmas lights up until March...[/i]
Actually, my indoor lights are so cool this year that I may just leave them up permanently!
(Assuming I ever make it back from Toronto ...)
[i]Yeah, it's like keepingthe Xmas lights up until March...[/i]
Actually, my indoor lights are so cool this year that I may just leave them up permanently!
(Assuming I ever make it back from Toronto ...)
As crazy as they are, the wingnuts tend to take the long view, so I'm inclined to believe that all this nonsense is not so much about Christmas specifically as it is about redefining the word "secular" into something that sounds crazy and evil... after all, look how well that worked for "liberal." I've noticed O'Reilly pounding on "secular" with much diligence.
tb
As crazy as they are, the wingnuts tend to take the long view, so I'm inclined to believe that all this nonsense is not so much about Christmas specifically as it is about redefining the word "secular" into something that sounds crazy and evil... after all, look how well that worked for "liberal." I've noticed O'Reilly pounding on "secular" with much diligence.
tb
Most of the Right's arguments about the 'Merry Christmas'-'Happy Holidays' thing rely on the idea that it is THEIR celebration of Jesus being born on Dec 25th. In reality, this date wasn't chosen until the 4th century, to correspond with the older winter solstice celebrations.
So not only is their argument silly, it's wrong.
Most of the Right's arguments about the 'Merry Christmas'-'Happy Holidays' thing rely on the idea that it is THEIR celebration of Jesus being born on Dec 25th. In reality, this date wasn't chosen until the 4th century, to correspond with the older winter solstice celebrations.
So not only is their argument silly, it's wrong.
Even CNN last night with Kitty Pilgrim filling in for Lou Knobbs was pushing the whole "Assault on Christmas" bullshit.
Again, this morning, as well. Soledad and Bill were dishing up the Happy Holidays vs. Merry Christmas bullshit for our viewing pleasure.
This really is nothing more than a talking point ~ and a stupid one, at that. What bothers me is that the media is so very owned by corporate America that they feel they must follow the talking points. The Fourth Estate is in dire need of a new foundation.
Even CNN last night with Kitty Pilgrim filling in for Lou Knobbs was pushing the whole "Assault on Christmas" bullshit.
Again, this morning, as well. Soledad and Bill were dishing up the Happy Holidays vs. Merry Christmas bullshit for our viewing pleasure.
This really is nothing more than a talking point ~ and a stupid one, at that. What bothers me is that the media is so very owned by corporate America that they feel they must follow the talking points. The Fourth Estate is in dire need of a new foundation.
Despite the right wing, Christian religious nut provocations, being against a Merry Christmas is not a good theme for progressives to play. Its traditional & 90% of the country accepts it. Better to play off it - doing good works, the plight of the poor, helping the neediest, we're too commercial a society etc. etc.
Despite the right wing, Christian religious nut provocations, being against a Merry Christmas is not a good theme for progressives to play. Its traditional & 90% of the country accepts it. Better to play off it - doing good works, the plight of the poor, helping the neediest, we're too commercial a society etc. etc.
I have no fucking idea what red and green symbolize when it comes to Christmas, but I have the feeling it's something pagan and not Christian...Maybe Plano figured it was something more sinister.
By the way, in the ecumenical spirit of taking commerce out of Christmas, my loved one is free to buy me a Jaguar anytime of year.
I have no fucking idea what red and green symbolize when it comes to Christmas, but I have the feeling it's something pagan and not Christian...Maybe Plano figured it was something more sinister.
By the way, in the ecumenical spirit of taking commerce out of Christmas, my loved one is free to buy me a Jaguar anytime of year.
As crazy as they are, the wingnuts tend to take the long view, so I'm inclined to believe that all this nonsense is not so much about Christmas specifically as it is about redefining the word "secular" into something that sounds crazy and evil...
That's exactly right. That's the meme. Secular = librul, unamurkan, terraistic...
As crazy as they are, the wingnuts tend to take the long view, so I'm inclined to believe that all this nonsense is not so much about Christmas specifically as it is about redefining the word "secular" into something that sounds crazy and evil...
That's exactly right. That's the meme. Secular = librul, unamurkan, terraistic...
I hate Christmas too.
I hate Christmas too.
Whatever one calls it, the Right has certainly managed to take the joy and decency out of it and replaced it with their evil.
I gave our postman twenty bucks in a card last week. Yesterday he put in our postbox a nondenominatinal type post office card saying thank you, etc. and happy holidays I believe. But the thing that screwed the Christmas goose for me was that he had personalized it with a big black cross sticker stuck on it.
Now I don't believe for a moment that Jesus intended for everybody to get depressed thinking about crucifiction, pain, thorns, blood, Roman soldiers, and the CROSS, dammit! Just because he and the rest of the right are obsessed with suffering and death, is no reason why I should be. That is the last twenty bucks that asshole ever gets out of me. Next year I will get a blank index card, draw picture of a great dark black cross and suggest to him where he might place it.
I don't like his message and I think he likely did that because I had John Kerry signs out during the election. What a bunch of arrogant nasty fuckers they are!
Whatever one calls it, the Right has certainly managed to take the joy and decency out of it and replaced it with their evil.
I gave our postman twenty bucks in a card last week. Yesterday he put in our postbox a nondenominatinal type post office card saying thank you, etc. and happy holidays I believe. But the thing that screwed the Christmas goose for me was that he had personalized it with a big black cross sticker stuck on it.
Now I don't believe for a moment that Jesus intended for everybody to get depressed thinking about crucifiction, pain, thorns, blood, Roman soldiers, and the CROSS, dammit! Just because he and the rest of the right are obsessed with suffering and death, is no reason why I should be. That is the last twenty bucks that asshole ever gets out of me. Next year I will get a blank index card, draw picture of a great dark black cross and suggest to him where he might place it.
I don't like his message and I think he likely did that because I had John Kerry signs out during the election. What a bunch of arrogant nasty fuckers they are!
Such good comments...I've missed you all...course the fuss is all because of O'Lielly's massive ego...he hasn't been noticed enough lately apparently! Such a great poster boy for "saving Christianity"...they must be more desperate than I thought...maybe GOD has stopped talking to BUSH and Robertson so he can direct Bill...and I'm thinking more and more that I don't need a God who communes with any of them.
Such good comments...I've missed you all...course the fuss is all because of O'Lielly's massive ego...he hasn't been noticed enough lately apparently! Such a great poster boy for "saving Christianity"...they must be more desperate than I thought...maybe GOD has stopped talking to BUSH and Robertson so he can direct Bill...and I'm thinking more and more that I don't need a God who communes with any of them.
I have never actually heard either the O'Rielly or the Limbaugh programs. I'm a lucky guy.
I have never actually heard either the O'Rielly or the Limbaugh programs. I'm a lucky guy.
being against a Merry Christmas is not a good theme for progressives to play. Its traditional & 90% of the country accepts it. Better to play off it - doing good works, the plight of the poor, helping the neediest, we're too commercial a society etc. etc.
some of us are not playing roles or calculating our behavior for political effect.
being against a Merry Christmas is not a good theme for progressives to play. Its traditional & 90% of the country accepts it. Better to play off it - doing good works, the plight of the poor, helping the neediest, we're too commercial a society etc. etc.
some of us are not playing roles or calculating our behavior for political effect.
A merry grimble to all!
A merry grimble to all!
Great analysis there. They can spin hate out of fucking anything. They suck.
Happy Holidays!
Great analysis there. They can spin hate out of fucking anything. They suck.
Happy Holidays!
As a matter of fact, I hate Christianity just like you people.
As a matter of fact, I hate Christianity just like you people.
The holiday season is no longer thanksgiving through New Year's. I remember a time when it was considered gauche to put up xmas displays before thanksgiving. But now I see displays going up in stores right after haloween. And you won't see most people's xmas stuff come down until well into the middle of January. So that makes xmas season about 3 months long. How long until it's 12 months long, and therefore meaningless?
Am I the only person who fondly recalls the energy crisis of the Ford administration era, when people were asked not to put up xmas lights to save energy?
The holiday season is no longer thanksgiving through New Year's. I remember a time when it was considered gauche to put up xmas displays before thanksgiving. But now I see displays going up in stores right after haloween. And you won't see most people's xmas stuff come down until well into the middle of January. So that makes xmas season about 3 months long. How long until it's 12 months long, and therefore meaningless?
Am I the only person who fondly recalls the energy crisis of the Ford administration era, when people were asked not to put up xmas lights to save energy?
I don't care for any kind of organized religion, but I still say Merry Xmas. Mainly because Happy Holidays sounds so phoney. Then again I don't go around spouting it...just when I don't expect to see that person any other time before the day itself.
I don't care for any kind of organized religion, but I still say Merry Xmas. Mainly because Happy Holidays sounds so phoney. Then again I don't go around spouting it...just when I don't expect to see that person any other time before the day itself.
Hate to say this, but according to my Mum, the 'holiday season' was that period of time defined as from the second weekend of December up til 6 January - which is to say a Christmas card mailed by 6 January still counted as not late. Anything before that was too early and pretentious. Four weekends was plenty. Anything after that was very much too late. Which is really good, since I haven't actually bought any Christmas cards yet, although I put up some lights yesterday, and tomorrow morning will give out the traditional, overly-sweet baked goods, 'cause I don't live in Alta any more and can't wait til Boxing Day. Happy Christmas!
Hate to say this, but according to my Mum, the 'holiday season' was that period of time defined as from the second weekend of December up til 6 January - which is to say a Christmas card mailed by 6 January still counted as not late. Anything before that was too early and pretentious. Four weekends was plenty. Anything after that was very much too late. Which is really good, since I haven't actually bought any Christmas cards yet, although I put up some lights yesterday, and tomorrow morning will give out the traditional, overly-sweet baked goods, 'cause I don't live in Alta any more and can't wait til Boxing Day. Happy Christmas!
i think there should be a constitutional ammendment that all americans must give large brightly-wrpped gifts to o'reilly each day of the month of december.
i think there should be a constitutional ammendment that all americans must give large brightly-wrpped gifts to o'reilly each day of the month of december.
Peace (or Peas) on Earth.
Peace (or Peas) on Earth.
Carter: that's precisely what we're on about. BUT - it's not getting out because of this ridiculous O'Reillian bile.
Carter: that's precisely what we're on about. BUT - it's not getting out because of this ridiculous O'Reillian bile.
I've decided that from now on, I'm going to say, "Hey, how's it going?'
I've decided that from now on, I'm going to say, "Hey, how's it going?'
I also hate Jews.
Again, just like you people.
I also hate Jews.
Again, just like you people.
People will not listen to what they don't want to hear. That's why the "news" media fail to cover the news - ad executives don't pay for spots on shows that offend their customers.
So there is no coverage of the poor, the real Iraq, election fraud, corporate crime, the environment. Scott Peterson get time, the War On Christmas gets time, cloned cats get time.
Insane acts of the Hate Filled Right get no coverage - people don't want to hear.
People will not listen to what they don't want to hear. That's why the "news" media fail to cover the news - ad executives don't pay for spots on shows that offend their customers.
So there is no coverage of the poor, the real Iraq, election fraud, corporate crime, the environment. Scott Peterson get time, the War On Christmas gets time, cloned cats get time.
Insane acts of the Hate Filled Right get no coverage - people don't want to hear.
By the way, isn't "Holidays" a contraction for "holy days" anyway?
So, the faux fight is between those who are particular to the Holy Season (from the Advent to the 12 days of Christmas, through Jan. 6th) and those looking to single out Christ's Birthday.
Holy fucking Christ. Powerful stupid.
By the way, isn't "Holidays" a contraction for "holy days" anyway?
So, the faux fight is between those who are particular to the Holy Season (from the Advent to the 12 days of Christmas, through Jan. 6th) and those looking to single out Christ's Birthday.
Holy fucking Christ. Powerful stupid.
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"i didnt know whether to say MERRY CHRISTMAS or HAPPY HOLIDAYS ....
... so i just said PISS OFF, YA SAD TWAT!!!"
"i didnt know whether to say MERRY CHRISTMAS or HAPPY HOLIDAYS ....
... so i just said PISS OFF, YA SAD TWAT!!!"
So why is it that the schools in Plano, Texas, a very conservative town, are banning the kids from wearing red and green to the school holiday party?
I dunno, could be gang colors down there.
So why is it that the schools in Plano, Texas, a very conservative town, are banning the kids from wearing red and green to the school holiday party?
I dunno, could be gang colors down there.
So what's wrong with not offending people? And how can one be "overly" inclusive to people of all faiths (or no faith)?
Geez Atrios, you're sounding needlessly defensive here. Please don't wish me a Merry Christmas, because I'm not a Christian and I don't believe in Christ, okay?
Thank you very much.
So what's wrong with not offending people? And how can one be "overly" inclusive to people of all faiths (or no faith)?
Geez Atrios, you're sounding needlessly defensive here. Please don't wish me a Merry Christmas, because I'm not a Christian and I don't believe in Christ, okay?
Thank you very much.
You want an assault on Christmas?
Here in Lubbock, they've taken down the Christmas displays and clearanced out the Christmas merchandise.
They were putting up VALENTINE'S DAY merchandise this weekend.
You want an assault on Christmas?
Here in Lubbock, they've taken down the Christmas displays and clearanced out the Christmas merchandise.
They were putting up VALENTINE'S DAY merchandise this weekend.
It's a word, "christmas" I treat it as a totally secular holiday because I don't believe in God and subverting your intellect and character to the control of deluded people who believe in fairy tales.
But I say Merry Fucking Christmas all the fucking time, except at work, or around my kids...
It's a word, "christmas" I treat it as a totally secular holiday because I don't believe in God and subverting your intellect and character to the control of deluded people who believe in fairy tales.
But I say Merry Fucking Christmas all the fucking time, except at work, or around my kids...
Vicki,
At this point, the Fourth Estate is more like the Fourth Double-wide.
Vicki,
At this point, the Fourth Estate is more like the Fourth Double-wide.
The fundies have been making this argument for YEARS, O'Reilly just now realized it would be a good talking point for all the morons that listen to him. For example, I can remember getting severely punished for making a christmas card at school for my fundie mom that included the phrase "merry xmas." It's really just another variation of the prayer in school argument. They will not rest until we admit, at gunpoint if need be, that this nation is a christian nation, goddammit.
The fundies have been making this argument for YEARS, O'Reilly just now realized it would be a good talking point for all the morons that listen to him. For example, I can remember getting severely punished for making a christmas card at school for my fundie mom that included the phrase "merry xmas." It's really just another variation of the prayer in school argument. They will not rest until we admit, at gunpoint if need be, that this nation is a christian nation, goddammit.
I love Leftwing Loons though.
They are my allies.
I love Leftwing Loons though.
They are my allies.
Please note that the correct term is "HOLIDAY SHOPPING SEASON" and it runs from Thanksgiving through Christmas Eve.
Please note that the correct term is "HOLIDAY SHOPPING SEASON" and it runs from Thanksgiving through Christmas Eve.
For the restofus.
The airing of grievances.
Feats of strength.
For the restofus.
The airing of grievances.
Feats of strength.
watertiger,
soon to be the Fourth Fishbowl.
watertiger,
soon to be the Fourth Fishbowl.
i think tb is onto something.
ever have the misfortune of seeing Pat Robertson or James Dobson say the phrase (which one of them MADE UP in the first place, i might add,) "Secular Humanist"?
their whole faces screw up and turn red, spit comes from their lips, and they nearly snarl the words, while somehow also using a mocking tone of voice.
those televangelicals have been pounding that bugaboo for decades..."Secular Humanists" are behind everything from the hated ACLU and the lesbian ERA, to the jailing of first graders who wanted to silently pray before eating lunch in the school cafeteria in Woebegone, Indiana (if you believe the televangelicals.)
so, no doubt they are ALSO behind this War on Christmas, and are planning to burn all the Xtain bibles, too.
and just who are these "Secular Humanists"?
why, they are anyone who is not part of the accepted spectrum of televangelical Xtianity, but also not easily identified and vilified as being Islamic or Jewish (all other religions just get lumped together as some kind of satan worship--which, BTW, the SECULAR HUMANISTS are trying to teach to your children in public school, you know!)
get used to it.
i wonder what our camp symbol will be?
-Librarian
i think tb is onto something.
ever have the misfortune of seeing Pat Robertson or James Dobson say the phrase (which one of them MADE UP in the first place, i might add,) "Secular Humanist"?
their whole faces screw up and turn red, spit comes from their lips, and they nearly snarl the words, while somehow also using a mocking tone of voice.
those televangelicals have been pounding that bugaboo for decades..."Secular Humanists" are behind everything from the hated ACLU and the lesbian ERA, to the jailing of first graders who wanted to silently pray before eating lunch in the school cafeteria in Woebegone, Indiana (if you believe the televangelicals.)
so, no doubt they are ALSO behind this War on Christmas, and are planning to burn all the Xtain bibles, too.
and just who are these "Secular Humanists"?
why, they are anyone who is not part of the accepted spectrum of televangelical Xtianity, but also not easily identified and vilified as being Islamic or Jewish (all other religions just get lumped together as some kind of satan worship--which, BTW, the SECULAR HUMANISTS are trying to teach to your children in public school, you know!)
get used to it.
i wonder what our camp symbol will be?
-Librarian
Don't forget the pole.
Don't forget the pole.
I've decided that from now on, I'm going to say, "Hey, how's it going?'
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 12:32 pm | #
Stop being so funny or I'm gonna
propose to you again!
I've decided that from now on, I'm going to say, "Hey, how's it going?'
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 12:32 pm | #
Stop being so funny or I'm gonna
propose to you again!
I say "Happy Xmas" because I'm a prick and I think Christmas is stupid.
I say "Happy Xmas" because I'm a prick and I think Christmas is stupid.
Happy fucking holidays has been my standard greeting the past few days at work. I think maybe I need some time off.
Happy fucking holidays has been my standard greeting the past few days at work. I think maybe I need some time off.
I don't want anyone trying to tell me how to celebrate anything. The right wants to dictate every last breath we breathe. They can go fuck themselves. I won't be preached at or guilted for not doing everything their way.
And thank the gods and goddesses that I'm able to get online today. Yesterday I couldn't access the internet all damn day.
Fucking Comcast had better come fix this. They've promised to send a tech out twice and no one has showed up.
I don't want anyone trying to tell me how to celebrate anything. The right wants to dictate every last breath we breathe. They can go fuck themselves. I won't be preached at or guilted for not doing everything their way.
And thank the gods and goddesses that I'm able to get online today. Yesterday I couldn't access the internet all damn day.
Fucking Comcast had better come fix this. They've promised to send a tech out twice and no one has showed up.
Leave it to O'Reilly to denounce something called "humanist."
Leave it to O'Reilly to denounce something called "humanist."
The wingnuts charge that "Happy Holidays" is "politically correct"
They prefer the "religiously correct" "Merry Christmas".
It's all about the hypochrisy, baby.
The wingnuts charge that "Happy Holidays" is "politically correct"
They prefer the "religiously correct" "Merry Christmas".
It's all about the hypochrisy, baby.
Hi, I'm Vicki. A secular humanist. And damned proud of it!
Merry fucking Christmas!
Hi, I'm Vicki. A secular humanist. And damned proud of it!
Merry fucking Christmas!
"I've decided that from now on, I'm going to say, "Hey, how's it going?"
watertiger
Why do you hate Christianity you soulless, radical liberal activist.
"I've decided that from now on, I'm going to say, "Hey, how's it going?"
watertiger
Why do you hate Christianity you soulless, radical liberal activist.
i wonder what our camp symbol will be?
Take your pick:
The peace symbol
The middle finger
The double bars of "equals"
Tinky Winky
i wonder what our camp symbol will be?
Take your pick:
The peace symbol
The middle finger
The double bars of "equals"
Tinky Winky
Or, rather, if you're a heathen like me, say
"Merry Christmas fucking!"
Now that's more like it! Schwing!
Or, rather, if you're a heathen like me, say
"Merry Christmas fucking!"
Now that's more like it! Schwing!
I luv you Atrios.
I luv you Atrios.
I don't like his message and I think he likely did that because I had John Kerry signs out during the election. What a bunch of arrogant nasty fuckers they are!
By global standards, Christianity is undeniably a macabre and bloodthirsty religion (literally so, according to Catholic doctrine). A lot of people find honest profundity and fulfillment in subject matter that could fairly be described as macabre or bizarre.
Before my girlfriend and I got married, we used to get xmas cards from my Southern Baptist aunt hinting that it wasn't too late for us to repent and be saved. I didn't like the message (especially considering that I spent twenty years being born again myself), but I know she meant well.
Anyway, having devotional practices you don't understand doesn't always make someone an arrogant nasty fucker.
I don't like his message and I think he likely did that because I had John Kerry signs out during the election. What a bunch of arrogant nasty fuckers they are!
By global standards, Christianity is undeniably a macabre and bloodthirsty religion (literally so, according to Catholic doctrine). A lot of people find honest profundity and fulfillment in subject matter that could fairly be described as macabre or bizarre.
Before my girlfriend and I got married, we used to get xmas cards from my Southern Baptist aunt hinting that it wasn't too late for us to repent and be saved. I didn't like the message (especially considering that I spent twenty years being born again myself), but I know she meant well.
Anyway, having devotional practices you don't understand doesn't always make someone an arrogant nasty fucker.
Stop being so funny or I'm gonna
propose to you again!
steve simels
(in Don Adams voice) Fourth time this week!
And, hey Tena! We missed you!
Stop being so funny or I'm gonna
propose to you again!
steve simels
(in Don Adams voice) Fourth time this week!
And, hey Tena! We missed you!
For those who haven't checked this out already, it's kick-ass!
Church of Reality
(He could use a copy editor, though.)
For those who haven't checked this out already, it's kick-ass!
Church of Reality
(He could use a copy editor, though.)
I even think it may be what the baby Jesus would want, though I'll have to check with Pope O'Reilly I.
Sorry, Atrios, but the baby J is too busy weeping over the Passion of the Asschapeau Rant-Show Host to vouchsafe what He would want.
And my special holiday greeting for trolls, especially those who pretend to know what I think: you're making the saints cry, you know.
I even think it may be what the baby Jesus would want, though I'll have to check with Pope O'Reilly I.
Sorry, Atrios, but the baby J is too busy weeping over the Passion of the Asschapeau Rant-Show Host to vouchsafe what He would want.
And my special holiday greeting for trolls, especially those who pretend to know what I think: you're making the saints cry, you know.
Why does anyone have to say anything to anyone?
Just shut up and leave me alone!
Unless I get lost and need directions, then you may speak.
Why does anyone have to say anything to anyone?
Just shut up and leave me alone!
Unless I get lost and need directions, then you may speak.
Oh, yeah, merry christmas fucking. I like the sound of that. but what with krsaz and everyone else, you're probably all booked up...
Oh, yeah, merry christmas fucking. I like the sound of that. but what with krsaz and everyone else, you're probably all booked up...
Their was a cashier that worked at the supermarket in my town that would say "God bless you" instead of "thank you" when handing me my receipt. I complained to the store manager several times, as did a friend of mine. I don't know if they got rid of him over it, but he's not working there anymore.
Their was a cashier that worked at the supermarket in my town that would say "God bless you" instead of "thank you" when handing me my receipt. I complained to the store manager several times, as did a friend of mine. I don't know if they got rid of him over it, but he's not working there anymore.
">Yule, bitches!
">Yule, bitches!
Vicki:
Happy Secular Humanist Day is in May.
Saturday we celebrate the birth of baby Santa.
Vicki:
Happy Secular Humanist Day is in May.
Saturday we celebrate the birth of baby Santa.
Why do you hate Christianity you soulless, radical liberal activist.
You forgot "female," one of the most derogatory of the fundies' name-calling.
Why do you hate Christianity you soulless, radical liberal activist.
You forgot "female," one of the most derogatory of the fundies' name-calling.
Saturday we celebrate the birth of baby Santa.
It's a miracle they ever got him down from that giant fir.
Saturday we celebrate the birth of baby Santa.
It's a miracle they ever got him down from that giant fir.
If somebody takes offense when you say "Happy Holidays", I'd say it's not your problem.
And to think, O'Reilly if breathing our air. What a waste.
If somebody takes offense when you say "Happy Holidays", I'd say it's not your problem.
And to think, O'Reilly if breathing our air. What a waste.
I love Mythmas and all other days I do not have to work, but still get paid.
I love Mythmas and all other days I do not have to work, but still get paid.
My favorite holiday is still
shavuous, and I don't even know
what it is.
My favorite holiday is still
shavuous, and I don't even know
what it is.
Tena is a rich sell-out against the proletariat.
Tena is a rich sell-out against the proletariat.
being against a Merry Christmas is not a good theme for progressives to play. Its traditional & 90% of the country accepts it.
Do I need to go on my unsympathetic atheist's rant again?
I'm not so drugged out right now that I can't.
being against a Merry Christmas is not a good theme for progressives to play. Its traditional & 90% of the country accepts it.
Do I need to go on my unsympathetic atheist's rant again?
I'm not so drugged out right now that I can't.
Fucking Comcast had better come fix this. They've promised to send a tech out twice and no one has showed up.
Make sure they send the right tech. The TV guy will be NFG at diagnosing your cable modem problem.
I had a bitch of a problem with a Comcast cable modem once. High packet loss for five or six months on end, with the side effect that I couldn't listen to the radio anywhere within fifty feet of the house.
Turned out that the cable ground strap wasn't attached at the building entrance. TV works fine under those conditions, cable modem rolls over and pukes.
They brought me five new cable modems before they figured it out.
Fucking Comcast had better come fix this. They've promised to send a tech out twice and no one has showed up.
Make sure they send the right tech. The TV guy will be NFG at diagnosing your cable modem problem.
I had a bitch of a problem with a Comcast cable modem once. High packet loss for five or six months on end, with the side effect that I couldn't listen to the radio anywhere within fifty feet of the house.
Turned out that the cable ground strap wasn't attached at the building entrance. TV works fine under those conditions, cable modem rolls over and pukes.
They brought me five new cable modems before they figured it out.
Unfortunately, we can't ask baby Jesus, as he's been weeping over the defamation being hurled at poor Bill O'Lielly. Because, ya know, Jesus doesn't have anything else to weep about. I mean babies with AIDS, starving children, Iraqi civilians killed and maimed by our bombs, none of that compares to poor Bill's travails.
The O'Lielly Fuktor, indeed.
Unfortunately, we can't ask baby Jesus, as he's been weeping over the defamation being hurled at poor Bill O'Lielly. Because, ya know, Jesus doesn't have anything else to weep about. I mean babies with AIDS, starving children, Iraqi civilians killed and maimed by our bombs, none of that compares to poor Bill's travails.
The O'Lielly Fuktor, indeed.
watertiger - Thanks, I missed y'all too. But I did finish wrapping, and I probably wouldn't have if I had been able to get online.
It was a perfect day to wrap - it snowed most of the day.
Not enough to build a snowman, but it was beautiful just the same.
watertiger - Thanks, I missed y'all too. But I did finish wrapping, and I probably wouldn't have if I had been able to get online.
It was a perfect day to wrap - it snowed most of the day.
Not enough to build a snowman, but it was beautiful just the same.
It's a little bit inappropriate to be Merry on Christmas anyway, since one of the consequences of the blessed event was that Herod slaughtered all the babies in Judea. Funny how God couldn't see that coming . . .
It's a little bit inappropriate to be Merry on Christmas anyway, since one of the consequences of the blessed event was that Herod slaughtered all the babies in Judea. Funny how God couldn't see that coming . . .
We have our very own name stealer at 12:44 PM.
Stupid Troll, this is for you:
coal
We have our very own name stealer at 12:44 PM.
Stupid Troll, this is for you:
coal
TJ and Vicki,
that's a nice twist on "Praise God fasting!"
TJ and Vicki,
that's a nice twist on "Praise God fasting!"
Talking about Christmas, this is just too fucking funny!
By SARA KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer
BARTOW, Fla. - When a church group put a nativity scene on public property, officials warned it might open the door to other religious — and not-so-religious — displays. They were right.
Since the nativity was erected in Polk County, displays have gone up honoring Zoroastrianism and the fake holiday Festivus, featured on the TV show "Seinfeld."
Talking about Christmas, this is just too fucking funny!
By SARA KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer
BARTOW, Fla. - When a church group put a nativity scene on public property, officials warned it might open the door to other religious — and not-so-religious — displays. They were right.
Since the nativity was erected in Polk County, displays have gone up honoring Zoroastrianism and the fake holiday Festivus, featured on the TV show "Seinfeld."
Happy Holidays
Happy Holidays, well the christmas bells are ringing, happy holidays to you...
It's a goddamn Christmas song, and suddenly it's offensive to Christians.
Here's my response to anyone who gives me a Christmas greeting:
"Merry Christmas"
"Fuck you"
"Happy Holidays"
"Fuck off and die"
"Happy New Year"
"Eat shit, what's happy about it?"
This whole stupid argument is a straw man creation by the right wing.
Happy Holidays
Happy Holidays, well the christmas bells are ringing, happy holidays to you...
It's a goddamn Christmas song, and suddenly it's offensive to Christians.
Here's my response to anyone who gives me a Christmas greeting:
"Merry Christmas"
"Fuck you"
"Happy Holidays"
"Fuck off and die"
"Happy New Year"
"Eat shit, what's happy about it?"
This whole stupid argument is a straw man creation by the right wing.
The irony is, Christmas became a secular holiday in the US the moment the federal government declared it as such and allowed people to take the day off with pay.
The US government made it a holiday to concede the fact that most Americans were celebrating it anyway, just like the early Roman Church set up a holy day called "Christmas" for Dec. 25 in concession to the fact that most of their followers were still celebrating Saturnalia.
Irony upon irony.
It occurs to me that all this is a direct result of having too much leisure time.
Instead of working, hard, we are decorating, and shopping, and wishing each other "Happy" whatever.
Let's dig a hole or something - just stay busy and this will all go away.
The irony is, Christmas became a secular holiday in the US the moment the federal government declared it as such and allowed people to take the day off with pay.
The US government made it a holiday to concede the fact that most Americans were celebrating it anyway, just like the early Roman Church set up a holy day called "Christmas" for Dec. 25 in concession to the fact that most of their followers were still celebrating Saturnalia.
Irony upon irony.
It occurs to me that all this is a direct result of having too much leisure time.
Instead of working, hard, we are decorating, and shopping, and wishing each other "Happy" whatever.
Let's dig a hole or something - just stay busy and this will all go away.
O'Reilly is the pope? Man, go to work and not pay attention for an hour or two and the world shifts rapidly beneath your feet.
So, O'Reilly is giving up girls?
O'Reilly is the pope? Man, go to work and not pay attention for an hour or two and the world shifts rapidly beneath your feet.
So, O'Reilly is giving up girls?
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
These swaddling clothes are as hot as hell.
Hey, and what's with that barnyardish smell?
Virgin births are all right
If you like it real tight.
Christ, can't they swing a fucking motel?
Lime Rickey
You've outdone yourself, Rickey; you'll burn in hell, but it's goddamn funny. Peace.
These swaddling clothes are as hot as hell.
Hey, and what's with that barnyardish smell?
Virgin births are all right
If you like it real tight.
Christ, can't they swing a fucking motel?
Lime Rickey
You've outdone yourself, Rickey; you'll burn in hell, but it's goddamn funny. Peace.
Pudentilla explains why the Red Christianist insistance the the malls say "Merry Christmas" is not particularly Christian. [/blogwhoring]
Pudentilla explains why the Red Christianist insistance the the malls say "Merry Christmas" is not particularly Christian. [/blogwhoring]
Again, this morning, as well. Soledad and Bill were dishing up the Happy Holidays vs. Merry Christmas bullshit for our viewing pleasure.
I'm a lot happier since I quit watching cable news.
Just sayin'.
Again, this morning, as well. Soledad and Bill were dishing up the Happy Holidays vs. Merry Christmas bullshit for our viewing pleasure.
I'm a lot happier since I quit watching cable news.
Just sayin'.
O'Reilly talking about how he's the only one to defend baby Jesus really is a hoot.
Howie "The Whore" Kurtz, knows exactly what it's all about: Keeping the rubes whipped up. Keeping everybody else feeling defensive. From his chat:
-------
http://tinyurl.com/42hwa
Chicago, Ill.: What are your thoughts on the "Christmas Under Attack" stories going around? I noticed and thought it was a little ridiculous before reading Frank Rich's piece in the Times over the weekend. How can "responsible" journalists keep this story alive? Is anyone in America really worried about this? It just feels like a story being fought in the pundit shows.
Howard Kurtz: I guess my view is that Christmas is as huge as ever, and while there are some isolated instances of local authorities being overly PC, the holiday continues to dominate American life and commerce at this time of year. But it is in some people's interest to exaggerate the anti-Christmas threat as a way of continuing the culture war.
Thanks for the chat, folks.
---hmmm. Too bad HK didn't identify who "some people" are and why they benefit from keeping the culture wars raging.
Do you think Rupert Murdoch sits back in his mansion in Beijing and has a good laugh? Or do you think it doesn't even occur to him, because the folks who buy what he sells are kinda sub-human, not even worthy of his contempt. I suppose that would include us; even though we see through him (and the others) we still talk and fuss over the fake controversy; we still feel defensive, just as we are meant to.
O'Reilly talking about how he's the only one to defend baby Jesus really is a hoot.
Howie "The Whore" Kurtz, knows exactly what it's all about: Keeping the rubes whipped up. Keeping everybody else feeling defensive. From his chat:
-------
http://tinyurl.com/42hwa
Chicago, Ill.: What are your thoughts on the "Christmas Under Attack" stories going around? I noticed and thought it was a little ridiculous before reading Frank Rich's piece in the Times over the weekend. How can "responsible" journalists keep this story alive? Is anyone in America really worried about this? It just feels like a story being fought in the pundit shows.
Howard Kurtz: I guess my view is that Christmas is as huge as ever, and while there are some isolated instances of local authorities being overly PC, the holiday continues to dominate American life and commerce at this time of year. But it is in some people's interest to exaggerate the anti-Christmas threat as a way of continuing the culture war.
Thanks for the chat, folks.
---hmmm. Too bad HK didn't identify who "some people" are and why they benefit from keeping the culture wars raging.
Do you think Rupert Murdoch sits back in his mansion in Beijing and has a good laugh? Or do you think it doesn't even occur to him, because the folks who buy what he sells are kinda sub-human, not even worthy of his contempt. I suppose that would include us; even though we see through him (and the others) we still talk and fuss over the fake controversy; we still feel defensive, just as we are meant to.
I, too, wish those around me a happy holiday. Because legally it is a holiday. Regardless of faith, it's time off -- stores are closed, there's no mail, you're stuck with your family. For those for whom that has a religious dimension, I hope that time is happy. For those to whom it is simply another opportunity to relax, I also hope that time is happy.
As non-christians, our "Christmas" -- to use its legal designation as a federal holiday -- generally consists of a movie and Chinese food. This year it's looking like the movie will be "Ray." I'm really looking forward to that.
Happy Holidays, everyone!
I, too, wish those around me a happy holiday. Because legally it is a holiday. Regardless of faith, it's time off -- stores are closed, there's no mail, you're stuck with your family. For those for whom that has a religious dimension, I hope that time is happy. For those to whom it is simply another opportunity to relax, I also hope that time is happy.
As non-christians, our "Christmas" -- to use its legal designation as a federal holiday -- generally consists of a movie and Chinese food. This year it's looking like the movie will be "Ray." I'm really looking forward to that.
Happy Holidays, everyone!
My understanding is that blogwhoring is OK if the story is funny, horrifying, or involves sex.
I've hit the trifecta!
My understanding is that blogwhoring is OK if the story is funny, horrifying, or involves sex.
I've hit the trifecta!
And for another twist, some denominations (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) don't observe Christmas, so greeting them with a "Merry Christmas" is probably as offensive if not more so than saying "Happy Holidays".
And for another twist, some denominations (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) don't observe Christmas, so greeting them with a "Merry Christmas" is probably as offensive if not more so than saying "Happy Holidays".
Tena
We are still wishing for a white Christmas here. But as usual, it looks like Dallas is hogging the snow again. 
Tena
We are still wishing for a white Christmas here. But as usual, it looks like Dallas is hogging the snow again.
It's just String and me from now on and I'm going to have his balls removed.
It's just String and me from now on and I'm going to have his balls removed.
I still say "Merry Christmas Fucking!"
Every time someone comes through the chimney on Christmas, a little baby Santa is born.
I still say "Merry Christmas Fucking!"
Every time someone comes through the chimney on Christmas, a little baby Santa is born.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
How can you hate someone who doesn't exist?
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
How can you hate someone who doesn't exist?
My favorite holiday is still
shavuous, and I don't even know
what it is.
Something about the harvest. All I know is that I got the days off at law school.
My favorite holiday is still
shavuous, and I don't even know
what it is.
Something about the harvest. All I know is that I got the days off at law school.
Incog - Tena is a rich sell-out against the proletariat
You're wandering over into America's Memory territory there, Incog. If you don't mean it, put a smiley on it. If you do mean it - yep, that would be me. And I'm loving every damned minute of it, too.
Me and Al Franken and Jon Stewart and Steve Jobs and the rest of the limousine liberals.
Incog - Tena is a rich sell-out against the proletariat
You're wandering over into America's Memory territory there, Incog. If you don't mean it, put a smiley on it. If you do mean it - yep, that would be me. And I'm loving every damned minute of it, too.
Me and Al Franken and Jon Stewart and Steve Jobs and the rest of the limousine liberals.
Every time someone comes through the chimney on Christmas, a little baby Santa is born.
I can't believe Grand Rapids tolerates you.
Every time someone comes through the chimney on Christmas, a little baby Santa is born.
I can't believe Grand Rapids tolerates you.
YIKES! I WILL NOT HAVE HIS BALLS REMOVED!!!!
YIKES! I WILL NOT HAVE HIS BALLS REMOVED!!!!
Putting Herod back into Christmas
Putting Herod back into Christmas
You hate Christmas and God...
Wow, APAH. For that, I think the baby Chi might stop crying over O'Bilely...and start crying over you. Was that brief spasm of self-pleasure worth it?
You hate Christmas and God...
Wow, APAH. For that, I think the baby Chi might stop crying over O'Bilely...and start crying over you. Was that brief spasm of self-pleasure worth it?
So, O'Reilly is giving up girls?
Nah, just showering with felafel.
So, O'Reilly is giving up girls?
Nah, just showering with felafel.
Most of the idiotic fundies insisting on saying "Merry Christmas" during the season of Advent haven't a clue about the Christian calendar. Christmas, as a season on the Christian calendar, lasts between December 25 and Epiphany on January 6, the so-called Twelve Days of Christmas. So wishing people Merry Christmas for the last two weeks makes as much sense as wishing someone a Happy Easter on St. Valentine's day!
Most of the idiotic fundies insisting on saying "Merry Christmas" during the season of Advent haven't a clue about the Christian calendar. Christmas, as a season on the Christian calendar, lasts between December 25 and Epiphany on January 6, the so-called Twelve Days of Christmas. So wishing people Merry Christmas for the last two weeks makes as much sense as wishing someone a Happy Easter on St. Valentine's day!
I think the name HOLYdays needs to be changed. Afterall what is holi about veterans day, new years day etc?
I think the name HOLYdays needs to be changed. Afterall what is holi about veterans day, new years day etc?
Happy Alahdays! time to get the boogie on...
Happy Alahdays! time to get the boogie on...
I'm not going to have String's balls removed. He just has to got through it the same way I have to.
I'm not going to have String's balls removed. He just has to got through it the same way I have to.
watertiger - You got Shavous off in law school? Hell, they barely closed down SMU for Christmas. And all that Christmas break was was time to study for finals. I can't believe they let y'all out of law school for a holiday. They held classes on Labor Day and when we bitched, they told us we weren't laborers, but students and to shut up.
watertiger - You got Shavous off in law school? Hell, they barely closed down SMU for Christmas. And all that Christmas break was was time to study for finals. I can't believe they let y'all out of law school for a holiday. They held classes on Labor Day and when we bitched, they told us we weren't laborers, but students and to shut up.
Happy Holidays, everyone!
Happy paid day off to you, Roddy!
Happy Holidays, everyone!
Happy paid day off to you, Roddy!
"They don't make Jews like Jesus
anymore"
-- Kinky Friedman (not Tom)
"They don't make Jews like Jesus
anymore"
-- Kinky Friedman (not Tom)
Vicki - the AZ Minerals and Mining Museum sells a very nice big lump of coal for around $1.25 - perfect for holiday giving. Also, we can generally supply everyone with an orange for their stocking if they've been good.
""Secular Humanists" are behind everything from the hated ACLU and the lesbian ERA... " made me laugh. On my little street, there are exactly four Christmas light displays (all pretty inept, but that's just us.) One of mine (humanist Presbyterian ACLU member), the riotously non-winger family next door (Hispanic RCs, mother, father, four sons, two girlfriends, one baby, one toddler, two pitbulls), the middle-aged lesbian couple, and the half-time residents from Ohio, back from fighting for Kerry. I'm not sure what to make of this, except maybe it's harder to decorate 75' eucalyptus trees, palo verdes and ocotillos than it looks. Somehow I don't think the logic of it would be apparent to the O'Reilly cadre.
Vicki - the AZ Minerals and Mining Museum sells a very nice big lump of coal for around $1.25 - perfect for holiday giving. Also, we can generally supply everyone with an orange for their stocking if they've been good.
""Secular Humanists" are behind everything from the hated ACLU and the lesbian ERA... " made me laugh. On my little street, there are exactly four Christmas light displays (all pretty inept, but that's just us.) One of mine (humanist Presbyterian ACLU member), the riotously non-winger family next door (Hispanic RCs, mother, father, four sons, two girlfriends, one baby, one toddler, two pitbulls), the middle-aged lesbian couple, and the half-time residents from Ohio, back from fighting for Kerry. I'm not sure what to make of this, except maybe it's harder to decorate 75' eucalyptus trees, palo verdes and ocotillos than it looks. Somehow I don't think the logic of it would be apparent to the O'Reilly cadre.
Incog - String will live longer and your house will smell better after he's mature if you have him altered. If you don't, you are going to have a tom cat on your hands and he will wander and he will spray and he will not be as good a pet as if you do get him neutered.
But that's up to you.
Incog - String will live longer and your house will smell better after he's mature if you have him altered. If you don't, you are going to have a tom cat on your hands and he will wander and he will spray and he will not be as good a pet as if you do get him neutered.
But that's up to you.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
Actually, I love Christmas, got my bonus check yesterday, got tomorrow off, gonna open presents and enjoy the time with my kids, gonna get stuffed on Turkey and Ham and stuffing.
All around christmas is a lot of fun, as long as I don't have to hear some fucker telling me how to celebrate it.
I don't hate God, it's irrational to hate something that doesn't exist. Do you hate the Easter Bunny?
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
Actually, I love Christmas, got my bonus check yesterday, got tomorrow off, gonna open presents and enjoy the time with my kids, gonna get stuffed on Turkey and Ham and stuffing.
All around christmas is a lot of fun, as long as I don't have to hear some fucker telling me how to celebrate it.
I don't hate God, it's irrational to hate something that doesn't exist. Do you hate the Easter Bunny?
Tena,
I went to Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law (unaffectionately referred to by me as "Bozo U."). It's affiliated with Yeshiva University.
Joint closed early EVERY Friday.
I don't remember having a full week of school for most of September and October each year.
I can't believe Grand Rapids tolerates you.
theodoric
That's why I'm getting out. I'm a fish out of water in this conservative region of the country. Hope I didn't offend you.
Although I will miss my garden. I'll weep at not being able to grow delphiniums in May.
Happy Festivus!
Tena,
I went to Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law (unaffectionately referred to by me as "Bozo U."). It's affiliated with Yeshiva University.
Joint closed early EVERY Friday.
I don't remember having a full week of school for most of September and October each year.
I can't believe Grand Rapids tolerates you.
theodoric
That's why I'm getting out. I'm a fish out of water in this conservative region of the country. Hope I didn't offend you.
Although I will miss my garden. I'll weep at not being able to grow delphiniums in May.
Happy Festivus!
truthout
2004 Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry will file today, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, papers in support of the Green Party/Libertarian Party recount effort
[...]
Kerry's entry into this recount effort changes the math on this matter dramatically. He can likewise show irreperable harm, and unlike the Green and Libertarian candidates, he can also prove a substantial chance for success on the merits because he lost the Ohio vote by a statistical whisker.
Apparently there will be some new stuff on Triad also.
truthout
2004 Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry will file today, in the United States District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, papers in support of the Green Party/Libertarian Party recount effort
[...]
Kerry's entry into this recount effort changes the math on this matter dramatically. He can likewise show irreperable harm, and unlike the Green and Libertarian candidates, he can also prove a substantial chance for success on the merits because he lost the Ohio vote by a statistical whisker.
Apparently there will be some new stuff on Triad also.
But that's up to you.
Tena
I just can't do that.
But that's up to you.
Tena
I just can't do that.
The "Holiday Season" in America actually starts on Halloween and ends after the Super Bowl. Getting anything accomplished during those three months is difficult, if not impossible.
The "Holiday Season" in America actually starts on Halloween and ends after the Super Bowl. Getting anything accomplished during those three months is difficult, if not impossible.
Tena - Incog's had his handle heisted. See above.
Tena - Incog's had his handle heisted. See above.
O' Rediculous has nothing else to talk about. Iraq is in the bag, SS on the mend, Bush, re-elected, RvW on the way out, deficit under control, taxes slashed, world at peace.
"Hell, do you people not understand the pressure of doing a daily news show. Damned repugs have solved all the worlds problems, now there is nothing to grip about. Christ on a Crutch. we gotta to have something to run with."
O' Rediculous has nothing else to talk about. Iraq is in the bag, SS on the mend, Bush, re-elected, RvW on the way out, deficit under control, taxes slashed, world at peace.
"Hell, do you people not understand the pressure of doing a daily news show. Damned repugs have solved all the worlds problems, now there is nothing to grip about. Christ on a Crutch. we gotta to have something to run with."
As I noted on another thread, even the Parents Television Council is saying "Happy Holidays" and "holiday gift" and "holiday season." Are you listening, Bill O'Reilly?
As I noted on another thread, even the Parents Television Council is saying "Happy Holidays" and "holiday gift" and "holiday season." Are you listening, Bill O'Reilly?
They held classes on Labor Day and when we bitched, they told us we weren't laborers, but students and to shut up.
Tena
Hmm. When I was at Oxford, we'd have tutorials and lectures right through Bank Holidays - on the other hand, with shorter terms than those of other universities, there wasn't as much point in taking the time out then as opposed to tacking it onto the between-terms vacations.
They held classes on Labor Day and when we bitched, they told us we weren't laborers, but students and to shut up.
Tena
Hmm. When I was at Oxford, we'd have tutorials and lectures right through Bank Holidays - on the other hand, with shorter terms than those of other universities, there wasn't as much point in taking the time out then as opposed to tacking it onto the between-terms vacations.
Hold up. What about the self-employed? It's not a paid day off for them.
Hold up. What about the self-employed? It's not a paid day off for them.
watertiger - My gosh, y'all were lucky. On Fridays, the student bar association at SMU would set up a happy hour at a bar, with dollar pitchers. That was our Friday service. After classes, of course.
watertiger - My gosh, y'all were lucky. On Fridays, the student bar association at SMU would set up a happy hour at a bar, with dollar pitchers. That was our Friday service. After classes, of course.
RvW
Rip van Winkle?
RvW
Rip van Winkle?
even when i was a church-goer and Catholic-school student, i always preferred to say "happy Holidays" because i didn't always necessarily have the time or willingness to spend the amount of breath that it takes to consistently greet or send people off with "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year."
If "Baby Jesus" is weeping for any reason it's because of the sheer volume of annoying, sanctimonious asshats like O'LIElly who have latched onto his name.
even when i was a church-goer and Catholic-school student, i always preferred to say "happy Holidays" because i didn't always necessarily have the time or willingness to spend the amount of breath that it takes to consistently greet or send people off with "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year."
If "Baby Jesus" is weeping for any reason it's because of the sheer volume of annoying, sanctimonious asshats like O'LIElly who have latched onto his name.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
Tena - Incog's had his handle heisted. See above.
GWPDA
No, it's me. Point out where I'm wrong.
Tena - Incog's had his handle heisted. See above.
GWPDA
No, it's me. Point out where I'm wrong.
I had always intended "Happy Holidays" to include Christmas and New Years . . . basically shorthand for "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year." I had no idea this meant I was some anti-Papist, wikken, necromancer.
BetterYeti
Me neither, Yeti!
reposting my very late comment from an earlier thread:
As a cashier for a major retailer I feel like I'm right there "in the trenches", and I have to say that this has been the whackiest feeling holiday season I've ever, ever seen.
I have ALWAYS wished shoppers a "Happy Holiday" and until this year it was always seemingly accepted in the spirit it was offered. Not this year...
THIS year, I'm getting very pointed replies (or pre-emptive declarations) of "MERRY CHRISTMAS". And not your typical "Merry Christmas", but one where I'm being stared down and I can see a mental note being made of my reaction. It's not a seasonal greeting as much as it is a "test" of my faith, or my politics, my Americanism or whatever whacky place these shoppers are coming from.
It's been so disturbing that every day of the last week I have been propping an antique postcard (different one every day) on top of my register. Postcards from the decidedly "pre-PC" era of the turn of the 20th century with messages like:
"May your Holly Day be a Jolly Day!"
"Seasons Greetings"
"Yule Tide Greetings"
Still...I'm getting the "Merry Christmas" and the follow up eyeballing...
My New Years resolution?
Re-read The Handmaid's Tale.
I had always intended "Happy Holidays" to include Christmas and New Years . . . basically shorthand for "Merry Christmas and Happy New Year." I had no idea this meant I was some anti-Papist, wikken, necromancer.
BetterYeti
Me neither, Yeti!
reposting my very late comment from an earlier thread:
As a cashier for a major retailer I feel like I'm right there "in the trenches", and I have to say that this has been the whackiest feeling holiday season I've ever, ever seen.
I have ALWAYS wished shoppers a "Happy Holiday" and until this year it was always seemingly accepted in the spirit it was offered. Not this year...
THIS year, I'm getting very pointed replies (or pre-emptive declarations) of "MERRY CHRISTMAS". And not your typical "Merry Christmas", but one where I'm being stared down and I can see a mental note being made of my reaction. It's not a seasonal greeting as much as it is a "test" of my faith, or my politics, my Americanism or whatever whacky place these shoppers are coming from.
It's been so disturbing that every day of the last week I have been propping an antique postcard (different one every day) on top of my register. Postcards from the decidedly "pre-PC" era of the turn of the 20th century with messages like:
"May your Holly Day be a Jolly Day!"
"Seasons Greetings"
"Yule Tide Greetings"
Still...I'm getting the "Merry Christmas" and the follow up eyeballing...
My New Years resolution?
Re-read The Handmaid's Tale.
Happy Festivus Vicki.
Happy Festivus Vicki.
MeLoseBrain:
Happy Season's Greetings. Keep the home fires burning.
MeLoseBrain:
Happy Season's Greetings. Keep the home fires burning.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
Repeat much?
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
Repeat much?
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
So noted. Next?
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
So noted. Next?
I think its just plain unpatriotic for people to talk about "happy holidays" now, sending out "holiday" greetings, etc., when they do nothing similar on July 4.
If "happy holidays" ticks 'em off, I'm prepared to go even further:
Have a nice day!
- Mike
I think its just plain unpatriotic for people to talk about "happy holidays" now, sending out "holiday" greetings, etc., when they do nothing similar on July 4.
If "happy holidays" ticks 'em off, I'm prepared to go even further:
Have a nice day!
- Mike
GWPDA - Ah, that explains it - it must be America's Memory. It's one of his favorite obsessions - my purported wealth.
And don't I wish I was rich enough to have earned it.
Nah, actually, I'm happy. We are doing well and that's enough for me.
GWPDA - Ah, that explains it - it must be America's Memory. It's one of his favorite obsessions - my purported wealth.
And don't I wish I was rich enough to have earned it.
Nah, actually, I'm happy. We are doing well and that's enough for me.
I don't hear people saying 'Happy Easter' on Ash Wednesday, that's for sure.
I don't hear people saying 'Happy Easter' on Ash Wednesday, that's for sure.
When do we have "The Feats of Strength"? That's always my favorite part of Festivus.
When do we have "The Feats of Strength"? That's always my favorite part of Festivus.
Totally OT --
The Sci-Fi channel is right now
airing the notorious Space Hippies
episode of Star Trek. Tied with
Spock's Brain for the all time
worst of the series.
Deck us all with Boston Charlie!!!!
Totally OT --
The Sci-Fi channel is right now
airing the notorious Space Hippies
episode of Star Trek. Tied with
Spock's Brain for the all time
worst of the series.
Deck us all with Boston Charlie!!!!
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 1:05 pm | #
"...Fuck you."
Ahh, one of the "values voters" chimes in with their usual spark of genius.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 1:05 pm | #
"...Fuck you."
Ahh, one of the "values voters" chimes in with their usual spark of genius.
Does anyone else have a message at the bottom of the comments box that starts: Warning: mysql_close(): supplied arguments is not a valid... ?
Does anyone else have a message at the bottom of the comments box that starts: Warning: mysql_close(): supplied arguments is not a valid... ?
Tena,
I was a piece of leavened rye in a box of matzohs in that place. I remember having an argument with an orthodox Jewish man in Family Law class -- he basically said that women were like condominiums, with the owner's rights residing with the husband.
I told him that Real Estate Law was down the hall, out the door, and over to the Hudson River, where he should jump in.
And don't get me started on the hypocrite men who would take off their yarmulkes for job interviews.
Tena,
I was a piece of leavened rye in a box of matzohs in that place. I remember having an argument with an orthodox Jewish man in Family Law class -- he basically said that women were like condominiums, with the owner's rights residing with the husband.
I told him that Real Estate Law was down the hall, out the door, and over to the Hudson River, where he should jump in.
And don't get me started on the hypocrite men who would take off their yarmulkes for job interviews.
Off Topic,but Kerry has officially joined in the Ohio investigation of voting machine fraud.Few details,but there will be Dem Senators challenging the electors on Jan 6 if the allegations prove worthy.Sorry I cant be more specific.
Off Topic,but Kerry has officially joined in the Ohio investigation of voting machine fraud.Few details,but there will be Dem Senators challenging the electors on Jan 6 if the allegations prove worthy.Sorry I cant be more specific.
I ran across this quotation a few years ago, and it instantly became my absolutely favorite Christmas quotation. I used the last two sentences on my Christmas/Solstice/Holiday card in 2000.
There are people who believe that no Christmas candle has been set to shine for them. If they can find no other coloured light for Christmas, why should they not look up and see the heaven full of stars. The winter woods are full of Christmas trees, and all December stars are Christmas stars. People who have wearied of every other kind of Christmas will find it difficult to outgrow a star.
Marjory MacMurchy
Quoted in Canadian Days: Selections for Every Day in the Year from the Works of Canadian Authors (1911)
Of course, it's un-American because it doesn't mention buying stuff, and it has to do with trees, which were put here to be cut down,* so I'm sure a lot of people will be offended. But I like it.
Happy Holiday of Your Choice!
*In addition to the obvious reason.
I ran across this quotation a few years ago, and it instantly became my absolutely favorite Christmas quotation. I used the last two sentences on my Christmas/Solstice/Holiday card in 2000.
There are people who believe that no Christmas candle has been set to shine for them. If they can find no other coloured light for Christmas, why should they not look up and see the heaven full of stars. The winter woods are full of Christmas trees, and all December stars are Christmas stars. People who have wearied of every other kind of Christmas will find it difficult to outgrow a star.
Marjory MacMurchy
Quoted in Canadian Days: Selections for Every Day in the Year from the Works of Canadian Authors (1911)
Of course, it's un-American because it doesn't mention buying stuff, and it has to do with trees, which were put here to be cut down,* so I'm sure a lot of people will be offended. But I like it.
Happy Holiday of Your Choice!
*In addition to the obvious reason.
Does anyone else have a message at the bottom of the comments box that starts: Warning: mysql_close(): supplied arguments is not a valid... ?
It's been there for at least a day now.
Haloscan is very touchy this time of year.
Does anyone else have a message at the bottom of the comments box that starts: Warning: mysql_close(): supplied arguments is not a valid... ?
It's been there for at least a day now.
Haloscan is very touchy this time of year.
Deck us all with Boston Charlie!!!!
steve simels
WallaWallaWash and Kalamazo
Deck us all with Boston Charlie!!!!
steve simels
WallaWallaWash and Kalamazo
I hate bigots and Big Brother. Fuck you, too.
Merry Retail Day !!
I hate bigots and Big Brother. Fuck you, too.
Merry Retail Day !!
As a existentialist I have always tolerated others beliefs.
Now that the religious right is demanding that their "christian" beliefs be law (meaning anti-gay, anti-choice, and anti-seperation of church and state), I am not so tolerant.
Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson ad nauseum have become the Christian Taliban. Where is the message of peace on earth, good will toward men, care for the poor and weak?
As a existentialist I have always tolerated others beliefs.
Now that the religious right is demanding that their "christian" beliefs be law (meaning anti-gay, anti-choice, and anti-seperation of church and state), I am not so tolerant.
Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson ad nauseum have become the Christian Taliban. Where is the message of peace on earth, good will toward men, care for the poor and weak?
watertiger - I'm LOL at the mental image. Couldn't be further from the way it was at SMU. The thing that always got me there were the dead serious students who from 2d year on wore their lawyer outfits and clerked part time.
They were such good little insurance defense lawyers already. We called them the Hitler Youth.
watertiger - I'm LOL at the mental image. Couldn't be further from the way it was at SMU. The thing that always got me there were the dead serious students who from 2d year on wore their lawyer outfits and clerked part time.
They were such good little insurance defense lawyers already. We called them the Hitler Youth.
Happy Festivus Vicki.
krsaz
You, too, babe. I'm off next week, so come and visit if you want to play in the snow. Your kids, too. They'll enjoy the reindeer ranch in my backyard.
Happy Festivus Vicki.
krsaz
You, too, babe. I'm off next week, so come and visit if you want to play in the snow. Your kids, too. They'll enjoy the reindeer ranch in my backyard.
Come to think of it, a Festivus nativity scene with all the Seinfeld characters would rock! I can just see Baby Costanza (a baby statue with George Costanza's grown-up head attached) surrounded by his loving parents (Frank and Estelle, in full screeching mode), Jerry, Elaine and Kramer standing in for the 3 Wise Men, and Jerry's arch-nemesis Newman...as Satan. Also, various props in the background, including an oversized Tweety Pez Dispenser and a cigar store Wooden Indian.
Come to think of it, a Festivus nativity scene with all the Seinfeld characters would rock! I can just see Baby Costanza (a baby statue with George Costanza's grown-up head attached) surrounded by his loving parents (Frank and Estelle, in full screeching mode), Jerry, Elaine and Kramer standing in for the 3 Wise Men, and Jerry's arch-nemesis Newman...as Satan. Also, various props in the background, including an oversized Tweety Pez Dispenser and a cigar store Wooden Indian.
John D.: and a Festivus pole hanging around somewhere in the background.
John D.: and a Festivus pole hanging around somewhere in the background.
krsaz,
Just kidding about the reindeer ranch.
krsaz,
Just kidding about the reindeer ranch.
They prefer the "religiously correct" "Merry Christmas".
It's all about the hypochrisy, baby.
darrow
Realistically, I don't see why religious Christians would want the birth of Christ to be deemed a "merry" occasion.
It seems more fitting they would want to make it a solemn occasion, more of a time for reflection of Christ's message and introspection of what it means to be a Christian...A time to act in the ways of Christ. Similar to how Martin Luther King's birthday is celebrated as not an occasion to get drunk and max out a credit card, but as a day to perform community service and reflect on King's message of social justice and civil rights.
Could you imagine people wishing each other a "merry" Martin Luther King, Jr. day?
Yeesh.
They prefer the "religiously correct" "Merry Christmas".
It's all about the hypochrisy, baby.
darrow
Realistically, I don't see why religious Christians would want the birth of Christ to be deemed a "merry" occasion.
It seems more fitting they would want to make it a solemn occasion, more of a time for reflection of Christ's message and introspection of what it means to be a Christian...A time to act in the ways of Christ. Similar to how Martin Luther King's birthday is celebrated as not an occasion to get drunk and max out a credit card, but as a day to perform community service and reflect on King's message of social justice and civil rights.
Could you imagine people wishing each other a "merry" Martin Luther King, Jr. day?
Yeesh.
coitus - Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson ad nauseum have become the Christian Taliban. Where is the message of peace on earth, good will toward men, care for the poor and weak?
Well, see, after Jesus quit, things really went downhill. Poor and weak? They are just being unchristian.
coitus - Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson ad nauseum have become the Christian Taliban. Where is the message of peace on earth, good will toward men, care for the poor and weak?
Well, see, after Jesus quit, things really went downhill. Poor and weak? They are just being unchristian.
Vicki, do you really have reindeer?
There's a farm not too far from where I live that advertises on TV tours so that children can see live baby reindeer.
I haven't gone, in part because Mr. Athenae has developed this weird aversion to zoos and wildlife parks and such and he's sure the animals are being abused, but ... fuzzy baby reindeer with fuzzy little antlers!
A.
Vicki, do you really have reindeer?
There's a farm not too far from where I live that advertises on TV tours so that children can see live baby reindeer.
I haven't gone, in part because Mr. Athenae has developed this weird aversion to zoos and wildlife parks and such and he's sure the animals are being abused, but ... fuzzy baby reindeer with fuzzy little antlers!
A.
Now that the wife and I have a solid tradition of going to see the latest Lord of the Rings movie on Christmas Day, they stopped makin' 'em. Sigh.
Methinks it'll be Series of Unfortunate Events this year.
Now that the wife and I have a solid tradition of going to see the latest Lord of the Rings movie on Christmas Day, they stopped makin' 'em. Sigh.
Methinks it'll be Series of Unfortunate Events this year.
All I know is that I got the days off at law school.
I went to a private college in the Chicago area with a residential campus. Days off were pretty rare; during the 1978 blizzard that closed the el north of Wrigley Field for a month or so and got Jane Byrne elected mayor, we were the only school in the entire state of Illinois that remained in session.
I'll never forget the day of my sophomore year that began with Professor Goldberg announcing to my 8AM circuits class, "Tomorrow is Yom Kippur. There will be no class."
At my 9AM electronics class, my advisor (whom none of us knew was Muslim) announced, "Tomorrow is a holy day in my religion. It is the end of the month of Ramadan. There will be no class."
The professor who taught my 1PM electromagnetics course wasn't religious, but he did have a consulting gig with the city of Chicago that necessitated his absence the next day. (Sort of a secular humanist religious holiday, I suppose.)
All I know is that I got the days off at law school.
I went to a private college in the Chicago area with a residential campus. Days off were pretty rare; during the 1978 blizzard that closed the el north of Wrigley Field for a month or so and got Jane Byrne elected mayor, we were the only school in the entire state of Illinois that remained in session.
I'll never forget the day of my sophomore year that began with Professor Goldberg announcing to my 8AM circuits class, "Tomorrow is Yom Kippur. There will be no class."
At my 9AM electronics class, my advisor (whom none of us knew was Muslim) announced, "Tomorrow is a holy day in my religion. It is the end of the month of Ramadan. There will be no class."
The professor who taught my 1PM electromagnetics course wasn't religious, but he did have a consulting gig with the city of Chicago that necessitated his absence the next day. (Sort of a secular humanist religious holiday, I suppose.)
Clif...Advent has largely been lost here in the U.S. Catholics, Episcopalians and some Lutherans are about the only ones I know who celebrate it, and they have a hard time competing with Santa. You are correct. Advent is the period of preparation for the birth of Christ, and the Christmas season runs from Dec. 25th to Epiphany on Jan. 6, unless you're using the Orthodox calendar. Secular humanists did not steal Christmas. That was done years ago by good old fashioned American materialism.
Clif...Advent has largely been lost here in the U.S. Catholics, Episcopalians and some Lutherans are about the only ones I know who celebrate it, and they have a hard time competing with Santa. You are correct. Advent is the period of preparation for the birth of Christ, and the Christmas season runs from Dec. 25th to Epiphany on Jan. 6, unless you're using the Orthodox calendar. Secular humanists did not steal Christmas. That was done years ago by good old fashioned American materialism.
OT, there is a most offensive ad on the NY Times editorial page today paid for by Vince McMahon and WWE.
It is a rant against all the "negativity" in the news about the Iraq situation. It's paragraphs long.
I think WWE got lost on its way to the New York Post. But what about the Times, taking the money nonetheless.
OT, there is a most offensive ad on the NY Times editorial page today paid for by Vince McMahon and WWE.
It is a rant against all the "negativity" in the news about the Iraq situation. It's paragraphs long.
I think WWE got lost on its way to the New York Post. But what about the Times, taking the money nonetheless.
Other ways Christians are oppressed:
Whenever someone says, "Thank goodness!" instead of, "Thank God!"
Saying "Bless you" instead of "God bless you" (implies non-deity-specific blessings rather than blessings from The One True Southern Baptist God™)
Telling someone, "Go to Hell!" rather than, "The Lord is going to send you to the fiery pits of Hell if you persist in [insert favorite sin], but I'll continue to pray for your soul!!!"
Other ways Christians are oppressed:
Whenever someone says, "Thank goodness!" instead of, "Thank God!"
Saying "Bless you" instead of "God bless you" (implies non-deity-specific blessings rather than blessings from The One True Southern Baptist God™)
Telling someone, "Go to Hell!" rather than, "The Lord is going to send you to the fiery pits of Hell if you persist in [insert favorite sin], but I'll continue to pray for your soul!!!"
Ah yes, the annual "they're killing Christmas!" rant, being led this time by Elmer O'Gantry. The only difference this time is that the no-fundies believe they have a man date to get aggressive about it. Their belligerence underscores their insecurity.
What is most disturbing is they can't agree with themselves. We have Preachers boycotting stores for not making Xmas commercial enough and, at the same time, there is a local guy in Oregon distributing signs that read, "Christmas, Jesus, Celebrate the Birth" in order to de-emphasize the commercial aspects. When they make up up their mind, maybe I'll listen to them.
So, I'll just go to watch the pageant and sing a few carols at the kiddy Mass on Xmas Eve, then go home to knock back a few shots with the family and do some tree scoring.
Ah yes, the annual "they're killing Christmas!" rant, being led this time by Elmer O'Gantry. The only difference this time is that the no-fundies believe they have a man date to get aggressive about it. Their belligerence underscores their insecurity.
What is most disturbing is they can't agree with themselves. We have Preachers boycotting stores for not making Xmas commercial enough and, at the same time, there is a local guy in Oregon distributing signs that read, "Christmas, Jesus, Celebrate the Birth" in order to de-emphasize the commercial aspects. When they make up up their mind, maybe I'll listen to them.
So, I'll just go to watch the pageant and sing a few carols at the kiddy Mass on Xmas Eve, then go home to knock back a few shots with the family and do some tree scoring.
Vicki, do you really have reindeer?
No, Athenae, I'm in the city of GR. I was just being a goofball. I have a double lot with two cherry trees and a crab apple tree and a flower garden, that's about it.
I do feed the squirrels, though, so I suppose you could say I have a natural wildlife habitat...
Vicki, do you really have reindeer?
No, Athenae, I'm in the city of GR. I was just being a goofball. I have a double lot with two cherry trees and a crab apple tree and a flower garden, that's about it.
I do feed the squirrels, though, so I suppose you could say I have a natural wildlife habitat...
We three Kings of Orientar
tried to smoke a rubber cigar
It was loaded, it exploded
now we don't know where we are...
We three Kings of Orientar
tried to smoke a rubber cigar
It was loaded, it exploded
now we don't know where we are...
TheaLogie: Well, naturally! Also, it should include the Soup Nazi, Mickey Abbot and FDR dressed as shepards. And Susan, George's dearly departed girlfriend, as an angel.
TheaLogie: Well, naturally! Also, it should include the Soup Nazi, Mickey Abbot and FDR dressed as shepards. And Susan, George's dearly departed girlfriend, as an angel.
Haloscan is under siege!
Also, since I'm ...uh... underfunded, here's my Christmas present to the progressive community.
Happy holidays!
Haloscan is under siege!
Also, since I'm ...uh... underfunded, here's my Christmas present to the progressive community.
Happy holidays!
Everybody wants to attack me here, but you know what? I'm a tough son of a bitch so go ahead on. They don't make them like me anymore. And I will bury you.
Everybody wants to attack me here, but you know what? I'm a tough son of a bitch so go ahead on. They don't make them like me anymore. And I will bury you.
It was loaded, it exploded
now we don't know where we are...
It was loaded with some chronic, yeah!
It was loaded, it exploded
now we don't know where we are...
It was loaded with some chronic, yeah!
Happy Festivus to all Atriots!
Let the airing of grievances begin.
Happy Festivus to all Atriots!
Let the airing of grievances begin.
Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson ad nauseum have become the Christian Taliban. Where is the message of peace on earth, good will toward men, care for the poor and weak
The Christianity that we know has never really been about following the teachings of Jesus, so much as it is about worshiping Jesus, the mythical god.
Fallwell, Robertson, Dobson ad nauseum have become the Christian Taliban. Where is the message of peace on earth, good will toward men, care for the poor and weak
The Christianity that we know has never really been about following the teachings of Jesus, so much as it is about worshiping Jesus, the mythical god.
Has anybody tried this:
"Merry Christmas."
"No, marriage is only between a man and a woman. You can't marry Christmas any more than you can marry a box turtle. Our constitution is gonna say so!"
(With a nod to Bob and Ray and their sketch about saving whales.)
Has anybody tried this:
"Merry Christmas."
"No, marriage is only between a man and a woman. You can't marry Christmas any more than you can marry a box turtle. Our constitution is gonna say so!"
(With a nod to Bob and Ray and their sketch about saving whales.)
Oh, and I'm thinking of converting to Mithraism. Why not? The early Christians swiped its big winter feast lock stock and barrel.
Oh, and I'm thinking of converting to Mithraism. Why not? The early Christians swiped its big winter feast lock stock and barrel.
Hey Vicki:
I just sent Grey Psoda a check for
his utility bill.
And he says he'll come home for
the holidays if you make your
wonderful pecan pie.....
Hey Vicki:
I just sent Grey Psoda a check for
his utility bill.
And he says he'll come home for
the holidays if you make your
wonderful pecan pie.....
Ô¿Ô ~
"They don't make them like me anymore."
Indeed. Hang in there, you and String. I think you're cool. Merry Christmas fucking!
Ô¿Ô ~
"They don't make them like me anymore."
Indeed. Hang in there, you and String. I think you're cool. Merry Christmas fucking!
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
Love your Christian attitude.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
Love your Christian attitude.
Hey Vicki:
I just sent Grey Psoda a check for
his utility bill.
And he says he'll come home for
the holidays if you make your
wonderful pecan pie.....
I never figured you for a bigamist.
Hey Vicki:
I just sent Grey Psoda a check for
his utility bill.
And he says he'll come home for
the holidays if you make your
wonderful pecan pie.....
I never figured you for a bigamist.
Happy Alvistime everyone!
On a frosty winter's night, a wagon appeared at the gates of Fort Klugman carrying pioneers to the frontier.
A young woman in the party called Delia was heavy with child.
And though she had journeyed with the virile young men for nigh on one year, none had lain with her, though she was comely.
And on this frosty winter's night, young Delia's water broke, almost freezing her to the seat of the wagon.
And the pioneer's beseeched the soldiers to grant them entrance, so that she could give birth to her child in the hospital there. But due to an outbreak of syphilis among the soldiers, the hospital was full.
And so there in the stable, among the feed and tack, and the... the... whatsis, Delia gave birth to a son, whom she called Alvis, as was her wont.
And since none of the men in the party were the father, it was decided among them that the birth of this child must truly be a miracle.
And it was so, for above the fort, there suddenly and miraculously appeared an awesome and mighty comet. And so brilliant was its light, that there came from all the tribes - which the soldiers had not yet decimated - shamans.
And they rode upon buffalo as was there heathen custom, bearing gifts, offerings of whiskey and firearms.
And when the shamans saw the child, they were in awe, for he glowed as bathed in the light which was truly not of this world...
Happy Alvistime everyone!
On a frosty winter's night, a wagon appeared at the gates of Fort Klugman carrying pioneers to the frontier.
A young woman in the party called Delia was heavy with child.
And though she had journeyed with the virile young men for nigh on one year, none had lain with her, though she was comely.
And on this frosty winter's night, young Delia's water broke, almost freezing her to the seat of the wagon.
And the pioneer's beseeched the soldiers to grant them entrance, so that she could give birth to her child in the hospital there. But due to an outbreak of syphilis among the soldiers, the hospital was full.
And so there in the stable, among the feed and tack, and the... the... whatsis, Delia gave birth to a son, whom she called Alvis, as was her wont.
And since none of the men in the party were the father, it was decided among them that the birth of this child must truly be a miracle.
And it was so, for above the fort, there suddenly and miraculously appeared an awesome and mighty comet. And so brilliant was its light, that there came from all the tribes - which the soldiers had not yet decimated - shamans.
And they rode upon buffalo as was there heathen custom, bearing gifts, offerings of whiskey and firearms.
And when the shamans saw the child, they were in awe, for he glowed as bathed in the light which was truly not of this world...
Hey, I just got a spam email from "Tommy Thompson."
I guess he's been having a hard time finding alternative employment.
Oh, and my Atriots mug is now prominently displayed on my desk.
Hey, I just got a spam email from "Tommy Thompson."
I guess he's been having a hard time finding alternative employment.
Oh, and my Atriots mug is now prominently displayed on my desk.
Hey Steve,
Why, tell the pride and joy that of course, pecan pie will be in the oven tomorrow!
Actually, I remember the year I was first married. I was asked to bring pecan pie to my ex's family Christmas Party. I made them, but the nuts were too salty and the crust was heavy as iron.
Hey Steve,
Why, tell the pride and joy that of course, pecan pie will be in the oven tomorrow!
Actually, I remember the year I was first married. I was asked to bring pecan pie to my ex's family Christmas Party. I made them, but the nuts were too salty and the crust was heavy as iron.
Sol invictus!
Sol invictus!
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
APAH, you are nothing less than a fucking comic genius. I'll probably be laughing about this for the rest of the day.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
APAH, you are nothing less than a fucking comic genius. I'll probably be laughing about this for the rest of the day.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
Thanks for reminding me that the election was about "values."
I think we can just about retire the word "irony" after this one.
You hate Christmas and God. Fuck you.
American Pride And Hope
Thanks for reminding me that the election was about "values."
I think we can just about retire the word "irony" after this one.
You all hate commerce and America.
You all hate commerce and America.
One other thing: it's really fucking weird to have people talking about 'crèches' at Christmas, since a crèche to me is what Americans call 'daycare', and the baby-Jesus-and-sheep thing is a 'crib'...
One other thing: it's really fucking weird to have people talking about 'crèches' at Christmas, since a crèche to me is what Americans call 'daycare', and the baby-Jesus-and-sheep thing is a 'crib'...
Vicki:
I'll have to tell him later...he's
kicking tush on another thread....
Vicki:
I'll have to tell him later...he's
kicking tush on another thread....
pecan pie - that reminds me. I need to go run about 500 errands since everything fell apart when my MIL went into the hospital and I'm going to be making Christmas dinner for everyone. Which is no big deal, but I need to go to the stores - why is it that no one grocery store has everything I need, so I have to go to 3?
Ah the life of the rich me selling out the proletariat - why won't my staff do my errands, I ask you? Useless invisible servants, I should fire them for christmas.
Later. Provided I can still access the internet when I get back...
pecan pie - that reminds me. I need to go run about 500 errands since everything fell apart when my MIL went into the hospital and I'm going to be making Christmas dinner for everyone. Which is no big deal, but I need to go to the stores - why is it that no one grocery store has everything I need, so I have to go to 3?
Ah the life of the rich me selling out the proletariat - why won't my staff do my errands, I ask you? Useless invisible servants, I should fire them for christmas.
Later. Provided I can still access the internet when I get back...
Got any egg nogg?
Got any egg nogg?
You hate Christmas because you want to wreck Dear Leader's economy.
You hate Christmas because you want to wreck Dear Leader's economy.
Tied with Spock's Brain for the all time worst of the series.
You've gotta add the Abe Lincoln episode for a three-way split.
Oooh oooh-- and the Gunfight at the OK Corral episode!
Actually, pretty much that whole third season.
Tied with Spock's Brain for the all time worst of the series.
You've gotta add the Abe Lincoln episode for a three-way split.
Oooh oooh-- and the Gunfight at the OK Corral episode!
Actually, pretty much that whole third season.
You hate God because you like to dance naked in the forest.
You hate God because you like to dance naked in the forest.
Agreed,
as a lazy person, I don't want to have to call everyone on all 3 holidays.
I also like to say
Big happy H
congatulations on your new credit card payments.
Back int he day, It was so cool when all those people who knew Mary and Joseph, bought presents for like 2 months before Jesus was even born.
Agreed,
as a lazy person, I don't want to have to call everyone on all 3 holidays.
I also like to say
Big happy H
congatulations on your new credit card payments.
Back int he day, It was so cool when all those people who knew Mary and Joseph, bought presents for like 2 months before Jesus was even born.
wt, it's a good thing I don't tend to get the NYT dead tree version (I registered in order to read it online; BugMeNot seemed not to work for NYT)...
wt, it's a good thing I don't tend to get the NYT dead tree version (I registered in order to read it online; BugMeNot seemed not to work for NYT)...
Hey watertiger,
I just received this beautiful, woven calendar of the New Jersey shoreline.
Anyway, made me think of you.
Happy watertiger days!
Hey watertiger,
I just received this beautiful, woven calendar of the New Jersey shoreline.
Anyway, made me think of you.
Happy watertiger days!
Must dash, but we leave you with this OT thought: our [near] Last Book of the Year is the one Noam Chomsky wrote against Vietnam (At War in Asia), and it is truly disturbing how perfect several of the parallels are. In the case of the intellectuals justifying the Vietnam disaster there are passages that can be quoted whole or with the words "Vietnam" and "Communist" exchanged for more modern equivalents.
Must dash, but we leave you with this OT thought: our [near] Last Book of the Year is the one Noam Chomsky wrote against Vietnam (At War in Asia), and it is truly disturbing how perfect several of the parallels are. In the case of the intellectuals justifying the Vietnam disaster there are passages that can be quoted whole or with the words "Vietnam" and "Communist" exchanged for more modern equivalents.
I always considered the use of "Happy Holidays" to be a form of respect to those who (especially in my neck pof the woods) might well be members of the tribe. It was always a way to say, "You might well be Jewish. Or not. My best wishes regardless!"
Respect was once a good thing. Now it's just more evidence of a godless conspiracy to persecute the devout, who of course are members of the right. And "Happy Holidays" is the latest symbolic incarnation of the "L" word.
Now, I said this at election time, and I'll say it again: the people they're addressing with this "no Happy Holidays" bullshit are dumbfuck reactionaries who have always felt oppressed by society's unspoken sense of propriety and decency.
Here they are... champing at the bit to repeat their favorite "nigger" jokes out loud. Wanting so bad to tell the poor to just go fuck themselves. Resenting every time they go to Macy's and see "Happy Holidays!"; they're reminded that while they're taking little Biff and Debbie to sit on Santa's lap, there's no big signs around, wishing all a "Merry Christmas", because it might, you know, offend those JEWS. Those goddamned, secular JEWS.
That's all this "Happy Holidays" shit is.
Karl Rove's much-touted "genius" is that he tapped-into this lumpen lode of ignorance and fear, and sent them a clear message which the rest of us might not have heard: "You don't have to put up with this anymore! You don't have to watch your language, or constantly correct how you conduct yourself in public, or censor your jokes at the bar, or have to make sure you're not seen laughing at Stretch Cunningham at the bar when he does tell one of those jokes. WE ARE LIBERATING YOU! Polite society and the liberals who run it with an iron fist will no longer make you feel guilty about who you are! And we may not say it in so many words, but you KNOW we're with you!"
And remember, in case you forgot: W has political capital now. And he intends to spend it. Get ready for more William Donohues ("... secular Jews who control Hollywood..!), and the big comeback of regular public use of the word "nigger", among those of the Caucasian persuasion.
As for the rest of you... Happy Holidays!
I always considered the use of "Happy Holidays" to be a form of respect to those who (especially in my neck pof the woods) might well be members of the tribe. It was always a way to say, "You might well be Jewish. Or not. My best wishes regardless!"
Respect was once a good thing. Now it's just more evidence of a godless conspiracy to persecute the devout, who of course are members of the right. And "Happy Holidays" is the latest symbolic incarnation of the "L" word.
Now, I said this at election time, and I'll say it again: the people they're addressing with this "no Happy Holidays" bullshit are dumbfuck reactionaries who have always felt oppressed by society's unspoken sense of propriety and decency.
Here they are... champing at the bit to repeat their favorite "nigger" jokes out loud. Wanting so bad to tell the poor to just go fuck themselves. Resenting every time they go to Macy's and see "Happy Holidays!"; they're reminded that while they're taking little Biff and Debbie to sit on Santa's lap, there's no big signs around, wishing all a "Merry Christmas", because it might, you know, offend those JEWS. Those goddamned, secular JEWS.
That's all this "Happy Holidays" shit is.
Karl Rove's much-touted "genius" is that he tapped-into this lumpen lode of ignorance and fear, and sent them a clear message which the rest of us might not have heard: "You don't have to put up with this anymore! You don't have to watch your language, or constantly correct how you conduct yourself in public, or censor your jokes at the bar, or have to make sure you're not seen laughing at Stretch Cunningham at the bar when he does tell one of those jokes. WE ARE LIBERATING YOU! Polite society and the liberals who run it with an iron fist will no longer make you feel guilty about who you are! And we may not say it in so many words, but you KNOW we're with you!"
And remember, in case you forgot: W has political capital now. And he intends to spend it. Get ready for more William Donohues ("... secular Jews who control Hollywood..!), and the big comeback of regular public use of the word "nigger", among those of the Caucasian persuasion.
As for the rest of you... Happy Holidays!
You know what would be really sweet for Xmas?
The ability to comment on Eschaton without using Haloscan.
You know what would be really sweet for Xmas?
The ability to comment on Eschaton without using Haloscan.
why do you hate Jesus and Christmas by acknowledging other religions?
why do you hate Jesus and Christmas by acknowledging other religions?
I'm with Pastor O'Reilly on this one. A "Happy Holidays" greeting to me will be swiftly met with a kick to the groin and a sermon on the true meaning of Christmas. Sure, it usually means a Christmas Eve stay at the county jail, but I put the time there to good use by witnessing to the less fortunate in between bouts of Spartan-style wrestling.
I'm with Pastor O'Reilly on this one. A "Happy Holidays" greeting to me will be swiftly met with a kick to the groin and a sermon on the true meaning of Christmas. Sure, it usually means a Christmas Eve stay at the county jail, but I put the time there to good use by witnessing to the less fortunate in between bouts of Spartan-style wrestling.
Didn't Tom Loo, chief Republican Economist on the House Small Business Committee, want a plasma TV for Xmas???
Didn't Tom Loo, chief Republican Economist on the House Small Business Committee, want a plasma TV for Xmas???
To paraphrase Chesterton, the fault is not in Christianity but in the people who practice it. Jesus's teachings are just as countercultural now as they were when he first spoke them. It's not surprising that so many of us fall short. As for Falwell, Robertson and their ilk, I don't consider them representative of Christianity any more than bin Laden is representative of Islam. Jesus did not come to stir up hate and fear, but exactly the opposite. His teachings can really be boiled down to "Love one another" and "Be not afraid," meaning have faith. A lot of Christians are wonderful people, just as a lot of atheists, Buddhists, and Moslems are.
To paraphrase Chesterton, the fault is not in Christianity but in the people who practice it. Jesus's teachings are just as countercultural now as they were when he first spoke them. It's not surprising that so many of us fall short. As for Falwell, Robertson and their ilk, I don't consider them representative of Christianity any more than bin Laden is representative of Islam. Jesus did not come to stir up hate and fear, but exactly the opposite. His teachings can really be boiled down to "Love one another" and "Be not afraid," meaning have faith. A lot of Christians are wonderful people, just as a lot of atheists, Buddhists, and Moslems are.
Hahahahhahahahah... Bill O'Liely is named "Misinformer of the Year" by MMfA.
Hahahahhahahahah... Bill O'Liely is named "Misinformer of the Year" by MMfA.
As I'v noted before, I've always just responded to "Merry Christmas" by saying "Happy New Year." Keep this up you religious wackjobs, and I'll start responding by snarling, "I'm not xian and don't celebrate that holiday. Please stop shoving your religion down my throat."
It's amazing what these wackjobs can fuck up. Even as a non-xian, I've always just take "Merry Christmas" as a kind wish and returned a kind wish of my own.
How xian is it to snarl "Merry Christmas" at someone and frown if they don't use your exact words back? If that's what Jesus taught people to do, then Jesus is an ass.
As I'v noted before, I've always just responded to "Merry Christmas" by saying "Happy New Year." Keep this up you religious wackjobs, and I'll start responding by snarling, "I'm not xian and don't celebrate that holiday. Please stop shoving your religion down my throat."
It's amazing what these wackjobs can fuck up. Even as a non-xian, I've always just take "Merry Christmas" as a kind wish and returned a kind wish of my own.
How xian is it to snarl "Merry Christmas" at someone and frown if they don't use your exact words back? If that's what Jesus taught people to do, then Jesus is an ass.
Realistically, I don't see why religious Christians would want the birth of Christ to be deemed a "merry" occasion.
a recurring theme in medieval carols:
we celebrate Christmas because had not Mary given birth to the Christ Child, we would never have been saved from our sins.
More focused around the theological Christ than the historical Jesus, but then the original followers-of-Jesus movement had pretty much died out by 200 AD, and what hadn't died out had morphed into Pauline Christianity, the worship of Jesus the God by people who never knew him in the flesh.
The 16th century reformers tried to recapture the original Jesus movement, but they were so hung up on the idea of Jesus being a god that they couldn't get past it.
Realistically, I don't see why religious Christians would want the birth of Christ to be deemed a "merry" occasion.
a recurring theme in medieval carols:
we celebrate Christmas because had not Mary given birth to the Christ Child, we would never have been saved from our sins.
More focused around the theological Christ than the historical Jesus, but then the original followers-of-Jesus movement had pretty much died out by 200 AD, and what hadn't died out had morphed into Pauline Christianity, the worship of Jesus the God by people who never knew him in the flesh.
The 16th century reformers tried to recapture the original Jesus movement, but they were so hung up on the idea of Jesus being a god that they couldn't get past it.
Ah, General Christian, letting us laugh again ....
Ah, General Christian, letting us laugh again ....
you like to dance naked in the forest.
Guilty, as charged.
you like to dance naked in the forest.
Guilty, as charged.
Funny what happens to those vaunted "Judeo-Christian" values at certain times of the year. Screw you, Judeos, it's Christmas -- CHRISTMAS, and nothing else!
I like to say "Have a good holiday," because not only is the holiday nonspecific, the word itself can also just mean "vacation." (I use "holiday season" in writing.)
"Puhleeze" up-thread already mentioned something that I feel like I noticed yesterday -- I laid my "have a good holiday" on the guy at the chocolate shop, and he came back with a "Merry Christmas." I said "You too" before it occurred to me that he may have been rebuffing my secular/multiculti "holiday" with a churchly "Christmas." And it's pretty damn sad that now we have to deal with all this suspicion and sizing-up in our everyday interactions, which I haven't felt at all strongly in the past.
Funny what happens to those vaunted "Judeo-Christian" values at certain times of the year. Screw you, Judeos, it's Christmas -- CHRISTMAS, and nothing else!
I like to say "Have a good holiday," because not only is the holiday nonspecific, the word itself can also just mean "vacation." (I use "holiday season" in writing.)
"Puhleeze" up-thread already mentioned something that I feel like I noticed yesterday -- I laid my "have a good holiday" on the guy at the chocolate shop, and he came back with a "Merry Christmas." I said "You too" before it occurred to me that he may have been rebuffing my secular/multiculti "holiday" with a churchly "Christmas." And it's pretty damn sad that now we have to deal with all this suspicion and sizing-up in our everyday interactions, which I haven't felt at all strongly in the past.
Watertiger:
When it comes to you, I can't help
myself.
Watertiger:
When it comes to you, I can't help
myself.
ROFLMAO Seraphiel, that was one of the funniest cartoon bits I've ever seen and the perfect antidote to all this Xmas bickering that's going on.
Vicki, I lived in GR for 12 years - what part of town are you in? I lived by Metro for a while, then down by the Van Andel for a while.
ROFLMAO Seraphiel, that was one of the funniest cartoon bits I've ever seen and the perfect antidote to all this Xmas bickering that's going on.
Vicki, I lived in GR for 12 years - what part of town are you in? I lived by Metro for a while, then down by the Van Andel for a while.
I put the time there to good use by witnessing to the less fortunate in between bouts of Spartan-style wrestling.
Gen. JC Christian, patriot
You sir are celebrating Festivus not Christmas, your attacks on the "happy holidays" people is a airing of grievances, the spartan wrestling is the Feats of Strength, all you need is the aluminum pole and you got a Festivus Party.
I put the time there to good use by witnessing to the less fortunate in between bouts of Spartan-style wrestling.
Gen. JC Christian, patriot
You sir are celebrating Festivus not Christmas, your attacks on the "happy holidays" people is a airing of grievances, the spartan wrestling is the Feats of Strength, all you need is the aluminum pole and you got a Festivus Party.
Completely OT, I mean waaaaaay OT but....
Is it just me or does anyone else think Kos looks a bit like Tim Currey?
Completely OT, I mean waaaaaay OT but....
Is it just me or does anyone else think Kos looks a bit like Tim Currey?
Baby Jesus is under attack,
So says every TV and radio hack;
Those who don't pray,
Shouldn't have any say,
And on the bus they can sit in the back.
..
Baby Jesus is under attack,
So says every TV and radio hack;
Those who don't pray,
Shouldn't have any say,
And on the bus they can sit in the back.
..
Is it just me or does anyone else think Kos looks a bit like Tim Currey?
catalexis
I would have to see him in a leather bustier first.
Is it just me or does anyone else think Kos looks a bit like Tim Currey?
catalexis
I would have to see him in a leather bustier first.
The ability to comment on Eschaton without using Haloscan.
yeah, I don't get the whole haloscan thing either, given that Blogger has a perfectly reasonable comment function now, and that only the really hardcore geeks bother with trackback.
do people do it just for log stats?
The ability to comment on Eschaton without using Haloscan.
yeah, I don't get the whole haloscan thing either, given that Blogger has a perfectly reasonable comment function now, and that only the really hardcore geeks bother with trackback.
do people do it just for log stats?
Ripley,
I'm on Lake Michigan Drive, near the zoo, about a mile and half from the Van Andel. The house with the giant green peace sign in the front window.
Ripley,
I'm on Lake Michigan Drive, near the zoo, about a mile and half from the Van Andel. The house with the giant green peace sign in the front window.
Next thing . . . the Thought Police will come for my six-year-old for singing "Jingle Bells, Batman smells . . ." and "Deck the halls with smelly donkeys. . . "
Next thing . . . the Thought Police will come for my six-year-old for singing "Jingle Bells, Batman smells . . ." and "Deck the halls with smelly donkeys. . . "
If that's what Jesus taught people to do, then Jesus is an ass.
Aww, you're not being fair to poor Jesus, Hecate. His only Commandment was, "Love one another as I have loved you." It's not his fault that his followers have turned it into, "FUCK ALL OF YOU, I'M SAVED! BURN IN HELL, SUCKAS!"
You're not still bitter that we stole all of our iconography and celebrations from the pagans, are you? ;^)
If that's what Jesus taught people to do, then Jesus is an ass.
Aww, you're not being fair to poor Jesus, Hecate. His only Commandment was, "Love one another as I have loved you." It's not his fault that his followers have turned it into, "FUCK ALL OF YOU, I'M SAVED! BURN IN HELL, SUCKAS!"
You're not still bitter that we stole all of our iconography and celebrations from the pagans, are you? ;^)
Well, I won't be back at work until Dec. 28, so yesterday when I left work I wished everybody a merry Christmas, even the Arab grocer from whom I bought a pack of doughnuts. Now I'm going to play my Christmas cassettes (I'm technologically challenged) to forget that Christmas has been turned into another hate fest. Merry whatever, everybody.
Well, I won't be back at work until Dec. 28, so yesterday when I left work I wished everybody a merry Christmas, even the Arab grocer from whom I bought a pack of doughnuts. Now I'm going to play my Christmas cassettes (I'm technologically challenged) to forget that Christmas has been turned into another hate fest. Merry whatever, everybody.
Hecate, I admit to a certain cowardice in this area. I try to wait for the other person to greet me first. If he (or she) says "Merry Christmas," I respond in kind. If the greeting is "Happy holidays," then that's what I say. I see this whole "controversy" as a bunch of flapdoodle; a way of avoiding the real issue in Christmas, which is materialism.
Hecate, I admit to a certain cowardice in this area. I try to wait for the other person to greet me first. If he (or she) says "Merry Christmas," I respond in kind. If the greeting is "Happy holidays," then that's what I say. I see this whole "controversy" as a bunch of flapdoodle; a way of avoiding the real issue in Christmas, which is materialism.
I need an aluminum pole? What are you implying here?
My wife's a damned liar. You can't believe a damn word she she says. Go to hell.
Merry Christmas,
I need an aluminum pole? What are you implying here?
My wife's a damned liar. You can't believe a damn word she she says. Go to hell.
Merry Christmas,
When it comes to you, I can't help
myself.
U-oh, we're edging slowly closer to Divinyls locutions...
When it comes to you, I can't help
myself.
U-oh, we're edging slowly closer to Divinyls locutions...
i hate the easter bunny.
i hate the easter bunny.
Merry Jesusmore
Merry Jesusmore
catalexis ~
I don't think he looks like Tim Curry, but then I'm not sure what kos looks like in his Frank-N-Furter costume.
catalexis ~
I don't think he looks like Tim Curry, but then I'm not sure what kos looks like in his Frank-N-Furter costume.
Totally OT --
The Sci-Fi channel is right now
airing the notorious Space Hippies
episode of Star Trek. Tied with
Spock's Brain for the all time
worst of the series.
Goin' out to Eden, yeah Brothers...
Totally OT --
The Sci-Fi channel is right now
airing the notorious Space Hippies
episode of Star Trek. Tied with
Spock's Brain for the all time
worst of the series.
Goin' out to Eden, yeah Brothers...
Let the airing of grievances begin.
Begin?
Let the airing of grievances begin.
Begin?
you like to dance naked in the forest.
Guilty, as charged.
Hecate
I've always wanted a naked singing in the forest to mother earth. Sign String and me up sitting up on my head and who's acting totally crazy right now for next time.
you like to dance naked in the forest.
Guilty, as charged.
Hecate
I've always wanted a naked singing in the forest to mother earth. Sign String and me up sitting up on my head and who's acting totally crazy right now for next time.
Three Marines killed fighting insurgents in Falluja.
Good thing we broke their backs there, huh.
Three Marines killed fighting insurgents in Falluja.
Good thing we broke their backs there, huh.
...pretty much that whole third season.
With the exception of maybe "The Paradise Syndrome," which isn't half bad. And "Plato's Stepchildren," only because it features the amazing Michael Dunn (better known as the original Dr. Loveless).
As I've mentioned before, "The Lights of Zetar" is possible the worst episode... right up there with "The Cloud Minders" and "Turnabout Intruder."
"Spock's Brain," on the other hand, is a comic masterpiece!
...pretty much that whole third season.
With the exception of maybe "The Paradise Syndrome," which isn't half bad. And "Plato's Stepchildren," only because it features the amazing Michael Dunn (better known as the original Dr. Loveless).
As I've mentioned before, "The Lights of Zetar" is possible the worst episode... right up there with "The Cloud Minders" and "Turnabout Intruder."
"Spock's Brain," on the other hand, is a comic masterpiece!
Oh, and I'm thinking of converting to Mithraism.
I've been trying to do that for ten years now, but I can't find a lighted tauroctony scene for my front lawn.
Oh, and I'm thinking of converting to Mithraism.
I've been trying to do that for ten years now, but I can't find a lighted tauroctony scene for my front lawn.
Three Dead After Fighting in Fallujah
By NICK WADHAMS, Associated Press Writer
FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. Marines battled insurgents in Fallujah on Thursday, with warplanes dropping bombs and tanks shelling suspected guerrilla positions in the heaviest fighting in weeks, erupting as the first residents returned to the devastated city. At least three Marines were killed in the area, the military said.
hey Religeously Correct Right, what's the proper holiday greeting for the parents of these fallen... is it happy or merry?
...oh well when ya get done with the important stuff let me know.
.
Three Dead After Fighting in Fallujah
By NICK WADHAMS, Associated Press Writer
FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. Marines battled insurgents in Fallujah on Thursday, with warplanes dropping bombs and tanks shelling suspected guerrilla positions in the heaviest fighting in weeks, erupting as the first residents returned to the devastated city. At least three Marines were killed in the area, the military said.
hey Religeously Correct Right, what's the proper holiday greeting for the parents of these fallen... is it happy or merry?
...oh well when ya get done with the important stuff let me know.
.
Ther -
I saw the Divinyls when they were really new. Like in an audience of 10 at an outdoor music thing.
I still remember that concert. Like, amazing.
Ther -
I saw the Divinyls when they were really new. Like in an audience of 10 at an outdoor music thing.
I still remember that concert. Like, amazing.
Oh dear me no, not the early, wonderfully slutty Tim Currey, I mean the slightly pudgy (not that there's anything wrong with that) Tim of say, Clue, or Hunt for Red October.
Oh dear me no, not the early, wonderfully slutty Tim Currey, I mean the slightly pudgy (not that there's anything wrong with that) Tim of say, Clue, or Hunt for Red October.
Actually, pretty much that whole third season.
Ninety percent in agreement with you there, Roddy. Although I like "Spectre of the Gun." On the other hand, I hate "And the Children..." and "The Lights of Zetar" along with the others mentioned above. In a perfect world, the third-season boxed set would consist of eight episodes, your choice, priced accordingly.
Actually, pretty much that whole third season.
Ninety percent in agreement with you there, Roddy. Although I like "Spectre of the Gun." On the other hand, I hate "And the Children..." and "The Lights of Zetar" along with the others mentioned above. In a perfect world, the third-season boxed set would consist of eight episodes, your choice, priced accordingly.
Let's go back to our pagan European roots instead of the Oriental monotheism.
U-oh, we're edging slowly closer to Divinyls locutions...
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 1:44 pm | #
Funny you should mention...I just
downloaded that damn song last week.
No idea why.
Let's go back to our pagan European roots instead of the Oriental monotheism.
U-oh, we're edging slowly closer to Divinyls locutions...
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 1:44 pm | #
Funny you should mention...I just
downloaded that damn song last week.
No idea why.
Christmas used to be all about hookers and booze, the freepers have taken all the joy out of my holidays.
Christmas used to be all about hookers and booze, the freepers have taken all the joy out of my holidays.
I appears to me that many of the more zealous Christians get twisted up over the beams of light, walk on water, abracadabra water into wine magic show part of the faith and completely ignore the more important morality lessons of Jesus' philosphy.
I thought the Scopes trial put to rest the folly of interpreting the Bible as a literal chronology instead of a spiritual guidebook.
It appears I was mistaken.
I appears to me that many of the more zealous Christians get twisted up over the beams of light, walk on water, abracadabra water into wine magic show part of the faith and completely ignore the more important morality lessons of Jesus' philosphy.
I thought the Scopes trial put to rest the folly of interpreting the Bible as a literal chronology instead of a spiritual guidebook.
It appears I was mistaken.
The house with the giant green peace sign in the front window.
where does the red light go?
The house with the giant green peace sign in the front window.
where does the red light go?
yeah, I don't get the whole haloscan thing either, given that Blogger has a perfectly reasonable comment function now, and that only the really hardcore geeks bother with trackback.
I like haloscan. Unlike Blogger, commenters can establish an identity without registering. I know that a lot of people don't like that, but I've always enjoyed a wide open forum. It also allows me to play characters, and I love doing that.
yeah, I don't get the whole haloscan thing either, given that Blogger has a perfectly reasonable comment function now, and that only the really hardcore geeks bother with trackback.
I like haloscan. Unlike Blogger, commenters can establish an identity without registering. I know that a lot of people don't like that, but I've always enjoyed a wide open forum. It also allows me to play characters, and I love doing that.
Jesus wouldn't understand Christmas. I think he would find it silly.
He would, however, be quick to recognize the urgency of making the Middle East safe and clean for Jews.
Jesus wouldn't understand Christmas. I think he would find it silly.
He would, however, be quick to recognize the urgency of making the Middle East safe and clean for Jews.
Tena I was getting the MySql message last night.
Tena I was getting the MySql message last night.
theodoric...pretty hard to get around the idea of Jesus as God, since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, at least according to the Gospel of St. Matthew. And of course, St. John's Gospel laid the theological groundwork for the concept of Jesus as one with the Father. I've always felt the belief that Jesus is God made his teaching more compelling because it is the teaching of the Divine, not just some words of wisdom from a wandering preacher.
theodoric...pretty hard to get around the idea of Jesus as God, since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, at least according to the Gospel of St. Matthew. And of course, St. John's Gospel laid the theological groundwork for the concept of Jesus as one with the Father. I've always felt the belief that Jesus is God made his teaching more compelling because it is the teaching of the Divine, not just some words of wisdom from a wandering preacher.
Totally OT --
The Sci-Fi channel is right now
airing the notorious Space Hippies
episode of Star Trek. Tied with
Spock's Brain for the all time
worst of the series.
Gonna crack my knuckles,
Gonna jump for joy,
Got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!
Totally OT --
The Sci-Fi channel is right now
airing the notorious Space Hippies
episode of Star Trek. Tied with
Spock's Brain for the all time
worst of the series.
Gonna crack my knuckles,
Gonna jump for joy,
Got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy!
Hope I didn't offend you.
of course not.
I guess I need to start punctuating my jokes differently.
Hope I didn't offend you.
of course not.
I guess I need to start punctuating my jokes differently.
The house with the giant green peace sign in the front window.
where does the red light go?
theodoric
The other window, silly.
The house with the giant green peace sign in the front window.
where does the red light go?
theodoric
The other window, silly.
U-oh, we're edging slowly closer to Divinyls locutions...
Watch it Thersites, you can get pregnant if you touch yourself -- I learned that in my sexless-ed class!
U-oh, we're edging slowly closer to Divinyls locutions...
Watch it Thersites, you can get pregnant if you touch yourself -- I learned that in my sexless-ed class!
pretty hard to get around the idea of Jesus as God, since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, at least according to the Gospel of St. Matthew.
well, yeah, if you believe that, the rest pretty much follows.
I don't, though, at least not any more.
pretty hard to get around the idea of Jesus as God, since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, at least according to the Gospel of St. Matthew.
well, yeah, if you believe that, the rest pretty much follows.
I don't, though, at least not any more.
the freepers have taken all the joy out of my holidays.
krsaz
I'll put some joy back into your holidays! Come to momma!
the freepers have taken all the joy out of my holidays.
krsaz
I'll put some joy back into your holidays! Come to momma!
Funny you should mention...I just
downloaded that damn song last week.
No idea why.
Excellent... the experiment is thus gar a success, then...
Funny you should mention...I just
downloaded that damn song last week.
No idea why.
Excellent... the experiment is thus gar a success, then...
BetterYeti
Please remain where you are. The Thought Recovery Squad will be at your location shortly. Please be ready to provide any and all information on the whereabouts of your child. You may also be detained to determine if you were the source of the harmful influences on your child. You may also be questioned on the number of and location of co-conspirators that may have been involved in this thought crime. Again, please do not move from your current location.
Thanks and Happy Holidays
Thought Police Command of Homeland Security.
BetterYeti
Please remain where you are. The Thought Recovery Squad will be at your location shortly. Please be ready to provide any and all information on the whereabouts of your child. You may also be detained to determine if you were the source of the harmful influences on your child. You may also be questioned on the number of and location of co-conspirators that may have been involved in this thought crime. Again, please do not move from your current location.
Thanks and Happy Holidays
Thought Police Command of Homeland Security.
the rest pretty much follows.
I take that back. There are all kinds of other possible options that are precluded by Christian theology.
What I should have said is that if you believe (small-o) orthodox Christian teaching, then of course you should worship Jesus the God.
the rest pretty much follows.
I take that back. There are all kinds of other possible options that are precluded by Christian theology.
What I should have said is that if you believe (small-o) orthodox Christian teaching, then of course you should worship Jesus the God.
I've always felt the belief that Jesus is God made his teaching more compelling because it is the teaching of the Divine, not just some words of wisdom from a wandering preacher.
Fed up
That's why Mohammad didn't tell people that he was spreading the ideas of Allah, but rather the actual verbatim words channelled directly from Allah through him.
You've got to convince the peeps that you've got The Big Guy's number on your speed dialer if you want them to pay attantion.
I've always felt the belief that Jesus is God made his teaching more compelling because it is the teaching of the Divine, not just some words of wisdom from a wandering preacher.
Fed up
That's why Mohammad didn't tell people that he was spreading the ideas of Allah, but rather the actual verbatim words channelled directly from Allah through him.
You've got to convince the peeps that you've got The Big Guy's number on your speed dialer if you want them to pay attantion.
pretty hard to get around the idea of Jesus as God, since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, at least according to the Gospel of St. Matthew.
I dunno, my dad's a department store exeutive, and I'm in education.
pretty hard to get around the idea of Jesus as God, since Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, at least according to the Gospel of St. Matthew.
I dunno, my dad's a department store exeutive, and I'm in education.
It also allows me to play characters, and I love doing that.
I knew it. There's really only about six people in this crack house, and the rest of the comments are Gen. Christian fucking around.
A.
It also allows me to play characters, and I love doing that.
I knew it. There's really only about six people in this crack house, and the rest of the comments are Gen. Christian fucking around.
A.
We Vishnu a Hare Krishna!
We Vishnu a Hare Krishna!
Atrios,
you said it. I pretty much woke up thinking that I spent 8 days saying happy Chanukaha and on on the solstice...let's see...Oh, and one on thanksgiving..hell, even only one on halloween. I'm going to say Merry Christmas on Christmas day....if "they" want it more than one day, then they need to do a little more revisionist history and declare the kiddo of the monotheistic monarchy to have been born over the whole month.
And if they can get that going....then Mary really deserves her own cult, poor woman.
Here's one that pertinent to me today, Happy Winter Break! "Damn, it feels good to be a teacha."
Atrios,
you said it. I pretty much woke up thinking that I spent 8 days saying happy Chanukaha and on on the solstice...let's see...Oh, and one on thanksgiving..hell, even only one on halloween. I'm going to say Merry Christmas on Christmas day....if "they" want it more than one day, then they need to do a little more revisionist history and declare the kiddo of the monotheistic monarchy to have been born over the whole month.
And if they can get that going....then Mary really deserves her own cult, poor woman.
Here's one that pertinent to me today, Happy Winter Break! "Damn, it feels good to be a teacha."
String threw his food everywhere around so I don't know what that's about.
String threw his food everywhere around so I don't know what that's about.
Two-hundred and eighty-sixth!
Two-hundred and eighty-sixth!
amyc, that was an unexpected giggle.
amyc, that was an unexpected giggle.
"Spectre of the Gun" is one intense episode of Star Trek, although knowing what I now know, I laugh when they excuse the lack of props and scenery. It also has a lame cop-out of an ending. Guess what? Chekov never *really* died, after all.
It was more convincing when I was 8, and I wore a yellow turtleneck to school every day because Kirk was so cool.
"Spectre of the Gun" is one intense episode of Star Trek, although knowing what I now know, I laugh when they excuse the lack of props and scenery. It also has a lame cop-out of an ending. Guess what? Chekov never *really* died, after all.
It was more convincing when I was 8, and I wore a yellow turtleneck to school every day because Kirk was so cool.
< spousal_blogwhoring >
A picture says a thousand words.
< / spousal_blogwhoring >
< spousal_blogwhoring >
A picture says a thousand words.
< / spousal_blogwhoring >
That's why Mohammad didn't tell people that he was spreading the ideas of Allah, but rather the actual verbatim words channelled directly from Allah through him.
Even he knew better than to go around claiming to be God, though.
After all, he didn't have horns, or a winged hat, or eight arms, or anything.
That's why Mohammad didn't tell people that he was spreading the ideas of Allah, but rather the actual verbatim words channelled directly from Allah through him.
Even he knew better than to go around claiming to be God, though.
After all, he didn't have horns, or a winged hat, or eight arms, or anything.
How about instead of "happy holidays" we go "Merry Fucking Christmas season may Jesus cocksucking christ bless you."
That should keep the holiday nice and christian focused.
How about instead of "happy holidays" we go "Merry Fucking Christmas season may Jesus cocksucking christ bless you."
That should keep the holiday nice and christian focused.
Oh, and before you go ripping on the *entire* third season of Star Trek Classique, I believe "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," the one about racial peace, was a third season episode, and damn but that's a good episode.
Oh, and before you go ripping on the *entire* third season of Star Trek Classique, I believe "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," the one about racial peace, was a third season episode, and damn but that's a good episode.
What victim of murder, or war, or hunger doesn't die for our sins?
Besides, that tactic is ineffectual.
What about living for our virtues?
What victim of murder, or war, or hunger doesn't die for our sins?
Besides, that tactic is ineffectual.
What about living for our virtues?
Mormons believe that God and Jesus are seperate beings, literally the father and the son. There's a mother there too, but she isn't mentioned because people might make fun of her (I'm serious).
They also believe that we all can become Gods of our own universe if we live right and that God was once a regular mortal too.
I've yet to meet a Mormon who has put all of this tohether and come to the obvious conclusion--Jesus must have been a little wild the first time he was mortal, because he didn't get his own universe. He had to glom onto his dad's glory.
Mormons believe that God and Jesus are seperate beings, literally the father and the son. There's a mother there too, but she isn't mentioned because people might make fun of her (I'm serious).
They also believe that we all can become Gods of our own universe if we live right and that God was once a regular mortal too.
I've yet to meet a Mormon who has put all of this tohether and come to the obvious conclusion--Jesus must have been a little wild the first time he was mortal, because he didn't get his own universe. He had to glom onto his dad's glory.
OK, but I'm watching Burt Renolds in this homoerotic movie on amc ane he's in prison.
OK, but I'm watching Burt Renolds in this homoerotic movie on amc ane he's in prison.
Bert
Bert
Splitting for a while to do....
christmas shopping.
I'm so lame.
Back later.....
Splitting for a while to do....
christmas shopping.
I'm so lame.
Back later.....
He would, however, be quick to recognize the urgency of making the Middle East safe and clean for Jews.
no he wouldn't.
(actually, we have no reliable historical evidence one way or the other. but it's fun to argue.)
He would, however, be quick to recognize the urgency of making the Middle East safe and clean for Jews.
no he wouldn't.
(actually, we have no reliable historical evidence one way or the other. but it's fun to argue.)
I actually don't respond in kind to anyone, even store clerks, if the freeps want exclusive rights over "Merry Christmas" let em have it. I plan on grunting my responses to any "Merry Christmas" greatings. I would really appreciate it if the rethuglicans would get the fuck out dictating what every one must believe in order to be a good american.
You can be gay and be a good american
You can be black and be a good american
You can be jewish and be a good american
You can be an immigrant and be a good american
This is all about discrimination, conformity and bigotry.
I actually don't respond in kind to anyone, even store clerks, if the freeps want exclusive rights over "Merry Christmas" let em have it. I plan on grunting my responses to any "Merry Christmas" greatings. I would really appreciate it if the rethuglicans would get the fuck out dictating what every one must believe in order to be a good american.
You can be gay and be a good american
You can be black and be a good american
You can be jewish and be a good american
You can be an immigrant and be a good american
This is all about discrimination, conformity and bigotry.
It is touching that the Right has managed to transform the holiday season into another hate fest
What do you mean "transform"?
IIRC, festivals like Christmas, such as they were celebrated in the Middle Ages, were celebrated by getting drunk and killing Jews.
AFAIC, if the conservatives really wanna put Jesus back into Christmas, they wouldn't try to make it such a national holiday. As long as Christmas is a national holiday, in our secular nation, it will per force be a secular holiday.
Doesn't the right realize this? You would think a bunch of people obsessed against big gummint would realize that part of the reason for the wall between church and state is to protect the church side!
It is touching that the Right has managed to transform the holiday season into another hate fest
What do you mean "transform"?
IIRC, festivals like Christmas, such as they were celebrated in the Middle Ages, were celebrated by getting drunk and killing Jews.
AFAIC, if the conservatives really wanna put Jesus back into Christmas, they wouldn't try to make it such a national holiday. As long as Christmas is a national holiday, in our secular nation, it will per force be a secular holiday.
Doesn't the right realize this? You would think a bunch of people obsessed against big gummint would realize that part of the reason for the wall between church and state is to protect the church side!
Bert
Burt.
And you should thank God for makeup artists; Burt in person is not an attractive sight these days.
Bert
Burt.
And you should thank God for makeup artists; Burt in person is not an attractive sight these days.
Assuming the topic here is still Christmas, one of the commenters on Kevin Drum's blog did a post on his experience as a department store Santa. The payoff is at the end:
http://
www.washingtonmonthly.com...5371.php#378947
Assuming the topic here is still Christmas, one of the commenters on Kevin Drum's blog did a post on his experience as a department store Santa. The payoff is at the end:
http://
www.washingtonmonthly.com...5371.php#378947
So, Nota,
If Kerry is joining the recount effort, does that mean we can rely on him to stand up on January 6 and question the vote certification in the Senate? If he doesn't (and no other Democratic Senator will, either), than what the fuck should we care?
Until that revolution from the top happens, all of us, but especially those of us who worked their asses off to get Kerry elected, are screwed.
There, I've aired my grievance.
So, Nota,
If Kerry is joining the recount effort, does that mean we can rely on him to stand up on January 6 and question the vote certification in the Senate? If he doesn't (and no other Democratic Senator will, either), than what the fuck should we care?
Until that revolution from the top happens, all of us, but especially those of us who worked their asses off to get Kerry elected, are screwed.
There, I've aired my grievance.
Jesus must have been a little wild the first time he was mortal, because he didn't get his own universe. He had to glom onto his dad's glory.
patriotboy
Talk about your trust fund brats!
Jesus must have been a little wild the first time he was mortal, because he didn't get his own universe. He had to glom onto his dad's glory.
patriotboy
Talk about your trust fund brats!
Hey, Harrison Bergeron,
You take your Nom du Blogge from a Kurt Vonnegut short story, no?
Hey, Harrison Bergeron,
You take your Nom du Blogge from a Kurt Vonnegut short story, no?
D'oh! That's what I get for not using tinyurl. Here's the linky again:
http://tinyurl.com/3vvgg
One of these days I'll figure out in-line links.
D'oh! That's what I get for not using tinyurl. Here's the linky again:
http://tinyurl.com/3vvgg
One of these days I'll figure out in-line links.
theodoric...it's your right to believe or not believe, and I wouldn't have it any other way. And if one doesn't believe, I really don't understand why one would care anything about Christmas, much less celebrate it.
theodoric...it's your right to believe or not believe, and I wouldn't have it any other way. And if one doesn't believe, I really don't understand why one would care anything about Christmas, much less celebrate it.
They also believe that we all can become Gods of our own universe if we live right and that God was once a regular mortal too.
how do they solve the chicken/egg problem? turtles all the way down?
They also believe that we all can become Gods of our own universe if we live right and that God was once a regular mortal too.
how do they solve the chicken/egg problem? turtles all the way down?
Keep this up you religious wackjobs, and I'll start responding by snarling, "I'm not xian and don't celebrate that holiday. Please stop shoving your religion down my throat."
Hecate
Ah, you've unwittingly opened the door and there stands the problem, staring you in the face.
You can do that NOW. Because it's "okay" to be Jewish (I'm assuming; if you're not, just go with me on this...).
What these people want is for it NOT to be "okay" to be Jewish, as far as mainstream Amuricun culture goes. Taken to its furthest extreme, they'd have to bring back the death camps, and no, I'm not suggesting that that's reasonably ever gonna happen.
Remember: this is a CULTURE war. They wanna change what's "acceptable" and "not acceptable", with regard to the mainstream national conversation. And these people don't want Jewish culture to be something they have to look at when they go Xmas shopping or turn on their Tee Vee.
So, it's more likely they want to morph that national conversation into a "don't ask, don't tell" situation, if you're a Jew at Christmastime. So if a fundie wishes you "Merry Christmas", you shut up and say "thank you" (that is, until they start weeding-out the infidels who refuse to respond with an appropriate "Merry Christmas!" That's next).
Keep this up you religious wackjobs, and I'll start responding by snarling, "I'm not xian and don't celebrate that holiday. Please stop shoving your religion down my throat."
Hecate
Ah, you've unwittingly opened the door and there stands the problem, staring you in the face.
You can do that NOW. Because it's "okay" to be Jewish (I'm assuming; if you're not, just go with me on this...).
What these people want is for it NOT to be "okay" to be Jewish, as far as mainstream Amuricun culture goes. Taken to its furthest extreme, they'd have to bring back the death camps, and no, I'm not suggesting that that's reasonably ever gonna happen.
Remember: this is a CULTURE war. They wanna change what's "acceptable" and "not acceptable", with regard to the mainstream national conversation. And these people don't want Jewish culture to be something they have to look at when they go Xmas shopping or turn on their Tee Vee.
So, it's more likely they want to morph that national conversation into a "don't ask, don't tell" situation, if you're a Jew at Christmastime. So if a fundie wishes you "Merry Christmas", you shut up and say "thank you" (that is, until they start weeding-out the infidels who refuse to respond with an appropriate "Merry Christmas!" That's next).
Sorry for not chiming in earlier, but was on the subway, experiencing pre-Christmas crush.
Sorry for not chiming in earlier, but was on the subway, experiencing pre-Christmas crush.
BREAKING NEWS!
JESUS CANCELS CHRISTMAS! SAYS CHRISTIANS AREN'T FOLLOWING HIS MANDATE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
BREAKING NEWS!
JESUS CANCELS CHRISTMAS! SAYS CHRISTIANS AREN'T FOLLOWING HIS MANDATE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
For those that prefer their Xmas music to be slightly whacked,go here. Scroll down about halfway to "Seasonal Favorites."
I recommend "Silver bells" by Paul Simon and Steve Martin, and "Walkin' round in women's underwear."
Happy Holidays!
For those that prefer their Xmas music to be slightly whacked,go here. Scroll down about halfway to "Seasonal Favorites."
I recommend "Silver bells" by Paul Simon and Steve Martin, and "Walkin' round in women's underwear."
Happy Holidays!
So what's this? only HALF my comment made it in?
Ah, I haven't said the magic words:
Fuck YOU, Haloscan!
Excellent... the experiment is thus gar a success
"No, sir, it says 'I have a gub.'"
And Steve, I'm keeping an eye on you. Lucky for me, I have four of 'em.
So what's this? only HALF my comment made it in?
Ah, I haven't said the magic words:
Fuck YOU, Haloscan!
Excellent... the experiment is thus gar a success
"No, sir, it says 'I have a gub.'"
And Steve, I'm keeping an eye on you. Lucky for me, I have four of 'em.
how do they solve the chicken/egg problem? turtles all the way down?
Only apostates ask such questions. That's why I left the church.
how do they solve the chicken/egg problem? turtles all the way down?
Only apostates ask such questions. That's why I left the church.
By the way, Thers, Provan's playing tonight.
Shall I send your regards?
Until later,
peace all.
By the way, Thers, Provan's playing tonight.
Shall I send your regards?
Until later,
peace all.
You're not still bitter that we stole all of our iconography and celebrations from the pagans, are you?
We tell ourselves that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
You're not still bitter that we stole all of our iconography and celebrations from the pagans, are you?
We tell ourselves that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
One of the reasons for the great success of the secular practice of christmas in America in the 20th centurty is that it meshed so well with mainstream, politically moderate, christianity. With the decline of those sects and the hijacking of (especially Protestant) Christianity by the religious right, we can expect to hear more fundamentalist claims of victimization by secular society.
A defining element of all fundamentalist religion is the perception (usually true) that the fundamentalists have lost the historical battle for control of civilization. Fundamentalism tends not to prosper without the perception of this threat. Radical Islam and fundamentalist Christianity are no different in this regard.
The only difference between extremist Muslims and extremist Christians is that the former are on their way out the door first. It is inevitable that fundamentalist Christians will eventually turn to violence as mainstream (and corporate) western and international culture increasingly adopts pluralism and secularism.
The only remaining question is whether the religious right will take down America with it on its descent into the dustbin of history. (Think of the religious right as the Balrog and America as Gandalf on the Bridge of Khazad-dum in Moria, to use LOTR imagery.)
One of the reasons for the great success of the secular practice of christmas in America in the 20th centurty is that it meshed so well with mainstream, politically moderate, christianity. With the decline of those sects and the hijacking of (especially Protestant) Christianity by the religious right, we can expect to hear more fundamentalist claims of victimization by secular society.
A defining element of all fundamentalist religion is the perception (usually true) that the fundamentalists have lost the historical battle for control of civilization. Fundamentalism tends not to prosper without the perception of this threat. Radical Islam and fundamentalist Christianity are no different in this regard.
The only difference between extremist Muslims and extremist Christians is that the former are on their way out the door first. It is inevitable that fundamentalist Christians will eventually turn to violence as mainstream (and corporate) western and international culture increasingly adopts pluralism and secularism.
The only remaining question is whether the religious right will take down America with it on its descent into the dustbin of history. (Think of the religious right as the Balrog and America as Gandalf on the Bridge of Khazad-dum in Moria, to use LOTR imagery.)
[MERRY CHRIST MYTH!
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Okay, that has to be one of the weirdest things I've read in quite awhile.
[MERRY CHRIST MYTH!
T | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 1:51 pm | #]
Okay, that has to be one of the weirdest things I've read in quite awhile.
Why say "Happy Holidays"?
A) Covers multiple close holidays over 40 day period;
B) Encompasses all faiths and practices - wishes good cheer to all without offense;
C) Pisses off the f*cktard wingnuts and radical christian fundamentalist freaks.
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Merry Christmas.
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Why say "Happy Holidays"?
A) Covers multiple close holidays over 40 day period;
B) Encompasses all faiths and practices - wishes good cheer to all without offense;
C) Pisses off the f*cktard wingnuts and radical christian fundamentalist freaks.
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Merry Christmas.
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Remember: this is a CULTURE war. They wanna change what's "acceptable" and "not acceptable", with regard to the mainstream national conversation. And these people don't want Jewish culture to be something they have to look at when they go Xmas shopping or turn on their Tee Vee.
Very perceptive, IMHO.
A few thoughts from a Jew ...
* It is only recently that we Jews became truly "white"/no longer "exotic" ... I remember as a kid it was different. The big change occurred, from my memory, during the Clinton years - of course, it could have occurred earlier in other parts of the country, but in fundie-land, it wasn't until my senior year of high school
* AFAIC, if the fundies don't want to have to be exposed to Jewish culture, why do we have to be exposed to Christian observances? Why is it anti-Christian for us to not want to be so exposed? By those standards are the fundies anti-Semitic? Or do they truly not understand the Golden Rule? So much for following Jesus ...
Of course, the fundies want us to go back to Israel or something. The frightening thing is people like Bobo who kiss up to them. I nominate Bobo for last Jew to leave Germany?
Remember: this is a CULTURE war. They wanna change what's "acceptable" and "not acceptable", with regard to the mainstream national conversation. And these people don't want Jewish culture to be something they have to look at when they go Xmas shopping or turn on their Tee Vee.
Very perceptive, IMHO.
A few thoughts from a Jew ...
* It is only recently that we Jews became truly "white"/no longer "exotic" ... I remember as a kid it was different. The big change occurred, from my memory, during the Clinton years - of course, it could have occurred earlier in other parts of the country, but in fundie-land, it wasn't until my senior year of high school
* AFAIC, if the fundies don't want to have to be exposed to Jewish culture, why do we have to be exposed to Christian observances? Why is it anti-Christian for us to not want to be so exposed? By those standards are the fundies anti-Semitic? Or do they truly not understand the Golden Rule? So much for following Jesus ...
Of course, the fundies want us to go back to Israel or something. The frightening thing is people like Bobo who kiss up to them. I nominate Bobo for last Jew to leave Germany?
If Baby Jesus really wanted us to celebrate his birthday... well... the first thing is - it isn't December 25th. December 25th was part of co-opting pagans who didn't want to give up the retail sales that surged around the solstice.
If Baby Jesus really wanted us to celebrate his birthday... well... the first thing is - it isn't December 25th. December 25th was part of co-opting pagans who didn't want to give up the retail sales that surged around the solstice.
You can do that NOW. Because it's "okay" to be Jewish (I'm assuming; if you're not, just go with me on this...).
Agreed, it's a war, but it's a religious war, a fatwa.
And I'm much worse than a Jew in the xian hierarcy of bad people.
You can do that NOW. Because it's "okay" to be Jewish (I'm assuming; if you're not, just go with me on this...).
Agreed, it's a war, but it's a religious war, a fatwa.
And I'm much worse than a Jew in the xian hierarcy of bad people.
A bit of a blogwhoring here. I went looking for the Anna Quinlen article mentioned upthread, and instead found an interview with Rev. Franklin Graham.
Aiee.
At my homepage.
A bit of a blogwhoring here. I went looking for the Anna Quinlen article mentioned upthread, and instead found an interview with Rev. Franklin Graham.
Aiee.
At my homepage.
if one doesn't believe, I really don't understand why one would care anything about Christmas
and I don't, frankly. I miss singing in the church choir sometimes, but that's about it.
Christmas is just family time for us, with a little bit of tension at the traditional Wesleyan Grace Over Meals (one of my brothers is Catholic, another is Baptist, and I'm probably closer to Taoist these days than anything else).
It's worth noting, though, that there are plenty of perfectly respectable Protestants around these parts that don't care much for Christmas either.
if one doesn't believe, I really don't understand why one would care anything about Christmas
and I don't, frankly. I miss singing in the church choir sometimes, but that's about it.
Christmas is just family time for us, with a little bit of tension at the traditional Wesleyan Grace Over Meals (one of my brothers is Catholic, another is Baptist, and I'm probably closer to Taoist these days than anything else).
It's worth noting, though, that there are plenty of perfectly respectable Protestants around these parts that don't care much for Christmas either.
The only difference between extremist Muslims and extremist Christians
My foreign student flatmates are always amazed about the coverage of Islamic fundies when our fundies are really no different.
The odd thing is that if you point this parallelism to a red-stater type, the automatic response is "why do you hate America?"
The only difference between extremist Muslims and extremist Christians
My foreign student flatmates are always amazed about the coverage of Islamic fundies when our fundies are really no different.
The odd thing is that if you point this parallelism to a red-stater type, the automatic response is "why do you hate America?"
I nominate Bobo for last Jew to leave Germany?
I nominate Bobo for Last Man to Die for a Mistake.
I nominate Bobo for last Jew to leave Germany?
I nominate Bobo for Last Man to Die for a Mistake.
Smitty - "Well well well. Looks like we got ourselves a reader." I'd give you a cyberprize, but all's I got here is some stale holiday candy and a bottle cap granting the bearer one free song from some online music store.
As for TOS season 3, we agree. The thing about "...Last Battlefield" that annoys me is that in the syndication cut, they took out most of the self-destruct sequence, which to me was an iconic Star Trek scene.
Smitty - "Well well well. Looks like we got ourselves a reader." I'd give you a cyberprize, but all's I got here is some stale holiday candy and a bottle cap granting the bearer one free song from some online music store.
As for TOS season 3, we agree. The thing about "...Last Battlefield" that annoys me is that in the syndication cut, they took out most of the self-destruct sequence, which to me was an iconic Star Trek scene.
Bill orates
are you listening?
A mad light
in eyes glistening
A beautiful sight
be happy tonight
walking in a wingnut wonderland
Gone away is John Kerry
here to stay Joe and Larry
And don't forget Moe
we're all gonna go
walking in a wingnut wonderland
On Bill's show we can build a straw man
then pretend every liberal is a clown
He'll say: Yay Saddam!
we'll say: No man!
What fun it is
to knock a straw man down
Later on
we'll conspire
throwing books on the fire
To face unafraid
the new Reich we have made
walking in a wingnut wonderland
On Bill's show we can build a straw man
then pretend every liberal is a clown
He'll say: Down with Xmas!
we'll say: No man!
What fun it is
to knock a straw man down
When Bush speaks
ain't it thrilling
though your heart may be chilling
We'll frolic and play
it's our children who'll pay
walking in a wingnut wonderland
Walking in a wingnut wonderland
walking in a wingnut wonderland
..
Bill orates
are you listening?
A mad light
in eyes glistening
A beautiful sight
be happy tonight
walking in a wingnut wonderland
Gone away is John Kerry
here to stay Joe and Larry
And don't forget Moe
we're all gonna go
walking in a wingnut wonderland
On Bill's show we can build a straw man
then pretend every liberal is a clown
He'll say: Yay Saddam!
we'll say: No man!
What fun it is
to knock a straw man down
Later on
we'll conspire
throwing books on the fire
To face unafraid
the new Reich we have made
walking in a wingnut wonderland
On Bill's show we can build a straw man
then pretend every liberal is a clown
He'll say: Down with Xmas!
we'll say: No man!
What fun it is
to knock a straw man down
When Bush speaks
ain't it thrilling
though your heart may be chilling
We'll frolic and play
it's our children who'll pay
walking in a wingnut wonderland
Walking in a wingnut wonderland
walking in a wingnut wonderland
..
Zoo holiday greetings:
Wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose,
Wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose,
wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose,
Panda hippo gnu deer!
Enjoyed this thread immensely. Whatever you want to call it, have a happy and safe one Eschatonian/Atriots.
Zoo holiday greetings:
Wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose,
Wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose,
wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose,
Panda hippo gnu deer!
Enjoyed this thread immensely. Whatever you want to call it, have a happy and safe one Eschatonian/Atriots.
nattering nabob,
Most excellent.
nattering nabob,
Most excellent.
Central Scrutinizer:
Have everybody build a huge Nativity scene in their front yards with that version of O! Holy Night blaring on high-stack speakers and I'll guarantee you that this dustup over the proper observance of Christmas will "leave the building" immediately!
Central Scrutinizer:
Have everybody build a huge Nativity scene in their front yards with that version of O! Holy Night blaring on high-stack speakers and I'll guarantee you that this dustup over the proper observance of Christmas will "leave the building" immediately!
Christmas is just family time for us, with a little bit of tension at the traditional Wesleyan Grace Over Meals (one of my brothers is Catholic, another is Baptist, and I'm probably closer to Taoist these days than anything else).
Theodoric, it sounds like your family's Christmas song should be that old classic by the Ramones, "Merry Christmas (I Don't Want To Fight Tonight)."
Christmas is just family time for us, with a little bit of tension at the traditional Wesleyan Grace Over Meals (one of my brothers is Catholic, another is Baptist, and I'm probably closer to Taoist these days than anything else).
Theodoric, it sounds like your family's Christmas song should be that old classic by the Ramones, "Merry Christmas (I Don't Want To Fight Tonight)."
Pisses off the f*cktard wingnuts and radical christian fundamentalist freaks.
note that even the fundies with any brains (up to and including Falwell, I imagine) are going to be saying "Happy Holidays" themselves when addressing the general public, because it enables them to claim that they're tolerant and inclusive.
you have to be pretty far gone not to.
Pisses off the f*cktard wingnuts and radical christian fundamentalist freaks.
note that even the fundies with any brains (up to and including Falwell, I imagine) are going to be saying "Happy Holidays" themselves when addressing the general public, because it enables them to claim that they're tolerant and inclusive.
you have to be pretty far gone not to.
You're not still bitter that we stole all of our iconography and celebrations from the pagans, are you?
We tell ourselves that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Hecate
God, I love you! It would be an honor to have someone like you in my circle of friends! Happy Festivus!
You're not still bitter that we stole all of our iconography and celebrations from the pagans, are you?
We tell ourselves that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Hecate
God, I love you! It would be an honor to have someone like you in my circle of friends! Happy Festivus!
Just makes me scratch my head.
Just makes me scratch my head.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...hinkingabortion
Woo left rev., I'm saving that one.
Woo left rev., I'm saving that one.
By the way, Thers, Provan's playing tonight.
Shall I send your regards?
Scream for them to play "Red Shirt."
It's their very own "Weed King."
By the way, Thers, Provan's playing tonight.
Shall I send your regards?
Scream for them to play "Red Shirt."
It's their very own "Weed King."
Hallowed Scam cut my mike!
D'oh!
Hallowed Scam cut my mike!
D'oh!
It sounds like your family's Christmas song should be that old classic by the Ramones
As long as nobody mentions politics, we're fine.
It sounds like your family's Christmas song should be that old classic by the Ramones
As long as nobody mentions politics, we're fine.
I think the Jews in this country have always been exceedingly polite about responding to "merry christmas". The so-called christians are the rude and insensitive contingent. They do not even appreciate our acquiesence.
When you think of it, we could have gone ballistic a long time ago.
FUCK THEM.
I think the Jews in this country have always been exceedingly polite about responding to "merry christmas". The so-called christians are the rude and insensitive contingent. They do not even appreciate our acquiesence.
When you think of it, we could have gone ballistic a long time ago.
FUCK THEM.
DAS -- interesting observations. They reminded me of the Doonesbury strip from 11/25/73:
"Mark, what's the matter with you? Why do you always reject people of your own background?"
"Dad, I --"
"It's true! All your friends are either weirdos or Blacks! I bet you've even been dating some Jewish girl!"
"Dad, WE'RE Jewish!!"
"Oh... that's right."
"Give my best to Mom!"
DAS -- interesting observations. They reminded me of the Doonesbury strip from 11/25/73:
"Mark, what's the matter with you? Why do you always reject people of your own background?"
"Dad, I --"
"It's true! All your friends are either weirdos or Blacks! I bet you've even been dating some Jewish girl!"
"Dad, WE'RE Jewish!!"
"Oh... that's right."
"Give my best to Mom!"
So...filkertom, did you find the Anna Quindlen article after all?
And I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Franklin Graham interview. AIIEEEEE!
What does he mean when he says he repects Muslims but that doesn't stop him from wanting to "help" them? Yikes, dude.
So...filkertom, did you find the Anna Quindlen article after all?
And I wholeheartedly agree with you on the Franklin Graham interview. AIIEEEEE!
What does he mean when he says he repects Muslims but that doesn't stop him from wanting to "help" them? Yikes, dude.
Happy Festivus and Merry fucking and I love you guys!
I have to finish up for the day.
Happy Festivus and Merry fucking and I love you guys!
I have to finish up for the day.
nattering nabob, Brilliant!
nattering nabob, Brilliant!
South African "Calendar Boys" to raise a seasonal smile.
South African "Calendar Boys" to raise a seasonal smile.
Happy Jesus... that can just be the new American greeting 24/7/365
Happy Jesus... that can just be the new American greeting 24/7/365
Jenny -- it just shows how psychotic things have gotten in this misbegotten experiment in freedom when wishing somebody well is considered an attack on their faith.
Heh. Having said -- well, typed -- that out loud, I'm now reminded of myths and folk tales where some holy person isn't greeted in the accepted polite manner, and, being a fucking unstable freak, he or she blights an entire nation until some shmuck can fulfull thirteen impossible conditions and retrieve the Stuff of Turducken from the evil Overlord of Pomade.
Jenny -- it just shows how psychotic things have gotten in this misbegotten experiment in freedom when wishing somebody well is considered an attack on their faith.
Heh. Having said -- well, typed -- that out loud, I'm now reminded of myths and folk tales where some holy person isn't greeted in the accepted polite manner, and, being a fucking unstable freak, he or she blights an entire nation until some shmuck can fulfull thirteen impossible conditions and retrieve the Stuff of Turducken from the evil Overlord of Pomade.
Dixon,
The vocals in that version makes William Hung sound like Pavoratti in comparison.
Dixon,
The vocals in that version makes William Hung sound like Pavoratti in comparison.
theodoric...early Christians didn't care either. Christmas wasn't celebrated for the first four hundred years or so of Christianity. Personally, I don't care what religion, if any, a person practices, and I have no interest in forcing my beliefs on anyone, most certainly not in the form of spending tax dollars on what are essentially denominational beliefs. As you might imagine, this attitude puts me in direct conflict with the fundamentalists. So be it. Belief or nonbelief is first and foremost a matter of individual conscience, and I'm in agreement with Thomas Jefferson that no government can or should compel that.
theodoric...early Christians didn't care either. Christmas wasn't celebrated for the first four hundred years or so of Christianity. Personally, I don't care what religion, if any, a person practices, and I have no interest in forcing my beliefs on anyone, most certainly not in the form of spending tax dollars on what are essentially denominational beliefs. As you might imagine, this attitude puts me in direct conflict with the fundamentalists. So be it. Belief or nonbelief is first and foremost a matter of individual conscience, and I'm in agreement with Thomas Jefferson that no government can or should compel that.
nabob -- kewl!
Vicki -- take care! Are you gonna be around this weekend?
mothra -- I actually just tweaked the post. It was so all-encompassing and so numbing I missed commenting specifically on that part. So, he respects the Islamic religion... but he thinks Muslims need his help. Fuckwit.
And, no, I never did find the Quinlen article. I'll track it down later.
nabob -- kewl!
Vicki -- take care! Are you gonna be around this weekend?
mothra -- I actually just tweaked the post. It was so all-encompassing and so numbing I missed commenting specifically on that part. So, he respects the Islamic religion... but he thinks Muslims need his help. Fuckwit.
And, no, I never did find the Quinlen article. I'll track it down later.
Quindlen. Quindlen. I kan spel, rilly.
Quindlen. Quindlen. I kan spel, rilly.
left rev.
Posted your zoo missive. It is now bedeviling half of the office place here.
Thanks
left rev.
Posted your zoo missive. It is now bedeviling half of the office place here.
Thanks
I'm in agreement with Thomas Jefferson that no government can or should compel that.
Fed up
or be compelled by it.
I'm in agreement with Thomas Jefferson that no government can or should compel that.
Fed up
or be compelled by it.
And another thing: I got together with a Jewish friend last week and as we were parting I asked him what he was up to for the holidays. I remember feeling a little stupid--because his holidays had actually just ended, but he knew what I REALLY meant--what was he up to for the days off of work coming up.
Good thing no fundies were around--their heads would have popped.
And another thing: I got together with a Jewish friend last week and as we were parting I asked him what he was up to for the holidays. I remember feeling a little stupid--because his holidays had actually just ended, but he knew what I REALLY meant--what was he up to for the days off of work coming up.
Good thing no fundies were around--their heads would have popped.
Funny how Dr. Krauthammer Strangelove will get up out of his wheelchair to defend facism in Jesus' name.
Funny how Dr. Krauthammer Strangelove will get up out of his wheelchair to defend facism in Jesus' name.
Vicki:
Santa's the only one who can cancel keyristmas.
Vicki:
Santa's the only one who can cancel keyristmas.
filkertom,
Yes, I'll definitely be popping in and out. Christmas Day may be iffy ~ heading to the parents for the morning and I'm hosting a small party for a few of my friends on Saturday night...should be a gas.
I'm one of those people who could have a good time in a dumpster, though.
Life is what you make it!
Happy Holy Days!
filkertom,
Yes, I'll definitely be popping in and out. Christmas Day may be iffy ~ heading to the parents for the morning and I'm hosting a small party for a few of my friends on Saturday night...should be a gas.
I'm one of those people who could have a good time in a dumpster, though.
Life is what you make it!
Happy Holy Days!
It would be an honor to have someone like you in my circle of friends!
Not too long ago I said to someone, "Well a friend of mine said...," and realized I was about to quote someone from this blog. I went ahead, after a short pause, because I decided you all are friends of mine. I love the internets!
It would be an honor to have someone like you in my circle of friends!
Not too long ago I said to someone, "Well a friend of mine said...," and realized I was about to quote someone from this blog. I went ahead, after a short pause, because I decided you all are friends of mine. I love the internets!
I'm your friend, too Hecate?
You like me...
You really like me!
I'm your friend, too Hecate?
You like me...
You really like me!
Santa's the only one who can cancel keyristmas.
krsaz
Tell Santa I'm sorry I left him out of the fucking...Didn't mean to. In fact, I'm looking forward to that ride in his one horse sleigh....
hey hey hey!
Santa's the only one who can cancel keyristmas.
krsaz
Tell Santa I'm sorry I left him out of the fucking...Didn't mean to. In fact, I'm looking forward to that ride in his one horse sleigh....
hey hey hey!
Ok, Iron Fist, not you. I've had a lot of weird friends in my life, but a girl's gotta draw the line somewhere, you satire troll, you.
Ok, Iron Fist, not you. I've had a lot of weird friends in my life, but a girl's gotta draw the line somewhere, you satire troll, you.
so many nice Republicans in this holding tank...
so many nice Republicans in this holding tank...
Does Santa only bring toys to Christians?
What about families that have members of several religions.
Only some of them get toys?
What are the Kringle ground rulz?
Does Santa only bring toys to Christians?
What about families that have members of several religions.
Only some of them get toys?
What are the Kringle ground rulz?
because I decided you all are friends of mine.
Hecate. I do the same thing, reflexively mixing the great people here with my flesh and bones world. I love it!
because I decided you all are friends of mine.
Hecate. I do the same thing, reflexively mixing the great people here with my flesh and bones world. I love it!
Hey, check this out.
Opera releases new talking Web browser
The new, as-yet-unnamed software adds stronger support for RSS (Really Simple Syndication)--a technology widely used for automatic access to blogs and other material--and technology that allows users to navigate through voice commands and have Web pages read to them.
Hey, check this out.
Opera releases new talking Web browser
The new, as-yet-unnamed software adds stronger support for RSS (Really Simple Syndication)--a technology widely used for automatic access to blogs and other material--and technology that allows users to navigate through voice commands and have Web pages read to them.
Vicki -- kewl. We already did the family gathering this past weekend, so I'm planning to savor the day itself and play some Doom 3, blowing up monsters in the name of Baby Jeebus. Unless I declare myself Jewish for the day and do Chinese and a movie....
Hecate -- the past couple of years here have been fantastic. There are a couple dozen regulars, present company included, that I consider at least like "con friends", i.e., buddies I hang out with at science fiction conventions. I'd love to meet several of you, and I think we'd all have a blast.
Vicki -- kewl. We already did the family gathering this past weekend, so I'm planning to savor the day itself and play some Doom 3, blowing up monsters in the name of Baby Jeebus. Unless I declare myself Jewish for the day and do Chinese and a movie....
Hecate -- the past couple of years here have been fantastic. There are a couple dozen regulars, present company included, that I consider at least like "con friends", i.e., buddies I hang out with at science fiction conventions. I'd love to meet several of you, and I think we'd all have a blast.
Does Santa only bring toys to Christians?
What about families that have members of several religions.
Only some of them get toys?
What are the Kringle ground rulz?
Dixon Cox | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 2:52 pm
My friend, I think you need to sit down with Santa Claus Is Coming To Town. Matter of fact, so do I.
Does Santa only bring toys to Christians?
What about families that have members of several religions.
Only some of them get toys?
What are the Kringle ground rulz?
Dixon Cox | Email | Homepage | 12.23.04 - 2:52 pm
My friend, I think you need to sit down with Santa Claus Is Coming To Town. Matter of fact, so do I.
I propose a new name for christmas, how about:
JesusHChristmas
I propose a new name for christmas, how about:
JesusHChristmas
I'd love to meet several of you, and I think we'd all have a blast.
What Filkertom said.
I'd love to meet several of you, and I think we'd all have a blast.
What Filkertom said.
I applaud the idea of a huge Eschaton party somewhere. I miss you guys after a few days of being away. I say to Mr. Athenae, "I wonder what the bloggers are up to."
There's so much love in this virtual room.
Happy Holidays, all!
A.
I applaud the idea of a huge Eschaton party somewhere. I miss you guys after a few days of being away. I say to Mr. Athenae, "I wonder what the bloggers are up to."
There's so much love in this virtual room.
Happy Holidays, all!
A.
Central -- that's spiff. Real has something like that, but they charge for it. Time to check out the Firefox Extensions page....
Central -- that's spiff. Real has something like that, but they charge for it. Time to check out the Firefox Extensions page....
filkertom: well, some wingnut preacher here organized a pamphlet drop over Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War--advising them how they were condemned to hell unless they accepted Jesus into their lives and if they wanted to know more, then they could ask the friendly U.S. servicepeople stationed right there!
No. Really. All together now: Aieeeeee!
filkertom: well, some wingnut preacher here organized a pamphlet drop over Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War--advising them how they were condemned to hell unless they accepted Jesus into their lives and if they wanted to know more, then they could ask the friendly U.S. servicepeople stationed right there!
No. Really. All together now: Aieeeeee!
filkertom,
Next time the Indigo Girls play in Ann Arbor, or Sons of the Never Wrong, I'll be heading to your area. I love Ann Arbor, my sister and her husband lived there for years while they were in school. Anyway, I'll let you know, and we can hook up, if you'd like. I'll look forward to it.
filkertom,
Next time the Indigo Girls play in Ann Arbor, or Sons of the Never Wrong, I'll be heading to your area. I love Ann Arbor, my sister and her husband lived there for years while they were in school. Anyway, I'll let you know, and we can hook up, if you'd like. I'll look forward to it.
Happy JesusHChristmas to all liberals and progressives. Republicans can go fuck yourselves.
Happy JesusHChristmas to all liberals and progressives. Republicans can go fuck yourselves.
My friend, I think you need to sit down with Santa Claus Is Coming To Town. Matter of fact, so do I.
filkertom
That would only make me feel like I'm on the Island of Broken Toys.
Besides, Wal-Mart has optioned the rights to The North Pole (TM) and has outsourced the elves' work to Malaysia.
My friend, I think you need to sit down with Santa Claus Is Coming To Town. Matter of fact, so do I.
filkertom
That would only make me feel like I'm on the Island of Broken Toys.
Besides, Wal-Mart has optioned the rights to The North Pole (TM) and has outsourced the elves' work to Malaysia.
Well, we're breaking with tradition this year: Japanese food (teppan table) and a movie.
Well, we're breaking with tradition this year: Japanese food (teppan table) and a movie.
Don't know if anyone's seen Bill Donohue's (Jews run Hollywood) Catholic League screed regarding holiday's for atheists. What a hoot.
Don't know if anyone's seen Bill Donohue's (Jews run Hollywood) Catholic League screed regarding holiday's for atheists. What a hoot.
Or was that Rudolph?
It's been a while.
Or was that Rudolph?
It's been a while.
Happy JesusHChristmas on a Popsicle Stick, krsaz!
H stands for (fill in the blank).
Happy JesusHChristmas on a Popsicle Stick, krsaz!
H stands for (fill in the blank).
Athenae -
Happy holidays to you and the ferrets and to all who post and lurk (and even troll) here.
(We have a lot to be thankful for, don't we? None of us lives on Fallujah and Vine, so we're pretty fortunate...)
Athenae -
Happy holidays to you and the ferrets and to all who post and lurk (and even troll) here.
(We have a lot to be thankful for, don't we? None of us lives on Fallujah and Vine, so we're pretty fortunate...)
Happy Festivus!
Vicki
My oldest is now 2 1/2. It is time for her to know of our great heritage. Being made of aluminum, I believe the pole is light enough for her to drag up from the basement this year. It may be a long Festivus, as my lower back has been tweaking and my wife (who wears the pants) is pretty strong. All she really needs to do to keep it going is kick me repeatedly in the lumbar.
Happy Festivus!
Vicki
My oldest is now 2 1/2. It is time for her to know of our great heritage. Being made of aluminum, I believe the pole is light enough for her to drag up from the basement this year. It may be a long Festivus, as my lower back has been tweaking and my wife (who wears the pants) is pretty strong. All she really needs to do to keep it going is kick me repeatedly in the lumbar.
Harrison,
If I'm not mistaken, the Vonnegut story in question involved a society where everybody was equal, so that great musicians had to perform with gloves on or other prosthetics to make them equal with the poor musicians, and athletic people had to wear orthotic shoes to make them clumsy and slow, and people with good eyesight had to wear thick glasses.
Now, here's a question for you: Where's my nom du blogge come from?
Don't nobody give him no hints either. I want to see if he's up on his trash TV.
Harrison,
If I'm not mistaken, the Vonnegut story in question involved a society where everybody was equal, so that great musicians had to perform with gloves on or other prosthetics to make them equal with the poor musicians, and athletic people had to wear orthotic shoes to make them clumsy and slow, and people with good eyesight had to wear thick glasses.
Now, here's a question for you: Where's my nom du blogge come from?
Don't nobody give him no hints either. I want to see if he's up on his trash TV.
Can somebody pen a Rudolph parody starring Guiliani and Kerik?
nabob?
kono?
Can somebody pen a Rudolph parody starring Guiliani and Kerik?
nabob?
kono?
Well, we're breaking with tradition this year: Japanese food (teppan table) and a movie.
deja pseu
Tres chic!
Well, we're breaking with tradition this year: Japanese food (teppan table) and a movie.
deja pseu
Tres chic!
If Kerry is joining the recount effort, does that mean we can rely on him to stand up on January 6 and question the vote certification in the Senate? If he doesn't (and no other Democratic Senator will, either), than what the fuck should we care?
Well Ignoreland, I can't speak for you.
I was just passing along some info.
But if, in fact, the Rethugs who had the motive and opportunity to rig the vote count, actually did so, then I personally would like some discovery and inspection of impounded machines and precinct books. Ya know, so that maybe they won't be able to do it next time.
None of this will happen unless a judge is convinced that one of the plaintiffs has a substantial chance of success on merits.
If Kerry is joining the recount effort, does that mean we can rely on him to stand up on January 6 and question the vote certification in the Senate? If he doesn't (and no other Democratic Senator will, either), than what the fuck should we care?
Well Ignoreland, I can't speak for you.
I was just passing along some info.
But if, in fact, the Rethugs who had the motive and opportunity to rig the vote count, actually did so, then I personally would like some discovery and inspection of impounded machines and precinct books. Ya know, so that maybe they won't be able to do it next time.
None of this will happen unless a judge is convinced that one of the plaintiffs has a substantial chance of success on merits.
You know if the mighty Whirlitzer is wasting spin cycles on this "Secular Humanists trying to distro Christmas" crap. It reaally makes me wonder what is going on that they DONT want us to notice.
Once you get them broken in, tin-foil hats are really comfortable!
You know if the mighty Whirlitzer is wasting spin cycles on this "Secular Humanists trying to distro Christmas" crap. It reaally makes me wonder what is going on that they DONT want us to notice.
Once you get them broken in, tin-foil hats are really comfortable!
Well, why the heck not? What are the chances of coordinating a mailing list, figuring out from there a few possible central locations (protecting privacy as much as reasonable), or else just picking Philly for the sake of our Founder & Benefactor, and getting together some carefully-timed weekend?
Not a holiday, e.g., Memorial Day or 4th of July -- people often have long-planned trips or functions for those. Something like mid-June or late July. Nothing fancy -- heck, we could just take over a function room at a Holiday Inn or something.
Or we could even gather at some centrally-located medium-to-large existing SF convention, where politics tends to run hot & heavy anyways and they'd even look upon it as a draw, if you can believe that, for Atrios, A., Tena, et al., to crack wise on blogging and the technological influence of the web. Heck, we might be able to con 'em into making one or three of you paid guests.
I'm completely serious. I should talk to my connections at MarCon and PhilCon....
Well, why the heck not? What are the chances of coordinating a mailing list, figuring out from there a few possible central locations (protecting privacy as much as reasonable), or else just picking Philly for the sake of our Founder & Benefactor, and getting together some carefully-timed weekend?
Not a holiday, e.g., Memorial Day or 4th of July -- people often have long-planned trips or functions for those. Something like mid-June or late July. Nothing fancy -- heck, we could just take over a function room at a Holiday Inn or something.
Or we could even gather at some centrally-located medium-to-large existing SF convention, where politics tends to run hot & heavy anyways and they'd even look upon it as a draw, if you can believe that, for Atrios, A., Tena, et al., to crack wise on blogging and the technological influence of the web. Heck, we might be able to con 'em into making one or three of you paid guests.
I'm completely serious. I should talk to my connections at MarCon and PhilCon....
H stands for HIAWATHA
Squarebob Spongepants.
H stands for HIAWATHA
Squarebob Spongepants.
None of this will happen unless a judge is convinced that one of the plaintiffs has a substantial chance of success on merits. - Nota
Well ... there was the ruling in Washington where the judge actually bothered to ask about the voters' POV instead of treating it as a horserace.
None of this will happen unless a judge is convinced that one of the plaintiffs has a substantial chance of success on merits. - Nota
Well ... there was the ruling in Washington where the judge actually bothered to ask about the voters' POV instead of treating it as a horserace.
Filkertom -
Somehow I don't see us at a convention center. I vote for a dive bar. But the concept is good...
Filkertom -
Somehow I don't see us at a convention center. I vote for a dive bar. But the concept is good...
Dixon, I said no hints!
Dixon, I said no hints!
Vicki -- great idea! I haven't seen the Indigos for several years (last time at Meadowbrook). I live literally down the street from The Ark.
Vicki -- great idea! I haven't seen the Indigos for several years (last time at Meadowbrook). I live literally down the street from The Ark.
Dixon, I said no hints!
Smitty Werbenmanjensen
Sorry,
I had been 5 mins.
Dixon, I said no hints!
Smitty Werbenmanjensen
Sorry,
I had been 5 mins.
Must book flight to San Antonio...I just forgot about that! If I don't do it today, my boss will kill me. Trade show next month.
You know, after I was in Dallas in 2001, I swore I'd never go back to Texas. I lost my luggage, was without clothes for four days. I ended up hosting a cocktail party in jeans and a thermal shirt ~ the clothing I wore to Dallas. And no make-up.
Must book flight to San Antonio...I just forgot about that! If I don't do it today, my boss will kill me. Trade show next month.
You know, after I was in Dallas in 2001, I swore I'd never go back to Texas. I lost my luggage, was without clothes for four days. I ended up hosting a cocktail party in jeans and a thermal shirt ~ the clothing I wore to Dallas. And no make-up.
H stands for (fill in the blank).
Vicki
Actually it's "Harold".
As in: "Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name..."
H stands for (fill in the blank).
Vicki
Actually it's "Harold".
As in: "Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name..."
Squarebob Spongepants.
Dixon Cox
Isn't that Liddy Dole's pet name for Bob?
Squarebob Spongepants.
Dixon Cox
Isn't that Liddy Dole's pet name for Bob?
Ok! That's it! They want to say Merry Christmas all the time? We respond with Happy Chanukah. They want Christianity to be the only faith remembered right now? We respond with Merry Solstice. They want a theocracy. We rifle through every religion we have the freedom to worship in this country.
Ok! That's it! They want to say Merry Christmas all the time? We respond with Happy Chanukah. They want Christianity to be the only faith remembered right now? We respond with Merry Solstice. They want a theocracy. We rifle through every religion we have the freedom to worship in this country.
You filling in for bebe, Holden?
You filling in for bebe, Holden?
H stands for HIAWATHA
Barndog
LOL!!!
I love you, too! filkertom, you should head up to Hiawatha next summer.
Barndog,
And to you, for the holiday, I say
HAPPY WHEATLAND!
H stands for HIAWATHA
Barndog
LOL!!!
I love you, too! filkertom, you should head up to Hiawatha next summer.
Barndog,
And to you, for the holiday, I say
HAPPY WHEATLAND!
mothra -- triple aiee. With whipped cream.
Jenny -- I could work with that. It was just a thought. We gotta start the planning somewhere. (On the other hand, we could just all decide to show up on the same night for Liberal Drinking....)
Dixon -- already did it the other day:
Rudolpho Giuliani
Had a very checkered past
And after 9/11,
He thought he was safe at last.
All of the politicians
Living there in New York State
Feared that a hero Rudy
Was a future candidate.
Then one dark December eve,
Dubya came to say,
"Have you got a nominee?"
Rudy said, "My friend Bernie".
Then how the press devoured him,
But this isn't where this ends.
Rudopho Giuliani
had some real suspicious friends.
All the stuff he'd done before
Came back into play,
Love affairs and tabloid scoops,
Dead Diallo, blame the troops --
Then how the liberals loved it,
And they shouted out "You hack!
"Rudolpho Giuliani,
You'll go down and not come back!"H
mothra -- triple aiee. With whipped cream.
Jenny -- I could work with that. It was just a thought. We gotta start the planning somewhere. (On the other hand, we could just all decide to show up on the same night for Liberal Drinking....)
Dixon -- already did it the other day:
Rudolpho Giuliani
Had a very checkered past
And after 9/11,
He thought he was safe at last.
All of the politicians
Living there in New York State
Feared that a hero Rudy
Was a future candidate.
Then one dark December eve,
Dubya came to say,
"Have you got a nominee?"
Rudy said, "My friend Bernie".
Then how the press devoured him,
But this isn't where this ends.
Rudopho Giuliani
had some real suspicious friends.
All the stuff he'd done before
Came back into play,
Love affairs and tabloid scoops,
Dead Diallo, blame the troops --
Then how the liberals loved it,
And they shouted out "You hack!
"Rudolpho Giuliani,
You'll go down and not come back!"H
Maybe us lefties are missing an opportunity to use the old conceptual judo on the Wingnuts: "You mean it's not POLITICALLY CORRECT to say 'Happy Holidays'?" Reframe this madness in terms of Political Correctness, and shove it right back up their noses.
"It's not POLITICALLY CORRECT to criticise George Bush?"
"Bill O'Reilly is now the master of a new form of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, telling us how to greet folk at this time of year!"
Just sayin'.....
And I don't hate GOD, by the way, just the stupid, mean, and counterproductive things folks do in his name. 'Forgive them, even if they know what they are doing."
Maybe us lefties are missing an opportunity to use the old conceptual judo on the Wingnuts: "You mean it's not POLITICALLY CORRECT to say 'Happy Holidays'?" Reframe this madness in terms of Political Correctness, and shove it right back up their noses.
"It's not POLITICALLY CORRECT to criticise George Bush?"
"Bill O'Reilly is now the master of a new form of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, telling us how to greet folk at this time of year!"
Just sayin'.....
And I don't hate GOD, by the way, just the stupid, mean, and counterproductive things folks do in his name. 'Forgive them, even if they know what they are doing."
What does he mean when he says he repects Muslims but that doesn't stop him from wanting to "help" them? Yikes, dude.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Or, to reduce Graham's theology to a Seinfeld episode:
ELAINE: So is it a problem that I'm not really religious?
PUDDY: Not for me.
ELAINE: Why not?
PUDDY: I'm not the one going to hell.
What does he mean when he says he repects Muslims but that doesn't stop him from wanting to "help" them? Yikes, dude.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
Or, to reduce Graham's theology to a Seinfeld episode:
ELAINE: So is it a problem that I'm not really religious?
PUDDY: Not for me.
ELAINE: Why not?
PUDDY: I'm not the one going to hell.
A compassionate (for millionaires) conservative Christmas present from Lord Bush
In one of the first signs of the effects of the ever tightening federal budget, in the past two months the Bush administration has reduced its contributions to global food aid programs aimed at helping millions of people climb out of poverty.
With the budget deficit growing and President Bush promising to reduce spending, the administration has told representatives of several charities that it was unable to honor some earlier promises and would have money to pay for food only in emergency crises like that in Darfur, in western Sudan. The cutbacks, estimated by some charities at up to $100 million, come at a time when the number of hungry in the world is rising for the first time in years and all food programs are being stretched.
A compassionate (for millionaires) conservative Christmas present from Lord Bush
In one of the first signs of the effects of the ever tightening federal budget, in the past two months the Bush administration has reduced its contributions to global food aid programs aimed at helping millions of people climb out of poverty.
With the budget deficit growing and President Bush promising to reduce spending, the administration has told representatives of several charities that it was unable to honor some earlier promises and would have money to pay for food only in emergency crises like that in Darfur, in western Sudan. The cutbacks, estimated by some charities at up to $100 million, come at a time when the number of hungry in the world is rising for the first time in years and all food programs are being stretched.
It all reminds me of the scene from Being John Malkovich where JM goes inside his own head. Everywhere he looks, he sees himself and the only word he hears is his own name.
Put on your imagination hats, boys and girls, and come with me.....
"Falwell Falwell Falwell... O'Reilly O'Reilly O'Reilly... Jesus Jesus Jesus", etc. ad nauseum...
It all reminds me of the scene from Being John Malkovich where JM goes inside his own head. Everywhere he looks, he sees himself and the only word he hears is his own name.
Put on your imagination hats, boys and girls, and come with me.....
"Falwell Falwell Falwell... O'Reilly O'Reilly O'Reilly... Jesus Jesus Jesus", etc. ad nauseum...
trying to distro Christmas
please, not the Jesux joke again.
trying to distro Christmas
please, not the Jesux joke again.
Re where does the H in Jesus H. Christ come from--early Xians often denoted Jesus with IHS, the first 3 letters (iota, eta, sigma) of Jesus' name in Greek. Because they looked like roman letters, various fanciful Latin acronyms (like "Iesus Hominum Salvator") were proposed to "deepen" the rather ideogrammatic meaning. I'm not sure when the humorouus observation that Jesus's middle name began with H started.
Re where does the H in Jesus H. Christ come from--early Xians often denoted Jesus with IHS, the first 3 letters (iota, eta, sigma) of Jesus' name in Greek. Because they looked like roman letters, various fanciful Latin acronyms (like "Iesus Hominum Salvator") were proposed to "deepen" the rather ideogrammatic meaning. I'm not sure when the humorouus observation that Jesus's middle name began with H started.
Smitty - I humbly admit defeat. I had to Google, and so have failed. You've won this round, my friend. But one day...one day, someone will come round with a question about The Andros Targets or UFO or The Magician, and you will slip, and I'll be there...waiting.
(disappears in a puff of smoke)
Smitty - I humbly admit defeat. I had to Google, and so have failed. You've won this round, my friend. But one day...one day, someone will come round with a question about The Andros Targets or UFO or The Magician, and you will slip, and I'll be there...waiting.
(disappears in a puff of smoke)
I've heard them say that atheists aren't really non-religious. Atheists practice the religion of secularism. Something is definitely afoot with this secularist thingy.
I've heard them say that atheists aren't really non-religious. Atheists practice the religion of secularism. Something is definitely afoot with this secularist thingy.
Filkertom -
I have a feeling that you will succeed in bringing us all together one day, so thank you so much for this!
Filkertom -
I have a feeling that you will succeed in bringing us all together one day, so thank you so much for this!
Carter: that's precisely what we're on about. BUT - it's not getting out because of this ridiculous O'Reillian bile.
TheaLogie
My inclination is to up the ante. Have crowds of progressives, outside his home, picketing to have him become a better Christian - help the poor etc. We should do this bigtime with Falwell. Everytime a child dies because of lack of healthcare, Falwell headquarters should be ramsacked because he's not supporting life by being against universal healthcare. Imagine if these people were made to be publicly viewed as the hypocrites they are.
Carter: that's precisely what we're on about. BUT - it's not getting out because of this ridiculous O'Reillian bile.
TheaLogie
My inclination is to up the ante. Have crowds of progressives, outside his home, picketing to have him become a better Christian - help the poor etc. We should do this bigtime with Falwell. Everytime a child dies because of lack of healthcare, Falwell headquarters should be ramsacked because he's not supporting life by being against universal healthcare. Imagine if these people were made to be publicly viewed as the hypocrites they are.
"I'm not sure when the humorouus observation that Jesus's middle name began with H started."
Funny, I always just called him Chuy. INRI sounded a little formal for us desert loving lizardly types.
"I'm not sure when the humorouus observation that Jesus's middle name began with H started."
Funny, I always just called him Chuy. INRI sounded a little formal for us desert loving lizardly types.
Do you get the feeling that for most of these conservatives, saying, "Merry Xmas," holds no meaning for them. It's probably the same when they say, "I love you," to their spouses. It might have meant something once, but now it's just words.
Maybe that's the point Atrios is making. Overuse tends to water down the importance of the words.
Do you get the feeling that for most of these conservatives, saying, "Merry Xmas," holds no meaning for them. It's probably the same when they say, "I love you," to their spouses. It might have meant something once, but now it's just words.
Maybe that's the point Atrios is making. Overuse tends to water down the importance of the words.
You're spot on, Atrios. And fuck Bill O'Reilly. I'm sick of that philandering old fart taking my name in vain.
You're spot on, Atrios. And fuck Bill O'Reilly. I'm sick of that philandering old fart taking my name in vain.
Harrison,
It indeed is from Spongebob Squarepants, and Dixon did almost give it away.
Up a thread everybody. Afternoon thread is on, my bitches!
Harrison,
It indeed is from Spongebob Squarepants, and Dixon did almost give it away.
Up a thread everybody. Afternoon thread is on, my bitches!
I just had a client call here to talk to my boss.
Catholic fanatic....of course, he voted for Preznit Jerkoff. One of these people who has all kinds of awards from anti-choice organizations (he only has one kid, a son).
Wishes me a "happy HOLY Christmas....God bless ya."
This is a guy who just got convicted of all sorts of bank, mail and wire fraud and is facing 12 years.
Hypocrisy, much?
I just had a client call here to talk to my boss.
Catholic fanatic....of course, he voted for Preznit Jerkoff. One of these people who has all kinds of awards from anti-choice organizations (he only has one kid, a son).
Wishes me a "happy HOLY Christmas....God bless ya."
This is a guy who just got convicted of all sorts of bank, mail and wire fraud and is facing 12 years.
Hypocrisy, much?
Terry C -- Lovely!
These clowns are always using Jesus to hide behind.
Terry C -- Lovely!
These clowns are always using Jesus to hide behind.
I've heard them say that atheists aren't really non-religious. Atheists practice the religion of secularism. Something is definitely afoot with this secularist thingy.
Projection. I can't imagine not being religious, so you are too.
And I'm not an atheist. They just get sore because I don't believe in their god.
I've heard them say that atheists aren't really non-religious. Atheists practice the religion of secularism. Something is definitely afoot with this secularist thingy.
Projection. I can't imagine not being religious, so you are too.
And I'm not an atheist. They just get sore because I don't believe in their god.
This is a guy who just got convicted of all sorts of bank, mail and wire fraud and is facing 12 years.
That's what we mean by separation of church and state, I guess.
After all, God didn't make the laws. That was those secular humanists in Congress.
This is a guy who just got convicted of all sorts of bank, mail and wire fraud and is facing 12 years.
That's what we mean by separation of church and state, I guess.
After all, God didn't make the laws. That was those secular humanists in Congress.
theodoric --
"It is the chief characteristic of the religion of science,
that it works."
-- Isaac Asimov, Foundation
theodoric --
"It is the chief characteristic of the religion of science,
that it works."
-- Isaac Asimov, Foundation
We'll figure it out, Jenny. If I have to do it manually, I'm willing to, just so we can all get together for a few hours and know these are friends I didn't even know I had.
We'll figure it out, Jenny. If I have to do it manually, I'm willing to, just so we can all get together for a few hours and know these are friends I didn't even know I had.
This has got to be the one of most incredibly stupid, manufactured non-controversies I've heard of. Personally, at this time of year, I like to great people with a hearty "fuck you," or "get the fuck outta' my way you jerk," but hey, that's just due to my naturally sunny disposition.
This has got to be the one of most incredibly stupid, manufactured non-controversies I've heard of. Personally, at this time of year, I like to great people with a hearty "fuck you," or "get the fuck outta' my way you jerk," but hey, that's just due to my naturally sunny disposition.
Check out the White House web site. The holiday page has no referece to Chistmas at all. And it does not even say "Happy Holidays." It says "A Holiday of Merriment & Melody".
Check out the White House web site. The holiday page has no referece to Chistmas at all. And it does not even say "Happy Holidays." It says "A Holiday of Merriment & Melody".
I say "Happy Holidays" just to spite O'Reilly.
I say "Happy Holidays" just to spite O'Reilly.
thanks for the great Odinist article, snarky! (as a neo-Celt, the Solstice is a minor festival for me.)
-L.
thanks for the great Odinist article, snarky! (as a neo-Celt, the Solstice is a minor festival for me.)
-L.
Big Red -- sounds like a promo for a Miami lounge singer.
Big Red -- sounds like a promo for a Miami lounge singer.
I went to Acronym Finder to check up on INRI, and it gave the original meaning:
Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews)
But check out what those darn Jesuits, skilled in Latin wordplay, did with INRI:
Iustum Necar Reges Impios (Jesuit flag; Latin: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical kings, governments, or rulers)
Red alert!!!
I went to Acronym Finder to check up on INRI, and it gave the original meaning:
Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum (Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews)
But check out what those darn Jesuits, skilled in Latin wordplay, did with INRI:
Iustum Necar Reges Impios (Jesuit flag; Latin: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical kings, governments, or rulers)
Red alert!!!
Oh man. I go away for a little bit and there's filkertom, offering to do it manually and with whipped cream.
Damn it. I ALWAYS leave the party at the wrong time...
Oh man. I go away for a little bit and there's filkertom, offering to do it manually and with whipped cream.
Damn it. I ALWAYS leave the party at the wrong time...
M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S!
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
M E R R Y C H R I S T M A S!
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
But check out what those darn Jesuits, skilled in Latin wordplay, did with INRI:
Iustum Necar Reges Impios (Jesuit flag; Latin: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical kings, governments, or rulers)
Hey, the warriors of God (as they used to be known during the Counter-Reformation) could come in quite handy, so don't knock 'em just yet. Remember, the Vatican was opposed to our Excellent Iraq Adventure from day one.
(And if you're ever forced to have your kids be educated by Catholics, try to make sure they're Jesuits. They're the best of the bunch, in this Catholic's opinion -- all about social justice and intellectual inquiry.)
But check out what those darn Jesuits, skilled in Latin wordplay, did with INRI:
Iustum Necar Reges Impios (Jesuit flag; Latin: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical kings, governments, or rulers)
Hey, the warriors of God (as they used to be known during the Counter-Reformation) could come in quite handy, so don't knock 'em just yet. Remember, the Vatican was opposed to our Excellent Iraq Adventure from day one.
(And if you're ever forced to have your kids be educated by Catholics, try to make sure they're Jesuits. They're the best of the bunch, in this Catholic's opinion -- all about social justice and intellectual inquiry.)
Jesuits. They're the best of the bunch, in this Catholic's opinion -- all about social justice and intellectual inquiry
Well, there was that whole Inquisition thing...
Jesuits. They're the best of the bunch, in this Catholic's opinion -- all about social justice and intellectual inquiry
Well, there was that whole Inquisition thing...
mothra -- Sorry, bucko. You also missed the group discount.
mothra -- Sorry, bucko. You also missed the group discount.
B o y i n a S a n t a s u i t a s k e d t o q u i t d a n c e
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
B o y i n a S a n t a s u i t a s k e d t o q u i t d a n c e
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
INRI = I'm Nailed Right In.
hth.
INRI = I'm Nailed Right In.
hth.
A bit of logical deduction has entered my head.
Consider a person about whom the following is true:
(1) He likes creches so much he finds those who disagree with placing them on the grounds of city hall to be "anti-Christian"
(2) He likes the 10 commandments so much he finds those who disagree with placing them in a court-house to be anti-Judeo-Christian
(3) He believes "Jesus is Lord"
Now the 10 commandments prohibit graven images (of That to which one prays). If Jesus is Lord and one prays to Jesus, the 10 commandments prohibit a graven image of Jesus. A creche contains a baby Jesus, nu?
Therefore, don't the 10 commandments prohibit creches?
So if we are to receive moral guidance from both the 10 commandments, shouldn't creches be banned?
Why are the 10 commandments anti-Christian? Is it the fault of those secular Jews?
A bit of logical deduction has entered my head.
Consider a person about whom the following is true:
(1) He likes creches so much he finds those who disagree with placing them on the grounds of city hall to be "anti-Christian"
(2) He likes the 10 commandments so much he finds those who disagree with placing them in a court-house to be anti-Judeo-Christian
(3) He believes "Jesus is Lord"
Now the 10 commandments prohibit graven images (of That to which one prays). If Jesus is Lord and one prays to Jesus, the 10 commandments prohibit a graven image of Jesus. A creche contains a baby Jesus, nu?
Therefore, don't the 10 commandments prohibit creches?
So if we are to receive moral guidance from both the 10 commandments, shouldn't creches be banned?
Why are the 10 commandments anti-Christian? Is it the fault of those secular Jews?
It is Dec 23, so Happy Tennou Tanjoubi (The Japanese Emperor's Birthday) to everyone! I'm going to have a cup of sake.
It is Dec 23, so Happy Tennou Tanjoubi (The Japanese Emperor's Birthday) to everyone! I'm going to have a cup of sake.
My Xmas wish--the burning Bush.
My Xmas wish--the burning Bush.
You know if the mighty Whirlitzer is wasting spin cycles on this "Secular Humanists trying to distro Christmas" crap. It reaally makes me wonder what is going on that they DONT want us to notice.
Easy. Torture. It's the unofficial US policy, not just the work of a few bad apples.
You know if the mighty Whirlitzer is wasting spin cycles on this "Secular Humanists trying to distro Christmas" crap. It reaally makes me wonder what is going on that they DONT want us to notice.
Easy. Torture. It's the unofficial US policy, not just the work of a few bad apples.
This whole religion thing is starting to really bore me in a way it never did before. I never was into Christmas really but enjoyed the whole festive thing (just like how I feel about a lot of holidays) and American fantasy flavor. Now I want to get into a flame war with anyone I meet who starts in with the questioning: first it's just a simple, are you looking forward to Christmas? then the followups: So did you finish all your shopping? Are you busy cooking?
F*K off!!! YOU MUST BE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT HOW IRAQ TURNED OUT HUH?! Has all those dead people satisfied your need for revenge???
But obviously we can't let Pat Buchanan, Mr. Culture War, get away with a thing!
This whole religion thing is starting to really bore me in a way it never did before. I never was into Christmas really but enjoyed the whole festive thing (just like how I feel about a lot of holidays) and American fantasy flavor. Now I want to get into a flame war with anyone I meet who starts in with the questioning: first it's just a simple, are you looking forward to Christmas? then the followups: So did you finish all your shopping? Are you busy cooking?
F*K off!!! YOU MUST BE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT HOW IRAQ TURNED OUT HUH?! Has all those dead people satisfied your need for revenge???
But obviously we can't let Pat Buchanan, Mr. Culture War, get away with a thing!
Oh, I'll pay full price if you're adding whipped cream....
Oh, I'll pay full price if you're adding whipped cream....
RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
Yes, Moscow has been reading all about the i-n-c-l-u-s-i-v-i-t-y of this new Happy-Holiday-2-Replace-Merry-Christmas-greeting! sentiment, yet, IN PRACTICE, this sentiment turns out to be way for ANTI-CHRISTIANs to be ANTI-CHRISTIAN.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
"It was a holiday party," said [Principle] Muscara. "It was not a Christmas party"
So much for the "Happy Holiday" greeting (instead of "Merry Christmas") being used to greet A-L-L Holiday celebrators argument.
Christians, apparently, are NOT considered part of the celebratory Holidays at "Happy Holidays" Party.
Left is WRONG (not often, but occasionally) and this is one time it is VERY WRONG.
This should not about anger against right wing religious fundamentalistic opponents (who can be very bad people) this should be about CHRISTMAS, and ability to say "M e r r y C h r i s t m a s" in majority Christian nation, in peace, without receiving dirty looks from angry person and without being made to feel bad by bad principles or mean spirited persons.
Your capacity to say "Happy Holiday" is not under attack, but people here attack people who say "Merry Christmas"
Those who do, I am sorry, but you are on BAD/UGLY/MEAN SPIRITED/WRONG side.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
Yes, Moscow has been reading all about the i-n-c-l-u-s-i-v-i-t-y of this new Happy-Holiday-2-Replace-Merry-Christmas-greeting! sentiment, yet, IN PRACTICE, this sentiment turns out to be way for ANTI-CHRISTIANs to be ANTI-CHRISTIAN.
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
"It was a holiday party," said [Principle] Muscara. "It was not a Christmas party"
So much for the "Happy Holiday" greeting (instead of "Merry Christmas") being used to greet A-L-L Holiday celebrators argument.
Christians, apparently, are NOT considered part of the celebratory Holidays at "Happy Holidays" Party.
Left is WRONG (not often, but occasionally) and this is one time it is VERY WRONG.
This should not about anger against right wing religious fundamentalistic opponents (who can be very bad people) this should be about CHRISTMAS, and ability to say "M e r r y C h r i s t m a s" in majority Christian nation, in peace, without receiving dirty looks from angry person and without being made to feel bad by bad principles or mean spirited persons.
Your capacity to say "Happy Holiday" is not under attack, but people here attack people who say "Merry Christmas"
Those who do, I am sorry, but you are on BAD/UGLY/MEAN SPIRITED/WRONG side.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Holy Happydays, Batman!
Holy Happydays, Batman!
the irony is that twenty years ago, most of the churches that are now waging this Christmas jihad, would have told you that Christmas was a popish plot.
the irony is that twenty years ago, most of the churches that are now waging this Christmas jihad, would have told you that Christmas was a popish plot.
Well, I *liked* "The Lights of Zetar." All except the exchange at the beginning:
"I didn't think Scotty would fall for the brainy type."
"I don't think Scotty is aware she has a brain."
OTOH I didn't like the ones about the two-tone beings and the Nazis.
Happy Hoidays.
Well, I *liked* "The Lights of Zetar." All except the exchange at the beginning:
"I didn't think Scotty would fall for the brainy type."
"I don't think Scotty is aware she has a brain."
OTOH I didn't like the ones about the two-tone beings and the Nazis.
Happy Hoidays.
without receiving dirty looks from angry person and without being made to feel bad by bad principles or mean spirited persons.
Fuck you. Show me where in the Constitution it says that when you say something I can give you a dirty look. As to "being made to feel bad," you know, I'm not responsible for your feelings. Should I be made to "feel bad" when stupid xians say things that make me feel unwanted? Eleanore Roosevelt had it about right when she said that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. I am sick to fucking death of hearing how fucking persecuted you fucking xians are. Shut the fuck up and go help a poor person or visit a shut-in or pray quietly by yourself and quit trying to tell those of us whom you oppress just how oppressed you are -- asshole. Now, FOAD. And, have a shitty, miserable, unhappy xmas, you turd.
without receiving dirty looks from angry person and without being made to feel bad by bad principles or mean spirited persons.
Fuck you. Show me where in the Constitution it says that when you say something I can give you a dirty look. As to "being made to feel bad," you know, I'm not responsible for your feelings. Should I be made to "feel bad" when stupid xians say things that make me feel unwanted? Eleanore Roosevelt had it about right when she said that no one can make you feel inferior without your consent. I am sick to fucking death of hearing how fucking persecuted you fucking xians are. Shut the fuck up and go help a poor person or visit a shut-in or pray quietly by yourself and quit trying to tell those of us whom you oppress just how oppressed you are -- asshole. Now, FOAD. And, have a shitty, miserable, unhappy xmas, you turd.
Posted a longer version of this on the last thread, but since everyone is here, it seems --
How does the "Jesus is Lord", pro-10-commandments contingent feel about creches? After all, don't they have a graven image of the baby Jesus in them?
Of course, they do have an odd way of interpreting things ... somehow, for example, invoking Jesus in empty prayers or just because it feels good is not taking the Lord's name in vain ...
Posted a longer version of this on the last thread, but since everyone is here, it seems --
How does the "Jesus is Lord", pro-10-commandments contingent feel about creches? After all, don't they have a graven image of the baby Jesus in them?
Of course, they do have an odd way of interpreting things ... somehow, for example, invoking Jesus in empty prayers or just because it feels good is not taking the Lord's name in vain ...
Following The Attack on "M e r r y C h r i s t m a s" as a pro-active greeting in a Majority Christian nation..
..NEXT comes
..THE ATTACK ON ENGLISH as a pro-active spoken language in a Majority English nation..
"You offend moi Mr. Bus Driver Sir, pour assuming zat I speak Anglish! How dare you! Modi Feut La Merde de Cochon!
For Je am Francais, puis by speaking to me in Anglish, you 'ave offended moi! Deliberatement! En Garde! AVEC!"
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Following The Attack on "M e r r y C h r i s t m a s" as a pro-active greeting in a Majority Christian nation..
..NEXT comes
..THE ATTACK ON ENGLISH as a pro-active spoken language in a Majority English nation..
"You offend moi Mr. Bus Driver Sir, pour assuming zat I speak Anglish! How dare you! Modi Feut La Merde de Cochon!
For Je am Francais, puis by speaking to me in Anglish, you 'ave offended moi! Deliberatement! En Garde! AVEC!"
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Well, there was that whole Inquisition thing...
Shhhhh! They'll never let your kids into Georgetown if they hear you talking like that! ;^)
Seriously, though, like many groups with, um, dubious origins, the Jesuits have been doing good work in the last hundred years or so. And this is coming from a fallen-away Catholic, too. They were even encouraging people to vote for Kerry, arguing that Catholics needed to vote for the entire "culture of life" (social justice, anti-death penalty, etc.) that the Vatican talks about and not focus solely on one tiny portion.
Sigh. I still like a lot of the Catholic ideals that I learned. I just can't get on board with the specific proscriptions. At least they no longer say homosexuality is inherently sinful -- now the problem is that they're having sex without being married. Which creates that nice little Catch-22, thanks a lot JPII.
(That pisses me off and I'm not even gay, so I can just imagine how gay Catholics feel about it.)
Well, there was that whole Inquisition thing...
Shhhhh! They'll never let your kids into Georgetown if they hear you talking like that! ;^)
Seriously, though, like many groups with, um, dubious origins, the Jesuits have been doing good work in the last hundred years or so. And this is coming from a fallen-away Catholic, too. They were even encouraging people to vote for Kerry, arguing that Catholics needed to vote for the entire "culture of life" (social justice, anti-death penalty, etc.) that the Vatican talks about and not focus solely on one tiny portion.
Sigh. I still like a lot of the Catholic ideals that I learned. I just can't get on board with the specific proscriptions. At least they no longer say homosexuality is inherently sinful -- now the problem is that they're having sex without being married. Which creates that nice little Catch-22, thanks a lot JPII.
(That pisses me off and I'm not even gay, so I can just imagine how gay Catholics feel about it.)
can=can't, which I know when I'm not so fucking pissed off by asshole xians.
can=can't, which I know when I'm not so fucking pissed off by asshole xians.
Oops - I managed to post on this thread what I planned to post on the next thread ...
Oops - I managed to post on this thread what I planned to post on the next thread ...
Shhhhh! They'll never let your kids into Georgetown if they hear you talking like that! ;^)
It's ok. I only have one, and he went to Princeton. But I'm not a proud, obnoxious mom about it or anything. Would you like to see his picture? And, here, let me show you his report cards....
Shhhhh! They'll never let your kids into Georgetown if they hear you talking like that! ;^)
It's ok. I only have one, and he went to Princeton. But I'm not a proud, obnoxious mom about it or anything. Would you like to see his picture? And, here, let me show you his report cards....
thank the baby jesus that this wretched, yearly orgy of nonsense is nearly over. if i have to say happy holidays one more time to a person who disgusts me, i shall go out of my fucking mind.
thank the baby jesus that this wretched, yearly orgy of nonsense is nearly over. if i have to say happy holidays one more time to a person who disgusts me, i shall go out of my fucking mind.
RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
Yes, Moscow has been reading all about the i-n-c-l-u-s-i-v-i-t-y of this new Happy-Holiday-2-Replace-Merry-Christmas-greeting! sentiment, yet, IN PRACTICE, this sentiment turns out to be way for ANTI-CHRISTIANs to be ANTI-CHRISTIAN.
Yeah, 'cause I remember that part in the New Testament where Santa Claus is the thirteenth apostle at the Last Supper. And don't forget the Gospel of Santa Claus, sandwiched right between Matthew and John.
If you're so intent on Christmas being a religious holiday, shouldn't you be trying to get rid of Santa Claus? He's taken the whole damn thing over.
On Christmas Day, I'm going to be wearing a t-shirt that says "Noel." So am I pro-Christmas and anti-American? Can I be both?
Oh, and I'm going to two Masses -- the children's Mass with my niece and the midnight Mass at home. Does that mean I'm a better Christian than you?
RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
Yes, Moscow has been reading all about the i-n-c-l-u-s-i-v-i-t-y of this new Happy-Holiday-2-Replace-Merry-Christmas-greeting! sentiment, yet, IN PRACTICE, this sentiment turns out to be way for ANTI-CHRISTIANs to be ANTI-CHRISTIAN.
Yeah, 'cause I remember that part in the New Testament where Santa Claus is the thirteenth apostle at the Last Supper. And don't forget the Gospel of Santa Claus, sandwiched right between Matthew and John.
If you're so intent on Christmas being a religious holiday, shouldn't you be trying to get rid of Santa Claus? He's taken the whole damn thing over.
On Christmas Day, I'm going to be wearing a t-shirt that says "Noel." So am I pro-Christmas and anti-American? Can I be both?
Oh, and I'm going to two Masses -- the children's Mass with my niece and the midnight Mass at home. Does that mean I'm a better Christian than you?
" "I don’t get it," said Lafond, citing a PTA breakfast with Santa at the school a couple of weeks ago.
"What’s next? Are they going to get rid of Halloween because of paganism?" he asked. "
I found that statement in the Santa Claus Suit affair very strange.
I also have the feeling that the entire affair was not an innocent happening. My gut feeling is this was arranged to create the incident.
" "I don’t get it," said Lafond, citing a PTA breakfast with Santa at the school a couple of weeks ago.
"What’s next? Are they going to get rid of Halloween because of paganism?" he asked. "
I found that statement in the Santa Claus Suit affair very strange.
I also have the feeling that the entire affair was not an innocent happening. My gut feeling is this was arranged to create the incident.
Your capacity to say "Happy Holiday" is not under attack, but people here attack people who say "Merry Christmas"
Those who do, I am sorry, but you are on BAD/UGLY/MEAN SPIRITED/WRONG side.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Repeat und AUGMENT.
Your capacity to say "Happy Holiday" is not under attack, but people here attack people who say "Merry Christmas"
Those who do, I am sorry, but you are on BAD/UGLY/MEAN SPIRITED/WRONG side.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Repeat und AUGMENT.
Your capacity to say "Happy Holiday" is not under attack, but people here attack people who say "Merry Christmas"
Those who do, I am sorry, but you are on BAD/UGLY/MEAN SPIRITED/WRONG side.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Repeat und AUGMENT.
Your capacity to say "Happy Holiday" is not under attack, but people here attack people who say "Merry Christmas"
Those who do, I am sorry, but you are on BAD/UGLY/MEAN SPIRITED/WRONG side.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Repeat und AUGMENT.
Joyeux Noel!
Oh, I'm sorry, it must me un-American of me to wish you a Merry Christmas in another language.
Feliz Navidad!
Oh, silly me, I slipped again.
Here's one you may understand:
Srozhdestovm Kristovim!
Joyeux Noel!
Oh, I'm sorry, it must me un-American of me to wish you a Merry Christmas in another language.
Feliz Navidad!
Oh, silly me, I slipped again.
Here's one you may understand:
Srozhdestovm Kristovim!
Does anybody else remember which Bible verse mentions Santa Claus?
You know us Catholics, we're not as familiar with the Bible as Protestants. But people seem pretty convinced Santa Claus is in there, so I'd be interested to read the verse.
Does anybody else remember which Bible verse mentions Santa Claus?
You know us Catholics, we're not as familiar with the Bible as Protestants. But people seem pretty convinced Santa Claus is in there, so I'd be interested to read the verse.
Mnemosyne,
I think the Bible story about Santa Clause is just before the Sermon on the snowy field where Jesus said that it was important for xians to tell everyone else how persecuted they are and how the most important thing an xian can do is to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat. And then he told the crowd to go out and buy shit.
Mnemosyne,
I think the Bible story about Santa Clause is just before the Sermon on the snowy field where Jesus said that it was important for xians to tell everyone else how persecuted they are and how the most important thing an xian can do is to shove their beliefs down everyone else's throat. And then he told the crowd to go out and buy shit.
When the whole thing started I just assumed this was NewsCorps way of punishing Macy's for failing to purchase advertising in the NY Post, and I am not sure but what that might be part of it....
Alice Marshall
This reminds me of a rather true story from years ago. The NY Posters were complaining to Macy's executives that the store wasn't advertising in the Post, by then owned by the Murdochians. They whined away about how their readers wanted to see Macy's ads in their paper and how Post readers shopped at Macy's. The Macy's executives sniffed in reply, "YOUR readers are our SHOPLIFTERS."
When the whole thing started I just assumed this was NewsCorps way of punishing Macy's for failing to purchase advertising in the NY Post, and I am not sure but what that might be part of it....
Alice Marshall
This reminds me of a rather true story from years ago. The NY Posters were complaining to Macy's executives that the store wasn't advertising in the Post, by then owned by the Murdochians. They whined away about how their readers wanted to see Macy's ads in their paper and how Post readers shopped at Macy's. The Macy's executives sniffed in reply, "YOUR readers are our SHOPLIFTERS."
Well, there was that whole Inquisition thing...
Hecate
Actually, 'twas the Dominicans who ran the Inquisition, back in the day.
And, Hecate, Io Saturnalia (or whatever you choose to celebrate this time of year).
Well, there was that whole Inquisition thing...
Hecate
Actually, 'twas the Dominicans who ran the Inquisition, back in the day.
And, Hecate, Io Saturnalia (or whatever you choose to celebrate this time of year).
Quit dancing to the Republican's tunes. There is literally no end to whackball accusations they can make. (And do.) A campaign against Christmas? That one tarnishes the guy who responds to it almost as much as it tarnishes the person who makes it originally.
As for O'Reilly, he's just raising a stink to distract people from his own foibles. He's an ass. Ignore him.
Quit dancing to the Republican's tunes. There is literally no end to whackball accusations they can make. (And do.) A campaign against Christmas? That one tarnishes the guy who responds to it almost as much as it tarnishes the person who makes it originally.
As for O'Reilly, he's just raising a stink to distract people from his own foibles. He's an ass. Ignore him.
And then he told the crowd to go out and buy shit.
I think that's the story of Supply Side Jesus, as told to Al Franken:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/
1...tory_13245.html
And then he told the crowd to go out and buy shit.
I think that's the story of Supply Side Jesus, as told to Al Franken:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/
1...tory_13245.html
And then he told the crowd to go out and buy shit.
Hecate
And then he told the crowd to go out and buy shit.
Hecate
Oops...never mind. It wasn't that funny anyway...
Oops...never mind. It wasn't that funny anyway...
Mnem ===> Danke, That would be Moscow's point.
And to the person that wondered (unbelievably ALOUD) what S-a-n-t-a C-l-a-u-s has to do with CHRISTMAS and therefore CHRISTIANITY,
re: "RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
..uh, if you do not know what holiday Santa Claus is associated with (Moscow will give you a hint, there is ONLY ONE) then ol Moscow thinks your helmet may be on a little too tight.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Mnem ===> Danke, That would be Moscow's point.
And to the person that wondered (unbelievably ALOUD) what S-a-n-t-a C-l-a-u-s has to do with CHRISTMAS and therefore CHRISTIANITY,
re: "RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
..uh, if you do not know what holiday Santa Claus is associated with (Moscow will give you a hint, there is ONLY ONE) then ol Moscow thinks your helmet may be on a little too tight.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
My God, you're stupid. A just a wee bit full of yourself too, n'est-ce pas?
The point of a FREE COUNTRY is that it respects and defends its minority viewpoints, asshole.
You don't like it, move to Russia.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
My God, you're stupid. A just a wee bit full of yourself too, n'est-ce pas?
The point of a FREE COUNTRY is that it respects and defends its minority viewpoints, asshole.
You don't like it, move to Russia.
As for O'Reilly, he's just raising a stink to distract people from his own foibles.
Yeah, we used to celebrate Christmas with falafels and we can't now because Bill O'Rielly ruined them for us forever.
As for O'Reilly, he's just raising a stink to distract people from his own foibles.
Yeah, we used to celebrate Christmas with falafels and we can't now because Bill O'Rielly ruined them for us forever.
Hecate, Io Saturnalia (or whatever you choose to celebrate this time of year).
Thank you, Wile E. Odysseus. It's the Winter Solstice that we celebrated on Tuesday. Sometimes we call it Yule. Merry whatever to you, too. Io Evoe!
Hecate, Io Saturnalia (or whatever you choose to celebrate this time of year).
Thank you, Wile E. Odysseus. It's the Winter Solstice that we celebrated on Tuesday. Sometimes we call it Yule. Merry whatever to you, too. Io Evoe!
BTW - I read something (maybe linked from here) about how all this crap about this years' war on Christmas seems to be based on 3 anecdotes, two of which are demonstratively false?
Why is the SLCM playing into fundie fantasies of persecution?
BTW - I read something (maybe linked from here) about how all this crap about this years' war on Christmas seems to be based on 3 anecdotes, two of which are demonstratively false?
Why is the SLCM playing into fundie fantasies of persecution?
Why is the SLCM playing into fundie fantasies of persecution?
uhhh... cuz they suck?
Why is the SLCM playing into fundie fantasies of persecution?
uhhh... cuz they suck?
ol Moscow thinks your helmet may be on a little too tight.
Referring to yourself in the third person, too...what a ridiculous fucking buffoon you are!
So you guys have finally had it with the Jews, have you? Just like O'Reilly said?
Somehow, I suspected that was coming. Theocratic Xtian bullyboys sneering at Jews...gee, who woulda thunk it?
ol Moscow thinks your helmet may be on a little too tight.
Referring to yourself in the third person, too...what a ridiculous fucking buffoon you are!
So you guys have finally had it with the Jews, have you? Just like O'Reilly said?
Somehow, I suspected that was coming. Theocratic Xtian bullyboys sneering at Jews...gee, who woulda thunk it?
..uh, if you do not know what holiday Santa Claus is associated with (Moscow will give you a hint, there is ONLY ONE) then ol Moscow thinks your helmet may be on a little too tight.
Yes, the essentially pagan figure of Santa Claus is associated with Christmas, the same way that the Easter Bunny is associated with Easter. Trying to insist that pagan symbols are essential to Christian celebrations of Christmas is, at best, hypocritical.
Oh, and your proper response would be "Spasibo" if your handle had any meaning. "Merry Christmas" in German is, "Froehliche Weihnachten."
..uh, if you do not know what holiday Santa Claus is associated with (Moscow will give you a hint, there is ONLY ONE) then ol Moscow thinks your helmet may be on a little too tight.
Yes, the essentially pagan figure of Santa Claus is associated with Christmas, the same way that the Easter Bunny is associated with Easter. Trying to insist that pagan symbols are essential to Christian celebrations of Christmas is, at best, hypocritical.
Oh, and your proper response would be "Spasibo" if your handle had any meaning. "Merry Christmas" in German is, "Froehliche Weihnachten."
Oh, the poor, poor, persecuted xtians. Poor little babies. They might have to play nice with the other kids. They might have to SHARE. They might have to seek to understand before asking to be understood. They might have to get over a dirty look (and they might consider that maybe THEY thought they were being nice but the other person thought otherwise). They might have to just be nice to somebody, even if it killed them. They might have to put themselves in another's shoes.
Isn't this the kind of stuff we learned in kindergarten?
Which says something, right there.
Oh, the poor, poor, persecuted xtians. Poor little babies. They might have to play nice with the other kids. They might have to SHARE. They might have to seek to understand before asking to be understood. They might have to get over a dirty look (and they might consider that maybe THEY thought they were being nice but the other person thought otherwise). They might have to just be nice to somebody, even if it killed them. They might have to put themselves in another's shoes.
Isn't this the kind of stuff we learned in kindergarten?
Which says something, right there.
Thank you, LJ. That was brilliant. I agree with every word.
Thank you, LJ. That was brilliant. I agree with every word.
"H" stands for Hasselhoff.
"H" stands for Hasselhoff.
I like to say
merry christmas,
happy hannukah,
and--my favorite
Kwaanza Mon!
I like to say
merry christmas,
happy hannukah,
and--my favorite
Kwaanza Mon!
Isn't this the kind of stuff we learned in kindergarten?
Kindergarten, yes. But the lessons weren't continued at home.
Isn't this the kind of stuff we learned in kindergarten?
Kindergarten, yes. But the lessons weren't continued at home.
"The point of a FREE COUNTRY is that it respects and defends its minority viewpoints, asshole.
You don't like it, move to Russia."
ol Moscow does not even need to reply to the dumb side of the psuedo-left force, it always incinerates itself by opening its mouth.
But yes, We can see how tolerant you are with views you do not agree with.
You are so tolerant you tell people to leave country.
and this makes you different from O'Reilly how?
(It is rhetorical, you are no different from that puffed up buffoon)
As to people that label people that disagree as Right-Wing, Moscow is not right wing AT ALL, 98% of time I agree with left view.
But this time, attacking people who say "Merry Christmas" - under ANY argument, that is WRONG. Period.
If you can not see it, then you are blinded by anger at right wing election victory or at Xtianity itself (personal problem?) and you make it clearer in your messages than you realize.
Why? your arguments come out like this:
in reply to "Santa Claus told to quit "Holiday Party" you say:
"yeh so what, What does Santa Claus have to do with Xmas?"
a Dunderheaded idiotic statement.
recent CNN poll agrees with Moscow, this Politikal Korrectness "Happy Holiday" vs "Merry Christmas" approach to Christmas is mean-spirited downer.
I have no problem hearing "Happy Holiday" If you cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time in Christian majority nation without throwing temper tantrum then you are 12 years old mentally.
Period.
and you are DISGRACE to real left wing ideologists like Moscow.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic
"The point of a FREE COUNTRY is that it respects and defends its minority viewpoints, asshole.
You don't like it, move to Russia."
ol Moscow does not even need to reply to the dumb side of the psuedo-left force, it always incinerates itself by opening its mouth.
But yes, We can see how tolerant you are with views you do not agree with.
You are so tolerant you tell people to leave country.
and this makes you different from O'Reilly how?
(It is rhetorical, you are no different from that puffed up buffoon)
As to people that label people that disagree as Right-Wing, Moscow is not right wing AT ALL, 98% of time I agree with left view.
But this time, attacking people who say "Merry Christmas" - under ANY argument, that is WRONG. Period.
If you can not see it, then you are blinded by anger at right wing election victory or at Xtianity itself (personal problem?) and you make it clearer in your messages than you realize.
Why? your arguments come out like this:
in reply to "Santa Claus told to quit "Holiday Party" you say:
"yeh so what, What does Santa Claus have to do with Xmas?"
a Dunderheaded idiotic statement.
recent CNN poll agrees with Moscow, this Politikal Korrectness "Happy Holiday" vs "Merry Christmas" approach to Christmas is mean-spirited downer.
I have no problem hearing "Happy Holiday" If you cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time in Christian majority nation without throwing temper tantrum then you are 12 years old mentally.
Period.
and you are DISGRACE to real left wing ideologists like Moscow.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic
If you cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time in Christian majority nation
I don't care to what religion people adhere.
Your *majority* bullshit is just that.
The majority don't shove it down anyone else's throat.
That, my darling, is the difference.
If you cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time in Christian majority nation
I don't care to what religion people adhere.
Your *majority* bullshit is just that.
The majority don't shove it down anyone else's throat.
That, my darling, is the difference.
Why is the SLCM playing into fundie fantasies of persecution?
Because it sells cars and beer.
Why is the SLCM playing into fundie fantasies of persecution?
Because it sells cars and beer.
And to the person that wondered (unbelievably ALOUD) what S-a-n-t-a C-l-a-u-s has to do with CHRISTMAS and therefore CHRISTIANITY,
Um, Mr Classic, I'm not following that one. If something has to do with Christmas, it does not necessarily have anything at all to do with Christianity. Tell me, sir, what these things have to do with Christianity, and the practice thereof;
Egg Nog
A small pine tree/fire hazard in the living room
Stockings full of coal hung over a fireplace (more fire hazard?!)
The colors red and green
Presents, presents, and more presents
Reindeer
Elves
Garfield and Snoopy Christmas cards
Mistletoe
Wassail punch
Fucking stick-on ribbons & bows that you can't rip off & throw away because someone always screams out "Save the bows! I need 'em for next year!"
Office parties
And to the person that wondered (unbelievably ALOUD) what S-a-n-t-a C-l-a-u-s has to do with CHRISTMAS and therefore CHRISTIANITY,
Um, Mr Classic, I'm not following that one. If something has to do with Christmas, it does not necessarily have anything at all to do with Christianity. Tell me, sir, what these things have to do with Christianity, and the practice thereof;
Egg Nog
A small pine tree/fire hazard in the living room
Stockings full of coal hung over a fireplace (more fire hazard?!)
The colors red and green
Presents, presents, and more presents
Reindeer
Elves
Garfield and Snoopy Christmas cards
Mistletoe
Wassail punch
Fucking stick-on ribbons & bows that you can't rip off & throw away because someone always screams out "Save the bows! I need 'em for next year!"
Office parties
When exactly did Xtians start using the word "merry" in all this, anyway? Doesn't "merry" sound a little...I don't know, frisky and maybe lusty and not nose-buried-in-the-bible and thinking-about-yourself-and-not-the-baby-jesus and greedy? I mean really, who do we think we are to enjoy Xmas?
Merry Have-Some-Sex Day !!
When exactly did Xtians start using the word "merry" in all this, anyway? Doesn't "merry" sound a little...I don't know, frisky and maybe lusty and not nose-buried-in-the-bible and thinking-about-yourself-and-not-the-baby-jesus and greedy? I mean really, who do we think we are to enjoy Xmas?
Merry Have-Some-Sex Day !!
When exactly did Xtians start using the word "merry" in all this, anyway?
Who knows? But it was probably madison Ave that started it. Merry people buy more shit.
When exactly did Xtians start using the word "merry" in all this, anyway?
Who knows? But it was probably madison Ave that started it. Merry people buy more shit.
And to the person that wondered (unbelievably ALOUD) what S-a-n-t-a C-l-a-u-s has to do with CHRISTMAS and therefore CHRISTIANITY -- Moscow
Um, Mr Classic, I'm not following that one. If something has to do with Christmas, it does not necessarily have anything at all to do with Christianity. -- Doozer
Doozer ===> Your point would be good, if person being referred to above hadn't made that dunderheaded,
"yeh so what does Santa Claus have to do with Xmas?" reply
about a specific story in which ====> Santa Claus was told to quit "Holiday Party" B-E-C-A-U-S-E principle said it was too CHRISTIAN.
re: "RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
And to the person that wondered (unbelievably ALOUD) what S-a-n-t-a C-l-a-u-s has to do with CHRISTMAS and therefore CHRISTIANITY -- Moscow
Um, Mr Classic, I'm not following that one. If something has to do with Christmas, it does not necessarily have anything at all to do with Christianity. -- Doozer
Doozer ===> Your point would be good, if person being referred to above hadn't made that dunderheaded,
"yeh so what does Santa Claus have to do with Xmas?" reply
about a specific story in which ====> Santa Claus was told to quit "Holiday Party" B-E-C-A-U-S-E principle said it was too CHRISTIAN.
re: "RE BOY IN SANTA SUIT ASKED TO QUIT DANCE AT "HOLIDAY PARTY"
http://www.seacoastonline.com/ne.../news/
55149.htm
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic.
Santa Claus may have originated with St. Nicholas, but by now he belongs to the religion of Mammon. Too bad Mammon had to piggyback on someone else's holiday instead of having a holiday of its own.
That the SCLM are picking up on this non-issue is a disgrace, even by SCLM standards.
But BTW somebody asked on another thread how some Christians can consider themselves persecuted; after all, has anyone received the hairy eyeball for saying "Merry Christmas"? It seems to me that some people might receive the hairy eyeball if they said that to some of the people on this blog.
As for me, I consider almost anything cool. People can wish me a happy Eid even tho I'm not Muslim.
Santa Claus may have originated with St. Nicholas, but by now he belongs to the religion of Mammon. Too bad Mammon had to piggyback on someone else's holiday instead of having a holiday of its own.
That the SCLM are picking up on this non-issue is a disgrace, even by SCLM standards.
But BTW somebody asked on another thread how some Christians can consider themselves persecuted; after all, has anyone received the hairy eyeball for saying "Merry Christmas"? It seems to me that some people might receive the hairy eyeball if they said that to some of the people on this blog.
As for me, I consider almost anything cool. People can wish me a happy Eid even tho I'm not Muslim.
I have no problem hearing "Happy Hanukkah" "Merry Kwanza" "Jolly Festivus" "Happy Holidays" or whatever else that is meant in good-natured greeting,
If *you* cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" without throwing a temper tantrum then you are 12 years old mentally.
Period.
and you are DISGRACE to real left wing ideologists like Moscow.
Repeat and AUGMENT.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic
I have no problem hearing "Happy Hanukkah" "Merry Kwanza" "Jolly Festivus" "Happy Holidays" or whatever else that is meant in good-natured greeting,
If *you* cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" without throwing a temper tantrum then you are 12 years old mentally.
Period.
and you are DISGRACE to real left wing ideologists like Moscow.
Repeat and AUGMENT.
regards,
Mr. Moscow Classic
Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will and Happy Holidays to all and many more to come from the bottom of my heart.
P.S.-Holi-day (f= Holy Day)
Peace on Earth to Men of Good Will and Happy Holidays to all and many more to come from the bottom of my heart.
P.S.-Holi-day (f= Holy Day)
Mr. Moscow Classic,
Have a nice holiday.
Mr. Moscow Classic,
Have a nice holiday.
Latest FaBlog: Merry Fucking Christmas
Latest FaBlog: Merry Fucking Christmas
I do say, tho, that even if you receive the hairy eyeball now and then for saying "Merry Christmas," if you think that in itself is persecution, you have way too thin a skin. Ask a Christian who has lived in an Islamic or Communist country.
I do say, tho, that even if you receive the hairy eyeball now and then for saying "Merry Christmas," if you think that in itself is persecution, you have way too thin a skin. Ask a Christian who has lived in an Islamic or Communist country.
As for me, I consider almost anything cool. People can wish me a happy Eid even tho I'm not Muslim.
mim
eid fucking mubarrak
As for me, I consider almost anything cool. People can wish me a happy Eid even tho I'm not Muslim.
mim
eid fucking mubarrak
And for another twist, some denominations (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) don't observe Christmas, so greeting them with a "Merry Christmas" is probably as offensive if not more so than saying "Happy Holidays".
Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays, period. Not even their own birthdays.
Happy Hoidays.
And for another twist, some denominations (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses) don't observe Christmas, so greeting them with a "Merry Christmas" is probably as offensive if not more so than saying "Happy Holidays".
Jehovah's Witnesses don't celebrate holidays, period. Not even their own birthdays.
Happy Hoidays.
eid fucking mubarrak
I draw the line at that second word.
eid fucking mubarrak
I draw the line at that second word.
"and a Festivus pole hanging around somewhere in the background."
Ladies and Gentlmen we have a winner in the "WTF is that in Cheney's pants?" holiday sweepstakes.
Happy pol
"and a Festivus pole hanging around somewhere in the background."
Ladies and Gentlmen we have a winner in the "WTF is that in Cheney's pants?" holiday sweepstakes.
Happy pol
Merry Mithras, all!
Merry Mithras, all!
I have no problem hearing "Happy Holiday" If you cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time in Christian majority nation without throwing temper tantrum then you are 12 years old mentally.
If it were non-Christians all over the newspapers complaining about hearing "Merry Christmas," I might agree with you. If Bill O'Reilly were on his show every night complaining that he keeps hearing "Merry Christmas" from store clerks when they should be inclusive and say, "Happy Holidays," I might agree with you.
But what Bill O'Reilly is complaining about is people who say "Happy Holidays." He wants people to say "Merry Christmas" instead.
Are you, like O'Reilly, in favor of "Merry Christmas" enforcement? Do you want every store clerk to say "Merry Christmas" to every customer between Halloween and New Year's Day like O'Reilly does? Or can your delicate ears handle hearing "Happy Holidays" without feeling like you're being oppressed?
If so, you're way ahead of O'Reilly and his ilk, who can't seem to stand the fact that not only do non-Christians exist, but they have holidays around the same time that Christians do.
When non-Christians start telling Christians, "Go back to Europe," when they complain about people saying "Happy Holidays," then we can talk.
I have no problem hearing "Happy Holiday" If you cannot handle hearing "Merry Christmas" at Christmas time in Christian majority nation without throwing temper tantrum then you are 12 years old mentally.
If it were non-Christians all over the newspapers complaining about hearing "Merry Christmas," I might agree with you. If Bill O'Reilly were on his show every night complaining that he keeps hearing "Merry Christmas" from store clerks when they should be inclusive and say, "Happy Holidays," I might agree with you.
But what Bill O'Reilly is complaining about is people who say "Happy Holidays." He wants people to say "Merry Christmas" instead.
Are you, like O'Reilly, in favor of "Merry Christmas" enforcement? Do you want every store clerk to say "Merry Christmas" to every customer between Halloween and New Year's Day like O'Reilly does? Or can your delicate ears handle hearing "Happy Holidays" without feeling like you're being oppressed?
If so, you're way ahead of O'Reilly and his ilk, who can't seem to stand the fact that not only do non-Christians exist, but they have holidays around the same time that Christians do.
When non-Christians start telling Christians, "Go back to Europe," when they complain about people saying "Happy Holidays," then we can talk.
Merry Christmas!!!
Merry Christmas!!!
I used to say "Happy Holidays" to cover all bases, but now that the Preznit has said it, publicly, twice, at the beginning and the end of his Monday press conference, it has the official approval of the goddam head of the goddam GOP, so tell Bill O'Reilly to pretty please go fuck himself.
I used to say "Happy Holidays" to cover all bases, but now that the Preznit has said it, publicly, twice, at the beginning and the end of his Monday press conference, it has the official approval of the goddam head of the goddam GOP, so tell Bill O'Reilly to pretty please go fuck himself.
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
In Ireland, 'Merry' means, drunken!!!!!!!! So here, you have to say, 'Happy Christmas'!
In Ireland, 'Merry' means, drunken!!!!!!!! So here, you have to say, 'Happy Christmas'!
& maybe they aren't Christian so it's safe and includes New Years anyway.
& maybe they aren't Christian so it's safe and includes New Years anyway.
My xmas wish is that the state of the world could someday be such that there is nothing else more pressing to spend time and energy on than to argue about whether people should be saying Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas at xmastime.
no illegal unnecessary wars slaughtering thousands;
no poor without healthcare;
no starvation;
no aids;
no oppression of woman;
no child labor;
no environmental destruction;
no global warming;
no attempts to destroy social security;
no regressive tax code;
no ...
just a stupid, nonsensical, meaningless argument about how to greet people during a holiday devoted to consummerism. yep, that's what i call having your priorities straight.
My xmas wish is that the state of the world could someday be such that there is nothing else more pressing to spend time and energy on than to argue about whether people should be saying Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas at xmastime.
no illegal unnecessary wars slaughtering thousands;
no poor without healthcare;
no starvation;
no aids;
no oppression of woman;
no child labor;
no environmental destruction;
no global warming;
no attempts to destroy social security;
no regressive tax code;
no ...
just a stupid, nonsensical, meaningless argument about how to greet people during a holiday devoted to consummerism. yep, that's what i call having your priorities straight.
"Three plagues of the USA: Commercialism, Militarism, and Racism," Martin Luther King. (Se non e' vero, e' ben trovato).
"Three plagues of the USA: Commercialism, Militarism, and Racism," Martin Luther King. (Se non e' vero, e' ben trovato).
Xmas also means the same thing.
X Means:
1. Christ (Greek , Christos).
2. Christian.
Xmas also means the same thing.
X Means:
1. Christ (Greek , Christos).
2. Christian.
Does it not figure, that even though "Happy Holidays" includes Christmas, that isn't enough for the rightards? Does it not figure, that for most of their donors Christmas is just a commercial enterprise? We could, though, lighten up on getting in the way of people who want to express Christmas themes on their own intitiative (to the extent it actually happens...) Live and let live.
Does it not figure, that even though "Happy Holidays" includes Christmas, that isn't enough for the rightards? Does it not figure, that for most of their donors Christmas is just a commercial enterprise? We could, though, lighten up on getting in the way of people who want to express Christmas themes on their own intitiative (to the extent it actually happens...) Live and let live.
Hello again.
Yesterday I offered the suggestion that the whole idea of "political correctness" is meant to raise the hackles of the lumpen, who feel oppressed by the inability to practice their bigotry openly, in polite society. It's nothing more than a premeditated validation and enabling of Archie Bunker, in order to build on a political core.
This resentment of "what this world is coming to" has been successfully tapped-into by Rove and Co., and manifests itself in the O'Reilly flap-in-a-falafel over "Happy Holidays" (which, may I humbly point out, has pretty much ended the conversation about O'Reilly's desires to boff his employees with said falafels... funny how that works...)
So today, we come across this... note the last line:
HELENA - Some state lawmakers and school administrators are calling for the removal of Rep.-elect and current Sen. Ed Butcher from a legislative education committee after he called developmentally disabled students "vegetables" during a recent meeting.
Butcher, R-Winifred, dubbed his comment at a Dec. 14 meeting of central Montana school superintendents "an unfortunate choice of words," but has refused to formally apologize.
"I think I've said what I'm going to say," Butcher told Lee Newspapers on Tuesday. "This thing where people have to grovel around and apologize for everything they say irritates me."
Yeah. What's this world coming to, when a respected legislator and education official can't call a bunch of retards vegetables, without you damned libruls making a stink?
Happy Holidays, all.
Hello again.
Yesterday I offered the suggestion that the whole idea of "political correctness" is meant to raise the hackles of the lumpen, who feel oppressed by the inability to practice their bigotry openly, in polite society. It's nothing more than a premeditated validation and enabling of Archie Bunker, in order to build on a political core.
This resentment of "what this world is coming to" has been successfully tapped-into by Rove and Co., and manifests itself in the O'Reilly flap-in-a-falafel over "Happy Holidays" (which, may I humbly point out, has pretty much ended the conversation about O'Reilly's desires to boff his employees with said falafels... funny how that works...)
So today, we come across this... note the last line:
HELENA - Some state lawmakers and school administrators are calling for the removal of Rep.-elect and current Sen. Ed Butcher from a legislative education committee after he called developmentally disabled students "vegetables" during a recent meeting.
Butcher, R-Winifred, dubbed his comment at a Dec. 14 meeting of central Montana school superintendents "an unfortunate choice of words," but has refused to formally apologize.
"I think I've said what I'm going to say," Butcher told Lee Newspapers on Tuesday. "This thing where people have to grovel around and apologize for everything they say irritates me."
Yeah. What's this world coming to, when a respected legislator and education official can't call a bunch of retards vegetables, without you damned libruls making a stink?
Happy Holidays, all.
I've been saying Happy Holidays for 15 or 20 years because, well, I'm not a Christian. It seems insincere to wish someone a Merry Christmas in that case.
I have been known to wish a Merry Christmas to easily offendable Christians or close friends who understand that I am specifically addressing their faith rather than mine.
I've been saying Happy Holidays for 15 or 20 years because, well, I'm not a Christian. It seems insincere to wish someone a Merry Christmas in that case.
I have been known to wish a Merry Christmas to easily offendable Christians or close friends who understand that I am specifically addressing their faith rather than mine.
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