I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
How the hell was she right? Dumb lady.
How the hell was she right? Dumb lady.
I have had a close correspondence with Mr. Okrent this year, too. He's very nice to write to.
I have had a close correspondence with Mr. Okrent this year, too. He's very nice to write to.
IMO the media story of the year may be Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of PlameGate.
IMO the media story of the year may be Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of PlameGate.
And you know ... the circle has come around and the media are now pursuing another way to help Bush.
Pathetic.
And you know ... the circle has come around and the media are now pursuing another way to help Bush.
Pathetic.
OK, check this out:
http://www.foxnews.com/images/
14...04_rumsfeld.gif
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/
i...afp_203indx.jpg
Is this the same soldier lying in bed as the one shaking hands with Rumsfeld standing up?
-John
OK, check this out:
http://www.foxnews.com/images/
14...04_rumsfeld.gif
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/
i...afp_203indx.jpg
Is this the same soldier lying in bed as the one shaking hands with Rumsfeld standing up?
-John
Daniel Okrent: One of a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be ninth or tenth...
Daniel Okrent: One of a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be ninth or tenth...
john, your second link is too big. go to tinyurl.com
john, your second link is too big. go to tinyurl.com
"You know what? I was proved fucking right."
I doubt she we even having sex correctly.
"You know what? I was proved fucking right."
I doubt she we even having sex correctly.
dime sized hole?
I'm so going to hell.
I don't even care anymore.
It's gotta be more fun than here.
Here being the red state of Floriduh.
dime sized hole?
I'm so going to hell.
I don't even care anymore.
It's gotta be more fun than here.
Here being the red state of Floriduh.
Sorry, new second link:
http://tinyurl.com/6e5w8
Sorry, new second link:
http://tinyurl.com/6e5w8
Screw tiny url. I like w00t's hugeurl.com better. If I gotta be miserable, everbody gotta be miserable.
Screw tiny url. I like w00t's hugeurl.com better. If I gotta be miserable, everbody gotta be miserable.
1316....doesn't seem to bother dumsfeld...Merry Christmas everyone.
1316....doesn't seem to bother dumsfeld...Merry Christmas everyone.
and playing the part of incognito thismorning, it's meeeeeeeee! I'm annoying, strident, and off message! Look at meeeeeeee!
OK, I'm done. sorry. everybody have as merry a holiday as possible.
And remember, let's put the X back in Xmas.
and playing the part of incognito thismorning, it's meeeeeeeee! I'm annoying, strident, and off message! Look at meeeeeeee!
OK, I'm done. sorry. everybody have as merry a holiday as possible.
And remember, let's put the X back in Xmas.
You know, right from the getgo many of us were saying Sadam was no imminent threat, had no WMD, and had nothing to do with 9/11. And we were "proved funcking right."
You know, right from the getgo many of us were saying Sadam was no imminent threat, had no WMD, and had nothing to do with 9/11. And we were "proved funcking right."
"off their back"
WTF is his point - if they actually wrote truth instead of murcan sheeple talking points, then maybe they wouldn't get soo much shit from those of us who have independent toughts!!!
OT: Atrios did you hear about the 'Bush media-blitz' for SS reform? apparently it is going to make the pre-Iraq war build-up look like a walk in the park!
SS reform has wedge-issue all over it...I'd like to see the AARP squirm with their butt-buddies the GOP over the 'giveaway to Wall street' talking point that dems should pound and pound HARD!!! Grandparents don't believe in Wall Street - most of them survived the depression and post-depression!!!!!!!!!!
"off their back"
WTF is his point - if they actually wrote truth instead of murcan sheeple talking points, then maybe they wouldn't get soo much shit from those of us who have independent toughts!!!
OT: Atrios did you hear about the 'Bush media-blitz' for SS reform? apparently it is going to make the pre-Iraq war build-up look like a walk in the park!
SS reform has wedge-issue all over it...I'd like to see the AARP squirm with their butt-buddies the GOP over the 'giveaway to Wall street' talking point that dems should pound and pound HARD!!! Grandparents don't believe in Wall Street - most of them survived the depression and post-depression!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not unwashed, though. Maybe I should refrain from showering for a few weeks and then go and see Mr. Okrent in person?
I'm not unwashed, though. Maybe I should refrain from showering for a few weeks and then go and see Mr. Okrent in person?
That should be "fucking." Eggnog kicking in early.
That should be "fucking." Eggnog kicking in early.
Fox News, fluffer, that's perfect.
fuck the press, every last one of them should be screaming that this admin. is rife with criminality. because even tho we only get to read between the lines, it's clear that's the case.
Fox News, fluffer, that's perfect.
fuck the press, every last one of them should be screaming that this admin. is rife with criminality. because even tho we only get to read between the lines, it's clear that's the case.
"[The barrage] has tailed off substantially since the election, but it will start up again with the first Supreme Court appointment. I hope it comes after May 31st when I'm done with my job. Hang in there Mr. Rehnquist!"
-Why don't you leave right now?
Because you are a whiny, pathetic gasbag!
"[The barrage] has tailed off substantially since the election, but it will start up again with the first Supreme Court appointment. I hope it comes after May 31st when I'm done with my job. Hang in there Mr. Rehnquist!"
-Why don't you leave right now?
Because you are a whiny, pathetic gasbag!
I think the media story of the year is the fact that the New York Times continues to defend Judith Miller's failure to give up the name of a "source" who committed an act of treason by outing a covert agent during a time of war.
How do these people sleep at night?
I think the media story of the year is the fact that the New York Times continues to defend Judith Miller's failure to give up the name of a "source" who committed an act of treason by outing a covert agent during a time of war.
How do these people sleep at night?
What really pisses me off about these clowns is that they think a J school degree means they are more qualified than the unwashed masses to determine economics, politics, war, budgetary issues etc.
Will any journalist please fucking show me the curriculum for your classes that made you the world's greatest experts on these topics?
All you learned in journalism school is to write things like, "The Bush administration announced that the sky was purple with pink polka dots, others disagree", with relevant matching quotes.
Get off the cross you pricks, we could use the wood.
What really pisses me off about these clowns is that they think a J school degree means they are more qualified than the unwashed masses to determine economics, politics, war, budgetary issues etc.
Will any journalist please fucking show me the curriculum for your classes that made you the world's greatest experts on these topics?
All you learned in journalism school is to write things like, "The Bush administration announced that the sky was purple with pink polka dots, others disagree", with relevant matching quotes.
Get off the cross you pricks, we could use the wood.
Where is Chalabi these days?
Where is Chalabi these days?
My nomination for Accessory Before The Fact to the murder of 100,000 innocents and a few not yet adjudicated: Judith Miller. Fucking A! Right!
It doesn't matter if she goes to jail for the Plame Affair in which she again may be an Accessory (After the fact) but she should be living at least in her own private hell for the former crimes.
Since when do reporters get immunity for crimes... especially crimes against humanity.
My nomination for Accessory Before The Fact to the murder of 100,000 innocents and a few not yet adjudicated: Judith Miller. Fucking A! Right!
It doesn't matter if she goes to jail for the Plame Affair in which she again may be an Accessory (After the fact) but she should be living at least in her own private hell for the former crimes.
Since when do reporters get immunity for crimes... especially crimes against humanity.
Meanwhile, The Dollar Falls, but the Pain and the Gains Vary
Read carefully. And maybe not while eating. Ya know?
Sometimes I think Iraq is just a distraction for what they're really trying to do.
Meanwhile, The Dollar Falls, but the Pain and the Gains Vary
Read carefully. And maybe not while eating. Ya know?
Sometimes I think Iraq is just a distraction for what they're really trying to do.
Miller is finally totally insane. Isn't this sad?
But then, all our rulers have gone totally bonkers.
Miller is finally totally insane. Isn't this sad?
But then, all our rulers have gone totally bonkers.
All you learned in journalism school is to write things like, "The Bush administration announced that the sky was purple with pink polka dots, others disagree", with relevant matching quotes.
You forgot the "House Minority Leader Pelosi insisted that the sky is in fact blue, with white clouds" counterpoint.
All you learned in journalism school is to write things like, "The Bush administration announced that the sky was purple with pink polka dots, others disagree", with relevant matching quotes.
You forgot the "House Minority Leader Pelosi insisted that the sky is in fact blue, with white clouds" counterpoint.
And remember, let's put the X back in Xmas.
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And remember, let's put the X back in Xmas.
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Daniel Okrent is a fuckwit.
That is all.
Off to the gym.
Daniel Okrent is a fuckwit.
That is all.
Off to the gym.
I think the media story of the year should be that the media just gives us "stories" and not the truth.
I think the media story of the year should be that the media just gives us "stories" and not the truth.
we need to make soundclips from that interview she did on NPR, where she whined in her shirley temple persona,
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
seriously, you have to hear her playing up the "poor li'l ingenue" role to understand that our media is not just craven but INCOMPETENT.
we need to make soundclips from that interview she did on NPR, where she whined in her shirley temple persona,
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
seriously, you have to hear her playing up the "poor li'l ingenue" role to understand that our media is not just craven but INCOMPETENT.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting clamping.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting clamping.
Correction:
Daniel Okrent is a sanctimonious, supercilious fuckwit.
That is all.
Correction:
Daniel Okrent is a sanctimonious, supercilious fuckwit.
That is all.
Somewhere under the desert sand,
Precursors make their final stand.
Did she adorn the spot
With a forget-me-not?
Being "expert" is fucking grand.
Somewhere under the desert sand,
Precursors make their final stand.
Did she adorn the spot
With a forget-me-not?
Being "expert" is fucking grand.
Danny Boy says:
It was amazing to me that Adam [Nagourney, the Times' national political reporter] and his colleagues can still keep their eyes on the ball.
Oh puke.
Yeah, the "ball" as in the "cotillion," where you can be consistently wrong (yeah, that "transfer of power" sure did reduce casualties in Iraq this summer, Nags) and idiotically snide ("some Democratic party insiders claim that John Kerry's greatest weakness is his desire to know a lot about his own policy proposals"), and because of that get fawned over as if you know something besides shallow "insider opinion."
Danny Boy says:
It was amazing to me that Adam [Nagourney, the Times' national political reporter] and his colleagues can still keep their eyes on the ball.
Oh puke.
Yeah, the "ball" as in the "cotillion," where you can be consistently wrong (yeah, that "transfer of power" sure did reduce casualties in Iraq this summer, Nags) and idiotically snide ("some Democratic party insiders claim that John Kerry's greatest weakness is his desire to know a lot about his own policy proposals"), and because of that get fawned over as if you know something besides shallow "insider opinion."
He sure does always manage to get in a positive plug for "Adam" doesn't he?
He sure does always manage to get in a positive plug for "Adam" doesn't he?
By contrast:
Geneva Overholser, the Curtis B. Hurley Chair in public affairs reporting, Missouri School of Journalism, Washington bureau
"This was the year when it finally became unmistakably clear that objectivity has outlived its usefulness as an ethical touchstone for journalism. The way it is currently construed, "objectivity" makes the media easily manipulable by an executive branch intent on and adept at controlling the message. It produces a rigid orthodoxy, excluding voices beyond the narrowly conventional.
"And it leads to a false balance of `on the one hand, on the other hand' stories that make the two `hands' appear equal even when factual weight lies 98 percent on one side. Objectivity's most effective use today is as a cudgel in the hands of those who wish to beat up on the media."
By contrast:
Geneva Overholser, the Curtis B. Hurley Chair in public affairs reporting, Missouri School of Journalism, Washington bureau
"This was the year when it finally became unmistakably clear that objectivity has outlived its usefulness as an ethical touchstone for journalism. The way it is currently construed, "objectivity" makes the media easily manipulable by an executive branch intent on and adept at controlling the message. It produces a rigid orthodoxy, excluding voices beyond the narrowly conventional.
"And it leads to a false balance of `on the one hand, on the other hand' stories that make the two `hands' appear equal even when factual weight lies 98 percent on one side. Objectivity's most effective use today is as a cudgel in the hands of those who wish to beat up on the media."
George Will has a column in which he is pushing the Crichton enviornmentalism is a fraud theme. The blue haired scold of establishment "journalism" manages to plug Easterbrook too.
This is going to be the story of the year, at least for a while.
All, and I mean all, conservative columnists always say the same things one after another and they rewrite their own columns at least once a year. We really don't need more than one. And while where cutting down on the redundant, we don't need both The New Republic and The National Review. One should really go during the coming depression.
Order your garden seed early.
George Will has a column in which he is pushing the Crichton enviornmentalism is a fraud theme. The blue haired scold of establishment "journalism" manages to plug Easterbrook too.
This is going to be the story of the year, at least for a while.
All, and I mean all, conservative columnists always say the same things one after another and they rewrite their own columns at least once a year. We really don't need more than one. And while where cutting down on the redundant, we don't need both The New Republic and The National Review. One should really go during the coming depression.
Order your garden seed early.
dt-I hear he positively plugs Adam often.
dt-I hear he positively plugs Adam often.
`on the one hand, on the other hand'
You put your right hand in,
You put your right foot in,
You put the right side in
And you leave the left side out
You spew some Cokie Hokum
And you call it fair.
And that's what it's all about.
`on the one hand, on the other hand'
You put your right hand in,
You put your right foot in,
You put the right side in
And you leave the left side out
You spew some Cokie Hokum
And you call it fair.
And that's what it's all about.
EPT-and in a few years when the glaciers have melted and the coasts are flooded and the effects finally become obvious we can look forward to hearing from conservatives and people like Kristof: "Where were the people raising the issue of globabl warming? Why weren't the so called environmentatlist speaking out? Why is it that conservatives are the only ones who care about this?"
EPT-and in a few years when the glaciers have melted and the coasts are flooded and the effects finally become obvious we can look forward to hearing from conservatives and people like Kristof: "Where were the people raising the issue of globabl warming? Why weren't the so called environmentatlist speaking out? Why is it that conservatives are the only ones who care about this?"
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
And this nut still has a job?
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
And this nut still has a job?
pablo, I almost kicked the radio out the window yesterday when I heard Dick Gordon on The Connection say that "nobody could have predicted what was going to be happening in Iraq..." (Paraphrase). No one except just about the entire left. Not that it got any attention.
Face it, "journalists". We were right, the establishment was wrong.
Greed makes people at least 40% stupider than they would normally be.
pablo, I almost kicked the radio out the window yesterday when I heard Dick Gordon on The Connection say that "nobody could have predicted what was going to be happening in Iraq..." (Paraphrase). No one except just about the entire left. Not that it got any attention.
Face it, "journalists". We were right, the establishment was wrong.
Greed makes people at least 40% stupider than they would normally be.
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
And this nut still has a job?
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
And this nut still has a job?
we need to make soundclips from that interview she did on NPR, where she whined
in her shirley temple persona,
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
seriously, you have to hear her playing up the "poor li'l ingenue" role to understand that
our media is not just craven but INCOMPETENT.
n69n | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 11:11 am | #
I swear to god:
I have told this story to countless
people over the last couple of months
-- good, decent, liberal folks -- and
to a person they didn't believe it.
we need to make soundclips from that interview she did on NPR, where she whined
in her shirley temple persona,
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
seriously, you have to hear her playing up the "poor li'l ingenue" role to understand that
our media is not just craven but INCOMPETENT.
n69n | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 11:11 am | #
I swear to god:
I have told this story to countless
people over the last couple of months
-- good, decent, liberal folks -- and
to a person they didn't believe it.
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
If Juith Miller could have known and told us what Chalabi was really thinking, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
If Juith Miller could have known and told us what Chalabi was really thinking, maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.
The "no one could have predicted what would happen in Iraq" excuse is the lowest of the low. 90% of the planet predicted accurately.
The "no one could have predicted what would happen in Iraq" excuse is the lowest of the low. 90% of the planet predicted accurately.
OT:
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OT:
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Judith is lying.
She isn't probing what they are THINKING or she would be publishing pornography.
Judith is lying.
She isn't probing what they are THINKING or she would be publishing pornography.
OT: My appologies to Judy Swallow of the BBC for the mean thing I said about you earlier this year while you were doing The Connection. The interview you had with that guy from Iraq this morning was great, the kind of thing we never hear from American interviewers.
They should all start asking aggressive, pointed, don't bull-shit us questions. Even when those irritate me they're more useful than American style one hand the other hand crap.
OT: My appologies to Judy Swallow of the BBC for the mean thing I said about you earlier this year while you were doing The Connection. The interview you had with that guy from Iraq this morning was great, the kind of thing we never hear from American interviewers.
They should all start asking aggressive, pointed, don't bull-shit us questions. Even when those irritate me they're more useful than American style one hand the other hand crap.
NYMary:
So are you and Thersites gonna be
in town the next couple of days?
And the divine Watertiger?
NYMary:
So are you and Thersites gonna be
in town the next couple of days?
And the divine Watertiger?
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
So whatever happened to her story on who was behind the outing of Joe Wilson's wife?
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
So whatever happened to her story on who was behind the outing of Joe Wilson's wife?
that Judith Miller story by salon is an education. Sorry to be beyond dense, but always wondered why everyone here was foaming at the mouth over Miller. Aaugh!
Thanks for putting it up, Atrios.
that Judith Miller story by salon is an education. Sorry to be beyond dense, but always wondered why everyone here was foaming at the mouth over Miller. Aaugh!
Thanks for putting it up, Atrios.
Heh, heh, you said Judy Swallow.
Heh, heh, you said Judy Swallow.
Greed makes people at least 40% stupider than they would normally be.
Greed is Good. oh, wait, that was the eighties. for the new century we have'
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
any dufus with a computer and a passing interest in current events would have known how ugly this war would get. opposed or unopposed they should have been, they could have been, prepared. but you know "what's the difference" we're there, that's what they wanted.
Democracy Now! played Bill Moyers' speech to the Media Reform conference in Madison from back in May(the transcript is online here, but I didn't look diligently for it).
Moyers ripped electronic media a new one in that speech. Funny, I don't remember heavy coverage of it in the NYT. I don't even remember the NYT making a point out of complete journalistic nonsense like this:
That's how I felt when I saw Oliver North reporting on Fox from Iraq, pressing our embattled troops to respond to his repetitive and belittling question, "Does Fox Rock? Does Fox Rock?�" Oliver North and I may be in the same 'media' but we are not part of the same message.
Okrent is whining while Rome burns.
Greed makes people at least 40% stupider than they would normally be.
Greed is Good. oh, wait, that was the eighties. for the new century we have'
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
any dufus with a computer and a passing interest in current events would have known how ugly this war would get. opposed or unopposed they should have been, they could have been, prepared. but you know "what's the difference" we're there, that's what they wanted.
Democracy Now! played Bill Moyers' speech to the Media Reform conference in Madison from back in May(the transcript is online here, but I didn't look diligently for it).
Moyers ripped electronic media a new one in that speech. Funny, I don't remember heavy coverage of it in the NYT. I don't even remember the NYT making a point out of complete journalistic nonsense like this:
That's how I felt when I saw Oliver North reporting on Fox from Iraq, pressing our embattled troops to respond to his repetitive and belittling question, "Does Fox Rock? Does Fox Rock?�" Oliver North and I may be in the same 'media' but we are not part of the same message.
Okrent is whining while Rome burns.
steve,
we're coming in the 26th. I'll drop you a line as stuff shapes up. Also, we have to invite The Kenosha Kid this time.
steve,
we're coming in the 26th. I'll drop you a line as stuff shapes up. Also, we have to invite The Kenosha Kid this time.
NYMary:
That would be Sunday.
Oh crap -- I'm supposed to cook
for my mom that day.
Are you going to a show? Will you
be having a drink afterwards or
going right home?
Damn.....
NYMary:
That would be Sunday.
Oh crap -- I'm supposed to cook
for my mom that day.
Are you going to a show? Will you
be having a drink afterwards or
going right home?
Damn.....
steve, nah, we'll be there for several days. We'll figure it out.
steve, nah, we'll be there for several days. We'll figure it out.
My dad used to be a journalist in southern & central Ontario. He did some good work. I was proud & impressed, so much so that I considered following in his footsteps. I ended up getting my BFA in Creative Writing. I didn't want to be a part of journalism as it stands today. My dad's era is gone.
My dad used to be a journalist in southern & central Ontario. He did some good work. I was proud & impressed, so much so that I considered following in his footsteps. I ended up getting my BFA in Creative Writing. I didn't want to be a part of journalism as it stands today. My dad's era is gone.
If all the J-schools in the country, and all the MFA programs in creative writing, were to magically swap their staffs, student bodies, and alumni overnight, would anyone notice?
When will papers and wire services in civilized countries start using the tag we used for decades for Pravda and Isvestia and the People's Daily -- 'state-run American media today announced...'?
If all the J-schools in the country, and all the MFA programs in creative writing, were to magically swap their staffs, student bodies, and alumni overnight, would anyone notice?
When will papers and wire services in civilized countries start using the tag we used for decades for Pravda and Isvestia and the People's Daily -- 'state-run American media today announced...'?
NYMary:
Excellent.
I have a great watering hole with
a cool jukebox.
If you're gonna be on the west side.
Merry Christmas!
NYMary:
Excellent.
I have a great watering hole with
a cool jukebox.
If you're gonna be on the west side.
Merry Christmas!
Stupid media............. But on a happy note here is a picture Jack in his pink baby shirt
Stupid media............. But on a happy note here is a picture Jack in his pink baby shirt
Anyone who buys that rag now is nuts.
Why put money in their pockets?
Anyone who buys that rag now is nuts.
Why put money in their pockets?
But on a happy note here is a picture Jack in his pink baby shirt
O! The Humanity! The Humanity!
But on a happy note here is a picture Jack in his pink baby shirt
O! The Humanity! The Humanity!
An early retirement gift for Danny Boy...
An early retirement gift for Danny Boy...
"Objectivity" in news was never more than an advertizing gimmick, invented by Hearst to steal advertizers from Pulitzer...
"Objectivity" in news was never more than an advertizing gimmick, invented by Hearst to steal advertizers from Pulitzer...
It's too bad that H.L. Mencken was cremated, we could hook up a dynamo to his coffin and power L.A. if not the entire state of sunny CA.
It's too bad that H.L. Mencken was cremated, we could hook up a dynamo to his coffin and power L.A. if not the entire state of sunny CA.
When will papers and wire services in civilized countries start using the tag we used for decades for Pravda and Isvestia and the People's Daily -- 'state-run American media today announced...'?
Davis X. Machina
Ooops: Shoulda also added
In the Corporate State, corporate media are already the State Media...
When will papers and wire services in civilized countries start using the tag we used for decades for Pravda and Isvestia and the People's Daily -- 'state-run American media today announced...'?
Davis X. Machina
Ooops: Shoulda also added
In the Corporate State, corporate media are already the State Media...
A few months ago the Times printed a front-page story in which parenthetically the massive bank failures in the Eighties was attributed to excess government regulation.
This is not a misstatement of fact; this is truth turned on its head. This is a lie. The simple fact is and was that the S & L crisis was caused not by too much government regulation, but by the loosening of existing regulations. It's really a matter of historical fact. It's not open to argument.
I sent a letter to Okrent, expecting a quick apology and a correction. That's not what happened. He didn't choose to recognize or discuss the matter of the Times printing a lie. He passed the matter on to another editor (the editor of the original story) who did nothing.
Okrent is a shill, a hack, and truly despicable. He is in a position where he could make a difference and instead he chose to defend the powers-that-be and their lies. I have nothing but the utmost contempt for him. I only hope that someday, somehow, he is called to account for his behavior.
A few months ago the Times printed a front-page story in which parenthetically the massive bank failures in the Eighties was attributed to excess government regulation.
This is not a misstatement of fact; this is truth turned on its head. This is a lie. The simple fact is and was that the S & L crisis was caused not by too much government regulation, but by the loosening of existing regulations. It's really a matter of historical fact. It's not open to argument.
I sent a letter to Okrent, expecting a quick apology and a correction. That's not what happened. He didn't choose to recognize or discuss the matter of the Times printing a lie. He passed the matter on to another editor (the editor of the original story) who did nothing.
Okrent is a shill, a hack, and truly despicable. He is in a position where he could make a difference and instead he chose to defend the powers-that-be and their lies. I have nothing but the utmost contempt for him. I only hope that someday, somehow, he is called to account for his behavior.
Imagine Okrent, Nagourney, and Miller sitting around a table having drinks. It would be a sort of bizarro Algonquin Round Table with none of the wit and twice the vitriol.
Merry Chrismahannukwaanztice to everyone.
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Imagine Okrent, Nagourney, and Miller sitting around a table having drinks. It would be a sort of bizarro Algonquin Round Table with none of the wit and twice the vitriol.
Merry Chrismahannukwaanztice to everyone.
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Is Judy eating the 'shrooms again? They found no weapons of mass destruction. How can she be right about something that doesn't exist? What a maroon!
Is Judy eating the 'shrooms again? They found no weapons of mass destruction. How can she be right about something that doesn't exist? What a maroon!
Bottom line:
All major media outlets -- newspapers,
tv networks, etc -- have been covert
agents of the American government
since the end of WWII.
Maybe before, but I don't know.
Even crappy mags like the one I used
to be on staff with -- a hi/fi mag.
It's star writer was a CIA agent.
I am not making this up.
Bottom line:
All major media outlets -- newspapers,
tv networks, etc -- have been covert
agents of the American government
since the end of WWII.
Maybe before, but I don't know.
Even crappy mags like the one I used
to be on staff with -- a hi/fi mag.
It's star writer was a CIA agent.
I am not making this up.
1,316! May George occupy the hottest ring in hell.
1,316! May George occupy the hottest ring in hell.
in case there was any doubt in anyone's mind:
Iraqi militants wanted Bush reelected
in case there was any doubt in anyone's mind:
Iraqi militants wanted Bush reelected
OT, but here's your Happy Holidays Catblogging!
OT, but here's your Happy Holidays Catblogging!
okrent wants to grow up to be bob scheiffer
okrent wants to grow up to be bob scheiffer
I am not making this up.
steve simels
It's been since WWI, when Wilson needed help ginning the country up for the war he kept us our of...ya shure you betcha...with the help of the nascent Public Relations industry, under the direction of Freud's favorite nephew, Edward Bernays...
I am not making this up.
steve simels
It's been since WWI, when Wilson needed help ginning the country up for the war he kept us our of...ya shure you betcha...with the help of the nascent Public Relations industry, under the direction of Freud's favorite nephew, Edward Bernays...
The media story of 2004 is the total implosion of the American press.
I don't know of a newspaper worth reading, or a television news program worth watching, in the entire fucking country.
The closest thing I can find these days is here.
The media story of 2004 is the total implosion of the American press.
I don't know of a newspaper worth reading, or a television news program worth watching, in the entire fucking country.
The closest thing I can find these days is here.
Mary,
good looking kid. i think theresites (?) was one of the first people i met in here.
Mary,
good looking kid. i think theresites (?) was one of the first people i met in here.
Christ on a crutch.
I thought somebody was gonna
tell me I was wrong.
Suicide or non-stop hookers and blow:
What's the right choice?
BTW: I'm kidding about the hookers
and blow.
Christ on a crutch.
I thought somebody was gonna
tell me I was wrong.
Suicide or non-stop hookers and blow:
What's the right choice?
BTW: I'm kidding about the hookers
and blow.
All major media outlets -- newspapers, tv networks, etc -- have been covert agents of the American government since the end of WWII.
Louis Althusser called them "Ideological State Apparati", which about described them perfectly... unfortunately, nobody paid any attention to Althusser cuz he was, ya know, a French Commie...he was pretty wacked out at the end, having died in prison for the murder of his wife...
But the followers of Bush have no room for complaint or comparison here, ceteris paribus...
All major media outlets -- newspapers, tv networks, etc -- have been covert agents of the American government since the end of WWII.
Louis Althusser called them "Ideological State Apparati", which about described them perfectly... unfortunately, nobody paid any attention to Althusser cuz he was, ya know, a French Commie...he was pretty wacked out at the end, having died in prison for the murder of his wife...
But the followers of Bush have no room for complaint or comparison here, ceteris paribus...
Dr. Pedant -
I most enjoyed the Times' story this morning concern the Chinese involvement in the Alberta oil industry - a story that went on for pages without bothering to mention that the Chinese government effectively is in the process of obtaining control of Husky Oil, of Calgary, and all its pipeline access and exploration rights. The Times story seems predicated on the idea that such involvement might-maybe happen, but that everything was status quo and besides it's just Alberta and anyway they like the US best. Just a remarkable bit of misdirection and mis-statement which seems almost designed to pacify - who or what I cannot imagine. Fascinating work tho.
Dr. Pedant -
I most enjoyed the Times' story this morning concern the Chinese involvement in the Alberta oil industry - a story that went on for pages without bothering to mention that the Chinese government effectively is in the process of obtaining control of Husky Oil, of Calgary, and all its pipeline access and exploration rights. The Times story seems predicated on the idea that such involvement might-maybe happen, but that everything was status quo and besides it's just Alberta and anyway they like the US best. Just a remarkable bit of misdirection and mis-statement which seems almost designed to pacify - who or what I cannot imagine. Fascinating work tho.
OT, but via Betty Bowers, here's a letter to Laura Bush:
DATE: 12/18/2004
SUBJECT: merry christmas
NAME: sharron reece
MESSAGE: i am very upset at what i a m hearing about not being allowed to use merry christmas in christmas carols and greetings. this is infringing on my rights. i can not believe that more of our christianity is being taken away from us. it has to stop. our military is serving and dying in countries to tach them christianity and we are losing those right here in the usa. please.do what you can to stop this or tell me what i can do . thank you.
sharron reece
Dear Sharron,
It is a burden the Lord Jesus has asked us to bear, dear. Being a persecuted minority of 90% of the population is never easy. Especially when the remaining 10% willfully refuse to not be polite enough to act exactly like we tell them to act. As a Christian, when someone smiles, waves and doesn't greet me with the exact words I demand, sometimes I feel like beating them to a bloody blob of Christ-hating hamburger meat.
Fondly,
- Laura
OT, but via Betty Bowers, here's a letter to Laura Bush:
DATE: 12/18/2004
SUBJECT: merry christmas
NAME: sharron reece
MESSAGE: i am very upset at what i a m hearing about not being allowed to use merry christmas in christmas carols and greetings. this is infringing on my rights. i can not believe that more of our christianity is being taken away from us. it has to stop. our military is serving and dying in countries to tach them christianity and we are losing those right here in the usa. please.do what you can to stop this or tell me what i can do . thank you.
sharron reece
Dear Sharron,
It is a burden the Lord Jesus has asked us to bear, dear. Being a persecuted minority of 90% of the population is never easy. Especially when the remaining 10% willfully refuse to not be polite enough to act exactly like we tell them to act. As a Christian, when someone smiles, waves and doesn't greet me with the exact words I demand, sometimes I feel like beating them to a bloody blob of Christ-hating hamburger meat.
Fondly,
- Laura
Suicide or non-stop hookers and blow:
What's the right choice?
BTW: I'm kidding about the hookers
and blow.
No, no - you're on the right track!
Though frankly if I were looking for something to calm me down, blow would not be my first choice...
Suicide or non-stop hookers and blow:
What's the right choice?
BTW: I'm kidding about the hookers
and blow.
No, no - you're on the right track!
Though frankly if I were looking for something to calm me down, blow would not be my first choice...
dave - LOL - It is a burden the Lord Jesus has asked us to bear, dear. Being a persecuted minority of 90% of the population is never easy
That's priceless. The Dallas paper had 6 letters from persecuted xians this morning, bitching about PC and christmas.
dave - LOL - It is a burden the Lord Jesus has asked us to bear, dear. Being a persecuted minority of 90% of the population is never easy
That's priceless. The Dallas paper had 6 letters from persecuted xians this morning, bitching about PC and christmas.
The media story of 2004 is the total implosion of the American press.
Agreed. I'm a former reader of 3-4 newspapers a day as well as a CNN junkie. Now the only newspaper I buy is the Sunday NY Times, and I swore off cable news in January 2001.
The media story of 2004 is the total implosion of the American press.
Agreed. I'm a former reader of 3-4 newspapers a day as well as a CNN junkie. Now the only newspaper I buy is the Sunday NY Times, and I swore off cable news in January 2001.
BTW: I'm kidding about the hookers
and blow.
No, no - you're on the right track!
Though frankly if I were looking for something to calm me down, blow would not be my first choice...
dave | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 12:35 pm | #
Dave:
In the abstract I agree with you,
but I wanna go out like John Garfield.
Having a heart attack while having
sex with a woman not my wife.
BTW: I'm kidding about the hookers
and blow.
No, no - you're on the right track!
Though frankly if I were looking for something to calm me down, blow would not be my first choice...
dave | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 12:35 pm | #
Dave:
In the abstract I agree with you,
but I wanna go out like John Garfield.
Having a heart attack while having
sex with a woman not my wife.
"Having a heart attack while having
sex with a woman not my wife."
steve simels - somehow, I imagine your wife would like that too.
"Having a heart attack while having
sex with a woman not my wife."
steve simels - somehow, I imagine your wife would like that too.
GWPDA,
Yeah. Pacify, lie, misdirect, anything, oh God, anything but the truth!
GWPDA,
Yeah. Pacify, lie, misdirect, anything, oh God, anything but the truth!
steve simels - somehow, I imagine your wife would like that too.
GWPDA | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 12:40 pm | #
How unkind.
steve simels - somehow, I imagine your wife would like that too.
GWPDA | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 12:40 pm | #
How unkind.
from the salon piece:
"The White House had a perfect deal with Miller," he said. "Chalabi is providing the Bush people with the information they need to support their political objectives with Iraq, and he is supplying the same material to Judy Miller. Chalabi tips her on something and then she goes to the White House, which has already heard the same thing from Chalabi, and she gets it corroborated by some insider she always describes as a 'senior administration official.' She also got the Pentagon to confirm things for her, which made sense, since they were working so closely with Chalabi. Too bad Judy didn't spend a little more time talking to those of us in the intelligence community who had information that contradicted almost everything Chalabi said."
Long after the fact, Miller conceded in her interview with me that she was wrong about the aluminum tubes, but not that she had made a mistake.
"We worked our asses off to get that story," she said. "No one leaked anything to us. I reported what I knew at the time. I wish I were omniscient. I wish I were God and had all the information I had needed. But I'm not God and I don't know. All I can rely on is what people tell me. That's all any investigative reporter can do. And if you find out that it's not true, you go back and write that. You just keep chipping away at an assertion until you find out what stands up."
i think judy thinks she's graded on "effort"
from the salon piece:
"The White House had a perfect deal with Miller," he said. "Chalabi is providing the Bush people with the information they need to support their political objectives with Iraq, and he is supplying the same material to Judy Miller. Chalabi tips her on something and then she goes to the White House, which has already heard the same thing from Chalabi, and she gets it corroborated by some insider she always describes as a 'senior administration official.' She also got the Pentagon to confirm things for her, which made sense, since they were working so closely with Chalabi. Too bad Judy didn't spend a little more time talking to those of us in the intelligence community who had information that contradicted almost everything Chalabi said."
Long after the fact, Miller conceded in her interview with me that she was wrong about the aluminum tubes, but not that she had made a mistake.
"We worked our asses off to get that story," she said. "No one leaked anything to us. I reported what I knew at the time. I wish I were omniscient. I wish I were God and had all the information I had needed. But I'm not God and I don't know. All I can rely on is what people tell me. That's all any investigative reporter can do. And if you find out that it's not true, you go back and write that. You just keep chipping away at an assertion until you find out what stands up."
i think judy thinks she's graded on "effort"
Simon Rosenberg takes on the ponyhawks.
Simon Rosenberg takes on the ponyhawks.
oh steve, you knew somebody would say it...
oh steve, you knew somebody would say it...
GDWPA:
Well, okay.....
GDWPA:
Well, okay.....
dave...great catblogging!
dave...great catblogging!
...more...
A story titled "Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert" was based on a source she never met or even interviewed. For that story, Miller watched a man in a baseball cap from a distance, who pointed at the desert floor, and used that as a basis for filing a piece that confirmed the U.S. had discovered "precursors to weapons of mass destruction." According to her sources in the Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha of the U.S. Army, this unnamed scientist from Hussein's WMD program had told them the "building blocks" of WMD were buried in that spot. Miller explained to me several months later that she had seen a letter from the man, written in Arabic and translated for her, that gave his claims credence.
"I have a photograph of him," she explained. "I know who he is. There's no way I would have gone forward with such a story without knowing who my source was, even if I got it from guys in my unit. You know, maybe it turns out that he was lying or ill-informed or cannot be independently verified."
The next day she was on national television, including PBS's "NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," proclaiming that what had been discovered was "more than a smoking gun" and was a "silver bullet in the form of an Iraqi scientist."
...more...
A story titled "Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert" was based on a source she never met or even interviewed. For that story, Miller watched a man in a baseball cap from a distance, who pointed at the desert floor, and used that as a basis for filing a piece that confirmed the U.S. had discovered "precursors to weapons of mass destruction." According to her sources in the Mobile Exploitation Team Alpha of the U.S. Army, this unnamed scientist from Hussein's WMD program had told them the "building blocks" of WMD were buried in that spot. Miller explained to me several months later that she had seen a letter from the man, written in Arabic and translated for her, that gave his claims credence.
"I have a photograph of him," she explained. "I know who he is. There's no way I would have gone forward with such a story without knowing who my source was, even if I got it from guys in my unit. You know, maybe it turns out that he was lying or ill-informed or cannot be independently verified."
The next day she was on national television, including PBS's "NewsHour with Jim Lehrer," proclaiming that what had been discovered was "more than a smoking gun" and was a "silver bullet in the form of an Iraqi scientist."
You just keep chipping away at an assertion until you find out what stands up."
Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Judy's a chippee...
You just keep chipping away at an assertion until you find out what stands up."
Somehow it doesn't surprise me that Judy's a chippee...
if SNL had any guts, they would do a sketch of Judy Miller dressed as shirley temple, tap-dancing & singing "ON THE GOOD SHIP NEO-CON"
but then, our media has left the people so UNINFORMED that no one would get the joke.
if SNL had any guts, they would do a sketch of Judy Miller dressed as shirley temple, tap-dancing & singing "ON THE GOOD SHIP NEO-CON"
but then, our media has left the people so UNINFORMED that no one would get the joke.
GDWPA:
Sorry...got a little sensitive.
Happy Secular Holiday!!!!!!
GDWPA:
Sorry...got a little sensitive.
Happy Secular Holiday!!!!!!
It's snowing in Houston, first time in, well, can't remember. Not sticking or anything, only a few flakes, but we'll take what we can get.
It's snowing in Houston, first time in, well, can't remember. Not sticking or anything, only a few flakes, but we'll take what we can get.
All you learned in journalism school is to write things like, "The Bush administration announced that the sky was purple with pink polka dots, others disagree", with relevant matching quotes.
You forgot the "House Minority Leader Pelosi insisted that the sky is in fact blue, with white clouds" counterpoint.
You also forgot where commentators and pundits then question why the Democrats, in insisting that "the sky is, in fact, blue, with white clouds", are so out of touch with mainstream America. The "liberal" pundit might even point out how the Dems. out to get their facts right and that the clouds sometimes appear grey and at sunset do appear to be pink polka-dots on a purple background in middle America, at least - so the Dems. shouldn't force their coastal perspective of how the sky looks on middle America.
All you learned in journalism school is to write things like, "The Bush administration announced that the sky was purple with pink polka dots, others disagree", with relevant matching quotes.
You forgot the "House Minority Leader Pelosi insisted that the sky is in fact blue, with white clouds" counterpoint.
You also forgot where commentators and pundits then question why the Democrats, in insisting that "the sky is, in fact, blue, with white clouds", are so out of touch with mainstream America. The "liberal" pundit might even point out how the Dems. out to get their facts right and that the clouds sometimes appear grey and at sunset do appear to be pink polka-dots on a purple background in middle America, at least - so the Dems. shouldn't force their coastal perspective of how the sky looks on middle America.
The NY Times is very much a mixed bag these days. On the one hand you have stenographers like Miller whose reporting about WMDs was essentially wrong. On the other, David Cay Johnston is one of the few major newspaper reporters to report cogently on Bush's fiscal and tax policies, and Krugman is one of the few columnists in the land to say Bush's economic, tax and fiscal policies are B.S. and explain why.
The NY Times is very much a mixed bag these days. On the one hand you have stenographers like Miller whose reporting about WMDs was essentially wrong. On the other, David Cay Johnston is one of the few major newspaper reporters to report cogently on Bush's fiscal and tax policies, and Krugman is one of the few columnists in the land to say Bush's economic, tax and fiscal policies are B.S. and explain why.
Hey Tena, I wasn't complaining about the chocolate pecan pie.
Hey Tena, I wasn't complaining about the chocolate pecan pie.
Ahh, letters to the editor. This morning, from the St. Pete Times (I couldn't find the article that prompted either of these):
Re: Merry Christmas . . . or else, Dec. 19.
I also have wished a "Merry Christmas" to every cashier at the stores I have shopped in during the past several weeks, from Atlanta to Miami. If they don't respond with "Merry Christmas" or something similar, I simply leave my merchandise at the checkout counter and leave, telling the cashier that I did not receive the proper response, and that I do not accept the "politically correct nonsense" as being in the true spirit and that I did not need the items enough to accept their business practice, and will not shop where they do not recognize Christmas as being important to many of us.
-- Richard Deininger, Largo
ARRRRGH! But followed by this:
Minding our holiday manners
Re: Merry Christmas . . . or else.
How petty it would be of me were I not to wish you a "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays." How very petty and "un-Christian" it is of you to insist that I say one rather than the other.
I wish my Jewish friends a Happy Hanukkah. I wish my Christian friends a Merry Christmas. I wish those that I know celebrate Kwaanza a Happy Kwaanza. When I am uncertain of their affiliation, a "Happy Holidays" seems appropriate. This is not a matter of political correctness but rather one of good manners. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - especially in this holiday (excuse me, Christmas) season.
-- Manuel Steven Farber, Tampa
Ahh, letters to the editor. This morning, from the St. Pete Times (I couldn't find the article that prompted either of these):
Re: Merry Christmas . . . or else, Dec. 19.
I also have wished a "Merry Christmas" to every cashier at the stores I have shopped in during the past several weeks, from Atlanta to Miami. If they don't respond with "Merry Christmas" or something similar, I simply leave my merchandise at the checkout counter and leave, telling the cashier that I did not receive the proper response, and that I do not accept the "politically correct nonsense" as being in the true spirit and that I did not need the items enough to accept their business practice, and will not shop where they do not recognize Christmas as being important to many of us.
-- Richard Deininger, Largo
ARRRRGH! But followed by this:
Minding our holiday manners
Re: Merry Christmas . . . or else.
How petty it would be of me were I not to wish you a "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays." How very petty and "un-Christian" it is of you to insist that I say one rather than the other.
I wish my Jewish friends a Happy Hanukkah. I wish my Christian friends a Merry Christmas. I wish those that I know celebrate Kwaanza a Happy Kwaanza. When I am uncertain of their affiliation, a "Happy Holidays" seems appropriate. This is not a matter of political correctness but rather one of good manners. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - especially in this holiday (excuse me, Christmas) season.
-- Manuel Steven Farber, Tampa
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
NYT could save a lot of money if it just hired people to hold microphones and stenos to do the transcription and press the print button. Maybe send out the occasional photographer.
Happy Holidays to all!
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
NYT could save a lot of money if it just hired people to hold microphones and stenos to do the transcription and press the print button. Maybe send out the occasional photographer.
Happy Holidays to all!
chris/tx - Dang! I wish the snow had held off here until today, because we are going to get a rapid warming up up here in Dallas. But I'm really glad for y'all that the front got down there.
Happy Everything - chris. If you have to live in Houston, you at least deserve a little Christmas weather. Or seasonal weather - whichever you prefer.
chris/tx - Dang! I wish the snow had held off here until today, because we are going to get a rapid warming up up here in Dallas. But I'm really glad for y'all that the front got down there.
Happy Everything - chris. If you have to live in Houston, you at least deserve a little Christmas weather. Or seasonal weather - whichever you prefer.
The major media story has to be how they helped convince America that we had a free and open election and that Bush actually won the popular vote.
Media - when it is bought - it stays bought.
The major media story has to be how they helped convince America that we had a free and open election and that Bush actually won the popular vote.
Media - when it is bought - it stays bought.
Today's media: no courage, no decency, no honor.
Today's media: no courage, no decency, no honor.
silleigh - there were 6 letters to the Dallas paper this morning from xians bitching about a column in which the writer decried the Christmas whining from the belligerent xian contingent. Every single letter said that all of the writer's non-xian friends weren't offended by "Merry Christmas." Strangely, none of those Jewish/Muslim/African Americans wrote in themselves to say they weren't offended.
Bleed, bleed bleed. Can we expect all the poor martyred xians to go to their great reward for New Year's? I mean, how long can they continue to bleed before they keel over?
silleigh - there were 6 letters to the Dallas paper this morning from xians bitching about a column in which the writer decried the Christmas whining from the belligerent xian contingent. Every single letter said that all of the writer's non-xian friends weren't offended by "Merry Christmas." Strangely, none of those Jewish/Muslim/African Americans wrote in themselves to say they weren't offended.
Bleed, bleed bleed. Can we expect all the poor martyred xians to go to their great reward for New Year's? I mean, how long can they continue to bleed before they keel over?
Y'know:
Somedays I think this shit is too
serious to joke about....
And somedays I think joking about it
is the only sane possibility.
Y'know:
Somedays I think this shit is too
serious to joke about....
And somedays I think joking about it
is the only sane possibility.
Regarding "the Holidays":
Hasn't anybody figured this out? Just wish people a "Happy New Year" and everything will be ok (is EGBOK a nationwide thing or just an LA thing?
Sure different cultures and faiths have other New Years - but pretty much everyone celebrates the American/Secular/Gregorian New Year in one way or the other.
'Course, maybe its 'cause I grew up right accross the San Gabriel River from Long Beach, CA, but I also would vote for changing our national celebration of Christmas to a national celebration of the far more inclusive holiday of Kwaansa. It's a truly American holiday, and if we let the Christians alone have Christmas, maybe they can put the Christ back into it like they are always saying they want to do but we won't let them!
Regarding "the Holidays":
Hasn't anybody figured this out? Just wish people a "Happy New Year" and everything will be ok (is EGBOK a nationwide thing or just an LA thing?
Sure different cultures and faiths have other New Years - but pretty much everyone celebrates the American/Secular/Gregorian New Year in one way or the other.
'Course, maybe its 'cause I grew up right accross the San Gabriel River from Long Beach, CA, but I also would vote for changing our national celebration of Christmas to a national celebration of the far more inclusive holiday of Kwaansa. It's a truly American holiday, and if we let the Christians alone have Christmas, maybe they can put the Christ back into it like they are always saying they want to do but we won't let them!
Silleigh - the letters were so similar to the one you quote that now I think it was astro-turfing.
Sneaky damn xians.
Silleigh - the letters were so similar to the one you quote that now I think it was astro-turfing.
Sneaky damn xians.
Tena - The best back to you, and many thanks for keeping me sane the last couple years. It's not much snow, but our dogs are outside running around covered in flakes. Off to some festivities...
Tena - The best back to you, and many thanks for keeping me sane the last couple years. It's not much snow, but our dogs are outside running around covered in flakes. Off to some festivities...
steve,
Thus the joy & sadness of Eschaton....
Happy secular holidays to you too.
steve,
Thus the joy & sadness of Eschaton....
Happy secular holidays to you too.
As one of those benighted souls with a journalism degree (something I regretted almost the moment I was handed the diploma), I can tell you when I was in J-school, stenography was not in the curriculum. This was, however, in the immediate post-Watergate era, when reporters believed that the truth was the objective of journalism. I don't know what they teach in J-schools today; probably the proper application of TV makeup.
As one of those benighted souls with a journalism degree (something I regretted almost the moment I was handed the diploma), I can tell you when I was in J-school, stenography was not in the curriculum. This was, however, in the immediate post-Watergate era, when reporters believed that the truth was the objective of journalism. I don't know what they teach in J-schools today; probably the proper application of TV makeup.
The major media story has to be how they helped convince America that we had a free and open election and that Bush actually won the popular vote.
Agree...I still can't believe how it all went down that night. That sudden, turn-on-a-dime, late-evening reversal from Kerry to Bush, and the repeated insistence by the media that "Well, everything went so smoothly this time, what a decisive mandate victory for Bush, thank God this isn't going to drag out for weeks like Gore did. Moral values." (*choke*, spit out semen)
There was no way in HELL they were gonna let Kerry win, and I think deep down inside I knew it, even though I was wildly optimistic up to the morning of Nov. 2.
The major media story has to be how they helped convince America that we had a free and open election and that Bush actually won the popular vote.
Agree...I still can't believe how it all went down that night. That sudden, turn-on-a-dime, late-evening reversal from Kerry to Bush, and the repeated insistence by the media that "Well, everything went so smoothly this time, what a decisive mandate victory for Bush, thank God this isn't going to drag out for weeks like Gore did. Moral values." (*choke*, spit out semen)
There was no way in HELL they were gonna let Kerry win, and I think deep down inside I knew it, even though I was wildly optimistic up to the morning of Nov. 2.
Happy secular holidays to you too.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 1:11 pm | #
Right back at ya, kiddo.
Loved the baby pics, BTW.
Happy secular holidays to you too.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 1:11 pm | #
Right back at ya, kiddo.
Loved the baby pics, BTW.
chris/tx - Right back at you, love. Have a wonderful time.
chris/tx - Right back at you, love. Have a wonderful time.
Tena...same thing in my local rag, despite the fact that the local state college held several Christmas concerts, the city had a Christmas parade, and every TV station in the market carried a Christmas special from a local Assemblies of God church. We should all suffer such persecution. To top it off, the local rag ran a typically illogical rant from Kathleen Parker on the same subject. The wingnuts control all branches of government and their Congressional leaders openly consort with whack jobs like the Rev. Moon with impunity, and they're persecuted? Now that's chutzpah.
Tena...same thing in my local rag, despite the fact that the local state college held several Christmas concerts, the city had a Christmas parade, and every TV station in the market carried a Christmas special from a local Assemblies of God church. We should all suffer such persecution. To top it off, the local rag ran a typically illogical rant from Kathleen Parker on the same subject. The wingnuts control all branches of government and their Congressional leaders openly consort with whack jobs like the Rev. Moon with impunity, and they're persecuted? Now that's chutzpah.
no point, but...
Who was the genius at the Sci-Fi
channel who thought their holiday
marathon would be well served by
running Battlefield Earth and
Waterworld?
Like there's a cult for either of
those?
no point, but...
Who was the genius at the Sci-Fi
channel who thought their holiday
marathon would be well served by
running Battlefield Earth and
Waterworld?
Like there's a cult for either of
those?
NYMary - Yeah, I love your babyblogging. You have gorgeous children.
NYMary - Yeah, I love your babyblogging. You have gorgeous children.
Buzz Bomb,
An important subplot in that story was that the evidence for the whole "moral values" meme came from the same technique, exit polling, which showed that Kerry won!
Buzz Bomb,
An important subplot in that story was that the evidence for the whole "moral values" meme came from the same technique, exit polling, which showed that Kerry won!
don't know what they teach in J-schools today; probably the proper application of TV makeup.
Fed up
When i was teaching in the LSU j-school (lately purchased by the Manship family, a prominent quasi-journalist family in Red Stick), i suggested a very unpopular measure: Jopurnalism should not be offered as a major, but instead as a minor; any aspiring journalist ought to have a solid background in some OTHER discipline...
it didn't go over well.
btw, journalism is usually now an afterthought in universities, anyway. it is contained in schools of Mass Communications, or Media, or some other funky name. And make-up IS part of the (so-called) curriculum of TV news...i kid not...
oy yoy yoy
don't know what they teach in J-schools today; probably the proper application of TV makeup.
Fed up
When i was teaching in the LSU j-school (lately purchased by the Manship family, a prominent quasi-journalist family in Red Stick), i suggested a very unpopular measure: Jopurnalism should not be offered as a major, but instead as a minor; any aspiring journalist ought to have a solid background in some OTHER discipline...
it didn't go over well.
btw, journalism is usually now an afterthought in universities, anyway. it is contained in schools of Mass Communications, or Media, or some other funky name. And make-up IS part of the (so-called) curriculum of TV news...i kid not...
oy yoy yoy
Packers vs Vikings 3 pm EST. Winner takes NFC North.
Packers vs Vikings 3 pm EST. Winner takes NFC North.
DAS - The Economist published poll results that showed that the number of voters citing "moral values" as a prime issue for them is way way down since 1996. In '96, 40% cited "moral values." In '00, it was 35%, and in '04 it was only 22%.
The whole thing is a huge strawman that the fundies and the Rovians cooked up to support the non-mandate.
They're going to milk it for all it's worth, and much more, because it's not worth much.
DAS - The Economist published poll results that showed that the number of voters citing "moral values" as a prime issue for them is way way down since 1996. In '96, 40% cited "moral values." In '00, it was 35%, and in '04 it was only 22%.
The whole thing is a huge strawman that the fundies and the Rovians cooked up to support the non-mandate.
They're going to milk it for all it's worth, and much more, because it's not worth much.
Silleigh - the letters were so similar to the one you quote that now I think it was astro-turfing.
If you feel like sending a link my way, I'd be happy to let the SPT folks know if they got 'turfed.
I'm just waiting for the day when these particular holier-than-thous fall on their faces, right after realizing that their importance/influence has been vastly overinflated by a media that prefers reporting fake memes to actually telling people what's really going on.
"On Christmas Day /
I travel 'round the world and say... /
'Taoists, Krishnas, Buddhists and all you atheists, too -- /
Merry Fucking Christmas...
To Youuuuuuuuu!'"
This has to be stuck in a lot of folks' heads right now.
Silleigh - the letters were so similar to the one you quote that now I think it was astro-turfing.
If you feel like sending a link my way, I'd be happy to let the SPT folks know if they got 'turfed.
I'm just waiting for the day when these particular holier-than-thous fall on their faces, right after realizing that their importance/influence has been vastly overinflated by a media that prefers reporting fake memes to actually telling people what's really going on.
"On Christmas Day /
I travel 'round the world and say... /
'Taoists, Krishnas, Buddhists and all you atheists, too -- /
Merry Fucking Christmas...
To Youuuuuuuuu!'"
This has to be stuck in a lot of folks' heads right now.
In Busholini's finest hour,
One dare not speak the truth to power;
And for all who are weak,
A dark corner please seek,
And there upon commence to cower.
..
In Busholini's finest hour,
One dare not speak the truth to power;
And for all who are weak,
A dark corner please seek,
And there upon commence to cower.
..
btw: It's colder than a well-digger's ass here in ABQ today...i think it got down below 10f last night...
I called the Animal Control today on some asswipes down the street who have a pit-bull puppy chained out in the front yard, all night and day...
Some people are too stupid, and too inhumane to live; surely they shouldn't be allowed to breed if they cannot care adequately for a dog...shit like this makes my blood boil,,,
btw: It's colder than a well-digger's ass here in ABQ today...i think it got down below 10f last night...
I called the Animal Control today on some asswipes down the street who have a pit-bull puppy chained out in the front yard, all night and day...
Some people are too stupid, and too inhumane to live; surely they shouldn't be allowed to breed if they cannot care adequately for a dog...shit like this makes my blood boil,,,
Haloscan just ate the first of my comments for the day. Hungry monster.
Kono - it's an idea that was cooked up by the Rovians to support the non-mandate. The numbers show that the people who are primarily concerned about "moral values" has dropped from 40% in '96 down to 22% in '04.
They are going to hype it for all it's worth, because it isn't worth much.
I hope everyone is thoroughly sick of it by the time this is all said and done.
Haloscan just ate the first of my comments for the day. Hungry monster.
Kono - it's an idea that was cooked up by the Rovians to support the non-mandate. The numbers show that the people who are primarily concerned about "moral values" has dropped from 40% in '96 down to 22% in '04.
They are going to hype it for all it's worth, because it isn't worth much.
I hope everyone is thoroughly sick of it by the time this is all said and done.
On the counter-topic of Christmas - all those who are obsessed with being persecuted Christians should read this referencing a Christian who was actually persecuted.
They should think back - whom did they support in the 1980s? Could it be St. Ronnie, protector of the Salvadoran death squads?
I remember the 1980s - I remember how people in our synagogue sheltered refugees from El Salvador and wondered whether even they would be safe from the Death Squads that did come into America with a blind eye from our government to kill those who sought refuge in our country.
When will we learn the real lesson of 9/11: blow-back's a bitch? And what kinda blow-back are we gonna get from our Iraq adventure? I bet you that'll be a bitch ... and it won't be the fat red-staters who pay but those of us effete liberals who will pay for the political sins of the safe and sound reactionaries.
Judith Miller - you say you are "fucking right"? Well, if you are so good at it, go to Iraq and be a comfort woman to our soldiers. Otherwise STFU and crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
On the counter-topic of Christmas - all those who are obsessed with being persecuted Christians should read this referencing a Christian who was actually persecuted.
They should think back - whom did they support in the 1980s? Could it be St. Ronnie, protector of the Salvadoran death squads?
I remember the 1980s - I remember how people in our synagogue sheltered refugees from El Salvador and wondered whether even they would be safe from the Death Squads that did come into America with a blind eye from our government to kill those who sought refuge in our country.
When will we learn the real lesson of 9/11: blow-back's a bitch? And what kinda blow-back are we gonna get from our Iraq adventure? I bet you that'll be a bitch ... and it won't be the fat red-staters who pay but those of us effete liberals who will pay for the political sins of the safe and sound reactionaries.
Judith Miller - you say you are "fucking right"? Well, if you are so good at it, go to Iraq and be a comfort woman to our soldiers. Otherwise STFU and crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
Damn Haloscan - ate the comment, then it appeared so now I posted the same idea twice.
I'm so sorry - I swear it isn't me, it's Haloscan. It sure has been having fun with me lately.
Damn Haloscan - ate the comment, then it appeared so now I posted the same idea twice.
I'm so sorry - I swear it isn't me, it's Haloscan. It sure has been having fun with me lately.
I think this moronic "Christmas Under Attack" is a device by Bill O'Reilly to trace his influence through the media.
What an ego booster to watch all the mainstream media outlets and all the left and right wing blogs and all the LTTEs talking about what O'Reilly wants to talk about.
Kinda wipes out the loofah and falafel ridicule he suffered.
But then, I'm a loopy conspiracy theorist from way back.
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I think this moronic "Christmas Under Attack" is a device by Bill O'Reilly to trace his influence through the media.
What an ego booster to watch all the mainstream media outlets and all the left and right wing blogs and all the LTTEs talking about what O'Reilly wants to talk about.
Kinda wipes out the loofah and falafel ridicule he suffered.
But then, I'm a loopy conspiracy theorist from way back.
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Phredd - I think it is a campaign, frankly. I don't know that O'Reilly started it, but he certainly has been in the forefront. It's just more maneuvering to bring the plight of the poor persecuted xians in this country into the public spotlight, so we can all apologize to them.
Phredd - I think it is a campaign, frankly. I don't know that O'Reilly started it, but he certainly has been in the forefront. It's just more maneuvering to bring the plight of the poor persecuted xians in this country into the public spotlight, so we can all apologize to them.
Phredd,
The Christmas under attack meme predates Falafal boy - it is a genuine meme.
I remember growing up the fundies would view every single time they could not score a victory (i.e. no prayer in school, no creationism taught in school, etc.) as a sign that they were being persecuted.
To them, since the rest of us would otherwise go to hell, that they should be stopped from spreading the word in every possible forum was not only discrimination against their free exercize of religion but a jeopardizing of souls. They really believed they had a right and a duty to evangelize everywhere and at all times - loudly! They always stirred up lots of trouble at my High School with their constant attempts to insert prayers into morning announcements, etc.
Of course, it some point it turned out that the initial faculty advisor to the Christian club at our school had been having an affair with an ex-student of his (nobody could figure this out either - his wife was far hotter than his ex-student ... and nicer personality-wise, too) ... so go figure.
Phredd,
The Christmas under attack meme predates Falafal boy - it is a genuine meme.
I remember growing up the fundies would view every single time they could not score a victory (i.e. no prayer in school, no creationism taught in school, etc.) as a sign that they were being persecuted.
To them, since the rest of us would otherwise go to hell, that they should be stopped from spreading the word in every possible forum was not only discrimination against their free exercize of religion but a jeopardizing of souls. They really believed they had a right and a duty to evangelize everywhere and at all times - loudly! They always stirred up lots of trouble at my High School with their constant attempts to insert prayers into morning announcements, etc.
Of course, it some point it turned out that the initial faculty advisor to the Christian club at our school had been having an affair with an ex-student of his (nobody could figure this out either - his wife was far hotter than his ex-student ... and nicer personality-wise, too) ... so go figure.
Woody Guthrie...when I got my degree many years ago, journalism had already been subsumed into the Dept. of Mass Communications. My faculty adviser was also in favor of journalism students majoring in other subjects. I also got a degree in German, but that's not exactly what he had in mind. As for TV, there is very little reporting anymore on local TV anymore. It's mostly fluff, fires, and accidents, and since local TV is the farm system for the networks, a lot of network reporters have done little serious reporting. As an avid news consumer, I have to say that a lot of incisive reporting is in the small opinion journals and yes, in the blogospher. Some bloggers have done reportage that puts the major media to shame.
Woody Guthrie...when I got my degree many years ago, journalism had already been subsumed into the Dept. of Mass Communications. My faculty adviser was also in favor of journalism students majoring in other subjects. I also got a degree in German, but that's not exactly what he had in mind. As for TV, there is very little reporting anymore on local TV anymore. It's mostly fluff, fires, and accidents, and since local TV is the farm system for the networks, a lot of network reporters have done little serious reporting. As an avid news consumer, I have to say that a lot of incisive reporting is in the small opinion journals and yes, in the blogospher. Some bloggers have done reportage that puts the major media to shame.
"...Suicide or non-stop hookers and blow: What's the right choice?..." steve simels
Same damn thing - depends on the time frame for results.
Didja read that the Netherlands, as I recall, is considering extending euthanasia formalities to those who suffer from severe emotional / mental distress and make that choice willingly? Of course, back on the ranch, the sanctity of quantity-of- life trumps all measures to enhance quality of life, at least for those outside The Base.
"...Suicide or non-stop hookers and blow: What's the right choice?..." steve simels
Same damn thing - depends on the time frame for results.
Didja read that the Netherlands, as I recall, is considering extending euthanasia formalities to those who suffer from severe emotional / mental distress and make that choice willingly? Of course, back on the ranch, the sanctity of quantity-of- life trumps all measures to enhance quality of life, at least for those outside The Base.
you *KNOW* she thought she & chalabi were gonna get married, propelling her into the world she's always wanted to be a part of, instead of just "reporting" upon.
you *KNOW* she thought she & chalabi were gonna get married, propelling her into the world she's always wanted to be a part of, instead of just "reporting" upon.
DAS...yep, St. Ronnie was responsible for quite a reduction in the number of Maryknoll sisters and Jesuits in Central America.
DAS...yep, St. Ronnie was responsible for quite a reduction in the number of Maryknoll sisters and Jesuits in Central America.
I found a foto of Judy Miller.../a>
GOOD GAWD, y'all!!!
I doubt ANYONE could take 'comfort' in that...
I found a foto of Judy Miller.../a>
GOOD GAWD, y'all!!!
I doubt ANYONE could take 'comfort' in that...
The worst part of the whole thing is that Okrent is supposed to be the readers' advocate.
What a sick joke that is.
The worst part of the whole thing is that Okrent is supposed to be the readers' advocate.
What a sick joke that is.
Peace and safe driving to all. May all our pets be blessed, too! Everybody load up on holiday goodies, the better to be prepared for the indignities of the new year (Congress reconvening, the Coronation, and things not yet dreamed of.
Peace and safe driving to all. May all our pets be blessed, too! Everybody load up on holiday goodies, the better to be prepared for the indignities of the new year (Congress reconvening, the Coronation, and things not yet dreamed of.
BTW:
And I'm sorry I have to say this...
that whole Hookers and Blow thing
was a joke.
BTW:
And I'm sorry I have to say this...
that whole Hookers and Blow thing
was a joke.
steve simels - That whole Hookers and Blow thing
was a joke.
Damn. I suppose there isn't a Santa Claus, either?
By the way, Atrios, Happy Holidays to you and Mrs. Atrios and the Atrios kitties. Thanks so much for everything.
steve simels - That whole Hookers and Blow thing
was a joke.
Damn. I suppose there isn't a Santa Claus, either?
By the way, Atrios, Happy Holidays to you and Mrs. Atrios and the Atrios kitties. Thanks so much for everything.
Tena:
You are the soul of this place.
Take care until we talk next....
Tena:
You are the soul of this place.
Take care until we talk next....
Back online for a moment before I have to run off again...
Mr. Simels, if you're around, the fantabulous, raven-haired, brilliant, sultry NYMary, the wry, Noel Cowardesque, smoking jacket-wearing, twinkly-eyed Thersites and I will be catching up. I cannot speak to Kenosha Kid's physical attributes, but I'm sure she's fabulous, as well.
Added benefit: I may be considering a "friendly competition" kickboxing turn on the 8th. My camp is hosting a "smoker", in which muay thai camps around the city gather for some "fun", if you call gearing up and wailing on each other fun. I may participate. Keep you all apprised.
And now to bestow gifts upon my friend's child. Like he doesn't have enough toys. Oy vey.
Back online for a moment before I have to run off again...
Mr. Simels, if you're around, the fantabulous, raven-haired, brilliant, sultry NYMary, the wry, Noel Cowardesque, smoking jacket-wearing, twinkly-eyed Thersites and I will be catching up. I cannot speak to Kenosha Kid's physical attributes, but I'm sure she's fabulous, as well.
Added benefit: I may be considering a "friendly competition" kickboxing turn on the 8th. My camp is hosting a "smoker", in which muay thai camps around the city gather for some "fun", if you call gearing up and wailing on each other fun. I may participate. Keep you all apprised.
And now to bestow gifts upon my friend's child. Like he doesn't have enough toys. Oy vey.
steve simels - that was one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. Thank you.
You have a wonderful holiday, steve.
steve simels - that was one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me. Thank you.
You have a wonderful holiday, steve.
watertiger:
keep me posted.
I'm working on my skeet kendo, but
I'm sure I can work you in.
In all seriousness, I'm looking forward
to encountering all of you in something
approaching real life.
Until then, I remain yours
faithfully,
watertiger:
keep me posted.
I'm working on my skeet kendo, but
I'm sure I can work you in.
In all seriousness, I'm looking forward
to encountering all of you in something
approaching real life.
Until then, I remain yours
faithfully,
Damn. I suppose there isn't a Santa Claus, either?
Tena:
Check your email
and jolly holidays...
Damn. I suppose there isn't a Santa Claus, either?
Tena:
Check your email
and jolly holidays...
By the way, Atrios, Happy Holidays to you and Mrs. Atrios and the Atrios kitties. Thanks so much for everything.
I echo Tena's sentiments, Atrios. I also want to extend best wishes for the coming new year to all you people here (well, the name-stealing trolls are just juvenile and don't really deserve it), your adorable children, pets, and other lifeforms that are important to you.
By the way, Atrios, Happy Holidays to you and Mrs. Atrios and the Atrios kitties. Thanks so much for everything.
I echo Tena's sentiments, Atrios. I also want to extend best wishes for the coming new year to all you people here (well, the name-stealing trolls are just juvenile and don't really deserve it), your adorable children, pets, and other lifeforms that are important to you.
I guess I missed the "Christmas Under Attack" meme until loofah-boy started whining about it....but then, I rarely subject myself to right-wing rhetoric (for physical health reasons) so it only came to my attention when loofah-boy started up, and then on to CNN etc etc. But I'll certainly accept your more complete historical knowledge.
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I guess I missed the "Christmas Under Attack" meme until loofah-boy started whining about it....but then, I rarely subject myself to right-wing rhetoric (for physical health reasons) so it only came to my attention when loofah-boy started up, and then on to CNN etc etc. But I'll certainly accept your more complete historical knowledge.
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Tena,
when i first started posting, i immediately understood how key you are to this place and to First Draft (even if you just consider yourself a "guest blogger").
You have friends across the country, dearie.
Tena,
when i first started posting, i immediately understood how key you are to this place and to First Draft (even if you just consider yourself a "guest blogger").
You have friends across the country, dearie.
steve simels - a vous aussi.
(Just returning from a pre-emptive gelusil run to Osco - Oh! that g-d Germanic/heavy/'holiday' food.... Not to mention the tamales.)
steve simels - a vous aussi.
(Just returning from a pre-emptive gelusil run to Osco - Oh! that g-d Germanic/heavy/'holiday' food.... Not to mention the tamales.)
watertiger - Oh, you're the belle of Eschaton, my dear. For real. Thank you for your kind words.
Have a lovely lovely holiday.
watertiger - Oh, you're the belle of Eschaton, my dear. For real. Thank you for your kind words.
Have a lovely lovely holiday.
GWDPA:
Have a merry grimble.!!!!
GWDPA:
Have a merry grimble.!!!!
DAS...yep, St. Ronnie was responsible for quite a reduction in the number of Maryknoll sisters and Jesuits in Central America.
When I used to work in another section of the USPS, we used to see the MaryKnoll mini-magazines, updating supporters on their latest issues and do-goods. I've no problem with this at all. Hey, if you're actually out there doing good deeds as a Xtian, actually living what the Jesus Philosopher taught, I'm all for you. Praise be!
What ticked me off was that I was piecing one of the mags together that the machine had torn up. Some wingnut idiot came up and said we ought to just throw all the damn things away--it was all Communist propaganda.
Me, the atheist, asked (okay hauled off on) this jerk to refrain from calling anybody who helped the poor and oppressed a ridiculous jingo hatred name like that, just because he was an ignorant, miserable fuck. You could hear me all over the building, telling him off.
Me, the atheist. Defending Xtians. Who woulda thunk?
DAS...yep, St. Ronnie was responsible for quite a reduction in the number of Maryknoll sisters and Jesuits in Central America.
When I used to work in another section of the USPS, we used to see the MaryKnoll mini-magazines, updating supporters on their latest issues and do-goods. I've no problem with this at all. Hey, if you're actually out there doing good deeds as a Xtian, actually living what the Jesus Philosopher taught, I'm all for you. Praise be!
What ticked me off was that I was piecing one of the mags together that the machine had torn up. Some wingnut idiot came up and said we ought to just throw all the damn things away--it was all Communist propaganda.
Me, the atheist, asked (okay hauled off on) this jerk to refrain from calling anybody who helped the poor and oppressed a ridiculous jingo hatred name like that, just because he was an ignorant, miserable fuck. You could hear me all over the building, telling him off.
Me, the atheist. Defending Xtians. Who woulda thunk?
mmmm...strudel and tamales
mmmm...strudel and tamales
Dang!
Y'all had to mention tamales! Now I have to make some!
Dang! I plumb forgot!
Dang!
Y'all had to mention tamales! Now I have to make some!
Dang! I plumb forgot!
And if you're around here, Jenny From
the Blog:
Chinese food and a movie!!!! The
great Christmas tradition.....
And if you're around here, Jenny From
the Blog:
Chinese food and a movie!!!! The
great Christmas tradition.....
kono - thanks - you've restored my faith in the Gift Giving Elf of Elfmas.
kono - thanks - you've restored my faith in the Gift Giving Elf of Elfmas.
kono - P.S. - I hope that means I'm getting the 14 carat diamond and new preznit I asked him for.
kono - P.S. - I hope that means I'm getting the 14 carat diamond and new preznit I asked him for.
LJ...some orders took a lot of heat, some of it from the Pope, for supposedly embracing liberation theology. Some religious did, some merely took Jesus at his word to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and comfort the sick. Many, most notably Bishop Oscar Romero, were martyred. I never could understand why the right wing could not comprehend that perpetuating oligarchies and dictatorships in Central America merely played into the hands of the Communists. Communism has never made headway in societies with large, stable middle classes and true opportunity.
LJ...some orders took a lot of heat, some of it from the Pope, for supposedly embracing liberation theology. Some religious did, some merely took Jesus at his word to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and comfort the sick. Many, most notably Bishop Oscar Romero, were martyred. I never could understand why the right wing could not comprehend that perpetuating oligarchies and dictatorships in Central America merely played into the hands of the Communists. Communism has never made headway in societies with large, stable middle classes and true opportunity.
Hey:
To everybody here who's made me laugh
or think in the last year -- and who
because of my senility I've forgotten
to thank you by name -- have a better
year than you've ever imagined.
If I can come up with something a
little more maudline, I'll get back
to you.
Hey:
To everybody here who's made me laugh
or think in the last year -- and who
because of my senility I've forgotten
to thank you by name -- have a better
year than you've ever imagined.
If I can come up with something a
little more maudline, I'll get back
to you.
If they don't respond with "Merry Christmas" or something similar, I simply leave my merchandise at the checkout counter and leave..
Richard Deininger apparently will not be satisfied until every cashier in America is reduced to a wind- up doll chirping "Merry Christmas" to him. Who exactly is being PC here? The right is very good at accusing others of doing the very thing they are doing- imposing their lockstep thinking on everyone else, or else.
Why don't we just stamp "Jesus" on everything and be done with it?
If they don't respond with "Merry Christmas" or something similar, I simply leave my merchandise at the checkout counter and leave..
Richard Deininger apparently will not be satisfied until every cashier in America is reduced to a wind- up doll chirping "Merry Christmas" to him. Who exactly is being PC here? The right is very good at accusing others of doing the very thing they are doing- imposing their lockstep thinking on everyone else, or else.
Why don't we just stamp "Jesus" on everything and be done with it?
That would be maudlin, without an e.
That would be maudlin, without an e.
If one googles "Richard Deininger, Largo", on learns where he may be contacted. He is a regular contributor to the Letters pages of the StPete Times, and a member of the Special Forces Association...so probably a fucking lifer...
If one googles "Richard Deininger, Largo", on learns where he may be contacted. He is a regular contributor to the Letters pages of the StPete Times, and a member of the Special Forces Association...so probably a fucking lifer...
Happy Festivus people. I am dissapointed in you all!
Happy Festivus people. I am dissapointed in you all!
Tamales are an xmas tradition in Texas as well as the rest of the southwest. I'd love it if someone could tell me why that is. I mean, I understand that the latino population is responsible, I just have never heard or read why they originated the tradition of tamales at xmas.
Anyone know?
Tamales are an xmas tradition in Texas as well as the rest of the southwest. I'd love it if someone could tell me why that is. I mean, I understand that the latino population is responsible, I just have never heard or read why they originated the tradition of tamales at xmas.
Anyone know?
It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves.
Sweet are the uses of adversity.
--bill shakespeare
It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves.
Sweet are the uses of adversity.
--bill shakespeare
It occurs to me that String may have succsessfully taken down Ô¿Ô.
It occurs to me that String may have succsessfully taken down Ô¿Ô.
That would be maudlin, without an e.
True. Everything is cloyingly sentimental, without that noblest of vowels.
That would be maudlin, without an e.
True. Everything is cloyingly sentimental, without that noblest of vowels.
this late sleeper sez--fuck you judith miller.
and on a light note---thanks to all of you here(minus the obvious trolls). eschaton is like our house (2 nominal adults) writ large. serious discussions. a bit testy sometimes. and if there is a cheap joke to make--go for it right away.
took me a while to figure out that homepages could be very interesting blogs also. i am very impressed with the wit and intelligence and humanity i have found.
first draft is bookmarked on 2 laptops here. and others as well. patriotboy--wow!
the nearsighted
this late sleeper sez--fuck you judith miller.
and on a light note---thanks to all of you here(minus the obvious trolls). eschaton is like our house (2 nominal adults) writ large. serious discussions. a bit testy sometimes. and if there is a cheap joke to make--go for it right away.
took me a while to figure out that homepages could be very interesting blogs also. i am very impressed with the wit and intelligence and humanity i have found.
first draft is bookmarked on 2 laptops here. and others as well. patriotboy--wow!
the nearsighted
Happy Festivus people. I am dissapointed in you all! - trifecta
As I was flipping through channels to get to Law and Order (our remote is broken, so we cannot always enter in the channel we want, sometimes we need to go up to the TV itself and flip through channels), I noticed CNN was reporting something about people celebrating Festivus for real!
Happy Festivus people. I am dissapointed in you all! - trifecta
As I was flipping through channels to get to Law and Order (our remote is broken, so we cannot always enter in the channel we want, sometimes we need to go up to the TV itself and flip through channels), I noticed CNN was reporting something about people celebrating Festivus for real!
Here's a story, for gringos in Oregon, about why tamales are so important in the latino communities...
They're the province of the women, and there's a whole ritual around it...
Here's a story, for gringos in Oregon, about why tamales are so important in the latino communities...
They're the province of the women, and there's a whole ritual around it...
For those that missed one of my bundles of Joy from earlier here is the artist formerly known as Jack Wearing his pink baby shirt
After yesterdays adventure in the deep snow, he is still a bit gunshy.
For those that missed one of my bundles of Joy from earlier here is the artist formerly known as Jack Wearing his pink baby shirt
After yesterdays adventure in the deep snow, he is still a bit gunshy.
Y'know how the conservatives hate it when they hear us call them stoooopid?
My friends, there is a good reason for us to feel this way. THEY. ARE. STOOPID!
I read this on a really great blog:
http://nwodor001.blogspot.com
Rush: We have Glen from Port Richie Florida, welcome to the EIB network, hello.
Glen: Megadittoes Rush, God bless America and President Bush. I just was thinking about the idea that the lefties say that a lot of birds will be extinct by the end of this century. That PROVES evolution doesn't exist because the birds would evolve and not become extinct!
Rush: Excellent point! You know the goofs on the left would say that if man didn't exist they'd be fine and that explains why the birds don't evolve!
Glen: That's all, I just wanted to tell you that.
Rush: Great call.
Yes.
THEY. REALLY. REALLY. ARE. STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID.
And in a really, really catastropic sense of the word.
America! Behold your New World Odor!!!!
Disclaimer: I do not know the guy who runs this blog. Just happened to find it on the web and thought I'd pass it on.
Y'know how the conservatives hate it when they hear us call them stoooopid?
My friends, there is a good reason for us to feel this way. THEY. ARE. STOOPID!
I read this on a really great blog:
http://nwodor001.blogspot.com
Rush: We have Glen from Port Richie Florida, welcome to the EIB network, hello.
Glen: Megadittoes Rush, God bless America and President Bush. I just was thinking about the idea that the lefties say that a lot of birds will be extinct by the end of this century. That PROVES evolution doesn't exist because the birds would evolve and not become extinct!
Rush: Excellent point! You know the goofs on the left would say that if man didn't exist they'd be fine and that explains why the birds don't evolve!
Glen: That's all, I just wanted to tell you that.
Rush: Great call.
Yes.
THEY. REALLY. REALLY. ARE. STOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID.
And in a really, really catastropic sense of the word.
America! Behold your New World Odor!!!!
Disclaimer: I do not know the guy who runs this blog. Just happened to find it on the web and thought I'd pass it on.
I wanna go out like John Garfield.
My motto has always been: "Live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse!"
I think I can still fulfill one of those...
I wanna go out like John Garfield.
My motto has always been: "Live fast, die young, and leave a good-looking corpse!"
I think I can still fulfill one of those...
I, personally, feel that this is just wrong - there's no chile involved at all, for one thing, but I suppose someone will think it divine.....
Chocolate Tamale Candies
From Kathy Cano Murillo
Arizona Republic
Dec. 22, 2004 12:00 AM
12 dried corn-husk strips, about 4 by 8 inches each (see note)
2 wedges Mexican chocolate (about 3/4 ounce)
1 cup semisweet or milk chocolate chips
Thin strips of corn husk or holiday ribbon, for tying
Soak corn husks in water for 30 minutes to soften.
Break up chocolate wedges and combine with chocolate chips in a microwave-safe bowl. Microwave on 50 percent power in 15- to 30-second intervals, stirring after each interval, until smooth but not completely melted.
Remove corn husks from water and pat dry. Spread about 2 teaspoons chocolate in the middle of each husk. Fold the sides over the chocolate, overlapping them, then fold the ends in toward the middle. Tie with a thin strip of corn husk or holiday ribbon. (Tamales will measure about 1 inch across by 3 inches long when folded.)
Chill tamales in the refrigerator until chocolate hardens. Peel corn husk away from chocolate as you eat, like eating a banana.
Makes 12 tamales.
Variations: Before folding tamales, sprinkle chocolate with chopped nuts, toasted pine nuts or a few grains of ground chipotle pepper and red sprinkles.
Note: Dried corn husks for tamales are sold in the Hispanic foods section of most grocery stores. An 8-ounce bag contains dozens of husks; they'll keep indefinitely.
Approximate values per tamale: 82 calories, 3 g fat, 3 mg cholesterol, 1 g protein, 9 g carbohydrates, 0 fiber, 12 mg sodium, 33 percent calories from fat.
I, personally, feel that this is just wrong - there's no chile involved at all, for one thing, but I suppose someone will think it divine.....
Chocolate Tamale Candies
From Kathy Cano Murillo
Arizona Republic
Dec. 22, 2004 12:00 AM
12 dried corn-husk strips, about 4 by 8 inches each (see note)
2 wedges Mexican chocolate (about 3/4 ounce)
1 cup semisweet or milk chocolate chips
Thin strips of corn husk or holiday ribbon, for tying
Soak corn husks in water for 30 minutes to soften.
Break up chocolate wedges and combine with chocolate chips in a microwave-safe bowl. Microwave on 50 percent power in 15- to 30-second intervals, stirring after each interval, until smooth but not completely melted.
Remove corn husks from water and pat dry. Spread about 2 teaspoons chocolate in the middle of each husk. Fold the sides over the chocolate, overlapping them, then fold the ends in toward the middle. Tie with a thin strip of corn husk or holiday ribbon. (Tamales will measure about 1 inch across by 3 inches long when folded.)
Chill tamales in the refrigerator until chocolate hardens. Peel corn husk away from chocolate as you eat, like eating a banana.
Makes 12 tamales.
Variations: Before folding tamales, sprinkle chocolate with chopped nuts, toasted pine nuts or a few grains of ground chipotle pepper and red sprinkles.
Note: Dried corn husks for tamales are sold in the Hispanic foods section of most grocery stores. An 8-ounce bag contains dozens of husks; they'll keep indefinitely.
Approximate values per tamale: 82 calories, 3 g fat, 3 mg cholesterol, 1 g protein, 9 g carbohydrates, 0 fiber, 12 mg sodium, 33 percent calories from fat.
Now y'all've got me missing the Christmas/Hanukkah tamales my dad would bring home from work at this time of year ...
Now y'all've got me missing the Christmas/Hanukkah tamales my dad would bring home from work at this time of year ...
Shaw - LOL! That guy is dumb. Dumb does exist, no doubt about it.
I think I'll be shaking my head over the bimbo on NPR who asked if the elephants were eating people for a long long time.
Fucking NPR reporter, for all love. Do the elephants eat people.
ROFLMAO - because if you can't laugh, you explode.
Shaw - LOL! That guy is dumb. Dumb does exist, no doubt about it.
I think I'll be shaking my head over the bimbo on NPR who asked if the elephants were eating people for a long long time.
Fucking NPR reporter, for all love. Do the elephants eat people.
ROFLMAO - because if you can't laugh, you explode.
GWPDA,
I bet that it wouldn't taste bad to spike this with a wee bit of chili powder and achiote.
But then again, I might just be missing my grandma's mole a wee bit too much.
GWPDA,
I bet that it wouldn't taste bad to spike this with a wee bit of chili powder and achiote.
But then again, I might just be missing my grandma's mole a wee bit too much.
DAS it's just a big old chunk o' chocolate inexplicably wrapped up in a corn shuck. Somethings qualify as 'trying too hard.'
Tena - tamales? Bottom line - preserved meat, available seasonally, poverty, feeds many, big treat. Particularly when you add in the obligatory olive.
DAS it's just a big old chunk o' chocolate inexplicably wrapped up in a corn shuck. Somethings qualify as 'trying too hard.'
Tena - tamales? Bottom line - preserved meat, available seasonally, poverty, feeds many, big treat. Particularly when you add in the obligatory olive.
Kinda wipes out the loofah and falafel ridicule he suffered.
I dunno, around here the loofah and falafel ridicule seems to have been intensified by O'Reilly's "war on Christmas" bullshit. I for one never get tired of it! O'Loofah is such an abject cretin that I don't think he can possibly be abused enough. Even though the whole Christmas issue is tired, I'm sure we'll still have O'Falafel to kick around 365 days a year, since no scandal ever sticks to a Republican unless it is someone the GOP bigwigs intend to destroy.
Kinda wipes out the loofah and falafel ridicule he suffered.
I dunno, around here the loofah and falafel ridicule seems to have been intensified by O'Reilly's "war on Christmas" bullshit. I for one never get tired of it! O'Loofah is such an abject cretin that I don't think he can possibly be abused enough. Even though the whole Christmas issue is tired, I'm sure we'll still have O'Falafel to kick around 365 days a year, since no scandal ever sticks to a Republican unless it is someone the GOP bigwigs intend to destroy.
steve simels
and all you brilliant princes and princesses (and zoroastrian goddesses) of Eschaton.
Sending love and so much more to you!
& happy new year, bitches!
steve simels
and all you brilliant princes and princesses (and zoroastrian goddesses) of Eschaton.
Sending love and so much more to you!
& happy new year, bitches!
Would that be a green or black olive?
Would that be a green or black olive?
I prayed to god to be saved, but he didn't listen.
Damn you, Darwin.
I prayed to god to be saved, but he didn't listen.
Damn you, Darwin.
Steve - I was a subscriber to SR from early 70's to early 80's, come on fess up, who was the CIA agent? If you don't want to give out the name, the initials should be enough to clue me in.
Steve - I was a subscriber to SR from early 70's to early 80's, come on fess up, who was the CIA agent? If you don't want to give out the name, the initials should be enough to clue me in.
Jenny from the Blog - Hey, Happy PC to you, too. With all my heart.
GWPDA - thanks. It's an old tradition and a wonderful one. I just never have known why, but that makes perfect sense.
Besides, aren't pigs traditionally butchered in the fall or winter?
Jenny from the Blog - Hey, Happy PC to you, too. With all my heart.
GWPDA - thanks. It's an old tradition and a wonderful one. I just never have known why, but that makes perfect sense.
Besides, aren't pigs traditionally butchered in the fall or winter?
Dave (and all):
My motto has always been
Live slow, die old, leave an
arteriosclerotic corpse.
Dave (and all):
My motto has always been
Live slow, die old, leave an
arteriosclerotic corpse.
GWPDA (and any others who ever get to ABQ):
There's a new verdad Mexicano restaurant opened here, called Adelitas, on 4thNW near the corner of Montano. Really good stuff. The red chili is molten and the chicken mole is to die for...plus the inside of the place looks like Vera Cruz...
They have been open such a short time they do not even have thier liquor license yet, but they say around Ano Nuevo... the chicken mole, con arroz y legumge was $7.50 (ish), and all you'd want at a single sitting...
GWPDA: I confess your goodies are not in the mail yet. The lines were too awful...I'm thinking monday will be much easier...
Mucho gusto con las comidas de Navidad, a todos mi amigos y amigas...
GWPDA (and any others who ever get to ABQ):
There's a new verdad Mexicano restaurant opened here, called Adelitas, on 4thNW near the corner of Montano. Really good stuff. The red chili is molten and the chicken mole is to die for...plus the inside of the place looks like Vera Cruz...
They have been open such a short time they do not even have thier liquor license yet, but they say around Ano Nuevo... the chicken mole, con arroz y legumge was $7.50 (ish), and all you'd want at a single sitting...
GWPDA: I confess your goodies are not in the mail yet. The lines were too awful...I'm thinking monday will be much easier...
Mucho gusto con las comidas de Navidad, a todos mi amigos y amigas...
Steve - I was a subscriber to SR from early 70's to early 80's, come on fess up, who was the CIA agent? If you don't want
to give out the name, the initials should be enough to clue me in.
FeralLiberal | Email | Homepage
Henry Pleasants. Swear to god.
He's dead now, so I guess it doesn't
matter.
However, if I turn up dead in a pool
of vomit next week, make sure
they prove it's my own.
But seriously -- there is not a single
newspaper or TV network that didn't
have an agent at the top.
Steve - I was a subscriber to SR from early 70's to early 80's, come on fess up, who was the CIA agent? If you don't want
to give out the name, the initials should be enough to clue me in.
FeralLiberal | Email | Homepage
Henry Pleasants. Swear to god.
He's dead now, so I guess it doesn't
matter.
However, if I turn up dead in a pool
of vomit next week, make sure
they prove it's my own.
But seriously -- there is not a single
newspaper or TV network that didn't
have an agent at the top.
You are too hard on the NY Times.
As I recall, they jumped in and made sure their readers didn't miss Day 3 of the Bernard Kerik stumble.
Christ, any other major newspaper would have waited until Day 4.
We are so lucky to have them.
You are too hard on the NY Times.
As I recall, they jumped in and made sure their readers didn't miss Day 3 of the Bernard Kerik stumble.
Christ, any other major newspaper would have waited until Day 4.
We are so lucky to have them.
just cuz its xmas eve, does this mean no fri nite cat blogging?
just cuz its xmas eve, does this mean no fri nite cat blogging?
GWPDA - Are blackeyed peas traditional on New Year's that far west? It's a southern thing, I know, but Texas follows it.
I have a wonderful recipe for pickled blackeyed peas if anyone needs one.
GWPDA - Are blackeyed peas traditional on New Year's that far west? It's a southern thing, I know, but Texas follows it.
I have a wonderful recipe for pickled blackeyed peas if anyone needs one.
OT, but ties into several things we've been discussing of late:
why appeasement with Republicans won't work.
One outtake of a brilliant dissection of the issue:
Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ‘new’ language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"
And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.
They will tell you: Every single day.
And that's just the opener.
OT, but ties into several things we've been discussing of late:
why appeasement with Republicans won't work.
One outtake of a brilliant dissection of the issue:
Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ‘new’ language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"
And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.
They will tell you: Every single day.
And that's just the opener.
Shawn...you're much braver than I. I can't listen to Rush. Whatever limited reasoning ability he ever possessed apparently was destroyed by his drug use. The man simply cannot construct a logical, well-reasoned argument, unlike say, William F. Buckley. One would think with Rush's stature in the talk radio world, he'd be on every talking head show imaginable. That he isn't is indicative of his inability to debate.
Shawn...you're much braver than I. I can't listen to Rush. Whatever limited reasoning ability he ever possessed apparently was destroyed by his drug use. The man simply cannot construct a logical, well-reasoned argument, unlike say, William F. Buckley. One would think with Rush's stature in the talk radio world, he'd be on every talking head show imaginable. That he isn't is indicative of his inability to debate.
LJ - Pretty brilliantly sums it up and thank the mistletoe that someone is wide awake and seeing things like they are.
LJ - Pretty brilliantly sums it up and thank the mistletoe that someone is wide awake and seeing things like they are.
steve,
You know perfectly well you can't dust for vomit. Sheesh!
steve,
You know perfectly well you can't dust for vomit. Sheesh!
Henry Pleasants. Swear to god.
I would Never have guessed!
Henry Pleasants. Swear to god.
I would Never have guessed!
Tena,
Hey, no fair! With LJ in te house and mistletoe, none of us other girls will have a chance!
Just sayin'....
Tena,
Hey, no fair! With LJ in te house and mistletoe, none of us other girls will have a chance!
Just sayin'....
Hee hee.
I'll share. But only if I can watch. 
Hee hee.
I'll share. But only if I can watch.
Tena, sister. I hold you close in this holiday season...hope it's filled with peace and love for you.
Tena, sister. I hold you close in this holiday season...hope it's filled with peace and love for you.
steve simel:
Saw you live on the West Side. My wife & I lived at 110th & Broadway when we attended grad school.
Have a happy or a merry or something.
steve simel:
Saw you live on the West Side. My wife & I lived at 110th & Broadway when we attended grad school.
Have a happy or a merry or something.
just cuz its xmas eve, does this mean no fri nite cat blogging?
socs
I posted this last night but here it is again if anyone wants a dose of Catblogging.
Meet Pippin
just cuz its xmas eve, does this mean no fri nite cat blogging?
socs
I posted this last night but here it is again if anyone wants a dose of Catblogging.
Meet Pippin
From the MM article: "The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That’s the facts."
Pretty optimistic view.
From the MM article: "The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That’s the facts."
Pretty optimistic view.
"They will tell you: Every single day."
And that's just the opener. - LJ
What always frightens me is how much the Rethugs sound like wife-beaters - saying that only they can keep us "safe", etc.
I swear, we really should be checking Laura for bruises.
"They will tell you: Every single day."
And that's just the opener. - LJ
What always frightens me is how much the Rethugs sound like wife-beaters - saying that only they can keep us "safe", etc.
I swear, we really should be checking Laura for bruises.
Barndog - -Green- olive, right in the middle. No Xmas tamale right without one.
Tena? My Mum's people were from Missouri and Oklahoma - fresh black-eye peas with ham, custard cornbread, fresh tomatoes, the traditional New Year's Day menu. The more black-eye peas you ate, the more fortune you'd have in the new year. I think it was pretty much a mild meal tho for grownups were pretty wobbly after Hogmanay.
Kono - garcias, mijo, or Duran's, whatver. Garcias I think...
9toed has done yeoman duty by me, so for now, I'm safe. But I looked around yesterday and Arthur was making off with the posole package...
9toed - I'm working on the red chile receipt even now! You are very, very kind. Date farm next week when I have to go cross town!
Barndog - -Green- olive, right in the middle. No Xmas tamale right without one.
Tena? My Mum's people were from Missouri and Oklahoma - fresh black-eye peas with ham, custard cornbread, fresh tomatoes, the traditional New Year's Day menu. The more black-eye peas you ate, the more fortune you'd have in the new year. I think it was pretty much a mild meal tho for grownups were pretty wobbly after Hogmanay.
Kono - garcias, mijo, or Duran's, whatver. Garcias I think... 9toed has done yeoman duty by me, so for now, I'm safe. But I looked around yesterday and Arthur was making off with the posole package...
9toed - I'm working on the red chile receipt even now! You are very, very kind. Date farm next week when I have to go cross town!
FeralLiberal:
I can't prove it, of course. But
when I met him he was real old,
and he sort of liked talking about it.
Maybe he was just an asshole who
liked to talk about playing spy,
but I think he was legit.
Makes sense, anyway.
Besides, we know for a fact that Bill
Paley (CBS) was an agent. So I doubt
that he was the only media guy.
FeralLiberal:
I can't prove it, of course. But
when I met him he was real old,
and he sort of liked talking about it.
Maybe he was just an asshole who
liked to talk about playing spy,
but I think he was legit.
Makes sense, anyway.
Besides, we know for a fact that Bill
Paley (CBS) was an agent. So I doubt
that he was the only media guy.
FeralLiberal,
Are we a Lord of the Rings geek? Or a musical theater geek?
(True confessions: I'm something of both)
FeralLiberal,
Are we a Lord of the Rings geek? Or a musical theater geek?
(True confessions: I'm something of both)
And Kono, these guys have been open here for about a year - I'm pretty sure they imported their cooks from Abq too. It makes life possible here.
And Kono, these guys have been open here for about a year - I'm pretty sure they imported their cooks from Abq too. It makes life possible here.
steve simels,
Didn't they mention that Pleasants was a spy in the NY Times obit?
I think you're safe.
steve simels,
Didn't they mention that Pleasants was a spy in the NY Times obit?
I think you're safe.
Re: CIA Plants in Media
It was an open secret that the guy who was the 'dean' of Journalism profs at LSU (and one-time literal dean of the school, too; but that's another story) while I was there in the 80s travelled the globe as an earnest advocate of the free press...
and a CIA asset on the side...
Retired from LSU, and went back to Columbia, MO, as Emeritus Prof...He was a publishing machine, and his last book appeared in 2000. He's gotta be 80 by now if he's still plugging along...and god knows he might be.
John Merrill?
Originally from Yazzoo City Mississippi...him, and Billy Sims, Jerry Clowers, and (usta edit the new yorker, famously southern...ummmmwilly morris...)
Re: CIA Plants in Media
It was an open secret that the guy who was the 'dean' of Journalism profs at LSU (and one-time literal dean of the school, too; but that's another story) while I was there in the 80s travelled the globe as an earnest advocate of the free press...
and a CIA asset on the side...
Retired from LSU, and went back to Columbia, MO, as Emeritus Prof...He was a publishing machine, and his last book appeared in 2000. He's gotta be 80 by now if he's still plugging along...and god knows he might be.
John Merrill?
Originally from Yazzoo City Mississippi...him, and Billy Sims, Jerry Clowers, and (usta edit the new yorker, famously southern...ummmmwilly morris...)
steve simel:
Saw you live on the West Side. My wife & I lived at 110th & Broadway when we attended grad school.
Have a happy or a merry or something.
Carter | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 2:56 pm | #
i'm on 112th & st nick
steve simel:
Saw you live on the West Side. My wife & I lived at 110th & Broadway when we attended grad school.
Have a happy or a merry or something.
Carter | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 2:56 pm | #
i'm on 112th & st nick
I used to hang out a bit with Bill Paley's son. He dated a friend of mine. I wonder if he knew his dad was a spook. He seemed so incredibly normal and down to earth (he was a pretty hip, great looking guy who owned a very cutting edge music club in downtown Baltimore). I liked him especially because he could have been in NYC or Hollywood but chose B-town).
I used to hang out a bit with Bill Paley's son. He dated a friend of mine. I wonder if he knew his dad was a spook. He seemed so incredibly normal and down to earth (he was a pretty hip, great looking guy who owned a very cutting edge music club in downtown Baltimore). I liked him especially because he could have been in NYC or Hollywood but chose B-town).
Didn't they mention that Pleasants was a spy in the NY Times obit?
I think you're safe.
DAS | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 3:00 pm | #
you're right. I guess I can call
of Kato, my asian bodyguard.
I'd forgotten about that actually....
Didn't they mention that Pleasants was a spy in the NY Times obit?
I think you're safe.
DAS | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 3:00 pm | #
you're right. I guess I can call
of Kato, my asian bodyguard.
I'd forgotten about that actually....
What always frightens me is how much the Rethugs sound like wife-beaters - saying that only they can keep us "safe", etc.
Read the whole link, DAS. That is exactly what this writer asserts.
Here's another goodie:
Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).
And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.
Again, all of this are the hallmarks of an abusive relationship.
What always frightens me is how much the Rethugs sound like wife-beaters - saying that only they can keep us "safe", etc.
Read the whole link, DAS. That is exactly what this writer asserts.
Here's another goodie:
Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).
And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.
Again, all of this are the hallmarks of an abusive relationship.
From the MM article: "The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That's the facts."
Pretty optimistic view. - socs
I agree with the sentiment that the we should not be moving to the right. In fact, I think we would have done better if we had someone more liberal running!
OTOH, I am sure we can look forward to more DLC complaining on how Kerry lost the election 'cause he was too liberal, Heathers holding forth about how the Presidency is reserved for Southerners and Northeasterners should not apply and general comments from the pundit class about how we Dems. are too far to the left of the mainstream.
The key is having someone in charge of the DNC who will say "look - who has our best interests at heart? a bunch of Heathers who like fellating macho Rethugs or our base?" - and realize that the Rethugs are not winning because they are moderate but because they have differentiated themselves - we cannot win by being Republican lite. Truman realized this ... even Republican-lite Clinton realizes this judging by some of his rhetoric -- when will the aparatus of our party realize this?
From the MM article: "The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That's the facts."
Pretty optimistic view. - socs
I agree with the sentiment that the we should not be moving to the right. In fact, I think we would have done better if we had someone more liberal running!
OTOH, I am sure we can look forward to more DLC complaining on how Kerry lost the election 'cause he was too liberal, Heathers holding forth about how the Presidency is reserved for Southerners and Northeasterners should not apply and general comments from the pundit class about how we Dems. are too far to the left of the mainstream.
The key is having someone in charge of the DNC who will say "look - who has our best interests at heart? a bunch of Heathers who like fellating macho Rethugs or our base?" - and realize that the Rethugs are not winning because they are moderate but because they have differentiated themselves - we cannot win by being Republican lite. Truman realized this ... even Republican-lite Clinton realizes this judging by some of his rhetoric -- when will the aparatus of our party realize this?
79th and Broadway. Opposite of
the Apthorp, the poor person's
Dakota.
Cyndi Lauper is my neighbor.
79th and Broadway. Opposite of
the Apthorp, the poor person's
Dakota.
Cyndi Lauper is my neighbor.
Are we a Lord of the Rings geek? Or a musical theater geek?
Definitely a fan of Lotr, but not quite to the geek level, although I do have friends who try to write in runes and speak in Elvish. Musical theater experience is limited to a role in a high school production of "Oklahoma", but I am a hugh music fan in general.
Are we a Lord of the Rings geek? Or a musical theater geek?
Definitely a fan of Lotr, but not quite to the geek level, although I do have friends who try to write in runes and speak in Elvish. Musical theater experience is limited to a role in a high school production of "Oklahoma", but I am a hugh music fan in general.
steve simels -
I used to live at 72nd between Columbus and Central Park. Geez, you guys are making me homesick!
(it was directly across the street from Andie McDowell & her model/cowboy husband... no Cindi Lauper sightings, though)
steve simels -
I used to live at 72nd between Columbus and Central Park. Geez, you guys are making me homesick!
(it was directly across the street from Andie McDowell & her model/cowboy husband... no Cindi Lauper sightings, though)
Jenny:
72nd between Broadway and West End
was where the Looking for Mr Goodbar
bar was/is.
Jenny:
72nd between Broadway and West End
was where the Looking for Mr Goodbar
bar was/is.
To all the gang at eschaton:
I feel like I know the regulars here personally. Some of the greatest wits & incisive commentators in America. You've kept me sane during the post election.
Duncan:
Great site. You perform a national service. Maybe Bush will recognize your greatness & bestow upon you the National Metal of Honor. Given the previous recent recipients, maybe not. But you deserve it anyway.
Have a good holiday, everyone. The best for you & yours. Keep on trucking.
To all the gang at eschaton:
I feel like I know the regulars here personally. Some of the greatest wits & incisive commentators in America. You've kept me sane during the post election.
Duncan:
Great site. You perform a national service. Maybe Bush will recognize your greatness & bestow upon you the National Metal of Honor. Given the previous recent recipients, maybe not. But you deserve it anyway.
Have a good holiday, everyone. The best for you & yours. Keep on trucking.
NY Mary - Actually my cat's name pre-dated the Lotr movies, it was inspired by an old song that used the expression "it's a pippin" ("I Know What I've Got" covered by Dr. John on his "Afterglow" album) Also because Pippin is a variety of apple.
NY Mary - Actually my cat's name pre-dated the Lotr movies, it was inspired by an old song that used the expression "it's a pippin" ("I Know What I've Got" covered by Dr. John on his "Afterglow" album) Also because Pippin is a variety of apple.
Steve -
Yeah, I know. That book/film really hit close to home for me. We did crazy things in those times and, well, there but for the grace of...
Steve -
Yeah, I know. That book/film really hit close to home for me. We did crazy things in those times and, well, there but for the grace of...
The "Wife-beater" motif is part and parcel of the whole "Stern Father" stereotype that is the underlying image of il Douche, the GOPukes, the Bushista regime entire.
They ARE bullies and thugs.
They WILL fuck you up, when there's enough of them and they're holding the baseball bats.
They hold the country in a thrall of fear and guilt.
They WILL NOT BE OUSTED PEACEFULLY!
They will NOT walk away from the power they have done so much to acquire.
The "Wife-beater" motif is part and parcel of the whole "Stern Father" stereotype that is the underlying image of il Douche, the GOPukes, the Bushista regime entire.
They ARE bullies and thugs.
They WILL fuck you up, when there's enough of them and they're holding the baseball bats.
They hold the country in a thrall of fear and guilt.
They WILL NOT BE OUSTED PEACEFULLY!
They will NOT walk away from the power they have done so much to acquire.
Echoing Carter -
Thank you, Duncan Black, High Priest of Eschaton and magnanimous creator of this exquisite universe. And happy holidays to you!
Echoing Carter -
Thank you, Duncan Black, High Priest of Eschaton and magnanimous creator of this exquisite universe. And happy holidays to you!
The "Wife-beater" motif is part and parcel of the whole "Stern Father" stereotype that is the underlying image of il Douche, the GOPukes, the Bushista regime entire.
And what the regime fails to remember is that, every now and then, the beaten wife has enough, and stops the bastard wife-beater. Permanently. But violently.
The "Wife-beater" motif is part and parcel of the whole "Stern Father" stereotype that is the underlying image of il Douche, the GOPukes, the Bushista regime entire.
And what the regime fails to remember is that, every now and then, the beaten wife has enough, and stops the bastard wife-beater. Permanently. But violently.
Jenny:
I won't even venture a guess about
the chinese food, but what's the
movie gonna be?
Jenny:
I won't even venture a guess about
the chinese food, but what's the
movie gonna be?
n69n:
I had a brain synopsis. Actually, I lived at 108th & Broadway. Interesting apartment building - just about all the tenants were grad or professional school students. The elderly owner used to goose all the women occupants when they came to see him.
Where is St. Nicks Street?
n69n:
I had a brain synopsis. Actually, I lived at 108th & Broadway. Interesting apartment building - just about all the tenants were grad or professional school students. The elderly owner used to goose all the women occupants when they came to see him.
Where is St. Nicks Street?
steve -
i'm thinking either the Incredibles, Ray, Neverland or that Annette Benning movie. I know you would recommend the Eastwood boxing flick but no can do and Hotel Rwanda, well, not a very cheery holiday prospect.
Oh, and the main course will be Schezuan walnut shrimp at a great restaurant in my hood. Licking chops as I write this...
steve -
i'm thinking either the Incredibles, Ray, Neverland or that Annette Benning movie. I know you would recommend the Eastwood boxing flick but no can do and Hotel Rwanda, well, not a very cheery holiday prospect.
Oh, and the main course will be Schezuan walnut shrimp at a great restaurant in my hood. Licking chops as I write this...
Jenny:
BTW:
My Christmas ---
My friend Laura the rock and roll
travel agent is having me over to
watch her fifty-inch DLP hdtv
and watch Festival Express -- starring
Janis Joplin, the Grateful Dead, the
Band, and just about everybody else --
footage that was never released until
this year.
They say its great...but even if its
not, its gotta be interesting.
Her boyfriend is bringing the DVD.
Jenny:
BTW:
My Christmas ---
My friend Laura the rock and roll
travel agent is having me over to
watch her fifty-inch DLP hdtv
and watch Festival Express -- starring
Janis Joplin, the Grateful Dead, the
Band, and just about everybody else --
footage that was never released until
this year.
They say its great...but even if its
not, its gotta be interesting.
Her boyfriend is bringing the DVD.
Jenny:
Getting ready to go to a party, but...
HAve the best time you can imagine
this holiday.
You're my favorite person I've
never met who isn't a celebrity.
Have fun, friend!!!!
Jenny:
Getting ready to go to a party, but...
HAve the best time you can imagine
this holiday.
You're my favorite person I've
never met who isn't a celebrity.
Have fun, friend!!!!
steve -
i'm green with envy. hope you'll share your impressions with us!
steve -
i'm green with envy. hope you'll share your impressions with us!
You're my favorite person I've
never met who isn't a celebrity.
well, now I can die happy. you know i feel the same about you (except you're sort of kind of a celebrity so ...)
You're my favorite person I've
never met who isn't a celebrity.
well, now I can die happy. you know i feel the same about you (except you're sort of kind of a celebrity so ...)
Will do...enjoy the walnut shrimp!!
Will do...enjoy the walnut shrimp!!
Here's my recent experience with Okrent.
I wrote him last week about the Time's poor coverage of stealth astroturf lady, Sandra Jaques, that spoke at the Chimps Social Security Conference. Their first response to me said "obviously anyone the White House has speak is highly partisan, so why should we bother pointing out what her real background is?"
Funny though, two days later they do another story on Jaques, this time devoting a few paragraphs to the fact that she was not just a single mom--she was in fact a powerful Rethug operative. Okrent's assistant emailed me to see if I had read the new story, which did what they should have done the first time around...
I don't know if this stuff is calculated or just sloppy incompetance...
Here's my recent experience with Okrent.
I wrote him last week about the Time's poor coverage of stealth astroturf lady, Sandra Jaques, that spoke at the Chimps Social Security Conference. Their first response to me said "obviously anyone the White House has speak is highly partisan, so why should we bother pointing out what her real background is?"
Funny though, two days later they do another story on Jaques, this time devoting a few paragraphs to the fact that she was not just a single mom--she was in fact a powerful Rethug operative. Okrent's assistant emailed me to see if I had read the new story, which did what they should have done the first time around...
I don't know if this stuff is calculated or just sloppy incompetance...
So that's why Snowball has always been so anxious to change my diaper...
So that's why Snowball has always been so anxious to change my diaper...
Oooops...that last one went on the wrong thread. But fuck it. I can post where I please. I'm The Baby Jesus, dammmit.
Oooops...that last one went on the wrong thread. But fuck it. I can post where I please. I'm The Baby Jesus, dammmit.
To all my friends here at Eschaton:
Merry Whatever.
I'm not a believer, but I do partake of the December holiday. I like the food traditions (in our family it was the feast of the 7 fishes), and some of the music. Some.
I try to stay away from malls and getting involved in the buying crazies. Actually, this season, I didn't step foot in one store. Nice.
I've been coming here to Atrios' blog for 2 years now and have met some of the brightest, funniest people I've every had the good fortune to know.
This past November was devastating for me and you guys all helped me through it with your passion, humor and political smarts.
Thank you for being cyber friends. Never change. You are all unique and I value your friendship.
Peace.
Shaw Kenawe
(Joanne Kelley)
To all my friends here at Eschaton:
Merry Whatever.
I'm not a believer, but I do partake of the December holiday. I like the food traditions (in our family it was the feast of the 7 fishes), and some of the music. Some.
I try to stay away from malls and getting involved in the buying crazies. Actually, this season, I didn't step foot in one store. Nice.
I've been coming here to Atrios' blog for 2 years now and have met some of the brightest, funniest people I've every had the good fortune to know.
This past November was devastating for me and you guys all helped me through it with your passion, humor and political smarts.
Thank you for being cyber friends. Never change. You are all unique and I value your friendship.
Peace.
Shaw Kenawe
(Joanne Kelley)
Peace, Joanne.
from Jenny
*Atriot who hasn't stepped
foot in a store either!
Peace, Joanne.
from Jenny
*Atriot who hasn't stepped
foot in a store either!
the times has lost the shine of being
honest and has hired scum to obscure
any reaction...okrent should just be ignored and any reaction should be directly to the editors and publisher...as far as the steno class reporting as been constantly one sided and not remotely fair...the real disgust has too be saved for the way okrent amd miller and their ilk defend themselves rather that defend the truth...
the times has lost the shine of being
honest and has hired scum to obscure
any reaction...okrent should just be ignored and any reaction should be directly to the editors and publisher...as far as the steno class reporting as been constantly one sided and not remotely fair...the real disgust has too be saved for the way okrent amd miller and their ilk defend themselves rather that defend the truth...
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
How can she tell what they are thinking?
Maybe he meant WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
But what is what they are saying is not the truth? Has she been reporting stuff that is not true?
In the New York Times?
No way, dude!
"its not my JOB to find out if its TRUE; its my job to write WHAT THEY ARE THINKING!!!!"
How can she tell what they are thinking?
Maybe he meant WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
But what is what they are saying is not the truth? Has she been reporting stuff that is not true?
In the New York Times?
No way, dude!
"#1 liberal in the Senate"
I heard that this is not true--except for one year of his 20 year Senate career.
Isn't he maybe the 30th most liberal Senator, overall?
Or should we just continue passing statements like that along as a fact?
"#1 liberal in the Senate"
I heard that this is not true--except for one year of his 20 year Senate career.
Isn't he maybe the 30th most liberal Senator, overall?
Or should we just continue passing statements like that along as a fact?
"#1 liberal in the Senate"
I heard that this is not true--except for one year of his 20 year Senate career.
Isn't he maybe the 30th most liberal Senator, overall?
Or should we just continue passing statements like that along as a fact?
"#1 liberal in the Senate"
I heard that this is not true--except for one year of his 20 year Senate career.
Isn't he maybe the 30th most liberal Senator, overall?
Or should we just continue passing statements like that along as a fact?
The media story of Okrent's year should be that Judith Miller still has her job at the NYT, while Jayson Blair does not.
Both Miller and Blair made up stories and got them published. But, only one of them helped the Bush regime murder tens of thousands of people.
The media story of Okrent's year should be that Judith Miller still has her job at the NYT, while Jayson Blair does not.
Both Miller and Blair made up stories and got them published. But, only one of them helped the Bush regime murder tens of thousands of people.
Miller seems to have been a war whore for years. Check out this link:
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?
title=Judith_Miller
Miller seems to have been a war whore for years. Check out this link:
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?
title=Judith_Miller
The media story at the Times is that Okrent's refused to do his job from day one. Bob Somerby's done an excellent job noting this but also check out these two posts from Sunday.
The first is readers pointing out mistakes that the Times refused to correct (in something as minor as the art pages; and on a review of David Brock's book where the reviewer flat out lied) and that Okrent, though contacted about it, never felt the need to write about it:
WHATIWANTEDTOWRITE
The second link (both entries posted Sunday) is the big media story at the Times in my opinion (this year) that Okrent outed a reader and remains in his job even though ethical and legal issues are raised by his actions
STEPDOWN
Okrent needs to go. Not in May when his term expires, but now. As the entry argues, "Daniel Okrent, Step Down."
I e-mailed the second one to Okrent's office and to Bill Keller at
executive-editor@nytimes.com
I think they need to realize that, as Sam Seder points out, this ain't going away. We're not going to forget it.
The media story at the Times is that Okrent's refused to do his job from day one. Bob Somerby's done an excellent job noting this but also check out these two posts from Sunday.
The first is readers pointing out mistakes that the Times refused to correct (in something as minor as the art pages; and on a review of David Brock's book where the reviewer flat out lied) and that Okrent, though contacted about it, never felt the need to write about it:
WHATIWANTEDTOWRITE
The second link (both entries posted Sunday) is the big media story at the Times in my opinion (this year) that Okrent outed a reader and remains in his job even though ethical and legal issues are raised by his actions
STEPDOWN
Okrent needs to go. Not in May when his term expires, but now. As the entry argues, "Daniel Okrent, Step Down."
I e-mailed the second one to Okrent's office and to Bill Keller at
executive-editor@nytimes.com
I think they need to realize that, as Sam Seder points out, this ain't going away. We're not going to forget it.
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