I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Santa and his elves are like Jesus and his...
Santa and his elves are like Jesus and his...
That fucking infuriates me - how dare they. And after all these years.
If I was David, I'd be so fucking pissed.
That fucking infuriates me - how dare they. And after all these years.
If I was David, I'd be so fucking pissed.
Got to keep those elves in the closet....
Got to keep those elves in the closet....
Don't let it ruin a....
MERRY CHRIST MYTH!
Don't let it ruin a....
MERRY CHRIST MYTH!
that is bizarre....& frightening....& hits close to home!!!!!!
...& arent there MILLIONS of people who have made SANTALAND DIARIES part of their Christmas ritual?
that is bizarre....& frightening....& hits close to home!!!!!!
...& arent there MILLIONS of people who have made SANTALAND DIARIES part of their Christmas ritual?
Good Afternoon! NPR? This is nuts! I love David's stories.
I suppose you better watch out if you're a gay elf...
Good Afternoon! NPR? This is nuts! I love David's stories.
I suppose you better watch out if you're a gay elf...
Atrios - thanks for everything. Happy New Year! Best wishes to you all.
Atrios - thanks for everything. Happy New Year! Best wishes to you all.
How . . .stupid.
How . . .stupid.
Oh for fuck's sake!
Who cares about Snowball and his flirtatious ways? It's a fricking story!
I swear, things like this is proof to me that these wingnuts are so insecure in their sexuality that they think ANYTHING could push them over the edge into doing the homo. And they don't even realize that the reason they want to do it is because they are bi or gay by nature. And if they want to do it, who fricking CARES? I don't! Do whoever you want, however you want, as long as all the parties are consenting adults.
Oh for fuck's sake!
Who cares about Snowball and his flirtatious ways? It's a fricking story!
I swear, things like this is proof to me that these wingnuts are so insecure in their sexuality that they think ANYTHING could push them over the edge into doing the homo. And they don't even realize that the reason they want to do it is because they are bi or gay by nature. And if they want to do it, who fricking CARES? I don't! Do whoever you want, however you want, as long as all the parties are consenting adults.
Oh--and am I the only one who noticed that the name of the ambiguously-sexed Elf is the same as the demonized character in Animal Farm?
Oh--and am I the only one who noticed that the name of the ambiguously-sexed Elf is the same as the demonized character in Animal Farm?
We should probably get the donkey out of the nativity scene also. And that view of the bebe jesus on his back with his legs open!
We should probably get the donkey out of the nativity scene also. And that view of the bebe jesus on his back with his legs open!
That's funny; I was listening to the segment on my NPR affiliate in San Diego and heard with approval the "deleted" passage.
That's funny; I was listening to the segment on my NPR affiliate in San Diego and heard with approval the "deleted" passage.
I could use a couple of elves right now to wrap my presents. I'm in the middle of baking breads. And getting ready for my party tomorrow night.
I could use a couple of elves right now to wrap my presents. I'm in the middle of baking breads. And getting ready for my party tomorrow night.
LJ,
It's a deep, deep fear that someone somewhere might be having nonprocreative sex.
One story that completely flew under my radar this year is the 14 states which passed laws stating that pharmacists did not have to fill prescriptions they morally object to. JFC. Birth control is the big one, of course, but apparently it includes AIDS medications as well.
LJ,
It's a deep, deep fear that someone somewhere might be having nonprocreative sex.
One story that completely flew under my radar this year is the 14 states which passed laws stating that pharmacists did not have to fill prescriptions they morally object to. JFC. Birth control is the big one, of course, but apparently it includes AIDS medications as well.
NYMary? Are you freaking kidding me? I thought they were like doctors that HAD to treat you and give you your prescriptions?
NYMary? Are you freaking kidding me? I thought they were like doctors that HAD to treat you and give you your prescriptions?
NYMary ~
The birth control pill is used for so much more than birth control. Hell, it helps women control their periods, if they have problems. It helps lessen unwanted facial hair (don't look at me like I have a beard! I just know it helps...)
Any pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription for bc pills is a jerk.
NYMary ~
The birth control pill is used for so much more than birth control. Hell, it helps women control their periods, if they have problems. It helps lessen unwanted facial hair (don't look at me like I have a beard! I just know it helps...)
Any pharmacist who refuses to fill a prescription for bc pills is a jerk.
also, which states are those, I have to remember to never visit or move there.
also, which states are those, I have to remember to never visit or move there.
Ross,
Sedaris read it anyway? That's great!
Ross,
Sedaris read it anyway? That's great!
socs & Vicki,
Like I said, right under the radar. My nephew told me.
socs & Vicki,
Like I said, right under the radar. My nephew told me.
But I bet they sell cialis and viagra up the wazoo
But I bet they sell cialis and viagra up the wazoo
Very interesting. Why just yesterday I received this from WETA in response to a question I'd asked about their shift to the right:
"Regarding news and public affairs programs on television and radio, we aim
for balance in reporting and a wide diversity of opinion in public affairs
commentary. Not every show is for everyone. For example, two shows that
we receive consistent feedback on, "Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered" and "NOW
with Bill Moyers," appeal to very different segments of our audiences.
Just as NOW is not for everyone, neither is Unfiltered. Both inspire a
full spectrum of feedback, from love to hate. For us, that's a measure of
success. While we do not intend to alienate or offend anyone, we do
believe that thoughtful, provocative public affairs programs should
generate a wide range of passionate agreement and disagreement. "
I guess this must not have "generated a wide range of passionate agreement and disagreement." 'Cause you know, gay elves.
Very interesting. Why just yesterday I received this from WETA in response to a question I'd asked about their shift to the right:
"Regarding news and public affairs programs on television and radio, we aim
for balance in reporting and a wide diversity of opinion in public affairs
commentary. Not every show is for everyone. For example, two shows that
we receive consistent feedback on, "Tucker Carlson: Unfiltered" and "NOW
with Bill Moyers," appeal to very different segments of our audiences.
Just as NOW is not for everyone, neither is Unfiltered. Both inspire a
full spectrum of feedback, from love to hate. For us, that's a measure of
success. While we do not intend to alienate or offend anyone, we do
believe that thoughtful, provocative public affairs programs should
generate a wide range of passionate agreement and disagreement. "
I guess this must not have "generated a wide range of passionate agreement and disagreement." 'Cause you know, gay elves.
Okay, the buzzer on the oven is blaring. Must finish my baking.
Happy Festivus, and Merry Christmas fucking!
P.S. Don't tell NPR I said that last word, they may send Asscroft after me.
Okay, the buzzer on the oven is blaring. Must finish my baking.
Happy Festivus, and Merry Christmas fucking!
P.S. Don't tell NPR I said that last word, they may send Asscroft after me.
W T F?????
W T F?????
I see Georgia, Texas, New Hampshire, Wisconsin....
http://www.plannedparenthood.org...17-
refusal.html
I see Georgia, Texas, New Hampshire, Wisconsin....
http://www.plannedparenthood.org...17-
refusal.html
Um - what's so controversial about gay elves?
I don't know how to say this ... but, um ... er, aren't elves inherently a wee bit gay? 
Um - what's so controversial about gay elves?
I don't know how to say this ... but, um ... er, aren't elves inherently a wee bit gay?
And yet alcohol that killed my sister on Saturday, you can get that anywhere...no moral objection to selling that is there!
And yet alcohol that killed my sister on Saturday, you can get that anywhere...no moral objection to selling that is there!
NYMary - Oh that's been going on in Texas for at least the last year. First there was the rape victim who couldn't get her RX for the morning after pill filled up in Denton. It's just taken off from there.
I hadn't heard about the AIDs drugs, however. Now that gets into life and death and I'd sue their asses off it was me. Not everyone who is HIV+ or has AIDs is gay, by a long shot.
NYMary - Oh that's been going on in Texas for at least the last year. First there was the rape victim who couldn't get her RX for the morning after pill filled up in Denton. It's just taken off from there.
I hadn't heard about the AIDs drugs, however. Now that gets into life and death and I'd sue their asses off it was me. Not everyone who is HIV+ or has AIDs is gay, by a long shot.
socs - I agree with you about alcohol - I'm terribly sorry to hear about your sister. That's awful.
socs - I agree with you about alcohol - I'm terribly sorry to hear about your sister. That's awful.
Mississippi, South Dakota....
Mississippi, South Dakota....
The birth control pill is used for so much more than birth control. Hell, it helps women control their periods, if they have problems - Vicki
I have a lady friend who is still not quite over being raised in a very socially-conservative (third world) Catholic family.
I keep suggesting she go on the pill to manage the menstral cramps about which she complains every month, but she just won't 'cause she still feels that if she has sex with her fiance, she must be open to having a kid.
The birth control pill is used for so much more than birth control. Hell, it helps women control their periods, if they have problems - Vicki
I have a lady friend who is still not quite over being raised in a very socially-conservative (third world) Catholic family.
I keep suggesting she go on the pill to manage the menstral cramps about which she complains every month, but she just won't 'cause she still feels that if she has sex with her fiance, she must be open to having a kid.
Tena-still trying to wrap my mind around it. she was 47. I buried her yesterday. thank you for your kind words
Tena-still trying to wrap my mind around it. she was 47. I buried her yesterday. thank you for your kind words
I suppose you better watch out if you're a gay elf...
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 2:58 pm | #
.....first they came for the gay elves....
I suppose you better watch out if you're a gay elf...
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 12.24.04 - 2:58 pm | #
.....first they came for the gay elves....
soc-So sorry to hear of your loss. That's terrible.
soc-So sorry to hear of your loss. That's terrible.
socs - Oh I'm sure it's difficult. My heart goes out to you.
socs - Oh I'm sure it's difficult. My heart goes out to you.
Every so often I feel a pang of guilt about no longer giving to NPR. Decisions like this help to ease those feelings.
That and Suze Freaking Orman.
Every so often I feel a pang of guilt about no longer giving to NPR. Decisions like this help to ease those feelings.
That and Suze Freaking Orman.
socs,
Oh, Christ, I'm sorry. I lost my sister in 1997. Christmas always sucks without her; she loved it.
socs,
Oh, Christ, I'm sorry. I lost my sister in 1997. Christmas always sucks without her; she loved it.
It just sickens me that there are people who are sick with aids and need medication to ease their suffering etc. and can't get it because somebody is on a high freaking horse?
It just sickens me that there are people who are sick with aids and need medication to ease their suffering etc. and can't get it because somebody is on a high freaking horse?
I feel for the poor tender hearted AMerican ....do they know that Oscar Wilde is still easily avialable to any man woman or child with a library card ?Or did his time in the dungeon pre-innoculate his work from the pyre....
God help us if any one in the Wing Nut legion ever reads any chaucer ( or a Notes version anyway )
And Walt Whitman , yep , him too , shamless buggerer of willing men ...and Elton John ! Shit , that guy is right out of the closet ( and poised to marry a *GASP* gay Candadian !!!) and yet still has his tepid hits blarring all over the USA, quietly turning the red in the stripes a subtle pink...he's to blame for that Stars and Stripes Glitter Top Hat you know !
When will the right realise a consistant 10 % of every population in history is same-sexual , is not going anywhere and are entirely harmless...not to mention at times very musical ...
Get back in the closet I guess, to make easier the American Trip back to the 50's, when jocks could flush a toilet on a fruity kids head and feel rightly superior ...
What a bunch of neanderthals ....
I feel for the poor tender hearted AMerican ....do they know that Oscar Wilde is still easily avialable to any man woman or child with a library card ?Or did his time in the dungeon pre-innoculate his work from the pyre....
God help us if any one in the Wing Nut legion ever reads any chaucer ( or a Notes version anyway )
And Walt Whitman , yep , him too , shamless buggerer of willing men ...and Elton John ! Shit , that guy is right out of the closet ( and poised to marry a *GASP* gay Candadian !!!) and yet still has his tepid hits blarring all over the USA, quietly turning the red in the stripes a subtle pink...he's to blame for that Stars and Stripes Glitter Top Hat you know !
When will the right realise a consistant 10 % of every population in history is same-sexual , is not going anywhere and are entirely harmless...not to mention at times very musical ...
Get back in the closet I guess, to make easier the American Trip back to the 50's, when jocks could flush a toilet on a fruity kids head and feel rightly superior ...
What a bunch of neanderthals ....
Thank you all--you are so kind.
Thank you all--you are so kind.
hey socs, way sorry for u . You aren't alone.
Peace
hey socs, way sorry for u . You aren't alone.
Peace
I don't know - I haven't heard one story here in Texas about AIDs drugs Rx's being refused.
I'd be screaming loud and long about it if I had - I'd blog the shit out of it. I've only heard about the morning after pill and birth control.
I don't know - I haven't heard one story here in Texas about AIDs drugs Rx's being refused.
I'd be screaming loud and long about it if I had - I'd blog the shit out of it. I've only heard about the morning after pill and birth control.
*deep sympathy, socs*
*deep sympathy, socs*
Thank you A.s.H.
Tena-Ill scream with you, feel like really screaming right about now.
Thank you A.s.H.
Tena-Ill scream with you, feel like really screaming right about now.
then it is agreed , Xmas Scream-a-thon 04 ...let is ring out all year long and untill the US is returned to sanity .
then it is agreed , Xmas Scream-a-thon 04 ...let is ring out all year long and untill the US is returned to sanity .
Tena,
I think the point is that they have the *right* to do it. But I'm not sure if it's happened yet.
Tena,
I think the point is that they have the *right* to do it. But I'm not sure if it's happened yet.
i want to go on an asshole rampage.
to make a point of how assholey they are.
next time i hear elton john in the grocery store, i'm gonna start screaming "THIS STORE IS TRYING TO TURN US ALL INTO FAGGOTS!!!!!!"
i'll do it to; i can be a real asshole!!!!!!!!
i want to go on an asshole rampage.
to make a point of how assholey they are.
next time i hear elton john in the grocery store, i'm gonna start screaming "THIS STORE IS TRYING TO TURN US ALL INTO FAGGOTS!!!!!!"
i'll do it to; i can be a real asshole!!!!!!!!
socs
I lost a sister to alcohol too. Actually we had lost her some years before. Still, it took a while to get a handle on it. Take your time, and let yourself grieve.
socs
I lost a sister to alcohol too. Actually we had lost her some years before. Still, it took a while to get a handle on it. Take your time, and let yourself grieve.
What has happened to this world? I used to think that everything was going pretty good, maybe not great, but ok, and that even when numbnuts got elected again, I had hope. I hoped that the other 49% could somehow make a difference. Instead, things just get worse. The wingnuts get nuttier, the media gets more fucked, people can't get prescriptions because some holier than thous are saying no and making these decisions for them, and forget basic human rights. I'm sick. I'm so sick of this country and these bible thumping asswipes telling me how to live.
What has happened to this world? I used to think that everything was going pretty good, maybe not great, but ok, and that even when numbnuts got elected again, I had hope. I hoped that the other 49% could somehow make a difference. Instead, things just get worse. The wingnuts get nuttier, the media gets more fucked, people can't get prescriptions because some holier than thous are saying no and making these decisions for them, and forget basic human rights. I'm sick. I'm so sick of this country and these bible thumping asswipes telling me how to live.
NYMary - yes, the way the statutes are written they do have the right.
But they are asking for a lot of trouble if they do.
WRT: censorship - what's next? A broadcast of Uncle Tom's Cabin where everyone is white?
NYMary - yes, the way the statutes are written they do have the right.
But they are asking for a lot of trouble if they do.
WRT: censorship - what's next? A broadcast of Uncle Tom's Cabin where everyone is white?
socs -
so sorry for your loss. peace to you.
socs -
so sorry for your loss. peace to you.
What has happened to this world? I used to think that everything was going pretty good, maybe not great, but ok
i think all the time about the age of deee-lite & terrence mckenna, & the days when we TRULY BELEIVED we could DANCE the world into peace.
What has happened to this world? I used to think that everything was going pretty good, maybe not great, but ok
i think all the time about the age of deee-lite & terrence mckenna, & the days when we TRULY BELEIVED we could DANCE the world into peace.
I have a huge conflict hwer, because Abq's primary NPR station, KUNM, is alos one of the very best, most cooperative, community-based public radio stations in the whole fucking country. It is, in fact, in all ways anathema to the NPR hacks who manage most of the stations, because (oh, no!) the volunteers--which is to day, the various listening communities-- quite absolutely control the station. They have monthly meetings where a hundred or 150 people show up and discuss policy. It is quite amazing...
I ran for the board a couple of years ago, and there were 30 other candidates for the three seats...
I love KUNM...but I have come to laothe NPR, and its smarmily, patronizingly condescending asswipe 'hosts.' Average age: 35? Max...I have venereal warts older than that...and at least a couple of 'em are smarter than that Steve Inskeep retard...
I have a huge conflict hwer, because Abq's primary NPR station, KUNM, is alos one of the very best, most cooperative, community-based public radio stations in the whole fucking country. It is, in fact, in all ways anathema to the NPR hacks who manage most of the stations, because (oh, no!) the volunteers--which is to day, the various listening communities-- quite absolutely control the station. They have monthly meetings where a hundred or 150 people show up and discuss policy. It is quite amazing...
I ran for the board a couple of years ago, and there were 30 other candidates for the three seats...
I love KUNM...but I have come to laothe NPR, and its smarmily, patronizingly condescending asswipe 'hosts.' Average age: 35? Max...I have venereal warts older than that...and at least a couple of 'em are smarter than that Steve Inskeep retard...
Socs:
How terrible, and deepest condolences.
I have lost so many loved ones to alcohol. It seemed like all I did in the late 70s/early 80s was go to funerals. We were comparing notes at the last one I attended (I just couldn't handle going to more after it), and, at that point, about 1/6 of our high school classmates had been killed in alcohol related incidents. In one neighborhood group, about half of us are dead now. And these weren't poor kids from a ghetto. It was an upscale country club neighborhood.
Half of my adolescent friends are gone forever--all killed by drunk drivers or from heat of the moment encounters with drunks. And this in a huge swath of East Texas where you cannot buy a bottle of whiskey without having to drive 30 or more miles.
But heaven forbid a woman get birth control pills. Why, that would end society as we know it.
I'm not condoning prohibition. But I do find the priorities...puzzling.
Socs:
How terrible, and deepest condolences.
I have lost so many loved ones to alcohol. It seemed like all I did in the late 70s/early 80s was go to funerals. We were comparing notes at the last one I attended (I just couldn't handle going to more after it), and, at that point, about 1/6 of our high school classmates had been killed in alcohol related incidents. In one neighborhood group, about half of us are dead now. And these weren't poor kids from a ghetto. It was an upscale country club neighborhood.
Half of my adolescent friends are gone forever--all killed by drunk drivers or from heat of the moment encounters with drunks. And this in a huge swath of East Texas where you cannot buy a bottle of whiskey without having to drive 30 or more miles.
But heaven forbid a woman get birth control pills. Why, that would end society as we know it.
I'm not condoning prohibition. But I do find the priorities...puzzling.
sorry for the rant. just a little upset. Let the screamathon begin
sorry for the rant. just a little upset. Let the screamathon begin
I dropped NPR from my "give" list when they dropped Bob Edwards from Morning Edition.
I find it interesting that the same new regine that canned Bob Edwards are apparently the same ones deciding to start sensoring programming, as in instances like this.
I wish someone that knew what is going on at that place would speak out and tell the truth. Whatever it is, it is not healthy.
Once again, I am reminded that cutting them off was the right decision.
By the way, Bob Edwards going to XM Radio was a great move for him and for XM Radio. Now, for $9.95 a month, I can listen to Bob Edwards in the morning and great music of every variety, as well as Air America Radio, and screw NPR and Clear Channel Communications. I hardly ever listen to terrestial radio any more.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.
I dropped NPR from my "give" list when they dropped Bob Edwards from Morning Edition.
I find it interesting that the same new regine that canned Bob Edwards are apparently the same ones deciding to start sensoring programming, as in instances like this.
I wish someone that knew what is going on at that place would speak out and tell the truth. Whatever it is, it is not healthy.
Once again, I am reminded that cutting them off was the right decision.
By the way, Bob Edwards going to XM Radio was a great move for him and for XM Radio. Now, for $9.95 a month, I can listen to Bob Edwards in the morning and great music of every variety, as well as Air America Radio, and screw NPR and Clear Channel Communications. I hardly ever listen to terrestial radio any more.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.
LJ--puzzled. yes. very puzzled. Somehow the dry county in Texas managed to have more alcohol related deaths? hmmmm...
LJ--puzzled. yes. very puzzled. Somehow the dry county in Texas managed to have more alcohol related deaths? hmmmm...
NYMary - I'm waiting for some doctor to go ballistic on a pharmacy that tried to interfere. Those whom I've talked to about this really resent the shit out of pharmacies getting between them and their patients.
NYMary - I'm waiting for some doctor to go ballistic on a pharmacy that tried to interfere. Those whom I've talked to about this really resent the shit out of pharmacies getting between them and their patients.
i'll do it to; i can be a real asshole!!!!!!!!
n69n
It's hardwired in the white male; a symptom of the privilege of never having to consider your privileges... I mostly think of myself as a 'recovering asshole,' anymore, and eschaton as basically my 12-step meetings...
i'll do it to; i can be a real asshole!!!!!!!!
n69n
It's hardwired in the white male; a symptom of the privilege of never having to consider your privileges... I mostly think of myself as a 'recovering asshole,' anymore, and eschaton as basically my 12-step meetings...
Socs:
If you want to understand what's going on better, go here.
This is giving me some peace and perspective, for today.
Socs:
If you want to understand what's going on better, go here.
This is giving me some peace and perspective, for today.
LJ--thanks, I did go there earlier...I need to scream. And I need to scream like MM.
He's a good screamer.
LJ--thanks, I did go there earlier...I need to scream. And I need to scream like MM.
He's a good screamer.
Yo, socs, I'm with ya... rant on!
And that's fucked about your sister. Fucked.
Yo, socs, I'm with ya... rant on!
And that's fucked about your sister. Fucked.
n69n--you are making me smile. thank you
n69n--you are making me smile. thank you
BTW, at outsidethetent.com, someone comments that they heard the "offending" passage on their NPR station in San Diego. So apparently, San Diego is a more tolerant community towards gay elves than Washington, DC? WTF???
BTW, at outsidethetent.com, someone comments that they heard the "offending" passage on their NPR station in San Diego. So apparently, San Diego is a more tolerant community towards gay elves than Washington, DC? WTF???
Socs...
about your sister, what good are words...i send you thoughts instead...
Socs...
about your sister, what good are words...i send you thoughts instead...
Dave-you're telling me? I had to ask my nephew if he was sure she was dead like 3 times before I could even consider the possibilty. He found her frozen in the creek behind her house. Apparently too inebriated to stand up, slipped fell, hit head and either drowned/and or froze. Imagine your kid coming home to THAT!
Dave-you're telling me? I had to ask my nephew if he was sure she was dead like 3 times before I could even consider the possibilty. He found her frozen in the creek behind her house. Apparently too inebriated to stand up, slipped fell, hit head and either drowned/and or froze. Imagine your kid coming home to THAT!
i think all the time about the age of deee-lite & terrence mckenna, & the days when we TRULY BELEIVED we could DANCE the world into peace.
Personally, I blame wack D.J.s.
i think all the time about the age of deee-lite & terrence mckenna, & the days when we TRULY BELEIVED we could DANCE the world into peace.
Personally, I blame wack D.J.s.
I think part of the problem is that people are just not aware. Most families now need 2-3 incomes just to maintain a modest middle-class lifestyle. Throw in a couple of kids and there is no time left to think things through. Add to this mix a bought and paid for media, a public education system that is thoroughly underfunded, and you get George W elected president.
One thing I have never understood, is why the fundies have been able to get away with demonizing intellectuals. Certainly I follow politics, but it is not a full time job for me, as it would be for a let's say a political science professor. So even though there are asshole professors, I will always give them the benefit of a doubt to begin with. I assume they know more than I in their chosen field just as I know more about quilt making than they do. yet you have fucking ditto heads trying to explain away evolution and, this is what kills me, being rightous too. The parallels to Germany in the thirties are just so stark. And yet, if you bring it up in polite society people think you have gone off the deep end. A dear friend suggested the new job woould be good for me because I needed to get over the election. How can I when the country I loved and believed in has become a fascist state.
Ugh. Merry Xmas and seasons greetings to all here.
I don't know. I don't understand.
I think part of the problem is that people are just not aware. Most families now need 2-3 incomes just to maintain a modest middle-class lifestyle. Throw in a couple of kids and there is no time left to think things through. Add to this mix a bought and paid for media, a public education system that is thoroughly underfunded, and you get George W elected president.
One thing I have never understood, is why the fundies have been able to get away with demonizing intellectuals. Certainly I follow politics, but it is not a full time job for me, as it would be for a let's say a political science professor. So even though there are asshole professors, I will always give them the benefit of a doubt to begin with. I assume they know more than I in their chosen field just as I know more about quilt making than they do. yet you have fucking ditto heads trying to explain away evolution and, this is what kills me, being rightous too. The parallels to Germany in the thirties are just so stark. And yet, if you bring it up in polite society people think you have gone off the deep end. A dear friend suggested the new job woould be good for me because I needed to get over the election. How can I when the country I loved and believed in has become a fascist state.
Ugh. Merry Xmas and seasons greetings to all here.
I don't know. I don't understand.
And I want to highlight the most egregious part of this story: NPR has been running the "gay elf" passage for twelve fucking years! Now, suddenly, they get all nervous and sweaty over it?
Fuck these pricks in hell. Never give them ANY money. Tell them why!
And I want to highlight the most egregious part of this story: NPR has been running the "gay elf" passage for twelve fucking years! Now, suddenly, they get all nervous and sweaty over it?
Fuck these pricks in hell. Never give them ANY money. Tell them why!
Imagine your kid coming home to THAT!
Fucked.
Imagine your kid coming home to THAT!
Fucked.
Quiltlady-my sentiments exactly. I told my husbnad we had to move because Bush was using words like Hitler. Like "homeland" etc. etc. and he thinks I've lost my mind.
Quiltlady-my sentiments exactly. I told my husbnad we had to move because Bush was using words like Hitler. Like "homeland" etc. etc. and he thinks I've lost my mind.
Are you kidding me? That's one of the funniest passages in that story - I repeat it all the time. Bastrids.
Are you kidding me? That's one of the funniest passages in that story - I repeat it all the time. Bastrids.
sorry, socs. best wishes.
and let the elves flirt already. sheesh.
sorry, socs. best wishes.
and let the elves flirt already. sheesh.
Dave- big time fucked! And they won't pass out birth control pills! Hell they should be free! But the re;ukes like to keep us working 3 jobs like quiltlady said so we can never get informed.
Screaming now.
Dave- big time fucked! And they won't pass out birth control pills! Hell they should be free! But the re;ukes like to keep us working 3 jobs like quiltlady said so we can never get informed.
Screaming now.
socs--our deepest sympathy
rexroth's daughter and the
socs--our deepest sympathy
rexroth's daughter and the
dave - I knew they'd been broadcasting it for at least 10 years. The sky didn't fall, and as far as I know it never turned one person gay to hear that paragraph.
I fucking hate what is going on in this country. I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
dave - I knew they'd been broadcasting it for at least 10 years. The sky didn't fall, and as far as I know it never turned one person gay to hear that paragraph.
I fucking hate what is going on in this country. I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
Thank you all for your thoghts and kind words, esp. to a newcomer. I hope the new year is better. I hope to talk to you all again. Right now, in between screams, I have to answer the door, because food and flowers keep coming. So many wonderful people in the world. Thank you all for caring so much. I think as a collective-we can make some change in this fucked up world.
Peace to you all.
Thank you all for your thoghts and kind words, esp. to a newcomer. I hope the new year is better. I hope to talk to you all again. Right now, in between screams, I have to answer the door, because food and flowers keep coming. So many wonderful people in the world. Thank you all for caring so much. I think as a collective-we can make some change in this fucked up world.
Peace to you all.
I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
Make sure to send some pictures!
I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
Make sure to send some pictures!
One thing I have never understood, is why the fundies have been able to get away with demonizing intellectuals - QuiltLady in NY
Our country has a long tradition of anti-intellectualism. It has saved us from some pretty assoholic evidence-be-damned "rationalism" that has infested continental Europe for some time until recently, but has also hurt us quite a bit.
GWB is just a most egregious example of our country's love affair with idiots and inherent distrust of anyone too clever or smart, etc.
Many have written about it, especially as it related to the hatred felt accross so much of America to the very clever Bill Clinton ...
My take is that American anti-intellectualism, far from being a reflection of a pragmatic meritocracy trusting of experience more than formal learning (as the Rethugs like to justify anti-egg-headism), is actually a sign of discomfort with it ... after all, the person who lives by his/her wits doesn't need to come from money or the right class (again as an example, Clinton ... or Mike Moore). Indeed, anti-intellectualism can certainly be a sign of classism ... many, for example, attribute Schopenhauer's (sp?) occasional flights into anti-intellectualism to the fact that he was from the upper-crust of the merchant classes and the middle/professional classes including professors he felt to be beneath him.
The criticism of the "egg-head", the "uppity", etc., may be voiced by the envious poor, but is from a script given to them by the Cavalier rich (I use the term on purpose - remember, the Puritans were a product of the Age of Reason - odd as it may seem to us moderns!) ... distrust of progress and those who get ahead is necessary to keep the class system in order. Which is far more acute of an issue for the upper-crust in a nominally meritocratic society such as ours than in a more explicitly feudal one.
After all, how other than by social mores and induced prejudices, are people to be disuaded from getting their fair share?
One thing I have never understood, is why the fundies have been able to get away with demonizing intellectuals - QuiltLady in NY
Our country has a long tradition of anti-intellectualism. It has saved us from some pretty assoholic evidence-be-damned "rationalism" that has infested continental Europe for some time until recently, but has also hurt us quite a bit.
GWB is just a most egregious example of our country's love affair with idiots and inherent distrust of anyone too clever or smart, etc.
Many have written about it, especially as it related to the hatred felt accross so much of America to the very clever Bill Clinton ...
My take is that American anti-intellectualism, far from being a reflection of a pragmatic meritocracy trusting of experience more than formal learning (as the Rethugs like to justify anti-egg-headism), is actually a sign of discomfort with it ... after all, the person who lives by his/her wits doesn't need to come from money or the right class (again as an example, Clinton ... or Mike Moore). Indeed, anti-intellectualism can certainly be a sign of classism ... many, for example, attribute Schopenhauer's (sp?) occasional flights into anti-intellectualism to the fact that he was from the upper-crust of the merchant classes and the middle/professional classes including professors he felt to be beneath him.
The criticism of the "egg-head", the "uppity", etc., may be voiced by the envious poor, but is from a script given to them by the Cavalier rich (I use the term on purpose - remember, the Puritans were a product of the Age of Reason - odd as it may seem to us moderns!) ... distrust of progress and those who get ahead is necessary to keep the class system in order. Which is far more acute of an issue for the upper-crust in a nominally meritocratic society such as ours than in a more explicitly feudal one.
After all, how other than by social mores and induced prejudices, are people to be disuaded from getting their fair share?
Our country has a long tradition of anti-intellectualism. It has saved us from some pretty assoholic evidence-be-damned "rationalism" that has infested continental Europe for some time until recently, but has also hurt us quite a bit.
And yet, the predominant school of philosophy in America is analytical. Which is sharply opposed to the phenomneological/idealist "Continental" philosophers.
Our country has a long tradition of anti-intellectualism. It has saved us from some pretty assoholic evidence-be-damned "rationalism" that has infested continental Europe for some time until recently, but has also hurt us quite a bit.
And yet, the predominant school of philosophy in America is analytical. Which is sharply opposed to the phenomneological/idealist "Continental" philosophers.
socs - Oh dear, this is breaking my heart. I feel so badly for you. What a terrible thing to have happened.
I hope that you find peace.
socs - Oh dear, this is breaking my heart. I feel so badly for you. What a terrible thing to have happened.
I hope that you find peace.
i wonder how they will re-edit DIARY OF ANNE FRANK......
i wonder how they will re-edit DIARY OF ANNE FRANK......
n69n--i once got to listen to t. mckenna in a small room, maybe 8 people. a fabulous story teller. have you listened to "true hallucinations"? my brother had an 8 or 10 cassette package, alas long gone.
listen to the mushrooms sez the
n69n--i once got to listen to t. mckenna in a small room, maybe 8 people. a fabulous story teller. have you listened to "true hallucinations"? my brother had an 8 or 10 cassette package, alas long gone.
listen to the mushrooms sez the
One thing I have never understood, is why the fundies have been able to get away with demonizing intellectuals - QuiltLady in NY
because the message we get in school & culture is that READING IS FOR FAGS.
you get that message LOUD & CLEAR, all through growing up in america.
One thing I have never understood, is why the fundies have been able to get away with demonizing intellectuals - QuiltLady in NY
because the message we get in school & culture is that READING IS FOR FAGS.
you get that message LOUD & CLEAR, all through growing up in america.
So that's why Snowball has always been so anxious to change my diaper...
So that's why Snowball has always been so anxious to change my diaper...
And yet, the predominant school of philosophy in America is analytical. Which is sharply opposed to the phenomneological/idealist "Continental" philosophers. - Robert M. Jeffers
My point is that some would argue that this is a good thing and that the reason for it, as intellectual as analytic philosophy may seem, is in fact the same empirical tradition that causes us to distrust both phenomenological and objective idealist philosophers as well as intellectuals (i.e. thinkers rather than doers) in general.
I am not sure if I agree with that standard line of thought though - I think our anti-intellectual tradition might be a more subtle form of classism that arises because classism in our supposedly class-less society is per force under the radar (and every attempt to get it in the radar is met with fierce opposition by the powers-that-be who label our efforts a "class war" ... and note, tin-foil-hat wearers, that they didn't kill MLK until he shifted his emphasis from civil rights to issues of class!).
And yet, the predominant school of philosophy in America is analytical. Which is sharply opposed to the phenomneological/idealist "Continental" philosophers. - Robert M. Jeffers
My point is that some would argue that this is a good thing and that the reason for it, as intellectual as analytic philosophy may seem, is in fact the same empirical tradition that causes us to distrust both phenomenological and objective idealist philosophers as well as intellectuals (i.e. thinkers rather than doers) in general.
I am not sure if I agree with that standard line of thought though - I think our anti-intellectual tradition might be a more subtle form of classism that arises because classism in our supposedly class-less society is per force under the radar (and every attempt to get it in the radar is met with fierce opposition by the powers-that-be who label our efforts a "class war" ... and note, tin-foil-hat wearers, that they didn't kill MLK until he shifted his emphasis from civil rights to issues of class!).
Why do the fundies hate education?
Well, they detest interpretation and criticism, for one thing. One god means one word and one way and one and only one of everything. You don't need an education for that. You just have to learn to repeat what you hear and do what you are told. You've probbably noticed that Fundie-ism is very hierarchical, rigid, top-down: The Roman Catholic Church became the template for fascism on many of those same accounts...well, you know the fates that awaited intellectuals who fell afoul the orthodoxies of Rome? Nobody ever expects the Inquisition...
Education is learning crafts of interpretation and adaptation.
An education is not the accumulation of facts.
An education is the process of discovering and making the necessary tools for intellectual activity. This includes the knowledge of (intellectual) tool-making (aka epistemology) in general.
The analogy I like best is that of the craftsperson of by-gone ages. They learned their crafts by learning to make the tools of their trade. When their kit of tools was as complete as the local masters deemed necessary, the craftsperson 'hit the road' as 'journeyman.'
That is a person adept with the tools they possess. The real trick to becoming a master is to learn the tricks of the trade. Which one leaarned 'on the road,' as it were.
Living is a lot more like a trade than it is anything else. The problems are mostly the same, in their fundamentals, but the places where problems occur can vary wildly. The key is to have enough tools in the kit...or the capacity to make more to the specifications of the requirements of the situation...
Fundies give you rules.
Education gives you tools.
I know which I'd rather have...
Why do the fundies hate education?
Well, they detest interpretation and criticism, for one thing. One god means one word and one way and one and only one of everything. You don't need an education for that. You just have to learn to repeat what you hear and do what you are told. You've probbably noticed that Fundie-ism is very hierarchical, rigid, top-down: The Roman Catholic Church became the template for fascism on many of those same accounts...well, you know the fates that awaited intellectuals who fell afoul the orthodoxies of Rome? Nobody ever expects the Inquisition...
Education is learning crafts of interpretation and adaptation.
An education is not the accumulation of facts.
An education is the process of discovering and making the necessary tools for intellectual activity. This includes the knowledge of (intellectual) tool-making (aka epistemology) in general.
The analogy I like best is that of the craftsperson of by-gone ages. They learned their crafts by learning to make the tools of their trade. When their kit of tools was as complete as the local masters deemed necessary, the craftsperson 'hit the road' as 'journeyman.'
That is a person adept with the tools they possess. The real trick to becoming a master is to learn the tricks of the trade. Which one leaarned 'on the road,' as it were.
Living is a lot more like a trade than it is anything else. The problems are mostly the same, in their fundamentals, but the places where problems occur can vary wildly. The key is to have enough tools in the kit...or the capacity to make more to the specifications of the requirements of the situation...
Fundies give you rules.
Education gives you tools.
I know which I'd rather have...
I assume they know more than I in their chosen field just as I know more about quilt making than they do.
QuiltLady:
Some of my fondest memories are of helping my grandmother make quilts. Weird part: She used to talk politics with me while we made them. To this day when I see a Double Wedding Ring quilt, I'm back in her living room, helping her with just such a quilt. The Watergate hearings are on TV in the background and my grandmother is mumbling under her breath about that worthless crook, Nixon.
I assume they know more than I in their chosen field just as I know more about quilt making than they do.
QuiltLady:
Some of my fondest memories are of helping my grandmother make quilts. Weird part: She used to talk politics with me while we made them. To this day when I see a Double Wedding Ring quilt, I'm back in her living room, helping her with just such a quilt. The Watergate hearings are on TV in the background and my grandmother is mumbling under her breath about that worthless crook, Nixon.
LJ -
Fantastic story, about your grandmother and watergate. You're a good writer.
LJ -
Fantastic story, about your grandmother and watergate. You're a good writer.
I fucking hate what is going on in this country. I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
You'd be amazed how many Republicans are bi or gay, but they think what's good for me isn't good for thee. Exposing their hypocrisy seems a more, er, satisfying path. Although...
I fucking hate what is going on in this country. I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
You'd be amazed how many Republicans are bi or gay, but they think what's good for me isn't good for thee. Exposing their hypocrisy seems a more, er, satisfying path. Although...
JTFB:
You can blame my Nana for my politics. She was a real pistol. And speaking of that, you didn't let her near a gun. She was rather fond of them. The stories I can tell about the times she had one in her hands...
JTFB:
You can blame my Nana for my politics. She was a real pistol. And speaking of that, you didn't let her near a gun. She was rather fond of them. The stories I can tell about the times she had one in her hands...
...It has saved us from some pretty assoholic evidence-be-damned "rationalism" that has infested continental Europe for some time until recently...
In the spirit of the holiday season, i wish you to cheerfully get fucked? I'd probably deem you an anti-intellectual, condescending prick...if it weren't solstice and a season for peace...
The issue in post-structuralist thought--not philosophy alone, but in other discourses too, including linguistics, anthropology, history, psychology, medicine, and law-- has never been to discredit 'evidence' per se, but to problematize the question of what is to count as evidence, of what it consists, and by or on what authority...
Jolly Holidays!
...It has saved us from some pretty assoholic evidence-be-damned "rationalism" that has infested continental Europe for some time until recently...
In the spirit of the holiday season, i wish you to cheerfully get fucked? I'd probably deem you an anti-intellectual, condescending prick...if it weren't solstice and a season for peace...
The issue in post-structuralist thought--not philosophy alone, but in other discourses too, including linguistics, anthropology, history, psychology, medicine, and law-- has never been to discredit 'evidence' per se, but to problematize the question of what is to count as evidence, of what it consists, and by or on what authority...
Jolly Holidays!
I am not sure if I agree with that standard line of thought though - I think our anti-intellectual tradition might be a more subtle form of classism that arises because classism in our supposedly class-less society is per force under the radar
Precisely. And all part of the irony, IMHO.
I am not sure if I agree with that standard line of thought though - I think our anti-intellectual tradition might be a more subtle form of classism that arises because classism in our supposedly class-less society is per force under the radar
Precisely. And all part of the irony, IMHO.
Don't worry about "turning" bi...
everybody is to some greater or lesser (often unacknowledged) sense susceptible to the erotic blandishments of sexuality...
Just as in Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences, we are all participants in all the arenas, with greater or lesser degrees of skill and comfort; so it is in our sexuality. We are all some greater or lesser part hetero/homo/bi sexual...
lj took me to task for this before, but i still hold firmly to the proposition that there's really just sexuality, and all the rest id adjectives...
Don't worry about "turning" bi...
everybody is to some greater or lesser (often unacknowledged) sense susceptible to the erotic blandishments of sexuality...
Just as in Gardner's theory of multiple intelligences, we are all participants in all the arenas, with greater or lesser degrees of skill and comfort; so it is in our sexuality. We are all some greater or lesser part hetero/homo/bi sexual...
lj took me to task for this before, but i still hold firmly to the proposition that there's really just sexuality, and all the rest id adjectives...
and all the rest id adjectives...
Paging doctor Freud........
and all the rest id adjectives...
Paging doctor Freud........
LJ sez "You'd be amazed how many Republicans are bi or gay, but they think what's good for me isn't good for thee."
As with everything else, they want to hoard all of the anal sex for themselves.
LJ sez "You'd be amazed how many Republicans are bi or gay, but they think what's good for me isn't good for thee."
As with everything else, they want to hoard all of the anal sex for themselves.
kent/ggirl
it once occurred to me in the middle of a seminar on (well, it was Freud, Lacan, and Foucault, but anyway)...
you can parse equally well as , which makes a certain amount of at least rhetorical sense...
kent/ggirl
it once occurred to me in the middle of a seminar on (well, it was Freud, Lacan, and Foucault, but anyway)...
you can parse equally well as , which makes a certain amount of at least rhetorical sense...
Kono - One god means one word and one way and one and only one of everything.
I have one fundie sister in law. She's a lovely person, but nuts. When her kids were young, she wouldn't let them listen to John Lennon because she felt he was too polytheistic.
How she got that out of his music is kind of a mystery. I guess his later stuff, in which he talks about tolerance and no Jesus was too much for her.
There has been anti-intellectualism here since the country was founded, practically. Which is weird, since the founders were pretty intellectual, over all. I find the analogy to England very apt - we are going through what England went through when Cromwell took over, in a lot of ways. Or at least, that's what the fundies envision - America as England under Cromwell. God help us all, as they say in Ireland.
Kono - One god means one word and one way and one and only one of everything.
I have one fundie sister in law. She's a lovely person, but nuts. When her kids were young, she wouldn't let them listen to John Lennon because she felt he was too polytheistic.
How she got that out of his music is kind of a mystery. I guess his later stuff, in which he talks about tolerance and no Jesus was too much for her.
There has been anti-intellectualism here since the country was founded, practically. Which is weird, since the founders were pretty intellectual, over all. I find the analogy to England very apt - we are going through what England went through when Cromwell took over, in a lot of ways. Or at least, that's what the fundies envision - America as England under Cromwell. God help us all, as they say in Ireland.
damn haloscan
the lost phrase was
You can parse (identity) as (id)(entity), which differance makes a certain amount of rhetorical sense...
damn haloscan
the lost phrase was
You can parse (identity) as (id)(entity), which differance makes a certain amount of rhetorical sense...
And once again, the discussion turns to anal sex here in Eschatonia.
Gotta love this place. 
And once again, the discussion turns to anal sex here in Eschatonia.
Gotta love this place.
In the spirit of the holiday season, i wish you to cheerfully get fucked? I'd probably deem you an anti-intellectual, condescending prick...if it weren't solstice and a season for peace...
Wow. Philosophical virulence at the yuletide...
In the spirit of the holiday season, i wish you to cheerfully get fucked? I'd probably deem you an anti-intellectual, condescending prick...if it weren't solstice and a season for peace...
Wow. Philosophical virulence at the yuletide...
LJ
Us quilters tend to be fanatics. Always having a couple projects going at the same time. So many quilts, so little time. Like your grandma, I keep radio shows streaming in the background while I work. Only instead of cursing Nixon I curse, hmmmmm, who would that be?
And yet, the predominant school of philosophy in America is analytical. Which is sharply opposed to the phenomneological/idealist "Continental" philosophers.
See, I have a degree and am not stupid, but have only a vague clue what your talking about here.
LJ
Us quilters tend to be fanatics. Always having a couple projects going at the same time. So many quilts, so little time. Like your grandma, I keep radio shows streaming in the background while I work. Only instead of cursing Nixon I curse, hmmmmm, who would that be?
And yet, the predominant school of philosophy in America is analytical. Which is sharply opposed to the phenomneological/idealist "Continental" philosophers.
See, I have a degree and am not stupid, but have only a vague clue what your talking about here.
NPR is so boring
NPR is so boring
RMJ:
Still no coffee?
I launched into the teeth of the christams package flurry...(my portgages, which i sent the same day, didn;t arrive yet either, which pisses me off)..
Anent, festival obloquy: well i get damned tired of scurrilous, ill-informed tantrums about ideas which, when you look at it, the critics don;t understand in the first place...i reckon you get some of that in your line of work, too...
RMJ:
Still no coffee?
I launched into the teeth of the christams package flurry...(my portgages, which i sent the same day, didn;t arrive yet either, which pisses me off)..
Anent, festival obloquy: well i get damned tired of scurrilous, ill-informed tantrums about ideas which, when you look at it, the critics don;t understand in the first place...i reckon you get some of that in your line of work, too...
socs, I'm very sorry and can empathize. Take care.
socs, I'm very sorry and can empathize. Take care.
RMJ:
Still no coffee?
Got it. Check should be wandering the interstices of the postal service by now.
Anent, festival obloquy: well i get damned tired of scurrilous, ill-informed tantrums about ideas which, when you look at it, the critics don;t understand in the first place...i reckon you get some of that in your line of work, too...
Why do you think I started my own blog? So I could REALLY squash people like that.
No, not really. But yeah, it gets tiresome...
RMJ:
Still no coffee?
Got it. Check should be wandering the interstices of the postal service by now.
Anent, festival obloquy: well i get damned tired of scurrilous, ill-informed tantrums about ideas which, when you look at it, the critics don;t understand in the first place...i reckon you get some of that in your line of work, too...
Why do you think I started my own blog? So I could REALLY squash people like that.
No, not really. But yeah, it gets tiresome...
Jerrers: I would say the dominant school of philosophy in the US is probably some variant of Pearcean/Jamesian/Deweyian pragmatism (which Pearce called pragmatacism because he detested James)....Richard Rorty, maybe? John Rawls' ethics are 'analytical' in method, but phenenological in telos.
Though that may not be the Mainstream of US thought; if it isn't I can't think of who is? Ideas?
Jerrers: I would say the dominant school of philosophy in the US is probably some variant of Pearcean/Jamesian/Deweyian pragmatism (which Pearce called pragmatacism because he detested James)....Richard Rorty, maybe? John Rawls' ethics are 'analytical' in method, but phenenological in telos.
Though that may not be the Mainstream of US thought; if it isn't I can't think of who is? Ideas?
Jerrers
clearly is
Jeffers...
Jerrers
clearly is
Jeffers...
I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
Dear Christian Fundamentalists:
Your half measures against the homosexual community do not go completely unappreciated. However, could you please work a little harder so fine, intellectual heterosexuals like Tena can fully commit to the homosexual orientation as the threat of bisexuality frightens hard-core homosexuals like myself.
/silly rant.
bisexuals are cool too, aren't we all on some shades-of-grey sexuality scale anyway?
I just fucking hate it and I'm going to turn bi-sexual to spite them if they don't stop this shit.
Dear Christian Fundamentalists:
Your half measures against the homosexual community do not go completely unappreciated. However, could you please work a little harder so fine, intellectual heterosexuals like Tena can fully commit to the homosexual orientation as the threat of bisexuality frightens hard-core homosexuals like myself.
/silly rant.
bisexuals are cool too, aren't we all on some shades-of-grey sexuality scale anyway?
See, I have a degree and am not stupid, but have only a vague clue what your talking about here.
Basically, what can be decided by scientific method, is not worth deciding (heavily mathematical). Lots of symbolic logic, etc.
Phenomenology is concerned with being, with existence. One considers the other non-human, and concerned only with inventions of the mind. One considers the other flaky metaphysics, and concerned only with inventions of the mind.
I exaggerate, but that's basically the divide.
See, I have a degree and am not stupid, but have only a vague clue what your talking about here.
Basically, what can be decided by scientific method, is not worth deciding (heavily mathematical). Lots of symbolic logic, etc.
Phenomenology is concerned with being, with existence. One considers the other non-human, and concerned only with inventions of the mind. One considers the other flaky metaphysics, and concerned only with inventions of the mind.
I exaggerate, but that's basically the divide.
whiskey golf golf,
color me entertained. 
whiskey golf golf,
color me entertained.
kono--
I like to think of pragmatism as American, but American philosophy professors tend to be heavily analytical (almost logical positivist, if that hadn't been thoroughly discredited).
They're still trying to save Wittgenstein from mysticism, IOW, and consider Derrida and Levinas "too French."
My take on Rawls is that he's too accepting of utilitarianism. Derrida does a nice turn on "economy" and such systems in his later, philosophy of religion work. I agree Rawl's telos may be toward phenomenology, but he's embarassed to go there without a firmly analytical (read: materialist) grounding.
kono--
I like to think of pragmatism as American, but American philosophy professors tend to be heavily analytical (almost logical positivist, if that hadn't been thoroughly discredited).
They're still trying to save Wittgenstein from mysticism, IOW, and consider Derrida and Levinas "too French."
My take on Rawls is that he's too accepting of utilitarianism. Derrida does a nice turn on "economy" and such systems in his later, philosophy of religion work. I agree Rawl's telos may be toward phenomenology, but he's embarassed to go there without a firmly analytical (read: materialist) grounding.
What American philosophy of religion needs is a good dose of ethnobotanical hermeneutics.
What American philosophy of religion needs is a good dose of ethnobotanical hermeneutics.
Quiltlady:
To expand briefly upon Jeffers who I know mis-typed what can be decided by scientific method, is not worth deciding, but I am sure meant 'cannot'...
Phenomenology recognizes that knowledge is only a human construction. Since it is such, then the constitution of the knower makes a difference in what is known.
I used to use this example: Look outside. Do you see anything which in our language we customarily describe as a 'tree?'
Good.
Now, to a Druid that 'tree', whatsoever else it represented to her or him: firewood, shelter, fruit), would represent the soul of a departed Druid. It is in that knowledge that a crucial part of the 'identity' of the knower is lodged. The tree 'constructs' its meaning in relation to the observer. It 'intends' the Druid.
The same is true for a timber contractor surveying a forest. A tree is "x" number of board feet. The timber contractor's identity depends on his relation to the tree. The tree 'constructs'--creates the coditions for the existence of--the timber contractor.
the relevance of this sort of distinction is evident in one of the early chapters of SI Hayakawas' fundamental text on general semantics, called Language In thoguht and Action.
In that chapter he describes two communities, similar in many ways, but different in the ways they relate with (that is, how they 'construct') the problem of unemployment compensation.
In one community, the unemployed are seen as drags on the community, leeches, and as less than full citizens; whereas in the other, they are seen as the inevitable casualties of the system, and the community recognizes that the injury could befall any opne of them,. and so they dsipose much morre compassionatley to the unemployed and homeless...
we amy see this asa an exercise in what Lakoff now is calling 'framing', and it may seem abstract in that sense, but it is no less real in its consequences upon the unemployed in the two communities, or in the self-understandings of the citizens...
Quiltlady:
To expand briefly upon Jeffers who I know mis-typed what can be decided by scientific method, is not worth deciding, but I am sure meant 'cannot'...
Phenomenology recognizes that knowledge is only a human construction. Since it is such, then the constitution of the knower makes a difference in what is known.
I used to use this example: Look outside. Do you see anything which in our language we customarily describe as a 'tree?'
Good.
Now, to a Druid that 'tree', whatsoever else it represented to her or him: firewood, shelter, fruit), would represent the soul of a departed Druid. It is in that knowledge that a crucial part of the 'identity' of the knower is lodged. The tree 'constructs' its meaning in relation to the observer. It 'intends' the Druid.
The same is true for a timber contractor surveying a forest. A tree is "x" number of board feet. The timber contractor's identity depends on his relation to the tree. The tree 'constructs'--creates the coditions for the existence of--the timber contractor.
the relevance of this sort of distinction is evident in one of the early chapters of SI Hayakawas' fundamental text on general semantics, called Language In thoguht and Action.
In that chapter he describes two communities, similar in many ways, but different in the ways they relate with (that is, how they 'construct') the problem of unemployment compensation.
In one community, the unemployed are seen as drags on the community, leeches, and as less than full citizens; whereas in the other, they are seen as the inevitable casualties of the system, and the community recognizes that the injury could befall any opne of them,. and so they dsipose much morre compassionatley to the unemployed and homeless...
we amy see this asa an exercise in what Lakoff now is calling 'framing', and it may seem abstract in that sense, but it is no less real in its consequences upon the unemployed in the two communities, or in the self-understandings of the citizens...
What American philosophy of religion needs is a good dose of ethnobotanical hermeneutics.
T
I have a taste of that lined up for tomorrow...transcendental mediation...
What American philosophy of religion needs is a good dose of ethnobotanical hermeneutics.
T
I have a taste of that lined up for tomorrow...transcendental mediation...
Dunno if anyone has posted these already, but here are the email addresses to morning edition and the ombudsman:
morning@npr.org
ombudsman@npr.org
Dunno if anyone has posted these already, but here are the email addresses to morning edition and the ombudsman:
morning@npr.org
ombudsman@npr.org
Dear Christian Fundamentalists:
Mind your own business and stay out of other people's lives.
You put yourself out there as oh so moral, but you can't seem to get your tiny minds out of the gutters....or your heads out of your anal cavities.
Dear Christian Fundamentalists:
Mind your own business and stay out of other people's lives.
You put yourself out there as oh so moral, but you can't seem to get your tiny minds out of the gutters....or your heads out of your anal cavities.
"But I bet they sell cialis and viagra up the wazoo
socs "
Oh, yeah - because they help MEN get THEIR rocks off.
Only "LOOSE" women ENJOY sex, don't ya know?
"But I bet they sell cialis and viagra up the wazoo
socs "
Oh, yeah - because they help MEN get THEIR rocks off.
Only "LOOSE" women ENJOY sex, don't ya know?
I am convinced that the most vociferous homophobes have their own "issues."
For example, I think Rush is a closet homo, self-hating division.
And, let's face...Hannity knows WAY too much about the subject of "fisting."
Like Bill Donohue is WAY too obsessed with anal sex.
I am convinced that the most vociferous homophobes have their own "issues."
For example, I think Rush is a closet homo, self-hating division.
And, let's face...Hannity knows WAY too much about the subject of "fisting."
Like Bill Donohue is WAY too obsessed with anal sex.
I'm coming into this a bit late, but I was out buying goodies for tomorrow's dinner. Now I'm seriously into cleaning-avoidance, so here are a few thoughts:
First, my deepest sympathies about your sister, socs. My stepmother walked into the kitchen a few years ago and found my father dead on the floor, so I have a tiny inkling of what you're going through. For us, however, it wasn't really a matter of whether, but when.
Regarding David Sedaris, I didn't realize that the paragraphs about elf-flirting were intended to get me to convert to homosexuality. I'm glad our noble NPR network is working to protect us from such vile and subtle influences. (I stopped contributing to WETA when I realized that they were spending the bulk of my contribution on letters asking me for more money. I stopped giving to the Sierra Club and NRDC for the same reason.) For those of you who have a few shopping minutes left, let me recommend David Sedaris' collection "Holidays on Ice," read by the author, Amy Sedaris, and Ann Magnuson. My favorite after the "Santaland Diaries" is "Dinah, the Christmas Whore."
And finally, regarding the discussion of philosophy, let me end with what Huckleberry Finn said about Pilgrims' Progress: "The statements was interesting, but tough."
Happy Holiday of your Choice to everybody!
I'm coming into this a bit late, but I was out buying goodies for tomorrow's dinner. Now I'm seriously into cleaning-avoidance, so here are a few thoughts:
First, my deepest sympathies about your sister, socs. My stepmother walked into the kitchen a few years ago and found my father dead on the floor, so I have a tiny inkling of what you're going through. For us, however, it wasn't really a matter of whether, but when.
Regarding David Sedaris, I didn't realize that the paragraphs about elf-flirting were intended to get me to convert to homosexuality. I'm glad our noble NPR network is working to protect us from such vile and subtle influences. (I stopped contributing to WETA when I realized that they were spending the bulk of my contribution on letters asking me for more money. I stopped giving to the Sierra Club and NRDC for the same reason.) For those of you who have a few shopping minutes left, let me recommend David Sedaris' collection "Holidays on Ice," read by the author, Amy Sedaris, and Ann Magnuson. My favorite after the "Santaland Diaries" is "Dinah, the Christmas Whore."
And finally, regarding the discussion of philosophy, let me end with what Huckleberry Finn said about Pilgrims' Progress: "The statements was interesting, but tough."
Happy Holiday of your Choice to everybody!
Anent Atriots/Eschatonians...
Please accept my profoundest thanks for 1) being here, 2) being smart, literate, and sophisticated, and 3) letting me play. It means the fucking world to me...and i am immensely grateful
and I just am hearing on Democracy Now that US private Security and military firms--Blackwater, etc--are recruiting Columbians, Salvadorans, and Chileans with backgrounds in private armies and death squads to fight in Iraq...
Anent Atriots/Eschatonians...
Please accept my profoundest thanks for 1) being here, 2) being smart, literate, and sophisticated, and 3) letting me play. It means the fucking world to me...and i am immensely grateful
and I just am hearing on Democracy Now that US private Security and military firms--Blackwater, etc--are recruiting Columbians, Salvadorans, and Chileans with backgrounds in private armies and death squads to fight in Iraq...
Sedaris is gay?
I *keed*, I *keed*.....
(Note to Chicago-area Atriots -- anyone know if WBEZ played the unbowdlerized version? IIRC, WBEZ has played rather a large role in bringing Sedaris his well-earned fame)
Sedaris is gay?
I *keed*, I *keed*.....
(Note to Chicago-area Atriots -- anyone know if WBEZ played the unbowdlerized version? IIRC, WBEZ has played rather a large role in bringing Sedaris his well-earned fame)
You can listen to a classic reading of "The Santaland Diaries" by David Sadaris here.
http://smallgoodthing.org/
You can listen to a classic reading of "The Santaland Diaries" by David Sadaris here.
http://smallgoodthing.org/
Ira Glass advertised and played the "original, uncut" version. Now I understand what he was referring to in the promo I heard at dinnertime.
Sedaris is an absolute riot. The story about singing like Billy Holliday for the shrink cracks me up just thinking about it.
Christmas cheer this holiday season from Chicago.
Ira Glass advertised and played the "original, uncut" version. Now I understand what he was referring to in the promo I heard at dinnertime.
Sedaris is an absolute riot. The story about singing like Billy Holliday for the shrink cracks me up just thinking about it.
Christmas cheer this holiday season from Chicago.
"I have a lady friend who is still not quite over being raised in a very socially-conservative (third world) Catholic family.
I keep suggesting she go on the pill to manage the menstral cramps about which she complains every month, but she just won't 'cause she still feels that if she has sex with her fiance, she must be open to having a kid."
Wait a minute - NOT trying to be a smart ass, but isn't having pre-marital sex supposed to be a sin?
I was raised Catholic, and I know everything pleasurable and natural is a sin to THEM, but that church full of child molester DOES believe that, doesn't he?
"I have a lady friend who is still not quite over being raised in a very socially-conservative (third world) Catholic family.
I keep suggesting she go on the pill to manage the menstral cramps about which she complains every month, but she just won't 'cause she still feels that if she has sex with her fiance, she must be open to having a kid."
Wait a minute - NOT trying to be a smart ass, but isn't having pre-marital sex supposed to be a sin?
I was raised Catholic, and I know everything pleasurable and natural is a sin to THEM, but that church full of child molester DOES believe that, doesn't he?
I mean to say "don't they"
Too much wine!
I mean to say "don't they"
Too much wine!
Michael Ledeen wanted to Snowball ME. 
Michael Ledeen wanted to Snowball ME.
I listened to it earlier this evening on our local NPR station and it was definitely not edited out. It was quite IN. I remember the words exactly.
The case must be that some local NPR affiliates censored it. Not mine.
I listened to it earlier this evening on our local NPR station and it was definitely not edited out. It was quite IN. I remember the words exactly.
The case must be that some local NPR affiliates censored it. Not mine.
NPR = TOG (Tool Of Government)
Kookie Roberts = Insane
Shill
But Day To Day, or what ever they call it, will be a lot better because Slate was just bought by the Washington Post!
.
NPR = TOG (Tool Of Government)
Kookie Roberts = Insane
Shill
But Day To Day, or what ever they call it, will be a lot better because Slate was just bought by the Washington Post!
.
Have yourself a merry little Christmas,
Make the Yuletide gay
Have yourself a merry little Christmas,
Make the Yuletide gay
Alright, I am probably asking for a page and a half of posts calling me a moron, but what is the point of this? So someone did a skit or story or whatever about a gay elf... so what... I have gay friends, but how does this serve anyone's agenda?
We should stop worrying about indecency. Stop worrying about everything moral. Just keep the stupid stuff off the airwaves and then no one would throw b****fits. As I said, I am not a homophobe but this thing was just stupid.
Again, I am sure I will get bombed telling me that oh no there wasa point to this story and I missed it. But, for my money, this is retarded.
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Alright, I am probably asking for a page and a half of posts calling me a moron, but what is the point of this? So someone did a skit or story or whatever about a gay elf... so what... I have gay friends, but how does this serve anyone's agenda?
We should stop worrying about indecency. Stop worrying about everything moral. Just keep the stupid stuff off the airwaves and then no one would throw b****fits. As I said, I am not a homophobe but this thing was just stupid.
Again, I am sure I will get bombed telling me that oh no there wasa point to this story and I missed it. But, for my money, this is retarded.
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Raymond:
You sound sincere.
The problem here isn't as simple as you try to portray it.
This piece had apparently run on NPR for years. Only NOW is someone getting their panties in a knot over it.
You say not to put "the stuff" on the airwaves. Define "the stuff." Where is the line? Because where YOU draw the line and where fundies draw the line are two different things. Whose interests prevail? Where does indecency and artistic expression diverge?
It's not like this guy was saying, "Snowball came over and slipped his 9 inch cock right up my ass, and started pumping and oh god I loved it and he reached around and stroked me until I came." I mean, this Snowball thing is really tame next to THAT. He's not so different from dozens of gay characters in films, books and TV shows.
OTOH, do we pull Queer Eye off the air, since--OMG!--it has openly gay men on it? You'd be surprised how many people would say their very presence on public airwaves is indecent.
Where are the lines? I say my first scenario is way over the line for public airwaves. Adults wanting to gnab some porn privately? Go for it. But I don't think it's a great idea to push it on the public airwaves.
The easiest solution is this: Don't like something? Quit listening/watching. Nobody's making you listen/watch, and there's enough variety out there that you can avoid something you don't like, without losing out on the wasteland of entertainment known as TV and radio. There are a lot of things in the media I find offensive. What do I do? I DON'T LISTEN/WATCH. I change channels or turn the damned thing off. Simple.
Raymond:
You sound sincere.
The problem here isn't as simple as you try to portray it.
This piece had apparently run on NPR for years. Only NOW is someone getting their panties in a knot over it.
You say not to put "the stuff" on the airwaves. Define "the stuff." Where is the line? Because where YOU draw the line and where fundies draw the line are two different things. Whose interests prevail? Where does indecency and artistic expression diverge?
It's not like this guy was saying, "Snowball came over and slipped his 9 inch cock right up my ass, and started pumping and oh god I loved it and he reached around and stroked me until I came." I mean, this Snowball thing is really tame next to THAT. He's not so different from dozens of gay characters in films, books and TV shows.
OTOH, do we pull Queer Eye off the air, since--OMG!--it has openly gay men on it? You'd be surprised how many people would say their very presence on public airwaves is indecent.
Where are the lines? I say my first scenario is way over the line for public airwaves. Adults wanting to gnab some porn privately? Go for it. But I don't think it's a great idea to push it on the public airwaves.
The easiest solution is this: Don't like something? Quit listening/watching. Nobody's making you listen/watch, and there's enough variety out there that you can avoid something you don't like, without losing out on the wasteland of entertainment known as TV and radio. There are a lot of things in the media I find offensive. What do I do? I DON'T LISTEN/WATCH. I change channels or turn the damned thing off. Simple.
Atrios --
Thanks for everything. Happy xmas.
I mentioned this earlier. Did you read about the Chicago YMCA guy who was fired because of the scheduling mixup between the transgendered ball and the swim meet? Insanity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/2...html?
oref=login
Atrios --
Thanks for everything. Happy xmas.
I mentioned this earlier. Did you read about the Chicago YMCA guy who was fired because of the scheduling mixup between the transgendered ball and the swim meet? Insanity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/2...html?
oref=login
Semi-OT:
Remember the United Church of Christ and their TV ad that the networks wouldn't run? Well, they made a second spot, "All The People", and NBC ran it.
Semi-OT:
Remember the United Church of Christ and their TV ad that the networks wouldn't run? Well, they made a second spot, "All The People", and NBC ran it.
I wonder if they cut the part out of the story where the lead elf tells the new female elves to use a tampon if its there time of the month.
I wonder if they cut the part out of the story where the lead elf tells the new female elves to use a tampon if its there time of the month.
Public Radio and TV have been on this slippery slope for at least the last 20 years. Eunuchs, and they do the job on themselves - and they're smug about it. "O, give us money for all the wonderful independent programming we give you (and don't pay any attention to those ball-deprived execs behind that curtain, sucking the censors' dicks...)." They aren't getting my buck.
"The following program may contain material that is offensive to some viewers" - well, fuckin' A!!! - that disclaimer used to be a flag that the show might be worth watching, but it's become so ubiquitous that it's losing even that utility.
If public broadcasting loses all its teeth, what good is it? Better to just cave and disappear than be a purveyor of slop to the most conservative slice of its audience. Hasn't it dawned on them that by attempting to survive by offending no one they become implicit in the corruption of their viewers and listeners?
Public Radio and TV have been on this slippery slope for at least the last 20 years. Eunuchs, and they do the job on themselves - and they're smug about it. "O, give us money for all the wonderful independent programming we give you (and don't pay any attention to those ball-deprived execs behind that curtain, sucking the censors' dicks...)." They aren't getting my buck.
"The following program may contain material that is offensive to some viewers" - well, fuckin' A!!! - that disclaimer used to be a flag that the show might be worth watching, but it's become so ubiquitous that it's losing even that utility.
If public broadcasting loses all its teeth, what good is it? Better to just cave and disappear than be a purveyor of slop to the most conservative slice of its audience. Hasn't it dawned on them that by attempting to survive by offending no one they become implicit in the corruption of their viewers and listeners?
Correction: read "complicit" for "implicit" in that last sentence...arghhh - Xmas Eve zoning....
Correction: read "complicit" for "implicit" in that last sentence...arghhh - Xmas Eve zoning....
That's funny; I was listening to the segment on my NPR affiliate in San Diego and heard with approval the "deleted" passage.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this censorship was done at the affiliate level.
That's funny; I was listening to the segment on my NPR affiliate in San Diego and heard with approval the "deleted" passage.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this censorship was done at the affiliate level.
LJ--You discount Raymond's and my "ear-witness" reports of listening to the uncensored Sedaris piece on the radio last night and repeat the canard that "This piece had apparently run on NPR for years. Only NOW is someone getting their panties in a knot over it."
You're just plain wrong: Ira Glass explained at the beginning of Tis American Life, the show on which it aired last night, that when the piece was originally run in 1992 on All Things Considered it had been cut. They were playiing the ENTIRE piece last night.
THis is one of those Interent rumors that gets more false as it goes on. I'm surprised atrios just posted it without checking the facts.
LJ--You discount Raymond's and my "ear-witness" reports of listening to the uncensored Sedaris piece on the radio last night and repeat the canard that "This piece had apparently run on NPR for years. Only NOW is someone getting their panties in a knot over it."
You're just plain wrong: Ira Glass explained at the beginning of Tis American Life, the show on which it aired last night, that when the piece was originally run in 1992 on All Things Considered it had been cut. They were playiing the ENTIRE piece last night.
THis is one of those Interent rumors that gets more false as it goes on. I'm surprised atrios just posted it without checking the facts.
Cut and paste, and send your email to NPR about this:
ombudsman@npr.org, corrections@npr.org, jking@npr.org, lbremner@npr.org, ejohnson@npr.org,allsongs@npr.org,atc@npr.org,dgeo
rge@npr.org,opera@npr.org,,connection@wbur.bu.edu,
daytoday@npr.org,drshow@wamu.org,freshair@whyy.org
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usticetalking@asc.upenn.edu,lusa@npr.org,loe@npr.o
rg,pj@scetv.org,morning@npr.org,fota@fool.com,perf
today@npr.org,tonycox@npr.org,ato@npr.org,onthemed
ia@wnyc.org,oag@wbur.bu.edu,reweb@npr.org,saysyou@
wgbh.org,shorts@symphonyspace.org,SundayB@wshu.org
,totn@npr.org,scifri@npr.org,plants@npr.org,thistl
e@npr.org,waitwait@npr.org,watc@npr.org,wesun@npr.
org,puzzle@npr.org,email@wrn.org
Cut and paste, and send your email to NPR about this:
ombudsman@npr.org, corrections@npr.org, jking@npr.org, lbremner@npr.org, ejohnson@npr.org,allsongs@npr.org,atc@npr.org,dgeo
rge@npr.org,opera@npr.org,,connection@wbur.bu.edu,
daytoday@npr.org,drshow@wamu.org,freshair@whyy.org
,jazz88@wbgo.org,jazzpro@npr.org,jazzset@npr.org,j
usticetalking@asc.upenn.edu,lusa@npr.org,loe@npr.o
rg,pj@scetv.org,morning@npr.org,fota@fool.com,perf
today@npr.org,tonycox@npr.org,ato@npr.org,onthemed
ia@wnyc.org,oag@wbur.bu.edu,reweb@npr.org,saysyou@
wgbh.org,shorts@symphonyspace.org,SundayB@wshu.org
,totn@npr.org,scifri@npr.org,plants@npr.org,thistl
e@npr.org,waitwait@npr.org,watc@npr.org,wesun@npr.
org,puzzle@npr.org,email@wrn.org
This is not an "internet rumor." NPR produced Morning Edition played a cut version of what All Things Considered played in 1992 (which itself was an edited version of the full recording of the Santaland diaries, but containd the offending segment).
PRI produced This American LIfe, which runs on many NPR stations, ran the entire version which is what some people heard.
This is not an "internet rumor." NPR produced Morning Edition played a cut version of what All Things Considered played in 1992 (which itself was an edited version of the full recording of the Santaland diaries, but containd the offending segment).
PRI produced This American LIfe, which runs on many NPR stations, ran the entire version which is what some people heard.
Listen, people.
Get your knickers out of a knot. The version of Santaland Diaries that was broadcast on Morning Edition, is only 1/3 the length of the entire piece. In the version that ran on This American Life, Ira Glass began the segment by reading:
The Morning Edition version of the Santaland Diaries ran only eight and a half minutes because of the format of Morning Edition, but here, here we have the time to stretch out, and play something that's much closer to David's original text.
The piece was edited for time, not for content. I have the 32-minute long version of the story that ran on This American Life. There is a LOT of material that was cut out, along with Crumpet's encounter with Snowball. Just calm down.
NPR is our friend.
Listen, people.
Get your knickers out of a knot. The version of Santaland Diaries that was broadcast on Morning Edition, is only 1/3 the length of the entire piece. In the version that ran on This American Life, Ira Glass began the segment by reading:
The Morning Edition version of the Santaland Diaries ran only eight and a half minutes because of the format of Morning Edition, but here, here we have the time to stretch out, and play something that's much closer to David's original text.
The piece was edited for time, not for content. I have the 32-minute long version of the story that ran on This American Life. There is a LOT of material that was cut out, along with Crumpet's encounter with Snowball. Just calm down.
NPR is our friend.
If anybody wants the actual text of Crumpet's part of the story, here ya go.
Many of the elves are young, high school and college students. They're young and they're cute and one of the job perks is that I get to see these people in their underpants. Unfortunately many of the cuter elves tend to wear bathing suits under their costumes, jams I believe they are called. The overall cutest elf is a fellow from Queens named Richie. His elf name is Snowball and he tends to ham it up with the children, sometimes tumbling down the path to Santa's house. I generally gag when elves get that cute but Richie is hands down adorable--you want to put him in your pocket.
Yesterday Richie and I worked as Santa elves and I got excited when he started saying things like "I'd follow you to Santa's house any day, Crumpet.'' It made me dizzy, this flirtation. By mid-afternoon I was running into walls. By late afternoon Richie had cooled down. By the end of our shift we were in the bathroom, changing our clothes, and all of a sudden we were surrounded by five Santas and three other elves--all of them were guys that Richie had been flirting with. Richie just leads elves on, elves and Santas. Later on we were in the elevator and I heard him say to his friend "I don't know what those guys all want with me. It gives me the creeps the way they stare.''
Richie is playing a dangerous game. It's one thing to get a child fired up but you really don't want to be working under a jilted Santa.
If anybody wants the actual text of Crumpet's part of the story, here ya go.
Many of the elves are young, high school and college students. They're young and they're cute and one of the job perks is that I get to see these people in their underpants. Unfortunately many of the cuter elves tend to wear bathing suits under their costumes, jams I believe they are called. The overall cutest elf is a fellow from Queens named Richie. His elf name is Snowball and he tends to ham it up with the children, sometimes tumbling down the path to Santa's house. I generally gag when elves get that cute but Richie is hands down adorable--you want to put him in your pocket.
Yesterday Richie and I worked as Santa elves and I got excited when he started saying things like "I'd follow you to Santa's house any day, Crumpet.'' It made me dizzy, this flirtation. By mid-afternoon I was running into walls. By late afternoon Richie had cooled down. By the end of our shift we were in the bathroom, changing our clothes, and all of a sudden we were surrounded by five Santas and three other elves--all of them were guys that Richie had been flirting with. Richie just leads elves on, elves and Santas. Later on we were in the elevator and I heard him say to his friend "I don't know what those guys all want with me. It gives me the creeps the way they stare.''
Richie is playing a dangerous game. It's one thing to get a child fired up but you really don't want to be working under a jilted Santa.
They did this to his Jazz story on TAL one time. Or Maybe he did it. Y'know, it might be his own choice. It may just be because I listen to KQED, but they're not squeemish about gay issues.
They did this to his Jazz story on TAL one time. Or Maybe he did it. Y'know, it might be his own choice. It may just be because I listen to KQED, but they're not squeemish about gay issues.
"This is one of those Interent rumors that gets more false as it goes on. I'm surprised atrios just posted it without checking the facts."
Exactly. Hear it just an hour ago during 'This American Life' over KUOW in Seattle. I've heard the Santaland Diaries in reruns a number and this was the first time I'd heard the Snowball anecdote. Atrios = Doofus on this one.
"This is one of those Interent rumors that gets more false as it goes on. I'm surprised atrios just posted it without checking the facts."
Exactly. Hear it just an hour ago during 'This American Life' over KUOW in Seattle. I've heard the Santaland Diaries in reruns a number and this was the first time I'd heard the Snowball anecdote. Atrios = Doofus on this one.
Heard it an hour ago, I meant to write, and it was just the section which MT quoted, right down to the 'jilted Santa'.
I suspect that Morning Edition also left out the part about the racist moms who didn't want their kids to see a 'chocolate Santa' this time but rather a 'traditional Santa, if you know what I mean'....
Heard it an hour ago, I meant to write, and it was just the section which MT quoted, right down to the 'jilted Santa'.
I suspect that Morning Edition also left out the part about the racist moms who didn't want their kids to see a 'chocolate Santa' this time but rather a 'traditional Santa, if you know what I mean'....
Woodie Guthrie's Guitar:
My philosophy education was limited to an intro course in college. I like your style of reasoning, writing and argument. Could you reccomend some reading for me? Particularly on 'construction'. Would Hayakawa be a good start or do I start elsewhere and end up there?
Woodie Guthrie's Guitar:
My philosophy education was limited to an intro course in college. I like your style of reasoning, writing and argument. Could you reccomend some reading for me? Particularly on 'construction'. Would Hayakawa be a good start or do I start elsewhere and end up there?
Woody
Woody
I heard the story over the weekend. Snowball was included.
I heard the story over the weekend. Snowball was included.
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