I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist?
frist?
Christ, Atrios, me either. It makes my fucking head spin.
This is America?
Christ, Atrios, me either. It makes my fucking head spin.
This is America?
Tortures wrong, except for when it's right. Has anyone told Bush that 1984 was suppose to be fiction?
Tortures wrong, except for when it's right. Has anyone told Bush that 1984 was suppose to be fiction?
Yeah, and some never thought we'd get into another Vietnam. I never thought people would bring up concentration camps again. Some sick fuckers just can't help themselves.
Nothing changes on New Year's day.
Yeah, and some never thought we'd get into another Vietnam. I never thought people would bring up concentration camps again. Some sick fuckers just can't help themselves.
Nothing changes on New Year's day.
So does this mean people will get in trouble, or does the new set of rules fall under the ex post facto rule?
So does this mean people will get in trouble, or does the new set of rules fall under the ex post facto rule?
Touche
Touche
There is no horror the GOP can't explain away. No law they won't break to satisfy their power lust.
There is no horror the GOP can't explain away. No law they won't break to satisfy their power lust.
So does this mean people will get in trouble?
People did get in trouble. Don't you remember those few bad apples?
So does this mean people will get in trouble?
People did get in trouble. Don't you remember those few bad apples?
bigvic -
bigvic -
bigvic - No law they won't break to satisfy their power lust.,/i>
Foolish child, Repugs are above the law.
bigvic - No law they won't break to satisfy their power lust.,/i>
Foolish child, Repugs are above the law.
Yeah, but I wasn't satisfied.
Yeah, but I wasn't satisfied.
"Has anyone told Bush that 1984 was suppose to be fiction?"
Has anyone told Bush his entire career is fiction?
Was watching Mooseport. I instantly thought of Bush during the Golf match when his aide had to inform him that his handicap was augmented.
"Has anyone told Bush that 1984 was suppose to be fiction?"
Has anyone told Bush his entire career is fiction?
Was watching Mooseport. I instantly thought of Bush during the Golf match when his aide had to inform him that his handicap was augmented.
AAArgh. didn't close the tag that time, after Haloscan ate the comment the first time.
Haloscan, you are really asking for it.
AAArgh. didn't close the tag that time, after Haloscan ate the comment the first time.
Haloscan, you are really asking for it.
I think we should stop torturing people and return to our core american competencies: bombing and killing in vast numbers.
I think we should stop torturing people and return to our core american competencies: bombing and killing in vast numbers.
I want to go on some rant about how our country insists on lying to itself just to sleep at night. At all levels it just seems the facts are easily ignored and the regression toward fascist behavior is comfortably accepted by a large percentage of the public without comment.
If we taught history, the real facts not the sanitized version, would the educated public be able to delude itself so well then? We have learned these lessons so many times.
Oh, but the community would never allow us to get to some history. The principal's phone would ring off the hook.
I want to go on some rant about how our country insists on lying to itself just to sleep at night. At all levels it just seems the facts are easily ignored and the regression toward fascist behavior is comfortably accepted by a large percentage of the public without comment.
If we taught history, the real facts not the sanitized version, would the educated public be able to delude itself so well then? We have learned these lessons so many times.
Oh, but the community would never allow us to get to some history. The principal's phone would ring off the hook.
barndog
ill thought logic or just humor??
oh yeah you just pulled the Ollie North defence.....oh, and by the way i was in Iraq with the 3/325 and led an Infantry squad in well over 100 combat and SASO operations/patrols
love those Marines too
barndog
ill thought logic or just humor??
oh yeah you just pulled the Ollie North defence.....oh, and by the way i was in Iraq with the 3/325 and led an Infantry squad in well over 100 combat and SASO operations/patrols
love those Marines too
Payback is going to be hell, we are not always going to be the world's superpower. And yeah, the rest of the world is going to have a long memory.
It always reminds me of the old story of the school yard bully, that finally gets his ass kicked. As he is laying on the ground with two broken legs and a broken arm crying for help, everyone just walks on by. What country in the world is going to come to our aid in twenty years or so? My guess is nobody.
Payback is going to be hell, we are not always going to be the world's superpower. And yeah, the rest of the world is going to have a long memory.
It always reminds me of the old story of the school yard bully, that finally gets his ass kicked. As he is laying on the ground with two broken legs and a broken arm crying for help, everyone just walks on by. What country in the world is going to come to our aid in twenty years or so? My guess is nobody.
What can we expect from the party that gives us this every day?
What can we expect from the party that gives us this every day?
On Crossfire right now, fucking Bayh Buchanan just had the gall to say that 'you liberals all complain about torture at Gitmo, etc. but never complain about what goes on in American prisons.' (paraphrased)
Does the putataive liberal Begala jump down her throat about such a manipulative lie? Hell no. Just lets it slide.
Why can't we get some decent debaters to represent our side?
On Crossfire right now, fucking Bayh Buchanan just had the gall to say that 'you liberals all complain about torture at Gitmo, etc. but never complain about what goes on in American prisons.' (paraphrased)
Does the putataive liberal Begala jump down her throat about such a manipulative lie? Hell no. Just lets it slide.
Why can't we get some decent debaters to represent our side?
There is no horror the GOP can't explain away. No law they won't break to satisfy their power lust.
But with this new memo, it at least proves they've got the Ministry of Truth working full-time for them. "Torture? No, not at all. Just look at this memo . . .."
There is no horror the GOP can't explain away. No law they won't break to satisfy their power lust.
But with this new memo, it at least proves they've got the Ministry of Truth working full-time for them. "Torture? No, not at all. Just look at this memo . . .."
You realize that none of this memo bullshit will stop the Bushists from doing exactly what they want.
They grab all the power and then they do what they want. That's how they operate.
You realize that none of this memo bullshit will stop the Bushists from doing exactly what they want.
They grab all the power and then they do what they want. That's how they operate.
Chris
What is the point of being a Superpower. People keep thinking we have to keep that title, but is it real? Did we win a contest for this?
The fact we are influential at a level above other nations was earned. Our conduct is eroding that influence again. When it is titled as being a SuperPower, the implication is we do things by force or influence things with the illusion at least of backing it up by force.
I feel, until recent events, despite our traumatic history we earned our stripes in the influence game. We have still the best document for a people to govern themselves by and the best system. However we can see the flaws. These people we rail against have exploited those flaws, not fixed them, using acts of cynical self-promotion. They are easily seen and our influence is not only diminishing but not to be trusted at our leadership level. We are not a Superpower, but we were the likely best option. Those days are gone at this point.
Yes to discuss what form of torture is right or wrong is the ultimate decline. Our ideals have been back burnered.
Chris
What is the point of being a Superpower. People keep thinking we have to keep that title, but is it real? Did we win a contest for this?
The fact we are influential at a level above other nations was earned. Our conduct is eroding that influence again. When it is titled as being a SuperPower, the implication is we do things by force or influence things with the illusion at least of backing it up by force.
I feel, until recent events, despite our traumatic history we earned our stripes in the influence game. We have still the best document for a people to govern themselves by and the best system. However we can see the flaws. These people we rail against have exploited those flaws, not fixed them, using acts of cynical self-promotion. They are easily seen and our influence is not only diminishing but not to be trusted at our leadership level. We are not a Superpower, but we were the likely best option. Those days are gone at this point.
Yes to discuss what form of torture is right or wrong is the ultimate decline. Our ideals have been back burnered.
Has anyone told Bush his entire career is fiction?
Interesting point. Looking at Bush's career, it has been like watching a Fortune 500 company roll out a new product. Lots of hype, smoke and mirrors, but no substance. What convictions does the man have? He's just a empty suit with Rove's hand up his ass. At least when I listened to his father, or even Jeb, they seem to have some core beliefs. Bush - All I see is a sociopath.
Has anyone told Bush his entire career is fiction?
Interesting point. Looking at Bush's career, it has been like watching a Fortune 500 company roll out a new product. Lots of hype, smoke and mirrors, but no substance. What convictions does the man have? He's just a empty suit with Rove's hand up his ass. At least when I listened to his father, or even Jeb, they seem to have some core beliefs. Bush - All I see is a sociopath.
3 / 325 = 0.00923076923
3 / 325 = 0.00923076923
let's say it together: fascism.
let's say it together: fascism.
Damn. I'm incoherent tonight. I've tried three different times to respond to this thread, and they've all been rambling bitterness.
I hate what our country has become. I hate those who have led so many of our people astray. And I want so much for both our government and our religious leaders to be held responsible by the same laws they claim to uphold.
Torture. How can they possibly condone torture, and call themselves human, let alone American?
Damn. I'm incoherent tonight. I've tried three different times to respond to this thread, and they've all been rambling bitterness.
I hate what our country has become. I hate those who have led so many of our people astray. And I want so much for both our government and our religious leaders to be held responsible by the same laws they claim to uphold.
Torture. How can they possibly condone torture, and call themselves human, let alone American?
pseudolus - talk about a non sequitur -
A. of course, that isn't true, liberals have complained and filed lawsuits over prison conditions in the U.S.;
and
B. the subject was Gitmo, not the U.S.
Why can't our side put these idjits in their places? Why why why?
pseudolus - talk about a non sequitur -
A. of course, that isn't true, liberals have complained and filed lawsuits over prison conditions in the U.S.;
and
B. the subject was Gitmo, not the U.S.
Why can't our side put these idjits in their places? Why why why?
Why can't we get some decent debaters to represent our side?
Because the right successful neuters anyone who can be foreseen as a threat from the left.
Why can't we get some decent debaters to represent our side?
Because the right successful neuters anyone who can be foreseen as a threat from the left.
My official 2004 is over. I'm going to sleep in about 5 hours, and when I wake up, I'm looking for another chance to do it right. Let's hope George has the same idea.
My official 2004 is over. I'm going to sleep in about 5 hours, and when I wake up, I'm looking for another chance to do it right. Let's hope George has the same idea.
barndog
so i'm a liar, eh?
barndog
so i'm a liar, eh?
Atrios,
C'mon, man.
You gotta spend the time to compile a "Best of Eschaton 2004" retrospective.
It will cost you a lot of time and probably money that you will never recoup.
It will never be adequately appreciated and will dissolve from the fruit fly attention span before you are even finished with the effort of producing it.
BUT I WANT IT! WAhhhhh!
Seriously, cull the best of the best.
I've seen some very good stuff here.
It's been a remarkable year.
Enlist some help.
Just do it.
Atrios,
C'mon, man.
You gotta spend the time to compile a "Best of Eschaton 2004" retrospective.
It will cost you a lot of time and probably money that you will never recoup.
It will never be adequately appreciated and will dissolve from the fruit fly attention span before you are even finished with the effort of producing it.
BUT I WANT IT! WAhhhhh!
Seriously, cull the best of the best.
I've seen some very good stuff here.
It's been a remarkable year.
Enlist some help.
Just do it.
Torture. How can they possibly condone torture, and call themselves human, let alone American?
--filkertom
Exactly, filker. Exactly.
I hate what is going on here, too. I can't believe it, still, that people haven't risen up and told the government that this outrage will not stand. I am bitterly disappointed in the people who just accept this shit.
Torture. How can they possibly condone torture, and call themselves human, let alone American?
--filkertom
Exactly, filker. Exactly.
I hate what is going on here, too. I can't believe it, still, that people haven't risen up and told the government that this outrage will not stand. I am bitterly disappointed in the people who just accept this shit.
Why can't we get some decent debaters to represent our side?
pseudolus the first | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 4:56 pm | #
turn it off, man. just turn it off.
Why can't we get some decent debaters to represent our side?
pseudolus the first | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 4:56 pm | #
turn it off, man. just turn it off.
I never thought this country would elect someone as stupid and as corrupt as chimpy.
I never thought this country would elect someone as stupid and as corrupt as chimpy.
What is the point of being a Superpower. People keep thinking we have to keep that title, but is it real? Did we win a contest for this?
We did, sorta. After World War 2, we were unscathed, compared to the other industrial powers. We had a bit of a leg up when it came to commerce and power. It's frightfully more complicated that that, but I think that's a good place to pin the medal of "superpower."
What is the point of being a Superpower. People keep thinking we have to keep that title, but is it real? Did we win a contest for this?
We did, sorta. After World War 2, we were unscathed, compared to the other industrial powers. We had a bit of a leg up when it came to commerce and power. It's frightfully more complicated that that, but I think that's a good place to pin the medal of "superpower."
"Because the right successful neuters anyone who can be foreseen as a threat from the left."
Correct, the debate is never reached. They compromise good people even if the issue creating the compromise is false. Look at Kerry and the Swiftboat folks. The Right knew if things got over the top and the truth heard, they could step back, issue mea culpas and toss the SwiftBoaters over the wall. I can Bush and his folks issuing statements how they were fooled by these men and how shameful it was for the Swiftboaters to put up this sham. They went for the gold with a constructed patsy.
"Because the right successful neuters anyone who can be foreseen as a threat from the left."
Correct, the debate is never reached. They compromise good people even if the issue creating the compromise is false. Look at Kerry and the Swiftboat folks. The Right knew if things got over the top and the truth heard, they could step back, issue mea culpas and toss the SwiftBoaters over the wall. I can Bush and his folks issuing statements how they were fooled by these men and how shameful it was for the Swiftboaters to put up this sham. They went for the gold with a constructed patsy.
I am bitterly disappointed in the people who just accept this shit.
They don't just accept it, they approve of it.
Sorry, but it's true.
On a happier note, some cute furry guys to cheer everyone up.
I am bitterly disappointed in the people who just accept this shit.
They don't just accept it, they approve of it.
Sorry, but it's true.
On a happier note, some cute furry guys to cheer everyone up.
I never thought this country would elect someone as stupid and as corrupt as chimpy.
fourlegsgood
Especially once he had a presidential track record. And his track record for crying out loud!
I never thought this country would elect someone as stupid and as corrupt as chimpy.
fourlegsgood
Especially once he had a presidential track record. And his track record for crying out loud!
If you want to admit it, I suppose thats entirely up to you.
I did 15 and moved the fuck on with my life. Twasn't moi who was carrying on about their escapades in the sandbox. I have plenty of Bro's there right now.
So, what was your point?
If you want to admit it, I suppose thats entirely up to you.
I did 15 and moved the fuck on with my life. Twasn't moi who was carrying on about their escapades in the sandbox. I have plenty of Bro's there right now.
So, what was your point?
Don't know about the rest of you, but I for one feel we're pretty damn fortunate that Chimp and his pals are all devout followers of Jesus. I shudder to think what depths of depravity they might now be plumbing if not for the fact that their hearts are all filled with love, charity and good will towards Mankind.
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Don't know about the rest of you, but I for one feel we're pretty damn fortunate that Chimp and his pals are all devout followers of Jesus. I shudder to think what depths of depravity they might now be plumbing if not for the fact that their hearts are all filled with love, charity and good will towards Mankind.
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Word, Tena.
And, pseudolus, sorry, friend, but we've got some great debaters. Unfortunately, the Right engages in shouting matches, character assassination, and cheap shots, all playing to people's fears. In a real debate, with facts and figures and references, we kick their asses time and again. So they've changed the game, and sadly our side keeps playing it.
Word, Tena.
And, pseudolus, sorry, friend, but we've got some great debaters. Unfortunately, the Right engages in shouting matches, character assassination, and cheap shots, all playing to people's fears. In a real debate, with facts and figures and references, we kick their asses time and again. So they've changed the game, and sadly our side keeps playing it.
Oh, but the community would never allow us to get to some history. The principal's phone would ring off the hook.
weblackey
The main purpose of 'high stakes testing' is to intimidate students into wholesale, thoughtless, mindless, stupid orthodoxy...
Here's how it works:
High stakes tests, in effect, determine the future for all but the most elite students. The tests are referenced to the curriculum. If you do not get 'the curriculum' you don't pass the tests. If you are suspended, or ostracized, or censured in school (for, say, thinking too much or talking too much), you are denied access to 'the curriculum' and are thereby penalized when it comes time to take the tests...
It's very effective...
Oh, but the community would never allow us to get to some history. The principal's phone would ring off the hook.
weblackey
The main purpose of 'high stakes testing' is to intimidate students into wholesale, thoughtless, mindless, stupid orthodoxy...
Here's how it works:
High stakes tests, in effect, determine the future for all but the most elite students. The tests are referenced to the curriculum. If you do not get 'the curriculum' you don't pass the tests. If you are suspended, or ostracized, or censured in school (for, say, thinking too much or talking too much), you are denied access to 'the curriculum' and are thereby penalized when it comes time to take the tests...
It's very effective...
From the NY Times:
Democrats have said they would question Gonzales closely on memos he wrote that were similar to the now-disavowed Justice Department documents that critics said appeared to justify torture.
I'm not holding my breath.
From the NY Times:
Democrats have said they would question Gonzales closely on memos he wrote that were similar to the now-disavowed Justice Department documents that critics said appeared to justify torture.
I'm not holding my breath.
I never thought this country would elect someone as stupid and as corrupt as chimpy.
fourlegsgood
Especially once he had a presidential track record. And his track record for crying out loud!
Matt | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:04 pm | #
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guys, i'm sure someone's beaten me to it, but: he didn't win. either time.
I never thought this country would elect someone as stupid and as corrupt as chimpy.
fourlegsgood
Especially once he had a presidential track record. And his track record for crying out loud!
Matt | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:04 pm | #
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guys, i'm sure someone's beaten me to it, but: he didn't win. either time.
filkertom
You just gave me a picture of the debates in this country as the debate team versus the football squad. Guess who is going to rough up whom before starting the debate.
filkertom
You just gave me a picture of the debates in this country as the debate team versus the football squad. Guess who is going to rough up whom before starting the debate.
I wasn't gonna say it, chicago, but I sure thought it loud.
I wasn't gonna say it, chicago, but I sure thought it loud.
EkCenTriK -- Fight fiercely, Harvard, fight fight fight, impress them with our prowess, do.... :-/
EkCenTriK -- Fight fiercely, Harvard, fight fight fight, impress them with our prowess, do.... :-/
barndog
no point really just that the UP is Wisconsins the border is just a British pencil mark on a map and the two should become one under the leadership of the Favre
barndog
no point really just that the UP is Wisconsins the border is just a British pencil mark on a map and the two should become one under the leadership of the Favre
guys, i'm sure someone's beaten me to it, but: he didn't win. either time.
chicago dyke
Silly! Don't you know that you don't have to win to be elected in America now? I mean, winning is so 20th century.
guys, i'm sure someone's beaten me to it, but: he didn't win. either time.
chicago dyke
Silly! Don't you know that you don't have to win to be elected in America now? I mean, winning is so 20th century.
By the way, there are cats behind the homepage link. Just saying since I do not see a Cat Bloggin Post from Atrios yet.
By the way, there are cats behind the homepage link. Just saying since I do not see a Cat Bloggin Post from Atrios yet.
Plus, and I wish I could properly credit the person who wrote this here a couple weeks ago, but the level of debate in this country has sunk to this (as seen in the Kerry-Bush debates):
Kerry: Here is a finely nuanced but clear and common-sense answer to a weighty problem.
Bush: Nope. He's wrong. Burn! I win!
Magnify by a thousand times through megaphones like Fox News and Limbaugh and the left is effectively boxed-in.
Plus, and I wish I could properly credit the person who wrote this here a couple weeks ago, but the level of debate in this country has sunk to this (as seen in the Kerry-Bush debates):
Kerry: Here is a finely nuanced but clear and common-sense answer to a weighty problem.
Bush: Nope. He's wrong. Burn! I win!
Magnify by a thousand times through megaphones like Fox News and Limbaugh and the left is effectively boxed-in.
EkCenTriK -
The conventional meaning of superpower conveys military superiority. I use it more in the context of, in 1960, we had 5% of the worlds population, and accounted for 40% plus of the worlds economy. Flash forward to current, we have about 4% of the worlds population, and now account for about 20% of the worlds economy.
Roll forward twenty years, and we may only account for 10% or less of the worlds economy. The USSR was a superpower (militarily), but look where that got them. I just see us in somewhat the same boat, overspending on the military so we can be unilateral (the bully image we have around the world).
Hell, if China, Japan, and India want to take us down a notch, they can do it in 24 hours by dumping a trillion dollars or so of our bonds (embellishing the point). Obviously they are going to do it slower by just turning down the cash spigot so they don't hurt their own economies in the process.
EkCenTriK -
The conventional meaning of superpower conveys military superiority. I use it more in the context of, in 1960, we had 5% of the worlds population, and accounted for 40% plus of the worlds economy. Flash forward to current, we have about 4% of the worlds population, and now account for about 20% of the worlds economy.
Roll forward twenty years, and we may only account for 10% or less of the worlds economy. The USSR was a superpower (militarily), but look where that got them. I just see us in somewhat the same boat, overspending on the military so we can be unilateral (the bully image we have around the world).
Hell, if China, Japan, and India want to take us down a notch, they can do it in 24 hours by dumping a trillion dollars or so of our bonds (embellishing the point). Obviously they are going to do it slower by just turning down the cash spigot so they don't hurt their own economies in the process.
Sometimes it good to look backwards to see how some of this stuff started.
A lot of the problem came from the "Lord of the Rings" view of the war. That we're "good", and therefore we're allowed to be as evil as we need to be.
Sometimes it good to look backwards to see how some of this stuff started.
A lot of the problem came from the "Lord of the Rings" view of the war. That we're "good", and therefore we're allowed to be as evil as we need to be.
turn it off, man. just turn it off.
chicago dyke | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:02 pm | #
I can't just turn it off, because that doesn't make it go away. I need to see what crap is going down, so I can prepare for it.
"Reality is that which, when you stop beleiving in it, doesn't go away."
--P.K.Dick
turn it off, man. just turn it off.
chicago dyke | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:02 pm | #
I can't just turn it off, because that doesn't make it go away. I need to see what crap is going down, so I can prepare for it.
"Reality is that which, when you stop beleiving in it, doesn't go away."
--P.K.Dick
new thread...really
new thread...really
Look, all Bush has to do to resolve the issue is to issue a pardon. He should start with Alberto Gonzalez.
It would be perfectly in keeping with the modus operandi of this administration.
Brazenly violate the law and normal standards of human decency, and then flaunt how those who disagree can't do a damn thing about it.
Look, all Bush has to do to resolve the issue is to issue a pardon. He should start with Alberto Gonzalez.
It would be perfectly in keeping with the modus operandi of this administration.
Brazenly violate the law and normal standards of human decency, and then flaunt how those who disagree can't do a damn thing about it.
A lot of the problem came from the "Lord of the Rings" view of the war. That we're "good", and therefore we're allowed to be as evil as we need to be.
thehim | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:13 pm
I'm afraid I don't agree. The point of LOTR is avoiding evil. Power corrupts, and it corrupts the intentions as well as the deeds. The forces of good did their best work when they cooperated, supported each other, resisted the tools their foes used, and stayed true to themselves. When they strayed from those ideals, and those tactics, bad things happened.
A lot of the problem came from the "Lord of the Rings" view of the war. That we're "good", and therefore we're allowed to be as evil as we need to be.
thehim | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:13 pm
I'm afraid I don't agree. The point of LOTR is avoiding evil. Power corrupts, and it corrupts the intentions as well as the deeds. The forces of good did their best work when they cooperated, supported each other, resisted the tools their foes used, and stayed true to themselves. When they strayed from those ideals, and those tactics, bad things happened.
And, pseudolus, sorry, friend, but we've got some great debaters. Unfortunately, the Right engages in shouting matches, character assassination, and cheap shots, all playing to people's fears. In a real debate, with facts and figures and references, we kick their asses time and again. So they've changed the game, and sadly our side keeps playing it.
filkertom |
Thanks, but I know that. I'm just venting here as the old year winds down. Got my crotchety ol' man schtick to keep polished.
And, pseudolus, sorry, friend, but we've got some great debaters. Unfortunately, the Right engages in shouting matches, character assassination, and cheap shots, all playing to people's fears. In a real debate, with facts and figures and references, we kick their asses time and again. So they've changed the game, and sadly our side keeps playing it.
filkertom |
Thanks, but I know that. I'm just venting here as the old year winds down. Got my crotchety ol' man schtick to keep polished.
Hey Pseudolus, you a fan of Plautus?
Hey Pseudolus, you a fan of Plautus?
Filkertom,
You may be right. I've only seen the first movie. I just use that as a reference because I've heard wingnuts use "Lord of the Rings" in their rationale for why we needed to invade Iraq in the first place.
Why people are using fictional movies to determine what we should do in real life is pretty scary, but it happens a lot and I worry it's why the "Terminator" is now in charge of California.
Filkertom,
You may be right. I've only seen the first movie. I just use that as a reference because I've heard wingnuts use "Lord of the Rings" in their rationale for why we needed to invade Iraq in the first place.
Why people are using fictional movies to determine what we should do in real life is pretty scary, but it happens a lot and I worry it's why the "Terminator" is now in charge of California.
'Salright, pseudolus. I'm feeling pretty crotchety myself right this second.
'Salright, pseudolus. I'm feeling pretty crotchety myself right this second.
thehim - That we're "good", and therefore we're allowed to be as evil as we need to be.
This has always been true. Thus the need that was recognized for some rules of warfare - The Geneva Convention.
thehim - That we're "good", and therefore we're allowed to be as evil as we need to be.
This has always been true. Thus the need that was recognized for some rules of warfare - The Geneva Convention.
Look, I'm sure that, if you were to ask Donald Rumsfeld, he would insist that it "breaks his heart" to torture all those people.
He probably has his word-processor send the torturee's families some lovely guaranteed* personally# signed**
letters of "condolence".
*not a guarantee
#not a person
** "signed", "scanned", what's the difference buddy? Hey, you look likle you've got a few secrets Unkle Rummy wants. Now relax and let the hooks do their work...
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Look, I'm sure that, if you were to ask Donald Rumsfeld, he would insist that it "breaks his heart" to torture all those people.
He probably has his word-processor send the torturee's families some lovely guaranteed* personally# signed**
letters of "condolence".
*not a guarantee
#not a person
** "signed", "scanned", what's the difference buddy? Hey, you look likle you've got a few secrets Unkle Rummy wants. Now relax and let the hooks do their work...
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Hey Pseudolus, you a fan of Plautus?
Hesiod_2k@yahoo.com
No, just a fan of Zero Mostel in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
Hey Pseudolus, you a fan of Plautus?
Hesiod_2k@yahoo.com
No, just a fan of Zero Mostel in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
thehim -- yeah, well, even the Terminator became the good guy in the last two films.
The original books and all three films -- especially in the Extended Editions -- continue with the theme that the Ring corrupts. Aragorn is one of the only men with the will to resist it. The hobbits, as a race, seem better suited to resist its lure because they really don't have a need or inclination to lord it over anyone. Sorcerors like Gandalf and Galadriel, already accustomed to wielding power, were actually more susceptible to it -- think of all those jokes about someone whose last words are, "Don't worry, I got i-"
thehim -- yeah, well, even the Terminator became the good guy in the last two films.
The original books and all three films -- especially in the Extended Editions -- continue with the theme that the Ring corrupts. Aragorn is one of the only men with the will to resist it. The hobbits, as a race, seem better suited to resist its lure because they really don't have a need or inclination to lord it over anyone. Sorcerors like Gandalf and Galadriel, already accustomed to wielding power, were actually more susceptible to it -- think of all those jokes about someone whose last words are, "Don't worry, I got i-"
"I never thought we'd be having serious conversations about the relative merits of various government issued "torture memos." "
My torture memo is better than you torture memo.
MYOB'
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"I never thought we'd be having serious conversations about the relative merits of various government issued "torture memos." "
My torture memo is better than you torture memo.
MYOB'
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the era of the Bushcriminal, neoconomania, and fundichristianzealotry is an abyss.
The US as leader of progress nations is dead.
All that remians of the US is its founding ideals, waiting to be reborn.
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the era of the Bushcriminal, neoconomania, and fundichristianzealotry is an abyss.
The US as leader of progress nations is dead.
All that remians of the US is its founding ideals, waiting to be reborn.
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This has always been true. Thus the need that was recognized for some rules of warfare - The Geneva Convention.
Joe Biden lecturing Ashcroft about this was one of the coolest things to happen in a year where not many cool things happened...
This has always been true. Thus the need that was recognized for some rules of warfare - The Geneva Convention.
Joe Biden lecturing Ashcroft about this was one of the coolest things to happen in a year where not many cool things happened...
yeah, well, even the Terminator became the good guy in the last two films.
Actually, I haven't seen any of the Terminator movies either, so I'm pulling a lot of references out of my ass now (what else was Schwarzenegger in? Twins? Kindergarden Cop?). 
Anyway, thanks for the LOTR info. I guess even now, I can still give wingnuts too much credit for the crap that they say.
yeah, well, even the Terminator became the good guy in the last two films.
Actually, I haven't seen any of the Terminator movies either, so I'm pulling a lot of references out of my ass now (what else was Schwarzenegger in? Twins? Kindergarden Cop?).
Anyway, thanks for the LOTR info. I guess even now, I can still give wingnuts too much credit for the crap that they say.
Three in a row?
I didn't think that was possible on this message board.
Three in a row?
I didn't think that was possible on this message board.
Three in a row?
I didn't think that was possible on this message board.
Only on a holiday.
And by the way, people, it's Holy Day, not holiday! Holy Days are under siege I tell you!
Three in a row?
I didn't think that was possible on this message board.
Only on a holiday.
And by the way, people, it's Holy Day, not holiday! Holy Days are under siege I tell you!
Three in a row?
I didn't think that was possible on this message board.
thehim
It's a party night, most regular posters are getting ready to go out and slam in the new year. Only we few with little or no social life who usually lurk, can get a word or two in here today.
Three in a row?
I didn't think that was possible on this message board.
thehim
It's a party night, most regular posters are getting ready to go out and slam in the new year. Only we few with little or no social life who usually lurk, can get a word or two in here today.
This has always been true. Thus the need that was recognized for some rules of warfare - The Geneva Convention.
How quaint.
This has always been true. Thus the need that was recognized for some rules of warfare - The Geneva Convention.
How quaint.
It's a party night, most regular posters are getting ready to go out and slam in the new year. Only we few with little or no social life who usually lurk, can get a word or two in here today.
Yeah, I'm at work, but only for another half-hour. Everyone have fun and be safe tonight!
It's a party night, most regular posters are getting ready to go out and slam in the new year. Only we few with little or no social life who usually lurk, can get a word or two in here today.
Yeah, I'm at work, but only for another half-hour. Everyone have fun and be safe tonight!
Hugs to all of you. I'm off to spend time with other friends this evening, friends I don't often see; but you are all tremendous, and I thank you so much for your kindness and support.
A very Happy New Year to us all.
Hugs to all of you. I'm off to spend time with other friends this evening, friends I don't often see; but you are all tremendous, and I thank you so much for your kindness and support.
A very Happy New Year to us all.
Happy New Year, filkertom.
Happy New Year, filkertom.
Tired of being stupid yet?
There ARE actions that can be taken.
We don't need to complain.
Think about it.
What do repugs and war mongers care about and how do they keep their power?
Suppose we all called in sick for a month from our jobs?
Took all of our money out of the banks and stopped spending for a month?
How long would it take to save enough money to live on for a month and just coordinate our efforts and go down at the same time?
Stock up on food and water. Turn off the TV. Gather up our ethical, logical, and passionate courage and work everyday on a variety of projects we never get to do. Meet our neighbors. Have meetings in our churches about what is religion for anyway, but to learn compassion and forgiveness. And if we are about that, why the paradox of causing war?
In the meantime, their contest among themselves that keeps hurling us toward absense will embarrassingly fall way below standards and who knows, they may even implode on themselves.
Don't go to war. Just don't go. Don't get yourself killed for duplicity and greed. Hide out. Leave the country.
Fight to get our regulations that provide safety and security in public trust back into focus and back into play.
We are rapidly becoming a third world country. This admin and its followers may actually be creating an illusion of armeggedon and are so raptured up in the power to create this illusion that they are willing to "romantically" go down with it, while we are the protesting sitting ducks.
Where is this American spirit we are supposed to be so proud of?
How come the Ukranies can stand against fraud and we cannot?
Have we all become wimps? Fuck you wanna be like the rich comforts... that won't matter if the bombs and the gestapo set in...
To be proud to have gone off to kill Iraqis is quite sick.
This is pychobabble and those towers imploded by design, not by airplane.
when will Americans snap out of denial and begin to see the patterns in this horror story we are caught in?
You are right that they are wrong and that as we currently hold it, we are powerless. Any individual that stands up will be murdered, or silenced or ridiculed.
But what can they do to the masses? Especially if we act all at once?
Even one week of shutting them down will cause major bankruptcy and reveal the perpertrators.
Everything is auditable. Everything that has to do with money is traceable unless you no longer get your original documents back from the bank... guess what... ? we are in a world of shit.
shit stinks, and it holds the miracle of life in its cells..... when it mingles with the dirt it is meant to feed.
biology and physics...
biology and physics...
biology and physics...
life and light.
lets get out of this darkness together. but not like we are right
about something and someone is wrong.
no.
let's just invent something new with our own resources.
we can
Tired of being stupid yet?
There ARE actions that can be taken.
We don't need to complain.
Think about it.
What do repugs and war mongers care about and how do they keep their power?
Suppose we all called in sick for a month from our jobs?
Took all of our money out of the banks and stopped spending for a month?
How long would it take to save enough money to live on for a month and just coordinate our efforts and go down at the same time?
Stock up on food and water. Turn off the TV. Gather up our ethical, logical, and passionate courage and work everyday on a variety of projects we never get to do. Meet our neighbors. Have meetings in our churches about what is religion for anyway, but to learn compassion and forgiveness. And if we are about that, why the paradox of causing war?
In the meantime, their contest among themselves that keeps hurling us toward absense will embarrassingly fall way below standards and who knows, they may even implode on themselves.
Don't go to war. Just don't go. Don't get yourself killed for duplicity and greed. Hide out. Leave the country.
Fight to get our regulations that provide safety and security in public trust back into focus and back into play.
We are rapidly becoming a third world country. This admin and its followers may actually be creating an illusion of armeggedon and are so raptured up in the power to create this illusion that they are willing to "romantically" go down with it, while we are the protesting sitting ducks.
Where is this American spirit we are supposed to be so proud of?
How come the Ukranies can stand against fraud and we cannot?
Have we all become wimps? Fuck you wanna be like the rich comforts... that won't matter if the bombs and the gestapo set in...
To be proud to have gone off to kill Iraqis is quite sick.
This is pychobabble and those towers imploded by design, not by airplane.
when will Americans snap out of denial and begin to see the patterns in this horror story we are caught in?
You are right that they are wrong and that as we currently hold it, we are powerless. Any individual that stands up will be murdered, or silenced or ridiculed.
But what can they do to the masses? Especially if we act all at once?
Even one week of shutting them down will cause major bankruptcy and reveal the perpertrators.
Everything is auditable. Everything that has to do with money is traceable unless you no longer get your original documents back from the bank... guess what... ? we are in a world of shit.
shit stinks, and it holds the miracle of life in its cells..... when it mingles with the dirt it is meant to feed.
biology and physics...
biology and physics...
biology and physics...
life and light.
lets get out of this darkness together. but not like we are right
about something and someone is wrong.
no.
let's just invent something new with our own resources.
we can
I remember watching a debate on choice on PBS. The wingnut said something about a connection between breast cancer and abortion. Citing some obsure minor study funded by a wingnut organization. The prochoice person pointed this out, then proceeding to cite mainstream, peer reviewed studies disproving the theory. It was eerie cause the wingnut didn't even look at the pro person, did not dispute anything she said, just spurted out another lie.
That's how they debate. Lie, lie, lie.
I remember watching a debate on choice on PBS. The wingnut said something about a connection between breast cancer and abortion. Citing some obsure minor study funded by a wingnut organization. The prochoice person pointed this out, then proceeding to cite mainstream, peer reviewed studies disproving the theory. It was eerie cause the wingnut didn't even look at the pro person, did not dispute anything she said, just spurted out another lie.
That's how they debate. Lie, lie, lie.
Im sorry to have to say this but sometimes I wish we had a huge financial crisis in this country so our leaders would not have any money to continue their foolish march into the lunacy of empire.I think I might get my wish.
Im sorry to have to say this but sometimes I wish we had a huge financial crisis in this country so our leaders would not have any money to continue their foolish march into the lunacy of empire.I think I might get my wish.
Im sorry to have to say this but sometimes I wish we had a huge financial crisis in this country so our leaders would not have any money to continue their foolish march into the lunacy of empire.I think I might get my wish.
notch | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:49 pm
Unfortunately, our leaders are filthy rich. So, by the time they are hurtin' financially, the rest of us will be eating 'grass & bark soup' and living under the underpasses.
Im sorry to have to say this but sometimes I wish we had a huge financial crisis in this country so our leaders would not have any money to continue their foolish march into the lunacy of empire.I think I might get my wish.
notch | Email | Homepage | 12.31.04 - 5:49 pm
Unfortunately, our leaders are filthy rich. So, by the time they are hurtin' financially, the rest of us will be eating 'grass & bark soup' and living under the underpasses.
First off, Bayh Bushanan, oops I mean Buchanan, ist a lezzie single mother who should be home caring for her misbegotten liebenkinder and not opening her gigantic jaws at every televised opportunity.
Secondly, pseudolus the first, what the f___ are you doing watching crap like Crossfire??? Are you a shut-in or what? And by the way, I loved you in "Funny Thing Happened on The Way To The Forum.
Thirdly, a few thumb screws, wires and a battery and a package of cigaretten are all a few bad apfels need to ruin a perfectly good Reich.
Zig Bush!
First off, Bayh Bushanan, oops I mean Buchanan, ist a lezzie single mother who should be home caring for her misbegotten liebenkinder and not opening her gigantic jaws at every televised opportunity.
Secondly, pseudolus the first, what the f___ are you doing watching crap like Crossfire??? Are you a shut-in or what? And by the way, I loved you in "Funny Thing Happened on The Way To The Forum.
Thirdly, a few thumb screws, wires and a battery and a package of cigaretten are all a few bad apfels need to ruin a perfectly good Reich.
Zig Bush!
pseudolus - Unfortunately, our leaders are filthy rich. So, by the time they are hurtin' financially, the rest of us will be eating 'grass & bark soup' and living under the underpasses.
Exactly. Be careful what you wish for, people. Another Great Depression is not something you want to go through. It's like the fundies wishing for the End of the World so they can watch us suffer from heaven.
A financial crisis could literally wipe out thousands and thousands of people's lives.
pseudolus - Unfortunately, our leaders are filthy rich. So, by the time they are hurtin' financially, the rest of us will be eating 'grass & bark soup' and living under the underpasses.
Exactly. Be careful what you wish for, people. Another Great Depression is not something you want to go through. It's like the fundies wishing for the End of the World so they can watch us suffer from heaven.
A financial crisis could literally wipe out thousands and thousands of people's lives.
I'm reposting from another thread:
T, does anyone know how to transfer Favorites and/or Address Book from AOL to Firefox?
And more on topic, I have a cousin back east with some influence, not tons, who is on a campaign to interfere with Bush's inaugural money waster for the reasons you already know. He's looking for ideas. He's already contacting those he can, as well as those he knows at the NYT. Any thoughts?
I'm reposting from another thread:
T, does anyone know how to transfer Favorites and/or Address Book from AOL to Firefox?
And more on topic, I have a cousin back east with some influence, not tons, who is on a campaign to interfere with Bush's inaugural money waster for the reasons you already know. He's looking for ideas. He's already contacting those he can, as well as those he knows at the NYT. Any thoughts?
so can bombs and poison in our water, and pharmaceuticals that are not safe, and strokes, heart attacks from stress, and so can the hatred of others coming at us one at a time....
is this the fear everyone is in a holding pattern over? a financial crisis? Aren't we already having one?
a thirty year crisis in fact.
30 years ago we got 14% interest on our savings and could have enough in our savings to retire... now we get 1.75% and pay 14% for the debt we need to survive... and one or two layoffs and we are HAVING A FINANCIAL CRISIS>>>
but not some of us, huh? not yet.
so can bombs and poison in our water, and pharmaceuticals that are not safe, and strokes, heart attacks from stress, and so can the hatred of others coming at us one at a time....
is this the fear everyone is in a holding pattern over? a financial crisis? Aren't we already having one?
a thirty year crisis in fact.
30 years ago we got 14% interest on our savings and could have enough in our savings to retire... now we get 1.75% and pay 14% for the debt we need to survive... and one or two layoffs and we are HAVING A FINANCIAL CRISIS>>>
but not some of us, huh? not yet.
Tena - It's not a matter of "wishing for", but more a matter of the inevitable. Just like all the wingers saying we wish for Iraq to fail. Of course we don't wish for that, it is just some knowledge and common sense made us know that we will fail.
With some sane financial policies, we could have extended our economic dominance well into this century. Instead, Bush has taken us to the edge of the cliff, and seems determined to take us over the cliff. You or I could not spend 20% more than we make forever, so how can the US do it? The answer is we can't, and the world banks have us by the short hairs. It ain't gonna be pretty...
Tena - It's not a matter of "wishing for", but more a matter of the inevitable. Just like all the wingers saying we wish for Iraq to fail. Of course we don't wish for that, it is just some knowledge and common sense made us know that we will fail.
With some sane financial policies, we could have extended our economic dominance well into this century. Instead, Bush has taken us to the edge of the cliff, and seems determined to take us over the cliff. You or I could not spend 20% more than we make forever, so how can the US do it? The answer is we can't, and the world banks have us by the short hairs. It ain't gonna be pretty...
About 4 years ago I saw Bayh Buchanan give a talk. It was rambling, pointless and incoherent. Even the young republicans that sponsored her seemed baffled so that in order to get a positive response she'd occasionally throw out a "red meat" talking point - the crowd would then go wild at her brilliant insight.
In Paul Begala's defense, his brain was probably in meltdown at her inanity and blatant dishonesty. Although, as a professional having to deal with the likes of bow-tie-guy you'd think he'd be able to fend better.
About 4 years ago I saw Bayh Buchanan give a talk. It was rambling, pointless and incoherent. Even the young republicans that sponsored her seemed baffled so that in order to get a positive response she'd occasionally throw out a "red meat" talking point - the crowd would then go wild at her brilliant insight.
In Paul Begala's defense, his brain was probably in meltdown at her inanity and blatant dishonesty. Although, as a professional having to deal with the likes of bow-tie-guy you'd think he'd be able to fend better.
Sorry, that should have read, "OT"
Sorry, that should have read, "OT"
what the f___ are you doing watching crap like Crossfire??? Are you a shut-in or what? And by the way, I loved you in "Funny Thing Happened on The Way To The Forum.
Thirdly, a few thumb screws, wires and a battery and a package of cigaretten are all a few bad apfels need to ruin a perfectly good Reich.
Zig Bush!
col. klink
I explained further upthread.
Gotta keep an eye on the doings of the other side. If I didn't, I would have missed the Jon Stewart smackdown in realtime.
what the f___ are you doing watching crap like Crossfire??? Are you a shut-in or what? And by the way, I loved you in "Funny Thing Happened on The Way To The Forum.
Thirdly, a few thumb screws, wires and a battery and a package of cigaretten are all a few bad apfels need to ruin a perfectly good Reich.
Zig Bush!
col. klink
I explained further upthread.
Gotta keep an eye on the doings of the other side. If I didn't, I would have missed the Jon Stewart smackdown in realtime.
does anyone know how to transfer Favorites and/or Address Book from AOL to Firefox?
I don't know of any tools to do that, and I ask the obvious, have you asked Google? If you can't find anything I would suggest you get a good macro tool like Quickeys to automate the manual process of copying and pasting.
It will also give you some power to automate many of your computer tasks.
In Paul Begala's defense, his brain was probably in meltdown at her inanity and blatant dishonesty. Although, as a professional having to deal with the likes of bow-tie-guy you'd think he'd be able to fend better.
jimmiraybob
Well, Paul shouldn't be boggled by things like that. The response was immediate in me and I'm no professional pundit. And he is always missing those obvious chances to fire back.
does anyone know how to transfer Favorites and/or Address Book from AOL to Firefox?
I don't know of any tools to do that, and I ask the obvious, have you asked Google? If you can't find anything I would suggest you get a good macro tool like Quickeys to automate the manual process of copying and pasting.
It will also give you some power to automate many of your computer tasks.
In Paul Begala's defense, his brain was probably in meltdown at her inanity and blatant dishonesty. Although, as a professional having to deal with the likes of bow-tie-guy you'd think he'd be able to fend better.
jimmiraybob
Well, Paul shouldn't be boggled by things like that. The response was immediate in me and I'm no professional pundit. And he is always missing those obvious chances to fire back.
chris/tx - oh I agree with what you are saying. I'm quite worried because Mr. Tena is worried. He doesn't worry unless there is really good cause to. He said last night that 2005 had to be a better year for us personally, because 2004 really sucked, right from the start in terms of health issues and family. But he also said that he expected the economy to really be bad in '05. I believe it.
I just don't like to hear people say that that's what we need. There are a whole lot of ramifications of an economic crisis besides getting rid of a shitty administration, as I know you know. No matter how much we want to have people wake the fuck up, an economic crisis is sure a hideous way to achieve it. It scares me silly.
chris/tx - oh I agree with what you are saying. I'm quite worried because Mr. Tena is worried. He doesn't worry unless there is really good cause to. He said last night that 2005 had to be a better year for us personally, because 2004 really sucked, right from the start in terms of health issues and family. But he also said that he expected the economy to really be bad in '05. I believe it.
I just don't like to hear people say that that's what we need. There are a whole lot of ramifications of an economic crisis besides getting rid of a shitty administration, as I know you know. No matter how much we want to have people wake the fuck up, an economic crisis is sure a hideous way to achieve it. It scares me silly.
pseudolus the first ...
Thanks for that. No, the obvious didn't occur to me because it was obvious. But I appreciate what you said and will try anything at this point. Gracias. And Happy New Year.
pseudolus the first ...
Thanks for that. No, the obvious didn't occur to me because it was obvious. But I appreciate what you said and will try anything at this point. Gracias. And Happy New Year.
I am scared as well.
We are all frightened.
And we have going on in Iraq and Cuba as a nation is just a forwarning of what our dysfunctional American conflict oriented government is capable of, and from where they stand, we mean nothing.
Maybe if we are good and lay low and do our best to survive like good children, our big daddy won't turn on us?
I guess that is one way to shelve it for a while....
I am scared as well.
We are all frightened.
And we have going on in Iraq and Cuba as a nation is just a forwarning of what our dysfunctional American conflict oriented government is capable of, and from where they stand, we mean nothing.
Maybe if we are good and lay low and do our best to survive like good children, our big daddy won't turn on us?
I guess that is one way to shelve it for a while....
gottalaff:
first response from google was:
gottalaff:
first response from google was:
"first response from google was:
pseudolus the first"
Does that mean you got nada, or does that mean Haloscan didn't let you finish? See how 'pooter smart I can be? Oy.
"first response from google was:
pseudolus the first"
Does that mean you got nada, or does that mean Haloscan didn't let you finish? See how 'pooter smart I can be? Oy.
damn Haoloscan!!
click me
damn Haoloscan!!
click me
Thanks pseudolus! You rock. Haloscan on the other hand....
Thanks pseudolus! You rock. Haloscan on the other hand....
The above link will take you to a tool that will migrate AOL to Outlook/Express, then Firefox can imprt from there.
The above link will take you to a tool that will migrate AOL to Outlook/Express, then Firefox can imprt from there.
Got it...that should help.
Got it...that should help.
At $25 it may be worth it to you if you have a large address book. Otherwise I would still recommend a good macro tool like Quickeys $49 which you can use in any application to automate repetitive tasks like cutting and pasting (and tons of other stuff). Not recommended if you aren't up to some trial and error work or are computerphobic.
I enjoy it. Sort of like programming without having to learn some arcane language and grammar. Usually you can record your keystrokes while you accomplish some task, then tweak the resulting macro until it works for you.
At $25 it may be worth it to you if you have a large address book. Otherwise I would still recommend a good macro tool like Quickeys $49 which you can use in any application to automate repetitive tasks like cutting and pasting (and tons of other stuff). Not recommended if you aren't up to some trial and error work or are computerphobic.
I enjoy it. Sort of like programming without having to learn some arcane language and grammar. Usually you can record your keystrokes while you accomplish some task, then tweak the resulting macro until it works for you.
pseudolus the first --
You're way too great for words. I'm not phobic, but I'm also not really well-versed. I'm game, though. I've saved what you've recommended, and really and truly appreciate your help. Now if only the Chimp could play that well with strangers.
pseudolus the first --
You're way too great for words. I'm not phobic, but I'm also not really well-versed. I'm game, though. I've saved what you've recommended, and really and truly appreciate your help. Now if only the Chimp could play that well with strangers.
It should be unthinkable that we would be having to debate about officially-sanctioned sadism.
Once again the right poisons the public well. Next thing you know we'll be debating whether slavery is OK in some states.
Dear Senator Feinstein:
In your analysis of this nominee, please remember that the Geneva Conventions were ratified by the United States to state clearly that this country does NOT condone torture of prisoners, as well as to prevent the mistreatment of Americans who are taken prisoner in time of war.
The nomination of Mr. Gonzales is a disgrace and an embarrassment to this country. The moral credibility of our country is at stake.
Please show that you stand for the fundamental principles of civilized people in opposing this nomination.
Sincerely,
It should be unthinkable that we would be having to debate about officially-sanctioned sadism.
Once again the right poisons the public well. Next thing you know we'll be debating whether slavery is OK in some states.
Dear Senator Feinstein:
In your analysis of this nominee, please remember that the Geneva Conventions were ratified by the United States to state clearly that this country does NOT condone torture of prisoners, as well as to prevent the mistreatment of Americans who are taken prisoner in time of war.
The nomination of Mr. Gonzales is a disgrace and an embarrassment to this country. The moral credibility of our country is at stake.
Please show that you stand for the fundamental principles of civilized people in opposing this nomination.
Sincerely,
Pokey,
Yay for us for contacting Feinstein on this. Too bad I still feel powerless. I write, I call, I email to Congress members, the media, you name it. You know, those who supposedly represent us. Yet I feel I have no voice. Ugh.
Pokey,
Yay for us for contacting Feinstein on this. Too bad I still feel powerless. I write, I call, I email to Congress members, the media, you name it. You know, those who supposedly represent us. Yet I feel I have no voice. Ugh.
gottlaff:
Thanks. If you are really game and would like to do some neat stuff with your computer, go ahead and buy the migration tool and then instead of Quickeys for $49 get PowerPro for free.
linkname
This is one awesome tool for customizing Windows. It is so powerful it can intimidate a lot of folks. But, damn! the tricks you can do with it are amazing.
There is a Yahoo forum with lots of smart generous folks who can help you out.
gottlaff:
Thanks. If you are really game and would like to do some neat stuff with your computer, go ahead and buy the migration tool and then instead of Quickeys for $49 get PowerPro for free.
linkname
This is one awesome tool for customizing Windows. It is so powerful it can intimidate a lot of folks. But, damn! the tricks you can do with it are amazing.
There is a Yahoo forum with lots of smart generous folks who can help you out.
Wowsers, pseudolus, thanks again. I'm taking notes, I promise!
Wowsers, pseudolus, thanks again. I'm taking notes, I promise!
pseudolus the first ...
It was a half-hearted defense of Begala. About as phoned in as most of his Crossfire performances. I think Triumph the Insult Dog and Stewart had it right.
Note to self: find clip of Triumph the Insult Dog confronting Begala and Bow-Tie-Guy.
pseudolus the first ...
It was a half-hearted defense of Begala. About as phoned in as most of his Crossfire performances. I think Triumph the Insult Dog and Stewart had it right.
Note to self: find clip of Triumph the Insult Dog confronting Begala and Bow-Tie-Guy.
Bush needs to try harder. He can't let a tsunami beat him in killing people.
Bush needs to try harder. He can't let a tsunami beat him in killing people.
"They don't just accept it, they approve of it."
4legs
I don't agree. People like my older sister just don't have a clue. They are too busy to follow which cup the ball is under. There's the tragedy. Plus, Bushco excels at bait and switch.
Two evil forces coming together at once: the media is fat with profit and too lazy to work. And Bush et al is only too happy to rig every news event.
And then Rush and the slime crew move in to fill the void.
"They don't just accept it, they approve of it."
4legs
I don't agree. People like my older sister just don't have a clue. They are too busy to follow which cup the ball is under. There's the tragedy. Plus, Bushco excels at bait and switch.
Two evil forces coming together at once: the media is fat with profit and too lazy to work. And Bush et al is only too happy to rig every news event.
And then Rush and the slime crew move in to fill the void.
"Two evil forces coming together at once: the media is fat with profit and too lazy to work. And Bush et al is only too happy to rig every news event.
And then Rush and the slime crew move in to fill the void."
If only the media was as honest and clear as your post just was.
"Two evil forces coming together at once: the media is fat with profit and too lazy to work. And Bush et al is only too happy to rig every news event.
And then Rush and the slime crew move in to fill the void."
If only the media was as honest and clear as your post just was.
Happy New Year to all of you. I must relinquish the computer to my son. Hope everyone stays safe and happy...and dry.
Happy New Year to all of you. I must relinquish the computer to my son. Hope everyone stays safe and happy...and dry.
I have never been so depressed and pessimistic heading into a new year except maybe 2000. Jesus, when will this fucking nightmare end? When will all the good little nazis wake up and realize these fucking psychopaths are taking us down the road to ruin just exactly like Hitler did to Germany? There will simply be no undoing the damage this motherfucker has done to the world. If I believed in God I would be praying pretty fucking hard right now.
I have never been so depressed and pessimistic heading into a new year except maybe 2000. Jesus, when will this fucking nightmare end? When will all the good little nazis wake up and realize these fucking psychopaths are taking us down the road to ruin just exactly like Hitler did to Germany? There will simply be no undoing the damage this motherfucker has done to the world. If I believed in God I would be praying pretty fucking hard right now.
It's not that I wish for further disaster in Iraq or the economy, it's that I want to see the Republicans held accountable for any and all disasters that have occurred, or will inevitably occur.
But instead, we get continuing disasters without any accountability - the worst of both worlds.
It's not that I wish for further disaster in Iraq or the economy, it's that I want to see the Republicans held accountable for any and all disasters that have occurred, or will inevitably occur.
But instead, we get continuing disasters without any accountability - the worst of both worlds.
Vinnie:
Hey, in a few centuries none of this will matter.
Sorry, don't mean to minimize your pain. I feel the same way. The let down from 11/2 is still hanging around my head and I need a laugh. I wish I could look into the future and see goodness and light reigning everywhere, but then again I don't want to look.
Vinnie:
Hey, in a few centuries none of this will matter.
Sorry, don't mean to minimize your pain. I feel the same way. The let down from 11/2 is still hanging around my head and I need a laugh. I wish I could look into the future and see goodness and light reigning everywhere, but then again I don't want to look.
President Bush voted for torture, before he voted against it.
President Bush voted for torture, before he voted against it.
New Year's Resolutions:
I AM NOT AFRAID
The bastrds will not keep me down
I will save and not buy.
I will encourage my idoit neighbors* that they should not let The Bush Administration scare them anymore.
I will counter ever lie, respectfully, with the truth.
I will teach the pig to sing.
I AM NOT AFRAID
Happy New Year. Go drink some champagne!
New Year's Resolutions:
I AM NOT AFRAID
The bastrds will not keep me down
I will save and not buy.
I will encourage my idoit neighbors* that they should not let The Bush Administration scare them anymore.
I will counter ever lie, respectfully, with the truth.
I will teach the pig to sing.
I AM NOT AFRAID
Happy New Year. Go drink some champagne!
* I live in fucking Texas and my vote didn't count.
* I live in fucking Texas and my vote didn't count.
Torture is manly to the neocons. Anyone against it is an interrogation girly man
Torture is manly to the neocons. Anyone against it is an interrogation girly man
Who really is John C. Yoo?
Who really is John C. Yoo?
We
're all wearing the electrodes now
We are so screwed.
We
're all wearing the electrodes now
We are so screwed.
Simple enough. GOnzales' torture memo would apply to illegal immigrants.
They are not members of the state they are found in, have no proof of where they came from.
Have Richardson and other Dems ask Fredo Gonzales about toruture in fluent latin language and how Fredo's quaint ruling applied to people of color in other lands.
Simple enough. GOnzales' torture memo would apply to illegal immigrants.
They are not members of the state they are found in, have no proof of where they came from.
Have Richardson and other Dems ask Fredo Gonzales about toruture in fluent latin language and how Fredo's quaint ruling applied to people of color in other lands.
"There will simply be no undoing the damage this motherfucker has done to the world."
very hard to undead the dead; almost as hard to regrow limbs, eyes, or forget 'pain equivalent to organ failure.'
"If I believed in God I would be praying pretty fucking hard right now."
more appropriate would be to asking: 'why have you foresaken us.'
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"There will simply be no undoing the damage this motherfucker has done to the world."
very hard to undead the dead; almost as hard to regrow limbs, eyes, or forget 'pain equivalent to organ failure.'
"If I believed in God I would be praying pretty fucking hard right now."
more appropriate would be to asking: 'why have you foresaken us.'
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We should have a serious discussion about the benefits of cigar burns. Should they be shallow or deep? And do we use Cubanos or cheap domestics?
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We should have a serious discussion about the benefits of cigar burns. Should they be shallow or deep? And do we use Cubanos or cheap domestics?
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Poem 43
George Bush and a grain of salt.
(adapted from a Richard Brautigan poem)
Poem 43
George Bush and a grain of salt.
(adapted from a Richard Brautigan poem)
so what do you say we round them up and hijack them to cuba, guantamano bay to be exact, strip them down, and single file them with masks into a human size chicken coop and tourists, strangers and pacifists get to throw eggs at them and watch them rot in various stages in the sun. no food, no water, masks on...never knowing what is going to hit them next....
video tape it for future posterity...
because left alone without these sicko misers, prosperity will save the day with GAAP, FASB and the international rules of commerce upholding that all goods and services must be reliable or returnable or the biz is closed.
and no one acts like a girlie man nazi ever again...
so what do you say we round them up and hijack them to cuba, guantamano bay to be exact, strip them down, and single file them with masks into a human size chicken coop and tourists, strangers and pacifists get to throw eggs at them and watch them rot in various stages in the sun. no food, no water, masks on...never knowing what is going to hit them next....
video tape it for future posterity...
because left alone without these sicko misers, prosperity will save the day with GAAP, FASB and the international rules of commerce upholding that all goods and services must be reliable or returnable or the biz is closed.
and no one acts like a girlie man nazi ever again...
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