I'MMA LET YOU FINISH

liddddddy!


liddddddy!


GravatarCheck out the latest nonsense from Fox News!

And then there was this one as well.

Enjoy!


GravatarCheck out the latest nonsense from Fox News!

And then there was this one as well.

Enjoy!


GravatarMost probably read about the new torture revelations in the NYT. Hidden in the article is note that A U.S. general admitted he thinks U.S. forces should be tortured.


GravatarMost probably read about the new torture revelations in the NYT. Hidden in the article is note that A U.S. general admitted he thinks U.S. forces should be tortured.


GravatarFrorth!


GravatarFrorth!


GravatarOh, and then there's the fact that Bill O'Reilly was right after all. It seems there really is a War on Christianity, only he got the warriors wrong.


GravatarOh, and then there's the fact that Bill O'Reilly was right after all. It seems there really is a War on Christianity, only he got the warriors wrong.


GravatarBebe:
I heard she resolved to spend 2005 as a celibate.


GravatarBebe:
I heard she resolved to spend 2005 as a celibate.


GravatarRead on Democratic Underground. There was huge send off for the Texas National Guard today. Governor "Good Hair" Perry said "you are heeding the call of your creator"
I guess GWB is now the creator.
It makes me sick


GravatarRead on Democratic Underground. There was huge send off for the Texas National Guard today. Governor "Good Hair" Perry said "you are heeding the call of your creator"
I guess GWB is now the creator.
It makes me sick


GravatarBebe:
I heard she resolved to spend 2005 as a celibate.
flory

That has to be wrong. Half the republican senators depend on her rim jobs and such.


GravatarBebe:
I heard she resolved to spend 2005 as a celibate.
flory

That has to be wrong. Half the republican senators depend on her rim jobs and such.


GravatarPut this at the end of the previous thread, but I believe (He would! Sorry about being so long-winded: it really and truly is an occupational hazard.) that it bears some discussion.

The Danger of Not Understanding

I think Tom’s comment is spot on. The news media sees themselves as part of the government, at least the Republicans in the government. I do not remember them being this acquiescent when the Big Dog was in office. Still, it is a danger than cannot be underestimated. The problem I am perceiving is that instead of being responsible for their failures, the failures are perceived as successes.

When Bush Boy gave Medals of Freedom to the three men who had failed him so miserably, the issue came to the forefront. Instead of criticizing those whose advice has been so wrong, they are praised as American heros. That is not only crazy, it is probably criminal. My fear is that when they finally do admit the truth, the shit will be so deep that it might not be able to be cleared.

Hubris or whatever you want to call it is not a health state of affairs, yet if you removed the administration’s failures, there would be nothing left. Are the people going to wake up at some point and find that their lives have been denigrated forever? I believe that this might be the case, but I fear the opposite. What if the news media will not even report the failure of our government to provide for the people. Where are we then?


GravatarPut this at the end of the previous thread, but I believe (He would! Sorry about being so long-winded: it really and truly is an occupational hazard.) that it bears some discussion.

The Danger of Not Understanding

I think Tom’s comment is spot on. The news media sees themselves as part of the government, at least the Republicans in the government. I do not remember them being this acquiescent when the Big Dog was in office. Still, it is a danger than cannot be underestimated. The problem I am perceiving is that instead of being responsible for their failures, the failures are perceived as successes.

When Bush Boy gave Medals of Freedom to the three men who had failed him so miserably, the issue came to the forefront. Instead of criticizing those whose advice has been so wrong, they are praised as American heros. That is not only crazy, it is probably criminal. My fear is that when they finally do admit the truth, the shit will be so deep that it might not be able to be cleared.

Hubris or whatever you want to call it is not a health state of affairs, yet if you removed the administration’s failures, there would be nothing left. Are the people going to wake up at some point and find that their lives have been denigrated forever? I believe that this might be the case, but I fear the opposite. What if the news media will not even report the failure of our government to provide for the people. Where are we then?


GravatarI guess GWB is now the creator.

Well, sure. Didn't you read the Suskind article?


GravatarI guess GWB is now the creator.

Well, sure. Didn't you read the Suskind article?


GravatarI know it's bad form to use caps, but...

ANDREW SULLIVAN IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
EVIl IDIOTS ALIVE.


GravatarI know it's bad form to use caps, but...

ANDREW SULLIVAN IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST
EVIl IDIOTS ALIVE.


GravatarNow, up2date, all good fundies know that pacifists and conscientious objectors are by definition godless commies - so this couldn't possibly be considered an attack on a 'good' Christian.


GravatarNow, up2date, all good fundies know that pacifists and conscientious objectors are by definition godless commies - so this couldn't possibly be considered an attack on a 'good' Christian.


GravatarLiddy's New Year's resolution is to change her name to Ebeneezer Splooge.


GravatarLiddy's New Year's resolution is to change her name to Ebeneezer Splooge.


GravatarThat has to be wrong. Half the republican senators depend on her rim jobs and such.

Maybe they all better get more friendly with Santorum, eh?


GravatarThat has to be wrong. Half the republican senators depend on her rim jobs and such.

Maybe they all better get more friendly with Santorum, eh?


GravatarUnfortunately, flory is right on the money.

The thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.


GravatarUnfortunately, flory is right on the money.

The thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.


Gravatarflory, I apologize. I should have remembered the difference between good and bad Christians.


Gravatarflory, I apologize. I should have remembered the difference between good and bad Christians.


GravatarThe thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.

Jews killed Jesus! The Rapture!
Uhh... Lake of fire?


GravatarThe thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.

Jews killed Jesus! The Rapture!
Uhh... Lake of fire?


GravatarThe thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.


The've been replaced with the books of "Huey, Dewey, Louie, and Peter Conttontail."


GravatarThe thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.


The've been replaced with the books of "Huey, Dewey, Louie, and Peter Conttontail."


GravatarStranger:
You here?
Reason I ask is, some time yesterday
you posted a link for a mushed up sound
file where you dropped a Charlie
Louvin vocal onto a Nirvana track.

I lost the link and I'm dying to hear
it....please repost!!!!!


GravatarStranger:
You here?
Reason I ask is, some time yesterday
you posted a link for a mushed up sound
file where you dropped a Charlie
Louvin vocal onto a Nirvana track.

I lost the link and I'm dying to hear
it....please repost!!!!!


GravatarThe thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.

As well as the inconvenient bits of the rest of it.


GravatarThe thing about the Fundie shitheads is that they ignore the first four books of the New Testament as much as they can.

As well as the inconvenient bits of the rest of it.


GravatarI am the Creator and the Destroyer.

I am the Uniter and the Divider.

I am the Alpha and the Omega.







Pull my finger. heh.


GravatarI am the Creator and the Destroyer.

I am the Uniter and the Divider.

I am the Alpha and the Omega.







Pull my finger. heh.


GravatarJews killed Jesus! The Rapture!
Uhh... Lake of fire?


Don't forget the all-you-can-eat Tuesdays at Red Lobster.


GravatarJews killed Jesus! The Rapture!
Uhh... Lake of fire?


Don't forget the all-you-can-eat Tuesdays at Red Lobster.


GravatarUp2date:
Understandable - last night was New Years Eve.


GravatarUp2date:
Understandable - last night was New Years Eve.


GravatarDon't forget the all-you-can-eat Tuesdays at Red Lobster.

Mmm... All-you-can-eat Crabture...


GravatarDon't forget the all-you-can-eat Tuesdays at Red Lobster.

Mmm... All-you-can-eat Crabture...


GravatarWatertiger:
The gospel according to Huey? Got any excerpts for us?


GravatarWatertiger:
The gospel according to Huey? Got any excerpts for us?


GravatarPull my finger. heh.

ROTFL!

Can I steal that one?


GravatarPull my finger. heh.

ROTFL!

Can I steal that one?


GravatarBTW:
If I go to sleep and offline and
Stranger shows up here, could
somebody forward this to him?
I'd be your best friend.


Stranger:
You here?
Reason I ask is, some time yesterday
you posted a link for a mushed up sound
file where you dropped a Charlie
Louvin vocal onto a Nirvana track.

I lost the link and I'm dying to hear
it....please repost!!!!!
steve simels | Email | Homepage | 01.01.05 - 11:06 pm | #


GravatarBTW:
If I go to sleep and offline and
Stranger shows up here, could
somebody forward this to him?
I'd be your best friend.


Stranger:
You here?
Reason I ask is, some time yesterday
you posted a link for a mushed up sound
file where you dropped a Charlie
Louvin vocal onto a Nirvana track.

I lost the link and I'm dying to hear
it....please repost!!!!!
steve simels | Email | Homepage | 01.01.05 - 11:06 pm | #


GravatarHave fun.

-Atrios


You're not the boss of me.

Why do you hate us for our freedom to be whiny and miserable???


GravatarHave fun.

-Atrios


You're not the boss of me.

Why do you hate us for our freedom to be whiny and miserable???


GravatarFrom the LA Times article (http://tinyurl.com/6j54f) about Justice Thomas accepting more gifts than any of the other SCJ's

"Soon afterward, Crow invited Thomas to a family campground in East Texas. Roger Connor, a businessman who was at the camp-out, remembers the all-male gathering.

"They were all smoking cigars. It was a very manly Texas thing," Connor said. He said the participants slept in sleeping bags and tents, and that the activities included a greased pig race."

Who had to squeal?


GravatarFrom the LA Times article (http://tinyurl.com/6j54f) about Justice Thomas accepting more gifts than any of the other SCJ's

"Soon afterward, Crow invited Thomas to a family campground in East Texas. Roger Connor, a businessman who was at the camp-out, remembers the all-male gathering.

"They were all smoking cigars. It was a very manly Texas thing," Connor said. He said the participants slept in sleeping bags and tents, and that the activities included a greased pig race."

Who had to squeal?


GravatarRead on Democratic Underground. There was huge send off for the Texas National Guard today. Governor "Good Hair" Perry said "you are heeding the call of your creator"
I guess GWB is now the creator.


Yes indeed he is - the creator of the greatest debacle in American foreign policy since Vietnam which will probably end up completely destablizing one of the most volatile regions in the world.


GravatarRead on Democratic Underground. There was huge send off for the Texas National Guard today. Governor "Good Hair" Perry said "you are heeding the call of your creator"
I guess GWB is now the creator.


Yes indeed he is - the creator of the greatest debacle in American foreign policy since Vietnam which will probably end up completely destablizing one of the most volatile regions in the world.


GravatarSigning off for a bit.

Happy New Year all....again.


GravatarSigning off for a bit.

Happy New Year all....again.


GravatarLink

Seen at W's PERSONAL Christmas Party

"Also spotted, petition gatherer to the stars Nathan Sproul. Bush, it seems, doesn't have much of a problem with the allegations in several states that Sproul's employees misrepresented themselves as nonpartisan during a Republican National Committee voter registration drive and were accused of tossing out registrations from Democrats."


GravatarLink

Seen at W's PERSONAL Christmas Party

"Also spotted, petition gatherer to the stars Nathan Sproul. Bush, it seems, doesn't have much of a problem with the allegations in several states that Sproul's employees misrepresented themselves as nonpartisan during a Republican National Committee voter registration drive and were accused of tossing out registrations from Democrats."


GravatarDon't forget the all-you-can-eat Tuesdays at Red Lobster.

Mmm... All-you-can-eat Crabture...
Eli


And don't forget the "Lobsterita".

You don't suppose Jesus would want to take Red Lobster back with him in the Rapture, would you?


GravatarDon't forget the all-you-can-eat Tuesdays at Red Lobster.

Mmm... All-you-can-eat Crabture...
Eli


And don't forget the "Lobsterita".

You don't suppose Jesus would want to take Red Lobster back with him in the Rapture, would you?


Gravatardef:
ARe you surprised? Sproul's prolly on next years list for Medal of Freedom.


Gravatardef:
ARe you surprised? Sproul's prolly on next years list for Medal of Freedom.


GravatarThe gospel according to Huey?

And Jesus sayeth unto Huey, how is it that you and your waterfowl brethren came unto your manner of dress? And Huey answered, 'Yea, my lord, our maker, your Father, clothed a mouse in short breeches and gauntlets and saw that it was good. And the Lord sayeth unto the people, verily, this is good! May mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.


GravatarThe gospel according to Huey?

And Jesus sayeth unto Huey, how is it that you and your waterfowl brethren came unto your manner of dress? And Huey answered, 'Yea, my lord, our maker, your Father, clothed a mouse in short breeches and gauntlets and saw that it was good. And the Lord sayeth unto the people, verily, this is good! May mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.


Gravatar"Soon afterward, Crow invited Thomas to a family campground in East Texas. Roger Connor, a businessman who was at the camp-out, remembers the all-male gathering."


The article goes on to describe how appreciative the partygoers were that Thomas was so efficient in his valet and drink serving duties.


Gravatar"Soon afterward, Crow invited Thomas to a family campground in East Texas. Roger Connor, a businessman who was at the camp-out, remembers the all-male gathering."


The article goes on to describe how appreciative the partygoers were that Thomas was so efficient in his valet and drink serving duties.


GravatarStinky:
Medium lobster, yes. Red Lobster, no.


GravatarStinky:
Medium lobster, yes. Red Lobster, no.


Gravatar"They were all smoking cigars. It was a very manly Texas thing," Connor said. He said the participants slept in sleeping bags and tents, and that the activities included a greased pig race."


Why do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?


GravatarSpeaking of the Good Book: I've resolved to read the Bible cover to cover but want to gain an understanding of the history/context/interpretations of what I read...I'm not looking for a Cliff notes version/condensation, but rather a guide through it to help me understand it.

Any good books out there to help the Christianity/Religion-challenged like myself get a better grasp on the book?


Gravatar"They were all smoking cigars. It was a very manly Texas thing," Connor said. He said the participants slept in sleeping bags and tents, and that the activities included a greased pig race."


Why do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?


GravatarSpeaking of the Good Book: I've resolved to read the Bible cover to cover but want to gain an understanding of the history/context/interpretations of what I read...I'm not looking for a Cliff notes version/condensation, but rather a guide through it to help me understand it.

Any good books out there to help the Christianity/Religion-challenged like myself get a better grasp on the book?


Gravatar*tip cap to watertiger*


Gravatar*tip cap to watertiger*


GravatarMay mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.

{snort}!!! I was finishing off last nights leftover champagne - now its all up my nose.............


GravatarMay mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.

{snort}!!! I was finishing off last nights leftover champagne - now its all up my nose.............


GravatarI saw Greased Pig Race... and Greased Pig Race 2. Greased Pig Race 2 had more pig-on-pig action.


Gravatardef:
ARe you surprised?


A little. W and Unkle Karl are usaully very careful about keeping folks like Sproul at a deniable arm's length.

Sproul must have photos and wanted payback.... seriously! Why the hell else do you invite someone under investigation to a party with the press present?


GravatarI saw Greased Pig Race... and Greased Pig Race 2. Greased Pig Race 2 had more pig-on-pig action.


Gravatardef:
ARe you surprised?


A little. W and Unkle Karl are usaully very careful about keeping folks like Sproul at a deniable arm's length.

Sproul must have photos and wanted payback.... seriously! Why the hell else do you invite someone under investigation to a party with the press present?


GravatarCol Bat Guano, that story has the five essential elements of horror:

* family campground
* all-male gathering
* cigars
* very manly "Texas thing"
* greased pig race

This proves Justice Thomas is an Illuminatus.


GravatarCol Bat Guano, that story has the five essential elements of horror:

* family campground
* all-male gathering
* cigars
* very manly "Texas thing"
* greased pig race

This proves Justice Thomas is an Illuminatus.


GravatarWhy the hell else do you invite someone under investigation to a party with the press present?

Because this crew is firmly convinced their shit doesn't stink? Remember, the laws are mere guidelines for He Who Must Not Be Questioned.


GravatarWhy the hell else do you invite someone under investigation to a party with the press present?

Because this crew is firmly convinced their shit doesn't stink? Remember, the laws are mere guidelines for He Who Must Not Be Questioned.


Gravatarwatertiger, doth not the gospel say that manna floweth like a river unto a bullion room to serve its master but not thine uncle? For truly no duck may be rich unless he also be a miser and wear spats.


Gravatarwatertiger, doth not the gospel say that manna floweth like a river unto a bullion room to serve its master but not thine uncle? For truly no duck may be rich unless he also be a miser and wear spats.


Gravatar"* family campground
* all-male gathering
* cigars
* very manly "Texas thing"
* greased pig race

This proves Justice Thomas is an Illuminatus"

Or they were trying to recreate Friday the 13th....without the hot teenage girls of course.


Gravatar"* family campground
* all-male gathering
* cigars
* very manly "Texas thing"
* greased pig race

This proves Justice Thomas is an Illuminatus"

Or they were trying to recreate Friday the 13th....without the hot teenage girls of course.


GravatarGood Lord! Our economic policy is based on the Gospel of Huey. That is depressing.


GravatarGood Lord! Our economic policy is based on the Gospel of Huey. That is depressing.


GravatarDid you guys know about all the activities leading up to the electoral college vote this week? I found this at Ohio Election Fraud (Formerly "Fairness"):

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/

I live 30 miles south of DC, and this is the first I've heard about most of this stuff. But then, before the war started, there was a 100,000 person protest on the National Mall and the local media didn't tell us about it.


GravatarDid you guys know about all the activities leading up to the electoral college vote this week? I found this at Ohio Election Fraud (Formerly "Fairness"):

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/

I live 30 miles south of DC, and this is the first I've heard about most of this stuff. But then, before the war started, there was a 100,000 person protest on the National Mall and the local media didn't tell us about it.


GravatarMay mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.

(chortle)

Which put into mind the Python skit "Men who dress as Mice"


GravatarMay mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.

(chortle)

Which put into mind the Python skit "Men who dress as Mice"


Gravatarwatertiger, doth not the gospel say that manna floweth like a river unto a bullion room to serve its master but not thine uncle? For truly no duck may be rich unless he also be a miser and wear spats.


This is starting to sound like Woody Allen's "Without Feathers"! And that's a good thing!


Gravatarwatertiger, doth not the gospel say that manna floweth like a river unto a bullion room to serve its master but not thine uncle? For truly no duck may be rich unless he also be a miser and wear spats.


This is starting to sound like Woody Allen's "Without Feathers"! And that's a good thing!


Gravatar and that the activities included a greased pig race."

Who had to squeal?
Col Bat Guano


Oh, please, let someone have pictures and an Internets connection...


Gravatar and that the activities included a greased pig race."

Who had to squeal?
Col Bat Guano


Oh, please, let someone have pictures and an Internets connection...


GravatarVerily, it is easier for a duck wearing spats to pass thru the eye of a needle than for a mouse to enter the kingdom of heaven.


GravatarVerily, it is easier for a duck wearing spats to pass thru the eye of a needle than for a mouse to enter the kingdom of heaven.


GravatarMay mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.

With white hoods and little wiggly tails?

Or parachutes (since you mentioned Woody Allen)?


GravatarMay mice dress as men and yea, ducks as seamen.

With white hoods and little wiggly tails?

Or parachutes (since you mentioned Woody Allen)?


GravatarVerily, it is easier for a duck wearing spats to pass thru the eye of a needle than for a mouse to enter the kingdom of heaven.


Forsooth, it is better for a mouse to pass through the anus of Strom Thurmond than for a duck in a sailor's uniform to be gazed upon by me.
--Liddy Dole


GravatarVerily, it is easier for a duck wearing spats to pass thru the eye of a needle than for a mouse to enter the kingdom of heaven.


Forsooth, it is better for a mouse to pass through the anus of Strom Thurmond than for a duck in a sailor's uniform to be gazed upon by me.
--Liddy Dole


GravatarForsooth, it is better for a mouse to pass through the anus of Strom Thurmond

Thought that was gerbils........


GravatarForsooth, it is better for a mouse to pass through the anus of Strom Thurmond

Thought that was gerbils........


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?

*sigh*

It's a Texas thing...


...unfortunately.


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?

*sigh*

It's a Texas thing...


...unfortunately.


GravatarA U.S. general admitted he thinks U.S. forces should be tortured.


I'm starting to think that there are a few generals who need to be tortured.



GravatarA U.S. general admitted he thinks U.S. forces should be tortured.


I'm starting to think that there are a few generals who need to be tortured.



GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?

A bunch of guys voluntarily out all night seeping in sleeping bags with no women?

THIS is heterosexual?

Ugh. It's not even homosexual either, apparently.

Poor little piggies.


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?

A bunch of guys voluntarily out all night seeping in sleeping bags with no women?

THIS is heterosexual?

Ugh. It's not even homosexual either, apparently.

Poor little piggies.


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?


Your average gay guy acts straighter than these morons.


GravatarBecause this crew is firmly convinced their shit doesn't stink?

No, because this crew is firmly (and correctly) convinced that it just doesn't make a fucking bit of difference what they do.


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?


Your average gay guy acts straighter than these morons.


GravatarBecause this crew is firmly convinced their shit doesn't stink?

No, because this crew is firmly (and correctly) convinced that it just doesn't make a fucking bit of difference what they do.


GravatarThis proves Justice Thomas is an Illuminatus"

Or they were trying to recreate Friday the 13th....without the hot teenage girls of course.
Col Bat Guano


I wonder... where was Tony "Scales" during all this? I mean, he's really into the group sex scene... wait a minute! Could it be?? The GREASED PIG! IT WAS SCALIA!!!


GravatarThis proves Justice Thomas is an Illuminatus"

Or they were trying to recreate Friday the 13th....without the hot teenage girls of course.
Col Bat Guano


I wonder... where was Tony "Scales" during all this? I mean, he's really into the group sex scene... wait a minute! Could it be?? The GREASED PIG! IT WAS SCALIA!!!


GravatarForsooth, it is better for a mouse to pass through the anus of Strom Thurmond

Thought that was gerbils........


Strom don't care. Give him a rodent, and he'll bunghole for a day.


GravatarForsooth, it is better for a mouse to pass through the anus of Strom Thurmond

Thought that was gerbils........


Strom don't care. Give him a rodent, and he'll bunghole for a day.


GravatarDid Simels just sign off again?

I just read the request for the Charlie Louvin remix links, so I'll post 'em anyway, in case he comes back.

I did two remixes: 'Running Back To Nirvana Mix', and the more serious 'Bone-Rattled Mix' (this one's got some slide guitar that I'm kinda proud of).

They're both remixes of a track Charlie did with The Project. The original is here

This is like phone tag. Steve, hope you're still around.


GravatarDid Simels just sign off again?

I just read the request for the Charlie Louvin remix links, so I'll post 'em anyway, in case he comes back.

I did two remixes: 'Running Back To Nirvana Mix', and the more serious 'Bone-Rattled Mix' (this one's got some slide guitar that I'm kinda proud of).

They're both remixes of a track Charlie did with The Project. The original is here

This is like phone tag. Steve, hope you're still around.


GravatarThe GREASED PIG! IT WAS SCALIA!!!

I think it was *all* of them, actually...


GravatarThe GREASED PIG! IT WAS SCALIA!!!

I think it was *all* of them, actually...


GravatarNo, because this crew is firmly (and correctly) convinced that it just doesn't make a fucking bit of difference what they do.

And, so far, they're right.

May 2005 be the beginning of the end.


GravatarNo, because this crew is firmly (and correctly) convinced that it just doesn't make a fucking bit of difference what they do.

And, so far, they're right.

May 2005 be the beginning of the end.


GravatarWatertiger:

Are you channeling Bebe?


GravatarWatertiger:

Are you channeling Bebe?


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?


Your average gay guy acts straighter than these morons.


watertiger quotes herself! Aiee!


GravatarWhy do these guys have to keep proving to themselves that they're het?


Your average gay guy acts straighter than these morons.


watertiger quotes herself! Aiee!


GravatarWatertiger:

Are you channeling Bebe?


She said she just got a gazillion new channels, so I guess that was one of them. And I thought I had the platinum package...


GravatarWatertiger:

Are you channeling Bebe?


She said she just got a gazillion new channels, so I guess that was one of them. And I thought I had the platinum package...


Gravatarflory,

when bebe goes on hiatus, i feel compelled to step in and pick up the slack.

it's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.


Gravatarflory,

when bebe goes on hiatus, i feel compelled to step in and pick up the slack.

it's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.


GravatarDon't be hettin', Thers.


GravatarDon't be hettin', Thers.


Gravatarwhen bebe goes on hiatus, i feel compelled to step in and pick up the slack.

I hope you're wearing gloves, or at least an inside-out baggie.


Gravatarwhen bebe goes on hiatus, i feel compelled to step in and pick up the slack.

I hope you're wearing gloves, or at least an inside-out baggie.


Gravatarwatertiger quotes herself! Aiee!


sorry, was just using the prior post as a reference.


Gravatarwatertiger quotes herself! Aiee!


sorry, was just using the prior post as a reference.


GravatarEli,

slack is too slippery for gloves. ya gotta use the swiffer.


GravatarEli,

slack is too slippery for gloves. ya gotta use the swiffer.


GravatarWater:
Protection - please tell me you're using protection........


GravatarWater:
Protection - please tell me you're using protection........


GravatarI do declare- nothing gets me more humid than Bob, Strommy and Henry Hyde prancing around in their little sailor suits without the pants..in fact, reading Mallard Fillmore always puts a smile on my face, for the same reason.


GravatarI do declare- nothing gets me more humid than Bob, Strommy and Henry Hyde prancing around in their little sailor suits without the pants..in fact, reading Mallard Fillmore always puts a smile on my face, for the same reason.


GravatarShe said she just got a gazillion new channels, so I guess that was one of them.

and still, nothing on but shit. whatever did happen to James Olson of "Andromeda Strain" fame? I mean, besides "Amityville Horror II"?


GravatarShe said she just got a gazillion new channels, so I guess that was one of them.

and still, nothing on but shit. whatever did happen to James Olson of "Andromeda Strain" fame? I mean, besides "Amityville Horror II"?


GravatarI stand corrected. "Amityville in 3D" is now on.


GravatarI stand corrected. "Amityville in 3D" is now on.


GravatarI stand corrected. "Amityville in 3D" is now on.

Woohoo! Do not pass up Amtiyville Dollhouse, if you get the chance!


GravatarI stand corrected. "Amityville in 3D" is now on.

Woohoo! Do not pass up Amtiyville Dollhouse, if you get the chance!


Gravatarsorry, was just using the prior post as a reference.

Sorry, this shocking breach of comments etiquette has given me the vapors. Ahh! I faint! Someonr bring me a cool wet towel for my, er, manly brow!


Gravatarsorry, was just using the prior post as a reference.

Sorry, this shocking breach of comments etiquette has given me the vapors. Ahh! I faint! Someonr bring me a cool wet towel for my, er, manly brow!


GravatarMore on Liddy; check out the URL in Homepage


GravatarMore on Liddy; check out the URL in Homepage


GravatarYou folks are a hoot.

Ya know what I really want to hear about? (like you care) This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment.

Hangover stories, no show cab drivers to exit the drunks from your house. Champaign dreams, etc.

I want stats.


GravatarYou folks are a hoot.

Ya know what I really want to hear about? (like you care) This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment.

Hangover stories, no show cab drivers to exit the drunks from your house. Champaign dreams, etc.

I want stats.


GravatarHold up. It's the "gremlins" episode of the Twilight Zone with Billy Shatner.


GravatarHold up. It's the "gremlins" episode of the Twilight Zone with Billy Shatner.


GravatarThers?

I believe Sen. Mrs. Sen Dole has some smellin' salts for ya'll.


GravatarThers?

I believe Sen. Mrs. Sen Dole has some smellin' salts for ya'll.


GravatarHey, for $50,000, you can get yer kitty cloned! What's next? Will some enterprizing Mad Scientist obtain a bunch of Hollywood DNA samples and start offering StarClones™ of the Past & Present?
But what if something goes wrong? What if the samples get mixed up? An unsuspecting customer would end up with...
Woody Allen Funt!

There's gotta be a million of those, but that's the only one I can think of.


GravatarHey, for $50,000, you can get yer kitty cloned! What's next? Will some enterprizing Mad Scientist obtain a bunch of Hollywood DNA samples and start offering StarClones™ of the Past & Present?
But what if something goes wrong? What if the samples get mixed up? An unsuspecting customer would end up with...
Woody Allen Funt!

There's gotta be a million of those, but that's the only one I can think of.


GravatarHeh. Amityville Horror.

When I was signed to Warner's and we were writing songs for the record, the label flew a guy in from Arkansas to write songs with us. Upon getting smashed, we asked him what NY landmark he'd like to see. He said he wanted to see the Amityville Horror house.

We tried telling him that it was only a house, but he insisted. Weird.


GravatarHeh. Amityville Horror.

When I was signed to Warner's and we were writing songs for the record, the label flew a guy in from Arkansas to write songs with us. Upon getting smashed, we asked him what NY landmark he'd like to see. He said he wanted to see the Amityville Horror house.

We tried telling him that it was only a house, but he insisted. Weird.


Gravatarwatertiger, you'll have a tough time toppin bebe's Teriary-period sex organ comment. I'm still laughin.


Gravatarwatertiger, you'll have a tough time toppin bebe's Teriary-period sex organ comment. I'm still laughin.


GravatarSorry, this shocking breach of comments etiquette has given me the vapors.


I'm so ashamed.










not.


GravatarSorry, this shocking breach of comments etiquette has given me the vapors.


I'm so ashamed.










not.


Gravatarthats tertiary. sorry


Gravatarthats tertiary. sorry


GravatarWhat is a Pitt?


GravatarWhat is a Pitt?


GravatarIs that like a small grit?


GravatarIs that like a small grit?


GravatarWhat is a Pitt?



OOoo.I know.

I'll take Brads for a thousand,Alex?


GravatarWhat is a Pitt?



OOoo.I know.

I'll take Brads for a thousand,Alex?


GravatarShhhhh

Bebe's back. Don't let him know what Water's been up to...


GravatarShhhhh

Bebe's back. Don't let him know what Water's been up to...


GravatarBut what if something goes wrong? What if the samples get mixed up? An unsuspecting customer would end up with...
Woody Allen Funt!

There's gotta be a million of those, but that's the only one I can think of.


A friend of mine had a really good baseball one, but you have to be enough of a fanatic to remember players from the late 80s/early 90s...

*ahem*

Ken Griffey Junior Felix Jose Canseco.


GravatarBut what if something goes wrong? What if the samples get mixed up? An unsuspecting customer would end up with...
Woody Allen Funt!

There's gotta be a million of those, but that's the only one I can think of.


A friend of mine had a really good baseball one, but you have to be enough of a fanatic to remember players from the late 80s/early 90s...

*ahem*

Ken Griffey Junior Felix Jose Canseco.


Gravatarbebe,

You seem tuned into the throbbing heart of Liddy and the goings on in DC. We want the dirt.


Gravatarbebe,

You seem tuned into the throbbing heart of Liddy and the goings on in DC. We want the dirt.


GravatarAnd for the record: yes I was greased- no Miracle Whip for manly Texas men- but I resent being described as a "pig". I'm going to have to get the whip and pay Clarence a visit. mmmmmm...coca colaaaa...


GravatarAnd for the record: yes I was greased- no Miracle Whip for manly Texas men- but I resent being described as a "pig". I'm going to have to get the whip and pay Clarence a visit. mmmmmm...coca colaaaa...


Gravatar This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment.


bigvic, the only bad New Year's Eve moment I had was, actually, today when I stood with five other adults conversing about what we'd done the night before, and I realized that I had managed to stay up longer than any of them.

I was asleep at 11.45 or thereabouts.

Now, if you want to go back a coupla decades, I could share some truly bad NYE moments. I could, but I won't.


Gravatar This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment.


bigvic, the only bad New Year's Eve moment I had was, actually, today when I stood with five other adults conversing about what we'd done the night before, and I realized that I had managed to stay up longer than any of them.

I was asleep at 11.45 or thereabouts.

Now, if you want to go back a coupla decades, I could share some truly bad NYE moments. I could, but I won't.


GravatarDamn,finally conme up with an appropiate snark response,and nary a snicker.


GravatarDamn,finally conme up with an appropiate snark response,and nary a snicker.


Gravatarsmalfish:
Snicker

Snicker.

Peace.


Gravatarsmalfish:
Snicker

Snicker.

Peace.


GravatarAlas,the world for a snicker(s bar).


GravatarAlas,the world for a snicker(s bar).


GravatarAnd for the record: yes I was greased- no Miracle Whip for manly Texas men- but I resent being described as a "pig".


...an explosion of Bebe wanna be's


GravatarAnd for the record: yes I was greased- no Miracle Whip for manly Texas men- but I resent being described as a "pig".


...an explosion of Bebe wanna be's


GravatarYou seem tuned into the throbbing heart of Liddy and the goings on in DC. We want the dirt.
bigvic


She has a liver the size of a football. She has a stigmata on her hand that Strom liked to lick. And she can fart Jesu Joy of Man's Desire.


GravatarYou seem tuned into the throbbing heart of Liddy and the goings on in DC. We want the dirt.
bigvic


She has a liver the size of a football. She has a stigmata on her hand that Strom liked to lick. And she can fart Jesu Joy of Man's Desire.


GravatarBunker,

I had a very staid NYE, unlike most of my guests. I can relate. I was all for beddy-bye at 11:00

Oy. I'm up for past messes, though. Makes me feel virtuous. Heh.


GravatarBunker,

I had a very staid NYE, unlike most of my guests. I can relate. I was all for beddy-bye at 11:00

Oy. I'm up for past messes, though. Makes me feel virtuous. Heh.


GravatarWorst NYE moment ever -

I got an invite to the first MTV New Year's Eve party. Elvis Costello, David Johannsen, buncha other acts, open bar...

We hit the open bar, and I threw back a lot of whiskey. We then retired to the crowd to watch Johannsen, and someone in the crowd had a huge joint going. I took two hits and turned into your average teetering on the edge of getting really sick New Year's Eve dork.

My girlfriend realized what was going on and steered me toward the exit. We got to the top of the stairs, where I promptly threw up on some poor girl's feet.

I was out of there and hurling into the gutter by about 10:30. Oh, the shame...

Now that I'm old and wiser and don't get invited to hip parties any more, NYE is largely uneventful.


GravatarWorst NYE moment ever -

I got an invite to the first MTV New Year's Eve party. Elvis Costello, David Johannsen, buncha other acts, open bar...

We hit the open bar, and I threw back a lot of whiskey. We then retired to the crowd to watch Johannsen, and someone in the crowd had a huge joint going. I took two hits and turned into your average teetering on the edge of getting really sick New Year's Eve dork.

My girlfriend realized what was going on and steered me toward the exit. We got to the top of the stairs, where I promptly threw up on some poor girl's feet.

I was out of there and hurling into the gutter by about 10:30. Oh, the shame...

Now that I'm old and wiser and don't get invited to hip parties any more, NYE is largely uneventful.


GravatarAnd it was worth a snicker or two smallfish


GravatarAnd it was worth a snicker or two smallfish


GravatarDamn,am I in a pissy mood.

Did anyone else catch Bowling for Colombine tonite on one of the movie channels?

It was the first timje I had seen it.How utterly depressing it is to know how long this cultural war has been going on with me being in the dark.I find myself woonderiung how I could be so blind and ignorant,and yes,uncarinig.


The end of the world is neigh upon us,and all I can do is mourn for my own ignorance.


Gravatarbebe,

You are responsible for changing my adult diaper.

I'm GWB, and I approve of this hilarity.


GravatarDamn,am I in a pissy mood.

Did anyone else catch Bowling for Colombine tonite on one of the movie channels?

It was the first timje I had seen it.How utterly depressing it is to know how long this cultural war has been going on with me being in the dark.I find myself woonderiung how I could be so blind and ignorant,and yes,uncarinig.


The end of the world is neigh upon us,and all I can do is mourn for my own ignorance.


Gravatarbebe,

You are responsible for changing my adult diaper.

I'm GWB, and I approve of this hilarity.


GravatarThe only NYEs that were even remotely eventful were the ones in mobbed, public NYE-havin' places. Once in Times Square 'cause one of my upstate high school friends had always wanted to do that, and it was awful, and once in Leicester Square or Piccadilly Circus when I was ten. It was a crush, but it was festive and happy.


GravatarThe only NYEs that were even remotely eventful were the ones in mobbed, public NYE-havin' places. Once in Times Square 'cause one of my upstate high school friends had always wanted to do that, and it was awful, and once in Leicester Square or Piccadilly Circus when I was ten. It was a crush, but it was festive and happy.


GravatarStranger,

Dude! We are off to a good start.


GravatarStranger,

Dude! We are off to a good start.


GravatarDoes nobody here remember a NYE that they don't remember?


GravatarDoes nobody here remember a NYE that they don't remember?


GravatarHas anybody else seen this site yet? I just found it on the Barenaked Ladies' blog.

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/


GravatarHas anybody else seen this site yet? I just found it on the Barenaked Ladies' blog.

http://www.fuckthesouth.com/


GravatarYa know what I really want to hear about? (like you care) This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment.
Not exactly bad, but....came down with a Vicious cold yesterday morning, picked up another couple as per plan and drove them to Madison for a party at a friend's blues bar. They had been going through some bumpy spots, but were enthused about NYE so I couldn't see cancelling. My ears filled up during the night and I couldn't hear half of anything, but the band was fun and my friends were having a great time so I just plastered a grin on my face and nodded at whatever was said to me, and managed to hold on long enough for them to call it quits.


GravatarYa know what I really want to hear about? (like you care) This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment.
Not exactly bad, but....came down with a Vicious cold yesterday morning, picked up another couple as per plan and drove them to Madison for a party at a friend's blues bar. They had been going through some bumpy spots, but were enthused about NYE so I couldn't see cancelling. My ears filled up during the night and I couldn't hear half of anything, but the band was fun and my friends were having a great time so I just plastered a grin on my face and nodded at whatever was said to me, and managed to hold on long enough for them to call it quits.


Gravatarbigvic -

Glad you enjoyed it. And I'm so happy to have unburdened myself.

I really felt bad for that poor girl. Open-toed shoes, yanno.


Gravatarbigvic -

Glad you enjoyed it. And I'm so happy to have unburdened myself.

I really felt bad for that poor girl. Open-toed shoes, yanno.


GravatarDoes nobody here remember a NYE that they don't remember?

I played in NYC one NYE, and got so completely poop-faced that I woke up the next morning and couldn't for the life of me figure out how the hell I got home.

Turns out i drove. Skeery.


GravatarDoes nobody here remember a NYE that they don't remember?

I played in NYC one NYE, and got so completely poop-faced that I woke up the next morning and couldn't for the life of me figure out how the hell I got home.

Turns out i drove. Skeery.


Gravatarstranger,

BOO-YAH!


Gravatarstranger,

BOO-YAH!


GravatarStranger:
Been there.


GravatarStranger:
Been there.


GravatarFirst time I got rip-roaring drunk, 3 years ago (age 20). Did shots of rye. Hit on everyone in sight. Cried. Fell over more than once. Promised to dedicate my first book to a guy I don't remember. Hubby still laughs about it. Don't much like rye anymore.


GravatarFirst time I got rip-roaring drunk, 3 years ago (age 20). Did shots of rye. Hit on everyone in sight. Cried. Fell over more than once. Promised to dedicate my first book to a guy I don't remember. Hubby still laughs about it. Don't much like rye anymore.


GravatarI am ashamed to admitt this, but one NYE I thought a friend drove me home, only to see my car in the driveway. OY!!!


GravatarI am ashamed to admitt this, but one NYE I thought a friend drove me home, only to see my car in the driveway. OY!!!


Gravatarno, there's only one bebe, the real Boswell to her "Johnson", or Time magazine to her "Bush", I just play at it sometimes...Sen Mrs Sen Dole

I don't have any weird New Year's stories...all my mindbending (and later, stomach wrenching) alcoholic/otherwise moments just happen at things like class reunions.


Gravatarno, there's only one bebe, the real Boswell to her "Johnson", or Time magazine to her "Bush", I just play at it sometimes...Sen Mrs Sen Dole

I don't have any weird New Year's stories...all my mindbending (and later, stomach wrenching) alcoholic/otherwise moments just happen at things like class reunions.


GravatarEli,

Sweety, you need to go to "normal" parties to get the true flavor of crazy Amurika.


GravatarEli,

Sweety, you need to go to "normal" parties to get the true flavor of crazy Amurika.


GravatarStranger: Also been there.

Woke up parked on the street, in a whole 'nother state than the one I remembered passing out in, one morning. Scared the crap out of me, fortunately.


GravatarStranger: Also been there.

Woke up parked on the street, in a whole 'nother state than the one I remembered passing out in, one morning. Scared the crap out of me, fortunately.


Gravatarbigvic -

Shame for shame. Good trade.

Charlotte - sounds like a fun night! I can relate - I can't even stand the smell of whiskey any more.


Gravatarbigvic -

Shame for shame. Good trade.

Charlotte - sounds like a fun night! I can relate - I can't even stand the smell of whiskey any more.


GravatarSweety, you need to go to "normal" parties to get the true flavor of crazy Amurika.

I don't know any normal people.

Thankfully.


GravatarSweety, you need to go to "normal" parties to get the true flavor of crazy Amurika.

I don't know any normal people.

Thankfully.


GravatarBesides, I don't drink, so how much trouble could I really get into?


GravatarBesides, I don't drink, so how much trouble could I really get into?


GravatarNick,

I don't have any weird New Year's stories...

You just aren't trying hard enough.

Think, man, think!


GravatarNick,

I don't have any weird New Year's stories...

You just aren't trying hard enough.

Think, man, think!


GravatarStranger, for fuck's sake, next time call me and I'll come and pick you up. I understand a lot of stupid drunken behavior. I woke up in the hospital one morning; once during a pretty wild party I kissed my best friend's boyfriend (she was going to dump him anyway, but I didn't know that at the time). I know a guy who woke up naked in a tree. But the thing about getting in the car shitfaced is, the law of karmic payback says you're going to hit some 16-year-old homecoming queen on the first day she got her license, and then, dude, your life is OVER, not to mention hers. You will be the asshole who killed the homecoming queen for the rest of your natural life.

I say this out of love: Do. Not. Drive. Drunk.

A.


GravatarStranger, for fuck's sake, next time call me and I'll come and pick you up. I understand a lot of stupid drunken behavior. I woke up in the hospital one morning; once during a pretty wild party I kissed my best friend's boyfriend (she was going to dump him anyway, but I didn't know that at the time). I know a guy who woke up naked in a tree. But the thing about getting in the car shitfaced is, the law of karmic payback says you're going to hit some 16-year-old homecoming queen on the first day she got her license, and then, dude, your life is OVER, not to mention hers. You will be the asshole who killed the homecoming queen for the rest of your natural life.

I say this out of love: Do. Not. Drive. Drunk.

A.


Gravatar"Ya know what I really want to hear about? (like you care) This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment."

I tried to match Eli on puns last night/early morn. I failed badly. It must be the worst NYE I have ever had.


Gravatar"Ya know what I really want to hear about? (like you care) This is NYD and surely somebody had a bad New Year's Eve moment."

I tried to match Eli on puns last night/early morn. I failed badly. It must be the worst NYE I have ever had.


GravatarHm. Just watched Monster, and am now reading up on the real story, and my birthday has come up twice now...


GravatarHm. Just watched Monster, and am now reading up on the real story, and my birthday has come up twice now...


GravatarEli,

Actually, you would have found a safe heaven at the bigvic house. Fully half of our guests don't drink.

The bitch of it was, the non drinkers and moderate drinkers had a sloppy crew on their hands. Oh, the cabs! Oh, the sleepover guests!


GravatarEli,

Actually, you would have found a safe heaven at the bigvic house. Fully half of our guests don't drink.

The bitch of it was, the non drinkers and moderate drinkers had a sloppy crew on their hands. Oh, the cabs! Oh, the sleepover guests!


GravatarI tried to match Eli on puns last night/early morn. I failed badly. It must be the worst NYE I have ever had.

You must have had a *lot* of really good NYEs, if that's your low-water mark...


GravatarI tried to match Eli on puns last night/early morn. I failed badly. It must be the worst NYE I have ever had.

You must have had a *lot* of really good NYEs, if that's your low-water mark...


GravatarActually, you would have found a safe heaven at the bigvic house. Fully half of our guests don't drink.

The shame of it is, I don't drive *either*.


GravatarActually, you would have found a safe heaven at the bigvic house. Fully half of our guests don't drink.

The shame of it is, I don't drive *either*.


GravatarEli,

You watching the movie Charlise Ther?? (I can't spell) got an academy award for?


GravatarEli,

You watching the movie Charlise Ther?? (I can't spell) got an academy award for?


GravatarAthenae,

Thanks for the concern (and I'm not being facetious - I truly appreciate it). But all of these stories are from back when I was living the dopey Rock And Roll Lifestyle.

I wouldn't dare do any of it today. I do know those who weren't as blind lucky as me and had horrible accidents.

I look back at some of this stuff and I'm amazed at two things - how lucky I was, and how much of an asshole I was.

I still rock out, but I limit myself to a few beers nowadays. A lot more boring, but there's nothing sadder than an old man acting like Axl Rose.


GravatarAthenae,

Thanks for the concern (and I'm not being facetious - I truly appreciate it). But all of these stories are from back when I was living the dopey Rock And Roll Lifestyle.

I wouldn't dare do any of it today. I do know those who weren't as blind lucky as me and had horrible accidents.

I look back at some of this stuff and I'm amazed at two things - how lucky I was, and how much of an asshole I was.

I still rock out, but I limit myself to a few beers nowadays. A lot more boring, but there's nothing sadder than an old man acting like Axl Rose.


Gravatarbigvic: one New Year's is trying to come back to me, but I must have killed too many of those particular brain cells.

I could tell you about the Y2K eve I spent playing board games with a group of married & sober friends, but then I'd have to kill myself. (after we watched the Times Square thing, I headed "home" to the nearest bar, which helped a lot)


Gravatarbigvic: one New Year's is trying to come back to me, but I must have killed too many of those particular brain cells.

I could tell you about the Y2K eve I spent playing board games with a group of married & sober friends, but then I'd have to kill myself. (after we watched the Times Square thing, I headed "home" to the nearest bar, which helped a lot)


GravatarI got really drunk one New Years' and woke up to find I'd posted a pun on Eschaton.


GravatarI got really drunk one New Years' and woke up to find I'd posted a pun on Eschaton.


Gravatar(Charlize Theron)

Finished watching. Very bleak, and she looked like several miles of bad road. And acted like a swaggery redneck asshole guy. Assuming that was what Wuornos was like, she did an excellent job. Lady had *issues*, and the movie barely scratches the surface...


Gravatar(Charlize Theron)

Finished watching. Very bleak, and she looked like several miles of bad road. And acted like a swaggery redneck asshole guy. Assuming that was what Wuornos was like, she did an excellent job. Lady had *issues*, and the movie barely scratches the surface...


GravatarEli:
Pretty depressing movie to start the year with...........


GravatarEli:
Pretty depressing movie to start the year with...........


GravatarI could tell you about the Y2K eve I spent playing board games with a group of married & sober friends, but then I'd have to kill myself.

I forgot about that one. I spent NY2KE at work, supporting a business unit I didn't even work for anymore, because I was the only expert on one of the systems (24-hour operation). Nothing happened, I basically just chilled at my desk, playing MP3s on my personal laptop, which I believe was running Linux at the time...


GravatarI could tell you about the Y2K eve I spent playing board games with a group of married & sober friends, but then I'd have to kill myself.

I forgot about that one. I spent NY2KE at work, supporting a business unit I didn't even work for anymore, because I was the only expert on one of the systems (24-hour operation). Nothing happened, I basically just chilled at my desk, playing MP3s on my personal laptop, which I believe was running Linux at the time...


GravatarI say this out of love: Do. Not. Drive. Drunk.

A.


A, I hear ya. Not gonna happen on my watch. I did some horrible drunk driving shit when I was in college. I never considered the damage I was capable of causing.

One of those "By the grace of god.." moments for me.

Nevermore!


GravatarI say this out of love: Do. Not. Drive. Drunk.

A.


A, I hear ya. Not gonna happen on my watch. I did some horrible drunk driving shit when I was in college. I never considered the damage I was capable of causing.

One of those "By the grace of god.." moments for me.

Nevermore!


GravatarPretty depressing movie to start the year with...........

True, true. But it should give me the strength to keep my resolution not to take up prostitution or murder.


GravatarPretty depressing movie to start the year with...........

True, true. But it should give me the strength to keep my resolution not to take up prostitution or murder.


GravatarTwenty five years ago, in NYC and my first taste of eggnog. Harmless, frothy stuff, or so I thought.
I do not know how I got back across town to my apartment, but the strange thing is I do vaguely remember stopping in a bar for a nightcap!


GravatarTwenty five years ago, in NYC and my first taste of eggnog. Harmless, frothy stuff, or so I thought.
I do not know how I got back across town to my apartment, but the strange thing is I do vaguely remember stopping in a bar for a nightcap!


GravatarI was asleep by 9:30. (Not by choice. Wifey couldn't wake me)

The restaurant biz is exhausting.


GravatarI was asleep by 9:30. (Not by choice. Wifey couldn't wake me)

The restaurant biz is exhausting.


GravatarAnyone remember the SNL Weekend Update when Norm McDonald announced that the previous year's winner, Crack Whore, had been eclipsed as the worst job in America? The new winner: Assistant Crack Whore.


GravatarAnyone remember the SNL Weekend Update when Norm McDonald announced that the previous year's winner, Crack Whore, had been eclipsed as the worst job in America? The new winner: Assistant Crack Whore.


GravatarEli

heh, just thought I would gouge you a bit.


GravatarEli

heh, just thought I would gouge you a bit.


GravatarAs long as we're exploring the Ghost of New Years Past...
There was a 12 in snow the day before New Year with more falling. The plows couldn't keep up, so I cross-country skied across the small town where I lived to a local bar having a NYE party. Woke up the next morning on the floor at a friend's house a few blocks from the bar, still wearing the skis...


GravatarAs long as we're exploring the Ghost of New Years Past...
There was a 12 in snow the day before New Year with more falling. The plows couldn't keep up, so I cross-country skied across the small town where I lived to a local bar having a NYE party. Woke up the next morning on the floor at a friend's house a few blocks from the bar, still wearing the skis...


GravatarTrue, true. But it should give me the strength to keep my resolution not to take up prostitution or murder

Jeebus, I do commend your grit and determination......


GravatarTrue, true. But it should give me the strength to keep my resolution not to take up prostitution or murder

Jeebus, I do commend your grit and determination......


GravatarWoke up the next morning on the floor at a friend's house a few blocks from the bar, still wearing the skis...

I'm imagining you walking into the house, drunk, on skis.


GravatarWoke up the next morning on the floor at a friend's house a few blocks from the bar, still wearing the skis...

I'm imagining you walking into the house, drunk, on skis.


Gravatarheh, just thought I would gouge you a bit.

Okay. My conscience (such as it is) is eased a bit.


Gravatarheh, just thought I would gouge you a bit.

Okay. My conscience (such as it is) is eased a bit.


GravatarJeebus, I do commend your grit and determination......

Saying no to prostitution and murder is hard. It's hard work!

But if I can't be stronger than my preznit, what use am I?


GravatarJeebus, I do commend your grit and determination......

Saying no to prostitution and murder is hard. It's hard work!

But if I can't be stronger than my preznit, what use am I?


GravatarMean drunk Mother in San Antonio
Brother in Del Rio
I had to work at 5:30am the next day
At 8:00pm, she decided to party in Del Rio. 3 hours away and 3 hours back.
I ended up agreeing because the fight was getting nasty.
I was ticked, stayed sober and played driver for them as they clubbed. The brother and sister in law kept pushing at me for being a party pooper. Made it back, made it to work and hated every single minute.

That was the worst NYE.


GravatarMean drunk Mother in San Antonio
Brother in Del Rio
I had to work at 5:30am the next day
At 8:00pm, she decided to party in Del Rio. 3 hours away and 3 hours back.
I ended up agreeing because the fight was getting nasty.
I was ticked, stayed sober and played driver for them as they clubbed. The brother and sister in law kept pushing at me for being a party pooper. Made it back, made it to work and hated every single minute.

That was the worst NYE.


GravatarSaying no to prostitution and murder is hard. It's hard work!

Just out of curiousity - what are you doing to replace the lost income?

Your preznit has family money, so its no comparison.


GravatarSaying no to prostitution and murder is hard. It's hard work!

Just out of curiousity - what are you doing to replace the lost income?

Your preznit has family money, so its no comparison.


GravatarOhjeez. I just realized. When 4LG (I think; or maybe watertiger?) was talking about her wingnut brother saying Kerry wouldn't work as hard as Bush if he was elected, that was why. Holy shit, people actually *bought* that "hard work" bullshit.

My God, we truly are a nation of idiots.


GravatarOhjeez. I just realized. When 4LG (I think; or maybe watertiger?) was talking about her wingnut brother saying Kerry wouldn't work as hard as Bush if he was elected, that was why. Holy shit, people actually *bought* that "hard work" bullshit.

My God, we truly are a nation of idiots.


GravatarECT:

that's up there in the hall of fame of all time lousy NYE. And what a truly shitty way to start the year.


GravatarECT:

that's up there in the hall of fame of all time lousy NYE. And what a truly shitty way to start the year.


GravatarYikes!

One of the reasons the bigvic family has the the NYE party is that we have plenty of bed and sofas.

Also, we don't want to be on the road with rank ammetures


GravatarYikes!

One of the reasons the bigvic family has the the NYE party is that we have plenty of bed and sofas.

Also, we don't want to be on the road with rank ammetures


GravatarJust out of curiousity - what are you doing to replace the lost income?

I have a job, I'm okay. I just need to steel myself to resist the siren call of supplemental (and tax-free!) income.

Mmm... supplemental tax-free income...


GravatarJust out of curiousity - what are you doing to replace the lost income?

I have a job, I'm okay. I just need to steel myself to resist the siren call of supplemental (and tax-free!) income.

Mmm... supplemental tax-free income...


GravatarI just need to steel myself to resist the siren call of supplemental (and tax-free!) income.

Or you could go work for Halliburton.


GravatarI just need to steel myself to resist the siren call of supplemental (and tax-free!) income.

Or you could go work for Halliburton.


GravatarOr you could go work for Halliburton.

No, trying not to be an accessory either. Or a john.


GravatarOr you could go work for Halliburton.

No, trying not to be an accessory either. Or a john.


GravatarEkCenTriK; that would have made a bad Thursday, June 4th. It is an award-winningly bad NYE. Me, I woulda bailed & left 'em all there in el Rushbo's favorite town. You're a better man than I.


GravatarEkCenTriK; that would have made a bad Thursday, June 4th. It is an award-winningly bad NYE. Me, I woulda bailed & left 'em all there in el Rushbo's favorite town. You're a better man than I.


GravatarNo, trying not to be an accessory either. Or a john.

Hmmm. That must make "F&ck you" Cheney a pimp, eh?


GravatarNo, trying not to be an accessory either. Or a john.

Hmmm. That must make "F&ck you" Cheney a pimp, eh?


GravatarI'm imagining you walking into the house, drunk, on skis.
I found out later that I had put holes in the carpet with the poles....


GravatarI'm imagining you walking into the house, drunk, on skis.
I found out later that I had put holes in the carpet with the poles....


Gravatari can tell you my BEST nye!!!

it was nye 99/00!!!

i was in tokyo for an acoustic invitation-only pizzicato five concert @ bunkamura cocoon!!!
& everyone in the audience was given sake @ midnight!!!
& it became more of a party than a concert & i will remember it forever & ever!!!
in fact, here's the pictures!


Gravatari can tell you my BEST nye!!!

it was nye 99/00!!!

i was in tokyo for an acoustic invitation-only pizzicato five concert @ bunkamura cocoon!!!
& everyone in the audience was given sake @ midnight!!!
& it became more of a party than a concert & i will remember it forever & ever!!!
in fact, here's the pictures!


GravatarHmmm. That must make "F&ck you" Cheney a pimp, eh?

Oh, I wish. I would just love to see him sneering around in a long white fur coat and fancy walking stick, and maybe some platform shoes with goldfish in the heels...


GravatarHmmm. That must make "F&ck you" Cheney a pimp, eh?

Oh, I wish. I would just love to see him sneering around in a long white fur coat and fancy walking stick, and maybe some platform shoes with goldfish in the heels...


GravatarUh, uh.....crushed purple velvet.


GravatarUh, uh.....crushed purple velvet.


GravatarDoozer among Fraggles

Those were just rotten times in the family then. Things like that compelled me to go out and be my own person. Served me well.


GravatarDoozer among Fraggles

Those were just rotten times in the family then. Things like that compelled me to go out and be my own person. Served me well.


GravatarThat works too. Just so long as he's pimpin' *hard*.


GravatarThat works too. Just so long as he's pimpin' *hard*.


GravatarOh to have some photoshop skills.........


GravatarOh to have some photoshop skills.........


GravatarOh to have some photoshop skills.........

I'm sure someone out there does...


GravatarOh to have some photoshop skills.........

I'm sure someone out there does...


Gravatar(maybe they can show him with his arm thrown possessively around W. in a skimpy red leather mini...)


Gravatar(maybe they can show him with his arm thrown possessively around W. in a skimpy red leather mini...)


GravatarWell kids, its been a hoot. But its now after 10pm here on the left coast. Which means all good librul boys 'n girls gotta go to bed.

Night all.

{Jeebus, am I old or what?}


GravatarWell kids, its been a hoot. But its now after 10pm here on the left coast. Which means all good librul boys 'n girls gotta go to bed.

Night all.

{Jeebus, am I old or what?}


GravatarAssuming that was what Wuornos was like, she did an excellent job.

Grand Rapids ~ gotta love it. That story was big news for months when it happened. The nursing home is now closed; you can find Michigan tumbleweeds growing through the cracks in the concrete of what was once the parking lot. It still creeps me out when I drive by that place.

bigvic, regarding NYE, I've got a million of them. Last night, much to my surprise, I ran into an ex-boyfriend. Thought he'd be whooping it up on the west coast, but he was here to visit family. It was nice to see him, he's a good guy. But the facts remain: he never had kids, and he was lukewarm on the stepfather issue. Still is. And the bottom line: I personally can't go back to a situation where someone could not accept all of me (including my daughter) for the sake of his "freedom." Or whatever his illusive butterfly happens to be. Anyway, made for an interesting evening.


GravatarAssuming that was what Wuornos was like, she did an excellent job.

Grand Rapids ~ gotta love it. That story was big news for months when it happened. The nursing home is now closed; you can find Michigan tumbleweeds growing through the cracks in the concrete of what was once the parking lot. It still creeps me out when I drive by that place.

bigvic, regarding NYE, I've got a million of them. Last night, much to my surprise, I ran into an ex-boyfriend. Thought he'd be whooping it up on the west coast, but he was here to visit family. It was nice to see him, he's a good guy. But the facts remain: he never had kids, and he was lukewarm on the stepfather issue. Still is. And the bottom line: I personally can't go back to a situation where someone could not accept all of me (including my daughter) for the sake of his "freedom." Or whatever his illusive butterfly happens to be. Anyway, made for an interesting evening.


Gravatar(maybe they can show him with his arm thrown possessively around W. in a skimpy red leather mini...)

Now there's a fine visual to send me off to bed with......


Gravatar(maybe they can show him with his arm thrown possessively around W. in a skimpy red leather mini...)

Now there's a fine visual to send me off to bed with......


GravatarThe wife just tossed her worst NYE in the ring.

When she was a teen-ager her parents took her to a party at her father's CO's house. When driving in they came across the biggest skunk she had seen. He ambled off no big deal. At midnight, the CO just had to go out and fire off a few rounds on his pistol (wife said it was something big). Seems the skunk was part of a family living in the back yard. They all let go after the CO let go. The scent just took over the house. The party was called very quickly.


GravatarThe wife just tossed her worst NYE in the ring.

When she was a teen-ager her parents took her to a party at her father's CO's house. When driving in they came across the biggest skunk she had seen. He ambled off no big deal. At midnight, the CO just had to go out and fire off a few rounds on his pistol (wife said it was something big). Seems the skunk was part of a family living in the back yard. They all let go after the CO let go. The scent just took over the house. The party was called very quickly.


GravatarDang. I'm on the, um, right coast and still going strong...


GravatarDang. I'm on the, um, right coast and still going strong...


GravatarWell, not *right* on it. I'm not in NYC anymore, sigh.


GravatarWell, not *right* on it. I'm not in NYC anymore, sigh.


GravatarPleasant dreams, flory!


GravatarPleasant dreams, flory!


GravatarBoy Howdy!

I have heard it here and heard it among my friends.

If it where'nt for smart, snappy people, I'd lose hope in the humanity of our republic and in the idealism of our founders.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Nite, dear ones.

Peace.


GravatarBoy Howdy!

I have heard it here and heard it among my friends.

If it where'nt for smart, snappy people, I'd lose hope in the humanity of our republic and in the idealism of our founders.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Nite, dear ones.

Peace.


GravatarWhy do I have this feeling that Ek just summoned bebe?


GravatarWhy do I have this feeling that Ek just summoned bebe?


GravatarEli, I don't know about bebe, but I sat back and read that and went ..oh no!.


GravatarEli, I don't know about bebe, but I sat back and read that and went ..oh no!.


GravatarWell nite folks, back to the real world. Wherever that is. I have dithered about here all day ignoring the news and unfortunate events. It was nice. Y'all have a good one.


GravatarWell nite folks, back to the real world. Wherever that is. I have dithered about here all day ignoring the news and unfortunate events. It was nice. Y'all have a good one.


Gravatar'Night, vic.

I'm glad we can get on these threads and laugh. Life would indeed be much darker without the opportunity.

Might be back later. I'm gonna run down to the studio and see if inspiration takes hold...


Gravatar'Night, vic.

I'm glad we can get on these threads and laugh. Life would indeed be much darker without the opportunity.

Might be back later. I'm gonna run down to the studio and see if inspiration takes hold...


GravatarNight, vic 'n' Ek!

Hellooooo???

*crickets*


GravatarNight, vic 'n' Ek!

Hellooooo???

*crickets*


GravatarI remember one NYE where I passed out early. When I woke the next morning, Richard Nixon was coating my nether region with STP, Strom was passed out straddling a rubber mongoose, and a young Donald Rumsfeld was passed out in his own vomit.
-Liddy Dole


GravatarI remember one NYE where I passed out early. When I woke the next morning, Richard Nixon was coating my nether region with STP, Strom was passed out straddling a rubber mongoose, and a young Donald Rumsfeld was passed out in his own vomit.
-Liddy Dole


GravatarWha????!!! What'd I say? I join the par-tay and you all hit the hay?

*sniff


GravatarWha????!!! What'd I say? I join the par-tay and you all hit the hay?

*sniff


GravatarHey, I'm still here! Or maybe that's the problem...


GravatarHey, I'm still here! Or maybe that's the problem...


GravatarNot hitting hay just yet, Vicki. I'll be in the studio - where I keep a browser window open on the studio machine.

So I'm here, just... multitasking. Yeah, that's it.


GravatarNot hitting hay just yet, Vicki. I'll be in the studio - where I keep a browser window open on the studio machine.

So I'm here, just... multitasking. Yeah, that's it.


GravatarDon't fret Vicki. We still have the ferret and some scotch.


GravatarDon't fret Vicki. We still have the ferret and some scotch.


GravatarSomehow scotch and ferrets sounds like a really bad combination...


GravatarSomehow scotch and ferrets sounds like a really bad combination...


GravatarKeep the ferret away from me ~ I have marching orders from Athenae that the ferret is for good, not evil.


GravatarKeep the ferret away from me ~ I have marching orders from Athenae that the ferret is for good, not evil.


Gravatarstranger, not trying to yell at you. Just concerned.

I got a kickass drunk dial from some friends last night who were all partying together and screaming Happy New Year and "We love you!" into the phone. Cracked me up and made me cry at the same time.

A.


Gravatarstranger, not trying to yell at you. Just concerned.

I got a kickass drunk dial from some friends last night who were all partying together and screaming Happy New Year and "We love you!" into the phone. Cracked me up and made me cry at the same time.

A.


GravatarI woke up realizing I was having a dream where I was explaining to a bartender that Gandhi was a vegetarian barefoot religious leader who ate a lot of garlic and was a
"super calloused fragile mystic hexed by hallitosis."

Damn. These blogs become part of your unconscious fiber. There's no way I ever could have remembered that in my waking life if I'd tried.


GravatarI woke up realizing I was having a dream where I was explaining to a bartender that Gandhi was a vegetarian barefoot religious leader who ate a lot of garlic and was a
"super calloused fragile mystic hexed by hallitosis."

Damn. These blogs become part of your unconscious fiber. There's no way I ever could have remembered that in my waking life if I'd tried.


GravatarFerrets don't kill people... People kill people. With ferrets.


GravatarFerrets don't kill people... People kill people. With ferrets.


GravatarHowever, I think Liddy Dole should share her encounter with the ferret and a jar of Miracle Whip. As I remember, the furry little devil weasled his way into her left fallopian tube.


GravatarHowever, I think Liddy Dole should share her encounter with the ferret and a jar of Miracle Whip. As I remember, the furry little devil weasled his way into her left fallopian tube.


GravatarWell, all's ferret in love and war.


GravatarWell, all's ferret in love and war.


GravatarI got a ferret story!

Back when I was single, I shared a house with a couple of other guys. The one guy worked in a bank, nice guy, hard worker - but every Friday, he'd head out to Queens and come back home with a joint of angel dust, which he would smoke in his bedroom with the door closed.

He had two ferrets. Which he kept in his room, while he smoked his weekly angel dust joint.

One night he decided to let them out after smoking up. Imagine two dusted ferrets wandering through the living room. One of them must have imagined my leg as a steak or a big piece of ferret food, and grabbed a hold and sank his tooth into my sneaker.

I was forced to drop-kick the little bastard across the room. From that point on, we made the guy keep his damn ferrets in the cage.


GravatarI got a ferret story!

Back when I was single, I shared a house with a couple of other guys. The one guy worked in a bank, nice guy, hard worker - but every Friday, he'd head out to Queens and come back home with a joint of angel dust, which he would smoke in his bedroom with the door closed.

He had two ferrets. Which he kept in his room, while he smoked his weekly angel dust joint.

One night he decided to let them out after smoking up. Imagine two dusted ferrets wandering through the living room. One of them must have imagined my leg as a steak or a big piece of ferret food, and grabbed a hold and sank his tooth into my sneaker.

I was forced to drop-kick the little bastard across the room. From that point on, we made the guy keep his damn ferrets in the cage.


GravatarThat's even worse than ferrets and scotch...


GravatarThat's even worse than ferrets and scotch...


Gravatar(I think there was a blaxpo movie about ferrets on PCP - Avenging Disco Godferret, I believe)


Gravatar(I think there was a blaxpo movie about ferrets on PCP - Avenging Disco Godferret, I believe)


GravatarAthenae -

It's cool. Thanks so much for caring.

I'm a real good boy compared to who I used to be. Used to be a right bastard who wouldn't listen to anybody. The wild thing is I know people who are just like that, and I can't tell them anything.

I see me in them, and realize I'm probably lucky to be alive at this point.


GravatarAthenae -

It's cool. Thanks so much for caring.

I'm a real good boy compared to who I used to be. Used to be a right bastard who wouldn't listen to anybody. The wild thing is I know people who are just like that, and I can't tell them anything.

I see me in them, and realize I'm probably lucky to be alive at this point.


GravatarI got a kickass drunk dial from some friends last night who were all partying together and screaming Happy New Year and "We love you!" into the phone.

Wow! Pretty cool, even if they were a little under the bubbly! You'll remember that for a while!

I received a call, too, at 3:00 AM! This friend of mine, who is a lesbian, will call me when she is drunk professing to me that she loves me and that she is "interested"... When she's sober, I never hear a peep.

I'm not gay. I think it's just because she is horny. And drunk. Nonetheless, I don't know whether to laugh or cry when she calls...

Last night was weird. Unrequited love all around.


GravatarI got a kickass drunk dial from some friends last night who were all partying together and screaming Happy New Year and "We love you!" into the phone.

Wow! Pretty cool, even if they were a little under the bubbly! You'll remember that for a while!

I received a call, too, at 3:00 AM! This friend of mine, who is a lesbian, will call me when she is drunk professing to me that she loves me and that she is "interested"... When she's sober, I never hear a peep.

I'm not gay. I think it's just because she is horny. And drunk. Nonetheless, I don't know whether to laugh or cry when she calls...

Last night was weird. Unrequited love all around.


GravatarStories like that are the reason people look at me cross-eyed when we tell them we have the little critters.

I think it's just that they're so zen, people assume we must be getting high and watching them squirrel around.

And Vicki's right, they are exclusively for troll-guarding and petting, not for the Dark Arts.

A.


GravatarStories like that are the reason people look at me cross-eyed when we tell them we have the little critters.

I think it's just that they're so zen, people assume we must be getting high and watching them squirrel around.

And Vicki's right, they are exclusively for troll-guarding and petting, not for the Dark Arts.

A.


GravatarIs there ferretnip?


GravatarIs there ferretnip?


Gravatarstranger,

that's quite a story! Poor little thing. Did he survive the punt?


Gravatarstranger,

that's quite a story! Poor little thing. Did he survive the punt?


GravatarThe ferrets were actually pretty cool before they started taking the drugs.

Ferrets + dust = psycho ferrets from hell.


GravatarThe ferrets were actually pretty cool before they started taking the drugs.

Ferrets + dust = psycho ferrets from hell.


GravatarKee-rist its hard to actually leave one of these threads....

Athenae, since I didn't say it on First Draft, I'll tell you now the 'Brotherly Love Edition' is one of the all time cutest critter-blogging moments on record.

Now, I *am* going to bed.

Nite all.


GravatarKee-rist its hard to actually leave one of these threads....

Athenae, since I didn't say it on First Draft, I'll tell you now the 'Brotherly Love Edition' is one of the all time cutest critter-blogging moments on record.

Now, I *am* going to bed.

Nite all.


GravatarVicki,

I swear he got up and sneered at me. He was unhurt - I din't really kick him - just shook him off my leg with extreme prejudice, if you will.


GravatarVicki,

I swear he got up and sneered at me. He was unhurt - I din't really kick him - just shook him off my leg with extreme prejudice, if you will.


GravatarY'all probably know this, but Michigan lost to Texas by 1 point in the last 2 seconds of the game.

The thought that Michigan lost to Texas pissed me off all over again. Seriously. I evolved into a funk about the next four years, and then gave myself a good, old Foghorn Leghorn talk to kick my ass out of it.

I hate Bush.


GravatarY'all probably know this, but Michigan lost to Texas by 1 point in the last 2 seconds of the game.

The thought that Michigan lost to Texas pissed me off all over again. Seriously. I evolved into a funk about the next four years, and then gave myself a good, old Foghorn Leghorn talk to kick my ass out of it.

I hate Bush.


GravatarUltimate football player name - Dusty Magnum!

I didn't see the game - I was busy watching the Knicks lose to the Nets. Damn cross-river rivalry...


GravatarUltimate football player name - Dusty Magnum!

I didn't see the game - I was busy watching the Knicks lose to the Nets. Damn cross-river rivalry...


GravatarAt least it wasn't, say, Boston College that they beat, Vicki. Although the Michigan coach actually looks a lot like Kerry, now that I think of it. He's a total jerk, though.


GravatarAt least it wasn't, say, Boston College that they beat, Vicki. Although the Michigan coach actually looks a lot like Kerry, now that I think of it. He's a total jerk, though.


GravatarCorrection Dusty Mangum

It was an awesome game. Loved (almost) every minute. Every agonizing minute.


GravatarCorrection Dusty Mangum

It was an awesome game. Loved (almost) every minute. Every agonizing minute.


GravatarI think it's Dusty Mangum, actually, which is considerably less... porn-star.


GravatarI think it's Dusty Mangum, actually, which is considerably less... porn-star.


GravatarO(ferret)T, but if anyone wants to hear a great song (IMHO) check out "Somewhere in Time" on the Los Lobos album The Ride. The song is originally by Dave Alvin and Los Lobos' cover includes Alvin on vocal. It is just haunting...


GravatarO(ferret)T, but if anyone wants to hear a great song (IMHO) check out "Somewhere in Time" on the Los Lobos album The Ride. The song is originally by Dave Alvin and Los Lobos' cover includes Alvin on vocal. It is just haunting...


GravatarWhen I see "includes Alvin on vocal", I imagine something else entirely. And it ain't haunting.


GravatarWhen I see "includes Alvin on vocal", I imagine something else entirely. And it ain't haunting.


GravatarMangum? Oh...

That's what I get for reading too fast.


GravatarMangum? Oh...

That's what I get for reading too fast.


GravatarWhen I see "includes Alvin on vocal", I imagine something else entirely. And it ain't haunting.
Eli


Ha Ha Ha! "Christmas, Christmas..."


GravatarWhen I see "includes Alvin on vocal", I imagine something else entirely. And it ain't haunting.
Eli


Ha Ha Ha! "Christmas, Christmas..."


GravatarWhen I see "includes Alvin on vocal", I imagine something else entirely. And it ain't haunting.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 1:51 am | #


Eli. I looked at your homepage. It has that "I just bought a digital camera and now I'm into obscure arty photography" quality to it.

You might want to check out this magagine.


GravatarWhen I see "includes Alvin on vocal", I imagine something else entirely. And it ain't haunting.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 1:51 am | #


Eli. I looked at your homepage. It has that "I just bought a digital camera and now I'm into obscure arty photography" quality to it.

You might want to check out this magagine.


GravatarOh my. I just saw that Garden State Life commercial with Jan and Mickey Rooney. I never noticed this before, but when Mickey's in the background washing the dishes while she's talking, he's actually *pantomiming* the whole thing. No water, and nothing in his hands.

Very, very weird. Is he showing off? Did they not have enough budget for dishes or water?


GravatarOh my. I just saw that Garden State Life commercial with Jan and Mickey Rooney. I never noticed this before, but when Mickey's in the background washing the dishes while she's talking, he's actually *pantomiming* the whole thing. No water, and nothing in his hands.

Very, very weird. Is he showing off? Did they not have enough budget for dishes or water?


GravatarEli. I looked at your homepage. It has that "I just bought a digital camera and now I'm into obscure arty photography" quality to it.

I think you've got it backwards. The obscure arty photography precedes the digital camera by several years.


GravatarEli. I looked at your homepage. It has that "I just bought a digital camera and now I'm into obscure arty photography" quality to it.

I think you've got it backwards. The obscure arty photography precedes the digital camera by several years.


GravatarI think you've got it backwards. The obscure arty photography precedes the digital camera by several years.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 1:57 am | #




GravatarI think you've got it backwards. The obscure arty photography precedes the digital camera by several years.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 1:57 am | #




GravatarHa Ha Ha! "Christmas, Christmas..."

I have an mp3 somewhere of a Chipmunks song slowed back down to actual speed. Pretty unsettling, really.


GravatarHa Ha Ha! "Christmas, Christmas..."

I have an mp3 somewhere of a Chipmunks song slowed back down to actual speed. Pretty unsettling, really.


GravatarI think you've got it backwards. The obscure arty photography precedes the digital camera by several years.


Lets try that again.

You'd probably like this site.

I often do their "weekly assignments". It's pretty fun.


GravatarI think you've got it backwards. The obscure arty photography precedes the digital camera by several years.


Lets try that again.

You'd probably like this site.

I often do their "weekly assignments". It's pretty fun.


GravatarState of the art, those Chipmunks.

Off to bed. Have fun.


GravatarState of the art, those Chipmunks.

Off to bed. Have fun.


GravatarYou'd probably like this site.

I often do their "weekly assignments". It's pretty fun.


Very cool. First I need to get a *real* camera that just happens to be digital. Right now I just have a glorified instamatic. I need an SLR, with control over focus, aperture and shutter, just like the old days.


GravatarYou'd probably like this site.

I often do their "weekly assignments". It's pretty fun.


Very cool. First I need to get a *real* camera that just happens to be digital. Right now I just have a glorified instamatic. I need an SLR, with control over focus, aperture and shutter, just like the old days.


GravatarIs there chipnip?


GravatarIs there chipnip?


GravatarI need an SLR, with control over focus, aperture and shutter, just like the old days.


You can get a D70 or a Digital Rebel now for under 1000 bucks.

The D70 is an awsome camera.


GravatarI need an SLR, with control over focus, aperture and shutter, just like the old days.


You can get a D70 or a Digital Rebel now for under 1000 bucks.

The D70 is an awsome camera.


GravatarYou can get a D70 or a Digital Rebel now for under 1000 bucks.

The D70 is an awsome camera.


Yep, I know. But "under 1000 bucks" is not exactly my price range, especially since I know I'm not going to be spending a ton of time taking pictures.


GravatarYou can get a D70 or a Digital Rebel now for under 1000 bucks.

The D70 is an awsome camera.


Yep, I know. But "under 1000 bucks" is not exactly my price range, especially since I know I'm not going to be spending a ton of time taking pictures.


GravatarYep, I know. But "under 1000 bucks" is not exactly my price range, especially since I know I'm not going to be spending a ton of time taking pictures.


I skimp on computer equipment to buy lenses. That's why I have this cheap HP Pavilion. The extra money went into a fast portrait lens. I keep hoping to take photos of small concerts etc. but most places in NYC ban photography.


GravatarYep, I know. But "under 1000 bucks" is not exactly my price range, especially since I know I'm not going to be spending a ton of time taking pictures.


I skimp on computer equipment to buy lenses. That's why I have this cheap HP Pavilion. The extra money went into a fast portrait lens. I keep hoping to take photos of small concerts etc. but most places in NYC ban photography.


GravatarMy priorities are pretty much the opposite. I know I'm realistically get more value out of a PC or laptop than a camera, so I just can't justify spending that kind of money on a camera. So the price has to either come down to $300-400, or something has to happen so that $1000 looks about as big to me as $300-4000 does now.

I'm also hoping I'd be able to get some kind of adapter so I could use my old lenses, even if they are a little beat-up.


GravatarMy priorities are pretty much the opposite. I know I'm realistically get more value out of a PC or laptop than a camera, so I just can't justify spending that kind of money on a camera. So the price has to either come down to $300-400, or something has to happen so that $1000 looks about as big to me as $300-4000 does now.

I'm also hoping I'd be able to get some kind of adapter so I could use my old lenses, even if they are a little beat-up.


GravatarIn other words, I'm a cheapskate dabbler.


GravatarIn other words, I'm a cheapskate dabbler.


GravatarWell think about it this way. I took over 1000 photos with my D70 this Christmas, all with no flash and a fast lens. I printed up about 100 8 x 10s for various relatives and friends.

How much would film have cost to do that?

If you buy a D70 it's a big initial investment but if you take a lot of photos it's cheap in the end.


GravatarWell think about it this way. I took over 1000 photos with my D70 this Christmas, all with no flash and a fast lens. I printed up about 100 8 x 10s for various relatives and friends.

How much would film have cost to do that?

If you buy a D70 it's a big initial investment but if you take a lot of photos it's cheap in the end.


GravatarWell, the question is, how much would I use the D70? I *think* i'd use it more than my old digicam because it would be a real camera, but I don't know if I'd use it enough to justify the expense.

There's a certain point where my lust for the sweet camera will probably overwhelm my restraint and common sense, but I haven't reached it yet.


GravatarWell, the question is, how much would I use the D70? I *think* i'd use it more than my old digicam because it would be a real camera, but I don't know if I'd use it enough to justify the expense.

There's a certain point where my lust for the sweet camera will probably overwhelm my restraint and common sense, but I haven't reached it yet.


GravatarMy priorities are pretty much the opposite. I know I'm realistically get more value out of a PC or laptop than a camera,

Speaking of PCs, I went out yesterday and bought a 39.95 Radeon 7000 video card for my desktop and I'm really surprised at how much better my performance is.

I'm almost pissed that my laptop has integrated video memory and I can't upgrade it.

That was a very good 40 bucks. It makes me wonder what one of those 500 dollard video cards would be like.


GravatarMy priorities are pretty much the opposite. I know I'm realistically get more value out of a PC or laptop than a camera,

Speaking of PCs, I went out yesterday and bought a 39.95 Radeon 7000 video card for my desktop and I'm really surprised at how much better my performance is.

I'm almost pissed that my laptop has integrated video memory and I can't upgrade it.

That was a very good 40 bucks. It makes me wonder what one of those 500 dollard video cards would be like.


GravatarSweet. I made sure to get a laptop with a very good video card (for the time, at least) for precisely that reason.


GravatarSweet. I made sure to get a laptop with a very good video card (for the time, at least) for precisely that reason.


Gravatar(of course, my previous laptop couldn't even play mah-jongg in 3D mode, so maybe I overcompensated...)


Gravatar(of course, my previous laptop couldn't even play mah-jongg in 3D mode, so maybe I overcompensated...)


GravatarSweet. I made sure to get a laptop with a very good video card (for the time, at least) for precisely that reason.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 2:24 am | #



I have this monster 8 pound Thinkpad G40. Takes up my whole backpack. It has a normal P-IV not a Centrino. It has integrated video. But it's so durable that if you dropped a MOAB on it it wouldn't stop running.

What would be your deam light/small laptop (if you had unlimited $$$)?


GravatarSweet. I made sure to get a laptop with a very good video card (for the time, at least) for precisely that reason.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 2:24 am | #



I have this monster 8 pound Thinkpad G40. Takes up my whole backpack. It has a normal P-IV not a Centrino. It has integrated video. But it's so durable that if you dropped a MOAB on it it wouldn't stop running.

What would be your deam light/small laptop (if you had unlimited $$$)?


GravatarI'm not sure I can answer that question. I evaluate laptops on performance rather than weight. And whether they have that little trackball thingy. So my ideal would probably be some version of the Dell XPS (their Extreme Gamer laptop).

My laptop's a P4 Inspiron 8200, and I think it weighs the same as yours.


GravatarI'm not sure I can answer that question. I evaluate laptops on performance rather than weight. And whether they have that little trackball thingy. So my ideal would probably be some version of the Dell XPS (their Extreme Gamer laptop).

My laptop's a P4 Inspiron 8200, and I think it weighs the same as yours.


Gravatar(XPS appears to weigh *9* pounds...)


Gravatar(XPS appears to weigh *9* pounds...)


GravatarI like the big keyboard on the G40. I've got big hands. It's very natural and easy to type on. I even like the little pointing stick in the middle.

But God this thing is huge. And unlike yours, it's sluggish. Of course it will be running fine long after your Dell has died.


GravatarI like the big keyboard on the G40. I've got big hands. It's very natural and easy to type on. I even like the little pointing stick in the middle.

But God this thing is huge. And unlike yours, it's sluggish. Of course it will be running fine long after your Dell has died.


GravatarIt's acutually 7.7 pounds.


GravatarIt's acutually 7.7 pounds.


Gravatardedominator -

Hey, that is a fantastic song. Thanks for reminding me, I've been meaning to get that Los Lobos CD. Some great players including Richard Thompson, Elvis Costello and Bobby Womack also contribute.


Gravatardedominator -

Hey, that is a fantastic song. Thanks for reminding me, I've been meaning to get that Los Lobos CD. Some great players including Richard Thompson, Elvis Costello and Bobby Womack also contribute.


GravatarYou know, maybe I can put a Radeon mobility in this thing.


GravatarYou know, maybe I can put a Radeon mobility in this thing.


GravatarOf course it will be running fine long after your Dell has died.

I'm sure I'll have upgraded before then.


GravatarOf course it will be running fine long after your Dell has died.

I'm sure I'll have upgraded before then.


GravatarSome great players including Richard Thompson

Have you ever heard Fairport Convention's version of "Percy's Song"?


GravatarSome great players including Richard Thompson

Have you ever heard Fairport Convention's version of "Percy's Song"?


GravatarYou know, maybe I can put a Radeon mobility in this thing.

How?


GravatarYou know, maybe I can put a Radeon mobility in this thing.

How?


GravatarOhjeez. I just realized. When 4LG (I think; or maybe watertiger?) was talking about her wingnut brother saying Kerry wouldn't work as hard as Bush if he was elected, that was why. Holy shit, people actually *bought* that "hard work" bullshit.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but that was me, and that's my brother. He said he was afraid Kerry would "retire to his yacht." I almost threw up.


GravatarOhjeez. I just realized. When 4LG (I think; or maybe watertiger?) was talking about her wingnut brother saying Kerry wouldn't work as hard as Bush if he was elected, that was why. Holy shit, people actually *bought* that "hard work" bullshit.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but that was me, and that's my brother. He said he was afraid Kerry would "retire to his yacht." I almost threw up.


GravatarI dunno. Some of the G40s have integrated video, some have video cards.


GravatarI dunno. Some of the G40s have integrated video, some have video cards.


GravatarI dunno. Some of the G40s have integrated video, some have video cards.

Yes, but how would you actually *do* it? I think you'd have to void the warranty nine ways to Sunday to even get at the video card, and even then there's no guarantee that there would be a compatible slot for the ATI card.


GravatarI dunno. Some of the G40s have integrated video, some have video cards.

Yes, but how would you actually *do* it? I think you'd have to void the warranty nine ways to Sunday to even get at the video card, and even then there's no guarantee that there would be a compatible slot for the ATI card.


GravatarIt's out of warranty and I'd send it out anyway.


GravatarIt's out of warranty and I'd send it out anyway.


GravatarI'm ashamed to admit it, but that was me, and that's my brother. He said he was afraid Kerry would "retire to his yacht." I almost threw up.

Kinda wish you had, really...
It's like they're living in an entirely different reality from us, which of course they are.

(almost spelled that "raelity" - Tom - Daai Tou Laam would have approved...)


GravatarI'm ashamed to admit it, but that was me, and that's my brother. He said he was afraid Kerry would "retire to his yacht." I almost threw up.

Kinda wish you had, really...
It's like they're living in an entirely different reality from us, which of course they are.

(almost spelled that "raelity" - Tom - Daai Tou Laam would have approved...)


GravatarSpeaking of cameras, I'm thinking of buying a digital SLR. I can't decide if I should go with a Nikon or with a Canon. Then again, I really like my digital Olympus, so I'll probably check their SLR out too.

I think SWR is right, you can spend a fortune on film learning on a regular SLR.

If you want to just fool around, several of the smaller digitals have a lot of feaures. The prices have come way down as well.

Anyone have any recommendations on a SLR?


GravatarSpeaking of cameras, I'm thinking of buying a digital SLR. I can't decide if I should go with a Nikon or with a Canon. Then again, I really like my digital Olympus, so I'll probably check their SLR out too.

I think SWR is right, you can spend a fortune on film learning on a regular SLR.

If you want to just fool around, several of the smaller digitals have a lot of feaures. The prices have come way down as well.

Anyone have any recommendations on a SLR?


GravatarHave you ever heard Fairport Convention's version of "Percy's Song"?

Haven't heard that tune. My favorite Richard Thompson album is the one he recorded with his wife, Linda, which sort of chronicled their breakup, called Shoot out the Lights. It's almost as good as Dylan's Blood on the Tracks.

I guess a bad breakup is the artist's muse...


GravatarHave you ever heard Fairport Convention's version of "Percy's Song"?

Haven't heard that tune. My favorite Richard Thompson album is the one he recorded with his wife, Linda, which sort of chronicled their breakup, called Shoot out the Lights. It's almost as good as Dylan's Blood on the Tracks.

I guess a bad breakup is the artist's muse...


GravatarIt's out of warranty and I'd send it out anyway.

Could work, then. I thought you were going to do it yourself, which seemed a bit foolhardy.


GravatarIt's out of warranty and I'd send it out anyway.

Could work, then. I thought you were going to do it yourself, which seemed a bit foolhardy.


GravatarAnyone have any recommendations on a SLR?
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 2:47 am | #



It depends. If you want to spend a little over 1000 bucks, go for the d70.

If you have a bit more $$$, go for the 20D.


GravatarAnyone have any recommendations on a SLR?
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 2:47 am | #



It depends. If you want to spend a little over 1000 bucks, go for the d70.

If you have a bit more $$$, go for the 20D.


GravatarKinda wish you had, really...
It's like they're living in an entirely different reality from us, which of course they are.


I've given up fighting with my family. I figure my brother will get it back in spades when his oldest daughter gets drafted to serve in chimpy's next war.


GravatarKinda wish you had, really...
It's like they're living in an entirely different reality from us, which of course they are.


I've given up fighting with my family. I figure my brother will get it back in spades when his oldest daughter gets drafted to serve in chimpy's next war.


GravatarI'll defer to Digital SWR on digital SLRs. I think EOS is cheaper, but D70 is better, but that's about as deep as I go.


GravatarI'll defer to Digital SWR on digital SLRs. I think EOS is cheaper, but D70 is better, but that's about as deep as I go.


GravatarDo you know anything about the Olympus? Most of the people I work with use a Canon and are happy with it.

I don't think I need something super fancy.


GravatarDo you know anything about the Olympus? Most of the people I work with use a Canon and are happy with it.

I don't think I need something super fancy.


GravatarHaven't heard that tune.

Go to iTunes and download it.

Amazing soaring lyrical guitar line dualing with Sandy Denny's voice.

I actualy tend to think Bob Dylan does his own songs better than anybody else.

But this version is just poetic.


GravatarHaven't heard that tune.

Go to iTunes and download it.

Amazing soaring lyrical guitar line dualing with Sandy Denny's voice.

I actualy tend to think Bob Dylan does his own songs better than anybody else.

But this version is just poetic.


GravatarI figure my brother will get it back in spades when his oldest daughter gets drafted to serve in chimpy's next war.

Or his current one...
(of course, *any* additional war will be considered part of the current one anyway)


GravatarI figure my brother will get it back in spades when his oldest daughter gets drafted to serve in chimpy's next war.

Or his current one...
(of course, *any* additional war will be considered part of the current one anyway)


GravatarI don't think I need something super fancy.
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 2:51 am | #


I had a Digital Rebel until I accidentally destroyed it.

Great camera.

But the d70 is even better.

Haven't used a 20D.


GravatarI don't think I need something super fancy.
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 2:51 am | #


I had a Digital Rebel until I accidentally destroyed it.

Great camera.

But the d70 is even better.

Haven't used a 20D.


GravatarEli - you have a good eye!


GravatarEli - you have a good eye!


GravatarThanks, mag! Hope it's not too fishy...


GravatarThanks, mag! Hope it's not too fishy...


Gravatarha! good one. you have been flirting with the desire for a BIG digital for weeks. Go for it!


Gravatarha! good one. you have been flirting with the desire for a BIG digital for weeks. Go for it!


GravatarMore like months, if not years. I am patient as the grave...


GravatarMore like months, if not years. I am patient as the grave...


Gravatari'd love a bid D series or Canon but shit, they cost more than most cars I have owned. Even with an excuse (I'm a publisher!) I can't bring myself to shell out so much when I have 3 decent consumer nikon digitals at the business.


Gravatari'd love a bid D series or Canon but shit, they cost more than most cars I have owned. Even with an excuse (I'm a publisher!) I can't bring myself to shell out so much when I have 3 decent consumer nikon digitals at the business.


GravatarNow that's BIG digital.


GravatarNow that's BIG digital.


GravatarSWR- we should cook up a new ad campaign for Nikon, make $$ and buy monster cameras.
"Now that's BIG digital - by Nikon!"


GravatarSWR- we should cook up a new ad campaign for Nikon, make $$ and buy monster cameras.
"Now that's BIG digital - by Nikon!"


GravatarNikon seems to be falling behind Canon. But I like my d70. It's severe overkill for 99% of the population.

Of course this is even BIGGER DIGITAL


GravatarNikon seems to be falling behind Canon. But I like my d70. It's severe overkill for 99% of the population.

Of course this is even BIGGER DIGITAL


GravatarYoicks. I like how 4 megapixels is the *lowest* quality setting.

I don't crave megapixels the same way I crave gigahertz, since I don't really think about actually printing anything, and certainly not in enormous sizes. 2-3 megapixels is probably enough for me, I just want the Camera Experience.


GravatarMercy!


GravatarYoicks. I like how 4 megapixels is the *lowest* quality setting.

I don't crave megapixels the same way I crave gigahertz, since I don't really think about actually printing anything, and certainly not in enormous sizes. 2-3 megapixels is probably enough for me, I just want the Camera Experience.


GravatarMercy!


GravatarThe sensor size is more important than Megapixels.

The D70s sensor is several times as large as most 8 megapixel digicams and yet it's only 6.


GravatarThe sensor size is more important than Megapixels.

The D70s sensor is several times as large as most 8 megapixel digicams and yet it's only 6.


GravatarSWR - upthread about Dylan...I've been stuck for about a week on the song "Most of the Time." Know it?

Eli. Get. a. camera. already. you know you want it, baby.


GravatarSWR - upthread about Dylan...I've been stuck for about a week on the song "Most of the Time." Know it?

Eli. Get. a. camera. already. you know you want it, baby.


GravatarDon't know it.

Yes. Eli should buy a D70.

He won't regret it.

1299 with the lens plus you get a 100 dollar rebate.


GravatarDon't know it.

Yes. Eli should buy a D70.

He won't regret it.

1299 with the lens plus you get a 100 dollar rebate.


GravatarThe sensor size is more important than Megapixels.

Can you elaborate on that? When I finally do break down and get a digital SLR, I don't want to make the digital camera equivalent of the 3.4GHz-PC-with-64MB-of-RAM mistake.


GravatarThe sensor size is more important than Megapixels.

Can you elaborate on that? When I finally do break down and get a digital SLR, I don't want to make the digital camera equivalent of the 3.4GHz-PC-with-64MB-of-RAM mistake.


GravatarCan you elaborate on that? When I finally do break down and get a digital SLR, I don't want to make the digital camera equivalent of the 3.4GHz-PC-with-64MB-of-RAM mistake.


Read this.


GravatarCan you elaborate on that? When I finally do break down and get a digital SLR, I don't want to make the digital camera equivalent of the 3.4GHz-PC-with-64MB-of-RAM mistake.


Read this.


GravatarBut you shouldn't even have to read it.

Just buy the D70. It's a no brainer.


GravatarBut you shouldn't even have to read it.

Just buy the D70. It's a no brainer.


GravatarDigital cameras distort reality. That's not how reality appears to the naked eye.


GravatarDigital cameras distort reality. That's not how reality appears to the naked eye.


GravatarSo do 4 x 5 view cameras.

Hey. As long as Michelle Malkin is the fascist du jour, does anybody know that Ansel Adams wrote a book protesting the internement of the Japanese?

Amazing photographs.


GravatarSo do 4 x 5 view cameras.

Hey. As long as Michelle Malkin is the fascist du jour, does anybody know that Ansel Adams wrote a book protesting the internement of the Japanese?

Amazing photographs.


GravatarIn 1980 alot of people bought a personal computer and discovered there was absolutely nothing they could do with it. Today it's different, they can surf porn, sell their old junk, engage in mindless coversations for hours, and gamble away a life savings trading stocks. This is what's known as the productivity revolution.


GravatarIn 1980 alot of people bought a personal computer and discovered there was absolutely nothing they could do with it. Today it's different, they can surf porn, sell their old junk, engage in mindless coversations for hours, and gamble away a life savings trading stocks. This is what's known as the productivity revolution.


GravatarYou mean as opposed to watching TV.


GravatarYou mean as opposed to watching TV.


GravatarAs long as Michelle Malkin is the fascist du jour, does anybody know that Ansel Adams wrote a book protesting the internement of the Japanese?

Amazing photographs.


Well, that kinda goes without saying, dunnit?

Although I don't really associate him with people photos, so that's different.


GravatarAs long as Michelle Malkin is the fascist du jour, does anybody know that Ansel Adams wrote a book protesting the internement of the Japanese?

Amazing photographs.


Well, that kinda goes without saying, dunnit?

Although I don't really associate him with people photos, so that's different.


GravatarComputers will create a 'paperless revolution' in the office.


GravatarComputers will create a 'paperless revolution' in the office.


GravatarI read his autobiography. He's pretty political actually. He comes out and says "I'M A LIBERAL" then he says that it was PHYSICALL PAINFUL for him to be in the same room as Ronald Reagan.


GravatarI read his autobiography. He's pretty political actually. He comes out and says "I'M A LIBERAL" then he says that it was PHYSICALL PAINFUL for him to be in the same room as Ronald Reagan.


Gravatar(unfortunately, the photos are *so* gorgeous, it kinda makes the internment camps look like not such a bad thing...)


Gravatar(unfortunately, the photos are *so* gorgeous, it kinda makes the internment camps look like not such a bad thing...)


GravatarIt's time for everyone to get off the internet. We can use our local library for whatever we need.


GravatarIt's time for everyone to get off the internet. We can use our local library for whatever we need.


Gravatar(unfortunately, the photos are *so* gorgeous, it kinda makes the internment camps look like not such a bad thing...)
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 3:47 am | #


I've thought about that.

But I realized that most racists like to see people they hate look degraded.

And Adams is making the Japanese look American, more American than a lot of white Americans.

Racists really hate it when somebody makes their object of hate look elevated and more human than they are.


Gravatar(unfortunately, the photos are *so* gorgeous, it kinda makes the internment camps look like not such a bad thing...)
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 3:47 am | #


I've thought about that.

But I realized that most racists like to see people they hate look degraded.

And Adams is making the Japanese look American, more American than a lot of white Americans.

Racists really hate it when somebody makes their object of hate look elevated and more human than they are.


GravatarBut I realized that most racists like to see people they hate look degraded.

And Adams is making the Japanese look American, more American than a lot of white Americans.

Racists really hate it when somebody makes their object of hate look elevated and more human than they are.


Yes, it may deprive the hardcore racists of their fun, but it kind of plays into the hands of the passive enablers, the ones who think of themselves as good, tolerant people, who can say to themselves, "Well, those Japanese people seem quite happy, and those mountains in the background are lovely, so everyone who's complaining about the camps is really just making a big fuss over nothing."


GravatarBut I realized that most racists like to see people they hate look degraded.

And Adams is making the Japanese look American, more American than a lot of white Americans.

Racists really hate it when somebody makes their object of hate look elevated and more human than they are.


Yes, it may deprive the hardcore racists of their fun, but it kind of plays into the hands of the passive enablers, the ones who think of themselves as good, tolerant people, who can say to themselves, "Well, those Japanese people seem quite happy, and those mountains in the background are lovely, so everyone who's complaining about the camps is really just making a big fuss over nothing."


Gravatar"Well, those Japanese people seem quite happy, and those mountains in the background are lovely

But if those same people saw the Japanese being abused what would they think?

It's an old racist trick. Treat people like shit then blame them for looking like shit after they've been treated like shit.

The Nazis herded Jews into gettos and then made movies of the overcrowding and said "look how these Jews live in overcrowded conditions".

The thing about Adams is I don't think he was capable of creating something ugly.


Gravatar"Well, those Japanese people seem quite happy, and those mountains in the background are lovely

But if those same people saw the Japanese being abused what would they think?

It's an old racist trick. Treat people like shit then blame them for looking like shit after they've been treated like shit.

The Nazis herded Jews into gettos and then made movies of the overcrowding and said "look how these Jews live in overcrowded conditions".

The thing about Adams is I don't think he was capable of creating something ugly.


GravatarI think Haloscan is actually going in *reverse* now...


GravatarI think Haloscan is actually going in *reverse* now...


GravatarWell, the ghettoes were residential areas, so it was possible to maintain the fiction that the Jews had always lived there, and chose to live that way. But when you have people in *camps*, you can't deny that the government placed them there.

So yes, I think if the pictures showed the internees looking miserable or listless, there's at least a chance that some compassionate souls would see that and think, "My God, what are we doing? They're people, just like us, how can we treat them like that?" I'm not entirely sure if 1940s Americans were capable of thinking that way, though. Hell, I'm not even sure 2000s Americans are.


GravatarWell, the ghettoes were residential areas, so it was possible to maintain the fiction that the Jews had always lived there, and chose to live that way. But when you have people in *camps*, you can't deny that the government placed them there.

So yes, I think if the pictures showed the internees looking miserable or listless, there's at least a chance that some compassionate souls would see that and think, "My God, what are we doing? They're people, just like us, how can we treat them like that?" I'm not entirely sure if 1940s Americans were capable of thinking that way, though. Hell, I'm not even sure 2000s Americans are.


GravatarAre you familiar with this one?


GravatarAre you familiar with this one?


Gravatar"My God, what are we doing? They're people, just like us, how can we treat them like that?"

Do you appeal to people's sense of patronizing compassion or to their sense of what's right and wrong.

Isn't it possible that those passively racicst people would see those photos of the Japanese internees and say "HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT KEEP THOSE PEOPLE IN PRISON!!!"

Wouldn't that be better than "Oh how sorry I feel for those poor abused peole?"


Gravatar"My God, what are we doing? They're people, just like us, how can we treat them like that?"

Do you appeal to people's sense of patronizing compassion or to their sense of what's right and wrong.

Isn't it possible that those passively racicst people would see those photos of the Japanese internees and say "HOW DARE THE GOVERNMENT KEEP THOSE PEOPLE IN PRISON!!!"

Wouldn't that be better than "Oh how sorry I feel for those poor abused peole?"


GravatarI *think* so. I've seen a lot of Ansel Adams, and a lot of Edward Weston (one assignment was to write a paper about, and take pictures in the style of, some great photographer, and he was my pick - I believe the leaf-on-the-snow picture came from that assignment).

Lots of others too, but I think they're my favorites, probably because I'm not primarily a people photographer.


GravatarI *think* so. I've seen a lot of Ansel Adams, and a lot of Edward Weston (one assignment was to write a paper about, and take pictures in the style of, some great photographer, and he was my pick - I believe the leaf-on-the-snow picture came from that assignment).

Lots of others too, but I think they're my favorites, probably because I'm not primarily a people photographer.


GravatarI've always like Joseph Koudelka.


GravatarI've always like Joseph Koudelka.


GravatarI don't think humanity/dignity and unhappiness are mutually exclusive. I don't think you're forced to show one or the other, but not both.

Suffering is human too, and it can be borne gracefully.


GravatarI don't think humanity/dignity and unhappiness are mutually exclusive. I don't think you're forced to show one or the other, but not both.

Suffering is human too, and it can be borne gracefully.


GravatarWow. Pretty fucking intense.

Ever heard of a photographer named Stephen Scheer? He taught the one photo class I taught in college. He liked complex composition, low contrast, and photos with people in them - it's a miracle I ever picked up a camera ever again...


GravatarWow. Pretty fucking intense.

Ever heard of a photographer named Stephen Scheer? He taught the one photo class I taught in college. He liked complex composition, low contrast, and photos with people in them - it's a miracle I ever picked up a camera ever again...


Gravatar...*took* in college...

Probably just about time to go to sleep...


Gravatar...*took* in college...

Probably just about time to go to sleep...


GravatarEver heard of a photographer named Stephen Scheer

No. I'll have to look him up.


GravatarEver heard of a photographer named Stephen Scheer

No. I'll have to look him up.


GravatarHe's not bad. When he showed us some of his stuff, I realized I actually had a photo book with him in it.

He was just the exact opposite of me, and didn't seem to have any concept that his way was not the only way. I adapted (that's why there are so many people in my college shots), but I didn't have much fun, and my confidence was pretty shaken, especially when he reamed my first batch of photos, which I was pretty pleased with.


GravatarHe's not bad. When he showed us some of his stuff, I realized I actually had a photo book with him in it.

He was just the exact opposite of me, and didn't seem to have any concept that his way was not the only way. I adapted (that's why there are so many people in my college shots), but I didn't have much fun, and my confidence was pretty shaken, especially when he reamed my first batch of photos, which I was pretty pleased with.


GravatarHe was just the exact opposite of me, and didn't seem to have any concept that his way was not the only way. I adapted (that's why there are so many people in my college shots), but I didn't have much fun, and my confidence was pretty shaken, especially when he reamed my first batch of photos, which I was pretty pleased with.


You might like this guy.


GravatarHe was just the exact opposite of me, and didn't seem to have any concept that his way was not the only way. I adapted (that's why there are so many people in my college shots), but I didn't have much fun, and my confidence was pretty shaken, especially when he reamed my first batch of photos, which I was pretty pleased with.


You might like this guy.


GravatarYep, definitely more my speed. I didn't have the sexy models, tho. Well, okay, there were a few in high school, but they were fully clothed, and mostly head shots... Maybe I'll scan them one day.


GravatarYep, definitely more my speed. I didn't have the sexy models, tho. Well, okay, there were a few in high school, but they were fully clothed, and mostly head shots... Maybe I'll scan them one day.


GravatarOkay, definitely time to call it a night.

Cheers! It's not often I get to talk photography, I think I'm starting to get the itch again...


GravatarOkay, definitely time to call it a night.

Cheers! It's not often I get to talk photography, I think I'm starting to get the itch again...


GravatarI came across a Reuters news story just a little while ago. It's entitled, "US Said to Mull Lifetime Terror-Suspect Detentions," and details how the DoD is contemplating building a new 200-bed prison "to hold detainees who are unlikely to ever go through a military tribunal for lack of evidence" and how the detention may be for life.

Wake up, everybody, and smell the shit. It's just hit the fan.

http://www.reuters.com/ newsArtic...storyID=7217367


GravatarI came across a Reuters news story just a little while ago. It's entitled, "US Said to Mull Lifetime Terror-Suspect Detentions," and details how the DoD is contemplating building a new 200-bed prison "to hold detainees who are unlikely to ever go through a military tribunal for lack of evidence" and how the detention may be for life.

Wake up, everybody, and smell the shit. It's just hit the fan.

http://www.reuters.com/ newsArtic...storyID=7217367


GravatarFresh Blood on the Tracks of Hopelessness:

"Most Americans are still ambivalent about our Child Preznut. A recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll showed him with a 49% job approval rating - a wretched crazy train leading toward a slow-burning political death if you are a student of history - but even his closest advisors are getting worried less than a month after he declared that he had a mandate and intended to expend the political capital granted by his re-election, which since that time has amounted to little more than four weeks in the village stocks getting pelted by rotten fruit and rocks."


GravatarFresh Blood on the Tracks of Hopelessness:

"Most Americans are still ambivalent about our Child Preznut. A recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll showed him with a 49% job approval rating - a wretched crazy train leading toward a slow-burning political death if you are a student of history - but even his closest advisors are getting worried less than a month after he declared that he had a mandate and intended to expend the political capital granted by his re-election, which since that time has amounted to little more than four weeks in the village stocks getting pelted by rotten fruit and rocks."


GravatarOh wah.. the liberals are the number one defenders of terrorists.

Face it, the terrorists we have should be executed.

If we released those terrorists, then they'd probably commit a terrorist act and then you whiners would blame it on Bush for releasing them.


GravatarOh wah.. the liberals are the number one defenders of terrorists.

Face it, the terrorists we have should be executed.

If we released those terrorists, then they'd probably commit a terrorist act and then you whiners would blame it on Bush for releasing them.


GravatarNumber one defenders of terrorists? Not really. If you can prove someone is a terrorist, I'm all for punishment.

Liberals tend to care much more about civil rights and civil liberties, however.

And holding "suspected terrorists" without adequate evidence, possibly for life, constitutes a violation of their civil rights. They may not be guaranteed by the US Constitution, as that applies soleley to US citizens, but I believe that US citizens aren't any better, or any worse, than any other group of people in the world. If our Constitution guarantees protection for us, I believe that protection should be extended to other groups of people whenever possible.


GravatarNumber one defenders of terrorists? Not really. If you can prove someone is a terrorist, I'm all for punishment.

Liberals tend to care much more about civil rights and civil liberties, however.

And holding "suspected terrorists" without adequate evidence, possibly for life, constitutes a violation of their civil rights. They may not be guaranteed by the US Constitution, as that applies soleley to US citizens, but I believe that US citizens aren't any better, or any worse, than any other group of people in the world. If our Constitution guarantees protection for us, I believe that protection should be extended to other groups of people whenever possible.


GravatarI seem to have attracted the attention of a wing nut from a post I made at Pandagon using my email address. Has this happened to anyone else? How did you handle it? He seems to think I dreamed up Chicken George's courageous running away on 9/11. He hasn't gotten real crazy yet, no threats and insults at a minimum.


GravatarI seem to have attracted the attention of a wing nut from a post I made at Pandagon using my email address. Has this happened to anyone else? How did you handle it? He seems to think I dreamed up Chicken George's courageous running away on 9/11. He hasn't gotten real crazy yet, no threats and insults at a minimum.


GravatarBig dog Bill Clinton has Tilman Riemannschneider hands. Me too!


GravatarBig dog Bill Clinton has Tilman Riemannschneider hands. Me too!


Gravatarhow can anyone be sleeping when social security is in crisis-mode? (wink)


Gravatarhow can anyone be sleeping when social security is in crisis-mode? (wink)


GravatarIT'S MOONING IN AMERICA!


GravatarIT'S MOONING IN AMERICA!


Gravatarcame across a Reuters news story just a little while ago. It's entitled, "US Said
to Mull Lifetime Terror-Suspect Detentions," and details how the DoD is
contemplating building a new 200-bed prison "to hold detainees who are
unlikely to ever go through a military tribunal for lack of evidence" and how the
detention may be for life.

Wake up, everybody, and smell the shit. It's just hit the fan.

http://www.reuters.com/ newsArtic...storyID=7217367
Jesse | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 4:27 am | #


Jesus H. Christ.

Sorry, that's the best I can do in
the face of this.


Gravatarcame across a Reuters news story just a little while ago. It's entitled, "US Said
to Mull Lifetime Terror-Suspect Detentions," and details how the DoD is
contemplating building a new 200-bed prison "to hold detainees who are
unlikely to ever go through a military tribunal for lack of evidence" and how the
detention may be for life.

Wake up, everybody, and smell the shit. It's just hit the fan.

http://www.reuters.com/ newsArtic...storyID=7217367
Jesse | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 4:27 am | #


Jesus H. Christ.

Sorry, that's the best I can do in
the face of this.


GravatarMorning, all.
Elaine I saw your letter that got published on the last thread, nice work.
Jesse, that is a very scary article.
It has NO moral dimension. Sort of like those artichokes. And did you notice they said this idea originated in the STATE DEPT!


GravatarMorning, all.
Elaine I saw your letter that got published on the last thread, nice work.
Jesse, that is a very scary article.
It has NO moral dimension. Sort of like those artichokes. And did you notice they said this idea originated in the STATE DEPT!


GravatarJayzus, Jesse. SIBAS -- Standard Issue BushCo Appalling Shit.

Steve -- on a considerably lighter note, did you see Stranger's post at 11:41 pm?


GravatarJayzus, Jesse. SIBAS -- Standard Issue BushCo Appalling Shit.

Steve -- on a considerably lighter note, did you see Stranger's post at 11:41 pm?


Gravatarfilkertom:
nope.....


Gravatarfilkertom:
nope.....


Gravatarfilkertom:
Sorry, just backtracked and found it.

Can't get it to play, but I
appreciate the sentiment.

Thanks, stranger!!!!


Gravatarfilkertom:
Sorry, just backtracked and found it.

Can't get it to play, but I
appreciate the sentiment.

Thanks, stranger!!!!


GravatarI remember quotes concering indefinite detention without trial in the article at WaPo on the extraordianry rendition amendment.

The Busheviks want the authority to lock people away without trial, because they have no evidence that these people are terrorists. But the Busheviks (and by our troll Trevor's comments) hate the United States and the United States Constitution, which some of them have sworn an oath to uphold. (This of course violates the 6th Amendment of the Constitution.)


GravatarI remember quotes concering indefinite detention without trial in the article at WaPo on the extraordianry rendition amendment.

The Busheviks want the authority to lock people away without trial, because they have no evidence that these people are terrorists. But the Busheviks (and by our troll Trevor's comments) hate the United States and the United States Constitution, which some of them have sworn an oath to uphold. (This of course violates the 6th Amendment of the Constitution.)


GravatarMy first day of the new year and it already sucks.


GravatarMy first day of the new year and it already sucks.


GravatarTom-what extraordinary rendition amendment? I've been out of town.


GravatarTom-what extraordinary rendition amendment? I've been out of town.


GravatarThe one Atrios posted a link to the blog entry a while back at Obsidian Wings. I'll see if I can dig up a link to the WaPo story. (30 Sept. 2004)

Here was my follow up on it which highlighted that particular paragraph.

""""Our laws are not up to date with the war we're fighting," Feehery said. In many cases, he said, the Justice Department "can't keep [terror suspects] in detention, they can't convict them, they don't want to try them. . . . If you can't detain them indefinitely, you sure don't want them in America.""""

Feehery was identified as the spokesman for Dennis Hastert.


GravatarThe one Atrios posted a link to the blog entry a while back at Obsidian Wings. I'll see if I can dig up a link to the WaPo story. (30 Sept. 2004)

Here was my follow up on it which highlighted that particular paragraph.

""""Our laws are not up to date with the war we're fighting," Feehery said. In many cases, he said, the Justice Department "can't keep [terror suspects] in detention, they can't convict them, they don't want to try them. . . . If you can't detain them indefinitely, you sure don't want them in America.""""

Feehery was identified as the spokesman for Dennis Hastert.


GravatarThe following is a quote from
Trevor's website.

Remember America.. you are
voting for Bush or Bin Laden.

A vote for Kerry is a vote for
Bin Ladenism and Terrorism.
There is no difference between
the Senator and Bin Laden.

Trevor is batshit insane.
Almost comically so.


GravatarThe following is a quote from
Trevor's website.

Remember America.. you are
voting for Bush or Bin Laden.

A vote for Kerry is a vote for
Bin Ladenism and Terrorism.
There is no difference between
the Senator and Bin Laden.

Trevor is batshit insane.
Almost comically so.


GravatarSteve -- is "Bone-Rattled" the one you're having trouble with? Because I'm a heavy Acid Pro user myself, and between that and Sound Forge, I'm pretty sure I can get it going for you. The other one, I got to play right away.


GravatarSteve -- is "Bone-Rattled" the one you're having trouble with? Because I'm a heavy Acid Pro user myself, and between that and Sound Forge, I'm pretty sure I can get it going for you. The other one, I got to play right away.


GravatarFilkertom:
Give me a minute....


GravatarFilkertom:
Give me a minute....


GravatarSteve -- no doubt re: Trevor. He's the same one who spouts off at Pandagon, yes,?


GravatarSteve -- no doubt re: Trevor. He's the same one who spouts off at Pandagon, yes,?


GravatarFilkertom:
No, the one I tried to get was
the Running Back to Nirvana mix.
Didn't try the other one or the original.


GravatarFilkertom:
No, the one I tried to get was
the Running Back to Nirvana mix.
Didn't try the other one or the original.


GravatarKarin- I was going to say that particular amendment was dumped, but this is one of those things that the Busheviks seem to be intent upon, despite it being in direct violation of their oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.


GravatarKarin- I was going to say that particular amendment was dumped, but this is one of those things that the Busheviks seem to be intent upon, despite it being in direct violation of their oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States.


GravatarCan you guys name a troll here whose blog isn't completely disconnected from reality?

Though I have to admit that there really isn't anything more pathetic than blogwhoring via trolling like Gordo or Trevor or the rest of the Little Green Raelians.


GravatarCan you guys name a troll here whose blog isn't completely disconnected from reality?

Though I have to admit that there really isn't anything more pathetic than blogwhoring via trolling like Gordo or Trevor or the rest of the Little Green Raelians.


GravatarSteve -- give me a few minutes, I'll have 'em both MP3'd for you. Can you get large e-mails, or should I give you a download link?


GravatarSteve -- give me a few minutes, I'll have 'em both MP3'd for you. Can you get large e-mails, or should I give you a download link?


GravatarYou're right, Tom DTL -- it's kinda scary going to those odd nether regions. Like heading for the corner drug store and finding yourself on Willy Wonka's boat....

By the way, your blog is quite good, and your wife's quite the babe.


GravatarYou're right, Tom DTL -- it's kinda scary going to those odd nether regions. Like heading for the corner drug store and finding yourself on Willy Wonka's boat....

By the way, your blog is quite good, and your wife's quite the babe.


GravatarFilkertom:
Thanks anyway, but I finally figured
out how to open them.

Happy New Year and thanks!!!!!

PS: What the hell are either of us
doing online this early?


GravatarFilkertom:
Thanks anyway, but I finally figured
out how to open them.

Happy New Year and thanks!!!!!

PS: What the hell are either of us
doing online this early?


GravatarI never thought I would have to backtrack on a condemnation of Bush but just speaking for myself, I think I was too harsh on Bush for the administration's apparent paltry initial donation on behalf of the US to parts of the stricken areas of Asia. It was not immediately clear the extent of the damage when that donation was offered.


GravatarI never thought I would have to backtrack on a condemnation of Bush but just speaking for myself, I think I was too harsh on Bush for the administration's apparent paltry initial donation on behalf of the US to parts of the stricken areas of Asia. It was not immediately clear the extent of the damage when that donation was offered.


GravatarSteve -- kewl. I hadn't paid attention to this remix contest anyway, and Stranger does some good work. Think I'll vote for him.

And... wishing I could get back to sleep, myself. You?


GravatarSteve -- kewl. I hadn't paid attention to this remix contest anyway, and Stranger does some good work. Think I'll vote for him.

And... wishing I could get back to sleep, myself. You?


GravatarTurner Classic Movies is running
Stage Door, so that's why I'm awake.

Damn, the young Lucille Ball was
gorgeous.
Also, the unfairly forgotten Gail
Patrick. What a dish.


GravatarTurner Classic Movies is running
Stage Door, so that's why I'm awake.

Damn, the young Lucille Ball was
gorgeous.
Also, the unfairly forgotten Gail
Patrick. What a dish.


GravatarSorry to post and run. This beginning a new year, new cycle feels entirely different to me. All the old discouragement is wiped away and we start over with the new discouragement.

Plenty of new mechanisms out there for work. I've switched over to Peace and Justice committees, from working with democrats and moveon.

May we lay a new groundwork for the resistance. May the joint efforts post tsunami lead to cooperation among nations that affects Iraq.

Anonymous, hi


GravatarSorry to post and run. This beginning a new year, new cycle feels entirely different to me. All the old discouragement is wiped away and we start over with the new discouragement.

Plenty of new mechanisms out there for work. I've switched over to Peace and Justice committees, from working with democrats and moveon.

May we lay a new groundwork for the resistance. May the joint efforts post tsunami lead to cooperation among nations that affects Iraq.

Anonymous, hi


GravatarWhat if the samples get mixed up? An unsuspecting customer would end up with...
Woody Allen Funt!

There's gotta be a million of those...


Kareem Abdul Jabbar the Hut.

I always thought, when Ben & Jerry's brought out "Cherry Garcia" that their next offering should have been "Caramel Abdul Jabbar," but who listens to genius?


GravatarWhat if the samples get mixed up? An unsuspecting customer would end up with...
Woody Allen Funt!

There's gotta be a million of those...


Kareem Abdul Jabbar the Hut.

I always thought, when Ben & Jerry's brought out "Cherry Garcia" that their next offering should have been "Caramel Abdul Jabbar," but who listens to genius?


GravatarIf Helen Reddy married Tom Petty
and then divorced him to marry
Johnny Cash, she'd be

Helen Reddy Petty Cash.

Heh heh.


GravatarIf Helen Reddy married Tom Petty
and then divorced him to marry
Johnny Cash, she'd be

Helen Reddy Petty Cash.

Heh heh.


GravatarÔ¿Ô -- don't even sweat it, friend. At the time of the original offer, the death toll was already seven times that of 9/11, and they knew it was going to get much worse. It was a paltry donation, especially because it could be so easily compared to the Inauguration and the daily costs in Iraq.

I liked the idea that someone had -- might've been upthread, but I've been cruising a lot of sites this morning -- that all Dubya had to do was not name a dollar amount. If, on Sunday afternoon, he'd taken two minutes to say, "What a horrific tragedy -- we will start sending aid as quickly as possible, starting with food and rescue helicopters in the next 24 hours" (and, frankly, I think he would've taken two minutes to say that, but I digress), this whole stupid farce would never have come up, and the US would look a lot better in the eyes of the world.

I'm really believing that they couldn't go about destroying the US brick by brick any more efficiently.


GravatarÔ¿Ô -- don't even sweat it, friend. At the time of the original offer, the death toll was already seven times that of 9/11, and they knew it was going to get much worse. It was a paltry donation, especially because it could be so easily compared to the Inauguration and the daily costs in Iraq.

I liked the idea that someone had -- might've been upthread, but I've been cruising a lot of sites this morning -- that all Dubya had to do was not name a dollar amount. If, on Sunday afternoon, he'd taken two minutes to say, "What a horrific tragedy -- we will start sending aid as quickly as possible, starting with food and rescue helicopters in the next 24 hours" (and, frankly, I think he would've taken two minutes to say that, but I digress), this whole stupid farce would never have come up, and the US would look a lot better in the eyes of the world.

I'm really believing that they couldn't go about destroying the US brick by brick any more efficiently.


GravatarIf the great classical harpsichordist
Wanda Landowska had married Howard
Hughes and then divorced him to
marry Henry Kissinger,
she'd be

Wanda Hughes Kissinger now.


Think about it.


GravatarIf the great classical harpsichordist
Wanda Landowska had married Howard
Hughes and then divorced him to
marry Henry Kissinger,
she'd be

Wanda Hughes Kissinger now.


Think about it.


GravatarStill, Japan has promised 500 million and we have promised 350 million. Individual donations will probably eclipse that but not from the fundies, though. Bush probably did it for cynical PR reasons (yeah, he no doubt did) but since the fundies don't have to bother, they didn't.


GravatarStill, Japan has promised 500 million and we have promised 350 million. Individual donations will probably eclipse that but not from the fundies, though. Bush probably did it for cynical PR reasons (yeah, he no doubt did) but since the fundies don't have to bother, they didn't.


GravatarSteve -- agreed on the young Lucy, although her prototype for the Fran Dreischer voice module always set my teeth on edge.

Helen Reddy Petty Cash

Doo dah, doo dah....


GravatarSteve -- agreed on the young Lucy, although her prototype for the Fran Dreischer voice module always set my teeth on edge.

Helen Reddy Petty Cash

Doo dah, doo dah....


GravatarFilkertom:

Ever see a color picture of the
young Lucy?

Man oh Manischevitz.


GravatarFilkertom:

Ever see a color picture of the
young Lucy?

Man oh Manischevitz.


GravatarThanks, Tom, I missed that. Those guys never take a break from trying to destroy civil liberties.


GravatarThanks, Tom, I missed that. Those guys never take a break from trying to destroy civil liberties.


GravatarWhy isn't there massive war protests going on right now? I am sick of the 60's as much as the next person, but Vietnam was much more popular when mass protests started.

It might just prove my pet theory that it was the draft that twas the reason. As long as our butts aren't on the line, we will just be opposed from afar.


GravatarWhy isn't there massive war protests going on right now? I am sick of the 60's as much as the next person, but Vietnam was much more popular when mass protests started.

It might just prove my pet theory that it was the draft that twas the reason. As long as our butts aren't on the line, we will just be opposed from afar.


Gravatar"Harry Crumb Reddy-Arnott."

I'll get back to you with the setup after I've had a few more cups of coffee.

...arnott.


Gravatar"Harry Crumb Reddy-Arnott."

I'll get back to you with the setup after I've had a few more cups of coffee.

...arnott.


GravatarTrifecta:
You are exactly right.

Which is why I have been saying
for months that as
soon as Bush institutes a draft, which of
course he will, welcome to 1968.

This war is not so popular that
college kids want to get killed for
it.

Trust me -- blood on the streets by
mid-year.


GravatarTrifecta:
You are exactly right.

Which is why I have been saying
for months that as
soon as Bush institutes a draft, which of
course he will, welcome to 1968.

This war is not so popular that
college kids want to get killed for
it.

Trust me -- blood on the streets by
mid-year.


GravatarYou guys seem to forget that presidentin is hard work.


GravatarYou guys seem to forget that presidentin is hard work.


GravatarThere is a large protest planned for Inauguration Day in Washington. And the first anti-Vietnam marches were much smaller than the first anti-Iraq war protests. The first massive one I remember was in 1967. Although you're right, the draft had a lot to do with making that war unpopular.


GravatarThere is a large protest planned for Inauguration Day in Washington. And the first anti-Vietnam marches were much smaller than the first anti-Iraq war protests. The first massive one I remember was in 1967. Although you're right, the draft had a lot to do with making that war unpopular.


GravatarKarin:
That's why we have the cliche of
the self-absorbed baby boomers.

Selfish bastards didn't want to
get killed in an illegal, immoral
war.


GravatarKarin:
That's why we have the cliche of
the self-absorbed baby boomers.

Selfish bastards didn't want to
get killed in an illegal, immoral
war.


GravatarStage Door is OK, but TMC had some really bitchin' movies during last week- they seemed to be doing a prison theme. I saw Sullivan's Travels, The Last Gangster, Carbine Williams, later on they had The Defiant Ones.


GravatarStage Door is OK, but TMC had some really bitchin' movies during last week- they seemed to be doing a prison theme. I saw Sullivan's Travels, The Last Gangster, Carbine Williams, later on they had The Defiant Ones.


GravatarTrevor is simply a fascist piece of shit, a terrorist all by himself.


GravatarTrevor is simply a fascist piece of shit, a terrorist all by himself.


GravatarKarin:
God, I love Sullivan's Travels.

And TMC ran a bunch of really good
rock movies New Year's Eve.


GravatarKarin:
God, I love Sullivan's Travels.

And TMC ran a bunch of really good
rock movies New Year's Eve.


GravatarI wonder what will be the next new mile marker that the administration will have the media focus on after this election in Iraq that wont solve anything.


GravatarI wonder what will be the next new mile marker that the administration will have the media focus on after this election in Iraq that wont solve anything.


GravatarWanda Hughes Kissinger now.

OwwwWWWW.

All right, Simels. You asked for it.

If Jack Parr had adopted songwriter Tommy Boyce, who had a gay affair with violinist Itzhak Perlman, then broke off with him and took up with French film director Xavier De Choudens, and then ended up with actor Tim Stepich, who played the title role in Nougat, and then found evidence in an ancient grimoire of his otherworldly origins as part of a subhuman species from the Plateau of Leng...

... would he be...

Parr Tommy Boyce Itzhak De Choudens Nougat Tcho-Tcho?


GravatarWanda Hughes Kissinger now.

OwwwWWWW.

All right, Simels. You asked for it.

If Jack Parr had adopted songwriter Tommy Boyce, who had a gay affair with violinist Itzhak Perlman, then broke off with him and took up with French film director Xavier De Choudens, and then ended up with actor Tim Stepich, who played the title role in Nougat, and then found evidence in an ancient grimoire of his otherworldly origins as part of a subhuman species from the Plateau of Leng...

... would he be...

Parr Tommy Boyce Itzhak De Choudens Nougat Tcho-Tcho?


GravatarAnybody think that the quote elections
unquote in Iraq will be a major
fiasco?

So bad the administration won't be
able to whitewash it?


GravatarAnybody think that the quote elections
unquote in Iraq will be a major
fiasco?

So bad the administration won't be
able to whitewash it?


GravatarThose guys never take a break from trying to destroy civil liberties.

"...and neither do we."

Besides the draft, the other great factor driving the unwillingness of the American public to stomach the Vietnam war was on-the scene reporting.

Both print and broadcast reporters enjoyed relative freedom of movement around the Vietnamese countryside, which resulted in a lot of stories contradicting the offical 'line.' Today's reporters can't safely leave the green zone, so they just take dictation from there.


GravatarThose guys never take a break from trying to destroy civil liberties.

"...and neither do we."

Besides the draft, the other great factor driving the unwillingness of the American public to stomach the Vietnam war was on-the scene reporting.

Both print and broadcast reporters enjoyed relative freedom of movement around the Vietnamese countryside, which resulted in a lot of stories contradicting the offical 'line.' Today's reporters can't safely leave the green zone, so they just take dictation from there.


GravatarFilkertom:

Words fail me.

You are the man. Indisputably.


GravatarFilkertom:

Words fail me.

You are the man. Indisputably.


GravatarShorter Lieberman:

"Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed the play."


GravatarShorter Lieberman:

"Mrs. Lincoln enjoyed the play."


GravatarHey, Simels.

Back when I was a classical buyer at Tower we used to come up with "Nasty Chamber Ensembles."

I think we abandoned the contest after we formed a piano trio with pianist Mischa Dichter, cellist Yo-Yo Ma and violinist Josef Suk.

Yup, the Suk-Ma-Dichter Trio.

We also put Yo-Yo together with pianists Emanual Ax and Evgeny Kissin, but we couldn't think of anything suitable for the Kissin-Ma-Ax Trio to play.


GravatarHey, Simels.

Back when I was a classical buyer at Tower we used to come up with "Nasty Chamber Ensembles."

I think we abandoned the contest after we formed a piano trio with pianist Mischa Dichter, cellist Yo-Yo Ma and violinist Josef Suk.

Yup, the Suk-Ma-Dichter Trio.

We also put Yo-Yo together with pianists Emanual Ax and Evgeny Kissin, but we couldn't think of anything suitable for the Kissin-Ma-Ax Trio to play.


GravatarPoem 43

George Bush and a grain of salt.

(adapted from a Richard Brautigan poem)

Ben


GravatarPoem 43

George Bush and a grain of salt.

(adapted from a Richard Brautigan poem)

Ben


GravatarGotta go for awhile.

See y'all later.


GravatarGotta go for awhile.

See y'all later.


GravatarSteve -- [deep bow] Couldn't have done it without your excellent lead-off. You must understand, though, that that kinda stuff is how I made my rep in SF fandom. They don't let me compete in pun contests any more.


GravatarSteve -- [deep bow] Couldn't have done it without your excellent lead-off. You must understand, though, that that kinda stuff is how I made my rep in SF fandom. They don't let me compete in pun contests any more.


Gravatar"We" meaning "me," of course.


Gravatar"We" meaning "me," of course.


GravatarOkay, I lied.

Hey SteveLG:

Tower in NYC?


GravatarOkay, I lied.

Hey SteveLG:

Tower in NYC?


GravatarSteveLG -- [snicker] crass, and excellent.

Swami Beyondananda had a bit I've stolen on more than one occasion, about this incredible rock and roll album, financed by Spike Lee, recorded in a Howard Johnson's in New Orleans, and starring Don Ho, Yoko Ono, and Yo-Yo Ma. The title was Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho, and the follow-up would be, of course, Mo' Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho. The big question is, why is Yo-Yo Ma on the album? And the answer is, there's always room for cello.


GravatarSteveLG -- [snicker] crass, and excellent.

Swami Beyondananda had a bit I've stolen on more than one occasion, about this incredible rock and roll album, financed by Spike Lee, recorded in a Howard Johnson's in New Orleans, and starring Don Ho, Yoko Ono, and Yo-Yo Ma. The title was Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho, and the follow-up would be, of course, Mo' Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho. The big question is, why is Yo-Yo Ma on the album? And the answer is, there's always room for cello.


GravatarNo, Tower in AnnapolisMD.

I remember that when we opened, the classical department was in its own separate enclosure. Two ladies of middling age walked in, stared at the stacks in wide-eyed amazement, and I heard one of them say: "Awright... let's smoke some plastic."


GravatarNo, Tower in AnnapolisMD.

I remember that when we opened, the classical department was in its own separate enclosure. Two ladies of middling age walked in, stared at the stacks in wide-eyed amazement, and I heard one of them say: "Awright... let's smoke some plastic."


GravatarSteveLG:

I love that.


Fillkertom:
That's the most shameless thing
I've ever heard.
God bless you.


GravatarSteveLG:

I love that.


Fillkertom:
That's the most shameless thing
I've ever heard.
God bless you.


Gravatarfilkertom:
check your email

jolly post-holiday revels

cheers


Gravatarfilkertom:
check your email

jolly post-holiday revels

cheers


GravatarKono -- got it. Good stuff, m'friend!


GravatarKono -- got it. Good stuff, m'friend!


GravatarThe big question is, why is Yo-Yo Ma on the album? And the answer is, there's always room for cello.

That's the cherry on that particular sundae, isn't it? Great stuff...

So many great Tower records stories... another favorite was when several members of a local church choral group came in looking for a recording of a particular piece.

"You may not believe this," said the spokesperson for the group, "but I think it's called: The Lambs Go Marching In."

After a moment's dumbfounded silence, I asked: "Might you mean: Sheep May Safely Graze?"

"Yess-s-s-s!!!!!


GravatarThe big question is, why is Yo-Yo Ma on the album? And the answer is, there's always room for cello.

That's the cherry on that particular sundae, isn't it? Great stuff...

So many great Tower records stories... another favorite was when several members of a local church choral group came in looking for a recording of a particular piece.

"You may not believe this," said the spokesperson for the group, "but I think it's called: The Lambs Go Marching In."

After a moment's dumbfounded silence, I asked: "Might you mean: Sheep May Safely Graze?"

"Yess-s-s-s!!!!!


GravatarAnybody think that the quote elections
unquote in Iraq will be a major
fiasco?


Yes.

The Iraw fiasco is a freakin' nightmare. Elections won't solve anything. Talking to a rethug yesterday who said that Bush might have well gone into Iraq when he did because war was inevitable, anyway.

Love that logic. "Might as well kill 'em all to hell now, before someone else does it."


GravatarAnybody think that the quote elections
unquote in Iraq will be a major
fiasco?


Yes.

The Iraw fiasco is a freakin' nightmare. Elections won't solve anything. Talking to a rethug yesterday who said that Bush might have well gone into Iraq when he did because war was inevitable, anyway.

Love that logic. "Might as well kill 'em all to hell now, before someone else does it."


GravatarThe title was Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho, and the follow-up would be, of course, Mo' Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho. The big question is, why is Yo-Yo Ma on the album? And the answer is, there's always room for cello.
filkertom


That's sooooooo fucking aweful!!!


GravatarThe title was Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho, and the follow-up would be, of course, Mo' Yoko Yo-Yo HoJo Mojo Ho. The big question is, why is Yo-Yo Ma on the album? And the answer is, there's always room for cello.
filkertom


That's sooooooo fucking aweful!!!


GravatarGod, I love Sullivan's Travels.
Yeah, I had totally forgotten the name of the movie Sullivan was trying to make was "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?".


GravatarGod, I love Sullivan's Travels.
Yeah, I had totally forgotten the name of the movie Sullivan was trying to make was "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?".


GravatarJesus, Vicki. That's incredible.


GravatarJesus, Vicki. That's incredible.


GravatarTransposed a "w" for a "q" there...


GravatarTransposed a "w" for a "q" there...


Gravatar"You may not believe this," said the spokesperson for the group, "but I think it's called: The Lambs Go Marching In."

After a moment's dumbfounded silence, I asked: "Might you mean: Sheep May Safely Graze?"

"Yess-s-s-s!!!!!
SteveLG


The Lambs Go Marching In....

I cannot stop laughing, even as I mop coffee snot from my keyboard.;..


Gravatar"You may not believe this," said the spokesperson for the group, "but I think it's called: The Lambs Go Marching In."

After a moment's dumbfounded silence, I asked: "Might you mean: Sheep May Safely Graze?"

"Yess-s-s-s!!!!!
SteveLG


The Lambs Go Marching In....

I cannot stop laughing, even as I mop coffee snot from my keyboard.;..


Gravatarfilkertom in the penalty box


Gravatarfilkertom in the penalty box


GravatarSteve Simels -- can it be that you've never heard the Swami? Best punster alive, that I've ever heard of, and the most amazing shtick that I've ever heard of. He's a comedian/motivational speaker, kinda like if Groucho Marx was a new-age guru. With a rainbow wig.

The killer bit is when he takes questions from the audience and does new-age wisdom and puns based on them. And every once in awhile he even sneaks in something that works as advice -- e.g., "I have bad news, and I have good news. The bad news is, there is no key to the universe. The good news is, it has been left unlocked."


GravatarSteve Simels -- can it be that you've never heard the Swami? Best punster alive, that I've ever heard of, and the most amazing shtick that I've ever heard of. He's a comedian/motivational speaker, kinda like if Groucho Marx was a new-age guru. With a rainbow wig.

The killer bit is when he takes questions from the audience and does new-age wisdom and puns based on them. And every once in awhile he even sneaks in something that works as advice -- e.g., "I have bad news, and I have good news. The bad news is, there is no key to the universe. The good news is, it has been left unlocked."


GravatarThe bad news is, there is no key to the universe. The good news is, it has been left unlocked."
filkertom



That's funny!

Thank God W doesn't have a key. We'd all be fucked.


GravatarThe bad news is, there is no key to the universe. The good news is, it has been left unlocked."
filkertom



That's funny!

Thank God W doesn't have a key. We'd all be fucked.


GravatarTransposed a "w" for a "q" there...
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 10:00 am


I dunno, Vick. I thought it was intentional, and rather apt. It is going to be a fuckin' horror show, and I have no idea how they're going to avoid a civil war.


GravatarTransposed a "w" for a "q" there...
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.02.05 - 10:00 am


I dunno, Vick. I thought it was intentional, and rather apt. It is going to be a fuckin' horror show, and I have no idea how they're going to avoid a civil war.


GravatarDamn, I ducked out just as this thread was swinging into the digital camera bit.

It's still going? And the new morning team is Simels and Filker?


GravatarDamn, I ducked out just as this thread was swinging into the digital camera bit.

It's still going? And the new morning team is Simels and Filker?


GravatarFilkertom:
re the Swami --

As they say in the NYTimes, not
reviewed by us.

Is he online somewhere?


GravatarFilkertom:
re the Swami --

As they say in the NYTimes, not
reviewed by us.

Is he online somewhere?


GravatarHey Stranger:
Liked the remixes. Good job!


GravatarHey Stranger:
Liked the remixes. Good job!


GravatarUnlike the "Lambs" story, I can't vouch for the authenticity of this one, and suspect it's apocryphal:

But anyway, this very dignified older lady walks into Tower with an opened copy of Holst's "The Planets."

"I'd like to return this."

"What seems to be the problem?"

"It sticks on Uranus."



::crickets chirping::



"Have you tried wiping gently with a soft cloth, from the center hole out?"


GravatarUnlike the "Lambs" story, I can't vouch for the authenticity of this one, and suspect it's apocryphal:

But anyway, this very dignified older lady walks into Tower with an opened copy of Holst's "The Planets."

"I'd like to return this."

"What seems to be the problem?"

"It sticks on Uranus."



::crickets chirping::



"Have you tried wiping gently with a soft cloth, from the center hole out?"


GravatarHubris -- when my two minutes are up, I have to go bop SteveLG for that "Sheep May Safely Graze" bit. Aiee.

By the way, if, instead of Jodie Foster as Clarisse Starling, it'd starred Charlton Heston as Inspector Thorn, would that first Hannibal Lecter movie been called The Soylents of the Lambs?


GravatarHubris -- when my two minutes are up, I have to go bop SteveLG for that "Sheep May Safely Graze" bit. Aiee.

By the way, if, instead of Jodie Foster as Clarisse Starling, it'd starred Charlton Heston as Inspector Thorn, would that first Hannibal Lecter movie been called The Soylents of the Lambs?


GravatarKarin: re Sullivan's Travels --

I think its one of the best American
comedies ever. That speech the butler
gives about poverty is positively
Shavian.
And its a throwaway.

Sturges was the best....
Ever see The Palm Beach Story?


GravatarKarin: re Sullivan's Travels --

I think its one of the best American
comedies ever. That speech the butler
gives about poverty is positively
Shavian.
And its a throwaway.

Sturges was the best....
Ever see The Palm Beach Story?


GravatarStranger -- those remixes are very good. I don't usually vote in the contests, but I'm gonna today.

Steve S -- right here.


GravatarStranger -- those remixes are very good. I don't usually vote in the contests, but I'm gonna today.

Steve S -- right here.


GravatarBeing the weather maven that I am, I sense we're in for a really weird year weatherwise. Last week, it's zero and snowing. As of Friday, the snow is completely gone, and we're hitting 60 here in Grand Rapids. Last night, we're hit with a hardcore blast of freezing rain. This morning, it's 45 degrees in Grand Rapids and raining mightily.

I think Father Time, being utterly disgusted with the USA for handing Bush four more years to fuck up the world and everything we once knew was good of it, called Mother Nature and asked her to wash away our sins. There is no other explanation. Therefore, the Republican city in which I live is being dumped on for being assholes who voted for Bush.


GravatarBeing the weather maven that I am, I sense we're in for a really weird year weatherwise. Last week, it's zero and snowing. As of Friday, the snow is completely gone, and we're hitting 60 here in Grand Rapids. Last night, we're hit with a hardcore blast of freezing rain. This morning, it's 45 degrees in Grand Rapids and raining mightily.

I think Father Time, being utterly disgusted with the USA for handing Bush four more years to fuck up the world and everything we once knew was good of it, called Mother Nature and asked her to wash away our sins. There is no other explanation. Therefore, the Republican city in which I live is being dumped on for being assholes who voted for Bush.


GravatarSteveLG -- that distant kerthlup you hear is my brain collapsing. Hee.


GravatarSteveLG -- that distant kerthlup you hear is my brain collapsing. Hee.


GravatarSteve -Thanks!

The Nirvana one wasn't exactly a mashup - more like a borrowed song structure.

That's one leathery vocal by Charlie, no? Been running through my head a cappella for almost two weeks now.

Filkertom - didn't know you were a fellow Acid head!


GravatarSteve -Thanks!

The Nirvana one wasn't exactly a mashup - more like a borrowed song structure.

That's one leathery vocal by Charlie, no? Been running through my head a cappella for almost two weeks now.

Filkertom - didn't know you were a fellow Acid head!


GravatarFilkertom:

Stop. You're killing me!!!


GravatarFilkertom:

Stop. You're killing me!!!


GravatarI'm beginning to get over my post-election funk and get energized again at the beginning of the new year.

I'm determined that I will do everything I can to oppose the Fourth Reich in Washington and their religious right Taliban allies.

I'm not prepared to cede this country to a Theocracy of corporate greed and religious conformity. I'll fight it to the last breath.

America's true ideals are worth fighting for. We need to be there with sensible and practical solutions when the majority of the country awakes from the national sleepwalk and realizes what has been done to them.

My principles and spiritual beliefs are too strong and powerful to give up.

From Norman Mailer: "Put your fungers in a V for victory and give a wink. We yet may win, the others are so stupid. Heaven help us when we do.


GravatarI'm beginning to get over my post-election funk and get energized again at the beginning of the new year.

I'm determined that I will do everything I can to oppose the Fourth Reich in Washington and their religious right Taliban allies.

I'm not prepared to cede this country to a Theocracy of corporate greed and religious conformity. I'll fight it to the last breath.

America's true ideals are worth fighting for. We need to be there with sensible and practical solutions when the majority of the country awakes from the national sleepwalk and realizes what has been done to them.

My principles and spiritual beliefs are too strong and powerful to give up.

From Norman Mailer: "Put your fungers in a V for victory and give a wink. We yet may win, the others are so stupid. Heaven help us when we do.


GravatarThat's "fingers" although you can put your fungers in a "V" also.


GravatarThat's "fingers" although you can put your fungers in a "V" also.


GravatarYup, no doubt about it anymore. Many of my fellow democratic bros and bras have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after the last three stolen elections.


GravatarYup, no doubt about it anymore. Many of my fellow democratic bros and bras have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after the last three stolen elections.


GravatarEpenephrin Cymbalist.

Junior.


GravatarEpenephrin Cymbalist.

Junior.


GravatarThat's "fingers" although you can put your fungers in a "V" also.
Toes


Irony, coming from "Toes."


GravatarThat's "fingers" although you can put your fungers in a "V" also.
Toes


Irony, coming from "Toes."


GravatarDon't you all realize that Powell is on Meat the Whore right this very minute??


GravatarDon't you all realize that Powell is on Meat the Whore right this very minute??


GravatarToes:

Actually, fungers kind of made
sense to me.


GravatarToes:

Actually, fungers kind of made
sense to me.


GravatarStranger -- Yep, I do almost everything in that these days. I don't hang out much on AcidPlanet, though, because of the preponderance of dance/trance styles (if that happens to be a misapprehension on my part, please do let me know). I'm working on some ambient stuff, soundtracky, but mostly folk-rock and blues, so I didn't know how well it would go over.


GravatarStranger -- Yep, I do almost everything in that these days. I don't hang out much on AcidPlanet, though, because of the preponderance of dance/trance styles (if that happens to be a misapprehension on my part, please do let me know). I'm working on some ambient stuff, soundtracky, but mostly folk-rock and blues, so I didn't know how well it would go over.


Gravatarincog- the weekend has been televised benefit shows here. still raising big bucks (and one of these days I'll get the division right)

And you could tell within 12 hours of the earthquake how bad this was going to be. Though the satellite photos of Banda Aceh are still dumbfounding. Like an atomic blast went off.

But a week later and with many cameramen accompanying them, the 12 anti-submarine warfare Seahawk helicopters off the USS Abraham Lincoln are finally getting to the relief job. Half of why they are there is PR for the Busheviks.

Though if ya don't notice the Little Green Raelians mentioning any other countries contributions (including transport planes, naval vessels and helicopters), tell 'em that the US is finally getting around to doing the right thing... sort of... (god knows what programs have suddenly been short funded to support SEAsia)... and the US is but one of many.


Gravatarincog- the weekend has been televised benefit shows here. still raising big bucks (and one of these days I'll get the division right)

And you could tell within 12 hours of the earthquake how bad this was going to be. Though the satellite photos of Banda Aceh are still dumbfounding. Like an atomic blast went off.

But a week later and with many cameramen accompanying them, the 12 anti-submarine warfare Seahawk helicopters off the USS Abraham Lincoln are finally getting to the relief job. Half of why they are there is PR for the Busheviks.

Though if ya don't notice the Little Green Raelians mentioning any other countries contributions (including transport planes, naval vessels and helicopters), tell 'em that the US is finally getting around to doing the right thing... sort of... (god knows what programs have suddenly been short funded to support SEAsia)... and the US is but one of many.


GravatarOh, jeebus...now I can't help myself. It's like eating peanuts.

"Tower Records: Stories from the Pop Side."

So, I'm filing jazz and vocals when this very elderly granny comes up to my colleague, Gabe, holding a computer printout.

"Do you have...." she looks doubtfully at the page, "...Danzig?"

Gabe is flummoxed but takes her over to the Danzig section.

The old lady looks over the CDs and says: "What kind of music is this?"

"Well, uh... it's, erm, uh... I mean..."

"Is it... devil music??

Yes, ma'am!!

Have to wonder if that lady's home was missing any household pets.


GravatarOh, jeebus...now I can't help myself. It's like eating peanuts.

"Tower Records: Stories from the Pop Side."

So, I'm filing jazz and vocals when this very elderly granny comes up to my colleague, Gabe, holding a computer printout.

"Do you have...." she looks doubtfully at the page, "...Danzig?"

Gabe is flummoxed but takes her over to the Danzig section.

The old lady looks over the CDs and says: "What kind of music is this?"

"Well, uh... it's, erm, uh... I mean..."

"Is it... devil music??

Yes, ma'am!!

Have to wonder if that lady's home was missing any household pets.


GravatarThe Palm Beach Story is great, but The Great McGinty might be my favorite. I love the fast patter.


GravatarThe Palm Beach Story is great, but The Great McGinty might be my favorite. I love the fast patter.


GravatarYup, no doubt about it anymore. Many of my fellow democratic bros and bras have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after the last three stolen elections.
Ô¿Ô


Oh yes, my little bro. Although I stayed busy throughout the day yesterday, I ended up in a real funk once I finally settled down for the evening. I don't feel much hope for 2005, on a national level. I'm very sad.

I heard a little bitch of the simian's radio address yesterday, and I damn near broke into tears. My daughter looked at me and said, "Mom, we have to listen to that terrible man's awful voice for the next four years?"

I nodded.

He sounds like a dry drunk on a tirade, the way he emphasizes words and over-annunciates certain sounds.

Don't get me goin...


GravatarYup, no doubt about it anymore. Many of my fellow democratic bros and bras have Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after the last three stolen elections.
Ô¿Ô


Oh yes, my little bro. Although I stayed busy throughout the day yesterday, I ended up in a real funk once I finally settled down for the evening. I don't feel much hope for 2005, on a national level. I'm very sad.

I heard a little bitch of the simian's radio address yesterday, and I damn near broke into tears. My daughter looked at me and said, "Mom, we have to listen to that terrible man's awful voice for the next four years?"

I nodded.

He sounds like a dry drunk on a tirade, the way he emphasizes words and over-annunciates certain sounds.

Don't get me goin...


GravatarFilker -

I'm not on AcidPlanet that much, either - this is the first contest I've entered since 1999/2000. You are correct about the heavy leaning toward dance/house/electronica there, and that really ain't me.

I do love the software, tho.

Ambient blues? Intriguing. If I can ever contribute a track, let me know.

(And thank you for the review, too.)


GravatarFilker -

I'm not on AcidPlanet that much, either - this is the first contest I've entered since 1999/2000. You are correct about the heavy leaning toward dance/house/electronica there, and that really ain't me.

I do love the software, tho.

Ambient blues? Intriguing. If I can ever contribute a track, let me know.

(And thank you for the review, too.)


Gravatarstranger -- now, that's funny. I hadn't thought of "ambient blues", but you said the phrase, and now I've got two different ideas in my head. Thanks, guy.


Gravatarstranger -- now, that's funny. I hadn't thought of "ambient blues", but you said the phrase, and now I've got two different ideas in my head. Thanks, guy.


GravatarKarin:
Oh god, McGinty's great too.

I keeping meaning to get a hold
of Sturges autobiography.
It's called "Between Flops."


GravatarKarin:
Oh god, McGinty's great too.

I keeping meaning to get a hold
of Sturges autobiography.
It's called "Between Flops."


GravatarVicki -- chin up, babe. We're the good guys, and we will find a way to win.

We'll talk in the next day or three, and start setting up stuff, 'kay?


GravatarVicki -- chin up, babe. We're the good guys, and we will find a way to win.

We'll talk in the next day or three, and start setting up stuff, 'kay?


GravatarTom - Daai Tou Laam, that entire area collectively had the resources for an early warning system of a tsunami but neglected doing so.


GravatarTom - Daai Tou Laam, that entire area collectively had the resources for an early warning system of a tsunami but neglected doing so.


GravatarVicki, don't you hate the way he latches onto these 'catch phrases' and uses them over and over to mean exactly the opposite of what the actually mean?

In particular I'm thinking of the way he says "I welcome..." as in:

"I welcome that question" at a press conference, meaning: "You'll never get called on again."

"I welcome the opportunity to co-operate with [the congress/the international community/the whatever] on this issue," meaning "I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, and y'all better get with the program."


GravatarVicki, don't you hate the way he latches onto these 'catch phrases' and uses them over and over to mean exactly the opposite of what the actually mean?

In particular I'm thinking of the way he says "I welcome..." as in:

"I welcome that question" at a press conference, meaning: "You'll never get called on again."

"I welcome the opportunity to co-operate with [the congress/the international community/the whatever] on this issue," meaning "I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, and y'all better get with the program."


GravatarHe sounds like a dry drunk on a tirade

Because he is.


GravatarHe sounds like a dry drunk on a tirade

Because he is.


GravatarThe US has had early warning systems in place for tsumanis here in offshore quake fault lines since the 60s.


GravatarThe US has had early warning systems in place for tsumanis here in offshore quake fault lines since the 60s.


GravatarOkay, now I really do have to go.

Feeling brunchy.


GravatarOkay, now I really do have to go.

Feeling brunchy.


Gravatarfilkertom, I have saved your number ~ just been busy, and my daughter's been on-line more than I have in the last week ~ in which case, no phone calls can be made (I need to escape from dial-up, and AOL, actually. Can you recommend a reasonably priced alternative that has good virus protection?)...

anyway, chin up. You are a positive inspiration, btw. Soon, I'm going to have to head into work for a few hours so I can take Monday and Tuesday off, too.

Looking for a new job in '05, and I'm ready for romance, so those two things are positive.

Anyone think Al Gore will run in '08? If he's his own man (not allowing the DLC to dictate his message/vision) and follows his heart, I think he'd be a damned good candidate. From a female perspective, way sexier than John Kerry. (I loke wonks ~ who knew?)Although I like Kerry ~ just didn't like the way he articulated the platform.


Gravatarfilkertom, I have saved your number ~ just been busy, and my daughter's been on-line more than I have in the last week ~ in which case, no phone calls can be made (I need to escape from dial-up, and AOL, actually. Can you recommend a reasonably priced alternative that has good virus protection?)...

anyway, chin up. You are a positive inspiration, btw. Soon, I'm going to have to head into work for a few hours so I can take Monday and Tuesday off, too.

Looking for a new job in '05, and I'm ready for romance, so those two things are positive.

Anyone think Al Gore will run in '08? If he's his own man (not allowing the DLC to dictate his message/vision) and follows his heart, I think he'd be a damned good candidate. From a female perspective, way sexier than John Kerry. (I loke wonks ~ who knew?)Although I like Kerry ~ just didn't like the way he articulated the platform.


GravatarMmmm... fooooood. Catch you all later.


GravatarMmmm... fooooood. Catch you all later.


Gravatardon't you hate the way he latches onto these 'catch phrases' and uses them over and over to mean exactly the opposite of what the actually mean?


Yep. When he was using "mandate" and "political capital" on a daily basis a few weeks back, I wanted to choke on a pretzel to put myself out of the misery he inflicts.

He's the king of misintended buzz words.


Gravatardon't you hate the way he latches onto these 'catch phrases' and uses them over and over to mean exactly the opposite of what the actually mean?


Yep. When he was using "mandate" and "political capital" on a daily basis a few weeks back, I wanted to choke on a pretzel to put myself out of the misery he inflicts.

He's the king of misintended buzz words.


GravatarVicki, you're right, the Shrub pauses and carefully over-enunciates any difficult words, just like all drunks.


GravatarVicki, you're right, the Shrub pauses and carefully over-enunciates any difficult words, just like all drunks.


Gravatar.
"NEW YEARS RESOLUTIONS (FOR OTHER PEOPLE (WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE))"
.


Gravatar.
"NEW YEARS RESOLUTIONS (FOR OTHER PEOPLE (WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE))"
.


GravatarOK, one last "Blue-Hairs at Tower" story. Forgive me... it's absolutely true.

Old lady walks up to me and says: "Young man," (this proves that she was truly ancient) "can you help me find a record by..." (looks at note) "...Peach Jam?"

I don't know much about pop culture, but because they had a new CD out I said, "Could that be: Pearl Jam?"

"That's what it says," she admitted, "...but that doesn't make any sense."

Then there was the Thanksgiving Week when the "Top Three" CDs were Smashing Pumpkins, The Cranberries and Meat Loaf.

Or the week when the Top Twenty-five included Cheryl Crowe, The Counting Crows, The Black Crowes and the Soundtrack to "The Crow."


I'll retire to Bedlam now.


GravatarOK, one last "Blue-Hairs at Tower" story. Forgive me... it's absolutely true.

Old lady walks up to me and says: "Young man," (this proves that she was truly ancient) "can you help me find a record by..." (looks at note) "...Peach Jam?"

I don't know much about pop culture, but because they had a new CD out I said, "Could that be: Pearl Jam?"

"That's what it says," she admitted, "...but that doesn't make any sense."

Then there was the Thanksgiving Week when the "Top Three" CDs were Smashing Pumpkins, The Cranberries and Meat Loaf.

Or the week when the Top Twenty-five included Cheryl Crowe, The Counting Crows, The Black Crowes and the Soundtrack to "The Crow."


I'll retire to Bedlam now.


GravatarFeeling brunchy.

I'm not touching this.


GravatarFeeling brunchy.

I'm not touching this.


GravatarHey Vicki, just sent you a morning e-mail. Back later.


GravatarHey Vicki, just sent you a morning e-mail. Back later.


Gravatari been negotiating with myself all night....& boy are my arms tired!!!!


Gravatari been negotiating with myself all night....& boy are my arms tired!!!!


GravatarSteveLG,
I resolve to call them Peach Jam henceforth....


GravatarSteveLG,
I resolve to call them Peach Jam henceforth....


GravatarVicki,
I don't know about Gore, though I think you're right about the sexy thing. We'll have to see what he does with himself in the coming years.


GravatarVicki,
I don't know about Gore, though I think you're right about the sexy thing. We'll have to see what he does with himself in the coming years.


GravatarFor some reason the deep despair I have been feeling since 11/3 is beginning to lighten. I have to say, I never get depressed for more than a day or two. This has been completely out of character for me. Part of the reason is the way the press has picked up on the the maladministration's response to the tragedy in Asia. That plus the reaction to the inaugaral extravaganza has been heartening.

The $100M they have earmarked to convince the masses that SS needs "reform" does scare me. Will the sheeple really be that foolish?

Where is John Kerry and the other dems. You never hear a word. Kerry could have used his near win as springboard for a bully pulpit and he would have gotten press time. Instead he has been AWOL.


GravatarFor some reason the deep despair I have been feeling since 11/3 is beginning to lighten. I have to say, I never get depressed for more than a day or two. This has been completely out of character for me. Part of the reason is the way the press has picked up on the the maladministration's response to the tragedy in Asia. That plus the reaction to the inaugaral extravaganza has been heartening.

The $100M they have earmarked to convince the masses that SS needs "reform" does scare me. Will the sheeple really be that foolish?

Where is John Kerry and the other dems. You never hear a word. Kerry could have used his near win as springboard for a bully pulpit and he would have gotten press time. Instead he has been AWOL.


GravatarKarin,

I knew I "misoverestimated" (sic. Bushism) the word "annunciate" for a more meaningful word ~ enunciate!

Damn, brain cells heading to hell.


GravatarKarin,

I knew I "misoverestimated" (sic. Bushism) the word "annunciate" for a more meaningful word ~ enunciate!

Damn, brain cells heading to hell.


GravatarWell, obviously it's always been hard for any thinking person listening to Bush speak. What's new?


GravatarWell, obviously it's always been hard for any thinking person listening to Bush speak. What's new?


GravatarThe old mainstream media is an abomination. Totally BIASED to the FAR LEFT, anti-American, anti-Christian and anti-military! My friends and I are carefully teaching our children the TRUTH about the media and academia! God Bless traditional America!


GravatarThe old mainstream media is an abomination. Totally BIASED to the FAR LEFT, anti-American, anti-Christian and anti-military! My friends and I are carefully teaching our children the TRUTH about the media and academia! God Bless traditional America!


GravatarThe $100M they have earmarked to convince the masses that SS needs "reform" does scare me. Will the sheeple really be that foolish?

Yeah. The public has already forgotten about the dot.com meltdown just two years ago. That's why the administration held off from pushing it just prior to the meltdown to once again pushing it.


GravatarThe $100M they have earmarked to convince the masses that SS needs "reform" does scare me. Will the sheeple really be that foolish?

Yeah. The public has already forgotten about the dot.com meltdown just two years ago. That's why the administration held off from pushing it just prior to the meltdown to once again pushing it.


GravatarHoward Bixler, and how's your Iraqi war going? Our troop's guts hanging out and all?


GravatarHoward Bixler, and how's your Iraqi war going? Our troop's guts hanging out and all?


GravatarJeez, I hope Bixler is showing his kids the truth about guts hanging of our troops in Iraq.


GravatarJeez, I hope Bixler is showing his kids the truth about guts hanging of our troops in Iraq.


GravatarDamn, brain cells heading to hell.
I guess annunciate is a combination of announce and enunciate. Anyway, we know what you meant.


GravatarDamn, brain cells heading to hell.
I guess annunciate is a combination of announce and enunciate. Anyway, we know what you meant.


GravatarThere's some livers hanging out of our troops, too, there Blixer.


GravatarThere's some livers hanging out of our troops, too, there Blixer.


GravatarÔ¿Ô, you know what they say. Feed them once, and they'll keep coming back.


GravatarÔ¿Ô, you know what they say. Feed them once, and they'll keep coming back.


GravatarMy friends and I are carefully teaching our children the TRUTH about the media and academia! God Bless traditional America!

What are your children going to say when they get drafted to go to Iraq?

What are your children going to say when they are paying back the debt that you "traditional Americans" are running up? Especially when we explain to them that the budget was balanced and a viable plan was put forward to RETIRE the NATIONAL DEBT and "traditional Americans" decided to destroy the economy and treasury with irresponsible tax cuts.

What are your children going to say when Social Security goes belly up because of the "traditional Americans" raided it to pay off the current follies of "traditional America"?


GravatarMy friends and I are carefully teaching our children the TRUTH about the media and academia! God Bless traditional America!

What are your children going to say when they get drafted to go to Iraq?

What are your children going to say when they are paying back the debt that you "traditional Americans" are running up? Especially when we explain to them that the budget was balanced and a viable plan was put forward to RETIRE the NATIONAL DEBT and "traditional Americans" decided to destroy the economy and treasury with irresponsible tax cuts.

What are your children going to say when Social Security goes belly up because of the "traditional Americans" raided it to pay off the current follies of "traditional America"?


GravatarMy children and I say "up yours", Mr. Liberal. We have a mandate, and you do not. We have morals, and you do not. We have strong steady leadership, you offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.


GravatarMy children and I say "up yours", Mr. Liberal. We have a mandate, and you do not. We have morals, and you do not. We have strong steady leadership, you offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.


GravatarMy children and I say "up yours", Mr. Liberal.

Nice potty-mouthed kids you got, there, Mr. Morals.


GravatarMy children and I say "up yours", Mr. Liberal.

Nice potty-mouthed kids you got, there, Mr. Morals.


Gravatarhoward brixler recycled his comment from yesterday... how imaginative..


Gravatarhoward brixler recycled his comment from yesterday... how imaginative..


GravatarWe have strong steady leadership, you offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.

rhetoric.


GravatarWe have strong steady leadership, you offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.

rhetoric.


Gravatarhowrad bixler recycles his comment from yesterday...how imaginative


Gravatarhowrad bixler recycles his comment from yesterday...how imaginative


GravatarWe have strong steady leadership, you offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.

rhetoric


GravatarWe have strong steady leadership, you offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.

rhetoric


GravatarI can't believe I wasted my time answering Howie.

With a name like Howie, I bet you got your ass beat a lot growing up, din't you Howie?


GravatarI can't believe I wasted my time answering Howie.

With a name like Howie, I bet you got your ass beat a lot growing up, din't you Howie?


Gravatar"retorick" is what Yorick taught Hamlet.

Do fundamentalists go to non-fundamentalist doctors?


Gravatar"retorick" is what Yorick taught Hamlet.

Do fundamentalists go to non-fundamentalist doctors?


Gravataryou offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.
Howard Bixler

Different name, same old troll. It's going to be interesting how the creepy little Republicans will react when their sponsors don't need them any more. That kind are always first to find their inner socialist when the dole lines form. That is AFTER they've pushed themselves to the front of the line.

Kids? I don't think so. This is a highschool brat or a college freshman. No kids he's supporting never mind taking care of while they've got the stomach flu.


Gravataryou offered nothing but socialism and hate-America, hate-Christian retorick.
Howard Bixler

Different name, same old troll. It's going to be interesting how the creepy little Republicans will react when their sponsors don't need them any more. That kind are always first to find their inner socialist when the dole lines form. That is AFTER they've pushed themselves to the front of the line.

Kids? I don't think so. This is a highschool brat or a college freshman. No kids he's supporting never mind taking care of while they've got the stomach flu.


Gravatar"retorick" is what Yorick taught Hamlet.

Do fundamentalists go to non-fundamentalist doctors?


Gravatar"retorick" is what Yorick taught Hamlet.

Do fundamentalists go to non-fundamentalist doctors?


GravatarDo fundamentalists go to non-fundamentalist doctors?

The fundemented prefer faith-healers as they are cheaper and less invasive.


GravatarDo fundamentalists go to non-fundamentalist doctors?

The fundemented prefer faith-healers as they are cheaper and less invasive.


GravatarVicki - It's ok. I started off yesterday crying a little, too. But we just have to get up again and keep trying. That's all we can do.


GravatarVicki - It's ok. I started off yesterday crying a little, too. But we just have to get up again and keep trying. That's all we can do.


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GravatarNobody likes me because I'm a homosexual.


GravatarNobody likes me because I'm a homosexual.


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