Lidddyyyy!!!!!!!!
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 10:55 am | #
Lidddyyyy!!!!!!!!
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 10:55 am | #
Apparently anyone hired by the Dean campaign deserves a slap on the wrist. Simply for being hired by the Dean campaign. Another day, another dose of bullshit.
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 10:58 am | #
Apparently anyone hired by the Dean campaign deserves a slap on the wrist. Simply for being hired by the Dean campaign. Another day, another dose of bullshit.
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 10:58 am | #
I think the day has officially come that the blogosphere has taken itself too seriously.
Ryan |
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01.15.05 - 11:01 am | #
I think the day has officially come that the blogosphere has taken itself too seriously.
Ryan |
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01.15.05 - 11:01 am | #
If the two men were journalists, those disclosures would be woefully insufficient. But Armstrong and Moulitsas aren't journalists. Nor does having a blog make someone a journalist.
What the hell is this nonissue not about?
Armstrong Williams IS a journalist and commentator, he was bribed. Period. He took payola to advance the Bush Admnistration's policies, and he did not disclose that to his audience.
How in god's green teeth is this in anyway connected to Jerome and Marcos???
It isn't.
In the Rovian world, it's how you deflect attention from a stinking controversy:
"I know you are, but what am I!"
And the asshole who wrote that piece isn't as good a journalist as Jerome or Marcos are on their worst day.
I really, really detest these people.
Shaw Kenawe |
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01.15.05 - 11:02 am | #
If the two men were journalists, those disclosures would be woefully insufficient. But Armstrong and Moulitsas aren't journalists. Nor does having a blog make someone a journalist.
What the hell is this nonissue not about?
Armstrong Williams IS a journalist and commentator, he was bribed. Period. He took payola to advance the Bush Admnistration's policies, and he did not disclose that to his audience.
How in god's green teeth is this in anyway connected to Jerome and Marcos???
It isn't.
In the Rovian world, it's how you deflect attention from a stinking controversy:
"I know you are, but what am I!"
And the asshole who wrote that piece isn't as good a journalist as Jerome or Marcos are on their worst day.
I really, really detest these people.
Shaw Kenawe |
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01.15.05 - 11:02 am | #
All this noise simply to distract from Armstrong Williams.
Your smearing of Kos by regurgitating dishonest right-wing spin is absolutely and thoroughly disgusting.
Usually when dishonest right-wing propagandists and their presstitutes in the so-called “liberal media,” such as yourself, try to pull the lame “Both sides do it” routine, they take some massive ethical breach committed by someone on the right and compare it to something a Dem did that, at worst, was slightly questionable. It’s like pointing at two people – one is Ted Bundy, the other someone who once shoplifted a CD as a teenager – and screaming, “Look! They’re both criminals!” Well, technically they are – but anyone with even a smidgen of intelligence and common sense knows there’s a huge difference between a serial killer and a shoplifter.
Your attempt at smearing Kos in the wake of the Armstrong Williams brouhaha is even lamer than the usual dishonest “Both sides do it” rationalization. This time it’s like comparing Ted Bundy to someone who “snatched a CD and ran out of a music store” – and then later on you grudgingly admit that after “snatching” the CD, but before running out of the store, the person stopped and paid the cashier for the CD.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for presstituting yourself to right-wing propagandists.
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Mr. Suellentrop,
Given the facts of the Kos case, your last line is really ridiculous:
“Until names are named, we can assume every Daily Kos candidate this past election wrote him a check for his consulting work.”
Uh, Kos disclosed long ago and on numerous occasions, both on the blog itself and to members of the press, that he’d gotten checks from the Dean campaign. So the logical conclusion, since Kos was upfront about the checks without anyone pressuring him to come clean, is that no Daily Kos candidate wrote him a check unless he stated upfront that that was the case.
So, Mr. Suellentrop, you’re either lacking in basic logic or you are thoroughly and utterly dishonest. Which is it?
monchie b. monchum |
01.15.05 - 11:06 am | #
I wrote 2 letters to this wanker:
Mr. Sullentrop:
Your smearing of Kos by regurgitating dishonest right-wing spin is absolutely and thoroughly disgusting.
Usually when dishonest right-wing propagandists and their presstitutes in the so-called “liberal media,” such as yourself, try to pull the lame “Both sides do it” routine, they take some massive ethical breach committed by someone on the right and compare it to something a Dem did that, at worst, was slightly questionable. It’s like pointing at two people – one is Ted Bundy, the other someone who once shoplifted a CD as a teenager – and screaming, “Look! They’re both criminals!” Well, technically they are – but anyone with even a smidgen of intelligence and common sense knows there’s a huge difference between a serial killer and a shoplifter.
Your attempt at smearing Kos in the wake of the Armstrong Williams brouhaha is even lamer than the usual dishonest “Both sides do it” rationalization. This time it’s like comparing Ted Bundy to someone who “snatched a CD and ran out of a music store” – and then later on you grudgingly admit that after “snatching” the CD, but before running out of the store, the person stopped and paid the cashier for the CD.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself for presstituting yourself to right-wing propagandists.
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Mr. Suellentrop,
Given the facts of the Kos case, your last line is really ridiculous:
“Until names are named, we can assume every Daily Kos candidate this past election wrote him a check for his consulting work.”
Uh, Kos disclosed long ago and on numerous occasions, both on the blog itself and to members of the press, that he’d gotten checks from the Dean campaign. So the logical conclusion, since Kos was upfront about the checks without anyone pressuring him to come clean, is that no Daily Kos candidate wrote him a check unless he stated upfront that that was the case.
So, Mr. Suellentrop, you’re either lacking in basic logic or you are thoroughly and utterly dishonest. Which is it?
monchie b. monchum |
01.15.05 - 11:06 am | #
OT: has anyone read Bobo today? Oh, pauvre, pauvre femmes! Women growing older without having children! How can this be? Oh wait, that's right. Bobo is a condescending SOB and it's all about the family values:
It might make sense, for example, to give means-tested tax credits or tuition credits to stay-at-home parents. That would subsidize child-rearing, but in a way that leaves it up to families to figure out how to use it. The government spends trillions on retirees, but very little on young families.
I suspect that if more people had the chance to focus exclusively on child-rearing before training for and launching a career, fertility rates would rise. That would be good for the country, for as Phillip Longman, author of "The Empty Cradle," has argued, we are consuming more human capital than we are producing - or to put it another way, we don't have enough young people to support our old people. (That's what the current Social Security debate and the coming Medicare debate are all about.)
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:07 am | #
OT: has anyone read Bobo today? Oh, pauvre, pauvre femmes! Women growing older without having children! How can this be? Oh wait, that's right. Bobo is a condescending SOB and it's all about the family values:
It might make sense, for example, to give means-tested tax credits or tuition credits to stay-at-home parents. That would subsidize child-rearing, but in a way that leaves it up to families to figure out how to use it. The government spends trillions on retirees, but very little on young families.
I suspect that if more people had the chance to focus exclusively on child-rearing before training for and launching a career, fertility rates would rise. That would be good for the country, for as Phillip Longman, author of "The Empty Cradle," has argued, we are consuming more human capital than we are producing - or to put it another way, we don't have enough young people to support our old people. (That's what the current Social Security debate and the coming Medicare debate are all about.)
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:07 am | #
In my entire life (I'm not a youngster) I have NEVER seen such a display of bipartisan hatred and fear as I do toward Howard Dean. I guess in modern Amerika you're better off being a neo-nazi than being a progressive (or even semi progressive) populist. As was said in these comments a year or so ago (before the Iowa shock), when the financial backing data came out and it showed that Dr. Dean got most of his money in small amounts from lots of individual donors, he was marked for defeat by all the shitty power (political, business, and M$media)that is curently floating on the top of the 21 century American cesspool.
Art Vanderlay |
01.15.05 - 11:08 am | #
In my entire life (I'm not a youngster) I have NEVER seen such a display of bipartisan hatred and fear as I do toward Howard Dean. I guess in modern Amerika you're better off being a neo-nazi than being a progressive (or even semi progressive) populist. As was said in these comments a year or so ago (before the Iowa shock), when the financial backing data came out and it showed that Dr. Dean got most of his money in small amounts from lots of individual donors, he was marked for defeat by all the shitty power (political, business, and M$media)that is curently floating on the top of the 21 century American cesspool.
Art Vanderlay |
01.15.05 - 11:08 am | #
I've never thought of bloggers or pundits as journalists. People who opine in any format are analysts, not reporters. Who cares?
M |
01.15.05 - 11:09 am | #
I've never thought of bloggers or pundits as journalists. People who opine in any format are analysts, not reporters. Who cares?
M |
01.15.05 - 11:09 am | #
Methinks Zephyr needs to change her name to Sellout.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:09 am | #
Methinks Zephyr needs to change her name to Sellout.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:09 am | #
I'm willing to let Suellentrop go with a big kick in the ass. It's not his fault he doesn't know a fucking thing and yet still has to write a column. It's tough to be too hard on him.
NTodd |
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01.15.05 - 11:10 am | #
I'm willing to let Suellentrop go with a big kick in the ass. It's not his fault he doesn't know a fucking thing and yet still has to write a column. It's tough to be too hard on him.
NTodd |
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01.15.05 - 11:10 am | #
This just gets funnier and funnier
Avestus |
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01.15.05 - 11:12 am | #
This just gets funnier and funnier
Avestus |
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01.15.05 - 11:12 am | #
I should really be pissed or LMAO at this, but the world from which Sullentrop's inanity is coming from is so alien to me, a person living in a normal, plodding if A=B and B != C then A != C universe, that I am just baffled.
doesn't matter |
01.15.05 - 11:13 am | #
I should really be pissed or LMAO at this, but the world from which Sullentrop's inanity is coming from is so alien to me, a person living in a normal, plodding if A=B and B != C then A != C universe, that I am just baffled.
doesn't matter |
01.15.05 - 11:13 am | #
To date, the largest tsunami ever observed in a teapot.
The pain....the god damn freakin' pain. Why oh why must the media be so FUCKING BLIND?!
Look, you assholes. Yes, Kos and Jerome were hired by the Dean campaign. But Kos said outright, full disclosure, that he worked for them, and made no attempts to HIDE that. Jerome stopped blogging ALTOGETHER, taking him out of the whole blogging loop. And they were paid by the campaign with it's own money.
Armstrong Williams HID his connections, acted like an independant journalist, shilled for something which he was PAID SPECIFICALLY to shill, and was done so with the TAXPAYERS OWN MONEY. Now tell me...how the hell can you act like Kos and Jerome are even EONS close to the ethical fucktitude of Armstrong Williams?
God...I'm seriously about to give up now. The media has proven to me once and for all, truth is second only to the need to smear and shut down the left, and even major scandals can't change that, since all that's needed is a shoddy equivalent on the left to distract and shove the real scandal off the pages and make everyone forget what the whole problem was truely about.
Kryptik |
01.15.05 - 11:14 am | #
The pain....the god damn freakin' pain. Why oh why must the media be so FUCKING BLIND?!
Look, you assholes. Yes, Kos and Jerome were hired by the Dean campaign. But Kos said outright, full disclosure, that he worked for them, and made no attempts to HIDE that. Jerome stopped blogging ALTOGETHER, taking him out of the whole blogging loop. And they were paid by the campaign with it's own money.
Armstrong Williams HID his connections, acted like an independant journalist, shilled for something which he was PAID SPECIFICALLY to shill, and was done so with the TAXPAYERS OWN MONEY. Now tell me...how the hell can you act like Kos and Jerome are even EONS close to the ethical fucktitude of Armstrong Williams?
God...I'm seriously about to give up now. The media has proven to me once and for all, truth is second only to the need to smear and shut down the left, and even major scandals can't change that, since all that's needed is a shoddy equivalent on the left to distract and shove the real scandal off the pages and make everyone forget what the whole problem was truely about.
Kryptik |
01.15.05 - 11:14 am | #
rates would rise. That would be good for the country,
No.It.Would.Not.Be.Good.For.The.Country.
The country, like the world, is already seriously overpopulated by humans, to the point that every day we kill of entire species of plants and animals. To the point that we are clost to having no wilderness left at all. To the point that in about 50-75 years, we'll be fighting wars over water. There's a one-generation problem related to figuring out how to support a group of old people by smaller group of young people. We do NOT need to increase fertility for KALI'S SAKE!!!!
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:16 am | #
rates would rise. That would be good for the country,
No.It.Would.Not.Be.Good.For.The.Country.
The country, like the world, is already seriously overpopulated by humans, to the point that every day we kill of entire species of plants and animals. To the point that we are clost to having no wilderness left at all. To the point that in about 50-75 years, we'll be fighting wars over water. There's a one-generation problem related to figuring out how to support a group of old people by smaller group of young people. We do NOT need to increase fertility for KALI'S SAKE!!!!
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:16 am | #
this whole thing is getting so pathetic, like typewriter versions.
question about this boxer add.
rice won't answer any of this, she'll say something to the effect that she already has at some previous time. or she'll say basically IOKIYAR.
bluesman |
01.15.05 - 11:16 am | #
this whole thing is getting so pathetic, like typewriter versions.
question about this boxer add.
rice won't answer any of this, she'll say something to the effect that she already has at some previous time. or she'll say basically IOKIYAR.
bluesman |
01.15.05 - 11:16 am | #
Sue Ellen Trop is a man?
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:18 am | #
Sue Ellen Trop is a man?
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:18 am | #
Or (apologies to Seinfeld),
"In the Rovian world, it's how you deflect attention from a stinking controversy:"
"Its not me, its you."
~~~
What's also ironic about this twisted issue is reading the words of NRO's resident evil, cackling, crazy, cowboy racist. jonah has lots to say about Markos but claims he barely reads his site/blog. Yeah, right, fatboy.
moeman |
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01.15.05 - 11:18 am | #
Or (apologies to Seinfeld),
"In the Rovian world, it's how you deflect attention from a stinking controversy:"
"Its not me, its you."
~~~
What's also ironic about this twisted issue is reading the words of NRO's resident evil, cackling, crazy, cowboy racist. jonah has lots to say about Markos but claims he barely reads his site/blog. Yeah, right, fatboy.
moeman |
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01.15.05 - 11:18 am | #
OT: has anyone read Bobo today? Oh, pauvre, pauvre femmes! Women growing older without having children! How can this be? Oh wait, that's right. Bobo is a condescending SOB and it's all about the family values:
So, now Bobo wants the government to step in and impose itself on our free markets to promote babymaking?
Earth to Bobo - companies want to nurture fresh young talent so they can make money. Corporate America doesn't give a shit about social engineering and making it easier for women to have kids when they're young, because that doesn't benefit the shareholders.
OT: has anyone read Bobo today? Oh, pauvre, pauvre femmes! Women growing older without having children! How can this be? Oh wait, that's right. Bobo is a condescending SOB and it's all about the family values:
So, now Bobo wants the government to step in and impose itself on our free markets to promote babymaking?
Earth to Bobo - companies want to nurture fresh young talent so they can make money. Corporate America doesn't give a shit about social engineering and making it easier for women to have kids when they're young, because that doesn't benefit the shareholders.
I am coming to the conclusion that even responding to any of these bogus charges is akin to wrestling with a pig--you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
I hate to make the comparison (Godwin, and all that), but it's like being a Jew and defending oneself against a charge of being dirty, or something. There's just no point.
By the way, I detest Jerome Armstrong, and would make him pay me for his political judgements.
Dr. Pedant |
01.15.05 - 11:20 am | #
Shaw Kewanee nails it. Cold.
I am coming to the conclusion that even responding to any of these bogus charges is akin to wrestling with a pig--you both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
I hate to make the comparison (Godwin, and all that), but it's like being a Jew and defending oneself against a charge of being dirty, or something. There's just no point.
By the way, I detest Jerome Armstrong, and would make him pay me for his political judgements.
Dr. Pedant |
01.15.05 - 11:20 am | #
"I have NEVER seen such a display of bipartisan hatred and fear as I do toward Howard Dean."
I hope Dean wins the chair of the DNC. It will be a good place for him to learn something about dealing with the national media. He's a great voice for the 48 percent. He just needs to learn a few martial arts techniques with the nasty national press corps. Go Howard!
M |
01.15.05 - 11:21 am | #
"I have NEVER seen such a display of bipartisan hatred and fear as I do toward Howard Dean."
I hope Dean wins the chair of the DNC. It will be a good place for him to learn something about dealing with the national media. He's a great voice for the 48 percent. He just needs to learn a few martial arts techniques with the nasty national press corps. Go Howard!
M |
01.15.05 - 11:21 am | #
Here's a question: how much money has the Perfesser in Tennessee taken? Is he too embarrassed to address this issue?
Dr. Pedant |
01.15.05 - 11:22 am | #
Here's a question: how much money has the Perfesser in Tennessee taken? Is he too embarrassed to address this issue?
Dr. Pedant |
01.15.05 - 11:22 am | #
I suspect that if more people had the chance to focus exclusively on child-rearing before training for and launching a career, fertility rates would rise
Sigh. Note to Bobo: The race isn't in danger of dying out any time soon. Calm the fuck down about everybody breeding.
I suspect that if more people had the chance to focus exclusively on child-rearing before training for and launching a career, fertility rates would rise
Sigh. Note to Bobo: The race isn't in danger of dying out any time soon. Calm the fuck down about everybody breeding.
It seems as if the problem people are working against here is that the relationship between partisan politics and jouralism (suprisingly enough) hasn't been explored in the mainstream media.
The entire issue is a vacuum and we all know how nature hates a vacuum.
So if you put out enough press releases about Kos and MyDD, you can muddy the debate about the Armstrong Williams issue simply because most people don't have a framework in their minds to deal with it. They're still taking in new information and most aren't going to leap to the defense of Kos or Atrios or any of the other Democratic Party partisan bloggers (I think the term is fairly accurate) because they're doing the mental equivalent of drinking from a firehose.
SWR |
01.15.05 - 11:23 am | #
It seems as if the problem people are working against here is that the relationship between partisan politics and jouralism (suprisingly enough) hasn't been explored in the mainstream media.
The entire issue is a vacuum and we all know how nature hates a vacuum.
So if you put out enough press releases about Kos and MyDD, you can muddy the debate about the Armstrong Williams issue simply because most people don't have a framework in their minds to deal with it. They're still taking in new information and most aren't going to leap to the defense of Kos or Atrios or any of the other Democratic Party partisan bloggers (I think the term is fairly accurate) because they're doing the mental equivalent of drinking from a firehose.
SWR |
01.15.05 - 11:23 am | #
Yeah, I read Bobo's column. Makes me proud to be childless..
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 11:24 am | #
Yeah, I read Bobo's column. Makes me proud to be childless..
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 11:24 am | #
Bobo seems to have read The Handmaid's Tale, if you ask me.
Great. Bobo's answer to the Social Security "crisis": Turn women into brood mares.
What a limp dick he is.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:24 am | #
Bobo seems to have read The Handmaid's Tale, if you ask me.
Great. Bobo's answer to the Social Security "crisis": Turn women into brood mares.
What a limp dick he is.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:24 am | #
Yeah, I read Bobo's column. Makes me proud to be childless.
Shame on you! Selfish, selfish person! Putting your needs before those of the state!
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:25 am | #
Yeah, I read Bobo's column. Makes me proud to be childless.
Shame on you! Selfish, selfish person! Putting your needs before those of the state!
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:25 am | #
Atrios sez:
Armstrong had a blog. He got hired by the Dean campaign. He stopped blogging. For that he deserves a "slap on the wrist"?
Well, yeah. See, he's a L-I_B-E-R-A-L.
Just wait 'til the Slatesters become wholy-owned subsidiaries of the WaPo.
Brooks is outta his fuckin' mind, as usual. Subsidizing families to keep women home so they can have kids--what a great idea! It's just like the Bible says it should be. Please, there are enough people in this world at the moment, and a lot of them shouldn't even be pulling in a breath. I could think of a lot of other things to be spending the money on that would help everyone, not just the fundies who'd love to suck up tax dollars so they could procreate.
Big Daddy Mars |
01.15.05 - 11:26 am | #
Brooks is outta his fuckin' mind, as usual. Subsidizing families to keep women home so they can have kids--what a great idea! It's just like the Bible says it should be. Please, there are enough people in this world at the moment, and a lot of them shouldn't even be pulling in a breath. I could think of a lot of other things to be spending the money on that would help everyone, not just the fundies who'd love to suck up tax dollars so they could procreate.
Big Daddy Mars |
01.15.05 - 11:26 am | #
Are the Dems ever going to organize and understand this pattern of attack and fight back effectively?
Rove's whole strategy is a kind of the best defense is a good offense pattern. It's almost entirely based on the defense mechanism called projection.
I know there are smart people on the Left that can counter this shit. Where the fuck are they?
Of course they will still have the It's The Media Stupid problem to solve.
Memento Mori |
01.15.05 - 11:26 am | #
Are the Dems ever going to organize and understand this pattern of attack and fight back effectively?
Rove's whole strategy is a kind of the best defense is a good offense pattern. It's almost entirely based on the defense mechanism called projection.
I know there are smart people on the Left that can counter this shit. Where the fuck are they?
Of course they will still have the It's The Media Stupid problem to solve.
Memento Mori |
01.15.05 - 11:26 am | #
They are scared do Dean and are now trying to disparage him. they didn't want him to be the Democratic Candidate and they don't want him as head of the DNC. (and he is leading)
I know they are trying to take the heat off the Williams thing but this trash kills two birds with one stone.
Dean FOR DNC!
Erica |
01.15.05 - 11:27 am | #
They are scared do Dean and are now trying to disparage him. they didn't want him to be the Democratic Candidate and they don't want him as head of the DNC. (and he is leading)
I know they are trying to take the heat off the Williams thing but this trash kills two birds with one stone.
Dean FOR DNC!
Erica |
01.15.05 - 11:27 am | #
OK, clearly I need a second cup of coffee injected directly into my spelling vein.
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:27 am | #
OK, clearly I need a second cup of coffee injected directly into my spelling vein.
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:27 am | #
Bobo will never,ever speak for my state.
...even if the only state I got is of mind
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 11:28 am | #
Bobo will never,ever speak for my state.
...even if the only state I got is of mind
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 11:28 am | #
Yeah, I read Bobo's column. Makes me proud to be childless
One wishes Bobo's mother had felt the same way...
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:28 am | #
Yeah, I read Bobo's column. Makes me proud to be childless
One wishes Bobo's mother had felt the same way...
Hecate |
01.15.05 - 11:28 am | #
Hecate
My thoughts precisely
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 11:29 am | #
Hecate
My thoughts precisely
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 11:29 am | #
OT: has anyone read Bobo today? Oh, pauvre, pauvre femmes! Women growing older without having children! How can this be? Oh wait, that's right. Bobo is a condescending SOB and it's all about the family values:
I read Bobo the Babymaker today. I find it amazing coming in the wake of MoDo's incredible, "I cannot get a date" column.
OT: has anyone read Bobo today? Oh, pauvre, pauvre femmes! Women growing older without having children! How can this be? Oh wait, that's right. Bobo is a condescending SOB and it's all about the family values:
I read Bobo the Babymaker today. I find it amazing coming in the wake of MoDo's incredible, "I cannot get a date" column.
"I think the day has officially come that the blogosphere has taken itself too seriously."
--Really?
--Then why have Sullentrop, O'Reilly, Novak, the WSJ, Begala, Hugh Hewitt, all jumped on this and used it to smear Kos, Armstrong, AND Dean?
--God, I just love people who post who don't know WHT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. The Internet is so full of them.
--And Avestus. I want to tell you something, honey. You were really good last night. Next time we get together, I think I'll take you up on your suggestion and NOT bring along my K-Y. But you have to promise me you won't squeal like a pig if it ends up hurting too much this way.
Jeremiah Elias |
01.15.05 - 11:34 am | #
"I think the day has officially come that the blogosphere has taken itself too seriously."
--Really?
--Then why have Sullentrop, O'Reilly, Novak, the WSJ, Begala, Hugh Hewitt, all jumped on this and used it to smear Kos, Armstrong, AND Dean?
--God, I just love people who post who don't know WHT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. The Internet is so full of them.
--And Avestus. I want to tell you something, honey. You were really good last night. Next time we get together, I think I'll take you up on your suggestion and NOT bring along my K-Y. But you have to promise me you won't squeal like a pig if it ends up hurting too much this way.
Jeremiah Elias |
01.15.05 - 11:34 am | #
Hecate,
re: Sue Ellen Trop, I caught that as well when checking the spelling so as to strike out the Sue Ellen and replace it with Ribbon, soley for purposes of breaking Godwin's law.
kent |
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01.15.05 - 11:34 am | #
Hecate,
re: Sue Ellen Trop, I caught that as well when checking the spelling so as to strike out the Sue Ellen and replace it with Ribbon, soley for purposes of breaking Godwin's law.
kent |
Homepage |
01.15.05 - 11:34 am | #
Oh for christ's sake - Bobo's on about the childless? What the hell business is it of his or anyone else's when a couple chooses not to reproduce?
Oh, that's right, the state has a interest in every American woman's womb now.
Ok, but it's kind of amazing that Bobo can read our minds and see there the aching void our decisions have engendered.
Bobo is a wanker deluxe.
Tena |
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01.15.05 - 11:35 am | #
Oh for christ's sake - Bobo's on about the childless? What the hell business is it of his or anyone else's when a couple chooses not to reproduce?
Oh, that's right, the state has a interest in every American woman's womb now.
Ok, but it's kind of amazing that Bobo can read our minds and see there the aching void our decisions have engendered.
Bobo is a wanker deluxe.
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OT -
It appears HaloScan is eating posts today.
I had something about BoBo and 3 1/2 inches...now gone.
Well, that's it then. There just isn't any way around it anymore. We need more death. Not war or disease or executions but a good old fashioned big-ass meteor hits the planet and 95% of everybody bites it. (That's 95% of us bite it 100% not 100% of us bite it 95%. I mean everyone would be on life support, the hospital bills would be astronomical, there wouldn't be anyone to answer the little light and bring you grape juice, not that they ever come when you want them to anyway, not that I'm knocking nurses, they work very hard, don't get me wrong...where was I? Oh yeah) I predict that post apocolyptic fiction will make a come-back soon.
Oh yeah and the rature stuff. Tell everyone they missed it. Yeah, all those UFO abductions? That was it. Not as big a deal as everyone thought but hey, marketing is like that all over ya know? Yep. Show's over.
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01.15.05 - 11:36 am | #
Well, that's it then. There just isn't any way around it anymore. We need more death. Not war or disease or executions but a good old fashioned big-ass meteor hits the planet and 95% of everybody bites it. (That's 95% of us bite it 100% not 100% of us bite it 95%. I mean everyone would be on life support, the hospital bills would be astronomical, there wouldn't be anyone to answer the little light and bring you grape juice, not that they ever come when you want them to anyway, not that I'm knocking nurses, they work very hard, don't get me wrong...where was I? Oh yeah) I predict that post apocolyptic fiction will make a come-back soon.
Oh yeah and the rature stuff. Tell everyone they missed it. Yeah, all those UFO abductions? That was it. Not as big a deal as everyone thought but hey, marketing is like that all over ya know? Yep. Show's over.
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01.15.05 - 11:36 am | #
Sigh. Note to Bobo: The race isn't in danger of dying out any time soon. Calm the fuck down about everybody breeding.
Bobo's not worried about the human race, he's concerned about one splinter of the whole, the 'white' European, 'civilized' race...
he cares bupkis for humanity as a whole...
as if that weren't obvious enough...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono |
01.15.05 - 11:36 am | #
Sigh. Note to Bobo: The race isn't in danger of dying out any time soon. Calm the fuck down about everybody breeding.
Bobo's not worried about the human race, he's concerned about one splinter of the whole, the 'white' European, 'civilized' race...
he cares bupkis for humanity as a whole...
as if that weren't obvious enough...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono |
01.15.05 - 11:36 am | #
All those above who say that it's different because it's Dean or because they're talking about liberals are correct. Slate is garbage even before the WaPo takes full possession. Hate it.
The Bobo column reminds me of what Germaine Greer said when that phony report about the hoplessness of smart womens' ever finding a hubby, "We've won!"
While not proud of being childless it does give me time to consider the quality of the parenting around me. Let's say it's wildly inconsistent. So many seem to be allowing their brats to bring themselves up with the help of TV and DVDs. Their morals, manners and knowlege base are about those of the worst kind of medieval folks. They will usher the United States into the darkest of dark ages. Makes you wonder why their "parents" bothered to breed (in this case it's an accurate description of their mating activities) if they didn't want to parent the kids.
EPT |
01.15.05 - 11:36 am | #
All those above who say that it's different because it's Dean or because they're talking about liberals are correct. Slate is garbage even before the WaPo takes full possession. Hate it.
The Bobo column reminds me of what Germaine Greer said when that phony report about the hoplessness of smart womens' ever finding a hubby, "We've won!"
While not proud of being childless it does give me time to consider the quality of the parenting around me. Let's say it's wildly inconsistent. So many seem to be allowing their brats to bring themselves up with the help of TV and DVDs. Their morals, manners and knowlege base are about those of the worst kind of medieval folks. They will usher the United States into the darkest of dark ages. Makes you wonder why their "parents" bothered to breed (in this case it's an accurate description of their mating activities) if they didn't want to parent the kids.
EPT |
01.15.05 - 11:36 am | #
Hecate, just another non-swallower.
see t-shirt from yesterday.
bluesman |
01.15.05 - 11:37 am | #
Hecate, just another non-swallower.
see t-shirt from yesterday.
bluesman |
01.15.05 - 11:37 am | #
Did someone say blogwhore? (I'm inordinately proud of myself to managing to work the term "pharmakon" into a post about the real world rather than just theory.)
Be warned: this story will piss you off...
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01.15.05 - 11:38 am | #
Did someone say blogwhore? (I'm inordinately proud of myself to managing to work the term "pharmakon" into a post about the real world rather than just theory.)
Be warned: this story will piss you off...
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01.15.05 - 11:38 am | #
This is what I just posted at Gilliard's site:
This tempest in a teapot and smear job is really about all THREE of the following:
1. Taking the focus off Armstrong Williams and possible additional revelations of Bush/media misconduct.
2. Smearing Dean on the eve of what may turn out to be his victory in obtaining the DNC chairmanship (kind of like what was done to him on the eve of Iowa).
3. Smearing the left-wing blogosphere and discrediting it as a source of reliable information and opinion.
From the perspective of the right-wing/anti-Dean/pro-media-political establishment types, this was a BRILLIANT political move. Absolutely BRILLIANT.
The folks at WSJ are evil assholes. But they are brilliant evil assholes (and, you stupid bitch Zephyr, should have known better than to talk with them or tell them ANYTHING.)
I agree with Gilliard. The only way to stop this shit is to fight back, and to fight back HARD.
I believe a defamation lawsuit against O'Reilly, Hewitt, Novak, Sullentrop, Begala, CNN, FOX and the WSJ is in order and will do the trick nicely.
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01.15.05 - 11:38 am | #
This is what I just posted at Gilliard's site:
This tempest in a teapot and smear job is really about all THREE of the following:
1. Taking the focus off Armstrong Williams and possible additional revelations of Bush/media misconduct.
2. Smearing Dean on the eve of what may turn out to be his victory in obtaining the DNC chairmanship (kind of like what was done to him on the eve of Iowa).
3. Smearing the left-wing blogosphere and discrediting it as a source of reliable information and opinion.
From the perspective of the right-wing/anti-Dean/pro-media-political establishment types, this was a BRILLIANT political move. Absolutely BRILLIANT.
The folks at WSJ are evil assholes. But they are brilliant evil assholes (and, you stupid bitch Zephyr, should have known better than to talk with them or tell them ANYTHING.)
I agree with Gilliard. The only way to stop this shit is to fight back, and to fight back HARD.
I believe a defamation lawsuit against O'Reilly, Hewitt, Novak, Sullentrop, Begala, CNN, FOX and the WSJ is in order and will do the trick nicely.
Jeremiah Elias |
01.15.05 - 11:38 am | #
FOR managing, rather.
rorschach |
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FOR managing, rather.
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Bobo's not worried about the human race, he's concerned about one splinter of the whole, the 'white' European, 'civilized' race...
Yep. These are the same people who are obsessed with the fact that the Arabs are outbreeding the Israelis and that Europe is being filled with immigrants who, gasp, marry young and have a lot of children.
SWR |
01.15.05 - 11:39 am | #
Bobo's not worried about the human race, he's concerned about one splinter of the whole, the 'white' European, 'civilized' race...
Yep. These are the same people who are obsessed with the fact that the Arabs are outbreeding the Israelis and that Europe is being filled with immigrants who, gasp, marry young and have a lot of children.
SWR |
01.15.05 - 11:39 am | #
I don't understand why M. Dowd can't get a date. She's got a great new face lift and got that sexy photo in Rolling Stone.
Perhaps Brooks' next column will be about all the children languishing in foster care who aren't being adopted.
M |
01.15.05 - 11:39 am | #
I don't understand why M. Dowd can't get a date. She's got a great new face lift and got that sexy photo in Rolling Stone.
Perhaps Brooks' next column will be about all the children languishing in foster care who aren't being adopted.
M |
01.15.05 - 11:39 am | #
Can we start a fund to give Bobo a sex change so he can stay home barefoot and pregnant? Besides, the discarded penis would be decent chum in my aquarium.
spinoza |
01.15.05 - 11:39 am | #
Can we start a fund to give Bobo a sex change so he can stay home barefoot and pregnant? Besides, the discarded penis would be decent chum in my aquarium.
spinoza |
01.15.05 - 11:39 am | #
Ironically, I seem to be ideal by Brooks's analysis. But can I please, please, pretty please kick him in the balls anyway?
Has the unfortunately named Zephyr been sufficiently thanked for this mess?
I'm with Gilliard ... this precisely why, after I left journalism years ago, I made my flirtation with electoral politics and the campaign whores that work for both sides a short one. Shudder.
megisi |
01.15.05 - 11:40 am | #
Has the unfortunately named Zephyr been sufficiently thanked for this mess?
I'm with Gilliard ... this precisely why, after I left journalism years ago, I made my flirtation with electoral politics and the campaign whores that work for both sides a short one. Shudder.
megisi |
01.15.05 - 11:40 am | #
I don't understand why M. Dowd can't get a date.
I'm not quite sure why Dowd would want to set herself up by writing about it.
Would Pat Buchanan write about how women don't respond to him when he hits on them? How about Rush?
So I'm not that bitter against Dowd for writing that crap about Dean's wife because it's obvious she's more clueless than malevolent. She's writing a gossipy column that belongs in Elle or Cosmo and dropping it into an arena where she's already written some pretty harsh stuff about Bush and can be expected to get jumped on about it.
Why put a "kick me" sign on yourself?
SWR |
01.15.05 - 11:41 am | #
I don't understand why M. Dowd can't get a date.
I'm not quite sure why Dowd would want to set herself up by writing about it.
Would Pat Buchanan write about how women don't respond to him when he hits on them? How about Rush?
So I'm not that bitter against Dowd for writing that crap about Dean's wife because it's obvious she's more clueless than malevolent. She's writing a gossipy column that belongs in Elle or Cosmo and dropping it into an arena where she's already written some pretty harsh stuff about Bush and can be expected to get jumped on about it.
Why put a "kick me" sign on yourself?
SWR |
01.15.05 - 11:41 am | #
But can I please, please, pretty please kick him in the balls anyway?
I have a pair of steel-toed boots you can borrow.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:42 am | #
But can I please, please, pretty please kick him in the balls anyway?
I have a pair of steel-toed boots you can borrow.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 11:42 am | #
Time to rename the verb 'blogwhore' to zephyr or teachout?
~~~
Also, the newly re-re-tightened and smoother leather-faced michael douglas redefines the word sexagenarian.
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01.15.05 - 11:42 am | #
Time to rename the verb 'blogwhore' to zephyr or teachout?
~~~
Also, the newly re-re-tightened and smoother leather-faced michael douglas redefines the word sexagenarian.
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01.15.05 - 11:42 am | #
Besides, the discarded penis would be decent chum in my aquarium.
Piranha's I presume?
kent |
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01.15.05 - 11:43 am | #
Besides, the discarded penis would be decent chum in my aquarium.
Piranha's I presume?
kent |
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01.15.05 - 11:43 am | #
Of course they will still have the It's The Media Stupid problem to solve.
In 2004 over $1,200,000,000 was burned for the presidential race alone. I do not recall any flag-waving graphic on my tv screen saying "We have been paid X million by Y and Z, but it's only money."
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01.15.05 - 11:43 am | #
Of course they will still have the It's The Media Stupid problem to solve.
In 2004 over $1,200,000,000 was burned for the presidential race alone. I do not recall any flag-waving graphic on my tv screen saying "We have been paid X million by Y and Z, but it's only money."
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01.15.05 - 11:43 am | #
WGG - Bobo's not worried about the human race, he's concerned about one splinter of the whole, the 'white' European, 'civilized' race...
he cares bupkis for humanity as a whole...
as if that weren't obvious enough...
It's the Pat Buchanan approach to reproduction: You white people get busy. The brown and the black people are fucking like rabbits and the exalted white race is going to disappear if you don't have babies, damn it.
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01.15.05 - 11:43 am | #
WGG - Bobo's not worried about the human race, he's concerned about one splinter of the whole, the 'white' European, 'civilized' race...
he cares bupkis for humanity as a whole...
as if that weren't obvious enough...
It's the Pat Buchanan approach to reproduction: You white people get busy. The brown and the black people are fucking like rabbits and the exalted white race is going to disappear if you don't have babies, damn it.
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01.15.05 - 11:43 am | #
sorry about the tag mishap in that comment.
Haloscan, if I give you chocolates and flowers, will you recognize my tags and quit eating my comments?
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01.15.05 - 11:44 am | #
sorry about the tag mishap in that comment.
Haloscan, if I give you chocolates and flowers, will you recognize my tags and quit eating my comments?
Tena |
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01.15.05 - 11:44 am | #
Bobo - think Romania. Not a real fuckin' good idea. The planet is hideously over-populated as it is, and a depressingly huge number of those reproducing have absolutely no business being parents. I work in a school; take my word for it, it's not the kids, it's the parents. The planet cannot sustain the numbers now. What the hell do the fundies think they are leaving to their offspring? And if they expect to be raputed any day now, why are they worried about reproducing anyway?
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01.15.05 - 11:44 am | #
Bobo - think Romania. Not a real fuckin' good idea. The planet is hideously over-populated as it is, and a depressingly huge number of those reproducing have absolutely no business being parents. I work in a school; take my word for it, it's not the kids, it's the parents. The planet cannot sustain the numbers now. What the hell do the fundies think they are leaving to their offspring? And if they expect to be raputed any day now, why are they worried about reproducing anyway?
Green |
01.15.05 - 11:44 am | #
You know, I had a child, and I love him beyond words, and raising him was both the most difficult and the best thing I've ever done.
But I'm not going to say it was a barrell of continuous fun, nor am I going to say that my life's been empty since we went off to college, got a job, got married, and has his own life.
I love it when we get together, but I also like having some time to take care of myself, do what I want when I want, spend money on myself, etc.
I wonder just how many hours a day Bobo actually spends doing the work of childrearing. In my experience, those who chant the most ecstatically about childrearing often do the least amount of it.
You know, I had a child, and I love him beyond words, and raising him was both the most difficult and the best thing I've ever done.
But I'm not going to say it was a barrell of continuous fun, nor am I going to say that my life's been empty since we went off to college, got a job, got married, and has his own life.
I love it when we get together, but I also like having some time to take care of myself, do what I want when I want, spend money on myself, etc.
I wonder just how many hours a day Bobo actually spends doing the work of childrearing. In my experience, those who chant the most ecstatically about childrearing often do the least amount of it.
"Can we start a fund to give Bobo a sex change so he can stay home barefoot and pregnant?"
Sully could tell him what it's like to be bare assed and prognathous in the area.
EPT |
01.15.05 - 11:45 am | #
"Can we start a fund to give Bobo a sex change so he can stay home barefoot and pregnant?"
Sully could tell him what it's like to be bare assed and prognathous in the area.
EPT |
01.15.05 - 11:45 am | #
It's the Pat Buchanan approach to reproduction: You white people get busy.
Of course Buchanan himself has been shooting blanks. (Thank God.)
spinoza |
01.15.05 - 11:45 am | #
It's the Pat Buchanan approach to reproduction: You white people get busy.
Of course Buchanan himself has been shooting blanks. (Thank God.)
spinoza |
01.15.05 - 11:45 am | #
I don't know about actually dating MoDo, but I easily could be persuaded to do her...Word to MoDo: I'll meet ya at the airport...bring slinky lingerie...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono |
01.15.05 - 11:46 am | #
I don't know about actually dating MoDo, but I easily could be persuaded to do her...Word to MoDo: I'll meet ya at the airport...bring slinky lingerie...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono |
01.15.05 - 11:46 am | #
Ironically, I seem to be ideal by Brooks's analysis. But can I please, please, pretty please kick him in the balls anyway?
Please?
NYMary
Go ahead. Give him one for me.
EPT |
01.15.05 - 11:46 am | #
Ironically, I seem to be ideal by Brooks's analysis. But can I please, please, pretty please kick him in the balls anyway?
Please?
NYMary
Go ahead. Give him one for me.
EPT |
01.15.05 - 11:46 am | #
Hecate sez:
I wonder just how many hours a day Bobo actually spends doing the work of childrearing. In my experience, those who chant the most ecstatically about childrearing often do the least amount of it.
Yep. You nailed it, Hec. Wise as always.
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01.15.05 - 11:47 am | #
Hecate sez:
I wonder just how many hours a day Bobo actually spends doing the work of childrearing. In my experience, those who chant the most ecstatically about childrearing often do the least amount of it.
Yep. You nailed it, Hec. Wise as always.
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01.15.05 - 11:47 am | #
I have no children, and Bob's column has made me feel so unamerican I need to find that caribou from last night.
-Liddy Dole
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01.15.05 - 11:48 am | #
I have no children, and Bob's column has made me feel so unamerican I need to find that caribou from last night.
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 11:48 am | #
I haven't read much of the comment sections on Kos and MyDD. Has anyone seen an known participant basically saying they cannot accept the situation and will never read those sites again?
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01.15.05 - 11:48 am | #
I haven't read much of the comment sections on Kos and MyDD. Has anyone seen an known participant basically saying they cannot accept the situation and will never read those sites again?
EkCenTriK |
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01.15.05 - 11:48 am | #
Question:
How is that even this non story becomes the stuff that is on the Newshour, NPR and in the NYT's besides the right wing rags and sermonizers? The right is capable of doing this every time, how? None of these guys when discussing Kos and the Blogs are capable of distinguishing between a jouranlist and a blog. That was like when they kept asking Kerry how he would get us out of Iraq, even though he did not put us in and was not yet in office, but never asked Bush that question.
If the "mainstream" press cannot understand the difference between soemthing appearing as news on TV, radio or a newspaper and something appearing in a blog, then perhaps that explains the type of reporting we have been getting for the past several years!
diogenes |
01.15.05 - 11:48 am | #
Question:
How is that even this non story becomes the stuff that is on the Newshour, NPR and in the NYT's besides the right wing rags and sermonizers? The right is capable of doing this every time, how? None of these guys when discussing Kos and the Blogs are capable of distinguishing between a jouranlist and a blog. That was like when they kept asking Kerry how he would get us out of Iraq, even though he did not put us in and was not yet in office, but never asked Bush that question.
If the "mainstream" press cannot understand the difference between soemthing appearing as news on TV, radio or a newspaper and something appearing in a blog, then perhaps that explains the type of reporting we have been getting for the past several years!
diogenes |
01.15.05 - 11:48 am | #
Maybe MoDo (disclaimer, to me she's a cute cougar) can take a page from tom whothefcukwearswhitesuits wolfe and cruise college campuses and pen a new novel. bobo can drive the van and apply the rainbow coloured lipstick.
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01.15.05 - 11:49 am | #
Maybe MoDo (disclaimer, to me she's a cute cougar) can take a page from tom whothefcukwearswhitesuits wolfe and cruise college campuses and pen a new novel. bobo can drive the van and apply the rainbow coloured lipstick.
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01.15.05 - 11:49 am | #
I refuse to believe that the Slates and the Chris Suellentrops of the world are this stupid, it reminds me of a (bad) joke about Jed and Ellie May, "he's dumb, but he's not THAT dumb".
It's the transparency of the madness that's driving ME crazy.
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01.15.05 - 11:50 am | #
I think people are getting confused on what is happening with the press.
People aren't believing crazy fucked up nonsense because the media isn't telling them the truth. The reality, as I see it, is that the media can get away with telling crazy fucked up nonsense because people don't want to hear the truth. They WANT to believe crazy fucked up nonsense.
And that, is one crazy fucked up state of affairs.
Bloggers, all of you, from the mighty Atrios to the lowly "whoever". Fuck all that shit. Do your thing, spur the discussions, and gather all of us who can see the truth, and want to talk about the truth. Because we are growing in numbers. We are growing in strength. We are growing in knowledge. And THEY are very afraid.
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01.15.05 - 11:50 am | #
I refuse to believe that the Slates and the Chris Suellentrops of the world are this stupid, it reminds me of a (bad) joke about Jed and Ellie May, "he's dumb, but he's not THAT dumb".
It's the transparency of the madness that's driving ME crazy.
16 |
01.15.05 - 11:50 am | #
I think people are getting confused on what is happening with the press.
People aren't believing crazy fucked up nonsense because the media isn't telling them the truth. The reality, as I see it, is that the media can get away with telling crazy fucked up nonsense because people don't want to hear the truth. They WANT to believe crazy fucked up nonsense.
And that, is one crazy fucked up state of affairs.
Bloggers, all of you, from the mighty Atrios to the lowly "whoever". Fuck all that shit. Do your thing, spur the discussions, and gather all of us who can see the truth, and want to talk about the truth. Because we are growing in numbers. We are growing in strength. We are growing in knowledge. And THEY are very afraid.
magurakurin |
01.15.05 - 11:50 am | #
diogenes - Answer:
Because this is the kind of non-story that excites the cesspool of imagination that is the right side of the blogosphere. It's a steaming pile of crap that will continue to circle there until it finally goes down the drain.
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01.15.05 - 11:50 am | #
diogenes - Answer:
Because this is the kind of non-story that excites the cesspool of imagination that is the right side of the blogosphere. It's a steaming pile of crap that will continue to circle there until it finally goes down the drain.
Tena |
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01.15.05 - 11:50 am | #
Oh for christ's sake - Bobo's on about the childless? What the hell business is it of his or anyone else's when a couple chooses not to reproduce?
What strikes me is that he focuses on women because he ASSumes it's women who should bear the brunt of all child rearing responsibilities.
Hello, but don't men have children as well? Note Bobo isn't wringing his hands over how a man will manage to balance career and family.
Maybe we should write and ask him how he does it.
And then maybe we could suggest he should start promoting "family friendly" policies by getting off his dead butt and helping Mrs. Bobo raise the kids he chose to have.
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01.15.05 - 11:52 am | #
Oh for christ's sake - Bobo's on about the childless? What the hell business is it of his or anyone else's when a couple chooses not to reproduce?
What strikes me is that he focuses on women because he ASSumes it's women who should bear the brunt of all child rearing responsibilities.
Hello, but don't men have children as well? Note Bobo isn't wringing his hands over how a man will manage to balance career and family.
Maybe we should write and ask him how he does it.
And then maybe we could suggest he should start promoting "family friendly" policies by getting off his dead butt and helping Mrs. Bobo raise the kids he chose to have.
Stinky |
01.15.05 - 11:52 am | #
"If the "mainstream" press cannot understand the difference"
I think they do. The implications are pretty obvious. The speed of this becoming a discussion in mainstream media and press is amazing. Too amazing for people who seem to not know much about blogs. If they practice this seeming expertise, they would have never moved forward on it. But judgement is not in here, it looks more like compliance.
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01.15.05 - 11:53 am | #
diogenes
"If the "mainstream" press cannot understand the difference"
I think they do. The implications are pretty obvious. The speed of this becoming a discussion in mainstream media and press is amazing. Too amazing for people who seem to not know much about blogs. If they practice this seeming expertise, they would have never moved forward on it. But judgement is not in here, it looks more like compliance.
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01.15.05 - 11:53 am | #
It's a steaming pile of crap that will continue to circle there until it finally goes down the drain.
It's gonna take multiple flushes to rid the bowl of this turd.
I wonder if NPR took payola to broadcast alleged torture tapes from Saddam's prisons, regiment rededications and all the jingo tam-tams in March 2003?
Put a quarter in the Wurlitzer.
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01.15.05 - 11:56 am | #
I wonder if NPR took payola to broadcast alleged torture tapes from Saddam's prisons, regiment rededications and all the jingo tam-tams in March 2003?
Put a quarter in the Wurlitzer.
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01.15.05 - 11:56 am | #
Why all the fuss now?
They are scared of Dean.
They thought the "Dean scream" operation was enough to finish him.
He's alive! Suprise!
They will keep this up ( adding in any other lie they can dream up) until the DNC chair is elected.
Can't have the Democrats electing a Democrat to lead the Democrats!
( No, No, we got this here Rep.Lite for ya)
Dean has a chance of energizing the Dems and that is what they fear the most. Keep it up folks. They are scared of us, that's why we get so much attention from their little trolly trolls.
Why all the fuss now?
They are scared of Dean.
They thought the "Dean scream" operation was enough to finish him.
He's alive! Suprise!
They will keep this up ( adding in any other lie they can dream up) until the DNC chair is elected.
Can't have the Democrats electing a Democrat to lead the Democrats!
( No, No, we got this here Rep.Lite for ya)
Dean has a chance of energizing the Dems and that is what they fear the most. Keep it up folks. They are scared of us, that's why we get so much attention from their little trolly trolls.
Yeah, so what if that big CEO made hundreds of thousands of dollars of under-the-table, illegal contrtibutions to the President's campaign!
THAT poor LIBERAL GUY openly MADE A hundred-dollar legal CONTRIBUTION TO ANOTHER GUY'S CAMPAIGN!
They both do it!
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01.15.05 - 11:58 am | #
Yeah, so what if that big CEO made hundreds of thousands of dollars of under-the-table, illegal contrtibutions to the President's campaign!
THAT poor LIBERAL GUY openly MADE A hundred-dollar legal CONTRIBUTION TO ANOTHER GUY'S CAMPAIGN!
They both do it!
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01.15.05 - 11:58 am | #
Will i get shit for reminding one and all that I have forecast that blogging will be significantly different next election cycle (meaningless though it undoubtyedly will be, still they will preserve the forms), if, indeed it is permitted to persist at all...
I still maintain this is part of a concerted effort to tame the 'wild' speech potential of the web...i don't know how they're gonna do it, i just know they're working on it at this moment, and they will do something to suppress the blogosphere as a medium of resistance...gay-ron-fuckin-teed...
Say all you want: they can't do it. ut they can, and they will...i just don;t yet know how
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono |
01.15.05 - 11:58 am | #
Will i get shit for reminding one and all that I have forecast that blogging will be significantly different next election cycle (meaningless though it undoubtyedly will be, still they will preserve the forms), if, indeed it is permitted to persist at all...
I still maintain this is part of a concerted effort to tame the 'wild' speech potential of the web...i don't know how they're gonna do it, i just know they're working on it at this moment, and they will do something to suppress the blogosphere as a medium of resistance...gay-ron-fuckin-teed...
Say all you want: they can't do it. ut they can, and they will...i just don;t yet know how
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono |
01.15.05 - 11:58 am | #
So, Mr. Suellentrop, you’re either lacking in basic logic or you are thoroughly and utterly dishonest. Which is it?
monchie b. monchum
Can I vote for both? The way Sullentrollop is riding this non-story makes me wonder if he was paid to do it.
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01.15.05 - 11:59 am | #
So, Mr. Suellentrop, you’re either lacking in basic logic or you are thoroughly and utterly dishonest. Which is it?
monchie b. monchum
Can I vote for both? The way Sullentrollop is riding this non-story makes me wonder if he was paid to do it.
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01.15.05 - 11:59 am | #
Bartender! Leave the bottle, it's going to be one of those days.
catalexis |
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01.15.05 - 12:01 pm | #
Bartender! Leave the bottle, it's going to be one of those days.
catalexis |
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01.15.05 - 12:01 pm | #
Hello, but don't men have children as well? Note Bobo isn't wringing his hands over how a man will manage to balance career and family.
Stinky - What strikes me is that he focuses on women because he ASSumes it's women who should bear the brunt of all child rearing responsibilities.
Stinky, that's because what it's really about is the selfishness of modern American white women. That's all it's about. Those damn ambitious American woman who refuse to stay home like Bobo wants them to, tending the hearth and the litter.
It's not really about the litter, however.
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01.15.05 - 12:01 pm | #
Stinky - What strikes me is that he focuses on women because he ASSumes it's women who should bear the brunt of all child rearing responsibilities.
Stinky, that's because what it's really about is the selfishness of modern American white women. That's all it's about. Those damn ambitious American woman who refuse to stay home like Bobo wants them to, tending the hearth and the litter.
It's not really about the litter, however.
Tena |
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01.15.05 - 12:01 pm | #
Stinky, that's because what it's really about is the selfishness of modern American white women.
I'm so ashamed.
if anyone's looking for me, I'll be at the nearest sperm bank with a turkey baster. Oh, I can only pray I'm still fertile...
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01.15.05 - 12:04 pm | #
Stinky, that's because what it's really about is the selfishness of modern American white women.
I'm so ashamed.
if anyone's looking for me, I'll be at the nearest sperm bank with a turkey baster. Oh, I can only pray I'm still fertile...
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 12:04 pm | #
( No, No, we got this here Rep.Lite for ya) -- mikeysez
I'll tell y'all one thing - not that I think he really has much chance, but if Martin Frost gets the chair of the DNC, I'm out. He campaigned to the right of Pete Sessions this last time. It was all about how cozy he is with George Wanker Bush and Joe Loserman. Frost would be a disaster.
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01.15.05 - 12:05 pm | #
( No, No, we got this here Rep.Lite for ya) -- mikeysez
I'll tell y'all one thing - not that I think he really has much chance, but if Martin Frost gets the chair of the DNC, I'm out. He campaigned to the right of Pete Sessions this last time. It was all about how cozy he is with George Wanker Bush and Joe Loserman. Frost would be a disaster.
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01.15.05 - 12:05 pm | #
Oh, no, it won't be meaningless. No matter how many people watch CNN (I know, I know, stop laughing) it's still just CNN. But with Kos, and Atrios, and ATTAEFFINGTURK (congrats on finaly getting listed btw ) and others and yes, dreaded Haloscan too, with what amounts to only a small effort people can get other opinions if they want to. That last part is the only real trick. The readership of blogs is waaaaaay up, I don't see it disappearing. I used to watch CNN all freaking day long because I didn't really understand how much more there was out there. I started with Slate and Salon and then one day someone mentioned Eschaton and I've been here ever since.
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01.15.05 - 12:09 pm | #
Oh, no, it won't be meaningless. No matter how many people watch CNN (I know, I know, stop laughing) it's still just CNN. But with Kos, and Atrios, and ATTAEFFINGTURK (congrats on finaly getting listed btw ) and others and yes, dreaded Haloscan too, with what amounts to only a small effort people can get other opinions if they want to. That last part is the only real trick. The readership of blogs is waaaaaay up, I don't see it disappearing. I used to watch CNN all freaking day long because I didn't really understand how much more there was out there. I started with Slate and Salon and then one day someone mentioned Eschaton and I've been here ever since.
catalexis |
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01.15.05 - 12:09 pm | #
You know, one more thing on this topic that has gotten way more attention than Bobo deserves - WTF was his motivation? With all the lunacy going on in the world right now he has time to worry about my womb?
Perhaps we should all send him one of those'thanks you so much for your concern - but mind your own business' engraved cards we all have from our days in the Junior League....
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01.15.05 - 12:09 pm | #
You know, one more thing on this topic that has gotten way more attention than Bobo deserves - WTF was his motivation? With all the lunacy going on in the world right now he has time to worry about my womb?
Perhaps we should all send him one of those'thanks you so much for your concern - but mind your own business' engraved cards we all have from our days in the Junior League....
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 12:09 pm | #
Anyone have any idea how many little Bobos there are running around? And does Mrs. Bobo just stay home with them, breathlessly waiting to breed, while Bob bravely defends the castle?
Green |
01.15.05 - 12:10 pm | #
Anyone have any idea how many little Bobos there are running around? And does Mrs. Bobo just stay home with them, breathlessly waiting to breed, while Bob bravely defends the castle?
Green |
01.15.05 - 12:10 pm | #
ok - 'thank you so much' perhaps my engraver drinks a bit too early in the day... its a southern thing.
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 12:11 pm | #
ok - 'thank you so much' perhaps my engraver drinks a bit too early in the day... its a southern thing.
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 12:11 pm | #
Bobo's a moron. He's a person who needs to live in Utah for a couple of years. Provo, yes, that'd be great. There he could tour the Wymount Apartments, er, Rabbit Hutches, where young Mormon married couples struggle to have the husband get a college degree while the wife takes care of the kids. Of course, what happens is that he gets his college degree, starts working, and then decides that the mother of his five children needs to be traded in on a new model. (Granted, this doesn't happen all the time, mind you, but it does happen frequently enough!)
If Bobo really wanted to study what happens when natalism takes root and flourishes, he should go to Utah. Overcrowded schools, high taxes, depressed wages, expensive housing, sales tax on food, oppressive patriarchal legislature, politics dictated by old unelected men sitting at 47 East South Temple St....I'll stop ranting now.
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01.15.05 - 12:12 pm | #
Bobo's a moron. He's a person who needs to live in Utah for a couple of years. Provo, yes, that'd be great. There he could tour the Wymount Apartments, er, Rabbit Hutches, where young Mormon married couples struggle to have the husband get a college degree while the wife takes care of the kids. Of course, what happens is that he gets his college degree, starts working, and then decides that the mother of his five children needs to be traded in on a new model. (Granted, this doesn't happen all the time, mind you, but it does happen frequently enough!)
If Bobo really wanted to study what happens when natalism takes root and flourishes, he should go to Utah. Overcrowded schools, high taxes, depressed wages, expensive housing, sales tax on food, oppressive patriarchal legislature, politics dictated by old unelected men sitting at 47 East South Temple St....I'll stop ranting now.
Deana Holmes |
01.15.05 - 12:12 pm | #
Does David Brooks have children?
monica_nyc |
01.15.05 - 12:12 pm | #
Does David Brooks have children?
monica_nyc |
01.15.05 - 12:12 pm | #
Bob = Bobo
Good goddess, where's the coffeepot?
Green |
01.15.05 - 12:13 pm | #
Bob = Bobo
Good goddess, where's the coffeepot?
Green |
01.15.05 - 12:13 pm | #
catalexis - The readership of blogs is waaaaaay up, I don't see it disappearing.
In the last several weeks, I've noticed an uptic myself. The threads here are running longer than ever. The hits at First Draft have been increasing (from 3 to 26 or so; )
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01.15.05 - 12:14 pm | #
catalexis - The readership of blogs is waaaaaay up, I don't see it disappearing.
In the last several weeks, I've noticed an uptic myself. The threads here are running longer than ever. The hits at First Draft have been increasing (from 3 to 26 or so; )
Tena |
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01.15.05 - 12:14 pm | #
The left deserves to be shut down. They dominate the media and national discourse, so much they can't see for themselves (see Krauthammer's latest column on the media bias). They need to be countered constantly with conservative points of view or we have no voice. Liberals like freedom of speech ONLY when its them who have it. They are like Nazis.
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01.15.05 - 12:16 pm | #
The left deserves to be shut down. They dominate the media and national discourse, so much they can't see for themselves (see Krauthammer's latest column on the media bias). They need to be countered constantly with conservative points of view or we have no voice. Liberals like freedom of speech ONLY when its them who have it. They are like Nazis.
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01.15.05 - 12:16 pm | #
I don't think the mainstream media, whether liberal or conservative, understands this medium at all. They don't understand the townhall, soapbox sort of forum that this is, where WE the readers really decide what is "fair and balanced" so to speak. Since Atrios, or Kos, or any of the other bloggers, doesn't just cut us off, yell shut-up etc. but allows us all to respond. If I say something stupid, then, you stop reading my post and go on. If Atrios et.al. says something insane or unsubstantiated, most of us call him on it, or move on. It's a little different with a newspaper.For example if Judith Miller becomes a shill, unintentionally or intentionally of the gov't we can write letters but do we know if we areheard? Does anyone else hear us yell? Does she "link" to the source, as a good blog does?
Currently the blogs seem to have more info then most other medias. Sure there is alot of crap, but at least it's relativly easy to discern which is real and which is crap. In my view the linking is the most informative aspect of a blog. One goes to the link and can then decide if the blogger was shrill, wrong or on target among otherthings.
I guess thats what they fear the most, there really is truth out there and people can now really find it with a little efford.
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01.15.05 - 12:16 pm | #
I don't think the mainstream media, whether liberal or conservative, understands this medium at all. They don't understand the townhall, soapbox sort of forum that this is, where WE the readers really decide what is "fair and balanced" so to speak. Since Atrios, or Kos, or any of the other bloggers, doesn't just cut us off, yell shut-up etc. but allows us all to respond. If I say something stupid, then, you stop reading my post and go on. If Atrios et.al. says something insane or unsubstantiated, most of us call him on it, or move on. It's a little different with a newspaper.For example if Judith Miller becomes a shill, unintentionally or intentionally of the gov't we can write letters but do we know if we areheard? Does anyone else hear us yell? Does she "link" to the source, as a good blog does?
Currently the blogs seem to have more info then most other medias. Sure there is alot of crap, but at least it's relativly easy to discern which is real and which is crap. In my view the linking is the most informative aspect of a blog. One goes to the link and can then decide if the blogger was shrill, wrong or on target among otherthings.
I guess thats what they fear the most, there really is truth out there and people can now really find it with a little efford.
diogenes |
01.15.05 - 12:16 pm | #
I think that the purpose of deflecting from Williams has not been accomplished. Kos and jerome are respoected by their constituency and ignored by the 'wingers who are 'whinging the most about this. Smearing Dean was a given and the impact of the Kos smear-attempt on Dean was discounted by the other things they think will matter.
Kos DID dsiclose, Dean has the respect of the people who matter, and williams is being investigated by the FCC. Also, there is concrete proof that the bad guys took money from the Goopers and did not disclose.
In sum: point and advantage: Good guys.
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01.15.05 - 12:16 pm | #
I think that the purpose of deflecting from Williams has not been accomplished. Kos and jerome are respoected by their constituency and ignored by the 'wingers who are 'whinging the most about this. Smearing Dean was a given and the impact of the Kos smear-attempt on Dean was discounted by the other things they think will matter.
Kos DID dsiclose, Dean has the respect of the people who matter, and williams is being investigated by the FCC. Also, there is concrete proof that the bad guys took money from the Goopers and did not disclose.
In sum: point and advantage: Good guys.
jri |
01.15.05 - 12:16 pm | #
Laaaaaadies and Gentlemen! Welcome to WTF Smackdown! The main event BoBo Brooks vs. Randy Andy Sullivan! These two don't even know why they're facing off in the ring tonight and our orginaizers couldn't be more pleased.
That's right Bob. We were going for a mutual elimination strategy here to see if the public would swallow a no-win outcome. As the population of assholes dwindles at twice the rate we feel that conversly a culture of appreciation for rapid asshole depopulation would emerge and take our project to a whole new level.
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01.15.05 - 12:17 pm | #
Laaaaaadies and Gentlemen! Welcome to WTF Smackdown! The main event BoBo Brooks vs. Randy Andy Sullivan! These two don't even know why they're facing off in the ring tonight and our orginaizers couldn't be more pleased.
That's right Bob. We were going for a mutual elimination strategy here to see if the public would swallow a no-win outcome. As the population of assholes dwindles at twice the rate we feel that conversly a culture of appreciation for rapid asshole depopulation would emerge and take our project to a whole new level.
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01.15.05 - 12:17 pm | #
Let's just make shit up and call it a column
Not much else left to say.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:18 pm | #
Let's just make shit up and call it a column
Not much else left to say.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:18 pm | #
Well, the caribou was out doing errands. I guess I will settle for a dildo from my Lawrence Whelk snail collection. It takes AA batteries (heh heh).
-Liddy Dole
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01.15.05 - 12:18 pm | #
Well, the caribou was out doing errands. I guess I will settle for a dildo from my Lawrence Whelk snail collection. It takes AA batteries (heh heh).
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 12:18 pm | #
AFiA = Waaah! I'm obsolete.
ugly bag of mostly water |
01.15.05 - 12:18 pm | #
AFiA = Waaah! I'm obsolete.
ugly bag of mostly water |
01.15.05 - 12:18 pm | #
I love to see open aggression between corporate media pundits and liberal bloggers. It's good for us, every time we get under their skin and they take a shot at us, it's good for us and bad for them.
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01.15.05 - 12:21 pm | #
I love to see open aggression between corporate media pundits and liberal bloggers. It's good for us, every time we get under their skin and they take a shot at us, it's good for us and bad for them.
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01.15.05 - 12:21 pm | #
Let's see. Bob's recent verbiage is implicitly racist, sexist, and homophobic. And one wonders what he thinks of oral sex...probably not the patriotic thing to do.
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01.15.05 - 12:22 pm | #
Let's see. Bob's recent verbiage is implicitly racist, sexist, and homophobic. And one wonders what he thinks of oral sex...probably not the patriotic thing to do.
spinoza |
01.15.05 - 12:22 pm | #
American Freedom Actin: I sat in front of some old people at the theatre last night and listened to them discuss current events. in five minutes they indicated disdain for evolution and cosmology (it's just a theory), stated flat out that Fox was the only source of the unvarnished truth, and that God put exactly as much water on this Earth as was needed and that no water has been taken away or added since the time of creation. they also praised the space program.
These people were cleearly unhinged and I think the same thing can be said about you. Seek help before you become a danger to yourself and others.
American Freedom Actin: I sat in front of some old people at the theatre last night and listened to them discuss current events. in five minutes they indicated disdain for evolution and cosmology (it's just a theory), stated flat out that Fox was the only source of the unvarnished truth, and that God put exactly as much water on this Earth as was needed and that no water has been taken away or added since the time of creation. they also praised the space program.
These people were cleearly unhinged and I think the same thing can be said about you. Seek help before you become a danger to yourself and others.
Must attend to some chores. Will attempt to catch up this afternoon. Thanks guys, *hugs* all around.
Later.
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01.15.05 - 12:22 pm | #
Must attend to some chores. Will attempt to catch up this afternoon. Thanks guys, *hugs* all around.
Later.
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01.15.05 - 12:22 pm | #
Does David Brooks have children?
monica_nyc
Mercifully, no. I think he's gay, BTW. Don't tell the GOP.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:23 pm | #
Does David Brooks have children?
monica_nyc
Mercifully, no. I think he's gay, BTW. Don't tell the GOP.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:23 pm | #
jri, I work for the space program. It's how I put food on my family. The rest of post about stupid people still goes though.
ugly bag of mostly water |
01.15.05 - 12:26 pm | #
jri, I work for the space program. It's how I put food on my family. The rest of post about stupid people still goes though.
ugly bag of mostly water |
01.15.05 - 12:26 pm | #
dave,
love the photo of Afghanis counting money -- "Economy is booming!" yells the caption.
Too bad it's probably money from opium sales.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 12:27 pm | #
dave,
love the photo of Afghanis counting money -- "Economy is booming!" yells the caption.
Too bad it's probably money from opium sales.
watertiger |
01.15.05 - 12:27 pm | #
There's too many Repukes running free.
God's displeased by their fertility.
When He sends the next Flood,
They'll be smothered by mud.
What a great fucking world it will be.
Lime Rickey |
01.15.05 - 12:28 pm | #
There's too many Repukes running free.
God's displeased by their fertility.
When He sends the next Flood,
They'll be smothered by mud.
What a great fucking world it will be.
Lime Rickey |
01.15.05 - 12:28 pm | #
catalexis - The readership of blogs is waaaaaay up, I don't see it disappearing.
In the last several weeks, I've noticed an uptic myself. The threads here are running longer than ever. The hits at First Draft have been increasing (from 3 to 26 or so; )
Tena
Everything plummetted for a couple weeks after the election, but now it's back up again so I know what you mean Tena.
And these Atrios comment threads, even without the trolls, they have been monstrously long.
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01.15.05 - 12:28 pm | #
catalexis - The readership of blogs is waaaaaay up, I don't see it disappearing.
In the last several weeks, I've noticed an uptic myself. The threads here are running longer than ever. The hits at First Draft have been increasing (from 3 to 26 or so; )
Tena
Everything plummetted for a couple weeks after the election, but now it's back up again so I know what you mean Tena.
And these Atrios comment threads, even without the trolls, they have been monstrously long.
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01.15.05 - 12:28 pm | #
watertiger - well, I find the pic hilarious. Two old men sitting outside their shop counting money is enough to declare that the economy in Afghanistan is booming?
watertiger - well, I find the pic hilarious. Two old men sitting outside their shop counting money is enough to declare that the economy in Afghanistan is booming?
I've got to give thanks for the technology which allows us to nibble and scratch at the corporate media octopus like a million ravenous mice.
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01.15.05 - 12:29 pm | #
I've got to give thanks for the technology which allows us to nibble and scratch at the corporate media octopus like a million ravenous mice.
Visual Politics |
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01.15.05 - 12:29 pm | #
From a column a little while back by David Brooks:
"It's not too early to begin thinking about what was clearly an intellectual failure. There was, above all, a failure to understand the consequences of our power. There was a failure to anticipate the response our power would have on the people we sought to liberate. They resent us for our power and at the same time expect us to be capable of everything. There was a failure to understand the effect our power would have on other people around the world. We were so sure that we were using our might for noble purposes, we assumed that sooner or later, everybody else would see that as well."
Who is this asswipe calling "we"?
I, Ba'al pronounce myself DISPLEASED. I yearn for a pleasing aroma. A sacrifice to Ba'al is demanded, and if performed will release the munificience of Ba'al.
Ba'al |
01.15.05 - 12:30 pm | #
From a column a little while back by David Brooks:
"It's not too early to begin thinking about what was clearly an intellectual failure. There was, above all, a failure to understand the consequences of our power. There was a failure to anticipate the response our power would have on the people we sought to liberate. They resent us for our power and at the same time expect us to be capable of everything. There was a failure to understand the effect our power would have on other people around the world. We were so sure that we were using our might for noble purposes, we assumed that sooner or later, everybody else would see that as well."
Who is this asswipe calling "we"?
I, Ba'al pronounce myself DISPLEASED. I yearn for a pleasing aroma. A sacrifice to Ba'al is demanded, and if performed will release the munificience of Ba'al.
Ba'al |
01.15.05 - 12:30 pm | #
David Brooks has truly outdone himself. No easy feat.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:30 pm | #
David Brooks has truly outdone himself. No easy feat.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:30 pm | #
Here's my email to Chris:
Perhaps you'd be interested in looking into another blogger with questionable ethics. This person holds down a government-funded position at a major university. He "blogs" during his working hours, using taxpayer-funded resources, and draws a state paycheck while spending most of his time working on his "blog" instead of performing the duties the taxpayers pay him for. Additionally, he runs many, many ads on his "blog," and is therefore making a nice tidy profit with the side-business he runs out of his state-provided office.
Is this really the sort of thing taxpayers expect of government employees?
I await your thunderous outrage...
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01.15.05 - 12:31 pm | #
Here's my email to Chris:
Perhaps you'd be interested in looking into another blogger with questionable ethics. This person holds down a government-funded position at a major university. He "blogs" during his working hours, using taxpayer-funded resources, and draws a state paycheck while spending most of his time working on his "blog" instead of performing the duties the taxpayers pay him for. Additionally, he runs many, many ads on his "blog," and is therefore making a nice tidy profit with the side-business he runs out of his state-provided office.
Is this really the sort of thing taxpayers expect of government employees?
I await your thunderous outrage...
dave |
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01.15.05 - 12:31 pm | #
the blogosphere is cutting in on their (sclm) action and doing a much better job of it.
Nobody likes a showoff!
Don't go turning on the lights! Them troglodytes like it dim.
The faux-rush-coulter lamps give it just the right ambiance. Hellfire with just a touch of the brimstone. Ahhh!
Take your soma and relax.
mikeysez |
01.15.05 - 12:31 pm | #
the blogosphere is cutting in on their (sclm) action and doing a much better job of it.
Nobody likes a showoff!
Don't go turning on the lights! Them troglodytes like it dim.
The faux-rush-coulter lamps give it just the right ambiance. Hellfire with just a touch of the brimstone. Ahhh!
Take your soma and relax.
mikeysez |
01.15.05 - 12:31 pm | #
OT: ATrios, you might wanna talk to Google about their ads. I just saw one for W Ketchup. YOu know, the alternative to 'liberal' ketchup for those who don't want to support those EVIL Democrats by buying THEIR ketchup?
Yeah, I doubt you wanna see that on here either.
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01.15.05 - 12:32 pm | #
OT: ATrios, you might wanna talk to Google about their ads. I just saw one for W Ketchup. YOu know, the alternative to 'liberal' ketchup for those who don't want to support those EVIL Democrats by buying THEIR ketchup?
Yeah, I doubt you wanna see that on here either.
Kryptik |
01.15.05 - 12:32 pm | #
hey, if you click on the ketchup ad they pay me money...
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01.15.05 - 12:33 pm | #
hey, if you click on the ketchup ad they pay me money...
Atrios |
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01.15.05 - 12:33 pm | #
...if you click on the ketchup ad they pay me money...
You bastard! I knew you were on the pad!!!
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01.15.05 - 12:34 pm | #
...if you click on the ketchup ad they pay me money...
You bastard! I knew you were on the pad!!!
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01.15.05 - 12:34 pm | #
dave - don't forget about the time Glenn spends wandering around the campus of UT and taking pictures of coeds.
i never read any of those essays - i subscribe to harpers for that so lets get pithy shall we?
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01.15.05 - 12:35 pm | #
i never read any of those essays - i subscribe to harpers for that so lets get pithy shall we?
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01.15.05 - 12:35 pm | #
David Brooks is such an ass. His writing seems just calculated to resonate with the zeigeist of the ignorant half of America.
On the subject of the tsunami, he managed to toy with the idea of God's wrath without declaring it was so, but just entertaining it enough to titillate his ignorant readers.
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01.15.05 - 12:35 pm | #
David Brooks is such an ass. His writing seems just calculated to resonate with the zeigeist of the ignorant half of America.
On the subject of the tsunami, he managed to toy with the idea of God's wrath without declaring it was so, but just entertaining it enough to titillate his ignorant readers.
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01.15.05 - 12:35 pm | #
"Brooks is outta his fuckin' mind, as usual. Subsidizing families to keep women home so they can have kids--what a great idea! It's just like the Bible says it should be."
Brooks is just pandering to his Neanderthal base. Without their support, he'd be voiceless.
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01.15.05 - 12:36 pm | #
"Brooks is outta his fuckin' mind, as usual. Subsidizing families to keep women home so they can have kids--what a great idea! It's just like the Bible says it should be."
Brooks is just pandering to his Neanderthal base. Without their support, he'd be voiceless.
susan |
01.15.05 - 12:36 pm | #
Question:
How is that even this non story becomes the stuff that is on the Newshour, NPR and in the NYT's besides the right wing rags and sermonizers?
Good question. I can offer my opinion: Republican Noise Machine
The right is capable of doing this every time, how?
Republican Noise Machine?
And do you suppose it has anything to do with an appalling lack of critical thinking?
None of these guys when discussing Kos and the Blogs are capable of distinguishing between a jouranlist and a blog.
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01.15.05 - 12:36 pm | #
Question:
How is that even this non story becomes the stuff that is on the Newshour, NPR and in the NYT's besides the right wing rags and sermonizers?
Good question. I can offer my opinion: Republican Noise Machine
The right is capable of doing this every time, how?
Republican Noise Machine?
And do you suppose it has anything to do with an appalling lack of critical thinking?
None of these guys when discussing Kos and the Blogs are capable of distinguishing between a jouranlist and a blog.
Shaw Kenawe |
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01.15.05 - 12:36 pm | #
hey, if you click on the ketchup ad they pay me money...
Atrios
Yes he once wrote an op-ed piece on his son'd bar-mitzvah 'NYT's Feb 24, 2004".
I wonder if he is encouraging him to join the army when he turns 18? I wonder how he would feel about his son going to Iraq?
Last night on the Newshour he said something like it was worth the lives lost in Iraq if democracy comes (he said who cares if there were WMD's, worth the trip).
Well BoBo would you give YOUR son's life? Or is it only our son's you are willing to sacrifice?
diogenes |
01.15.05 - 12:37 pm | #
"does David Brooks have children"
Yes he once wrote an op-ed piece on his son'd bar-mitzvah 'NYT's Feb 24, 2004".
I wonder if he is encouraging him to join the army when he turns 18? I wonder how he would feel about his son going to Iraq?
Last night on the Newshour he said something like it was worth the lives lost in Iraq if democracy comes (he said who cares if there were WMD's, worth the trip).
Well BoBo would you give YOUR son's life? Or is it only our son's you are willing to sacrifice?
diogenes |
01.15.05 - 12:37 pm | #
Crap. Holoscan ate the rest of the post. And I can't remember it. Sigh.
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01.15.05 - 12:37 pm | #
Crap. Holoscan ate the rest of the post. And I can't remember it. Sigh.
Shaw Kenawe |
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01.15.05 - 12:37 pm | #
Ketchup ads just don't cut the mustard around here!
OT:
I relish the thought of Liddy and her pickled privates.
mikeysez |
01.15.05 - 12:37 pm | #
Ketchup ads just don't cut the mustard around here!
OT:
I relish the thought of Liddy and her pickled privates.
mikeysez |
01.15.05 - 12:37 pm | #
jri what show were you about to see at the theatre that would interest these type of people pray tell?
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01.15.05 - 12:38 pm | #
jri what show were you about to see at the theatre that would interest these type of people pray tell?
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01.15.05 - 12:38 pm | #
Brooks is just pandering to his Neanderthal base. Without their support, he'd be voiceless.
Visual - I swear my jaw will never recover from dropping so hard over all this "godliness" in the media. Everybody instantly got religion on November 3. It's very sick-making.
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01.15.05 - 12:38 pm | #
Visual - I swear my jaw will never recover from dropping so hard over all this "godliness" in the media. Everybody instantly got religion on November 3. It's very sick-making.
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01.15.05 - 12:38 pm | #
From a revew of his book about Bobos...
"Relying on data compiled by Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein in The Bell Curve, Brooks documents how in the early 1950s most students at Harvard and other Ivy League Schools were from affluent families. The average verbal SAT score for incoming freshmen at Harvard in 1952 was 583. By 1960, the average verbal SAT score for incoming freshman at Harvard was 678. In a very short period of time, elite higher education in America changed from the preserve of the privileged to those who possessed natural talent and ambition."
Note the source of the data, used by Brooks the "intellectual".
I, Ba'al, await the pleasing aroma.
Ba'al |
01.15.05 - 12:39 pm | #
From a revew of his book about Bobos...
"Relying on data compiled by Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein in The Bell Curve, Brooks documents how in the early 1950s most students at Harvard and other Ivy League Schools were from affluent families. The average verbal SAT score for incoming freshmen at Harvard in 1952 was 583. By 1960, the average verbal SAT score for incoming freshman at Harvard was 678. In a very short period of time, elite higher education in America changed from the preserve of the privileged to those who possessed natural talent and ambition."
Note the source of the data, used by Brooks the "intellectual".
I, Ba'al, await the pleasing aroma.
Ba'al |
01.15.05 - 12:39 pm | #
hey, if you click on the ketchup ad they pay me money...
DAVISON, Mich. - Oscar on the shelf or not, Michael Moore is not getting much respect at his old high school. Despite his fame and many honors, the filmmaker has been rejected all four times that he has been nominated for Davison High School's Hall of Fame.
Yeah sure. I'd like to see who exactly is in their "Hall of Fame."
And in a aside, Moore fought to get the GM plant in that city reopened. He also tried to get Nike to open a plant there. And this is the thanks he gets from the town? Maybe these fucking idiots can tell us what Bush has tried to do for Flint?
wolf-man |
01.15.05 - 12:39 pm | #
OT:
DAVISON, Mich. - Oscar on the shelf or not, Michael Moore is not getting much respect at his old high school. Despite his fame and many honors, the filmmaker has been rejected all four times that he has been nominated for Davison High School's Hall of Fame.
Yeah sure. I'd like to see who exactly is in their "Hall of Fame."
And in a aside, Moore fought to get the GM plant in that city reopened. He also tried to get Nike to open a plant there. And this is the thanks he gets from the town? Maybe these fucking idiots can tell us what Bush has tried to do for Flint?
wolf-man |
01.15.05 - 12:39 pm | #
I sat in front of some old people at the theatre last night and listened to them discuss current events. in five minutes they indicated disdain for evolution and cosmology (it's just a theory)
For the love of God and all that is holy, will someone please, please, PLEASE explain to wingnuts the difference, in scientific terms, between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"??
I sat in front of some old people at the theatre last night and listened to them discuss current events. in five minutes they indicated disdain for evolution and cosmology (it's just a theory)
For the love of God and all that is holy, will someone please, please, PLEASE explain to wingnuts the difference, in scientific terms, between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"??
Visual - I swear my jaw will never recover from dropping so hard over all this "godliness" in the media. Everybody instantly got religion on November 3. It's very sick-making.
Tena
I've never felt so oppressed by the religious fanatics. Today's Christians are like Jim Jones and The People's Temple, except they're really friggin huge.
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01.15.05 - 12:41 pm | #
Visual - I swear my jaw will never recover from dropping so hard over all this "godliness" in the media. Everybody instantly got religion on November 3. It's very sick-making.
Tena
I've never felt so oppressed by the religious fanatics. Today's Christians are like Jim Jones and The People's Temple, except they're really friggin huge.
Visual Politics |
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01.15.05 - 12:41 pm | #
diogenes, here's the rest of the answer to your post.
None of these guys when discussing Kos and the Blogs are capable of distinguishing between a jouranlist and a blog..
Either they are stupid or wilfully ignorant.
If the "mainstream" press cannot understand the difference between soemthing appearing as news on TV, radio or a newspaper and something appearing in a blog, then perhaps that explains the type of reporting we have been getting for the past several years!
diogenes
Oh, I think they can tell the difference. But they also know how easily they will be cut off from access should they severely criticize the WH.
We have been getting this type of reporting for the past several years because we have a population that DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF CRITICAL THINKING and a media that are in collusion with the administration to deceive, deceive, deceive.
Evidence? Hint: WMD, WMD, WMD
Now: SS, SS, SS
Oy. Oy. Oy.
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01.15.05 - 12:41 pm | #
diogenes, here's the rest of the answer to your post.
None of these guys when discussing Kos and the Blogs are capable of distinguishing between a jouranlist and a blog..
Either they are stupid or wilfully ignorant.
If the "mainstream" press cannot understand the difference between soemthing appearing as news on TV, radio or a newspaper and something appearing in a blog, then perhaps that explains the type of reporting we have been getting for the past several years!
diogenes
Oh, I think they can tell the difference. But they also know how easily they will be cut off from access should they severely criticize the WH.
We have been getting this type of reporting for the past several years because we have a population that DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF CRITICAL THINKING and a media that are in collusion with the administration to deceive, deceive, deceive.
Evidence? Hint: WMD, WMD, WMD
Now: SS, SS, SS
Oy. Oy. Oy.
Shaw Kenawe |
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01.15.05 - 12:41 pm | #
Ok. I have mixed feeling about the government supporting stay-at-home parents. On the one hand, you get a tax break for putting kids in daycare, so why not one for stepping out of the workforce and doing it yourself? But on the other, what happens when you apply for the stay-at-home tax and the IRS shows up wanting to make sure you're doing it "right?"
I think that if more people raised their children like I do, in the hunter-gatherer style, birth rates would actually drop. Attachment parenting and homeschooling are intense, and time consuming. If you're doing the whole child-led weaning thing, you're less likely to pop out a new baby every year. But the government doesn't want THAT, since they receive so much money from the pharmecuetical industry. (Big Pharma=Big Formula)
This is something I think about often, and I wish the government could figure out a non-intrusive way to help parents really be there for their kids, rather than making it easier, and more economically necessary, to outsource their childrearing. I don't think they will, despite their cant about the wonders of motherhood, because it's their best interest to institutionalize children as soon as possible after birth. You create a more pliable populace that way.
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01.15.05 - 12:42 pm | #
Ok. I have mixed feeling about the government supporting stay-at-home parents. On the one hand, you get a tax break for putting kids in daycare, so why not one for stepping out of the workforce and doing it yourself? But on the other, what happens when you apply for the stay-at-home tax and the IRS shows up wanting to make sure you're doing it "right?"
I think that if more people raised their children like I do, in the hunter-gatherer style, birth rates would actually drop. Attachment parenting and homeschooling are intense, and time consuming. If you're doing the whole child-led weaning thing, you're less likely to pop out a new baby every year. But the government doesn't want THAT, since they receive so much money from the pharmecuetical industry. (Big Pharma=Big Formula)
This is something I think about often, and I wish the government could figure out a non-intrusive way to help parents really be there for their kids, rather than making it easier, and more economically necessary, to outsource their childrearing. I don't think they will, despite their cant about the wonders of motherhood, because it's their best interest to institutionalize children as soon as possible after birth. You create a more pliable populace that way.
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01.15.05 - 12:42 pm | #
It's obvious that no one would hire Kos for his political savvy. Every candidate he backed in 2004 lost. Atrios should feel pretty good, his political savvy is better than Kos. All but one of his candidates lost in 2004. So we know that "Zonkette" is telling the truth. Kos was hired to hype the Dean campaign and not for any political skills (as we all know he has none).
But don't let me stop you from eating one of your own...
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01.15.05 - 12:42 pm | #
It's obvious that no one would hire Kos for his political savvy. Every candidate he backed in 2004 lost. Atrios should feel pretty good, his political savvy is better than Kos. All but one of his candidates lost in 2004. So we know that "Zonkette" is telling the truth. Kos was hired to hype the Dean campaign and not for any political skills (as we all know he has none).
But don't let me stop you from eating one of your own...
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01.15.05 - 12:42 pm | #
Living in the same city as Instapuke makes my blood boil and have destructive tendencies. Thank god I don't go to confession anymore.
mer |
01.15.05 - 12:43 pm | #
Living in the same city as Instapuke makes my blood boil and have destructive tendencies. Thank god I don't go to confession anymore.
mer |
01.15.05 - 12:43 pm | #
OK, I don't know if anyone has pointed this out in this or some of th eother threads -- but the target is not Kos or Jeome.
The target is DEAN!
Regardless of what we think about the insult and stupidity of a bunch of jerks -- Teachout particularly -- this is simply not about them.
Sure, the right is using it to blur moral lines of the administration's Goebbels strategy but more critically, the "moderate" and "democratic mainstream" is much more interested in making sure Dean's candidacy for DNC Chair fails. Read Suellentrop, look at what Begala said. They start and end with Dean.
That is why Teachout is such a stupid collaborator whose head should be shaved before she is marched through the streets. Not because she offered up bloggers for ethical ridicule, but because she offered up an image of Dean as a corrupt politician.
Immanentize |
01.15.05 - 12:44 pm | #
OK, I don't know if anyone has pointed this out in this or some of th eother threads -- but the target is not Kos or Jeome.
The target is DEAN!
Regardless of what we think about the insult and stupidity of a bunch of jerks -- Teachout particularly -- this is simply not about them.
Sure, the right is using it to blur moral lines of the administration's Goebbels strategy but more critically, the "moderate" and "democratic mainstream" is much more interested in making sure Dean's candidacy for DNC Chair fails. Read Suellentrop, look at what Begala said. They start and end with Dean.
That is why Teachout is such a stupid collaborator whose head should be shaved before she is marched through the streets. Not because she offered up bloggers for ethical ridicule, but because she offered up an image of Dean as a corrupt politician.
Immanentize |
01.15.05 - 12:44 pm | #
Ba'al, I'd love to oblige, but I live 2000 miles away. Perhaps someone closer to Bobo could do the honors?
Deana Holmes |
01.15.05 - 12:44 pm | #
Ba'al, I'd love to oblige, but I live 2000 miles away. Perhaps someone closer to Bobo could do the honors?
Deana Holmes |
01.15.05 - 12:44 pm | #
Stinky - For the love of God and all that is holy, will someone please, please, PLEASE explain to wingnuts the difference, in scientific terms, between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"??
Your heart's in the right place, but there's no way they'd get. Nor do they really want to understand it.
You know, I first bumped into anti-evolutionism in real life (as opposed to just seeing it in Inherit the Wind,) when the Jehovah's Witnesses started bugging me around 1970. I thought it was just a peculiarity of theirs. I had no idea it was that widely held a belief that it wasn't true. I couldn't conceive that normally intelligent people would reject it. What a damn fool I was. There is no limit to idiocy.
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01.15.05 - 12:45 pm | #
Stinky - For the love of God and all that is holy, will someone please, please, PLEASE explain to wingnuts the difference, in scientific terms, between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"??
Your heart's in the right place, but there's no way they'd get. Nor do they really want to understand it.
You know, I first bumped into anti-evolutionism in real life (as opposed to just seeing it in Inherit the Wind,) when the Jehovah's Witnesses started bugging me around 1970. I thought it was just a peculiarity of theirs. I had no idea it was that widely held a belief that it wasn't true. I couldn't conceive that normally intelligent people would reject it. What a damn fool I was. There is no limit to idiocy.
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01.15.05 - 12:45 pm | #
don't worry schwa, next time I'll ask people to give to candidates who are guaranteed to win.
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01.15.05 - 12:46 pm | #
don't worry schwa, next time I'll ask people to give to candidates who are guaranteed to win.
Atrios |
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01.15.05 - 12:46 pm | #
How is that even this non story becomes the stuff that is on the Newshour, NPR and in the NYT's besides the right wing rags and sermonizers?
It's the new reality. Isn't this exactly as that asshat explained it in the Times? By the time we flush this pile of shit, they will have floated a bowlful of turds that have gone unanswered. Reality is what they and their paid for whores make it.
And where is the progressive to get us off the crapper and fighting back. Where is JFK? Why isn't he leading the party?
QuiltLady in NY |
01.15.05 - 12:46 pm | #
How is that even this non story becomes the stuff that is on the Newshour, NPR and in the NYT's besides the right wing rags and sermonizers?
It's the new reality. Isn't this exactly as that asshat explained it in the Times? By the time we flush this pile of shit, they will have floated a bowlful of turds that have gone unanswered. Reality is what they and their paid for whores make it.
And where is the progressive to get us off the crapper and fighting back. Where is JFK? Why isn't he leading the party?
QuiltLady in NY |
01.15.05 - 12:46 pm | #
For the love of God and all that is holy, will someone please, please, PLEASE explain to wingnuts the difference, in scientific terms, between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"??
(sigh)
Stinky
No. I will NOT explain it to them. Let them live in their chosen comfort of ignorant bliss. Let the world progress, and let them cling to their unenlightened notions of what a scientific theory is.
They are the ones who will be left behind.
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01.15.05 - 12:46 pm | #
For the love of God and all that is holy, will someone please, please, PLEASE explain to wingnuts the difference, in scientific terms, between a "hypothesis" and a "theory"??
(sigh)
Stinky
No. I will NOT explain it to them. Let them live in their chosen comfort of ignorant bliss. Let the world progress, and let them cling to their unenlightened notions of what a scientific theory is.
They are the ones who will be left behind.
Shaw Kenawe |
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01.15.05 - 12:46 pm | #
I've never felt so oppressed by the religious fanatics. Today's Christians are like Jim Jones and The People's Temple, except they're really friggin huge.
Visual Politics
Let's hope they make like Jones and hold their own private Rapture - soon, please.
Stinky |
01.15.05 - 12:47 pm | #
I've never felt so oppressed by the religious fanatics. Today's Christians are like Jim Jones and The People's Temple, except they're really friggin huge.
Visual Politics
Let's hope they make like Jones and hold their own private Rapture - soon, please.
Stinky |
01.15.05 - 12:47 pm | #
OK, I don't know if anyone has pointed this out in this or some of th eother threads -- but the target is not Kos or Jeome.
Does anyone know a good solvent for getting dried miracle whip and santorum off a dildo?
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 12:48 pm | #
Does anyone know a good solvent for getting dried miracle whip and santorum off a dildo?
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 12:48 pm | #
You're damn right the target is Dean.
yeehawing at a pep rally is not a political death knell. No matter what the kewl kids say.
If he's allowed in they know their reign of terror is in trouble.
C'mon trollies, tell me what a mean awful and insane person Dean is.
mikeysez |
01.15.05 - 12:50 pm | #
You're damn right the target is Dean.
yeehawing at a pep rally is not a political death knell. No matter what the kewl kids say.
If he's allowed in they know their reign of terror is in trouble.
C'mon trollies, tell me what a mean awful and insane person Dean is.
mikeysez |
01.15.05 - 12:50 pm | #
I'm sorry about my mispellings, I "OK"ed by accident before reviewing....
And my ability to type is poor at best.
Immanentize |
01.15.05 - 12:52 pm | #
I'm sorry about my mispellings, I "OK"ed by accident before reviewing....
And my ability to type is poor at best.
Immanentize |
01.15.05 - 12:52 pm | #
It's long past time to shut down the right-wing media machine, which includes virtually all mainstream newspapers (a few exceptions), most radio and all television news, all rightwing lies , innuendo and distortions. Krauthammer's column on the "liberal" media is an excellent axample of the lies and distortions. In a free country, he'd be limited to raving from a soapbox in the village square, if he were allowed out of his straitjacket. The fact that the mainstream media published no news about the massive failures of Bushco in war and peace, and the fact that they will run with the stories of bloggers accepting money for work (as opposed to journalists accepting taxpayer funds for propoganda), proves the point beyond any doubt. Add in the fact that the republicans as they now exist, led by fundamentalist whackjobs and cyborgs without souls or morals, couldn't win a fair election in this country, and you have further proof that the "liberal" media ceased to exist in the mid-70s. The left-wing blogosphere is currently the lifeboat for democracy as we used to know it, which is why they're so gung-ho on destroying it, as any free speech or expression is expressly against the interests of the corporate government (otherwise known as fascism). We are done as a representative republic; what comes next is anybody's guess. The main hope I see is that the right's hubris, their ability to believe their own bullshit, and their leadership's failure to even discern reality on the ground (in war or peace) will probably pull them apart and send them crashing into irrelevance, but they will take the Dems with them, which right now doesn't look like such a bad thing. As much as Clenis was a really good administrator, and certainly the most "successful" president in 40 years, he was also a Repig lite, including the hubris that allowed him to fuck up his presidency from the get-go with the gays in the military and behind-closed-doors health plan (that's the way Repigs operate, remember?). I can only hope for a rebirth of the principles of the founers, but the repigs have no knowledge or understanding of those principles, as they prove several times daily. They deserve long prison terms.
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01.15.05 - 12:52 pm | #
It's long past time to shut down the right-wing media machine, which includes virtually all mainstream newspapers (a few exceptions), most radio and all television news, all rightwing lies , innuendo and distortions. Krauthammer's column on the "liberal" media is an excellent axample of the lies and distortions. In a free country, he'd be limited to raving from a soapbox in the village square, if he were allowed out of his straitjacket. The fact that the mainstream media published no news about the massive failures of Bushco in war and peace, and the fact that they will run with the stories of bloggers accepting money for work (as opposed to journalists accepting taxpayer funds for propoganda), proves the point beyond any doubt. Add in the fact that the republicans as they now exist, led by fundamentalist whackjobs and cyborgs without souls or morals, couldn't win a fair election in this country, and you have further proof that the "liberal" media ceased to exist in the mid-70s. The left-wing blogosphere is currently the lifeboat for democracy as we used to know it, which is why they're so gung-ho on destroying it, as any free speech or expression is expressly against the interests of the corporate government (otherwise known as fascism). We are done as a representative republic; what comes next is anybody's guess. The main hope I see is that the right's hubris, their ability to believe their own bullshit, and their leadership's failure to even discern reality on the ground (in war or peace) will probably pull them apart and send them crashing into irrelevance, but they will take the Dems with them, which right now doesn't look like such a bad thing. As much as Clenis was a really good administrator, and certainly the most "successful" president in 40 years, he was also a Repig lite, including the hubris that allowed him to fuck up his presidency from the get-go with the gays in the military and behind-closed-doors health plan (that's the way Repigs operate, remember?). I can only hope for a rebirth of the principles of the founers, but the repigs have no knowledge or understanding of those principles, as they prove several times daily. They deserve long prison terms.
Ronjazz |
01.15.05 - 12:52 pm | #
I've never felt so oppressed by the religious fanatics. Today's Christians are like Jim Jones and The People's Temple, except they're really friggin huge.
Visual Politics
Let's hope they make like Jones and hold their own private Rapture - soon, please.
Stinky
Stinky,
They're working toward a big cataclysm, but they want to take us along for the ride. Remember, most of the Koo-Aid drinkers had a gun pointed at them. They hung around with the crazies too long, and then Jim Jones made the final decision and it was too late to get away.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Voltaire
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01.15.05 - 12:52 pm | #
I've never felt so oppressed by the religious fanatics. Today's Christians are like Jim Jones and The People's Temple, except they're really friggin huge.
Visual Politics
Let's hope they make like Jones and hold their own private Rapture - soon, please.
Stinky
Stinky,
They're working toward a big cataclysm, but they want to take us along for the ride. Remember, most of the Koo-Aid drinkers had a gun pointed at them. They hung around with the crazies too long, and then Jim Jones made the final decision and it was too late to get away.
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Voltaire
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01.15.05 - 12:52 pm | #
If George Soros and Cleveland's own, Peter B. Lewis, really do fund a progressive answer to the Right Wing Noise Machine, they will be putting their money to the best use possible.
That would be a genuine service to humanity; maybe, then, we could develop our own memes and buzz.
Meanwhile, should we stop adding fuel to all the neocons' pathetic little fires?
Oh and count me is as one who failed in her fecund duty to the master race.
Sweet Sue |
01.15.05 - 12:55 pm | #
If George Soros and Cleveland's own, Peter B. Lewis, really do fund a progressive answer to the Right Wing Noise Machine, they will be putting their money to the best use possible.
That would be a genuine service to humanity; maybe, then, we could develop our own memes and buzz.
Meanwhile, should we stop adding fuel to all the neocons' pathetic little fires?
Oh and count me is as one who failed in her fecund duty to the master race.
Sweet Sue |
01.15.05 - 12:55 pm | #
I'm sorry about my mispellings, I "OK"ed by accident before reviewing....
And my ability to type is poor at best.
Immanentize
Take it from the master of typos, no big deal.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:55 pm | #
I'm sorry about my mispellings, I "OK"ed by accident before reviewing....
And my ability to type is poor at best.
Immanentize
Take it from the master of typos, no big deal.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 12:55 pm | #
mikeysez-Thanks, but the only pickle juice I know came from Strom's pickle.
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 12:55 pm | #
mikeysez-Thanks, but the only pickle juice I know came from Strom's pickle.
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 12:55 pm | #
Bobo's right and I'm just miffed. When I think back of all those women who were otherwise attracted to me but had selfish reservations about bearing my child because of my immature, self-destructive youthful habits, well lets just say I hope they feel good about their part in the SS crisis.
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01.15.05 - 12:56 pm | #
Bobo's right and I'm just miffed. When I think back of all those women who were otherwise attracted to me but had selfish reservations about bearing my child because of my immature, self-destructive youthful habits, well lets just say I hope they feel good about their part in the SS crisis.
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01.15.05 - 12:56 pm | #
They are the ones who will be left behind.
Shaw Kenawe
Unfortunately, their influence on schools and curriculum risks pulling us and our next generation of scientists down with them.
There was a story in the Seattle PI a few years ago about how an increasing number of students, mostly homeschooled or from Christian schools, are coming to college completely ignorant about science. Even our Natural Parks Service is selling a book at the Grand Canyon about how the canyon was made 6,000 years ago as a result of Noah's flood (god, I wish I were making that up)
I shudder to think of what happens if the wingnuts succeed in pushing their agenda in public schools. I think it's critical we stop all this "it's just a theory" nonsense in its tracks before we return to a dark age where kids start learning shit like the sun revolves around the Earth and we're all descendents of Adam and Eve.
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01.15.05 - 12:57 pm | #
They are the ones who will be left behind.
Shaw Kenawe
Unfortunately, their influence on schools and curriculum risks pulling us and our next generation of scientists down with them.
There was a story in the Seattle PI a few years ago about how an increasing number of students, mostly homeschooled or from Christian schools, are coming to college completely ignorant about science. Even our Natural Parks Service is selling a book at the Grand Canyon about how the canyon was made 6,000 years ago as a result of Noah's flood (god, I wish I were making that up)
I shudder to think of what happens if the wingnuts succeed in pushing their agenda in public schools. I think it's critical we stop all this "it's just a theory" nonsense in its tracks before we return to a dark age where kids start learning shit like the sun revolves around the Earth and we're all descendents of Adam and Eve.
Stinky |
01.15.05 - 12:57 pm | #
Visual - "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Voltaire
I love this. Thank you for it - if I had ever run across this particular Voltaire quote, I'd long since forgotten it. There are some foreheads I'd like to see it written on in indelible ink. I would say tattooed on, but that has some connotations that make it not a good joke.
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01.15.05 - 12:58 pm | #
Visual - "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
Voltaire
I love this. Thank you for it - if I had ever run across this particular Voltaire quote, I'd long since forgotten it. There are some foreheads I'd like to see it written on in indelible ink. I would say tattooed on, but that has some connotations that make it not a good joke.
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01.15.05 - 12:58 pm | #
All these "little woman stay at home and raise the younguns" articles are just more of the same b.s. the cons tried to push back in the 1980's. Remember the "women college graduates can't find a man" study that turned out to be false? Then the media decided that all American women had "baby fever". The best example from that phony crisis was a Newsweek picture of a woman standing on her head after intercourse so that the sperm would travel the right way. And then there were all the endless "is feminism dead" stories that they cranked out. This latest crap is just more of the same...insecure cons who can't abide the fact that women are not lining up to stroke their egos and bake them a pie.
sekmet |
01.15.05 - 12:58 pm | #
All these "little woman stay at home and raise the younguns" articles are just more of the same b.s. the cons tried to push back in the 1980's. Remember the "women college graduates can't find a man" study that turned out to be false? Then the media decided that all American women had "baby fever". The best example from that phony crisis was a Newsweek picture of a woman standing on her head after intercourse so that the sperm would travel the right way. And then there were all the endless "is feminism dead" stories that they cranked out. This latest crap is just more of the same...insecure cons who can't abide the fact that women are not lining up to stroke their egos and bake them a pie.
sekmet |
01.15.05 - 12:58 pm | #
There is no way to get santorum off of a dildo. Get a new one
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 12:58 pm | #
There is no way to get santorum off of a dildo. Get a new one
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 12:58 pm | #
Speaking of candidates -US Rep Candice Miller(R) Michigan, decided not to run against Debbie Stabenow (D) when her Senate seat comes up in '06 - despite having been personally asked by Bush.
Speaking of candidates -US Rep Candice Miller(R) Michigan, decided not to run against Debbie Stabenow (D) when her Senate seat comes up in '06 - despite having been personally asked by Bush.
I don't understand Bobo wanting to subsidize women staying home to have children. I thought Republicans were against welfare and early childhood programs? He's giving me a brain cramp.
Muddy |
01.15.05 - 12:59 pm | #
I don't understand Bobo wanting to subsidize women staying home to have children. I thought Republicans were against welfare and early childhood programs? He's giving me a brain cramp.
Muddy |
01.15.05 - 12:59 pm | #
"Subsidizing families to keep women home so they can have kids"
Wouldn't that be socialism? Or hmmm maybe something sinister?
When do we start handing out medals to women for meeting the State's guidelines on the number of children to rear?
Meanwhile, myself, I will have to learn to hunt, play golf, understand Football and smoke big cigars and break wind in private men's clubs.
And I will need to hire a hot lil number for my secretary.
Oh and I have to get into starting wars so my wallet doesn't suffer too much from the loss of income while the ladies bring the young'uns up.
Boy things are going to get busy.
But y'all little ladies will get a medal for your patriot efforts. So we are square, even stevens right?
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01.15.05 - 1:02 pm | #
"Subsidizing families to keep women home so they can have kids"
Wouldn't that be socialism? Or hmmm maybe something sinister?
When do we start handing out medals to women for meeting the State's guidelines on the number of children to rear?
Meanwhile, myself, I will have to learn to hunt, play golf, understand Football and smoke big cigars and break wind in private men's clubs.
And I will need to hire a hot lil number for my secretary.
Oh and I have to get into starting wars so my wallet doesn't suffer too much from the loss of income while the ladies bring the young'uns up.
Boy things are going to get busy.
But y'all little ladies will get a medal for your patriot efforts. So we are square, even stevens right?
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01.15.05 - 1:02 pm | #
Muddy, Muddy, Muddy. You know better
The R's have always been for welfare for the rich white folks he's talking about....
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 1:02 pm | #
Muddy, Muddy, Muddy. You know better
The R's have always been for welfare for the rich white folks he's talking about....
lb0313 |
01.15.05 - 1:02 pm | #
There is no way to get santorum off of a dildo. Get a new one.
Thanks, lb0313, but this one is special. It was christened by Bill O'Reilly while talking on the phone to me.
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 1:02 pm | #
There is no way to get santorum off of a dildo. Get a new one.
Thanks, lb0313, but this one is special. It was christened by Bill O'Reilly while talking on the phone to me.
-Liddy Dole
bebe rebozo |
01.15.05 - 1:02 pm | #
don't worry schwa, next time I'll ask people to give to candidates who are guaranteed to win.
You're becoming a Republican, Atrios?
And for God's sake don't let Zephyr Teachout stop you guys from supporting Dean as DNC chair. Nothing could be better for the Republicans, YEEEEAAAARRGGGGHHHH!!!
(yes that is double secret reverse psychology)
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01.15.05 - 1:03 pm | #
don't worry schwa, next time I'll ask people to give to candidates who are guaranteed to win.
You're becoming a Republican, Atrios?
And for God's sake don't let Zephyr Teachout stop you guys from supporting Dean as DNC chair. Nothing could be better for the Republicans, YEEEEAAAARRGGGGHHHH!!!
(yes that is double secret reverse psychology)
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01.15.05 - 1:03 pm | #
Wouldn't that be socialism? Or hmmm maybe something sinister?
Ony if Dems think it up. What utter crap Bobo writes.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 1:04 pm | #
Wouldn't that be socialism? Or hmmm maybe something sinister?
Ony if Dems think it up. What utter crap Bobo writes.
bigvic |
01.15.05 - 1:04 pm | #
This latest crap is just more of the same...insecure cons who can't abide the fact that women are not lining up to stroke their egos and bake them a pie.
sekmet
Well, I am a pretty bad-ass baker, and my speciality happens to be pie. But the reason the spouse and I have so much time for hobbies like baking and cooking stems from the fact that we don't have kids!
Stinky |
01.15.05 - 1:04 pm | #
This latest crap is just more of the same...insecure cons who can't abide the fact that women are not lining up to stroke their egos and bake them a pie.
sekmet
Well, I am a pretty bad-ass baker, and my speciality happens to be pie. But the reason the spouse and I have so much time for hobbies like baking and cooking stems from the fact that we don't have kids!
Stinky |
01.15.05 - 1:04 pm | #
Just read it over. Sunk in this time.
EkCenTriK |
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01.15.05 - 1:07 pm | #
Just read it over. Sunk in this time.
EkCenTriK |
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01.15.05 - 1:07 pm | #
Tena,
you're welcome. My dad shared that quote with me. He's like a library, when I bring up a topic, he'll run a brain-query and find something relevant. I was complaining about Christians when he brought that one up.
BTW, there's a lot of great quote websites out there. I recommend quotes from Buddha, Lao-tzu and Gandhi for when you get overwhelmed by with revulsion of the sick society we're struggling with.
These guys aren't just examples the most compassionate people in the world, they're also the wisest, in my opinion.
Why more people don't turn to these sages for guidance is beyond me.
They've clearly got it all figured out, and they've done their best to explain it to us.
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01.15.05 - 1:09 pm | #
Tena,
you're welcome. My dad shared that quote with me. He's like a library, when I bring up a topic, he'll run a brain-query and find something relevant. I was complaining about Christians when he brought that one up.
BTW, there's a lot of great quote websites out there. I recommend quotes from Buddha, Lao-tzu and Gandhi for when you get overwhelmed by with revulsion of the sick society we're struggling with.
These guys aren't just examples the most compassionate people in the world, they're also the wisest, in my opinion.
Why more people don't turn to these sages for guidance is beyond me.
They've clearly got it all figured out, and they've done their best to explain it to us.
Visual Politics |
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01.15.05 - 1:09 pm | #
A couple of thoughts on all of this bunk this morning:
1) Is Slate still there? Did they get more hits from the links to Suellentropp's column-o-crap than they have in the last three months?;
2) What Dr. Pedant seyz: wondering very much about any ties the hardworking Tennessee perfesser has;
3) Are people really so dumb that they can't understand the false equivalencies?;
4) It seems to me it is neither too late nor too redundant to bring up Mr. George Will's dual roles as "journalist" and paid Republican debate helper outer;
5) That that traitor Bob Novak is still around to weigh in on any of this is an Orwellian phenomenon of such staggering absurdity that it is easy to ignore. It seems long past time that we in the progressive blogosphere started demanding that Novacula be relieved of his duties for treason against the United States of America (among other things).
Oh, and the fact that Begala even sits next to this cretin, not bringing up Valerie Plame every single time Novak lobs false accusations at Democrats shows you all you need to know about what Begala is worth.
A couple of thoughts on all of this bunk this morning:
1) Is Slate still there? Did they get more hits from the links to Suellentropp's column-o-crap than they have in the last three months?;
2) What Dr. Pedant seyz: wondering very much about any ties the hardworking Tennessee perfesser has;
3) Are people really so dumb that they can't understand the false equivalencies?;
4) It seems to me it is neither too late nor too redundant to bring up Mr. George Will's dual roles as "journalist" and paid Republican debate helper outer;
5) That that traitor Bob Novak is still around to weigh in on any of this is an Orwellian phenomenon of such staggering absurdity that it is easy to ignore. It seems long past time that we in the progressive blogosphere started demanding that Novacula be relieved of his duties for treason against the United States of America (among other things).
Oh, and the fact that Begala even sits next to this cretin, not bringing up Valerie Plame every single time Novak lobs false accusations at Democrats shows you all you need to know about what Begala is worth.
Maybe Bobo should write a column about how women are more likely to have children (and less likely to have abortions) when the economy's good and when they have decent health insurance.
KH |
01.15.05 - 1:30 pm | #
Maybe Bobo should write a column about how women are more likely to have children (and less likely to have abortions) when the economy's good and when they have decent health insurance.
KH |
01.15.05 - 1:30 pm | #
...don't forget about the time Glenn spends wandering around the campus of UT and taking pictures of coeds.
I had a comment about that on First Draft!
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01.15.05 - 1:36 pm | #
...don't forget about the time Glenn spends wandering around the campus of UT and taking pictures of coeds.
I had a comment about that on First Draft!
dave |
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01.15.05 - 1:36 pm | #
Darn! I saw the W ketchup ad - I should have clicked on it. I wrote about W ketchup back in August.
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01.15.05 - 1:38 pm | #
Darn! I saw the W ketchup ad - I should have clicked on it. I wrote about W ketchup back in August.
George Johnston |
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01.15.05 - 1:38 pm | #
Visual - thanks again, for the site. I made a note of it and I imagine I will use the site a lot.
I always have admired deeply those people who can pull quotes out of their heads for almost any situation. I wish so much I had that talent. I usually mess up the quote, forget who said it, and just generally don't have the talent, damn it.
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01.15.05 - 1:46 pm | #
Visual - thanks again, for the site. I made a note of it and I imagine I will use the site a lot.
I always have admired deeply those people who can pull quotes out of their heads for almost any situation. I wish so much I had that talent. I usually mess up the quote, forget who said it, and just generally don't have the talent, damn it.
Tena |
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01.15.05 - 1:46 pm | #
Still, my verdict is to let Armstrong free with a slap on the wrist.
Oooh!
SCANDAL!
Chris Suellentrop gets money from Slate, apparently. I just found this out, from, uh, looking at the header on the article and looking at the http address his article is located at.
How long has Mr. Suellentrop been taking money from Bill Gates, MSN, and Slate? Why didn't he disclose this relationship before? How much is Gates paying him to say favorable things about Microsoft? See, there's no evidence anywhere on the site, or in any other location, that Suellentrop was paid to say nice things about Microsoft, but by his standards, that doesn't matter. Wild conjecture is all that's required to establish a conclusion.
Still, I'm inclined to be fair. I think we should let Mr. Suellentrop off with a slap in the face for being an insufferable douche. But for the crime of wankery in the 1st degree, the punishment must be forty lashes with a wet noodle.
We are, after all, a nation of laws.
Seraphiel |
01.15.05 - 2:16 pm | #
Still, my verdict is to let Armstrong free with a slap on the wrist.
Oooh!
SCANDAL!
Chris Suellentrop gets money from Slate, apparently. I just found this out, from, uh, looking at the header on the article and looking at the http address his article is located at.
How long has Mr. Suellentrop been taking money from Bill Gates, MSN, and Slate? Why didn't he disclose this relationship before? How much is Gates paying him to say favorable things about Microsoft? See, there's no evidence anywhere on the site, or in any other location, that Suellentrop was paid to say nice things about Microsoft, but by his standards, that doesn't matter. Wild conjecture is all that's required to establish a conclusion.
Still, I'm inclined to be fair. I think we should let Mr. Suellentrop off with a slap in the face for being an insufferable douche. But for the crime of wankery in the 1st degree, the punishment must be forty lashes with a wet noodle.
We are, after all, a nation of laws.
Seraphiel |
01.15.05 - 2:16 pm | #
(I was pretty sure I closed that tag, but on second thought, the BOLDness of it seems to suit the tabloid tone. So deal with it.)
Seraphiel |
01.15.05 - 2:17 pm | #
(I was pretty sure I closed that tag, but on second thought, the BOLDness of it seems to suit the tabloid tone. So deal with it.)
Seraphiel |
01.15.05 - 2:17 pm | #
I'm not the brightest bulb on the string. ? How did Dean get Dept. of Ed. money to pay a tech.? If fundies don't belive in evolution how do they explain the King James version of their bible? and woman standing on her head after intercourse so that the sperm would travel the right way.
just how short was that dick?
Lee |
01.15.05 - 2:23 pm | #
I'm not the brightest bulb on the string. ? How did Dean get Dept. of Ed. money to pay a tech.? If fundies don't belive in evolution how do they explain the King James version of their bible? and woman standing on her head after intercourse so that the sperm would travel the right way.
just how short was that dick?
Lee |
01.15.05 - 2:23 pm | #
Mr. Suellentrop, you’re either lacking in basic logic or you are thoroughly and utterly dishonest.
If he's a right-winger, he's both.
Terry C |
01.15.05 - 4:24 pm | #
Mr. Suellentrop, you’re either lacking in basic logic or you are thoroughly and utterly dishonest.
If he's a right-winger, he's both.
Terry C |
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