I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
thrid?
thrid?
Wah?
digby is God.
Wah?
digby is God.
I want to know how much money Chuck Johnson gets from Likud fronts.
I want to know how much money Chuck Johnson gets from Likud fronts.
Practically every writer for Slate is a tremendous tool.
I used to enjoy reading Slate years ago. I'm not sure if it was better then or if I was just stupider or something.
I like to think it was just better (of course). If so, I don't know what the hell happened to it. Now it is a steaming pile of canine feces. When they hired Christopher Hitchens, it became clear that there was no hope for them.
Practically every writer for Slate is a tremendous tool.
I used to enjoy reading Slate years ago. I'm not sure if it was better then or if I was just stupider or something.
I like to think it was just better (of course). If so, I don't know what the hell happened to it. Now it is a steaming pile of canine feces. When they hired Christopher Hitchens, it became clear that there was no hope for them.
slate always mostly sucked
slate always mostly sucked
seriously now, this appears to me to be accomplishing two things for theM:
1) Discredit Dean's candidacy for the DNC by sliming him with some claim that he paid for positive coverage
2) stir up the wurlitzer to direct attention away from the Williams NCLB story
OK, maybe one more:
3) Spread distrust about bloggers intentions (like most of us who actually read blogs give a shit what the WSJ has to say)
They really ARE afraid of Dean, aren't they?
seriously now, this appears to me to be accomplishing two things for theM:
1) Discredit Dean's candidacy for the DNC by sliming him with some claim that he paid for positive coverage
2) stir up the wurlitzer to direct attention away from the Williams NCLB story
OK, maybe one more:
3) Spread distrust about bloggers intentions (like most of us who actually read blogs give a shit what the WSJ has to say)
They really ARE afraid of Dean, aren't they?
This is absurd. Some guy on the internet gets paid to work for a campaign and he tells everyone about it. That's supposed to make it okay that the Bush Administration secretly used taxpayer money to pay a prominent radio and TV journalist to push policy?
Comparing the Williams fiasco with the Dean blogger isn't just "misleading," it's downright immoral.
This is absurd. Some guy on the internet gets paid to work for a campaign and he tells everyone about it. That's supposed to make it okay that the Bush Administration secretly used taxpayer money to pay a prominent radio and TV journalist to push policy?
Comparing the Williams fiasco with the Dean blogger isn't just "misleading," it's downright immoral.
They really ARE afraid of Dean, aren't they?
semper fubar | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:31 pm | #
Well, that's the whole point, isn't it?
His existence is a rebuke to their
corruption.
They really ARE afraid of Dean, aren't they?
semper fubar | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:31 pm | #
Well, that's the whole point, isn't it?
His existence is a rebuke to their
corruption.
I was wrong about the rethuglicans... they ARE evolving. Adaptations like using blogs to bring the final solution about is advanced thinking. Evil, hateful, but advanced. Tom Daschle was targeted that much more specifically only because of his speakership. The less prominent are next. It took Rome 300 years to fall, we may be in this mode for a lifetime. Watch the dominoes fall.
I was wrong about the rethuglicans... they ARE evolving. Adaptations like using blogs to bring the final solution about is advanced thinking. Evil, hateful, but advanced. Tom Daschle was targeted that much more specifically only because of his speakership. The less prominent are next. It took Rome 300 years to fall, we may be in this mode for a lifetime. Watch the dominoes fall.
I think traditional "journalists" make the mistake of thinking that the people who read blogs are more credulous than those who read newspapers for some reason. Suellentrop says:
Which, if any, of them paid Moulitsas for the honor of directing his grassroots minions to part with their wallets? If you gave one of Moulitsas' preferred candidates money, wouldn't you like to know if Moulitsas' endorsement was purchased?
So now Kos has "minions" that he can order to give money to people?
If I gave money to one of his candidates, I should have had the common sense to do a little research on that candidate, and not just take someone's word for it. Anyone who donates just based on one person's endorsement isn't in much of a position to complain.
I think traditional "journalists" make the mistake of thinking that the people who read blogs are more credulous than those who read newspapers for some reason. Suellentrop says:
Which, if any, of them paid Moulitsas for the honor of directing his grassroots minions to part with their wallets? If you gave one of Moulitsas' preferred candidates money, wouldn't you like to know if Moulitsas' endorsement was purchased?
So now Kos has "minions" that he can order to give money to people?
If I gave money to one of his candidates, I should have had the common sense to do a little research on that candidate, and not just take someone's word for it. Anyone who donates just based on one person's endorsement isn't in much of a position to complain.
Its simple really.
Kos was paid for HIS information and expertise.
Williams was paid to say what Bush wanted him to say.
What's so hard about that?
Start repeating it so it sinks in.
Its simple really.
Kos was paid for HIS information and expertise.
Williams was paid to say what Bush wanted him to say.
What's so hard about that?
Start repeating it so it sinks in.
OT
Who had the most "It" in your lifetime?
I was born in 1960, and I don't think anybody to date has come close to the It-factor of Jack Kennedy.
OT
Who had the most "It" in your lifetime?
I was born in 1960, and I don't think anybody to date has come close to the It-factor of Jack Kennedy.
WATCH THIS PLEASE
The Ground Truth: The Human Cost of War
WATCH THIS PLEASE
The Ground Truth: The Human Cost of War
And then Suellentrop says:
If Moulitsas takes money from political candidates in 2006 and 2008 without telling you who's paying him, stop giving his recommended candidates your dollars.
Hey, fuck you buddy! I'll give money to whoever the hell I want!
Does he think that just because someone with a website (or a column on a website) tells us to do something we will obey without question?
And then Suellentrop says:
If Moulitsas takes money from political candidates in 2006 and 2008 without telling you who's paying him, stop giving his recommended candidates your dollars.
Hey, fuck you buddy! I'll give money to whoever the hell I want!
Does he think that just because someone with a website (or a column on a website) tells us to do something we will obey without question?
http://member.newsguy.com/~robno...s%
20Hannity.mp3
listen to me drill hannity and call armstrong williams a "liberal term"
enjoy! thats how you get at right wing gas bags!
http://member.newsguy.com/~robno...s%
20Hannity.mp3
listen to me drill hannity and call armstrong williams a "liberal term"
enjoy! thats how you get at right wing gas bags!
Does he think that just because someone with a website (or a column on a website) tells us to do something we will obey without question?
Well, the trollie trollz seem to all believe that.
Just 'cause those morons are Limbaughed and/or blinded by the light, doesn't mean the rest of us.
Does he think that just because someone with a website (or a column on a website) tells us to do something we will obey without question?
Well, the trollie trollz seem to all believe that.
Just 'cause those morons are Limbaughed and/or blinded by the light, doesn't mean the rest of us.
are.
are.
The point of all this is to make us forget about Armstrong Williams. Don't let that happen! This is another Rovian maneuver to make us look elsewhere than at the real problem: that the government is paying journalists to transmit hidden propaganda, and the money comes from taxes. Who is responsible within the Bush administration? That's the next question they are trying to steer us away from.
The point of all this is to make us forget about Armstrong Williams. Don't let that happen! This is another Rovian maneuver to make us look elsewhere than at the real problem: that the government is paying journalists to transmit hidden propaganda, and the money comes from taxes. Who is responsible within the Bush administration? That's the next question they are trying to steer us away from.
*Does he think that just because someone with a website (or a column on a website) tells us to do something we will obey without question?*
Yes he does. Think of the dittoheads. Christ, why would any sane, thinking person be proud to be called a "dittohead."
Oh, Okay.
*Does he think that just because someone with a website (or a column on a website) tells us to do something we will obey without question?*
Yes he does. Think of the dittoheads. Christ, why would any sane, thinking person be proud to be called a "dittohead."
Oh, Okay.
and/or blinded by the light
God?
and/or blinded by the light
God?
I posted this at Steve Gilliard's (commenter Jeany at Digby's came up with a beautiful word today, describing Little Ricky Vandal, but I'm stealing it: "spamabout") and then I emailed it to Suellentrop, which activity I hope qualifies me to use the phrase "I'm on spamabout":
OK, here's the story as it now stands:
Zephyr was in contact with two WSJ hacks, with a third WSJ hack on background. WSJ hack #3 got on the phone with Laura Gross, of DFA, and asked her about the story and concluded from their on-background conversation, that there was, in fact, no story.
Meanwhile, WSJ hacks #1 and #2 took the crap Zephyr spewed out for them AND took the on-background stuff from Laura Gross and KNOWINGLY LIED--they made up a story to smear Dean, Kos and Jerome, and to serve as a smokescreen for the Williams payola.
WSJ hacks #1 and #2 KNEW they had no story. WSJ hack #3 had already found that out, from her conversation with Laura Gross.
The WSJ hacks knowingly, on purpose, LIED. They made it up. They lied.
The WSJ was in full possession of all the facts, and made a conscious decision to smear Dean, Kos, and Jerome.
They. Lied.
I posted this at Steve Gilliard's (commenter Jeany at Digby's came up with a beautiful word today, describing Little Ricky Vandal, but I'm stealing it: "spamabout") and then I emailed it to Suellentrop, which activity I hope qualifies me to use the phrase "I'm on spamabout":
OK, here's the story as it now stands:
Zephyr was in contact with two WSJ hacks, with a third WSJ hack on background. WSJ hack #3 got on the phone with Laura Gross, of DFA, and asked her about the story and concluded from their on-background conversation, that there was, in fact, no story.
Meanwhile, WSJ hacks #1 and #2 took the crap Zephyr spewed out for them AND took the on-background stuff from Laura Gross and KNOWINGLY LIED--they made up a story to smear Dean, Kos and Jerome, and to serve as a smokescreen for the Williams payola.
WSJ hacks #1 and #2 KNEW they had no story. WSJ hack #3 had already found that out, from her conversation with Laura Gross.
The WSJ hacks knowingly, on purpose, LIED. They made it up. They lied.
The WSJ was in full possession of all the facts, and made a conscious decision to smear Dean, Kos, and Jerome.
They. Lied.
woowoo!
woowoo!
In addition to venting on this thread, WRITE the !@#$% and tell him what you think! I did and here's what I said: Shame on you! If a conversation about ethics is in order, you, sir, are exhibit A.
suellentropc@slate.com
I do pity a man with a name like Suellen....maybe he has issues....
In addition to venting on this thread, WRITE the !@#$% and tell him what you think! I did and here's what I said: Shame on you! If a conversation about ethics is in order, you, sir, are exhibit A.
suellentropc@slate.com
I do pity a man with a name like Suellen....maybe he has issues....
And I'm really angry at how incredibly stupid some lefties can be. OK, Zephr's a mole and Laura Gross thinks the WSJ is her friend?
Dean looks bad no matter how you slice it. And that sucks. I hope he figures out a way to slam this one into the ground. I can't bear to watch the media destroy Dean over a complete lie, AGAIN.
And, I'm with patriotboy: who is paying for LGF? How much?
How do we find out?
And I'm really angry at how incredibly stupid some lefties can be. OK, Zephr's a mole and Laura Gross thinks the WSJ is her friend?
Dean looks bad no matter how you slice it. And that sucks. I hope he figures out a way to slam this one into the ground. I can't bear to watch the media destroy Dean over a complete lie, AGAIN.
And, I'm with patriotboy: who is paying for LGF? How much?
How do we find out?
The WSJ hacks knowingly, on purpose, LIED. They made it up. They lied.
The WSJ was in full possession of all the facts, and made a conscious decision to smear Dean, Kos, and Jerome.
its ok if you are a Republican (newspaper)
The WSJ hacks knowingly, on purpose, LIED. They made it up. They lied.
The WSJ was in full possession of all the facts, and made a conscious decision to smear Dean, Kos, and Jerome.
its ok if you are a Republican (newspaper)
This whole thing makes me want to throw my hands up and leave the whole country to the wingnuts. Isn't it just too much work? A lie travels around the world before the truth gets its boots on - as long as it's a lie told by a Republican - or at least a newly minted DINO.
(Or maybe it's just Democrats whose names start with "Z.")
Just another example of the fact that the media will never be liberal: Even in the blogosphere, only the rightwing blogs can get traction.
This whole thing makes me want to throw my hands up and leave the whole country to the wingnuts. Isn't it just too much work? A lie travels around the world before the truth gets its boots on - as long as it's a lie told by a Republican - or at least a newly minted DINO.
(Or maybe it's just Democrats whose names start with "Z.")
Just another example of the fact that the media will never be liberal: Even in the blogosphere, only the rightwing blogs can get traction.
Waiting for the day when bush, in oh say a weekend radio address, warns 'Murka of a "growing" and "imminent" threat from Social Security that must be disarmed...
Oh, wait a minute...Bush Warns of Social Security Bankruptcy
Waiting for the day when bush, in oh say a weekend radio address, warns 'Murka of a "growing" and "imminent" threat from Social Security that must be disarmed...
Oh, wait a minute...Bush Warns of Social Security Bankruptcy
The only way this stuff will stop is if there are consequences. I think Zephyr Teachout should have her fellowship taken away. Of course, if she was a, y'know, ethical person, she'd give it up voluntarily and enroll in a class in remedial ethics -- like a kindergarten somewhere.
I'm writing the folks at the Berkman Center that it's laughable to hold a conference on blogging/journalism/ethics/credibility with Zephyr as a fellow. I left a viscous comment at her blog, too, rare for me but warranted.
Here's a link if anyone wants to share a thought with the BC folks, too.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/people
I'm sooooooo angry about this.
The only way this stuff will stop is if there are consequences. I think Zephyr Teachout should have her fellowship taken away. Of course, if she was a, y'know, ethical person, she'd give it up voluntarily and enroll in a class in remedial ethics -- like a kindergarten somewhere.
I'm writing the folks at the Berkman Center that it's laughable to hold a conference on blogging/journalism/ethics/credibility with Zephyr as a fellow. I left a viscous comment at her blog, too, rare for me but warranted.
Here's a link if anyone wants to share a thought with the BC folks, too.
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/people
I'm sooooooo angry about this.
Is Boomer Eisiason an asshole or what? He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
The whole thing is a fucking joke, but what's with these moroon ex-football dorks trying to strain whatever grey matter is left in their empty skulls trying to navigate to GW's ass to kiss it?
Is Boomer Eisiason an asshole or what? He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
The whole thing is a fucking joke, but what's with these moroon ex-football dorks trying to strain whatever grey matter is left in their empty skulls trying to navigate to GW's ass to kiss it?
Atrios: FYI ... Google is serving you "W Ketchup" ads. The tagline is "You don't support democrats. Why should your ketchup."
Atrios: FYI ... Google is serving you "W Ketchup" ads. The tagline is "You don't support democrats. Why should your ketchup."
Let's not be friends with Zephyr any more.
Let's not be friends with Zephyr any more.
I left a viscous comment at her blog, too, rare for me but warranted.
The comment had a syrupy, glutinous consistency? That's quite a feat.
(Could have happened to any of us, CS, but I just had to laugh 
I left a viscous comment at her blog, too, rare for me but warranted.
The comment had a syrupy, glutinous consistency? That's quite a feat.
(Could have happened to any of us, CS, but I just had to laugh
This is what Dean gets for stooping low enough to go Ivy League...
This is what Dean gets for stooping low enough to go Ivy League...
See, that's the thing: the VRWC has this machinery in place so that when Williams gets busted for payola, the story--the history--becomes about how Dean paid bloggers to shill for him, thus discrediting Dean (and his run for DNC Chair), the left-wing blogosphere, and the Williams payola story. All at once. It's economical. It's efficient.
What will we do about it? We see the same thing happen over and over. What do we do about it?
See, that's the thing: the VRWC has this machinery in place so that when Williams gets busted for payola, the story--the history--becomes about how Dean paid bloggers to shill for him, thus discrediting Dean (and his run for DNC Chair), the left-wing blogosphere, and the Williams payola story. All at once. It's economical. It's efficient.
What will we do about it? We see the same thing happen over and over. What do we do about it?
"W Ketchup"... The tagline is "You don't support democrats. Why should your ketchup."
just followed the link- gimme a break!
google- jeez....
"W Ketchup"... The tagline is "You don't support democrats. Why should your ketchup."
just followed the link- gimme a break!
google- jeez....
MEMO TO THE DNC
The Republican's are terrified of Dean. So, that is why you give him the job. OK!
MEMO TO THE DNC
The Republican's are terrified of Dean. So, that is why you give him the job. OK!
Dean looks bad no matter how you slice it.
In what parallel universe? The one in which all candidates look bad for hiring consultants and producing ads? That's all this is; "Look, Bushco got caught STEALING taxpayer money and giving it to a so-called "journalist" to shill its policies in column inches owned by other people (media companies) and on airwaves owned by other people (the public) and never revealed he was a paid propagandist - but this Dean guy...HE took private funds and paid a couple of guys who owned PRIVATE websites to do consulting, and they disclosed it. See? Democrats are even WORSE than Republicans!"
Look, I know it's discouraging that some people are stupid enough not to know bullshit when they see it, but there's no way ANY of this "looks bad" for Dean, any more than it "looks bad" for a candidate to pay someone to do an ad voice-over saying nice things about the candidate. It's a non-issue, other than for the fact that the WSJ knowingly slandered Kos and Jerome Armstrong, for which they should be sued. It's the only way the real facts will ever get any play in the SCLM.
Dean looks bad no matter how you slice it.
In what parallel universe? The one in which all candidates look bad for hiring consultants and producing ads? That's all this is; "Look, Bushco got caught STEALING taxpayer money and giving it to a so-called "journalist" to shill its policies in column inches owned by other people (media companies) and on airwaves owned by other people (the public) and never revealed he was a paid propagandist - but this Dean guy...HE took private funds and paid a couple of guys who owned PRIVATE websites to do consulting, and they disclosed it. See? Democrats are even WORSE than Republicans!"
Look, I know it's discouraging that some people are stupid enough not to know bullshit when they see it, but there's no way ANY of this "looks bad" for Dean, any more than it "looks bad" for a candidate to pay someone to do an ad voice-over saying nice things about the candidate. It's a non-issue, other than for the fact that the WSJ knowingly slandered Kos and Jerome Armstrong, for which they should be sued. It's the only way the real facts will ever get any play in the SCLM.
He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
Great, social analysis from somebody named "Boomer".
Hate to generalize, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard an athlete say something intelligent.
I'm from a blue state, and I thought Moss's "gesture" was very ill-advised.
Granted, that's mostly because I cannot for the life of me understand why wide receivers feel the need to become mimes whenever they score a touchdown.
He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
Great, social analysis from somebody named "Boomer".
Hate to generalize, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've heard an athlete say something intelligent.
I'm from a blue state, and I thought Moss's "gesture" was very ill-advised.
Granted, that's mostly because I cannot for the life of me understand why wide receivers feel the need to become mimes whenever they score a touchdown.
Just another example of the fact that the media will never be liberal: Even in the blogosphere, only the rightwing blogs can get traction.
Auguste | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:54 pm | #
I disagree. This smear job was done to discredit the left blogs, and Dean. Bushco and the right-wingnuts know that interest in lefty blogs is on the rise.
This was a chance to take them done a peg. Put them in their place,as it were.
To compare this to Armstrong Williams is ridiculous.
Just another example of the fact that the media will never be liberal: Even in the blogosphere, only the rightwing blogs can get traction.
Auguste | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:54 pm | #
I disagree. This smear job was done to discredit the left blogs, and Dean. Bushco and the right-wingnuts know that interest in lefty blogs is on the rise.
This was a chance to take them done a peg. Put them in their place,as it were.
To compare this to Armstrong Williams is ridiculous.
OT: Raw Titan images:
http://mars.lyle.org/titan/
OT: Raw Titan images:
http://mars.lyle.org/titan/
enjoy! thats how you get at right wing gas bags!
will | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:39 pm | #
enjoy! thats how you get at right wing gas bags!
will | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:39 pm | #
The sky just gets browner and browner...
The sky just gets browner and browner...
yeah hannity tried to tell he didnt know about the administrations fake news reports... so i either exposed him as a liar or a dumbass. or both. haha
yeah hannity tried to tell he didnt know about the administrations fake news reports... so i either exposed him as a liar or a dumbass. or both. haha
enjoy! thats how you get at right wing gas bags!
will | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:39 pm | #
For the second time. I tried to listen to this for about five minutes. It was Hannity interviewing Rossi and spreading lies about the election in WA. Then it crashed my computer.
If you try to email him, you get the standard email page which then goes blank on its own.
Just a warning.
enjoy! thats how you get at right wing gas bags!
will | Email | Homepage | 01.15.05 - 3:39 pm | #
For the second time. I tried to listen to this for about five minutes. It was Hannity interviewing Rossi and spreading lies about the election in WA. Then it crashed my computer.
If you try to email him, you get the standard email page which then goes blank on its own.
Just a warning.
http://member.newsguy.com/~robno...s%
20Hannity.mp3
quilt lady, i'm in last five minutes after the rossi interview. i'm sorry your cpu crashed.. mine didn't. i posted this on newshounds and alot of people comented on it, so it's not some trick as for my emial, i don't know i just created it a couple of days ago so go figure
PEACE
http://member.newsguy.com/~robno...s%
20Hannity.mp3
quilt lady, i'm in last five minutes after the rossi interview. i'm sorry your cpu crashed.. mine didn't. i posted this on newshounds and alot of people comented on it, so it's not some trick as for my emial, i don't know i just created it a couple of days ago so go figure
PEACE
Thank you, QuiltLady. I almost followed that link, but I was worried about something like that happening.
http://member.newsguy.com/~robno...s%
20Hannity.mp3
quilt lady, i'm in last five minutes after the rossi interview. i'm sorry your cpu crashed.. mine didn't. i posted this on newshounds and alot of people comented on it, so it's not some trick as for my emial, i don't know i just created it a couple of days ago so go figure
PEACE
Thank you, QuiltLady. I almost followed that link, but I was worried about something like that happening.
http://member.newsguy.com/~robno...s%
20Hannity.mp3
quilt lady, i'm in last five minutes after the rossi interview. i'm sorry your cpu crashed.. mine didn't. i posted this on newshounds and alot of people comented on it, so it's not some trick as for my emial, i don't know i just created it a couple of days ago so go figure
PEACE
OT: Raw Titan images:
http://mars.lyle.org/titan/
Oh baby I like it raaaaww...
OT: Raw Titan images:
http://mars.lyle.org/titan/
Oh baby I like it raaaaww...
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
jesus, it couldn't be quilt ladies cpu could it? cmon. she sounds like she has alot of spyware on her cpu, her media player crased, her browser went blank, that all sounds like sppyware.. how could my mp3 do that? let's get real here..i'm not trying to be nasty but that's retarded
jesus, it couldn't be quilt ladies cpu could it? cmon. she sounds like she has alot of spyware on her cpu, her media player crased, her browser went blank, that all sounds like sppyware.. how could my mp3 do that? let's get real here..i'm not trying to be nasty but that's retarded
Couldn't email someone else, so maybe the email is my fault.
Couldn't email someone else, so maybe the email is my fault.
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
Jennifer,
I hope you're right.
I worry because it makes Dean look bad because he's hiring moles and/or spies and generally incompetent, foolish people.
I hope he wins this one. I LOVE him. I think he's the best choice for any number of posts. Including President.
I hope very much that you're right.
Jennifer,
I hope you're right.
I worry because it makes Dean look bad because he's hiring moles and/or spies and generally incompetent, foolish people.
I hope he wins this one. I LOVE him. I think he's the best choice for any number of posts. Including President.
I hope very much that you're right.
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
I worry because it makes Dean look bad
Look bad to whom? To those who will pick the new DNC chair?
Otherwise, who cares?
I worry because it makes Dean look bad
Look bad to whom? To those who will pick the new DNC chair?
Otherwise, who cares?
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
I worry about the Dean thing, because I worry that there are a lot of party members/officials who are so skittish and afraid of giving the other side "ammunition" who might be scared off of voting for Dean for DNC chair.
In other words, this "scandal" itself doesn't worry me so much as the Dems' fears about what the Right will say about it do.
I worry about the Dean thing, because I worry that there are a lot of party members/officials who are so skittish and afraid of giving the other side "ammunition" who might be scared off of voting for Dean for DNC chair.
In other words, this "scandal" itself doesn't worry me so much as the Dems' fears about what the Right will say about it do.
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
01...si.php#comments
PEACE
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
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PEACE
I'm not the brightest bulb on the string. ? How did Dean get Dept. of Ed. money to pay a tech.? If fundies don't belive in evolution how do they explain the King James version of their bible? and woman standing on her head after intercourse so that the sperm would travel the right way.
just how short was that dick?
I'm not the brightest bulb on the string. ? How did Dean get Dept. of Ed. money to pay a tech.? If fundies don't belive in evolution how do they explain the King James version of their bible? and woman standing on her head after intercourse so that the sperm would travel the right way.
just how short was that dick?
Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
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Will - Do you have a link to the Newshounds thing. I'd like to read it.
yeah here ya go
http://www.newshounds.us/2005/
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ENOUGH WILL
ENOUGH WILL
"I worry because it makes Dean look bad"
Look bad to whom? To those who will pick the new DNC chair?
They're not neophytes. As opinion-leaders, they've all been hired by campaigns in the past. They'll see this for what it is.
"I worry because it makes Dean look bad"
Look bad to whom? To those who will pick the new DNC chair?
They're not neophytes. As opinion-leaders, they've all been hired by campaigns in the past. They'll see this for what it is.
In other words, this "scandal" itself doesn't worry me so much as the Dems' fears about what the Right will say about it do.
I say we stop worrying abut what those asholes might say. They're afraid of Dean. That's a good thing.
Let's give THEM something to worry about - Howard Dean.
In other words, this "scandal" itself doesn't worry me so much as the Dems' fears about what the Right will say about it do.
I say we stop worrying abut what those asholes might say. They're afraid of Dean. That's a good thing.
Let's give THEM something to worry about - Howard Dean.
i don't know why it keeps double posting.
my bad
i don't know why it keeps double posting.
my bad
Will, it looks like others have been able to download your call. I'll give it a try.
Word of advice: use snipurl.com when you're posting long links.
Will, it looks like others have been able to download your call. I'll give it a try.
Word of advice: use snipurl.com when you're posting long links.
I agree with Jennifer - that's just stupid. The last person who "looks bad" over this is Dean. The people who look bad are Zephyr (and she better hope she never runs into me if I have clippers on me - I'd be happy to revive that lovely old tradition of shaving the heads of collaborators -), and the WSJ.
I do not for the life of me see how Dean could look bad for not doing anything wrong, for pete's sake. The only reason Dean might look bad is because they are trying to make him look bad.
Goddamn it.
I agree with Jennifer - that's just stupid. The last person who "looks bad" over this is Dean. The people who look bad are Zephyr (and she better hope she never runs into me if I have clippers on me - I'd be happy to revive that lovely old tradition of shaving the heads of collaborators -), and the WSJ.
I do not for the life of me see how Dean could look bad for not doing anything wrong, for pete's sake. The only reason Dean might look bad is because they are trying to make him look bad.
Goddamn it.
if you hate hannity, you'll like the call i made to him.i never heard anybody talk to him quite like that.
if you hate hannity, you'll like the call i made to him.i never heard anybody talk to him quite like that.
OT
From thismodernworld.com:
January 15, 2005
Baba Wawa
I'm paraphrasing from memory, but after the initial pre-interview chitchat she says something to Bush like, "Okay, if you're ready, let's begin the torture." And everyone has a hearty chuckle.
Didn't anyone at ABC cringe when they watched that footage?
posted by Tom Tomorrow at 08:52 AM |
Anyone able to get a transcript? this is unbelievable if true (and I'm sure Tom is telling the truth)
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From thismodernworld.com:
January 15, 2005
Baba Wawa
I'm paraphrasing from memory, but after the initial pre-interview chitchat she says something to Bush like, "Okay, if you're ready, let's begin the torture." And everyone has a hearty chuckle.
Didn't anyone at ABC cringe when they watched that footage?
posted by Tom Tomorrow at 08:52 AM |
Anyone able to get a transcript? this is unbelievable if true (and I'm sure Tom is telling the truth)
Has anyone noticed Armstrong Williams is no longer an issue ?
Has anyone noticed Armstrong Williams is no longer an issue ?
On the Canadian program, Dean said: "If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests, in both sides, in both parties. The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."
On the Canadian program, Dean said: "If you look at the caucuses system, they are dominated by the special interests, in both sides, in both parties. The special interests don't represent the centrist tendencies of the American people. They represent the extremes."
Is Iraq still an issue?
Is Iraq still an issue?
Is Boomer Eisiason an asshole or what? He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
I thought the Randy Moss thing would easily win most outrageous overblown and ridiculous story of the week. But nooooooooooooo. The week finished strong.
1. This incredibly fucking LIE from the Right-Wing facilitated by Zethyr Teachout, the QUISLING of the blogosphere.
2. President Fuckup saying he had absolutely no regrets.
What a fucking joke of a week.
Is Boomer Eisiason an asshole or what? He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
I thought the Randy Moss thing would easily win most outrageous overblown and ridiculous story of the week. But nooooooooooooo. The week finished strong.
1. This incredibly fucking LIE from the Right-Wing facilitated by Zethyr Teachout, the QUISLING of the blogosphere.
2. President Fuckup saying he had absolutely no regrets.
What a fucking joke of a week.
Realize that , I'm sure, a large percentage of the offended comment worriers, no matter how they self-describe their politics are, like so many C-SPAN callers, plants meant to disrupt the conversation and skew it into odd new dimensions. And, as many know, the whore press fan these flames to score Nantucket beach houses and gratis dinners.
I don't think l'affair Cummings is a setback...I mean are their huge numbers of Rethug-types reading print articles? They are hearing snippets and misdirected book-review-treatment snippets of some of what was discussed in print...they fact that these "brain cheetos" don't stick to gray matter explains why the Bob "Spank Me I'm a Dirty Boy" Walker-types have to keep hammering the ever-changing fantasy mantras.
That these "stories" progress as far as they do on the intellectual side is more damning evidence against the lazy inept hacks filling the top established ranks of the Democratic Party. I mean everybody wants a Nantucket beach house, right?
Attack, attack, attack and force messy public legal squabbles when appropriate...airtime, airtime, airtime...Democratic leaders, including some who have been keeping their powder dry, who want to retain power will get with the paradigm shift.
Realize that , I'm sure, a large percentage of the offended comment worriers, no matter how they self-describe their politics are, like so many C-SPAN callers, plants meant to disrupt the conversation and skew it into odd new dimensions. And, as many know, the whore press fan these flames to score Nantucket beach houses and gratis dinners.
I don't think l'affair Cummings is a setback...I mean are their huge numbers of Rethug-types reading print articles? They are hearing snippets and misdirected book-review-treatment snippets of some of what was discussed in print...they fact that these "brain cheetos" don't stick to gray matter explains why the Bob "Spank Me I'm a Dirty Boy" Walker-types have to keep hammering the ever-changing fantasy mantras.
That these "stories" progress as far as they do on the intellectual side is more damning evidence against the lazy inept hacks filling the top established ranks of the Democratic Party. I mean everybody wants a Nantucket beach house, right?
Attack, attack, attack and force messy public legal squabbles when appropriate...airtime, airtime, airtime...Democratic leaders, including some who have been keeping their powder dry, who want to retain power will get with the paradigm shift.
Its simple really.
Kos was paid for HIS information and expertise.
Williams was paid to say what Bush wanted him to say.
What's so hard about that?
Start repeating it so it sinks in.
Bluto W Bush - 3:36 pm
Connect the dots for me.
What was Neil Bush's expertise for Grace Semiconductor Manufacturiing Corporation?
Its simple really.
Kos was paid for HIS information and expertise.
Williams was paid to say what Bush wanted him to say.
What's so hard about that?
Start repeating it so it sinks in.
Bluto W Bush - 3:36 pm
Connect the dots for me.
What was Neil Bush's expertise for Grace Semiconductor Manufacturiing Corporation?
Meanwhile, a complaint by the Kerry campaign about the conduct of two Dean campaign volunteers led Dean officials to terminate the volunteers' involvement in the former governor's organization.
In a letter late Thursday to the Kerry campaign, Iowans for Dean State Director Jeani Murray said the two staffers "however earnest, misrepresented themselves and the campaign" and "can no longer work for our campaign in any capacity."
She added, "Our field organizers' guide clearly states that people who work for Howard Dean shall abide by ethical standards and a code of conduct that subscribes to high standards."
Murray declined to provide additional details.
Someone mentioned a mole?
Meanwhile, a complaint by the Kerry campaign about the conduct of two Dean campaign volunteers led Dean officials to terminate the volunteers' involvement in the former governor's organization.
In a letter late Thursday to the Kerry campaign, Iowans for Dean State Director Jeani Murray said the two staffers "however earnest, misrepresented themselves and the campaign" and "can no longer work for our campaign in any capacity."
She added, "Our field organizers' guide clearly states that people who work for Howard Dean shall abide by ethical standards and a code of conduct that subscribes to high standards."
Murray declined to provide additional details.
Someone mentioned a mole?
if you hate hannity, you'll like the call i made to him.i never heard anybody talk to him quite like that.
I do hate Hannity!
What time should I skip to?
if you hate hannity, you'll like the call i made to him.i never heard anybody talk to him quite like that.
I do hate Hannity!
What time should I skip to?
PS Boomer is an asshole...I remember a few years ago he whispered a filthy, perverted suggestion to a young female relative of mine working in a local restaurant. She whispered back that he could shove his perverted remark up his ass and that if he bothered her again she would make sure his wife (her family live in the same small town and know mutual friends)was informed of his disgusting behavior. Big tough Boomer skipped away from this petite blond powerhouse like a little girl...
PS Boomer is an asshole...I remember a few years ago he whispered a filthy, perverted suggestion to a young female relative of mine working in a local restaurant. She whispered back that he could shove his perverted remark up his ass and that if he bothered her again she would make sure his wife (her family live in the same small town and know mutual friends)was informed of his disgusting behavior. Big tough Boomer skipped away from this petite blond powerhouse like a little girl...
The word "Wanker" is just plain fun to say. "Damn that fucker is a wanker." Ha Ha ha 
The word "Wanker" is just plain fun to say. "Damn that fucker is a wanker." Ha Ha ha
Has anyone noticed Armstrong Williams is no longer an issue ?
Today's story.
WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) ordered an investigation Friday into whether conservative commentator Armstrong Williams broke the law by failing to disclose he was paid by the Bush administration to plug the president's education agenda.
This is still news, and we have to make sure it stays that way.
Also Friday, two Democratic senators asked the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, to review whether any other federal agencies have paid commentators to support the administration's agenda.
Sens. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate whether the Education Department's payment to Williams violated a ban on propaganda — and, if so, to determine who should be held accountable.
Has anyone noticed Armstrong Williams is no longer an issue ?
Today's story.
WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) ordered an investigation Friday into whether conservative commentator Armstrong Williams broke the law by failing to disclose he was paid by the Bush administration to plug the president's education agenda.
This is still news, and we have to make sure it stays that way.
Also Friday, two Democratic senators asked the Government Accountability Office, Congress' investigative arm, to review whether any other federal agencies have paid commentators to support the administration's agenda.
Sens. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., asked the Government Accountability Office to investigate whether the Education Department's payment to Williams violated a ban on propaganda — and, if so, to determine who should be held accountable.
During the presidental campaign, establishment Dems didn't want Dean, and while I know he goofed up at times, they still worked very hard to capitalize on his mistakes and undermine his candidacy. Remember "Dean is unelectable"? The establishment Dems started this meme and then made sure the prophecy was fulfilled.
I think we are seeing a similar campaign by Clinton, Kerry and other establishment DNCers to bury Dean. Teachout and Trippi are just willing foot soldiers in the war against him, and I'm afraid that, once again, the establishment will win. Once they get the guy they want, we will all be told to fall in line and give our full support and cooperation to the winner.
And, of course, we probably will. What are our alternatives? We are the useful idiots of the party.
During the presidental campaign, establishment Dems didn't want Dean, and while I know he goofed up at times, they still worked very hard to capitalize on his mistakes and undermine his candidacy. Remember "Dean is unelectable"? The establishment Dems started this meme and then made sure the prophecy was fulfilled.
I think we are seeing a similar campaign by Clinton, Kerry and other establishment DNCers to bury Dean. Teachout and Trippi are just willing foot soldiers in the war against him, and I'm afraid that, once again, the establishment will win. Once they get the guy they want, we will all be told to fall in line and give our full support and cooperation to the winner.
And, of course, we probably will. What are our alternatives? We are the useful idiots of the party.
Look.....Armstrong Williams!
Look.....Armstrong Williams!
Sorry, "Stuck in Junior High" should be changed to Susan
Sorry, "Stuck in Junior High" should be changed to Susan
What time should I skip to?
the last five minutes or so, right after the rossi interview i come on
What time should I skip to?
the last five minutes or so, right after the rossi interview i come on
Thanks pie...I can go back to sleep now.
Thanks pie...I can go back to sleep now.
stuck - And, of course, we probably will. What are our alternatives? We are the useful idiots of the party.
Hey, stuck, speak for yourself. You don't have any business saying what I will and won't do and I think that goes for everyone else, too.
Who died and appointed you the spokesperson for liberal democrats?
stuck - And, of course, we probably will. What are our alternatives? We are the useful idiots of the party.
Hey, stuck, speak for yourself. You don't have any business saying what I will and won't do and I think that goes for everyone else, too.
Who died and appointed you the spokesperson for liberal democrats?
Then there's this gem;
The team raising money for next week's festivities marking President Bush's inauguration has taken in $25.5 million, mostly in donations from corporations, it reported Friday.
Those poor, poor corporations. No money to spend.
Then there's this gem;
The team raising money for next week's festivities marking President Bush's inauguration has taken in $25.5 million, mostly in donations from corporations, it reported Friday.
Those poor, poor corporations. No money to spend.
I cannot believe Hannity is bitching about the WA election.
Let's have a trade. You can revote in Washington if we also have a revote in Ohio.
Jackasses.
I cannot believe Hannity is bitching about the WA election.
Let's have a trade. You can revote in Washington if we also have a revote in Ohio.
Jackasses.
markers make, night night.
Or keep drinking that bourbon.
markers make, night night.
Or keep drinking that bourbon.
Is Boomer Eisiason an asshole or what? He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
NO! NOT BOOMER!
Please, somebody tell me that Boomer isn't this much of an ass-hat!
WHat a world we live in.
(And I still haven't gotten over Johnny Ramone.)
Is Boomer Eisiason an asshole or what? He just said that you probably think Randy Moss's fake moon shot was ok if you're from a blue state.
NO! NOT BOOMER!
Please, somebody tell me that Boomer isn't this much of an ass-hat!
WHat a world we live in.
(And I still haven't gotten over Johnny Ramone.)
I hate Hannity with eery fiber in my bran flakes.
Someone needs to take him down and expose him for the anti-intellectual, mean-spirited tool he is.
I hate Hannity with eery fiber in my bran flakes.
Someone needs to take him down and expose him for the anti-intellectual, mean-spirited tool he is.
markers make, night night.
Or keep drinking that bourbon.
pie
Bourbon !!!! Helps to handle four more years.
markers make, night night.
Or keep drinking that bourbon.
pie
Bourbon !!!! Helps to handle four more years.
PPS--I wish someone would post portions of Bawa Wawa's interview with the Pretzeldent and First Lady Paxil, er I mean, Laura.
While I didn't watch I've heard the Pretzeldent with Barney was hysterical...Wawa, after watching the dog ignore Jr. and cringe when he came close, apparantly said, "He (the dog) doesn't seem to know you, Mr. President...
Then, when Paxil, I mean, Laura was showing off her hideous purple and orange redo of the Lincoln bedroom, Wawa said, "Don't you think it's a little garish?" Our Paxil, always a quick one replied, "Well, maybe a little."
Several gracious ladies I know said the moment was almost painful but quite funny.
PPS--I wish someone would post portions of Bawa Wawa's interview with the Pretzeldent and First Lady Paxil, er I mean, Laura.
While I didn't watch I've heard the Pretzeldent with Barney was hysterical...Wawa, after watching the dog ignore Jr. and cringe when he came close, apparantly said, "He (the dog) doesn't seem to know you, Mr. President...
Then, when Paxil, I mean, Laura was showing off her hideous purple and orange redo of the Lincoln bedroom, Wawa said, "Don't you think it's a little garish?" Our Paxil, always a quick one replied, "Well, maybe a little."
Several gracious ladies I know said the moment was almost painful but quite funny.
pie, Jennifer, Tena--all of you, I hope you're right. I'm worried and angry because I remember the whole "scream" lie.
I think this might very well keep Dean from getting the DNC Chair. I think that might be part of the point of this whole crapfest.
The good news is, they fear him. The bad news is, he seems to be surrounded by spies and moles and incompetents.
I will be happy if you all are right.
But you should remember that just because you're smart and reasonable and kind and honest doesn't mean other people are.
"every" ~
Oy.
pie, Jennifer, Tena--all of you, I hope you're right. I'm worried and angry because I remember the whole "scream" lie.
I think this might very well keep Dean from getting the DNC Chair. I think that might be part of the point of this whole crapfest.
The good news is, they fear him. The bad news is, he seems to be surrounded by spies and moles and incompetents.
I will be happy if you all are right.
But you should remember that just because you're smart and reasonable and kind and honest doesn't mean other people are.
"every" ~
Oy.
Boomer Eisiason. A true christian...And an American patriot.
Okay, if you're ready, let's begin the torture. Ahhh, good times.
Boomer Eisiason. A true christian...And an American patriot.
Okay, if you're ready, let's begin the torture. Ahhh, good times.
vicki listen to my call to hannity, i made him stumble and bumble like a retard.
vicki listen to my call to hannity, i made him stumble and bumble like a retard.
Hannity's entire rhetorical strategy seems to be to just repeat the word "liberal" as many times as he possibly can.
That this actually succeeds in convincing people he is right ... I don't know what to say about that.
Hannity's entire rhetorical strategy seems to be to just repeat the word "liberal" as many times as he possibly can.
That this actually succeeds in convincing people he is right ... I don't know what to say about that.
I cannot believe Hannity is bitching about the WA election.
Let's have a trade. You can revote in Washington if we also have a revote in Ohio.
Jackasses.
Grey Psoda
Funny, our rethugs were never remotely concerned about voting irregularities, counting votes properly, or a "broken election system" when their guy was ahead by 42 votes and they were calling on Gregoire to concede.
I cannot believe Hannity is bitching about the WA election.
Let's have a trade. You can revote in Washington if we also have a revote in Ohio.
Jackasses.
Grey Psoda
Funny, our rethugs were never remotely concerned about voting irregularities, counting votes properly, or a "broken election system" when their guy was ahead by 42 votes and they were calling on Gregoire to concede.
Yeah, Hannity did sound like a retard.
He was trying to equate A. Williams getting paid w/ taxpayer money to spout govt. propaganda with Democratic activists funding talk radio shows!!
"But .. but ... you're a librul!"
Hannity = the original fucktard.
Yeah, Hannity did sound like a retard.
He was trying to equate A. Williams getting paid w/ taxpayer money to spout govt. propaganda with Democratic activists funding talk radio shows!!
"But .. but ... you're a librul!"
Hannity = the original fucktard.
Bourbon !!!! Helps to handle four more years.
markers make
I'm a red wine person in general, but like vodka when I have occasion to drink the hard stuff. I really like screwdrivers, I get my Vitamin C and my "Vitamin V".
Bourbon !!!! Helps to handle four more years.
markers make
I'm a red wine person in general, but like vodka when I have occasion to drink the hard stuff. I really like screwdrivers, I get my Vitamin C and my "Vitamin V".
But you should remember that just because you're smart and reasonable and kind and honest doesn't mean other people are.
mg_65
This is always going to be a challenge, to be decent amongst people in power who are without decency and any sense of honor and integrity.
It's like a Tower of Babel situation, in a way. Completely different languages.
Sounds like - and I won't speak for others - I need to evolve very quickly to keep my ethics intact while learning to ... what? Kill? Destroy?
There must be a way to fight back that hasn't been rendered useless and foolish by the rabid right.
But you should remember that just because you're smart and reasonable and kind and honest doesn't mean other people are.
mg_65
This is always going to be a challenge, to be decent amongst people in power who are without decency and any sense of honor and integrity.
It's like a Tower of Babel situation, in a way. Completely different languages.
Sounds like - and I won't speak for others - I need to evolve very quickly to keep my ethics intact while learning to ... what? Kill? Destroy?
There must be a way to fight back that hasn't been rendered useless and foolish by the rabid right.
"Hey, stuck, speak for yourself. You don't have any business saying what I will and won't do and I think that goes for everyone else, too.
Who died and appointed you the spokesperson for liberal democrats?"
Tina, I don't believe that I said that everyone WILL fall in line. Here are my exact words: "And, of course, we probably will. What are our alternatives?" I used the word probably to suggest that we might since we usually do, but maybe not...
For myself, if we find out that the establishment Dems were complicit in destroying Dean, I will be utterly fed up and finished with them. And, I will find another way (Greens, maybe) to express my values and support my country.
"Hey, stuck, speak for yourself. You don't have any business saying what I will and won't do and I think that goes for everyone else, too.
Who died and appointed you the spokesperson for liberal democrats?"
Tina, I don't believe that I said that everyone WILL fall in line. Here are my exact words: "And, of course, we probably will. What are our alternatives?" I used the word probably to suggest that we might since we usually do, but maybe not...
For myself, if we find out that the establishment Dems were complicit in destroying Dean, I will be utterly fed up and finished with them. And, I will find another way (Greens, maybe) to express my values and support my country.
I once made a statement that if I ever saw Hannity, I would punch him in the face. And I will.
I don't think any of my friends doubt that I will do this.
My local Ralph's grocery has his book (in paperback) in the book section. I always read a few lines, just so I can say,"Yeah, I've read some of his book."
I always call Colin Powell a piece of human garbage. If I had something stronger to apply to Hannity, I would use it.
What an ass-hat!
So if you hear on the "news" that some master's student slugged Hannity, you can say, "That guy must be Hoosier X!"
I once made a statement that if I ever saw Hannity, I would punch him in the face. And I will.
I don't think any of my friends doubt that I will do this.
My local Ralph's grocery has his book (in paperback) in the book section. I always read a few lines, just so I can say,"Yeah, I've read some of his book."
I always call Colin Powell a piece of human garbage. If I had something stronger to apply to Hannity, I would use it.
What an ass-hat!
So if you hear on the "news" that some master's student slugged Hannity, you can say, "That guy must be Hoosier X!"
What a fucking joke of a week.
15 JANUARY 2005
New York:
The Kleenex Corporation today released a statement warning of an impending shortages in all of its soft paper products, especially facial tissue and toliet paper.
"It's a serious crisis," said company spokesman Richard Whype.
"The problem, in a word, is that there are just too many fucking wankers, wanking away, wank, wank wank. Specifically, it's the conservative media -- whcih is all of it, really -- and the right wing blogosphere.
"And all these wankers, well, they need to clean up after themselves. That's causing a devastating strain on our production lines. Why, I heard that one law professor somewhere in the south goes through five TONS of Soft n' Soothing tissue every fucking week.
"What a tremendous wanker."
Officials from the Jurgens corporation have expressed similar concerns, complaining about "all these fucking wankers, wanking away, wank wank wank. God, it's no secret that they have clinical levels of friction dick over there at NRO. Frankly, we don't need our products associated with such incredible levels of wanking.
"Wankers."
What a fucking joke of a week.
15 JANUARY 2005
New York:
The Kleenex Corporation today released a statement warning of an impending shortages in all of its soft paper products, especially facial tissue and toliet paper.
"It's a serious crisis," said company spokesman Richard Whype.
"The problem, in a word, is that there are just too many fucking wankers, wanking away, wank, wank wank. Specifically, it's the conservative media -- whcih is all of it, really -- and the right wing blogosphere.
"And all these wankers, well, they need to clean up after themselves. That's causing a devastating strain on our production lines. Why, I heard that one law professor somewhere in the south goes through five TONS of Soft n' Soothing tissue every fucking week.
"What a tremendous wanker."
Officials from the Jurgens corporation have expressed similar concerns, complaining about "all these fucking wankers, wanking away, wank wank wank. God, it's no secret that they have clinical levels of friction dick over there at NRO. Frankly, we don't need our products associated with such incredible levels of wanking.
"Wankers."
I never drink red wine because it stains my teeth.
Hoosier X, that's awesome. We should all take that vow.
I never drink red wine because it stains my teeth.
Hoosier X, that's awesome. We should all take that vow.
I cannot believe Hannity is bitching about the WA election.
It's partly to deflect criticism of the Ohio election by implying irregularities happen when a Democrat wins too.
I cannot believe Hannity is bitching about the WA election.
It's partly to deflect criticism of the Ohio election by implying irregularities happen when a Democrat wins too.
plus, tissues make lovely coronaugural ball gowns for wankie willow wepublicans!!!
plus, tissues make lovely coronaugural ball gowns for wankie willow wepublicans!!!
Hannity's entire rhetorical strategy seems to be to just repeat the word "liberal" as many times as he possibly can.
Not to mention how he says it, like he's spitting something vile and distasteful from his mouth. One would think if it was actually that disgusting for him, he wouldn't say it quite so often.
Hannity's entire rhetorical strategy seems to be to just repeat the word "liberal" as many times as he possibly can.
Not to mention how he says it, like he's spitting something vile and distasteful from his mouth. One would think if it was actually that disgusting for him, he wouldn't say it quite so often.
There must be a way to fight back that hasn't been rendered useless and foolish by the rabid right.
Hello, Sarah
We all have to keep trying, and doing what we can with our resources and our skills.
I'm almost out of time here at the library, but I am working on an essay that will be on my blog, mushtown.blogspot.com, about my own methods of having personal discussions with these ass-hats.
There must be a way to fight back that hasn't been rendered useless and foolish by the rabid right.
Hello, Sarah
We all have to keep trying, and doing what we can with our resources and our skills.
I'm almost out of time here at the library, but I am working on an essay that will be on my blog, mushtown.blogspot.com, about my own methods of having personal discussions with these ass-hats.
like he's spitting something vile and distasteful
Just like they say, "Democrat Party".
like he's spitting something vile and distasteful
Just like they say, "Democrat Party".
Susan,
you are right, if it turns out that this is dirty tricks from the Dems, to smear Dean, then they are finished. That will be it, end of story. Dig the grave and bury them.
Susan,
you are right, if it turns out that this is dirty tricks from the Dems, to smear Dean, then they are finished. That will be it, end of story. Dig the grave and bury them.
Look! Janet Jackson's breast!
he, he. I'm so funny.
Look! Janet Jackson's breast!
he, he. I'm so funny.
i own3d hannity, seriously... he kept trying to zing me but i stayed on point and kept drilling him. that is how you fight back agianst these far right scum bags.
peace and hope you enjoyed that.
i own3d hannity, seriously... he kept trying to zing me but i stayed on point and kept drilling him. that is how you fight back agianst these far right scum bags.
peace and hope you enjoyed that.
Susan - that's fine - you are free to do what you will. But intimating that the rest of us "will probably fall in line" and that we are "useful idiots," is hardly fair.
And if this entire situation begins to devolve into another protracted argument on the left over Dean vs. Kerry - we might as well put the barrel of the gun to our collective temple and pull the trigger.
Susan - that's fine - you are free to do what you will. But intimating that the rest of us "will probably fall in line" and that we are "useful idiots," is hardly fair.
And if this entire situation begins to devolve into another protracted argument on the left over Dean vs. Kerry - we might as well put the barrel of the gun to our collective temple and pull the trigger.
Hoosier X - too true about Esiason. Watching him, there wasn't a doubt in my mind that he's angling to be the next block-headed ex-jock/sports analyst to run for office as a repig (see: J.D. Hayworth, J.C. Watts, Tom Osborne, Steve Largent).
What I got a kick out off was that they did a cute little animated "Thursty Awards" show (kind of a "hall of shame"). Moss took home the big prize and the character then mooned the podium. The MC exclaimed "Holy Warren Moon! Well, if Joe Buck thinks that's the most disgusting thing he's ever seen, he hasn't watched FOX lately."
They cut back to the panel and Boomer looked like he'd just been force-fed a handful of thumbtacks. It was bee-uty-full.
-
Hoosier X - too true about Esiason. Watching him, there wasn't a doubt in my mind that he's angling to be the next block-headed ex-jock/sports analyst to run for office as a repig (see: J.D. Hayworth, J.C. Watts, Tom Osborne, Steve Largent).
What I got a kick out off was that they did a cute little animated "Thursty Awards" show (kind of a "hall of shame"). Moss took home the big prize and the character then mooned the podium. The MC exclaimed "Holy Warren Moon! Well, if Joe Buck thinks that's the most disgusting thing he's ever seen, he hasn't watched FOX lately."
They cut back to the panel and Boomer looked like he'd just been force-fed a handful of thumbtacks. It was bee-uty-full.
-
Not to mention how he says it, like he's spitting something vile and distasteful from his mouth. One would think if it was actually that disgusting for him, he wouldn't say it quite so often.
Central Scrutinizer
I bet he'd actually love to get his mouth on a little liberal, and isn't able to ... 
Not to mention how he says it, like he's spitting something vile and distasteful from his mouth. One would think if it was actually that disgusting for him, he wouldn't say it quite so often.
Central Scrutinizer
I bet he'd actually love to get his mouth on a little liberal, and isn't able to ...
OT I got the following tidbit from someone at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services regarding the Drug Benefit Card.
One of the statistics the agency is tracking is the number of people with the card over time. The expectation was that the number would increase as more people opted for the card. In reality, the number decreased. The reason of course is that more people who already have the card are dying then are signing up. In order to make the numbers look better, the decision was made to not remove the dead people from counts.
OT I got the following tidbit from someone at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services regarding the Drug Benefit Card.
One of the statistics the agency is tracking is the number of people with the card over time. The expectation was that the number would increase as more people opted for the card. In reality, the number decreased. The reason of course is that more people who already have the card are dying then are signing up. In order to make the numbers look better, the decision was made to not remove the dead people from counts.
The fat-headed shark-skin suit boys hate Moss because, like that wild hair of his, he is out of their perceived mainstream. Can't have big wild-lookin bucks running rampant can we???
The fat-headed shark-skin suit boys hate Moss because, like that wild hair of his, he is out of their perceived mainstream. Can't have big wild-lookin bucks running rampant can we???
JASE - In order to make the numbers look better, the decision was made to not remove the dead people from counts.
Are you fucking kidding me? Oy vey - this never ends.
JASE - In order to make the numbers look better, the decision was made to not remove the dead people from counts.
Are you fucking kidding me? Oy vey - this never ends.
Hello Guys and Dollys.
Over on LGF I've been talking about how I'd like to rupture Michael Moore and spray a crowd of peaceniks with my AK47. The Lizardoids at LGF love my manly talk, I know because they give me compliments!. Charles must like it too. I'm soooo glad that I'm spreadin' the Lizardoid Word all over the internets and letting everyone know how smart your average lizard is. I'm nearly famous!!!!
Hello Guys and Dollys.
Over on LGF I've been talking about how I'd like to rupture Michael Moore and spray a crowd of peaceniks with my AK47. The Lizardoids at LGF love my manly talk, I know because they give me compliments!. Charles must like it too. I'm soooo glad that I'm spreadin' the Lizardoid Word all over the internets and letting everyone know how smart your average lizard is. I'm nearly famous!!!!
Hoosier X - thanks, I'll check for your essay. Looking forward to it.
If it weren't for knowing all you good people are working on our little national "problem" as well, I think my head would explode on a daily basis. (cruelly healed each night in sleep, awake to new shit, making head explode again)
SD
Hoosier X - thanks, I'll check for your essay. Looking forward to it.
If it weren't for knowing all you good people are working on our little national "problem" as well, I think my head would explode on a daily basis. (cruelly healed each night in sleep, awake to new shit, making head explode again)
SD
Sarah - Don't explode; email SSA. Write to everybody you can think of. I do it all the time. It does help. If I didn't do that, I'd be like a pressure cooker with too much steam built up -
Sarah - Don't explode; email SSA. Write to everybody you can think of. I do it all the time. It does help. If I didn't do that, I'd be like a pressure cooker with too much steam built up -
"On Dean’s campaign, we paid Markos and Jerome Armstrong as consultants, largely in order to ensure that they said positive things about Dean. We paid them over twice as much as we paid two staffers of similar backgrounds, and they had several other clients.While they ended up also providing useful advice, the initial reason for our outreach was explicitly to buy their airtime. To be very clear, they never committed to supporting Dean for the payment -- but it was very clearly, internally, our goal."
versus
"For the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities ..."
Someone is lying. Apart from "atrios", I mean.
"On Dean’s campaign, we paid Markos and Jerome Armstrong as consultants, largely in order to ensure that they said positive things about Dean. We paid them over twice as much as we paid two staffers of similar backgrounds, and they had several other clients.While they ended up also providing useful advice, the initial reason for our outreach was explicitly to buy their airtime. To be very clear, they never committed to supporting Dean for the payment -- but it was very clearly, internally, our goal."
versus
"For the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities ..."
Someone is lying. Apart from "atrios", I mean.
hat - don't come over here and quote that collaborationist bitch Zephyr. She started this shit with her lie.
In fact, hat, don't come over here at all. You are the most chickenshit hit and run winger on the internets.
hat - don't come over here and quote that collaborationist bitch Zephyr. She started this shit with her lie.
In fact, hat, don't come over here at all. You are the most chickenshit hit and run winger on the internets.
Given that Sellout wasn't even with the Dean campaign at the time Jerome Armstrong was hired, asshat, it looks pretty clear who is lyin' by omission. (Hint: you.)
Given that Sellout wasn't even with the Dean campaign at the time Jerome Armstrong was hired, asshat, it looks pretty clear who is lyin' by omission. (Hint: you.)
They heave and grunt as the media whores try to pass more shit.
They heave and grunt as the media whores try to pass more shit.
So of all the tens of thousands of webmonkeys whom the Dean campaign could have hired to work on their internet operations they JUST HAPPENED to choose to hire the operator of the highest-traffic leftist weblog in the world?
Make us laugh, "atrios".
So of all the tens of thousands of webmonkeys whom the Dean campaign could have hired to work on their internet operations they JUST HAPPENED to choose to hire the operator of the highest-traffic leftist weblog in the world?
Make us laugh, "atrios".
I wonder how much "hat" gets paid and who signs the check?
He can't be that stupid for free.
I wonder how much "hat" gets paid and who signs the check?
He can't be that stupid for free.
And I guess the Dean folks must have been so pissed by Jerome taking down his blog after "buying (his) airtime" that they terminated the contract with him.
You mean they didn't?
Really, asshat, you're too easy.
And I guess the Dean folks must have been so pissed by Jerome taking down his blog after "buying (his) airtime" that they terminated the contract with him.
You mean they didn't?
Really, asshat, you're too easy.
Central Scrutinizer - I don't know - as lame as hat is, it's hard to imagine anyone actually paying for this shit.
hat is about as uninformed and dumb as it gets.
Central Scrutinizer - I don't know - as lame as hat is, it's hard to imagine anyone actually paying for this shit.
hat is about as uninformed and dumb as it gets.
Hardly surprising that a blog operator who had built one of the largest operations on the net would be paid more than someone else with otherwise "similar background" by a campaign that was seeking to revolutionize politics by netroots activism and fundraising.
The Dean people probably would have been better off hiring asshat, given his gargantuan success as a hit and run poster with zero credibility.
Hardly surprising that a blog operator who had built one of the largest operations on the net would be paid more than someone else with otherwise "similar background" by a campaign that was seeking to revolutionize politics by netroots activism and fundraising.
The Dean people probably would have been better off hiring asshat, given his gargantuan success as a hit and run poster with zero credibility.
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ACS State & Local Solutions, Inc. Washington DC $250,000
A.G. Spanos Stockton CA $250,000
AFLAC, Incorporated Columbus GA $100,000
AFLAC, Incorporated Columbus GA $150,000
A. J. Scribante Omaha NE $100,000
Alan B. Fabian Cockeysville MD $100,000
Al Hoffman, Jr. Fort Myers FL $100,000
Alagem Capital Group, LLC Beverly Hills CA $250,000
Alexander F. Treadwell Westport NY $100,000
Altria Corporate Services, Inc. New York NY $250,000
American Bankers Association Washington DC $25,000
American Chemistry Council Arlington VA $25,000
American Financial Cincinnati OH $250,000
American Health Care Association Washington DC $50,000
Ameriquest Capital Corporation Orange CA $250,000
Amgen, Inc. Thousand Oaks CA $100,000
Andrew C. Taylor St. Louis MO $100,000
Anheuser-Busch Cos., Inc. Washington DC $100,000
Argent Mortgage Company Orange CA $250,000
AT&T Washington DC $250,000
Bank of America Corporation Charlotte NC $250,000
Barbour, Griffith & Rogers, LLC Washington DC $25,000
Bensco, Inc. Metairie LA $100,000
Benson Football Metaire LA $100,000
Benson Mineral Group, Inc. Denver CO $100,000
Beverly Enterprises, Inc. Fort Smith AR $50,000
Beverly Enterprises, Inc. Fort Smith AR $20,000
Bill G. Hartley Tyler TX $25,000
Blank Rome, LLP Philadelphia PA $200,000
BlueCross BlueShield of Florida, Inc. Jacksonville FL $100,000
Bob Tuttle Beverly Hills CA $25,000
Boone Pickens Dallas TX $250,000
Bradford M. Freeman Los Angeles CA $100,000
Bristol-Myers Squibb Washington DC $250,000
Broadcast Music, Inc. Nashville TN $25,000
Burlington Norhtern & Sanata Fe Corp. Topeka KS $250,000
Burton J. McMurtry Portola Valley CA $50,000
California Farm Bureau Federation Sacramento CA $100,000
Carl H. Lindner Cincinnati OH $250,000
C. Edward McVaney Greenwood Village CO $100,000
Century Homebuilders, LLC Miami FL $100,000
Charles E. Cobb, Jr. Coral Gables FL $25,000
Charles D. Miller Pasadena CA $100,000
Cherie and Robin Arkley Eureka CA $100,000
CheveronTexaco Concord CA $250,000
Cinergy Corporation Cincinnati OH $250,000
Cisco Systems, Inc. San Jose CA $100,000
Clearwire Corporation Kirkland WA $100,000
Computer Associates International, Inc. Islandia NY $100,000
Corporate Capital, LLC New Orleans LA $250,000
Cove Partners, LLC Santa Monica CA $100,000
Cove Partners, LLC Santa Monica CA $25,000
Credit Union National Association Madison WI $50,000
CSC Federal Sector Headquarters Falls Church VA $25,000
David Girard-diCarlo Washington DC $50,000
Direct Supply, Inc. Milwaukee WI $25,000
Donald J. Carty Dallas TX $100,000
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Edison Electric I
So of all the tens of thousands of webmonkeys whom the Dean campaign could have hired to work on their internet operations they JUST HAPPENED to choose to hire the operator of the highest-traffic leftist weblog in the world?
So fucking what, you asshat?
You piece of shit. He should have hired a nobody?
You're pathetic.
So of all the tens of thousands of webmonkeys whom the Dean campaign could have hired to work on their internet operations they JUST HAPPENED to choose to hire the operator of the highest-traffic leftist weblog in the world?
So fucking what, you asshat?
You piece of shit. He should have hired a nobody?
You're pathetic.
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Frank Baxter Los Angeles CA $100,000
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FedEx Corporation Memphis TN $250,000
First Data Corporation Greenwood Village CO $250,000
Ford Motor Company Dearborn MI $250,000
Frank Baxter Los Angeles CA $100,000
Frederick R. Meyer Dallas TX $25,000
George Richmond Earth City MO $50,000
GMAC Horsham PA $100,000
Golden Eagle Industries, Inc. Charlotte NC $250,000
H. Edward Baher Bluffton SC $250,000
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Hratch Kaprielian New York NY $25,000
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Hunt Consolidated, Inc. Dallas TX $250,000
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International Paper Memphis TN $100,000
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Intervest Construction, Inc. Daytona Beach FL $100,000
J. Ronald Terwilliger Key Largo FL $100,000
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"For the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities ..."
Someone is lying. Apart from "atrios", I mean.
hat - 5:14 pm
Contrast this with that paragon of Republican virtue George Will:
George Will was among a number of prominent individuals to receive $25,000 per day of conversation on a board of advisers for Hollinger International, a newspaper firm controlled by magnate Conrad Black. Although Will has often scorned the convenient forgetfulness of others, the Times reported that "Mr. Will could not recall how many meetings he attended." But an aide confirmed the annual $25,000 fee.
Several paragraphs of the column featured quotations from a speech by Black. The laudatory treatment began high in the column as Will referred to some criticisms of Bush policies and then wrote: "Into this welter of foolishness has waded Conrad Black."
But Will claimed in a December interview that nothing was amiss. "Asked in the interview if he should have told his readers of the payments he had received from Hollinger," a New York Times article reported on Dec. 22, "Mr. Will said he saw no reason to do so."
The Times quoted Will as saying: "My business is my business. Got it?"
"For the record, I will not discuss my role within the Dean campaign, other than to say it's technical, not message or strategy. I will also not discuss any of my other clients, including their identities ..."
Someone is lying. Apart from "atrios", I mean.
hat - 5:14 pm
Contrast this with that paragon of Republican virtue George Will:
George Will was among a number of prominent individuals to receive $25,000 per day of conversation on a board of advisers for Hollinger International, a newspaper firm controlled by magnate Conrad Black. Although Will has often scorned the convenient forgetfulness of others, the Times reported that "Mr. Will could not recall how many meetings he attended." But an aide confirmed the annual $25,000 fee.
Several paragraphs of the column featured quotations from a speech by Black. The laudatory treatment began high in the column as Will referred to some criticisms of Bush policies and then wrote: "Into this welter of foolishness has waded Conrad Black."
But Will claimed in a December interview that nothing was amiss. "Asked in the interview if he should have told his readers of the payments he had received from Hollinger," a New York Times article reported on Dec. 22, "Mr. Will said he saw no reason to do so."
The Times quoted Will as saying: "My business is my business. Got it?"
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TRT Holdings Inc. Irving TX $100,000
Tyson Springdale AR $100,000
Union Pacific Corporation Washington DC $100,000
United Parcel Service Roswell GA $250,000
United Technologies Hartford CT $250,000
UST Inc. Greenwich CT $250,000
Valhi, Inc. Dallas TX $100,000
Vernon G. Buchanan Sarasota FL $100,000
Wachovia Corporation Jacksonville FL $250,000
Washington Group International
New Century Mortgage Corporation Irvine CA $100,000
New Energy Corp. South Bend IN $250,000
Nicholas Taubman Roanoke VA $50,000
Northrop Grumman Los Angeles CA $100,000
Nuclear Energy Institute Washington DC $100,000
Occidental Petroleum Corporation Los Angeles CA $250,000
Office of the Commissioner of Baseball New York NY $100,000
Oracle Corporation Rocklin CA $100,000
Peabody Holding Company, Inc. St. Louis MO $100,000
Pepsi-Cola Company Purchase NY $100,000
Perennial Strategy Group, LLC Washington DC $25,000
Pfizer, Inc. New York NY $250,000
Phil Wendel Charlottesville VA $100,000
Pilot Corporation Knoxville TN $50,000
Piper Rudnick Washington DC $25,000
PricewaterhouseCoopers Tampa FL $25,000
Qualcomm Incorporated San Diego CA $100,000
Retzer Resources, Inc. Greenville MS $25,000
Richard Warren Lake Forest CA $100,000
Rick J. Caruso Los Angeles CA $100,000
Robert Day Los Angeles CA $100,000
Robert C. Rhein Interests, Inc. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Robert Frank Pence McLean VA $100,000
Robert W. Johnson, IV New York NY $100,000
Rooney Holdings, Inc. Tulsa OK $250,000
R. T. Farmer Cincinnati OH $100,000
S. Davis Phillips High Point NC $250,000
Sallie Mae, Inc. Reston VA $250,000
Sam & Marilyn Fox St. Louis MO $100,000
SBC Communications, Inc. Washington DC $100,000
ServiceMaster Memphis TN $25,000
Sheldon G. Adelson Las Vegas NV $250,000
Southern Company Atlanta GA $250,000
Stanley P. Whitcomb, Jr. Bonita Springs FL $25,000
Stephen A. Schwarzman New York NY $100,000
Stephens Group, Inc. Little Rock AR $250,000
Strongbow Technologies, Corp. Burtonsville MD $250,000
Susan and Michael Dell Austin TX $250,000
TC Management Partners IV, LLC Washington DC $100,000
Terry & Jane Semel Beverly Hills CA $125,000
The Boeing Company Arlington VA $100,000
The Coca Cola Company Washington DC $100,000
The Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. New York NY $100,000
The Home Depot Washington DC $250,000
The Limited Service Corporation Columbus OH $100,000
The Ritz-Carlton Hotel Company, LLC Chevy Chase MD $250,000
The Shaw Group, Inc. Baton Rouge LA $100,000
The Timken Company Canton OH $250,000
The Washington Post Washington DC $100,000
Thien H. Nguyen Redington Beach FL $100,000
Thomas F. Petway, III Jacksonville FL $100,000
Thomas F. Stephenson Atherton CA $225,000
Time Warner New York NY $250,000
Titus Electrical Contracting, Inc. Austin TX $100,000
Tom Benson Metairie LA $50,000
Town and Country Credit Irvine CA $250,000
Toyota Motor North America, Inc. New York NY $25,000
TRT Holdings Inc. Irving TX $100,000
Tyson Springdale AR $100,000
Union Pacific Corporation Washington DC $100,000
United Parcel Service Roswell GA $250,000
United Technologies Hartford CT $250,000
UST Inc. Greenwich CT $250,000
Valhi, Inc. Dallas TX $100,000
Vernon G. Buchanan Sarasota FL $100,000
Wachovia Corporation Jacksonville FL $250,000
Washington Group International
mr. bill - Where is that list from? I'd like to keep track of the donors.
mr. bill - Where is that list from? I'd like to keep track of the donors.
Washington Group International Boise ID $25,000
Washington Television Center Washington DC $250,000
Waste Management Service Center Houston TX $100,000
Well Care Health Plans, Inc. Tampa FL $100,000
William Earl Riggs Pleasantton CA $100,000
William O. DeWitt, Jr. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Williams & Jensen, PC Washington DC $50,000
* UPDATED AS OF FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2004
Source: http://www.inaugural05.com/donors/
Washington Group International Boise ID $25,000
Washington Television Center Washington DC $250,000
Waste Management Service Center Houston TX $100,000
Well Care Health Plans, Inc. Tampa FL $100,000
William Earl Riggs Pleasantton CA $100,000
William O. DeWitt, Jr. Cincinnati OH $100,000
Williams & Jensen, PC Washington DC $50,000
* UPDATED AS OF FRIDAY, JANUARY 14, 2004
Source: http://www.inaugural05.com/donors/
Make us laugh
You make us laugh every time you post your stupid, laughable nonsense.
Makes me want to take a gun, shoot at your feet, and watch you dance.
Dance, hat, dance!
Make us laugh
You make us laugh every time you post your stupid, laughable nonsense.
Makes me want to take a gun, shoot at your feet, and watch you dance.
Dance, hat, dance!
Did ya get it real tena? Thanks!
Did ya get it real tena? Thanks!
The Times quoted Will as saying: "My business is my business. Got it?"
Now that's funny.
The Times quoted Will as saying: "My business is my business. Got it?"
Now that's funny.
Refer to "hat" in quotes.
Refer to "hat" in quotes.
Source: http://www.inaugural05.com/donors/
heehee.
Wonder what the lesser employees of some of these companies will say about this largesse demonstrated by their rethug bosses?
And to think that one definition of largesse is *liberal giving*.
Source: http://www.inaugural05.com/donors/
heehee.
Wonder what the lesser employees of some of these companies will say about this largesse demonstrated by their rethug bosses?
And to think that one definition of largesse is *liberal giving*.
Waste Management Service Center Houston TX $100,000
You can't make this stuff up.
Waste Management Service Center Houston TX $100,000
You can't make this stuff up.
Well, to give "hat and run" his due, he didn't use the dreaded "Duncan" in his post (almost as scary as "moonbat").
It sure helps to come here and reaffirm that not all americans are self-interested bastards. Plus, you occasionally run across something like this article. For some reason, when I read "one also felt compelled to go out to the lake and scream and dance naked and break something from the past that needed to be broken" Hecate came to mind.
BTW, I found it when looking for the lyrics to "underwear goes inside the pants." Must be heard to be appreciated.
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Well, to give "hat and run" his due, he didn't use the dreaded "Duncan" in his post (almost as scary as "moonbat").
It sure helps to come here and reaffirm that not all americans are self-interested bastards. Plus, you occasionally run across something like this article. For some reason, when I read "one also felt compelled to go out to the lake and scream and dance naked and break something from the past that needed to be broken" Hecate came to mind.
BTW, I found it when looking for the lyrics to "underwear goes inside the pants." Must be heard to be appreciated.
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mr bill - I got it, thanks a lot.
mr bill - I got it, thanks a lot.
Breaking, Graner gets 10 years, busted to PVT, dishonorable discharge, loss of pay.
I have a long long list of who's next.
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Breaking, Graner gets 10 years, busted to PVT, dishonorable discharge, loss of pay.
I have a long long list of who's next.
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Don't buy Microsoft, buy Apple. Mickey gave Bush party money, the tool.
Don't buy Microsoft, buy Apple. Mickey gave Bush party money, the tool.
From Mr. Bills link:
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $100,000
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $150,000
I wonder why Mr. Goldman decided to donate another 150k on top of the first 100k?
Interesting.
From Mr. Bills link:
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $100,000
Marc S. Goldman Hoboken NJ $150,000
I wonder why Mr. Goldman decided to donate another 150k on top of the first 100k?
Interesting.
Thanks, Fielding. That was fantastic.
Thanks, Fielding. That was fantastic.
Fielding - "underwear goes inside the pants" calls to mind my nephew's fetish for what he called "big boy pants" when toilet training.
When his room was about to be redecorated, I asked him what he would like me to paint on his walls - giving him several choices of illustrations from children's books - Curious George, the Wild Things, Dr. Suess, etc.
His request? "Big boy pants."
Needless to say, we ditched the idea of creating a mural on the wall for him. Somehow I don't think paintings of underwear would have survived the test of time. (though I'm still disappointed I didn't get to do a Wild Things bedroom for him, it would have been so cool!)
Fielding - "underwear goes inside the pants" calls to mind my nephew's fetish for what he called "big boy pants" when toilet training.
When his room was about to be redecorated, I asked him what he would like me to paint on his walls - giving him several choices of illustrations from children's books - Curious George, the Wild Things, Dr. Suess, etc.
His request? "Big boy pants."
Needless to say, we ditched the idea of creating a mural on the wall for him. Somehow I don't think paintings of underwear would have survived the test of time. (though I'm still disappointed I didn't get to do a Wild Things bedroom for him, it would have been so cool!)
I wonder why Mr. Goldman decided to donate another 150k on top of the first 100k?
They recently upped the limits to $250,000 when it looked like they weren't going to make their target. Still may not, but stiffing the district will let them buy a few extra swizzle sticks.
I wonder why Mr. Goldman decided to donate another 150k on top of the first 100k?
They recently upped the limits to $250,000 when it looked like they weren't going to make their target. Still may not, but stiffing the district will let them buy a few extra swizzle sticks.
Office of the Commissioner of Baseball
That bastard bud selig -- he raped the Milwaukee Brewers by borrowing out the team equity and then telling the state of Wisconsin to build him a ballpark or else. Tommy Thompson played a key roll in construction of Miller Park. Then, he practically ran the franchise in the ground, finally cutting its payroll to about the lowest in MLB (while all along the fans were promised that the "new revenue" streams would "guarantee" a competitive team).
He put his daugher in charge of the team -- she had no real, meaningful baseball experience (please understand -- this is not a sexist remark, I am sure there were more qualified women!) The team was the laughing stock of baseball and attendance at the park fell in HUGE numbers after the 1st year in the new park.
Wendy was so unpopular and demonstrated no compentence at running the team (her husband was also given an important position) The seligs brought in a local, popular, african american to be in charge of the operation -- telling him they were committed to a quality team with their "new" revenue streams. Then they cut the payroll and fired him when he questioned the move. At least they sold the team now -- but it will take years to bring many fans back.
Now MLB is a major coronation supporter. Sounds like a typical republican "values" to me.
Office of the Commissioner of Baseball
That bastard bud selig -- he raped the Milwaukee Brewers by borrowing out the team equity and then telling the state of Wisconsin to build him a ballpark or else. Tommy Thompson played a key roll in construction of Miller Park. Then, he practically ran the franchise in the ground, finally cutting its payroll to about the lowest in MLB (while all along the fans were promised that the "new revenue" streams would "guarantee" a competitive team).
He put his daugher in charge of the team -- she had no real, meaningful baseball experience (please understand -- this is not a sexist remark, I am sure there were more qualified women!) The team was the laughing stock of baseball and attendance at the park fell in HUGE numbers after the 1st year in the new park.
Wendy was so unpopular and demonstrated no compentence at running the team (her husband was also given an important position) The seligs brought in a local, popular, african american to be in charge of the operation -- telling him they were committed to a quality team with their "new" revenue streams. Then they cut the payroll and fired him when he questioned the move. At least they sold the team now -- but it will take years to bring many fans back.
Now MLB is a major coronation supporter. Sounds like a typical republican "values" to me.
Over at Smirking Chimp, there's a long article called "The Madness of GWB" by Paul Levy, identified as a Jungian psychologist and Tibetan Buddhist. He's assigned himself the task of naming the illness affecting W and about half the nation. The name is "malignant egophrenia," which he takes some pains to explain in medium-thick Jungian jargon. A recurring theme of the article is that ME is widespread, with W just an important focal point. The article includes a section comparing epidemics of ME under W to Hitler, which he does with a straight face and no apology. Here's a sample:
"At the root of Bush’s process is an unwillingness and seeming inability to experience his own sense of sin, guilt and shame, as if he is afraid of being exposed, of being found out. He’s clearly unable to feel any remorse and experience his own weakness and vulnerability, his own sense of failure. This threatens his narcissism too much. One aspect of Bush’s pathology is ‘malignant narcissism,’ as he reacts sadistically to others who mirror back his guilt and don’t support and enable his narcissism."
Over at Smirking Chimp, there's a long article called "The Madness of GWB" by Paul Levy, identified as a Jungian psychologist and Tibetan Buddhist. He's assigned himself the task of naming the illness affecting W and about half the nation. The name is "malignant egophrenia," which he takes some pains to explain in medium-thick Jungian jargon. A recurring theme of the article is that ME is widespread, with W just an important focal point. The article includes a section comparing epidemics of ME under W to Hitler, which he does with a straight face and no apology. Here's a sample:
"At the root of Bush’s process is an unwillingness and seeming inability to experience his own sense of sin, guilt and shame, as if he is afraid of being exposed, of being found out. He’s clearly unable to feel any remorse and experience his own weakness and vulnerability, his own sense of failure. This threatens his narcissism too much. One aspect of Bush’s pathology is ‘malignant narcissism,’ as he reacts sadistically to others who mirror back his guilt and don’t support and enable his narcissism."
Doing the hard work so you don't
have to:
Just took a look at Bagel Boy's
latest essay.
In it, he comes out against creationism
but allows as how he doesn't particularly
like the theory of evolution, either.
Why? He's too cool.
Or something.
I'm not making this up.
Doing the hard work so you don't
have to:
Just took a look at Bagel Boy's
latest essay.
In it, he comes out against creationism
but allows as how he doesn't particularly
like the theory of evolution, either.
Why? He's too cool.
Or something.
I'm not making this up.
I'm not making this up.
Sadly, we know this.
I'm not making this up.
Sadly, we know this.
mt. bill,
great list. i'm glad i got the hell out of fleet enema bank after they were consumed by bank of america.
mt. bill,
great list. i'm glad i got the hell out of fleet enema bank after they were consumed by bank of america.
Though I have no idea who the "Bagel Boy" is, one almost has to admire the chutzpah required to diss both the idea of God and the reasonable theories of the best scientific minds in world history in one breath, while providing no alternate explanation about where everything came from, whether credible or not.
Underwear gnomes, perhaps?
Though I have no idea who the "Bagel Boy" is, one almost has to admire the chutzpah required to diss both the idea of God and the reasonable theories of the best scientific minds in world history in one breath, while providing no alternate explanation about where everything came from, whether credible or not.
Underwear gnomes, perhaps?
Fielding -As for abortion, I've seen enough from the inside to know that while the grass roots folk are impassioned, the real emotion is not for the fetus - it's against the feminist movement, which is really women taking power back after 5,000 miserable, subjugated years of patriarchal domination.
Thanks for that link - that was great. I loved the paragraph about abortion - that was perfect.
Fielding -As for abortion, I've seen enough from the inside to know that while the grass roots folk are impassioned, the real emotion is not for the fetus - it's against the feminist movement, which is really women taking power back after 5,000 miserable, subjugated years of patriarchal domination.
Thanks for that link - that was great. I loved the paragraph about abortion - that was perfect.
Boomer is a stupid cunt. I'm as blues as you can get, and I would have kicked Randy Moss out of football for that shit. Act like you've been in the end zone before assholes.
Boomer is a stupid cunt. I'm as blues as you can get, and I would have kicked Randy Moss out of football for that shit. Act like you've been in the end zone before assholes.
They recently upped the limits to $250,000 when it looked like they weren't going to make their target. Still may not, but stiffing the district will let them buy a few extra swizzle sticks.
must be nice to be able to just cut another check for a buck fifty.
Come on, patriots! Time's a-wastin'! Pull out those checkbooks and give to the Coronation of the Sun King!
They recently upped the limits to $250,000 when it looked like they weren't going to make their target. Still may not, but stiffing the district will let them buy a few extra swizzle sticks.
must be nice to be able to just cut another check for a buck fifty.
Come on, patriots! Time's a-wastin'! Pull out those checkbooks and give to the Coronation of the Sun King!
Though I have no idea who the "Bagel Boy" is
Jennifer -- count your blessings.
Though I have no idea who the "Bagel Boy" is
Jennifer -- count your blessings.
From the land of Happy Coincidences:
Anyone else noticed that the cost of this 1/20 vugarity is approximately the same as that of the entire Starr witch-hunt/fishing trip?
From the land of Happy Coincidences:
Anyone else noticed that the cost of this 1/20 vugarity is approximately the same as that of the entire Starr witch-hunt/fishing trip?
Must be heard to be appreciated.
Agreed, Fielding.
Video of "Underwear goes inside the pants."
Must be heard to be appreciated.
Agreed, Fielding.
Video of "Underwear goes inside the pants."
steve - you know, it isn't the dumbass things in his comments that I despise about the boy, it's the tag line in caps. You just want to grab him by the throat and ask him why the hell he wants to be an obnoxious dork so badly.
steve - you know, it isn't the dumbass things in his comments that I despise about the boy, it's the tag line in caps. You just want to grab him by the throat and ask him why the hell he wants to be an obnoxious dork so badly.
I thought it appropriate to post the chimperor's supporters list because reasonable people can question if their dollars are the only "vote" that counts. Of course, both coke and pepsi are on that list -- is that 95% of the national soft-drink market or what. What ever happened to free markets? This is crony capitalism, IMHO, indistinguishable from socialism.
I thought it appropriate to post the chimperor's supporters list because reasonable people can question if their dollars are the only "vote" that counts. Of course, both coke and pepsi are on that list -- is that 95% of the national soft-drink market or what. What ever happened to free markets? This is crony capitalism, IMHO, indistinguishable from socialism.
You just want to grab him by the throat and ask him why the hell he wants to be an obnoxious dork so badly.
Well, he was getting warm-fuzzies over hear the other night, so I am not surprised that he decided that his intellectual power exceeds that of god and the best minds of the past century.
You just want to grab him by the throat and ask him why the hell he wants to be an obnoxious dork so badly.
Well, he was getting warm-fuzzies over hear the other night, so I am not surprised that he decided that his intellectual power exceeds that of god and the best minds of the past century.
watertiger sez:
Come on, patriots! Time's a-wastin'! Pull out those checkbooks and give to the Coronation of the Sun King!
I was listening to a local radio talkshow yesterday (in Pittsburgh we actually have a liberal talkshow!) and the subject was the coronation. Some mook calls in, regular Joe Workingclass, who said he sent $500 to the coronation fund. Because it's what America is all about. Then he claimed to be a Kerry voter.
What frightens me is he might've been telling the truth.
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watertiger sez:
Come on, patriots! Time's a-wastin'! Pull out those checkbooks and give to the Coronation of the Sun King!
I was listening to a local radio talkshow yesterday (in Pittsburgh we actually have a liberal talkshow!) and the subject was the coronation. Some mook calls in, regular Joe Workingclass, who said he sent $500 to the coronation fund. Because it's what America is all about. Then he claimed to be a Kerry voter.
What frightens me is he might've been telling the truth.
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Of course, both coke and pepsi are on that list -- is that 95% of the national soft-drink market or what.
Yes it is, but we're long overdue for an anti-cola movement in this country.
Stop drinking that sugary goop, people! There are so many other fine carbonated beverages out there.
You can enjoy soda pop without drinking Coke or Pepsi.
Of course, both coke and pepsi are on that list -- is that 95% of the national soft-drink market or what.
Yes it is, but we're long overdue for an anti-cola movement in this country.
Stop drinking that sugary goop, people! There are so many other fine carbonated beverages out there.
You can enjoy soda pop without drinking Coke or Pepsi.
Actually I think after just reading Underwear Goes Inside the Pants it's pretty awesome.
Dial-up connections suck.
Actually I think after just reading Underwear Goes Inside the Pants it's pretty awesome.
Dial-up connections suck.
Not following the discussion, so apologies for breaking the flow:
But here's the practical side of this (and if this hasn't been mentioned by now, I'll be astonished):
It's all about Dean and the Democrats. Nothing else (although it might pretend to be).
All the "correcting" and "critiquing" and "fact-checking" and even blogging in the world won't divert this attempt to, once again, direct the Democrats to do as the RNC wishes.
Would Dean do that much for the Dems? Who cares? So long as the GOP can still pull the DNC's strings, what does it matter?
It is, after all, all about power.
Not following the discussion, so apologies for breaking the flow:
But here's the practical side of this (and if this hasn't been mentioned by now, I'll be astonished):
It's all about Dean and the Democrats. Nothing else (although it might pretend to be).
All the "correcting" and "critiquing" and "fact-checking" and even blogging in the world won't divert this attempt to, once again, direct the Democrats to do as the RNC wishes.
Would Dean do that much for the Dems? Who cares? So long as the GOP can still pull the DNC's strings, what does it matter?
It is, after all, all about power.
Well, he was getting warm-fuzzies over hear the other night,
I have no idea what that means - sorry. Were people being nice to doughbrains or are you being sarcastic?
Well, he was getting warm-fuzzies over hear the other night,
I have no idea what that means - sorry. Were people being nice to doughbrains or are you being sarcastic?
This is crony capitalism, IMHO, indistinguishable from socialism.
Under socialism, "we" own it.
Under capitalism, "they" own it.
Bush & DeLay and company prefer to hang out with "they."
Any questions?
This is crony capitalism, IMHO, indistinguishable from socialism.
Under socialism, "we" own it.
Under capitalism, "they" own it.
Bush & DeLay and company prefer to hang out with "they."
Any questions?
Fielding, thanks from me, as well. My granddaughter just turned 10 on the 13th. We were going to celebrate her bday today, but, alas, Portland has freezing rain. Has not gotten above 29 today in my front yard.
I've been speaking w/my dtr-in-law, a wonderful person I adore, about speaking w/my g-daughter re: what's going to happen to her in the next too-few yrs. Hair on her body in odd places, bleeding, breasts, so many questions. My DIL said, go for it, please. Sometimes, grannies can do what parents can't.
However, Fielding, the links you sent encouraged me. Hillary, for whatever any of us may think of her, got that title right. It does "take a village" to raise kids. So, I'll try to do my part as very best I can.
And, Tena - thanks, yes, I do write, and will continue to. Hell, might as well - and, actually, we had better. No other way we will be counted. And I intend to be counted!!
SD
Fielding, thanks from me, as well. My granddaughter just turned 10 on the 13th. We were going to celebrate her bday today, but, alas, Portland has freezing rain. Has not gotten above 29 today in my front yard.
I've been speaking w/my dtr-in-law, a wonderful person I adore, about speaking w/my g-daughter re: what's going to happen to her in the next too-few yrs. Hair on her body in odd places, bleeding, breasts, so many questions. My DIL said, go for it, please. Sometimes, grannies can do what parents can't.
However, Fielding, the links you sent encouraged me. Hillary, for whatever any of us may think of her, got that title right. It does "take a village" to raise kids. So, I'll try to do my part as very best I can.
And, Tena - thanks, yes, I do write, and will continue to. Hell, might as well - and, actually, we had better. No other way we will be counted. And I intend to be counted!!
SD
Yes it is, but we're long overdue for an anti-cola movement in this country.
I have seen article in britain's online newpapers about a crisis in diabetes over there. It is my understanding that the numbers are at least as bad over here -- nary a work in the SCLM.
Perhaps I am wrong on this one, but I understand that the biggest problem might be corn sweetners (syrup) - created via the "miracles" of chemistry.
Yes, sugary water is probably not good for you -- but corn sweetner is probably worse. As I recall, it has something to do with it breaking down directly in the liver -- but I would have to google this as its been a while. All I know is I avoid it altother.
Yes it is, but we're long overdue for an anti-cola movement in this country.
I have seen article in britain's online newpapers about a crisis in diabetes over there. It is my understanding that the numbers are at least as bad over here -- nary a work in the SCLM.
Perhaps I am wrong on this one, but I understand that the biggest problem might be corn sweetners (syrup) - created via the "miracles" of chemistry.
Yes, sugary water is probably not good for you -- but corn sweetner is probably worse. As I recall, it has something to do with it breaking down directly in the liver -- but I would have to google this as its been a while. All I know is I avoid it altother.
Stop drinking that sugary goop, people! There are so many other fine carbonated beverages out there.
Ginger beer! Let's hear it for ginger beer!
I can summon the most amazing belches drinking that.
Did I just say that out loud?
Stop drinking that sugary goop, people! There are so many other fine carbonated beverages out there.
Ginger beer! Let's hear it for ginger beer!
I can summon the most amazing belches drinking that.
Did I just say that out loud?
Robert - You're right and this is likely going to end up being a huge test for the Democrats. If the DNC is stupid enough to go against what the activists in the party are telling them they want them to do, then they are asking to be sidelined completely as irrelevant.
I'd follow Dean into a new party in a minute.
And I wasn't a Dean person in the primaries, frankly. I didn't belong to anyone until Kerry stepped up and I freely admit that I fell for Kerry. I still think well of him, though I question some of what he's done since the 2d.
Robert - You're right and this is likely going to end up being a huge test for the Democrats. If the DNC is stupid enough to go against what the activists in the party are telling them they want them to do, then they are asking to be sidelined completely as irrelevant.
I'd follow Dean into a new party in a minute.
And I wasn't a Dean person in the primaries, frankly. I didn't belong to anyone until Kerry stepped up and I freely admit that I fell for Kerry. I still think well of him, though I question some of what he's done since the 2d.
RMJ sez:
Would Dean do that much for the Dems? Who cares? So long as the GOP can still pull the DNC's strings, what does it matter?
It is, after all, all about power.
Bingo!
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RMJ sez:
Would Dean do that much for the Dems? Who cares? So long as the GOP can still pull the DNC's strings, what does it matter?
It is, after all, all about power.
Bingo!
.
I will admit a very yuppie fondness for Blue Sky Soda out of Santa Fe. The grapefruit is awesome. The gingerale is perfect. The orange is killer.
It's good damn stuff.
I will admit a very yuppie fondness for Blue Sky Soda out of Santa Fe. The grapefruit is awesome. The gingerale is perfect. The orange is killer.
It's good damn stuff.
OT--sorry if you've already seen it, but
Holy Milton Friedman's Social Security check! It's yet another victory for the 2+2=5 Free Market!
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Birds of a Feather
It's a marriage made in right-wing media heaven: Fox News Channel will become the sole provider of news for many radio stations owned by Clear Channel, the nation's largest radio chain. Initially, Fox will provide news to about 100 of Clear Channel's 1,200 stations, but Fox executives say that number will increase to about 500 stations (New York Times, 12/9/04). According to Billboard Radio Monitor (12/5/04), ABC, Clear Channel's previous partner, "has faced difficulties in pro-Republican parts of the country where news/talk affiliates have delivered right-wing offerings such as Rush Limbaugh against ABC news content considered by some listeners in these regions to carry liberal bias."
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from FAIR's monthly magazine Extra!
OT--sorry if you've already seen it, but
Holy Milton Friedman's Social Security check! It's yet another victory for the 2+2=5 Free Market!
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Birds of a Feather
It's a marriage made in right-wing media heaven: Fox News Channel will become the sole provider of news for many radio stations owned by Clear Channel, the nation's largest radio chain. Initially, Fox will provide news to about 100 of Clear Channel's 1,200 stations, but Fox executives say that number will increase to about 500 stations (New York Times, 12/9/04). According to Billboard Radio Monitor (12/5/04), ABC, Clear Channel's previous partner, "has faced difficulties in pro-Republican parts of the country where news/talk affiliates have delivered right-wing offerings such as Rush Limbaugh against ABC news content considered by some listeners in these regions to carry liberal bias."
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from FAIR's monthly magazine Extra!
Any questions?
Robert M. Jeffers
Any questions?
Robert M. Jeffers
That video won't play for me--all I get is an ad. Do you have to register with their scam site or something?
That video won't play for me--all I get is an ad. Do you have to register with their scam site or something?
DAMN -- haloscan cut off!!!
Any questions?
Robert M. Jeffers
Thanks, humbly -- I know the textbook definitions and the relationship to the means of production. I was trying to refer to it from a functional point of view. Either way, the means of production are addicted to the "public teat."
Last night, john had a good way to "frame" this. To paraphrase what I think he said (and I am sorry, john, if I get this wrong): Under socialism, everyone gets reasonably good health care. Under crony capitalism, only the lucky and well-connected.
DAMN -- haloscan cut off!!!
Any questions?
Robert M. Jeffers
Thanks, humbly -- I know the textbook definitions and the relationship to the means of production. I was trying to refer to it from a functional point of view. Either way, the means of production are addicted to the "public teat."
Last night, john had a good way to "frame" this. To paraphrase what I think he said (and I am sorry, john, if I get this wrong): Under socialism, everyone gets reasonably good health care. Under crony capitalism, only the lucky and well-connected.
Draco,
Watch the ad, the video comes on right after it.
Draco,
Watch the ad, the video comes on right after it.
spork - one of the radio bloviators here was spouting off about a few articles somewhere where the authors were criticizing the expenditure on the inauguration especially with the tsunami, and how it was all private money and rather late to cancel the big celebrations when the tsunami hit, and wasn't this just outrageous. Then the parade of outraged callers, who also tossed in about how Democrats don't work, all liberals are liars, yadda yadda. Finally, the host says something about how he hasn't gotten any liberal callers to come in on the side of these folks who wrote the offending articles, so of course I had to call, so I could be the token liberal.
So I said I'm a liberal and of course private individuals should have a right to spend their money however they want, and it is of course foolish to expect everything to be cancelled because the tsunami happened, most of the money is already spent, etc. But that I couldn't figure out why the Bush administration itself couldn't have seen the PR value if they had asked all these donors to instead donate money so our troops could have armor, so they would at least look really compassionate and like they had their priorities straight, but that of course it was their right to hold big victory celebrations rather than helping out the troops since it is, after all, being underwritten by private funds. Then I said, in the future, if you notice that no liberals are calling in to defend the unbelievably petty things you ascribe to them, it's probably a pretty good indication that you're throwing around a straw man and there really isn't any issue there, other than trying to get people whipped up against their neighbors over false assumptions.
Of course, that was the end of the call, his commentary after that was he really didn't "get" my point about the phony issue angle. I'm going to keep calling this guy and setting him straight.
spork - one of the radio bloviators here was spouting off about a few articles somewhere where the authors were criticizing the expenditure on the inauguration especially with the tsunami, and how it was all private money and rather late to cancel the big celebrations when the tsunami hit, and wasn't this just outrageous. Then the parade of outraged callers, who also tossed in about how Democrats don't work, all liberals are liars, yadda yadda. Finally, the host says something about how he hasn't gotten any liberal callers to come in on the side of these folks who wrote the offending articles, so of course I had to call, so I could be the token liberal.
So I said I'm a liberal and of course private individuals should have a right to spend their money however they want, and it is of course foolish to expect everything to be cancelled because the tsunami happened, most of the money is already spent, etc. But that I couldn't figure out why the Bush administration itself couldn't have seen the PR value if they had asked all these donors to instead donate money so our troops could have armor, so they would at least look really compassionate and like they had their priorities straight, but that of course it was their right to hold big victory celebrations rather than helping out the troops since it is, after all, being underwritten by private funds. Then I said, in the future, if you notice that no liberals are calling in to defend the unbelievably petty things you ascribe to them, it's probably a pretty good indication that you're throwing around a straw man and there really isn't any issue there, other than trying to get people whipped up against their neighbors over false assumptions.
Of course, that was the end of the call, his commentary after that was he really didn't "get" my point about the phony issue angle. I'm going to keep calling this guy and setting him straight.
YOU SEE PEOPLE? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT.
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YOU SEE PEOPLE? THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT.
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QC on graner, did you expect anything less. now he can get his picture in the funk & waganlls under scapgoat.
QC on graner, did you expect anything less. now he can get his picture in the funk & waganlls under scapgoat.
Mr. Bill -
Thanks for posting that list, I'd rather not give the coronation website any hits.
Going throught the list I was automatically thinking of the various payoffs that each of these contributors would expect in return. Lots and lots of finance/banking types on that list . . . a little SS rape anyone?
It also fun to speculate what all those individuals are angling for. Jeff Marcus (in for a cool $100 large) has already served a stint as an ambassador, wonder what's next?
Now I have no illusions that this list would looked a lot different under a Kerry inaugeration, but the Bush junta has been a seething meat-market for quid-pro-quo and this list sure gives a bit of insight into what's to come.
Mr. Bill -
Thanks for posting that list, I'd rather not give the coronation website any hits.
Going throught the list I was automatically thinking of the various payoffs that each of these contributors would expect in return. Lots and lots of finance/banking types on that list . . . a little SS rape anyone?
It also fun to speculate what all those individuals are angling for. Jeff Marcus (in for a cool $100 large) has already served a stint as an ambassador, wonder what's next?
Now I have no illusions that this list would looked a lot different under a Kerry inaugeration, but the Bush junta has been a seething meat-market for quid-pro-quo and this list sure gives a bit of insight into what's to come.
It is fun googling these individual doners, who most I have not heard of. They probably like it that way. You can really see what Bush's base aspires to.
It is fun googling these individual doners, who most I have not heard of. They probably like it that way. You can really see what Bush's base aspires to.
What frightens me is he might've been telling the truth.
Sporky. Commmmmmmmme on.
Anyone who voted for Kerry ain't sending a dime to the Chimpster.
What frightens me is he might've been telling the truth.
Sporky. Commmmmmmmme on.
Anyone who voted for Kerry ain't sending a dime to the Chimpster.
Stoner Willie Nelson getting gas stations to offer biodiesel, which can never (barring astonishing stupidity) run out or tie us to supporting evil dictators.
I live in a big ag state -- the kind that would want this. It is my understanding that it is a net energy loss when all the production inputs are considered. I believe they want to produce fuel from corn -- it takes an incredible amount of resources (and energy) to grow this crop year-after-year and the chemicals used are now in the groundwater.
Stoner Willie Nelson getting gas stations to offer biodiesel, which can never (barring astonishing stupidity) run out or tie us to supporting evil dictators.
I live in a big ag state -- the kind that would want this. It is my understanding that it is a net energy loss when all the production inputs are considered. I believe they want to produce fuel from corn -- it takes an incredible amount of resources (and energy) to grow this crop year-after-year and the chemicals used are now in the groundwater.
I'd follow Dean into a new party in a minute.
And I wasn't a Dean person in the primaries, frankly. I didn't belong to anyone until Kerry stepped up and I freely admit that I fell for Kerry.
Hear, hear. If the DNC denies Dean the chair, he totally should bolt. I could see him even starting a Ross Perot-like third-party movement, except hopefully this time it would work a little better.
I wasn't really a Dean person in the primaries either, though after a while I started to really like the guy, and I too was won over by Kerry in the general election.
But the right-wing of the Democratic party needs to be defeated. If we can't take control of the party, we should think about starting a new one. I really think that a Dean-led party wouldn't just be a niche entity like the Green Party is, but would have the potential at least to be something that would appeal to a wide range of Americans.
I'd follow Dean into a new party in a minute.
And I wasn't a Dean person in the primaries, frankly. I didn't belong to anyone until Kerry stepped up and I freely admit that I fell for Kerry.
Hear, hear. If the DNC denies Dean the chair, he totally should bolt. I could see him even starting a Ross Perot-like third-party movement, except hopefully this time it would work a little better.
I wasn't really a Dean person in the primaries either, though after a while I started to really like the guy, and I too was won over by Kerry in the general election.
But the right-wing of the Democratic party needs to be defeated. If we can't take control of the party, we should think about starting a new one. I really think that a Dean-led party wouldn't just be a niche entity like the Green Party is, but would have the potential at least to be something that would appeal to a wide range of Americans.
Thanks, humbly -- I know the textbook definitions and the relationship to the means of production. I was trying to refer to it from a functional point of view. Either way, the means of production are addicted to the "public teat."
Sorry. I was being a smartass. And you're right, it is all on the public's wallet.
Thanks, humbly -- I know the textbook definitions and the relationship to the means of production. I was trying to refer to it from a functional point of view. Either way, the means of production are addicted to the "public teat."
Sorry. I was being a smartass. And you're right, it is all on the public's wallet.
Maybe this has been discussed, but why are we even discussing this bullshit about Kos and Jerome?
Learn something from the Right -- dismiss it. The right wing never defends a mistake -- they shoot it back at them. EG: Rather than apologize for Armstrong Williams or defend his actions, Limbaugh just went on the attack and declared it part of the liberal media conspiracy.
One way to handle stuff like this is to simply say -- Wrong, this is another bunch of lies from the Republican media, which we know is bought and paid for. End of story.
Put it on them.
Maybe this has been discussed, but why are we even discussing this bullshit about Kos and Jerome?
Learn something from the Right -- dismiss it. The right wing never defends a mistake -- they shoot it back at them. EG: Rather than apologize for Armstrong Williams or defend his actions, Limbaugh just went on the attack and declared it part of the liberal media conspiracy.
One way to handle stuff like this is to simply say -- Wrong, this is another bunch of lies from the Republican media, which we know is bought and paid for. End of story.
Put it on them.
But Mr. Bill, under socialism, there is no freedom. Of course, liberals think that's swell.
But Mr. Bill, under socialism, there is no freedom. Of course, liberals think that's swell.
Jennifer sez:
But that I couldn't figure out why the Bush administration itself couldn't have seen the PR value if they had asked all these donors to instead donate money so our troops could have armor
The thing is they know PR. They know that, for most people, a "Support the Troops" magnet is good enough.
Rove has found the point at which Americans are most unthinking and exploits it brilliantly.
I'm going to keep calling this guy and setting him straight.
You have a stronger stomach than I. I can't listen to the radio wingers anymore.
Good Luck!
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Jennifer sez:
But that I couldn't figure out why the Bush administration itself couldn't have seen the PR value if they had asked all these donors to instead donate money so our troops could have armor
The thing is they know PR. They know that, for most people, a "Support the Troops" magnet is good enough.
Rove has found the point at which Americans are most unthinking and exploits it brilliantly.
I'm going to keep calling this guy and setting him straight.
You have a stronger stomach than I. I can't listen to the radio wingers anymore.
Good Luck!
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Going throught the list I was automatically thinking of the various payoffs
I am still "digesting" it -- I immediately posted it to make "amends" for perhaps being snarky when discussing action here. I just hope those that would like to see change can find small ways to work together on it.
Did anyone else think that OH appeared to be over-represented in this listing? Maybe that is my bias and that the "big O" tends to jump off the page/screen. thanks!
Going throught the list I was automatically thinking of the various payoffs
I am still "digesting" it -- I immediately posted it to make "amends" for perhaps being snarky when discussing action here. I just hope those that would like to see change can find small ways to work together on it.
Did anyone else think that OH appeared to be over-represented in this listing? Maybe that is my bias and that the "big O" tends to jump off the page/screen. thanks!
Sorry to go OT, but I'm going back to Sarah Deere's question (from previous thread) about what we can do to combat the ass-hats.
The problem of how to deal with them one-on-one has been an ongoing project of mine for some time. One core problem, in my mind, is that these people are remarkably stubborn, and they have burrowed so far into a really evil and awful belief system, a system where you have to just buy into a whole bunch of nonsensical beliefs. If any one part of it doesn't work, the whole thing collapses.
The worst element to fighting them is the almighty power of rationalizion. They just can't be wrong! Ever! And so they are always clinging to the lamest rationalizations, most of which are talking points generated by the Repug press and the WH. For example, 1300 dead American soldiers aren't that big a deal, more people are killed in car accidents. (My response to lame rationalizations: Warn them against using rationalizations that Osama bin laden can use. "You know, bin Laden could use that, and say that 3000 people killed on Sept 11 isn't that bad.")
(to be continued)
Sorry to go OT, but I'm going back to Sarah Deere's question (from previous thread) about what we can do to combat the ass-hats.
The problem of how to deal with them one-on-one has been an ongoing project of mine for some time. One core problem, in my mind, is that these people are remarkably stubborn, and they have burrowed so far into a really evil and awful belief system, a system where you have to just buy into a whole bunch of nonsensical beliefs. If any one part of it doesn't work, the whole thing collapses.
The worst element to fighting them is the almighty power of rationalizion. They just can't be wrong! Ever! And so they are always clinging to the lamest rationalizations, most of which are talking points generated by the Repug press and the WH. For example, 1300 dead American soldiers aren't that big a deal, more people are killed in car accidents. (My response to lame rationalizations: Warn them against using rationalizations that Osama bin laden can use. "You know, bin Laden could use that, and say that 3000 people killed on Sept 11 isn't that bad.")
(to be continued)
I'd like to think the real pie wouldn't call me "sporky".
Or maybe the humour flew over my head.
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I apologize if this has already been covered (late to the party) but is the comments board a little different today? Or did I just screw up my browser?
Thanks for helping this tech illiterate!
But Mr. Bill, under socialism, there is no freedom. Of course, liberals think that's swell.
I didn't say it was going to be a "ride on a rubber duckie" did I. Please don't construe that one as a call to arms for socialism. Perhaps free markets could be restored to this country -- but I don't need your lectures about what socialism is or is not either. Thanks for offering -- but no thanks.
...it takes an incredible amount of resources (and energy) to grow this crop year-after-year and the chemicals used are now in the groundwater.
I bet the people in Iowa would be happy to know that.
Oh, they probably do. (Ain't gonna happen to me.)
If the DNC is stupid enough to go against what the activists in the party are telling them they want them to do, then they are asking to be sidelined completely as irrelevant.
I'd follow Dean into a new party in a minute.
Say it again. Repeat it. Write your DINOcratic Senator.
We gave the DINOcrats what juice they had after they let the SCLM ice him last spring.
We heard them promise they'd count every vote.
But in the clinch, they again listened to their corporate donors, and blew off the rabble that incidently provide their votes.
Not that they gave a damn if they were counted or not.
In America, you have the freedom to give your money either to Coke or to Pepsi, to ConAgra or Tyson, to Shell or to Exxon, and so on.
I can't tell you how overjoyed I am to be able to choose which evil mega-corporation out of a handful of mega-corporations will get the opportunity to rape my wallet and use the confiscatory proceeds to further undermine my government.
under socialism, there is no freedom.
Like there is under capitalism???
Jennifer - That is so funny - I got into a very small but rather satisfying email exchange this past week with a local winger radio commentator who also has a column in the Dallas Morning News.
He wrote an op-ed titled: The Definition of Torture should be Changed. He was trying to argue expediency - the ticking bomb - and the loon used the previous night's episode of 24 Hours as a good example. I wrote to him that day and said: Mr. Davis, two things: first - 24 Hours is a TV show. It isn't real. Second - THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.
The next day I wrote again and asked him how much he was being paid to be objectively pro-torture. Then I asked him what the guidelines were going to be in this redefinition of human degredation and suffering. How much screaming will be allowed?
That provoked a response. He emailed me that it was the oldest trick in the book to accuse the opposition of being paid and how much was I being paid to mischaracterize points. He went on to say that he was talking about high field command making decisions on how to get information on a case by case basis. I answered him that I knew he knew about Armstrong Williams and that he shouldn't be disingenuous. I said it didn't become him - he'd already demonstrated that his ethics were situational. I told him to reread that part of his email about "case by case."
I didn't hear from him again.
"In a capitalist democracy, rich and
poor alike have the freedom to
sleep under a bridge at night."
Aside from the lame rationalization is the meme repeated so many times that they take it as faith. "Well, it's OK for Fox to be a little conservative because they are counter balancing liberal networks, like CNN."(The meme of the liberal media is one of my favorites to tackle with these ass-hats.) You deal with by not accepting ANY of their memes. Challenge everything they say. "The liberal media? How is CNN liberal? Do you have examples?" I used to be stunned at how well this works, but no longer. Only one person has ever even tried to counter this with an example, and it was so extraordinarily lame, I was in awe of his lameness. (He said that CNN was biased in the 1996 election in that it portrayed Bob Dole as a frail old man.)
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Mule Kicker sez:
Maybe this has been discussed, but why are we even discussing this bullshit about Kos and Jerome?
Learn something from the Right -- dismiss it. The right wing never defends a mistake -- they shoot it back at them. EG: Rather than apologize for Armstrong Williams or defend his actions, Limbaugh just went on the attack and declared it part of the liberal media conspiracy.
You're right.
But the SCLM plays along with the GOPers.
CNN has already gone on about the "scandal" of liberal blogsters. I'd like to make this go away (I also wish a slow, painful death for Zephyr Teachout) but it's now a "story".
And who, among all the Dems, is going to speak out and say what you suggest? That's the key: you have to have someone, or someones, to speak out.
Sorry to be so nakedly partisan but the only Dem who can pull that off is Howard Dean. And he's the one who is the target here.
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Boomer is a stupid cunt.
Not Boomer!
(Holding my hand over my ears and closing my eyes)
La la la la la la la!
bluesman, the F&W pic for Graner would be in the S's, but maybe under 'sucker'. MI and his chain of command are chortling over their promotions and the idea that the chump could ever have taken them down with him. That could reach all the way to the top of two main cabinet departments, and that ain't happening.
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I'd say if you can torture any innocent person into saying whatever you want, torture is pretty useless as an intelligence tool.
Even with a ticking bomb.
The fanatic relishes it- torture after all proves the torturer is the bad guy. The innocent will say anything to avoid it. So where do they get off thinking it's effective?
Learn something from the Right -- dismiss it. The right wing never defends a mistake -- they shoot it back at them. EG: Rather than apologize for Armstrong Williams or defend his actions, Limbaugh just went on the attack and declared it part of the liberal media conspiracy.
Sounds like a lesson to me....
The fanatic relishes it- torture after all proves the torturer is the bad guy. The innocent will say anything to avoid it. So where do they get off thinking it's effective?
Because (at the risk of sounding like a broken record) it's not about information...
...it's about power.
Why do I suddenly think of the old TV show, "The Prisoner"?
Mule Kicker - Oh right, ignore it. Like that will make it go away.
I'm sure some people would just love for us to ignore all the shit the right says and does - after all, that's pretty much how the right got the stranglehold it has on the country. I know I ignored their bullshit for years and years. And this is what it got me - this fucked up fascistic nightmare.
I ain't ignoring anything. I'm yelling, I'm fighting and anyone who doesn't like it can just go to hell.
BTW, just for fun, here's Kos' page with his original disclaimer at the top.
Notice it's from a year and a half ago.
Also, the disclaimer links to Kos' original post where he announced he'd be working for the Dean campaign - also from a year and a half ago.
And that little item at the top of the page was there for months on end - even after Kos was no longer doing anything for the Dean campaign.
So who are the "prominent bloggers" who somehow missed this and how much are they paid to ignore such things?
Tena sez:
He was trying to argue expediency - the ticking bomb - and the loon used the previous night's episode of 24 Hours as a good example.
I confess I'm a fan of 24 but the wingers always bring up that show to justify torture.
It's a TeeVee show. Not real life. The tortured guy on 24 picks up his paycheck at the end of filming. I doubt that the denizens of Abu Ghraib or "Gitmo" have that luxury.
Then again, Paris and Nicole are used to justify slutdom. It's a messed-up world.
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Why do I suddenly think of the old TV show, "The Prisoner"?
I think about it all the time.
A dose of "Free For All" would go good about now...
Be seeing you!
...it takes an incredible amount of resources (and energy) to grow this crop year-after-year and the chemicals used are now in the groundwater.
...sssssso it's inferior to oil in your water? It's not perfect but we don't see how it's not head-and-shoulders above the current insanity.
Tena - painful though it may be, I think we should each target a rwing media clone in our respective areas, and contact them repeatedly. I was really polite with the radio host, (I've called him several times before) because I want to be sure that my calls will continue to be taken. Ultimately I'd like to pull a Jon Stewart on him and his audience with my "you can't be a patriot if you hate your fellow citizens simply because their opinions differ from your own" bit, so I want to remain the civil voice of reason up until that point. And even then, deliver the bomb with a civil and reasonable tone.
We could call it Project Exploding Freeper Head or something and try to take it nationwide.
"Susan - that's fine - you are free to do what you will. But intimating that the rest of us "will probably fall in line" and that we are "useful idiots," is hardly fair."
The two parties are "top down" orginizations. The reason Dean scares the crap out of the Democratic leadership is that he ignited a REAL grassroots movement and as a result, we realized that WE HAD POWER. Establishment Dems love to talk about the grassroots as long as it isn't organized and doesn't wield any real power. In other words, we aren't suppose to threaten them.
I used the term "useful idiots" because that's how the leadership PROBABLY views us. We are to behave ourselves, vote for the man they choose and not get too many ideas of our own.
Whether or not you "fall in line" with the choices made by the DNC is your business. I am just saying that usually we do because we don't have too many alternatives. What are we going to do, become Republicans??
He was trying to argue expediency - the ticking bomb - and the loon used the previous night's episode of 24 Hours as a good example. I wrote to him that day and said: Mr. Davis, two things: first - 24 Hours is a TV show.
You know, I wonder how many wingers really understand that the torture committed by the Bush administration has nothing to do with the kind of thing you see on 24.
On 24, it really IS a ticking-bomb situation. Jack tortures people ---or even cooler, threatens to expose their daughter to a deadly virus and make them watch her painful death!--- when millions of lives are hanging in the balance.
THis almost NEVER happens in real life. How GOP wingnuts see ass-raping inmates with nightsticks at Abu Ghraib has anything to do with this is beoynd me.
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Aside from the lame rationalization and the accepted meme, there are other "tactics." Cliches, logical fallacies, intimidation, lies, projection, etc. Do not even try to discuss anything with someone who relies on tactics. Attack the tactics. If they are using particularly vile tactics, don't be polite. Respond to them the same way they respond to you. Sooner or later (especially if they can tell you are well-informed or just smarter than they are) they will try to get out of it with a tactic, either "lighten up" or "you libs take this stuff too seriously" or "I didn't come here to have a fight over politics" (usually spoken by someone who called Kerry a traitor at a family gathering) or "liberals are nasty" or whatever. Never let them get off this easy. Always call them out on their tactics.
I suppose a lot of people know all this. Should I go on? I confront people, inperson, on the phone, on the Internet, all the time. If someone supports Bush, and wants to discuss it without a bunch of tactics, I am fine with that. One of my best friends in the history program I am in supported Bush, and we have disussed it, no problem. But she is the rare Bush-supporter who isn't a maniac. (She does think he's an idiot, but she thinks the Middle East (where her family is from) is a mess that needs to be cleansed.)
SHe's the only one who wasn't a lie-believing, yelling, tactics-using whacko!
Don't let them get away with anything!
Why do I suddenly think of the old TV show, "The Prisoner"?
Could it be the bubble of negative media coverage that engulfs Howard Dean whenever he tries to tell his party anything?
Jennifer - I think it's a good idea, but I've already snarked at Davis. Someone else would have to pick him up if it was going to work like you describe.
Otherwise, I intend to continue to snark at Davis often.
Could it be the bubble of negative media coverage that engulfs Howard Dean whenever he tries to tell his party anything?
It wasn't what I had in mind, but now it is.
That was very, very good....
I just cancelled my WaPo subscription because of that 100K. Fuck the media.
Susan - I didn't mean to be harsh to you, so if you took it so, I'm sorry. I understand what you're saying, though you could have made it maybe clearer. I'm sorry I just read it as we'd fall in line because we are useful idiots. I didn't realize you meant from some other standpoint.
But it honestly isn't that big a deal.
We fundamentally agree.
respond to them as they respond to you
break out the ball bats.
I know I ignored their bullshit for years and years. And this is what it got me - this fucked up fascistic nightmare.
I ain't ignoring anything. I'm yelling, I'm fighting and anyone who doesn't like it can just go to hell.
Tena
You'd make a great Wolverine.
we got turned off of Law & Order because of how often it proved to be lurid rightist fantasy. So much TV is all about arguing, through fantasy with no basis in reality, for racism, sexism, turning back the clock in general. A female character is only interesting if she concedes something ridiculous (unisex bathrooms on Ally McBeal showing an illiterate misunderstanding of sexual equality, etc). Or in the Sopranos: black people steal a car. Its rightful owner calls after them: "NIGGERS!" His wife chides him and he responds (evidently this was logical to the writer) "well, who else?!" There was this HBO original flick with Bill Pullman as Everycop, the entire thing was over-the-top stereotypes (the bad guy was an obsessed Latin lover and the Chief was a crusty Irishman with a growling voice who'd seen everything) and horrible lines that would've been overdone in a Thirties child crime drama.
The only thing worth watching on TV is the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
And Totally Spies.
And if you get Canadian TV there's Rick Mercer, Venture, Fifth Estate, the institution that is David Suzuki, various random pieces and a few others.
But, in summary, everything is garbage.
That was very, very good....
'Twas nothing, sirrah. You come up with better here routinely.
I have found it easier to be witty on a weekend than trying to post in the middle of the week after 10 hours at work and 4 hours with the kids.
Funny, that.
The only thing worth watching on TV is the Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
And Totally Spies.
You're right, but you really ought to look up those old episodes of Secret Agent and The Prisoner.
Prophetic- or is it just deja vu?
"We fundamentally agree."
Yes, Tina, we definitely do. Let's just keep on kickin' rears only not each others! (I'm winking!)
We've watched most of the Prisoner on video in high school.
kelley b. - You'd make a great Wolverine.
vis-a-vis Wolverine, I don't think I could be him. However, I could certainly do the Hugh Jackman verson of him.
Dem bones, dem bones!
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Yes, I know "version" has an "i."
Susan - and the trolls say we engage in 'group think' here. Hee hee.
steve s., you probably intended to rephrase for your purposes, but I want to post this just because I love it so.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." - Anatole France
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What law is Anatole talking about? Is this Anatole a furrner who hates our chrupes?
Tina, Just was over at Digby's and read your comment about wanting to shave Zephyr's head and brand her a collaborator.
Sure glad you're not mad at me any more!
Note to men: If Tina gets mad at you, and she's wielding her clippers, WATCH OUT!!
Yes, I know "version" has an "i."
I know Tena has an *e*.
Hmmmmmmm.
And Tena, by Wolverine, kelley b. meant Michigan Wolverine, as in U-M.
But that's okay. It's only sportz.
Oh, my bad. Tena with an E!
woowoo!
Thanks, again, pie!
But she would fit right in here, you know.
But she would fit right in here, you know.
She'd kick ass, fer shure.
'Night.
'Night, pie.
May the Force be with you.
Fielding your awesome links made my day. All you other assholes here too as usual.
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