I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
its too much man.. we can't keep bein frist
Let me guess: No change, no surprise?
LJ - bingo!
• Pierce Bush (nephew of President Bush)
oh, like THIS kid wasn't made fun of in school.
Like I said before, IOKIYSCUM.
Well, hey- the Republicans run everything now. It's only proper that they have exclusive rights to broadcast time.
And if John Kerry had been sworn in yesterday, well, golly, it's only right that the Republicans get a chance to give their side of the issues.
Right?
Does Shrum really belong in the Democrat column?
Well, hey- the Republicans run everything now. It's only proper that they have exclusive rights to broadcast time.
And if John Kerry had been sworn in yesterday, well, golly, it's only right that the Republicans get a chance to give their side of the issues.
Right?
It's their due.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Atrios, please tell the MM guys to make this a daily installment.
its the epitome of sickness that Scarborough was the most balanced.
...and no-names like "Wonkette" don't count as liberals.
Cock
chugging
WHORES
it's really really labor intensive to do the full day daily. All the nets have their prime time transcripts up on nexis, but only CNN does 24/7.
But, if you think this is valuable stuff, mmfa could always use your donations to hire more people.
Is Joe Piscopo really a "progressive?
I always think of him as more of a washed-up has been who never really had anything going on in the first place.
Well, we can take solace in the fact that only the congenitally sycophantic actually bothered to watch that much inauguration coverage. And that anyone who actually watched that much of it on TV is probably now suffering severe brain damage, sexual dysfunction, and anal rot.
Of course, these were the same people the whole degraded spectacle was intended to appeal to in the first place. So it all works out!
But, if you think this is valuable stuff, mmfa could always use your donations to hire more people.
Hire me, I'll do for peanuts for Media Matters.
I'm serious.
anal rot.
good god, man.
regarding IOKIYSCUM-
I'm going to create an online database of all the wack, crazy scandals prominent conservatives have been involved in that SCLM would never let liberals get away with.
It'll be a great place to direct your conservative and moderate friends and family to, to give them a dose of reality.
I need help though- I just created a thumb-nail sketch sort of list on my site- but I need people to remind me of scandals I've forgotten or never heard of, and if you can give me links to substantiate them, that will save me time, too.
So, please check out my site and leave something in the comments on the post, and please pass it around, let people know what I'm doing and the help I need. Maybe I'll try to get IOKIYSCUM domain name, if Central Scrutinizer doesn't mind.
how do we stop this?
Swan,
You have my blessing.
Go for it.
it's really really labor intensive to do the full day daily.
Especially if you have to watch all that shit, I'd imagine. "Smith! Watch eight hours of Fox tonight! Take notes!"
MMFA probably couldn't afford the insurance you'd need to pay to do it, what with the definite risk of turning any potential monitor's brain into goober-grape inside a fortnight.
Swan,
just left you a comment.
Actually, add this to it: Dick Cheney - posed for a photograph sitting spread-legged with what appeared to be a baby's arm holding an apple in one pant leg.
Right. Two Tylenol P.M.s tonight to get rid of that image.
Here's some very good news about funding for progressive organizations.
MMFA probably couldn't afford the insurance you'd need to pay to do it, what with the definite risk of turning any potential monitor's brain into goober-grape inside a fortnight.
hey, I used to have to watch Al Goldstein's show for potentially libelous content. It didn't do me any . . .
never mind.
Actually, add this to it: Dick Cheney - posed for a photograph sitting spread-legged with what appeared to be a baby's arm holding an apple in one pant leg.
Touche for the anal rot comment...
Why isn't Soros buying a TV network?
mea culpa.
It's not impossible to do it daily, but it's impossible to do it in a timely fashion daily. Three levels of media monitoring -- watching the shows, pulling the captioning transcripts and reading those, reading the official transcripts.
Full time monitoring of 3 nets all day is tough. The caption transcripts are imperfect and difficult to read.
and that's not even my line, Thers.
I think it's Holden's, but I can't be sure.
thanks, CS. Thanks, watertiger.
Anyway, to get a little more ON-topic...
those Media Matters tables are damn shocking... but, I watched like CBS or sumpin' coverage of the inauguration and it was amazing how deferential it was to the admin... so I guess this is just the way things are now... the only thing was that they cut to shots of a couple protestors getting aressted WHILE bush was speaking... but besides that, the commentators were so nice to bush, it was sickening...
Latest chapter of The Spy In The House of Blogpac.
Especially if you have to watch all that shit, I'd imagine. "Smith! Watch eight hours of Fox tonight! Take notes!"
Call me a masochist, but after watching the entire repuglican convention, I think I could do it.
Like Quentin Crisp once said:
The key is not losing your nerve.
a'right, I'm going to bed... goodnight, all
Is that an echo I hear in this chamber?
Howdy, Eli.
Have not seen you around much, but I understand why. Sucks around here lately with the trolls and name stealers.. Jeepers, I feel the need to point out the obvious.
It's not impossible to do it daily, but it's impossible to do it in a timely fashion daily.
All you have to do is get the schedule and make a list or make a call to the networks' programming departments...right?
maybe MMA could hook up with other media watchdog groups, like FAIR, and pool your resources for a project like this. Get college interns to do the grunt work.
I know, easy for me to say. Just a thought that ricocheted off my cranium.
roy,
interesting
I think it's Holden's, but I can't be sure.
Oh, I believe it... that man's mind is a cesspit!
Mine, however, is as pure as the driven smegma.
Have not seen you around much, but I understand why. Sucks around here lately with the trolls and name stealers.. Jeepers, I feel the need to point out the obvious.
Nah, it's not that. I just haven't had as much free time in my free time.
A free press is important, because
slaves would be too stupid to write
the news."
--Ed Bluestone, National Lampoon,
1973
Plus once I fall behind on a thread, there's just no hope of catching up, so I usually don't bother.
And howdy back atcha!
Mine, however, is as pure as the driven smegma.
memo to self: 2.5 Tylenol P.M.s
Only if you want to report what they say the broadcast as opposed to what they actually do broadcast. At this point I am not prepared to take their word for it.
But trolling is fun!!!
hey, I used to have to watch Al Goldstein's show for potentially libelous content. It didn't do me any . . .
And thereby hangs a tale...?
(And some tail. AAAAHG! Why can't I stop punning... the madness is upon me...)
we got Joe Piscopo?
Talk about no respect.
I always thought he was a Republican! Like, big time!
Did he pull a reverse-Miller?
oy.
So, what exactly was Al saying about you, tiger?
joe piscopo was never funny.
that's what's so funny.
It is complete BS that this is allowed to continue. I am pretty confident that at least 49% of the people watching these shows are not being represented appropriately. Further, from what I have seen of the demographics that assnozzles like O"Falafel get it is a 49% that is highly enriched for a demographic group that advertisers want. Someone should start a campaign not to watch channels with this kind of biased programming. These people are enormous whores, money talks for them. Look at Clear Channel playing Air America content. Tell this clowns that as long as they have such biased content you wont watch. Tell the sponsors. Include your zip code, it is how they decide if they want you or not.
joe piscopo was never funny.
that's what's so funny.
One word: Johnny Dangerously.
"It's an .88 magnum. It shoots through schools."
Eli,
Ew.
Actually, at one point, he was giving the "go fuck yourself" to my friend's father, who was representing his soon-to-be ex-wife in divorce proceedings.
renato,
Considering the fact that no one's seen hide nor hair of Piscopo since "Johnny Dangerously", why the hell did anyone decide to dig that loser up? Whatever side he's on, he's a loser.
And "Johnny Dangerously" sucked.
FWIW
"It all happened during the magical summer of 1985. A maturing Joe
Piscopo left `Saturday Night Live' to conquer Hollywood; People
Express introduced a generation of hicks to plane travel; and I was
in a barbershop quartet."
Actually, at one point, he was giving the "go fuck yourself" to my friend's father, who was representing his soon-to-be ex-wife in divorce proceedings.
Ah, okay. Closest I got was rummaging through record store bins looking for covers of Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer with my weird cousin, who was working for the guy who owned the copyright to the song...
On the plus side, I never would have known about James Brown's Christmas album (Santa's Got A Brand New Bag) otherwise.
Piscopo was interviewed on MSNBC last night or tonight and was asked if he's going to run for NJ governor. He said he hasn't decided yet. And this was a serious conversation I believe.
I weep. Heh. I sleep. Nite all.
Aiiight, i gotsta get mein ass up early tomorrow. i'm outty.
looking forward to our snowstorm tomorrow, too. i hope it stalls over NYC, and we get heaps of snow. I love blizzards in NYC. shuts down the place. everything gets soooo quiet.
Piscopo was interviewed on MSNBC last night or tonight and was asked if he's going to run for NJ governor.
If that includes a promise never to try to make another movie, he wins in a landslide.
Joe Piscopo - perhaps a Democrat, but not exactly a strong one:
Question from TheWatcher: Joe, what is your impression of George W. Bush?
Joe Piscopo: You know, speaking as a Democrat, I really am most impressed with Mr. Bush because of the comments I hear from the people around him. When one talks to friends or other people in the political arena, you really hear the inside dope, so to speak. In this case, the dope on Bush is good, so to speak.
Question from Voteforal: Joe, hello there. What are your thoughts on Al Gore's chances? Also, what is the Creative Coalition?
Joe Piscopo: Don't ever underestimate Al Gore! I don't know Al, and I don't know if I'm gonna vote for him either, but he is a man of integrity. He's a man with a solid family history like Bush, so you can't underestimate a guy like that. I can only hope that if he does win, he and Tipper don't dance. The Republicans actually dance better than Tipper and Al Gore.
I avoided as much of the coronation as possible, but I happened to switch in the radio just before Bush took the oath of office. The triumphant cheers the crowd broke into were frightening.
His supporters positively worship the man, and when all is said and done, I just don't get it. What do they see in him?
woowoo!
roy,
interesting
Atrios
Indeed. I figured that something was fishy. I wasn't aware of how fishy it was.
No one's gonna believe this, but:
Joe Piscopo was funny at least once.
He did a special for HBO that included
a parody of Michael Jackson's
Thriller video.
Except that Piscopo/as/Jackson
turned into zombie
Jerry Lewis. A whole chorus of
Zombie Jerry Lewis's.
Trust me....it was hilarious.
Of course, it's also been out of
print since the early 80s.
So I could be wrong.
In this case, the dope on Bush is good, so to speak.
Not half as good as the dope *in* Bush, I would imagine...
Put your money where your mouth is!
I wasn't aware of how fishy it was.
I smelled it right away but didn't comment, as I'm still in "Don't feed the troll" mode.
Breaking news:
Joe Piscopo still sucks ass.
memo to self: 2.5 Tylenol P.M.s
Particularly effective if you knock 'em back with a little Macallan.
woowooboi,
Any relation to Ronnie "Woo", of Chicago sports stadium bleacher fame?
Ron that is really interesting and a GREAT find.
Okay, I've been a dick on here the last few months...excuse me...election reform means the world to me...but i still read this essential site every damn day.
But come on...roy...troll...at least use pig latin.
I give credit to Eddie Murphy for giving Piscopo whatever cred he might have had.
"Cill my landlord."
I mentioned this at length on the endless Waiting for Cat thread, so to spare anyone who actually read it:
Associated Press did a reader/editor survey where they showed photos from the tsunami and Iraq. There were dead children, grieving mothers, wounded soldiers and Nick Berg. They said they were 'graphic', but you see a lot of worse stuff on cable TV. They asked where or if we would put these pictures in the paper.
Between 21 and 30% of the readers would not make photos of violence in Iraq or the mother & dead children photo available AT ALL- not even on the website.
So we have close to a third of the population who don't want to see what's going on in the world for themselves. What kind of people can go on TV and wake up the brain dead?
Like Quentin Crisp once said:
The key is not losing your nerve.
Quentin Crisp spoke at my college back in the 80s. He had an audience question session at the end of his schtick, and he answered my question (submitted on an index card): "why did the chicken cross the road?" Honestly, I don't remember his answer, but he was simultaneously flummoxed and funny.
It can't go on like this forever, maybe it's sort of like when Reagan died and there was the sudden need to forget giant portions of relatively recent history, and it went on like that for awhile.
But if it does continue like this, there's always the welcome diversion of Ba'al worship.
Kill your television sets and set up altars in high places.
mary anastasia o'grady.
see her diatribe against chavez in today's WSJ.
can someone tell me who this c*nt is? an irish c*nt representing the vatican? and other fascists?
all ears.
OK, in all fairness, Piscopo did a fairly decent Sinatra impression.
I'll give him that.
Well doesn't it count as a liberal when they put someone on that can drink milk through their nose or smoke a cigarette from their naval?
Ba'al buddy:
You're continued presence reassures
us!!!
That's it...nothing funny.
Just hi.
Atta,
Thanks.
see her diatribe against chavez in today's WSJ.
Chavez scares the shit out of Wall Street and Washington
"Cill my landlord."
Reminds me of that Garrett Morris song on SNL:
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
When I kill all the whities I see, then whitey he won't bother me,
I'm gonna get me a shotgun and kill all the whities I see.
Who's West Coast and still up? (or...who's EAST coast or midwest, or mountain or.... and still up?)
But come on...roy...troll...at least use pig latin.
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Night all...gotta get to my parental
unit in Jersey before the huge
motherfucking blizzard kicks in.
Have fun!
Who's West Coast and still up?
me central Cal- and the flesh is willing but the mind is weak...
Reminds me of that Garrett Morris song on SNL:
Back when SNL was worth watching.
Smigel's "TV Funhouse" is as close as it gets now.
Who's West Coast and still up? (or...who's EAST coast or midwest, or mountain or.... and still up?)
East coast...ish, and still up.
I use Commenzyte.
Midwest and still up
Atta,
Thanks.
I smelled it right away but didn't comment, as I'm still in "Don't feed the troll" mode.
After the first time I saw it post, I tried one earnest smack-down of one of its blog entries to see if it would respond. It didn't. After that, I just shrugged it off as either some thug or Al From lackey (no difference, really). I'm trying not to give it too much thought, but I'm kind of curious as to what it actually is.
Central time zone myself.....
(Sonetimes I crack myself up)
Oink.
I am a Democrat -- that is, I WAS a Democrat until George W. Bush was elected! Now I've changed my mind, and don't want anything to do with DEMONRATS!
George W. Bush -- "Dubya" -- is doing everything I like -- invading countries that wish us harm, appointing strict constructionist judges (not those homosexual-lovers!).
And, he is a charming man!
Now I will suck my own penis in celebration!
Love, Penis
Who's West Coast and still up? (or...who's EAST coast or midwest, or mountain or.... and still up?)
East coast, still up cuz I'm watching Cinemax....
I saw Quentin Crisp on thirty fourth street many moons ago-said hello to the lovely gentleman who really did have lavender hair.
And, as for Wonkette, she'd sell out any liberal as fast as you could say anal sex.
Anal se-
Dang.
as for Wonkette, she'd sell out any liberal as fast as you could say anal sex.
Yeah, but she's so dreamy.
I'm in the eastern time zone and fast asleep. I'm having some pretty messed up dreams, though. Like that NTodd is watching Cinemax.
It might have been better had not a single progressive, democrat or liberal volunteer to be on any of these shows so we could use that as ammo in saying those networks can't possibly have a liberal bias since no liberals were covering the coronation?
Is it really this simple?
Of course not. Expecting democrats to come up with something so simple minded requires they become republicans.
Morons all of them.
MYOB'
.
I'm in the eastern time zone and fast asleep. I'm having some pretty messed up dreams, though. Like that NTodd is watching Cinemax.
Okay, I'm surfing between The Bikini Escort Company and Bull Durham. Bored, don't wanna spring for the Playboy Channel, and Rebecca MacKinnon's busy in Cambridge tonight...
the idea of Wonkette is so much better than the reality- she's Maureen Dowd with an internet connection and without the NY Times' rep to live up to.
The "expert" on all things blogs, Hugh Hewitt has picked his Blog of the Month http://poorrichardsalmanac.blogspot.com. Smart move Hugh, Mark Anderson basically rips you and all your right-wing hack buddies a new hole.
I saved a screen shot for the memory hole.
Who's West Coast and still up? (or...who's EAST coast or midwest, or mountain or.... and still up?)
Midwest is still up. We're watching 'Monk' on USA network. One of the best shows on TV.
MYOB'
.
the idea of Wonkette is so much better than the reality
I'd be willing to test that theory. In the name of science.
The New York Times sent me a subscription letter. I am torn between writting a no thank you letter or just taking a big grumpy and mailing them that.
Why is latin pundit writing about whale and marsupial sex, with mice doing the titillating?
But come on...roy...troll...at least use pig latin.
You know, I'm embarrassed to say I didn't notice until you pointed it out. I did momentarily think it odd that A had read it so quickly. Sorry, Ron.
[This being my second "sorry" of the evening, I believe it's time to shut down and pass out. G'night all.]
I'm in the eastern time zone and fast asleep. I'm having some pretty messed up dreams, though. Like that NTodd is watching Cinemax.
Thersites
don't be alarmed but i once saw a Twilighht Zone where this sleeping guy astrol-projected himself to into a space where he strangled a foil- however he went to the wrong room,and strangeled himself.
.
I'm so brave, I'm so brave
I'll be her love slave
I will date the girl from Venus, for science.
Now wait just a farging minute, you iceholes. Johnny Dangerously was indeed funny, but not because of Joe Piscapo. Nope, it was Norman Moroni whose slaughtered English made me laugh till the Pepsi came out my nose.
"I'm gonna put your bells in the sling!"
That guy just killed me!
OK, it was a long time ago....
shirty,
Flowers die, and so will I.
West Coast - it's just hitting 9:45 here. Been a really lousy week, though, so between the booze and the depression, don't know how long I'll be able to hang in...
...sorry i meant a night gallery... jack cassidy i think...
the idea of Wonkette is so much better than the reality
I'd be willing to test that theory. In the name of science.
Now I'm having very vivid, quite disturbing, but oddly fascinating dreams about NTodd's photobogging.
I'm amazed that Michael Keaton survived the "Johnny Dangerously" black hole.
I had my doubts.
Nick, America doesn't like death, esp our own. That's why there's such a fundie base here (not as much as they claim but probably more than other Western nations have)
Looking at dead people is almost as icky as thinking about people having sex... or men kissing each other ! I think it also tends to make people feel a bit of unexplained guilt.
In all seriousness, I don't know that I'd Want to look at pictures of dead children but I think from a reporting view that it's important not to hide them.
I did have some reservations about the pictures of people falling out of the WTC on 9/11 that were in some papers but I'd be upset if the gov't told them they Couldn't publish them. Think flags and coffins...
Central zone here, btw
Whale and marsupial sex, titillating rats...thank god...I was scared that latinpundit opened up the gates of hell and zombies were gonna crash my pad.
joy,
he's probably got my rss feed just in case he needs to call his lawyers.
just a joke. I hope.
east coast, bitchs.
and Johnny Dangerously had some funny parts, but on the whole, even as a 12 year old, I found it lacking.
Piscopo was at best modestly funny until he started weightlifting. When he appeared on the cover of Muscle and Fitness it was all over.
okay, I'm in the midwest, and thinking of going to bed...but I'm afraid I'll dream of 'testing Wonkette's reality'...and then NTodd will astrally project himself into the scene and strangle me.
Or maybe I'd dream of being the liberal guest on some cut rate cable talk show where the host spoke pig latin and the crowd roared enthusiastically at every thing he said, and all I could tell was that he sounded stupid and mean.
think I'll stay up a while yet and keep feeding the wood furnace...
the idea of Wonkette is so much better than the reality
I'd be willing to test that theory. In the name of science.
Now I'm having very vivid, quite disturbing, but oddly fascinating dreams about NTodd's photobogging.
Thers - I'll send you a special URL with my test results. Don't tell NYMary.
I think projectile vomiting is the best tactic in dealing with Conservative Talk Show hosts!
I read a study in some publication, of unremembered credibility, that stated that opposition to the Vietnam war didn't spike around the VC suspect execution photo or the napalmed girl photo, and only retroactively were they assigned such power. If that were the case, the desire for the photos to be shown, which I think should be done anyway, in order to get people to think about things, might not be a realistic plan.
Or maybe the study was BS. I can't remember.
Speaking of third raters like Wonkette, Virgin Ben Shapiro was on Dennis Miller's show last week. Complete with a yarlmuke. He looked like Alfalfa, if Alfalfa was a wingnut.
It was, like, a totally bargain basement moment.
Time zones. Daylight "savings" time.
People doing "stuff" contemporaneously, but diff zones. How strange and wunnerful.
Apologies for having neglected to mention CST.
Fuck Bush?
Looks like Shaalan, Allawi and two other Iraqi ministers stole $300 million cash through bogus armaments purchase. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Story over at the NY Times. Caretaker as in take care of self for rainy days in upcoming exile.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/2.../
22baghdad.html
Cracking open a beer for the late nighters. How do you guys keep up with multiple threads and blogs?
It's not impossible to do it daily, but it's impossible to do it in a timely fashion daily.
Having no social life does it for me.
Virgin Ben Shapiro was on Dennis Miller's show last week.
Seriously?
That's fucking crazy.
Thers - I'll send you a special URL with my test results. Don't tell NYMary.
Dang, the "ethical questions" addressed at that Harvard conference had previously only seemed dopey; now they've become downright boring...
Ripley: they actually had the flag draped coffin pic, and only 12% thought it should not be printed or shown. I guess they felt more comfortable with sanitized facts.
55% of the readers didn't want any of the Nick Berg photos printed, and when I took the survey, those were the hardest ones for me to decide on (again, the sample photo they used was not graphic in the Schwarzenegger-movie sense of the term).
I'm sort of old fashioned, I guess- I think people should know what's going on in the world, especially when it's their government's doing.
I actually have a hardcover edition of the Rants that I bought when I was young and stupid. I'm thinking of auctioning it off to the person who would get the most pleasure out of burning it, and donating the money to charity.
Nur al-Cubicle - That is totally bizarre! Hopefully, more of the media will jump on it.
CST here but the question you raised, Sarah, dear, is existential -- it depends on your perception of up-ness, doesn't it? And, in the interest of full disclosure, it's possible that I will indeed be up after I've gone to bed and gone down, as it were.
I read a study in some publication, of unremembered credibility, that stated that opposition to the Vietnam war didn't spike around the VC suspect execution photo or the napalmed girl photo, and only retroactively were they assigned such power. If that were the case, the desire for the photos to be shown, which I think should be done anyway, in order to get people to think about things, might not be a realistic plan.
Or maybe the study was BS. I can't remember.
Not BS. Support began to drop below 50% in 1967. The Nguyen Ngoc Loan pic was taken in 1968--the Kim Phuc pic was taken in 1972.
Dang, the "ethical questions" addressed at that Harvard conference had previously only seemed dopey; now they've become downright boring...
Oh, but discussing ethics with my favorite evil kitten-eating cyborg is certainly fun when she's doing the Dance of the Seven Veils is quite, uh...uplifting.
I read a study in some publication, of unremembered credibility, that stated that opposition to the Vietnam war didn't spike around the VC suspect execution photo or the napalmed girl photo,
The VC suspect photo was in 1968 and the girl photo was in 1972. The latter photo did do damage but the anti-war sentiment was very great by 72. I think Tet Offensive was a big factor in turning people against the war....people really questioned what is going on and how could we possibly winning.
Virgin Ben Shapiro was on Dennis Miller's show last week.
I thought I'd detected a great nausea in the Force, as if the entire audience of a lame cable show, a dozen voices, all retched in agony, and were suddenly silenced...
Nothing to say, so I'm just gonna streak the thread as a big hello.
*SSSTREEEEAAAK*
Oh, but discussing ethics with my favorite evil kitten-eating cyborg is certainly fun when she's doing the Dance of the Seven Veils is quite, uh...uplifting.
Hee hee. They certainly are comical up there.
I got slightly worried halfway through needling them that all of a sudden they'd invite us to actually go to the thing. God, that would have shut me up pronto.
Nothing to say, so I'm just gonna streak the thread as a big hello.
*SSSTREEEEAAAK*
Did anyone else just see the Southern Hemisphere go by?
Virgin Ben Shapiro was on Dennis Miller's show last week.
After a few moments of reflection, it confirms my suspicions of Miller's lack of relevence and his desperation for guests no one outside the blogosphere has heard of.
Ben Shapiro?
*smirk*
*I thought I'd detected a great nausea in the Force, as if the entire audience of a lame cable show, a dozen voices, all retched in agony, and were suddenly silenced...*
Sounds kinda like the world premiere of Attack of the Clones.
Freiends, I think the whole thing crumbles after this sham election. It is clear that there will be a less-than-predicted turn out and that the insurgents will carry out attacks which will overshadow the results. My sense is that the public's patience is already thin and when they see that this alleged panecea of free elections doesn't quell the violence, the calls for bringing home the troops will happen almost overnigt and come down in torrents with politicians, left and right, who are fed up with it. I don't have solid evidence of this, but it is a gut feeling.
joe piscapo?
joe piscapo?
does our side have one of those, uh. . .whaddya call 'em. . .
a-lists?
Zapatero is cool.
Not only did he pull out of Iraq, but he also put pressure on Chile to try that murderous geezer Pinochet, is grilling that Argentinean bastard Adolfo Scilingo and is paying reparations to the sons and daughters of Republican parents who were sent alone into exile as kids to foster homes. Of 37,000 only 602 are left--most of them in Russian and Ukraine. Bet Aznar is crapping in his pants.
*Did anyone else just see the Southern Hemisphere go by?*
Ahahahaha. It's all part of the great conspiracy to leave the northern hemisphere in our dust, as we partake of the splendor of cheap wine, cheap wine and cheap wine.
Hmmmmm, cheap wine.
Does anyone else get CNN International?
I have to pay more for it but it is much better than CNN.
Just curious
If you abide by my word, you are truly my disciples. And you will know the clamp and that very clamp will make you free.
?My sense is that the public's patience is already thin and when they see that this alleged panecea of free elections doesn't quell the violence, the calls for bringing home the troops will happen almost overnigt and come down in torrents with politicians, left and right, who are fed up with it.
When, not if, Bush's Social Security plan fails and the entirety of Iraq is set on fire, the 2006 midterm elections are going to be a bitch for George and Karl.
But the right complains because the SCLM only reports American soldiers and innocent Iraqis dying but won't report all the insurgents we're killing.
I can't believe we've devolved to the point where we're splitting hairs over whose death we should be discussing.
“Is this damn cheap civilization of ours to go blandly on, never getting a slap in the face?” – Sherwood Anderson
Evidently....
*Does anyone else get CNN International?
I have to pay more for it but it is much better than CNN.
Just curious*
Nope, but we have BBC World free to air overnight everynight.
It's alway a tear when the channel goes back to it's regular viewing. Although the regular viewing is usually british so I get over it.
Except for Coronation Street. I'll never forgive that one.
old hat, they got that election thing covered.
*When, not if, Bush's Social Security plan fails and the entirety of Iraq is set on fire, the 2006 midterm elections are going to be a bitch for George and Karl.*
Fuck I hope so. You guys are scaring the shit out of me down here.
North Korea anyone?
We will have to deal with the fact that a substantial portion of wingnuts believe that one election equals a democracy.
Iraq will be a success like Afghanistan.
*Iraq will be a success like Afghanistan.*
Where?
What the hell happened to Dennis Miller anyway? I mean what must he have been thinking with this incredible swing to the right. What percentage of Republicans with 8th grade educations are going to undestand stuff like references to Herodotus or the Pythagorians or any of the other weird stuff he comes out with.
North Korea anyone?
Those guys just want money. They're not going to do anything to S. Korea or Japan. China will come down with the economic/diplomatic heavy if anything gets out of control over there.
Israel, the neocons and Iran scare me more.
Afghanistan was a huge success. It drove the price of Herion way down. God bless em!
Old Hat
I hope you're right but one thing that worries me is that the only issue that Bush has a positive rating on is the "security" issue. It seems absurd that 62% of the public thinks that he's doing a good job with that when we're taking casualties everyday in Iraq, but what's more worrying is that the Dems seem to have ceded the issue to him. The logic seems to be we haven't been attacked since 9/11 therefore he must be doing something right. I can't think of an effective rhetorical counter to that line. Has anyone heard one?
You know. Like how Afghanistan is a success. Like when you get in an argument with a troll, and they offer as evidence Bush's liberation of Afghanistan and the election of Karzai there.
The warlords, the 'mayor of kabul' thing, the Taliban resurgence, the fact that women still have to wear burqas... it's not there.
WKD, not to worry. North Korea has too many syllables for us to attack them and the North/South thing would be too confusing for the red-staters.
Did you guys hear the response regarding why we weren't able to stop the poppy harvesting and processing in Afstan?
"They harvested the poppy earlier than we expected and when we showed up they were gone." Shorter version: "They hid it"
Seriously -
Iraq will be a success like Afghanistan.
Well, the democracy may be a little iffy in Afghanistan, but I hear that the crops are doing well! Hooray for capitalism! Let's hear it for supply and demand!
If you felt farcical, you could compare Bush's deterrence of terrorists to the Simpsons episode where Springfield pays a bear patrol tax, and no more bears arrive. Homer buys the post hoc ergo propter hoc.
So Lisa gives him a rock that she says repels tigers, and notes that there are no tigers around.
And of course, Homer asks how it works.
though your heart is aching
even though it’s breaking
When there are clouds in the sky, you’ll get by
If you through your fear and sorrow
and maybe tomorrow
You’ll see the sun come shining through for you
Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
That’s the time you must keep on trying
, what’s the use of crying?
You’ll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just
That’s the time you must keep on trying
, what’s the use of crying?
You’ll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just
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Stratergy, your info may be stale;I saw this on Thursday...
Opinion polls show that the President begins his second term in the White House with the lowest approval rating of any president since the Second World War.
Data drawn from a Gallup survey conducted for USA Today and CNN indicate that Bush junior has a popularity ranking of 51 per cent.
Concerning the war in Iraq, for which Bush claims to have received full and definitive approval thanks to the results of November 2nd, 52% of Americans now believe that the invasion was an error vs. the 47% who believe it was the right thing to do.
It is therefore a divided nation which Bush is preparing to lead.
The logic seems to be we haven't been attacked since 9/11 therefore he must be doing something right. I can't think of an effective rhetorical counter to that line. Has anyone heard one?
Republicans, I think, will always poll higher on national security for some reason. It's just a weird fact of life, even though they pretty much suck at it.
Democrats will always poll higher on education and health care. After the election of the next Democratic president or Democratic controlled Congress, we will steal two HUGE Republican issues: the economy and balanced budgets. We're halfway there already, with the excellent work Clinton did.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 1:34 am | #
I hope so, but with frank appraisal of the Administration's record, I think it is capable of fucking anything up.
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 1:35 am | #
Ahahahahhaa
Yes, shirty, it certainly is a fallacy of false causation but I thought that maybe the line should be taken about the extreme unpopularity of the Bush administration in the world; the lowest ratings ever recorded. Somehow the right has succeeded in getting the public to think that it's evenly split and that if a nation has sent troops to Iraq the people of that country must agree.
Strategery, last night's Daily Show ran a count of the number of times Bush mentioned freedom and liberty in his speech (21 and 15, respectively, in 20 minutes). That's all there is to the Bush Mandate. Two words that push visceral buttons in 51% (plus or minus any cheating) of the population. Jon Stewart also said something along the lines of "Bush took the oath and 48% of the population solemnly swore."
The Lizard Brain doesn't give a crap about logic, reason or anything except fear.
*Opinion polls show that the President begins his second term in the White House with the lowest approval rating of any president since the Second World War.*
Reflects the election exactly. Still, Bush has a Man-Date, and he's gonna use it.
Sorry, Nur-al-Cubicle. I meant that they think he's doing a good job with the security question, not Iraq. I think it was the only issue he had a positive rating in the LA Times poll.
Don't you have to have a dick to get a Man date?
Oh yeah. About Dennis Miller. In the rants, his most emphatic spiels are the ones against OJ Simpson, the Menendez brothers, and how his peers from Saturday Night Live and other comedy shows suck. So he's always had a vengeance and jealousy kick.
It's really not too surprising in retrospect. A fair weather liberal. It's easy to be for all of these rights and causes when you have nothing to lose.
Billy's, he has a Dick. Does that count?
ATableRasa
I know. Someone at work today quipped that Bush boasted so much about freedom, it was like he was talking about his child. Nonetheless, I can't see how the rhetoric can keep up after the Iraqi election if the insurgency continues.
*Don't you have to have a dick to get a Man date?*
*Insert witty rejoinder here*
Strategery,
I think it'll take a wiser mind than I to come up with a good attack on the security thing. The wingnut will say "but there are probably secret attacks we just don't know about." Just like Bush had secret intelligence about Bush's WMD he couldn't tell us about.
One could say, however, that al-Qaeda'ss attacks seem to be years apart. That Bush is underfunding Civil Defense (I refuse to say Homeland Security) doesn't seem to stick.
I think being a Conservative Comedian does wonders for one's career. Just think of what it did for Collen Quins!
The thing about the right is that they'll lap up Bush's "freedoms" til the cows come home and in the next breath shriek "we haven't had a single terrorist attack since 9/11, thanks to Bush".
If we haven't had a single attack, why does Bush need to keep yammering on about "freedom"?
Crisis, Inc.
One thing occurs to me. The idea that Bush has prevented further attacks always seems to be accompanied with the belief that the world and this country are just awash in al-Qaeda members, and attempts to destroy us happen daily.
I haven't seen the Power of Nightmares, but evidence to prove this is not the case might be successful.
He looked like Alfalfa, if Alfalfa was a wingnut.
It was, like, a totally bargain basement moment.
Funny. I think it was Joe Conason that chimed in with a reference to Alfalfa Switzer on Air America. Nobody could figure out who he was referring to until he repeated Alfalfa again without the Switzer surname. (Ask me agaaain, and I'll tell you the saaame!) Too much fact checking journalism on his brain, Joe surmised.
People think Bush is doing a good job with Shaolin hit squads plotting terror for Boston and Las Vegas?
Come to think of it, maybe hackers have broken into the FBI's alert system. Doesn't the FBI employ any skeptics...what kind of self-respecting intelligence agency buys into fiction like that, then issues a nationwide alert?
I hate to say it, but I think we won't see the populace rise unless there's a real disaster. If we had a huge loss at one time, like the whole mess tent instead of 10 or 20 guys, then maybe people would begin to wake up. Right now we're like the frog in pan of warm water. We just sit there while the water comes to a low boil...
1370 dead, 10,500 wounded (many maimed) on the US side, another few dozen allies dead, and 14,000 to 100,000 Iraqi dead and uncounted wounded. We may not have surpassed Saddam's 300,000 (reported) dead, but we're well on the way. And Sadddam didn't leave depleted uranium around to *keep* killing future generations... You'd think that might be a disaster, but nooooo...
if the insurgency continues.
I'm going to start mixing posts between "WHOOPEE,We're all going to die" and "JESUS WEPT". I think they cover just about everything........Yours In Peace....R.L.
*I think it'll take a wiser mind than I to come up with a good attack on the security thing. The wingnut will say "but there are probably secret attacks we just don't know about." Just like Bush had secret intelligence about Bush's WMD he couldn't tell us about.*
Hmmm, we have had a few instances in this country where special forces guys come home dead with no explanations, in peace time, so a black war may not be out of the question. Saying that though:
*One could say, however, that al-Qaeda'ss attacks seem to be years apart. That Bush is underfunding Civil Defense (I refuse to say Homeland Security) doesn't seem to stick.*
Is probably more indicative than anything, although it strikes me as strange that the Administration is forgoing a chance to spend money.
One could get paranoid as to why.
I hate to say it, but I think we won't see the populace rise unless there's a real disaster. If we had a huge loss at one time, like the whole mess tent instead of 10 or 20 guys, then maybe people would begin to wake up. Right now we're like the frog in pan of warm water. We just sit there while the water comes to a low boil...
Excellent point!!!
I agree that if there were large numbers of Americans being killed on a regular basis the tide would turn here.
There have been 1,532 coalition troop deaths, 1,372 Americans, 76 Britons, seven Bulgarians, one Dane, two Dutch, two Estonians, one Hungarian, 19 Italians, one Kazakh, one Latvian, 16 Poles, one Salvadoran, three Slovaks, 11 Spaniards, two Thai and 17 Ukrainians in the war in Iraq as of January 21, 2005. (Graphical breakdown of casualties). The list below is the names of the soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen whose families have been notified of their deaths by each country's government. At least 10,502 U.S. troops have been wounded in action, according to the Pentagon. The Pentagon does not report the number of non-hostile wounded. For a historical look at U.S. war casualties, click here. To view casualties in the war in Afghanistan, click here.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003...ces/casualties/
Who wouldn't pitch in for an Atrios talk show via Tiger's iChat?
Maybe some Friday we'll get Novak vs. 2 Cats!
By the way did anyone see the article in the the that Murdoch rag, the UK Telegraph (Torygraph as the Brits call it) where the editor says with a straightface "Although our suspicions about Iraq depended on guesswork, our knowledge that Iran is acquiring nuclear weapons is certain" Why didn't the goons tell us at the time that it was all based on "guesswork"?!! They seemed pretty certain to my eyes.
Oops!
Tiger iChat
At least I didn't get blue screened!
From the BBC:
US behemoth General Electric has posted an 18% jump in quarterly sales, and in profits, and declared itself "in great shape".
"We are benefiting from our growth initiatives and an excellent global economy," said GE's chief executive Jeff Immelt.
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Yeah, wars are good like that.
What, just because another terrorist attack would be a pretext to trash the constitution and establish Bush president for life, while martial law was declared in order to maintain the safety of all subjects of the homeland?
That's crazy.
*There have been 1,532 coalition troop deaths, 1,372 Americans, 76 Britons,...*
Were not most of the British killed by US forces?
The year is 2005 and we have a population who must to be forced into action on people dying by more people dying. Its recursive. If there ever is a great awakening, I do not want to be in their heads. And so many of them will be sitting aghast, telling themselves "If only I had known!" And I am not sure if my compassion for them in their pain will not be tinged with pure contempt.
No WKD, I think that was Canadians in Afghanistan. The Brits have worked with us before. They know enough to stay the fuck out of the way. We have only killed a few of them I think.
Were not most of the British killed by US forces?
I don't think so. I remember the US Navy shooting down a British helicopter, but that's it.
From the Beeb
'Saddam to blame'
Mr Cheney also said he miscalculated how long it would take Iraq to recover from the impact of Saddam Hussein's rule.
He blamed the brutality of the regime for what he said was the slowness of Iraqis to "take control of their own affairs" following the US invasion.
"The brutality that he [Saddam Hussein] used in 1991 to put down the revolt at the time I think just had devastating consequences in terms of the ability of the Iraqi people to recover from his rule," he said.
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Clinton must be pissed that Saddam stole his limelight.
Ditto EkCenTriK.
I feel the same way about mad cow disease.
Or the drug war.
Or well, basically anything Bush is screwing up on.
But it's good you have the faith that they one day will be sitting aghast.
WKD, I believe they were killed by Freedom Fire.
CNN is running a bit on dirty bombs. Nothing like a fear show late at night. Gawd.
Sentenza | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:06 am | #
Nur al-Cubicle | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:06 am | #
Righty. I might be thinking about the first Gulf War.
Just kidding.
The sad thing is, WKD, is that that argument will work with most people. I sometimes wonder about people who take these lies in without using any critical faculties.
""take control of their own affairs" following the US invasion.
"
That is sort of hard to do when we have leveled a town or two, left infrastructure shot to hell and cannot keep the bad guys from reaping even more havoc on infrastructure. I was reading that Baghdad was without water for much of this week again. Hard to be civilized when you can' t depend on the basics.
shirty
I still believe in us, but this has been such a foolish thing this country has done. I have no doubt that a reckoning will be coming.
Yeah, the brutality with which Saddam put down the revolt in 1991.
Revolt in 1991. Being put down brutally by Saddam.
Damn, Cheney's got me there.
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:08 am | #
They served as the prototype for predicting the reactions of the Iraqis.
"See Dick, we kill the limeys all the time and they lovr us. Rose petals and candy, I keep telling ya."
"Good work Paul, go to it."
EkCenTriK, the infrastructure was shot to hell before we invaded, due to the embargo and previous bombings. People were already dying in droves from the uranium we dumped last time, plus not getting repairs for sewage treatment and water filtration plants or hospitals and clinics. That's one of the reasons that the Iraqi armed forces rolled over -- like you said, it's hard to be civilized, and in this case that meant it was hard to have any defense...
what i want to know is if they were chasing these terrorists around boston all week, how come the terror alert level wasn't raised?
somebody splain me
I was reading that Baghdad was without water for much of this week again.
I've been reading they still lack all the necessities. And now there is a kerosine shortage...the kerosine they were using to run their own generators.
Also read on Iraqi blog that people had been leaving the country in droves and it makes me wonder why they really closed the borders. Was it to keep terrorists out or keep voters in?
Another tidbit...people were selling their voter registration cards for $400 to people coming in from Iran.
He blamed the brutality of the regime for what he said was the slowness of Iraqis to "take control of their own affairs" following the US invasion.
You've got to be fucking kidding me. Now the quagmire is the fault of the Iraqis that didn't ask for our fucking help not helping themselves fast enough? The fucking arrogance of BushCo spins my head, I swear to god. Not to mention we bombed a good portion of their civil infrastructure with our precision bombs of humanity.
Jeebus Christ on a doglsed - mabye a little planning and patience might have helped, Cheny, you Fuck !
ATablaRasa
Good point, my minds eye was seeing Fallujah when I said that. Bit late and I am slowly moving into a stupor.
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:08 am | #
Unfortunately, this seems to be the way. You can encounter the same attitude down here in particuly right wing groups that call themselves libertarians.
Everyone else calls them monkey arsed fuckwits.
Interesting, scout prime.
I understand the Iraqi motivation for money when you have no water.
Are the Iranians political operatives with the aim of a Shi'a superstate?
That's the only angle I see on it. Though why a Shi'a victory would be in doubt anyway is lost on me.
"Was it to keep terrorists out or keep voters in?"
How Soviet of them.
what i want to know is if they were chasing these terrorists around boston all week, how come the terror alert level wasn't raised?
Hmm, that's a good question that deserves a serious answer. Why do you hate liberty?
Late night. 11:13v PM, PST.
Gunshots in the 'Hood.
Tired, Bush'd out.
Let's hope, folks.
This can't go on forever.
Are the Iranians political operatives with the aim of a Shi'a superstate?
That's what I took from it too though that wasn't specified on the blog. But $400 must be Alot of money there.
Let's see what would I do??
User my voter registration card to vote and get killed in the process or sell it for enough money that my family could live for a couple of months??? Mmmm
No brainer.
From the Guardian, on the Boston Evil Terrorist Shaolin Ninjas of Doom, from Hell:
*But the tipster who told federal officials about the alleged conspiracy may have fabricated the story out of revenge, a federal law enforcement official said Friday. The law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the tipster may have been angry because a group of illegal immigrants had failed to pay for smuggling them into the country. *
The tip was originally given to the Californian Highway Patrol, as you would (I loved CHiPs when I was a kid, by the way, I was fascinated by cops actually carrying guns).
In fairness concerning the killing of Brits or friendly fire in general, it is amazing it doesnt happen more. I think that most people dont appreciate the incredible killing power of some of those weapons systems. Plus, they often operate at night since the systems give them a big advantage under those circumstances. Basically, if something goes wrong or confused for a very short time it is really bad. A lot of those systems were designed to take out Soviet tank formations and shit. Light armor or infantry gets in the way and they get very dead very fast. The film from the plane that hit those Canadians in Afghanistan was almost surreal. The pilot somehow got confused (dont want to judge if he should have or not, that isnt my point) and he pushed the button the their vehicles and them were burning in seconds. Just no way to stop it once the mistake was made.
In a simlar vein, watching what they showed of Falluja, seeing the firepower they unleashed and then hearing the comments that "no" noncombatants were getting killed I almost choked. An interesting, although dated read is "The Third World War" by a Brit general that was their chief of staff. Forget the politics of it, and the systems are even more deadly now. But in it he points out the the weapons really arent designed to kill people as much as areas. Make lethal zones where no one, except perhaps those in very heavy armor can survive. And those civilians in Fulluja dont have heavy armor. Neither did those poor Canadians.
EkCenTriK, I hear ya. Time to pack it in for me. I just get so damned mad every time I hear one of those shits say that they were working on what they thought was good intelligence. They knew damned good and well how beat to shit the country was. The UN told them that the intelligence was not just iffy but plain wrong. Hell, I knew absolutely they were lying when Rumsfeld made that North, East, South and West statement. That was such an obvious lie that I knew right then and there they knew they were taking us to war on a pretext and they were only hoping that they'd find enough leftovers to say "see, there was a program!"
So. No infrastructure, sick and dying populace, demoralized troops, no WMD's. No connection to the terrorists that took down the WTC, either. Oh, yeah. And we supported Saddam earlier and we abandoned the southern uprising after the Gulf War. What a reason to plan for flowers and waving natives....
Good night, all.
We are the saddest species
Sorry, forgot to mention that this is one scenario being investigated by the Federalis as to the origin of the tip.
The other is that White Eyebrows survived and is blaming American society as a whole for Darryl Hannah. This theory was advanced by the Office of Special Plans.
Rose petals, anyone?
Sentenza | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:26 am | #
Yeah, it's fucking insane. Anyone know what the Navy gives it's pilots to keep them awake for 12 hour night-time missions?
Sentenza
I agree. When I put myself in the shoes of soldiers there I think I'd be jumpy and I am afraid I'd be inclined to shoot first and be safe. But it would be awful to live with the consequences. There was just a story on CNN about soldiers shooting up a car that wouldn't stop filled with a family. They killed the parents and there were 6 kids still alive in the back covered in their parents blood. They said the soldiers were very upset.
My history of Iraq is not up to snuff yet. My impression is that no there has really had an opportunity to elect a leader unless it was rigged for Saddam.
Is that correct anyone?
Is that correct anyone?
EkCenTriK
Yes
Still, it's not all bad, from the Guardian:
The case of Rodi Alvarado Pena had been in the hands of Attorney General John Ashcroft, who said two years ago he would decide her fate. On Friday, he opted neither to grant nor deny asylum to Alvarado, who came to the United States 10 years ago to escape repeated and savage beatings from her husband, a former soldier.
Following Ashcroft's order, Homeland Security spokesman Bill Strassberger said even if Alvarado ultimately is denied asylum, ``The Department of Homeland Security will not pursue her removal from the United States.''
The new domestic security agency supported asylum for Alvarado in a memorandum to Ashcroft last year. Strassberger said the department, which took over most immigration matters from the Justice Department, is drafting new rules for asylum claims from battered women.
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Actually, I'm suprised at Ashcroft over this one.
11:30 PM, PST.
Nytall.
Fuck Bush and everything hisd light-weight ass stands for.uck him and the horse he rode in on. Fuck, perhaps, the uninterested posse that follows him.
Fuck him and feed him fish-heads.
May he have many causes and reasons to lose his temper on world wild teevee.
Please.
Nytall. Ibid.
Nighty night Sarah.
Regarding Joe Piscopo: In the great book about SNL by Tom Shales, one of Piscopo's former castmates (can't remember who) says "Eddie Murphy's success went right to Piscopo's head".
dave
Think I'm off myself. LAter all.
Actually, ElCenTrick, there was a free paralimentaryb election in Iraq in 1952 while the Hashimite king was still a minor and the prime minister who got elected out of that had what the US considered to be "socialist" leanings, hence the CIA was sicced on him to destablize Iraq and in the event, the King was overthrown and the first in a series of generals took poweer, eventually leading to Gen. Hussein taking over.
The reason I asked was the mention of people selling the registration cards.
It reminded of a somewhat gross event a friend of mine told me about. He is a foster parent. He and his wife take in infants to elementary age kids. They specialize by taking children of very tragic circumstances. Over the years I have watched him succeed or experience heartbreak. How they do it, I do not know. But he had two sisters whose mother was a dealer and an addict. The children had never lived in a house with running water. (The mother took over abandoned homes until kicked out.)When the two girls came to live with them, they found that the girls had no concept of flushing. When they used the tissue, they placed it in the trash can. They did the best they could lacking basic knowledge of what was available to them. It took a while to get them comfortable with the flushing concept. A side story by the way was the K-mart visits, my friend part-timed there. Everytime the bluelight would go off, the girls ran and hid. Seems that meant the cops were coming to them.
The point is a portion of the Iraqi population do not have a cultural clue on what their vote should represent. The governmen is probably telling them and the concept still is mysterious. We are dumping "free" elections on them and they have never gone through even a minor civic run. Then add in the chaos, the deaths, the religious tensions, history, rhetoric, lies and more and I bet a lot of those folks selling their slot are just simply to be rid of the confusing thing.
Man it is so time for bed. I am slurring in text again.
Oh well.
Exactly - forced democracy doesn't sound like democracy. America has no clue about other people's cultures but we assume that we're so great that everyone will embrace all our philosophies with open arms and kisses.
If you do nothing else today, go laugh out loud at this crazy fucker at More Cowbell blog:
The Assholes of Iron Chef America
You mean forcing people to vote at gunpoint isn't democratic?
I have never been this depressed in my life. Look at me, I'm a wreck.
well, good morning to all wrecks, and other assorted Atriot insomniacs...woke up in the wee hours with a wicked need to snatch a couple of books online, and make contact with a colleague in NZ (this explains the hour.) thought i'd drop by, just in case there was need for a clean-up crew here...looks fairly quiet, though, which i suppose is for the best, all things being as they are.
-L.
America has no clue about other people's cultures but we assume that we're so great that everyone will embrace all our philosophies with open arms and kisses.
Ripley
In college, I had a Spanish instructor who was actually French. He husband was Spanish. Best Spanish instructor I ever had. Anyways, one day in class a topic came up and she suggested that we Americans needed to be more aware of other people and what happens outside this country. We all looked at her, like, huh? I didn't have a clue what she was saying back then but now I certainly do.
Spanish is the language of love.
The language of passion.
(some literature...)
If Franz Kafka was the prophet of a world without memory, Gustav Husak is its creator.
After T.G. Masaryk, who is known as the liberator-president (all his monuments without exception have been demolished), after Benes, Gottwald, Zapotcky, Novotny, and Svoboda, Husak, the seventh president of my country, is known as the president of forgetting.
The Russians brought him into power in 1969.
Not since 1621 has the history of the Czech people experienced such a massacre of culture and thought.
Everybody everywhere assumes that Husak simply tracked down his political opponents. In fact, however, the struggle with the political opposition was merely an excuse, a welcome opportunity the Russians took to use their intermediary for something much more substantial.
I find it highly significant in this connection that Husak dismissed some hundred and forty-five Czech historians from universities and research institutes. (Rumor has it that for each of them--secretly, as in a fairy tale--a new monument to Lenin sprang up.)
(continued...)
ach--Haloscan strikes again! where in my carefully typed Milan?
-L.
OT:
Dear boss,
This is a great blog, but please stop ruining it with pictures of your flea-bag cat. Cats are ugly, disloyal and would eat you in a SECOND if they could.
Signed,
A Dog Lover
aha! i see how it is playing with me now...to continue:
One of those historians, my all but blind friend Milan Hubl, came to visit me one day in 1971 in my tiny apartment on Bartolomejska Street. We looked out the window at the spires of the Castle and were sad.
"The first step in liquidating a people," said Hubl, "is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history. Then have somebody write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history. Before long the nation will begin to forget what it is and what it was. The world around it will forget even faster."
"What about language?"
"Why would anyone bother to take it from us? It will soon be a matter of folklore and die a natural death."
Was that hyperbole dictated by utter despair?
Or is it true that a nation cannot cross a desert of organized forgetting?
None of us knows what will be.
One thing, however, is certain: in moments of clairvoyance the Czech nation can glimpse its own death at close range. Not as an accomplished fact, not as the inevitable future, but as a perfectly concrete possibility. Its death is at its side.
--Milan Kundera's "Book of Laughter and Forgetting" 1978
(-L.)
asi es la vida.
-L.
Are neocons stupid enough to think that Newscorp, Disney, General Electric, Viacom, and AOL are really going to let progressives rule the airwaves roost? If I hear one more Dennis from "Head Of The Class" physiqued neocon like Jonah Goldberg scream liberal bias I will scream myself. I want to give Ann Coulter a donkey punch
jr, I imagine the neocons will be hollering "liberal bias" about the media right up until the day they open the doors to the Ministry of Communication.
Of course there's liberal bias IF THEY'RE NOT READING THE SCRIPT
This country does not need journalists of any stripe saying things off the top of their head.
Interesting point - does anyone think Fox News (snicker) might be on a 15 minute delay? Let's start that rumor... I'll go first.
Did you know that Fox News (snicker) runs on a 15 minute delay so they can clear their news (snicker) reports with the Crisis Factory..err.. White House first?
15 minute delay? What'choo talkin' 'bout, Willis?
They get their "news" straight from the source, there's no need for a delay to clear the story. The story is given to them, straight from God's Chosen Ones to their lips.
Morning all,
Almost time for CSPAN. I have a new game. How long before a caller announces that that 9/11 changed everything or it's all Clinton's fault. Usually happens within the first five minutes.
To prepare for the coming storm, I bought extra cat food last night. Why can't the storm be tomorrow so that maybe we get a snow day on Monday? Humph!
Oops, I did too good of a job with my fake html tags on that last one... Haloscan thought they were real.
That should read... straight from [sarcasm]God's Chosen Ones[/sarcasm] to their...
It's a different world, QLady. Like I say - to the right, Clinton was in office until 9/11 and Bush took over at noon.
I'll bet some yahoo will say we need to invade Iran NOW, too....
If it wouldn't have me drinking from morning to night I could make a drinking game out of the "9/11 changed everything" meme... Everytime some yahoo is on the radio or TV making excuses for Chimpy's performance, they trot that line out.
Proclaimed by Russert, Larry King and Imus on the shriveled up whore man show friday; "America is now a completely Red Country with all 50 states being tinted Red. Only the Pinko Liberal Metro areas are blue"Take that,you commie pinko Dems.
Quiltlady -
Yes, the weather is usually inconsiderate that way... makes you put up with slushy streets and cold and other assorted nastiness for the weekend, then it's bright and clear Monday morning, just in time for you to go sit in your cube far away from any windows. :P
I prefer to think of it as all the states are tinted blue, so there is still hope for the country to pull its head out of its collective ass.
Jonathan Schell thinks about torture.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/
index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=2136
His passage contrasting the practices of the US government and the courtly, mincing corrento of the Judiciary Committee is well worth reading.
“…instructions given performers include a warning not to look directly at Bush while passing the presidential reviewing stand, not to look to either side and not to make any sudden movements.” – Scripps Howard News Service report on Bush inaugural activities.
It is clear that George W. Bush is suffering from a terrible pathology, a sick paranoia. It has been pointed out by people who have known him and should have been noticed by anyone paying even a tiny bit of attention. What is less clear is that the whole nation is quickly catching up with his level of insanity.
http://www.blackcommentator.com/122/
122_fr_crazy_president.html
Not only does the emporer have no clothes, no one else does either.
Last night it was predicted a foot of snow with drifts up to two feet. This morning they are calling for 15 inches with drifts of up to 3 feet. This is gonna get bigger.
And I have to go out and get a new coffee maker.
And I have to go out and get a new coffee maker.
QuiltLady in NY
Yikes, it's coming here. I'd better grind some coffee so I don't have to chew the beans. Thanks for the heads up.
Our power always goes out.
For some reason, I have been feeling more optimistic lately. After the election I was in a bad funk. But it seems to me that it is becoming the accepted wisdom, for all but the wingnuts, that chimpy is a doofus and
break
Whooohooooo
the very first call to CSPAN - Europe needs to get over it because 9/11 changed everything!
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is headed for a crash. Even some of the diehards at work with whom I had gotten into screaming matches have backed off. One even told me he never really supported Bush.
Democrat Senator Joe Biden to Europe: "Get over it Europe, Bush is our president."
Can you fucking believe that?
Big news. Chertoff, Bush's nominee for chief of Homeland Security may have too many ties to the dirt bags that financed the Sept-11 attacks!!!!!
That;s probably why Bush nominated him. Let's hope this makes it into the SCLM. If my html doesn't work its the link is in the homepage URL
link
Time to turn off CSPAN and switch to Mike Malloy which is archived here. I got turned on to him over at Bartcop. IMHO he is the best AAR has to offer. Unfortunately, I can't stay up late enough to hear him live.
It's time to leave the Democratic Party. I'm voting independent from now on.
There were quit a lot of democrats calling in this morning and boy were they fired up. Got me fired up, too. Like I want to punch a wing nut.
Quiltlady,
Storms are a time to examine ourselves. I know it is a massive inconvenienc in the city, but it is also a wonder. It just gives us a chance to remember that whatever we may do, we are still at the mercy of the elements.
Have a safe haven from the storm, it is always a lovely time for reflection.
BTW - we are in the process of receiving our second dose of 12+ inches here this week. I plan on reflecting and enjoying the enforced solitude.
Biden actually said that????? I guess it wouldnt be surprising. He has never been one that when I saw the first thought that came to my mind was "courage". Courage is probably not a prerequisite for being the senior senator from Dupont.
You guys are lucky for the snow. I would love that here. We just get ice storms and black ice on the roads when you go careening off into the ditch where you're stuck.
Biden actually said that?????
Yeah he did and democrats calling into CSPAN Morning Edition this morning were hot about it.
Democrat Senator Joe Biden to Europe: "Get over it Europe, Bush is our president."
Should have just said, "He may be an asshole, but he's our asshole." Something to be proud of.
Biden managed to insult all democrats and Europe.
What I love best about a storm like this is that it is able bring this mighty metropolis to a complete halt.
the new night of the long knives is upon us.
listen to what smirk in chief says versus what he does.
I think we have an in if we keep asking the same questions:
Where is the money for African AIDS?
Where is the money for no child left behind?
Who are you going to bomb next, georgie?
the sheeple are getting a large-dose of good-germans medicine in his and his spindoctors talk - let's see how it plays out - go ahead bush - it's your stage, let's see the dog and pony in action!
See Brooks this morning - he's like a teenage girl with her first crush - it is soo pathetic that I want to shake that man!
QuiltLady in NY, you need to stock up on snackables maybe rent Dr. Strangelove. Gah I love that movie.
Quiltlady,
I know. It is simply a wonder. Here in the hinterlands, it is really just a minor inconvenience. We just push it out of the way and go on about our business. In the cities, like NYC and Chicago (who are also trying to deal with this nasty storm) there simply is no place to push the stuff to . . .
On the other hand, a good covering of snow turns the world wedding-cake-frosting white and that is a nice thing. It covers the sins of our living with great delicacy.
(Hope you find a coffee maker - necessary for good storm enjoyment)
As Brooks says:
"I hope you heard the president talk about freedom as "the permanent hope of mankind, the hunger in dark places, the longing of the soul," and also saw the drunken, loud and privileged twentysomethings carrying each other piggyback down K Street after midnight.
"What you saw in Washington that day is what you see in America so often - this weird intermingling of high ideals with gross materialism, the lofty and the vulgar cheek to cheek."
It's also the same shit you'd see at the local trailer park on any weekend. But then, this was the White Track Inauguration, so it's fitting.
The tone of this is just unbelievable. Goo, what a fuckin' tool.
A wing nut woman calling into CSPAN just said that jobs were being sent overseas because we don't want to do those jobs, sort of like picking produce that Mexican migrants do and that we're too smart than most realize. Sort of reminds me last night a discourse I had with a wing nut woman who compared what she went through as a kid afflicted with buckteeth to what I went through being gay.
incog - when my daughter came out an enormous lightbulb went off (ignore the cliche). It was a real moment of "duh" for me. Her entire high school life flashed before me and all of a sudden made sense. When she was about 14 we were having a battle royale over some silly thing she had done and I asked "Why do you things like that." She got the most unhappy look on her face and replied "I don't know." At that point I backed off and made my husband back off as well. I realized that just making her more unhappy was not going to solve any problems. We started a campaign of trying to make her realize what a wonderful person she was and that we loved her. We let her drop out of high school and go away to a progressive college a year early. Smartest thing we could have done as parents. We are now very close and she has gained some of the self confidence and assurance every person is entitled to.
Kristoff Speaks!
A year after I freed Srey Mom from sex slavery in Cambodia, stigma and low self-esteem had forced her back into prostitution.
It appears the Great White Father is disappointed.
What a moran.
.
Unfortunately, I can't stay up late enough to hear him live.
QuiltLady in NY
Mad Kane has started a Boxer for President site -- to reward BB for her excellent work grilling condiliar.
Biden is an idiot -and now he is the media's token dem to parade around --
he can always be counted on for some dumb remark that ends up supporting the liar in chief.
I guesss he would like a show/site called Everybody loves Joe --well not me not ever what a smarmy ass-h--e
for some reason, my remark to QuiltLAdy got truncated...
what i said was that the local AAR affiliate (on ClearChannel here in my little bourgeois town) runs Malloy delayed at 2 am, veven though his show actually streams at 7 pm. I think they think he's too inflammatory for this market, even though he usta be on in sana fe (3-4yrs ago) when the AFL/CIO had a little network going...
I think this is great that Media Matters is doing this -- and they should continue to do this.
It reminds me a bit of a similar issue in the mental health field. For example, in the past, when one would say 'client x is depressed' -- what did that mean? There was really no way to operationalize it -- one clinician's definition did not necessarily jibe with another. It still is difficult to measure a construct like depression (soft science and all) but we have come a long way.
Same thing with "liberal media" that is bandied about so freely by the cons. It is really tough to continue this argument when you have actual numbers disputing this charge.
Media Matters would be wise to continue with this -- even on a daily/weekly basis.
Repetition, repetition, repetition...
dan schorr is a gutless, feckless, worthless, senile, old fuck...
i shall say it again:
dan schorr is a gutless, feckless, worthless, senile, old fuck...
Repetition, repetition, repetition...
Good Idea
That's for rats.
That's for dumb rats or dumb wing nuts.
That's for rats.
I think there is a difference.
Repetition, repetition, repetition of lies is for rats
Repetition, repetition, repetition of the truth is for dems.
And given the attention span of most Americans -- repetition seems to be one of the only methods that works.
To those who call for abandoning the Democratic party I say nay.
Instead what we need is progressives to provide the backbone of a new Democratic party that fights against the neo-fascist Goopers and the Depraved Moron in the WH.
After Goldwater got creamed in the 1964 election by LBJ the staunch (fanatical?) rightwingers didn't throw in the towel and abandon the Gooper party. They took it over and got the witless and feckless Reaganoid to espouse their beliefs and get elected and slash taxes on the rich, make war on pitiful little countries for flirting with socialism and appointing scumheads to the USSC to interdict abortion.
We need to learn from the rightwingers that it will take commitment, money and the takeover of the Democratic party by true progressives if this country is to be saved from returning to the 19th century.
"Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies; the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad; a jealous care of the right of election by the people..."
An excerpt from Thomas Jefferson's First Inaugural...read about it here. John Nichols rocks...
And given the attention span of most Americans -- repetition seems to be one of the only methods that works.
Good Idea
It that's the case, who cares? Waddling fat ass 'Murkans get what they deserve. I look forward to their fat vaporized and shadowed on a wall from a nuclear blast.
That's for dumb rats or dumb wing nuts.
I've got to take issue with this.
It's just a fact of psychology that people are more likely to believe something if they hear it more often- so are we going to let the wingnuts beat us simply because they're willing to repeat their message more than we are?
You have to explain things to people in a way that they can understand it.
In mid-waddle.
Bushboy and the evil Goopers are now "modifying" his draconian Social Security reform so that the benefits of the poor are least effected by his "privatization scam," while the middleclass pays for most of it with their reduced SS benefits.
The Cato Institute endorses this "new" approach by Bushboy, which is like saying that a group of weasels and bloodsuckers approve of screwing the poor and middleclass for the benefit of the rich.
Cato, AEI, Heritage, et. al. are all fascist front organizations dedicated to the aggrandizement of wealth and power for the few at the expense of the rest of us.
Dang, I can't believe there are people commenting here at this hour on a saturday. This is like discovering that your house has mice...
I oddly woke up at exactly 9:00 today- the first time I haven't woken up late in a very long time. I think I'm going to try to quit smoking today.
Well, unless you haven't seen this, please check it out:
regarding IOKIYSCUM-
I'm going to create an online database of all the wack, crazy scandals prominent conservatives have been involved in that SCLM would never let liberals get away with.
It'll be a great place to direct your conservative and moderate friends and family to, to give them a dose of reality.
I need help though- I just created a thumb-nail sketch sort of list on my site- but I need people to remind me of scandals I've forgotten or never heard of, and if you can give me links to substantiate them, that will save me time, too.
So, please check out my site and leave something in the comments on the post, and please pass it around, let people know what I'm doing and the help I need. Maybe I'll try to get IOKIYSCUM domain name
Weather Update from the shores of Lake Erie...
This thing is a badass MF! I went out and swept the walk so the pups could go outside and TCB an hour ago.
I just went back out and swept again and we easily got 2 inches since then.
I'm gonna go smoke some pot and clean the basement, no reason to step outside for the duration on this badboy.
I'll also be noodling on my outgoing cabinet members creche for the front yard as well today, so suggestions are welcome.
Get ready east coasters...it's headed your way.
It's just a fact of psychology that people are more likely to believe something if they hear it more often- so are we going to let the wingnuts beat us simply because they're willing to repeat their message more than we are?
If people want to be brainwashed, go for it.
It that's the case, who cares?
Dude, you have to pep yourself up. I do not want you to feel bad, ok?
If people want to be brainwashed, go for it.
My you seem a bit cranky this morning.
So if you hear or read a piece of information just once -- you have retained it? No need for further discussion? No need to go back and read/hear it again, or read other accounts that validate/invalidate it.
Pretty amazing.
The Media Matters info about the dominance of rightwingnuts on their "news" shows should be a red flag to all progressives.
If we don't let our opinions be known by these cable and network TV stations, they will continue to be infested with rightwingnut commentators and continue to shut-out sane and sensible progressives.
Advertisers of these programs should be contacted and told that we expect "fair and balanced" reporting and representation on the airways they are patronizing and failure to use their influence to achieve that will result in our switch to other products.
If enough progressives contact the cable and network stations (fuggedabout FAUX NEWS) and their advertisers, we just might get to see a lot more of Franken, Alterman, Garafalo, et. al. and a lot less of Buchanan, Novak, Coulter and their fellow fascists.
it's not brainwashing people- it's defending those people from being talked into something by a con-man.
Hey, what's at stake here is the fate of theworld. You've got to find the energy to stand up for people and not forfeit them to the neocons. And you've got to take care of yourself & try not to get so down.
Dude, you have to pep yourself up. I do not want you to feel bad, ok?
Swan
I'm not advocating brainwashing fat-ass 'Murkans. I'm just saying if that's what they want, they can go for it.
Cleveland Bob,
Thanks for the heads up. We've checked the oil in the tank (1/2), stocked the shelves, and covered the windows with extra curtains, as the wind chill is supposed to be brutal. 10-14" here, maybe 18" on the hilltops, which we are. I live at Wuthering freaking Heights.
In the words of some asshole: Bring it on!
You can't save people from themselves. That's what I've learned.
You're advocating brainwashing fat-ass 'Murkans.
I can be flip, because I'll be fine come what may. No kids or family and the prime of life. Gets down to it, I can take what I want.
Upset dude, I wish you would go out to a park or a mall today & just hang out. I'm sure pretty shortly you'd see people, that's you'd just sense they were good people. Then you'll be reminded of how things are and how this world is worthwhile.
It's supposed to snow pretty big here in a little bit- anyone want to take a wager that if I go out at any point today to do a fifteen-minute errand, I'll somehow get diverted and then end up on a six-to-eight-hour stuck-in-the-snow-out-somewhere
Odyssey?
Other suggestions of what you can do to feel better: read the comics in the paper or call up some friends.
Yo, dude check out www.khaaan.com
Swan, love the new idea!
Why should I care about dumb fat-ass waddling 'Murkans with their Heterosexual Hate Amendments?
Quiltlady, you and your daughter are very lucky to have one another.
It's snowing very heavily here (south of Cleveland)and my husband is flying home from Tokyo today.
I'm more worried about the drive home from the airport than I am about the flight.
Better make coffee, now, as our power often goes out in snowstorms,too.
Have a good day y'all.
Swan:
Rightwing scandals just off the top of my head:
1. Bushboy's claims that Saddam refused to accept weapon inspectors prior to the war when, in fact, they were already in Iraq inspecting (he did it twice on national TV).
2. Cheneychins claims of "reconstituted nuclear weapons program" in spite of no evidence ever being produced.
3. Clarence Thomas accepting expensive gifts from "admirers" while sitting on the USSC.
4. Scalia's infamous "hunting" trip with Cheneychins even though the Chin was about to appear as a litigant before the USSC.
5. Bushboy's "Clear Skies Initiative" which allows more pollution by coal-fired-power-plants.
6. Bushboy's "Medicare plan" which prohibits negotiation with big pharma to lower drug costs for seniors (and the threat to the Medicare actuary who said it would cost $500 billion to initiate instead of the $299 billion the Bushboy regime was hawking).
7. Bushboy's SS plan which is fraught with lies and mathematical inconsistencies (see Paul Krugman's columns on these).
8. Biggest scandal of all: The mismanagment of the Iraq war and the thousands of innocent deaths that go ignored.
Thanks, NY Mary.
I'm just saying if that's what they want, they can go for it.
That's not want they want. They're being taken advantage of. The GOP is taking advantage of common psychological weaknesses to push its selfish agenda- that's all.
I just saw on c-span, they said some undercover CIA guy was put in Gitmo and had to leave after a month because he was so badly treated by the staff; and he said that only 10% of the people held there are properly there.
You're advocating brainwashing fat-ass 'Murkans.
Well if countering oft repeated lies with oft repeated truisms is what you consider brainwashing -- so be it.
thanks Rudy. Alright all I gotta cut out for a bit so my sister can use the computer.
Drink Coke.
The fact is that Bushboy & the Goopers are controlled by the plutocrats of America who also own the media.
America is in danger of sliding back to a time when individuals and individual rights were consistently abused (especially children).
The Gooper government won't protect you from the greedy, rapacious plutocrats!
The media won't inform you of the exploitive and menacing schemes of their plutocratic owners!
If progressives don't unite and fight back, America will turn into one big worldwide warmonger and domestic forced labor camp and toxic waste dump.
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose," Janis Joplin.
That's the "freedom" Bushboy was blowharding about on inauguration day.
Well if countering oft repeated lies with oft repeated truisms is what you consider brainwashing -- so be it.
Good Idea
I think that if Americans are so dumb and vacuous they need a louder echo-chamber with the truth for their own well-being, I'm sorry, they deserve their fate and this country is going down now. And I have no intention of fighting for it anymore.
The ultimate blame lies with the American people.
I still hold out a sliver of hope for them believing that it was stolen but the election shouldn't have even been close. And I can not get away from that "truism."
Drink Coke.
I'm sorry, they deserve their fate and this country is going down now.
A part of me agrees with this -- and would like nothing better for them to reap what they have sowed, so to speak.
The other part of me looks at my two sons -- ages, 18 and 21 -- and shudders at what the future may hold for them (i.e., cannon fodder).
So I guess I have a little more at stake than you.
"The ultimate blame lies with the American people."
I agree that the American people have been downright stupid to be stampeded by the fear and propaganda of the Bushboy/Gooper lie machine.
But that doesn't mean we should sit on our hands and take pleasure in the pain the American people have self-inflicted.
Because in the end, it will be worse for all of us, and taking vicarious pleasure in the inanity of the 51% who voted for the Depraved Moron will be little satisfaction when your economy is nose-diving because of Bushboy's fiscal stupidities, or terrorism comes to American cities because of his arrogant disregard for human life, or your environment makes it no longer to breath air, drink water or eat food grown in the soil.
The American people must be shown the error of their ways or we will all go down with Bushboy's "Titanic."
Rudy, not denying that those are scandals but they dont walk. Getting that crazy bitch that cut the baby out of that poor woman and then went to Long John Silvers to call her husband and tell him she just had a baby do a commercial for The Leader's social security plan would work.
Sentenza,
Check Swan's blog first. Fly or not fly isn't the point.
dan schorr is a gutless, feckless, worthless, senile, old fuck...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono
If you drop the senile it's exactly what I thought. .87 Stossels this morning.
The media in America today is a farce and a fraud. It doesn't tell the truth and often distorts the truth to please the powers that control them.
There is a progressive media, although they don't have the wide audience that our cowardly and biased mass media does.
To name a few of the progressive media organs that deserve your support:
The American Prospect Magazine
The Nation Magazine
Mother Jones Magazine
The Progressive Newsletter
Democracy.now TV operation.
Air America radio network.
Honorable columnists: Krugman, Herbert, Ivins, Scheer, Kuttner, Rich, and many others.
America needs to correct it's "attention deficit disorder" and start focusing on the self interest of themselves and their kids or they will find that the greedheads have ruined their lives as well as the lives of their children.
Rudy, Buzzflash.com needs support. It's listed to the left on this site.
Sentenza:
I'm for anything that works to dis-empower (disembowel?) the neo-fascist Goopers.
And while sex and murder scandals are obviously the "primo" subject matter for our vacuous mass media, I believe that if enough people begin haranguing them about the folly of Bushboy's SS scam or the absurdity of his "Presicription benefit drug" scheme or the horrific disaster that Iraq has become because of Bushboy's incompetence and neglect, they might begin to pay these deadly and costly scandals the attention they deserve.
EPT:
I agree. I love buzzflash and Media Matters.
ΤΏΤ,
A red state tale for you. Heard the local parish' peace & justice group met and one of the members was trying to get them all to work for that hateful amendment. This being a very conservative part of the country many of the group's members are quite Republican. However, not one of them was interested in promoting the amendment. Said it even prohibited civil unions and why would we do that? Said if partner has power of attorney, it can be taken away by the family through the court.
I know the uglies promoting hatred get the microphone but really, there's a lot of goodhearted people still. My .02
From today's SFCHRON story on the DNC fight a little Nadir tidbit
what a bitter little man he has become --and now he is just a liar.
But the Democrats' mission could be made tougher by former Green Party and independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, who is among those pressuring the party to pump up their message and the anti-war activities.
The author and consumer advocate, who battered Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry during the 2004 campaign for not being tough enough against the Iraq war, is in California this coming week launching an "anti-war tour" to fire up liberal voters in the nation's most populous state.
"We have to help galvanize the anti-war movement, which took a year off in deference to Kerry during the campaign,'' Nader said Friday in a telephone interview. He said it's too soon for him to consider another presidential run, but "there's a huge backlog of activity that needs to be revved up.''
More from Ralph
He said he'll challenge Democrats and their "decayed" party to "appeal to ordinary, regular Americans who don't want their country bogged down in a deadly quagmire in Iraq.''
Nader also needs to raise money to pay off his past campaign debts -- which he said are due to the Democratic Party's legal efforts to derail his campaign.
Nader also needs to raise money to pay off his past campaign debts -- which he said are due to the Democratic Party's legal efforts to derail his campaign.
Good. The fuck.
Didn't Nader get enough from repugs.
The shit.
did we all see this?
the world is ending for sure....
Bush, Blair nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
Two of the architects of the Iraq war, United States President George W Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, are among nominees for the 2004 Nobel Peace Prize.
Nominated by whom?
And I cannot find this story anywhere do you have cite
Bush and Blair were nominated early in 2004. The 2004 Nobel prize for peace was awarded to Wangari Maathai.
It's snowing like a mofo here in Chicagoland. Good morning freethinkers and Hello, coffee !
MM studied the TV guide to find out that the GOP won the election.
Ya'll could have skipped paying that one staffer (intensely flipping pages) and just asked me. I told you what would happen back in August.
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