I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist?
Oh yeah, uh-huh! Oh yeah, uh-huh! (gets out of chair - struts around room)
woowoo!
SpongeDob Stickypants obviously Does Not Have Enough To Do.
Jezis 4 sale.
Another shitty product brought to you by the moralistic, family-friendly, corporate dominators.
Go forth and spread the word, meat machines!
Spooge Dob Jizzy Pants
Great horny toads.
Saw the video on Keith Olberman show. Nothing to the claim unless you think it indicates that a dinosaur and a big yellow bird are trying to claim that they are a family unit. I have no trouble with it, but you never know what SpongeDob Stickpants will think.
And let's not overlook the great HORNED owl. It simply dizzzzz-gusts me. Something. Anything must be done.
Horny toads, horned owls. And the oversexed bonobos in the San Diego Zoo!!!!!
They engage in sex ALL. DAY. LONG. And when they do (which they do all the time, I know, I've watched) it's male on female, female on female, male on male! Don't they know the Lord is against this?????
All this S.E.X. in Nature makes me very, very nervous! It's GOT to be controlled. Or stopped. Or something!!!!
Sorry for OT, Atrios- last time I'm gonna post this, but just wanted to hit up the daytime crew:
regarding IOKIYSCUM-
I'm going to create an online database of all the wack, crazy scandals prominent conservatives have been involved in that SCLM would never let liberals get away with.
It'll be a great place to direct your conservative and moderate friends and family to, to give them a dose of reality.
I need help though- I just created a thumb-nail sketch sort of list on my site- but I need people to remind me of scandals I've forgotten or never heard of, and if you can give me links to substantiate them, that will save me time, too.
So, please check out my site and leave something in the comments on the post, and please pass it around, let people know what I'm doing and the help I need. Maybe I'll try to get IOKIYSCUM domain name
This stuff is as funny as the time I heard Mel Gabbler (think that was his name, Tena please correct,) pointing out the abstract subliminal picture of copulating gazelles on a math textbook.
If you go looking for sex in all the wrong places, and you are OC about it, you'll find it.
I think Dr. Dobson pulled a real boner with this one!
I am OUTRAGED! Somebody hand me the Kleenex.
Dr. Dobson is a real boner...oh, no wait, he isn't even worthy of being called a limp dick.
Dobson
With that name I can imagine the masturbation jokes he heard as a child.
Swan - I'm going to create an online database of all the wack, crazy scandals prominent conservatives have been involved in that SCLM would never let liberals get away with.
Good for you! I'm so glad, Swan. I'm looking forward to your site.
Happy Saturday.
As for that picture, I am more interested in the green character wearing the Hawaiian shirt, because as Homer Simpson said:
The only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay guys and big fat party animals.
Ba'al is displeased.
Dr. Dobson said nothing about the epidemic of Ba'al worship currently sweeping the nation, and promoted by pagan images such as Elsie the cow on milk cartons, Gateway computers, and Chick-filet, to name just a few graven images.
Ba'al is a sensitive deity and feels neglected.
Ba'al is angry and demands to be propitiate by burnt offerings.
Such a pleasing aroma!
More words from Homer that are appropriate here:
"Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else - and it hasn't - it's that girls should stick to girls' sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such."
Plus, 'boisterous' is spelled incorrectly.
"With that name I can imagine the masturbation jokes he heard as a child."
Such as 'what is the sound of one hand clapping'?
All right...
If I hang out here all day, which I'd love to do, I'll never get any work done. Besides, my time will be better spent chasing the illusive erect purple frog...
Isn't it interesting how myth propagators, like Dobson, try to stomp on other mythic like creatures, like there can be only one true myth?
Me, I kinda like Underdog.
they hate Kermit (except his Green)?
A dob's son is likely to be an only child.
Mommy, why am I an only child?
Because he dob's, hon.
Sorry for being so uncreative, mean kids are so much better at thinking up EVERY possible variation on names like this.
Back in the 70s. when Larry Flynt was being charged for indecency in Hamilton County Ohio he mailed most of the people in the county a little Christmas card. Complete with multiple pictures of dead US soldiers from Vietman. He said that these were the obscene pictures, not his little magazine and that people should try to keep those pictures from happening again and not worry so much about his little smut rag. Ive so admired him since then. The good folks of Hamilton County of course went totally ballistic at the undeniable truth of his statements.
Sigh, how many more elections are we going to lose because we keep ignoring the fact that the people, including the majority of Democrat voters, don't really want us to be the party of homosexuality. We are on the wrong end of this issue, and it's going to keep getting us beat.
So long as it's not an erect purple box turtle, I'm okay with it.
DNC - Sigh, how many more elections are we going to lose because we keep ignoring the fact that the people, including the majority of Democrat voters, don't really want us to be the party of homosexuality. We are on the wrong end of this issue, and it's going to keep getting us beat
Bullshit. And bullshit again. Either we stand up for our principles, and one of the main ones is full equal rights and justice for everyone in America, or we might as well become Repugs. Fuck that.
The most feared predator of Hopper's Landing, Cottonmouth is a fearsome, cunning, menacing creature who happens to be toothless. His real weapon is deception (and a powerful weapon at that), specializing in planting insidious thoughts that sound logical and even theological. Frequently disguising himself, Cottonmouth is more felt than seen— some pond folk even doubt he's real.
"Erect" in the sense of standing on two legs? Looks like a multicultural site/sawmp: "Rosita Anita Juanita Buggita Froggita ... from South of the Swamp is a very bright and colorful frog with a very bright and colorful personality." But does she have a green card? Are the swamp's open borders a threat to its security?
Bullshit. And bullshit again. Either we stand up for our principles, and one of the main ones is full equal rights and justice for everyone in America, or we might as well become Repugs. Fuck that.
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Cut the crap Tena, it's time to admit our "principles" are wrong on this one. Being a deviant or psychotic is not an "equal right" and the public instinctively understands that. Apparently, we more centrist voters are going to have to take this party back to sanity.
We are on the wrong end of this issue, and it's going to keep getting us beat.
This isn't really the place for pornographic remarks like that, is it now?
I completely disagree with you, DNC, on your comment regarding homosexuality.
Compassion is truly caring and standing up for the rights and equality of everyone ~ gay, straight, disabled, black, Latino, fetish-challenged ~ whomever, whatever.
The Democratic Party must take this stance, or the country is fucked.
Fuck that.
Tena
Fuck that is right.
If becoming an intolerant bigot is the price of "winning", I'd rather lose.
The difference between us and go-along, get-along Republicans is that they substitute professed faith in religion for true morality. I'd rather have a conscience and true morals (respect for humanity AND the rest of life on this planet) and not be "saved" than embrace their narrow definition of what constitutes moral and proper behavoir. And FWIW, I think God agrees with me, not them.
DNC-Deviants? Sorry, that's a very pre-Darwinian Aristotelean essentialist notion that there is some sort of ideal. Evolution (and biology) is driven by diversity. Celebrating diversity is not just a liberal notion, it happens to be a good biological idea.
Burn them! Burn the sinners! They're corrupting the children! (snicker, snicker)
DNC,
When the Democratic Party becomes the party of exclusion, which is what you are advocating, and not the party of inclusion, it will spell the end of the Democrats for ever.
You may think that telling homosexuals to get the fuck out of the party is a good thing, but fortunately for you, your type is a minority in the Democratic Party.
It's enough to make you beat your dachshund.
I am not going to change my position on that. I am dedicated to full rights for homosexuals in America. Anyone who doesn't like that can jump up my ass.
I will not stay in a party that repudiates Democratic ideals.
If you don't like it, "DNC", go be Republican.
We left off the o for Po. Don't forget Po!
it's enough to make you beat your dachshund.
or doodle your poodle
or schizzle your schnauzer
or trot your terrier
or dangle your dingo
DNC is a bigot. Ignore DNC.
DNC - please present your legal reasoning for not allowing gays to the exact same protections of civil law the rest of us enjoy. Please note that religious beliefs, personal discomfort, and other excuses do not apply. Make your case from a standpoint of constitutional legality.
I agree that the Democrats should stand for equal rights for all people and that is how the issue has to be phrased. But I dont think I would bring Darwin into it. Homosexuality isnt exactly a successful example of "diversity" in Darwinian terms.
Real frogs don't have that equipment.
I think Dr. Dobson pulled a real boner with this one!
diogenes
I think ol' Dobby's like to pull his buddy Fred Phelps' boner.
And rinse, and repeat..
And I bet Freddy wouldn't mind a bit.
Newborn fundies are hatched in foul bogs.
Their pea brains evil quickly befogs.
They're lumpy and slimy;
Inclined to be grimy;
Not unlike your purple-dicked frogs.
DNC (and people like him) in early 1960s.
When are we going to learn that being the party of niggers is never going to win us an election and we are on the wrong side of this issue and its going to get us beat?
Switch back to now. The Democratic party has completely last the South. The prophecy was correct. It is an endless see of Red States.
But you know what, I DON'T CARE!!
I would rather lose than be lumped among the likes of Trent Lott and Strom Thurmond.
And what Democrats now campaign for is simply BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS FOR EVERYONE. Nothing more and nothing less.
Sentenza-
Sorry, homosexuality is a part of many species' behavioral repertoires. And there are a number of viable and interesting explanations for the continuation of homosexuals in a number of species. There is a very large literature on the biology, ecology, and function of homosexuality, for example in bonobos. And finally, Darwinian evolution does not mean that there is progress to some ideal.
have no doubt about it, this country is going to end up treating homosexuals like the human beings they are. it may take a while, but it will happen.
the success of Queer Eye should make that clear.
we're *definitely* on the right side of this issue, and *especially* for the long run.
DNC is clearly not a democrat but one of those poser trolls.
The majority of Americans accept homosexuality and believe that gays have the right to marriage/civil unions. Besides, justice is not a popularity contest.
Righteous, Ba'al!
Could not agree more.
Vicki sez: DNC is a bigot. Ignore DNC.
Vicki is right.
I see that the powerful diety speaks with much conviction and wisdom. I would expect nothing less.
Erect Purple Frog would be a great band name, or a euphemism for something...
...and why do I get the feeling that DNC is not a Democrat at all? Shoo, hatemonger, or we'll bring out the butt-sex talk.
I am not going to change my position on that. I am dedicated to full rights for homosexuals in America. Anyone who doesn't like that can jump up my ass.
I will not stay in a party that repudiates Democratic ideals.
If you don't like it, "DNC", go be Republican.
Tena
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I got a better idea, why don't you get out. Thanks to that issue, and people like you who support it polluting our party....
Those tax cuts are going to become permanent...
The middle class is going to continue to be squeezed...
this retarded war is going to continue and more are going to needlessly die...
all this and more because of this party's leaders inability to see reality and let the issue go to some third party where it belongs.
So how about you take a hike and take your gay friends with you, and stop screwing up our party. I'm tired of losing on IMPORTANT issues because of a stupid one like homosexuality.
http://www.gazette.com/display.p....php?
id=1305511 Read this front page story from the Colo Springs paper about how Focus says Dobson now doesn't think SpongeBob is gay (in fact they like him!), and that the content of the video in question is fine too. Focus' only concern regarding the video is for a teaching guide booklet which they have not seen. Dobson must have found a new scripture passage "judge first what thee does not know to gain the largest headline". He should have kept reading because I think it ends something like "so followers will be able to recognize a fool".
Wuzzat smell. A Troll? I'm puttin' opn my Tamakeri boots...
I can spell stuff how I want to. I'm a God, ya know.
I got a better idea, why don't you get out. Thanks to that issue, and people like you who support it polluting our party....
Damn mudbloods, ruining wizardy for everybody.
yo, Avestus, how's it goin'?
Lime Rickey, you're a real national treasure. Your ditties are the only bright spot in an otherwise ugly, ugly, ugly future.
Ok, I got to run out to a store w/ my bro now...
DNC is clearly not a democrat but one of those poser trolls.
The majority of Americans accept homosexuality and believe that gays have the right to marriage/civil unions. Besides, justice is not a popularity contest.
NTodd
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Ummm...no, they don't. One would think the last election would have taught you something.
yo, Avestus, how's it goin'?
Nick Carraway
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Not bad, a little bored, so I figured I would chime in 
Knight Ridder analysis: We're losing the war in Iraq."
Is Dobson's maiden name Litella, by any chance?
DNC = troll
If not, get out of our party, or we'll get you out.
Reality Break,
What the election taught us, is that when Republicans play to their constituents basest prejudices and fears they can be motivated to vote.
One would think the last election would have taught you something.
You can't take lessons from a tainted election.
Note to homosexuals:
I'm on your side, 100%. I have stood and will continue to stand with you for equal rights and opportuntities.
I'm so sorry for you that there are narrow-minded, shallow, faux-pious individuals in this country who continue to lob meaningless stereotypes and words at you in an attempt to subvert you in society. It makes me really, really angry. You're not deviant ~ be proud of who you are and who you love. Because of the struggle, you know more about compassion and inequality than any of these so-called Christians can even remotedly entertain in their pea-size brains.
I could go on, but just know that there are many people like me who will openly and vocally support your right to marry and your right to equal benefits and pay. And your right to live proudly and without scorn in this country.
/rant off
When will the Democrats return to sanity and bring back slavery? It's the only way we can compete in today's global economy.
So, does horny toad taste like chicken?
Someone ask Santorum, 'K?
"I can spell stuff how I want to. I'm a God, ya know."
A reference to "endless see of red states". Clearly spelled wrong UNLESS one is considering the potential meaning that Ba'al was referring to a see of red states as in PAPAL SEE.
The subtle word play there would have been truly God like, and deserving of burnt offerings, hopefully of Christian children.
The alternative is that Ba'al has hooves rather than fingers and tends to type too fast.
I leave it to you all to guess the subtle intent of Ba'al.
What's really funny is these folks probably don't think they're changing their story because they were wrong. They undoubtedly just think they are clarifying things. It's like coming to a screeching, smoking stop on the freeway, looking behind you, and actually not seeing the blue smoke and black skidmarks.
What the election taught us, is that when Republicans play to their constituents basest prejudices and fears they can be motivated to vote.
David (Austin Tx)
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You can't take lessons from a tainted election.
BlakNo1
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Good Grief! Denial is a powerful drug indeed. It definately prevents you from learning from experience. Oh well, those that fail to learn from history.......
remotedly = remotely
I have the typo-virus today.
The Fundies are all up in arms.
Cartoons have all lost their charms.
Those critters are queers.
Confirming Fundie fears,
That kids will all come to gay harms.
I'm disappointed in Ba'al. When confronted with a mistake, he changes the rules.
He *must* be a god.
For the truly bored, go see how you stack up
Ummm...no, they don't. One would think the last election would have taught you something.
Ummm...yes, they do.
LATimes:
• Public acceptance of gays in the military grew from 51% in a 1977 Gallup Poll to 80% in 2003.
• Approval of gays as elementary school teachers grew from 27% in 1977 to 61% over the same period.
• A 1999 Gallup survey showed that 59% would vote for a well-qualified presidential candidate who was homosexual, up from 26% in 1978.
I've also seen polling that suggests when marriage/civil unions are not presented as zero-sum games, 2/3 of people select those choices as opposed to banning them. Yes, many are uncomfortable with the idea, but there is a great deal of tolerance in America, and the trends are definitely in our favor.
One would think the last election would have taught *you* something. It was not lost on any issue related to gays or gay marriage. Hint: 9/11 + the power of incumbency.
If the Dems run away from justice, they lose this Independent voter.
Well Spinoza, I must admit I am not familiar with the behavioral literature. My comment was particularly about Darwinian theory which I dont recall having much to say about social adaptions such as you are refering to. Although I read "Origin of the Species" more than 30 years ago so caveat emptor on my memory. I think most of what would be gained from studying primate behavior really couldnt be called Darwinian. Not to discount it, but I think Darwinian theory is much simpler. Darwin presented a view of evolution that is more suited to modern molecular genetics perhaps than the more complex views offered by behavior or anthropology. Nonetheless, while perhaps making an interesting academic discussion, I dont think compromising equal rights for people should be open to discussion for Democrats.
To all trolls,
Read the Washington Dispatch article linked to in the morning thread. This is what will happen to you every time you summon up the courage to venture from behind your keyboards and your blow-up dolls to fuck with real Americans. We will hurt you, badly. We will kick your ass everytime.
I like to blame the homos for the election and disregard the fact a large part of the electorate is either scared out of its wits by "terrorists" or believes we need to let Bush "straighten out" Iraq.
What Vicki said.
I'm with you, Vicki.
Frankly, if this is what caused the Democrats to lose (and I don't think it did, nor do I think we lost) then I'm prepared to continue to lose on this issue until the rest of the country catches up with us. Just like civil rights for African Americans in the 60's. Full equal rights and justice for all Americans is the bedrock of my liberalism. I will never abandon it - I would abandon the party first. I'm a Democrat because the party has stood for equal rights and justice, not the other way around.
Reality Break - how ironic that you cite a failure to learn from history.
I've read a lot of history about things such as Hitler's Germany, Stalin's USSR, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, Pinochet's Chile, and the conclusion that I've come to is this: one party control of government never produces good results for the average citizen. It works out real well for the guys at the top and their cronies, but for everyone else it pretty much sucks. Yet your prescription is for just that, whether it be by Democrats ceasing to be Democrats and adopting Republican "values", or by Democrats simply going out of business. So excuse me for not genuflecting before your received "wisdom".
So how about you take a hike and take your g--
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In other words, you trolls got your asses beat by a bunch of hippies!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
The election was tainted. You obviously don't read the news. Man manipulated machine so that "red" man could triumph over "blue" man. It's that simple, and it's fucked. We need to cast the votes by hand and count the votes by hand.
To all trolls...
Why fucking bother? These idiotic fucking closet cases just want to see a response so they can jerk off. Deny them their only pleasure. Ignore them.
NTodd - Add this to your statistics: Dallas County, Texas, elected a lesbian as county sheriff on the 2d. She is in a committed lesbian relationship and everybody knows it.
The whole "homosexuality hurt us" canard is just that. It's not true.
Sorry dave, but this is war. They have to know that if they fuck with us "for real", they will get hurt.
Ignoring the problem, on any level, has gotten us nowhere
Ba'al; you think youse got it bad with the hoofs & all, try bein' a God made all outta stone, and the only thing moves is the right side of yer mouth an' yer eyebrows!
It aint easy bein' gray. People don't unnerstand what it's like bein' a God. We don't get no respect no more, not like inna old days, eh Ba'al?
Sentenza,
Actually, a lot of complex primate behavior can be explained in Darwininan terms and the availability of DNA testing to verify paternity/maternity conforms theories that would outrage fundies. A wonderful exposition of this is a book by the evolutionary antrhoplogist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy (a primatologist) called "Mother Nature: A History of Mothers, Infants and Natural Selection". Actually, the book goes far beyond even what the title suggests. I strongly recommend it.
David E - You wouldn't happen to know anything about the author of that book, would you? I grew up with a Richard Thorpe. (it's a common name, I realize.)
Dallas County, Texas, elected a lesbian as county sheriff on the 2d. She is in a committed lesbian relationship and everybody knows it.
Oh, see, all that shows is that lesbians are butch and can be good sheriffs. But clearly the analysis shows that Democrats should drop that queer hot potato(e) and join the one and true faith of Republicanism. Only by embracing that which we hate can we become hated ourselves. And what a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind.
Do you get the feeling some German liberals were exhorting their political cronies to just give a little on the Jews-admit that they're not quite fully human and not entitled to civil rights enjoyed by others?
No, and again I say no!
It would be poetic justice if one of those "protest warriors" was Iron Fist. 
Tony Norman has little PG column First They Came For Tinky Winky that captures some of the flava of those illicit cartoon liasons.
So how about you take a hike and take your gay friends with you, and stop screwing up our party. I'm tired of losing on IMPORTANT issues because of a stupid one like homosexuality.
DNC
What could be more fucking important than civil rights/equality for all Americans? What? That comes before all other issues. We lost the south because we stood for the morality of equal rights. We'll never NEVER cede this issue for the purpose of winning elections.
America has to change. Not us.
Illinois enacts Gay Rights bill. (Link to ChiTrib article in homepage)
Actually, and this is the first time I've ever seen anything from Wolcott that could (I believe) be improved upon, I think SpoogeDob Stickypants would have been a better moniker.
Is the purpose of parties to win elections or to stand for something?
I was watching The Presidents on the History Channel. When talking about Lincoln, the show observed that he refused to consider repealing the Emancipation Proclamation, even though it was unpopular and looked like it would cost him the election. In the end, sticking to his principles did not harm his electoral chances.
"I'm disappointed in Ba'al. When confronted with a mistake, he changes the rules."
Nick, you are right about that one. You are certainly justified in your dissapointment.
But understand, it is a classic move out of "the God's Playbook", sort of like a draw play in football. There are endless variations.
YHWH is especially good at it. The whole flood thing for example, and then he felt bad and changed his mind again, and on and on.
At a point in Leviticus he had all these rules but now if you sell your neighbor into slavery it's supposed to be a bad thing. (I guess unless you are a Republican).
Spinoza, that reminded me of an experience a human geneticist friend of mine relayed to me. He was doing a study in the heart of redland, Tennessee or someplace like that. They got the genotypes and said, this cant be right. Uncles were the fathers of their neices children. Mothers with the fathers of a child not being their husband but an older son. He yelled at the people in the lab and told them they fucked up the sample IDs. They slogged down to wherever and drew more blood. Same damn thing. Exactly. He contacted the family and said sorry, he wasnt going to be able to do the study afterall. He said there was no way he was going to explain this shit to them. Im sure every one of them voted for The Leader because he shares their values.
SpongeDob Spooge Pants
David E
I'm gonna try to find that film right away
Not a book, Tena. It's an MGM spectcular with Lana Turner as a High Priestess luring Edmund Purdom to his doom.
Frank O'Hara (ever on the look-out for High Camp) adored it.
Kids absolutely LOVE descriptive phrases like "unwitting agent".
Look out Disney!
Besides, justice is not a popularity contest.
Thought this bears repeating.
It would be poetic justice if one of those "protest warriors" was Iron Fist.
BlakNo1
Iron Fist is all talk. Believe me. As I mentioned earlier, some of us at LGF are quietly circulating a petition to get him banned. He makes us all look like fools.
Ignoring the problem, on any level, has gotten us nowhere...
You don't ignore the problem - you ignore the scared little boys that post here.
If you happen to run into them in person, you can kick their ass, though...
Sentenza,
A study in a large northern England city indicated that something like 15% of the kids tested were not in fact the children of the assumed married father.
I am not surprised about Tennessee being really bizarre. Dobson is his own grandpa.
The size of human testicles relative to our body weight suggests a long history of moderate promiscuity -- unlike gorillas who have harems, and conversely, unlike bonobos who are completely free-for all.
"Humans Cavorted With Dinosaurs" by SpongeDob Stickypants.
Eve was poked in the rear by a Rex.
It was her introduction to sex.
"My poor asshole," Eve moaned.
"I don't like to be boned.
See, it's the big things that God neglects."
Cut the crap Tena, it's time to admit our "principles" are wrong on this one. Being a deviant or psychotic is not an "equal right" and the public instinctively understands that. Apparently, we more centrist voters are going to have to take this party back to sanity.
DNC
Hey RNC, if you're going to troll effectively, you might want to refrain from likening gays and lesbians to "deviants" or "psychotics" - kinda blows your cover.
Dumbass.
Lana Turner was a high-priestess to Ba'al in real life.
You shall all worship Ba'al.
I love the pleasing aromas.
dave, as satisfying as it may be, I'd rather not kick anybody's ass. I'm a "live and let live" kinda guy.
But, they have to know...
I'm My Own Grandpa
( Lonzo & Oscar )
It sounds funny, I know,
But it really is so,
Oh, I'm my own grandpa.
I'm my own grandpa.
I'm my own grandpa.
It sounds funny, I know,
But it really is so,
Oh, I'm my own grandpa.
Now many, many years ago, when I was twenty-three,
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her, and soon they, too, were wed.
This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life,
My daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife.
To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy,
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.
My little baby then became a brother-in-law to Dad,
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad.
For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother
Of the widow's grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my stepmother.
Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run,
And he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son.
My wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue,
Because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.
Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild,
And everytime I think of it, it nearly drives me wild,
For now I have become the strangest case you ever saw
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!
I'm my own grandpa.
I'm my own grandpa.
It sounds funny, I know, but it really is so,
Oh, I'm my own grandpa.
Ba'al, I just thought a pagan god might have a higher standard than Bush's god. How many mulligans is that man going to get?
Meanwhile, maybe there's a reason the FBI is so reluctant to update their computer systems:
Public access to FBI records could be diminished if the bureau wins a court fight to limit the extent of searches required for documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act, a principal law to ensure openness in government.
In court, the FBI is defending a recent automated search that missed some documents released years earlier in a separate FOIA case.
Representing the FBI, the Justice Department asked a federal judge this month to dismiss the lawsuit and said its request should not be undermined "by an unsuccessful search for a document as long as the search was adequate."
Justice Department guidelines say the law requires a search "reasonably calculated to uncover all relevant documents."
Legal and academic critics say the search in this case didn't meet that standard. They said they suspect the transfer of records from paper to electronic files has become an excuse for doing cursory searches that the government knows won't retrieve all relevant documents.
"We all thought that digitization of government documents and electronic FOIA would mean greater public access, but time and again we've seen government agencies use it as an excuse for obfuscation," said Jane Kirtley, a University of Minnesota journalism professor who has waged many FOIA battles. "They say, `We don't have the software set up to find what you're looking for.'"
The lawsuit in question was filed by a lawyer in Salt Lake City, Jesse Trentadue, who is pursuing a theory his brother Kenneth was murdered in a federal prison isolation cell in Oklahoma City on Aug. 21, 1995... Last summer, Trentadue requested:
* A Jan. 4, 1996, message from FBI Director Louis Freeh's office to the Oklahoma City and Omaha, Neb., offices that discussed the 1995 Oklahoma City federal building bombers (the FBI's OKBOMB case) and a Midwest gang of bank robbers (the FBI's BOMBROB case). He enclosed a newspaper story with excerpts from the message.
* The FBI's record of an interview that Trentadue says he gave an agent and two Justice Department officials on Aug. 12, 1996, which discussed the lawyer's dead brother and the bank robbery gang, including one member who resembled Kenneth.
* All documents about any connection between the Southern Poverty Law Center and eight named individuals from the OKBOMB and BOMBROB investigations or a white supremacist compound in Elohim City, Okla.
The FBI told Trentadue Nov. 18 it found no documents matching his requests...
Given the details Trentadue provided, Rebecca Daugherty, director of the FOI Service Center at the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, said the government's response "doesn't sound reasonable."
The FBI should not "ignore the map given by the requester," Daugherty
cont...
...The FBI should not "ignore the map given by the requester," Daugherty said. "If a requester can accurately describe a case so the agency can easily find the file, then it's reasonable to search that case file."
Citing the litigation, FBI Assistant Director Cassandra Chandler declined to say how much detail requesters must supply to extend a search beyond FBI indices to case files.
Hardy said the FBI used the search term "OKBOMB" for the January 1996 message, "Trentadue, Jesse" for the interview report and "Southern Poverty Law Center" for the broad request.
Chandler would not say how the "OKBOMB" search could have failed to produce the January message from Freeh, in which the first listed subject was "OKBOMB." Trentadue also supplied the correct date, sender, two accurate recipients and direct quotes.
Ba'al, Im not surprised about a 15% nonpaternity but I think it is a bit less in most studies in this country. I seem to remember 5%-10%. This guy was used to that. But he said when he tried to do the standard drawing of inheritance in the family it looked like some sort of wiring diagram rather than a typical study.
Ba'al | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 12:38 pm
Guess I wasn't the only one who started humming that song.
Jennifer - GMTA - I was just thinking that SpongeDob Sploogepants would be a good name!
Someone was talking about deviants upthread. Wanna talk about deviant? How about male cats trying to breed male cats, how about male dogs trying to breed anything and everything. How about bulls trying to breed other bulls and even their OWN mothers? I've seen it all. What are we gonna do about it? Huh? It's an issue that has to be looked at.
The snow has really started coming down pretty fast here.
Fun with the Inauguration, Part 1: Let us say, and why not, that yesterday a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit was inaugurated President of the United States. There in the spankin' new Cadillac limo, cruisin' past all the protesters, was a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit which, being a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit, didn't really pay attention to the thousands of citizens who thought perhaps America might be led more competently if, say, a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit hadn't been elected. There, outdoors, in the cold, the six-foot tall steaming pile of shit was extra steamy. The onlookers were pleased at the chilled air because if it had been more temperate, well, then they would have had to hold their noses while the six-foot tall steaming pile of shit took the oath of office from the gasping visage of William Rehnquist, six-foot tall steaming piles of shit being noted primarily for their stench.
Then, the quarter million or so gathered, watched in awe as the six-foot tall steaming pile of shit made its inaugural address. Who would have thought a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit would understand such notions as "liberty," "freedom," and "idealism." There's a certain cognitive dissonance that must occur when one witnesses such things, for surely a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit has few purposes other than to rot. Oh, sure, sure, some would say, "That may be a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit, but that six-foot tall steaming pile of shit is my President" and give him a pass. Still others might say that the six-foot tall steaming pile of shit delivered one eloquent barnburner of a speech, that the six-foot tall steaming pile of shit needs only lay out a single path and consequences be damned. Many, though, would watch the speech and shrug and think, "Who the fuck cares what a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit has to say?"
Oh, how the six-foot tall steaming pile of shit, newly re-inaugurated, danced, danced, danced the night away before heading back to the White House for a well-deserved night's sleep, thinking, "My, how wonderful America must be, how great God is, if a six-foot tall steaming pile of shit could find itself here."
Has anybody looked at the kiddie section on Dobson's website? It's called "Ribbits" and the homepage says "Truths that stick in a wishy-washy world."
I played two of the games there.
One of the games was Frog Bounce, where I had to help froggies cross the pond. I got 50 to 100 points for each froggie that was prevented from drowning. And with each 500 points I accumulated, I got "another life."
First of all, why were some frogs' lives worth 50 points and others 100 points? And why did 500 accumulated points buy me "another life"? (Whatever that is?) There seems to be a rather disturbing subtext to the "truth" of that game.
Hate to break it to you liberals, but that ain't no boner on that frog.
Merely a crease in an aged frog's skin. My GOD, if that's a boner, that frog couldn't propagate his way out of a pond.
It's kinda like that ill-conceived square fold in Bush's suit during the debates. Just a bad fit.
Come on, get real.
I was really shocked at the Rude Pundit refering to The Leader as a six foot tall steaming pile of shit. I thought he was shorter than that.
Would the 6-foot Tall Steaming Pile o' Shit hear things calling to him from "beyond the stars"?
Hate to break it to you liberals, but that ain't no boner on that frog.
You don't do humor, do you?
It's kinda like that ill-conceived square fold in Bush's suit during the debates. Just a bad fit.
Come on, get real.
PS--I'm guessing dms isn't a parody. Apologies if I am in error.
I was really shocked at the Rude Pundit refering to The Leader as a six foot tall steaming pile of shit. I thought he was shorter than that.
I think he was counting the steam.
Rude 1 didn't see the president, he saw Mr. Hinky.
How about bulls trying to breed other bulls and even their OWN mothers? I've seen it all. What are we gonna do about it? Huh? It's an issue that has to be looked at.
oldwhitelady
[puts down bag of Cheetos, grabs Kleenex box]
OK! OK! Shut up & roll the tape, already!
Would the 6-foot Tall Steaming Pile o' Shit, know which end to wipe after he does No. 2?
Sentenza - I was really shocked at the Rude Pundit refering to The Leader as a six foot tall steaming pile of shit. I thought he was shorter than that.
The six foot tall steaming pile of shit was wearing lifts in its boots. I think it always does.
Did Anybody notice that the pastor of the frog church is also the mayor? This is the real object of the "christian" right to have "religious" leaders as civic office holders.
w is only about a 5'9 or so pile of shit, but he strives to accomplish all that larger and braver piles of shit have done over the centuries.
I think he was counting the steam.
500 Quatloos for trenchant observation.
Instead of POTUS, should we say SFTSPOS?
First of all, why were some frogs' lives worth 50 points and others 100 points?
I read this aloud here, not having played the game. Immediate, fast feedback: Daughter #1 replied, "The Christian frogs are worth 100 points." Daughter #2 said, "The darker ones are only worth 50 points."
Tena,
And the layers of shit covering the shit's legs were tucked into it's boots.
Sounds like somebody has a new nickname.
I know it was linked here in the comments yesterday, but if you missed Justin Raimando's article on W. and Dostoevsky at antiwar.com, go read it now. It's one of the most f*in' brilliant things I've read in some time. Absolutely nails it.
-- Stu
Silleigh ~
What a great parent you are! You taught 'em well, and funny, too!
The POtuS.
Well Nodd,
I guess neither of us does humor well.
Daughter #1 replied, "The Christian frogs are worth 100 points." Daughter #2 said, "The darker ones are only worth 50 points."
Brilliant Sill,
wonderful kids you have there.
Of course it's not a 6 foot tall steaming pile of shit. You can't stack shit that high before it all starts running downhill.
Well Nodd,
I guess neither of us does humor well.
Sorry. It seemed too pitch-perfect to be parody. You should take that as a compliment!
You taught 'em well, and funny, too!
Alas, they're innately cool. I cannot take full credit. But thanks anyways.
"Sigh, how many more elections are we going to lose because we keep ignoring the fact that the people, including the majority of Democrat voters, don't really want us to be the party of homosexuality. We are on the wrong end of this issue, and it's going to keep getting us beat.
DNC | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 11:45 am | #"
Thanks for the help, troll, but (judging from the aroma), I think you might need to change your diapers.
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You can't stack shit that high before it all starts running downhill.
Jen,
With the proper abount of fiber and a good 'Peanut Matrix' steaming piles upwards of 6 and one half feet have been spotted in the wild.
Six foot tall steaming pile of simian shit works for me!
Okay, called some friends ~ guess we got over a foot of snow here! I need to shovel the driveway.
My neighbor is a really nice person, and she hates SFTSPOSS too! Her boyfriend just blowdried my front walk (live on a corner, big lot). He always does that when it snows.
When people do nice things for others, it gives me hope. I have hope today. It's a lot easier on my old back to have to shovel only my driveway instead of a couple hundred feet of sidewalk.
Anyway, off to the white powder, and it ain't coke to which I am referring.
I meant snow-blowed, not blow dried.
Eeeek. I am such a word geek sometimes.
Sorry,
Ntodd, that is.
The "t" on my laptop doesn't work. I have to cut and paste.
feedback: Daughter #1 replied, "The Christian frogs are worth 100 points." Daughter #2 said, "The darker ones are only worth 50 points."
Silleigh
And the bully frog is not only darker, but has just a teensy bit of an....ethnic look, wouldn't you say?
Or am I reading too much into this?
Ntodd, that is.
I knew which bonehead you meant!
(Note: looks like DNC outed itself way upthread as Molestus.)
Bush's War will make your children gay.
Why did the NYT blow off the NION ad that had been paid for and scheduled to run in the Friday edition?
Sigh, how many more elections are we going to lose because we keep ignoring the fact that the people, including the majority of Democrat voters, don't really want us to be the party of homosexuality. We are on the wrong end of this issue, and it's going to keep getting us beat.
I am willing to stand up for the rights and dignities of homosexuals -- but that is not what I would consider the major issue of the day. If it comes down to supporting gay rights (and loosing every national election) or maintining basic rights, avoiding the draft, preventing war, not allowing chimpy and his frieds to loot social security, and a host of other issues - I need to support broader coalitions.
So many of the issues that gay activists want would be achievable if we could just throw the neocons out. Why does anyone want to stand in the way of this?
Oh Ba'al that tune brings back memories. Sitting around the pub with a pint and trying to work out the family tree on a napkin.
rude no 1 - So many of the issues that gay activists want would be achievable if we could just throw the neocons out. Why does anyone want to stand in the way of this?
Because some things are just right and some are wrong, that's why.
NY Times turned down a full page ad advocating the worship of Ba'al.
What has this country come to?
And the bully frog is not only darker, but has just a teensy bit of an....ethnic look, wouldn't you say?
Or am I reading too much into this?
I had just assumed he was based on Cheney...
On the other hand, that excerpt does sound a bit like classic white supremacist screed along the lines of "The Jew is using the Black as muscle" sort of thing...
Doozer -- howdy. Went to bed the other night and missed a comment you made later.
No need to watch language. Trust me. The munchkins reading over my shoulder here are 16 and 20, and the mom/kid division holds only when they, y'know, leave wet towels on the floor and stuff.
Rude - Because the ends do not justify the means, in other words.
This purple frog reminds me a lot of that damned purple teletubby. I worked my ass off to earn that prize. Damned homosexual agenda, just another pyramid scheme.
BTW, I still have my free teletubby keychain, and now I'm trying to earn the purple frog corkscrew.
I had just taken my first bite of my grilled cheese sandwhich at breakfast this morning when lo and behold I noticed the very image of Sponge Bob himself. He had devil's horns and cloven hooves and he was holding a pitchfork and was surrounded by flames and flying demon monkeys!
The Virgin Mary was over his left shoulder directing the Angels of the Lord in battle against the Sponge Bob forces of gay evil.
I thought I'd give yous guys first crack at the bidding.
Ba'al must attend to some burnt offerings. Such a pleasing aroma! Ba'al must provide munificent worldly rewards to the supplicants.
Ba'al will return in the fullness of time.
I thought I'd give yous guys first crack at the bidding.
jimmiraybob
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1.25 if it'still hot!
jimmyraybob - I'll bid 1000 quatloos.
1.25 if it'still hot!
$1.75 if it has a slice of tomato.
A'll Ha'il to Ba'al!
Bush's War will make your children Abu Ghraib gay.
W. and Dostoevsky at antiwar.com, go read it now. It's one of the most f*in' brilliant things I've read in some time. Absolutely nails it.
-- Stu
Oh my gosh yes!! The whole speech was threatening and now we know where it came from. Excellent!
I'll bid Rev. Cleric Dobson's limp left testicle. Rocky Mountain Oysters and all...
Sooo jimmyraybob, what the hell kind of cheese is that?
It's snowing like a mofo here - get ready, Vicki
Here's a scneario: The Uptight Right doesn't really consider these cartoons a bad influence, it's just that they bleed money and attention away from their causes.
If parents are spending money on SpongeBob, that's $50 (let's say) that's not going to FoF. It's basically a Neilsen issue - if kids/parents have SpongeBob in the VCR, they're not getting Dobson's message 24 hrs/day.
Zero sum Xianity - "you could have sent that money to US!!"
rude 1 - no one does want to stand in the way of throwing the neocons out.
The problem is that you can't out-hate the neocons, and even if this were possible or desireable, your hold on power would last only so long as your hate and vitriol outstripped the other side's. That's not a good road to even begin going down.
We've seen examples of this in action so we know how the dynamic works. Just look at the drug war and the general "get tough on crime" battles that the parties have waged over the past 3 decades. The end result has been the highest rate of incarceration in the "free" world, without a corresponding drop in drug use or crime.
There can't be any concession when it comes to these types of issues. Appealing to the angels of people's better natures is always a harder task than feeding the demons of their baser instincts. But when the latter is the only guidance provided, the outcome is predictable: a cruel and barbaric society in which the majority of citizens are much worse off, while the few distract the attention of the masses away from their misdeeds by sowing ever-greater divisions. No thank you.
Ba'al, I just thought a pagan god might have a higher standard than Bush's god. How many mulligans is that man going to get?
Nick Carraway ?
gods are pretty much all alike in that respect...they take what they can get, lie about it, and then make big noises when people start getting suspicious...and don't get me starded on demi-urges...
i have noticed that most people that have a problem with homosexuality are mainly concerned with their own confused feelings. if they ever glanced at their own gender or had unpure thoughts in that regard, they're usually the loudest to spout off with intolerance.
Another good one from Rude Pundit...
JimmyRay:
500 quatloos for the grilled cheese. Yowzer, I'll put it next to the pitcher o' Li'l Ricky Santorum in the mayonnaise mold.
The Uptight Right doesn't really consider these cartoons a bad influence, it's just that they bleed money and attention away from their causes.
No, actually, I'm inclined to take them at semi-face value on this. What could be worse for the intolerant religious fanatics than kiddie shows that preach kindness, diversity and tolerance? That kind of subversive, un-Christian kind of message would pretty well dry up their future base of support.
WGG ~
You nailed the deity issue. And Ripley's analysis on FoF makes sense.
Why should I go outside and shovel when I can be enlightened in my own little corner of the world, coffee and weed at hand?
And I love reading Dostoevsky.
eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww.........
damn outbid already - 1500 quatloos
Cut the crap Tena, it's time to admit our "principles" are wrong on this one. Being a deviant or psychotic is not an "equal right" and the public instinctively understands that.
Being a party of thinkers, I believe, is important. You clearly have not done your research and do not understand deviance or psychosis. No thanks to your ignorance, IOKIYAR.
You could stand to engage in some critical inquiry if, in fact, you believe you're a Democrat. In any case, a Dem would protect the rights of the ill as well. Not to mention, if there was a diagnosis, aid in the treatment of that person.
Alas, homosexuality is not a sickness, though.
Why should I go outside and shovel when I can be enlightened in my own little corner of the world, coffee and weed at hand?
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Why indeed? Substitute tea and smokes for the coffee, and this is the question I ask myself every day.
It's good to know that others are partaking in the same ritual. Feels almost...religious.
More Right-wing Nuttery. The Bush freedom vs. liberty count.
I'm my own grandpa.
LOL, Ba'al
Alas, homosexuality is not a sickness, though.
weblackey
Indeed, although that's how the bastards like Falwell and Dobson attempt to frame it.
Why should I go outside and shovel when I can be enlightened in my own little corner of the world, coffee and weed at hand?
A truly enlightened approach. The snow will still be there in a hour or two. The coffee, on the other hand, will be burnt. And the weed will help with the backache.
In re: Dostoevsky
The Underground Man gets nothing like the attention it deserves. You could almost read his entire ouvre as along, terrible exploration of the deadly sins. In UM, he makes the case for spite. Just a helluva book...
mena, we worship at the altar of Ba'al in the Temple of Atrios!
Jennifer, in general terms I have to disagree concerning the tactics Democrats use. Democrats have been forced (or forced themselves) into taking an almost passive position on fighting their political opponents. I really believe politics is a war of attrition and you have to do damage to the enemy when you can, how you can to reduce their credibility and counteract their ability to portray themselves in a favorable light. I think if you look at people who no one would deny were Democrats through and through, like FDR, Bobby Kennedy and Johnson you would be hard pressed to find any current politicians who fought as "dirty" as they did. Fact is that there are a small group of enlighteded people on either side of the fence who know the score. As for the people in the middle, you can try to educate some to bring them over to your view but for the most part you have to convince them to support you on more visceral issues. That means you have to hit your enemies in a way that effects the great middle in a visceral way. Karl Rove porobably has wetdreams about the commercial with the little girl and the flower that Johnson ran against Goldwater.
Vicki - we maybe ought to invert that argument. Loudly. After all, their version of xianity is pretty twisted. Why not start saying so?
exactly, flory, exactly. Care to join?
Actually, I'm quitting weed soon ~ my supplier's wife (my best friend) just staged an intervention for him.
The herb is, unfortunately, drying up.
One would think the last election would have taught *you* something. It was not lost on any issue related to gays or gay marriage. Hint: 9/11 + the power of incumbency.
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Throw in Diebold and you got a winner.
I really believe the fundies know they have lost, and this is their last gasp. And for you who get impatient with Incog, well this should provide some light.
Karl Rove has wet dreams about wet dreams
That was in response to Vicki's 1:26 comment.
I like the Temple of Ba'al thing!
Thanks Vicki, I'd love to. I'll even help with the shoveling.
Too bad about the supplier - no other options I take it?
BTW - totally OT. Does anyone else get an Air AMerica station that's broadcasting ads for the local medical marijuana supplier or is that another 'only in California' kind of thing?
Sentenza - We agree on the wimpy "tactics" (if you can call doing and saying nothing as a "tactic") that Democrats use. The answer, though, obviously is not to have John Kerry and John Edwards saying "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman only" - what did that do to stop the rightwing drum-beating against gays? Not a damn thing. It didn't win them any support, either, and they lost.
It would have been much better for them to take strong and principled stands for equal rights under law for ALL citizens. This issue was set up by the right to siphon off support from black churches. It could have been countered by connecting the dots for these folks. Instead, the choice was to go with a message of "yeah, we won't let them be full citizens either, but we don't hate them like the Republicans do."
Losing while standing firm on principle wouldn't suck nearly as bad as caving and losing anyway.
Vicki - Actually, I'm quitting weed soon ~ my supplier's wife (my best friend) just staged an intervention for him.
I know she's your best friend, but I just hate it when a dealer goes into rehab. Oy.
It's a lot of work finding another. But there's always another.
We are on the wrong end of this issue, and it's going to
keep getting us beat.
I think DNC's use of the phrase
"wrong end of the issue" is a clue
that he might be kidding. "Getting
us beat" might be intended irony
as well.
He's not exactly a troll, he's
just annoying.
Maybe. I could be wrong.
Maybe he's that guy that said
"not a chinchilla of evidence."
QuiltLady,
I rarely (in fact, this will be the first time) repost my comments, but I wrote this upthread and I firmly believe it to be true:
The election was tainted. You obviously don't read the news. Man manipulated machine so that "red" man could triumph over "blue" man. It's that simple, and it's fucked. We need to cast the votes by hand and count the votes by hand.
Man programmed machines to coerce, manipulate, and alter the vote, and as such, in this election, man trumped the will of man.
I believe that the only way we will have fair elections in this country is to cast and count the votes by hand.
Otherwise, we're screwed.
This is a huge issue with me, as it boils down to the issue of rights being taken away from a large group of people ~ namely, those who didn't vote for SFTSPOSS.
Has anyone heard this one yet?
Kerry charged with heresy
No one expects the Spanish Inquisition !
my supplier's wife (my best friend) just staged an intervention for him.
"Staged an intervention?" WTF IZZAT???
what? She got a bunch of her friends togehter and they jumped him in the den, tied him up, dumped his weed in the toilet, tore up his papers, trashed his pipes, wtf??? while somebody held him and prayed over his thrashing limbs? now there's uncontestable grounds for divorce, if i ever heard 'em.
The last (in all respects) Mrs WGG had a beef against me for nearly 20 years because I didn't/wouldn't quit weed.
Aaah, Guy Lombardo and his Royal Canadians. When I was 5, my dad used to play "I'm My Own Grandpa" on the mono over and over because it was my favorite song.
Before the Beatles.
Hell, before stereo.
Ba'al, right now I'm feeling as old as you are.
i agree Jennifer that if Kerry had handled the gay marriage issue with more gusto like he did on abortion issue and spelled it out in terms that people can understand ethically,
like as an officer of the court blah blah or swearing to uphold the constitution my opinions are irrelevant...
"Sooo jimmyraybob, what the hell kind of cheese is that?"
Sentenza 01.22.05 - 1:16 pm
Good ole merkun Velveeta (on Wonderbread) of course - must have mass appeal.
What an amazing day I'm having. My lunchtime grilled cheese sandwhich had an image of Hillary Duff and Jenna and notJenna in a three-wa....uh, never mind.....
Tena,
He does have a huge problem with weed ~ probably smokes over $ 1,000 a month. He smokes all day...all night. So I can kind of understand the situation.
Still, what you said.
Aaah, Guy Lombardo and his Royal Canadians. When I was 5, my dad used to play "I'm My Own Grandpa" on the mono over and over because it was my favorite song.
Me, I have a soft spot for "She Taught Me To Yodel", by Kenny Roberts & The Hilltoppers...
Jennifer, I was thinking more of a commercial saying "we believe in equal rights for all people and so do our opponents. The difference is they wont admit it because they think they can appeal to some of you to vote for them if they deny it. But in reality these people, (and then a nice list), are gay and have major positions in the administration/RNC. Both parties recognize gays are an integral part of our society. The only reason the Republicans want you to think otherwise is that it will keep you from facing their real failures in foreign and domestic policy".
He does have a huge problem with weed ~ probably smokes over $ 1,000 a month. He smokes all day...all night.
And he still had enough left over to *deal*?
America que paso???
a lovely little rancheria written and recorded in Abq, down in the South Valley...I just heard it, and my Spanish's not the best, but it's a pop, spanish-language anti-bush protest song afai can tell...dulces!
I see fucktards still post here - the wrong end of homosexuality? Fuck you and your mother DNC - Judge not lest ye be judged - haven't you read the damn book?
I grew up in an era of ignorance about gays - it was associated with perversion and pedopilia - turns out most pedophiles are hetero - gays are just differently oriented and want and deserve the same rights - at least so far as the constitution is concerened - It's their lives!!! Let them live it - why is this even an issue in the 21st century? - stop reading the old testament - move onto the New Testament - get your head out of the 12th century and get on with your lives -
The problem here is I'm preaching to Mostly) the choir - we all have to make these arguments on the right wing blogs - Glenn Reynolds arguments should be refuted continuously until these people see the godamn light (and his ilk and to the media as well of course - their idiot arguements cannot be allowed to stand) -
The time for the left to flex it's muscles is now -
- It's been said before, but this is an echo chamber - and while reading what you all have to say gives me the comfort of knowing I'm not alone, it's not winning the war - we have to take it to them!
From the Daley Post Times - a conservative crapsite:
Norwegians Confused By Bush Salute (The Chicago Tribune)
President Bush's "Hook 'em, 'horns" salute got lost in translation in Norway, where shocked people interpreted his hand gesture during his inauguration as a salute to Satan... For Texans, the gesture is a sign of love for the University of Texas Longhorns, whose fans are known to shout out "Hook 'em, 'horns!" at sporting events.
Are Norwegians really that stupid?
Umm, my parents are Norwegian, dumbass. Are all Xians really that hypocritical?
I went over and read that article at antiwar, now I'm scared.
Must take back the house in '06.
Vicki, is it still snowing there? My daughter said East Lansing got over a foot so far.
Nah, Woody, just my friend and her busband's son, sat down with him, set up a time frame, all that jazz.
She was telling me all about last night, while we were (ahem)drinking and smoking weed(ahem).
Like Jim Morrison said, "People are Strange..."
And yes, the irony is delicious.
Ripley - Has anyone heard this one yet?
Kerry charged with heresy
If the church charges all those people with heresy for being pro-choice, I have to ask:
Is the RCC just begging to become irrelevant? The church needs to stay out of other people's business and take care of its own business - like getting rid of pederasts in the priesthood.
How the fuck did the RCC manage to stay viable this long? Unreal. They act like they are still the political powerhouse they were in the Middle Ages. I've got news for them...
the last (in all respects)Mrs WGG - you're funny. which reminds me - i had meant to write it down... what was it she said about you being a quick study but....? line please.
Are Norwegians really that stupid?
I think the Norwegians were just surprised that Bush would be so overt about it.
Are Norwegians really that stupid?
How much you wanna bet you can't even get a decent cheeseburger over there? Geez.
What Ripley said -
Get a grip - the whole fucking planet is not aware of the fucking University of Texas and it's little inside jokes and gestures.
Christ on a crumbcake, that's just the stupidest thing I've read someone say in ages. A whole country needs to wake up on account of one fucking American university football team.
Oy vey!
pie, yes, although not nearly as fast furious as in the night.
It's coming down in light, little crystalline forms...nothing heavy.
I need to go outside, but I'm procrasinating in here...been on the blog on and off for about four hours!
I'm guessing we have at least a foot of snow. I didn't expect that much.
How much over there?
Not quite a foot, but as I said below, too deep for the snowblower. 
Tena
Haven't you heard. texas thinks it is the whole world.
Christ on a crumbcake, that's just the stupidest thing I've read someone say in ages. A whole country needs to wake up on account of one fucking American university football team.
Seriously, if you're in Europe and you see that, which is going to seem more plausible to you: That Bush is announcing himself as a follower of Satan, or that it's some particularly American thing that means something entirely different.
I think it's a toss-up, at best.
we got a foot here in metro detroit and thank goodness one crappy snoblower, a shovel and two teens!
That Bush is announcing himself as a follower of Satan
Well...
And Jenna and NotJenna are good little Christian girls. Heehee.
Being brought up Catholic, it pains me to read these types of things. Seriously...you always have hope that something good will come from the foundation on which your values were formed...but alas, the article from WND is embarrassing for Catholiccs, recovering Catholics...everybody.
I suppose if I were John Kerry I'd finally tell the Church to go fuck itself.
Underdog is my God these days.
one crappy snoblower, a shovel and two teens!
Hmmmm. I've got the dog who kept barking at the shovel and trying to bite it. Big help, that one.
Underdog is Satan!
See, I don't make typos, he does.
I have typo-virus today. Please forgive me.
waiting...
the ever-perspicacious and insightful (last) MrsWGG said I was a quick study but a slow learner...the truth of this observation notwithstanding, it was a blow at the time. I have since come to believe it entirely, and have tried to live accordingly...
Btw: the last MrsWGG and I are still fast and fond friends who visit on the phone once or so a month, and in person sometimes too--she lives on the central coast of Ca, i not there (to my sad chagrin, though ABQ's not bad)...she has the cats (some three of whom we got together, almost 20 years ago), and i have the dogs...it was an amicable separation...
pie, when I head outside, I'm bringing the dog to chase the shovel, too. No real traffic, so I think he'll do just fine.
Well...
Emphasis on the "announcing himself" part. I don't think the Norwegians have much doubt that Bush *is* a follower of Satan, or at best an unwitting tool.
Kerry should have attacked the church. Being nice to them wasnt going to help him. He should have had a detailed list of instances where bishops covered up for pedophile priests and threatened to start mailing it out to people. He should have also threatened to challenge their tax exempt status on the basis of their participation in partisan politics. Hell, he still should. Make them pay. Maybe they will keep their mouths shut next time.
And Jenna and NotJenna are good little Christian girls. Heehee.
My daughters are both good Christian young ladies who will be virgins on their wedding night. As my husband and I were.
Signed:
The lump in the bed.
you got the shaft she got the cat?
kidding
The Norwegians are hardly alone.
I tell ya, I don't know how I force myself to go look at those crapsites. The speculation and conjecture, abject dread of facts, and the smug, self-fighteous venom are almost too much to take sometimes.
These are the people of Values that want to control America? No thanks...
What Would Jesus Blog?
WGG,
Over the last few months. I have come to detect the scent of tenderheartedness in you. It's really nice.
Quilt Lady ~
Nice excuse!
Someone on this thread is fucking pretending to be me. "Rude 1" is not the Rude Pundit. So, whoever you are, just fuckin' stop the masquerade and get your own secret identity, Incrediboy.
And don't fuckin' tell me "I never said I was the Rude Pundit." The implication is clear.
The Norwegians are hardly alone.
Hells no. Especially if you let the "unwitting tool" part stand by itself.
next year the preznit is going to take us to the Haij so we can all throw stones at the devil. this way he kills how many birds with just 7 stones?
There was a rumor circulating around Europe that one of the twins had a special *procedure* performed there. Where did I hear that?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...1/
21.html#a1385 has the video of Dobson blaming the media for distortion; then repeats the same accusations! Of course it's the liberal media's fault.
Nah, Woody, just my friend and her busband's son, sat down with him, set up a time frame, all that jazz./i>
Yeah, right...got your time frame covered...N.E.V.E.R. comes to mind...
Still, tokin a grand/month's a bit steep. What does a grand per month buy in Grand Rapids?
I get mexican commercial grade (paraquat?) weed here for about $50/oz wholesale... I don't spend more because until you get into the $1000/oz range it doesn't really make that much difference to me anymore...uvcourse that might just be me
WGG, I'm always heartened when I hear that people who divorced are still friends and can get along amicably. My ex and I are still best friends, he lives right down the street from me and my hubby, and we hang out together regularly. When people find this out, they think it's nuts- like we're obligated to hate each other forever or something. I always rejoin with, "Hey, we loved each other enough to marry. Just because we couldn't get along living together is no reason to discontinue our friendship and become mortal enemies."
There was a rumor circulating around Europe that one of the twins had a special *procedure* performed there.
Aww. It's like a family bonding thing!
I noticed Giuliani wasn't on the list of "heretical" politicians. I wonder what Ba'al's position on reproductive choice is?
It sucks that we are getting clubbed with the gay issue, but changing our stance will accomplish nothing. Hell, we are still getting hammered over the race issue-and this is 40 years after blacks supposedly got their "civil rights" enshrined in law? (They have even figured out how to call US racists!) It's going to take a lot of hard work and patience, and yes, setbacks, but we'll get there.
Vicki | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 1:38 pm | #
You and Mr. QuiltLady. He almost didn't bother to vote: a) NYS and especially NYC are so blue one or two votes don't really matter; and b) he is absolutely convinced the elections have been stolen. He is a programmer and keeps saying cryptic things like, watch how the vote is going and flip every tenth, or fifteenth vote, depending on what is needed.
Is anything happening with blackboxvoting? I've heard rumors that she is a bit of a flake and she has been banned from DU. Any word, anybody?
Whoever you are, you really don't want to mess with the Rude Pundit. He will fuck your shit up.
You hear that Ironfist,LGF.
Emphasis on the "announcing himself" part. I don't think the Norwegians have much doubt that Bush *is* a follower of Satan, or at best an unwitting tool.
I doubt many people in Norway actually believe in Satan. It's a pretty secular place. You're applying American values to another country.
I don't like the word "evil". I prefer to think of Bush as just another common thug in fancy dress. All the talk of "freedom" is just an excuse to rob some Muslims of their oil. The word "freedom" is empty, kind of like the rapist who wants his victim to say "I love you".
You can get a quarter ounce here for $ 50, so you're looking at about 5 ounces a month (math skills, where are you)?
That's a lot of weed...I might smoke a quarter in a month!
Where did I hear that?
Hmmph. Disgusting cheese-eaters. Not a word of it is true.
Lump
I'm reasonably certain that frogs, queer or otherwise, don't have dicks ... but, then, I'm equally certain that Dobson doesn't, either.
Hmmph. Disgusting cheese-eaters. Not a word of it is true.
Maybe it was immaculate conception, and she "procedured" the Second Coming.
Oops.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:07 pm
Heretic!
I'm always heartened when I hear that people who divorced are still friends and can get along amicably.
The best example I can think of is (are?) Lou and Peter Berryman, a musical duo who have been divorced since 1974, have each remarried, and have turned out something like twelve albums since 1980. Maybe it's a Wisconsin thing.
Heretic!
Hey, I'm presenting a very compelling argument *against* abortion here. I'm on God's side, really I am.
Maybe it was immaculate conception, and she "procedured" the Second Coming.
Not funny when you think that some people would probably believe it if told by the *right* person.
i'm outta here cos my slow learner just called and realizes he best make the effort to come over here and take care of business!
Heretic!
Indeed. The Second Coming was just re-elected. And those who believe otherwise will be dealt with appropriately.
a chancre of wankers?
Far be it from me to argue with Woolcott, but I've been calling Dobson "SpoogeDob Prayerpants."
"You can get a quarter ounce here for $ 50..."
Anybody remember when an ounce was $15? Showing my age I know.
f, or maybe it's just a "reasonable people thing." Unless they have done something extreme- physical abuse, etc- I just can't understand hating someone you were once married to.
mer, yes.
OT--somewhat...
Any of the New Mexico contingent here, if you know Patsy Madrid, the NMAG, and DNC delegate, she's making noises about supporting Martin Cross, the Texas DINO for DNC chair...what a feculent bint...
Not funny when you think that some people would probably believe it if told by the *right* person.
Believe me, I'm all too aware. Although per flory, that might have to be amended to the "Third Coming."
Anybody remember when an ounce was $15? Showing my age I know.
Weird. That was exactly my thought. And my reaction. And cigs were 35 cents a pack.
Okay, Radical Cleric Dobson has a link to this page on his site:
http://www.boundless.org/2002_20...s/
a0000719.html
It is about collegians (whatever the fuck they are) having trouble being bullied in college because of their faith. Look at the picture of those two guys at the top of the page. Yea, the one with the latte staring deeply in the eyes of the other one. Short hair, long glances.... Holy BenHur SpongeBob? Tell me those guys are straight.
Weird. That was exactly my thought. And my reaction. And cigs were 35 cents a pack.
I remember comic books being 35 cents...
...that might have to be amended to the "Third Coming."
There will be no Third Cuming. The Rapture Index is up.
The Rapture Index is up.
Orange? Or red?
Deep Purple.
I think I have the same laptop as you, QuiltLady. Minus the pawprints.
I remember comic books being 35 cents...
I remember gasoline being 35 cents.
OT, but yesterday's L.A. Times reports that the Iraqi police in Najaf may desert their posts in large numbers on election day.
Problem? They haven't been paid SINCE AUGUST.
I'm sorry, how many billions have been shoveled into the Administration's arms for this seminar on how not to run a war?
Repent Eli, there is yet time.
But I gotta go. See you all later.
The NYT must be punished for blasphemy! Would a burnt offering of Bobo & Modo (on a stick) be pleasing to Ba'al?
Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Graham and other assorted "Elmer Gantry's" who live high off the hog(wash) of evangilism, are all frauds to the core.
They're devotion to "Jesus Christ" is purely for public consumption and they like to control their feebleminded followers by being hypocritical misogynists and pompous asses.
If there was a God, he/she would have already struck these charlatans dead.
Repent Eli, there is yet time.
Hell, I haven't even pented yet.
It is about collegians (whatever the fuck they are) having trouble being bullied in college because of their faith.
I went through 4 years of college and 2 years of grad school and never had a professor take the slightest interest in what religion I was.
The one exception was the leftist English professor who wanted me to take his "Bible as Literature" class. He assured me that "secularism was a dead end" and I should perhaps "think of the book of Exodus as the original national liberation narrative".
That was about it.
The NYT would make a particularly pungent burnt offering. All that blood on their hands would add to the aroma.
The sat rad is playing "I think Im turning Japanese". Definately reminds me of this administration.
Dobson, Falwell, Robertson, Graham and other assorted "Elmer Gantry's" who live high off the hog(wash) of evangilism, are all frauds to the core.
Have you ever met any of Dobson followers in real life?
I got the chance to speak to some of them when they came to Seattle for their big anti-gay Bund rally last year.
It's definitely a borderline cult as much as a Protestant denomination. These people all had this weird, glazed over look about them and all seemed willing to lie without even thinking about it.
I doubt Dobson himself believes a word of it.
Eli,
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Just opened the mail....
January 7, 2005
Dear Ms. Cubicle:
The intelligence reports that I have received indicate that although significant discoveries of weapons of mass destruction stockpiles or production capacities have yet to take place, such discoveries remain very possible.
Sincerely,
Charles E. Schumer
United States Senate
I'm sorry, how many billions have been shoveled into the Administration's arms for this seminar on how not to run a war?
Oh, was that money meant for Iraqis? I thought it was for Halliburton and military contractors. And the occasional Chinese bullet manufacturer.
Fourmore, there's a growing concern about the actual $ spent vs. the $ budgeted, as well.
I know $180 million is ready to be paid to 2 of the contractors involved in the Abu Graib torture paradigm.
I think Sarah Deere is older than I, but not many others. I bought cigarettes at 25 cents per pack, gas at 19.9 cents per gallon (full-service), and a six-pack of Coors for $1.50, in '64; weed for $10/oz in '68. In 1977, I had an apartment on Canyon Road, 100 yards west of Camino del Monte Sol, second floor with a bay window, a barber's chair, and an unobstructed east view into the Sangres; rent was $175/mo...
The only way Bushboy's economics make any sense is if you believe in "the end of days," because at the rate the Depraved Moron is spending & borrowing money, even the next few generations of Americans won't be able to dig out of the hole he's dug.
Pray for the "rapture" because otherwise it will be financial panic and collapse in America real soon...
ROTFLMAO!!!!
No, they really *were* 35 cents! I have pictures!
Wait, Schumer too????
I suppose if I were John Kerry I'd finally tell the Church to go fuck itself.
I did that when I was 20. I'm 38 now and I'm still pretty pleased with myself about it.
The only way Bushboy's economics make any sense is if you believe in "the end of days," because at the rate the Depraved Moron is spending & borrowing money, even the next few generations of Americans won't be able to dig out of the hole he's dug.
But The Rapture must be *after* 2042, or else there'd be no reason to "reform" Social Security, right? Right?
Why is everyone laughing?
Snow heralds that rapture is nigh.
Say Fundies, with reverent sigh.
They watch with wide eyes
Poised to ascend to the skies
And weep as the flakes pile high.
SWR:
I've never had the misfortune to meet any of the rabid followers of the religious right, but I do have a Republican cousin and former son-inlaw who "believe in Bushboy!"
Believing in Dobson or those other religious frauds is probably the same thing.
To the question about ever meeting any Dobsonites ... it's an experience you can't describe.
I was raised by Assembly of God parents until I managed to escape during my teens and stop going.
My mother and sister worship Dobson et al ... those who do, I am convinced from close obserfvation, are people with deep emotional problems. The church members I remember from my childhood were violent, abusive people who had difficulty functioning in the world. Radical religion helps them cope.
Make no mistake ... these are incredibly dangerous and misguided people you do not want to know.
Yes, Sentenza, Schumer still believes it, even after Duefer drove the last nail into the coffin.
Unfortunately(?), Clinton appears to be the only person on the Democratic side with enough personality to build a cult around. I think Obama has a chance, but I hope he doesn't launch too early and trash his credibility.
New Thread.
those who do, I am convinced from close obserfvation, are people with deep emotional problems. The church members I remember from my childhood were violent, abusive people who had difficulty functioning in the world.
Cause or effect?
I suppose if I were John Kerry I'd finally tell the Church to go fuck itself.
I did that when I was 20. I'm 38 now and I'm still pretty pleased with myself about it.
Buzz Bomb | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:31 pm | #
I just drifted away from the church I was brought up in and don't plan on ever going back. But I've never told them to "go fuck themselves".
But I'm not a politician. Leaving the Catholic church would severely damage Kerry's political career. Look at what they did to Dean for switch to the Congregationalists from the Episcopalians and for having a Jewish wife.
I personally can't even think of an American politician who's willing to call bullshit on religion. Most of the saner ones just ignore it.
I guess you could point to McGreevey and a few others who said they wouldn't take communion as long as the church opposes abortion but that's about all I can think of.
I remember when comics were ten cents.
Man, am I old.
In fact, I'm so old I remember when
it was cool to think that Rod
Stewart was cool.
Gotta go gum my kibble now....
Eli:
Very astute observation about SS, but hell, Bushboy's got to do something so he can borrow $2 trillion and appear to be doing something.
mer - I remember when an ounce was $10. And it was so good I hallucinated.
Those days are gone forever.
I find it interesting that Dobson allows anything to be purple. It's such a gay color.
Lou and Peter Berryman are hilarious! Never seen them but have a bunch of their tapes and CD's.
Ah, Velveeta. The cheesoid substance that lets vegetarians experience the pleasures of Spam. I don't know what vegans do for thrills.
at the rate the Depraved Moron is spending & borrowing money, even the next few generations of Americans won't be able to dig out of the hole he's dug.- Rudy
Mot to mention the rate at which the moron is losing money- anyone remember that $8.8 billion the CPA "lost?"
Obama made dinner with the Cheneys one of his first tasks upon arriving in D.C. and nearly stuck his tongue down Rice's throat at her hearings.
Nope ... never. He's just another gutless GOPer lite.
I remember when comics were ten cents too, but I wasn't going to admit it. Chewing gum was 5 cents, and those little wax bottles of colored sugar water were 2 cents a piece.
I find it interesting that Dobson allows anything to be purple. It's such a gay color.
Well, it *is* the Evil Sex Frog, after all.
To the question about ever meeting any Dobsonites ... it's an experience you can't describe.
In this specific example, the big Dobsonite anti-gay rally at Safeco last year, what struck me was the willingness to lie without even thinking about it.
The Seattle cops were being pretty hands off about anti-Dobson counterprotesters so it was easy to sneak up into the rally and have a look around. There was pro-Bush literature everywhere. The event was partly sponsored by the local right-wing radio station. Every booth had voter registration forms. There were canvassers for George Nethercutt.
And yet (and I made it a point to ask some of them about mixing religion and politics) every one I spoke to denied that it was about politics and I don't mean in some theoretical sense. They denied there were voter registration forms, Nethercutt canvassers, pro-Bush literature.
They just flat out lied. It couldn't have been an accident. They must have some policy about lying to infidels or something.
Mot=not
Obama made dinner with the Cheneys one of his first tasks upon arriving in D.C. and nearly stuck his tongue down Rice's throat at her hearings.
He's only a first term senator. He can't really grandstand just yet. I think he was just trying to pin her down on a few specifics. I wouldn't jump the gun on bashing him.
Cause or effect?
It's some of both, I think, but I'm no behaviourist.
The church tends to attract and hold a certain type, but it also reinforces and magnifies the worst of their negative personality traits.
7 oz bottle of coke from a water-cooled, mechanical, lift-top chest dispenser $.05...
Did you see the tape of Obama greeting Rice at the hearings on the first day, on the floor before the gavel?
Ack.
Those were the best cokes ever--in that little green bottle. I don't even drink coke anymore, but that is a good memory.
Our first apartment, in the East Village was $35 per month. Heck, we took a double.
The church tends to attract and hold a certain type, but it also reinforces and magnifies the worst of their negative personality traits.
I just can't believe that everyone who grows up in and is brainwashed by the church is inherently evil. Now, people who voluntarily sign up, on the other hand... If not evil, at the very least, very lost and confused and searching for meaning, and not real picky about where they find it.
One thing I've noticed in American society is the use of "family" to instantly qualify things as "good, proper, sane", etc. If you think about it, when most of these people and orgs use the word "family", they're talking about children. (I won't get into the Uptight Right's under-the-radar target of "intentionally childless couples")
Basically, anything that adults are free to enjoy that might be inappropriate, but not necessarily harmful, for children, becomes "wrong and dangrous". There are billboards here for a Xian radion station that actually say "Radio that's safe for the whole family". Huh? When did radio become dangerous?
So, I think it's easy for them to frame things like SpongeBob as "dangerous". Most parents would have a knee-jerk reaction if you mentioned homosexuality in relation to their children. "Sex bad, homo sex really bad, SpnogeBob very suspicious....thank you James Dobson for saving MY children, I wasn't even aware of the danger."
Notice how you dont' seem to hear much about what to Do, it's always "look out for the insidious, evil (target du jour) that I'm telling you to look out for!" The Uptight Right leaders treat the adults like children and the adults never question it.
Did you see the tape of Obama greeting Rice at the hearings on the first day, on the floor before the gavel?
Ack.
Hmmm. Cottonmouth.
Obviously, a cokehead.
megisi - From what I can tell, the Assemblies of God are really the worst of the fundies (excepting always the FLDS, but they're hardly xian.) They scare me - they have women killing their babies for Jebus here in Texas.
I wish someone would investigate them. Something's wrong when 3 Texas Assemblies of God mothers kill their children to please Jebus. Something's terribly wrong.
Im willing to let Obama slide some as a first term senator. No excuse for Biden. He has been a senator since what, the war of 1812. If he doesnt have balls now, he isnt going to get them. I just dream of what someone like Sam Ervin, Lyndon Johnson or Bobby Kennedy would do to a nominee like Rice or Gonzales. Maybe part of the problem with the Democrats is that in the congress they were on top for so long that they bred people who didnt rock the boat instead of fighters. Geez, if Bobby Kennedy had one of those people as a nominee in front of him it would be so fucking ugly. In fact I doubt they would be stupid enough to subject themselves to that kind of political beating.
Sex bad, homo sex really bad, SpnogeBob very suspicious....thank you James Dobson for saving MY children, I wasn't even aware of the danger."
Since they're being manipulated by Dobson anyway, they're probably open to believing that people are easily manipulated.
I was struck by the positive coverage that the (supposedly liberal) Seattle Times gave them. But if you read between the lines you'd come to the conclusion that a lot of them are ex-alcoholic, substance abusers, and people who are generally just a bit weird.
Dobson pretty much preys on the gullible then sells them the idea that we're all just as gullible as they are.
Ripley - It's an excuse the Fundies use to promote censorship, I think. Right after Avedon died, the New Yorker ran a number of his photographs. One of them was of members of ACTUP, nude.
The following week there was a letter from an "outraged parent" about the possibility that kids could have seen the photo.
There are so many things wrong with that attitude that I don't know where to start.
Mainly, however, putting aside the fact that nudity is not inherently sexual, I find it offensive that they are pushing to have the entire culture on a grade school level so that no child accidentally will be exposed to anything adult. And neither will we.
Country that sells the most cigarettes to the world?
USA! We're #1!!!
Bushboy & the right-to-lifers would do something about it but with our unfavorable balance of trade, we need the revenue............
Well, I purposely avoided the word "evil," but it's not inappropriate in some cases. I can only talk about the Assembly of God, too, so I don't want to paint with too broad a brush.
But, repressed pedophiles, former military grunts who violently bully young people, vicious gossipmongers and a disproportinate number of schizophrenics? You betcha.
Those women in Texas, Tena, had plenty of enablers in their churches before they did what they did, I can guarantee you that.
Um...Tad Pole?
If that's not a porn name, I don't know what is.
Mainly, however, putting aside the fact that nudity is not inherently sexual, I find it offensive that they are pushing to have the entire culture on a grade school level so that no child accidentally will be exposed to anything adult. And neither will we.
It is funny how people who get offended by nudity and think it's inherently pornographic don't even notice obvious kiddie-porn light like the Olson twins or all of the sexualixed violence on TV.
Eli,
ROTFLMAO!!!!
I just drifted away from the church I was brought up in and don't plan on ever going back. But I've never told them to "go fuck themselves".
Heh, well I didn't literally phone up the bishop or confront the local parish priest or whatever and tell them to go fuck themselves. But I did storm out of a confessional box one day and that was the last time I have had anything to do with the Catholic Church, with the exception of a few weddings I had to attend.
The Right has bitched for years about the PC police. But the Right wants to be the morality police - no smoking on TV, no drinking, no hint of sexuality. No adult language.
We are all headed straight back to Romper Room.
Ugh.
I'm sure that bulge is not a penis, too. Don't male frogs have internal genitalia. I'm thinking it's more of a receiver and the frog is being fed lines. Now, who's on the other end, that's what I want to know.
Mainly, however, putting aside the fact that nudity is not inherently sexual, I find it offensive that they are pushing to have the entire culture on a grade school level so that no child accidentally will be exposed to anything adult.
I still can't figure how Fox doesn't just explode from the sheer cognitive dissonance between their political wing and their programming wing.
Tena, don't you know that women's breasts are nasty things that are there only to sell beer and cars?
I once ran a computer lab in a nursing school, where one of the teachers was worried that students would see inappropriate pictures via the Web. Um, if they wanted to see naked people, all they had to do was open their textbooks...
If that's not a porn name, I don't know what is.
And not straight porn, either.
megisi - Like I said, something is wrong there. I've not had any first hand experience with the Assemblies of God, so I'll take your word for it that they had enablers. I know that the women's husbands were enabled by the church to treat them like indentured servants - good only to get children on and to raise and school the children.
No wonder the women went nuts.
I still can't figure how Fox doesn't just explode from the sheer cognitive dissonance between their political wing and their programming wing.
Isn't that just part of American culture, that dissonance.
Sex is OK as long as it's punished. Violence is great as long as its against the right people.
Pruriance and Morality go together. Why the fascination with Laci Peterson and Michael Jackson? With OJ?
What scares the fundis isn't sex and violence. It's a realistic depiction of sex and violence.
Bushboy mentioned "freedom" 27 times and "liberty" 15 times in his blustering bullshit inaugural speech.
"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose," sang Janis Joplin and at the rate Bushboy is screwing the American public, they soon will be enjoying a "Bushboy kind of freedom," as they lose their life savings to Bushboy's destructive deficits and borrowing mania.
Diana Vreeland was the editor of Vogue Magazine during the 1960's. Vogue was one of the first magazines to show a model with her midriff bare and her navel showing. She got a letter from an outraged parent saying that she couldn't have the magazine in her house that month because her nineteen-year-old son might see it.
Diana Vreeland was the editor of Vogue Magazine during the 1960's. Vogue was one of the first magazines to show a model with her midriff bare and her navel showing. She got a letter from an outraged parent saying that she couldn't have the magazine in her house that month because her nineteen-year-old son might see it
Well young Norman Bates will just have to be locked in his room then.
weblackey - I'm sure that bulge is not a penis, too. Don't male frogs have internal genitalia. I'm thinking it's more of a receiver and the frog is being fed lines. Now, who's on the other end, that's what I want to know.
SWR:
In re: FAUX NEWS.
The right is very capable of being schizophrenic.
Look at the WSJ editorial page and their news columns, which often contradict each other with the news columns giving the facts, while the editors dream up fantasies.
Rudy - "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose," sang Janis Joplin
By way of Kris Kristoferson, who wrote the song and ripped that straight out of Dylan.
I don't think it's quite as simple as saying "raunchy stuff on TV is exempt because the sex is punished and the violence is for a good cause" - there's plenty of titillation and skin on TV that is just for its own sake, with no punishment (except for the humiliation of making a fool of yourself on TV in quasi-reality shows, but I think that's a little too meta to count).
It basically just comes down to moralistic Americans loving to rail against naughty images, while deep down being utterly fascinated with them.
Funniest line in a NYT editorial in maybe forever: "It's not that Dr. Dobson has a problem with Mr. SquarePants per se."
I still can't figure how Fox doesn't just explode from the sheer cognitive dissonance between their political wing and their programming wing.
Very thick walls.
Dylan used to be quite a poet.
I'm not sure if cynicism or old age set in and has left him dry.
Funniest line in a NYT editorial in maybe forever: "It's not that Dr. Dobson has a problem with Mr. SquarePants per se."
arachnae
Thanks. I really needed that. That is precious. If that doesnt get the NYT the wanker of the day I dont know what will get it.
It basically just comes down to moralistic Americans loving to rail against naughty images, while deep down being utterly fascinated with them.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 3:06 pm | #
How much of that nudity/sex on TV is realistic though?
It seems to me that most Americans are OK with sex on TV as long as it has a melodramatic context.
If it's normal, boring sex between consenting adults, that terrifies them because then it makes sex look normal and boring.
And a lot of their power comes from the ability to manipulate the emotions people have about sex.
I wish Abu Gonzales and Dr.PZ had had to face interrogation by Sam Ervin, or Bill Fulbright. I wish there were some way to make these vile obscenities pay for their lies and vanities...
yeah, right...not one of them will suffer a day's, nor even an hour's, discomfort for the mockery to which they hold up the People of the Republic...it is ugly, self-conscious mendacity, a story cooked up with the collaboration fo some of the interrogators...
Someone suggested subjecting nominees like Dr.PZ and Abu Gonzales to trial by ducking: Seat the nominees in ducking chairs, and anytime an examiner thinks they have lied, she or he tosses a ball at a target, and if the target is struck, the nominee gets ducked into a vat of some noxious substance. I frankly am convinced both should undergo a session of waterboarding, just for props...
Still love Dylan's, "Subterranean homesick blues," and "Positively 4th St." and "Just like a woman."
I understand his recently published bio is a good read...
7 oz bottle of coke from a water-cooled, mechanical, lift-top chest dispenser
$.05...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono | Email | Homepage | 01.22.05 - 2:45 pm | #
Wow, WGG:
I remember the dispensers, but I
absolutely don't remember five
cent cokes.
Amazing.
Look at all those Biblical epics which always has lots of scenes of half-naked dancing girls and evil empresses in milk baths. Or for the ladies, we had Victor Mature in a leather micro-mini and his shirt always seemed to get ripped off after fighting lions or Romans.
Yeah, male frogs grab female frogs in the pond and both just kind of let loose simultaneously. Sperm and eggs get together out in the water, no penetration required.
They do get to woo and make a bit of contact, at least. Better than silverfish. The male bugs just leave little packages of sperm where they hope some female bug will run across them.
And what's the point of trying to save frogs from drowning, as in the game someone mentioned? They're cold blooded, they absorb some oxygen through their skin, and they swim a hell of a lot better than we do.
The munchkins reading over my shoulder here are 16 and 20, and the mom/kid division holds only when they, y'know, leave wet towels on the floor and stuff.
Silleigh
At which point Mom picks up said wet towel, locates said kid, deftly twirls the towel between outstretched hands, and...
Ooh, that's gonna leave a mark!
Late to the party....
The DNC does not need to change the party platform one bit. It just needs better marketing. The left stands for "Freedom AND Justice FOR ALL" not just the chosen few. Fuck sucking up to the right.
Besides the repuke party is going to eat its own pretty quick.
When will the public realize that the cucumber and the tomato on the Christian kids' show Vegetales are gay lovers too?
A cucumber and round juicy tomato? They're not even really trying to hide it.
Sex has always been a convenient scapegoat for the Christian moralists.
It's a great cover for misogynism and their own sexual perversity.
Temperance just doesn't get the juices flowing like imposing control of a groups sexual behavior, especially if you get sex-benefits from those who think you are so "pure."
Rudy:
The Dylan auto-bio is a very good,
if very weird, read indeed.
steve:
I'll look forward to checking the Dylan auto-bio out. Thanks.
What was the name of that homicidal-suicidal-pedophile at Waco?
He was banging his followers wives and children and they still believed he was "the Lamb of God."
What incredible bullshit!!!
David Koresh.
Currently roasting in hell for
pretending to be the Messiah.
steve simels - David Koresh.
Currently roasting in hell for
pretending to be the Messiah
And yet there are still wack jobs on both the right and the left (and some have done it here) who will argue that Koresh was unfairly targeted and that Janet Reno fucked up there.
Koresh was a fucking religious nut case who was also heavily armed. In my book that makes him dangerous.
The Waco Wacko was David Koresh iirc.
Seriously, if you're in Europe and you see that, which is going to seem more plausible to you: That Bush is announcing himself as a follower of Satan, or that it's some particularly American thing that means something entirely different.
I think it's a toss-up, at best.
Eli
Aw, hell, you wouldn't even have to go that far. There are American Fundaments who would see that and wonder. This stuff is so deeply ingrained in some of 'em that a "worldly" explanation, true or not, bounces right off. There'll be some talk at the Church tomorrow...
What's amazing is that those in the "Koresh was unfairly targeted" are almost, if not completely, all W supporters.
You'd think they'd re-think their support of Koresh, given that he tried to fool his followers into thinking he was Christ, since they all know that actually W is. How dare Koresh try to pass himself off as the true messiah, when clearly the Chimp holds that title?
Ahianne - yep, the Koresh compound was right outside of Waco. There are some insane Koresh followers who consider the ground sacred.
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IIRC, they've erected a monument on the site.
Heavy *sigh*
Dubya is the avatar of "Yog Sothoth". That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Jennifer - I agree with everything you've said. What I find frustrating is not that some on the right defend Koresh. We've had them here, more than once.
They were extreme anti-government lefties who insist that Koresh was the innocent victim of a government gone wild. Or at least, they talked a good game.
Sody water nostalgia, eh? Anyone else remember Super Coola? (may have been spelled with a K) It came in a conical-topped metal can with a screw cap, like the old brake fluid cans (which still look the same, but are now plastic).
This would be the Midwest, 1957 or thereabouts. I've long forgotten what it tasted like, but when I think of it Dr Pepper comes to mind, so maybe it was something like that.
I just remembered something, a dobson is another name for a hellgamite. While it sounds like the devil's sperm it's some kind of larva. A dragonfly? Someone?
David and Jonathan whose love surpassed that of a man and wife.
David Koresh was pretty bad, just another man-god gone wild. While the thing was botched it's obvious that it was his fanatics who burned the place down.
Bush's War will make your children Abu Ghraib gay.
I'm sorry, but I just can't deal with an "erect" frog, no matter what color it is!!!! I mean, frogs have as much right to be erect as any other creature, but I don't think I want to ruminate about that particular FOF frog. Call me irresponsible.
Crunchy Erect Purple Frog.
EPT - it's obvious that it was his fanatics who burned the place down.
Yes, it is obvious. To all but some completely insane people who insist that it was the FBI who set the fire. That's just nuts -
It is also clear that the ATF fucked up the start of the whole thing. It was ridiculously handled. But that is a long way from saying that Koresh was an innocent victim.
Sorry I showed up late -- & I don't even have the excuse of "blow drying" the snow (Hi Vicki -- we got about a foot down here in this part of Michigan -still coming down -- cut my run short this morning because it was too exhausting -- should have done cross country skiing) --since we have postulants to shovel the snow
But I just want to say that I am 100% with Vicki & Tena on the Dems & gays rights (& civil rights for ALL citizens -- non-citizens too, for that matter) & I am happy to be an Episcopalian & i am proud that our bishops (faced with threats of excommunication from the Anglican Communion) have refused to back down on gay rights (& I seldom have something good to say about bishops)
Im wondering if Bully and Tad Pole taste like chicken?
Wonder when the Religious Wrong will notice that there is something extremely sick about those who seriously ascribe sexual identities to children's cartoons. If you're turned on enough by Sponge Bob to actually begin an anti-gay campaign about it, the elevator's not reaching the top floor.
• Tena, I never bothered to investigate Koresh enough to form a settled opinion on whether he was a public danger who needed/deserved to be eliminated by law enforcement authorities.
But "eliminated", in this and similar cases, means lawfully arrested for actual crimes, etc. I grew up in Atriosburg, aka Philadelphia, as you probably know. And the police attack on the MOVE compound on May 13, 1985, permanently aroused my skepticism and contempt for paramilitary law enforcement operations.
The MOVE debacle had most of the same elements, and I don't intend to review it here. I only mean that lots of people afterwards were far too ready, IMO, to find reasons to justify the botched attempt to eliminate MOVE with extreme prejudice.
Of course MOVE was anti-social, preached violent (revolutionary) rhetoric, practiced a weird "return to nature" philosophy such that rotting garbage and untended animal feces flourished in the midst of a respectable, even progressive, neighborhood. MOVE was confrontational and uncompromising.
But all of that in no way justified dropping a bomb on their "compound", then letting the resulting fire burn to a point where the entire neighborhood went up in smoke!
Sorry, it still freaks me out. And that's why I remain deeply skeptical of "surgical strikes", from cops shooting down obviously deranged individuals (SOP in Philly) to paramilitary ops like Ruby Ridge and Waco. Hell, I still think the summary executions of Dillinger and Bonnie & Clyde were reprehensible.
If you've got to take out the bad guy, hire some really smart people to design a clever, minimal-confrontational strategy. Don't roll out the tanks and flame-throwers with some battle plan that almost works until that one little hitch flips the situation into a holocaust.
I well understand that people who are manifestly dangerously bad or mad cannot always be treated with courtesy and respect, and perhaps don't deserve to be. But I cut no slack to duly authorized officials who rush in with a half-assed power play, then justify the mayhem with shrugs, finger-pointing, and a general attitude of, "Well, we gave it a shot!"
• $20 a Z, c. 1970-71. And hash was about five bucks a gram. Hash. My lovely, lovely sweet hashish... God, I miss it.
• Tena, I fully agree with your lament about the infantilization of our culture. As I recently wrote when you pitched a bitched about the use of the term "no-no", I consider the popularity of the expression "X-word" to exemplify this deplorable trend. Hearing adults solemnly intone "the N-word" or "the C-word" gives me the fan-tods.
Tena, during an administrative hearing I attended last week, one party testified that a certain practice was "a no-no".
I had to keep a straight face. But I thought, "If that Tena was here, she'd tear you a new one."
Little Brother - you're right about the "C-word," or the "N- word." Erk.
I think that the ATF, who started the siege, fucked up incredibly badly right from the beginning. It should all have been done differently, perhaps. But I am not comfortable with religious fanatics who are as heavily armed as the Koresh Branch Davidians were.
That's really the extent of what I know for certain. I know Koresh was insane, insisted that he was the Messiah, and there was some indication that he was actively looking for martyrdom.
Little Brother - I would sure have cringed. That's the expression that makes me really crazy.
More bush evil devil hand signs:
Bush does the Satan hand sign
Bush does the Satan hand sign
Oh it is so close to the shocker gesture. Now that would have been hilarious.
I'm fucking sick of these radical red state mullahs with their current events shell games. Don't think about the national debt, war, torture, ss, medicare look Patrick and Spongebob are faggots! War on Christmas! War on Easter!
If you're turned on enough by Sponge Bob to actually begin an anti-gay campaign about it, the elevator's not reaching the top floor.
I bet the plumbing works all the way to the top though.
Seriously, if these people had normal healthy human instincts, and trusted them, they wouldn't be going to fundamentalist churches.
Dobson tells the kids what to believe,
And those who don't like it can leave.
It's the story of Good,
From a frog sportin' wood,
Not the story of Adam and Steve.
Lime Rickey is GOD!
The Christian Right is getting too cocky.
crickets
I once ran a computer lab in a nursing school, where one of the teachers was worried that students would see inappropriate pictures via the Web. Um, if they wanted to see naked people, all they had to do was open their textbooks...
Or their lab coats.......
holy tall blonde venezuelans! surely this was commented on, but manajate! what an inclusive, culturally sensitive swampful of critters!
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Rosita Anita Juanita Buggita Froggita
Tad's cousin from South of the Swamp is a very bright and colorful frog with a very bright and colorful personality. She's flamboyantly fun—though the fruit on her hat is not secured very well and is flung in every direction when she turns her head.
"
Funny how when we're adults - according to the radical clerics - we're personally responsible for our actions - free will? - and heaven forbid that we should blame our environment for shaping our future.. a liberal notion if there ever were one, but when it comes to homosexuality, well, the kids are so vulnerable to the formation of incorrect thoughts, aren't they?
Don't you love how these stupid assholes believe that someone can be TURNED gay?
According to them, gays "recruit" - how incredibly dumb!
"Wonder when the Religious Wrong will notice that there is something extremely sick about those who seriously ascribe sexual identities to children's cartoons. If you're turned on enough by Sponge Bob to actually begin an anti-gay campaign about it, the elevator's not reaching the top floor.
GN"
It blows MY mind that these people are SO obsessed with sex.
Is that because they're not getting any or what they get is lousy?
I am not going to change my position on that. I am dedicated to full rights for homosexuals in America. Anyone who doesn't like that can jump up my ass.
I will not stay in a party that repudiates Democratic ideals.
If you don't like it, "DNC", go be Republican.
Tena
Bravo, Tena - bravo.
I have NO desire to become like the very people I DETEST.
Uncle Phineas (Hopper), the pastor of the local frog church as well as part-time mayor of Hopper's Landing, doesn't seem to be wearing any pants.
Fuck Haloscan, it just zapped me. I'm too pissed to bother trying to recreate it, goddamnit.
Clearly Haloscan isn't up to our level of discourse. How much will improvements cost? I'm in!
Sody water nostalgia, eh? Anyone else remember Super Coola? (may have been spelled with a K) It came in a conical-topped metal can with a screw cap, like the old brake fluid cans (which still look the same, but are now plastic).
This would be the Midwest, 1957 or thereabouts. I've long forgotten what it tasted like, but when I think of it Dr Pepper comes to mind, so maybe it was something like that.
Doozer among Fraggles
It was Dr. Pepper, Doozer. Around 1951 or '2 that was the drink of choice for me and my little brother. The deal was that the cans were coated with wax on the inside, so after a few gulps you could reach your tiny little fingers in and scrape some wax off and then chew it while you finished the drink. Two treats in one if you're a poor kid.
Jeebsus on a hike! That Dobson dude is one sick dude...
Spooge-Dob Santorum-Pants.
Some species of frogs can spontaneously change from one sex to another. Why is Spooge-Dob promoting hermaphrodism to children?
I looked it up, a dobson is a name for a hellgramite, a dobsonfly. Still, I'm never gong to think of the Rev. without thinking of devil's sperm. Serves the dirty minded gantry right.
I contacted The Reverend SpongeDob Stickypants for a comment about the aforementioned alleged porn on his site, but he was unable to speak with me at the time. Apparently, he had a frog in his throat....
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