I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hey Hey (I need to get a life)
Glenn Reynolds is a coward and a liar. He's part of the problem. One would think he'd know better, but sadly, no.
And I can't wait for his little pissants to come here to rage against this unfair criticism of their wingnutty professor.
Deuxieme!
Merde! Troixieme?
Picking Reynolds as WOD is like watching "Groundhog Day".
It's a bit repetitious. Correct, but repetitious none the less.
You have to get up pretty early to outwank Reynolds.
Hey Hey (I need to get a life)
Don't you have some writing to do? 
I can't believe how these guys like Reynolds just continue to make shit up and all of their minions just nod and mutter, "uh huh! uh huh!".
Keep calling 'em on it.
Instawanker- a daily event
for a cheap chicken hawk
Come on, Reynolds is too easy. Less obvious target is needed
Maybe Glenn can do a satirical version of his blog on April 1. You know, for April Fools Day.
Come on, it would be so funny.
Okay DWD - what is that 3xs in two days. But who's counting.
Wankerhack a wanker for the ages.
I agree, too easy.
You should just give Instawanker a permanant spot on the list and retire his number...
Reynolds is supposedly an educated man, a professor, for the love of Yoda, yet he displays a total lack of critical thinking skills.
This is why this fuckwad is destined tof the Duck Pit. Obdurate stupidity.
i'm surprised it took you so long to get to him
Day? Too short.
Week? Too short.
Month? Too short.
Year? You know the answer.
If it weren't for GWBII, it would be the Millenium (at least so far...)
My favorite/most hated thing about GR is that in his personal profile he lists CCR as one of his favorite bands ever.
I'm sure that John Fogerty would enjoy giving Glenn a swift kick in the balls if he knew that Creedence's music had a hand in spawning any of Glenn's "theories".
Can you say, "cognitive dissonance"?
Uhh, yeah, I thought you could...
InstaWanker.
Wanker Emeritus.
Wanker cum laude.
Still pissed that Haloscan ate my well-considered "good morning" post last thread.
Shorter version: 35F (later) and sunny in the 'burgh, SCOTS on the radio, gotta make my kid breakfast, hang in there Backslider, peace, all.
Update: Glenn Reynolds is still a wanker.
ERNEST T. BASS, ESQ
Shouldn't you just call it the "Glenn Reynolds of the Day" and get it done with?
Anyone else notice how he links to potential critics early in their blogging careers to win them over?
The other I've noticed is that when a new Republican scandal breaks out he'll either
a.) link to some lamo rebuttal and say "we killed that meme."
b.) go on one of his annoying digital photography rants.
c.) leave town
Oh BTW:
I have to go out this morning and rent a tux for the "Fur Ball", an annual fundraiser in two weeks for the Animal Protective League here in NE Ohio.
This should be good. If anything I resemble a slightly chunky Rick Moranis. Any of you fashionistas have any tips or suggestions?
Heh. Just realized. I'm picturing GR with Tucker's bow-tie.
Can we create a Bowtie award for Wanker of the Day?
Cleveland Bob,
Yea that really sucks when a lowlife
rethug references as an influence an artist who would hate everything the thug stands for....I always wonder
how musicians feel about Rush playing their songs. Probably like shit...
ClevelandBob:
If you are not tall and thin, avoid double-breasted attire entirely...
NTodd:
I am actually stuck in the middle of about two or three books right now. Nothing is giving me the sign to go ahead. I have about twenty thousand words done on my second coming book. (Jesus comes back as a small boy of mixed heritage -- and he is not very happy with people doing awful things in his name) Another thirty thousand on another, and an idea about some sort of gentle love story. But it is hard to write with so much worrying about our world. I know I should not consider it as I do: I cannot change it, though I keep trying. But it does permeate our existence to the point where it sort of shuts out creativity (as Quiltlady noted earlier)
That seems unfair. Name a day when Reynolds isn't the biggest wanker of the day. I thought he was retired for competition so other fresh- faced young wankers could have a go at it.
CB- Just no brown shoes or ruffly shirts.
Other than that, I'm sure you'll look dashing.
felonius,
Rush uses Chrissie's "My City was Gone" as his opening theme song and has for years. Particularly painful for NE Ohioans.
She tried to sue him I guess, but to no avail.
What a fuckbag he is.
Does anybody else think it is out of line for G-dog to poke fun of someone else's looks? That "bookjacket" photo with the double-bellied suit, the GQ lean and the Einstein starter haircut is just choice. He really should consider something more fitting, like the professorial herringbone jacket with leather elbows and a pipe filled with Captain Black.
Oh, and no weird cumberbunds - no plaid or some weird color to match your date's dress. I always thought that looked silly.
Think "classic".
Bill Gates gave George Bush a LOT of money so he could cut taxes and screw us all.
So read this!
Bill says he is ditching the dollar for Euros
Jan. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Gates, the world's richest person with a net worth of $46.6 billion, is betting against the U.S. dollar.
``I'm short the dollar,'' Gates, chairman of Microsoft Corp., told Charlie Rose in an interview in front of an audience of about 200 at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. ``The ol' dollar, it's gonna go down.''
Gates's comments reflect the same view as his friend Warren Buffett, the billionaire investor who has bet against the currency since 2002. Buffett said last week that the country's trade gap will probably further weaken the dollar, which fell 21 percent against a basket of six major currencies between January 2002 and the end of last year.
``It is a bit scary,'' Gates said. ``We're in uncharted territory when the world's reserve currency has so much outstanding debt.''
I can't wait until the FOIA requests start coming back in - I'd like to cross reference a few with InstaHack's bank account.
ARRRRGH.
The stupid morons who brought this disaster, the very rich who campaigned to cut their GODDAMN TAXES are now abandoning ship and leaving us with this stinking pile of shit to clean up while they sail off to party somewhere else.
Note my dark musings this morning.
They CANNOT ESCAPE MOTHER NATURE. She is the ultimate huntress. She and only she is the true annihilator, she holds the thunderbolt in one hand and her step shakes the earth violently and when she throws down her hand, vast walls of water spring up.
She is inescapable.
Talk about disengenuous fuckwits! From instacracker's article:
"ANOTHER UPDATE: Various lefty readers email to say that Ward Churchill is not the authentic face of the Left.
I wish I agreed with that. But, sadly, he is its very image today."
This is the very essence of one of the wingnuts' favorite tactics. Pretend to be all about "moderation," "tolerance," or "compassion" with one side of their mouths while lying about progressives with the other.
Glenn Reynolds knows damn well that one ultra-radical Marxist nut does not represent the left. Yet he contributes to that false picture while weeping crocodile tears about how "sad" it is. This may be the most disgusting thing I've seen from a very disgusting man. Time for some direct action?
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The simpler and more classic the tux, the better you'll look. Almost all men look good in simple black tuxes. Think horizontal lines (braces) and avoid vertical lines (wide cumberbunds). Course, if you've got the courage to pull off a formal kilt, that's even better. Just sayin'
Mmmmmm... men in kilts.
Ntodd:
Want to see how the sickness starts? Read on, McDuff . . .
Disillusionment died on a hot, still August night. It did not end with a whimper or sigh as such things often do. Nor did it end with a caress as gentle as the light winds that touched the men's cheeks that night. Rather, it was blown away with the decisiveness that can only be brought about by high explosives.
Reverend Billy Paul Thatcher looked deeply into her eyes – pale blue pools that seemed to be illuminated by an inner source. Her mascara and eye shadow, though a tad on the heavy side, had the effect of making her seem as if she were in a constant state of surprise. Her ersatz blonde hair fell in cascades about her shoulders. She was naked. In that moment, he reached an epiphany . . . again. For, in truth, Reverend Thatcher enjoyed many such moments. In his skewed view of the world, he saw himself and his people as being the rightful rulers of the mass of sinners and disciples of the Dark Lord. In this moment, he understood, again, that his world: the world fabricated of the dross of dreams, was the only proper reality. He saw the world as it was supposed to be: their man had just won re-election to the Presidency, the war against the infidels – the true devils – was progressing, the niggers and faggots would not be receiving anything from this government. Those evil, money-grubbing, corrupt liberals were finally getting their due. Glancing at her nakedness and her eyes that told of her excitement of being able to pleasure him, he knew that his reward was not only in heaven: but in the temporal world as well. He was pleased beyond all measure that his needs were being illicitly met once more. Not that he would have understood the vile nature of his domination: for he perceived such perquisites as meet and just.
Bill Gates was against Al Gore because of the court cases concerning Microsoft being a monopoly.
Bush loves interlocking monopolies/cartels so long as they pay tribute to the GOP so Gates gave him tons of money and free publicity etc.
Now that Bill Gates is even flithier richer, he now has the comfort zone to tell us all to stuff it, he is OUTTA HERE...I suppose he will move to France.
Har.
Grinding teeth.
Instahack better be paid by the GOP or he is a moron.
dwd-nice. build him up and tear him down. the story will write itself...
InstaWanker.
Wanker Emeritus.
Wanker cum laude.
Glenn Reynolds - Putting the wank in wanker.
Alleging responsibility for war crimes and torture at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison, a human rights group has filed a criminal complaint in Germany against US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and other top US officials.
The New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and Berlin's Republican Lawyers' Association said they and five Iraqi citizens mistreated by US soldiers were seeking a probe by German federal prosecutors of leading US policymakers.
They said they had chosen Germany because of its Code of Crimes Against International Law, introduced in 2002, which grants German courts universal jurisdiction in cases involving war crimes or crimes against humanity.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/
articl...1413907,00.html
Apparently Rumsfeld is taking it seriously enough that he's avoiding Germany too:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/
articl...1465263,00.html
juxtapose the holy public face with the disconnected sinful bastard, it's almost stereostypical, but if you write it well enough you might pull it off
That's OT, by the way.
What must his classes be like? Perhaps he's the law professor cranking out all the ambulance-chasing ethics-indifferent lawyers. You know the real sad thing about our mental inferiors (rightists) is that you don't need to go to the ideological hinterlands to find quotes that prove their citizenship should be revoked or reviewed until they take a high school civics class. They control all aspects of the government at present and still sound like lazy arrogant idiots.
He dies on page three, I think. En flagrante delicto (French spelling sucks) but it does sort of write itself - but in a weird sort of way, it is really depressing for it forces the consideration from the subconscious to the conscious. Anyone who has been attempting to write as long as I have is aware of the interplay of SC and C thought. Guess that is why writers are substance abusers of one sort or another. (sigh)
Get a load of this, the newest in repression, Press Minders, that monitor you at all times...even into the can.
Isn't that one of their arguments for invading Eye-Rack?
But he has an Instawife, who probably puts up with an Instapenis.
Glen Reynolds is a fucking hack who is not fit or talneted enough to lick the bottoms of Ward Churchill's shoes, either as a scholar or as a man...
cleveland bob, ignore all the advice about going for the classic look. find yourself a vintage 1977 prom tux in powder blue with white piping. make sure it has extra large lapels and make sure the pants are flared. wear shoes with a stacked sole and a zipper.
Olaf - You left out the part where he need to grow some pork chop sideburns.
OGB
Hell yeah.
Okay, here's a free gift, or .gif, for everyone:
http://www.tomsmithonline.com/images/wotd.gif
But he has an Instawife, who probably puts up with an Instapenis.
I'm guessing the only thing "insta" about it is the "instaejaculation", formally known as PES
Ward Chuchill is totally right on!!!
Mmmmmm... men in kilts.
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Mmmmmm. . .indeed. What better to contemplate on a lazy Saturday morn.
As to those in the World Trade Center . . . Well, really. Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire–the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved–and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance"–a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore"–counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in–and in many cases excelling at–it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants.
SO TRUE!!!
Oliver Willis takes down Mr. Wanker for the same comments, but in more detail.
Mmmmmm... men in kilts.
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Mmmmmm. . .indeed. What better to contemplate on a lazy Saturday morn.
QuiltLady in NY | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 10:54 am
Ummm... women in quilts?
Hecate - he can't wear kilts because then he'd have to wear a sporran, and wearing a sporran to the 'Fur Ball' sounds like a not so good idea.
Plain black broadcloth, and you're looking for a dinner jacket, not a tuxedo. I hope.
I actually have no idea who ward churchill is, but as I've never heard of him I can safely assume that he isn't in fact the leader of the left.
So Oliver Willis has never heard of Ward Churchill, so he's not a representative of 'the left.' Oliver, if the shoe doesnt fit, DONT WEAR IT. In the meantime, konopelli thinks ward churchill is the shit, and so do a lot of other people including the faculty of the school where he teaches and the thousands who bought his book.
Will we stop hearing about all these right-wing whack jobs cherry picked by Atrios now??? I doubt it.
I actually have no idea who ward churchill
Beaver Churchill's dad?
reynolds winning wanker of the day is sort of like keith richards winning a keith richards lookalike contest. it isn't really fair to the other contestants if he is allowed to compete.
Get a load of this, the newest in repression, Press Minders, that monitor you at all times...even into the can.
Amazing, Attaturk. And once again, the story is broken by the WP style section. Are they on fire lately or what? Cheney's faux pas yesterday, and now this?
SO TRUE!!!
ulrike meinhof
Churchill's prose (if that is whom the passage quotes) is in no wise especially different from the logic applied by the Bushies to the invasion of Iraq, isn't it??? "They brought it on themselves": The 9/11 dead by their complicity in the project of capitalist, colonialist exploitation, the Iraqis by their inability to dispatch Saddam Hussein. That is, also: Dead USers are no more sanctified than dead Iraqis. Are they?
Glenn Reynolds, why haven't you enlisted you god damn pussy?
Hasn't Reynolds transcended such trivial titles as 'Wanker of the Day'? Shouldn't his URL be retired and hung in the rafters or something? Maybe he deserves some kind of Lifetime Wanking/Achievement Award...
Why can't ERNEST T. single me out, yesterday I said Kathryn J. Lopez looked like a groundhog...
...I guess that makes me accurate instead of deranged
I actually have no idea who ward churchill is, but as I've never heard of him I can safely assume that he isn't in fact the leader of the left.
Only he wasnt called the 'leader of the left.' He was called 'its very image' which I too disagree with. He's more the very image of many Atrios readers (note konopelli above who thinks Churchill is CORRECT!)
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WGG,
Clearly, our teutonic troll has no idea what the sticker on you says....
I'm just gonna sit back now.
Ward Churchill says a great many smart things... I especially love his diatribe on racist sports mascots.
He is problematic in that he positions himself as a leading Native American spokesman, yet for some odd reason can't seem to produce any tribal affiliation papers. So many Indian writers, thinkers, and activists don't quite trust him...
I didn't say he was "correct" (though the only way to dismiss his analysis is to resort to blatantly emotional, anti-intellectual attacks). I said his analysis of 9/11 parallels, discursively, the logic applied by the leaders of the RIGHT to justify their acts, not merely their analysis...
Ward Churchill says a great many smart things..
Read the passage above. You should run screaming from this man. But no, "he says a great many smart things." there you have it.
so meinhof, there is one person on this leftist blog who has heard of ward churchill and that person agrees with him. how does that make him "the very image of the left"?
Ward Churchill says a great many smart things..
Read the passage above. You should run screaming from this man. But no, "he says a great many smart things." there you have it.
Strangely, I don't let random people on comment boards choose whom I read, or decide what I think about them.
But that's just me. I must be a commie.
Olaf so far we have two people. One of whom thinks he is awesome, and one who thinks he just "says a great many smart things."
Hey Glenn...
I thought you wanted to...
Celebrate Diversity?
(just to clarify, Churchill says a great many things with which I disagree. I have yet to find any writer with whom I agree 100% of the time. But that doesn't mean he doesn't get it right a lot of the time...)
ok. two. how does that make him "the very image of the left"?
given the results of the last election i think it would be hard to argue that anyone other than john kerry is anything like "the very image of the left".
Rors:
As a westerner, even a belag'ana (white guy), may I attest that there are thousands of honestly, authentically "native' folks walking around who are not registered or enrolled members of recognized tribes? The fact that Churchill is not enrolled does not, to me at least, diminish the strength of his positions or their (dare I say 'objective'?) descriptive power...
WGG--
I know, and I share your feelings. Just pointing out that he may be a bit disingenuous in claiming Native subjectivity, and that this makes a lot of other Indian writers wary of him. "Playing Indian" has a long and unpleasant history.
but of course in glen's world, "the left" can't be a broad based coalition. it has to be small sinister cabal of america hating sabateurs.
He's got the Instawife, with big boobs.
He's a car, camera, cooking and music expert.
A true renaissance man, a man for all seasons, or maybe a man for all terrible reasons (he never met a right wing explanation he didn't like).
"the left" can't be a broad based coalition. it has to be small sinister caba
Will there be punch and pie?
I agree with Winston Smith, Reynolds deserves a lifetime achievement award for being a wanker and Bush junta tool.
More people will come if they think we have punch and pie...
"The references to Kennedy and Boxer are self-evident tripe. The blogger in question, for anyone who is new to blogs, used the phrase in reference to a particular incident involving mercenaries (taking exception, what I called military contractors), not to U.S. military casualties in general. Not quite the same thing, is it? And he happens to be an actual military veteran, unlike the wingnutty professor."
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LOL!! This is what Atrios links to and calls criticism??? He is going to have to do better than calling the criticism of Kennedy and Boxer "self evident tripe", he needs to support that statement. Oh, and since he has to justify his stance on calling the contracters "mercenaries" to justify his bullshit stance, he is pretty much way, way out in left field (and as usual, out of touch) with the situation.
Damn Atrios, quit being lazy and write your own critiques of your "enemies" instead of taking the cowards way out and linking to mental midgets like that clown.
of course there will be punch and pie.
Attaturk,
Blogwhore supreme! Excellent link, my friend. Bu$h will not relent untill all the U.S. press corp has been turned into Pravda, and it's almost there anyway. Now, if minder shows up at my house to mind my internets blogging, I'll have to think about arming myself to the teeth.
I agree with Winston Smith, Reynolds deserves a lifetime achievement award for being a wanker and Bush junta tool.
Shorter Winston Smith:
"Instapundit, he's double plus good!"
Thanks all for the tux advice. I'm off to the Tux Junction or some such pithy equivalent.
Olaf glad and big, thanks for the '77 insights. I'm afraid however that my wife clearly instructed me that if I return with anything from the Disco Stu collection, there'd be hell to pay.
I'll update later with my selection for all you kilt fetish droolers.
Oh, and btw, listening to Pere Ubu's "The Modern Dance" with a bad Saturday morning hangover is NOT a good idea.
WGG,
Clearly, our teutonic troll has no idea what the sticker on you says....
I'm just gonna sit back now.
NYMary
I have lymned my last response to Fraulein Meinhof, ceteris paribus. You'll have recognized the 'naym' as that of the co-leader of a gang violent, late-60s European anarchists, the Bader-Meinhof group. This is supposed, one guesses, to be a snide appropriation, an inside joke, and an effort to discredit our discourse by sticking this intentionally provocative "naym" into the mix...One does wish sometimes that the trools actually had a brain among them...
Does Ann Coulter represent the "very image of the right", then? I mean, hell...she's got a book deal, national column and television appearances, and she's advocated destroying private property because she disagrees with them, executing someone to "scare" liberals and forcably converting a population to another religion.
How about Michael Savage? Or Limbaugh? Or the yay-hoo who wrote that the whole "Desperate Housewives" nonsense was evidence of America's ignorance to the dangers of "racial impurity"? Is that the image of the right?
What a completely fucking stupid concept. Sheesh...
Thanks BigVic,
You'll like this old chestnut then...
Ballad of the 101st Keyboarders
...nka The Green DeLays
I see WC's teaching at Colorado these days, and really going on about his background. Thus - " This brings up a personal hook in addition to my intellectual motives. It comes with the fact that I am myself of Muscogee and Creek descent on my father’s side, Cherokee on my mother’s, and am an enrolled member of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians."
The UKB - well. I'm not sure you actually can be 'enroled' by the UKB. On another occasion, speaking to the Univ of Arkansas, (along with John Ross), Churchill says he was 'invited to become an associate member of the UKB'. Okay. Speaking purely as just about as much Cherokee as Churchill claims for himself, it's probably reasonable to say that UKB is to being an Oklahoma Cherokee as Opus Dei is to being a Sunday Catholic. He does seem to get an awful lot of mileage out of it.
One does wish sometimes that the trools actually had a brain among them...
WoodyGuthrie'sGuitar (aka kono | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 11:23 am
Oh, you mad, foolish, sweet boy. Your innocence does my heart good.
Yes, I know it's you I'm talking about, Kono.
"quit being lazy and write your own critiques of your "enemies" instead of taking the cowards way out and linking "
sorry. I will aspire to be less like glenn reynolds in the future.
WGG,
Yes, but didn't she commit suicide in prison because the other anarchists didn't like her or something like that? That's what I remember reading anyway...
Aw, in the interest of full disclosure, I guess I really ought to add that Reynolds has answered a couple of my e-mails and always been really nice. I think blogging sometimes allows some of one's worst characteristics to come to the fore...
I should know...
"quit being lazy and write your own critiques of your "enemies" instead of taking the cowards way out and linking "
sorry. I will aspire to be less like glenn reynolds in the future.
Atrios
Indeed.
I see goat dot stupidass is back. Hey jackoff - just for the record I disagree with everything the obscure Ward Churchill wrote in the quoted passage. Put that in your highly scientific poll.
Every time you troll, the mask slips a little more. You pretend to be anti-Bush and concerned about the left, but your obsessions with Juan Cole, Naomi Klein, and now Ward Churchill demonstrate that you just get your marching orders from the same wingnut sources as the trolls less "clever" than you.
Oh, and your "tell?" 1. Post ultra-ironic one-liner. 2. Expand on it when nobody bites. 3. Full on troll mode when nobody bites. Be sure to work in some kind of "scholarly" historical reference so we all know how smart you are.
One could almost time this process, but I suppose you can't help yourself. That is, after all, the very definition of mental illness. Oh, and the reason nobody bites on your first and second posts? Be assured that we get it - it's just that in those cases your posts don't merit a response because you aren't making an argument.
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Every time Atrios posts about Glenn Reynolds, my heart leaps a little, thinking he means Glen Baxter. Oh, well.
http://tinyurl.com/4ofbf
Yes, but, but, ulrike may be hiding her identity which we all know is the worst possible crime now known. Her 'homepage' is showing as http://faculty.plattsburgh.edu/ amy.bass/images/huey_newton.JPG but gosh, that may just be the very image of the left being presented to we few, we hapless few.
I didn't say he was "correct" (though the only way to dismiss his analysis is to resort to blatantly emotional, anti-intellectual attacks). I said his analysis of 9/11 parallels, discursively, the logic applied by the leaders of the RIGHT
ANyone wanna translate? I left my english/doublethink dictionary at work.
Gonna go walk the dogs...
The Cat Song?
Gemini...a kids' group
The refrain of which was "Neither can I but my cat can..."
Just listening to KUNM, for the information of our cat-folk...
Lyrics:
Cat Song
© 1989 Laszlo Slomovits ASCAP
Can you see in the dark when it's black as coal? No!
Neither can I, but my cat can!
Can you stare without blinking for over an hour?
Can you shimmy to the treetop in two seconds flat?
Can you fall 20 yards and land on your feet?
'Cause she's an acrobat, an aristocrat,
She acts like a spoiled brat.
She hides my socks and hides my hat
And a whole lot more than that!
Can you purrrrrrr like a motor and not use your mouth? No!
Neither can I, but my cat can.
Can you walk on dry leaves and not make a sound?
Can you file your nails by scratching on a tree?
Can you stand up to a dog ten times your size?
'Cause she's no scaredy cat, no diplomat
Who'll chit-chat or chew the fat.
She makes my home her habitat
And keeps it clear of mouse and rat!
That's my song about my cat!
That's my song about my cat!
That's that!
Thanks, Attaturk. You're the best.
"I can't believe how these guys like Reynolds just continue to make shit up and all of their minions just nod and mutter, 'uh huh! uh huh!'."
deja pseu 01.29.05 - 10:01 am
Think back to high school.
Fielding, I think Juan Cole is right on with much of what he writes. I noted with great happiness that Professor Cole now endorses a wall along the green line, as well as a complete withdrawal of settlements from the occupied territories. What's not to like?
Wow, I'm pretty clear on the whole rhetorical technique vs. valid content thing.
But then I'm not a troll.
"Does Ann Coulter represent the "very image of the right", then? I mean, hell...she's got a book deal, national column and television appearances, and she's advocated destroying private property because she disagrees with them, executing someone to "scare" liberals and forcably converting a population to another religion.
How about Michael Savage? Or Limbaugh? Or the yay-hoo who wrote that the whole "Desperate Housewives" nonsense was evidence of America's ignorance to the dangers of "racial impurity"? Is that the image of the right?"
That's the very "image of the right."
They are a pack of ignorant, psychotic fucktards.
I didn't say he was "correct" (though the only way to dismiss his analysis is to resort to blatantly emotional, anti-intellectual attacks). I said his analysis of 9/11 parallels, discursively, the logic applied by the leaders of the RIGHT
ANyone wanna translate? I left my english/doublethink dictionary at work.
If you need a dictionary to understand this simple notion, than no amount of "translation" will help you...
Major storm now, flat out, right overhead in Phoenix, moving northeast pretty fast. Folks need to keep their heads down now, it looks like it's carrying a lot of moisture.
Off to Trader Joe's.
NYMary, by doublethink I meant of course that while WGG says he didn't say Churchill was "correct" for saying that WTC employees got what's coming to them, he also thinks it can't be countered without resorting to anti-intellectual attacks. Pity he's done lymning, so we may never resolve this seeming contradiction.
It's spelled "cummerbund" folks...oddly from Hindi, via Persia. How topical.
though the only way to dismiss his analysis is to resort to blatantly emotional, anti-intellectual attacks
Is this the only way to dismiss what Churchill writes? This sounds very much like a non-denial to me.
Instawanker is no different than all the other Bu$h defenders. Hooking onto Shrub's (death) Star is suicidal to any shred of credibility wanker may have once had. 10 years from now, if Reynolds goes back and reads his own hackery, he will be appalled. Or at least he should be.
Wanker of the DAY? Is that all? Glenn Reynolds should get an award for Lifetime Achievement in Wanking.
My understanding of WGG's assertion was simply that your bogeyman identified some of the employees of the WTC as being engaged in the sort of behavior their killers deemed worthy of execution. By the standards of Al Qaeda, not everyone who died deserved to do so, but some did, and that's enough.
That's the same argument one hears on the right about the 100,000+ dead Iraqis. Some might have been guilty.
Parallel structure, not parallel validity.
I actually have no idea who ward churchill is, but as I've never heard of him I can safely assume that he isn't in fact the leader of the left.
You just haven't been to the meetings.
And don't think it hasn't been noticed, comrade...
NYMary--Just added your place to my blogroll, by the way.
Anyone wanna translate? I left my english/doublethink dictionary at work.
Just call Unka Karl. He'll be happy to drop it by.
rorschach,
Thanks! My blog is deeply dumb, but that's ok. Everyone needs to decompress sometimes.
That's the very "image of the right."
They are a pack of ignorant, psychotic fucktards.
A bit understated, but I agree.
Parallel structure, not parallel validity.
NYMary
Slam! Will the little goldfish variously known as goat dot cx/ erishum/ ulrike continue to swim in the piranha pool? Oh, who am I kidding? This wanker will be here for hours..
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My blog is deeply dumb, but that's ok
NYMary,
Nuh, uh. Beside, we get to see baby Thers and her cute little hat. BTW, MSNBC had some drivel on last night about the (((dangers))) of baby blogging. Great tips, like never give out baby's full name, address and SS #. Oy.
"thinkers" on the "Right" have their little minds so walled up that anyone who dare suggest anything threatening to their nice warm little thought-cave is a heretic whose blasphemy is so self evident that it must tar all those within a twenty foot thought-radius. it must be real sweet putting all of those whose politics differ from yours into a little box, like the "Left," and never even have to consider the distinctions between them.
i am not going to renounce churchill, he is free to speak his mind as is ann coulter or rush limbaugh. is ann coulter the face of the "Right?" is eric rudolph the poster boy for the new conservative? does amren.com form the intellectual foundation for the "Right?" i don't expect my poltical opponents to apologize for every cracker who dons a KKK uniform, and i won't apologize for any individual, who by some unexplained proxy, i am affiliated with by a law professor with a political axe to grind. fuck him.
Actually, Reynolds is par for the course for anyone associated with the University of Tennessee. Exactly what you would expect from a UT "intellectual".
What a joke!
Couldn't you memorialize the uber wankerness in the "Professor Wingnutty Award?" Top scoring wankers could be awarded the PWA for lifetime achievement (wanker emeritus). This will keep the wanker of the day/month/year competition fresh by allowing Professor Wingnutty to perpetually bask in the glow of wanker achievement while providing a measure for new talent.
There could be multiple categories of competition including:
The Professor Wingnutty award for flagrant missuse of facts,
The Professor Wingnutty award for just plain makin' shit up,
and so on.
bigvic,
SS#? Who would do such a thing? Actually, a friend warned me about the pic I posted weeks ago of Little Thersites in the bathtub, said it could be construed as porn, despite the (actual, not photoshopped) conveniently placed bubbles. I gaped. But then, I don't really have a "porn" mind, I guess.
I hate instapundit because he has more readers than my dear leader, Duncan.
If not for the hate, WOULD ESCHATONIANS EVEN EXIST?
"If you had your way, Saddam would still be in power." Yes, if I had my way, Saddam would probably still be in power. And ten thousand American families would not be suffering. That's an easy call.
Max says it eloquently don't he? I wish the Democrats had the nerve to say the same.
As fer the Pro fesser, he's the guy we have to fight - he and a couple of others of his ilk get away with making specious, lying arguments that make their way into the mainstream - this crap should be refuted non-stop - there have to be letter writing campaigns to the media - this bile/drivel cannot be allowed to be thought of as conventional wisdom - It's the right that is imploding (as Christine Todd-Whitman notes in her book), not the left as Reynolds suggests - and what's the big deal about Moore anyway? He's the equivalent of an op-ed opinion writer; why should he be shunned for expressing his opinions? These people hate free speech when they disagree with what was said. Cheney hangs out with Rush for pity's sake. Now that's scandalous!
New game, whack-a-wanker. You make up the rules
If not for the hate, WOULD ESCHATONIANS EVEN EXIST?
eschatonian | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 12:13 pm | #
I don't hate anybody and I somehow manage to exist. At least I think I do. I suppose it's possible I'm the figment of someone else's imagination. You, my good sir, seem to have a good deal of bile yourself. That what keep you going?
your bogeyman identified some of the employees of the WTC as being engaged in the sort of behavior their killers deemed worthy of execution.
The WTC employees were doing something the killers deemed worthy of execution? Obviously, but what was it? Why does Churchill seem very much to agree that they were? Why does Konopelli sorta-not-disagree with Churchill?
Churchill's comments were made well before the Iraq war so your 'parallel argument' is peculiar indeed. Churchill's argument resembles your paraphrase not in the least. He's not claiming SOME of the WTC workers were guilty (to you: are any?? of what??) He's claiming they were all part of the wall street war machine and therefore all valid targets.
More elaborate convoluted apologising and wagon-circling. Konopelli can't bring himself to say Churchill was wrong. Neither can you. This is telling.
Sort of OT
Kossian bornadem
may have found "Jeff Gannon".
At that address is James P Mcfarland. A prior address search shows him living in State College, PA from 83-85. That's where Penn State is located. "Gannon's Bio" lists him as a Penn State grad.
Active Address(es):
JAMES PATRICK MCFARLAND - 616 E CAPITOL ST NE APT 3, WASHINGTON DC 20003-
1240, 60;D.C. COUNTY (Sep 1991 - Dec 2004)
prior adresses:
Address Summary:
11303 SUNSET HILLS RD, RESTON VA 20190-5223, FAIRFAX COUNTY (Nov 198
218 N HOWARD ST, ALEXANDRIA VA 223042342, ALEXAND
RIA CITY COUNTY (Apr 1985)
124 HAMILTON AVE, STATE COLLEGE PA (Apr 1984)
112 W HAMILTON AVE, STATE COLLEGE PA 16801-5216, CENTRE COUNTY (Jan 1983)
They also found a Christian youth minister with the same name and hair do.
It's the right that is imploding (as Christine Todd-Whitman notes in her book), not the left as Reynolds suggests
Up is down, down is up.
And so, having been smacked around, our little pal resorts to posting as "eschatonian." Countdown to poopy-doo-doo posts: 3.. 2.. 1..
BTW, Chomksy weighs in on your favorite obsession. Chew on this, buddy.
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That's the same argument one hears on the right about the 100,000+ dead Iraqis. Some might have been guilty.
This is exactly the kind of lazy misrepresentation typical of the readers of this blog.
More elaborate convoluted apologising and wagon-circling. Konopelli can't bring himself to say Churchill was wrong. Neither can you. This is telling.
ulrike meinhof
It never ends with these guys.
And so, having been smacked around
Fielding, as dumb as you are, at least you're smart enough to recognize that churchill is an asshole. Please help me convince rorschach and konopelli.
Clicking on Jim McFarland's link on the church page gives his email
jmcfarland007@yahoo.com
bwahahahah
Oh, and Asvestus is an ass, but he's right about self-evident tripe about Kennedy and Boxer - It's self-evident to us - It's up to us to make the arguments for why this should be self-evident to all - they are patriots - servants of the voters but the media doesn't paint them that way - Massachusets Liberal was used as a slur during the '04 eloctoral campaign - this is the crap we have to rebut - not just share within the confines of echo chambers; no offense to anyone - I truly enjoy reading most of the bloggers here - so much so that I rarely post anymore - but we have to start letter writing campaigns - we have to get truly organized - the left can't afford to be a disparate bunch of interest groups working for different causes - we all have to get in the same boat and row together
So...if leftists are responsible for Ward Churchill, are rightest responsible for every raving looney-tune on their side of the aisle? I mean, what I'm getting here is that there's not enough condemnation for one dingbat who wrote some dumbass, holier-than-thou screed three years ago, is that the problem? If it is, why don't conservatives spend every waking moment condemning nasty characters like Michael Savage or Coulter?
Here and I always thought people were responsible for their own words, not the words of others that may think the same. Is this sorta like every Southerner being the moral equivalent of the worst Klansman? Is that what you two (one, perhaps) cats are saying?
um,
No, I happen not to agree with Churchill, in fact. But arguments occur within structures, and structurally these two are the same. Some people in the WTC were involved in the capitalist system. Some people in the WTC to whom I am related were involved in the capitalist system. AQ identified capitalism as the bad guy, therefore the WTC was a legitimate target, in their minds. This is a similar argument to that made by many who dismiss the Iraqi war dead. Some Iraqis supported Saddam. Assuming one buys the murderous rationale (American capialism must be destroyed, Saddam must be destroyed), all the dead are excusable, from a rhetorical perspective. I am a teacher of rhetoric. One does not need to agree with an argument to analyze it.
On the other hand, I haven't heard you condemn the war. By your logic, I should argue that you must necessarily support maiming children. I have not done so.
So...if leftists are responsible for Ward Churchill, are rightest responsible for every raving looney-tune on their side of the aisle?
No of course not! Posts like Instapundit's are idiotic. But Atrios is guilty of the same behavior all the time.
"lazy misrepresentation"
ulrike meinhof:
do you renounce reynold's lazy misrepresentation of the "Left?"
if you have disdain for lazy misrepresentations you would have to agree that conflating churchill and barbara boxer is a particularly startling example of lazy misrepresentation.
Whoa, my bad. We've actually got 2 trolls. I must decline your invitation, ulrike. Rorschach and Kono have every right to think for themselves, and it wouldn't be right to further your goal here.
Which is, of course, to kick up a big shitstorm about an obscure, nutty writer and then claim that leftists are obsessed with him, citing this thread as proof. Silly little troll.
BTW, find your citation for that "Juan Cole loves the Green Line wall" assertion yet?
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NYMAry, I'm not interested in what animated al qaeda. I'm interested in what animates ward churchill to sympathise with them completely (although if it's because they are 'anti capitalist' i have some bad news for him). churchills statements had nothing to do with the war on iraq.
Milwaukee Election Fraud May Still Not Convince Dem Governor On Reform
Wisconsin voters have reacted with alarm and outrage over the incompetence and fraud in the Milwaukee election. State legislators also want to ensure that this fiasco doesn't repeat itself, and plan on introducing a new requirement for a state-issued photo ID to cast a ballot. Unfortunately for the real voters, the Democratic governor apparently wants to keep the system just the way it is:
The mounting evidence this week of irregularities in Milwaukee has caused concern around Wisconsin that will result in new pressure for reform, said Rep. Jeff Stone (R-Greendale), one of the authors of the photo ID bill, which is to be introduced Monday.
State residents may worry about their votes being, in effect, negated because of questions surrounding thousands of votes in Milwaukee, he said.
Lawmakers tried tightening the security on elections in 2003, but Governor Jim Doyle vetoed the bill. The Assembly did not have the votes to override the veto, and with Doyle openly opposing the bill in this session, no one knows of any new votes to override his expected encore with the veto pen.
The bill now has 30 co-sponsors and the momentum of a scandal to put pressure on Doyle, but one has to wonder why he would support voting reform. After all, Milwaukee is the Democratic power base for Wisconsin; Kerry topped Bush by over 120,000 votes in 277,000 cast, when he only won the state by 11,000. Restoring sanity to elections in Wisconsin would do nothing to change the political environment in Milwaukee, but it could have a devastating effect on Democrats running for state office -- like Doyle's.
It appears that these calculations weigh heavily on Doyle's mind, instead of ensuring fair and competent elections for his constituents. Wisconsin residents should express their sentiments directly to Doyle and their Assembly representatives to make sure they understand that Doyle's calculations represent bad math, bad policy, and bad politics.
if in fact you do agree that reynold's screed is a lazy misrepresenation why does it behoove anyone to respond to it?
No of course not! Posts like Instapundit's are idiotic. But Atrios is guilty of the same behavior all the time.
ulrike meinhof | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 12:32 pm | #
Soooo...what's your point? Did I miss something, or did Atrios and Instapundit cease to be two random yay-hoos with blogs, political ideologies and the urge to combine the two not unlike peanut butter and chocolate, and become two All-Power Fonts Of Wisdom And Knowledge? I mean, they're just bloggers, for Christ's sake, they're not even held to the same standards we (ideally, granted) hold journalists. It's just two dudes giving links and opinions.
Atrios calls Instapundit a dick, and Instapundit calls Atrios a dick. Maybe they're both dicks. What exactly do you get from this? What do you hope to accomplish? And, frankly, why exactly should anyone pay any attention to you whatsoever?
Fielding, the petition was printed on a full page ad in wither the NY Times or the wall street journal last week and was signed by 30 or 40 prominent academics and politicians including cole. Not everything is googleable; I know that's a problem for people like you. Why don't you write him and ask? He's a very friendly, approachable guy.
Maybe they're both dicks.
ahAAAA the asymptotic approach to truth at work!
OK, new rule (for me, anyway. I have no real love for making nonsensical rules to force others to follow):
I am a real human being. I will no longer respond to people who aren't.
Plus, I respect my fellow Eschatonians (as opposed to "eschatonian") too much to suck up space like this. Besides, I have enough benighted shit to deal with teaching my students to recognize rhetorical parallels. I can't give it away for free. If a person cannot make a simple distinction between structure and content, there's no point.
Cheerio, fellas. Happy hunting!
How long does unemployment last?/and maybe Bush wasn't watching the latest Senate votes (sorry for being off topic)
STRATFORD
News that Sikorsky Aircraft lost its bid for the new presidential helicopter contract outraged state politicians and stunned union officials.
"They're disheartened. They're disappointed," said Harvey Jackson, president of Teamsters Local 1150, which represents more than 5,000 of Sikorsky's 9,000 workers. Jackson said this decision doesn't herald the end of the company, it was just a tough loss.
Connecticut's two senators, in a conference call, expressed outrage at the decision and said they'll do everything in their power to reverse it.
Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., said he plans to demand that the secretary of the Navy meet with the state's congressional delegation to explain the decision.
The real question is, how much did the Bush admnistration pay Reynolds to say those things?
NYMary--I'm with you! This troll is going on and on about trying to "convince" me and kono of something, without knowing the first thing about argument, and also without leveling a single argument itself.
So, yes, we shouldn't give away free rhetorical lessons...
ahAAAA the asymptotic approach to truth at work!
ulrike meinhof | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 12:38 pm | #
Perhaps, but I still fail to see the point in this whole excercise. Anyone who thinks either Atrios or Instapundit is anything but a random yay-hoo with a blog and plenty of drive probably has plenty of problems otherwise. So you say they're falible and human. What a shocker. And why the needless digressing over how great you think other's think the Churchill character is, mainly because of the sophistic word games you're playing.
You're ether, aren't you.
NYMAry is constructing parallels to events that hadn't happened yet on behalf of someone who wouldn't even agree with those parallels himself. She shouldn;t be teaching rhetoric, she should be learning how to read. At least she recognizes that churchill is an asshole.
Look, it's Mishit!
Gang, ignore the fascist puppy.
Remember how much fun "Maj. Knecht" was?
Ignore. Ignore.
Fuck off, Mishit.
their minions just nod and mutter
It's called Palsey and Tourette's...
So...if leftists are responsible for Ward Churchill, are rightest responsible for every raving looney-tune on their side of the aisle?
YES.
Anyone who thinks either Atrios or Instapundit is anything but a random yay-hoo with a blog and plenty of drive probably has plenty of problems otherwise.
Hence 'wanker of the day' and a post all about Instapundit the irrelevant yayhoo. Reminds me of the guys who post their crank letters as 'representative' of this or that. Nice to know we agree that Atrios is random yayhoo as well.
i present for you "the logic of ulrike meinhof":
instapundit claimed churchill was the face of the left.
ulrike meinhof claimed instapundit's post is idiotic.
ulrike meinhof is now demanding that posters renounce churchill.
ulrike meinhof is idiotic.
if reynold's post is "idiotic" why is
ulrike meinhof flogging it relentlessly?
the 'left', such as it was, imploded somewhere around 1982.
the 'right' in its current mode will implode as well. 'eschatonian' and ulrike and Avestus see no end in sight for the good times.
Funny thing is, that's usually the point at which a movement begins it's decline- and that is why their leaders try to keep the anger level stirred up, no matter how much power they exert and have exerted.
Up is down, down is up. Hail Duncan!
I have here in my hand a long list of right wing racists, fascists and whackos whom "ulrikemeinhoff" and Glenn Reynolds have yet to denounce.
cereal breath, instapundit is wrong for claiming churchill represented the voice of the left. I modified the claim, stating that churchill represents at least some of the more vocal batshit loonies on this board, and certain others willing to bend space and time in stupid rhetorical exercises like NYMary are happy to accomodate them, rather than driving them away with torches like the wild animals they are.
Ulrike! Love your work, babe.
Sue - unemployment is pretty much confined now to 26 weeks. That's 'cause there's no need to extend it 'cause the economy is doing so gosh darn well.
Some mornings in Phx are whiplashed more than others. Day before yesterday, I learnt from the front page of the paper that Phx had been under a 'boil all your water' order for the last 24 hours. That was the first I'd heard of it. This morning, the front page tells me that the City O'Phx must cut its budget by 7% because of severely declining revenues. However, the business section announces in full banner headline, that '04 economy best in years'.
As tho I weren't confused enough.
I have here in my hand a long list of chores that are more interesting than kc.
Nice to know we agree that Atrios is random yayhoo as well.
ulrike meinhof | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 12:49 pm | #
Good sir, you do realize that you're an even more random - and tedious, frankly - yay-hoo. And one without a blog, no less. I still don't see what the point in this whole excercise is. Are you somehow shocked that two avowed partisans would see one issue as completely different? Furthermore, are you amazed that each considers the other a "wanker"? And again, why the insistence on whether or not the Churchill dude is "represenative" of the Left as whole? Common sense tells you he isn't, just as common sense tells you someone like Kim Du Toit or Adam Yoshida isn't represenative of the right as a whole.
You're very good at play clever semantic games, I'll give you that, but if your intent is to prove that Atrios is no better than Instapundit, I think you're missing the whole point of political punditry and blogging as a whole.
Churchill's comments were made well before the Iraq war so your 'parallel argument' is peculiar indeed. Churchill's argument resembles your paraphrase not in the least. He's not claiming SOME of the WTC workers were guilty (to you: are any?? of what??) He's claiming they were all part of the wall street war machine and therefore all valid targets.
Valid targets?
Of course not.
More innocent than this Iraqi girls parents.
Of course not.
Your point?
danke shoen, eric. I thought of posting as 'tim mcveigh' but i didnt want to offend any gore vidal fans out there.
I thought of posting as 'tim mcveigh'
You're trying to seduce me, aren't you?
Maxspeak gives absolutely no basis for his putdown of GR except for claiming it's 'self-evident tripe'. To butress that claim, Maxspeak torques what GR says about Kos' treatment of some American casualties into an insinuation that GR says Kos treats all US casualties in the same manner.
I suggest that the commenters here actually read what Churchill, Kos and Kennedy said that Reynolds takes exception to, what form Reynolds exception takes and what he says, and then what Maxspeak says.
To answer another commenters question about Coulter et al - no. Coulter would not be the face of the right in the same way that GR says Churchill is the face of the left. GR makes it plain that he considers Churchill representative of the '60s views the Moore's and Kennedys of the far left hold. Limbaugh would be a better choice as Churchill's mirror reflection on the far right than Coulter.
Last but not least, what Kennedy said was incredibly stupid and his timing incredibly irresponsible. The man is an embarassment.
I have here in my hand a long list of chores that are more interesting than kc.
I'll bet you do. The toenail "trimming" alone will take you all afternoon. Better get to work.
Good sir, you do realize that you're an even more random - and tedious, frankly - yay-hoo. And one without a blog, no less.
Backslider, he has a blog all right, one of the most repulsive on any of the internets.
You've argued with this troll before, BTW, under another German handle.
Mishit, fuck off.
Kennedy is a hero. Michael Moore is not "far left," and there is nothing in F9/11 which was particularly outrageous beyond the depictions of Bush's behavior, which is and was outrageous. Max is right.
'thersites' i have no blog, sorry, and i'm not mishit or ether. why this irritating tendency to conflate trolls?
To answer another commenters question about Coulter et al - no. Coulter would not be the face of the right in the same way that GR says Churchill is the face of the left.
She would be much more the face of the right since very few people have heard of Churchill. Coulter has 4 best selling books, a permanent place on the cable news networks and name regognition someone like Churchill will never have in his wildest dreams.
What Churchill said was provocative and misguided. But unlike Charles Johnson is whole life isn't about fomenting hate against one ethnic and religious group.
Michael Moore is not "far left,"
He isn't? God help you.
'thersites' i have no blog, sorry, and i'm not mishit or ether. why this irritating tendency to conflate trolls?
Go away, Mishit.
Oh, and by the way, Thers, I just snatched that story about the Ohio crusade against evil liberal profs and posted it at No Capital, with appropriate attribution, of course! Good find!
"rather than driving them away with torches like the wild animals they are."
is that what you do with dissenting opinion? fuck man, one of the reasons i frequent this joint is that i don't always agree with everyone. i mean there does seem to be a baseline of respect for universal human rights to be found here, but there are sundry disagreements as how to achieve this goal.
i suppose much of the resistance you find here is due to the fact that you have annointed yourself "zoo keeper" and go to great lengths to keep us in line. this feat could be accomplished in most any public forum. why have you chosen here to practice your craft? the high ratio of loonies combined with a lax moderator? i suggest you mosey over to www.amren.com and explore some of the good times over on their board, if your posts gets past the censor that is.
i suggest that you enjoy your time here because you find it challenging.
people are willing to abide by your advances and take you up on them. although you would be loathe to admit it you are one of us, welcome to the fold fellow eschatonian.
the 'left', such as it was, imploded somewhere around 1982.
the 'right' in its current mode will implode as well. 'eschatonian' and ulrike and Avestus see no end in sight for the good times.
Funny thing is, that's usually the point at which a movement begins it's decline- and that is why their leaders try to keep the anger level stirred up, no matter how much power they exert and have exerted.
Nick Carraway,
Yes, and wouldn't you agree that the right wing rhetoric is so "overexposed" that it has become meaningless? When Bush used the term "Massachusetts liberal" during the debates it seemed pathetic.
I thought the same thing Wednesday during the Senate debate confirming Condi Rice. The rhetoric is tired.
"ANOTHER UPDATE: Various righty readers email to say that Glenn Reynolds is not the authentic face of the Right.
I wish I agreed with that. But, sadly, he is its very image today."
But unlike Charles Johnson is whole life isn't about fomenting hate against one ethnic and religious group.
I beg to differ. I recommend you read more of Ward Churchill's work instead of misrepresenting his opinions (like NYMary) or defending them (like konopelli.)
i mean there does seem to be a baseline of respect for universal human rights to be found here, but there are sundry disagreements as how to achieve this goal.
cereal breath, if someone popped up on tacitus' board talking about how kikes should be rounded up and gassed, they would be banned immediately. Yet a guy who says WTC victims got what was coming to them is just "provocative and misguided."
Blecch, it's even smellier down here!
..."stating that churchill represents at least some of the more vocal batshit loonies on this board, and certain others willing to bend space and time in stupid rhetorical exercises like NYMary are happy to accomodate them, rather than driving them away with torches like the wild animals they are."
And then there's that inexplicably large third group of tipico lefties whose words are reveranced on Eschaton (subtext: unlike mine which is NOT FAIR) who have never heard of Ward Churchill and keep confusing him with Adam's Off Ox.
It's so damned hard to be so tiresome. Little Ricky really ought to go have a nice nap. Or medication. Or something.
NYMary, I'm with you. I've got chores to take care of.
Actually, I don't think Michael Moore's "far left" either. He seems to be rather at home with the overall goal of the "American dream" - he's certainly made a dollar or two off of it - and I can't recall ever seeing him seriously call for any sort of destruction of the U.S. government or "American way of life", whatever the hell that means. What he does seem to be, however, is dissatisfied with certain aspects of how life in America is carried out, particularly the raw, unchecked power of Corporate America and the pro-business corruption of the U.S. government.
Why, exactly, do you think Moore is "far left" and what, exactly, does "far left" mean? For the most part, I agree with Moore. Am I hopelessly "far left" and indicative of the radical anti-American hatred of guys like Churchill?
what Kennedy said was incredibly stupid and his timing incredibly irresponsible. The man is an embarassment.
What are you talking about JPT?
cereal breath, if someone popped up on tacitus' board talking about how kikes should be rounded up and gassed,
You've just described LGF perfectly. Just change "kikes" to "Muslims".
You've just described LGF perfectly. Just change "kikes" to "Muslims".
Have I? OK then: Charles Johnson is a scumbag. Wow, that was hard! He's not provocative or misguided, he's simply a racist scumbag asshole who should be ignored by every correct thinking person in America! How hard was that? Not very hard.
And the March of the Straw Men proceeds...
So why exactly is the loony right picking out obscure writers like Churchill and using statements made about 9/11 more than two years ago.
Is it that they don't want to talk about Iraq (Green Zone's being attacked as we speak BTW)? Is it that they don't want to talk about how Bush is responsible for several 9/11's worth of innocent civilian casualties? Is it that they don't want to talk about the fact that sometime this year the number of American soldiers killed in Iraq will surpass the number of people killed on 9/11?
Nah. Can't be that
Have I? OK then: Charles Johnson is a scumbag. Wow, that was hard! He's not provocative or misguided, he's simply a racist scumbag asshole who should be ignored by every correct thinking person in America! How hard was that? Not very hard
Gotcha. Any person using the word "kike" is a scumbag. See. That wasn't that hard either.
A lot of people on LGF use the word "kike" btw to describe Jewish liberals they want to put down.
I just snatched that story about the Ohio crusade against evil liberal profs and posted it at No Capital, with appropriate attribution, of course! Good find!
Yeah, that's a real peach of a story, ain't it?
Wingnuts have nothing else to say besides demands that the fantasy demons of their imaginations be cast out, vilified, etc.
If they're not on a witch hunt, they don't have shit to say. (As opposed to their shit when they are on one of their idiotic jihads, that is.)
Thers--here's another peach, found via Avedon Carol:
Republican State Senators, led by Jeannemarie Devolites-Davis, want to limit the rights of Virginia's families to use safe and effective means of birth control. (courtesy of Maura from DFV)
Maura points out that Delegate Dick Black (R-Loudon) believes that contraceptives are really "baby pesticides" and that Delegate Bob Marshall (D-Manassas) wants to ban access to contraception for victims of statutory rape.
Who but the right could possibly come up with the phrase "baby pesticides"?
ror,
Maybe they're just trying to keep fleas off the babies....
I'd like to ask a favor: Regardless of one's political inclination, irrespective of your confidence in the electoral process employed, or the decision to invade and occupy Iraq, no matter what the outcome, let us all stand united in our admiration for those courageous Iraqi's who will brave gunfire, RPGs, bombs, and reprisal, to determine their own fate? For they choose to do so in bold defiance of promised violence and certain intimidation.
Wingnuts have nothing else to say besides demands that the fantasy demons of their imaginations be cast out, vilified, etc.
If they're not on a witch hunt, they don't have shit to say.
Boy, that absolutely nails it. I just tried to post something like that, but far more wordily, in your comments Thersites.
-- Stu
For they choose to do so in bold defiance of promised violence and certain intimidation.
No. They do so because the US military is rounding them up and herding them to the polls.
Ror, wow, that is a fun one.
These are people for whom The Handmaid's Tale is an instruction manual.
Ward Churchill says a great many smart things.
-rorschach, 1/29/05
ulrike meinhof, how about --Glen Reynolds is an idiot– can you say it, do you think it’s true?
You know, that Hitler guy is misguided and provocative, but he sure makes the trains run on time! He says some very smart things!
Ward Churchill says a great many smart things.
-rorschach, 1/29/05
ulrike meinhof | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 1:34 pm | #
Once again, why are you asshats worried about Ward Churchill?
Don't you have bigger problems right now as we speak this second now that the Green Zone in Baghdad is being bombed?
OK. I'm going to go out on a Churchillian limb here. John Negroponte is not an innocent victim. Happy?
Hmm, comments don't seem to be showing up over at your place, Thersites, is there some sort of weird delay with blogger comments?
For they choose to do so...
Hmmmmmm.
glenn reynolds says some dopey shit, but its not anything close to the charles johnson/ward churchill level of vile racist stupidity.
Anyone know where I can find a good diaper? My legs are covered in urine because of these leaky rags.
I HATE LIFE.
sdf,
I'm not Thers, but yes. Blogger has a weird delay. (Hey! A nice thing we can say about Haloscan!)
Once again, why are you asshats worried about Ward Churchill?
I thought this is the "ward churchill is provocative and misguided but so what" thread. I think the "end bush's racist war NOW" thread is somewhere below.
You know, that Hitler guy is misguided and provocative
Oops! You lose, ulrike.
You know, that Hitler guy is misguided and provocative, but he sure makes the trains run on time! He says some very smart things!
If these little chickenhawks think an obscure writer like Churchill is Hitler, can you imagine how quickly they'd piss their pants if they were actually in Iraq.
It almost reminds me of a Monty Python skit. Lets kill 6,000,000 people with rhetoric.
Johnson is far, far worse than Churchill. Johnson's entire life is devoted to preaching hatred against one religious/ethnic group. He has a large audience and contacts in the media. Churchill (from that one statement) doesn't even come close.
Ted Kennedy is a hero. He's a patriot. This morning, as I was browsing through the local newspaper, I turned to page 2 and there was a picture of Ted Kennedy and Vicki(on crutches)leaving the wake of another Massachusetts soldier killed in Iraq. He was from Princeton, MA.
Ted Kennedy always attends either the wake or the funeral of the boys killed in Iraq - a war he did not vote for.
The look on his face in the picture said it all - sorrow.
The chickenhawks rarely, if ever, attend funerals.
You know, that Hitler guy is misguided and provocative
Oops! I'm a moron.
I thought this is the "ward churchill is provocative and misguided but so what" thread.
Nope. This is the "Glenn Reynolds is a wanker" thread. The "Ward Churchill is the Face of the Left" thread should be on Glenn's site - whoops, he doesn't have comments, does he? Too bad.
Hmm, comments don't seem to be showing up over at your place, Thersites, is there some sort of weird delay with blogger comments?
There might be -- blogger's been a real stinker lately.
Ward Churchill (who I also had never heard of until this morning) = Adolf Hitler
-- "ulrike meinhof," 1/29/05
And Godwin's Law is invoked!
I thought this is the "ward churchill is provocative and misguided but so what" thread. I think the "end bush's racist war NOW" thread is somewhere below.
No. It's the isn't it curious that these troll who don't have the guts to enlist are worring about a statement made two years ago thread.
BTW. You have to repeat "provocative and misguided" another 500 times if you want to get your props from Reynolds.
But I won't call Reynolds provocative and misguided. I'll call him a fatass white trach chickenhawk.
He's still young enough to go to Iraq. Why isn't he there?
Thanks Mary, and Thersites, was just wondering.
Hey! A nice thing we can say about Haloscan!
That's almost unbelievable.
-- Stu
I'd like to ask a favor: Regardless of one's political inclination, irrespective of your confidence in the electoral process employed, or the decision to invade and occupy Iraq, no matter what the outcome, let us all stand united in our admiration for those courageous Iraqi's who will brave gunfire, RPGs, bombs, and reprisal, to determine their own fate? For they choose to do so in bold defiance of promised violence and certain intimidation.
While this is a noble sentiment, precisely the same things could be said of and about the Iraqis who oppose the invasion, occupation and cooptation of their country by a band of international neo-colonialist brigands.
just sayin...
Ward Churchill is Hitler? What?
What smart things did Hitler say? Eh?
It was Mussolini that made the trains run on time. You'd think a right winger would be able to keep his fascists straight...
This is exactly the kind of lazy misrepresentation typical of the readers of this blog.
Some jokes just write themselves.
troll, you came into this thread with the express purpose of associating us with a specific passage from the work of Ward Churchill, thereby proving instacracker right.
After more than a two hour of shrill attempts, you only found two people in here who even partially agreed with Churchill, and at least 5 or 6 who explicitly disagreed with that excerpt. Congratulations. Through your own efforts, you've disproven your original premise. Why are you still here?
Errands to run - I'll drop back in 3 or 4 hours. I expect to find you still beating that dead horse.
Ulrike E. Coyote - Super Genius!
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BTW. It's really funny that Instapundit has that Castro ad on the front page.
Almost as funny as "W Catsup" being advertised on Atrios.
$$$ trumps ideology once again.
Nope. This is the "Glenn Reynolds is a wanker" thread. The "Ward Churchill is the Face of the Left" thread should be on Glenn's site - whoops, he doesn't have comments, does he? Too bad.
kc
If the comments here are any indication, he made the right choice.
Moore is not far left, and god helps no one. You, ulrike, are far right, and no god can help you. You are beyond help, full of fascist koolaid and phony patriotism. America has taken a wrong turn to the right, and is heading in the same direction as all the other failed empires built on the deaths of thousands of innocents and the greed of its pschopathic "leaders" who managed to lie well enough and put in place enough of their filthy scum cohorts to steal the ideals of the founders and bury them in superpatriotic doublespeak so that shallow morons like you can pretend to be tough. Your naked hatred of true freedom for all people is the tell; you somehow have gotten it into your tiny head that you are superior to other humans. You are well back on the evolutionary curve, that's what your posts show us. Animals with skills, you and your right-wing fucktards have lost every time out throughout history. Unfortunately, truly evolved humans pay a heavy price for allowing you citizenship and voice, but that's life, as they say. It's really a shame that the gene pool is polluted by the likes of you.
I HATE LIFE.
Sez the troll.
Yeah, we know. It's quite obvious.
For fuck's sake, I just shitted myself again and it is leaking all over my chair. I wish I still had teeth and could eat solid foods.
I hate mankind.
I hate laughter.
I hate being old.
I hate being irrelevant.
Please, don't leave me!
Good sir, you do realize that you're an even more random - and tedious, frankly - yay-hoo. And one without a blog, no less.
He has, however, one thing Atrios doesn't: a government paycheck.
Instacracker, of course, draws from many wells: the paycheck he gets from Unka Karl, the paycheck he gets from the state of Tennessee, and the paychecks he draws working during the time he's supposed to be earning the paycheck from the state of Tennessee.
Not to mention the equipment and resources he steals from the University.
Of course, if he was, say, a black professor in the Ethnics Studies Department, he'd be bitter fruit by now...
glenn reynolds says some dopey shit, but its not anything close to the charles johnson/ward churchill level of vile racist stupidity.
You’re seem to be missing one of the points about what Reynolds said and doing some of the same thing. Ward Churchhill is a red herring, a side issue. Reynolds was claiming Churchill’s views were representative of half the people of the U.S. “The left”. This is not true. A counter claim about Charles Johnson or Reynolds as representative of the entire right would also be untrue. However in terms of real influence that claim would be closer to reality. Still wrong, but by a smaller margin.
After more than a two hour of shrill attempts, you only found two people in here who even partially agreed with Churchill, and at least 5 or 6 who explicitly disagreed with that excerpt.
oh, they disagreed with that excerpt, did they? Bravo! Still, can't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I loved Churchills 'work' on racist mascots! Very provocative!
sdf, godwins law was revoked long ago by this crew, didn't you get the memo?
WGG i thought you were done lymning an hour or so ago.
I loved Churchills 'work' on racist mascots! Very provocative!
Glad to see you have some common sense! It is a hilarious piece.
Troll, why don't you just get a friend? Boy or girl, doesn't matter.
You'd be much happier, really.
I suspect some of our tax dollars went to these hacks to call us traitors. Why do I think that wouldn't cause a Clenis type outrage?
Meanwhile, back in the USSR...
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But now the art of press handling has evolved into actual manhandling. The Bush team has expanded the use of "minders," employees or volunteers who escort journalists from interview to interview within a venue or at a newsworthy event.
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It's not an entirely new phenomenon -- (*note: obligatory "Clinton did it, too!" bullshit inserted at wingnut publisher's insistence*) the Clinton administration baby-sat reporters from time to time -- but the president's inaugural committee took it to new levels of silliness during the various presidential balls. Several reporters covering the balls were surprised to find themselves being monitored by young "escorts," who followed them from hors d'oeuvres table to dance floor and even to the bathroom...
Sorry, forgot to edit out the ads...
the 'right' in its current mode will implode as well. 'eschatonian' and ulrike and Avestus see no end in sight for the good times.
I'll bet that Hitler's little bunch thought they were sitting on top of the world c. July 1940. Their thousand year reich was no doubt beginning. I'm sure that some of them realized that when they declared war on the United States that is was at least, or at most, a problem.
Read the March of Folly. And as I type this a rocket has fallen in the American Embassy compound in Iraq.
When they want the Bush Junta at the Hague we send them, OK? I say we let them have the lawyer who fell asleep as his client was found guilty of capital murder in Texas. Good enough for that guy he should be good enough for them.
dave--The truly odd thing about these escorts is that, when asked their names, every last one replied "Donna Moss."
Creepy.
After more than a two hour of shrill attempts, you only found two people in here who even partially agreed with Churchill, and at least 5 or 6 who explicitly disagreed with that excerpt.
oh, they disagreed with that excerpt, did they? Bravo! What a bold and courageous stance! Give those people Purple Hearts. Listen, I'm not leaving until each and every one of you read and then denounce every word written or uttered by Churchill, including "a," "and," and "the."
Listen, I'm not leaving until each and every one of you read and then denounce every word written or uttered by Churchill, including "a," "and," and "the."
Idiot. That's all there is to it.
Namestealer is going to be Womanhater from now on. He reminds me of a cartoon I once saw the Coppertan girl having her swimsuit chewed off by a neurotic looking boy instead of a scottie dog. Maybe this is what Dick Morris does when he's not at FOX or some other cheap fleabag.
A question for meinhof, with apologies to Kevin Smith: How do you feel about the slaughter of all those innocent workers on the second Death Star?
WGG i thought you were done lymning an hour or so ago.
ulrike meinhof | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 1:52 pm
Why don't hop, skip, and shove your Ward Churchill obsession up your ass.
BTW, have any of the bought-and-paid-for moronic brownshirt fucks on the boilerroom morning shift disavowed the following traitors and their anti-American comments/actions yet:
* Jerry Falwell
* Pat Robertson
* Ann Coulter
* Robert Novak
* Bill O'Reilly
Well-publicized, numerous appearances in major national media, lucrative newspaper syndication, regular participants in major network television... these are the well-known faces of the American Right. Their invective against the victims of 9/11 is well-known and well-documented.
Until all brownshirts start an active campaign of noisy, public disavowal against these traitors, they can kiss my hairy yellow butt...
Listen, I'm not leaving until each and every one of you read and then denounce every word written or uttered by Churchill, including "a," "and," and "the."
Maybe we could treat this as a Buffy episode. Lock the thread and trap the troll's essence inside for all eternity.
Or maybe that's an Angel episode.
And as I type this a rocket has fallen in the American Embassy compound in Iraq.
I blame The Left.
SWR--Buffy, if I'm thinking of the episode you're thinking of. Moloch the cyberdemon with his love for Willow and such...
dave, I'm waiting for each and every Baptist who goes on Scott Simon's show to be pressured to denounce Phelps the way every single black person who was on was pressured to denounce Farrikhan. Considering some of the things Falwell and Robertson have said you'd think they'd have to denounce him too.
I'm waiting but not waiting up nights.
Reynolds also says:
the right has done a better job of muzzling and marginalizing its idiots, while the Left has embraced them.
To support this he uses the example of Falewell:
And for those who email saying "what about Falwell on the right," well, it's worth remembering that the term "idiotarian" was coined with Falwell in mind.
But Rev. Falwell was on Meet the Press as recently as 11-28-2004. Was he muzzled?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6601018/
MR. RUSSERT: I want to ask Reverend Falwell about something and
broaden the conversation. We talked about Iraq and the war on
terrorism. Something that you said two days after September 11, when
you were with Reverend Pat Robertson: "I fear... that [September
11th] is only the beginning. ...If, in fact, God continues to lift
the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what
we deserve ... I really believe that the pagans, and the
abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and lesbians who are
actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle ... all of them
who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their
face and say `you helped this happen.'"
DR. FALWELL: And I went on to say in a sleeping church, a lethargic
church likewise is responsible. I do believe, as Ben Franklin said,
that God rules in the affairs of men and of nations. I believe that
when God blesses a nation, as he's blessed America for a lot of
reasons, things happen that don't happen other places. I believe when
we defy the Lord, I think we pay a price for it...
Do you think there’s any danger of Ward Churchill appearing on Meet the Press?
Reynolds also says:
the right has done a better job of muzzling and marginalizing its idiots, while the Left has embraced them.
To support this he uses the example of Falewell:
And for those who email saying "what about Falwell on the right," well, it's worth remembering that the term "idiotarian" was coined with Falwell in mind.
But Rev. Falwell was on Meet the Press as recently as 11-28-2004. Was he muzzled?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6601018/
MR. RUSSERT: I want to ask Reverend Falwell about something and
broaden the conversation. We talked about Iraq and the war on
terrorism. Something that you said two days after September 11, when
you were with Reverend Pat Robertson: "I fear... that [September
11th] is only the beginning. ...If, in fact, God continues to lift
the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what
we deserve ... I really believe that the pagans, and the
abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and lesbians who are
actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle ... all of them
who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their
face and say `you helped this happen.'"
DR. FALWELL: And I went on to say in a sleeping church, a lethargic
church likewise is responsible. I do believe, as Ben Franklin said,
that God rules in the affairs of men and of nations. I believe that
when God blesses a nation, as he's blessed America for a lot of
reasons, things happen that don't happen other places. I believe when
we defy the Lord, I think we pay a price for it...
Do you think there’s any danger of Ward Churchill appearing on Meet the Press?
SWR--Buffy, if I'm thinking of the episode you're thinking of. Moloch the cyberdemon with his love for Willow and such...
rorschach | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 2:05 pm | #
I was thinking more of that Angel Episode where they trap Sahjhan into the magic urn.
But Sahjhan is a pretty big, badass demon and these trolls remind me more of slimy little Lizzard demons.
dave, I'm waiting for each and every Baptist who goes on Scott Simon's show to be pressured to denounce Phelps the way every single black person who was on was pressured to denounce Farrikhan.
rorschach, you're one of the good guys, but you just responded to an ulrike parody, and a rather clever one at that. Check the Email and Homepage fields.
No, ulrike the goat, it wasn't me. I would have prefaced it with something like "ulrike sez:" and used my own name. I'd want to get credit for something that dead on target. Now I really am outta here.
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dave, I'm waiting for each and every Baptist who goes on Scott Simon's show to be pressured to denounce Phelps the way every single black person who was on was pressured to denounce Farrikhan.
I won't be satisfied unti:
1.) The Vatican denounces William Donahue and the Catholic League for Civil Rights as anti-semitic.
2.) Donahue no longer appears on MSNBC.
3.) EVERY Irish American in America denounces Donahue.
That Dr. Falwell, I loved what he had to say about Jesus' love and feeding the lepers! Can't all of us bat 1000 now can we! Nobody's perfect!
Reynolds also says:
the right has done a better job of muzzling and marginalizing its idiots, while the Left has embraced them.
Reynolds Pap.
Until the Vatican and "moderate" Catholics denounce William Donohue, I'm just going to assume all Irish Catholics are anti-semitic.
but you just responded to an ulrike parody, and a rather clever one at that.
lemme guess, YOURS? Name stealing is a regular thing for you isnt it, you pathetic sack of shit!?
Now I will steal your name, fucker.
I hereby declared the Rev. Moon the face of the right.
It's very simple.
No democratic members of congress think the WTC victims deserved it.
No liberal pundit/commentator/columnist who has an outlet in the mainstream media thinks the WTC victims deserved it.
No one the Nation magazine or american prospect think the WTC victims deserved it.
end of story.
Reynolds also says:
the right has done a better job of muzzling and marginalizing its idiots, while the Left has embraced them.
And yet he continues to post!
SWR, Hope you know you're setting yourself up for disappointment, all except MSNBC, it will go bust before long.
3.) EVERY Irish American in America denounces Donahue.
He's a bigoted piece of garbage. He'll probably get worse and worse as he realizes that fewer people are listening to him every day.
Now, wouldn't you like to know where HIS funding comes from?
oooooo YOU MADE ME MAD! now its WAR! no more LOGIC for you fools!
Now, wouldn't you like to know where HIS funding comes from?
EPT | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 2:16 pm | #
Unlike "the left" or Judaism or Islam, Catholicism does have one particular feature I rather like.
Centralization. We know exactly what the "Catholic Church" thinks about any particular issue since the Catholic Church has official pronouncements and a way to police doctrine.
And yet no official representative of the Catholic church has denounced Dononhue as a representative of the Catholic Church.
I must conclude then that the Catholic Church wants anti-semites to stay inside the church. They don't want to offend Donohue's constituency.
Stop, stop, I can't keep up with the denouncing. Just somebody give me a list and I'll do it in one foop and get Arthur to verify it. Okay?
Nobody's perfect!
ulrike meinhof, that’s not the point. The question is: who has influence? Reynolds’ premise is utterly ridiculous --full stop--. There is no need to refute Churchill because he’s irrelevant.
There is no need to refute Churchill because he’s irrelevant.
The same could be said of many of Atrios' silly straw men. Not too long ago he was posting to 50 year old shit on civil rights claiming this was representative of modern conservatism. He routinely posts dumb diatribes by obscure "family rights" wackos and assorted rightist kooks -- to what end?
The same could be said of many of Atrios' silly straw men. Not too long ago he was posting to 50 year old shit on civil rights claiming this was representative of modern conservatism. He routinely posts dumb diatribes by obscure "family rights" wackos and assorted rightist kooks -- to what end?
I'm not talking about obscure wackos. I'm talking about the fucking Vatican asshat.
William Donohue makes anti-semitic statements for a group called the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.
He's regularly on MSNBC and the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights can easily be confused with the Catholic Church.
So why hasn't the Vatican come out and denounced him and his group. I'm not talking about you. You can denounce him all you want. Why hasn't the Vatican come out and distanced themselves from Donohue?
And I'm not leaving this thread until I get an answer.
What's more, why haven't ALL IRISH AMERICANS denounced Donohue?
eg Michael Savage: since when is that asshole the 'face of conservatism'?
http://atrios.blogspot.com/
2004_...os_archive.html
Is jonah goldberg the 'intellectual leader' or 'the future of conservatism?' since when?
The same could be said of many of Atrios' silly straw men.
But you're not. You're stuffing them full of more and more straw every minute.
Of course, that's what you're paid for.
Anyhoo... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Vatican Schmatican, I'm happy to denounce him and the pope and hope they both get fucked. But I'm hardly going to run around claiming they represent christianity, now am i?
He routinely posts dumb diatribes by obscure "family rights" wackos and assorted rightist kooks --
I would hardly characterize Senator Rick "Santorum" Santorum as "obscure."
Now I will steal your name, fucker.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Noooooooooooo!
Vatican Schmatican, I'm happy to denounce him and the pope and hope they both get fucked. But I'm hardly going to run around claiming they represent christianity, now am i?
Donohue regularly "represents" Christianity on the cable news networks. He has a regular gig on MSNBC. He's the head of a group called "The Catholic League for Civil and Religious Liberties". He's often seen on TV as the face who defends Mel Gibson and The Passion of the Christ.
And yet neither the Vatican nor any Irish American group has denounced him.
I must conclude therefore that Irish Americans and Catholics in general support anti-semitism.
Once again, Atrios' jealousy streak shows through. Its kind of sad that your blog is based on tearing down others to build yourself up.
Vatican Schmatican, I'm happy to denounce him and the pope
I can't believe you denounce the Pope just because somebody on a message thread told you to. Have you no principles, madam?
Its kind of sad
It's, not its, illiterate whelp.
ulrike meinhof, let’s see if we can agree on one thing:
The same could be said of many of Atrios' silly straw men. Not too long ago he was posting to 50 year old shit on civil rights claiming this was representative of modern conservatism. He routinely posts dumb diatribes by obscure "family rights" wackos and assorted rightist kooks -- to what end?
You are now changing the subject. Do you concede the point about the subject at hand? I would be glad to address your question but let’s try and maintain some degree of order.
Blessedly OT,
It appears Bu$h's choice for the new DHS job, Mikey Chertoff, (who is currently a federal judge) consulted with and gave the C.I.A. advise on the legality of using torture on terrorist suspects. He approved "Water Boarding" and various othe fun torture tactics. He "left the door open" on the legality of much of what Gonzales said was permissible as long as organ failure and death weren't involved.
Still no word on the *investigation* into the deaths (murder)of AT LEAST 30 detainees who were in US custody in Iraq and Gitmo.
where is chruchill wrong?
Did anyone read Riverbend's latest post???
Everyone should...
Well that makes it official. Under Little Rike's New World Order, where the official rulebook for lefties is published by righwing wankers, we must learn whom and what to denounce on demand. For example, I need to seek guidance from Little Rike and its cadre to determine whether it would be anti-revolutionary to include nuts, chocolate chips -and- raisins in my oatmeal cookies. Otherwise, without the appropriate guidance, I might be denounced myself. And all my cookies taken from me....
More OT,
The Senate is set to vote on Chertoff's confirmation next week. Will they get another crack at questioning him? Aw, hell. All the rethugs and a few of the Dems would probably vote for him even if they had video of him personally torturing innocent Iraqis.
I hereby declared the Rev. Moon the face of the right.
Bloomfield Bomber
Which cheek?
GWPDA,
Raisins are strictly forbiden. Heh.
where is chruchill wrong?
Gosh Nads, how about questioning whether the victims of 9/11 were civilians and then suggesting that instead they were little “Eichmanns” who deserved what they got.
bigvic - got it. Raisins are now anti-revolutionary under the new order. Even the really nice golden ones.
Things really are so much easier when somebody finally declares Stalinism, neh?
bigvic:
Re: Michael Jerkoff
i get a really bad feeling everytime I gaze upon that death's-head countenance...I believe he could swing a headsman's axe without a qualm...
Woody,
Our "Respect Life" preznit sure loves the death penalty, torture, killin' Iraqis (even the little ones) and doesn't give a shit about the safty of the soldiers fighting his useles wars. Mikey Jerkoff is another life lovin' Bu$hy Boy.
GWPDA,
It's such a comfort to be told how to think by others. Saves time.
Gotta go to a wake. Sure to be more fun than reading whining, abused wankers hacking off.
Peace.
Gosh Nads, how about questioning whether the victims of 9/11 were civilians and then suggesting that instead they were little “Eichmanns” who deserved what they got.
antiphone | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 2:57 pm | #
Well I read the piece that Instawanker and Opidiotjournal linked.
And if anybody's paid attention to anything I've ever said (and there's no reason why they should), they'd realize that I've criticized the "500,000 dead Iraqi children" line as:
1.) Difficult to prove.
2.) Quite possibly right-wing spinning through the far left in order to paint the state of Iraq as so dire that an invasion would only help it.
A better study of Iraqi casualties is the one that came out of Johns Hopkins a few months ago where the writers actually travelled to the country and tried to map out the numbers of dead civilians.
Churchill and the rest of the hard left pretty much stopped talking about the "500,000 dead children" after March of 2003. Now I'm not saying that the right was literally spinning through people like Churchill. What I am saying is that they were straining as hard as possible after 9/11 to link Iraq and Bin Laden and hard leftists who talked about the attack on the WTC as payback for the "500,000 dead children" only helped them.
Well, really. Let's get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break. They formed a technocratic corps at the very heart of America's global financial empire – the "mighty engine of profit" to which the military dimension of U.S. policy has always been enslaved – and they did so both willingly and knowingly. Recourse to "ignorance" – a derivative, after all, of the word "ignore" – counts as less than an excuse among this relatively well-educated elite. To the extent that any of them were unaware of the costs and consequences to others of what they were involved in – and in many cases excelling at – it was because of their absolute refusal to see. More likely, it was because they were too busy braying, incessantly and self-importantly, into their cell phones, arranging power lunches and stock transactions, each of which translated, conveniently out of sight, mind and smelling distance, into the starved and rotting flesh of infants. If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I'd really be interested in hearing about it.
9/11 was nothing compared to the numbers we've killed systematically killed in the mideast. For churchill to point out that so many of our countrymen have become good germans, hiding the smells coming from the death camps within their daily routines, is patriotic.
But calling them Eichmann is really out of line, and I'm not going to defend that. Especially since the victims comprised ALL facets of society, from cleaning peoples to businesspeople to warmongering bastards.
His words are insulting and cause discomfort, as they should. We've done disconcerting and uncomfortable things to the rest of the world in the name of our appetites, and 9/11 was a completely predictable and natural consequence.
But calling them Eichmann is really out of line, and I'm not going to defend that. Especially since the victims comprised ALL facets of society, from cleaning peoples to businesspeople to warmongering bastards.
Look at what Churchill is doing.
He's linking Bin Laden and Iraq.
Far leftist or useful idiot for the extreme right?
I hate to get started on the subject because I could go on forever but I'd like to say again - Reynolds is exactly the kind of fraud that makes me despise the lazy mentality and mendacity of certain conservatives. He's got a lot of company but that makes it worse - not better.
Note: the qualifying use of "certain" because I don't want to be like those jackasses.
They're frigging in love with themselves. And that's not just weak-minded, it's damn unhealthy - even for them.
And I'll add - Reynolds is the sort of joker who quotes Neil Boortz , in a serious way. And he calls himself a professor..
Love the faux-regretful "but sadly".., too.
SWR ... Yeah, I did miss that implied connection, probably because I'm certain bin laden doesn't give a shit about kids dying in Iraq except as a recruiting tool.
I didn't consider how it would be heard here.
Reynolds' post illustrates a classic tactic. Name some people you think are bad, then insist it is your ideological opponents' duty to denounce them as well. Preferably before you name them.
We must, GR says, immediately intuit which figures he will identify with the left, and disown them before he calls us on "embracing" them.
You can't win. If I had spent the last year dissing Michael Moore, Reynolds would simply pull Ward Churchill out of his ass.
I've heard of Churchill. Haven't read his stuff. Does this count as embracing him? Note that Churchill has no official power. He simply lectures and writes. Again, the right confuses criticizing power (Bush) with parsing rhetoric, which is what I'd do to Churchill if he mattered.
SWR ... Yeah, I did miss that implied connection, probably because I'm certain bin laden doesn't give a shit about kids dying in Iraq except as a recruiting tool.
The real mistake that I think "the left" (whatever that is) made after 9/11 was not realizing that Bush was going into Iraq. It was set.
That's why the asshats who were droning on and on about "HA HA how can you talk about 9/11 with the 500,000 dead Iraqi children" were only playing into their fucking hands.
1.) They were linking 9/11 and Iraq. Repetition is its own logic. If people hear the two connected enough times, then they will associate them and forget where the connection came from.
2.) That "500,000 dead children" figure is almost impossible to verify. A few people from Johns Hopkins went to Iraq a few months ago and came up with their own figures. They admit that there's a wild degree of possible variation in numbers. So how did all of these far left asshats come up with the "500,000 dead children" figure. As far as I can see, it's an out of context quote from Madeline Albright. OK. Lots of civilians died in Iraq as a result of Gulf War I but give real numbers. Don't repeat extreme estimates and don't for God's sake link Iraq and 9/11 when Bush is just itching to see them linked.
No. Churchill's an asshole. But that doesn't mean I still won't defend his free speach and still don't think Reynolds and Johnson and the gang at Opinion Journal are even worse.
Instawanker is in love with the money and the bright future he has being a conservative professor who writes a column.
The conservative funding machine is going to make him a rich man.
I expect him to become even more wankerish to feed his audience.
The figure of 500,000 dead Iraqi children as a result of the sanctions was not a number Madeleine Albright thought up on her own, it was the estimate of UNICEF in 1998:
"The increase in mortality reported in public hospitals for children under five years of age (an excess of some 40,000 deaths yearly compared with 1989) is mainly due to diarrhea, pneumonia and malnutrition. In those over five years of age, the increase (an excess of some 50,000 deaths yearly compared with 1989) is associated with heart disease, hypertension, diabetes, cancer, liver or kidney diseases." www2.unicef.org/pub/iraqsa
Madeleine, when confronted with these figures, didn't deny the numbers, but said that they were "worth it" because the sanctions were so successful in hurting Saddam.
Right-wing wankers such as Reynolds now use these death figures to bash those of us who complained about them at the time for not supporting Bush's war -- as if killing a hundred thousand more Iraqis and destroying a country were preferable to lifting sanctions that killed children but did nothing to harm Saddam and his coterie of thugs.
By the way, who the fuck is Ward Churchill? He's the "face of the left" but Ann Coulter isn't the "face of the right"? O.K. Whatever. Say how about them Iggles?
Rush uses Chrissie's "My City was Gone" as his opening theme song and has for years. Particularly painful for NE Ohioans.
She tried to sue him I guess, but to no avail.
I guess for wingnuts, the exalted principle of 'property rights' only applies to people they like.
California, RE: Rush using The Pretenders: I guess for wingnuts, the exalted principle of 'property rights' only applies to people they like.
Far be it from me to stand up for a douchebag like Rush, but I think his use stands up under "fair use" statute. Isn't it legal to use up to eight bars without permission or royalties...? Where's the Librarian when you need her?
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More like "wanker of the decade."
Rush uses Chrissie's "My City was Gone" as his opening theme song and has for years. Particularly painful for NE Ohioans....
She tried to sue him I guess, but to no avail....
...I guess for wingnuts, the exalted principle of 'property rights' only applies to people they like.
I generally just browse these types of comments for the humor of it, but you guys need to at least pretend to have a clue what you're talking about.
The record label or some other entity tried to sue over Rush's use of the song, but she stepped in and told them to leave him alone. She doesn't agree with much of anything that he says, but apparantly her mother is a huge Limbaugh fan.
too bad for chrissie ... hope her mom turns doesn't mind too much when the fat junkie is imprisoned.
Weynolds wanks higher than almost anybody in the Wepublic.
But you you can't say Wanker without W.
Gentleman Wankers out on a spree
Damned from her to eternity
God have mercy on such as we
Wah! Wah! Wah!
I have a little book titled 'Fallacy: the Counterfeit of Argument' and have found it useful in identifying the myriad flaws in so much of the drivel posted on the web.
Most of the worst 'argument' seem to originate with the so-called conservative bloggers and their cult members, but many so-called liberals are offenders, too.
I don't bother reading conservative or rightwing commentary because so much of it is the product of venereal disease and incest, or both. I do feel sorry for these people and sort of wish them well, but I do not care to associate with them or waste my time on their fevered 'ideas' or silly 'arguments'.
After all, most of those who vote Republican consort sexually with animals on a daily basis, and brag about their barnyard 'conquests' as if the animals they bugger enjoy the experience or 'ask for it'.
This is conclusive evidence of their weakened minds and dissolute characters. Only Satan could find any room in his heart for people of such low moral fiber.
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