I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
you did that to me on purpose, didn't you, Dr. A. I was right in the middle of a story.
Not Frist.
So, Atlas. How's it goin'? Looks like it's just you and me up here. All that troll-bashing going on downstairs.
(awkward pause)
So, who you picking for the Superbowl?
Question for women.
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
I know most women are good at these sorts of things. I'm not.
Watertiger
Good story.
I had a similar experience with Stephen Baldwin, except when the poor woman went down, he rifled her wallet.
What play did you see?
SWR,
best thing is to get really really drunk and have lots of bad sex with her. Then refuse to return her calls, accuse her of 'crowding me', tell her you need your space and your not ready for commitment, and then sleep with her sister. Then send her an email telling her you just 'want to be friends'.
Works every time, I assure you.
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
Okay, I'm not a woman, but I would suggest that you tell her you ARE attracted to her, but you don't want to get romantically involved because your friendship is too important to risk.
I learned that from the movies.
I will be so overfuckingjoyed when that damn Arnold movie gets shown and I never have to see that ad again.
Polling has started in IRAQ. Lets hope things turn out OK.
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BoshTang
Okay, I'm not a woman, but I would suggest that you tell her you ARE attracted to her, but you don't want to get romantically involved because your friendship is too important to risk.
I thought about that. I don't have a ton of social contacts and I don't want to lose the ones I do.
I realize its all about ego and if I showed the slightest interest in her sexually she'd give me the "just friends" speech but since I haven't showed the slightest interest in her sexually she's trying to confirm to herself that it's about me, not her.
Polling has started in IRAQ. Lets hope things turn out OK.
Will they keep track of the Andrew Sullivan Over/Under as well as the voting, do you suppose?
How does the woman-friend thing work.
All we do is alienate the woman, even if we want to maintain a friendship. Are women just suspicious of our intentions, regardless of what we really want (a frienship) and even after we tell them we want a female friendship.
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
You really should get a woman's advice, because my immediate male instinct would be to say "make up some preposterous lie," but I'm pretty sure that would be a bad idea.
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
Tell her you're gay.
Tell her you're gay.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 11:55 pm | #
With my taste in clothes, she'd never believe it.
Thers,
"Brooklyn Boy," by David Margulies, with Adam Arkin, Polly Draper, etc.
Was pretty entertaining. Sad, funny, you know.
I'm completely oblivious to whether women are attracted to me. Unless they come out and say it, I have no idea. And even if they do, I'll probably assume they're kidding.
This is great for my peace of mind when I have a girlfriend, not so great when I don't.
SWR,
maybe just have drunken sex a lot, but don't get into a 'relationship'.
That way you can pretend to be both friends and sexual partners. It's the 21st century mate, it's all about making your own reality.
All we end up doing is alienating the woman, even, if we want and say we want a female frienship. Why? WhY? Why?
And even if they do, I'll probably assume they're kidding.
I usually assume they're trying to recruit me into a cult.
What happens if you just pretend to be completely oblivious like me? Would she eventually force the issue?
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With my taste in clothes, she'd never believe it.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 11:56 pm | #
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Make a pass at her brother, then she'll believe it.
I have to say that the most recent little essay from the Rude Pundit delivered real "shock and awe" to me. It was almost crystalline contempt. Gawd, I loved it. Something to aspire to.
SWR: If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
Get a girlfriend, dummy. Hire one, for a while, if necessary.
You'll never convince any woman that you don't want to have sex with her. Steve Gilliard even thinks that's impossible -- to have female friends that you don't want to offer "a little dick with that."
If you do convince her, she'll be crushed. She'll admire you for being faithful to your new girlfriend, though.
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Tell her you're gay.
Yeah, that was the lie I came up with too right off the bat.
Tell her she's gay?
(I'm not trying to be insensitive, BTW... I genuinely am clueless about this stuff.)
What happens if you just pretend to be completely oblivious like me? Would she eventually force the issue?
No, she'd probably get tired of chasing you and find somebody else. If she had any common sense, that is.
Jeez, why tempt fate? It could be that she's not especially attracted to you and it's just that good ol' male ego saying "of course she's attracted to you." Friendly affection and heat might look similar but they aren't necessarily. Don't say anything unless she tells you she's attracted to you, and then tell her the truth in a diplomatic way.
Tell her that you value her friendship with all your heart but you fear that a physical relationship wouldn't be good for either of you, and it's not because she isn't hot, because she is, but somehow it's all your fault, and can we please not talk about it, it's too painful right now, let's just go to the movie and forget we ever said anything about it.
But don't bring it up unless she does first.
My two cents. Thank God I'm an old wife and don't have to date anymore.
You'll never convince any woman that you don't want to have sex with her. Steve Gilliard even thinks that's impossible -- to have female friends that you don't want to offer "a little dick with that."
It's something about the way she reminds me a bit too much of some of my female relatives.
And no desire for a girlfriend or even meaningless sex. Just had a really bad breakup a few months ago.
Tell her she's gay?
LOL, I love that, and it sounds familiar. Is it from a show, or is it just my deja vu again?
With my taste in clothes, she'd never believe it.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 01.29.05 - 11:56 pm | #
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Make a pass at her brother, then she'll believe it.
The problem is that male psychology is such that you could end up having sex with her brother just so you don't get caught lying...
Not that I'm condoning passive aggression.
Also, SWR, be prepared to not have her for a friend for a while. She'll need the space more than you need her friendship. You can't have it both ways, not in the immediate aftermath.
I'm the same way, Eli - re: women.
Btw, thanks for the notice about the new thread, you damned commie pinkos! < /sarcasm> 
Steve Gilliard even thinks that's impossible -- to have female friends that you don't want to offer "a little dick with that."
I have lots of them.
Or rather, I did, I suppose I should say.
'Course, it helps that I've known them since I was about 8 years old. By the time we even knew what sex was, we knew we didn't want to have it with each other.
Really got to do a better job of keeping in touch.
SWR -
You could tell her you've got a physical condition that makes it painful for you to have intimate contact. Even painful for you to get aroused. And for that reason you can't even think about getting close to anyone that way. Make it sound mysterious and too embarrassing for you to talk about.
Of course, lying is terrible. But...
Also, SWR, be prepared to not have her for a friend for a while. She'll need the space more than you need her friendship. You can't have it both ways, not in the immediate aftermath.
No. It's purely about ego. She's completely unattracted to me but can't deal with my not being attracted to her.
The solution is to get her a boyfriend.
SWR: And no desire for a girlfriend or even meaningless sex. Just had a really bad breakup a few months ago.
Ah, well -- that's your out, then.
Or, you were molested by the female relative. Of course, she was a fundie Beelzebublican; goes without saying, really.
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"Brooklyn Boy," by David Margulies, with Adam Arkin, Polly Draper, etc.
Was pretty entertaining. Sad, funny, you know.
Ah, the arts. God, two years from now with this administrtion, I'm going to miss them.
Btw, thanks for the notice about the new thread, you damned commie pinkos!
Here's a thought - what if the most recent thread had a distinctive background color? When you refresh on a thread that is no longer the freshest of the fresh, it would revert to the not-the-newest thread color, and you would know there was fresh threadiness available.
The problem is that male psychology is such that you could end up having sex with her brother just so you don't get caught lying...
is this one of those liar's paradox things? Because you'd be lying about wanting to have sex with her brother, and then to not get caught lying, you'd have to have sex with her brother, but you were lying about wanting to have sex with her brother, and you don't want to get caught lying....
I'm a women...biggest turnoff is to talk about someone you are interested in..and how nice it is to be just friends with a woman ...you never need to dump on her...and she gets the message
My problem is that I don't refresh the atrios page very often. I have to close the log window and reopen it to stop the double posts but I forget about the web page.
Well, my Real problem is that I...umm.. nevermind...
Eli -
But we'd need a notification system while we're still on the "less fresh" thread. I think it should involve an alarm system.
The solution is to get her a boyfriend.
Old Todd Rundgren tune, right?
No, wait a minute....
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Yeah, that was the lie I came up with too right off the bat.
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Me too actually, but I thought I would try to give considered mature advice. Meh.
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The problem is that male psychology is such that you could end up having sex with her brother just so you don't get caught lying...
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And then it could turn into one of those delightful 20-something feel good movies about life in New York. Good call Thersites.
SWR,
Tell her you're celibate.
It works for me, (even though it's true.)
I'm a women...biggest turnoff
I'm usually pretty good at turning off women but this is an ego thing. Women with bruised egos are deadly and aggressive.
Tell her you're a metrosexual.
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
...make her first lady and explain that karl's just a good friendee
And then it could turn into one of those delightful 20-something feel good movies about life in New York. Good call Thersites.
Um, why not just sleep with her? Free pass.
is this one of those liar's paradox things? Because you'd be lying about wanting to have sex with her brother, and then to not get caught lying, you'd have to have sex with her brother, but you were lying about wanting to have sex with her brother, and you don't want to get caught lying....
Yeah, it gets complicated. Not as complicted as conversations like "why exactly did we invade that country again?" but structurally similar.
And then it could turn into one of those delightful 20-something feel good movies about life in New York. Good call Thersites.
Damned tags.
This conversation is what 20-somethings call 'feeling good'?
Wow. I am getting old....
I'm usually pretty good at turning off women but this is an ego thing. Women with bruised egos are deadly and aggressive.
To be fair, we all are....
be blunt then...ya might lose a friend but...sounds like she's drag anyway
Um, why not just sleep with her? Free pass.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:09 am | #
Because the moment she realized I would she'd realize she's not attracted to me and she's not.
Then I'd have to deal with making her feel guilty about the fact that she's not attracted to me. She'd get pissed for making her feel guilty and tell me she needs her space because I obviously can't handle being friends with a woman I'm attracted to.
I usually go with just telling the unvarnished truth. Of course, I also spent this weekend shut up in my room, so consider than in weighing the advice.
So.....
Who's manning the exit polls in Iraq?
And then it could turn into one of those delightful 20-something feel good movies about life in New York. Good call Thersites.
Starring at least someone from "Friends." Feh.
Set it in London and Hugh Grant gets another fat payday. Double feh.
SWR,
just tell her you had a messy break up and you don't want to have sex with her because of.
And why do you want to have sex with her brother?
So.....
Who's manning the exit polls in Iraq?
The international observers. In, er, Jordan.
Then I'd have to deal with making her feel guilty about the fact that she's not attracted to me. She'd get pissed for making her feel guilty and tell me she needs her space because I obviously can't handle being friends with a woman I'm attracted to.
SWR, I love you like a brother. And as your big sister, let me tell you this: you're thinking WAY too much about this.
Condi: "George, I love you."
George: "Condi, you know I'm a married man"
Condi: "oh, darnsies!"
George: "Oh, cheer up, sugar buns. How bout a promotion? You can be my secretary."
Condi: "Secretary of State??? Oh my god, I don't know what to say! I'm calling Mumsie right away!"
George: "Say huh? Wait.. no.. I meant... oh hell, this ain't good."
Who's manning the exit polls in Iraq?
The American military obviously.
And I don't envy them their job.
Set it in London and Hugh Grant gets another fat payday. Double feh.
But his hair is so...floppy!
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Starring at least someone from "Friends." Feh.
Set it in London and Hugh Grant gets another fat payday. Double feh.
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:11 am | #
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And Coldplay does the soundtrack! Or someone else suitably castrated, like Metallica.
I smell gold!
maybe you should pass her a note in period three english
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
That's a tough call, but honesty is the best policy. Nobody likes rejection, but if you are diplomatic you have a chance of saving the friendship. She'd probably rather get it straight up front than realize later that you bullshitted her.
The American military obviously.
It's very hard to simultaneously hold a machine gun, take down information on a little pad, and dodge car bombs.
Fuck Bush.
But we'd need a notification system while we're still on the "less fresh" thread.
here's a thought when yer talkin to yerself, there is a new thread...
SWR, I love you like a brother. And as your big sister, let me tell you this: you're thinking WAY too much about this.
Seriously, dude.
There's no harm in a little loving. She wants dick. You want pussy (I presume). You like her, she likes you.
What's the big deal?
Maybe she'll be dynamite in the sack, ever consider that?
You're too uptight about this.
Sounds like this situation bugs you a lot, pal, and you're so afraid of hurting her feelings or making her feel guilty or making her angry that you're immobilized.
Her feelings are her problem and you're making her problem yours. Relax. The only problem you've got is that she's sending you signals that you don't want to answer. Is that about right?
honesty....I think I did what your talking about when I was a young(middle aged married lady now)...I just wanted a flirt buddy...and when it got near kissing...fled the scene..
just feed her ego (flirt a little)...and never make that leap...
SWR, just drop a woman's name around her now and again (Important - make sure it's the same name every time - pick a favorite actress or similar) Have a friend call you occasionally, or if a relative calls, when she's around - use "hon" and "baby" throughout the conversation.
Note - you may have to buy many, many beers for a friend.
Also, I don't condone this behavior but I'm from the school that says "Where there's a will, there's a way out."
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Seriously, dude.
There's no harm in a little loving. She wants dick. You want pussy (I presume). You like her, she likes you.
What's the big deal?
Maybe she'll be dynamite in the sack, ever consider that?
You're too uptight about this.
Old Hat | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:15 am | #
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The problem is the whole gay brother dynamic. Very messy, because blood is thicker than water. But in the throws of passion, who knows what will happen?
wow - very interesting thing just happened on cnn. jane araff was reporting live from baquba from a polling station where no polling workers had shown up yet and there were no voters among other problems. the studio guy went off and commented 'this is a complete disaster, isn't it. confusion on how to vote,' etc. then switched back to araff for her comments and the feed went dead. prior live report from amanpour and subsequent report from nic robertson (that were rah-rah boosterish) both without interruption.
It's very hard to simultaneously hold a machine gun, take down information on a little pad, and dodge car bombs.
Be a soldier, a social worker, a cop and an election monitor.
All for (however much soldiers get paid these days).
Has anybody seen that commericial where this girl is about to tell her (cold distant jackass of a) father that she wants to join the army.
She says something like "dad. What if you could have a job where you could help 10 people help 10 other people" and he grunts and snorts "and how much does that pay?"
The joke of course is that the father thinks that his daughter wants to be something impractical like a social worker or an actress of an artist or something and isn't she going to surprise him (and show him he's wrong about her being a good for nothing) when she announces she's joining the army.
Utterly repulsive. Playing on the instincts of people to please their parents. I have to turn it off every time I see it.
What's the big deal?
Maybe she'll be dynamite in the sack, ever consider that?
You're too uptight about this.
Old Hat
Speaking from a position of having been in a similar position more than once, sometimes the complications aren't worth it.
Seriously.
Her feelings are her problem and you're making her problem yours. Relax.
Precisement.
So, the U.S. embassy suffered a rocket attack today. A symbol that there is no "safe place" in Iraq.
Which means the turnout for the vote is likely to be limited to the idiots, the insance, and the suicidal. In other words, it will be de minimus, at best.
And so the results will mean: what, exactly? Aside from being "historic," whatever the hell significance that has. The tsunami was historic, too, but I don't see how that's a good thing.
And with an "election" that means nothing, how will it be legitimized? More violence? More military raids, more Fallujahs (it's largely a pile of ruins under strict military supervision right now)? And this whole event is significant because?
I'm feeling trollish lately. I've changed my elf name to "Blisters."
There's no harm in a little loving. She wants dick. You want pussy (I presume). You like her, she likes you.
No. Actually I don't. Maybe I'm secretely gay or something but my last (bad) relationship had a lot of compulsive sex designed only to cover up the fact that we hated each other.
So I'm just not into sex right now. You'll understand when you hit 30 or so.
SWR,
Saw that the other day. Was astounded at the massive lie it was propagating.
maybe you should pass her a note in period three english
No, no, that's when I'm teaching.
Pass notes in math class. Not in my class....
bkny, I hope to god someone recorded that. I also hope the CNN studio guy doesn't lose his job but I have a feeling he may be "professionally disappeared" very soon.
Since honesty won't work, go to bed with her after taking an anti-Viagra. Trouble is there's not a big market for that stuff except for alcohol, and it can have complications.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:20 am | #
Mate, just talk about your bad relationship sometime and mention how not interested you are in sex or her gay brother. I'm sure she can then tick off her ego list as to why you don't want to fuck her and that'll be that.
Don't know about her brother though. But if you're not friends with him than who gives a shit?
Saw that the other day. Was astounded at the massive lie it was propagating.
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:20 am | #
The horrible thing about it is it's so well done.
That father reminds me of the father of every woman I've ever dated. You know he thinks you're worthless but you just have to prove yourself to him.
I think that's the strategy of the commericial. That girl is a bit too upper middle class to be the type who joins the army so the commericial's playing on some poor 20 year old working class kid's desire to impress some college girl or something.
God I hate it.
So I'm just not into sex right now. You'll understand when you hit 30 or so.
Tell me about it!
be blunt then...ya might lose a friend but...sounds like she's drag anyway
I agree. I have to say - everything you've said about this woman makes me wonder why you want her for a friend anyway. At a minimum, it doesn't sound like you have mcuh respect for her.
Whoops!
So I'm just not into sex right now. You'll understand when you hit 30 or so.
Tell me about it!
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the studio guy went off and commented 'this is a complete disaster, isn't it. confusion on how to vote,' etc. then switched back to araff for her comments and the feed went dead.
In all seriousness (and bitterness, yes, that too. "Blisters." I like it.), BBC had a report last week about "polling places." Because of "security concerns," those in charge of the voting were not revealing where the polling places would be.
Seriously.
No news on where to vote. Precious little campaigning, so no news on who to vote for. No knowledge on how to vote.
Only W. could call this an "historic occassion" as if it were a good thing. But then, Rice said at her hearing that the tsunami was an opportunity for the U.S., so anything is possible....
And with an "election" that means nothing, how will it be legitimized?
Just like in 2000 (I will defer to the setiment here that one dare not question 2004). You legitimize the election by proclaiming it so and then having the media "echo chamber" repeat the meme.
The tsunami was historic, too, but I don't see how that's a good thing.
Damnit, RMJ - when Condi calls something an "opportunity", you ask Ken Mehlman how much money he needs you to send and lick the stamp!
No news on where to vote. Precious little campaigning, so no news on who to vote for. No knowledge on how to vote.
Was this just in the black precincts, or all over the country?
Iraq Vote Results
so far...
Bush is ahead by 10 points.
Touche, Eli - very nice...
Utterly repulsive. Playing on the instincts of people to please their parents. I have to turn it off every time I see it.
Well, being in the military is all about helping people.
And when the HELL did we define "helping people" as destroying their cities, wrecking their country, destabilizing their culture, and sowing chaos and a whirlwind of destruction? How do we imagine that this is all somehow constructive and we should be welcomed as the international wrecking crew that gives you the opportunity to start over and get it right this time?
We really are, collectively, about the stupidest people on the planet.
"Blisters." I like it.
Condi must be English.
She talks too much: she doesn't know what a tounge is for.
What if you could have a job where you could help 10 people help 10 other people" and he grunts and snorts "and how much does that pay?"
This is an ad for an organization whose stated mission is to kill people. WTF???
War always ends in peace. If you hate war, you hate peace and you hate America! < /freepspeak
And when the HELL did we define "helping people" as destroying their cities, wrecking their country, destabilizing their culture, and sowing chaos and a whirlwind of destruction?
We're from the Pentagon, and we're here to help...
This is an ad for an organization whose stated mission is to kill people. WTF???
See RMJ's last post...
And when the HELL did we define "helping people" as destroying their cities, wrecking their country, destabilizing their culture, and sowing chaos and a whirlwind of destruction? How do we imagine that this is all somehow constructive and we should be welcomed as the international wrecking crew that gives you the opportunity to start over and get it right this time?
It's not even that that makes it so disgusting.
I can just see this 20 year old kid with a dead end job thinking that the military is his instant key to the middle class or at least the admiration of the middle-class.
There's been so much bullshit uniform worship after 9/11 (even by liberals) that it's damned tough for anybody not to see that it's a sales pitch to 18-25 year olds to be cannon fodder.
And guess what. In 10 years, those security moms with "Support Our Troops" stickers on their SUVs are not going to give those vets the time of day.
What if you could have a job where you could help 10 people help 10 other people...
Amway?
So anyway, when do we start calling the likes of Dahmer and Bundy "serial helpers"?
Iraq Elections
The way it's going...
this is almost going to be as bad as Florida.
Ok. SWR this is a "Friends/Joey" episode isn't it? Tell her you're really in love with Joey. Hilarity will then ensue.
No one at the polls? This is obviously another brilliant ploy by that mastermind of power-handing-off. The election was secretly held behind closed doors in a goat farm outhouse outside of Basra. The "Islamic But Not So Islamic as to be a Turn Off Party" is leading with 18 votes.
Suicide car bombing outside of polling station.
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SWR | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:31 am | #
Ha. It's ironic when you read Powell's autobiography, and how he is talking about rebuilding the post Vietnam military.
And then he pisses it all away for SoS.
Yeah, when I saw that commercial the first time, I wondered, what the hell could they possibly be advertising?
New ways to crush the soul all the time with these folks.
this is almost going to be as bad as Florida.
Well, yeah. With basically the same result.
Let's play "Spot the Cognitive Dissonance!"
Polls Open, Voters File in Across Iraq
By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqis voted Sunday in their country's first free election in a half-century, defying threats of violence from insurgents determined to sabotage the balloting. As he cast his vote, President Ghazi al-Yawer called it Iraq's first step "toward joining the free world."
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Al-Yawer was among the first to cast his ballot, voting alongside his wife at election headquarters in the heavily fortified Green Zone in central Baghdad. As poll workers watched, he marked two ballots and dropped them into boxes, and then walked away with an Iraqi flag given to him by a poll worker.
"I'm very proud and happy this morning," al-Yawer told reporters. "I congratulate all the Iraqi people and call them to vote for Iraq."
I can just see this 20 year old kid with a dead end job thinking that the military is his instant key to the middle class or at least the admiration of the middle-class.
Haven't seen the ad. If that's the import of it, you're right: it's not only disgusting, it's morally repugnant.
Had dinner with my brother-in-law tonight, Green Beret in Vietnam. He's concerned about the wounded from this war, says they'll be forgotten like they were after Vietnam. Wounded, little education, and their gonna get good jobs now? Not bloody likely.
The military is not now, and never has been, a ladder into the middle class.
RMJ, I've tried occasionally to tell people that we're the saddest species and received what can only be described as a horrified, "I'm calling the county mental health workers" look from them.
OTOH, the Army Corps of Engineers *does do some good work, from a civil engineering standpoint. You don't see a lot of "Build a Bridge" video games, though.
So anyway, when do we start calling the likes of Dahmer and Bundy "serial helpers"?
You see, I don't hate the military at all. I think this is a fucked up analogy. Of course the military's job is to kill people. But that's a necessary evil.
But level with people you're trying to recruit. Level with people that all of that hero worship about the uniformed services comes at a price. You're going to get abused in basic, sent to a war zone, shot at, quite possibly wounded, and when you come home all of those people who supported the war are going to want you to slink out of sight and not bother them.
"their," of course, should be "they're."
A signal that it's past my bedtime....
"I congratulate all the Iraqi people and call them to vote for Iraq."
...early and often.
In 10 years, those security moms with "Support Our Troops" stickers on their SUVs are not going to give those vets the time of day.
In 10 years, those security moms are going to be on the same bread line as those vets.
Iraq Elections
What is it really going to be like?
Suicide Bombs, Intimidation, Violence, Death, Chaos...
In other words, just another day.
Al-Yawer was among the first to cast his ballot, voting alongside his wife at election headquarters in the heavily fortified Green Zone in central Baghdad.
you mean the area where the U.S. embassy was hit by a rocket today? And that's the safe part of Iraq.
Yeah, I'd turn out to vote, too, especially if I couldn't vote in the Green Zone....
Eli,
Apparently, Mrs. al-Yawer is incapable of casting her own vote. Or speaking, for that matter.
I'll bet w is sleeping now, dreaming of condi....
You see, I don't hate the military at all. I think this is a fucked up analogy. Of course the military's job is to kill people. But that's a necessary evil.
That snark was not intended as a slap at the troops, just at anyone who uses "help" as a euphemism for "kill and generally lay waste to."
CS, you're right, I'd wager. Bush is sleeping through this most historic occasion.
Expletive.
Of course the military's job is to kill people. But that's a necessary evil.
I would tweak that a bit, SWR. I agree but I think it should be based on Defending America, not working as a high tech "hit man" for a corrupt White House Tenant.
Yes, let's join forces with those who are fighting tyranny or genocide; but we shouldn't be invading countries because we can't control our own appetite for natural resources and misplaced revenge.
Oedipus, you are President - what is your bidding?
I'll bet w is sleeping now, dreaming of condi....
Humming "Brown Sugar" in his sleep. Laura, sitting up against some pillows, smoking and popping Xanax like they're Pez.
Remember the Strategic Air Command's slogan?
Peace is our profession.
War is our hobby.
Nuclear annihilation is our dream.
MMMmmmmm miss condi. oh oh oh, you little armidillo. Get on over here, let me get my chaps..
YEAAAAA HOOOOOOOOOOOO
Of course the military's job is to kill people.
SWR
It's job is whatever Shrub fancies it to be for however long he chooses.
And that is pissing off a lot of career soldiers.
Peace Sells, But Who's Buyin'?
Late at night Laura calls her dealer for a little green medicine; now that she can't sell it anymore...
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That snark was not intended as a slap at the troops, just at anyone who uses "help" as a euphemism for "kill and generally lay waste to."
Eli | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:39 am | #
People are getting offended at a different thing about that commericial than I am.
Other people seem to be pissed that they're using "helping people" to describe military service.
That doesn't bother me.
What I found appalling about it is the way it's playing on that girl's desire to please her father (who you know she's never going to please). It's playing on that early 20s feeling of worthlessness, that your life is going nowhere.
SWR,
I hear what you're saying. Yeah, getting a camo outfit is going to please daddy.
I bet Daddy'll be real pleased when she comes home in a body bag.
It's an evil commercial, all around.
early 20's? Hell I'm 31 and more lost in life than ever...
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Hell I'm 31 and more lost in life than ever...
dieselcreek
You have at least another decade before its time to panic.
The military is not now, and never has been, a ladder into the middle class.
Robert M. Jeffers
With the promise of college money, a lot of working class and poor kids will still see it that way (I did). With the Iraq War, reality has set in, though--to an extent, and recruitment is way down.
the commericial's playing on some poor 20 year old working class kid's desire to impress some college girl or something.
"you go to war not with the army you want, but with the army you ...well- no complaints"
There's another one with a young black kid. They both run that "I'm afraid to tell my parent what I want to do, they won't approve" theme.
Then when they announce they want to join the Army, you get that parent with the "I'm proud of my kid but I won't make a big deal of it" combined with "wow, my kid is a pretty smart cookie - and a good one, too".
I'd like to see them targeting the pro-war trolls instead of the young and insecure, but I'm not sure that would be fair to the other troops. Maybe they could stick the wingnuts in their own platoon or something (I think a platoon's worth is about all they'll get).
The NBA champion Pistons will visit the White House on Monday, but Rasheed Wallace is not excited. ``I didn't vote for him,'' he said.
I hear the air force and navy recruiting is going alright. The rest are sucking.
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Off to bed now. I denounce you all, and I hope you all denounce me too!
Goodnight Michael Moore!
Chief!
McCloud!
hear what you're saying. Yeah, getting a camo outfit is going to please daddy.
I bet Daddy'll be real pleased when she comes home in a body bag.
But that father's not the kind of father most kids who enlist have. He's very obviously some kind of Wall Street type.
They're appealing to feelings of social mobility, to people stuck in deadend jobs.
It's perfect. The economy sucks and your options are limited. At the same time, the one sure fire way to get some easy social approval is to enlist. But those security moms in their SUV's are doing the equivalent of being nice to immigrant day laborer down the block they give a cookie to after he cleans out her garage.
It's like "oh you're great. Here's a cookie and 20 bucks. Not get lost and don't even think about dating my daughter."
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I'm bowing out. Gotta get my sorry ass up early tomorrow.
Remember:
Jenna Bush spelled sideways is Nujenbash.
And that can't be good.
The NBA champion Pistons will visit the White House on Monday, but Rasheed Wallace is not excited. ``I didn't vote for him,'' he said.
I think I may have to root for the Marlins to win the World Series, just to give Carlos Delgado a chance to tell Bush off...
Goodnight, watertiger! Goodnight, Thersites! Goodnight, Johnboy!
SWR- tell her she reminds you of her sister. If you don't have a sister, tell her she's like the sister you never had. That should get the message across.
It's perfect. The economy sucks and your options are limited.
SWR
And that's the core of the Rich Rethug strategy. It applies just as well outside the military. Instead of leaving a job for a salary/benefit increase, which is the normal path for a career, people are forced to stay in shitty jobs, work weekends, late hours, off the clock, fewer benefits.
And Shrub's bullshit about being the friend of small business makes me ill. He wants small businesses to go belly up so the big fish can buy them up at 10 cents on the dollar.
A little side note of the much ballyhooed Proctor&Gamble/Gillete marriage that Wall Street gets a boner over is that ~6,000 workers are getting pink slips.
swr, what you need to do is confuse her. buy her strange gifts and stuff. like go to a fabric store and buy say, 3 yards of green velvet and give it to her as a gift. for no reason.
Then when they announce they want to join the Army, you get that parent with the "I'm proud of my kid but I won't make a big deal of it" combined with "wow, my kid is a pretty smart cookie - and a good one, too".
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 01.30.05 - 12:46 am | #
Then there's the one with the kid who's the volunteer EMS tech. All of the real firemen/paramedics find this new respect for him when they realize he's going into the military.
When I was in boot camp, we went to a demonstration of various weaponry in a field of balloons (for damage effect). We sat in bleachers and they fired off claymores, grenades, LAWS rockets, etc. Then they fired everything at once.
Even having seen a few war movies, I was absolutely freaked out by the noise. You can't imagine what it must be like to be in true and severe combat, and I'm glad I never got the chance.
The sound of a grenade on the field when you've thrown it 25 ft is Nothing like what you hear in movies, and firing an M16 without earplugs is not a pleasant sensation to the ear.
I definitely feel for the poor souls that have fought and are stuck fighting for this country. It's no wonder that so many vets have problems readjusting to society when they come back.
Suicide Bombs, Intimidation, Violence, Death, Chaos...
We should have told the 101st Keyboarding Division Iraqis would be voting for democrats. We could have finally gotten trolls to go to Iraq-- at least to be poll watchers.
blash = Incognito
And Shrub's bullshit about being the friend of small business makes me ill. He wants small businesses to go belly up so the big fish can buy them up at 10 cents on the dollar.
And the same goes for all the real estate when people can no longer make thier house payments.
The "Renter Society."
Welcome to the new century.
Suicide bomb blast in Baghdad reported
More loud explosions being reported in baghdad
CNN reporters at 2 polls in Baquba and no poll workers there soBno voting
"P&G/Gillette merger to result in 6,000 layoffs- stock surges"
heh heh...glad I have P&G in my private personal account...heh heh- oh shit my company did a lot of business with Gillette!
Once the election is done, how long before Ayatollah Jerry, Pat "Miracle Man" Robertson and Dobson make their way to Iraq to start the 3rd Coming?
I forsee a lot of petitions to demand an anti-gay marriage amendment to the Iraqi constitution, demand that the Church be involved in all politcal decisions, and guaranteed underpriced oil that can be given to 700 Club Lifetime Members.
But I'm a cynic....
And guess what. In 10 years, those security moms with "Support Our Troops" stickers on their SUVs are not going to give those vets the time of day.
In ten years those security moms will be voting for some rethug who's promising to cut their taxes by terminating the VA.
I hear the air force and navy recruiting is going alright. The rest are sucking.
I hear there's a campaign to recruit people from the Navy to go over to the Army. It's called 'blue to green' or something like that.
Or begging the gov't for funding so they can pay for the care of their war-ravaged 33 yr old son, who can't feed himself or walk.
Once the election is done, how long before Ayatollah Jerry, Pat "Miracle Man" Robertson and Dobson make their way to Iraq to start the 3rd Coming?
Ripley
You mean Pat Liqour Officer Robertson?
I want all these rich, evil trust fund brats to have their own cordoned off Abu-Ghraib section in Hell.
Ripley, it will be a loooooong time before Iraq is safe enough for the likes of those goons, way things are going. None of those guys would ever end up nailed to a cross.
It's kind of hard to do exit polls if no one goes in to begin with. Now, the WH is going to spin this how?
SWR - just tell her the truth. You need a good friend more than you need a lover.
It's kind of hard to do exit polls if no one goes in to begin with. Now, the WH is going to spin this how?
The election's appeal is just more... selective.
Good to see my sheep are still up and chatting away.
Carry on.
LIVE COVERAGE OF THE IRAQI ELECTION. IRAQIS ARE TURNING OUT IN DROVES. NO VIOLENCE. A FEW HOURS TO GO. FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH. BUSH HAS BEEN VINDICATED, AND SO HAVE HIS PLANS FOR DOMESTIC REFORM IN AMERICA.
There must be some hell of an offer to get someone in the Navy to move over to the Army.
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Duncan Hack fucked my dirty asshole.
Now, the WH is going to spin this how?
Since when did reality get in their way? They'll talk about how W and Alawi had a nice 'visit' on the phone after he voted and how it was so gratifying for the Prime Minister to be able to vote in Iraq's first free and fair election.
Geraldo's got Chalabi on the phone live on Fox.
Surreal.
Why am I watching this?
Twisted shit.
and recruitment is way down
Actually, recruitment is way up recently for the Navy and the Air Force.
Can't imagine why. How is this like Viet Nam?
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I mean, he tore my shit up. Literally.
I will be so overfuckingjoyed when that damn Arnold movie gets shown and I never have to see that ad again.
shirty
No shit,
That's what the ads about?
Never read the verbage.
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sorry bout those sloppy tags
Anon? Could ya turn the volume down a notch? We can hear fine.
Quentin Compson licked the sweat off my balls while Lou_Tullio nibbled at them.
There must be some hell of an offer to get someone in the Navy to move over to the Army.
dieselcreek
No shit. It's one thing to paint some fantasy world picture to a 17 year old. It's quite another to convince a military veteran in a relatively safe billet that the service that's getting shot to pieces in Iraq is the place to be.
NO VIOLENCE. A FEW HOURS TO GO
You moron, it's around 10 AM in the morning in Iraq. The day has just started.
No Social Security for Everyone!
Kids retardation programs!
Raining frogs! Four Horsemen!
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I'm trolling for anal sex, so shutup, ok!???
The thing I like most about Atrios is that it pisses off the little freepers and makes their weiners droop. Evidently, it scares them so much they can't help but come here to find out what nefarious ideas we're hatching to overthrow the White House Tenant and protect senior citizens' right to a modicum of dignity and comfort.
I have never received any compensation for this or any other endorsement of Atrios.blogspot.com, or any text I have typed within this specific web location.
Latest Reports: mortars in Mosul and Baghdad
It's 9 AM in Baghdad, and there has already been one suicide bomber and several mortars.
I THINK THE IRAQIS SHOULD HAVE A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER THE AMERICANS SHOULD STAY OR GO.
Ripley fucked my mouth.
THIS IRAQI ELECTION IS A MAJOR TELEVISION EVENT. I'M MAKING POPCORN.
I'm getting smarter, I borrow homepages now too! Ain't it cool?
"Duncan Hack" has neither friends nor enemies who take him seriously. Ain't that sad?
Latest Reports: mortars in Mosul and Baghdad
scout prime
You're living up to your name.
There must be some hell of an offer to get someone in the Navy to move over to the Army.
You mean I'm going to give up fixing jets on the Nimitz to man a polling station where?
HA HA HA HA HA HA
A nascent Democratic state is a very difficult proposition. Lets not be quick to judge. There's nothing wrong here that a civil war and a thiry year reconstruction can't fix.
Are we still talking about Iraq?
The thing I like most about Atrios is that it pisses off the little freepers and makes their weiners droop.
Mt "Little Weiner" would be standing up straight if one of y'all'd fuck my tight ass.
Look at this article I just found over at Reuters, Meal from Hell Whets Appetite for US-Iran Clash
DAVOS, Switzerland (Reuters) - Call it the meal from hell.
A World Economic Forum dinner designed to promote dialogue between Iran and the United States on Friday night began with a comic strip series of diplomatic and gastronomic blunders, and ended with a sharp exchange over nuclear weapons.
With Iran's vice-president and foreign minister in the room, the organizers began by announcing they had disinvited Swiss cartoonist Patrick Chappatte, one of the listed panelists, because the issues were too serious.
The star guest, U.S. Senator Joe Biden, ranking Democrat on the Senate foreign relations committee, was missing. The organizers kept saying he was on his way.
Moderator David Ignatius, a Washington Post columnist, apologized for the fact that wine had been served, upsetting the Muslim guests. Waiters cleared the offending glasses.
They also removed the menus since the hotel had planned to serve non-hallal meat, breaching Islamic dietary rules. Even the soup spoons were withdrawn -- erroneously, it transpired.
I remember a friend of mine in high school telling me he was going into the Air Force. He said that there was no way he wanted to be a grunt in the line of fire of a bomber. He wore camo all the time and was obsessed with knives and guns.
He later gave the idea of joining the military entirely and became a doctor.
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Yeah, your right, this gang is beyond spin, there into North Korea 'Dear Leader smiles and the heavens, receiving His permission, and ever obidient to His desires, bring forth the sun to illuminate His divine path that we may follow Him as He leads His people into the victorious dawn He has decreed be shared by all of His loyal subjects.'
He later gave the idea of joining the military entirely and became a doctor.
dieselcreek
An MD doctor or a "doctor"?
If this person is an MD, tell us where he practices so we can steer clear.
There's just something about a soup spoon withdrawn.
(cont.)
The questioning quickly focused on Iran's disputed nuclear program and the risk of a U.S. or Israeli military strike on its atomic facilities.
Kharrazi swore anew the program was purely for peaceful, civilian purposes, contrary to U.S. and Israeli charges that it is a front for a secret drive to build nuclear weapons.The minister insisted Iran had every legal right to develop its scientific potential, including by mastering the enrichment of uranium, a process that can help make a bomb.
Perhaps feeling the atmosphere was becoming too heated, hotel staff opened the windows, sending a blast of icy alpine air (outdoor temperature -15 C) through the room.
Biden finally arrived an hour and 20 minutes late, having gone to the wrong hotel. His wife's figure-hugging leather pants and a top that left her arms bare from the shoulders were in stark contrast to Vice-President Masoumeh Ebtekar's all-enveloping chador, although both wore black.
LIVE COVERAGE OF THE IRAQI ELECTION. IRAQIS ARE TURNING OUT IN DROVES. NO VIOLENCE. A FEW HOURS TO GO. FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH. BUSH HAS BEEN VINDICATED, AND SO HAVE HIS PLANS FOR DOMESTIC REFORM IN AMERICA.
Anonymous
faux also declared the kool-aid ration has been raised from 4 to 2-
9/11 is avenged...
He truly is a sweet harmless guy. Well liked, but a bit odd growing up. He is an MD in northern Michigan the last I heard.
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MSNBC reports hearing 15 explosions in Baghdad
one suicide car bomber
one suicide vest bomber
explosion at poll in basra
although both wore black
Black is as black does.
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Great comedy with Geraldo on Fox.
#137 Iron Fist 1/29/2005 10:15PM PST Yo bros! im over at atrios and im totally fucking with their heads using their own names to make them think theyre all assholes hahahaha they cant handle the fist cus they know id kick their ass so fast it would make theyre momma beg for mercy
I sound like the neighbor of a serial killer, "He was a sweet, normal quiet guy..."
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Long lines in Sadr City.
Theocracy anyone????
I'm sure those are just celebratory car bombs, nothing to get all excited about.
The trolls are melting, meeelllltiiingg.
Duncan Hack fucked my dirty asshole.
WKD
Well wash next time.
Do you have no class?
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dieselcreek fucked my sweaty asshole.
Wow, and I was so totally fooled, too...
Col Jack Jacobs (MOH) on MSNBC: "I think that our expectations have been managed very well."
Nailed.
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Yeah, that's a local Iraqi custom. They don't shoot bullets into the air out of joy. They blow vehicles into the air.
Hey Anon:
I THINK THE IRAQIS SHOULD HAVE A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER THE AMERICANS SHOULD STAY OR GO.
From Juan Cole:
Zogby International did a poll of 805 Iraqis between January from January 19 to 23, 2005 in the cities of Baghdad, Hilla, Karbala and Kirkuk, as well as Diyala and Anbar provinces.
Results:
Sunni Arabs who want the US out of Iraq now or very soon: 82%
Shiites who want the US out of Iraq now or very soon: 69%
Sounds like they been listening to Teddy.
MSNBC is calling the explosions in Baghdad, "Quantity, not quality."
No. Fucking. Shit.
if the election is deemed fair, it will be a perfect time for the americans to get out of dodge. the victory will be largely symbolic. who rules iraq will ultimately be determined by the bullet. the tragedy here is that we could have held an election a long time ago, secured a shiite victory, and left. whe could have then exerted limited military power and indirect help. an earlier election would have also secured more help from the rest of the world. the americans have yet to demonstrate good faith or what their real intentions are.
You know what happens if you feed a troll after midnight?
That's right, same thing as what happens when you feed 'em any other time.
And in other Reuters news:
OTTAWA (Reuters) - A Canadian who masturbated at a window in his house won his appeal against a conviction for indecency on Thursday after Canada's top court ruled there was no evidence of intent to commit an indecent act, and a home was not a public place.
The Supreme Court of Canada noted that British Columbian, Daryl Clark, had agreed it was an indecent act to have masturbated "in an illuminated room near an uncovered window visible to neighbors."
But Justice Morris Fish, writing the 9-0 decision, said such acts have to be done in public places to be a crime -- and a home was not a public place. The law also says indecent acts are only crimes in every location if the person intends to give offense.
Clark was convicted of an indecent act in a public place and given a four-month sentence after a prosecution that followed complaints from his neighbor, named in court documents only as Mrs. S.
The woman said she spotted Clark while she was watching television with her two young daughters in their family room.
She alerted her husband, and the couple observed Clark from their darkened bedroom for 10 or 15 minutes -- also using binoculars and a telescope -- before summoning the police, who said the upper part of Clark's body was visible from just below the navel.
Geraldo is so sickening.
WTF? Is Geraldo drunk?
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Blogwhoring for my cynical "Wingnut Christmas in January" post.
Some ex-Colonel on MSNBC is playing up the success of the election. He first pointed out that "expectations were managed very well". That's such a repetitive theme with this administration: expect a barbed wire enema, and if you only get a coupla fingernails yanked out, well, you're ahead. Secondly, he says there are no "big noise" events. Just some rockets and machine gun fire at the polls.
Jeebus, machine gun fire at voting places is a goddamned success?
We've jumped the shark, circled back and sodomized it.
That's right, same thing as what happens when you feed 'em any other time.
You get shit all over the furniture?
The Kenosha Kid bent me over and had his way with my sweaty asshole while Central Scrutinizer made sweet motuh love to my lips.
WTF? Is Geraldo drunk?
Drunk on the kool-aid
That's right, same thing as what happens when you feed 'em any other time.
Nuh uh. They're basically plant life and require sunshine for photosynthesis - so feeding them after dark doesn't count.
I'm Iron Fist, LGF? Goddam I used to be tough enough to use my own name when I trolled. Must be getting soft.
Wanker of the Day for Saturday
Hindrocket at powerlineblog
President Bush is not content to be the best President since Reagan; he wants to be the greatest President since Lincoln. I still think he has a shot. The next few months will tell a great deal.
as noticed by armando at kos
She alerted her husband, and the couple observed Clark from their darkened bedroom for 10 or 15 minutes -- also using binoculars and a telescope -- before summoning the police,
This is joke, right? Please tell me this is joke.
Tell her she's gay?
Had that happen to me once. Guy bought me a drink at a club, thought that would convince me to go home with him. Ahem. Told him no. Kept telling him no. One thing led to another. He asked if I was a lesbian, like that would put me in my place.
We girls know the answer to this one:
"Are you the alternative?"
Because, honestly, even a flaming hetero like me would rather do a woman than an asshat who would say something like that.
catalexis blew his wad deep in my throat
"An aide to anti-occupation Iraqi Shiite leader Moqtada Al-Sadr has reiterated opposition to the controversial general vote, warning it runs the risk of a deadly sectarian conflict. . . We believe that the vote is an attempt to legitimize the occupation and would never sign up to any such thing."
Guess that would be the Shiite wing of the Shiite Party.
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the troll is a vital part of the blogospheric ecosystem.
"also using binoculars and a telescope -- before summoning the police"
They just wanted to get a mole count for the purpose of proper identification.
The Kenosha Kid bent me over and had his way with my sweaty asshole while Central Scrutinizer made sweet motuh love to my lips.
Do you have a problem with that, namestealer?
Geraldo used to live near me, and he also owned a local newspaper here in New Jersey.
LJ must be a fat bitch. A hot chick wouldn't say such things.
Nuh uh. They're basically plant life and require sunshine for photosynthesis - so feeding them after dark doesn't count.
Fungi are not plants, and this particular variety crumbles to dust upon exposure to sunlight.
Tonight, as the Iraqi people vote for their new... well, not tonite.. I mean, it's tonite here but it's tomorrow there, it's a time zone thing... as the Iraqi people vote in the first democratic election they've held in 12,000 years, we see that freedom is on the mar... what? I didn't say 12,000 years, now let me finish... the Iraqi people are showing America that they were right and our system of... what? no, I said the American people can see we were right... so as we gaze upon the horizon of democracy, we see that the conflux of democracy can never be stop... what? when did I say conflux? who's giving this speech dammit? the American people owe much to the Iraqis for bringing us democracy tonite and we thank them for... huh? now why the hell would I say that? Where's Karl???
Central Scrutinizer must need a crying towel to wip that spooge off his chin.
Troll needs to scurry back to Freeperville before midnight to get reaffirmation he's right or turn into a pumpkin.
QCJCVWVVCKV, GKMFDDHDD GFGFJS MHJGX,
BGMHD, HMGF. NHVCG JMHCC HGF!
And that the facts.
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the troll is a vital part of the blogospheric ecosystem.
I'm not really sure there's an ecological need for a lifeform that eats shit and converts it into... more shit.
I like to "back my ass up" for Eli.
He tears my sweaty asshole up all the time, baby.
Eli, no joke, here
You know, I'm completely oblivious to whether trolls are attracted to me or not...
Man, I thurn my back for one second and my name gets stolen.
Hi Gordo, still pissed that I am your god in every way, sweet thing?
Troll needs to scurry back to Freeperville before midnight to get reaffirmation he's right or turn into a pumpkin.
See Eli - plant life.
Eli, no joke, here
Not sure they arrested the right person...
The troll hates to hear that things are falling apart in Iraq, so he resorts to namestealing.
Pretty sad.
And a door prize for Eli, who gets in in one!
What happened in here, did a troll bar just let out or something? These little peckheads are just swarmin' around the house, cut-and-pastin', and typin' in all caps an' shit. Puttin' on other people's nicks and acting like they think they're Robspiere ordering the deaths of all who speak against their new world order.
More ducks, we're going to need more ducks.
he wants to be the greatest President since Lincoln. I still think he has a shot.
Rather Freudian turn of phrase there.
Geraldo just called himself an "old soldier." Was he in the armed forces?
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Ahahaha. I love the title of the Reuters article about the Canadian wanker. "Master of his Domain". A homage to Seinfeld. Nice.
Troll needs to scurry back to Freeperville before midnight to get reaffirmation he's right or turn into a pumpkin.
See Eli - plant life.
Roberto Benigni had a great little soliloquy about pumpkins in Night On Earth...
he wants to be the greatest President since Lincoln. I still think he has a shot.
Rather Freudian turn of phrase there.
Karin
Sic Semper Tyrannis
catalexis just burrowed for some hershey delight
for a lifeform that eats shit and converts it into... more shit.
My dog does that. In fact, that very principle probably sustained many forms of life and made them possible.
Geraldo just called himself an "old soldier." Was he in the armed forces?
I think he meant 'little soldier' but I'm not absolutely sure.
Sic Semper Tyrannis
that you, albert?
I like to imagine all of you guys having sex because I'd like to have sex with you. I like to imagine all the women are vicious bitches because I don't like women, as a rule.
But really I don't have friends of either gender- and my dog ran away- at least that's what mom says.
"Little Soldier"
Aaaaaaaaahahahahahaha.
Take that Jerry Rivers!
The Kenosha Kid bent me over and had his way with my sweaty asshole while Central Scrutinizer made sweet motuh love to my lips.
That makes me want to masturbate in front of my picture window.
that you, albert?
Karin
As in albertchampion?
No, he's on sabbatical.
That makes me want to masturbate in front of my picture window.
Dang, I can't remember where I put my binoculars...
WTF? Is Geraldo drunk?
"Geraldo" and "drunk" are redundant concepts.
Sometimes Alberto and I will just start wrestling around the Oval Office, you know, like men will do. And he'll get me in one of his Gonzo headlocks - I like to call him Gonzo because he's so crazy, ya see? Anyway, Gonzo will get me all locked up and tell me to touch his weiner and he'll let me go. So I'll struggle a little bit like I'm fightin him, see, and then I'll let a fart on him and say Hey Gonzo, smell that? That's freedom and I'm the president of the united states so you'd better let me go he he he. Then we'll usually drink a beer and talk about who has a hotter secretary, me or him and if he has a hotter secretary then I'll call Condi and have Gonzo's secretary reassigned to me.
But we have to look forward, America.
What? Tyrant in control of America? Well I never!
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Ha anyone else noticed toght the bs talking points repubs are schilling that some peopl ewant to see this election fail in congress...what a bunch of shit......
Got guests, later people.
Please ignore Gordo and his limp wristed stealing of my name. Afterall, I am his god in every way, and impersonation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Shooting within earshot of Geraldo.
How soon before he puts a helmet on?
"Gerendo Revolver."
Complete with lisping spit.
Well, they rolled up the sidewalks here a few hours ago, and I am off to dream of a monthlong impeachment spectacular special on C-Span.
P.S. Any comments purporting to come from me after this are the work of twit-morph Jr. there. Night all.
I was wondering the same thing. But he just couldn't mess the hair.
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dieselcreek and I touched eachother in our special places.
Yeah hoooooo
I'm out too.
So Fek off, namestealing sissyboys.
The library?
cheers all, time fer bed.
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Allawi just voted. In what looked like a Green Zone bunker.
CNN International, if you get it, is probably a better source of information than its domestic cousin.
Geraldo's like my old pal the Amway salesman.
Good night, all.
WE ARE FORCING THE IRAQIS TO BE FREE. IT IS HI TIME THIS IMPORTANT POLITICAL PRINCIPLE(A PRINCIPLE YOU ALSO FIND IN NATURE), IS FINALLY BEING UTILIZED BY A GREAT STATESMAN.
The Iraqi people are experiencing freedom for the first time.
And you all wanted to stop them.
Thank God for George W. Bush.
So pathetic. At least the NST got my gender right.
The lines of voters are backing up on CNN.
All to spite the cowards, naysayers, and critics.
Noooooooo! DON'T LEAVE ME HERE!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
How are they experiencing freedom? I'd say being scared to death every day is hardly freedom.
George Bush is a coward, btw.
...this just in faux news elected Prefect of Iraqu... and its future
The Iraqi people are experiencing freedom for the first time.
And you all wanted to stop them.
ether
They don't know the policies of those they are "voting" for. Indeed, until just hours ago, they didn't even know who was running.
How exactly is that any different from being forced to vote for Saddam Hussein and his thugs?
I'm out, too. Gonna trip through some of my fave sites, then get some shut-eye. Niters all.
How exactly is that any different from being forced to vote for Saddam Hussein and his thugs?
No-one shot at them?
The Iraqi people are experiencing freedom for the first time..
Aaaaah the clueless and the patronizing. Thank god we've "saved" the Iraqi people. How did they ever get along without us over the last 4500 years?
If they're experiencing freedom, they're experiencing a lot of it without water and electricity.
Because they're free to vote in an election that means nothing, Nas... freedom is on the march to a sweet, free cliff...
Petroleum:
They aren't being forced to vote.
That's the difference.
The election is only the beginning, not the end. What happens if democracy results in the US being told to get out?
We freed the hell out of the Iraqis.
The Iraqi people are experiencing freedom for the first time.
And you all wanted to stop them.
Thank God for George W. Bush.
ether-troll
I don't get the connection.
Gourdhead.
BushCo will spin it into a victory, Nick, and thousands of Iraqis will die.
Huh.. where have I heard that before?
If they're experiencing freedom, they're experiencing a lot of it without water and electricity.
No, they're experiencing freedom *from* water and electricity.
It's all about the framing.
The exit polls are in Busg has won Tikrit...
Make 'em bleed til they're free!!
This moment of unvarnished McPatriotism brought to you by the Bar Stool Soldiers of America
Early exit polling indicates Saddam is leading.
Petroleum:
They aren't being forced to vote.
That's the difference.
ether
ether, work it out in your head.
We lost 1,400 young people in order to ensure that the Iraqi population would *not* be forced to vote?
Is that what you are somewhat feebly suggesting is the reason for this country's offering of so much blood and treasure?
Thank God for George W. Bush.
ether
fish
...however the Allawi campaign Chair says Ohiolla... will go for freedom
Condi: "The results are in, Mr President. The election has resulted in a clear vote"
Bush: "Thank god that crap is over with. Did we take Florida and Ohio?"
Condi: "The Iraqi election, sir"
Bush: "The what-y election? Don't tell me we lost Ohio"
Condi: "Sir, you're already the President. I'm talking about the election in Iraq! They've chosen freedom over tyrrany and you're a hero!"
Bush: "Iraq, huh? Yeah, a hero sounds good... maybe one o' them meatball subs with the sauce on it. You ever see those kids at Subway? They call 'em sandwich artists. That's what we need is a way to make my policies look good. I'll bet that meatball sub is good."
Ripley,
No, they're experiencing freedom *from* water and electricity.
It's all about the framing.
Good one, Mr. Lakoff. And on that note, I'm off to bed.
No, they're experiencing freedom *from* water and electricity.
It's all about the framing.
Eli
I stand corrected.
The word freedom has been tortured to near death by the right wing lately. I think that the only freedom that the wingers really believe in is the freedom to do whatever they want to maximize profits and accumulate as much lucre as possible.
I think that the only freedom that the wingers really believe in is the freedom to do whatever they want to maximize profits and accumulate as much lucre as possible.
Wait... Are you suggesting that "Freedom" might have... *other* meanings? Tell me more of this strange new concept of "Freedom" of which you speak.
Rove has his goddamned finger on the pendulum that needs to swing a hard left any time now.
The later the worser.
They call 'em sandwich artists. That's what we need is a way to make my policies look good. I'll bet that meatball sub is good.
Ripley
That's a job in "manufacturing", right?
Hey, it's just Republican Tough Love, Bruce. Thank god we have the Patriot Act to ensure our continuing freedom from people who want to disrupt our way of life.
It's really disturbing to witness such blatant pessimism, defeatism, and partisan hyperbole concerning the ongoing elections. Iraqis are lined up to voice their opinions in the one way the can: by showing terrorists they are not afraid to die for their voice. All the while defeatist "progressives" are secretly wishing them ill in their safe cozy tribeca apartments just to satisfy their own selfish need for post Bush-reelection redemption.
You all make me sick.
History will soon forget you and your "progressive" ideas.
Election 2004 was just the start.
Long live a free Iraq!
Goodnight.
This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers, stories of which were spread everywhere among the people, and later by the prisoners who were freed
were not, as some assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."
--Rudolf Hoess, the SS commandant at Auschwitz.
I'm not here for History. Bush has already forgotten You, ether.
Goodnight.
ether
bitch
INCOG!
You're back!
You'd think, as know-it-all as most of these trolls are, one of them would at least *try* to answer the question of what the US would/should do if, after all the trouble we've gone to, a free democratic Iraq told us to get out?
I guess it's because, down deep, they believe the same thing we do- that the election is more or less meaningless, because we are the de facto ruling party and will be so for many years to come.
What I'm still not understanding is how a "free Iraq" is supposed to help me or John Q American. Aside from the fact that a "free Iraq" means we can get "free oil" from Iraq.
Did I miss a Fox talking point again?
Nick, they can't separate Iraq from Bush. Free Iraq is a Bush subsidiary ready to be spun off and go public, so to speak.
How many permanent bases are we building in Iraq? Five?
Yup, it's moi.
Well, there's this quaint document called "The Constitution". It has this silly list of demands called "The Bill of Rights", and now the real knee slapper, there is some mention of "due process." God, Albert Gonzales had a good laugh over that one.
Apparently these guys thought that good laws could protect your freedom. They should know that only money can do that.
My profound suspicion is that Cheney's "national security clearance only" Energy meeting at the start of the first junta in 2001 was to decide how to divy up Iraq's crude.
Damn, I wish the minutes of that greasy pow-wow were made public.
Too many, Lou. Meanwhile, in America.... what security?
Long live a free Iraq!
Goodnight.
ether-troll
Like you ever gave a fucking shit.
Begone, useless timewaster!
Whoops above comment was to answer this pesky question:
Tell me more of this strange new concept of "Freedom" of which you speak.
"With nintey five percent of Iraqis voting in the new acting head, we have a confirmation of the wishes of the people. We have been shown they have a unified vision. We know see there is a mandate in Iraq."
In other news. Pakschemd Al Bin Schelp, coplains about the poor voter turnout despite the media proof numbers were exceptionally high. A voice of reason denounced Schleps comments as the snivelings of poor losers.
The goons at Tom Ridge Field sure like to rifle through people's bags.
I can't tell you how many nail clippers I've had confiscated.
It's like a cattle call for an acting or modeling job. Millions of people show up and the directors look at them and say "Not him, not her, not him, not her" and decide who gets the America dream.
The weird thing with BushCo is their mantra seems to be "If you haven't made it yet you never will, so no help for you." Yet they whine about small business, American way of life, ownership society, etc.
They're probably using Diebold machines over there, too.
It's a shame about people like ether. He must really think we're evil, evil people.
Yeah, Inc - it might be Some small comfort if they didn't still have Bush/Cheny on them.
"We think we've worked out most of the Bush..errr.. bugs and this will be a completly fair and legitmate election process."
Sr. Diebold Spokesperson
Geraldo will soon be twirling tongues with Kenneth Blackwell.
Over at Kos they have posted a list of the number of seats each group will get, rumored to be the results of the election before the election happens. Allawi's slate gets the most, Sistani's gets the second. It'd be interesting to see how this matches up.
Why do I get the feeling that the pictures of lines of voters are images of paid extras?
I'll have to look to see if Chalabi's got a listing in the LA411.
Lou, just wait for the shot that has a McDonald's or Osco drug sign in the background.
I think Geraldo's on a rooftop in Palms.
They never answer the question. It seems so obvious. I don't honestly know what I'd think if the Iraqis told us to get out- though it would not come as a surprise.
They like to make it sound like once this election takes place, it's all good going. But all this election does is choose the Iraqi version of the Constitutional Convention and, according to the BBC just now, they won't finish counting votes til the end of Feb. It's almost impossible to guess when or even if (this isn't pessimism, it's realism) they'll get done, and be ready for the next round.
It's so different from when our government got going- after all, the Founding Fathers, who had years to think about how they wanted to set up the US, had to scratch the Articles of Confederation and start over- what, six years in? I just don't think the Iraqis have enough time to themselves to come up with a workable government. Too many pressures from within and without.
I'd be damn glad to be proven wrong.
Long live a free Iraq!
Goodnight.
ether-troll
Like you ever gave a fucking shit.
Begone, useless timewaster!
MisterX
Do you ever get the feeling that 90% of the right wing who are so passionate about the "Islamic Fundamentalist threat" couldn't have found Afghanistan on a map or wouldn't have known Osama Bin Laden from a loaf of bread before 9/11? It's like all of a sudden every drooling moron became a middle eastern "expert" overnight. I hope that Iraq becomes a democracy, but the idea that we are going to "liberate" a civilization that's been around thats been around 20 times as 4000 years longer than we've been a nation is just, well incredibly fucking clueless. (Really words fail me here.)
The gaffer's done an amazing job lighting it up for him.
Let me know when Geraldo begins his whirling dervishes dance.
When exactly did Geraldo become such a twit?
It's interesting to think about:
Say 9/11 was actually prevented. How then would we have known about this Islamic fundamentalist threat that's the greatest danger since Nazism?
Another Bruce: and if you try to question these self-styled 'experts' they hand you a line of shit about wishing Bush and the Iraqis ill from your loft in Tribeca. As little as they seem to know about the Middle East, or history in general, they know even less about us- their fellow citizens.
If anyone believes that Alawi is going to ask the US to leave Iraq, I want some of the drugs you're taking. Not going to happen. We'll be there for that "extra" year. Then another. Then another. And so forth.
Also, I am so damned sick and tired of hearing this referred to as a "war" when it clearly was/is a massacre. Taking the world's most powerful military against a nation that had been under crippling sanctions for the past 12-13 yrs and claiming it's a war...fuck me a'runnin'.
Yeah. Proud Americans. Fucking United Statesians. We done so good, you know???
Oh.....FIDDLESTICKS.
Hasn't he always been a twit?
No sign of dervishness yet. His hour's over but they bring him back when things get slow for his special brand of faux exhuberance.
just keep shopping!
There's an attitude among some of them that simply using the word "democracy" and holding a dubiously legitimate election will somehow stop any and all violence in Iraq cold.
30 days after the election, the new gov't will be in place, everything will run smoothly and Iraq will become a shining city on the hill, like America.
Nevermind the people that are absolutely fucking beside themselves that we invaded their country, for whatever reason. Oh, and the people from other Arab countries that "just can't get it thru their heads how great and malevolent America is."
Like I said, these people can't separate Iraq from BushCo's piss poor representation of freedom. Basically, we're transferring our freedom onto Iraq because BushCo couldn't protect us on Sept 11, 2001. But by making Iraq free, we've somehow quashed any terrorism that might exist in the world. Iraq is free, yay! let's lay down our arms, Muslim brothers!
It's fucking doe-eyed, pie in the sky, cry when the Anthem is played because you're a McPatriot bullshit, served on a cracker with champagne by BushCo's fuckmonkeys at Fox.
< /rant>
I doubt they even understand what or where Tribeca is they just heard that phrase passed around in wingnutville.
Jenny from the Blog-- how's it going? been a while...'Raldo's been a twit since he came out emptyhanded from Al Capone's vaults. He tried valiantly to save face that night, but it's been downhill ever since.
shirty: that is *the* Catch-22.
shirty -
Great comment. Pre-911 there was no great Islamic fundamentalist threat. the 911 attack could have been thwarted -- we had the information.
Now of course we do have the total emnity of the Islamic world and we are in real danger. Thanks, Chimpy!
When exactly did Geraldo become such a twit?
Jenny from the Blog
Ummmm... like five years before Al Capone's Vault, perhaps?
Ripley, rant away. It's such colossal bullshit that no sane person would stick a fork in it.
Besides, if anyone had two brain cells to rub together, they'd quikly realize what Bush's concept of "freedom" is. He's hacking it to death in his own country, the little fuckwad.
If the rumor sheet that the Iraqi election results are preplanned is correct:
Allawi gets 40 seats for his slate.
Sistani gets 30.
Al-Yawar gets 15 seats.
And the Kurds, united get a total of 55 seats.
Hey Nick -
I've been so busy lately. Just dropped by to see what's up. That's right about Geraldo... I forgot about Capone's vault, heh.
Goodnight all. Glad to see this reality based Eschaton still humming!
Ripley, it is pie in the sky bullshit idealism.
And we on the left are accused of wanting to sit down for tea with bloodthirsty terrorists and convince them in the power of pink fuzzy bunnies.
They actually believe it, but coming through some kind of democracy bastardization.
Reporter: "Mr President, you've spoken of freedom quite a bit lately. Could you tell us how you define "freedom"?"
Bush: "That's a good question, son. I guess when I think of freedom, I.. excuse me, I just have to wipe a tear away.. when I think of freedom, I'm basically looking at America and thanking god for the bountificous harvests and the fact that grandmothers can send little Johnny $2 for his birhtday and thanking God that I haven't been thrown in jail yet. Next question?"
Sort of like "limosine liberals." Wing nuts are basically dumb. The best they have is sloppy thinking instead of critical thinking so are easily pointed in the direction at who they can blame for whatever in their lives and like Night of the Living Dead zombies, here they come. Which is all planned. The Powers the Be keep us fighting amongst ourselves while they rob us all blind.
I really meant "whom." Really, I did.
preplanned election results...damn, how did they come up with that idea?
never mind, I'm going to bed, where I will count Iraqis standing in voting lines as I drift into vaguely troubled sleep...
Saddam and OBL have copy right symbols branded on each of their ass. PR firms know how to do that brand recogniction magic you know...as soon as the Soviet Union began to break up they had their new and improved boogy men lined up and ready to be launched with a savy media champaign blitz.
"we have nothing to fear but fear itself"
so keep shopping.
Say 9/11 was actually prevented. How then would we have known about this Islamic fundamentalist threat that's the greatest danger since Nazism?
By reading PDBs, or by paying attention to the numerous specific warnings that Condi Rice got about terrorists planning to hijack civilian aircraft?
Just a guess.
Incognito, divide and conquer. Really basic. Always works.
Rofl Beth
(Really words fail me here.)
Another Bruce
Yeah, I know. Suddenly, the Right and it's minions are all about "Spreading Freedom and Democracy in the Middle East" like it's some kind of margarine at room temperature. And their minds are slices of stale bread.
Like they EVER gave a good goddam about ANY fucking body else.
Useless timewasters.
Plus, it's odd, considering their intellectual forebearers in the US and Britain worked so hard to undemocratize the middle east.
does SRW want to keep her as his friend for the social and bizz contacts? if yes, then i would say, hold your nose, become lovers then when you have gotten the networking done, dump her with as much grace as possible.
or just be honest and if she enjoys your platonic company she will move on to her next quarry with the support of a nice guy.
If you're not attracted to someone who's attracted to you but you want to keep her as a friend, how do you do it?
SWR | 01.29.05 - 11:46 pm | #
Start fucking someone else.
Drudge has a pic on his site of a sunrise over a mosque like Iraq's new day is dawning and their long night is finally over.
It doesn't get cheesier.
Ya'll were telling him to get her laid. Liberal guilt only goes so far.
Check out Dowd's in the NYT. It is like a bad Skin-A-Max flick.
Wow, the Conservative Voice has outdone itself this time...
Nearly 85% Of Blacks Will Be On Food Stamps at Some Point
Hey, some real facts might be nice - the speculation gets a little old after... oh, Every Day !! These writers are pathetic.
"National assembly! National Assembly!"
Heard throughout Iraq a mandate is felt as huge voter turnouts herald in a new Iraq. Huge numbers tunred out for the elections. It's a huge response showing the Iraqis want democracy in their country in a huge way.
I just heard Shep Smith say this on Fox News (I'm paraphrasing from memory):
"So far this morning, we've had rocket attacks, morters, suicide bombings, intimidation, and may people injured. But that's the secondary headline. The main story is that things are going very, very well."
I kid you not.
John Gillnitz: Ya'll were telling him to get her laid. Liberal guilt only goes so far.
"Not I," said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw.
I thought his recent breakup was more than enough reason to be honest -- he's not ready. Women understand that. Sometimes. 80% of the ones that don't -- stalkers.
He could embellish it, but no need to do so.
Then again, I thought the "molested by relative that you remind me of" was nearly Rovian in its artistry, too. But I'm a warped puppy.
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Inc, it's probably from Pakistan or America.
Freedom? Yes, that's great and all... but could we have some fucking food and water?!?
So we're really not going to find out the results of the election until February?
Maureen on torture chicks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/3...ion/
30dowd.html?
Kinda turns one's stomach. This administration is so vile.
All the while defeatist "progressives" are secretly wishing them ill in their safe cozy tribeca apartments just to satisfy their own selfish need for post Bush-reelection redemption.
All this time I've been living in Manhattan and only thinking that I've been living in a southern city?
Wow. I really must be delusional.
Commentators are explaining the trickle of voters by supposing that most people voted in the previous two days.
Nearly 85% of Conservatives Will Be On Payola Scams at Some Point
Carpbasman: All this time I've been living in Manhattan and only thinking that I've been living in a southern city?
Yeah, you should see the Tribeca section of Gnashvegas, TN. You can see the Titans practicing from those lofts, baby.
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What, you mean this administration is basically an Amway scam?
I just heard Shep Smith say this on Fox News (I'm paraphrasing from memory):
"So far this morning, we've had rocket attacks, morters, suicide bombings, intimidation, and may people injured. But that's the secondary headline. The main story is that things are going very, very well."
I kid you not.
Lou_Tullio: Commentators are explaining the trickle of voters by supposing that most people voted in the previous two days.
Yeah, and there's been too much focus on the wingpiece payola scandalS from the SCLM, so they forgot to mention this on Thursday or Friday.
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Bush was born a Diamond but thinks he worked his way up from a Pearl.
Lmao Beth No kidding - yet they'll spin themeselves into a frenzy, trying to get out of it smelling nice.
YYZ: "So far this morning, we've had rocket attacks, morters, suicide bombings, intimidation, and may people injured. But that's the secondary headline. The main story is that things are going very, very well."
I kid you not.
$5 to the first person to make this available to me in WVM or MOV. That's uncanny.
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YYZ, I just noticed your name... ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding dang, I never get the rhythm right !
Peart is the master
Yeah, you should see the Tribeca section of Gnashvegas, TN. You can see the Titans practicing from those lofts, baby.
More often my cats tend to get scared when the Tigers score a touchdown because of the fire works. Obviously the Tigers play in the Liberty Bowl, which is located in Chinatown.
SWR, my solution was to tell the person that we all needed as many friends as we could get and that I would be his friend, his good friend. It worked for me.
The other thing that worked when I was much younger was to ask the person in question to give me some advice on how to hook up w/another person I was realy interested in. In that instance, I did not acknowledge his interest in me. Seemed to work better and to preserve his feelings.
The earlier time, the first thing I mentioned, above, I acknowledged his interest in me, but deflected it. Managed to let him know I thought he was a wonderful person, but that I could better "be" with him as friend, not lover.
Someone told me a long time ago that we are attracted to people for various reasons and that we (being human) instantly interpreted that attraction as sexual when that was not necessarily the case. And, that by insisting on making it sexual, we missed out on a lot of better opportunities for connecting. The older I have gotten, the more than has proven to be true.
Honesty is just about always the best policy, unless there is kindness without condescension in the lie.
Er, WMV, rather. Rented fingers, yadda.
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The main story is that things are going very, very well."
That's unbelievable. Only 800000000 gazillion people were injured, and 35 polling places were blown up but, hey, we call that a success!!
Asshat.
CNN has swallowed the kool-aid too.
All the while defeatist "progressives" are secretly wishing them ill in their safe cozy tribeca apartments
Like all those tribeca apartments felt safe and cozy during 9/11.
fourlegsgood: CNN has swallowed the kool-aid too.
D'oh!
Kool-aid enema via high-pressure firehose, more likely.
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Reporter: "President Bush, there have been reports of widespread violence and voter intimidation. Can you respond?"
Bush: "I think the American people have made their choice and Kerry receded. The people have given me a mandate. Next question"
Reporter: "Excuse me, sir, I was talking about the Iraqi election. There are reports of mortar fire, car bombs, snipers and people too afraid to go to the polling centers."
Bush: "Look, son, what's important is that we've forced Iraq to be a free country. I don't care how many people have to die - if one Iraqi gets to vote then America wins. Next question."
Shephard Smith is not human.
He is some kind of mammal/reptile hybrid. I'm serious.
Um, why does anyone continue to believe TCM is going to actually tell the truth about what's happening in Iraq?
WTF....Over?
Grey Psoda: Shephard Smith is not human.
He is some kind of mammal/reptile hybrid. I'm serious.
Get a pair of RRP sunglasses™*, and watch Faux News. You'll never sleep again.
"Can't sleep -- clowns will eat me."
* ™ Rowdy Roddy Piper Enterprises, Inc.
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bruce beat me to it.
The main story is that things are going very, very well."
Didn't one of his scouts give Custer the same report at Little Big Horn?
If, as now appears likely, Democrats cry fraud and corruption every election regardless of the evidence, what will happen when one day voters are routinely intimidated, rights are denied, or, God forbid, an election is robbed?
Tom De Lay, responding to Barbara Boxer's challenge of the OH voting process. Substitute "Democrats" for any section of the Iraqi electorate.
Smell the freedom, Iraq !
Tom DeLay: shit on a stick.
Tom Delay is also a reptile.
Just look at him. That is not a human being.
Sarah Deere: Tom DeLay: shit on a stick.
That's a serious insult to shit everywhere. Calls into question the moral standing of the stick, too.
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Hey, since it's open thread and there's only a few of us here I'll make a shameless blogpitch.
Actually, I'm just looking for honest critiques. I haven't decided on the style or look yet - I think the current style is too wide. Any comments are welcome. I'm not sure how much time I want to devote to it, since there are plenty of blogs out there laready.
Moose Lips
Thankfully, late-nite typing skill isn't a gateway to having a blog... yeesh Fingers, I hardly know thee.
Then again, I thought the "molested by relative that you remind me of" was nearly Rovian in its artistry, too.
develope a yarn of a victimized ex-girlfriend, ("straw-girl") and have one of SRW friends - who is on the payroll - made up to look like one of his enemies, then double agent dude would plant the story in Undesire-Girl's ear.
Then SRW would defend himself, knocking down straw-girl, in a slightly crazy yet charming manner - just enough to make Undesire-Girl feel sorry for him. So, then she will let him stay in her life on his terms.
Beth -- That's just evil. Karl Rove wants your phone number, ASAP.
That asshat Novak, too.
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Beth: "Hello?"
Caller: "giggle"
Beth: "Dammit, Rove - stop calling me, you one man freak parade!"
Caller: "Karl, she's got the caller ID, man, she knows it's you. (from background) Well hang up, stupidhead! (caller) Hey, that sounds like Karl ID, doesn't it? Karl ID... that's funny... (from background) Hang the damned phone up, George!"
Didn't mean to drag you into it, Beth. It just seemed like such a Bushism, I couldn't resist the scenario...
Ripley, I like it, nice clean sleek look, not clogged. good lengh posts - not too long, not too short. catchy name too. i don't think there could ever be too many good blogs...we need variety.
Question:
What's dumber than a right-wing troll?
Thanks - it needs a lot more time and work than I've given it so far. I tend to be more of a reader and reactor than a writer lately.
Jeremiah Elias: What's dumber than a right-wing troll?
Teaching one to sing...?
... or is this one of them pointy-headed liberal elitist divide-by-zero questions?
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Hey, look on the bright side: Even if the Iraqis don't know where to vote, or who they're voting for, they have something so many Americans didn't have.
A paper ballot.
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Well, I'd say that the 100,000 or so dead Iraqi civilians WE HAVE SO FAR KILLED and which the British medical journal (the Lancet) reported on, are experiencing a special kind of "freedom."
It is kind of an existential freedom, as in "freedom from pain, freedom from worry, freedom from suffering" or, as Hamlet said, the "slings and arrows of outrageous fortune."
So, maybe in this sense, America is really accomplishing a certain type of real liberation in Iraq?
What do you guys think?
Jeremiah Elias: What do you guys think?
I think George W. Bush is determined to liberate America from her ethical and constitutional moorings.
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I think Bush is all Crash and extra Burn. But hey, if Iraqi elections are what it takes to keep bin Laden off our backs then we should... oh wait... hmmm...
Thanks, W - America couldn't have sucked without you.
It appears the Sunnis really are making good on their promise not to vote.
I just hope Allawi doesn't win. I know it's a lost cause, but...
ya, thanks, i finally caught on with the "liberals destroying X-mass" thing. plus i get a sick from conspiracies...want to expose them...could stem from being on the reciveing end of a small one during my divorce...i got myself into some stupid jams that i had to figure out.
i'd never do one to a person but bu$hco needs a dose of their own meds - and soon. so, if Mr. Dean needs any help, i'm underemployed right now...
Ripley, I like it...except for the Indian kid named "Sarah".
SD
And, oh, yeah - apologies to sticks and shit everywhere.
Lol, Sarah Sorry. I talked to a "Jacob" once and the others were the first "American" names that popped into my head.
Ripley, well, *proud* to have an American name, y'know?? I was just funnin'.
Anyway, looks good!
Morning all.
So glad to hear the election in Iraq went well. Phew. What a relief. Sully said if less than 500 were killed it would be a success, and from what you all are saying, no one is reporting anyone killed, despite the attempts of in the insurgents to blow things up. Freedom is on the march.
With the U.S. Embassy hit and two Americans killed and several polling places blown up during the tightest security measures imposed in the country, this Iraqi election is starting to look more and more like the Tet Offensive when the insurgents can hit anyone anytime anyplace they want.
Morning all, any good news in the world?
CNN is showing lots of footage of expatriates and voters in the kurdish regions. This is sleight of hand, taking everyones eye off the ball. The coverage is propaganda, and I can't bear it. Good luck to the Shiites. Sistani is a strong leader that will tell the americans to leave when it's time.
This is sleight of hand, taking everyones eye off the ball. The coverage is propaganda, and I can't bear it.
i agree, but don't you think that maybe all of it has been propaganda...well, even Imus was sick of the half-baked attemts at "opinion developement stratagies" going on lately.
I haven't been following it. I wasn't optimistic about and I'm still not. I just hope that the people that are being told to vote aren't dying.
No offense to freedom and democracy, but I don't trust anything that Bush has his fingers in.
Scion of traitors and warlords: why Bush is coy about his Irish links
Tapestry artist reveals ancestors of US president as murderous bunch
Angelique Chrisafis, Ireland correspondent
Thursday January 27, 2005
The Guardian
It is perhaps not the best omen for US foreign affairs. Local historians in Wexford have discovered that George Bush is a descendant of Strongbow, the power-hungry warlord who led the Norman invasion of Ireland thus heralding 800 years of mutual misery. With a long line of Scots Irish presidents including Woodrow Wilson, the Irish are normally quick to claim US leaders as their own. But, despite President Bush's large Ulster Scots vote in the American Bible belt, Ireland had let his family escape the genealogical microscope.
But now Ann Griffin Bernstorff, an artist working on a tapestry to commemorate Ireland's Norman heritage, has discovered what she claims is the Bushs' missing Irish link.
Ms Griffin Bernstorff was researching Strongbow's son-in-law, William Marshal, when she discovered the connection. A descendant of Marshal married Anne Marbury Hutchinson, a famous 16th century religious dissenter who had already been linked to Mr Bush.
"It is one of those bizarre developments," she said. "We traced the Bush genealogy through a Republican source in Chicago and found it was correct. People here are absolutely shocked. I'm not sure what the wider reaction will be, Bush has not been seen as a great friend of the Irish."
Indeed, when Mr Bush visited a County Clare castle last year, radio talk-show hosts asked: "Is this the most hated American ever to set foot on Irish soil?"
The US president's now apparent ancestor, Richard de Clare, Earl of Pembroke - known as Strongbow for his arrow skills - is remembered as a desperate, land-grabbing warlord whose calamitous foreign adventure led to the suffering of generations. Shunned by Henry II, he offered his services as a mercenary in the 12th-century invasion of Wexford in exchange for power and land. When he eventually died of a festering ulcer in his foot, his enemies said it was the revenge of Irish saints whose shrines he had violated.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/
st...1399353,00.html
The Sunni's have now been shut out of power. They will turn more and more to resistance. The hatred between Sunni and Shiite can only grow from this point on. Ethnic cleansing, wholesale slaughter.
A year from now, we'll look back and see what a mistake this was. Democracy so red staters don't have to feel guilty. Washing blood from their hands like Lady Macbeth.
We haven't hit rock bottom in Iraq. Not even close. Let the media celebrate today, let them lie and tell us we've turned a corner.
See you later today. Time to sleep. I fear that ben r is right. And he hasn't even mentioned the kurds in all of this.
More:
The genetic line can also be traced to Dermot MacMurrough, the Gaelic king of Leinster reviled in history books as the man who sold Ireland for personal gain.
Even before MacMurrough earned the title of Ireland's worst traitor by inviting Strongbow's invasion to save himself from a local feud, the Irish chieftain had a reputation for gore. One English chronicler told how MacMurrough, recognising the features of a personal enemy poking from a pile of severed heads after a battle, snatched up the rotting flesh and tore it with his teeth in a "hideous frenzy".
so red staters don't have to feel guilty.
You could suffocate waiting for Republicans to feel guilt or shame. They seem to be immune from feeling anything from their immoral actions except the desire for more. They are, in a word, evil.
n an e-mail message to his staff, Wade Horn, the assistant secretary for children and families, explicitly banned hiring columnists for the Health and Human Services Department, saying it was "important to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest."
In an interview, Mr. Horn said the line between journalism, commentary and consulting had blurred.
"Thirty years ago, if you were a columnist, you were employed full time by a newspaper most likely, and it was very clear," he said. "With the explosion of media outfits today, there are a lot of people who wear a lot of hats. Where's the line? What if you have your own blog? Are you a journalist?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/2...01/29/politics/
29column.html?oref=login
First they say he is, but then they don't. They're all invested now, so what are you gonna do?
It's time to blow this "opinion journalist" racket out of the water. If they don't the entire professional category of journalism is useless.
Nixon son-in-law may challenge Clinton
By MARC HUMBERT
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
ALBANY, N.Y. -- Edward Cox, a son-in-law of President Nixon, is considering a Senate run next year against Hillary Rodham Clinton, a longtime friend and adviser said Friday.
"To say he's running against Hillary Clinton is to way overstate it, but he's interested in it. He's testing the waters," said the adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We're meeting with people and sometime, probably in April or so, a decision will be made."
Seem to recall he worked for Nader before marrying Trish too.
"The world is thickening" - John Updike
apparently Armstrong wasn't the only one
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Brother, can you spare an I-Pod?
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"The World is a Vampire" Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins
For a great article about what it is going to be like once Roe is overturned read this article.
New York legalized abortion two years before Roe, but if the fundies have their way, the law will be written in such a way that it takes the option away from states.
Now where did I put that chador?
I have no Ipod for you.
Great link QuiltLady. Thanks. It made me think of bill 1677 in Va. That one still sickens me.
And do you have a chador to spare?
Life was so much simpler when all I had to worry about was putting food on my family.
What's bill 1677?
They tried to pass a bill in va, # 1677 that required women to report all fetal death, miscarried or otherwise. not sure if it got squashed but the proponent did get a lot of hate mail because of this.
It was canned.
Thank goodness. what will they freaking think of next?
oh, yeah. Iran.
Lots of trolls on the early evening thread last night.
Glad I was otherwise entertained.
I knew Geraldo when he went to the U of A back in 1970.
He wanted to date me but I thought he was a blabbermouth so I turned him down so he dated a close girlfriend who, a few weeks later, regretted it.
I moved to NYC in 1973. He came up in 1976 or 1977, I can't remember which year....he called me up and I turned him down again.
Gads, he is a total jerk. Will sell his dick to the lowest bidder.
morning, Elaine!
My son just forwarded me this little tidbit. Thought I'd share.
"Today's Lesson:
In the 16th and 17th centuries, everything had to be
transported by ship and it was also before the
invention of commercial fertilizer, so large shipments
of manure were common.
It was shipped dry, because in dry form it weighed a
lot less than when wet; but once water (at sea) hit
it, it not only became heavier, but the process
of fermentation began again, of which a by-product is
methane gas.
As the stuff was stored below decks in bundles you can
see what could (and did) happen. Methane began to
build up below decks and the first time someone came
below at night with a lantern...BOOOOM!
Several ships were destroyed in this manner before it
was determined just what was happening. After that,
the bundles of manure were always stamped
with the term "Ship High In Transport" on them which
meant for the sailors to stow it high enough off the
lower decks so that any water that came into the
hold would not touch this volatile cargo and start the
production of methane.
Thus evolved the term "S.H.I.T" (Ship High In
Transport) which has come down through the centuries
and is in use to this very day.
You probably did not know the true history of this
word. Neither did I."
mer, I think it's folk etymology but don't have the reference books to look it up just now.
I'm surprised no one in the audience laughed last night when G. Keilor made his "Merd" joke. I'd have thought it was a sure laugh.
Also known in military circles as;
Special High Intensity Training.
heh.
/me checks Hubris' lurking permit.
I been busy, working for that filthy lucre and putting up my candidate statement for Democrats Abroad Vice Chair here.
A likely story. Everytime I tried to mail you, it came back.
I dunno about that gmail stuff, man. Sounds too government-like to me. Next thing you know I'll be getting letters with a DoD return address.
Not to get off topic, but can someone recommend a blog template alternative to the standard Blogger templates? I'm looking for something similiar to Atrios or Rudepundit. I'd like to be able to add links to the sidebar and maybe some anti bush ads. Please leave a comment on by blog if you have any ideas or tips. Thanks alot!
The S.H.I.T thing made me giggle, because half of our team went to California on a Special High Intensity Training mission, having duped our Team Captain, who met us on the tarmac upon our return with the words, "shit, hunh.", the rest of the month sucked, but we will always have Joshua Tree.
Oh, my mikansolutions.jp domain hoster went south with both my domain and my money. bastards.
hubris.sonic@gmail.com works.
Next thing you know I'll be getting letters with a DoD return address.
/shudders
A fun morning.
The NYT uses a rank right wingloon to review book about ecological collapse
Meanwhile, at the BBC, story about ecological collapse which the NYT didn't run yet
The right wingloon, Easterbrook, assumes the third and second world people will stop deforestation when they get lots of cheap oil fuel.
HAHAHA.
Which we will steal from Iraq and sell to them except they can't afford the oil....indeed, Easterbrook claims all 6+ billion people can live like Americans if only they vote in American CIA style elections.
Right-o.
I was just thinking about what a sad situation we are in with the news media. I did want to know if the elections in Iraq were going well or not. WHo do I turn to for news I can trust?
Waiting
Still Waiting
Right
Right-o.
Elaine Supkis
Use of global energy resources for 1 American equals 25 living in the so-called Third World. America uses about 25% of global resources. Our economy is about 25% of the global economy. It all correlates.
None of this is sustainable. Look at the damage to the environment already. And those living in the Third World want to live like us. They watch our Hollywood movies and they want the same lifestyle.
In typical wing nut fashion, they will argue that global warming isn't man-made. Ignoring the fact that, regardless, it's happening and we should do something to prevent it or if we can't, prepare for it.
What about that election? We were right. The Shia and Kurds voted. Next up: Civil War.
"After the elections the country remains deeply divided between red provinces, and blue provinces, and orange, and violet, and burnt sienna, and peach....
Right you are, Incog, and the post-election violence will show how really, really desperate the insurgents are, which means things are getting really, really BETTER.
Rice: Election Going Better Than Expected
WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the Iraq elections are "going better than expected" Sunday, despite conflicting reports about the extent of voter turnout in areas plagued by intimidation and violence.
"Every indication is that the election in Iraq is going better than expected," Rice said on ABC's "This Week."
"What we're seeing here is the voice of freedom," Rice said in the first response to the election from the Bush administration.
"No, it's not a perfect election," Rice conceded, but she called it a positive development no one had foreseen three years ago when Saddam Hussein was still the dictator of Iraq.
(snip)
(and here's the punchline
Bush gave up his usual weekend getaway at the Camp David presidential retreat to remain at the White House to monitor the results and the violence as Iraqis held their nation's first free election in a half-century.
"After the elections the country remains deeply divided between red provinces, and blue provinces, and orange, and violet, and burnt sienna, and peach....
Most of the violence has stemmed from the sea foam green provinces...
If we weren't plagued by a venal and cowardly corporate media, America might be aware of the obvious regarding Bushboy's "bait and switch" plans for America.
It is truly perverse when you realize that Bushboy pushed through huge tax cuts (primarily for the richest 10% of America), which caused record deficits. Every dollar of tax cut issued by Bushboy has had to be borrowed!!!! And yet, the vast majority of the American people think Bushboy "gave them" the tax cuts and that they are "free!"
Now with mounting concern about the menace of Bushboy's deficits what is Bushboy's solution? To rescind the offending tax cuts? Of course not!!!
The Bushboy/Gooper answer is to cut federal programs that serve the poor and the middleclass. Plans like education (Pell grants). Plans like Medicaid (which help poor children and the impoverished elderly) and cuts in environmental monitors so tha the corporate polluters can act even more irresponsibly.
The Bushboy dynamic is always the same: Create a problem by enriching the rich and then propose solutions that penalize the poor and the working classes.
The greedheads must be laughing all the way to the bank at the stupidity, ignorance and gulibility of the American public.
There wont be a civil war, though. Not as long as our troops are there preventing it while being blown up killed and maimed. I was reading an article this morning the that the administration has cut itself off from the final voices of reason. And you know Bush is going to "stick to his gun" although he's wrong. Three more bloody years of attrition.
...and here's the punchline...
wow, i even feel like i've been punched.
According to CNN, there is a 79% turnout in the election, even though nobody knows who the candidates are, and it is super violent. That is one of the highest turnouts ever, in any country. Bullshit. This is why I say that CNN should be bought by the dems. I bet this nonsense started over at FOX, and now will become the standard line at the media
Hey, at least they get to use paper ballots in Iraq, why can't we have paper ballots?
Well, can you blame the sea foam green provinces, I mean really, you know what Mohammed said about sea from green?
He said, "Don't. I mean it, just don't. And that goes double for taffeta."
The Iraq elections are the latest fig leaf used by the Bushboy/Gooper administration to cover up for their deep dark secret.
The Iraq war has been a disaster. The "election" of the Shi'ites to power may prove to be more problematic than a panacea, possibly leading to a civil war.
The only reason Bushboy wants to stay there is for the oil reserves, which are second only to Saudi Arabia's.
Will the American people ever wake up?
Not until the corporate media wakes them, which is probably never.
79%, my ass.
they're lying.
I always thought that Orwell's "1984" was merely an intriguing work of fiction.
I never thought I would get to live it here in America in the Bushboy Gooperland of fascists!
Voter turnout in Sunni areas very low. In Shi'ite regions, "very high."
So, when Sistani eventually takes over, will the Bush administration scream "voter fraud"?
Orwell=Nostrudamus
Oh wait, I forgot. We've already picked the winners.
In Shi'ite regions, "very high."
I wish i was.
He said, "Don't. I mean it, just don't. And that goes double for taffeta."
The unknown 16th Commandment:
Thou shalt not make thy bridesmaids wear dusty rose.
The only reason Bushboy wants to stay there is for the oil reserves, which are second only to Saudi Arabia's
It's believed by those in the oil biz they Saudi Arabia is fudging their true oil reserves totals. See, disclosure is voluntary. And depending on how much you claim you have, the greater amount you can pump through OPEC's membership stipulations onto the world market. There have been no major oil fields found in Saudi Arabia in over 20 years. Iraq's oil fields remain mostly unexplored but it's believed they probably have much more.
Atrios, wake the hell up, Democracy is on the march, and she is wearing jackboots.
Will the American people ever wake up?
Well, we finally have Air America pumping out the truth. Man you should have heard the freepers heads exploding last week when Randi Rhodes as talking about torture. They kept accusing her of lying or getting her info from left wing websites. When she offered to email them the info from the FBI, DIA, CIA and other gov't reports they didn't know how to react.
Where's Al Gore and his new media outlet, or George Soros, if people can hear the truth, things can change.
they = that
Iraq has held it's election
Shi'ites dominate selection
Has the US won?
Will it come undone?
With civil war 'cause of Sunni defection?
When exactly did Geraldo become such a twit?
Jenny from the Blog
Ummmm... like five years before Al Capone's Vault, perhaps?
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Even earlier--when he changed his name he'd grown up with--Jerry Rivers--to Geraldo Rivera. Really.
Man you should have heard the freepers heads exploding last week when Randi Rhodes as talking about torture. They kept accusing her of lying or getting her info from left wing websites.
Hoyt C.
Don't they listen to regular news? Don't they look inside a newspaper?
Hoyt C.
More power to Air America and all media groups fighting the corporate media which is dominated by the fascist rightwingers.
It disgusts me that as I turn the TV dial all I see are Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough, Dennis Miller, Bob Novak, Kate O'Beirne, O'Lielly, Hannity, Coulter and a neverending stream of scumbags from The Cato Institute or their equally twisted sisters, The Heritage Foundation or the American Enterprise Institute.
I'd love to see Soros buy CNN and hire people like Eric Alterman, Joe Conason, Molly Ivins and many other intelligent and honest journalists and scholars to give America the truth.
Even if Soros won't do it there is a grassroots movement in America toward non-commercial news broadcasting. Demcracy.now for example.
Right out of high school, I drank an entire fifth of Jack Daniels and puked my guts out and I've been unable to drink or smell it ever again. Same with Jim Beam, and Wild Turkey, Southern Comfort and Canadian Mist.
But like I always say: It's alright to puke, as long as you puke in moderation.
Hi, BBC has a good section on the vote, reports from all areas, all area papers.
Here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/
unable to drink or smell it ever again
I have the same reaction to Southern Comfort and most Schnapps. I drank a decent amount when I was about 15-16, hurled my guts out, and was subsequently unable to even cope with the smell ever again.
Nowadays, I don't even drink most of the time anyhow. Occasionally, I can be talked into having a shot of whiskey or a beer.
Boston Globe has the run down on the eastern regional DNC Chair meeting.
Tim Roemer shows his colors: "We need a chair that doesn't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
We need a Chair of the Democratic National Committee who represents the non-Democratic wing of the Democratic party? You are the man Tim, you are the man.
http://tinyurl.com/5de32
I think Geraldo Rivera was his real name; he changed it to Jerry Rivers when he went into broadcasting, then changed it back again a few years later.
Bush bringing freedom to the world:
From NYT:
"Estimates of Al Jazeera's audience range from 30 million to 50 million, putting it well ahead of its competitors. But that success does not translate into profitability, and the station relies on a big subsidy from the Qatari government, which in the past has explored ways to sell it. The official said Qatar hoped to find a buyer within a year.
Its coverage has disturbed not only Washington, but also Arab governments from Egypt to Saudi Arabia. With such a big audience, but a lack of profitability, it is not clear who might be in the pool of potential buyers, or how a new owner might change the editorial content.
Administration officials have been nervous to talk about the station, being sensitive to charges that they are trying to suppress free expression. Officials at the State and Defense Departments and at the embassy in Qatar were reluctant to comment. However, some administration officials acknowledged that the well-publicized American pressure on the station - highlighted when Qatar was not invited to a summit meeting on the future of democracy in the Middle East last summer in Georgia - has drawn charges of hypocrisy, especially in light of President Bush's repeated calls for greater freedoms and democracy in the region.
"It's completely two-faced for the United States to try to muzzle the one network with the most credibility in the Middle East, even if it does sometimes say things that are wrong," said an Arab diplomat. "The administration should be working with Al Jazeera and putting people on the air."
Off to coffee, the Boston Globe and the NYTimes.
I went through a brief Scotch and water phase. A gentleman's drink and without the hangover. But I never liked the taste.
Aaaaaah, PLEASE!
doughboy russert could not be a bigger moron. That puffy little creep could not be a bigger tool. That scummy little dope could not be made up if he didn't exsit.
Atrios, a question for you:
I have been thinking about the concepts of mergers and acquisitions, specifically how they NEVER benefit the people who work for either company nor do they typically benefit their customers.
My idea is that large to giant mergers lead to - not monopolies (which they do of course) but rather to a seeming socialist/communist totalitarianism within the organization.
You can argue that what I said is simply a monopoly...but mericans are too dumb to attempt to understand ANYTHING which hasn't been rammed down their thoats in an advertising barrage or governmental barrage...and no one really talks about monopolies these days - it's like that word is verbotten!
So let's NOT call these super giant mergers monopolies, instead lets call sony music a communist-like conspiracy where the consumers have no choice but to do their bidding - consumers have few to no rights when it comes to what these corporations do once they grow to enormous size.
the argument is the same feeble and useless one: they give people jobs! Bah - if you add up ALL of GIANT corporate merica and the percentage of people that they employ, you will find that it is probably like 20% of the working population!!!
that means that 80% of us get dicked over by what these giant megalo-corps do or say.
All kinds of excuses have been made to allow these ridiculously large companies: only large companies can afford research into cutting-edge blah blah blah....
Bushit! Colleges can afford and can do the same if not better research as do most companies - at a fraction of the cost since they are using the students minds and energy instead of an overpaid PhD - but this is only viable when those breakthroughs at colleges are not freely taken by greedy corporations to suck the profit out of them - instead the college can get into the mainstream and do their own selling of their breakthroughs - to finance further education.
Just writing this makes me realize how pathetic the human experience is - how all we are and all we do is to procreate - how much of science is to keep rich old men alive with hardons how caring means cleaning your baby's diaper how knowing means to look before you cross the street - no we have not evolved much at all!
By the time I was 21, I'd decided that pot was my poison of choice and it's pretty much been that way ever since. I have discovered that coconut rum makes a good mix with mountain dew tho.
Tim Roemer shows his colors: "We need a chair that doesn't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party."
Ordinary democrats have been cast out into the wilderness. If Dean doesn't get in their and purge those folks, I'm outta here. I will be amazed if he does despite ordinary democrats all want him.
But then they'll probably kill him too, then.
Yeah, I always said if I had drank as much booze as I'd smoked pot in my "younger" days, I'd be dead now...
Looka like dean has this thing wrapped up:
"The fractiousness of this race reflects the state of the party in what is the first real competitive contest for party chairman since 1988, as well as a vacuum in personality and power that is allowing some arguably obscure figures in the party get some attention for a few weeks. They are struggling, with some frustration, in the shadow of Dr. Dean, who welcomed them to New York by rolling out a significant endorsement: Harold Ickes, a longtime Democratic activist who is a face of the establishment Democratic Party and is close to the Clintons."
Given the stupid situations I put myself in during that part of my life, it's a wonder I'm not dead.
Red wine is good for the heart. I make sure to have a glass or two (sometimes 3, but never more) every day.
A study done recently found that you do not get the same effect from grape juice.
There is a god in heaven after all!
79%, my ass.
they're lying.
Hubris.Sonic
Nah, they just aren't counting the provinces that were heavily Sunni and likely boycotting the elections. And then they are counting a percentage of those that registered. The Iraqi authorities are refusing to hand out the numbers that were the basis for the now 72% figure.
Handing out a percentage without an ability to hand out the raw numbers is pretty suspicious. Almost propaganda.
Go Howard!!
I've never drank Coconut rum. I'm guessing it tastes like a cross between coconuts and sugarcane rum.
like i said, they are lying.
did 72 or 79% of the registered voters vote?
no.
its a lie.
How is it they know the turnout but it will take 10 days to .. uh .. "determine" the winner?
Adam "the partisan hack" nagourney trashing the dems and dean here
i read this earlier when is just written by Anne, all the snark and crappy language is dear Adam's
I think Geraldo Rivera was his real name; he changed it to Jerry Rivers when he went into broadcasting, then changed it back again a few years later.
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Don't know personally. A fellow I know named Sanchez who knew him in high school swears he was Jerry Rivers then and changed it later. Could be he's remembering it wrong..
Is this a great country of what? From today's Pravda on the Hudson, "The Central Intelligence Agency is refusing to provide hundreds of thousands of pages of documents sought by a government working group under a 1998 law that requires full disclosure of classified records related to Nazi war criminals, say Congressional officials from both parties."
79% of those 13% that were able to get around in the 95% of the country that has been 100% f-cked up.
Statistics can be fun if you know how to cook them.
90% Too hot? 25% Too cold?
79% is juusssst right.
Just ask Ohio or Florida.
feh.indded!
And how can there possibly be a 72% or 79% turnout when you're taking your life into your hands by voting, you don't know the stand of who you're voting for or even who it is, you don't know where to vote until the last minute (somehow), there's a lockdown on getting around, most Sunnis refuse to vote, and the whole election is a charade put on by the Americans and going along with it is just the same as collaborating with the enemy?
Gee, it's almost as fishy as Bush's "re"-election.
Hi -- Just jumping in on the Dean for chair issue.
If you're an Ohioan you can use this link to get emails of most of the state's voting DNC members:
http://tinyurl.com/4cx6f
Can't believe Roemer actually said that.
The numbers on Iraq voting come via the Bush government.
Pardon my cyncism, then.
And reporters for the major papers and TV news, are all in Baghdad. In the Green Zone. And dare not travel outside of it.
I'll wait to hear from Robert Fiske and independent journalists, and from those reports weave my own conclusions on how the voting went, how heavy the turnout was, etc.
After all, no major media outlet has told us Fallujah is a smoking ruin, a tightly controlled military occupation rather than a city, any longer. Heard a report from one independent reporter about CNN coming to Fallujah with 10 humvees of soldiers, who jumped out, walked around one street for the cameras, than raced off again.
There is no military presence in the city. They maintain the borders, and control who gets in and out. But they don't go in there.
Except CNN will make you think they do.
Lastly: notice the date line on the reports: all from Baghdad. So reports about turnout around the country are coming to the reporters from...?
"Mornin', Sam..."
"Mornin', Ralph"
There is a god in heaven after all!
QuiltLady in NY
Yup. Bacchus/Dionysius. Great guys, both...but heaven? well, probably not. But on Olympus!!! Settle for that?
Oops. Promised myself I'd practice html links. So here's the link for contact info to tell Ohio's DNC members to vote Dean for chair.
Aaaaaah, PLEASE!
doughboy russert: Kerry is a tax and spend liberal!
Stop it, stop it, stop it!
ΤΏΤ- You would be correct. It's best mixed so it isn't so sweet. It makes a good mix with diet soda.
I think he went from Rivera to Rivers back to Rivera. He started out with that Cuban Jewish surname then wanted to lose the ethnicity going through law school in the states, then got involved in the ethnicity embracing of the late 60s early 70s and a little later made a name for himself in the media so couldn't change it back after that. Consummate yuppie.
79%, 72%, whatever, if it's a lie (it is), it's the usual Big Lie, and the lack of proof will be whined about with cries of "you're all against us", "you hate freedom" and the usual wingnut wilful blindness. Whadda joke.
Atrios, wake the hell up, Freedom is on the march and she is wearing jackboots and a strap-on!
Saw a CNN piece last night, kept showing overjoyed Iraqi voters talking about freedom and history. Interspersed with footage from Baghdad. Problem is, those voters were Here! But the editing made it seem as though they were in Iraq. Truly, truly disgustingly blatant whoring for chimpys freedom facade.
Re: DNC Chair
Last week I heard that the NM DNC delegates were supporting Martin Frost, the DINO from Dallas...they're too meek and programmable to think they did this on their own...I detect the hand of Bill Richardson...
just sayin
I just watched Little Georgie. I find it very offensive when blowhards and dipshits like George Will and Cokie Roberts blather on about how wonderful it is in Iraq with everyone voting and how unprecedented it all is when their asses are safe and warm in Little Georgie's studio. I mean, if we are going to get "reporting" on how wonderful things are in this election can we at least have it from people who are closer than 6,000 miles away?
I know I'm stating the obvious, but those two irritate me.
Go savor the new thread smell.
New and improved "freedom facades" available at your local super-mega-wal-mart. Guaranteed and backed by an official 72% majority. Can't win an argument with a liberal? This handy dandy "freedom facade" will protect you from those pesky "facts" that show you to be a moron. Get yours while supplies last. They're on the shelves between the support the troops ribbons and the god bless america flags.
Yup. Bacchus/Dionysius. Great guys, both...but heaven? well, probably not. But on Olympus!!! Settle for that?
======================
You betcha!
Res:
The sight of Cokie Roberts' headless corpse splayed bloodily across the bumper of a fire-bombed Bagdhad taxi would not upset me in the slightest. The slagging bint long ago lost any and all respect she might at one time have earned...
Go savor the new thread smell.
Damn, I thought about accusing you of pulling my finger, because there's no new thread there.
Then I realised I'm looking at the archive page to avoid the blogger.com problem where it sometimes skips a few of the most recent posts, but it's now a new week.
Damn you blogspot.com!!!
I now know why Kerry is not prez:
From Kos:
"Kerry on MTP (none / 0)
Kerry had a good performance on MTP, but only hit his stride in the last 5 minutes with his strong words on Social Security. Russert chewed up much of the time dredging up the Swiftboat Lies.
-----------------------------
Russert chewed up time . . . . (none / 0)
. . . . and Kerry let him. Democratic politicians have got to learn the art of steering the interview to what they want to discuss, not just answering whatever questions the interviewer asks.
Kerry should never have answered the questions about Vietnam. He should have said "Tim, we've went through this a hundred times during the campaign. I'm not going to cover old ground again. What we should be talking about is . . . "
No matter how eloquently a Democrat defends or explains an issue, they're still defending and explaining. They need to be attacking and challenging instead.
Democratic politicians have got to learn the art of steering the interview to what they want to discuss, not just answering whatever questions the interviewer asks.
Precisely. They need to learn to answer the question they WANTED to be asked.
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