HULK SMASH
Why the hell not?
His son is deep ass.
I thought Deep Throat died? God, I'm clueless tonight.
I guess that would explain why Dubya has not inspired Deep Throat to make a comeback...
(Note to self: Be wary of using "Deep Throat" and "comeback" in the same sentence)
Jeepers H. Christmas! My Aunt was working in the Foreign Service in the State Dept. at the time and she has always thought it was Al Haige. He IS still alive.
bebe?
I thought Deep Throat died? God, I'm clueless tonight.
I think that was X-Files.
Hecate,
No, Woodward said he'd name Big Throat when he died.
Was Poppy head of the CIA at that point? What was his motive? He wouldn't have ascended to the presidency. Was Nixon fucking with the CIA the way that Fredo is now?
I'm just glad Atrios that you reminded me of one of the best Fark Photoshops ever next to that archived posts.
I thought Woodward said he would reveal Deep Throat's only WHEN he died.
No, Woodward said he'd name Big Throat when he died.
Another good reason to kill everyone involved with the Nixon administration - I can't stand the suspense any longer!
reveal his identity....
no wonder reagan always had that dumbass smile on his face and that unsettling gait...
Hecate,
Woodward and Bernstein supposedly have permission to name Deep Throat after he dies. So, still no naming of the deep throat.
NYMary is correct--Woodstein say they won't name Deep Throat until he dies. I've always thought he was a compilation but there's a pretty compelling case for it being Poppy. Wouldn't that be a hoot?
If Poppy is Deep Throat, does that make Jr. "Shallow Esophagus"?
Judith Miller!
Oh.... was Deep Throat... I thought you said did deep throat...
Thanks all; don't know where I got the idea deep throat had died, but if it's poppy I hope he hurries up and relieves the suspense. Watching the embarassingly small funeral Lame Duckie would give poppy would be worth the price of admission.
My Aunt worked as an Embassy Officer in foreign service her entire adult life. She knew all the big shots and worked through many administrations. She always thought Poppy to be a total lightweight who couldn't think his way out of a paper bag. Agree.
Speaking of deep throats, might there be a new Department of Defense Payola scandal?
Here. And here.
If Poppy is Deep Throat, does that make Jr. "Shallow Esophagus"?
Attaturk | Email | Homepage | 02.04.05 - 7:55 pm | #
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Wouldn't The Retch do it?
She always thought Poppy to be a total lightweight who couldn't think his way out of a paper bag. Agree.
It's all relative.
So to speak.
"His son is deep ass."
LMAO!
Attaturk,
Why am I powerless over your whoring? I cannot help myself. Do I need a 12 step?
whoa-hoa....my computer just shut down utterly when i clicked on this thread.
food for the CT mind, i suppose.
but yes: let's make sure all the nixonians are passed on to greener pastures in hell. i'm pretty sure that includes cheney and rummy and a couple other choice neoclown mofos.
the fredo comment reminded me of the bush/lieberman sotu clutch. that really was weird.
Why am I powerless over your whoring? I cannot help myself. Do I need a 12 step?
Like being sucked into a mighty whoretex...
Poppy Bush and Cuban nationals...ah, the threads that weave post WWII scandals and crisis into the lovely blue button down cotton dress shirt of modern day fascism.
From George Bush: Unauthorized iography
Discounting the coverups, both crude and sophisticated, we can state that
Bush is a plausible candidate to be Deep Throat, or to be one of his voices
if these should prove to be multiple. What intimate of Nixon, what cabinet
member and quasi-White House official had a better line of communication to
the Wall Street investment banking circles who were the prime movers of the
overthrow of Nixon? Who had a better working relationship with Henry
Kissinger, the chief immediate beneficiary of Nixon's downfall? Who had
links to the dirty tricks and black operations divisions of the CIA,
especially to the Miami station? Whose business partner and cronies had
financed the CREEP? And who could count on the loyalty of a far-flung
freemasonic network ensconced in positions of power in the media, the
courts, the executive branch, the Congress, and law enforcement agencies?
Surely Bush is more than a plausible candidate; by any realistic reckoning,
he is a formidable candidate.
Anyone remember the SNL sketch with the two Bushes out hunting, and Poppy can't *quite* bring himself to shoot Junior when he goes bounding off to retrieve or scare up or whatever?
Good stuff.
Eli,
Feeling punny tonight, are you?
Attaturk,
Why am I powerless over your whoring? I cannot help myself. Do I need a 12 step?
That wasn't whoring, that was someone else's work.
It was, pimping.
I thought Deep Throat was Diane Sawyer.
Feeling punny tonight, are you?
Punno yet.
Attaturk,
You are correct. Now you my pimp, too?
Where, oh where, are the Woodwards of yesteryear?
Damn Haloscan!
Okay, maybe Poppy was Deep Throat, which would make him Retch.
Then Dubya would be the second and...
Jeb would be the Third Retch!
Or not....
Nixon didn't like him, from what Kevin Phillips said. Tricky Dicky always felt like an outsider among the Skull 'N Bones types.
OT, and somebody may have picked this up already, but Digby's spotted how DOD paid hundreds of "writers" to write for fake web sites.
Hilarious.
Wouldn't this all be around the time of, er, George the Lesser's little TANG troubles? Certainly might have distracted from Watergate if Nixon could have spun it.
I'm not buying it. Deep Throat was kind of heroic, in a perverse way. Poppy Bush has no such gene.
Or maybe I'm just starry eyed from watching the movie too many times.
Nixon didn't like him, from what Kevin Phillips said. Tricky Dicky always felt like an outsider among the Skull 'N Bones types.
that's because he was. we can't have a quaker californian dust bin boy in actual charge of things, now can we?
and everyone who wants the most chilling picture of the bush clan ever should go read "harlot's ghost" by mailer. i don't like norm so much, but in this, he excels. truly. let me find the link...
Was Poppy head of the CIA at that point? What was his motive? He wouldn't have ascended to the presidency
Doing the bidding of his Wall Street masters.
As per Alex Cockburn, Nixon was the last liberal prez. I know that's hard to swallow 
.
Nixon instituted price controls, proposed a federal LIVING minnium wage, set up methadone clinics etc.
I'm not saying he was without faults, which were legion.
However when he stepped out of line WHAMMO.
Read Silent Coup with your bullshit detector on high.
Actually, Fred Fielding is Deep Throat
(according to an exhaustive study by William Gaines, a professor of journalism at my school, the Univeristy of Illinois, and his students)
Anyone remember the SNL sketch with the two Bushes out hunting, and Poppy can't *quite* bring himself to shoot Junior when he goes bounding off to retrieve or scare up or whatever?
Dana Carvey, fantastic as Poppy. Lorne Michaels should be ashamed for this product he's shoveling at us.
harlot's ghost: the book that changed my life (seriously!)
read it and weep, folks. we're long past "thyme hill" and into the blackest of territories.
CD: No go...
So: GHWB is associated with the fall of the Nixon administration, as well as the near-mortal attack on Reagan, through the fact that the would-be assassin, Hinkley, was the son of a close Bush ally and long-time friend...
I was driving through a parking garage in DC on October 9, 1972, when I saw a figure in a trenchcoat hand an envelope to Bob Woodward. When my headlights shined on the figure, I saw it was none other than NYMary. I have kept this secret for decades.
"Where, oh where, are the Woodwards of yesteryear?"
They have turned into the Woodwards of today.
Bad linkey CD.
What intimate of Nixon, what cabinet member and quasi-White House official had a better line of communication to the Wall Street investment banking circles who were the prime movers of the overthrow of Nixon?
Guy Forget ... What was Wall Street's role? It was my understanding that it was the CIA. Why did Wall Street want to oust Nixon?
I have no firsthand knowledge of anything during the Nixon years outside the diplomats opinions and what I've been told by my cousins and Aunt. But it does seem to be the opinion of the career officials that Haige was a complete opportunist who would switch sides in a heartbeat to advance his career. Kissinger, too. Bad reputations for those dudes. Poppy was considered an utter fool. Guess that's been proven a thousand times over.
"If Poppy is Deep Throat, does that make Jr. Shallow Esophagus?"
Nope. Just plain shallow.
that's because he was. we can't have a quaker californian dust bin boy in actual charge of things, now can we?
and Clinton was punished for being a latter-day Nixon? Fascinating, and plausible...
If Poppy is an utter fool, then is Big Bar the power behind the throne?
When my headlights shined on the figure, I saw it was none other than NYMary. I have kept this secret for decades.
It's true. At six years old she was deep into internal GOP policies.
Atablarasa ... You know what Nixon said about Big Bar, right? He said, "She really knows how to hate." He meant it as a compliment.
Speaking of conspiracies, as I asked yesterday, has anyone read "Crossing the Rubicon" and if so would they be willing to share an opinion?
If Poppy is an utter fool, then is Big Bar the power behind the throne?
Atablarasa
Was there really ever any doubt?
Atablarasa,
I'm guessing Bar is the massive bitch behind the failures. Brutal power, bitch!
It's true. At six years old she was deep into internal GOP policies.
I'm driving a car at age nine in the story...
Hi, Hecate. I did my first client consultation today. The poor woman! I had to explain to her that she was an at-will employee and there wasn't a bloody thing we could do to help her.
Res, I did not, but given her sons I have no doubt of it.
TKK,
Of course this means I have to kill you. Sorry.
here's the ugly one:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido...7363350-
0144605
D'oh!
more blogwhoring:
In honor of the hundredth anniversary of Ayn Rand's birth, I deliver a smackdown.
Hey, me blog you long time!
Of the 146,000 'jobs' "created" in January, 05, only 12 percent paid more than $45k/annum...that sucks
This is fascinating.I had never heard this rumor.
Let me pretend for a minute.Tricky was a "librul" and he wanted the Viet Nam war to be over.But maybe sKill and Boneys didnt want it to end?So in comes George Deep Throat Bush to save the day for fascism.
Ok now I'm running for my tinfoil.
While I was young and ignorant, I remember many discussions of the horrible decision to appoint Bush Sr. head of the CIA. I figured he seemed like a decent guy. Reminds me of the Porter Goose nomination today. If you don't know the history of these guys, it's easly to believe they are harmless.
hey, pbg.
A young woman of my acquaintance, a former student, reminded me recently that when we met, 7 or so years ago, she was an Ayn Rand fan for exactly the reasons you describe, an overeducated and alienated adolescent. I apparently told her she'd outgrow it.
She has, and thanked me for telling her so.
Heh.
Of course he is Deep Throat. He has been sucking off the corporate interests for 50 years.
Dammit, I've seen Deep Throat a few times, and I just don't remember seeing George Bush in it anywhere. Any clues?
OT
Watching Chris Matthews interviewing someone is like watching, and hearing, someone rake his or her fingernails over a chalkboard. He was interviewing on his show today Eugene Jarecki, the director and writer of the acclaimed film "Why We Fight", which won the Grand Prize for best documentary at the Sundance Film Festival. It focuses on the rise and importance of american militarism over the past fifty years. Matthews said that he hoped that someone would make a film about Eisenhower some day. Jarecki replies that Eisenhower plays a prominent role in his film. Matthews did not respond when Jarecki mentioned about Eisenhower being in his film. That is because Matthews could not even take the time and trouble to see Jarecki's film, which Matthews could easily have done since he was in Utah when the film was shown.
A great example of our intrepid reporter having diligently done his homework, unless he is trying to outdo Larry King for coming to an interview without seeing or reading the subject's work in question. Despite Matthews' bumbling, I am looking forward to seeing the film when it is released nationally.
Poppy didn't have enough inside information to inform W. and B. with the kind of info. they were getting. Deep Throat had access to Nixon's inner circle.
And to whoever asked "where are the Woodwards of today," I'd ask where is the original Woodward himself? When he was researching "Plan of Attack," why didn't he tell the rest of us that GWB knew the intel on Iraq was crap. He'd rather sell books than inform the public about a lying, corrupt administration.
Mister X,
He was the grocery boy. You know, next to the refrigerator. Actually, I think that was Neil Bush.
Darlin', he is in very good company.
Of course he is Deep Throat. He has been sucking off the corporate interests for 50 years.
Why am I talking like a hick? I blame Bu$h.
If Poppy is the snitch, then I'm not sure I believe ANYTHING W&B told us. Maybe Karl Rove was involved in this and feeding phony info to the press!
They have turned into the Woodwards of today.
dre
yes, including Woodward, himself. Not only has he given the Chimperor a pass, at times he's been a Bush apologist. Sad, really. Although, he did state that he was a Republican, in his first book, All the President's Men.
The elder Bush got his revenge in the end, by standing up at a cabinet meeting in August of 1974 and becoming the first person in Nixon's inner circle to ask the President to resign.
Apparently some people think he was in the inner circle....
Actually, Fred Fielding is Deep Throat
Who the fuck is Fred Fielding?
I hate Hell-o-scan. Comment eating motherfucker.
Oh, yeah. I was at the opening of the Watergate Papers today. Got to hear lots of snarky comments about the press and chimpy.
Fred Fielding is most likely the one. I don't think Poppy drank and smoked to the extent Woodstein descibed Deep Throat. While the cloak and dagger would have appealed to him, Poppy would not have endangered his political future and his loyalty to Republicans, Inc. by undermining a Republican presidency.
"Maybe Karl Rove was involved in this and feeding phony info to the press!"
Make that fed phony info to the press!
Res Ipsa Loquitor
Did some digging on Wall Street connection and came up with this.
The reason why the Watergate scandal escalated into the overthrow of Nixon has to do with the international monetary crisis of those years, and with Nixon's inability to manage the collapse of the Bretton Woods system and the U.S. dollar in a way satisfactory to the Anglo-American financial elite.
This is from
http://www.patrickcrusade.org/bush2.htm
hope that helps
Poppy was CIA director from Jan 1976-Jan 1977. He left when Ford did. He was chairman of the Republican National Committee from 1973 to 1974, in the last days of the Watergate scandal.
He was all around the interesting bits, but never seemed to be in on them.
"Who the fuck is Fred Fielding?"
John Dean's Deputy in the White House Counsel's office.
totally off topic...I miss the cats.
My husband and Karl Rove took turns as deep throat. What makes you think it was one person only.
I miss the cats and the nudibranches...
Woodward and Poppy were both Yalies. I lack the Ivy League sense of clannishness, but I gather *they* don't. It would be a point of trust, anyway.
Paleo, thanks, I am really, really tired tonight.
Ack!!!!!
You guys want to hear about the Watergate symposium? If not I won't tell you.
Fingers are tired.
NYMary, also Navy. Another point.
I had to explain to her that she was an at-will employee and there wasn't a bloody thing we could do to help her.
One of the many wonderful things about France is that there is no such thing as at-will employment. Employers have to show cause before they can fire anyone.
FLG, I would like to hear, either here and now or at your convenience when you're rested.
We do want to hear, 4 legs. Maybe a glass of wine would relax those digits?
I miss the cats and the nudibranches...
We got the nudibranches tonight.
Mais ou sont les chats?
Afo al hatoolim?
OT - Ba'al sez:
JENNIFER LOPEZ is so sick of her "J.Lo" stage name, she plans to call her upcoming album CALL ME JENNIFER. She says, "I'm not J.Lo, she's not a real person. She was just a bit of fun that got really crazy.
Shit. Do I now have to find a new SN? Would ya'll mind if I was...
THEY USED TO CALL ME "Jenny from the Blog" ?
Finding a new handle is hard, hard work.
4legs,
Stop being a temptress. What farkin' symposium?
Woodward and Poppy were both Yalies.
The plot sickens.
Bush as Deep Throat?
Woodward will never tell on him. Nice little relationship, however.
Olberman's talking about Poppy as Deep Throat! Now! MSNBC!
Olbermann on Countdown is covering it now, the Poppy angle.
Hmmm. Veddy interestink.
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Here's the real story behind Deep Throat
You guys want to hear about the Watergate symposium? If not I won't tell you.
Fingers are tired.
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 02.04.05 - 8:36 pm | #
Do tell.
Hey Atrios, just looked at you original post.
The Bushes don't have much connection with UT. The guy who runs the Ransom Center at UT is very, very aggressive at acquiring historic papers. And really good at finding the donors to pay for them.
BTW, Woodward and Bernstein were both here today at a symposium, speaking about the press.
I apparently told her she'd outgrow it.
I read Atlas shrugged in my early 20's.
It went against everything I thought was right, but I plowed thru it and by the time I was done, I was convinced she had some good stuff to say.
Read The Fountainhead and came away thinking Rand was full of shit.
Didn't last long for me, at all.
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THEY USED TO CALL ME "Jenny from the Blog"?
The Blogger Formerly Known As Jenny sounds better.
Woodward and Bernstein were both here today at a symposium, speaking about the press.
fourlegsgood
So they're still on speaking terms? Or just "speaking fee" terms...
Finding a new handle is hard, hard work.
You could always do a little plagiarizing.
Never hurt a rethug.Why not make it a bi-partisan thing?
John Dean to be on Countdown next Monday.
Well okay, let me get a glass of wine.
Karin -
Very good suggestion. Best to get as much distance from Pastabagel as possible...
Here's the real story behind Deep Throat
David Ehrenstein
A truly great flick!
Finding a new handle is hard, hard work.
Jenny from the Blog
Hmmmm... I'm thinking Ex-X!
Testing...
Chug it, 4legs!
David E -
Very underrated satire.
Everybody should see it.
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The Sunday LA Times is supposed to have a lot of Watergate info, so says Keith Olberman.
Would the TV media be allowed to even say Deep Throat today?
.
Okay, back to the drawing board.
Dean! Dean! Dean! Dean!
Ya know, Hal Holbrook does look sort of like Poppy, in a dark parking garage.
If it turns out poppy was deep throat,what kind of havoc will ensue.Surely there are ramificatioins here.Poppy throwing Nixon under the bus is a thing not done lightly and it would likely be for some paticular reason.That reason being the key question.
Oh how the mind twitters with the implicatioins.
Note to self,metal masturbation is not good for the hand...uhhh mind.
I have my alternate backup handle already picked out.
"Chinook Pete".
4legs,
Hey, I know Tom Staley! He's a Joycean!
chris/tx ... I am still afraid that those DLC creeps are going to find a way to torpedo Dean. And I don't believe them -- particularly that Bull Moose guy -- that Dean is exactly what the Repukes want.
Umm,neither is Mental Masturbation.
Dam not proof reading.
I blame bush.
Cat's up!
oddly enough, the deep throat may have been nixon himself. oh, i know, sounds too crazy, but rmn was crazed. crazed by the persona that he had to adopt to balance the forces.
but the most important aspect of the deep throat sty is how it confirms the existence of, the persistence of conspiracies. for example, some of you may have encountered a response to your outloud musings on conspiracies such as..."no one, no group of people could keep it secret for so long."
and this is what is so instructive about the deep throat story. 30+ years later, the identity of this individual has been kept a secret. and beyond woodstein, here are those that have known of deep throat's identity. at the miminum....
ben bradlee
kate graham
don graham & wife
bo jones & wife
lally weymouth & significant other
andy beyer
sally quinn bradlee
harry rosenfeld
howie simons
barry sussman
and then there are the spooks.
so, at the minimum 16 individuals have known of the identity of deep throat for over 30 years.
is this proof that a conspiracy can be maintained for years? yes it is.
and anytime anyone tells you that there cannot be conspiracies because someone would talk, counter with this history of conspiratorial silence.
How 'bout ExJennny? or JenEx? Jenny Redux?
Or I could just hush up over here.... lol
Note to self,metal masturbation is not good for the hand...uhhh mind.
smalfish
From your lips to Iron Fisty's ears...
Jen-X has a sort of ring to it...
Ripley!
Jenny Redux it is! 
So you know who else died today?
Max Schmeling. He was 99.
Well, Atabla has a point. Let's try the other...
*
Karin,
And Ossie Davis. Sad.
Havill is full of it. Nixon was almost certain to resign in August of 74 (I was hoping he'd do it on my birthday, but missed by a few days). He wasn't close to Nixon and the UN job had more prestige than being an Assistant Secretary. Poppy's last heroic acts were in WWII. It would have been someone closer to Tricky and somoen with more principal.
Whats wrong with JtfB?
I always like that handle.
Res Ipsa Loquitor - Me thinks the DLC folks are even smart enough not to step in front of a bus. The grassroots have spoken, and it is Dean, or forget the money.
Re the goopers saying Dean is a blessing for them in disguise - Careful what you wish for. Dean can run circles around Melhman (or whatever the GOP guys name is).
I hate to be redundant, but everyone I knew that was an adult in government at the time of Bush/Nixon held Bush 1 in extremely low regard. My father was a nice man who was the only person I knew that spoke ill of Poppy early and often. Bush always seemed unworthy of hostility to me at the time but what did I know? My father ranted about the evil Bush as head of the CIA while I just couldn't get what he was so pissed about. Now I get it. They knew stuff.
Maybe a combination of snark/no snark names, eh? Depending on your mood and what have you...
Alright. It's official. It's my new name and I'm sticking with it. Thanks Ripley.
Hey, I know Tom Staley! He's a Joycean!
Really? My dean moderated one of the panels today. He said you have to invoke the 15 minute rule when talking to Staley... it goes like this...
The first five minutes you learn something for sure.
The second five minutes you become intensely interested in what he's telling you.
At the end of the third five minutes you find yourself writing him a check.
He suggested you ask where the bathroom is around the 12 minute mark.
All the academic and development people thought it was funny.
So you know who else died today?
Max Schmeling. He was 99.
Karin
Yeah, did you know he paid for Joe Lewis' funeral?
You're welcome... now kill a troll for us at once !
Yeah, NYMary,we talked about Ossie Davis earlier. Great man. I found a video clip of him and Ruby Dee speaking at the Democratic Convention last summer.
smalfish -
Ha. I'll probably switch around for a while. I'm off to yoga class - I'll meditate on this and world peace for for the next couple of hours...
And I don't believe them -- particularly that Bull Moose guy -- that Dean is exactly what the Repukes want.
Ha. I think they could have torn him apart as a candidate, but I think he scares the shit out of them as DNC chair - someone who will say "FIGHT, DAMMIT!" in addition to "Send us money!" McAuliffe was pretty much only good at (or interested in) the latter, and the party followed his lead.
4legs,
At the end of the third five minutes you find yourself writing him a check.
Good quality for used car salesman and academic administrators.
Jen-X •
No relation.
If it's true that Woodward and Bernstein have his permission to name him after he's dead it can't be Poppy. Kitty Kelly reported on the Diane Rehm show that one thing she found out while doing her research was that records related to memebers of the Bush family had an uncanny way of disappearing. In fires, accidents, just disappearing. If Poppy had knifed Nixon in the back he certainly wouldn't want his fellow oligarchs knowing it. I know there is no honor as normal people would know it but they've got to have some confidence that they won't do this to each other.
Besides, you've heard his voice. Can you imagaine anyone calling him "deep throat"? Weeny whistle maybe, not deep throat.
Jen-X •
No relation.
MisterX
Aw, MisterX, would I be crowding you?
Ossie, Max and John Vernon, the voice of Big Brother in that movie, and actor in Animal House, Outlaw Josey Wales, etc.
There's the cluster of three?
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neoclown mofos
I love this expression without reason and plan to steal it shamelessly, chicagodyke.
Re the goopers saying Dean is a blessing for them in disguise - Careful what you wish for. Dean can run circles around Melhman (or whatever the GOP guys name is).
chris/tx
Remember how right they were about Clinton in 1991, too damaged by scandal to be elected? I think the gloating over Dean is whistling past their graveyard. Look, he's the first person to give FOX the finger. After all these years he told them to fuck off. And didn't the whores howl. Made Iowa look like a toast at the Rotarian's Banquet.
He's just what we need.
Okay, watergate here or on the kitty thread?
Weeny whistle maybe, not deep throat.
C'mon now, history has shown that the bush clan are masters at projection.
They buy what they cant have and they take what they want and name themselves what they always wished they were.
Max Schmeling. He was 99.
He beat Joe Lewis, and the Nazis went wild.
Two years later, Joe beat him, and the Nazis deserted.
Sounds familiar. The little people need big *winners* to feel like men.
Except they never are. Hey, trolls, listening?
From this article:
After the war, Schmeling was nearly destitute and fought five more times for the money. He retired after a 10-round loss to Walter Neusel in 1948 at 43 with a record of 56-10-4 with 39 knockouts.
Schmeling used the money from the bouts to buy the license to the Coca-Cola franchise in Germany and grew wealthy in the postwar era. He also marketed his name, retaining his huge popularity in Germany despite his problems with the Nazis.
Yay, Coca-Cola.