HULK SMASH
Thank God the parents aren't gay.
evil
Hanging is too good for them.
Burning is too good for them.
They should be cut up into little bitty pieces and burried alive.
This is a direct result of Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.
the dollars. perfect.
This never would have happened if only the Dollars had mixed with the upper classes at their local evangelical mega-church instead of taking welfare money from the liberal elite
As the bumperstickers around here say: "Kids need both parents."
(I've always wondered why being against divorce was interpreted as being for heterosexual marriage.)
Two more Banana Republicans!
Cup O' Joe - Blog Of The Working Man!
They have a Lexus? Republicans.
Are they registered Republicans?
But they look like such nice people.
Isn't it kinda lame to post horror stories from red states, with the idea it somehow disproves something Brooks wrote? Bobo's a moron, but this hardly raises the level of discourse. On the other hand, screw it.
Red-Staters.
Home-schoolers.
Not gay.
A good married Christian couple.
Why, they're the perfect parents!
Jesus christ. Good morning.
Red state heterosexual couples who torture their kids with cattle prods and hammers have "family values".
A sane gay couple who loves and nurtures their children are sick and have no values.
God will forgive abusive heterosexual assholes for torturing their kids. Gay parents who raise healthy, well-adjusted children are going to Hell.
Are you going to institute a Florida tag?
Umm...I can beat that story like a gong.
Spare the rod spoil the child.
And don't forget (though he's African American)
Alan Keyes disowning his daughter for her "shameful hedonism."
What an ass.
Not fair before the second cup of coffee. Nausea lurches.
It doesn't say if these were 'born agains' or not, but based on what my sister, who has inhabited Florida for 20 years (as that ungodly species, university professor), the fundies are the ones who account for many of the child abuse cases.
More information would be useful, as to what motivated these people to these horrors.
I think the turkey fryer is too good for these folks, personally.
Thank Ba'al it is illegal for gays to adopt children in Florida
Awww, hell. Talk about making the baby Jesus cry.
But they look like such nice people.
NTodd
They get off on inflicting pain and misery and suffering on people - just like that smirking chimp Bush.
Given the Bush family's documented history of raising kids who become criminals, sadists, drunks, sociopaths, skanks, and drug addicts, it wouldn't surprise me if the couple is a distant relative of the Bush clan.
More information would be useful, as to what motivated these people to these horrors.
It's not an uncommon syndrome. Often motivated by money, people act as foster parents, discover they have no talent for it, then start blaming the children. Money + Kids + Stupid = disaster.
after recognizing their gold 2000 Lexus sport utility vehicle
I comment you not.
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What the hell is it about Texas and Florida? Seriously. It seems to me the most horrible child abuse imaginable has come from those two states.
Good, wholesome Christian folk. Not like those degenerate blue staters at all.
What the hell is it about Texas and Florida?
Underfunded and unappreciated social services.
What the hell is it about Texas and Florida? Seriously. It seems to me the most horrible child abuse imaginable has come from those two states.
bigvic
They're both states where a Bush was recently or currently still is governor??
Just think how much better a saviour Jesus would have been if Mary and Joseph would have followed this couples examples...
Why isn't the media reporting about the 2 of their 7 children who WEREN'T 70 percent underweight, shocked with cattle prod and DIDN'T sleep in a closet?
And I'm sure these upstanding heterosexual people were married in a good Christian church, their union blessed by God.
Not to mention their Lexus SUV and Marathon motor home. I bet they had a nice manicured lawn, too. Who wouldn't want such a charming family for neighbours?
Damnable liberal media bias!
Christ, my stomach.
And if they turn out to be "Christian" fundamentalists, remember - punishment is key to their child-rearing beliefs. Read Dobson; he reportedly beat his own. This is so sickening.
Well, in Bush world, these two would be up for a promotion. I'm sure they'll be released from prison since AG Gonzales approves of torture. Perhaps these two nice people were holding enemy combatants. You never know what those pesky insurgents will do next.
They get off on inflicting pain and misery and suffering on people - just like that smirking chimp Bush.
Being good Christians, they aren't perfect, just forgiven.
But I'll bet they were framed by some gay atheist bureaucrat.
Perhaps these two nice people were holding enemy combatants. You never know what those pesky insurgents will do next.
Yeah, why isn't the media reporting about new tactics using children to terrorize good, god-fearing couples like these nice people?
These are God-fearin' people, O Lord.
This is a note from a demon's chord.
Janet's nipple's to blame,
Or the sponges who came
To burnish Mr. Satan's washboard.
Atrios, Florid has always been filled with twisted fucks. But here in the true Red State Heartland, the home of Tom Delay, you get a baby killed every day:
Infant's injuries nearly 'head to toe,' police say
Both parents are charged with injury to a child as 6-month-old girl fights for her life
By PEGGY O'HARE and ANDREW TILGHMAN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
A 6-month-old girl fighting for her life after being severely abused, both physically and sexually, was covered from "head to toe" with brutal injuries, police said Friday.
The parents, Ivan Castaneda, 22, and Donna Marie Norman, 19, are each charged with injury to a child and are being held without bond. Charges may be upgraded to capital murder if the infant dies, police said.
She remains in Texas Children's Hospital's intensive care unit and is breathing on her own, but is still suffering from internal bleeding, and doctors are not sure if she will survive. The baby was penetrated or raped vaginally and anally, and her tongue was nearly severed, police said. Investigators aren't sure how her tongue was cut so severely because she doesn't have teeth.
Baby, sister in foster care
The infant also had skull fractures, brain contusions and hemorrhaging, as well as injuries to her liver, lungs and kidneys, said Houston Police Department Sgt. Randy Upton. "In this case, the trauma was nearly head to toe," he said.
Police are investigating how the wounds occurred, but criminal complaints accuse the parents of striking the baby with an unknown object.
The St. Petersburg Times article states that the parents are very "religious." It also says that they moved frequently-I shudder to think that some children they adopted may have disappeared.
Just curious: do we know if the kids were white or black?
By the way, my last post is cut from this morning's Houston Chronicle, so it's not like I had to search to find it.
They operated a "christian" school folks.
Seriously. That is what they did for a living.
Perhaps these two nice people were holding enemy combatants.
The sick thing is, the more fundie the "Christian", the more brutal they seem to be toward their fellow man. I'm not equating these two to christianity at large, but it scares me how nasty and intorerant fundies are on the whole.
They both look like some of Jonathan Winters' old characters.
It must be those crazy university town liberals again.
Another example of the liberal media exaggerating, lying and doing a hatchet job on some folks trying to do the right thing for their kids and do right by God and country.
The real story is at WorldNetDaily.
Ba'al,
That's terrifying. Our Rosie is five months old.
Wait folks, it gets worse:
Accused child abuse couple ran private school in Knox Co.
KNOX COUNTY (WATE) -- 6 News on Friday found people who knew John and Linda Dollar, a couple wanted on child abuse charges in Florida when they lived in Knox County, where they ran a private school.
One woman tells 6 News the kids who were apparently abused were schooled by Linda.
In East Knox County, a home that was formerly Mountain View Christian Academy was owned and run by the Dollars.
According to Paula Spradlin, in 1998 her son went to Mountain View for a semester. She says the seven children taken from the Dollars' custody also attended.
"They were, you know, adopted and they'd come from different homes and they'd come from abusive homes or neglect and that's why they had adopted them."
Spradlin says Linda Dollar told her she was a certified teacher. She also says the home where classes were held was well equipped for children, with smoke detectors, fire alarms and a security system to help keep students safe.
Spradlin says the Dollars seemed to be very religious and she never suspected they would hurt a child. "Not the way they talked about God and church and their faith."
According to the Orlando Sentinal, the foster children in question were homeschooled by the Dollars and the Dollars rarely if ever allowed their charges to play with other kids nearby. Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know the race of the adoptees.
It seems the Dollars meted out what was in their eyes biblical discipline.I see perhaps a Christian based biblically inspired first amendment free exercise of religion defense. May play well in the kindgom of jeb.
Got another bobo's world for ya, courtesy the President's home state and adopted city:
I don't know how to use tinyurl, so clock the homepage link
Houston Chronicle: "Infant's injuries nearly 'head to toe,' police say"
The woman looks like she could be related to "Pat" the "Purple Heart Bandaid on the Chin" from the Rethug Convention. Is she Pat's sister?
I wouldnt be surprised.
fala
It's obvious that they spent their formative years amongst the university town elite.
Isn't it kinda lame to post horror stories from red states, with the idea it somehow disproves something Brooks wrote? Bobo's a moron, but this hardly raises the level of discourse.
The level of discourse was fucked a long time ago.
When I read this story on another, non-political, site, I wondered how folks here might advise the Dollars be treated, should they be found guilty. I'd like to hear what folks think, in all seriousness.
One thing that struck me from the report I read was that the neighbors didn't even know these peopl had kids. I'm sorry, but unless these folks used their Lexus to plow the north forty, that's just wrong.
And another thing, the report I read said that the children didn't attend school. WTF? Isn't some kind of paperwork, or at least a phone call, needed if children are going to be kept out of the school system?
I feel a rant coming on, so I'll end by saying that should Mr. Bush of Fla attempt to rise any higher politically, I hope this and the dozen or so other cases I could probably recite from memory are trotted out and pinned on him.
Can we all just agree that:
1. fundies make scary parents,
2. the Right cares more about not sparing the rod than it does about taking care of the child, and
3. as far as the Bushies are concerned, it's every man, woman and child for him or herself once he or she develops beyond the zygote stage - or unless a Bush can use the child for political gain?
The country's move toward extreme right wing ideology has been terrible for American children. Just terrible.
No major organ failure or death? How can it be torture then? Isn't there a moral equivalency between this and what the Architect of Torture says is okay?
How many horror stories are there from FL? I don't think the little girl who was taken from a foster home by a "case worker" was ever found, was she?
Gosh, if Jebbie can't keep kids in state custody safe, why would anyone trust him with the entire country?
Sophie makes me laugh. And cry.
The level of discourse was fucked a long time ago.
Ain't that God's fuckin truth?!
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I guess the question is, was the level of pain inflicted on the children akin to organ failure?
fala ... Do you know where I can find a photo of that "Pat of the Purple Heart Bandaid on the Chin?" I have been looking for it for a while. Want to use it in a guerilla ad campaign. Thanks in advance ....
I was recently reading about a phenomenon in New Jersey. It seems that every summer, there is at least one case of a baby dying in a car, because a parent "forgets" they are there, and leaves them locked in a hot car in the heat.
No, Mr. Black isn't being fair. Before anyone asks me to grumble,show me one genuinely fair-minded column by Bobo Brooks.
According to CNN none of these children are the couple's biological children; they are all adopted - having been first placed in this home as foster children.
This is the state,led by Jed Bush, that refuses to even consider placing children in homes with gay parents. This is the state, led by Jed Bush, that tried to take foster children who were loved and cared for by their gay foster parents for crucial years of their lives, away from those parents, to satisfy the likes of James Dobson, who is welcome everywhere on our media, despite the fact that he preaches a philosophy of of how to raise children that is encourages parents that it is their responsibility to use physical force to avoid raising a "willful" child.
How in hell, after the scandals regarding foster children that occurredin his first term, did Jeb Bush not make sure that all foster placements, especially those that became adoptions were revisted, at home, by a knowledgable social worker.
Re: Lexi
Back in the day, when DrWGG and DrMrsWGG were still together and enjoying the fruits of out appointments as professors at various large universities, we had a Lexus. In 1991, we bought a new ES300. In 95, we traded the 300 in on a pre-owned ('94) 400. They're really nice, cars; but DrMrsWGG and I were squarely among the liberal elite professoriate about whom the GOPukes are and were so exorcised...
Leah A,
I agree with every word you typed. Well said.
That's it. I'm moving. Living in the same city as Instawanker and the Dollars former home. Jesus Christ, get me outa here now.
This story is a bunch of hate God, hate American lies, with little truth to it, used by the secular media machine to denigrate Christians and patriotic, right thinking citizens. Propoganda for Dan Rather and his ilk. You think this blood libel will hurt Bush and his supporters. Wrong. Our moral values do not have to be explained and parsed to you elitists. I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, USA, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND BUSH. You liberals support evil.
Karin - that happens in Texas about once a summer, too. And if you think it's hot in New Jersey...
Karin - that happens in Texas about once a summer, too. And if you think it's hot in New Jersey...
Tena
Karin - that happens in Texas about once a summer, too. And if you think it's hot in New Jersey...
Tena
once a summer? Seems sometimes I don't go a week without hearing it happening in the Houston area. Last summer I think there were three or four in the span of about 5 days.
well, obviously I don't know a damn thing about how these tags workd.
LOL
Carry on, pay no attention to the html idiot working the room
Get these two to Abu Ghraib quick, these are just the kind of self-starters they're looking for there.
Bobo's world? More like Rummy's world.
If these folks are Christian, right-thinking citizens then I'm the Holy Ghost.
Read Dobson; he reportedly beat his own. This is so sickening.
Dobson should be beaten bloody with a gunnysack full of his own books.
Republicans Suck, I googled Purple Heart Bandaid, Pat and came up with the pic.
Im not sure how to post it here.
http://images.google.com/images?
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http://images.google.com/images?...2C+&
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The resemblance is amazing! hehe
fala
Totally OT, sorry, and not that it matters anymore, but has this been discussed? From FAIR: background on the NYTimes' burial of a story on "Bulgegate" that was thoroughly researched, written, edited and ready to go... "too close to the election," in the paper's final estimation. The writer wonders what the effect might have been had the Times carried a piece about what WAS under Bush's jacket during the debates, instead of just Salon and Mother Jones.
Maybe I'm overreacting to something ancient, and before coffee yet, but it seems like the textbook example of our SCUM at work. The more I read this, the more pissed I get.
I just read Drudge report, and these people are heroes! They SAVED these children from being aborted by their parents!
-Diana
Tim-in-Houston - well, I said at least once a summer.
I'm not deliberately trying to downplay it, but I don't always hear about the ones in Houston.
i'll bet money the kids aren't white. and as another poster has informed us, of course they are fundies.
i'm too sick to say anyting intelligent about his right now. but i hope someone starts a fund for the children, they are going to need a lot of pyschological help for a very long time.
jebus christmas, we sure this isn't the same person?
even the shape of the glasses are the same
Why, Why, Why would anyone want to inflict such stupid senseless pain on another being... let alone children... let alone their OWN children???? I HATE those people! What monsters!
Read Dobson; he reportedly beat his own. This is so sickening.
Dobson should be beaten bloody with a gunnysack full of his own books.
Buzz Bomb
Nahhhhh...
Just kneecap the fucker, both knees... i'd love to see if he can pull down a miracle afterwards and walk again withOUT crutches or a cane...
Republicans suck-this page also has a photo of a woman with a ph bandaid on her face.
Meth, mullets, and murder. Bobo can have it.
I am willing to bet quatloos to dollare$$$ that the foster kids starved, beaten, and tortured by these 'good christians' were children-of-color.
There is just absolutely no dobut in my mind...
Remember, folks - Sophie is a meta-troll. She'll be here all week. Try the veal.
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Oh dear. I think someone struck a nerve with Sophie G. Sophie, honey, remember always: God loves the Christian, but hates the Christianity.
I am a freedom and God loving American Christian. What are you, a terrorist?
Well, Sophie G. Taretsky, it's obvious that you'll say anything for a Dollar.
I'm not 100% sure but I think Jeb Bush awarded the Dollars "Parent of the Year" awards for 2002 and 2003...
Sophie's also Great American Patriot, or some such, too, if her grammatical and spelling quirks are any indication...just sayin...
I love Sophie. She always makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
It does look amazingly like the same woman who was photographed with the purple heart bandaid.
Shit like this makes my blood run cold. These people should never have had this many children released into their care. But people make money being foster parents and things like this happen all the fucking time. *sigh*
I remember last year there was a horrific child abuse case out of a small town east of here. The couple were cops and they had a whole raft of foster children.
Just kneecap the fucker, both knees... i'd love to see if he can pull down a miracle afterwards and walk again withOUT crutches or a cane...
LOL
Why, Why, Why would anyone want to inflict such stupid senseless pain on another being... let alone children... let alone their OWN children???? I HATE those people! What monsters!
yes, owl- that is the question, isn't it? and i think most of us here know the answer. over simplifying things, it's a combination of our culture of violence, the desire to dominate that is borne of a life in which control over important things is given to faceless others (those to whom you pay your bills), and racial hatred. i'd add in the case of these two, a perversion of christian beliefs, and an emphasis on the patriarch-as-YHWH complex, which makes 'smiting' and 'bashing' something religious, and therefore 'good.'
and, i'd say chances are good that one or both of them were abused themselves as children. it's common in abusers.
dobut=doubt
any other questions?
fala - I think you are on to something. They look very similar. If this Linda Blood is indeed Ms. GOP purple bandaid.... YIKES
oops. meant to say Linda Dollar
PS: Talk about your Beverly Hillbillies...
OK, I have to point this out: it's a book called _To Train Up a Child_ by Michael and Debi Pearl. It's actually a manual of child abuse. Doing the stuff in this book (such as switching babies with a rod and sitting on your toddlers) should be grounds for removal of children, but instead it's sold on Amazon.com.
The reviews of this book are instructive. There are well over 200 of them.
Sadly, the Pearls are not alone in their "Christian" child rearing. Of course, James Dobson is well-known for promoting child discipline that has the potential to go over into abuse. And then there's Gary Ezzo and "Parent Directed Feeding" promoted through books like _Babywise_. This is a way of breaking a newborn from sinful behavior by parental control of a baby's feeding times because babies are selfish (in Ezzo's opinion). What it leads to is "Failure to Thrive". (More information here. )
This is all very, very sick. But it's a part of the fundievangelical subculture, and, hence, part of Bobo's World.
any other questions?
Which is more acceptable: donut or doughnut?
fala ... Many thanks again.
Dr. Pendant got it right on the money. The *respect for life* crowd underfunds child welfare to the extreme. Social Services as well.
These phoney sacks of shit should be forced to live in the hellish world they inflict on the poor and defenceless, you know, the folks Jesus cared so much for.
Smashed Patellas
Name of a new altie/indie band?
Appropriate punishment for theofascist chjild-abusers and their apologists?
And if that doesn't do it, then smash their fucking elbows. I'd love to watch 'em eat afterwards...
YES, THERE MORE HERE AT WWW.DILBY.COM
fala ... My God she is just as heinous as I remember her. A real knuckle-dragger.
Probably the pig that comes to mind.
And there were some RNC contributions (fec.gov) from 'John Dollar' and 'Linda Dollar' out in Colorado, but without more data, perhaps those are simply unluckily named.
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Deana,
Whew! That's one book I'd be in favor of banning. Sounds like a crime manual to me.
and, i'd say chances are good that one or both of them were abused themselves as children. it's common in abusers.
AP says you're right:
In a 1995 application with the Department of Children & Families, Linda Dollar wrote that she left home at age 16 because of her alcoholic and abusive father. She also wrote that her first marriage ended because of "abuse." She gave no other details.
Fala:
Allow me to assist you:
Purple-Heart Bandage
The other one>/a>
Oh, wait, they adopted the children... well, that makes it different... it doesn't stop them from being monster sick fucks, though!
Not all states require anything of those claiming to home school. In Oklahoma a few years back a mother killed her child and no one realized he had been dead for a long time because she told his former school that she was home schooling him.
And Silleigh, I am furious at that article, too. Heaven forbid that the media do anything that might have affected the chance of Our Dear Leader to be re(s)elected.
Speaking of Bobo's World, I don't know if this has been discussed already…but the Times has an article today about that family that was filmed for the PBS show that Spellings squashed link.
In it I found my wanker of the day:
"We don't want to violate the trust parents have with us," said Allan Pizzato, executive director of Alabama Public Television, explaining why he wouldn't have shown the program even if PBS had distributed it. "Parents can make the decision about when they want to talk about lesbian parents. If PBS sent a program down that said there was no Santa Claus, I wouldn't air that one either. Parents should make that decision, too."
Lesbian parents, Santa Claus….nice analogy asshead.
Here is the little girl who was going to be on the show:
"I was pretty upset when the show was canceled, because I was very excited about it," Emma said in a telephone interview from her home in Vermont. "I know some people don't like gays and lesbians because they think they are bad people. That's just a stereotype and it's kind of hurtful. I don't think people should think of us as very different. We are just the same except we have two moms."
I can see why parents wouldn't want their children to watch this, who is this little bitch think she is telling kids what to think? This is just wack, people branding their children's forehead w/ the torture king's initial and running scared from Emma Riesner. That just about sums up Bobo's World.
Re: Fat, jowly, multi-chinned, Southern, GOPuke women
The one with the PH-Bandage (boy would I love to make her earn it) has a vestigial moustache (most of the FJMSGW do to some extent, ofcourse), and the criminal, torturing cunt seems to have less of both the facial hair and the multiple chins...
Silleigh,
Read you link. Fuck the goddamned press. Just fuck them.
Of course, this abuse would have been allowed by Gonzalez if the children had been picked up in a sweep in, say, Baghdad...
Wow, Utah was the right state for them to go to as well. I remember when I was looking to buy a house in the Salt Lake City area seeing door locks on homes in the houses I was viewing. The locks were on the outside of the doors - to the rooms which were obviously children's bedrooms. And, it wasn't in just one home, but several out of the dozens we inspected. The Dollars would have fit right in.
"their gold 2000 Lexus sport utility vehicle."
How in the living hell do people capable of child torture amass enough money to afford a gold Lexus? I've never tortured any children and I have to ride Metro.
The words of my mother come to mind: If you ever want to know what God thinks of money, look at the people who have it.
Sorry for the tangent.
Ba'al is correct. However, Americans don't regard brown furreners as human, so it does't count
This appears to be the same John E. Dollar -- at least, the age, dates, employment, and places match up: http://www.appraisalsusa.com/jd.htm
Ba'al concedes defeat for the moment. The fact that the couple in Florida once operated a Christian school trumps any of the child abuse that has been reported in Texas -- at least today.
But there is always tommorow and there are always wingnuts.
Alabama Public Television was it Alabama or Mississippi who wouldn't show Sesame Street in the beginning because it was an integrated neighborhood?
Maine Public Broadcasting is waiting until its "community advisory board" meets and gives them cover. I suspect its because the mangagment are a bunch of chickens.
I saw Sugartime. The lesbians household and children were almost depressingly normal. The daughter was into crafts the sons into boxing a punching bag. The only thing I had misgivings about was that it looked kind of dangerous when they put the Xmas tree on the bonfire. That's kind of dangerous. Kids, don't try this at home. And brush your teeth after the maple snow.
More notes from Brooksian idiots: I checked out fala's purble heart bandaid link, and leafed through the other photos the guy had on display. He's got a picture of a MacDonald's opening in Iraq, headed "Times are Changing in Baghdad."
Folks, that's the mentality we are dealing with. People that actually think that not only does MacDonald's make you civilized, your belief in that tenet is worth boasting about on your webpage. *bangs head against wall*
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Look for more of this.
I have never understood why some parents seem to feel it is okay to inflict more pain on their children then they themselves could endure. But because the children "belong" to them, any kind of punishment they which to administer is their own perogative. I'd love to watch their nails being pulled off with pliers and see what they think of it.
Fuckers.
I don't think it's the same person. The shape of the smile dimples is notably different.
Yep, Bobo's World.
Friends and neighbors, meantime, described the Dollars as religious and strict, and said the children hardly ever were seen.
http://tinyurl.com/7xaco
How in the living hell do people capable of child torture amass enough money to afford a gold Lexus? I've never tortured any children and I have to ride Metro.
There's apparently no margin in treating children nicely. Christian capitalists apparently have the art of profit down.
I don't think it's the same person. The shape of the smile dimples is notably different.
Oh, wait, they adopted the children... well, that makes it different...
Yeah, that makes it a bigger fucking nightmare. THey had permanent legal custody of the children - great.
People who insist that adoption is the perfect option for unwanted pregnancies need to be sat down and forced to read every news story about abusive adoptive parents and those stories should be required reading for any girl who is considering giving a baby up. They want to force women's clinics to give info on adoption - by god this should be part of it.
NTodd---
mmm. Never thought of that. Whereas normal people see to it that children are fed, perhaps The Dollars were spending the food money on a Gold Lexus. Feeding children is obviously unnecessary overhead to these sick fucks.
A little off topic but it's interesting how CNN splashes this with the TORTURE headline but when the U.S. Military is caught doing it on a grand scale it is downgraded to "abuse scandal" like it's another OJ Simpson episode. It's a war of words and we're losing...perception is everything.
There's apparently no margin in treating children nicely. Christian capitalists apparently have the art of profit down.
NTodd
We know that the Repulbicans want to return us to a golden age, before the state intruded into such things. Now we know what that means. This is exactly how children were treated in work houses and by the owners of chimney sweeping companies in 19th century London. They used to file the children's teeth down, allegedly so they couldn't bite them but I suspect they enjoyed the agony.
Dickens would see many familiar sights in George Bush's America.
They want to force women's clinics to give info on adoption - by god this should be part of it.
Tena
A-farkin-men. These sactity of lifers are complete and utter phonies. They don't give a shit about their fellow man. They are just sactimonious snobs.
People who insist that adoption is the perfect option for unwanted pregnancies need to be sat down and forced to read every news story about abusive adoptive parents and those stories should be required reading for any girl who is considering giving a baby up. They want to force women's clinics to give info on adoption - by god this should be part of it.
Tena, that absolutely nails it. By god, indeed.
I hide Ezzo books in the bookstores. Umm...I meant to say I've been "creatively reshelving" them. For instance, I put them in the International Travel section.
Now I'll add Dobson & Pearl to my reshelving duties.
I also buy Ezzo books from thrift stores and throw them in the recyling bin.
For years, aware mothers I know have been doing this and you can do it too!
We know where they can get a good torture lawyer.
Hint: Initials are A.G.
bigvic - basically, those people don't give a shit about reality. All they see is what they want to see - adoption means that little babies get to belong to people who really really want them and who will treat them like treasures.
Oh yeah, right.
Hell, I have a friend who adopted a child who is now about 19. She hates him and tells him that all the time. Tells him that it's no wonder he's such a loser, his real parents were worthless.
And this is an otherwise decent person.
Adoption is a mine field.
As the Good Book says: "Spare the prod and spoil the child." Also there's that bit about how "if your child sins or causes you to sin, pluck out his toenails." Or something like that.
This is just another example of the persecution of good God-fearing Christians by the media and the liberal elite. If they would stop shoving homosexual cartoon characters down children's throats, this type of tough love wouldn't be necessary.
But there is always tommorow and there are always wingnuts.
*Sigh* If they won't reform their evil ways, can't they at least have the decency to go into hiding?
"...including twin 14-year-old boys who were so malnourished they weighed 36 and 38 pounds apiece..."
Funny, the Dollars look amply fed.
My little theory: a combination of nature and nurture produce a kind of person who is prone to crappy behavior. Sometimes it is spending all your hard-earned dollars on porn and gambling and sometimes it is beating your foster children unconscious. These people know they are prone to bad behavior, and believe that is how all people are, so they are more likely to be in favor of totalitarian religion and government.
A combination of nature and nurture produce people who are not prone to all these horrible behaviors. We don't understand the need to be ruled from above. It is not that we are perfect -- we drink too much sometimes or we slack at work -- but our definition of self-discipline has to do with an order of magnitude less bad. It's not the end of the world if I wake up on Sunday with a hangover, but it pretty much is the end of the world if I wake up on Sunday with a malnourished, beaten-down kid.
Hell, I have a friend who adopted a child who is now about 19. She hates him and tells him that all the time. Tells him that it's no wonder he's such a loser, his real parents were worthless.
That crashing sound you hear is my heart breaking. Stunned disbelief.
Tena, what kind of friend is that??!!!
Tena: Your friend is not an otherwise decent person if she does this to her adopted child. That is her true nature speaking, when she calls her child a loser. Or does she support the correct causes;enviornemt, gay marriage, etc and this makes her otherwise decent.
Wasn't there a story on Dateline NBC a couple years back with an eerilly similar MO?
Kids beaten and starved. Neighbors didn't know anything about it coz the children were never seen, etc. etc.
Damn liberal media strikes again, impregnating good decent christian parents with their bad morals!!
*snort*
Tomato,
Good observation.
This is why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry!
(Have to stay on message.)
The kids I am really curious about are the two "favored" adoptees, 14 and 17. They must have learned long ago how to avoid beatings and starvation. Did they drink the koolaid completely, and totally buy the fundie behavior and explanations? Did they try to assist or protect the younger five, or assist in those childrens' torture? Did they lord it over the little ones, or give them sympathy?
And why didn't they call the police? Were they terrified or complicit or driven to some sort of psychosis?
All these kids are in huge, huge psychological trouble. How could you live with yourself, knowing what you permitted your adopted "parents" to do to little children under their care?
Suicide watch time.
They want to force women's clinics to give info on adoption - by god this should be part of it.
Tena
spot on and sad and true
By the way the CNN article makes mo mention of any religous angle. Why are psoteres here blaming Christianiy for this? or is this just your own irrational bigotry at play? My, my not very tolerant is it/