I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Hey Fuck Bush!
Second in line, and not a creative thought in my head. Not that this distinguishes today from any other day.
Good for anyone who can actually stand to watch that shit. It's just a parade of liars and morons. I'll sleep in...
Atrios,
Any idea how long this has been going on? I would think it wouldn't be that tough to do a little research to find out.
A record of this bias going back a few years would be very revealing.
From the newspaper that cannot be named:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/
0...artner=homepage
"Leading Shiite Clerics Pushing Islamic Constitution in Iraq
By EDWARD WONG 10:06 PM ET
The leaders want their faith to be enshrined as the national religion, governing marriage, divorce and family inheritance."
Yessiree, freedom is on the march in Iraq. And, I might add, such a constitution is well worth all the blood and treasure we have expended on it.
Proud to be a Murikan!
CS, Media Matters did that recently but I think it was only for a day or week or so.
I can't believe that people still watch these shows, anyway. Do they honestly expect to hear some amazing new insight that will solve the world's problems? It's just a poli-celebrity orgy, as far as I can tell. Then again, I don't have a TV so I don't get to watch them anyway.
If Timmy doesn't bring up the Pentagon's manipulation of the American public through paid bloggers and phone show call-ins, will Teddy?
Harry Reid, this week, told the press they misrepresented social security solvency to the public. Teddy should grab this press baton and bludgon Russert with it particularly if Rummy preceeds him with 15 minutes of Timmy butterfly kisses capped with a hearty chuckle over the Superbowl.
Come on Teddy, show Chairman Dean and America you are still as aggressively eloquent as ever.
Not one, not two but three shots for Donald Rumsfeld to spins his bullshit nonanswers for a handful of unelected millionaire corporate lacket fuckwads in Washington.
NBC, and therefore Tim Russert, is owned by GE, one of the largest weapons contractors in the US. But you're a commie if you talk about that.
I want to bounce bricks off of his head.
Re the previous thread, there is a disturbing quote from Keller:
"I'm sorry to be unhelpful on this one, but Judy faces a serious danger of being sent to jail for protecting a confidential source," Keller told me in an e-mail message. "I think this is not the time to be drawn into unrelated public discussions of Judy."
Anybody else find this a problem?
Good for anyone who can actually stand to watch that shit. It's just a parade of liars and morons. I'll sleep in...
I've been doing that for at least a year now and it's improved my blood pressure considerably.
Who wants to curdle their milk with fucking Rummy's face on your TV on a sunday morning?
Yeah but no one for our party is worth hearing from...
Our talking points just don't work, folks. (on the tele)
Teddy should grab this press baton and bludgon Russert with it particularly if Rummy preceeds him with 15 minutes of Timmy butterfly kisses capped with a hearty chuckle over the Superbowl.
I'd like Teddy to pick up a real baton and beat Timmy about the head and shoulders just on general principal.
Ba'al, yes, I found that disturbing. Now where did I put my superpowers?
I'm sorry to be unhelpful on this one, but Judy faces a serious danger of being sent to jail for protecting a confidential source
That's hardly newsworthy, is it? Why should Americans talk about a reporter who may be involved in a possible gov't scandal when we can keep talking about Clinton's blowjobs?
Our talking points just don't work, folks. (on the tele)
Oh shut up.
How can they work if they're continually drowned out by a cacophony of mewling republican asswipes?
Good Lord do I pine for the good old days when Sunday Morning for me meant making fun of Davy and Goliath. Today's children have wall-to-wall, all-network Rummy. Years from now, therapists will be raking it in.
I feel dirty after reading most Times stories.
Poor Judy, I hear she's as allergic to license plate paint as she is to honesty.
Who does Okrent think he's kidding...the thump I heard was one of us falling off the turnip truck.
Forgot my < /snark> there....
I think this is not the time to be drawn into unrelated public discussions of Judy."
If not now,when?
If not her,who?
And the corporate media is not for the merkan people.They are whores shilling for the junta that is dead set on destroying all that is good in this world.
I so fucking hate the times we live in.
I'm sorry to be unhelpful on this one, but Judy faces a serious danger of being sent to jail for protecting a confidential source
Normally I'm all for reporters protecting sources... in her case I want to see her in the slammer.
Just because.
Yeah but no one for our party is worth hearing from...
Our talking points just don't work, folks. (on the tele)
t's just a poli-celebrity orgy, as far as I can tell.
These media-politcal scum are literally fucking each others' wives and husbands after the cocktail parties they hobnob at. They're all Totally Kool Kids! BFFE! with each other: Carville and his wife Clownface, Greenspan and Mitchell, Dowd and the Washington Redskins offensive line, etc...
Forget Jennifer and Brad. Let's hear all about Judy and Ahmed.
As a Democrat-born and bred and sticking there in honor of the checks and balances of the 2 party system, but willing to not vote if I don’t agree with my party-I simply cannot understand the tired rhetoric that keeps coming from my side. Why can we not embrace what has been done and go from there? Why can we not talk about ideas that assure success in Iraq instead of taking situations and assigning blame? Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD)and demand discussions on intelligence reform? Instead of talking about elections being stolen, why not demand election reform (paper ballots) as a platform issue? Instead of trashing No Child Left Behind, why not talk of the obvious benefits of it (weeding out inadequate teachers) WHILE we talk of its limitations?
Old Media sound bytes are part of the disease, but they are only part of the problem.
We need to approach thought construction instead of vote getting on BOTH sides of the isle, but especially within my party. While DailyKos commenter troll, rant, crack jokes, complain, and talk about who is going to "stand up" for our party, I dream for the approaching day when leaders--including elected ones--will congregate and have valuable discussions on policy.
But it’s coming up.
Only Corky from "Life Goes On" believes there is a liberal bias
What's funny is a simple comparison between the SCLM and the Nat'l Enquirer.
The Enq makes money and has stayed in business for how many years writing about alien impregnation and Elvis sightings. But the MSM won't touch a gov't scandal, BushCo lies that are killing people faster than we can make new ones, and a shady lawyer giving the White House Tenant advice on the limits of what constitutes torture.
Lies about WMDs? Not really a story. 1500 dead soldiers in a fake war? Won't sell papers, son. Staged hug between dubiously involved women at the SOTU? Stop the presses, Jimmy, now That's a story!!
Who wants to curdle their milk with fucking Rummy's face on your TV on a sunday morning?
Hey, I got kids. Can't risk having them see that crap. Condi's voice alone stunts growth and causes spontaneous explosive diarrhea.
Dowd and the Washington Redskins offensive line, etc...
Ewwwwwww.....
Snivelling pustule of a president. Striped pyjamas too good for you.
Let's see...
No time to talk about Judy...
No time for the hidden Bush debate prompt story...
No time for Social Security facts...
But scads of time for Chalabi's fantasies, General Clark's troubling argyle sweater and, of course (horrors!) Judy Dean's extra troubling shag carpet and sandals.
Much of the news that's shaped to fit
We need to approach thought construction instead of vote getting on BOTH sides of the isle, but especially within my party.
Shut the fuck up, asshole.
Condi's voice alone stunts growth and causes spontaneous explosive diarrhea.
You forgot to mention the mental trauma the poor little tykes would suffer from seeing her hairdo.
Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD)and demand discussions on intelligence reform? Instead of talking about elections being stolen, why not demand election reform (paper ballots) as a platform issue? Instead of trashing No Child Left Behind, why not talk of the obvious benefits of it (weeding out inadequate teachers) WHILE we talk of its limitations?
Because you fucking cockroach, I'm not willing to whore my principles for making ignorant, aploitical centrists feel better about themselves and their piss-poor voting record.
I'm not going to take repug talking points and make fucking lemonade. Their platform is worthless and offers nothing that advances america or its ideals, and they have repeatedly shown that they're unwilling to work with us as equals. and while you may be comfortable being cheney's bitch, I'm not.
Condi's voice alone stunts growth and causes spontaneous explosive diarrhea.
I always wondered at the correlation between Condi's appearances and the volumes of sludge measured at local treatment facilities.
Rummy's voice has been known to cause spontaneous outbreaks of boils and virulent dandruff.
Of course Liddy Dole finds that attractive, which is another problem in itself.
Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD)..
Uhhh... Newsflash, son.
We were lied into this war.
And FWIW this isn't Kos, silly boy.
And Cheney is so frightening that birds fall dead from the sky.
Carville and his wife Clownface
Hey don't insult Clowndom with a comparison to that hideous mess ol' sad, sexually inhibited Carville had the misfortune to mate!
Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD)and demand discussions on intelligence reform?
because that would be a lie, son.
care to share any other fibs that allow you to sleep at night?
Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD)..
Pull your head out of your ass- obviously your brain isn't getting enough oxygen.
If
first_words
value="As a Democrat-born and bred"
then
value=concerned troll
Bush, you loping maggoty simian, shitstain on our country.
care to share any other fibs that allow you to sleep at night?
Awww, he's just trying to get enough troll points to earn that super neato GOP cooler with the kung fu grip.
Sorry asswipe, we're not going to help you.
As a Democrat-born and bred
Never heard THAT one before... sigh. Let's see, where's that form.... oh yes, here: Standard Parodic Response to "Concerned" Troll, "Democratic Voter" Subspecies:
Dear Penthouse. I am a lifelong Democrat from a small Midwestern town. I never believed the stuff you publish in your Letters, until last week, when Liddy Dole gave me a lesson on how to get along by goin' down I'll NEVER forget!
Awww, he's just trying to get enough troll points to earn that super neato GOP cooler with the kung fu grip.
I hear liddy dole has a kung fu grip ...
sorry bebe ...
walkign away ...
No hard feelings, thersites. Its not meant to be negative.
OT
Nads..Are you by any chance a Rhode Island School of Design student or grad? RISD students are the NADS and get a HUGE kick out of attending their sporting events and yelling, GO NADS!!"
Awww, he's just trying to get enough troll points to earn that super neato GOP cooler with the kung fu grip.
You mean they're not still giving out the Trailer Trash Barbies?
You forgot to mention the mental trauma the poor little tykes would suffer from seeing her hairdo.
And the hideous clown makeup.
Old Hat, that's the latest tactic of the astro-trolls.
Go to progressive sites and pretend to be concerned democrats who want to help us reform "before it's too late."
They're not fooling anyone.
OT, I was at the gym earlier and one of the TVs had Capital Gang on.... they were discussing Howard Dean becoming Dem Chairman. Novakula looked like he had a severe case of heartburn, which made my evening.
Wayyyy OT:
Anybody notice that half the goddamn movie trailers on TV now are for horror flicks?
Maybe a manifestation of our current times?
RISD students are the NADS and get a HUGE kick out of attending their sporting events and yelling, GO NADS!!"
susan
No, I'm in LA. But when I do anything competitive, my posse does in fact yell GO NADS!!!
Nads is a contraction of my given name.
you prevaricate on the talks shows you have, not on the ones you want to have.
can I explain away $200 billion dollars pissed away into the sand? no. can I account for the abrogation of the Constitutional protections we have historically offered prisoners of war? no. these are not the things the American people want me to prevaricate about, nor should they. the bigger question is how we can, in a manner most expeditous to the electoral needs of all our partners, turn over the current quagmire to our allies in the Iraq security forces, withdraw to our hardened bases, and await for the forces of freedom to tell us when is best to move east on those unelected mullahs who foment terror and oppress their own people and are, as our intelligence tells us, even as we speak preparing to assemble nuclear weapons. the Iraqi people can not, and must not, fall prey to nuclear blackmail from their neighbors.....
fucking bobbleheads.
Kevin Shelley, another example of our domination.
Halliburton aka Organized Crime
Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD)and demand discussions on intelligence reform?
Well, first of all, it's easier to go to war than admit mistakes. Secondly, it's easier to go to war than admit mistakes. And thirdly, it's easier to spend $200 billion bombing shit than try to revamp an intelligence organization. Jeebus, can you imagine the overtime involved?
You mean they're not still giving out the Trailer Trash Barbies?
They ran out.
I hear they've come out with a new sex toy though- it's a lifesized replica of Karl Rove's dick (meaning it's about 3 inches long). So's they can get lots of practice.
Whats even funnier is how many times I will be told that I'm an asshole, etc., by people of my own party.
But, whatever.
Keep on truckin. :/
Novakula looked like he had a severe case of heartburn, which made my evening.
fourlegsgood |
Novak has no internal organs, just a heap of rusty nails and broken glass held together by rotting organic fibers.
...But it’s coming up.
Josh Kinniard
Ah, a member of the Republican wing of the Democratic Party.
Nope, my mistake. Just another fucking gourdhead troll.
Fuck Judy, what about Bob? How come he isn't threatened with jail. Everyone knows that, for certian, he know the fucking leaker. Something stinks.
NADS, Thanks!
Everyone knows that, for certian, he know the fucking leaker. Something stinks.
That would be his putrescent corpse.
Or else Liddy Dole's love muffin.
Wayyyy OT:
Anybody notice that half the goddamn movie trailers on TV now are for horror flicks?
Maybe a manifestation of our current times?
I worked in a Hollywood movie studio for a few years.
Fun fact: Movie producers know in poor economic times, horror movies but especially zombie movies do better. In good economic times, science fiction movies do better.
Er, guys, im Democrat Tennessee Technological Democratic Party, to be exact.
I don't like the Republican agenda anymore than anyone else.
But I damn sure dont like seeing my side use the same defeated rhetoric over things they cannot change to begin with.
Do bad speeches piss me off on tv? Am I willing to say what I want? Yes.
But we arent going to get anyone put in jail. The Administration will get away with any possible foul play.
So we might as well focus on workplace privacy, marijuana legalization, education reform, and the like.
Fuck Judy, what about Bob?
There's always the possibility he's already spilled his guts.
Something stinks.
That would be Novak.
science fiction movies do better.
So I guess the new Star Wars movie, comming out in May, is going to tank then?
How IS that Plame grand jury going along?
Just wandering by to get another Pale Ale.
Whats even funnier is how many times I will be told that I'm an asshole, etc., by people of my own party.
Is the States Rights Party still fielding candidates? go figure.
Ack, well I know I signed off already, but my brain started itchin' to add one more thing to the thread below, and it seems that we're still kinda on that stuff in this thread, and this thread itself is pertinent to what I wanted to say anyway, too, so here's it-
I wrote:
How could one election, the effects of which are to be judged only a couple days after-the-fact, by itself, prove President Bush right on Iraq? Encouraging that sort of fifth-grade thinking that doesn't address any pertinent points or issues that have any bearing on anything- setting an example like that for a nation-wide audience-
that's a real crime.
Well, I think we all pretty much agree that the Times isn't really that great. But do you know what would make it great?
What "goes to" (as we lawyer-types say) the issue of the Times' value as a news source-
Why won't Okrent just go and (in passing, of course, since it's not pertinent to the main point of his piece) spell out why what Matthews was doing with that remark about the elections was wrong, like I did. Okrent obviously recognizes it, but why doesn't he be overt about it? Shed some light on this stuff. Set a higher standard for guys like Matthews to have to live up to.
No hard feelings, thersites. Its not meant to be negative.
As someone who actually IS a real Democrat, piss off. Make compromises with the enemy, you're a traitor. It's the people on the ground, the fighters, who gained ground for us in November in local and state elections. It was the compromisers and the weaklings who lost it nationally.
We are better off without you.
Assuming you're for real, which I kinda doubt...
Hey Caleeeefornia, now I get to appoint a new SoS who will ok Diebold machines for 2006 and beyond. So watch Caleeeeefornia to turn red for Jebbie in 2008.....Thanks.. Musclehead.
So we might as well focus on workplace privacy, marijuana legalization, education reform, and the like.
And just forget about things like torture and dismantleing the social saftey net?
Alright,if the dems say so,I guess thats what we have to do.........Over my dead body!
because that would be a lie, son.
Hey, prove it. There lies the problem.
So we might as well focus on workplace privacy, marijuana legalization, education reform, and the like.
Josh Kinniard
even if he is for real, DINOs like him and his kind would ensure our loss for years to come.
fuck dude ... I'm in medicine, and marijuana isn't high on my list of priorities for the dems right now.
How IS that Plame grand jury going along?
Just wandering by to get another Pale Ale.
Has anyone been following the ongoing Plame/Jeff Gannon/Talon News investigation thing over at Kos? It's pretty farking amazing.
At this point, it would be hard to "compromise" even to giving the time of day to a Republican.
Also, I'm going to start a new blog-
I haven't posted anything yet, but I'm probably going to shoot for about one well-done post each evening (introduce a little more structure into my life), although I'm sure it will come out to be a little less than that, because I am just way too busy and behind on stuff I have to do.
aquietevening.blogspot.com
(of course!)
So, please check it out if you'd like sometime, and I will see ya all here in Eschatonia as I have time to stop by here & make my little cameo-appearances.
'Night, all.
~~~~Swan
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thanks old hat I'll go read.
There is nothing so wrong with America that it can't be fixed by what is right with America William Jefferson Clinton
Until about 2 years ago, I believed that. America has always rebounded, proving herself to be a country of great people and great ideas.
In my humble opinion, BushCo is sending this country first to its knees, then to its grave.
Do you blame Democrats for not wanting to be on the Sunday shows? They will have to defend the coronation of Howard Dean as DNC chief, being against the successful Iraqi elections, having no plan for Social Security, and Harry Reid's ridiculous speech about skateboarding kids looking up to him as a response to "unelectable" George W. Bush's State of the Union speech. Damn that is depressing. It's a wonder that more Democrats aren't performing retroactive abortions on themselves.
As someone who actually IS a real Democrat, piss off. Make compromises with the enemy, you're a traitor. It's the people on the ground, the fighters, who gained ground for us in November in local and state elections. It was the compromisers and the weaklings who lost it nationally.
Gay.
And yes, real deal.
The personal attacks, man. I just can't get it.
Whatever happen to election reform?
Why can we not explain to the people that the Administration has limited access to the control of their intelligence information (thus explaining the WMD).
Nobody who seriously believes this is too stupid to live, much less belong to any party I want to be part of.
OT, but I'm sure this will be welcome.
Here's some Saturday Night Wild Kitty blogging.
These are some kitties even Thersites would like.
Old Hat, I was checking that out earlier. I missed the previous diaries but it looks to me like "Call Me" Jeff Gannon is going to bring up a lot of ugliness for BushCo and the rest of the media. I think someone's going to tumble on this one. I wonder who the patsy will be?
Hey, prove it. There lies the problem.
Josh Kinniard
within three days of colin powell's purjury before the UN assembly, it was revealed that large swaths of his presentation were taken from a 12 year old dissertation, and in no way reflected iraq's abilities regarding wmds in 2002.
throughout the leadup to war, there were CONTINUAL but minor news reports of CIA officials unwilling to vette the intelligence that the liars in the admin were using to sell suckers like you into invading.
within days of 9/11, the bush whores were trying to link saddam and 9/11 by any means necessary.
You are either willfully deceiving yourself, purposefully dishonest, or pretty fucking dumb to not see through the charade. we were lied into war -- believe it, loser.
... and it takes some fucking nerve to ask ME to prove bushco lied when you sluts weren't HALF so tough on making HIM prove his threadbare case for war. I guess we couldn't start killing the sand niggers fast enough for you.
Gay.
And yes, real deal.
The personal attacks, man. I just can't get it.
This guy is farkin' hilarious!
Oh, right- just one more idea I had-
If Dems politicians and commentators are having trouble getting booked on mainstream media, then maybe slightly more-alternative media outlets should start approaching them & seeing if they're open to doing interviews. If these prominent liberals end up attracting the audience, it could end up blowing something up into the liberal counterpart to Fake News Channel. Something successful.
For example, Atrios should start inviting politicians to come on down & hang out on the threads sometime. I think that would be a really great idea.
Alright, now I'm really gone for good.
Later gators!
~~~~Swan
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Gay.
Josh Kinniard
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Ok, "gay" as a phrase of dismissal or insult is both middle school and homophobic. Which means:
You are very sad and pathetic.
Nobody who seriously believes this is too stupid to live, much less belong to any party I want to be part of.
I think you meant anyone who believes this...
I do like those kitties, 4Legs!
We dig our wildlife, even if my allergies won't allow pets. My son & I had a lot of fun this afternoon following rabbit tracks in the snow. e found the tree they live under, and he was excited as anything.
For example, Atrios should start inviting politicians to come on down & hang out on the threads sometime. I think that would be a really great idea.
Barbara Boxer's staff hangs out on DailyKos. Simon Rosenberg from the New Democratic Network posts there, too.
I think you meant anyone who believes this...
BLOGK!
I did...
Hey Schwa, talk to us later, like in about 6 months or less about the fucking successful "elections" you dumb fuck.
Please go look at the cute baby cheetah pictures.
I swear it'll make you forget about trolls for a least a few seconds.
One election does not make a free and democratic society. Especially when the votes go the wrong way and support a pro-Iran leader instead of a pro-America leader. Unless that's part of the plan to invade Iran... ???
I'm sorry, Scwa?, you were saying about the SOTU and how Bush's words feed the hungry and provide jobs to the needy?
For example, Atrios should start inviting politicians to come on down & hang out on the threads sometime. I think that would be a really great idea.
The collective guts and brainpower of the DKos kids puts the NYT to shame. I'll think they'll find something.
But will the media whores pick it up or will it just go over to Salon and die with a whimper?
Josh Marshall really needs to get on this Gannon angle...
Oh, what a wonderful picture! Looks like Madonna and child to me.
I have known people who were in desert storm, and they talked up finding hundreds of barrels of poison out in the desert. It was a common thing. I believe that we have been tricked as to how much "WMD" we really knew he had. Therefore the "trick" has been going on for some time now.
The weapons inspectors said that Saddam was missing some of the chemicals he should have had. There was no good explanation. He had cheated.
Bush used scare tactics to go to war. He also flipped flopped in the UN. But the UN is the = to the "Articles of Confederation:" A system that is not functionable at the top to do what it was intended to do--take care of future Hitler types.
Clinton agreed with the invasion and the necessity to deal with Saddam. Hell, he bombed him all the time.
You will never hear me call anyone a loser.
yeah old hat, it amazes me to watch the kossacks do, in their spare time, what "the media" should already have done. the thug gets White House press credentials 4 days after his "news" organization registers its web domain?
but the question then becomes, how different, really, are Judith Miller and "Jeff Gannon" when it comes to news management. a matter of degree, not of kind, methinks, in our Brave New Bobblehead World.
fucking bobbleheads.
I meant to quote this:
I missed the previous diaries but it looks to me like "Call Me" Jeff Gannon is going to bring up a lot of ugliness for BushCo and the rest of the media. I think someone's going to tumble on this one. I wonder who the patsy will be?
Not in the way of "gay" as in "gay." Gay as in sad. I date a bi-sexual girl. I have gay friends.
I have a feeling it's wider and deeper than you see on the kos diaries, Old Hat. I've also seen it on mulitple blogs, so it's not just the kossacks. And don't think for a minute that MSMtype folks aren't hearing about this.
What will be really fun is when it hits The Daily Show.
My son & I had a lot of fun this afternoon following rabbit tracks in the snow. e found the tree they live under, and he was excited as anything.
Oh, how fun. I love bunnies, there's something hilarious about them.
More parents should spent time outdoors with their kids instead of parking them in front of the TV.
fourlegsgood,
Have you ever seen a Savannah Cat?
Beautiful critters.
Not in the way of "gay" as in "gay." Gay as in sad. I date a bi-sexual girl. I have gay friends.
Did your mother have any kids that lived?
Not in the way of "gay" as in "gay." Gay as in sad. I date a bi-sexual girl. I have gay friends.
Some of my best friends are niggers.
Really, these cheetahs are impossibly cute.
Do you blame Democrats for not wanting to be on the Sunday shows? They will have to defend the coronation of Howard Dean as DNC chief,
'Coronation' is best applied to your apparent hero, Preznit Asswipe. And, furthermore, installing Dean as DNC chair is not something that has to be "defended"--it is an action undertaken by members of the Democratic party. DNC chair is not a public office.
being against the successful Iraqi elections
The Iraqi elections are irrelevant. Anyone can print up sheets of paper, or whatever, and have people check off choices and put the sheets of paper in the box. The real issue is the inability of the "coalition of the willing" to bring real stability to Iraq so that truly democratic procedures could find root in a workable civil society. I hope you enjoyed your PR stunt.
having no plan for Social Security
Plan? Hands off, cretin.
Schwa? --> sucks
I hate terminology anyways. Its part of the problem. Everyone is a little gay, they may not sleep with someone of the same sex, but they dont mind the idea sa bad as they put on, I bet.
The idea that "gay" is a word for someone who decides to love someone of their same sex is, well, a "gay" thing, like calling black people niggers back in the day. Or the words "liberal" and "conservative."
Its part of the problem.
And why we lose some votes.
I can't believe that people still watch these shows, anyway
Me either. What kind of ratings do they all get, anyway? How many dozens are watching when Tweety, uh...tweets?
Spoilsport above who mentioned the patsy who will fall.
From the Kos Plamelink Timeline II "Oct. 1, 2003 - Senator Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) Says that Bush needs to be proactive: "He has that main responsibility to see this through and see it through quickly, and that would include, if I was president, sitting down with my vice president and asking what he knows about it" ("Capital Report," CNBC, Oct. 1, 2003)
May I just say it would please me greatly if Mr. Cheney burned in hell, or at least did jail time.
CS, that is a beautiful cat.
My favorite pic of the cubs is the last one, where you see his little furry butt as he walks away. And the stripey tail.
Not in the way of "gay" as in "gay." Gay as in sad. I date a bi-sexual girl. I have gay friends.
Josh Kinniard |
"Gay" as in "sad"? You are one of the greatest menaces to the use of English I've encountered in a while.
Oh, when I say your "great" that's "great" as in "stupid piece of meat."
You're GREAT.
Josh Kinniard = Pat Ryan
More parents should spent time outdoors with their kids instead of parking them in front of the TV.
Well, we do watch TV... after that Dobson thing, I've become a HUGE SpongeBob fan. SpongeBob actually is pretty freaking cool.
Your = you're (I can be a mild little menace myself)
Bob Slocum: good point.
But its just the culture Im apart of.
Here's some Saturday Night Wild Kitty blogging.
These are some kitties even Thersites would like.
fourlegsgood | Email | Homepage | 02.05.05 - 11:32 pm | #
That was a lot of fun. Those cheetah babies have such expressive faces.
FLG,
I love Cheetahs.
Did you know that Amanda Blake (Miss Kitty) was one of the first people to start captive breeding programs to help save them from extinction?
Bush used scare tactics to go to war. He also flipped flopped in the UN. But the UN is the = to the "Articles of Confederation:" A system that is not functionable at the top to do what it was intended to do--take care of future Hitler types.
Clinton agreed with the invasion and the necessity to deal with Saddam. Hell, he bombed him all the time.
You will never hear me call anyone a loser.
Josh Kinniard
the fuck do I care what clinton said or did wrt iraq. bush was supposed to be prez, he heard what the cia told him, didn't like it, and suddenly the cia starts saying something more to his liking. whores like condi, rummy, and powell played their part, and otherwise respectable people fell for the dog and pony trick.
do not sit there with your thumb up your ass and tell me to forgive and forget. 100,000 civilians have been killed because of these lies. 100,000 civilians have been killed in a re-invasion of a country to remove a dictator who we armed and supported in the first place.
I spit on your "morality."
SpongeBob actually is pretty freaking cool.
And he lives in a pineapple under the sea, just like you do!!
What are the odds?
Who is Pat Ryan?
those idiots outed a CIA agent. don't we have laws about that sort of thing?
those idiots approved torture, gangbanging the Constitution,
transferred wealth,
etc
don't we have laws about this sort of thing?
Schwa? -
Remember the lotion game?
That was fun.
Rub it . . . rub it out . . . repeat!
"halostation"?
obfuscation
retaliation?
termination
democratization?
masturbation
.
Josh, you may want to consider the possibility that you're just really, really stupid. (Hint: you are.)
If you like, I can provide you with a list of estblishments where you can go test your "gay" and "nigger" linguistic theories. Go to those places. Ask a friend to bring along a little baggie an hour later to give your folks something to bury.
Spoilsport? Heyyyy now... lol But I'm sure that some lower level Crisis Factory employee will be sacked over the Gannon revelation.
Say, cgreen, are you the same person who posted the "I believe" comment about Pete's and Nevada Pale?
Who is Josh Kinnaird?
CS, no, I didn't know that.
Hey guys, Schwa? is upset cause Dean is going to be head of the Democratic Party.
Oh boo-hoo!! don't be throwing us in that briar patch!!
Josh,
please keep to the script, okay?
do not sit there with your thumb up your ass and tell me to forgive and forget
Of course not. There have been foreign policy happenings--traded with the soviets, trading with the chinese, invading afghanistan, building saudi arabia etc. etc. etc.--that i regret for the bad predicaments they have put us in.
But you wont see me or anyone else bitch about it on tv.
We need to readjust what we wish to offer to america in the form of legislation.
Like election reform.
it is a light saturday night. kicking back and watching leni's triumph of the will.
george is a boy from brazil.
Here are the cats I think are sweet. Sand cats
Schwa? !
Now talk about puttin' the "Log" in Log Cabin Rebublicans.
Of course not. There have been foreign policy happenings--traded with the soviets, trading with the chinese, invading afghanistan, building saudi arabia etc. etc. etc.--that i regret for the bad predicaments they have put us in.
Like 2 planes into the side of a building??? Those kind of rpedicaments???
But you wont see me or anyone else bitch about it on tv.
and THAT is why dems lose ... you loser.
Here are the cats I think are sweet. Sand cats
oldwhitelady€
I think they're sayin':
"Leave me alone, its nap time."
george is a boy from brazil.
albertchampion
Not genetically, but ideologically I would assume.
The thing about the Kos diary is it reminds me of just how long this fiasco has been going on.
Going into its third year and we are still no closer to having justice displayed.
Of course with a corrupt administration,what else can we expect.It pisses me off that if the shoe were on the other foot.There would be a whole boat load of people n shackles and have their lives destroyed,even if they were innocent.
We are in a state of decay and most people want to look the other way.
And he lives in a pineapple under the sea, just like you do!!
Hee hee.
I'm all about SpongeBob, these days.
The movie was pretty funny, actually. In the end, it's pretty amoral and chaotic, like all really good children's entertainment should be.
Ripley, no.
This is Boulevard Pale Ale, make that was.
They make an Irish Ale (dark) supposed to be better for you but some nights are not about what's better for you, you know?
which Pete's? "Wicked?"
There have been foreign policy happenings
Keep the happenings happening, Josh. Everyone knows "elections" equal success. LBJ thought so too. Election Reform, you and I are on the same page.
Here's what I'd like to see: A Congress that can think for itself, reflects on the status of real humans instead of money, and votes with its conscience and some cognizance that America is a group of people, not bank accounts.
Lately, Congress and BushCo are turning the American Dream into the American Sick Joke. Ashcroft?Gonzales? Rice? Tom De Lay? What the fuck? Next it'll be Ken Lay as Chairman of the Federal Reserve!
it is a light saturday night. kicking back and watching leni's triumph of the will.
george is a boy from brazil.
albertchampion
We are in a state of decay and most people want to look the other way.
smalfish
Must you all rhyme?!
Daily "SCREW THE AMERICAN MOTHER-FUCKERS IN IRAQ'S ASSES" Kos...
Get a better source, Duncan.
smalfish I think that was my overall impression from my impaired reading of it--time passing and nothing happening. At least that we know of.
Daily "SCREW THE AMERICAN MOTHER-FUCKERS IN IRAQ'S ASSES" Kos...
Get a better source, Duncan.
Josh, you may want to consider the possibility that you're just really, really stupid. (Hint: you are.)
Man. Tough crowd.
I promise never to use the word "gay" again to refer to anything. Or the word liberal. Or conservative. Or left wing. Or right wing.
And to anyone that was offended from my use of the word gay, I apologize. Sweet God, I don't hate anyone for their preferences.
I also think that marriage should be taken out of government law codes---if you want to get married, do it at a church---for government purposes, you should just have a civil union.
That thinking will help us win that argument.
yes smalfish, you have seen the truth.
I have to go watch sideways now, josh. I won't be around to respond to your innanities, and seeing as how most of the other regulars know better than to engage the "concerned dem" troll, it falls to me to tell you to go fuck yourself as the doorknob lodges itself in your bunghole on the way out.
Daily "SCREW THE AMERICAN MOTHER-FUCKERS IN IRAQ'S ASSES" Kos...
Get a better source, Duncan.
Daily "SCREW THE AMERICAN MOTHER-FUCKERS IN IRAQ'S ASSES" Kos...
Get a better source, Duncan.
Get a better source, Duncan.
"John F. Kerry"-troll
Hola, ass!
Sorry, Kos doesn't cut it with me, Duncan.
My name is Kevin.
Let's "dance"....
And Freep K joins the fray with its usual arsenal of wit and civility.
To clarify:
Get a better source, Duncan.
"John F. Kerry"-troll
Hola, ass!
Gourdhead.
why does john kerry troll support mercenaries over our own troops?? wingers are fucked up....
and THAT is why dems lose ... you loser.
what is in the past is in the past...if we tried to educate people about what has happened...on television...people would think that we are trying to start revolutions and it would be "unamerican."
Sound bytes do not allow us the time.
Instead of bitching, we should focus on legislation construction.
Sell the pitch. And then make it happen.
RE: that asshole Jonah Goldberg, Kos is
Liberal media, my big hairy balls.
Ok, I guess Duncan is not around.
Everyone have a great night and a better tomorrow.
Blow me.
I think they're sayin':
"Leave me alone, its nap time."
Bob Slocum | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 12:00 am | #
I've seen the same expression on my cats. I think you're right.
it falls to me to tell you to go fuck yourself as the doorknob lodges itself in your bunghole on the way out.
man.
BLOGK you, haloscan!
Kos is exactly right
Here's the deal -- a war is worth fighting if you would sacrifice everything you hold dear to fight it.
A war is not worth fighting, if you'd rather maintain your cushy lifestyle and let others do the dying for you, let other families lose their mothers and fathers and spouses and children.
It's that simple."
No leader worth following EVER asks someone to do something he would never do himself.
Must you all rhyme?!
Are you having a good time?
what is in the past is in the past...if we tried to educate people about what has happened...on television...people would think that we are trying to start revolutions and it would be "unamerican."
Sound bytes do not allow us the time.
Instead of bitching, we should focus on legislation construction.
Sell the pitch. And then make it happen.
Josh Kinniard
Look Kinniard, I am hardly a regular here, but you seem to believe that this is some kind of thinktank for the Democratic party. Would that it were, given the amount of intelligence I've seen displayed here.
People come here to vent and complain and organize and develop "memes" (I fucking hate that "word") and make friends and all manner of things.
Instead of bitching, we should focus on legislation construction.
In what legislature?
The problem, son, is that you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about...
Must you all rhyme?!
Are you having a good time?
Eli
In fact, I feel like I am in my prime.
And spread knowledge about corrupt Republicans, don't forget that, Bob.
Damn, I hate those corrupt Republicans. Did I say Fuck BushCo yet?
Must you all rhyme?!
Are you having a good time?
I dont know,is it yet quarter past nine?
"Blow me."
There would have to be something to blow.
I'm kind of entertained by Josh, he seems to be sincere, and I'll just leave it at that.
oldwhitelady, sand cats are cute too.
All trolls everywhere, go fuck yourselves with a rusty chainsaw.
I hope Spongebob pisses on your graves too.
When I retire, I won't have a dime.
People come here to vent and complain and organize and develop "memes" (I fucking hate that "word") and make friends and all manner of things.
And fucking swear.
I come here to hug trees. It makes me feel good about myself, as a revolutionary. I ♥ trees. and the smell of the losers napalm in the morning. I ♥ that too.
When I retire, I won't have a dime.
Ripley
That's a damn crime.
Must you all rhyme?!
Are you having a good time?
I dont know,is it yet quarter past nine?
Good thing I'm not a mime!
Bob Slocum: I am a believer in the idea that all in the party are part of the think tank.
Would that it were, given the amount of intelligence I've seen displayed here.
grin
I did not get to follow rabbits today---I attended my small son's cub scout banquet which had theme of celebrating our troops and each den was one branch of the services. My small boy was a Navy captain in a skit about signalling a lighthouse to turn aside from the flagship and the lighthouse signals back it's a lighthouse. The others were glorifications of their branch, quite nicely done (the Air Force did a really cool flyover and then a Stealth along a string through darkened room) but it was all so grim in view of the war and wars to come of this administration. My son has been immunized to all the militarism--his older brother's friend is in Iraq, and he knew enough to scoff at the table decoration of presidents that included George W. Bush.
Must you all rhyme?!
Are you having a good time?
Eli
Hey, it's your dime.
Just don't conjure the Rickey Lime...
He'll reduce your wit to slime.
Blow me.
Go fuck yourself sideways, coward. Kos wore the uniform and served his (adopted) country honorably.
You, on the other hand, are an attention-starved little twit.
Just like the rest of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists -- repressed, infantile, hypocritical little punks.
In fact, I feel like I am in my prime.
That's because you are not republican slime.
Hey, since the room's not crowded, can I blogwhore? It's the homepage - and yes, I DO have slightly more shame than a Jehovah's Witness Amway rep, thank you very much.
hey, I just won Brigg's Mr. and Mrs. on eBay. I am one happy comics geek. I ♥ Briggs.
smalfish, how goes the battle? talk to a barrister yet?
But just so you know I'm not full of myself.... you'd think after the number of beers I've drunk in my life I wouldn't spill when I take a sip. But noooooooo.... yeesh...
Russert's going to be a god damn asshole this morning
That's because you are not republican slime.
Not healthy in this clime.
I'm kind of entertained by Josh, he seems to be sincere, and I'll just leave it at that.
Another Bruce
===
His point about the gov't only dealing with civil unions and leaving "marriage" to churches, etc., is a good one. I have a devout Catholic friend who said that she was very much in favor of that idea. She volunteered it all by herself. But she is a good Catholic and recognizes the humanity of all of us.
In what legislature?
Thersites: all of them.
Another Bruce: thank you.
Secondary ed. History/political science teacher.
I come here to remind everyone that chimpy is a blight on humanity and that I hate him.
And to look at kitties.
In fact, I feel like I am in my prime.
That's because you are not republican slime.
fourlegsgood
Though a Libertarian in my youth I came to a more progressive outlook after a long climb.
Not healthy in this clime.
To join in this rhyme, I think I'll decline.
Test, to see the time stamp... either something's REALLY strange or Haloscan's running on Central time right now.
Secondary ed. History/political science teacher.
Holy shit!
No wonder are kids aren't learning.
I like the layout on Moose Lips. and the content too, of course, but I am sick to death of seeing text bracketed by links. call me crazy...
(end non-blogger design critique)
I did not get to follow rabbits today---I attended my small son's cub scout banquet which had theme of celebrating our troops and each den was one branch of the services.
I quit the Scouts at 13, when I figured out that the brown shirts we wore and the hazing and the ranks and homophobia/homoeroticism and the "patriotism" and obsession with firearms was all proto-wingnut horseshit.
There's a bill before Congress to repeal the death tax and one about the marriage penalty.
Oh, and two bills to amend the Constitution re: abortion and marriage. Marriage Protection Act - how fuckin paranoid is that? Talk about tinfoil....
"And to look at kitties..."
And boobies, too!
I also come here to get the latest Spongebob news.
To join in this rhyme, I think I'll decline.
Whine, whine, whine.
Yup, it's not quite 1:15 Eastern, and the time stamp on this is gonna be way off (from what I'm used to).
fourlegsgood: cmon, you dont even know me.
smalfish, how goes the battle? talk to a barrister yet?
I will be taking the day off on monday and will seek council then.I have been thoroughly convinced this is the proper course.
I got a letter today from the shark telling me he wanted us to get council as well.He also gave me the mane and adress of the "investor" who purchased (stole) my house.
The letter is dated Feb 1,and states in it that I have 180 days to get my property back.
This has been the only correspondence that has been stated in clear and concise language.If they had been this clear on any other writing,we would not have gotten this far into this fiasco.
Whine, whine, whine.
I thought it sublime.
Haloscan's running on Central time right now.
Haloscan is in another dimension that follows its own bizarre laws.
The laws of inept programming.
jfr, text bracketed by links? I'm not sure what you mean...??? I'm a newbie blogger.
Students arent learning because of bad teaching, lack of parental concern, and the college education program is not very up to par.
At least here in Tennessee.
my mom was a den mother
younger brother and I, Cub Scouts
couldn't get past the concept of intermediary stage [Weblo's}
never made it to Scouts proper
could never quite find
the proper meter.
cmon, you dont even know me.
Nor do I want to.
Sorry, but your words give you away.
In fact I have been true to thine.
Seems like Halo's about 12 minutes ahead of CST or so. It gave me a 503 error earlier. Silly HaloScan...
I thought it sublime.
In your own mind.
I think the Cub Scouts are just young male animals who like to play outside. The older boy scouts do things like suck raw eggs, (true story). I think for a 7 yr old it's a good time. After he figures out it's not going a direction he wants he can use his camping skills elsewhere.
I actually like Haloscan. It reminds me of posting on local BBSs from my C-128 with my 1440k modem back in the '80s...
Hey whoopsie!
In your own mind.
At the top of my spine.
In your own mind.
But, you know, if all about you are rhyming, and you are not so disposed, then you are in a bind.
Sorry, but your words give you away
I'm just honest. See, I even use my real name. I stand for what I believe.
I judge quickly sometimes. But I realize that its a bad habit.
This rhyming has got to stop...
At the top of my spine.
I have one on mine!
Haloscan is in another dimension that follows its own bizarre laws.
The laws of inept programming.
You called THAT, A. Bruce. I wonder what OTHER improvements they coded into the system earlier? This is weird -- according to the World Time Server, Haloscan's running 50 minutes ahead of Eastern time.
Secondary ed. History/political science teacher.
God help us all...
You really are one of the dumbest people I've ever seen on any of the internets. You are hilariously wrong on the WMD issue, and about as ignorant on policy & politics as a footstool. If you want to make a positive contribution, come back and let us tell you what to do. Other than that, get heavily interested in porn or cocaine or something, and pay no attention to politics. That would be the best way for you to serve your country.
tiring of leni's paean to ah.
i have diverted to a new chet cd.
recaptured from the 50's. entitled sextet.
one of the best things about this recapture is the valve trombone of bobby brookmeyer.
but the entie crew plays their hearts out...russ freeman, bud shank also.
if you dig that kind of music, this is a pretty good bit.
This rhyming has got to stop...
Another Bruce
So, you think it's a flop?
Back when I was a wee lad,I was a member of a very poor,very large family.A member of the cub scouts and had to sell their little candy things.
Well,being poor,I couldnt resist the temptation of all that candy being within my grasp.Most of what was to be sold went down the gullet.Yum!
Course' the regret went a long way toward healing me of that little pratice.
Ripley,
just commenting on how much I like the widescreen layout of Moose Lips. on an 8.5x11 page of paper one can fit, @, 80-90 characters. or 50-60, say the experts in legibility technique. defaulting to the blogosphere norm, one finds 3 colummns, with links/ads on either side of the actual (40-60 charcter wide) content. I just tend to prefer a wider line length/kerning , so just saying.
I learned a lot in Scouting - camping, first aid, astronomy, and crazy green beret killing methods.
Wait, that's not right - there was no astronomy. hehehe But I really did learn a lot. It's a shame that all kids aren't exposed to some of the good stuff when they're young. Nothing against soccer or anything but....
At the top of my spine.
I have one on mine!
Eli | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 12:31 am | #
I like rhyming just fine.
I like rhyming just fine.
Thank you, that's very kind.
I have one on mine!
Do you wear Calvin Klein?
Well, damnn! Out of the loop again...
This rhyming has got to stop...
Another Bruce
So, you think it's a flop?
Bob Slocum | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 12:32 am | #
or maybe, he's the comment cop.
This rhyming has got to stop...
Another Bruce
So, you think it's a flop?
But the next one's so over the top.
Therisites: heh.
I've bookmarked your homepage. I expect to see solid content.
WMD: another term, used for emphasis, like the word gay.
when i think of wmd, i think of nukes. saddam had no nukes. but he was like hitler, stalin, etc.
Your bickering, man...just seems like a waste of time to me.
Do you wear Calvin Klein?
Nicht, no, nein.
cgreen,
yes, exactly. cub scouts is all about play.
my mom let my bro and I become campers, climbers, canoeists, etc. we had a great "Outing Club" at the local HS, with a really great advisor/climber. get him into the Great Outdoors as quickly as possible. wilderness survival training, backpacking with pals, ie the original ethos of Scouting. before it became an official ideology.
But the next one's so over the top.
Still waiting for it to drop...
This rhyming has got to stop...
Another Bruce
So, you think it's a flop?
But the next one's so over the top.
smalfish |
When I sit on the toilet my mom loves to hear...
PLOP!
("Outing Club"? Must... resist...)
When I sit on the toilet my mom loves to hear...
PLOP!
Josh Kinniard | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 12:37 am | #
Oops, I was drinking soda pop.
another josh kinniard...how intar-resting.
Nicht, no, nein.
Are you sure you're not lyin'?
H-scan's off the clock,
Into bed I must hop.
For shuteye I pine,
But the eve's been divine.
Ahhh, gotcha, jfr. I thought you meant I* was bracketing text with links. I had a different layout but I don't like the squashed look for lots of text and I really have no desire for ads on the blog.
It's mostly an exercise in self-congratulatory snarking on my part. I prefer to counter the Uptight Right hypocrisy that I see out there rather than give people hard-fact reports based on hours of research.
shorter ripley: I'm lazy and snarky
Oops, I was drinking soda pop.
Dr. Pepper, or just slop?
I will be taking the day off on monday and will seek council then.I have been thoroughly convinced this is the proper course.
Yeah, paying for the lawyer now probably seems like another kick in the ass, but it will probably end uo saving you money in the long run.
When you meet your attorney, BTW, remember that you have no obligation to go with someone you don't like. Try to find someone recommended by a friend or someone you trust. Same as you'd do for a mechanic. And then learn everything you can -- ask about how the law works, make 'em explain it so it's clear. Get your money's worth.
Hell, you know this already. Hang tough. We'll get your back as best we can.
WMD: another term, used for emphasis, like the word gay.
Again, you illiterate, WMD has a clear use in the English language. It is not a term of emphasis, like, say, dickweed.
Oops, I was drinking soda pop.
And do you need a mop?
Students arent learning because of bad teaching, lack of parental concern, and the college education program is not very up to par.
Students are NOT learning? up there in Tennessee? maybe we could pass a law and bring the college education program up to par. youAPOSTROPHEre a "concerned Democrat" so what are you going to do about this shocking lack of par-ness?
Spilled slop, I guess I'll have to mop.
Josh, word of warning. You might consider yourself the big fish in your little pool, but now you're in the big pool.
Don't go there with Thersites. He'll embarrass you. Sorry, I have to agree with his assessment. You're woefully uninformed. Please continue reading, less talking.
Jinx on you Eli~
Bob Slocum: it sure does. like for scare tactics, and the like.
with:
weapons
mass
destruction
you can make: chemicals
....seem a lot nastier.
I went there with Thers once - couldn't walk for a week. Weird thing is, I don't even know where we went or what he did... scaaaaaary....
Are you sure you're not lyin'?
If I am, I'm not tryin'.
Josh needs to read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" about a thousand times.
Other than that, get heavily interested in porn or cocaine or something, and pay no attention to politics.
Now that's some sweet fatherly advice. I wish I had got advice like that, not that I needed it. (ahem) Actually we shouldn't be too harsh, Josh made some nice points about election reform. But Josh there are no "barrels in the desert" You don't think we would have heard about them? Even the administration admitted that the WMD story is a fiction, it quit looking for them. It does make you look stupid to try to believe this stuff.
It's like those insufferable Dr Scholl's comercials. "Are you gellin? Like a felon." I noticed they dropped that one, though.
Damn you, James Dobson, is there nothing we can say on TV?!?
Hahhahahah...
TIME: 9:34 p.m.
PLACE: [UNDISCLOSED Swiss Villa]
PERSONS OF INTEREST: Ahmed Chalabi, Judith Miller
MILLER (MI): Oh! Your are such a BIG man!
CHALABI (CH): Of course I am! My girth has only grown since Brem-Brem gave me these suitcases of cash!
MI: (Giggling) Oh, Ahmmy, I love it when you talk dirty like that!
CH: Look at all this money, Ju-ju!
MI: Wheeeeeee!
[SOUND OF PAPER RUSTLING, FLUTTERING THROUGH AIR CAN BE HEARD]
CH: Now come here to Ahmmy and play "intrepid girl reporter" again!
MI: (Giggles) [IN "LITTLE GIRL" VOICE] Oh... Mr. Chalabi, sir, what does an intrepid girl reporter have to do to get the scoop on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction?
CH: (Chortling) Heh-heh-heh. Well, little missy, come here to Master Chalabi and hold his microphone!
MI: (More giggling)
[NOTE: At this point grabled and gurgling sounds are heard followed by grunts and shouts. To be continued...]
Are you sure you're not lyin'?
If I am, I'm not tryin'.
The thing is,working for bush is one part plyin' and two parts dyin'.
Yep, no WMDs, just lots of buried stashes of hidden Democracy, just waiting to be brought to light to spread sweet Freedom all over the land.
Weapons of Mass Democracy!
Interesting. I've made myself ill...
ya Josh, knock yourself out.
Don't go there with Thersites. He'll embarrass you.
Not looking for "competitions" or "arguments" or can i be embarassed in discussions on the internet.
Are you sure you're not lyin'?
If I am, I'm not tryin'.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 12:44 am | #
It's been fun, but off to bed, I'd better be flyin'.
Here in my red state rumor constantly circulates they have found "bad stuff" in Iraq, so bad "they can't tell us." I shit you not.
If I am, I'm not tryin'.
Sheesh! Don't start cryin'.
Not looking for "competitions" or "arguments" or can i be embarassed in discussions on the internet.
Huzzah wha?
WMD: another term, used for emphasis, like the word gay.
when i think of wmd, i think of nukes. saddam had no nukes. but he was like hitler, stalin, etc.
I THINK that I shall never see
A blog as lovely as WMD.
WMD whose horny mouth is prest
Against the Ahmad Chalabi's flowing breast;
WMD that looks at God all day,
'Cept when James Dobson lifts his hairy palms to pray;
WMD that may in summer wear
A nest of dead Marines in her hair;
Upon whose bosoms Judy Miller's lain,
Who sucks like an empty sewage drain;
Shithead posts are made by fools like me,
But only Shrub can fake WMD.
Don't blame Josh too much though.. he WANTS to believe, just like the rest of America.
No one wants to admit they've been had.
Sheesh! Don't start cryin'.
My eyes are already dryin'.
So, anyone start a pool on when the new Toby Keith song for Iraq hits the charts?
Here's my prediction for a title:
America's Bitch Ain't No Slut
I haven't found any lyrics yet but I'll bet they'll be potent and McPatriotic.
jfrjfrjfr, 1946? and no progress yet. Maybe there is no evolution. /sardonic jest
But Josh there are no "barrels in the desert" You don't think we would have heard about them?
My reasoning that I had for the possiblility that we didnt hear about those in the desert back in the early nineties is that it would have made the first bush look bad for not taking out the bad guy.
But thats not really that important.
I personally would not have invaded Iraq--i would have called for global economic isolation and border control, only allow food into the country...and then if anyone actually did trade with iraq, just cut them off from all of our trade agreements.
but the invasion happened, and i am not willing to leave iraq without success....even if that means dividing up the country (iraq is a ww2 country in design that is a bizarre mix of cultures that generally dont get along too well)
Rule #6:
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
The idea that "gay" is a word for someone who decides to love someone of their same sex is, well, a "gay" thing, like calling black people niggers back in the day. Or the words "liberal" and "conservative."
Weapons of Mass Democracy!
Interesting. I've made myself ill...
Eli
It gave me a chill...
Sheesh! Don't start cryin'.
My eyes are already dryin'.
We're all so happy you've had your time!
I went there with Thers once - couldn't walk for a week. Weird thing is, I don't even know where we went or what he did... scaaaaaary....
Apparently I've played the thuggish Wayne Brady to Ripley's chagrined Dave Chapelle...
I'm going mcpatriotically off to sleep, against my will. Good night cheetahs, good night meter, good night Ripley (I won't have a penny to my name when I retire probably either.)
someone else turn the lights out please.
transplanted south-jersian living in jax. Eagles have landed.
We're all so happy you've had your time!
And now I'm just fine.
"No one wants to admit they've been had."
Nah, I know. And we didnt get any apologies. I lost all respect for them then.
Thing is Bush lied to the UN (he said he would suppport weapons inspector's decisions)---that shows that he is not fit for office.
Whether your a war hawk or not, i believe in the munich analogy. But being misleading on the international stage is unacceptable.
Even if your dealing with another bunch of liars.
Here's my prediction for a title:
America's Bitch Ain't No Slut
I haven't found any lyrics yet but I'll bet they'll be potent and McPatriotic.
Oh man...
Night too from mtemporary autonomous zone is properly accounted for. Go Patriots!
I personally would not have invaded Iraq--i would have called for global economic isolation and border control, only allow food into the country...and then if anyone actually did trade with iraq, just cut them off from all of our trade agreements.
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There were sanctions in Iraq. They did nothing but kill the innocent. If you are in favor of democracy then I suggest economic and political engagement. I have a pet theory about that. But, the sanctions on Iraq just killed, created black markets and corruption.
We're all so happy you've had your time!
And now I'm just fine.
Well is'nt that just devine.
but the invasion happened, and i am not willing to leave iraq without success...
Check out the lead story at the NYT website, whether or not Iraq has "success" is already out of our hands.
i am not willing to leave iraq without success....even if that means dividing up the country
Gosh Josh, that's mighty white of you.
Did you check that out with the Iraqi people first, or was that gonna be a surprise?
Whether your a war hawk or not, i believe in the munich analogy. But being misleading on the international stage is unacceptable.
Iddnit, though? Let 'em eat lead.
I haven't found any lyrics yet but I'll bet they'll be potent and McPatriotic.
Shelly Wright is the new Toby Keith.
Not as "in yer face" but just as digusting.
Whether your a war hawk or not, i believe in the munich analogy.
Dear Lord, don't pretend you know history...
Gosh Josh, that's mighty white of you.
Did you check that out with the Iraqi people first, or was that gonna be a surprise?
Mothafuckas is justkilling it tonight...
G'night, y'all.
Of course, if he wants a Grammy, it'll have to be a duet with Ashcroft. God, we can only hope...
i am not willing to leave iraq without success....
So what part of Iraq are you posting from?
jfrjfrjfr: my point: labeling anything with a single term helps the cause of making someone seem outcasted as not normal.
A very destructive habit.
Sorry must post these rules from Orwell, though I suspect many here are familiar with them:
1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
2. Never us a long word where a short one will do.
3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
Well is'nt that just devine.
I'd say more like "sublime".
i am not willing to leave iraq without success....
You need to say this to your self.....
There is no such thing as success in Iraq.
There is no such thing as success in Iraq.
There is no such thing as success in Iraq.
There is no such thing as success in Iraq.
Once you learn this little fact you are on your way to recovering from the "liberal media".
Thersites: How did you get the idea that I did? I dont pretend that I don't learn everyday.
Do you?
Are you some sort of elitist? You may be trying to get something out of my posting that I can't provide you.
Another Bruce
Sometimes, you just can't bomb, torture, maim, perform urban renewal and deprive people enough to offset their freedom return to their cages.
But heck it was a dmeocratic election. So Freedom reigns, until we are thrown out on our keester.
And what will happen to those lovely CIA and Military bases we have spent billions on?
There just was never a glimmer this could happen.
Here's a thought for discussion. If you've seen Dead Poets' Society, do you see any similarities between the students and we liberals?
discuss....
BTW, does anybody here find it Ironic that we "freed" the Iraqi people from the clutches of Saddam and his (admittedly bad) secular government. Only to find out that Iraq will likely turn into a theocracy along the lines of Iran.
And now the neocons want to invade Iran supposedly to "free" Iran from a theocratic government.
I myself think that the bigger picture is to keep the Pentagon budget high and the defense contractors fat on the taxpayers dime. I guess that makes me a commie.
Well is'nt that just devine.
I'd say more like "sublime".
Your just being feline.
Uh-oh, he used the E-word - he's really got our number now...
What the hell is an elitist supposed to be anyway?
And now the neocons want to invade Iran supposedly to "free" Iran from a theocratic government.
Sure would be interesting to see them try to use a theocratic, pro-Iran Iraq as a staging area for such a "liberation"...
If you've seen Dead Poets' Society, do you see any similarities between the students and we liberals?
I watched Lord of the Flies this morning.
There just was never a glimmer this could happen
Yes, thank god we have a visionary commander-in-chief with so much tactical experience. < /snark
I can't get over the Right's "John Kerry could never be a CiC" What the fucking fuck?!? Bush is some West Point honors graduate with years of Pentagon experience? Fuck me on a rainy day, I just don't get it....
What the hell is an elitist supposed to be anyway?
Any rich or educated person who is not a Republican, I believe.
What the hell is an elitist supposed to be anyway?
EkCenTriK
Someone who doesn't let ignorant, incoherent fool get away with spouting bullshit.
if not having my head up my ass makes me an "elitist", then hand me the fucking polo clubs and brandy snifter.
Bob Slocum: good point. Yeah i failed to mention how I would handle something like that....i would use highly concentrated intelligence in the country to observe this activity. Then when saddam got real out of hand, I guess I would invade.
But I also think saddam could have been talked into stepping down under certain conditions (promised living conditions)
THe bush junta is all for a theocratic administration.
Afterall they will have so much in common.
They hated Saddam,not 'cause he was a " bad man" but because he was'nt religious enough.
You may be trying to get something out of my posting that I can't provide you.
We have yet to even thrust the dipstick to test your reservoir of ignorance, I see...
YOU brought up "Munich" like you knew something about it. Tell us what this is. Please.
But I also think saddam could have been talked into stepping down under certain conditions (promised living conditions)
Didn't Saddam actually offer something exactly like this a coupla days before the invasion?
It was never about getting rid of Saddam.
i would use highly concentrated intelligence in the country
you're assuming, of course, that intelligence reports would get like, read and stuff..
Bruce, I've had the same thought. the other angle on this is maybe they knew ahead of time that Iraq would go for a pro-Iran leadership. Thus, we take out Hussein and get to go to war with Iran to stop the collusion of the two countries. Umm... for freedom and stuff...
Huh. I can't believe I'm still up.
Hey, if you all didn't see it yet,
there's an article up on the NY Times front-page that has this as the subtitle:
(title is something like 'Shiites Won')
The leaders want their faith to be enshrined as the national religion, governing marriage, divorce and family inheritance.
Freedom, yeah < / sarcasm>
Fuck me on a rainy day,
What,pray tell, does this mean?
I actually like getting laid on rainy days.
..labeling anything with a single term helps the cause of making someone seem outcasted as not normal.
A very destructive habit.
Josh Kinniard | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 1:02 am | #
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Are you some sort of elitist?
Josh Kinniard | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 1:05 am | #
There just was never a glimmer this could happen.
EkCenTriK
A responsible leader would look at the worst case scenario and weigh that against what could be gained before embarking on something as deadly as war. The same mistake was made here as was made in Vietnam, the administration just assumed that our armed forces made us invulnerable to any worst case scenarios.
well, actually the title's something like 'Shiites want religion in their constitution'
I actually like getting laid on rainy days.
And I like getting laid on ainy days.
I myself think that the bigger picture is to keep the Pentagon budget high and the defense contractors fat on the taxpayers dime. I guess that makes me a commie.
Whenever I babble about what I would do remember that I am taking into prospective the reality of the world we live in. We have to deal with the middle east countries that we have supported in office. And we can't just quit dealing with the middle east. We have to have their oil. Alot of americans would die of hunger without it. Venevuela is not enough, alaska would run out...so I speak from the real-time position of the president.
Bush has brought us a war and now we must work with it.
And they'll never invade Iran, folks.
Far too much bloodshed would be involved. Unless they are willing to try the draft.
Which would be the biggest failure in american political history.
Josh, you're full of shit. Really. Go back to playing "Axis and Allies." You think Iraq is some kind of game where you can spin scenarios about "concentrated intelligence" (what's that? like orange juice?) and what you would have done.
The ill effects of the embargo on Iraq were real, not moves in your lame-ass, college dorm game of Risk.
The leaders want their faith to be enshrined as the national religion, governing marriage, divorce and family inheritance.
let'em have it.
game over.
bring the boys home.
(shyah, right! like we're just gonna WALK AWAY from all that light sweet crude... haha!! oh man, i kill myself sometimes... hahahaa)
Central Scrutinizer: hey, i never said i was perfect.
Re: elitists, etc. I was telling a coworker y/day that I heard a Chubb (insurance) ad on AAR and thought it was odd. He immediately launched into the "rich, Dem, snob" routine, as if the good Repubs were simply humble, working folk trying to save the family farm from the clutches of the Dem tax barons.
I work in the insurance industry and Chubb is one of our vendors. Chubb tends to insure predominantly high wealth clients - homes over $500k (moving toward $1 million), multiple cars, $100k in valuables, etc.
The bees build in the crevices
Of loosening masonry, and there
The mother birds bring grubs and flies.
My wall is loosening; honey-bees,
Come build in the empty house of the state.
We are closed in, and the key is turned
On our uncertainty; somewhere
A man is killed, or a house burned,
Yet no clear fact to be discerned:
Come build in he empty house of the stare.
A barricade of stone or of wood;
Some fourteen days of civil war;
Last night they trundled down the road
That dead young soldier in his blood:
Come build in the empty house of the stare.
We had fed the heart on fantasies,
The heart's grown brutal from the fare;
More substance in our enmities
Than in our love; O honey-bees,
Come build in the empty house of the stare.
I am so tired of people saying forget history, just fix the problem. I have heard this over and over again in my life. It is code for "I do not want to be responsible or accountable for my actions, let us just move past this".
The upshot, you never fix the problem until you heed history, otherwise you go at it again and again. And one of the first fixes is unmasking incompetence and maliciousness.
You know, maybe I just don't read enough, but I could've sworn when I was glancing over NYT's pre-election coverage, it made a lot of these Shiites look like they were going to be secularists, despite anyone's speculation.
And now we get this 'we want a theocracy' shit.
There you go, Chris Matthews. The elections proved Bush right, you got your answer. < /sarcasm>
Thersites: europe appeased hitler by giving him munich. whet appettite.
Me tool, smal.. I was going to say "fuck me on a Tuesday" but it didn't seem to have enough punch. It's all about language, brother. And freedom and stuff...
If you don't think war against a country that could not attack you is justfied, you might be an elitist.
If you believe in the Constitution, then you might be an elitist.
If you think EVERYONE is entitled to equal protection under the law, then you might be an elitist.
If you don't think your skybuddy is gonna lift you up and kill everybody at any moment, then you might be an elitist.
If you don't think turning left for 500 miles (in a row) is a sport, then you might be an elitist.
EkCenTriK: its that im a realist, and not much on revolutions.
there i go again!
"Bush has brought us a war and now we must work with it."
No we don't. What an appeasing little piece of vacuous dribble that is.
Rofl, SiM
Thus, we take out Hussein and get to go to war with Iran to stop the collusion of the two countries. Umm... for freedom and stuff...
Ripley
Well, our newly minted Sec of State doesn't think that our military is fit enough to move on Iran at this point. Sounds like a signal to Iran to arm to the teeth because the U.S. is going to invade soon.
Thersites: europe appeased hitler by giving him munich. whet appettite.
By giving him Munich? Europe?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGG!!!!
Please, go stick your head in a vat of Clorox. Or read a FUCKING BOOK.
Probably have the same effect....
Jó éjszakát, as we say around here.
EkCenTrik--Another reason for my positions:
If you believe in the Constitution...
While I am n
We only gave Hitler Munich because he gave FDR Washington and he gave Chamberlain London.
It was only the right thing to do..
Munich conference....yugoslavia....yeah sorry that was lame. but you get the idea...
heh
whatever they gave him....but you get the idea.
Iran has already begun to swarm with small teams of CIA (together with British MI6 and Israeli Mossad), Delta Force and other SpecOps. US fighter jets violate Iranian air space constantly now, luring Tehran to turn on air defense radars so they can be "templated," in order to develop in the words of one Pentagon official, "an electronic order of battle" to take out the nuclear facilities. This is most likely PsyOps, screwing with the mullahs' minds, for rather than air strikes, sabotage is the way to go
From the supercool Dr Jack Wheeler, who loves war more than life itself. And loves Bush more than war, or vice versa... I get confused.
War always ends in peace. So if you hate war, you hate peace and you hate America! < /freepspeak
but in fact thersites, i do not see how that is the point of the matter, really.
Im not going to argue over little tidbits of names of countries or dates.
Like Bush
whatever they gave him....but you get the idea.
Josh Kinniard
Austria, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia.
Liebensraum, you fool, liebensraum!
And one of the first fixes is unmasking incompetence and maliciousness.
EkCenTriK
Unmasking it, shit how about if we stop rewarding it. Hi Condi, how's that shiny new office?
Im not going to argue over little tidbits of names of countries or dates.
George, is that you?!
I think you're on the wrong internet.
Anybody who votes Republican is a whore for the rich. You're just a sucker. Around 60% of those making 200K and up voted for the Nazi party-by which I mean the GOP. The rich know. You rank-and-file goopers are on their side.
Im not going to argue over little tidbits of names of countries or dates.
Josh Kinniard
It matters a shload to people in those countries at zero hour, dipshit!
Im not going to argue over little tidbits of names of countries or dates.
"Little tidbits" like the Munich conference...?
Of course you're not going to argue over them. Because YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW ANYTHING.
Quit teaching. Now.
ah, what the hell. facts are such troublesome things anyway. s'long as we get to bomb shit.
Jó éjszakát, as we say around here.
Te Magyar?
Petroleum V. Nasby---yeah baby, yeah!
Im not going to argue over little tidbits of names of countries or dates.
"Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion!
Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."
Thers, are you in high dudgeon, or are you still in just plain regular dudgeon?
Or perhaps you are the dudgeonmaster...
Thersites: Im still at university. And it was a slip of the tongue. You get kicks out of catching slips of the tongue on world war 2 history?
But your right. I am a fool. I'm chatting in here on 56k!!
Ridiculous, really.
tuning out "Josh Kinniard".. it was fun.
Quit teaching. Now.
Thersites
And follow Thersites excellent advice, lots of drugs and pornography. Now.
"Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion!
Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who."
Central Scrutinizer
Yes. So a few cities went away. At least nobody got hurt! That's the important thing.
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned."
Mark Twain
Yes. So a few cities went away. At least nobody got hurt! That's the important thing.
And I think we all learned a valuable lesson about not trying to exterminate people or take over the world.
sunzoo: whet apettite was the fact. The rest are just details.
but your right, goof none the less, i can't believe i posted that without consideration.
And follow Thersites excellent advice, lots of drugs and pornography. Now.
I fall before you and bow.
Adjust the age for the times, accordingly.
ok, I'd like to know what the supposed connection between the students in Dead Poets' Society and liberals is, if anyone has any thoughts.
I'm usually pretty good at this analyzing-art stuff, but I haven't seen the flick in years, although I remember it's pretty good.
I went to a private, all-boys Catholic highschool for a couple years; it wasn't a boarding-school, though. My dad was determined that I and my two brothers all go there- I think he just liked the image of the place. My older brother Mike always thought this was like a Dead Poets' Society type situation, that my dad had us in.
The only thing I can think of is maybe, I'm kinda like Robin Williams, tryin' to bring the ruckuss to the liberals at large + stir them up a little bit, and a lot of other liberals are like the students, suffering from oppressed-by-the-man-let's-just-sit-down-and-give-
up brain-fungus, at this point
< / kidding, a little bit...>
(well, most of us, anyway...)
And I think we all learned a valuable lesson about not trying to exterminate people or take over the world.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 1:38 am | #
I just wish we had Mike and Carol Brady to explain that so succintly on CNN.
No thanks, No Bruce. I really am proud to soon be in education, love it, respect it, can't wait to give my best contribution.
I may be ignorant, but god help us, alot of people more ignorant than me in my field.
"And I think we all learned a valuable lesson about not trying to exterminate people or take over the world.
Eli"
That was wicked in every sense of the word. I would swear I hear a whip crack when I read that.
When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so smart, he could hardly stand to have me around. But when I got to be fify-four, I was astonished at how ignorant he had become.
Shrub
And it was a slip of the tongue. You get kicks out of catching slips of the tongue on world war 2 history?
Do you remember that bit of the conversation when you brought up "Munich" as a reason for waging war today? And that other bit where ou got caught out not knowing anything about "Munich"?
I HATE you.
I was just thinking about the think for yourself v. authority aspect of it, Swan. I haven't seen it for a year or so but it just popped into my head and me wonder if there might be a line to draw between the movie and liberals v. BushCo/freepers.
I may be ignorant, but god help us, alot of people more ignorant than me in my field.
Josh Kinniard
The word is ignoranter.
And what field are you in?
Shrub
Petroleum V. Nasby
You funny man!
I HATE you.
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 1:43 am | #
Hey T, you're much more learned than me about these things, but I know from Munich.
Whenever you want to fight this shit literally, just lemme know.
I think of Hesse when I watch the Dead Poet's Society. I can't remember which book, Beneath the Wheel or Damian, in which he is dealing the state's concept of what people should learn and how they should be. If I remember correctly, in the book it was not a happy ending. It has only been about thrity years since I read it.
I also see the concept of someone bringing fire to the people, allowing them to stretch their imaginations and see different views. I am still astonished to realize how afraid people can be to imagine something that they have been told not to even think about.
Hey T, you're much more learned than me about these things, but I know from Munich.
It's one of the places where they talk about pop muzik, right? Like New York, Paris, and London.
Thersites: hehe i knew munich. I was just talking too fast. If I hadn't, hell im smart enough to wiki it.
I HATE you.
!!!!
but you have fun with me, right?
I would hate to know i keep you, trying to correct me and pronounce my ignorance, when you could be sleeping.
Dont let me keep you up!
P.S: the hate vote didnt beat bush
Democrat, born and bred
Man!I am so glad when I realise that I am just too stupid to comment on something.
I hate being made the fool.
I do it enough as it is,but to do it in such a manor as to make it plain that you should hate me is enough to make a grown man cry.
Thers, are you in high dudgeon, or are you still in just plain regular dudgeon?
I am in GTA V: The Dudgeoning.
"And I think we all learned a valuable lesson about not trying to exterminate people or take over the world.
Eli"
I know I did. However, America has a few thing to learn about those gays and their gay ways and the gay things they do with their gay friends at their gay houses. James Dobson, save us before we fornicate ourselves to death!
Pardon my typos by the way, I am with flu or bronchitis at the moment.
I may be ignorant
This is a big fat slow pitch softball, but I'll just say that I respect humility. The only way to learn is to admit your ignorance.
I am in GTA V: The Dudgeoning.
I'll be sure to pass that info along to the Dudge Report.
The only way to learn is to admit your ignorance.
Well, I think there might be a few steps after that, but it's certainly a prerequisite.
Pardon my typos by the way, I am with flu or bronchitis at the moment.
EkCenTriK
Smoke clouds of spleef.
It forms a protective coating on the alveoli.
Well, I think there might be a few steps after that, but it's certainly a prerequisite.
Eli
Tiny steps, tiny steps.
Another Bruce: 4.0
i just typed his response without thinking.
But hey, I never tried to make anyone think I knew everything. I'm not into that.
Socrates said that true wisdom is ignorance, or something along those lines and I really believe that.
Thats why when I say "I believe in Christ's theories," I don't necessarily belive in his divinity. I wasn't there. I plead the fifth.
Please read Wilbon's column in today's WaPo. Good news for philly fans.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...4-
2005Feb5.html
This is a big fat slow pitch softball
I'm starting to understand what you said earlier about this not being a think tank.
More of a hate tank, you know?
A bit off topic, but it is short and funny. Interesting as well.
http://tinyurl.com/4abee
Rip wrote:
I was just thinking about the think for yourself v. authority aspect of it,
Hm, well then it's a little morose because the movie ain't that happy for the rebels, right? The cool teacher gets fired, if I'm recalling correctly, and I think things don't go well for the kids in the club; the one guy gives up and kills himself... reminds you of that guy from Georgia or wherever, post-elecion- maybe the goopers harassed him to death
EkCen wrote:
I think of Hesse when I watch the Dead Poet's Society. I can't remember which book, Beneath the Wheel or Damian,
That's funny because one of my teachers at that highschool told me I was like Max Demian. I didn't get it, so I started reading the book, but didn't finish it. Left me with the impression that the teacher thought I was trouble. I wasn't even that socially aware when I was at that school, but I used to really kick my soliloquys (sp.?) in our discussions in English class; everyone at that school seemed to think I was real wild & anti-authoritarian.
Hey T, you're much more learned than me about these things, but I know from Munich.
Whenever you want to fight this shit literally, just lemme know.
Uh, the reason for my contempt is not the mistake, or the knowing less than me, or anything of the sort.
The "appeasement" argument justifying the US attack on Iraq is incredibly weak. The use of Munich as an analogy is just nuts.
The point is that arguments intended to justify a war should really have to meet a very high standard. Knowing what the hell you are talking about is not a high standard.
This person brought up "Munich" as a justification for the war in Iraq.
That's a sick joke.
More of a hate tank, you know
No,it's not a hate tank.Only thing thats not allowed is ignorance.Anything else goes.
Thats why when I say "I believe in Christ's theories," I don't necessarily belive in his divinity. I wasn't there. I plead the fifth.
Josh Kinniard | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 1:53 am | #
That's great. It's bulletproof, really.
Free license to be a good German.
i can feel them getting ready to trash the "ignorance line!"
lol guesss i should have went into further detail...but oh well.
Socrates said that true wisdom is ignorance, or something along those lines and I really believe that.
Don't use Socrates name in a sentence that poorly considered. He never said anything of the kind. Unless you read the Jerry Lewis translation of the original Greek.
It's a common theme among many ancient (though few current) cultures that the first step toward enlightenment is the acceptance of your shallowness of thought.
Rip wrote:
I was just thinking about the think for yourself v. authority aspect of it,
Hm, well then it's a little morose because the movie ain't that happy for the rebels, right? The cool teacher gets fired, if I'm recalling correctly, and I think things don't go well for the kids in the club; the one guy gives up and kills himself... reminds you of that guy from Georgia or wherever, post-elecion- maybe the goopers harassed him to death
EkCen wrote:
I think of Hesse when I watch the Dead Poet's Society. I can't remember which book, Beneath the Wheel or Damian,
That's funny because one of my teachers at that highschool told me I was like Max Demian. I didn't get it, so I started reading the book, but didn't finish it. Left me with the impression that the teacher thought I was trouble. I wasn't even that socially aware when I was at that school, but I used to really kick my soliloquys (sp.?) in our discussions in English class; everyone at that school seemed to think I was real wild & anti-authoritarian.
More of a hate tank, you know?
For the most part, you've proven yourself to be relatively ignorant on most topics, and you've been treated accordingly.
Don't get all pissy now.
No,it's not a hate tank.Only thing thats not allowed is ignorance.Anything else goes.
Well, we kinda frown on lies too.
oops, haloscan's abusing me. didn't mean to send that twice...
The "appeasement" argument justifying the US attack on Iraq is incredibly weak. The use of Munich as an analogy is just nuts.
Your right. It was the UN's responsibility, I believe. But I really am not trying to establish blame. I am just. not. down. with. tyrants.
I think of the UN like the Articles and I really really hate the fact that they are such a terrible body organization as of now. We need to reform its charter.
Or are you completely against war?
Josh seems to have proven himself to be a Democrat,just way uninformed,thats all.
"everyone at that school seemed to think I was real wild & anti-authoritarian"
Makes you wonder about their measuring stick.
c'mon, Josh Kinn's just here to fight. Why even talk to him? "Born and bred dem" my ass. Get a life, Josh.
Thersites...you still here?
It's a common theme among many ancient (though few current) cultures that the first step toward enlightenment is the acceptance of your shallowness of thought.
Yes; necessary but not sufficient. You can't just say, "I know I'm ignorant," and stop there and think you're ahead of the game.
Or are you completely against war?
Josh Kinniard | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 2:02 am | #
For my part, don't confuse an unwillingness to support an unjust war with pacifism.
we appear to have a "swing" voter in our midst. Note it's chronic vagueness and willingness to accept the fact the President of the United States is a born liar, and suggest we find ways to work around it for a better tomorrow.
Josh, I think I see your point- that we have to work with the President we have, since we don't have the President we want.
It isn't possible- not from the Dem end, but from Bush's. he has no interest in working "with" the Dems- his goal is to reduce them to a memory. If you won't see this, after the last three years, you never will.
Maybe I just spoke too soon.
We need to reform its charter.
How about if we allow the U.N. to actually,you know,perform its charter?
Yes; necessary but not sufficient. You can't just say, "I know I'm ignorant," and stop there and think you're ahead of the game.
Eli |
Sadly, so very sadly, I'm calling bullshit on that.
Smalfish & S in Mich:
I would not have come out so hard against this person had he not brought up this subject in regards to justifying war.
More of a hate tank, you know?
Josh Kinniard
Now you're getting rude. Take sunzoo's advice, talk less listen more. I've been reading this site since its inception, and I waited for a year before I began posting. It can be a fun place, but you have to take it on its terms. It can also be a harsh place if you are uninformed.
so, if you are into jazz...
i picked this up today. BOPland. the 1947 elks club concert in LA.
DEX GORDON, WARDELL GRAY, BARNEY KESSEL.
pretty great stuff.
actually, beyond great.
negroes making beyond great music.
Central Scrutinizer: Just because someone does not accept your position does not deem them ignorant in my book.
Yeah, that wasnt the exact Socrates line. But I think you know exactly the concept im referring to.
Sadly, so very sadly, I'm calling bullshit on that.
Elaborate?
Thersites, utterly OT, but thought you should know there's a new book of Myles columns out.
Fairly risible stuff, from what I've seen of it. Possibly even sportive.
I believe the United Nations *has* succeeded- it's primary goal was to avoid WWIII. To do so, it has to balance all kinds of forces and leave no one totally satisfied.
Til the US decided it's ambitions and needs took priority over the rest of the planet, it worked well enough.
Well, you don't know me, EkCen, but thanks.
Regarding Soc, what a guy. I don't think that 'ignorance' line is really something that you can twist around like the fundies do w/ Jesus' 'bring a sword' line. What I read was, that's was Soc's reaction to the Oracle at Delphi informing Soc's friend that Soc was the wisest man around, before Soc even began his philosophizin' career.
I think Soc was just a deep thinker by way of his own mental constitution, and he realized that there was a lot of doubt in things, a lot of things you can't know. The process of going through rational thought gave him humility, you see.
He wasn't aggrandizing the dumbing-down of America, as far as I can tell. < / deep insight>
< / snarking on self>
Now you're getting rude.
Mmmhmm.
I've been told that I am hated, ignorant, dont know the issues....I am the center of the majority of posts...
making that observation gets me labeled as rude?
sigh
Your right. It was the UN's responsibility, I believe.
Weeping softly, softly... the UN should have restrained Hitler... yes, yes. Why not? With cannons of angelfood cake...
John Boy? Chief? McCloud?
Ah well, good night everybody. Go Iggles! not because I don't like the Pats (excellent classy team) but I like McNabb and I like to see Rush made even more of a fool than he already is.
Central Scrutinizer: Just because someone does not accept your position does not deem them ignorant in my book.
Yeah, that wasnt the exact Socrates line. But I think you know exactly the concept im referring to.
You're barking up the wrong tree, son.
I never made any such statement.
Yes; necessary but not sufficient. You can't just say, "I know I'm ignorant," and stop there and think you're ahead of the game.
Eli |
Sadly, so very sadly, I'm calling bullshit on that.
Elaborate?
From the Univ. of Maryland PIPA Study to MediaMatters to a soulfully tiresome list of other cerebral anomalies, the fact heart-breakingly remains that ignorance wins.
And wins big.
I don't hate anyone, even Bush. As for the ignorance discussion, I think it's one thing to enter a conversation and say you don't know much about the given topic, another to argue points for ego. I have basically zero background in history, economics or politics because they really don't interest me that much. I can get a pretty good feeling for people that do and I respect their knowledge and hope that the essence, at least, rubs off on me.
I'm a minor league student of philosophy (oh my, am I an elitist?) and tend to lean toward humanistic logic. My views may certainly be wrong and probably often are, so I have no problem admitting a lack of knowledge or that my views may be unsound, if that's the case.
Other than that, fuck BushCo!!
The exact Soc quote was "All I know is that I don't know nothin'" ('cept he said it in Ancient Greek).
It wasn't a platitude or a principle; he was just acting cool.
Or, you know, what I wrote in my last comment...
From the Univ. of Maryland PIPA Study to MediaMatters to a soulfully tiresome list of other cerebral anomalies, the fact heart-breakingly remains that ignorance wins.
And wins big.
Ah, okay. We're talking about two different things. I was talking enlightenment, you were talking material success. Ignorance can be very useful for the latter, in moderation - but I'm not sure that being aware of it is actually helpful, since that tends to short-circuit arrogance, which is also very handy.
the Dems- his goal is to reduce them to a memory. If you won't see this...
Look at the dems at the national scene. We have nothing. Kerry was pathetic. I prefered Kucinich. But they are all still sticking to the talking points on tv, and though everyone in america knows that oppose this war, thats all we talk about in the time we have on television..well, social security is a hot topic now
Swan: its true, I swear!
utterly OT, but thought you should know there's a new book of Myles columns out.
Fairly risible stuff, from what I've seen of it. Possibly even sportive.
Hey Phila!
I've always been a bit testy about how Myles was edited. You really have to go back to the original columns; a lot of the fun was how he would insult the other stuff on the page with arrows, artwork, etc.
And then the more you're into the period, the more you get of the comedy. We desperately need such acid wit today...
Oh wait. No, we don't. The UN will have stopped Hitler from attacking Munich. Whew.
Anyone still awake?
What does the left need to hang together to beat back the right and retake some ground - that is, enough ground to become un-marginalized?
Church congregations = a community that the Dems simply don't seem to have.
I am not a social person. Hell, I ride the bus for two hrs every day, and, frankly, I get weary of "people".
My ideal weekend is to spend at least an hour each morning sitting on my front porch feeding birds and squirrels. At my most "social" during those couple of hours, I will wave and say good morning to passing neighbors, but I don't want to spend hours with them.
However, it would seem that to help the left and Dems become more successful politically, I'll need to "remodel" my life to become more social.
I'd almost rather take a beating.
I know nothing, therefore I am... maybe. I dunno.
The exact Soc quote was "All I know is that I don't know nothin'" ('cept he said it in Ancient Greek).
My favorite saying of Socrates is "All we are is dust in the wind."
or are you completely against war?
what kind of a fucktard poses such an obtuse question?
what is this, the Falafel Factor?
Swan
I hope you didn't take that as an insult. I guess I was thinking out loud without filling in the bits.
I got nailed with that rep though in reality I was pretty mild. The point was a bit of off the reservation thinking got me into trouble. Their measuring stick was pretty low for what a trouble maker was.
On the other hand, if you were a full blown rebel, more power to ya.
he UN will have stopped Hitler from attacking Munich. Whew.
Too bad it couldn't stop W. from attacking Baghdad. Or Washington.
I've always been a bit testy about how Myles was edited. You really have to go back to the original columns; a lot of the fun was how he would insult the other stuff on the page with arrows, artwork, etc.
I don't doubt it! But things being what they are, the book'll have to do. I take my laffs where I can get 'em.
This particular book comprises pieces written during WWII.
Uh... wow, this thread has really made me realize that I've been wrong, so wrong all along. What I really need to do is admit my ignorance and check out some GOP websites to see if maybe they have the right idea.
I'm going to go do some soul-searching. I can't believe that I became such a mean, mean man in my blind hatred of Bush. I'm disgusted with myself.
And all it took was one even-tempered, open-minded soul to make me realize that. Thanks, Josh!
disclaimer: i never make a post for ego reasons. Lord help us, may the people in this room adhere the same...
Weeping softly, softly... the UN should have restrained Hitler...
There was no UN during Hitler's reign. At the beginning, there was the League of Nations, but that was dimissed by lots of folks because they didn't want to lose their national soverignty (sound familiar?).
I've been told that I am hated, ignorant, dont know the issues....
It's because you are.
I am the center of the majority of posts...
If you need to be, ok. I suppose we can maybe even scrounge up someone to say nice things about you, if you really need that.
Josh: could you rewrite that 2:15 comment? Because I just came home from an evening of drinking beer with my younger brother and I don't think it's the beer's fault your comment is incoherent.
Eli,
I now understand your approach.
We cool.
I think one of the English classes at my high school voted me "most transcendental." To this day, I'm *still* not sure what that meant.
I'm with you, Sarah. Honestly, I could deal with fewer people and get my communication from the net. Sounds pathetic and nerdy, but I've just grown weary of people. I'm quite garrulous when I'm drinking but I find myself less enthused about people every day.
As my dad used to say about crowded places, "there's too much humanity there".
Ugg,my eyes have had it.Damn glasses.I need a new perscription.
In the meantime,I'm outta here.
See ya'll later.
Oh and GO iggles.Ive decided I want them to win because I hate dynasties,unless they're the Cowboys.Got a stupor bowl party most of the day tomorrow.
think one of the English classes at my high school voted me "most transcendental." To this day, I'm *still* not sure what that meant.
Eli
Well, when I was in high school in the 70's, that meant most fuckable by the teacher.
disclaimer: i never make a post for ego reasons. Lord help us, may the people in this room adhere the same...
Would this odor be pleasing to Ba'al?
EkCen,
I didn't think you were insulting me at all- you read me wrong.
For a sec, I thought maybe you were, but I realized that you most probably meant it in the good way when you wrote your comment.
"off-the-reservation thinking"
So you're an American Indian?
I'm with you, Sarah. Honestly, I could deal with fewer people and get my communication from the net. Sounds pathetic and nerdy, but I've just grown weary of people.
Ever since I turned 30, I have lost all love of the telephone. Unless I'm talking business (or at least about a specific topic, and not just talking for the sake of talking), I get impatient and squirmy after about 5 minutes.
"
So you're an American Indian?
Swan "
No, jeez.
Hey C.S.,
Was that really you in the truck pic you posted last nite?
Well, when I was in high school in the 70's, that meant most fuckable by the teacher.
Jeez, I sure hope not. The girls all thought he was cute, but he didn't really do anything for me...
Look at the dems on the national scene. We have nothing. Kerry was pathetic. I prefered Kucinich. But they are all still sticking to the rhetoic on tv, and though everyone in america knows that we oppose this war, thats all we talk about in the time we have on television..well, social security is a hot topic now
yeah, im drunk too.
perhaps its not the best time to chat politics and what not.
I wonder if Zell Meller still has friends in D.C. on the left.
I wonder if Zell Meller still has friends in D.C. on the left.
He'd fucking better not.
Was that really you in the truck pic you posted last nite?
Hahahahahaaaa!
I almost wish it were......
My favorite saying of Socrates is "All we are is dust in the wind."
Philalethes
My favorite quote from Sartre is "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose."
OK I'm really going to bed now, don't try to stop me.
Same here, Eli.. I pace around and can't wait to get off the phone. There are very few people I can stand talking to on the phone. Part of it may be the work history but god, I can't stand phones. I have 5500 mins/month on my cell plan and use about 200/month, if that.
I can talk to my best friend about nothing for hours but even talking to my Mom makes me nuts and I start the " ok, then" comments. I've turned into a typist.
Ripley - "too much humanity" - hee hee!!!!
That's about right.
I can do it, I just get tired of it.
I can't imagine having to prop up the Dem party by dealing with people even one day a week, much less several days a week.
But, it seems as though that's one of the things we're gonna have to do.
Some people just need to live in bunches. Packs, herds, prides, what was that book? An embarassment of whatevers. A gaggle of geese, etc.
In an earlier lifetime, I might have made a decent mountain man (or woman, if I could wear pants).
And, worse still, I'm a Rodney King sort of person: why can't we all just get along??
Why do we have to have a goddamned meeting about it????
SD
This particular book comprises pieces written during WWII.
Ah, the glory years. You will never hear the phrase "vast pincers movement" again without laughing.
One day I will go into the Irish Times archives with you and my God will we laugh. Myles's column like the rest of the paper was heavily censored to ensure "neutrality." There's a whole book to be written on what was never printed. Ah, someday...
Eli: amen
anyone know of a site that follows him to make sure he is getting zero benefits? anyone that goes to the other parties convention...to speak...against the dem nomine....is someone who should not recieve a dime of party money.
So was it Kant or Nietzsche who said, "In the desert, you can't remember your name, 'cause there ain't no-one for to give you no pain"? I'm almost positive it was a German philosopher.
I almost wish it were......
Central Scrutinizer
That shit was hilarious!
I sent it to all my buds.
I wanted to be able to say I knew a "celebrity"!
My favorite Voltaire quote is, "You gonna finish those fries?" or possibly, "well.. damned if you do, damned if you don't" but that was during his dark years....
Eli: thersites, wasnt it?
And I believe it was Marx who first spoke the immortal words: "The check's in the mail."
My favorite quote from Freud is "We gotta fight, for the right, to PAHHHHHHTTTY!"
I am proud and thankful of Eric, group coordinators, and all of you in your dedication to the cause of Human Rights. This is a subject at the heart of all of our concerns, no matter our political party/wing or religion.
Sudan and the other atrocities that have occurred in the last decade or so in our world were meant to be confronted by the United Nations body. But like other political structures that have existed before, including the Articles of Confederation, that organizational structure has failed us.
As a Democrat and a believer in democracy, I do not support the current United Nations Charter that allows a single veto from a Security Council country to block progress towards ending genocide. We need to restructure our global organization so that single countries cannot block our desire to end violations on humanity.
I hope to hear this subject addressed on all levels or our society.
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Ah, EkCen, you meant that 'reservation' thing euphemistically... me bad, I'm a little dense sometimes.
Well, the kids I was in private school w/ were richer & more conservative than us; my ideas in class really challenged status quo ideas (I didn't have any background for what I was saying though, it was all my own stuff), and I had long hair;
It's funny but come to think of it, that was pretty healthy rebellion, but I didn't recognize that what I was doing was cool, I guess because no one really told me. I mean I knew the students liked to hear what I said because it was real different but I think I was in deep denial about how smart I was.
When I got kicked out of private school and went to public, then I started *really* rebelling, but it was totally self-destructive.
"The only thing about masturbation to be ashamed of is doing it poorly." - Freud
Hey, I'm serious, Soc said 'All I know is that I don't know nuthin'.
Google for it. I'm gonna run upstairs and get my philosophy book right now.
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I believe it was Plato who first said: "I can't get no satisfaction" but I don't think he tried.
I can't get no sleep.
who was it that said:
"when i was your age, all the lights went out"?
In the New Testament, didn't Jesus say "He who is without sin, shake it like a Polaroid?"
That's why dude's my favorite political philosopher.
So was it Kant or Nietzsche who said, "In the desert, you can't remember your name, 'cause there ain't no-one for to give you no pain"? I'm almost positive it was a German philosopher
That was Kant. Neitzsche said, "Get your car wash today - Fill up and you don't have to pay", IIRC
Eli,
re: phones, me, too.
Ok, Soc "was much perplexed [by the Delphic oracle's calling him the wisest man] and concluded that if indeed he was wisest it was only because he was so aware of his ignorance."
Lmao Eli
Let's don't forget the immortal words of Gilles Deleuze: "Big Ben, this here's the Rubber Duck, and I'm about to put the hammer down."
Good night! I'm sorry I missed being re-educated about WWII, but I was out on the town.
Troll Chow shares will be the only option available for personal investment become-filthy-rich-when-you-retire security accounts.
Eli
Has any human invented a way to become cleanly rich?
If you want a moment that will make you scratch your head on whether to laugh or say WTF??? check out the SS plonk they're laying down at www.gop.com
I don't know which lawyer/English major wrote that crap but man is it a wicked pissah. These people would confound Chomsky with their non-directional doublespeak (plus a heaping serving of Grandpa George's good old American steely resolve values)
So was it Kant or Nietzsche who said, "In the desert, you can't remember your name, 'cause there ain't no-one for to give you no pain"? I'm almost positive it was a German philosopher
Good quote! It's Goethe go.
Heidegger! Schopenhauer! Marx! and Hegel!
Get in the car! Buy me a bagel!
Alright, I can't keep playing around here all night. This is ridiculous, me staying up this late to hang here, when I've got so much studying to do tommorrow.
I'll talk to you all some other day.
Solidarity, EkCen!
'Bye now, gang...
anyways...
has everyone forgive me for my ignorance?
Has any human invented a way to become cleanly rich?
Sigh.
That's why I'm destined for destitution.
Has any human invented a way to become cleanly rich?
Like sex, if it's not filthy, you're not doing it right.
No worries here, Josh. You're lucky you came in late and the thread wasn't crowded, though. 
But a suggestion - you might want to make your comments a bit shorter and try to give an attitude of "open to comment or suggestion'. If you're a Dem, you're probably on our side but none of us has the golden spike answer yet. Appreciate your civility, all the same, though.
has everyone forgive me for my ignorance?
If you want to discuss the properties of the effects of the composition of various clay bodies in respect to firing in oxidation or reduction atmospheres at different temperatures, I'll slap you right into the middle of next week.
Wanna go?
It's nights like these I wish I could breakdance. Well, most nights, really. I mean, who Wouldn't want to breakdance nowadays?
Breakdancin for freedom, that's me.
central: sounds interesting, actually.
No worries here, Josh. You're lucky you came in late and the thread wasn't crowded, though. But a suggestion - you might want to make your comments a bit shorter and try to give an attitude of "open to comment or suggestion'
oh dude, i really didnt mean to come out that way...thats what im all about--everyone should be open for suggestions and comments. why, its the way things are properly formed. everyone has something to contribute, right? Id like to see some new dem. ideas is all.
has everyone forgive me for my ignorance?
I don't give a flying fuck about your ignorance.
You showed up here to lecture us. Given your ignorance, this was annoying. Cut that out.
"In the desert, you can't remember your name, 'cause there ain't no-one for to give you no pain"
La la la lalala la la LA la.
'ignorance' is sometimes in the eye of the beholder and, regardless of that, can be remedied.
'unwilling to learn' is unforgivable.
& because I didn't have time to comment on the 'eschaton' thread earlier:
"It would be hard to concieve anything less like the Zeus of Homer than Odin. Even when he sits at the feasts of the gods in his golden palace, Gladsheim, or with the heroes in Valhalla, he eats nothing. The food set before him he gives to the two wolves who crouch at his feet. On his shoulders perch two ravens, who fly each day through the world and bring him back news of all that men do. The name of the one is Thought and the other Memory.
While the other gods feasted, Odin pondered on what Thought and Memory taught him."
now I'm sobered up enough to hit the sack. later.
everyone has something to contribute, right? Id like to see some new dem. ideas is all.
No, you don't.
Now, I'd like to quote Ricki Lake, at her finest:
"Don't cry now 'cuz you nasty."
You showed up here to lecture us. Given your ignorance, this was annoying. Cut that out.
whats sad is that wasn't the attention whatsoever. let it be known.
im just throwing some rhetoric out. maybe the politicians will pick up on some new stuff.
josh secretely writes speeches in his spare time
sigh.
S in Michigan: poopie.
Given your ignorance
Eh, fuck you asshole.
I'm not gonna try to be kind to you anymore.
Later cool people.
Well, we kinda frown on lies too.
And on maroons.
4LG,
Your wheel healed yet?
Josh, notwithstanding your fecal protestations to the contrary, I would advise you to seek out the love (however temporarily) of a good woman or man (whatever your preference may be), and then get back to us.
ignorance my ass.
im just throwing some rhetoric out.
You should have thrown it in the trash rather than bother people here.
Josh,
You spoke out of school.
You received a thrashing for it.
Learn from it.
Your wheel healed yet?
Yes indeed. Thanks for asking. I only limped for a day or so.
Pathetic, eh?
Snail on, snail on, O Stip of Shate.
Smell on, O Onion, strong and grate.
Humanity, with all its ills
And all its hopes for future pills.
Is hanging, breathlessly,
Too late.
Oh good, my relief is here - I'm bushed. Hiya, 4LG! Or is it 3LG?
sounds good. but shes on the rag.
aw hell may as well finish the job:
"Odin had the responsibility more than all the other gods together of postponing as long as possible the day of doom, Ragnarok, when heaven and earth would be destroyed. He was the All-Father, supreme among gods and men, yet even so he constantly sought for more wisdom. He went down to the Well of Wisdom guarded by Mimir the wise, to beg for a draught from it, and when Mimir answered that he must pay for it with one of his eyes, he consented to lost the eye. He won the knowledge of the Runes, too, by suffering. The Runes were magical inscriptions, immensely powerful for him who could incribe them on anything- wood, metal, stone. Odin learned them at the cost of mysterious pain. He passed the hard-won knowledge on to men. They too were able to use the Runes to protect themselves. He imperiled his life again to take away from the Giants the skaldic mead, which made anyone who tasted it a poet. This good gift he bestowed upon men as well as upon the gods. In all ways he was mankind's benefactor."
all due respect to Ba'al, but this the hard-working kind of god that i can get behind
No, it's 4lg.
Though I'm about to crash too.
Night, everyone.
Odin For President!
Oy, people who don't know things don't like hearing that they don't know things.
It really is a shame that the UN didn't keep Hitler from occupying Munich, though, like Socrates told them. 'Cuz that's why we never found any WMDs in Iraq.
Taxi!
all due respect to Ba'al, but this the hard-working kind of god that i can get behind
Yes, but could Odin blind you with science?
See you all in Valhalla.
Closed eyes until then.
Yes, but could Odin blind you with science?
Hey, he half-blinded himself for wisdom, that's kinda close...
It really is a shame that the UN didn't keep Hitler from occupying Munich, though, like Socrates told them.
Yes, to this day Munich is an utter waste land, inhabited only by pixies and wild dogs.
Such a pity.
Good heavens, Miss Akamoto! You're beautiful!
Yes, definitely punchy.
Must sleep. Would help if that wanker would stop yelling outside my building...
Eli,
You're the most non-signing off sign off dude I've seen.
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I learned to keep my mouf shut about things that I knew nothing about, lest I appeared again to be a child."
Yes, to this day Munich is an utter waste land, inhabited only by pixies and wild dogs.
I'm told it has a thriving stick trade.
Eli, well... okay. But Ba'al is still more entertaining.
Odin is just so dark and tortured.... and he hardly ever is satisfied with the fumes of a good barbecue.
Has any human invented a way to become cleanly rich?
Prostitution?
I know, it's sort of an insomnia thing. I really should just quietly slip away without saying anything, so no-one knows if I'm lingering or not...
ELI!
IT'S 4 IN THE MORNING!
GET TO SLEEP YOUNG MAN!
Would help if that wanker would stop yelling outside my building...
I suggest a vat of boiling oil.
That usually shuts them up.
It's only 3:20! Haloscan says so, and Haloscan is infallible!
Okay, okay, I'm going...
I'm told it has a thriving stick trade.
Remember that dude on the cover of Zeppelin's 4th album?
He was from Munich.
So, are we going to find out who Deep Throat is tomorrow?
So, are we going to find out who Deep Throat is tomorrow?
Huh?
Good people of Eschaton, as Adam Clayton Powell (no relation to U2 or of Shrub's house help) said in 1967:
Keep the faith.
Night-night, all.
Night Sarah.
CS, on his show friday night, Keith Olbermann said there was going to be a column in the LA Times on Sunday that would reveal something big about Deep Throat.
And that we should look at the by-line.
Maybe he was pulling our legs. Maybe it was about the Deep Throat of porno fame.
There's nothing on the website.
Josh.
You're disintegrating. Go to bed. If you're as earnest as you claim to be, people will still be here tomorrow. You can try to change the world then.
Don't be surprised, though, by the inactivity. Superbowl Sunday, 'nall.
I didn't read the whole thread, mostly got the reactions. I take it you're concerned. You should probably lurk before you comment. Then you'd know not to couch your "rhetoric" in those sorts of terms.
Otherwise, fuck off, troll.
Yes, to this day Munich is an utter waste land, inhabited only by pixies and wild dogs.
I'm told it has a thriving stick trade.
Eli | Email | Homepage | 02.06.05 - 3:18 am | #
You know, to this very day, there is such a thing as laughing your way into hell.
Guess who controls the presidency, Senate, Congress and Supreme Court? It ain't us.
Reality has a very unkind way of making itself known.
W must be jealous
Soon after voting finished Sunday afternoon, a Thai television exit poll said Thaksin's Thai Rak Thai (Thais Love Thais) party was likely to win 329 out of 400 constituencies across the country.
(snip)
About 2,500 people died in Thaksin's 2003 "war on drugs," and scores of people have died in the past 12 months in the South, including 78 Muslim protesters who died in army custody last October.
FLG,
Maybe it was about the Deep Throat of porno fame.
Actually, there is a movie about Deep Throat (the movie) scheduled to be released soon.
Maybe that's it.
A discussion on ignorance?
Taking the meaning of "ignore" to be "pay no attention to", one could certainly make the case that ignorance can be bliss, especially in the modern information environment. One could even argue that would make you wiser.
What about pessimists, Ted?
Actually, there is a movie about Deep Throat (the movie) scheduled to be released soon.
In fact, Harry Reems is a Xian fundie now, just like Linda Lovelace.
YEAH, I AGREE ALSO, CLICK
YEAH, I AGREE ALSO, CLICK
Oh Gawd, the frickin' drive-by blogwhores are at it again.
Gina, you dolt, people are more likely to consider your link if you:
a) have something within it that might be relevant to the discussion
and
b) that you don't have the fucking sludge report as your homepage link.
Try again, troll-girl.
BTW, you must be the first whore to go out of business, given how poorly you fellate the wingnuts. And if you can't satisfy them, then you're beyond all hope.
What exactly is dilby anyway?
If you haven't given up on teevee yet, you are must love torure.
'Bout ready to also give up on mainstream newspapers. Still read the times for Krugman and an occasional Dowd and Rich.
Who is the bigger shit-head Mo-ron,
Friedman or Kristof?
I get:
7 Republicans, 3 Democrats.
OT: When George Bush invades Iran wouldn't it be interesting if the Iraqi government were to break ties with Washington in protest?
With their early and huge lead over the Allawi slate the pro Iran coalition seems to be the certain and big winners in the elections. I read that even in the United States the Allawi group got fewer votes than the Communists.
Given Bush's own electoral history, what do you think will happen now if the percentages in the vote count now shifted to be even somewhat more in Allawi's favor? What do you think the Shi'as' reaction would be? It seems a pretty good guess that the vast majority of the Shi'as wouldn't accept it, would accuse Bush of election rigging and all hell would then break loose. And other than Tony Blair giving one of his canned speeches in support, who in the world would believe Bush didn't rig the results?
This doesn't even consider what's going to happen if the Kurds win the large chunk of the seats some counts have already shown.
So when all is said and done the best thing that could come out of this election is that it would make it much more difficult for Bush to invade Iran. If that is true the election was worth something, at least.
Of course the cost in lives lost, in lives blighted, in enviornmental damage, in social infractructure destroyed, in cultural treasures lost, in dollars lost, and in the case of the United States all credibility spent and a considerable debit run up,.... the entire effort might bring about an Islamic Republic. We can only hope that it isn't as bad as the one in Iran. Or at least more like what Iran has now than what it had after the last U.S. backed tyrant was thrown out. If Bush does invade Iran now it will certainly radicalize the majority Shia' population in Iraq.
Hey, I have a blog also. It's still blank.
someone post something on it, i'm too lazy.
EPT - To say nothing of the fact that before the invasion women enjoyed a modicum of freedom. That's gone now. Women can't go outside without a male relative without fear of being raped. Iraq will look more like Afghanistan under the Taliban.
W is continuing his lifelong pattern of fucking up everything he touches. How do these fuckers sleep at night.
Morning QL. How do they sleep at night? One assumes that they give a shit about anyone but themselves and that would seem to be a fallacious assumption.
They just get used to living the lie, QuiltLady.
Once you are numb, nothing else matters. I went through that after rehab from cocaine. Remember, W never went through rehab - he's stuck in his addiction cycle and the psychological manifestations that come with it.
Going to a minister and saying one is 'saved' doesn't work in addiction therapy. It takes a lifetime of work and constant re-evaluation.
To say nothing of the fact that before the invasion women enjoyed a modicum of freedom. QuiltLady in NY
Absolutely. What was done to women in Iran and Afghanistan rank as the worst crimes of those two regimes. And as the worst crimes of just about all of the governments Bush is friendly to.
I remember after Saddam invaded Kuwait there were some women there who expected that their lives would be better under Saddam than under the degenerate Al-Sabah crime family. And I have heard that some people think they might be a bit better for women than the House of Saud.
I forget. Can women drive in Kuwait now?
To say nothing of the fact that before the invasion women enjoyed a modicum of freedom. That's gone now.
QuiltLady in NY
Yeah, Saddam was good like that. He granted all his subjects a modicum of freedom.
Incredible.
Morning all.
I have a sister who is AA. She hasn't had a drink in over ten years, but goes to her meeting every Friday nonetheless. She is convinced that w is a dry drunk.
I don't think they have begun to fight for SS deform yet. They have set up a war room and have over $50 million to spend on propaganda. The only people pushing the facts are the blogs and Krugman. Goddess help us.
i posted some comics
http://tinyurl.com/4vuxk
Well, what does it matter if the women are free, if the men are, right? Yes, let's put women in a cultural prison. Let's torture them for taking one step out of it. Yeah, that's real freedom for you.
Nobody is saying that Saddam wasn't a bad guy. He clearly was. Although he wasn't so bad when the US govt. ws bankrolling him; funny how it was the lefties who were saying that was a bad move when it was going on... Still, was Saddam the worst of the worst?
Not by a long shot. See, Saud, House of. And, funny, the country they rule had a whopping lot of people who attacked this country on 9/11. And funded the attack. And planned it. See Bin Forgotten, Osama.
But let's not have facts hitting any of the trolls in the ass around here. It might knock their heads out.
Oh dear, TM is out of his cave early.
Obviously it's no xy skin off of his nose what happens to women.
Ignore the trolls. Did any of you read upthread where this guy insisted he had a degree in political science and taught secondary social studies and then said the UN should have done something about Hitler. Shit - coffee coming out the nose on to the screen is not a pretty mess to have to clean up before 6 a.m.
I have a sister who is AA. She hasn't had a drink in over ten years, but goes to her meeting every Friday nonetheless. She is convinced that w is a dry drunk.
You know, drunks who concern themselves with other people's sobriety are ripe for relapse. Your friend is at risk.
UN should have done something about Hitler
Wow, I didn't read upthread.
Truly, this "person" is too stupid to live. I wonder if it forgets to breathe on a regular basis.
Speaking of which...
Buon giorno, QuiltLady. Was wondering ... do you sell your quilts anywhere in the city?
Nobody is saying that Saddam wasn't a bad guy. He clearly was. Although he wasn't so bad when the US govt. ws bankrolling him; funny how it was the lefties who were saying that was a bad move when it was going on... Still, was Saddam the worst of the worst?
Incredible.
Just can't help but defend Saddam, can you?
Maybe if you're a good little troll, tomaig + hat will let you join their next WTC circle jerk.
Hey, TM. How do you like this fact:
In U.S. voting, Allawi garnered just 5 percent of the vote, less than the Communist Party total.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...article.cgi?f=/
c/a/2005/02/04/MNGSMB5MDT1.DTL
Even here in the U.S. where they can see the full meaning of having the Bush Crime Family in power they didn't back his thug.
Think the brouhaha over the Sec. of State in California is being done with an eye to snare another GOP Senator in 2006?
Buon giorno, QuiltLady. Was wondering ... do you sell your quilts anywhere in the city?
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I am so flattered. I've sold a few, but I want the quilting to be something I do just because I want to do it. I also don't like to part with them which has led to a spare room filled with quilts. It was hard trading with DWD cause it meant parting with one.
QuiltLady ... No problem. I thought if you did I might buy one for a friend as a wedding present later this year. Isn't there a store on 57th (I think between Park/Mad) that sells nice ones?
QL,
Yet, after we have experienced something, is it always necessary to have the physical reminder of the experience? I am not sure.
Creating something requires us to imbue it with elements of ourselves. How we did a certain something, remembering what something felt like, how pleased we were when finished, the questions we debated while conceiving of something are the important things. It is not so much that the object becomes unimportant, but its importance pales when considered against the larger questions.
If anything, the physical manifestation of the ideas really and truly are less of a consideration than the mental processes that led to its creation.
Moving on from that moment is the trick. (And the quilt is lovely.)
Just can't help but defend Saddam, can you?
Thomas McElroy
Just can't help defending the deaths of over 1400 of our troops so far, tens of thousands maimed, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis murdered by Bush?
Thomas McElroy, you should learn to suck dick.
Bush has murdered more innocent Iraqis than Saddam.
Thomas McElroy, you should learn to suck dick.
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Lips that touch Republicans' will never touch MINE.
Good morning -- Are post times for comments a bit off here this a.m.?
Bush had more Iraqis wallow in huge chunks of crap than Saddam.
TM seems to have gone back into his cave. Does that mean an early spring?
Res - I've heard they have nice quilts. There is one quilt shop in NYC, The City Quilter, on 25th between 7th & 8th. They display the quilts made by the employees and you could probably buy one if you are so inclined. Most of the people who work there do it for the discount they get on the fabric. Quilting is almost a cult. I tend to buy my fabric in the garment district or out of the way fabric stores in Brooklyn and Queens.
How was your Italian lesson yesterday?
Bush got more foreign nationals working in Iraq murdered and beheaded like the Italian woman they have now than Saddam.
Good morning all... I hope there's some good news, anywhere, because I'm just plain cranky!
whining about the SCLM won't help - I saw stossel on FAUXnews this weekend - he was parroting the theme that liberals run the NYTimes, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc....
here is how to hit them:
We need a truly Liberal Network - none of those mentioned are 'liberal' - that is the 'mating call' of the let's get rid of progress coalition!!!
when I say liberal network, it needs to be as leftist as FOX is right!
does any media say FOX is right-wing?
do they?
NO they don't! pussies!
we need a NOW with Bill Moyers network - along with Frontline...they need to be between CNN and FOX in the lineup!
Murdoch is a modern Hearst with his agenda and the media power to brainwash the masses!
Think the brouhaha over the Sec. of State in California is being done with an eye to snare another GOP Senator in 2006?
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When are we going to have national standards for voting in national elections. When are we going to insist that those counting the votes cannot be head of the election committee of one of the candidates. When is there going to be a paper trail. When...when...when?
I gave money to Bev Harris. Is anyone but her looking into the election. I don't think we can turn it around but I want to make sure that future elections at least have the appearance of being legitimate.
I have a sister who is AA. She hasn't had a drink in over ten years, but goes to her meeting every Friday nonetheless. She is convinced that w is a dry drunk.
I'm convinced, too.
QuiltLady ... That was SteveLG who was going to the Italian lesson. I was the one looking for someone with knowledge of Sicilian dialect.
I do a lot of needlepoint. I sometimes give my stuff away, but only to very good friends and close relatives. I think it's because I want to be able to see the people enjoy/display the stuff.
I am also trying to learn to knit, but the tension in my hands is all over the place, so everything comes out sort of screwy.
I will check out that shop. I am trying to think of out-of-the-ordinary wedding presents for this friend.
I don't think Bush ever stopped drinking. I think it's just spin that he found Jesus and stopped. Nothing wrong with enjoying your drink. Grant was a drunk in office who was also incompetent but not in a sinister way like Bushit. I just have a problem when they cynically lie like Bush to get the fundie vote.
Sorry res - it's hard when there are no faces.
I crocheted for years, never could knit because of the tension thing. Looks so easy.
Hey all,
What time does the bowl kick off? (I'm not American so I shouldn't be expected to now). I've got coverage and I may keep an eye on it.
I don't think Bush ever stopped drinking.
WTF, do ya think he falls down and shows up with too many scars on his face for a sober man? If you ask me, "pickles" looks drunk too. If chimpy is still drinking, is this proof that he is an ignorant, abusive, fool that has been put into a position of power to carry on an agenda of his "handlers"?
If so, don't we really need to look past Kark Rove to see who is really "pulling the strings?"
I'm not American so I shouldn't be expected to now
Did I detect a distinct feeling of pride in that statement? Do you place American flags in the doggie doo at the local parks? I beleive it is a 5:30 kick-off, US Central Time.
I've got coverage and I may keep an eye on it.
Magnum
Usually pre-game coverage begins at about 7pm Central Standard Time here. Probably will kick off about 8pm. Last until about 11pm.
THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS A FAIR WARNING TO THE SOW-TEATED, PUSTULE-ASSED RADIO "PERSONALITY" WHO SO DESPISES DONOVAN McNABB THAT HE MAY ATTEMPT TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF SUPER BOWL XXXIX BY UNLEASING THE IMPISH POWERS OF HIS SLAVISH DEVOTEES (KNOWN, IN DEVILSPEAK, AS "DITTOHEADS"):
Keep your asskissers in check today.
Don't fuck with this game in any way.
Your almost-human shape
Can be squashed like a grape,
And become a pissed-Iggle's buffet.
Did I detect a distinct feeling of pride in that statement? Do you place American flags in the doggie doo at the local parks?
That statement was totally uncalled for.
Let me see if I can find the exact time....
hold
Hitler. UN. Munich.
Might that quite possibly have been the single stupidest troll EVAH!?
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kick-off time,
Time for my annual, I don't care about the stupid game, statement. The SuperBowl is the real religous holiday in the Chamber of Normalacy religon. It is mandatory for all good, right-thinking 'mericans to take an interest in it. Buying a new huge TV is the most pious act of devotion but holding a calorie rich party is the minimal requirement.
My nephew who works at a big box store expects lots of big, heavy TVs to be returned next week. People doing this lose any of the earned indulgences gained by the original purchase.
The corporate media is the reason Bushboy is able to get away with his malfeasance in office, which should have aroused public outcry years ago!
Good Morning everyone.....
Go Eagles!
Not a Philadelphian by birth, but I want to see this city explode with joy after they win.
Shouldn't Bushboy be investigated for violation of the RICO statute?
You know, the one for conspiring in a vast criminal enterprise?
Just consider the short list of his lies, scams and corrupt acts:
1. The Energy Commission headed by Cheneychins (1st week in office), which gave Fossil Fuel & Energy companies carte blanche on any legislation they wanted.
2. Bushboy's proposal for a $1.6 trillion tax cut, ostensibly for "all Americans," while gearing it to benefit the richest 5%.
3. His Medicare give-away to Big Pharma.
4. His invasion of Iraq where the second largest reserves of oil are.
5. His rapes of the environment for profiteering corporate polluters.
6. His latest SS scam which is so blatantly corrupt that even REpublican Congresspeople are refusing to endorse it.
The venality and corruptness of Bushboy is self-evident. Too bad we don't have an AG that will prosecute him or a Congress that could impeach him!
Well, speaking of my lezione d'italiano,> I had a proud moment in class yesterday.
Someone (someone using an English to Italian dictionary for his homework) used the word utile, meaning 'useful' in this context. Since we try and conduct the class using minimal English, the instructor tried to convey the meaning by mentioning certain cosi utili, like a calcolatrice, orologio, calendario, etc.
As something which non e utile, he said: un elefante blanco. True enough. Stuck for another example, he asked the class.
I suggested: "Il presidente," which got a nice laugh, and concluded that portion of the class.
Who knew adult education could be such fun?
Uh, ... UNLEASHING ...
Gee.
I'd have sworn I closed that bold tag.
We have been having a Super Bowl party with the same group for over 25 years, rotating from house to house. Before the game was shown in prime time we actually watched it once in awhile. Sadly, Mr. QL threw out his back this week and we will miss it for the first time.
Not terribly important in the greater scheme of things.
Egads, the fundies are salivating that Clinton, by association, may be involved in the oil for food imbroglio.
And the italics, too, for that matter.
...more coffee. Much more coffee.
AS a die-hard Redsox and Patriot fan and Boston resident, I'll trade the World Series win (first in 86 years) of the Sox and the Patriot win today for having Bushboy indicted for corruption, criminal negligence and malfeasance in office.
4. His invasion of Iraq where the second largest reserves of oil are.
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Didn't I read here that the Saudis have been pumping more oil than they have let on thus depleting their fields faster that conventional wisdom would have it, and are expected to be dry by 2012? That would make Iraq the country with the largest reserve.
New threads up.
Time for my annual, I don't care about the stupid game, statement. The SuperBowl is the real religous holiday in the Chamber of Normalacy religon. It is mandatory for all good, right-thinking 'mericans to take an interest in it. Buying a new huge TV is the most pious act of devotion but holding a calorie rich party is the minimal requirement.
I agree. It's like 'everybody act like everything's normal, ALREADY!' Let's scream, act stupid like things are back on track. I've always hated it like I was forced to join in or what's wrong with me. "Ain't choo a real 'Murkan." Tomorrow at work they'll be talking about it endlessly.
GO SAINTS!!
My nephew who works at a big box store expects lots of big, heavy TVs to be returned next week.
Someone reported (one of the cable news channels) this week that people are no longer going to be allowed to return BIG screen teevees after the Super Bowl.
I'll trade the World Series win (first in 86 years) of the Sox and the Patriot win today for having Bushboy indicted for corruption, criminal negligence and malfeasance in office.
Can't be indicted while president.
Won't be impeached by the repugs, even if photographed with the proverbial "dead girl or live boy."
But, as we all recall from our Paula Jones lesson, a president can be sued and compelled to testify in private litigation.
Anybody got anything?
Magnum, if you're around. I tried to find the listing but after wading through about 20 stupid sites without giving specific times and only wanting to sell Superbowl party items, I just don't have the stomach for it.
I don't care about the stupid game
Join the club. All this will mean is that, if The Pats win, I get to hear nothing but drunken yayhoos screaming and beeping their horns. I'll get an even bigger helping of it since I live in the luxurious "east parking lot" district of Davis Sq.
And maybe, just maybe, police will kill another innocent bystander in Fenway/Kenmore Sq when those idjits start rioting and knocking over cars.
Oh yeah, sports are great.
I don't understand you Americans.
The Superbowl is probably your own most important sporting day, but all the extraneous crap around it is what gets people excited.
I've seen how it happens -- once while overseas, I went to a pub to watch it. This pub gets quite a few Americanos as clients, and a quite a few of them turned up to watch. They paid attention at the beginning, but before the first half was over any groups of Americans in the pub had turned away from the TV and were drinking and talking shit amongst themselves. What sort of attitude to sport is that?
While trying to find out the actual kick-off time, I found out that the "estimated" kick-off time is 6:25pm EST. They don't even schedule a time because all the other shit that comes with the contest is more important!
And as for the feted TV advertisements that play for the first time during the bowl: what the fuck is all that about? What kind of society gets excited by advertisements? At the pub I mentioned (outside the US), all the Americans I saw were keen as anything to see the ads, but it was English satellite TV coverage (SkyTV) and they had to watch English TV ads! Oh man, you should have seen them bitch! Ha ha!
I think the mistake that the Dems and the Left have made with regard to Bushboy is to treat him as a POTUS who is merely a bad "leader" instead of a criminal who deserves prosecution.
Considering how the Goopers impeached Clinton for a private act of sexual impropriety, you would think we would have learned from their approach?
It's not enough to call into question Bushboy's failed and phony leadership, we have to show/tell people that Bushboy is part of a criminal conspiracy to loot the US Treasury (which he's doing very well) and use the military to acquire access to raw materials for his corporate accomplices.
It's well past the time when we should have taken the gloves off against Bushboy & the Goopers!
Thanks for the effort Incog dude. That's exactly what I expected if I tried to use the interweb to get actual, real information about something. Sometimes it's just impossible. I was just hoping someone would know the kick-off time off the top of his head.
We've got coverage here that starts at 10am local, which is 6pm NY time. Anyway, see the rant I posted a couple of minutes ago.
drinking and talking shit amongst themselves
I've even noticed this attitude when I go to concerts, especially in the summer at outdoor shows. People seem more concerned about the idea being at an event than the actual event itself. It's especially annoying during a quieter song when some numbnuts is talking on their cell phone about the show they are at.
As Maynard James Keenan once said during a show "Aren't your memories important?"
Oh man, you should have seen them bitch! Ha ha!
Magnum
Baseball is much better but growing up in the South, it's not considered as important as football is here.
Love when the trolls get all haughty about "defending" Saddam when that's all they did for 3 decades. Who shook Saddam's hand? Some leftie? Talk about your projection, jeez. I'm trying to recall a vicious dictator that the right didn't support, without much luck, I guess I'll have to try harder. Seriously stoopid, those conservatives.
What will be particularly galling is when Bushboy walks away from the presidency in 4 years, leaving America with crushing debt, an eradicated middleclass, hapless "homeland security," the war in Iraq still going on and he will be celebrated by the corporate media as a "bold and visionary" POTUS who "reformed" Medicare and Social Security (when the word "wrecked" would be more accurate).
Bushboy will then retire to a life of corporate honorariums, stipends, board of director fees and other "rewards" from the rich and greedy, whose bidding he carried out so well.
And the rest of us will be left to live in the United States of Banana Republic America!
Mardi Gras is more fun.
The Saints might go to the Super Bowl at least once in the entire history of football if they're weren't laid-back and hungover representing New Orleans.
It would never pass the current Gooper Congress but there ought to be a law that says that former presidents are PROHIBITED from receiving any remuneration from anyone or any entity (corporations or institutions) after leaving the WH and must live on the more than adequate pension provided to former presidents!
This might cut down on the incentive to act as a shill and accomplice for the rich corporations and their various industry groups.
Of course, I'm fantasizing, even a Dem Congress wouldn't pass it!
Reagan's rich friends "gave him" a $3 million house in BelAir, CA when he retired after his so called presidency, as thanks for services rendered (lowering their marginal tax bracket from 70% to 28% and other gifts).
Bushdaddy has cashed in on his presidency with some of the most shameful selling of arms to former client states (Saudis, et. al.) with fat commissions as his "reward."
Clinton wrote a book.
But Bushboy will dwarf any previous ex-POTUS when he retires to collect his payola for the many ways he sold-out the American people and the world.
Judas did it for 30 pieces of silver. Bushboy will likely receive 30 billion pieces of silver.
America doesn't have media anymore - what it has is a corps of Bush ass-kissing, war-cheerleading, gutless fuckholes.
Spreading Repugnican propaganda is what they're all about!
Rudy:
Let's not forget the Carlyle Group!
Judas did it for 30 pieces of silver. Bushboy will likely receive 30 billion pieces of silver.
Rudy
I only hope he doesn't live long enough to spend it...just sayin...
"AS a die-hard Redsox and Patriot fan and Boston resident, I'll trade the World Series win (first in 86 years) of the Sox and the Patriot win today for having Bushboy indicted for corruption, criminal negligence and malfeasance in office.
Rudy"
I'd trade an Eagles win for someone blowing Bushboy to bits!
Where's a suicider when you need one?
Hey don't insult Clowndom with a comparison to that hideous mess ol' sad, sexually inhibited Carville had the misfortune to mate!
(M)ann Coulter, Matalin, Ingraham, Malkin, Schlessinger, Crowley, Condi, Pickles....
The "right" really has some bow-wows amongst its womenfolk.
but the invasion happened, and i am not willing to leave iraq without success...
MURKA has about as much chance for "success" in Iraq as it did in Nam.
This country has learned NOTHING from the Viet Nam Debacle.
How stupid!
"I have a sister who is AA. She hasn't had a drink in over ten years, but goes to her meeting every Friday nonetheless. She is convinced that w is a dry drunk.
You know, drunks who concern themselves with other people's sobriety are ripe for relapse. Your friend is at risk.
Thomas McElroy"
Jeez, Thom. You're not only stupid and brainwashed but you're an ignorant fuck as well!
"What the hell is an elitist supposed to be anyway?
EkCenTriK"
Anyone who thinks for themselves, expresses those thoughts in words that have more than two syllables (and spelled correctly).
Someone who isn't a Repugnican, in other words.
and NO INDEPENDENTS, Ministers, teachers, small business owners,
ALWAYS & ONLY LAWYERS & 'CRATS...
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