I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Well I'm shocked. Just shocked.
I'm not all that politically sophisticated, but I'm not sure how that 'works' as a strategy.
Maybe it just keeps it under the media radar while the sausage is getting made?
I dunno... they still have to vote eventually.
That's a reason to be afraid, to be very afraid. We all get complacent that our Republicans are showing good sense, and then they vote to screw us.
you don't have to be a Democrat to loathe Republicans, but it helps.
So, what can we do to hold them to their public statements? And even more so, force the Democrats to oppose this destruction of Social Security?
Say it's not true. No Republican would say one thing and do another! Oh, wait...D'oh!
Michael "wet sock for a brain" Medved getting bitch-slapped by Al Franken...on the air now.
Meanwhile
Richard Perle finally gets a soul (sole).
Sorry OT
CNN
PORTLAND, Oregon (AP) -- Howard Dean, the newly minted leader of the Democratic Party, and former Pentagon adviser Richard Perle made clear their opposing views on the war in Iraq during a debate marred by a protester who tossed a shoe at Perle
I don't see a grand scheme here. This is nothing more than a bunch of Republicans keeping their options open.
The fact that they constantly harp on their strict adherence to principle makes it funny, but that's about it. There can't be more than 2 or 3 people in Marshall's entire "Conscience" group who can be trusted to vote "NO" on whatever proposal gets put to a vote.
Surely Josh knows this.
Perle vs. Dean
....
Perle had his own barbs, too. He began his opening comments in the 1½-hour debate by saying Democrats “looked at the Democratic Party and chose a physician to lead them.”
What kind of hypocrite would say this about the Democrats when the GOP has Frist? Oh, wait....
Say One Thing, Do Another
Weimar Republicans
It's just like Abu Ghraib Gonzalez during his confirmation hearings.
He kept saying he opposed "torture," but the problem all along has been that he redefined "torture" so that the word has almost no meaning at all.
The lie and lie, and they try so hard to convince themselves that they're not. All their heads must have been built with paradox-absorbing crumple zones.
This is news--why?
Oh, yeah, it's the lying, not the sex.
I would submit that lying about one's intended vote is fraud rather than representation.
Perle should be rotting in prison.
The GOP looked at its party and chose a guy who lies about his dick size on the Internet to blow them live on TV.
A.
Surely Josh knows this.
I think he's trying to shame them into making their actions comport with their words.
Which could work -- if they had any shame.
Perle had his own barbs, too. He began his opening comments in the 1½-hour debate by saying Democrats “looked at the Democratic Party and chose a physician to lead them.”
I'd take a doctor over a chimp any day, wouldn't you?
wuh? Senate Majority Leader Dr. Frist, MD
Perle said the war in Iraq was justified based on the intelligence available at the time.
Like the intelligence of the Oval Office occupant?
Or like the army you have at the time?
Yeah, the "no shame" part kind of blows Josh's game.
However, it might work with the Democratic side of his endeavor.
He's working this 24/7 and I don't at all mean to make light of his efforts. I just think that on this subject (as was the case when we attacked Iraq), Josh works on the assumption that he's dealing with people with whom one can reason.
He ain't.
Perle had his own barbs, too. He began his opening comments in the 1½-hour debate by saying Democrats “looked at the Democratic Party and chose a physician to lead them.”
Oh God not a Physician! We need someone respectable like an actor.
I don't care about lying, as not as it's not under oath.
V/R Arthur (I Don't Care How They Do It As Long As They Win) Miller
during a debate marred by a protester who tossed a shoe at Perle
The debate was "marred" in that the piece of Nazi shit Perle didn't leave it in a hearse.
Kill your Republican Boss w/out getting caught. Learn how. It's easier than you think...
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Like the intelligence of the Oval Office occupant?
Or like the army you have at the time?
Smitty Werbenmanjensen | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 - 12:55 pm | #
remember Smitty, you go to the HW with the brain you have, not the brain you want to have...No! Igor! not that one!
Oh God not a Physician! We need someone respectable like an actor.
Yeah... or a guy who couldn't find oil in either Texas OR Bahrain...
Did the shoe at least hit the fetid piece of goat excrement?
Richard Perle killed a very good friend of mine named Sid Vicious.
Richard Perle almost killed me.
Richard Perle suck.
To me the problem is for the public at large, politicians are being what many have been all along. The core is the public does not grasp this is not business as usual, the intensity is up and the consequences an order of magnitude greater at least. Couple that with the polarized nature, including the smearing of the dems, when they even pip on the radar, the 51%-ers just think it is partisan bitching. They are watching a murder in broad daylight yet discuss it as another petty theft case at the local five and dime. It is hard to imagine that we live in a time in which a portion of the country will even permit the concept of torture to be considered as an institutional tool. Social Security is confusing under the premise given and pales in comparison to the war.
OT
Michael Medved is on Franken's show. What an asshole!
Quick reminder - the President has presented no plan.
I think EkCenTrik actually has a great point.
V/R Arthur (I Wish I'd Said That) Miller
Republicans being full of shit. I'm so surprised...
Why should this surprise anyone?
After stealing, lying is what Wrepublicans do best.
I don't care about lying, as not as it's not under oath.
How 'bout when you only agree to testify if it's not under oath? How 'bout that, big shot? What if Clinton had agreed to the deposition, but only if he didn't have to be sworn in?
Putz.
Quick reminder - the President has presented no plan.
jimmiraybob
He was asked by Denny Hastert not to present a plan. Easier to sell that way?
I recently listened a debate from about 20-odd years ago between Perle and Chomsky about US foreign policy. Perle is very smooth and unflappable, Chomsky has a small knot of rage deep within himself at Perle's misrepresentations and lies and ruthlessly takes him apart.
We in this Administration strongly support marriage and wholesome family values.
We do not support gay couples having the rights of heterosexuals to get married and raise families.
We do support hotmilitarystud homosexual action, as long as they support the president's policies, (and send some our way, too.)
I don't care about lying, so long as it's not under oath.
Hey Smitty,
And what if Monkey's flew out of your butt delivering Ice Cream to all the poor Children in the land?
Really doesn't matter does it? The elements of the course remain the same.
V/R Arthur (No, You're a Putz!) Miller
BTW, kids, just a reminder that, in honor of Atrios' birthday, today is Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Day!
If you see a moronic brownshirt fuck, ignore him. If a moronic brownshirt fuck asks you for spare change, turn away.
And when it's time for cake and ice cream, none for the moronic brownshirt fucks!
Same here. Lying is cool, so long as it's not under oath (and Dick is with me).
It is hard to imagine that we live in a time in which a portion of the country will even permit the concept of torture to be considered as an institutional tool.
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God, thank you. Yes. What the hell kind of madness has gripped this country, anyway?
Oh, and Happy To You, Atrios. I woke up too late on the W.C. to take on the monster thread below.
Birthday kitties, please?
Yeah... or a guy who couldn't find oil in either Texas OR Bahrain...
The Bush Boy couldn't find his ass with both hands.
As to the original subject matter of the thread, one can bet the house on the fact that when the nut-cuttin' starts, the lemmings will line up...
What the hell kind of madness has gripped this country, anyway?
This kind.
Social Security OASDI is a fundamental piece of our economy, even beyond its salutary effect on overall quality of life for our people. They don't seem to understand that it provides a relatively stable permanent cash infusion, thus stabilizing prices by providing all kinds of sellers with a reliable market that is unaffected by market swings. The stock market can't do that.
The Bush Boy couldn't find his ass with both hands.
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He couln't find it with both of Sullivan's.
I brought forward my impending hernia by about five years (in other words, I laughed really hard) at the latest Daily Show when Jon Stewart described Condy as being "elegantly attired in the skin of a dead barca lounge".
Rob FOAD.
Happy B-Day Atrios.
Dave, don't eat the Ice Cream if it's delivered by Monkeys.
Mena, tell that to the bad guys. Maybe they won't lop off as many heads. Me, I'm done agonizing about Abu Ghraib. It took me about 15 minutes to get over it, which is 15 minutes longer than it should have.
Fact is, noone on our side does the systematic torture thing because it's fundamentally unreliable as a means of extracting informaiton.
V/R Arthur (Look out for the monkeys) Miller
Social Security OASDI is a fundamental piece of our economy, even beyond its salutary effect on overall quality of life for our people. They don't seem to understand that it provides a relatively stable permanent cash infusion, thus stabilizing prices by providing all kinds of sellers with a reliable market that is unaffected by market swings. The stock market can't do that.
B-1 Bummer | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 - 1:08 pm | #
That was exactly the point FDR made when he made the speech to Congress in 1935.
Moronic brownshirt fucks suck !
Seraphiel, I have a that article posted in my classroom.
Anybody care to guess how long the House will need to keep the "20 minute vote" open to get the majority they need? Remember, to get the Medicare drug benefit passed, they needed to keep the "20 minute vote" open for three hours, and openly threaten people on the floor.
The Bush Boy couldn't find his ass with both hands.
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He couln't find it with both of Sullivan's.
mena | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 - 1:09 pm | #
Thank you, that was so unfunny my hernia has been put back again. Thanks for the imagery.
remember Smitty, you go to the HW with the brain you have, not the brain you want to have...No! Igor! not that one!
SHG | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 - 12:58 pm | #
the republicans looked at the republican party and chose a burnt out speed freak to lead them.
throwing a shoe at perle would be the highlight of a protest. it wouldn't "mar' it.
Only caring when it's under oath is ridiculous and an obvious provocation. An oath is a claim of validity. Breaking an oath is lying. To think lying is fine as long as you don't claim beforehand that you're not lying is an asinine opinion equivalent to saying you only have a problem if someone lies twice in a row, but not once.
You can claim someone who lies under oath is unwise for failing to recognize the context of their lie, but to suggest that the second infraction is in some way worse than its predecessor is a joke.
Don't feed the trolls.
And in case you missed it, here's a very special happy birthday edition of Friday catblogging!
And, as R. Crumb used to say, "keep on ignorin'!"
Glad to be of help, magnum.
Fact is, noone on our side does the systematic torture thing because it's fundamentally unreliable as a means of extracting informaiton.
Then why has it become policy to engage in torture, asshole?
Because the Chimperor gets off on torture, and you still support him, which makes you an accomplice.
You're a piece of shit. FOAD.
Feliz Cumpleaños Atrios.
I hope Reid is not so stupid as to fall for this ruse. I also want sound the alarm. Beware of a Bush bareing taxes. I certain it will transform itself into a THORN BUSH!!
It's not even trying to make sense
anymore, is it?
What a wanker.
Gary,
One memorandum does not a policy make. Stay in Academia. If you're unemployed, stay unemployed. You'll only get into trouble in the Business world 'cause you obviously ain't got no reasonin' skills.
V/R Arthur (Love and Baby Bunnies for All!)
Miller
Oh, we could have a nice conversation. Or, we could respond to the "people" who want to fuck it up. Your choice.
What if gannon flew into your butt delivering cream?
I guess those soldiers at Abu Ghraib who said they destroyed photos were really destroying photos of not-torture, huh?
This is news?
So what about the "Wall of Shame"? Is it still being updated? Marshall has a list of some potential inductees:
As you know, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R) of South Carolina has been running a bipartisan phase-out book club up on the hill. And my sources tell me that the participants are ...
Baucus (D)
Carper (D)
Collins (R)
Conrad (D)
Feinstein (D)
Graham (R)
Grassley (R)
Gregg (R)
Lieberman (D)
Lincoln (D)
Ben Nelson (D)
Bill Nelson (D)
I fully expect that prick Lieberman to roll over and take one for his GOP masters, and I have little doubt Difi will do the same...
"no one on our side does the systematic torture thing because it is a fundamentally unreliable way to extract information."
-schizoid rob
rob, that is a reason not to do the systematic torture thing, but it is not evidence that it isn't done. by that reasoning you could "prove" that nobody anywhere does "the systematic torture thing".
Hey,
What's a "monkey's flew"?
Folks, unless I'm very much mistaken,
our troll is none other than
Pastabagel. Or somebody doing a dead-
on impression of his prose style.
OT
dont forget that Bill Maher's new season starts tonight on HBO.
go Bill !
Fuck Bush and all of his supporters with white hot pokers.
I wish a hole would open in the earth and swallow them all up!
Fact is, noone on our side does the systematic torture thing because it's fundamentally unreliable as a means of extracting informaiton.
To comment on the trollery:
I suppose then that this was an accident:
An Iraqi whose corpse was photographed with grinning U.S. soldiers at Abu Ghraib died under CIA (news - web sites) interrogation while in a position condemned by human rights groups as torture — suspended by his wrists, with his hands cuffed behind his back, according to reports reviewed by The Associated Press.
...
The prisoner died in a position known as "Palestinian hanging," the documents reviewed by The AP show.
And this:
"In March 2004 the Emergency Reaction Force in Camp Delta came into his cell," he said. "They brought their pepper spray and held him down.
"They held both of his eyes open and sprayed it into his eyes and later took a towel soaked in pepper spray and rubbed it in his eyes.
"Omar could not see from either eye for two weeks but he gradually got sight back in one eye.
"He's totally blind in the right eye. I can report that his right eye is all white and milky - he can't see out of it because he has been blinded by the US in Guantanamo."
Mr Stafford Smith added that one of the officers also pushed his finger into Mr Deghayes' eye.
So many accidents, it almost seems like...policy!
Were I feeling churlish, I would say:
"Yeah, but, but...we outed Jeff Gannon! Blogs got mentioned on TeeVee! We made it into the Washington Post!"
Bush is not going to relent because people aren't falling all over themselves to get in line behind his "idea," or beating each other senseless in order to be the first to present a legislative action plan for "private accounts" (the first hint should have been when a GOP Congresscritter used the word "privatization").
Yeah, we "got" Jeff Gannon. But Bush still has the bully pulpit, and control of the Congress. Time to get eyes back on the prize, and pry the GOP's hands off the throat of Social Security.
I didn't throw the shoe.
But I wish I had!
Dave,
Thanks for the post. Yep, loks pretty bipartisan to me.
Oh boy, Feintstein. That's who you're bringing to the table? Her days in politics are numbered after her display during the Rice confirmation hearings.
All that venom. Not a happy site. Unfortunately for DiFi there's more to her district that San Fran.
I bet Condi beats her in the next election.
Hadenough, how utterly progressive of you.
So what was the topic? Oh yeah, SS reform. So then how do we fix it?
V/R Arthur (Flying Monkeys) Miller
Seraphiel,
Last year I was browsing at the local bookstore when I saw some books on fascism and since everybody and their uncle use the term for widely varying purposes I thought I'd try to get a handle on what it looked like up close. I selected one that seemed to be a scholarly historical analysis that didn't seem to be grinding any political axes - it was published in 1995.
As I read through the general characteristics that have historically constituted the various fascist regimes/movements I was flabbergasted.
Couldn't happen here? Bullshit. Ours would be uniquely branded of course.
nobody ever drives drunk because it it a fundamentally unreliable way to get from point a to point b.
Well, when the SS legislation is linked to a bill with 80 billion for armored shoelaces for our troops invading Iran then the patriotic, conflicted Repulicans will have no choice but to support our troops. Right? RIGHT!??
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
- H.L. Mencken
from the BBC:
"Russia backs Iran in nuclear row
Russian President Vladimir Putin says recent moves by Iran have convinced him it is not trying to build nuclear arms.
He said Moscow would continue working with Tehran in all fields, including nuclear power, adding that he had accepted an invitation to Iran. "
Ha, Ha -- Putin punks Chimpy! ha ha ha
Olaf:
Is it Rob? The lame jokes kind of
remind me of bagel boy.
And don't forget that the Class Action Fairness Act was signed into law today.
Bite into an overly hot Mickey D's apple pie to celebrate!
"I fully expect that prick Lieberman to roll over and take one for his GOP masters, and I have little doubt Difi will do the same...
dave"
Hey with Condi away so much, someone has to give DUMBya his daily blowjob.
Who better than LieberWhore, the sell-out piece of shit?
nobody ever drives drunk because it it a fundamentally unreliable way to get from point a to point b.
Yeah, but it's a great way to off your high school boyfriend.
"Arthur Miller":
You're the sort of sack of shit who would attend the Wansee Confernce and quietly calculate how many Jews can be stuffed into one shower building.
dont forget that Bill Maher's new season starts tonight on HBO.
Don't remind me!
My fucking aptly-names provider (Cox), just recently changed their premium content delivery syste, to *force* subscribers to install a converter box (along with the extra wires and remote and rental fees) for *each* fucking TV in your house where you might want to watch HBO.
Then they had the righteous gall to accompany this bullshit notice with the explanation that all this customer buggery was "in our unceasing efforts to deliver the very best service to our subscribers".
I fucking pulled the plug on HBO and I pray that millions of other subscribers did as well.
I want Cox to lose at least %30 of their premium channel revenue over this ass raping manuever of long-time loyal customers.
Oh, Bush is going to be SO miffed at his "Pooty-Poot."
First Kyoto, now this!
anyone know where i can find video or audio of the dean/perle debate out there.
cspan doesnt have it.
Couldn't happen here? Bullshit. Ours would be uniquely branded of course.
jimmiraybob | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 - 1:25 pm | #
I forget who said it, but "when
fascism comes to this country it
will have an American face."
Word.
Hey Terry C. Maybe if we fell into a whole in the Earth, we'd bump into all the Democratic heads denying there's a problem with SS.
BobJeffers is dead on.
So who's gonna frame the SS reform debate? How do we fix it?
V/R Arthur (Rage and Venom Is Not a Practical Solution) Miller
Bite into an overly hot Mickey D's apple pie to celebrate!
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 -
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I want Cox to lose at least %30 .
Or 30 %.
In other words, their ass.
Fact is, noone on our side does the systematic torture thing because it's fundamentally unreliable as a means of extracting informaiton.
I'm 'Enery the Aithf I am
'Enery the aithf, I am I am
I got married to the widow nex' door,
she's been married 7 times before.
H!!!---E!!-----!!-----R!!-----Y!!!
ENERY! (enery!)
ENERY! (enery!)
could be pastabagel, steve. sounds like schizoid rob to me.
Olaf:
Well, whoever he is, he's a
braying jackass.
That much is clear.
And he can blow me.
Time to get eyes back on the prize, and pry the GOP's hands off the throat of Social Security.
"The prize" for the GOP goes far beyond dismantling SS, and we should not lose sight of the even bigger picture.
They want to shrink federal govt expenditures (starve the beast) and put almost everything but defense on the backs of the states. Education, Medicaid, etc - They want to move the expense to the states.
As for SS - The bigger plan is to make it a pure pay as you go (Pay-Go) financed only by current revenues from workers SS deductions. Of course, this allows them to write-off the two trillion owed to SS for prior years excess collections.
Another Progressive day for the Democratic Party - Gary's throwing around insults instead of solutions.
Tres Progressive.
Hey Gary...that was pretty creative. If you'd apply your smarts to a solution, you might just come up with one.
What's a brown-shirt?
V/R Arthur (I have brown shirts) Miller
Trusting Repubs is the first mistake.
The New Democrat
"Maybe if we fell into a whole in the Earth, we'd bump into all the Democratic heads denying there's a problem with SS" ??
Whole?!?! HOLE, you idjit.
May Arthur Miller's ghost haunt you forever. And pull a few Amityville pranks, too.
Dave
Bodacious Birthday Cats there. Hallmark needs your talent.
chris/tx...it's already pay as you go. You still have to work at a young age to recevie at an old age.
What do you mean by this statement?
V/R Arthur (Who's Getting Stuff for Free?) Miller
Arthur (Rage and Venom Is Not a Practical Solution) Miller
Hmmm... I could've sworn Arthur Miller knew at least a little bit about subject-verb agreement, being a famous author and all...
Have I mentioned that I eat my own
excrement?
V/R Arthur (coprophilia is an option) Miller
Quick reminder - the President has presented no plan.
Fake crisis?
No plan?
First Iraq, then Social Security, what's next?
They voted for Social Security before they voted against it.
Dave...ditto on EkCenTrik's cat kudos. Even us evil Republicans love cats.
V/R Arthur (I Can't Wait to See the Feedbck Accusing Repubs of the Wholesale Slaughter of Kittens in Response) Miller
Just how many people do we all know that voted for Bush that are capable of saying "Sure, put the alligator clamps on his testicles and up the voltage"?
Not that many if any myself. There has to be some magic bullet that can drive a sense of horror over all this nonsense into these people. So far, it has been long discussions punctuated with a big news day that start swinging people I know. But that is a slow process.
Ah, irony. Oh well.
Robert M. Jeffers
"Yeah, we "got" Jeff Gannon. But Bush still has the bully pulpit, and control of the Congress."
bush's base:
Make no mistake, Jeff Gannon, or James Guckert, or whatever his name is, is no conservative. Anybody who publishes sexually explicit photos of himself on a website in hopes of making money as a hooker is no conservative. Not in this lifetime. Not on this planet. The person in those photos is a pig and a pervert.
But Gannon did rile up the Left, and it's because they felt betrayed, certain that the only reliable, no-questions-asked, no-strings-attached home for such individuals is in the liberal wing of the establishment media or Democratic Party.
http://americablog.blogspot.com/...ver-
gannon.html
Yeah, gannon riled up the left. How many times can dobson, bauer and the rest ignore what is happening in their white house before.
It's about more than getting gannon. It's about pulling cards until the house falls down.
dave, I thanked you for the birthday cat blogging on the thread below, but thanks again.
steve, was it Sinclair Lewis who said that?
Damn Holden...did you just score on Kerry?!
Interesting someone's Ghost Blogging me. An ineffective and puerile way to address disagreement but interesting.
Anyways, who knows that word - coprophilia?
V/R Arthur (Yeah...I'm the Sick One) Miller
PS - So who's gonna articulate some practial solutions to the SS mess?
Another Progressive day for the Democratic Party - Gary's throwing around insults instead of solutions.
So, you fey little dilletante, how about sharing some of your lofty solutions with the good folks her at Eschaton. First and foremost, you are a simpering narcississtic toad.
I also suffer from the Scrofula of Satan.
V/R Arthur (Proud Possessor of the World's Smallest Penis) Miller
Hallmark needs your talent.
From your mouth to God's ear! Though I'm not too keen on the idea of moving to Kansas...
Am thinking of putting a line of cat cards together for sale on Cafe Press, though... stay tuned!
A pure PayGo system would only collect in *this year* an amount equal to expenses for *this year*.
We have taxed workers an extra two trillion dollars above the PayGo over the the last 22 years to ease the cost in future years.
So no, SS has not been a pure PayGo since the Reagan/Greenspan reform of SS in IIRC 1982.
Remember, today is ignore the moronic brownshirt fuckstick day.
And remember kids - today is Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fuck Day!
hadenough - did you just call Gannon a liberal because he posted sexually explicit pictures of himself on the web?!?!?!?!
Fuck son/daughter...You're so
setting the Democratic Party back.
I mean really. You are taking all the sport out of this one.
Lord, help your party and cause by shutting up!
V/R Arthur (Completely Dumbfounded) Miller
PS - No, really, what's a brown shirt?
Dear Unka Karl: I tryed to do wut you sed and rite stuf on librul blogs but them libruls wuz meen to me cuz I cant spel and aint got no gramer. I presheeate ure muny but I wish them guyz wuznt so meen.
"How many times can dobson, bauer and the rest ignore what is happening in their white house before."
You presume they are the real deal. If they were a tenth of what they try to represent themselves as, Bush would never have been re-elected.
I have a lot of trust in the humble man of god, but these pounders are simply old time snake oil purveyors. I would imagine their true morality in life would be an absolute shocker to their adherents.
I hear an echo (I hear an echo)...
Now batting (now batting)... Manny Mota (Manny Mota)...
And, as R. Crumb used to say, "keep on ignorin'!"
dave
I heard Crumb may be publishing in the New Yorker soon...
re: Drunk driving
Does anyone remember how drunk you had to be to get a ticket for DWI 30 years ago?
You had to be so shitfaced you couldn't stand...Mebbe if you puked on the cop who stopped you, you might get a ticket.
But short of that?
Big Dick's & Dubya's drunk-driving tickets were prior to the recent diminishment of tolerance for drunks behind the wheel. They were slobbering, weaving drunk when they got busted...and walked...
Have I mentioned today that I hate hate hate hate hate theses fascist goons?
karin --
I don't know if it was Lewis...I'll go
google it and get back to you.
Moronic brownshirts suck Guckert...
Oh, and FUCK BUSH!
It's about more than getting gannon. It's about pulling cards until the house falls down.
If this story leads directly to a criminal conspiracy in the White House, or even to the election of Democrats across the country in the next Congressional election, then you will be right.
But unless this is a "third-rate burglary" that can be connected directly to the Oval Office (is it illegal to allow partisan hacks into the Press Room?), it's time to get back to real stories. As I said at my blog (wrt Lynne Stewart, to awkwardly change the subject): "Bush to blogosphere: you got Jeff Gannon. We've got your lawyers.
Guess who should be staying up nights worrying?"
It's not rob.
nobody ever drives drunk because it it a fundamentally unreliable way to get from point a to point b.
Yeah, but it's a great way to off your high school boyfriend.
watertiger
Oh, snap!
V/R Arthur (I have brown shirts) Miller
I have no doubt.
And thus they follow the example of their Dear Leader in that they are lying hypocrites.
It's just that plain and simple.
It is a sad and pathetic commentary on how low our nation has sunk that this semi-literate moron (BTW, did anyone catch his presser yesterday?- he seemed even more incoherent than ususal) is actually considered a "great" leader.
What Social Security mess?
The only mess with SS is the one the Repugs are making. According to almost every economist I've read or heard and a couple of investment advisors/mutual fund managers - Social Security doesn't need this kind of attention.
The mess is that the Repugs are trying to kill it. That's the entire purpose of this whole charade.
I find myself attempting a painful doublethink. I dearly wish to rescue our nation's good name from the gutter through which this administration has been dragging it. At the same time I fear that such rescue will not be possible without resorting to the self-same Straussian manipulation of an ignorant and blind public.
If we succumb to the "ruling class imperatives" world view, then the nature of the conflict changes, and we might as well all join the Republican party and just resort to court intrigue and infighting. If the idea of an informed electorate participating in government still means anything, then our road is harder, our success even less assured, and the immediate future (read 20 years or so) very bleak as it will necessitate the fall of United States from its current position. Though the current policies will be the proximate cause of said fall, it follows as night follows day that the liberals will be blamed for all the ills as we have been the favorite scapegoat for the right wing since such a concept began.
The right wing will attack ANY Democrat to the left of Zell Miller. There will be no peace, and we will all be reduced to taking sides instead of becoming better informed and governing wisely. They will do so out of fear of the retribution that will surly be visited upon them if the left ever regains power.
Any fans of Urge Overkill's "Supersonic Storybook" out there?
today you're gonna help celebrate Blackie's birthday
he's 3_? today
it's Blackie's birthday
he's 3_? today
so you're gonna get up
you're gonna wrap him up a big surprise
today is Blackie's birthday
and we'll sing happy birthday to you
Hmmm, throwing shoes...isn't that in the grand tradition of throwing ones "sabot" into the machinery?
Damn Holden...did you just score on Kerry?!
What Kerry said about his vote on the Iraq "emergency" supplemental was stupid. He voted for one bill, then voted against an entirely different bill. He blew it by not clearly explaining what happened.
But I was "scoring" on Gannon-wannabes like yourself who heap derision upon Kerry then adopt the very tactic they deride.
Mind if I call you "Bulldog"?
I got a "practical solution" for ya (extends middle finger).
"Vote for me and I'll set ya free
Rap on, Brother, rap on . . .."
Why must you all laugh at my mighty sword?
V/R Arthur (Tom of Finland fan) Miller
Feed not the trolls. They're already fat and ugly.
Poorest likely worse off after Texas town abstains from Social Security
Dear Unka Karl: I tryed to do wut you sed and rite stuf on librul blogs but them libruls wuz meen to me cuz I cant spel and aint got no gramer. I presheeate ure muny but I wish them guyz wuznt so meen.
troll
Ha-ha, troll. It's spelled "munny".
I have a solution: raise the income cap to $150,000. Problem solved. Fully solvent. And, YES, I do believe those earning $150,000 are in the middle class, and do/will need SS -- and in 10 years, 150K will seem like 90K seems now. I remember in the 80s, when SS tax was raised -- I have been working since the 70s. At first, the income cap seems high, but in about a decade, it seems high-middle/middle.
OT
Good god, they're letting Rove out in public.
"The next time one of your smartypants liberal friends says to you, `Well, he didn't have a mandate,' you tell him of this delicious fact: This president got a higher percentage of the vote than any Democratic candidate for president since 1964," Rove said.
Smartypants? And he's the BRAINS of this outfit?
If you have a strong stomach (and aren't nursing a hernia) hit the "homepage".
Happy birthday Atrios, please give yourself and the rest of us a present and punt angryman1.
Robert M. Jeffers,
I didn't say gannon was it. gannon is part of it. There is plenty room out here, so please, feel free to move on.
"Arthur Miller"- Please return steve's copy of the Rob Halford Club De Sade gallery book. He misses it very much. Thank you.
Oy. Click homepage for link to article.
"Word that Ralph Reed plans to seek the lieutenant governorship of Georgia signals what friends say is the former Christian Coalition executive director's ultimate ambition — 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. A Bush White House favorite, Mr. Reed would have to give up his lucrative campaign-consulting business in order to run for a relatively minor office in his home state. Associates say Mr. Reed, 43, whose picture first appeared on the cover of Time magazine nearly 10 years ago, hopes to use the lieutenant governor's job to position himself to run for Georgia governor. Friends also say the Atlanta-based consultant's long-held ambition is ultimately to win for himself the Republican presidential nomination that, as a campaign adviser, he has helped others to seek... From the time religious broadcaster and 1988 Republican presidential-nomination candidate Pat Robertson formed the Christian Coalition in 1989 until Mr. Reed left the coalition in 1997, he was considered to be a driving force behind its success." (The Washington Times, "Reed said to see Georgia as path to White House," 02-18-05)
What's the correlation between the Democrats Josh names in that post today and the ones who voted to confirm Gonzales? I recognize a few of the same names. Seems to me that there should be some signature issues on which you either run with the party or you're run out of the party, and Social Security should definitely be one. These guys (and women) are pretending to be Democrats and then running to the Republicans as soon as the election's over. They need to be reminded of what party discipline is.
Eschaton Troll Jammer,
I don't know what the long-term unintended consequences are of privatizing an extremely small part of our SS money.
But as long as it's voluntary and doesn't affect payout for people currently enjoying the benefit of the agreement they had wh the Government, I'm in.
I know a couple things in this life.
First - Waant to fuck something up, give it to the Government. That's why I'm more than willing to keep as much of my SS taxes as I can.
Second - If you have a deal with people which causes them to plan on a certain amount of money for retirement...you simply go and change the deal on them when it's time to ante-up.
V/R Arthur (I Don't have to Solve the SS Mess, but I think this is reasonable) Miller
PS - So who's gonna articulate some practial solutions to the SS mess?
Arthur Miller |
1. There is no mess. Stop being silly.
2. Remove the income cap. Period.
have a solution: raise the income cap to $150,000. Problem solved. Fully solvent. And, YES, I do believe those earning $150,000 are in the middle class, and do/will need SS -- and in 10 years, 150K will seem like 90K seems now.
The cap is, I believe, wage indexed, so in 10 years, the current $90,000 cap is likely to be $150,000 or more.
Not that I'm against raising the cap.
munny? maybe thats wy the meen ladee at the bank wudnt cash my chek.
ooops...CAN'T go an change the deal...
V/R Arthur (Yeah, Like I'm Concerned About Grammer) Miller
They think, with some justification, I must admit, that most Murikans are so stupid that they can get away with it.
Farthur Miller has eaten so much of Karl Rove's shit that he will now be known as ASS GASKET LIPS.
Karin --
Apparently it wasn't Lewis.
But I can't
find out who did say it, alas....
Another TX Democrat: um, yes, worrying. But how likely is it that he'll get anywhere with his political race? The "silent majority" aren't as major as they would have one believe. Just more noisy.
Raise the cap to $150K. Hmmm, that might work.
V/R Artur (Don't Worry About Me Folks - I Won't Need SS) Miller
I heard Crumb may be publishing in the New Yorker soon...
He's been in there before... had a very controversial Eustace Tilly cover back in '94... also did a bit last year on Cannes.
This president got a higher percentage of the vote than any Democratic candidate for president since 1964
OK, I retract my assessment of Rove as a genius.
OK. A "brownshirt" was a stormtrooper, a member of Ernst Roehm's SA in Germany in the 20s and 30s. They were the strongarm thugs of the Nazi party.
Someday, I hope to be able to give
lederhosen to all the male children
of the world.
V/R Arthur (Howard DeVoto always did it for me) Miller
And BTW - Rove's smartypants label was pretty Gannon, but he has put us in power for the foreseeable future.
V/R Arthur (Hard to Argue Wth Results) Miller
Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Day - the birthday gift that keeps on giving!
it aint my fawlt i cant spel nor reed to gud. Them librul teechers wuz meen to me in skool and tole me if i dinnit studdy and lern stuf i wud groe up ignernt and be a republikan.
As the country gradually sinks into an inescapable ooze of corruption, financial mismanagement, moral decay and creeping theocratic authoritarianism, the only thing pleasing to Ba'al is that the right wing members who are responsible will have to live with the consequences of their actions.
Some of our troll visitors are not rich on their own; indeed one wonders what will happen as their parents age and it will be difficult for them to continue to live at home, as it is going to pretty hard to find a job at 38.
Others of our troll visitors will have their children killed in the wars against Islam, even if their children are only 5 or 6 now. Because these wars will not end.
Still others will find that a drug-resistant infectious disease will take off one of their limbs; or they will catch HIV from their secret trists with hookers of all stripes; or their livers will be filled with painful, necrotic and metastatic microtumors caused by the unregulated environmental pollutants in their air and groundwater owing to sneakly changes in enivronmental regulation stuffed deep into other bills and ramrodded through by Cheney's energy task force.
One could go on, there are so many ways they might suffer. Ba'al hopes they suffer more than their share. Ba'al hopes the cancers that kill them are painful.
Woody, R. Crumb has been publishing in the New Yorker for the last year or two. It doesn't make up for the loss of Art Spiegelman, but some of his comics have been pretty good.
Thanks B-1...wasn't baiting, just didn't know.
V/R Arthur Miller
More people voted against bush than any sitting president in the history of the US.
BlakNo1:
You're cracking me up today!!!!
Okay...who let Ba'al out?
Ba'al - get off the prozac, it INCREASES suicidal tendencies.
V/R Arthur (Actually, go ahead and stay on the Prozac) Miller
I say raise the cap NOW. I know plenty of folks making $120-170K range that have ZERO savings and contribute minimally to their 401(k)s or IRAs -- why? Because americans don't save -- they spend, spend, spend. They buy houses that are too big, cars that are too big, put tvs and computers in every damn room of their house, and have to upgrade their cell phones to have the latest gizmo (really -- can anyone tell me why you need to take pictures or video with your phone?! Or play games?! or carry a phone, a blackberry, and a wireless laptop at the same time?! ).
Then, it's time for retirement, and lo and behold, what do they have? Maybe some savings. A house. And SS and Medicare -- and SS and Medicare is what really allows the great majority of our senior population to live in the middle class.
So, why shouldn't folks earning $150K right now be paying SS tax on their whole income -- they are going to be relying on SS when they retire. They need to pay up. I did it -- in the 80s, when REAGAN increased SS taxes, it HURT like HELL. But, it worked -- and it wasn't a huge amount, in retrospect. The pain went away fairly quickly, as income continued to go up. I was young and had time to keep working.
OT -- I lurked at a delightful poetry thread here the other evening. Do these occur at regular intervals or must we appreciators stumble upon them serendipitously?
Who was that *perfect* asshole guest on Franken's show just now?
Just a childish, petulant prick!
Damn, I thought he would blurt out "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah!" any second.
RCSanders - I know, Rove is being [Asinine], to quote Fark ratings. OTOH, he's going to get away with saying this unless the real numbers can be dug out and inspected and proven.
RMJ, thank you for reminding us about Lynne Stewart. As I commented on your blog, if we don't speak up when they come for the lawyers, who is going to defend us when they come for us?
Jon Stewart is right -- it's not gay
if you're the man.
V/R Arthur (hung like a hamster) Miller
wel Unka Karl i got to sine off now an trie to find me a job which is hard on account of the reeding and riting stuff an maths hard to. i jus want you to noe i tried wut you sed but them libruls ar meen basterds.
Ladies and gents...time to go. The Missus calls and she's more important than any of you.
Anyways, it's just not as much fun here without Tena, Vicki and the Chicago Dyke.
What do y'all think. I'm a healthy male. Think o got a shot with Chicago Dyke?
VISIT ATRIOS' AMAZON WISH LIST AND GET HIM A B-DAY PRESENT>
It'll be more effective than wasting your money on democrats and elections. Sorry, couldn't resist.
V/R Arthur (What's a Dyke) Miller
cs, they're pretty random.
PS - If you require someone to pay more for the same benefits simply because they are more successful than you...THAT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE FAIRNESS!
V/R Arthur (Fair Share? Fair for Who?) Miller
Gannongate threatens to expose a huge GOP pedophile and male prostitution ring.
I can't believe Lou Reed lives with
a woman. David Bowie, too. What the
fuck is up with them?
V/R Arthur (that was me on the cover of Transformer) Miller
jimmiraybob - You're perfectly correct.
The "It can't happen here" school of thought misses the chameleon-like nature of the radical right. Radical rightism is not about any particular form of government or economic system. It is authoritarian and generally capitalist, but even the capitalist side of that is weak. Fascist Germany had a distinct Social Democratic note.
But there are always certain things in common among radical right parties and states. First, there is always a Leader who is above the common herd: an ubermensch. What's funny about that is that ordinary conservatism is usually about protecting local prerogatives against usurping central power. One of the signs of conservatism going bad is when that changes.
There is always a hearkenining back to some semi-mythical past when things were pure and undefiled.
And there are always enemies. Usually two: one internal and one external. In the case of fascist Japan I don't believe they had a particular internal enemy, but their society was probably too uniform for that.
So, any of that sound familiar? Umberto has an excellent short essay on fascism's common elements you might find interesting.
cs- You may want to pester Hecate about that next time she's around. She's usually the one who starts the poetry threads.
ps Unka Karl sinse i aint no gud at maths kin you hep me git into bussyness skool like the preznit went to?
Umberto Eco, I mean, of course.
OT BUT AN AWESOME STATEMENT BY ROGER AILES ON HIS WEBSITE, regards the payment (by our military) of huge amounts of cash to the killers for hire at Custer Battles:
As for the whistleblowers' suit against Custer Battles, "Lawyers representing Custer Battles have denied the charges and have argued that the case should be dismissed because the money that was allegedly stolen belonged to Iraqis, not to Americans."
Fair enough. Remand the motherfuckers to the democratically-elected government of Iraq and let justice take its course.
another fox in the hen house:
via buzzflash:
She{rice] has chosen Richard Jones, a former ambassador to Kuwait and deputy of the Coalition Provisional Authority who has been linked to the Halliburton inquiries, as her new coordinator for Iraq.
According to documents released by the State Department to a member of Congress, Jones intervened in December 2003 to pressure a Halliburton subsidiary to purchase gasoline from a Kuwaiti subcontractor favored by the government of Kuwait, despite mounting evidence that the subcontractor, Altanmia Commercial Marketing Co., was charging more than twice as much as other companies for the fuel.
"Please, tell [Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root] to get off their butts and conclude deals with Kuwait NOW!" Jones wrote to a colleague at that time, according to the documents. "Tell them we want a deal done with Altanmia within 24 hours and don't take any excuses."
http://www.boston.com/news/world...les/2005/02/17/
rice_moves_to_name_senior_advisers?mode=PF
You know, I was really skinny as a kid,
but now I'm a big fat fuck. We're talking
Orca fat. Really.
V/R Arthur (that was me on the cover of the concert for Bangladesh) Miller
lying right wingers, absolutely shocking.
Josh also reports Lindsey Graham has been meeting with some Dem senators trying to cobble together a compromise on privatization. If true, this would be horrendous.
OT -- I lurked at a delightful poetry thread here the other evening. Do these occur at regular intervals or must we appreciators stumble upon them serendipitously?
cs | Email | Homepage | 02.18.05 - 2:04 pm | #
CS, it seems that the poetry threads are pretty ephemeral...you have to be here to catch them, rather like fireflies. I don't know what prompts them, it may be something in the air, but I do know that they drive off trolls pretty quickly.
No, I did not say pay more for the same benefits -- idjit. I said the salary cap should be raised to a higher level to reflect the fact that those at the higher level will be needing and using SS -- not just those under 90K. Why are the lowest earners expected to pay SS tax on their entire earnings, but the higher wage earners only pay on some of their earnings? That seems fundamently unfair.
munny? maybe thats wy the meen ladee at the bank wudnt cash my chek.
troll
The thing is, you have to specify a dollar amount on an actual bank-issued check. You can't just write on a slip of paper, "giv me sum munny". They'll think you're trying to rob the place. Oh, silly trolls. Will they ever learn?
I can fellate myself, just like Ron
Jeremy. I'll have some pictures up
later.
V/R Arthur (Jeff Gannon's hot, isn't he?) Miller
Karin --
Apparently it wasn't Lewis.
But I can't
find out who did say it, alas....
Or maybe it was Upton Sinclair? I know it's an old quote.
something disappeared my links.
Onlinejournal
Local costs of iraq war
The problem for me with listening to AAR
Is that the content is rartely so compelling that i can listen to the am-radio traash ads, so hit mute, and then forget to rerurn to it, for minutes, even hours...
The mere fact that Franken might consider running for office will necessarily dissipate his bile...
On the thread below, if anyone is so inclined, I would appreciate some suggestions.
Oh and...........
Fuck Bush
Karin:
Could be Upton Sinclair ... give me
a minute.
mare Gannony goodness in the ewnay edthray
oops, see my post @ 1:49 pm in thread below.
ps Unka Karl sinse i aint no gud at maths kin you hep me git into bussyness skool like the preznit went to?
troll
Well, we can't help you with that. But with a little gumption and a tube of KY, in no time you could have the $50 hustled up to go to the John Birch Society's Washington Upstairs Journalism College.
Karin:
It wasn't Sinclair either, but he did
say
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder"
which seems apt.
Bush must have had some steroids left over from when he fronted the Texas Rangers, and given them to Rove. The 'visitors' haven't been this juiced since before the election, when it looked like Kerry might win. Makes you think something *is* up, esp. with the renewed 'terrah attack' talk.
brandon: You mean horrendous like this?
2004 voter turnout was 60.7% of registered voters.
1996 voter turnout was 49% of registered voters.
Adjust the results based on voter turnout, and Bush receives 41.2% of the vote in 2004.
Conversely, if you adjust the 1996 results upward based on voter turnout, Clinton received 61.05% in '96.
Rove's statement is disingenuous and misleading.
Just thinking out loud here... I know it's flawed logic, but it sounds good. 
Oops: "K-Y". A tube of Kentucky would be an awfully silly thing to use.
Link to gannon info via drudge:
Yup, day 6 and nothing there. Ha!
After years of cutting and pasting together fake sex stories drudge has to be dying. Here is a real one and he can't touch it. Nope, not allowed. Ha!
Hey, this is pretty close, and also a good quote, from the Kingfish:
""When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the American flag." Sen. Huey Long
Rove's statement is disingenuous and misleading.
The word you're looking for is "lie."
Besides which, they can't even back their lies up with paperwork.
36 million voters used machines with no verifiable paper trail. We have no way to confirm who actually won the election.
Poor, sad little Georgie. Now he'll never be a legitimate president.
Private accounts? Who's stopping anyone from having a private account? I've already got one--call it a 401K and been contributing to it for years. Hubby has too.
If we dump the "private account" issue since it is already covered (401K), then we can concentrate on insuring SS's (and Medicare's)solvency. And, from what I've seen we have plenty of time to do that--SS isn't predicted to post a loss for what 40-50 more years?
You just figured that out?
They want to shrink federal govt expenditures (starve the beast) and put almost everything but defense on the backs of the states. Education, Medicaid, etc - They want to move the expense to the states.
But wouldn't that mean that the blue states wouldn't be supporting the red states as much as they do now?
And doesn't this:
What's funny about that is that ordinary conservatism is usually about protecting local prerogatives against usurping central power. One of the signs of conservatism going bad is when that changes.
mean that shifting stuff to the states is a good thing?
R.Crumb has been publishing in the New Yorker off and on for awhile, as dave said.
I wondered if Art Spiegleman didn't kind of get that started. He started publishing there before Crumb. He did Crumb tribute for the New Yorker several years ago.
The vote is public, right?
Tena, Spiegelman came to the New Yorker when Tina Brown was the editor. Then he left because of a dispute with another editor after she left, I forget who it was. I saw something there recently by Art's wife(Francoise Mouly), so I'm taking that as a clue that maybe he'll be back, too.
Me, I'm done agonizing about Abu Ghraib. It took me about 15 minutes to get over it, which is 15 minutes longer than it should have.
V/R Arthur (I'm so full of wit -- no, wait, what's that word that rhymes with "wit"?) Miller
Try saying that while you're dangling in handcuffs from an overhead pipe with a glowstick shoved up your ass, you supercilious twat.
Of course, you probably already have an "O'Reilly Special" up there, set on "High". I'm sure it gives you a lovely tingley feeling as you regale us with your pearls of... wisdom. (Who knew that they'd be indistinguishable from a fetid heap of dingo droppings?)
Sorry, guys: I know it's "Ignore the Troll" day, but this one has to be the most moronic example of his ilk I've encountered in quite a while.
In conclusion, V/R AM: There's a train leaving town in 15 minutes. Be under it.
it's pretty clear that the plan of a lot of Republicans is to essentially lie about their opposition to Bush's privatization plan and then turn around and vote for it.
So fine - let them. They gotta run for re-election eventually and that's not the kind of lie that will be forgotten in the mists of time. If the Dems have found some decent media consultants by then, this would be pure gold.
I don't know if it is just me, but I think the real plan is the use Social Security as cover for implementing Bush's other bad policy ideas. Look what happened while everyone has been focussed on SS and Gannon: Congress passed legislation to take class action lawsuits out of state courts and into Federal courts.
So is a national sales tax next? What other changes will be enacted while Bush has the Dems in a defensive crouch on SS? Everyone knows the Dems will cave; those idiots love negotiating, especially when the Administration says "I'll give you two Ones for one Five" and the Dems say, "make it three and call it a deal".
So what to do, what to do? Forget about SS: Bush is not serious about it and the Dems will cave anyways. The real issues that need to be promoted are on A17 of the Post and I guarantee that they will include: "tort reform", "bankruptcy reform", "welfare reform", "school vouchers", and a flat tax. All the while everyone else is arguing over whther to use SSA or CBO projections.
I knew Arthur Miller and you, V/R are no Arthur Miller.
With all the discussions regarding whether the SSTF is "real" or the nature of what it holds, I have not seen anyone use the simplest analogy.
The president's supporters are STRONGLY implying that there is nothing of value (worthless paper, promises only, ious) in the SSTF. (of course, if that were true, the next logical question would be why the SS administrators have not yet been drawn and quartered) They say that all the excess funds were spent by the government, and the government cannot even begin to pay back the SSTF w/o massive borrowing and raising of taxes to pay for it.
Bullshit.
The adminstrators invested the SSTF in the safest investment in the counrty--US Treasuries. Fast Forward to 2018, when the SS adminstrators are expected to need to draw on the SSTF to meet the SS obligations (N.B. just like it was planned and is supposed to happen). The govenment will not need to borrow money to make its payments. IT ALREADY BORROWED FROM THE SSTF. The government will need to do REFINANCING, NOT NEW BORROWING. Treasuries work much like a home mortgage where all the principal is paid in a balloon payment at the end of the loan.
Assume the government sells a treasury worth 10,000 at maturity. In fact, the government sells to the the SSTF and owes SSTF $10,000 on December 1, 2018. When the treasury is due, the government does what it always does whenever a treasury is due--it refinances the debt by selling a new treasury to someone else, such as Japan, and using the proceeds to pay off the earlier treasury held by SSTF. There is no new debt, it is the same debt, plus interest, now held by someone else.
What do you do when that big principal payment comes due on your house?--You get another loan to REPLACE THE CURRENT LOAN!!!! But you still only have one monthly payment.
The government's borrowing from the SSTF is called "off the books" borrowing and they have now included it in the official debt tally of the country. The republicans are acting like someone who borrower money from a relative. Well, the rich uncle called it a loan, worked out a payment plan and took your IOU. What the hell makes you think you can come back after lavish spending and living large and say you didn't expect the uncle would want to be repaid? Just because it didn't show up on your credit report does not give give you the right to even make that argument with a straight face.
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