I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
First! Whoo-HOO!
Quaoar!
This is too easy. Love Bush!
DAMN YOU DARRYL!!!!!
Why is it in Arabic-speaking Lebanon where they're protesting Arabic-speaking Syria the signs are in English?
Fifth? Okay, How about a fifth instead?
Hey Fuck Bush and the whores who rode in with him
9/11 Changed Everything©
Now for something completeley different...
and I mean completely.
click on the "Homepage" link.
Clean, fresh, troll free.
damn typos, just go read the story.
Thanks. It really stinks downstairs.
Have you guys seen this yet?
Fourteen things republicans aren't supposed to say:
http://watchingthewatchers.org/i...index.php?
p=364
Howcum it took Carrie 6 whole days to discover my dead body in her guestroom???? Mebbe she uses Lysol corpse-scented room freshner?
And, is it just because I'm mysteriously dead that Mark Foley (R) Florida is looking cuter and cuter? Oh Mark how I'll miss those lazy afternoons in the Longworth basement Mens room...
I knew I smelled fresh air coming from somewhere. I just posted this down below, but assuming you left,
Hey ugly bag, I've been meaning to ask you: have you seen this movie? Or are you referring to the original microbrain? (No, I don't mean Gordo.)
Late Night?
You figger it out.
Thanks for bringing our attention to that story, justathought. Amazing.
Quick question, does anybody here have a link to that old page: "how to not break Haloscan and other cheap HTML tricks"- ?
I believe it was written up by an Atriot, can't remember who it was, sorry.
All the fuckwits are still here. Waaaaaaaaah! We have no power. Waaaaaaah! Voters despise us. Waaaaaaaaaaaah! Iraqis got to vote. Waaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Good grief, that other thread was the pits.
goddamit, will someone PLEASE take these skeevy overstock.com commercials off my television?!?
Kevin, an incredibly useful thread.
You know, I'm tired of having to decode these monsters. What's worse is, I've gotten really good at it.
Hey LJ, how's the knee?
Oh, this is rich. Newsmax is saying Russia moved the WMDs out of Iraq, now.
Guess the right's tired of being wrong, so they're making shit up. Gotta love that.
~A!
http://watchingthewatchers.org -- Kills Propaganda DEAD
James--they still beat paid political announcements. Especially with the Governator's face in them.
...ah! Quaoar!
Now I understand.
Justathought,
You can find the link to "how not to break haloscan over at dailykos. The link should be on the right side of the page. Also, there are instructions in the comment section as well.
Justananswer
I heard local news people in DC interviewing Chris Matthews on the radio this morning about Harry Reid. He was actually quite enthusiastic, saying that Reid is doing his job and making the Democratic party sound like an opposition party. He said he thought Reid calling Greenspan a Republican hack was great, and he bet Reid would be receiving calls all day today from people telling him to keep talking like that -- that they are too afraid to talk like that, but he should continue. I couldn't believe my ears!
Hey CS!
It's doing much better, thanks. How are you doing? 
Geddy or brown trout?
speaking of the governator, remember when he said this on the T3 DVD commentary:
"This scene with the enlargement of the breasts was fantastic. In the audience, I saw women sitting there, telling each other, 'Now that's a great idea, I've got to check out where you get that done.' So you can deflate and inflate your breasts on command. It's a whole new concept. Because there's some guys that like little breasts and there's some guys who like big breasts. Wouldn't it be nice if you could play both sides, sometimes even simultaneously?"
class act all the way.
LJ,
I'm doing pretty well.
Nothing that an early spring won't cure!
Why is it in Arabic-speaking Lebanon where they're protesting Arabic-speaking Syria the signs are in English?
They're media savvy, unlike our own American Clown Alley Anti-War Protests™ with chicks with paper mache puppets and tie-dyed bozos on stilts.
My son has become a PBS science show freak. Today, he got inspired watching Rough Science. Now he wants to do chemistry experiments. My sink may never be the same...
Central! good to see you here.
Where are you again, CS (state is fine)?
I won't discuss our San Antonio weather. It was 60s but overcast today. I wish the weather would make up its mind...
LJ--back when I taught middle school, one of my favorite projects was teaching kids how to make soap. It gave me a chance to demonstrate a lot of different chemical and physical properties, and it was tons of fun. Kids always liked it.
Hey Sallyh!
It's good to see you too.
Army Releases 1,200 Pages of Documents in Prison Abuse Scandal
WASHINGTON (AP) - Videos from Iraq compiled by a Florida National Guardsman and called "Ramadi Madness"...The videos were described in 1,200 pages of documents released by the Army Friday in response to a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union...
SallyH:
Hon, I wish my son was still at the soap making age.
He's at the stage where he wants to see something dramatic and flashy.
I keep the Epsom Salts hidden from him...
Afghanistan Near "Drug State" Status
Oh, and if the LJ spawn learned how to make soap, he'd try to mix it with gasoline to see if he could make Silly Putty.
How--HOW--did I get such a child...?
Good grief, that other thread was the pits.
Not so sorry I missed it, then. 
It got very trollish last night, too.
Where are you again, CS (state is fine)?
LJ,
I'm smack dab in the middle of redstate Kansas, and the temperature was 73 today.
It's enough to raise one's spirits.
here now is some truly disturbing news...
Return of the Backstreet Boys
Backstreet's back, all right! The Backstreet Boys whose hits such as "Everybody" and "As Long As You Love Me" catapulted them into popster superstardom in the '90s, are ready to stage a comeback.
The megaselling quintet announced plans to play a string of U.S. club dates starting Mar. 21 in New York in preparation for the release of their as-yet untitled upcoming studio album in July--their first album since 2000's Black and Blue.
It got very trollish last night, too.
They seem to be on Double Top Secret Red Alert lately. I wonder why that might be...
Alberto R. Gonzales: America's First-Ever Hispano-Rican Attorney General, Takes Your Questions on "Ask the White House"
As a devout Texas Christian, I believe in the word of Jésus. And I'm pretty sure, if you had an army of Heritage Foundation lawyers vet the New Testament, you'd find the passage where it says 'The ends justify the means – especially when some dirty sand monkey terrorist gets jumper cables clamped on his Allah-loving little chorizo.
CS:
You know, I kinda liked Kansas when I visited there way back when. Something weird always happened to me in Kansas. F'r instance...
First time I was there, Mr. LJ#2 and I stopped at a motel in Hays, Kansas. We flipped on the TV, and what do you think came on the screen? You guess it. Wizard of Oz.
Oh, and Kansas has the cleanest restrooms I've ever seen.
Backstreet's back, all right! The Backstreet Boys whose hits such as "Everybody" and "As Long As You Love Me" catapulted them into popster superstardom in the '90s, are ready to stage a comeback.
I demand that you shoot me now.
Oh, this is rich. Newsmax is saying Russia moved the WMDs out of Iraq, now.
Did they quote a General Jack D. Ripper, talking about how he figured out the Russian's evil scheme after realizing his loss of essence was as a result of their having sapped and impurified his precious bodily fluids?
"..Wouldn't it be nice if you could play both sides, sometimes even simultaneously?"
class act all the way.
james
Breasts madly inflating and deflating suggests a mental picture of The 3 Stooges doing porno. Must be late.
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Maybe we'll be nameing Italy an Axis member again after 60 years out! Big Wheel Keep On Turning!
Am I the only one who thinks "Newsmax" sounds like it should involve softcore porn? At least in the latenight timeslots, anyway.
if you mix soap with gasoline, i think you get napalm. could be wrong
Breasts madly inflating and deflating suggests a mental picture of The 3 Stooges doing porno. Must be late.
Perhaps they could show it on Newsmax...
Heck, I don't know if it's napalm or silly putty. He was talking about both today.
I'm, uh, concerned, either way!
I demand that you shoot me now
Shoot you now?!?
Oh, and Kansas has the cleanest restrooms I've ever seen.
That's because of the signs along the highways that say "Clean Restrooms Next Exit."
Some folks take that to heart.
PRESIDENT "W" BUSH and DONALD RUMSFELD both want the Iraqis who were tortured by Americans to be given compensation.
HOWEVER they do not want American POWs who were tortured by the Iraqis to receive similar compensation, or have a right to sue.
In fact, President Bush had the Justice Department fight AGAINST our American POWS in Court!
Apparently President Bush, and Donald Rumsfeld, believe it is okay to torture American POWS.
http://www.vetsforjustice.com/
I thought it was gasoline and styrofoam for napalm, though...
Shoot me now!!
"It got very trollish last night, too.
They seem to be on Double Top Secret Red Alert lately. I wonder why that might be..."
It means their mother's haven't washed their underwear in weeks and it chaffes and reeks within the close confines of the basements, hence they are in a pissy mood.
...ha-Ha-HA-hA!
Just 7 percent of adults said they read blogs at least a few times per week, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll. Forty-eight percent said they never do.
I don't see a problem with wanting to make your own silly putty.
You might want to throw it at an evil neighbor's house and see what happens before you let the kid play with it, though.
Just had a conversation with a friend's family member. We were at a party when the guy started up the notion that was recently covered discussing how christian men should be masculine, and more Braveheart-like who truly act the way true christian men are supposed to act.
Overhearing the convesation the wife nudged me not to get involved. My friend also gave me the
'wink wink = I know, I know. Just avoid him please?'
But how would I be able to maintain my persona as the site's asshole extreme if I did not step in to correct this bozo?
So I applauded him for his promotion of man's animal nature and thus, his promotion of the tenets of evolution when he discussed how men should behave more aggressive and 'manly'. All of them aspects of our former animal past.
Naturally he quickly countered that this was a liberal view, then asked me if I was one. I stepped a few steps closer and said 'Yes. Yes I am.'
Next came the typical gloating over the election. I told him I voted for Bush. It was a lie, but it caught him totally off guard so he did a quickstep back "say wha?"
"I voted for Bush. You no speaka eengleesh?"
He seemed shocked and asked why I voted for Bush. I told him it's because I was gay we gay guys stick together. He and I both like guys with purtty lips and rubbing people's heads. Plus I was glad he backed off the anti-gay marriage amendment I like knew he would.
He shut the f*ck up the rest of the night.
Jackass. If he truly were a manly man he'd of fought back against the concept but it seemed like he truly worried that Bush was secretly gay.
If I had another hour I could have probably had the guy questioning his own sexuality. MORON!
MYOB'
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Another Goofy Bush Photo
Shoot him now, shoot him now.
Eli:
The "kid" is almost 18. If he wants to experiment with possible napalm, he can do it in his own home, not mine!
sallyh, i have a vague memory of making soap in some science class around middle school. i can't remember what the point was. something about an acid/base reaction, i think. had to do with ph maybe.
Look at Bush in this picture from today. What kind of drugs is this man on?
Made my own play dough as a kid. All I can remember is it used incredible amounts of salt. But it did work and lasted quite a while.
If he wants to experiment with possible napalm, he can do it in his own home, not mine!
Actually, I was thinking of something else that's *kinda* similar to silly putty...
No idea what the ingredients are, tho.
Anonymous
He looks like he is doing a Robin Williams imitation. or is it the other way around?
But it did work and tasted quite well.
That it did, my friend.... that it did...
Another Goofy Bush Photo
Speaking of the Three Stooges, Bush here looks like he's getting set to hit the woman with his microphone, Moe Howard style.
Ripley a bit of selective editing there?
napalm recipe #1
1 part motor oil
1 part liquid soap
2 parts gasoline
recipe #2
1 cup gasoline
8 styrofoam packing
peanuts
i looked it up.
Just 7 percent of adults said they read blogs at least a few times per week, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll. Forty-eight percent said they never do.
Which is probably about 8 times as many adults as watch CNN.
Mr. LJ#2 mentioned something about silly putty as some kind of Cub Scout experiment he did. Liquid starch and elmer's glue? Does that sound right?
Ah, Kansas! It was nice here in Johnson County too, although not quite 73.
Sometimes we get days like this in Jan or Feb, blue skies and around 70 in the middle of winter.
Of course 3 or 4 days later it could be 20 and snowing.
James, Re: the Gropenator, class act?
IIRC, when Arnold was doing the rounds publicizing a movie, (T3, I think) he spoke in an interview with a Film rag of how much fun it was to insert into the film a scene where he got to push a womens' head into a toilet.
According to Arnold, it was too good an opportunity to pass up, because:
"how often do you get to do that?"
As an experienced hand in Hollywood, Arnold knows that details make the scene come alive:
"maybe you could also have something floating in there. (laughs)"
Yeah, a class act, all the way.
Hey, Ek, I type em like I see em at first glance... lol
Liquid starch and elmer's glue? Does that sound right?
Add 3 hookers and it's Vegas, baby, Vegas!!
"what kind of drugs is this man on?"
-anonymous
no single drug can produce a high such as the one our current preznit maintains. it is a mix that is carefully tailored for each occasion.
One of the most stoned people I've ever seen in my life was in Hays, Kansas. She was my waitress at some diner.
You good folks suppose the trollz are so bent out of shape lately because the S.S. Piratization is sinking under the waves with a loud, sustained farting noise?
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One of the most stoned people I've ever seen in my life was in Hays, Kansas. She was my waitress at some diner.
LJ
Was she single?
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Wasn't there some recent movie about people growing dope in Kansas?
"Liquid starch and elmer's glue? Does that sound right?"
Revenge of the spurned Launderer.
You good folks suppose the trollz are so bent out of shape lately because the S.S. Piratization is sinking under the waves with a loud, sustained farting noise?
I'm sure it's just a total coincidence...
I've noticed they're coming in little gangs lately.
Warr-i-ors! Warr-i-ors!! Come out and plaaaaaayyy.... klink klink klink
Fielding?
Yes.
Psst. Chemistry is our friend. If you know what I mean.
Also books, music, poetry, art and quantum physics. 
Olaf -- lye and lard makes traditional soap.
Believe me, I know -- my family's generations are long, and my granny and my mother used to stand out in the yard in the summer, during the late Great Depression years, stirring a big, boiling pot of lye and lard (this was Mom's version of the 'walked five miles to school barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways' story we all know and love). I got to hear this story any time I ever complained about anything when I was a kid, and though I'm sure they think I never heard it, I still remember it quite well.
Another Goofy Bush Photo
At congressional hearing, reservists complain of health-care inconsistency
http://www.estripes.com/article....4&
article=27535
Philo, we may end up there again, the way things are going....
Fielding Mellish
I suspect that it is that and many more things. It is curious that the ballyhoo on the Iraqi election has been so damn subdued. And then the Lebanon and Saudi events. It is still no where near the pitch in the news that other issues have been. I would think the NeoCons would be dancing in the streets and trying to hook up a date with Coulter to celebrate.
Fielding:
Sorry, hon, I didn't ask.
LJ,
Hays is the Armpit of Kansas.
Speaking as a lifelong resident, I'm even afraid to go there.
Olaf--I discuss physical states of matter, pH, chemical equations, and organic and inorganic compounds, which gives me a chance to talk about hydrogen , covalent and ionic bonding.
Ripley
Such a bad film that is still fun to watch.
Heh Sen Durban on the C-SPAN replay talking about the Republican SS "plan":
"We're all in this alone"
lye and lard makes traditional soap.
Really? Sounds more like a typical Republican.
HOWEVER they do not want American POWs who were tortured by the Iraqis to receive similar compensation, or have a right to sue.
That might get in the way of the Iraqis using that money to compensate Halliburton, Bechtel, Worldcom etc. etc.
http://www.bloggerradio.com/
2005...na_senator.html
Heh, Ft. Hays.
I've been there...
once.
Good evening Riply, and all you other commie free thinkers...
We used lye and glycerol + vegetable fat. The lard gives off a horrible smell.
"lye and lard make soap."
-philostopher
yeah, i think that's what we used. lye is a base and i think lard is acidic (fatty acids?). maybe i'm wrong. it is a vague memory. i remember weird stuff. for example ivory doesn't float because it's "pure". it floats because it is full of tiny air bubbles.
I discuss physical states of matter, pH, chemical equations, and organic and inorganic compounds, which gives me a chance to talk about hydrogen , covalent and ionic bonding.
I am soooo turned on right now.
Ripley, I spend a lot of time where you were in the last thread -- ready to make a break for it. It's why I always make sure to plan landscaping for the following year when the winter is nastiest here in the midwest.
And I'm not sorry the last three generations of my family stretch back into the 19th century, either -- there's lots I know how to do that many have forgotten. I always hope I'm keeping my chops up for my own entertainment, but ... hell, maybe it ain't that at all.
lye and lard makes traditional soap.
Really? Sounds more like a typical Republican.
You're thinking of lie and lard.
The lard gives off a horrible smell.
Like I said...
Psst. Chemistry is our friend. If you know what I mean.
Also books, music, poetry, art and quantum physics.
LJ
Have I mentioned that I like the way you think?
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The lard gives off a horrible smell. i think it is due to the decomposition of the tetra-carbon molecule, like corpesum...nasty
Lard is mildly acidic because it contains saturated fatty acids. Soap ultimately does maintain a basic pH because of all the OH groups.
lye and lard makes traditional soap.
Really? Sounds more like a typical Republican.
Thank you, Eli...
On that note I can go to bed.
If anyone's going downstairs, can you help clean up the mess? Gordon exploded.
Animal fats have no branched carbons and are saturated. Hence, the wretched smell.
Bush's SS plan reminds me of the last scene in that old movie "Atlantis, the lost continent" where the killer laser gets out of control and starts firing wildly all over the place, zapping people. The gopers are going to be running fast and furious from the Bush doomsday machine.
boy bands are the herpes of the music world. just when you least expect it, there's another outbreak.
also today, alanis morissette announced that she'll be releasing an acoustic version of "jagged little pill" to mark its 10 year anniversary. it will be sold exclusively at Starbucks for the first six weeks.
nothing says grrrl power like Starbucks.
what's next? a Creed reunion at the local Chipotle?
" The sociopath doesn't always come wielding a carving knife wearing a hockey mask; often they function on other less obvious levels. They are the people who stay with friends and run up thier phone bills ,only to vanish without ever paying back the debt. They are the people who make crank phone calls. They are the people who attack women for thrills, who abuse children . Sociopaths come as Andrei Chikatilo, or the mythical Hannible Lecter , but they also appear more subtly.
-snip-
Universal among socipaths in custody seems to be fervent religious devotion to god , to country and to far-right politics, often convoluted and misinformed ( As revealed in a stark variation in Charles Manson) "
Creed was a good band (technically) and I liked most of their first album. But when Stapp decided he was the 2nd coming... yeesh
What is a Chipotle?
I know about it in terms of food, but never heard of the restaurant.
It's part of McD's, Ek
Chipotle is the McDonald's corporation's chain of Mexican restaurants.
james --
Woo-hoo! And New Kids On The Block at White Castle! They'll put a sound chip on the coffee cup that plays ... uh ...
Crap. I don't know any NKOTB songs.
Oh, well ...
Creed was a good band,
oh Christ, I think I am going to be sick!!!
What is a Chipotle?
ground,flavored, and fermented jalepeno chili? good on eggs...
"Hannibal Lecter"
Strangely I never thought of the character as a complete sociopath. Warped and twisted, a maniac and a murderer, but he seemed a bit too warm and actually concerned to a degree over Foster's character.
also today, alanis morissette announced that she'll be releasing an acoustic version of "jagged little pill" to mark its 10 year anniversary. it will be sold exclusively at Starbucks for the first six weeks.
Is that for real? That's funny as hell.
So I can order a McBurrito?
Scratch that, I never asked that. Never ask that in this crowd. Never.
i think chipotle is dried jalapeno pepper.
if i may allow myself to blogwhore for a moment, here is a post about scott "jesus christ pose" stapp's transformation into the sta-puf marshmallow man and his growing likeness to the singer of a Creed tribute band.
peppers all have different names when they are dried.
By "good band", I was speaking about their musical prowess, of course. I'm not saying their music was great but they were good musicians.
I'm a guitar/bass guy, raised in the hair band/guitar god days, so I tend to look at bands from the technical side sometimes.
Steely Dan, Fountains of Wayne, The Living End, Puccinni, Mozart, Tonic, Ambrosia... my faves are probably out of favor for most, I guess..
EkCenTriK : yeah , I get you entirely , but that was a quote from the book in my homepage link .
it goes a long way to explaining trolling , and I wave it at them like a monkey head.
Peace all
OT, but I am amazed that the fundies are not in a snit over HBO's Carnivale. I love the show myself but it seems to be under the radar. No one seems to be talking about it. Am I the only one watching?
Is that for real? That's funny as hell.
S in Mich
yep, that's for real. thus insuring the continued misapplication of the term "ironic."
Chipotles are ripe (which is to say, picked red, not green) jalapeno peppers slow-smoked over mesquite. The past couple of years we've grown and smoked our own. Smells better than lye and lard, I bet!
Chipotle is the McDonald's corporation's chain of Mexican restaurants.
james
Jesus Christ on a pogostick, what's next - Sauerkraut, the German chain? Uji for sushi?
It would be so refreshing to see just ONE multigazillion dollar megacorp decide that they had enough market share.
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What is a Chipotle?
Chipotle is smoked jalapenos.
james, you get it! I'm not the only one that thinks Stapp believes he's Jeebus! lol
The Living End are a really good band. I have all their cds, even the imports. I saw them with Jet and the Vines on the Aussie Invasion tour.
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Hah!
Speaking of musical astrocities, I'm listening to Faster PussyCat covering "You're So Vain" on Sirius.... even I have to say WTF???
Chipotle is apparently also some chain burrito restaurant. But why would we eat THERE, EkC, when we have so many great local restaurants that will put that wannabe to shame?
How about those ads for that hangover prevention pill? Now that is something the fundis should be angry about. Somebody can drink and drink and then not feel like crap the next day? Hangovers are God's punishment.
Spike, I can't find them around here. I have ModArt but can't find anything else, thought I haven't looked that hard. Reccomendations?
Man, they just blow my mind for a trio. That's an awfully mature sound for some Aussie kids....
Am I the only one watching?
Yes. Deadwood on the other hand....
Chipotle is McDonalds corporation? Cripes.
I knew it was red, but I didn't expect that.
Have I mentioned that I like the way you think?
Well, that will be a first around here...
"For my next miracle, I'm gonna turn this water into FUNK!"
I won't eat at any Mexican restaurant here that has more than one facility. Why the hell would I do that in San Antonio? Good grief...
"For my next miracle, I'm gonna turn this water into FUNK!"
could you make my funk-the P-funk...
...where is Backslider when i need him?
Man, LJ... I remember San An... there was a (fuckin) fantastic little Mex place along the riverwalk.
I thought I'd died and gone to Mexico. Oh hell, now I'm just mad that I can't have any of that now.
"Chipotle is apparently also some chain burrito restaurant. But why would we eat THERE, EkC, when we have so many great local restaurants that will put that wannabe to shame?"
Surprisingly, as I just returned from grabbing an apple in the fridge, I was thinking exactly that.
I got hooked on Chachos but lately they haven't been so good. Henry's is pretty damn good but I seldom get a chance to get there. One problem is we used to have tons of incredible places to go but they seem to be dying off or the quality has changed as a whole.
Rock over London
Rock on Chicago
Wheaties--the breakfast of champions
We actually have great local restaurants in our town. We've got the usual fast food crap (no LottaBurger, this is SoCal), but so many great, reasonable local places.
...got the usual fast food crap (no LottaBurger,)
...but you do have FatBurgers and In-and-Out...que no?
I gotta tell you CA folks... yeesh..
I was in San Francisco for two weeks over Xmas and you can't get a decent steak there to save your damned life! Well, not for under $50, anyway...
Up east they had so-called Mexican restaurants called "Chi chis". My junior high kids laughed their asses off every time they saw them. Not to mention A-moco stations.
I'm sorry that I got fat.
Rock over London
Rock on Chicago
ChiChis is a huge chain, roc... it's the TGIF of Mexican food... and beer.. and what have you..
I think we ordered them off their web page.
http://www.thelivingend.com/discs/
I won't eat at any Mexican restaurant here that has more than one facility..
LJ
I have to confess - I struggled with an addiction while in Texas. A terrible, all consuming lust for Chuy's.
Thanks a bunch, guys. Now I have a craving for a big ole margarita and no fixings in the house.. 
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rococco:
Am I the only one watching?
nope. me and my (eat that grammar fiends) girlfriend are maniacally obsessed. we binged on the first season a couple of weeks ago and now we stay up late on sundays until the file is finished downloading to watch it.
Any recommendations, Spike?
How about those ads for that hangover prevention pill? Now that is something the fundis should be angry about. Somebody can drink and drink and then not feel like crap the next day? Hangovers are God's punishment.
sekmet
If I'm not mistaken, the only thing one needs to do to prevent or mitigate hangovers is to consume mass quantities of water before going to bed. The worst ravages of a hangover are due to dehydration, if I'm not mistaken.
Not that I would know anything about this!
Focus, indeed we do. And at Fatburger, they play real blues.
we watch Carnivale here at Casa Roja/Verde.
can't figure out most of what is going on, but still intrigued, despite the weird Tarot interpretations in earlier shows. clancy brown a plus.
but "Deadwood", ah, Deadwood returns on sunday night, all those lovely coxsuckers.....never heard a more eloquent man than al swearegen on a troubled saturday night in his gambling hall and whorehouse...
hangover prevention pill
this has got to be modern snake oil. right? has anyone tried it? would you admit it even if you had?
LJ,
Chacho's was my exception to that. But as said they are going down hill. Jacalla's, Henry's Puffy Tacos and a few other places are pretty good. Taqerias are a crap shoot. There is one on Vance jackson though folks have been giving good reps to. And all the little places I used to go to are gone.
Up east they had so-called Mexican restaurants called "Chi chis". My junior high kids laughed their asses off every time they saw them. Not to mention A-moco stations.
rococco
You'll have to explain the joke, if it's other than that Chi Chis' food is lousy and not terribly authentic.
I grew up with Amoco stations, so I don't see the joke.
Well, Wile E, I rarely suffer from hangovers. And I've been so drunk I've fallen down in the street...in front of a cop car.. and don't remember it, other than stories I was told... so drunk I crapped my pants once. well, maybe twice... ok, two times... god, get over it!!!
So, in conclusion, yes - water helps one avoid hangovers.
Martha's used to be excellent as well, but in the last couple of years they got really weird. Last visit we made (their broadway location), offended us, grossed us out and sent us packing it was so poor.
never heard a more eloquent man than al swearegen on a troubled saturday night in his gambling hall and whorehouse
Yes, don't fucking call me Al has quite the way with words
Can't wait for the new season to start.
Cereal Breath, my daughter in her drinking days tried them a few times. Never did shit for her.
I was in San Francisco for two weeks over Xmas and you can't get a decent steak there to save your damned life!..
Ripley
Forget that noise! You've got to go for the seafood in San Fran!
I've always said that if I had unlimited funds, I'd move to either San Francisco or Monterey. What about you late-nighters out there? What's your dream city, either here or abroad (abroad for me would be Amsterdam)?
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Ripley:
You'll have to be specific. We have quite a few Mexican restaurants on the Riverwalk.
EkC:
I still like Los Barrios and El Jarro de Arturo. Rosario's is just too Californianized for my tastes, like Wolfgang Puck cooks Mexican. Karam's isn't what it used to be, and Paloma's could be much better.
I find myself taking a chance with the mom-and-pop taquerias on the south or west side. There's a place down on Hackberry and Kayton (I think). Fiesta Cocina. Great food, at cheap prices. There was a place out near Scherz, too. Can't remember the name right now... And Ruben's Tamales are still great.
Focus, indeed we do. And at Fatburger, they play real blues.
Sallyh
i know been to Pasadena, don't know why i thought you were in UK Sallyh... sorry
Texas Addiction.
Taco cabana at two in the morning on the way home after bar hopping.
Lol Wile... I grew up with Standard stations and when they changed to Amoco, my Mom called them "UhMOEco" for a year or two... good times...
but "Deadwood", ah, Deadwood returns on sunday night<
just watched my first episode tonight. it lived up to its billing.
this is what you do when you don't have cable television (hbo), always a year behind. except now with this downloading thing...
Ripley, you're in LA ever, I'll take you to the GOOD places. And they won't break you, either.
Cereal breath, thanks. We rented the first season just to watch it again to see if we missed something. Which of course we did. But still, I think its so much better than Deadwood. If I want to hear people cuss, I can just go to work.
Oh, and I hear La Fogata is on an up swing these days. Take it while you can. When they're good, they're one of the best.
I hadn't tried Martha's yet. Thanks for the heads up, though. I'll know to avoid it until I hear better things about them.
What's your dream city, either here or abroad (abroad for me would be Amsterdam)?
New York or Portland (OR). New York will always be home, and it has *everything*, plus it's close to most of my family (I *think* that's a good thing...), but I really really liked the summer I spent in Portland, even though enough stuff went wrong that I shouldn't have.
just watched my first episode tonight. it lived up to its billing.
It gets better too!
I recently watched it again on DVD and enjoyed it even more than seeing it the first time.
Fielding, I wanted a transfer to SF in the worst way but it hasn't happened yet.
It was so quiet in the financial district. gotta love the elec busses. It's exspensive but so is Chicagoland...
Focus, sally is in the UK. I'm in SoCal. That's why I hook my surname initial to my name.
So, you were not mistaken at all.
kayton? Hhmm, not sure where that is, I used to live just off Hackberry. Patty's Taco house which was like a block away has always been mentioned in good terms, but was never open when I had a chance to get a meal. It closes before the dinner hour. (And Browns, if they are still there, do no waste your time).
Absolutely agreed on Rosarios, the old place or new. Karam's I haven't been to in over 25 years. Both again the old and new location. Ninfa's in the old days was great, but her second shot on 281 sucked wind.
by far, the best cure for a hangover is another drink or two. any alcoholic knows that.
My dream city, besides the one I live in, is Rome. Truly the Eternal City.
Chi chis are breasts and mocos are boogers. Like i said, its junior hi humor.
but I really really liked the summer I spent in Portland, even though enough stuff went wrong that I shouldn't have.
summers in the pacific northwest are sweet, and this is coming from a hard core east coaster. it's the endless gray death of a winter that kind of fucked with me. it drizzles for like three months, never rains just drizzles. o.k. it rains sometimes but mostly, just drizzle.
What about you late-nighters out there? What's your dream city, either here or abroad (abroad for me would be Amsterdam)?
Home: Portland, OR (where I lived for a few months once) or maybe Boston, MA.
Abroad: Rome.
LJ, I was down there on a church trip. Met the most amazingly beautiful 17 yr old (I was 16, btw) there, we were both musicians, pen pals for a few years and now...
All I have are the memories of Deb and some hella good burritos and gorditas.
Went there a few years later with the folks and, oddly, it wasn't the same.
Youth, how have I wasted thee!!!
So, you were not mistaken at all.
Sallyh
thanx, even so - the Kings Head in Santa Monica on 3rd street- great bangers and mash...
I will venture out one day to Martha's at Babcock and see how it is. We used to go there weekly, but when we moved to the S/E side it was a bit distant. Then the Broadway location opened. Shame, it was excellent too.
What I really miss is an old local chain called El Rancho. Not quite authentic food, but it had the taste and was always good.
Course as a disclaimer, I used to manage a few of them in the far distant past. And my main store was the best. It used to be in what is now the Jade Dragon on San Pedro.
Melbourne.
How to avoid a hangover.
1. Never drink liquer after drinking beer.
2. Don't be an idiot. You don't have to get so shit faced that you can't walk.
3. Drink on a full stomach, esp pasta.
4. Stop drinking a few hours before going to bed. This is also a good time to drink a lot of water.
5. There is no shame in puking esp outside BEFORE you come into my house, just chew some gum or something afterward.
6. Take B12 in the morning along with more water. Get out of bead and do something like mow the yard or take a walk.
Wile E! You have excellent taste in dream cities
I fell in love with Rome.
What about you late-nighters out there? What's your dream city, either here or abroad (abroad for me would be Amsterdam)?
here- Manhatten
there- Korfu...
Chi chis are breasts and mocos are boogers. Like i said, its junior hi humor.
rococco
Thanks! My Spanish runs thin after "Yo quiero Taco Bell."
Ripley,
I remember Standard stations, but they became Amoco when I was pretty young, IIRC.
I liked Rome, heck I loved all of Italy
2. Don't be an idiot. You don't have to get so shit faced that you can't walk.
Spike, what the hell were you doing in Sheboygan last weekend and why didn't you say Hi? Geez, stuckup...
Spike:
It's that or Whataburger. Most of the time, I pick Whataburger. Taco Cabana is very hit and miss for me, food-wise.
EkC:
If you know where the Post Office is on Hackberry, Fiesta Cocina is easy to find. If you're driving toward I-10, it's the post office, Little Red Barn (awful steaks) then Fiesta Cocina. That may be Rigsby, not Kayton. I think the Post office was at Hackb & Kayton.
And Italy loves you, Old Man... btw, you left your pope here, can we ship it to you?
great bangers and mash...
focus
I think bangers are sausages, but what's mash? To me, it's something you use to make bourbon..
Any foreign film freaks out there, TCM is showing Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible, Part One in a few minutes.
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btw, you left your pope here
I'm not into Popes. Sorry.
Sallyh,
I too fell in love with Rome, after one of those junior year abroad programs in college.
Until I strike oil or win the lottery or something, though, I find I'm able to get back only every few years. Much less often than I'd like.
but what's mash?
Mashed potato.
LJ the little place on the corner opposite of Lil Red Barn? (that is Rigsby by the way).
Odd, we always had good good at the Lil Red Barn. Steaks were a bit thinner or smaller in the last decade or so. Our families have been going there since the 50's or near bout. It has changed a bit, they just got off a cash basis a few years ago. And some of the waitresses had to be retired .
Longing for TexMex food? Come to McAllen. Its the best.
i know been to Pasadena, don't know why i thought you were in UK Sallyh... sorry
focus
Perhaps because you're confusing her with "sally" (no h), who comments here from time to time and is in the UK.
Agreed on Whataburger. They just have a long wait normally when getting your food.
Taco Cabana? Can't say much good there at all, over priced for very little.
Never got to go abroad. Probably never will. I'm resigned to it now.
I'm pretty much living in my dream city. I love San Antonio, for lots of reasons. Besides, it's close enough to my mother that I can be a loving daughter, and far enough from her that she doesn't drive me crazy.
Whataburgers are great at two in the mornings. Rudy T used to make commercials for Taco Cabanas. I always thought that he was a man who could be trusted on issues of drinking and late night dinning.
I live in the Grand Teton Mountains.
Rococco:
Honey, I used to live in McAllen, and I will say a hearty AMEN to that. My mom still lives down there.
I've always had a great time in Italy. Wonderful people, great scenery, amazing history, good food & wine, and the weather's not bad.
Time to call it a night. Hopefully a big day of photography ahead tomorrow.
Yoicks... And away.
thanks Wile E., i have been since edified...
Any foreign film freaks out there, TCM is showing Eisenstein's Ivan the Terrible, Part One in a few minutes.
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Fielding Mellish
I'm going to watch at least part of it.
I think I prefer Alexander Nevsky to Ivan the Terrible, but it's been a while since I've seen Ivan, and even longer since I've seen Battleship Potemkin.
Rococco
I have a friend in Pharr who is always trying to get me to come down and visit. He uses the food gambit as one lure. Haven't bit yet only due to time and distance.
I wasn't impressed with Little Red Barn. The salad was pretty good (loved the pewter bowls--kept things cold a Looooong time), but the steaks just weren't that great. I'm picky about my steaks.
Texas Land and Cattle has a Peppered Sirloin that I rather like. Other than that, I hate to say that the best steak I've had in town, thus far, is at Ruth's Chris. I haven't tried Morton's or the Palm yet, so I'm reserving best in town until then. But that one at Ruth's C was damned good.
focus,
Sorry, didn't see Sallyh's explanation before I commented.
Ruth's Chris does do a good steak, but a little expensive with having to order the sides extra.
Last really great steak I have had here was a place called Choo Choo's, but it is long gone as well. They also had some fine Tex-Mex. We lost it about the same time we lost a fantastic Tex-Mex place on Evers.
Bummer, I am getting old enough to lament businesses that haven't been around in at least a decade, hell two.
I've always had a great time in Italy. Wonderful people, great scenery, amazing history, good food & wine, and the weather's not bad.
Word, Old Man.
LJ, you were AF right? Ever go to Zinter's Daughter in San Angelo or Joe Allens in Abilene?
Spike:
It's been about two years since I've been there. Did they change the meal? Mine came with some sides.
Heck, it's expensive, anyway. I won't discuss how much Mr. LJ and I spent on our anniversary dinner there...
My Russian's not good enough anymore to track Ivan in the background and blog so I'm signing off 'till tomorrow.
Good night, gentle moonbats.
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EkC:
I was stationed at Keesler and at Ellsworth, SD. Wanted to see the world. Got frickin' Ellsworth.
I don't know about all of them, but the ones in Baton Rouge and New Orleans I think you have to order your salad and baked potato and such extra.
LJ, my condolences.
Spike:
My salad was extra. But the sides with my meal weren't. Can't remember what they were now. I guess I was too impressed with my steak.
[cricket sound]
Wile--did you remember to toss your coin over your shoulder at the Fontana Trevi?
They started off in New Orleans. Good place to eat.
White House hooker.
The scandal-plagued Bush administration.
Rikki... don't lose that number. It's the only one you own.
You might need it, if you feel better
When you get home
I'm just sayin, in case there's a Rikki lurking here that has a number they shouldn't lose.
I guess we can add talk of good food to the list of repellants?
This moment of peace brought to you by the good folks at Troll Chow™.
Troll Chow™ - they're growing even while they sleep. Watch them purr and leave the sciencey stuff to us. What.. you're going to start your own troll food business? In this economy? Are you kidding??? LMAO
Good food, books, movies, music, travel...all the wonderful things in life, and not only that, they double as troll repellant.
Dear lord... I'm all alone here... there's no one else... just me...
Well, at least I have my books... oh no! my glasses! my glasses! How will I read? HOW WILL I READ?????
Cafe du Monde on Decator is a great place sober up before going home.
Ripley, you sound like me.
I guess we can add talk of good food to the list of repellants?
LJ
Hey, tried you anchovy/spaghetti sauce and it was great.
Sally, I've had the sniffles lately... or is that not what you meant?
Good night, gentle moonbats.
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Fielding Mellish
We prefer genteel moonbats.
Incog! errr... I mean, He Who Shall Not Be Named
I have that as well, Ripley. had a sinus infection for nearly six weeks now.
Sallyh,
Perhaps I've been tempting fate, but I haven't done the coin toss yet, and I've been back twice so far.
I have always relied on the kindness of genteel moonbats...
Dear lord... I'm all alone here... there's no one else... just me...
Well, at least I have my books... oh no! my glasses! my glasses! How will I read? HOW WILL I READ?????
Ripley
Time Enough at Last!
I guess we can add talk of good food to the list of repellants?
LJ
By Jove, I believe she's got it!
[/Henry Higgins]
Lol Wile E, they used that in the Family Guy - as the last brain cell. Quite funny, as I recall.. if I recall... do I recall?
It's just me again, isn't it? Well, at least I have my books.
If only Big Brother would stop looking over my shoulder...
i think chipotle is dried jalapeno pepper.
Olaf glad and big
No, it's smoked in its own sauce.
chilies [chee-POT-tleh] peppers are smoked jalapeno chili peppers and are also known as chili ahumado. These chilies are usually a dull tan to coffee color and measure approximately 2 to 4 inches in length and about an inch wide. As much as one fifth of the Mexican jalapeno crop is processed into chipotles.
http://gourmetsleuth.com/chipotle.htm
I guess we can add talk of good food to the list of repellants?
LJ
I cannot wait to have my kitchen back, so I can make my famed lamb curry again. and my award-winning baklava (not actually award-winning, though I was hired by a restaurant to make it for them once they tasted it. Secret recipe).
And this new recipe I found today: Pan-seared yellowtail snapper with asparagus and creamy idiazabal cheese...
Oy!
Oh, Incog, aren't we All smoked in our sauce?
Hmm.. I'm hungry....
Oh, Incog, aren't we All smoked in our sauce?
I tend to be sauced in my own smoke. As is, I imagine, Backslider.
Deadwood fucking rules...
cannot seem to get into carnivale though...
Just who do you liberal traitors think you're fooling with all your talk of eating steak and mexican food?
LIES!
you know you just eat bean curd and not-dogs
Cats are weird.
Not to jinx anything, but this be one of the pleasantest threads in some time.
And Ripley, as someone who was fortunate enough to live in SF for a few years in my mid-twenties (that is, about eight or ten years ago) and who still lives in the bay area but never gets to the city -- it is indeed a great place, but way too expensive. I'm sure I had a decent steak at some point (we got some good beef out our way too, despite what you might think), but it's true that it's better for the kinda fancy-pants elitist fusion type cuisine. (And good old fashion seafood.) Course some of my best memories are going for burritos at 24th and Mission when the bars closed (no, it ain't New York; you can't buy a drink past two). Like the stupid Anglos we mostly were we'd always talk about getting the beef brains burrito, but none of us ever had the cojones, no matter how drunk anyone was.
"Any Democrat who still offers praise for Alan Greenspan after his latest propaganda supporting the Bush attack on Social Security should be dumped by the party and voters alike."
James Wolcott
http://jameswolcott.com/
I think Bush is going to stay with his plans to dismantle Socical Security come hell or high water. This is the most ridiculous shit this country has ever been through.
I eat the hot dot every day (fuck you, Uptight Right), cooked by a rumored illegal alien, with fries. I mean, I eat the hot dog with fries, the illegal alien doesn't have fries. Although, he may, since he's cooking them.
Hell, what we were talking about?
Lucky Dogs rule when you have had a beer or two. They are located throughout the French Quater.
But is the alien tagged with an electronic monitoring device? That's all that really matters...
you know you just eat bean curd and not-dogs
my girlfriend was a vegetarian when i met her, constantly a freezer filled with pun-named meatless products (tofurky. ha ha). i used my secret anti-liberal powers to slowly coax her to the dark side. now she eats pepperoni on her pizza. score one for evil.
btw, i never said that.
sdf, the best two weeks of my last several years were there. Also the scariest, due to corp credit card issues. But I loved walking around there and only wished I had the free cash to hit the many strip clubs (I kid.... or do I?).
But I really liked the town and the people I met there. So friendly and helpful and.... move here-ish... lol
Spike--I'm heading back to New Orleans, where I used to live and bartend, in a couple of weeks, for a mini-honeymoon (the big honeymoon comes in May, and may well get me fired, but c'est la vie).
Lucky Dogs are an experience, yes, but rather too pricey for all the chemical-laden deliciousness. And Cafe du Monde (4 blocks from where I used to bartend) is a great place to be around 4 or 5 AM, just before hiking on over to the Mississippi at dawn. In fact, once while tripping during Mardi Gras, I sat and du Monde watching all the drunks blow powdered sugar all over each other, and a thoroughly inebriated woman leaned back too far behind me while laughing uncontrollably; I was telling a tale and gesturing, and next thing I knew, drunk woman was on the ground and her shoe had landed in my hand.
An odd moment. I helped her up and restored her shoe, as would any Prince Charming such as my tripping self.
Lucky Dogs rule when you have had a beer or two.
would you like some fecal bacteria with that compressed meat log? wait, that is no insult to the lucky dog guys. they seem nice, i'm just sayin' that maybe washing their mitts after they poop ain't always the highest priority.
it's late. typing this post actually made me chuckle.
Oh, and as far as Austin is concerned: Chuy's is okay; El Caribe is much better. Ruth's Chris is good; Austin Land and Cattle is much better.
OMG My buddies and I had this huge bash every year. Tons of beer and booze, tons of meat on the grill. One year, buddy's wife buys "beef product" hamburgers to save money.
We reamed her all nite. (Shut up, Jeebus!) B'eef? Neef? Near Beef? Eef? Not Unlike Beef Product? She was pissed - we were hungry....
Great story rorschach, always something going on down in the Quarter 24/7.
Beef product?
"Now with 10% less old shoe leather!"
Huzzah!
cereal breath,
A little bacteria is not going to stop a native from eating a Lucky Dog given enough beer.
6th Street in Austin is a great place to party. I have eaten a lot of the little places there, but I can't remeber their names.
rorschach:
i forgot that you are a new orleans refugee. i went there two weekends ago.
great time. the town still had that post-mardi gras hangover. if you get a chance i highly recommend heading out to the barataria preserve in jean lafitte state park (only about 20 minute ride from n.o.). you can rent a canoe from a roadside bar and they just drop you in the bayou. no guides. we saw an alligator and about 30 different birds. great relaxing side jaunt from the madness that can be the parish.
This society is so screwed up, it's hopeless.
The parish. Do you mean the little club above the House of Blues or Orleans Parish?
Alligators used to chase us when we were little kids. We would sneak up on her nest. We swam with them, too. Really some stupid things we did back then.
rorschach, when the wife and I lived your way we were quite fond of Fonda San Miguel I think it's called, up on North Loop (we lived up in that direction not far from the state police). Bit on the pricy side but good food, if I recall.
Ripley, funny thing in SF is that people there can be inviting or not. (I had one friend who constantly complained about the dating scene being too high strung.) Depending on what circles you end up running in, you can feel like everyone you meet is from somewhere else (particularly in the young professional groups). Sounds like you had a great experience.
that would be pricey side if I could type/spell
Really some stupid things we did back then.
Here lies George W Bush
The only reason we stopped swimming was when the dog with us that had swam out with us was bitten by a water-moccasin snake.
"Any Democrat who still offers praise for Alan Greenspan after his latest propaganda supporting the Bush attack on Social Security should be dumped by the party and voters alike."
I'd settle for his head on a pike.
Bush Sets Up Social Security 'War Room
A new Social Security war room inside the Treasury Department is pumping out information to sell President Bush's plan, much like any political campaign might do.
It's part of a coordinated effort by the Bush administration. The internal, taxpayer-funded campaigning is backed up by television advertisements, grass-roots organizing and lobbying from business and other groups that support the Bush plan.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbi.../
030402381.html
rorschach:
i forgot that you are a new orleans refugee. i went there two weekends ago.
great time. the town still had that post-mardi gras hangover. if you get a chance i highly recommend heading out to the barataria preserve in jean lafitte state park (only about 20 minute ride from n.o.). you can rent a canoe from a roadside bar and they just drop you in the bayou. no guides. we saw an alligator and about 30 different birds. great relaxing side jaunt from the madness that can be the parish.
I have been out there about a dozen times. I don't rent canoes; I walk the paths, and during certain times of the year the cottonmouths are just lying all around in the sun and roiling the water with mating. Also have come across alligators on the path, jaws gaping, just to let you know to stay back. Beautiful place. (My ex is from Westwego, so she introduced me to it. That's one thing I still have from that ill-advised union.)
sdf--
Interestingly, Fonda San Miguel is the restaurant in which we informed my future in-laws of the engagement (wedding in 7 DAYS now! Aieee!). Their goat-milk ice-cream crepes with goat-milk caramel sauce render all other desserts pointless (other than my own baklava, of course!)
Head on a pike it is, then.
One sellout citizen-hating motherfucker comin up! Care to superpike that inhuman bastard? You want scorn with that?
Is the Potential AIPAC/Neocon Scandal About to "Blow Up"?
The FBI has twice raided the offices of the influential pro-Israeli lobby and subpoenaed AIPAC officials. The feds are apparently looking at whether AIPAC officials passed classified information obtained from Bush administration officials to Israel. If true, this could be a rather explosive scandal.
http://www.davidcorn.com/2005/
03...he_potentia.php
Lol Wile E, they used that in the Family Guy - as the last brain cell. Quite funny, as I recall.. if I recall... do I recall?
Missed that Family Guy, sad to say.
"Time Enough at Last" is one of my favorite Twilight Zone episodes.
Sorry for the delay in answering. I took tim eout to check out the Tragedy thread.
What a trollfest!
And not even SMART trolls, either.
Trolls... I say let's call them Breadfans from now on...
damned breadfans!
One sellout citizen-hating motherfucker comin up! Care to superpike that inhuman bastard? You want scorn with that?
Ripley
I am tired. Time for me to get some sleep.
Good night, all.
This cat's off to bed...
Nite, hanging-around freethinkers
Welcome, newly arrived freethinkers
Quien Es Mas Macho ... Jeff Gannon or Rip Taylor?: "Not that having a gay man in the White House Press Corp is a problem, but at this rate we might as well contact Howard Stern or Saturday Night Live for a correspondent. Maybe former SNL regular Tim Kazurinsky could re-introduce his line of ice cream delicacies from the Carvel sketch, including 'Jingle Buns', 'Santa Snowballs', and 'Peter, the Yule Log... in vanilla for $4.95, or chocolate for $19.95!'"
I'm turning in, also, with mah cat. Niters all.
~ahem~ Actually, after reading that once it was posted, I don't actually have a pussy or anything.
fuck you
"Gunner Palace" does what no book, no news article, and no blog can do — it makes the soldiers of 2-3 FA come alive for those experiencing the movie, in a way they could only do if they were in person. The movie shows little of the war as we see it on CNN or in DOD press conferences; you don't learn about grand strategy or tactics, or the push/pull of victory and defeat. Instead, what you hear are soldiers' stories — from the privates to the sergeants to the captains to battalion commander LTC Bill Rabena. Some war stories will never make the nightly news.
My English prof is making me write from Bobo's perspective.
I have to add a chain of logic to his fallacious arguments. Like that's possible.
One could only wonder if David Whore-o-witz is full of shit about dem librul prufessers.
My English prof is making me write from Bobo's perspective.
I have to add a chain of logic to his fallacious arguments. Like that's possible.
Think of it as a useful exercise. If this class is not called a creative writing course, it certainly is in practice!
"Greenspan still enjoys broad respect. Last April, a Gallup poll found that the public had more confidence in Greenspan's economic advice than in that of Bush or congressional Democrats."
Washingtonpost.com
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...9-
2005Mar4.html
Dana Milbank is full of it. This statement is not refined at all in her article. Attempting to make a rational point, Milbank states "Greenspan still enjoys broad respect." I think I'd rather have someone new at the fed.
"Greenspan still enjoys broad respect."
Who, may I ask, is or are the broad(s) in question?
Perhaps at last I shall find some sleep, but I wish to leave with...
a request for songs for my nuptials! We need to dance the night away. Please leave any suggestions you have for fun fast or slow dance tunes here. The original request is here, and has around 30 comments suggesting things...
Great site - pick your state and your trade offs and look at the result.
http://database.nationalprioriti...woa/wa/
tradeoff
Federal Budget Trade-Offs
State: Michigan
Choose Program: the cost of war in Iraq
Choose Trade-Off: All People Receiving Health Care
Taxpayers in Michigan will pay $5.8 billion for the cost of war in Iraq. For the same amount of money, the following could have been provided:
1,443,896 People Receiving Health Care
rorschach, you want mp3s?
NYMary--I am so out of the loop, I barely know. All I know is that my SO and her bridesmaid-type-person are burning a bunch of CDs for the (extended) dancing part of the evening. I am guessing mp3s burn readily to CD? If so, then, yes!
Forgive my all too evident ignorance, if you will...
morning free thinkers!
excellent site, oakland, thank you.
Hey Atrios, are you aware that Zack Exley (of MoveOn.org) has been employed by Tony Blair? Don't forget Blair supported Bush when no-one else did. Have a look here; http://www.bloggerheads.com/
arch...ssage_to_th.asp
yes, CDs are made of mp3's. I'll send a couple.
mornin' her eyes!
I'm going to a wedding & bluegrass jam (one in the same for them) here in a few hours.
My wife's cousin is marrying a feller whom I've jammed with many times at this big festival here in Michigan. I kind of expect many familiar faces playing music today.
Maybe we'll come up with something for you, rorschach. Hell, it might even be original knowing this group of people.
morning NYMary!
only 3 more years to go under this maladministration.
Rorshach, what ever happened with your brother & the wedding? Any resolution?
also, has anyone noticed how rampant the trolls have been lately? when i first started posting here, they were few and far between, but now, they are on every thread throwing out all kinds of idiotic crap.
all i can conclude is that whatever we are doing here, whatever progress the dems are making, it must be working. bush's numbers are dropping. that must be inciting the trolls.
her eyes,
Yes, I've noticed that, too.
Maybe we'll come up with something for you, rorschach. Hell, it might even be original knowing this group of people.
Now that would kick some ass. And now that you have raised expectations...
and tinfoil:
my brother is coming but will not participate. He sent me a long explanation, which I as an atheist find to be complete and utter bullshit, personally, but which I also, as one raised Catholic, can at least understand intellectually.
Anyway. He'll be here. He won't get in my way. End (not really, of course, we're brothers!) of story.
I do appreciate the concern.
The good point is that my brother's absence from the party means my ribald friend George can stand in, and that can only lead to lively incidents!
all i can conclude is that whatever we are doing here, whatever progress the dems are making, it must be working.
I have noticed that, when here, but I truly believe that trying infer significance whilst viewing the behavior of trolls is akin to attempting to discern the value of the speed of light based on the movements of ants.
Not, of course, to insult ants.
have you guys seen any of the artwork that Bilmon has been working on lately?
Morning all.
Re trolls. We all know they eventually go away when ignored, yet for some reason many decide to engage them in futile, circular arguments. I can only conclude that some people just like arguing.
i guess you're right.
anyway, best wishes on your wedding rorschach.
Oy. And my "bachelor party" is slated to begin in about 13 hours, so I reckon I might need to do some sleepin'...
"Republican media adviser R. Gregory Stevens, recently co-chairman of the Bush/Cheney Entertainment Task Force, died in a guest room at the home of longtime friend and actress Carrie Fisher. He was 42."
hmmmmmm
Like I say rorshach - ya never know with this (suspect) group of people who might show up. I've been going to this festival for 17 years now, and there's some mighty fine musicians who tend to show up at things of this nature.
Just don't raise them expectations too high. We might be too high, after all....
As Homer Simpson says: "I like my beer cold, my homosexuals flaming, and my groups of people suspect!"
I may have gotten that slightly wrong. At any rate--hell, do what you can, Barndog. It's all lagniappe.
Remember, old hippies don't die... we just get stondeder.
Er, something like that.
Oh, look - brownies!
Most of the troll(s) here are ONE GUY who has done this stuff for the last seven years on the net. He has an easy to recognize style and he has a record of changing his name on a daily basis.
He periodically yells at me when I explain who he is, his first fake name was "Rosie" when I and several others uncovered the fact that he was male, we did research, he is a pasty white male who lives in DC and is supported by his family.
He is a Republican. He is connected thanks to his family. I won't put in his name and ID only because this doesn't do any good.
Some publications have used lawyers to stop him but generally, they closed down their forums because he can be a pain in the neck.
I will note here, his is VERY SUCCESSFUL in making people curse him and scream and yell and the forum disintigrates. THIS IS HIS GOAL. Far from being "defeated" his is wildly successful here.
DO NOT TALK TO OR ABOUT HIM. If you need to, just talk about how he is killing forums by making people talk dirty about him and how he monopolizes the forum. ONLY talk about NOT talking about him if you can't control yourself.
THANK YOU.
I can see Atrios killing the forums if this continues. I know the pattern. DO NOT FEED THIS MULTI NAMED TROLL.
Um, okay, Elaine.
Look, brownies!
Note how my participation rate is dropping.
I can't stand reading the threads now. Even when a new thread opens, every says, "wow, it is clean here, hope no trolls show up".
Well, guess who made the threads "dirty"?
I am increasingly annoyed with posters here who think they are "winning" an argument by being nasty to this individual who doesn't give a fletch for anyone's feelings. He racks up points by counting how many people wasted time and space and ALIENATED READERS by responding in a childish fashion to his expert pokings.
He is an expert, you know. His goal is to show that "lefties" are stupid and creepy and noxious.
thanks Elaine, you're right of course, and as a rule, i try to ignore them. they don't generally have too many barbs at me, they feel i'm not enough of a target, or whatever,
have a nice day all. be back later.
Brownies!
Please remember, you have an audience here. I lurked for several months before bothering to post. Now I post a lot.
But the last three days has been so annoying, I skip 90% of the threads except to pass through the names of the Rosie troll to see his latest incarnation (he uses dead names a lot, you notice, or Democrats) and when I see it, I know the thread stinks thanks to people responding inappropriately and stupidly.
It is the stupid stuff that really annoys. Snarking jokes don't work here because he adores snarky jokes. He used to send me e-mails begging me to snarky joke with him but after he helped kill the Time Magazine and American Prospect forums, I just purely hate him.
And am annoyed he has targetted Atrios. He is doing a bang up job of killing the Atrios forums.
Gads, he has wrecked many a forum. They don't come back when they die.
'Morning, all.
Rorschach -- you're getting married!? Congrats!
I am increasingly annoyed with posters here who think they are "winning" an argument by being nasty to this individual who doesn't give a fletch for anyone's feelings. He racks up points by counting how many people wasted time and space and ALIENATED READERS by responding in a childish fashion to his expert pokings.
He is an expert, you know. His goal is to show that "lefties" are stupid and creepy and noxious.
Well, this particular person seems to be succeeding in your case, as you seem to be growing alienated, yes? So in your case, he is close to scoring a victory. I hope it doesn't work.
I hate it when trolls derail threads too, but then again, what the hell does "derail a thread" even mean? The very metaphor implies a certain path, and a certain destination, whereas the truly successful thread meanders and winds in unforeseen directions...
I just might make a pledge here...to mock and attack anyone who talks about Rosie or who posts stuff making obscene sex jokes about Rosie who loves this too much.
Instead of treating Rosie enablers as good people and friends of Atrios I will treat them as destroyers of a once fine forum. People who are interested in only haveing sex battles with a very messed up right wing TOOL.
The winner of these battles is the one who makes lurkers see that Atrios posters are really sick people who are nasty and annoying and so on. Get my drift here?
The "muck" that has wrecked these threads here are ladled out by supporters of Atrios. This is DEADLY.
So I am no longer begging people to stop. I am demanding people stop. Last warning.
Elaine -- for what it's worth, I regret my own interactions with the trolls. I just find it inexplicable that they do things that in real life would, at minimum, get them thrown out of someplace on their pointy little heads.
And I've long hated being mocked, especially by people making the stupidest arguments. The impulse to challenge every single one of their points, so that nothing is left to be accepted by implication as so often happens in the corporate media, and then stomp their smarmy faces in, rises in me so quickly I can't help myself sometimes.
I am sorry for whatever discomfort I might've contributed to your enjoyment here because of my own actions. I can't promise it won't happen again.
I wish Atrios would go to a registration system.
'Morning, all.
Rorschach -- you're getting married!? Congrats!
filkertom
Morning, filker! Indeed, in exactly one week and eleven hours. It shall be a grand affair, as full of strangeness and beauty as the relationship itself, I assure you.
Elaine is right. I don't know if it is the same person or not, but when we respond he wins.
It's hard though completely ignoring it because here is one of the few places we can fight back without worrying about getting killed like that poor judge's family.
Anyhoo! To continue the meme from upthread. What is your favorite city. Manhattan is probably mine, but I really enjoyed Nice years ago.
Rorschach, "derailing" a thread means turning a thread into a long toilet session about nothing.
There is so much to talk about, I don't want to read crap.
Upthread, someone points out an article by Milbanks saying Americans LAST YEAR support Greenspan.
This is an important article because Milbanks doesn't talk about THIS YEAR and Greenspan is losing support all over the place. Three years ago, Democrats were crying tears of joy that Greenspan was guiding us. Now they hate him, a very significant change.
I hated Greenspan for about thirty years. I was a l one voice in the wilderness much of that time. Now I find many people agree with me.
I hated Greenspan for years because he is a Skull and Bonesman who is a right winger. Thus, good reason to fear and hate Mr. 322.
... on the other hand.
Your last post, Elaine, seems to be a variant of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em." That would be a more complete victory than anything any troll could do to an individual thread.
I do not say this in comedy: Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Do not, in your frustration, join the Dark Side.
Here's a story I tried to link to earlier, if it doesn't come out right, you can click the link under Homepage.
It's not too long, read the whole thing to get the heart breaking, Paul Harvey-would-be-jealous-, denouement.
Elaine,
I like you, but you can't enforce what people will or won't talk about. Troll baiting is pointless, certainly. I ignore them, almost all the time. Most here do. Some play with them, that's all.
QL -- I have a great fondness for smaller towns. Living in Ann Arbor is just about my speed. But Chicago and suburban Orlando are not bad. Stratford, ONT is wonderful.
My point is simply this: To make the argument that certain people should be ignored in an open forum is like spitting into the wind.
You cannot, you simply can not, force everyone to act as you wish. Therefore, there's always gonna be someone who at least says, "Fuck off." Nicht wahr?
And, oh yeah. Congrats on the wedding. My husband and I met walking in opposite directions on 14th in Manhattan. Our eyes locked and I knew he was gonna be a major part of my life. We were both in other relationships, but they immediately fell to wayside. After six weeks, we started to live together, then got married in 1972. Two kids, ups and downs, but he is still the man for me.
How lucky can you get?
rorschach -- most excellent. I can't remember if I've got your e-mail, so e-mail me something, and I'll send you something back in the next couple of days. I think you'll like it.
There is so much to talk about, I don't want to read crap.
Short answer: Surf away, and read something else.
Good morning all. I agree with Elaine, I try to persevere and have a discussion but it's hard lately when nobody responds because they are too busy talking to trolls.
Right now CSPAN is reading Frank Rich's latest column, about the state of the media, and having a call-in on that topic.
The economic news: talk about a very mixed bag! The stock market is up because jobs are up. Jobs aren't appearing in corporate America because I see nothing but wall to wall consolidations and mergers and layoffs.
But the miliary/industrial complex is blasting away, producing like mad thanks to the grinding war.
So more jobs, etc.
Only our budget is way out of whack now. Congress just gave the military/industrial complex more special funds! Which we have zero money for!
So back to rattling our cup overseas, seeking Asian dollars.
This is all a very bad nightmare because of this the price of oil is through the roof yet again. Six months ago, our rulers told us, via the "news media" that the price of oil will decline to $35 a barrel by MARCH and here it is, March, and the price is well over $50 a barrel and climbing, I note, my gas purchases are now all over the $2 a gallon again and climbing.
This isn't in the news so the stock buyers are happy whoo hoo.
In the news: Canada is raising the price of natural gas AGAIN because of "cold weather". The Big Squeeze is beginning.
This has dire financial and social side effects.
Good morning.
Re: trolls. Two things --
First, the Hunter Thompson troll snapped his cap and split when he was ignored. So I think ignoring them works.
Second, I think having so many show up and so often, is, in some ways, a good sign. I think it means that they are not terribly secure in their power. If I had as much power as their side had, I might lurk around a place like this just to hear what the other side had to say, but I certainly wouldn't bother engaging them. They would be too small potatoes for me.
QL -- yowzah! Now that's a long and grand friendship. Fantastic.
My e-mail's on my site, filker, though it tends to get dropped here for some reason. Looking forward to it!
Do you get what you need from the news? get your phone in hand and call C-Span, Washington Journal now to bitch! Now. 1 202 737 0002.
Good morning fellow seekers of truth…
Huzzah for Elaine!
I too, pledge to cease all troll interaction from here forward.
Experience has taught me that there's always going to be somebody...an a-hole in traffic, a chatty idiot sitting behind me at a play, some dictatorial fool at work, whatever, who seems bent on ruining everything for those of us who are trying to be better people and change the world around us.
How come I'm capable of dealing with those irritants in a real world yet I become incensed when I encounter them in a virtual environment? Enough I say!
Elaine is entirely correct. Their desire is to dissemble and derail and they shall not have that deed enabled on my watch any longer.
also, has anyone noticed how rampant the trolls have been lately? when i first started posting here, they were few and far between, but now, they are on every thread throwing out all kinds of idiotic crap.
Morning, all.
It's cognitive disassociation time for the trolls. Their boy gets back in and really starts fucking things up, and suddenly even Chimp's supporters are going, "We elected this asshole?" Things we've been saying are coming true, and people are noticing. It's too much for them (trolls) to take. Ergo, the incoherent ramblings.
And face it: they were never too coherent to begin, so just gibbering like crazy people spending their days pushing around shopping carts full of old soda cans isn't that huge a stretch.
The gang here who tells us to go surf somewhere else: just remember, when you kill off all lurkers by alienating everyone, you win what???
Eh???
Tell me.
Why do you post here in public? Don't want readers? Can you select a different forum for this?
Atrios doesn't want everyone to go away, he wants us to talk about politics and to do this for some purpose in the end, to perhaps extend the benefits of LIBERALISM?
And so we, his guests, owe him the courtesy of doing this? And when troll fights end up making threads a nasty noxious mess, doesn't this defeat Atrios' full purpose for even running this place?
He is here to help us?
Can we help him?
Does trash talk help Atrios? Does it make us stronger? Better? Advance our cause?
Please think about this before this thread is destroyed. Right now, Rosie is sleeping which is why I post in mornings, mostly. The threads are readable during the early hours.
Elaine -- it's a big concern for me. No one in Washington seems interested in actually making the country's economy function properly. I wish that some genuine CEOs would come forth and describe how their companies would collapse if they ran them as "the CEO President" is running America.
It is, however, a whole lot of other people's fault. Congress, Greenspan, and the CM are still enabling BushCo.
If we slide into third-world country status, I shudder to think of what will happen with the rest of the world, economically and militarily.
My basic guidelines are as follows:
1) If troll shows up and strikes you as silly, ignore if you have better things to talk about.
2) If troll shows up and strikes you as silly and you don't, then feel free to mock the troll.
3) If troll shows up and people are mocking the troll and you feel that this is in some way a victory for the troll, take a computer break. Shut it down and drink one of the following (depending on your tastes):
cup o' chamomile tea
or
shot o' bourbon
This is just a working theory, mind you. So you would probably be wise to ignore it.
The "Hunter" character was Rosie and he did NOT go "away" he simply dropped the name.
I can bet you 100% he will be here when he gets up in three hours under a new name.
Note how, recently, he has taken to attacking me by name. He knows his game is up when I showed everyone who he is. He has a STERLING record of destroying...yes, DESTROYING forums. Not ruining them for an hour, DESTROYING THEM FOREVER.
He knows how to do this, it is a fine tuned enterprise he has carefully honed over the years. He has many notches on his little gun, please, do not assist him.
It's not too long, read the whole thing to get the heart breaking, Paul Harvey-would-be-jealous-, denouement.
Read that when you linked it last night -- one of the most amazing, tear-inducing things I've read in ages.
Oh, and good morning all...
Rorschach, you may think you are victorious against the "trolls" only it is one man. And you lost every round with him. You thought, each time he "went away" that you "won" only you lost and he and I know you lost because you look worse and worse after each encounter. Although some posters here talk nice with you and stroke you, I think you are ruining our forums with these destructive engagements.
It also destroys you in other ways. Please take this as friendly advice: when you get dirty with Rosie, you end up dirty. Please don't. It doesn't work.
If we slide into third-world country status, I shudder to think of what will happen with the rest of the world, economically and militarily.
The rest of the world will go on without us. It doesn't all revolve around us. Some other country will take our place. The British though their empire was indispensable too.
Who misses them now?
Yep. Got it, Elaine. Nasty trolls a-comin'. Bar the doors, batten the hatches, and ignore the elephant in the punch bowl. Got it.
You are now derailing a thread by talking incessantly about trolls derailing a thread.
Take a deep breath.
Our empire: when empires die, millions of people die with it. One way or another.
This is why, as our empire grew arrogant and bloated, I repeatedly warned about imperialism's dire downside. Deflating one isn't nice or quiet or easy, being big, they tend to crush many when they collapse.
Rorschach, you may think you are victorious against the "trolls"
No, I don't, actually.
Although some posters here talk nice with you and stroke you, I think you are ruining our forums with these destructive engagements.
Some do talk nice with me, though none stroke me.
If you actually look at what I've said in Atrios's comments, then you'll see that I occasionally mock the trolls, but at least as often, I promote shutting them out. Have a look, if you actually care.
Honestly, you are sounding a bit, well, Rosie-esque this morning. Is the troll back?
Thirty years ago, when we warned about imperialism, we were told we were insane. America isn't imperialist (hahahahaha).
Now the imperialists are so emboldened they say, "Yes we are an empire and now we will use our big stick to rule the world".
And this is provoking WWIII.
filkertom, hi.
I'd tend to agree, Karin, except for two things. First, we are the largest bloc of consumers in the world, and a sudden loss of all that money would mess up a whole lot of economies.
Second, whether or not anyone in Washington or anywhere else would care to admit this, we have been the world's policeman for a long time. And a lack of threat of American intervention, or at least American deterrence, would make some of the more unstable types feel a little safer about using various weapons and techniques they don't now.
I do not say this to give any credence to Chimp-boy's "logic" or policies. But I don't like to think about South Korea's chances without the US to back it up, or India and Pakistan's sitting down for a nice chat, or several other hot spots around the globe.
We've had that kind of influence for decades without even having to say or do anything, but Dubya is frittering it away.
Filkertom and Rorshach: I type fast. As you can tell, I am an old hand at posting at forums, since 1988 when you had to be at a university and the net was very very small.
This is why I give "free" advice.
Thank you.
You are now derailing a thread by talking incessantly about trolls derailing a thread.
Agreed. I find the troll hunters on this site as or more annoying than the trolls themselves.
The rest of the world will go on without us. It doesn't all revolve around us. Some other country will take our place. The British though their empire was indispensable too.
Who misses them now?
Did someone whisper the word "China"?
And:
I repeatedly warned
You? Repeatedly? No!!
Hey, Res Ipsa. How goes stuff?
rorschach, is Rosie a variant of Schizoid Rob?
On consuming: America is the top consumer, we consume way more than our fair share of the planet. 6% of the planet pigs out on 25% of planetary resources.
This is a good cause for war, not sustainable at all especially when the Americans are running very deep in the red on all fronts.
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"I type fast, therefore I give free advice."
Name-stealer?
Elaine--
You are welcome. Did you really post a comement praising your own typing skills? That's really a very odd thing to do.
... just parsed it better. "I'm an old hand at this, therefore I give free advice."
Still wondering.
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I caught the PBS program "NOW" last night. It was an 1 hour show when Bill Moyer was there, but PBS cut it down to a half hour with David Brancaccio as it's host. The other half hour is now turned over to the WSJ editors, who then disseminate insidious lies and hateful fraud.
I used to contribute to PBS but I have real problems supporting them now that Tucker Carlson and the WSJ are given so much of their airtime.
Americans think the world WANTS to have us consume a huge chunk of the world's output. We think, this is the GOAL of world trade: to shovel everything into our nation while everyone else does without.
Why is the price of oil going up? We have to think this through. We are by far, the number one consumer of world oil. Hitherto, we got to pig out on oil and it remained cheap. Now we have competitors for world oil and we don't like it one bit.
Think the world wants 60% of the world's energy funneled into America?
Is this moral? Good? All we have done is use it to pollute. Kyoto Accords were made to help us stop polluting and we rejected it totally.
We are still polluting. The ozone hole over the Arctic is bigger than ever. And it is extremely cold there right now, -110 the other day, because the atmospheric blanket is gone.
rorschach, is Rosie a variant of Schizoid Rob?
filkertom
According to this Elaine ranter, yes. But this Elaine ranter is sounding more and more schizoid itself, so who the fuck knows?
Back to reggae wisdom: I and I
BTW: Has everyone been reading James Wolcott lately?
He's got a stellar piece from yesterday about Mr. Spacely of Spacely Sprockets, er, I mean Alan Greenspan up on his site.
Bad at tiny url...
http://jameswolcott.com/
It is 11 degrees outside and I look out my window and instead of seeing spring a coming, it looks like January with deep snow.
And no sign of spring anywhere. It is snowing in Europe.
Pollution that destroys the ozone layer has many deadly side effects. Even as we create "global warming" we also enable the cold of outerspace into our warm planet by poking a huge hole in our sheltering sky!
This see sawing effect isn't good.
First, we are the largest bloc of consumers in the world, and a sudden loss of all that money would mess up a whole lot of economies.
It will happen gradually. That's why you see all these other countries engineering a soft landing for the dollar. As far as consumption, we consume too much already. It's not sustainable. And large countries like China, India and Brazil have growing middle classes that will be buying things.
And a lack of threat of American intervention, or at least American deterrence, would make some of the more unstable types feel a little safer about using various weapons and techniques they don't now.
I think our intervention has been a great destructive force in the world. We're the ones who refuse to sign treaties against using 'various weapons' such as chemicals, nuclear, land mines, etc.,etc. It's time to put down the white man's burden.
... strange.
Sigh. Well, I'm still on a borrowed computer until later today, and I have to yield it to its rightful masters. Catch you all later, gang.
oh, great. the NTodd blogbot is on.
Speaking of which. On the way home last night I saw a big yellow hummer parked on a Queens street, with of course, a support the troops magnetic ribbon. Come on guys, of what earthly use is a hummer in NYC? Good mileage while sitting in traffic, easy to find parking? Come on. I couldn't key the car cause: a)I am just too damn law abiding; and b) the street was really crowded. All I could do was flick my cigarette at it.
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Almost as annoying as a troll!
You're going all Jungian on us, with the archetypal categories into which all embodied comments fit, you clever dog.
(No, not you, Cairo!)
The program "NOW" had a segment with the author, John Perkins, of a book called, "Economic Hit Man." Perkins revealed that the US used huge loans from the World Bank or the IMF to fund major projects in third world countries that they knew the country could never pay off. The reason they did this? So they could control the country by getting their vote at the UN, or getting them to send soldiers to a US war zone, or to cede territory for US military bases.
The huge projects also were of great benefit to the rich in these countries and were of dubious value to the rest of the population.
NTodd, are you in NY or VT?
I will note here that some here have decided to attack me.
Be my guest. I don't lose my temper easily.
As to this forum: ask Atrios if he likes what is going on. If he says he wants his site to be a noxious stew, then it is his kitchen. Bon apetite.
yes, I'm fond of the NTodd blogbot. It's a simple program, I assume.
QL in NY...
Key the Hummer next time. You'd probably get a round of applause from the passers-by.
And stop smoking. I hear it's very bad for humans.
Rudy,
I've heard about this scam. And who is they want to send to the World Bank? Wolfowitz?
rorschach, did you get the CD yet?
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Back to reggae wisdom: I and I
And Jah loves. Don't forget that.
Easy Skanking, bro.
Far from retreating, Bush presses forwards with his program: Pro and Con Line Up as Bush Presses Social Security Effort
By ANNE E. KORNBLUT and SAM ROBERTS
Published: March 5, 2005
OUTH BEND, Ind., March 4 - Stepping into a rapidly escalating battle for public support, President Bush tried to jumpstart his uphill drive for personal Social Security accounts on Friday, asserting that the retirement system requires a drastic change and challenging skeptics to put their own ideas forward.
Despite widespread evidence that the public is wary of changes to the benefits system, Mr. Bush did not retreat from his plan to divert some payroll taxes into individual accounts. Instead he shifted his language a bit to emphasize the parts of Social Security that would stay the same, describing the popular program as a "safety net" and borrowing a term for the types of accounts some Democrats have favored, "add-on" accounts outside the Social Security benefit system, to now describe his version of private accounts.
I've heard about this scam. And who is they want to send to the World Bank? Wolfowitz?
The Wolfman is considered, but most think they Euros will kill that idea.
The other option is the CEO who was just let go from HP. No bargin there, either.
Okay, I have to tidy Chez Thersites before out big city adventure. Ciao, all!
I know a lot of people are feeling NOW is going to be over since Bill Moyers is gone. But I'm hopeful that David Brancaccio will do a good job. I've been listening to him on the radio for years, and I like him. It's a bitch that PBS cut it back to 1/2 hour, though. No turkee for them.
I also watched the WSJ segment on PBS, or as much of it as I could stand. They did a piece on the Chilean conversion of their Social Security plan to "privatized accounts" such as our depraved moron, Bushboy, wants to do.
The piece blared about how much money this was pouring into the Chilean economy to build roads and fund private enterprise, but it also admitted that the costs of the program were high and that the return to Chileans who retired was so small, many of them have to continue to work AFTER retirement to make ends meet!
Once the piece was done, the question was asked by the WSJ editor of one of his guests, what he thought of the Chilean experiment.
He forcefully declared that it was a great success!!!
Success my ass!!!
Karin: Nope, not yet, more's the pity. But it shall arrive soon, I trust.
NTodd: On account of because.
Big Daddy Mars: That Jah does. However, I shall never forget that day in Oxford when a Rastafarian (Jah bless them all) threatened me with a meat cleaver...
Of course, Bush plans to let "part" of SS stay, ie, cut it drastically but leave some pathetic shred left as a "safety net".
I remember old ladies who never worked who were over 100 years old in the sixties. They all had to go to welfare for food money. None of them liked the humiliation of showing poverty so I would have to go in with them to fill out the forms and argue with the staff.
Fun fun fun.
Today, women now have SS so they don't have to beg for help. Back in the sixties, the old ladies had already retired when SS was invented, being over sixty back during the Great Depression.
NYMary:
I guess it has been how the US has truly operated a global empire without stationing troops all over the world.
Instead, they sucker the country into huge, bad loans and then hold a gun to their head anytime we want them to act in a certain way.
Actually, the rich in these countries do very well by these situations, while the working people become peons and serfs.
Big Daddy Mars: That Jah does. However, I shall never forget that day in Oxford when a Rastafarian (Jah bless them all) threatened me with a meat cleaver...
I had a similar experience in Chicago once. Really shook me. To the guy's credit, though, he apologized a few days later, saying he'd had "stress," and we shared some ganja later. Very mellow.
Note how Bush has changed the message, making it another "free lunch" proposal:
One proposal in circulation would allow individuals to invest in personal retirement accounts on top of their current payroll taxes, as an "add-on," rather than diverting payments from the existing system. Mr. Bush has been cool to the "add-on," approach, but he used that very phrase on Friday to describe his vision for the plan. Under his proposal, Mr. Bush said, income from a private account "goes to supplement the Social Security check that you're going to get from the federal government."
"See, personal accounts is an add-on to that which the government is going to pay you," he said. "It doesn't replace the Social Security system."
Has everyone been reading James Wolcott lately?
Love me some Wolcott.
The GOP knows that the voters have a hard time passing up free goodies. So they have decided to reframe the SS argument into "you will get all your due SS payments PLUS extra money in investments! You will be a millionaire".
This is how they sold the tax cuts. Originally, the tax cuts were only for the rich. Then they threw in a sop for the working poor and viola! Won support.
This is yet another scam in another cloak. They know benefits will have to be cut only they won't tell anyone this until it is too late.
I had a similar experience in Chicago once. Really shook me. To the guy's credit, though, he apologized a few days later, saying he'd had "stress," and we shared some ganja later. Very mellow.
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Oddly, although perhaps not, the denouement of my little story is pretty much the same...
John Perkins, who was the "Economic Hit Man," described in his book said that 50,000 people/day die in third world countries from things such as starvation, poor sanitation and curable diseases.
Most of those who die are children.
It's interesting that the Bushboy regime which pretends to care so much about "life," does so little to mitigate these deaths, when preventions are known and affordable.
In fact, former Treasury Sec., Paul O'Neill went to Africa a few years ago with Bono of the U2 singing group and came back with a plan to improve clean water sanitation for cheap dollars all over the African continent.
Bushboy wasn't interested.
News from Italy on the BBC we won't see in most of America:
Italian press shocked by shooting
Saturday's Italian papers are dismayed at the tragic sequence of events that followed the release of journalist Giuliana Sgrena, held hostage by insurgents in Iraq for a month.
"Giuliana Sgrena is free - her liberator is murdered," reads the simple, uncompromising headline in Il Manifesto, the Rome daily for which Ms Sgrena works.
"A hero dies to save Giuliana" is the message on the front page of another Rome paper, Il Messaggero.
O'Neill went on to write a book and was hammered by the GOP until he recanted.
What a dork.
had a similar experience in Chicago once. Really shook me.
You should feel what it like to have a naked Bob coming at you with a viagra suppository up his ass. It is like being chased by a naked mole rat/
-Liddy Dole
The GOP knows that the voters have a hard time passing up free goodies. So they have decided to reframe the SS argument into "you will get all your due SS payments PLUS extra money in investments! You will be a millionaire".
This is how they sold the tax cuts. Originally, the tax cuts were only for the rich. Then they threw in a sop for the working poor and viola! Won support.
This is news?
And I mean that in two senses, both sarcastic.
First: Of course they're going to pull the bait and switch... They've done it so many times it's no longer news.
Second: Is it news? Nah. No one has the guts to report it, so how could it be?
fwiw, wolfowitz has declined consideration of the world bank position.
Elaine:
O'Neill did not go on to write a book. If you are referring to, "The Price of Loyalty," it was written by Ron Suskind and was about O'Neill's experience in the Bushboy regime.
There's no doubt O'Neill was angered when he realized that Bushboy was even more shallow, callow and arrogant than even a Gooper had a right to be, and there's also no doubt that O'Neill pulled in his horns after the rightwing hate machine turned it's blast on him, but it doesn't change the significance of what he proposed or that Bushboy was callous and hypocritical in giving it short shrift.
I missed what Greenspan said. Now I'm hearing he proposed a national consumption tax?
Questions for the morning:
Will Elaine admit that she was wrong in attcking me as someone who gives aid and comfort to the enemy?
And more importantly:
Will Elaine post comments, at least 80% of the time, in a style that approximates the notion of dialogue rather than monologue...
Only time will tell
Be sure not to discuss politics in here -the FEC frowns on that you know
What's the going rate for campaign fraud now a days?
Oh never mind - I'll just write my Democrat Congressworm and ask him.
aw damnitall Just remembered. He ran his last campaign without telling any of us about his terminal illness.
Matsui is deader then Dan Rather's career. Won't get no answers from him.
Oh ya. The attorney general Cruz Bustamonte was just fined for campaign fraud. I'll go ask him.
I keep telling everybody about this new world order shit, but nobody cares here I guess. You all just pick at the scabs that fly from TNWO and bicker with the trolls.
Thanks Rudy for your info, seriously.
love to all, bluesman.
This is yet another scam in another cloak. They know benefits will have to be cut only they won't tell anyone this until it is too late.
Which is why it's nice that the Democrats are talking about the GOP's real intentions, instead of the polite rhetoric. And why it's nice that Bush is so stubborn on this, because it's going to kill the Conservative movement as we know it.
I apologize. Bad jokes, and rather mean-spirited. When i get this irritated, I should sleep, I reckon.
Does anybody have the keys to this thing? We need a fresh pot of coffee.
Irritation: not good for digestion. Can cause ulcers and frowning.
Good Morning, America!
Today, we get offers of free cake to eat even as dinner is not served! Everyone can line up and get their slice...oops, Bush just dropped it!
bluesman:
What "new world order" stuff are you talking about?
I'm interested in hearing about it.
When i get this irritated, I should sleep, I reckon.
You need to rest up for the wedding. And I know you are not one of the troll feeders.
No one in Washington seems interested in actually making the country's economy function properly.
filkertom -
BOY HOWDY. Having worked in the corporate world for the last 25 years, the last 21 in a "mature" business (as opposed to a "growth" business where the money is generally spent more freely), where every penny spent on capital investment has to be justified ad nauseum and budget forecasts are ironclad, airtight contracts that best not be exceeded if the manager(s) expects to keep his job, the underwhelming interest in balancing the budget is puzzling, to understate.
For the life of me, I can't fathom why the heads of corporate America aren't calling for the entire government's collective head. That goes for repukes and Dems alike.
Even more surprising is the fact that the corps appear to be behind the repukes line of horseshit lock, stock, and barrel. When running their own businesses, corps are unsympathetic realists (for the most part) that are focused on the bottom line. I can't figure it out.
Just like car salesmen use all sorts of lures to get people to not read the bottom line, just like they have to sell "add ons" which is where the real profits lie, so Bush "sells" SS "reforms". If we don't bite one sales pitch, he changes his tune and tries again.
Far from defeating him, we are barely keeping up with his morphing of his message as he tries to find the right lures.
rorschach, did you get the CD yet?
Karin | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 8:22 am | #
How did the Westfield protest go?
I live in the area but I couldn't make it because I work in the city and couldn't get off.
But the idea that they had to pull out 200 cops to guard Bush in conservative Republican Westfield to provent protesters from heckling him about his social security plan was encouraging.
Nobody would ever mistake Westfield for downtown Seattle or the Castro.
Karin--
Thank you.
And good night, all.
I trust that Elaine's scattershot inanity will implicity lead all to ignore her...?
New Jersey has lots of brokers who work Wall Street.
They want our money.
Argh. How different would the world be ifwomen ran it?.
Not man-bashing, just curious.
When i get this irritated, I should sleep, I reckon.
You need to rest up for the wedding. And I know you are not one of the troll feeders.
Karin | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 8:53 am | #
Right wingers coming to this site and riling people up = good.
It forces you to make better arguments.
The only trolls that should be ignored or banned or simple vandals with no intent other than to disrupt like AM.
And to me some of the more enthusiastic troll hunters become so disruptive after a time they almost seem like trolls.
SWR, I was not able to get there myself, I had to be in Toms River yesterday. A friend of mine was suppposed to go, so I'll ask her. I did hear on the radio that Congressman Pallone was there. I also heard they kept the protestors several blocks away from Bush, as per usual these days. That pisses me off so much. I went to another protest when Bush was at a fundraiser in NJ last year, and they corralled us in the parking lot.
Hey, Rorshach, keep it up!
To other posters here: occassionally, some of us mention our private lives for various reasons, such as life lessons, etc.
We don't go on and on about it. Like getting married: geeze, is it that hard? I did it TWICE with no fuss, no muss.
Ditto the divorce.
fwiw, wolfowitz has declined consideration of the world bank position.
Oh, thank god for small favors. I guess the World Bank wasn't going to reimburse him for combs.
Hey, SWR-- I appreciate your taking the event of my wedding to pontificate, without even so much as acknowledging my wedding!
Well done, sir! You are a class act!
Right wingers coming to this site and riling people up = good.
It forces you to make better arguments.
Kind of like Nietzsche's adage "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"?
SWR: the "honing arguments" vis a vis "trolls" isnh't working. Far from becoming better, it seems to do the opposite.
This is why more than one poster here has begged people to stop doing it.
Thank you (I don't care if you hate me for this, I have a thick skin).
Rudy, they are the richest,most powerful people in the world. Their money and influence guide the overall.
You don't hear about them cause they can stay in the darkness and do their thing. Control oil. Control the value of gold. The elite of the elite.
Read Infowars.com, take it with a grain of salt, and go from there. War is money to these people and as most people know money talks, bullshit walks.
SWR: the "honing arguments" vis a vis "trolls" isnh't working. Far from becoming better, it seems to do the opposite.
Depends. There are annoying right wing trolls who force you to make better arguments and annoying right-wing trolls that don't.
The jackasses who were drowning out all debate by typing "KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE" to me were just as disruptive.
The problem with blogs (both left and right) is that they tend to be based on outrage (The Outrage Based Community) and will lead to tiny differences of opinion being magnified into differences that don't exist.
I also heard they kept the protestors several blocks away from Bush, as per usual these days.
It's bizarre that Bush, who has "won" reelection, STILL can't handle dissent and sells his programs to the choir.
I mean, how thin-skinned IS this guy?
Kind of like Nietzsche's adage "That which does not kill us makes us stronger"?
Billy B
Actually , Nietzsche argued that you can gauge your own strength by looking at the enemies you choose to have...
Thus, engaging inane stupid folk reveals a weakness or lassitude within yourself. Strong people have strong enemies.
Right wingers coming to this site and riling people up = good.
SWR-if you were able to have a coherent discussion with a troll, I would agree with you, but I don't see that happening. They just spout their party lines, which are totally canned, namecall, and harass and insult certain individuals, particularly women. Then it turns into a repetitive exchange of obscenities. I'd rather exchange information and analyze events and discuss tactics with like-minded people.
You don't change people's political opinions by screaming at them. You do it by gradually introducing new concepts and facts and getting them to question their assumptions.
A good way to look at the cost of petrol/gas -- which, of course, is still ridiculously cheap compared to most of the fucking planet -- is to think of it as being priced in sorta-euros already. That's to say, if you look at the USD/EUR chart for the past few months, the rising domestic cost mirrors the falling exchange rate.
That, of course, is the ideal response to any wingnuts who say they don't care about the falling dollar, because they don't travel abroad...
Hey reality based thinkers go to Juan Cole's blog and see what the neocons former favorite Iraqi is up to. It's headspinng stuff
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Saturday Cat Packing Blogging.
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It's bizarre that Bush, who has "won" reelection, STILL can't handle dissent and sells his programs to the choir.
I mean, how thin-skinned IS this guy?
Very. He's another pampered rich loser who will never truck with people disagreeing with him. I recall someone else saying he was the perfect "CEO President": he will never take criticism from his underlings. He will never listen to a dissenting view. He will never change.
It's bizarre that Bush, who has "won" reelection, STILL can't handle dissent and sells his programs to the choir.
I mean, how thin-skinned IS this guy?
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 9:08 am | #
It's the job of a democratically elected politician to stand up and confront his critics.
Bush simply doesn't get this.
Standing up and facing people who are harshly opposed to your politics (listening to them and being abused by them) is as much a part of your job description as collecting taxes.
For the life of me, I can't fathom why the heads of corporate America aren't calling for the entire government's collective head. That goes for repukes and Dems alike.
They are not calling for the heads of our pols because the pols are doing the bidding of the corporate Amurka .
A good way to look at the cost of petrol/gas -- which, of course, is still ridiculously cheap compared to most of the fucking planet -- is to think of it as being priced in sorta-euros already. That's to say, if you look at the USD/EUR chart for the past few months, the rising domestic cost mirrors the falling exchange rate.
That's exactly right. No one wants to rile the US by openly saying they are switching to the Euro(look what happened to Saddam!), but it is already happening.
SWR-if you were able to have a coherent discussion with a troll, I would agree with you, but I don't see that happening. They just spout their party lines, which are totally canned, namecall, and harass and insult certain individuals, particularly women.
If I find myself getting annoyed by a troll I always ask myself if he's onto some little voice in the back of my head that's telling me that I'm wrong.
Some trolls (like AM) are simply vandals. They should be ignored. Some are just annoying critics that shouldn't be obsessed over.
That's exactly right. No one wants to rile the US by openly saying they are switching to the Euro(look what happened to Saddam!), but it is already happening.
Probably by the end of the year you'll see a lot more of this out in the open. OPEC's already taking about setting their prices by Euro/barrel instead of dollars. Oh, yeah, I could see us spanking OPEC of that.
NTodd, you're flying to NY? JetBlue?
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[drive to airport]
[take cigars out of bag]
More Liddy Dole snarkiness please, bebe.
There was a poll in the local rag this morning about potential women running for preznit.
Lids came in 3rd behind Hillary and that gap toothed gash commonly referred to as Condi.
Talk about late to the party.
A bird feeder functions to attract birds. If one does not want birds in one's yard, one does not put up a bird feeder.
A Troll feeder....
Ya know, I'm tempted to say something like "Who needs the fucking Trolls, anyway?", but then someone who's been paying attention would probably post a list.
Testing testing testing.
Happy weekend.
Clean sheets, AIIKITB
yes,
the troll thing was out of hand yesterday,
but it was tough to resist given the fact that gordo the troll's own website provided such a fat, hairy, leather clad target.
it provides perverse pleasure to use teh right wing's own homophibia against them...
but of course what happens is that the right winger, realizing his masculinity is at issue, lashes out at women, drops the "c-bomb," and becomes--if this is possible--even more of an asshole.
I am sorry I indulged in that forbidden fruit last night, and will try to refrain in the future--hbut it was so tough given el gordo's village people-wannabe pals.
As much as I enjoyed pointing out to the trolls how homo they appeared to be, and as much as I enjoyed steve's obscure gay pop-cult references, it is clear that if one simply ignores the trolls, one will have a better thread.
gotta focus on that positive vibe at all costs these days.
"CARSON CITY, Nev. - A state senator is defending her $3,000-a-month contract to consult with a television station on news content, including issues in the Legislature.
Sen. Barbara Cegavske, R-Las Vegas, said this week during a joint budget committee hearing that she works for Sunbelt Communications, which owns KVBC of Las Vegas. She said she has worked with the station about a year and helps with stories about education, health care and, sometimes, the Nevada Legislature."
(Associated Press)
Well, isn't that special. So that's the price of a soul: $3k. AND that must explain the liberal bias of the media
but of course what happens is that the right winger, realizing his masculinity is at issue, lashes out at women, drops the "c-bomb," and becomes--if this is possible--even more of an asshole.
Gordo the Pig kept calling ME that word last night.
Has a real problem with women, that one.
Then you had the OTHER asshole, Putzhole, who just ASSUMED that I was a "he."
Just like they ASSUME that OUR side is as stupid and clueless as THEIRS.
Why do right wingers hate women?
9/11 Changed Everything©
Frank Luntz
Sure it did.
That's why the Bush White House paid bin Laden and Company to do it.
Freedom n' Democracy marching in Lebanon and Syria, torture in the Gitmo gulag:
Little Earthquakes
Schwarzenegger's Circus:
Raw Deal
Recent classic:
Top Ten Nicknames For George W. Bush Or Rejected Ben & Jerry’s Flavors
Sure it did.
That's why the Bush White House paid bin Laden and Company to do it.
Terry C | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 12:22 pm | #
Oh for christ sakes Terry. Get real. Bin Laden was around long before GW even had plans for the front office. It's comments like that, that just make me shake my head at liberal ignorance.
Gordo the Pig kept calling ME that word last night.
Has a real problem with women, that one.
Then you had the OTHER asshole, Putzhole, who just ASSUMED that I was a "he."
Just like they ASSUME that OUR side is as stupid and clueless as THEIRS.
Why do right wingers hate women?
Terry C | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 12:20 pm | #
And somehow your a better person by calling our President an enemy of the state that conspired to take out the twin towers working with terrorists. Yes, you are a cunt as I said last night. You are all that embodies the modern moonbat and why so many Americans took it into their own hands last November.
but it was tough to resist given the fact that gordo the troll's own website provided such a fat, hairy, leather clad target.
steveeboy | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 9:41 am | #
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Your as much the problem as I am Stevey, your just too ignorant to see it. You didn't like the pic?
Some are just annoying critics that shouldn't be obsessed over.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 9:17 am | #
Preach to the choir at this fishwrapper. I'm never seen more people obsessed with me in my life.
I mean, how thin-skinned IS this guy?
watertiger | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 9:08 am | #
It's the job of a democratically elected politician to stand up and confront his critics.
Bush simply doesn't get this.
Standing up and facing people who are harshly opposed to your politics (listening to them and being abused by them) is as much a part of your job description as collecting taxes.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 9:16 am | #
What kool-aid are you two sipping? No modern President has stood his ground more than GW. Clinton would fold at the mere mention of a gallup poll.
That's why myself and the MAJORITY of Americans stand behind him - because he stands behind what he says.
Ignore the trolls. They are SO beneath our notice and they don't deserve the attention.
"Yes, you are a cunt as I said last night. You are all that embodies the modern moonbat and why so many Americans took it into their own hands last November."
When did I call your hero "an enemy of the state"?
As for the "c" word, you surely have me confused with your mother.
WHY do you hate women so much?
And he's not MY president, so you can quit with the "Our" shit!
"Oh for christ sakes Terry. Get real. Bin Laden was around long before GW even had plans for the front office. It's comments like that, that just make me shake my head at liberal ignorance.
Gordon the Magnificent"
Look up the connections between the Bush and bin Laden families.
YOU get real, asswipe!
Gordo acts like Bush is some kind of supreme being who should not be criticized...and that is just TOO weird!
Geddy or brown trout?
Brown Trout Lee?
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