I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
furyest
Screw Bush like he has screwed us!
Truth hurts, doesn't it, Alan.
Dang! So close, yet so very, very far!
Repeat the meme long enough and it eventually will ahve to be discussed publicly.
Greenspan is a political hack.
Greenspan is a political hack.
His wife is a bitch.
Harry Reid has my undying gratitude for finally exposing this fraud. I guess I must have missed that time when Greenspan won a popular election so he could have the right to make policy pronouncements.
next time someone sees a a little tolitarian reading that doorstop, 'the fountainhead,' smother the buggersnot and drown it in the bathtub. a nation without 'objectivists' is a real nation, not a business.
seriously, how can democrats criticize greenspan. didn't wm. jefferson clinton whore off his ass too for 8 years???
every brickwall democrats hit were partially built by other democrats. hence, does the dem party deserve to survive any more than the repug party?
If that was a blunder, let's have a many more where that came from. Give 'em hell, Harry! And fuck greenspanties. And butshie.
If you read the whole article, you will find nothing in it that supports the lede.
Blunder, my ass. tell it like is, Harry.
Oh, and Duck the Fodgers, indeed. (Go Giants)
Alan Greenspan should be forced to retire. He's sounding a tad senile these days.
I'm sure the authors will get a tongue lashing from Howard Kurtz. Or maybe just a tonguing.
Repug: "The Earth is flat."
Dem: "You're on fucking dope!"
WaPo Reportage: Members of both parties discussed whether the Earth was flat or not. Film of Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson eloping at 11.
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watertiger ...What would the NYC blogger's alliance be all about?
DAVE:
METS BEAT DODGERS TODAY 6-4!!!
40 Republican-sucking Union-Member millionaires BEAT another team of 40 Republican-sucking Union-Member millionaires.
And A-Rod and Al Leiter (BIG Repug suckdogs) take it the [fill in the blank]...
Grover
Fuck that. The White House has politicised the provision of 'information'; Greenspan has politicised his office. Reid has made a good start, but he really does need to deliver a few hearty fuck-yous once the inevitable 'ooh, isn't accusing political hacks of being political hacks... just playing politics?'
Of course, we'll be hearing Andrea Mitchell report all this for the liberal media, won't we?
The media did us a disservice by not pointing out that he was speaking for himself not the Fed.
Of course, the weasel words here are "figures in both parties." But it is still customary to include a quote of some sort from one of these "figures," no matter how deep the throating you promised...
(BTW, does the name Al From pop into anyone else's head?)
Fielding -- spot-on. As long as the CM keeps up this "fair and balanced" reporting, it's a constant struggle not to get screwed.
METS BEAT DODGERS TODAY 6-4!!!
Woo hoo!
Gilliard will be in a good mood at dinner tonight...
Not only did the article fail to quote any Democrats who made any mention of "blunder" but the article concluded with a swipe at Greenspan:
It may be a sign of waning influence that Greenspan's remarks about Social Security accounts have not transformed the debate the way his endorsement of tax cuts did in 2001. A GOP leadership aide said that "it was helpful to our side" but added that "it was not dynamic-changing."
Talk about your misleading ledes.
Maybe we should saturate the WP's letter page with a few pithy remarks. 
And let's not forget, Greenspan wasn't testifying as "chairman of the Fed," but as Alan Greenspan, "economist".
IIRC, the Fed disavowed any knowledge of his actions.
His wife is a bitch.
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Oh great and wonderful Ba'al, call her a poor reporter, a partisan hack, many things, but let's not call her that.
Greenspan go home. Harry Reid rules.
Q: What crime by Bush would start an official investigation by Congress?
"figures in both parties."
"Sources say."
"Everyone agrees."
"Most people believe."
"Administration officials."
"Experts say."
"Weasels who want to spread falsehoods and innuendos but are too cowardly to speak on record say"
It IS a constant struggle not to get screwed. Here in Ohio, our all-Republican state government is trying to raise allowed political donations from $2000/yr to 10,000/yr.
Up to four family members would be allowed to give (total of $40K/family), even if that family member is 8 yrs old. Legalized corruption.
Meanwhile, the Giants are up in both their split-squad games today...
Fielding -- spot-on.
filkertom - you agreed with me, which must mean you are good. Yet you exposed me to 1-800-MAKEITSTOP, which must mean you are evil.
So clearly, I cannot chose the filkertom in front of me.. 
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Shorter Dana Milbank and Nell Henderson:
My, doesn't the emperor certainly have a fine set of new clothes.
Truly, Fielding, your intellect is staggering.
However, as I've spent the last three years building up an immunity to brain-paralyzing songs....
Q: What crime by Bush would start an official investigation by Congress?
A: None. He could bang the dog on the desk in the Oval Office, and somehow it'd be the dog's fault. He'd probably have to blow up most of the West Coast before some Repug would say anything.
Paul Sarbanes (D) Maryland:
said that in 2001 Greenspan had "taken the lid off the punch bowl" by endorsing Bush's tax cuts. "And now we've managed to transpose our economic outlook from this projection of over $5 trillion in surplus to almost $4 trillion in deficits."
or, as i recall my fine former senator saying during the Iran/Contra hearings, "What we have here boys, is a junta"
Duck the Fodgers!
dave
More crazy Fodger persecution from yew librul moonbat eschadimmifasobots!
Why do you hate Sandy Koufax?
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Q: What crime by Bush would start an official investigation by Congress?
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Well, if having a prostitute over the WH and passing him off as a journalist doesn't do it, I don't think anything will.
One refreshing bit of news from the Newshour last night, Bush doing his end run around the national reporters and bringing his message directly to the people is not completely working. Apparently some of these local reporters have made less than favorable comments about SS privatization and have gone out of their way to note that only invited guests can attend the rally. One even noted that he could not explain the w's plan because he hadn't made one yet.
"figures in both parties."
"Sources say."
"Everyone agrees."
"Most people believe."
"Administration officials."
"Experts say."
"Weasels who want to spread falsehoods and innuendos but are too cowardly to speak on record say"
Another Bruce
so good, it had to be repeated
Atrios-mebbe you could move this up on the page
Anyone got Milbank's e-mail? I'd like to ask him who the Democrats were who said such a thing.
Dana's ordinarly better than this. WTF?
A.
More crazy Fodger persecution from yew librul moonbat eschadimmifasobots!
Why do you hate Sandy Koufax?
You know, I once ran into Orel Herschiser in a bookstore before a signing. I told him I hated his guts for years, until he signed with the Giants, when I suddenly decided he was one of the greatest pitchers of all time. He laughed and said he heard that a lot...
DAVE:
Is Bonds pumped up? Or are his muscles shriveling up from steroid withdrawal? He's so big you can cut him in half like a Repug worm, play him in both squads, and he'll still hit 8 HRs and walk 18 times.
Baseball triva: Ayn Rand used to bring folks in her fold by sticking a 42" baseball bat in a young objectivist's anal cavity. Perhaps that explains why Greenspan always looks constipated.
Sexual trivia: Alan has to pay Mrs. Greenspan a free-market $760 before she spreads her legs to expose her rancid Coulter.
Grover
"25 Mets on the DL this year or bust!"
I watched Greenspan's Wednesday (CSPAN-covered) testimony before Congress... a few things I noticed:
Alan Greenspan does not play simple/trivial politics. He pointedly did not want to allow Republicans to call the lapsing of the tax cut (due to expire in a few years?) a "tax increase." He pointedly did not allow them to put those words in his mouth.
He gives reasonable/objective testimony. However, he *does* hold a view that markets are the better for being more free. That's a philosophical/political stance which he has never shied away from. He says as much...
The thing to do is not to call his judgement into question on technical matters... rather on "big picture" philosophy. He deferred to that several times ("that's for the Congress to decide.")
Social security, medicare, etc are scenarios that don't need a "patch" any longer because they have grown out of proportion to the situations that created them. The result is we need to decide whether or not we care about keeping the contract no matter the demographics.
Call him on philosphy, not technical points. I don't think anyone's going to believe he's a complete shill because he isn't. He's got a philosophy, and when asked he'll give it. But he defers to the Congress. Shucks I wish we had a President like that
Dana's ordinarly better than this. WTF?
It's a double byline. Rewrite?
Why do you hate Sandy Koufax?
Mmm . . . wouldn't roll on Shabbos?
Is Bonds pumped up?
If he's using, it's good stuff - he sure doesn't have the skin problems McGwire had.
Q: What crime by Bush would start an official investigation by Congress?
What Congress?
regards
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Just think--baseball and psychoanalysis and stero...uhmm, vitamins...saved McGuire from being Grand Aryan for the Christian Patriot Bush movement.
God Bless America, baseball, and $8 hotdogs...
He'd probably have to blow up most of the West Coast before some Repug would say anything.
The West Coast? Hell, most of his base would applaud. He'd have to blow up a large chunk of the South, I think. And even then, he'd probably just say it was to kill terrorists.
Ayn Rand used to bring folks in her fold by sticking a 42" baseball bat in a young objectivist's anal cavity.
And the young Liddy Dole used to then lick the bat clean.
Since when is Alan Greenspan infallible?
I mean, the pope isn't infallible, either, but ok, I'll him that one - I don't care. But the Fed Chairman? He's hardly above criticism.
Paul Krugman has a great article in tomorrow's NYT magazine on Greenspan. It's worth your time to go read it. It's online today.
I don't know how to set up a link, yet.
OT, but I haven't seen a thread that would fit. For anyone that lives in Ohio, mosey (well actaully hurry) on down to your library. Ohio libraries have had their funding steadily eroded away, despite a law that says they MUST receive 5% of the income tax every year. Ohio libraries are some of the best in the country, and more importantly they offer the only free source or reliable information. If the libraries go there is no more freedom of though let alone speech. There are, unfortunately, even darker hintings that this is a ploy to get the libraries underfunded so that they will be forced to privatize. So, in conclusion, start screaming at your congressmen. And if you don't live in Ohio, check on the state of your libraries, because of Chimp's funding cuts to the Blue states, they may be in danger as well.
Greetings, all you proud Moonbats and psychiatrists.
Harry Reid should repeat, repeat, repeat his criticism -- and be joined in it by all the other Dems. Greenspan has become nothing but a repug shill.
It would be nice if the corporate media wouldn't leave this out of their reports on Giuliana Sgrena.
anyone who wants to say thank you to Senator Reid can use this form-
http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm
Is this for real? I don't know how I could have missed it. But apparently Eason Jordan's slander of American soldiers in Iraq wasn't the dumbest thing said in Davos last month. Amir Taheri writes that first in Davos, then in a subsequent television interview, former President Bill Clinton expressed solidarity with the mullahs who rule Iran:
Here is what Clinton said at a meeting on the margins of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, just a few weeks ago: “Iran today is, in a sense, the only country where progressive ideas enjoy a vast constituency. It is there that the ideas that I subscribe to are defended by a majority.”
And here is what Clinton had to say in a recent television interview with Charlie Rose:
“Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own.”
So, while millions of Iranians, especially the young, look to the United States as a mode of progress and democracy, a former president of the US looks to the Islamic Republic as his ideological homeland.
Moreover, displaying an invincible ignorance of history, Clinton apologized on behalf of America for its "crimes against Iran."
The mind boggles. Bill Clinton thinks that the Islamic Republic of Iran, one of the world's most brutal theocracies, where children are hanged for acts of impiety, is "liberal" and "progressive."
Mmm . . . wouldn't roll on Shabbos?
Big Daddy Mars
That rug really tied the room together.
Every drooler-free thread gives me an urge for something - food, drink, movies, knowledge of obscure Canaanite mythology - is eschaton Greek for 'appetite'?
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Time to fuck Greenspan like he's never been fucked. Enough is enough.
We don't even have to be Tony Soprano like Rove. We don't have to destroy his family, etc.
Merely expose the bullshit that this man's so-called Brilliance and Omniscence rests on. Jesus Christ, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. C'mon, dems.
This kind of predictable shit usually come from clowns like Harris and Howard. Rove must have finally gotten those pictures developed of Milbank\Guckert?
The pace of Iraqi reconstruction is rapidly increasing:
The Bush administration's new strategy of starting so many construction projects that insurgents cannot stop them all has begun to pay off. Construction payments, after lagging badly last summer, have reached nearly $6 billion in a total pot of about $21 billion, officials at the Pentagon said yesterday.
[Assistant Army Secretary Claude] Bolton said yesterday that the [Project and Contracting Office] nearly has surpassed 2,000 construction starts, which is more than two-thirds of all planned starts.
Mr. Bolton and officials in Baghdad, who spoke via teleconference, all asserted that the money is now flowing for projects such as water purification plants, roads, electrical grids, schools and hospitals.
Brig. Gen. Thomas Bostick, who commands the Army Corps of Engineers in Iraq...said the prewar electricity demand has surged from 5,000 megawatts daily to 8,000. "That's because the Iraqi people are able to buy televisions and computers and air conditioners and heaters, things that they couldn't do until democracy and freedom opened up in this country."
In Baghdad's impoverished Sadr City, where U.S. and Iraqi forces crushed an insurgency last summer, the coalition has put 12,000 Iraqis to work on $300 million worth of projects, including water purification and sewage treatment.
The "insurgency" will no doubt go on for a while, but it has already lost. Now that the "insurgents" are recognized pretty much universally as terrorists who can only impede the progress of Iraqis toward a better, normal life, they are nothing but criminals. As such, they can inflict occasional killings and property damage, but they cannot stop the march of progress.
Funny, I didn't see Clinton saying anything about the government of Iran, just its citizens... They probably *are* more progressive and enlightened than ours, because, hey, who isn't?
I see the namestealers are here.
http://tinyurl.com/4pjl6
Republican media adviser found dead
By Stephanie Mansfield
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Republican media adviser R. Gregory Stevens, who recently served as co-chairman of the Bush/Cheney Entertainment Task Force, was found dead Saturday in the Hollywood home of actress Carrie Fisher.
"He passed away here, and in a place where he was loved," Miss Fisher said yesterday from her home in Los Angeles.
Mr. Stevens, 42, was scheduled to attend the Academy Awards in Los Angeles on Sunday night and was staying with Miss Fisher at the time of his death. The Los Angeles County Coroner's Office said yesterday that the cause of death was unknown, pending results of toxicology tests.
His body was found in a guest room by Miss Fisher midmorning Saturday.
"I'm sorry I found him, but he was happy here," the actress said yesterday. "People want to find a scandal in it, but there is none. I don't get it. Nobody does."
Mr. Stevens, who was an associate of the Washington powerhouse lobbying group Barbour, Griffith & Rogers, also helped orchestrate the firm's star-studded party for watching the inaugural parade and was known to have deep roots in the Hollywood community.
"He was very popular, and had tons of connections in Hollywood," said Haley Barbour, one of the firm's founding partners, who resigned to take office as governor of Mississippi in 2004.
"They found him fun, engaging, energetic. Just the way people in Washington did," Mr. Barbour said yesterday from his Jackson office.
A flamboyant personality and bicoastal bachelor, Mr. Stevens was regarded as something of a misfit in the corridors of the buttoned-down lobbying firm, and yet "had a large circle who he touched. His life was a journey, not a destination," said one member of the firm. "He was always fun and entertaining."
Miss Fisher said she attended a star-studded pre-Oscar party Friday night at the home Creative Artist Agency chief Bryan Lourd, the actress' former husband. She said Mr. Stevens arrived around 11:30 p.m. as she was leaving.
Other party guests included Brad Pitt, Jennifer Aniston, Robin Williams, Jamie Foxx, Julia Roberts, Penelope Cruz and Pierce Brosnan.
"He was in good shape," Miss Fisher recalled. "Tons and tons of people saw him. He was Greg."
She said Mr. Stevens returned home shortly afterward, and the two watched the 1942 classic film "Mrs. Miniver," then went to bed. The next morning they had planned to have brunch and tango lessons with other houseguests.
Miss Fisher said she went to his room and Mr. Stevens was lying on his back in the bed. She said authorities confirmed that he had been dead for "several hours."
Barber & Griffith Chief Executive Lanny Griffith and firm President Robert D. Wood were en route to Los Angeles on Saturday morning to join Mr. Stevens when they heard of his death through an e-mail.
Miss Fisher, the daughter of Hollywood le
Time to fuck Greenspan like he's never been fucked. Enough is enough.
Sharkbabe
Right on, sister. I say we do a fag hunt on him. Who knows what we might find. Let's fucking DESTROY him!
Correction:
I meant to say US troops target Italian communist journalists. I regret the error.
darkelf,
It's a taxing issue alrighty.
Bush's "tax-relief" panders to those that "think" they are paying too much in taxes. If they had their way there would be more than just libraries on the chopping block.
Everyone seems to have forgotten that during the Clinton Administration, the republican controlled Congress took our parks away from us. For example, Lake Mead , outside of Las Vegas, Nevada has toll booths set up to glean loose pocket change from people out for a day at the Lake. Same too for Red Rock Canyon.
They seem to like "pay-as-you-go" public services. If "I" don't use it then "I" shouldn't have to pay taxes to support it...kinda like their "flat-tax-philosophy". Only those people who "use" the parks should have to support them. Your libraries are going the same, sad way as our National Park Service has...down the tubes.
What I find bothersome is that there is a large fanatical group out there that doesn't want to support the social needs of people in general...they are too selfish, self-centered, and are only concerned about themselves...I guess i'm repeating myself. And they call themselves Christians too. oh well.
regards
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of course i arrive right as the thread is soiled...
greenspan is a tired old hack that i wish we could make go away.
Miss Fisher, the daughter of Hollywood legend Debbie Reynolds and actor Eddie Fisher, is best known for her performance as Princess Leia in the "Star Wars" trilogy, and is the author of several books, including "Postcards From the Edge" which became a successful movie starring Meryl Streep.
She and Mr. Stevens had been close friends for the past seven years.
A native of San Clemente, Calif., Mr. Stevens began his career working for the California Republican Party, and later worked on the Bush/Quayle 1988 presidential campaign.
After President Bush's election, Mr. Stevens served as White House liaison to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, where he managed all White House transition issues, according to his official biography.
From 1992 to 1994, Mr. Stevens was an associate with Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly, an international public affairs and lobbying firm. He advised foreign and domestic clients, and worked on presidential elections in Angola, Kenya, Nigeria, Thailand and the Philippines.
"His real strength was as a campaign guy," Republican strategist and Mr. Stevens' former boss Charlie Black said yesterday. "He liked the foreign business."
Mr. Stevens served on the 2001 presidential inaugural committee, where he recruited numerous celebrity performers. For the most recent inauguration, Mr. Stevens reached out to Hollywood, trying to invite numerous celebrities to perform.
Before his death, Mr. Stevens said he was unhappy that the Republican National Committee was not more active in establishing ties to Hollywood.
Barbour, Griffith & Rogers will hold a memorial service Wednesday.
greenspan is a tired old hack that i wish we could make go away.
Perhaps Carrie Fisher could entice him into a weekend at her place...
Btw I hate the new DC baseball team.
Baseball=fat white male welfare queens sucking money from DC schools and public health for their third vacation house.
Baseball=GW Bush.
Fucking DESPISE baseball being back in DC. There goes my $7/day parking lot under the SW freeway. There go the queer nude dance joints.
I know how to cut and paste!
"If that was a blunder, let's have a many more where that came from"
Amen. Keep on blundering, Harry.
Harry Reid should repeat, repeat, repeat his criticism -- and be joined in it by all the other Dems. Greenspan has become nothing but a repug shill.
Down here in Arkansas, I was talking to our realtor today. He voted for Gore in 2000, but voted for Bush in 2004, because thewre was just something about kerry he didn't like. I was appalled, especially after he proceeded to blast Bush, saying he was a criminal who should be impeached. He totally criticized his actions, the war, the damage he's done to this country, and absolutely agreed that the Social Security issue was just another scam. He feels that the only reason georgie made it to the White House was because he has rich and powerful friends. He's actually quite concerned about the current state of affairs. Now this is a guy who pays very little attention to politics, who doesn't use the internet as a source of information.
Yet he's figured it out.
Bush, Alan, and the other con men are wasting their time and our money trying to push this. Bush doesn't have the trust or confidence of the majority. I doubt he ever really did.
His plan to *reform* SS is dead in the water.
What will they try to do instead? That's what worries me.
The stink of fear. Stinks.
BushCo enjoys some public confidence of his handling of the war, so pie, more war...
Greenspan is an idol. You can't say shit about him without offending his worshippers in the press, govt, and academia
wow. clinton sides with the iranian people, who the warbloggers are always wanking about ("student revolution!"), and same warbloggers say he was siding with the mullahs.
is there anything they won't lie about
Greenspan= The God that failed
more war...
No More War.
pie - What will they try to do instead? That's what worries me.
Moi aussi. I've been worried about that ever since they backed down on privatization so quickly.
Nice to see you, pie - how's the trip going?
What will they try to do instead? That's what worries me.
pie
They'll deny they're going to cut benefits which is a lie and because it polls well they'll describe their plan as supplemental to SS which of course it isn't.
is there anything they won't lie about
No.
Right, Guckie?
Is this for real?..
"God damn you Walter! You fuckin' asshole! Everything's a fuckin' travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam? What the fuck are you talking about?"
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is there anything they won't lie about
I googled the quote, and as usual, clipped.
And the two linked sites, free republic and a LaRouche site.
Moad Dib - Everyone seems to have forgotten that during the Clinton Administration, the republican controlled Congress took our parks away from us
They didn't succeed with all of them, but they are still working on it.
I haven't forgotten this, nor have I forgotten Clinton's executive order closing wilderness areas to the building of new roads. And I will never forget that Bush repealed that order almost instantly upon walking into the Oval Office.
By the way, Bush has not presented a plan for long term SS solvency, just pushing the idea that persons could take money out and put it in a government program.
So, they can't lose, technically. All they will lose is some Political Capital that they never really had anyway.
Good, Tena. It was almost 70 degrees here today. Saw some cool houses. One possibility, but it's early yet.
What will they try to do instead? That's what worries me.
pie | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 5:26 pm | #
Well, there's always the national sales tax instead of income tax. I've heard quite a bit of chatter about that. You know they'll do anything in their power to shift as much as they can of the tax burden to the little people.
pie- your friend's story disturbs me so much. i've heard the 'didn't like him' excuse so many times now from people who had no other justification for why they voted for bush. it just amazes me to think about sometimes, that people *know* they are voting against their own interests and still do so because of some feeling.
it's just hard to conceive, sometimes.
The pace of Iraqi reconstruction..
"Forget it, Donny, you're out of your element!"
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Greenspan is not a total hack like, say, Michael Powell was at the FCC, but it is absurd to assert that criticizing Greenspan is some political third rail. Millbank (author of quoted article) needs to get outside Washington DC, where worship of someone simply because they hold office is not the dominant religion. The last person to inspire that reverence was J Edgar Hoover, and I think (please God) his worshippers grow fewer every year.
Democrats like Reid are finally realizing that they are not playing for the approval of the Washington Post editorial page, Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell or the D.C. cocktail party circuit. They are engaged in a political battle in which they have lost far too much territory in trying to curry favor with this not- so influential class.
Reid's attack loses no votes (outside the D.C. cocktail circle) and substantially lessens the future ability of the MSM to fawn over Saint Alan as a "universally respected economic oracle and policy maker." The mere fact that the MSM is forced even to discuss the question of whether Greenspan is a partisan represents enormous progress. As long as Democrats didn't speak up, the MSM was given a free pass for hagiography.
It's essential now for more Democratic leaders to follow Reid in challenging Greenspan's iconic status, so the MSM can't dismiss Reid's statement as the errant rantings of a single Democratic leader (which is how the reigning D.C. political and media social class very much wants this to be perceived so they can resume their veneration of Saint Alan unimpeded).
Mr. Stevens, 42, ...A flamboyant personality and bicoastal bachelor,....
A bicoastal bachelor, eh?
Paging John Aravosis
I've got some Bush-backer relatives - school teachers - who are beginning to think they may have voted against their interests.
Something on the wind?
The personal attacks (Swift Boat Liars et al.)against Kerry really did make him less likeable in the minds of a lot of people who would consider themselves moderates.
Lying often works!
You know they'll do anything in their power to shift as much as they can of the tax burden to the little people.
Toonscribe
If you are referring to taxing consumption, I have mixed feelings. We need to consume less and government needs to make us do this by taxing our consumption. The government should use taxes to make us do things we don't want to do or vice versa.
Harry Reid for presnit.
Greenspan is a long time rethug and made his biggest blunder when he endorsed der shrubbenfeuherer's 2001 tax cuts by saying he the surplus would get too big......
The guy got credit for what happened in the '90s even though he didn't do a damn thing but get richer and continue to look like a dweeb.
Looks like Tena's been name-jacked.
The consumption tax is a tax increase on the middle class to replace the lost revenues from the tax cuts for the wealthy.
Paging John Aravosis
Hmm | Email
yeah, i had the same thought. i wonder if this guy was about to get outed as some high rethug's boyfriend or connected to GiGi or something like that.
Moad-Dib,
I agree whole-heartedly with you. There are a lot of people in Ohio, which as been a blue state for a long time but thanks to an influx of yuppie suburbanites, is now a red state, who want EVERYTHING SLASHED. But what's funny is that they are picking on the libraries. In most Ohio communities, especially the suburban ones, nobody ever votes for tax levies, except for the library tax levies. I know that almost all of the cities in the Greater Northeast Ohio Region, have voted for their libraries, even if it meant NOT voting for schools. The thing is, recent polls show that a whopping percentage of people LOVE their libraries and want to keep them, but Governor Taft is packaging this tax cutting proposal like NOBODY votes for libraries, and the sad awful truth is, it is working. There has even been eveil propoganda in the wealthier areas, that suggest the people should BUY their books to help the struggling Ohio economy. How the hell do people fall for this crap?
it's just hard to conceive, sometimes.
He wasn't apologizing either, loved Clinton (except for his little fall off the morality wagon), and as I said, voted for Gore.
He's doing just fine financially, but doesn't like all the shit that's going on in the country and doesn't trust Bush at all any more.
Mandate, my ass.
Greenspan is a Bush/Clinton/Sluggo whore.
Sail on home to jesus won’t you good girls and boys
I’m all in pieces, you can have your own choice
But I can hear a heavenly band full of angels
And they’re coming to set me free
I don’t know nothing ’bout the why or
when
But I can tell that it’s bound to be
Because I could feel it, child, yeah
On a country road
I guess my feet know where they want me to go
Walking on a country road
The 'Burning Bush' was pretty cool
--James Taylor, After Bush effigy burned at antiwar rally
Later, gators.
If you are referring to taxing consumption, I have mixed feelings. We need to consume less and government needs to make us do this by taxing our consumption. The government should use taxes to make us do things we don't want to do or vice versa.
This has got to be a name stealer. He/she/it was doing this down in the lower threads.
toonscribe - no, Atrios was namejacked. pie is in Arkansas, I happen to know. It's a fact, and she told me she would be able to comment from there.
Didn't Greenspan refuse to lower an interest when Clinton thought it should be lowered at the first sign of an economic slowdown, late in his second term. This allowed the repukes to trash the economy when running against Gore in 2000, IIRC.
Bush has been living in a bubble for so long he may actually believe his bullshit. Imagine what 5 years of never being exposed to disagreement would do to someone normal, much less this souless freak.
Darkelf, the Ohio version of the gropernator doesn't want smart, informed voters.
later, pie - I hope the rest of your trip goes well.
Reality Check Bouncer,
No shit.
Moo-lahs, school-ahs... who can tell the difference between a buncha Iranians? Whatever Clinton did, said or thought was outrageous, anyway.
Because.
yeah, i had the same thought. i wonder if this guy was about to get outed as some high rethug's boyfriend or connected to GiGi or something like that.
================================
Ding, ding, ding. We gotta a winnah here folks. Even if this guy wasn't gigi's wh contact, he's dead now, and can't refute anything, so let the mud slinging begin. Rove got just the out he needed.
Quilt Lady, my recollection is that Greenspan was braking the economy with both feet, Fred Flintstone-style, the last couple of years of the second Clinton Administration.
darkelf,
Library funding breeds strange bed-fellows.
In Las Vegas, I remember seeing multiple signs posted by the county government, "Site of Your New Library" just to get people to vote yes on the bond question. But what happened after the bond was approved what a different matter.
Seems that the "well-off" communities had "extra" incentives, such as an investment advisor and fast PCs with a high-speed data link. When questioned about the dispariety, the response was that the "builder(s)" threw in a "big" chunk of money to "help" pay for the "extras".
Odd thing is that the "small" library built near my home was more like a "one-room school" house with a slow-speed internet connection and no investment advisor. It was "just" a local library.
It all goes back to my original response..."they only want to support taxes that serves their interest, not the community as a whole."
Thanks for taking the time to reply back.
regards
.
Greenspan's replacement will probably be another Kudlowite
If you are referring to taxing consumption, I have mixed feelings. We need to consume less and government needs to make us do this by taxing our consumption. The government should use taxes to make us do things we don't want to do or vice versa.
Big Daddy Mars
First raise taxes on the rich and on corporations. Then get back to me about this.
Moad-Dib - Libraries have been hurting for a long time. They seem to bear the brunt of funding cuts every time there is a cut.
A flamboyant personality
flamboyant... nuff said.
Big Daddy Mars
To a certain extent, I agree with you, at least in regards to the need to consume less. But you know how Bushco would jigger this thing to work. If it were proposed as a luxury tax on big ticket items (this on top of income tax), I might favor it, but you know they wouldn't do that. I wouldn't even be surprised if they capped any consumption taxes so that someone buying a Mercedes paid the same as someone buying a Chevy.
darkelf,
I forgot to mention...those libraries with the advisor, fast PCs, and high-speed internet service were "only" for the "residents" of "that" community.
I was not allowed to use the computers nor get financial advise.
So much for being a "public" library.
regards
.
Tariffs and barriers.
Tena, yup. But the disturbing thing about the Ohio library funding is that despite all efforts to eradicate funding for them, they have survived, even in communitites that can't afford them. And like I said, the libraries in ohio have been rated some of the best in the country.
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Re: name stealing
I just get very confused.
Re: consumption taxes
What I really want is my old 1999 tax code back.
Mr. Stevens was an associate of Roger Stone.
Yes, that Roger Stone.
My guess is that Mr. Stevens was a friend of James Guckert.
Read between the lines:
The wagons are circling.
Time for flaming arrows.
Moad-Dib, I am sorry about that. I can't speak for those communities, but what I can say is that in the northeast of ohio, you can walk into about almost any library and get a card, especially if you happen to walk into a CLEVNET library. All you need is proof that your address is real and in Ohio and a picture id and you get a card, and that card, allows you access to any of the libraries in the CLEVNET system that spans about one hundred miles.
darkelf - I didn't know that about Ohio libraries -
Most do seem to survive, but they are consistently starved. And this administration has made it extremely difficult for local governments to continue to fund services. I'm a Friend of the Library in Colorado and we were supposed to have the funding from the state to hook into the statewide computerized system. We had had our librarian trained in the system and were right on the verge of launching it and the whole thing was scrapped.
We we were out quite a bit of money as a result. And this is an incredible library for a town that has less than 300 permanent residents. Plus, it functions as the school's library.
tena,
Once you go beyond the public funding to private funding, libraries become "personal property" to those that "pay" for it.
What's at stake here is not so much the lack of funding for libraries, but the selfish greed by those who are dead set against "their" tax dollars funding a public service they do not use.
There is an anger among the republican base against providing for the "public good." And libraries are a public good and are fair game in their minds.
If the tables could be turned where something "they" value is up-rooted, then, maybe, they would agree to a compromise. Until then, we have to sit back an wait for an opportunity to present itself. We gotta make them come to the barganing table.
regards
.
Why Ohio libraries survive:
How else would Stormfront keep such an active member roster?
flamboyant... nuff said.
pseudonymous in nc
Plus add bicoastal for good measure.
You know what I noticed early on about Greenspan? That I could never figure out exactly what he was saying. The words were recognizable English words, and the sentence structure was familiar, but the message was about as clear as a Delphic Oracle and as applicable as a Fortune Cookie.
I have since learned that there is an entire cadre of professionals who are experts in Greenspeak. They translate for everyone else, although they sometimes disagree on the message.
When's he due to retire? A year from now?
Darkelf,
It's not just the public library system in Ohio that's in danger, it's the OhioLINK systems for the universities.
Influx of suburban yuppies? Maybe up there (I've not lived in NE Ohio for 16 years), but here in SW Ohio, it's the rural folk, plus those whose origin is rural who are willing to gut everything. Even though they need the services. And these folks believe everything that FauxNews tells them, so if Faux says Alan is God, and Harry Reid bad, that's what they'll believe. It wasn't this bad under Reagan.
i think we're part of the reason why libraries are being targeted. not that republicans don't have plenty of their own reasons to get rid of them, not the least of which is that an educated public votes democratic. but look at us here, and the countless others who never have to leave their homes to do research- i know it's kind of a sweeping generalization but i wonder if there will even be libraries by the time i'm in my golden years.
A few years ago they tried a consumption tax on million dollar yachts. Drove the yacht builders straight out of CT. Since our economy is fueled by consumption, I don't think this will work. To say nothing of the fact that it is the most regressive form of taxation around.
Moad Dib - Oh I agree. The people who just don't want to pay taxes just don't give a shit.
They think we can live without all the "extras," like government funded highways and libraries and county hospitals.
What I find most disturbing is how our public schools have had to cut their humanities programs - music, art - because it's all geared to passing those fucking tests. There's a war against the humanities going on - so the library situation feeds right into that. A lot of people on the right don't really approve of the arts and literature.
Whelp, cats and kitten, thanks for helping me vent, but my library is about to close and I must get my books and get going.
Plus, he was "misfit".
Square peg, round hole.
You catch the drift.
Somebody tell the dKos crew:
Mr. Steven's death was NOT accidental.
The Stone's were swingers.
Lydia liked military types.
Greg was Greg.
Party.
QL - To say nothing of the fact that it is the most regressive form of taxation around.
No shit. How is that fundamentally different from a national sales tax? Or are we talking about the same thing?
OT
Just saw on Reuters... the Italian journalist recently shot by US forces claims there was no checkpoint, there was no warning, they weren't speeding. Who you gonna believe?
slueth, i love the CT life as much as the next moonbat, but if you want to make a point about this death than do so, don't just drop hints. if you really know something, spill it.
Who you gonna believe?
TheViewFromABroad
Are you a commie like that "journalist" bitch?
Fuckin' commies.
You oughta be sho...
detained and questioned!
The more we attack the more effective it will be. Never mince words. That is the one thing we can learn from Bushco.
Tena
They have to cut all that stuff. How else can they afford football stadiums?
I know how to cut and paste!
RealAnnoyingTexan
But I don't know how to link from Free Republic!
Moad-Dib - Libraries have been hurting for a long time. They seem to bear the brunt of funding cuts every time there is a cut.
Tena
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
and may i take this moment to reiterate, that i find it curious that Stormfront, has a W as it's logo. sure, it stands for white power, but an interesting coincidence nonetheless.
Sen. Byrd, ain't got nuth'n on me.
Nothing new here, but it seems to fit in with some other comments above.
Austin watching Bedford tax battle
Conservative community's vote on rollback may serve as a signal to the Legislature
By R.G. RATCLIFFE
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
AUSTIN - State legislators may be debating lower property taxes, but folks in the city of Bedford are fighting over it.
In one of the most contentious city elections since the community incorporated on a 55-20 vote in 1953, voters go to the polls today to decide if they want lower property taxes — even if it may mean closing the library and swimming pools and laying off city employees.
Bedford's tax rollback election features a heated contest in a highly Republican community of 47,000 residents northeast of Fort Worth.
The outcome could send signals to a Republican-dominated Legislature about how a key group of Texas voters feels about the push for less government and lower taxes at the national, state and local levels.
"There's no difference between Bedford and Washington, D.C., except Washington, D.C., is just on a larger scale," said rollback organizer Dorothy McWhorter, 72. "I would venture to say we could fire 75 percent of the people in Washington and the government would still work."
well, it's been a good day with you communist homosexual moonbats, and i'm going off to burn the flag and deny some christian children the right to pray by making them listen to spongebob records backwards. and then i'm going to have some indian food, the boys went shopping in devon today and promise me wonders.
everyone have a great evening.
American taliban are on the march:
On March 9, evangelical Christians will converge in Washington, D.C., for the annual convention of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE), which represents various Protestant churches and denominations across the country with a combined membership of between 30 million and 40 million people.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...ain677811.shtml
These are the crazies.
Manifesto here:
http://www.nae.net/images/
civic_...onsibility2.pdf
They are just begging to be taxed.
Franken on dear leaders faith and fundies in general:
Beliefnet Editor-in-Chief Steven Waldman interviewed Al Franken about his new book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them, and about his own spirituality. Excerpts from the interview:
[BN] So you don’t think [faith] actually plays a central role in his [bush's] life?
[AF] I don’t know! I don’t know. It’s really hard for me to figure. He might think it plays a central role in his life and it may not. It could play a very shallow role? Might be a very central role for a very shallow man. It may play a very deep role for very shallow, immoral man? I don’t know. It’s very puzzling to me how you would try to create that myth that you read the Bible every day.
...
[BN] In another part of the book you argue that Jerry Falwell is “a nut” because, while he said the Anti-Christ is a living Jewish male, he has not yet fingered Marvin Hamlisch.
[AF] Well he actually said he didn’t know if it was Hamlisch or not.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/
1...ry_13244_1.html
if you really know something, spill it.
chicago dyke
Greg Stevens worked for "state-of-the-art sleezeball"* Roger Stone.
(*New Republic)
He complained that the GOP wasn't doing enough to reach out to Hollywood.
Face it, he was a high powered fag on a short leash.
He was friends of Roger & Nydia Stone ("The Unknown Man" & "Lucy Ramirez" a la CBS fake doc debacle).
He likely knew James Guckert socially and/or personally.
Who better to blow the lid on this CREEPy shit?
Kill the fag.
Nobody cares about fags.
Or snuff film directors.
Strange days.
Believe the Pentagon or the Italian journalist?
Hmmmmmmm.....
Well, based on the accuracy of what I've been told before, I gotta go with the Italian.
CD have a pleasant evening filled with pleasing aromas.
Questioning the wisdom of Alan Greenspan in political Washington is akin to challenging the integrity of the pope in Rome
Really? And why should that be? It seems as if the GOP's idolatry hustle has run its course. Greenspan, after losing Reich, has been incoherent and vague. This "fiscal conservative" endorsing Bush's tax cuts and social security schemes does make him appear the partisan hack. Time for Greenspan to clearly articulate his principles and positions, irrespective of GOP pleadings that Greenspan be treated as a demigod rather than a civil servant.
We need someone who knows Greenspan to talk.
I'm back.
TheViewFromABroad
"Who you gonna believe?"
Sad fact of life, mate...they're gonna believe the official Bush Administration line.
Besides, with all the name calling that has been going on against foriegners since 9/11, there aren't too many that would believe Bush would bare-face lie to them about this.
Look at it this way. It's our troops word that they were speeding vs. a forigner saying they weren't. To admit otherwise would make the US, the military, and the troops guilty of a crime...we can't have that...it would be demoralizing....it would erode the public's enthuiasm for the war effort. Need I say more?
It's gonna be interesting to "hear" what is "offically" said, what is "offically believed" by the US public and the rest of the world. We'll see just how out of focus the American public really is.
I would be astonished if the American public raises pure hell if Bush tries to pass of a fabricate lie.
regards
.
Questioning the wisdom of Alan Greenspan in political Washington is akin to challenging the integrity of the pope in Rome
Really? And why should that be? It seems as if the GOP's idolatry hustle has run its course. Greenspan, after losing Reich, has been incoherent and vague. This "fiscal conservative" endorsing Bush's tax cuts and social security schemes does make him appear the partisan hack. Time for Greenspan to clearly articulate his principles and positions, irrespective of GOP pleadings that Greenspan be treated as a demigod rather than a civil servant.
GN | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:17 pm | #
GN, you're not well versed in economics are you? What's your complaint - stop tiptoeing and just come out and have your say.
I'm back.
Gordon the Magnificen
You mean, "bareback"...
as in "bottom"...
right?
You know what I think is sick. Arts--cut, music--cut, physical education--cut. No wonder are children are bouncing off the walls.
Chi-Dyke - have a great Saturday night.
"partisan" is to much kindness for that slug; he's not partisan, he's a cult member.
Believe the Pentagon or the Italian journalist?
Hmmmmmmm.....
Well, based on the accuracy of what I've been told before, I gotta go with the Italian.
Toonscribe | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:15 pm | #
It's amazing how the likes of Toonscribe aren't interested in the truth. He just wants to pick a side and play politics.
The truth takes a backseat to his agenda.
GN, you're not well versed in economics are you?
No.
What's your complaint - stop tiptoeing and just come out and have your say.
Gordon the Magnificent
Read comment above.
No wonder are children are bouncing off the walls.
mer | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:20 pm | #
Our chilkdren are bouncing off walls due to poor parenting at home, poor discipline at school, and all the medications you people feed them.
Hey Gordie, did you take your meds yet?
So, anyway, after I fucked my 70 year old mother last night, I tipped her $20.
You know, usual business.
She got all crazy on me saying, "I don't need your charity, Gordon!"
Bitch has Alzheimer's, I swear!
Shit, it was a fake $20, anyway!
Dumb cunt.
mer - that's just what I was saying. I think those standardized tests are killing education. There's more to educating someone than teaching them how to take a goddamned standardized test.
But how the fuck would Bush know that? This is where I get really annoyed with the Laura2000. She's supposed to be interested in the arts. I've seen precious little evidence of it so far.
Hey Gordie, I haven't had my spongebath yet today...
Read comment above.
GN | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:21 pm | #
I did GN. I still am uncertain what you're real complaint is. Maybe, it's me - not you. Either way, what specifically would you do in his shoes to change it?
The truth takes a backseat to his agenda.
Gordon the Magnificent
Yawn.
Gordon, son...
I love you and I miss you!
I hear you're good at tonguebaths.
Come to/on Papa!
The more we attack the more effective it will be. Never mince words. That is the one thing we can learn from Bushco.
Ba'al
I'll say this about the Bushistas, they go all out on whatever their latest campaign is. But if the Democrats do the same on the social security fight I think that they can win. If they can win they can reap big rewards. We need to be loud and nasty and make it clear that the republicans are out to steal grandma's food money. And then in the '06 races we need to tar every Republican who supports Bush by pointing out that they are not to be trusted with Grandma's food money.
mer - that's just what I was saying. I think those standardized tests are killing education. There's more to educating someone than teaching them how to take a goddamned standardized test.
But how the fuck would Bush know that? This is where I get really annoyed with the Laura2000. She's supposed to be interested in the arts. I've seen precious little evidence of it so far.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:24 pm | #
What's wrong with standardized tests? It recgonizes the shortfalls in regional education. For nearly thirty years we've all turned our heads while we just pushed people through the system.
Sorry sister, the system and you, have failed our children. If your contnet to pump out seniors with an 8th grade education - that's your problem.
What's your solution anyhow? More art?
What will that fix?
Be realistic.
Stevens was also an aide to former Transportation Sec. Drew Lewis
Hey Gordie tell these treasonous bed-wetting liberals about your 2 trips to Iraq you made.
The yeast infection's almost cleared up.
I'll save you all twenty minutes of light banter and cut right to the chase: cunts, each and every one of you. cunts cunts cunts. Plus, I'm not fat, nor am I Gay, in any way.
cunts!
ewnay eadthray ithway onay ollstray
Be realistic.
Admit that I'm a fool for my mother's sweet lovin'.
Prophets aren't welcome in their hometown...
but fools like me are always at home in momma's bed!
Look out momma, here I cum!
"Hey Gordie tell these treasonous bed-wetting liberals about your 2 trips to Iraq you made.
The yeast infection's almost cleared up.
Anne Coulter | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:28 pm | #"
It's funny. Whoever writes this thinks it bothers me. Shit, I'm laughing at what a mockery you're making of your own medium.
I love watching you people shit where you eat.
Tena,
"What I find most disturbing is how our public schools have had to cut their humanities programs - music, art - because it's all geared to passing those fucking tests. There's a war against the humanities going on - so the library situation feeds right into that. A lot of people on the right don't really approve of the arts and literature."
Bless you! You hit the nail smack dap on the head!
At times I really wonder if they understand that mankind's greatest achievements were not won on the battlefield, but in song, prose, rhetoric, art, plays, music and a host of other thought-provoking mental exercises.
Then again, that would imply that they can think, which we know they can't.
regards
.
Either way, what specifically would you do in his shoes to change it?
Gordon the Magnificent
I would not advocate a trillion dollar privatization scheme in the context of record deficits and an expensive war. Greenspan endorsed SS piratization in 2001 in the context of a projected surplus which Bush has subsequently squandered. I would have clearly and unequivocally expressed my dismay at the dismantling of paygo while Rethug crooks robbed the treasury. The "opportunity" for Greenspan's SS "reform" (read: destruction) is lost. Endorsement of Bush's SS scheme is the pinnacle of hackery.
Hey Gordie tell these treasonous bed-wetting liberals about your 2 trips to Iraq you made.
The yeast infection's almost cleared up.
Anne Coulter | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:28 pm | #
Keep shitting where you eat, hippie.
[J. Greg] Stevens was also an aide to former Transportation Sec. Drew Lewis
RealTexan
He was ripe for the hit.
Tell dKos folks about the connection.
They're hot on the trail.
What's wrong with standardized tests? It recgonizes the shortfalls in regional education. For nearly thirty years we've all turned our heads while we just pushed people through the system.
Were you paid more or less than Armstrong Williams' quarter of a million dollars to promote the clearly discredited NCLB partisan scheme? Please disclose.
My life is so empty that I'm reduced to looking for better put-downs than I can come up with for myself about myself.
The mother stuff is good...
just please don't mention how my father molested me for years.
I'd sue him, but I enjoyed it.
Either way, what specifically would you do in his shoes to change it?
Gordon the Magnificent
I would not advocate a trillion dollar privatization scheme in the context of record deficits and an expensive war. Greenspan endorsed SS piratization in 2001 in the context of a projected surplus which Bush has subsequently squandered. I would have clearly and unequivocally expressed my dismay at the dismantling of paygo while Rethug crooks robbed the treasury. The "opportunity" for Greenspan's SS "reform" (read: destruction) is lost. Endorsement of Bush's SS scheme is the pinnacle of hackery.
GN | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:30 pm | #
Wait GN, you told me yourself you're not well versed in economics, right?
Now you tell me how you'd fix it? You already told me you don't know you're ass from your face in regards to economics. Sorry, you have zero credibility - leave the work to the professionals.
My life is so empty that I'm reduced to looking for better put-downs than I can come up with for myself about myself.
The mother stuff is good...
just please don't mention how my father molested me for years.
I'd sue him, but I enjoyed it.
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:32 pm | #
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Another liberal shits where he eats.
At times I really wonder if they understand that mankind's greatest achievements were not won on the battlefield, but in song, prose, rhetoric, art, plays, music and a host of other thought-provoking mental exercises.
Yup. Just read Gordon's comments to see a sad casualty of the GOP's anti-intellectual crusade.
wasn't there a story circulating about a little iraqi girl who stood inthe road to warn u.s. soldiers about an ied that actually turned out to be false?
cnn just reported it as fact as part of a story on sending supplies to troops.
Be realistic.
Admit that I'm a fool for my mother's sweet lovin'.
Prophets aren't welcome in their hometown...
but fools like me are always at home in momma's bed!
Look out momma, here I cum!
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:29 pm | #
Another hippie shits where he eats.
Sorry folks. Gordie's upset because his Grandmom found him sitting in front of the computer last night with his pants around his ankles looking at Anne Coulter's web site and playing with his pee-pee.
Moad-Dib - At times I really wonder if they understand that mankind's greatest achievements were not won on the battlefield, but in song, prose, rhetoric, art, plays, music and a host of other thought-provoking mental exercises.
do you really wonder? Because I don't. I think it's clear that there is a large segment of the right that absolutely doesn't believe that the arts have any value. The arts are, by definition, subversive, because the point is to transcend the established idea.
But they are short-changing all children by doing this. For example, music is really mathematics out loud. There's geometry in the visual arts, too. Perspective is nothing more nor less than a geometry problem.
Another hippie shits where he eats.
and his name is...
Sorry folks. Gordie's upset because his Grandmom found him sitting in front of the computer last night with his pants around his ankles looking at Anne Coulter's web site and playing with his pee-pee.
Gordie's Mom | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:35 pm | #
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Another hippie shits where he eats.
Sorry, you have zero credibility - leave the work to the professionals.
Gordon the Magnificent
You asked me what I'd do were I in Greenspan's shoes, and I told you. You asked me if I were well versed in economics, and I told you I am not. Perhaps my honesty is off-putting in your circles, I don't know...please forgive my efforts to comply with your requests, which were clearly disingenuous as revealed by your responses. Why are you a liar, Gordon? Why do you choose to defend a worldview which demands lies and obfuscation?
Please keep copying and pasting my entire posts.
My publicist is beggin' ya!
Please keep copying and pasting my entire posts.
My publicist is beggin' ya!
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:38 pm | #
One more hippy shits where he eats.
Another hippie shits where he eats.
and his name is...
well, there's also the problem that rightists being our mental inferiors, a lot of them just don't get music or art. Far from any point that can be exlained in a lecture, there is no resonance where their souls should be.
I'm flattered...
I think [sic].
You asked me what I'd do were I in Greenspan's shoes, and I told you. You asked me if I were well versed in economics, and I told you I am not. GN | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:37 pm | #
Nope. Just surprised you're willing to speak with such authority on a matter you don't know a fucking thing about.
Typical liberal behavior.
Gordon
As your Commander-in-Chief I give you permission to tell these people about your two trips to Iraq you mentioned last night and how you personally captured Saddam Hussein.
President of the United States
Gordon
As your Commander-in-Chief I give you permission to tell these people about your two trips to Iraq you mentioned last night and how you personally captured Saddam Hussein.
President of the United States
George W Bush | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:41 pm | #
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Another moonbat shits where he eats.
I wouldn't fuck my mother with Duncan Black's dick!
That bitch is a dirty skank!
She's got dead opussum up them bowels!
Hi, I'm a shit eating fuck.
One more hippy shits where he eats.
Gordon the Magnificent
What a bore. You lie and repeat the same silly juvenile nonsense, over and over. Gordon, are you a purely professional partisan trollop, or do your services extend to "private" whorish interludes as Gannon's did? How much are you being paid for your presence on this site?
well, there's also the problem that rightists being our mental inferiors,
kei & yuri | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:39 pm | #
Mentail inferiors? You truly are out of touch with reality, aren't you moonbat?
If you're so goddmaed superior why aren't you running the country or the economy? Where are all the rich liberals? All you control is the poor vote because, like you, they need the govt teat and handouts to support themselves.
Hi. I'm a moonbat!
Nope. Just surprised you're willing to speak with such authority on a matter you don't know a fucking thing about.
Is it not my civic responsibility to have a layperson's knowledge of the activities of my governmental representatives? And, again, you show your propensity to lie. If you didn't want to hear my opinion of "what would I think about SS piratization were I Greenspan," then you shouldn't have asked. Why do you insist on lying and obscuring facts? What has brought (bought) you to this?
One more hippy shits where he eats.
Gordon the Magnificent
What a bore. You lie and repeat the same silly juvenile nonsense, over and over. Gordon, are you a purely professional partisan trollop, or do your services extend to "private" whorish interludes as Gannon's did? How much are you being paid for your presence on this site?
GN | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:42 pm | #
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Did you have something to say or are you just talking out of your ass again?
You seem to have a trend of speaking on topics you don't have a fucking clue about.
You idiots just don't get it.
We have bankrupted Medicare.
We have bankrupted state and municipal government.
There will be no money to wipe your asses when 50% of you need mediaid.
and long-term care.
Prescription drugs - suffer assholes
Gas prices - plan on staying home.
Global debt - the masterpiece/.
We have run up our debt and stuck the stupid Chinese and japanese and Europeans with it (in dollars)
We dropped the dollar 40%, reducing our debt by 40%.
Just like the stock market in 2001, it will take forever to get back.
And when it does... we have just increased our debt by 66%. Just in time for my retirement and the next sorry ass president.
My ass is covered. You are fucked
Back to Andrea...Touchholes
Alan
Hi. I'm a moonbat!
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:45 pm | #
Another liberal shits where he eats.
I wouldn't fuck my mother with Duncan Black's dick!
That bitch is a dirty skank!
She's got dead opussum up them bowels!
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:42 pm | #
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Hi, I'm a shit eating fuck.
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:42 pm | #
another liberal shits where he eats.
Gordon
I concur with the President. Your are now officially released from any secrecy obligations. You can talk about your 2 trips to Iraq. Notify these people of how you personally trapped Saddam's sons in that house and how you fired the TOW missile that killed them. Do your duty.
Secretary of Defense
Did you have something to say or are you just talking out of your ass again?
I asked pretty clearly about the nature of your financial, and perhaps physical, relationship to your GOP masters. Funny that you don't want to answer this simple and direct question. Why are you trying to upset me with nasty rhetoric when all I've asked is whether you are also a paid male prostitute working a sweetheart job for the White House like your intellectual kin Gannon is?
Again, I eat my own shit.
Again, I eat shit
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
Gordon the Magnificent
"What's wrong with standardized tests? It recgonizes the shortfalls in regional education."
What I find interesting is where in the Constitution does it say that Education falls under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government? I can see a "shortfall" in your understanding of what the problem is.
The 10th Amendment states that anything not covered in the Constitution is the sole responsibility of the States...education is never mentioned. Therefore, Educationis a States issues, not the Federal Governments.
I remember taking "standardized" tests during my years in public school. They measured what I knew. But it was never used to "whip" me. The standardized testing that is being pushed today is a whip to inflict pain...it doesn't measure.
What is is sickening is that the Fed is able to arm-twist the States by threatening to withhold Federal subsidies if the States don't play ball. Utah is making efforts to go it alone without Fed funds. If other State governments would do the same, Bush would have egg on his face.
But then again, he would have removed another suckling piglet from the Federal tit, thus saving taxpayer money to be spent for his war effort.
It's a Kobiashi Maru...a no win scenario for the public.
regards
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I make the shit.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat my own shit.
Gordn the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:48 pm | #
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Gordn the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:49 pm | #
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Again, I eat shit.
Gordn the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:50 pm | #
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Again, I eat shit.
Gordn the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:50 pm | #
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Look at what little repsect one of you has for your own site. Keep shitting where you eat. I'm laughing at you, not with you.
If you're so goddmaed superior why aren't you running the country or the economy? Where are all the rich liberals? All you control is the poor vote because, like you, they need the govt teat and handouts to support themselves.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:44 pm | #
All those overprivileged boys getting their bodies shot up for you in Iraq would love to take a little meeting with you, Gordon.
TOW missile? Gordon used his enormous penis to bludgeon Uday, spear Qusay and interrogate their dad. Fucking hentai, dude.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
I trend to speak on topics I don't have a fucking clue about. Like that time I captured Saddam. Or my vast knowledge of women's cunts. Or the variety of weight control programs availabel over the Internet.
But I will tell you this, I don't have a fucking clue about why I loathe myself. I think it has something to do with my repressed homosexuality, but I am too poor, fat, and stupid to see a therapist about it.
cunts.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
Again, I eat shit.
And I eat Andrea -
Again, I eat shit.
My 70 year old mother's.
Again, I eat shit.
My 70 year old mother's.
Again, I eat shit.
My 70 year old mother's.
Gordn the Magnificent,
It's one thing to be thought a fool, it's a whole other thing to remove all doubt.
I have no doubt.
regards
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I'm drooling in my mother.
At least she tolertates me.
Gordn.
I do not accept payment from anyone at the RNC. Why should I?
I am a true believer. The war is going great. Seniors should eat cat food. More pollution means more jobs. A falling dollar raises all boats.
You cunts just don't get it. I am laughing at all you overeducated elitists.
All those overprivileged boys getting their bodies shot up for you in Iraq would love to take a little meeting with you, Gordon.
fourmorewars | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:51 pm | #
you referring to the proud and strong all volunteer armed forces?
i'd like to see you in fallujah talking your big talk there. You'd get an ass beating.
I'm drooling in my mother.
At least she tolertates me.
Gordn the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:55 pm | #
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Alan Greenspin | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:55 pm | #
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I do not accept payment from anyone at the RNC. Why should I?
I am a true believer. The war is going great. Seniors should eat cat food. More pollution means more jobs. A falling dollar raises all boats.
You cunts just don't get it. I am laughing at all you overeducated elitists.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:55 pm | #
More liberals shit where they eat.
Gordon
I concur
At least you can spell your name now
Can I eat your mother. She smells like catfood
The pope?
The fucking pope?
I would feel better if I could actually say that I can't fucking believe that moronic sentence actually got past an editor.
But the real tragedy, I can't say that at all, because this sort of inane bullshit isn't that surprising anymore.
The pope smells like catfood.
I eat my own shit.
It's better than cat food!
I eat my own shit.
It's better than cat food!
I'm a liberal and I eat my own shit.
It's better than cat food!
you referring to the proud and strong all volunteer armed forces?
i'd like to see you in fallujah talking your big talk there. You'd get an ass beating.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:55 pm | #
I'm referring to the working-class boys you insulted by lumping them in with all us poor folk sucking at the gov't teat.
Can't you at least please learn to read? And fuck you.
I'm referring to the working-class boys you insulted by lumping them in with all us poor folk sucking at the gov't teat.
Can't you at least please learn to read? And fuck you.
fourmorewars | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:03 pm | #
Fuck you? I know I won when someone bottoms out with a "fuck you".
Any one serving their country isn't sucking off the govt teat. They're pulling their weight and paying thier dues.
If anything, they'd be insulted by YOU lumping them in with your kind.
Filthy hippies.
Any one serving their country isn't sucking off the govt teat. They're pulling their weight and paying thier dues.
Yeah, it's just their entire families you were insulting.
Gordon, a mental inferior of ours and yours, might come by here some day. You'll know him because he, hailing from a blog called "dog snot" full of scatological, anatomical and homoerotic images, derides randomly selected comments as "shitting where [one] eats."
As soon as they change the rules of political discourse to simply counting the number of references to shit gotten off in a day...Gord'll still be behind Misha. But he tries.
It's you're own peer that writes that dribble.
Chirst you moonbats are ingoant.
Yeah, it's just their entire families you were insulting.
fourmorewars | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:07 pm | #
How so? I complimented their proud sons and daughters while you presecute them with the rest of your hippy scum. Were you meet their familes you'd probably get a beating there too hippy scum.
Again, your remark about the poor vote...but never mind, I'm gonna go off and kick my own ass for being so stupid as to waste my time with someone who can't keep two thoughts together long enough to have an honest argument.
Harry Reid has my undying gratitude for finally exposing this fraud. I guess I must have missed that time when Greenspan won a popular election so he could have the right to make policy pronouncements.
A friend of mine likes to say, sarcastically, "Wasn't it terrible in the USSR where you had all these unelected bureaucrats making decisions that controlled people's lives."
White House hooker.
The scandal-plagued Bush administration.
White House hooker.
OMG. OMG.
That's the least of it.
Bush is destroying my country.
Destroying it.
The rethugs went after Clinton because of a blowjob.
Clinton would have never dragged us down like this.
I have never been so ashamed of and repulsed by an American president.
Bush is the
Worst. President. Ever.
Hey, I just thought of some magic words. They're so simple even John Kerry might be able to say them. "BUSH'S TAX CUT WOULD FULLY FUND SOCIAL SECURITY" What would happen if every Demo said this every time he/she was interviewed on teevee?
The pope smells like catfood.
Alan Greenspin
The Pope will soon be cat food.
"Hippy"?????????
Yes, I am stuck in the 1960s, just like Gibbons.
And none of your right wing morons have the stones to put a beating on anybody.
You talk big - that's all!
gordo,
you're still fucked. go find mary ann rotten crotch and leave the humans in peace.
-J.T.
What sort of odds might be offered that the Italians will be out of Iraq before the Syrians are out of Lebanon? Apparently the Italians have regional elections next month and Mr.Berlusconni is finding himself in a difficult position which he is losing the ability to influence. Assad knows he need to leave Lebanon but he also knows he can emphasize that he needs to turn security reponsibility over to somebody when the Syrian troops withdraw. He's got to talk to somebody in the Lebanese government about the details, all of which takes some time and which Assad can influence. So, Italians out of Iraq by May and Syrians back to the border by July. Too bad for Dubya that freedom will be on the march in Rome.
I watched Chairman Greenspan on C-span today. It was a broadcast from a Congressional Budget meeting on Wednesday march 2nd 2005. I frankly find all of this hubbub about him amusing. He was alternately questioned by Republican and Democrats each of which were trying to get him to say something to support their case. He steadfastly refused to support either side unconditionally, and said what he believed. However you could see how each of the congressmen and or women were going to spin what he said afterward. I think a lot of the reason people are upset with him is that they are listening to the spin and not what the man says. What he was trying to do was teach them basic arithmetic which both Democratic and Republican congresses have each had trouble with.
Here are things he said that supported the Democratic position.
1. The tax cuts probably helped keep the recession after the Internet bubble shallower than it would have been otherwise, but the time for them is past because they are helping to feed the deficit.
2. He also made a comment about the fact that they were probably not structured in the most efficient manor.
3. He was extremely worried about the large and growing wage gap between high and low skilled workers and felt we needed to invest in more training of low skilled low paid workers.
4. Social security is not in a crisis.
5. We should definitely bring back paygo for both new spending and new tax cuts.
6. He wanted a Lockbox for SS.
So he hardly seems like a Republican Party hack too me.
Here are some things he said which support the Republican position.
1. Because people are living longer and having fewer children (both good things in my opinion) There is a huge demographic shift coming, where once there were at least 5 or 6 workers per retiree there will eventually be only 2. This means that for the system to stay as a pay as you go either you will have to raise SS taxes a lot, or cut benefits.
2. The sooner you address the coming demographic problem the less painful it will be. It is best not to wait until it becomes a crisis.
3. He liked the partial elimination of double taxation on dividends because it encouraged savings.
4. He liked the idea of private accounts because it increased savings and built wealth throughout all classes.
5. Because the congress can not be trusted too keep their hands off of any SS surplus the only kind of Lockbox that would work is one in which the congress couldn’t get to it. Like private accounts.
Clinton had the best economy in history, and just barley balanced the non SS budget. Reagan and Bush didn’t even try. Congress can not be trusted to not spend any surplus we can create.
The Elephant in the anaconda that is the baby boomers is leaving the work force. Unless we all want to have a lot more children, or allow unpressidently massive amounts of new immigration ( 1 billion Americans in 50 years, 3 billion in 100 years) then the current system will not
This is news why? Greenspan has been a fawning lickspittle for years, fellating whoever was in office. Remember him at Clinton's inauguration, popping up and down for stading Os like a jack-in-the-box?
Do you remember Paul Volker popping up and down to applaud newly-inaugurated presidents. No, you do not. That was a Fed chairman.
psh,,,exactly...the whole summary prior to yours by eddie misses the point as to why he is a total buffoon and in his first bullet point it flew over his head when he talked about the internte bubble...
Compatent Fed chairmans are supposed to look "forward" not in the rear view mirror thus his reference to the internet bubble was part an parcel due to the old goats inability to friggin see that when 30 stocks a day of various worthless POS's goes up 50 points in a trading session, it's a mania....
He is so trapped now he has forced us into a situation where he's made the stock market economy not the other way around which is how it's supossed to be...
By repealling healthy business cycles in orer to bail out his cronies and papering over every mistake he's made, he is now nothing more than a serial bubble blower and has firmly planted his stamp of approval on a real estate bubble thats going to be more destructive than the Nasdaq's popping when it blows.
The guy is a civil servant not a rock star and thats what the MSM and fawning Congressmen and Women have made him...
Must be nice to be a complete and total screw up, get knighted and called a national treasure...
Rear view mirror Nik Leeson jr. couldn't hold a candle to Volkers work as fed chairman...Plus Volker did his job and stayed out of the way,,,,the current bubble blower doesn't think he's fed chairman, he thinks he's god and has been using us as lab rats for his economic expeirments since the real mania began in 1995.
In summation, if he was so good, the bubble wouldn't have happened in the first place...it's his job to reign in excesses, not go on a 30 city tour with Van Halen...
Andy wrote “In summation, if he was so good, the bubble wouldn't have happened in the first place”.
I seem to recall Greenspan warning about the dangers of excessive exuberance for years ahead of the popping of the bubble. I also remember him raising the short-term rate to reign in some of that exuberance. If he had been the total toady that some people on this board seam to think he is he would have kept the rates down and let the bubble get much bigger.
I think he tries to tell truth to power, both democratic and republican. I think the political hacks are the Democrats vilifying him now and the Republicans who did it in 2003 when he wouldn’t unconditionally support all of Bushes Tax cuts.
Eddie
"Figures" in both parties. Our unnamed figure is a straw man.
Almost everyone on this thread is unnamed, to which straw man are you referring?
Eddie
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