I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fuck him and fuck Bush
OT again Re Italian Journo
Sgrena told Rome investigating magistrates during a debriefing that the car was not going fast and there was no real checkpoint.
"The firing was not justified by the speed of our car," she reportedly said, adding it was traveling at a "regular" speed.
"It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol which shot as soon as it had lit us up with a spotlight. We had no idea where the shots were coming from."
US death squads at work?
In fairness to Sean Hannity, well, see, the thing is...
HOWARD DEAN SAID REPUBLICANS ARE "EVIL"!
*phew*
9/11 Changed Everything©
Every blue stater should buy a large caliber weapon and learn how to use it.
Yo, I think all these knee-jerk Republicans should have a slumber party night in a scooby-doo like haunted mansion. And wouldn't it be a suprise when a deranged hippy zombie shows up and starts eating their brains one by one.
I never let those fine, upstanding Swift Vet gentlemen come on my show and make allegations without Kerry there to defend himself.
Rep. Gibbons,
This liberal owns a gun.
Would you like to purchase a ticket to be target practice?
I'll gladly oblige your willingness!
They are not vertebrate organisms. Bush. Hannity. The others.
They are certainly not entirely human.
Hannity could be best described as a preparation.
I'm wondering what, if anything, the Italian government is saying to the administration about all of this.
We will only find out through the Italian press, no doubt.
Mr. Gibbons can however read well enough to plagiarize. It may be Clever Hans phenomenon, though.
Oh and fuck that plagiarizing pecksniff, Gibbons. He knows what he said - hell, he stole it. He obviously knows what he said, since he didn't even make it up in the first place - it's a bit harder to claim you didn't say something when you stole it word for word from someone else.
Atrios
Can we have his phone number at the top of your blog? I had so much fun calling Joe.
I don't like Sean Hannity because he isn't humble enough to admit when he's wrong.
bumper sticker seen in Orlando: Execute all Anti War protesters!
just say'n.
bad or worse, looks like worse.
it's a bit harder to claim you didn't say something when you stole it word for word from someone else.
Or he literally does not know what the fuck is coming out of his own mouth at any given moment, which is another exciting option.
Want to piss off O-Lielly?
Link to One of His Columns
9/11 Changed Everything©
Speaking of Frank Luntz the putz I found this rather appalling:
Luntz advises, 9/11 is the perfect way to dodge responsibility for sinking the country in red ink. In a section headed “Without the context of 9-11, you will be blamed for the deficit,” he points out “supporters are inherently turned off to the idea of fiscal irresponsibility.” The best way to counter that fact? “The trick then is to contextualize the deficit inside of 9/11.”
http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=309
Number two guy in the Berlusconi government does not think that this "macabre coup of destiny will provoke anti-American sentiment in his country" according to Le Monde.
He must be taking the same wacky dust as the American neocons.
Is he any relation to Yul Gibbons?
Grape nuts anyone?
Over at LGF, Ponytailed Fuck Charles 'Squeaky' Johnson is bashing KOS and DU over the Journalist's shooting. Whatever he started out as, half-assed webdesigner or failed musician he has become no more than a bushie bum boy, a frantic sucker of right wing cock. A little winger wannabe. A more mendacious, scheming little fascist would be hard to find. Wonder who's paying him. Wonder how much blood money falls into his 'tip jar' every month to promote war and genocide.
Charles Johnson, PT. Ponytailed Fuck.
bumper sticker seen in Orlando: Execute all Anti War protesters!
just say'n.
bad or worse, looks like worse.
charley
Talk about plagiarism!
My bumber sticker is:
EXECUTE ALL WAR CRIMINALS!
Unfortunately, Cafe Press banned it.
TAKE. DOWN. THE. US. GOV'T. NOW.
You know, the thread thus far has triggered a somewhat unusual epiphany for me.
Look at the language of "Gibbons'" speech (mostly plagiarized): notice the threat of physical violence running throughout it?
Then look at the news story on Svegna being shot at a checkpoint/not at a checkpoint.
Violent words sometimes let people move to violent actions because it's ok. Is that where we are?
But, hey, I've just a glass of wine. It could be that.
Hannity, Hackity Hack.
Thank god the US troops don't target journalists, she whould have been dead meat.
And remember there were shots coming out of that Baghdad hotel room full of journalists when the tank shell came through.
Oh and fuck that plagiarizing pecksniff, Gibbons.
Now that's good.
Giuliana Sgrena also states that it was not a checkpoint that fired on her vehicle, but troops on patrol -- and also that her vehicle was not speeding but was nmoving at a normal speed.
Don't blame the hitmen!
Blame those who hire them!
Ms. Sgrena's companion, Pier Scolari, claims that Ms. Sgrena had damaging information , and that the American troops "ambushed" her in an attempt to keep her from leaving Iraq alive.
Again this is from Le Monde.
WTF?, I've noticed Squeaky has an unhealthy obsession with Kos. Every time I put on my hip waders and check in on that cesspool, he's got a post whining about some other post on Kos (usually ones that are getting some attention). Either that or Squeaky has a post about some other blogger taking him to task. He always links to it so his reptiles can leave their moronic comments.
Checking LGF is like when I turn on some half-assed sitcom like "King of Queens" -- I hardly ever watch, yet when I do tune in, I've already seen it.
Yo, I think all these knee-jerk Republicans should have a slumber party night in a scooby-doo like haunted mansion. And wouldn't it be a suprise when a deranged hippy zombie shows up and starts eating their brains one by one.
PinkoElephantMan
If the zombies were depending on their brains for food, they'd be going awfully hungry. I would never be that unkind to the zombies.
So how many members of Gibbons family are serving in Iraq?
Didn't he, like so many big talkers, sit behind a desk in the AF?
It's like this every week in Stars and Stripes. Some asshole sitting at a desk in Germany talks about how great we are for liberating in Iraq, and some Guardsman is worried about losing his home and wife, while patrolling the streets of Tikrit.
Fuck Hannity, used car saleman looking fucktard. If I ever see him in the street I'll drop him like a bad habit.
My God. Are wingnuts are the stupidest cocksuckers on Eart or what?
4 Real, one word: STICKERGUY!
The U.S. military said its forces fired because the car was speeding toward their checkpoint.
But in comments reported by ANSA news agency, Sgrena told Rome investigating magistrates during a debriefing that the car was not going fast and there was no real checkpoint.
"The firing was not justified by the speed of our car," she reportedly said, adding it was traveling at a "regular" speed.
"It wasn't a checkpoint, but a patrol which shot as soon as it had lit us up with a spotlight. We had no idea where the shots were coming from."
http://www.reuters.com/
newsArtic...storyID=7816391
Don't worry. They'll send condi over. She'll wear her spikes. Problem solved.
"Violent words sometimes let people move to violent actions because it's ok. Is that where we are?"
Or maybe it's that people who use violent words also like to do violent deeds. Who knows what kind of nasty vicious secret lives guys like Gibbons lead.
Mr. Scolari further states that the Americans were advised in advance of the route that Ms. Sgrena's vehicle would take to the airport.
Now the Fundies want to alienate the NASCAR Dads:
Ban Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition
And back on topic -- fuck Gibbons and fuck Hannity, that smarmy little asshole.
Shit, if the US troops were setting an ambush, they did a shitty job. My bet is that they ran into a NG patrol, who got nervous and lit the car up.
It happens all the time and never makes the news.
But, hey, I've just a glass of wine. It could be that.
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Nope, I said pretty much the same thing when the Chicago judge had her 89 yr old mother and husband executed last week. The rhetoric has reached such a fevered pitch that I think we will see a radical rise in violence. Congressman telling another congressman that he wants to shove his fist up the other guys ass.
It was like this in the late sixties. I was doing a kind of gypsy tour of the US in a VW van. After a week in TX we decided to skip LA and MI because there were too many stories of hippies being beat up and/or disappearing.
Turkist Press repeats charge that attack on Italian journalist was deliberate:
They Knew She Was Coming
Plagiarism is the Gibbons story, because it always is, when they're caught.
But the bigger story, in my view, is that Gibbons essentially said that dissent against Bush's Bad War is treason, punishable by death in the front lines.
This kill-Bush's-opponents meme could extend the story some in Nevada media, if someone, like Reid, were to make a point about it.
Hannity is gay.
WTF?, I've noticed Squeaky has an unhealthy obsession with Kos.
Jealousy.
Blogwhore:
The new war room we're paying for.
Representative Gibbons acknowledged that he "borrowed" the speech, but he said he thought it was OK because the speech did not have a copyright label. The actual author of the speech complained to the Congressman's office.
From article on Italian ambush:
The shooting late Friday was witnessed by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's office which was on the phone with one of the secret service agents, said Scolari. "Then the US military silenced the cellphones," he charged.
Violent words sometimes let people move to violent actions because it's ok. Is that where we are?
Diane
well, it seems we are. none of this is new, but i do notice an emphatic stridency to the newspeak, that was not present in the oldspeak.
to go back to that snake Ari 'I guess after 9/11, you have watch what you say, and who you say it to'
but who knows, maybe everything will be fine.
Anti Patriot Act of 2006.
"It was like this in the late sixties. I was doing a kind of gypsy tour of the US in a VW van. After a week in TX we decided to skip LA and MI because there were too many stories of hippies being beat up and/or disappearing.
QL in NY "
Jeez, Quilt Lady, you're as old as I am! And, jeez, I was just thinking about how close a parallel that time is to this: not necessarily Viet Nam vs Iraq (the wars), but often violent assault on freedoms in THIS country.
I'm gonna have another glass of wine.
Fuck him and fuck Bush
DWD | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 6:20 pm | #
Well spoken DWD.
You the editor in chief for "Trailer Park Livin'" by chance?
He also said we should nuke Syria to an audience that responded with applause (not laughter, which is significant because the gibbon's office is now saying it was all just humor).
I am not!
Atrios, put that motherfucker Gibbons' phone number on the top of the page...
Please ignore the moron.
US death squads at work?
TheViewFromABroad
Every US soldier in the combat zone is a member of a 'death squad', the biggest 'death squad' on the planet at the moment...and we'd do well to remember it...every day and with every death...
BTW, since the Young Aryans For Jebus terrorists are stalking the streets here, I went out got me a three-pack of Freedom-Hating Republicans. I'm wearing 'em as humans shields right now.
Veeery comfy, and did you know that they you can daisy chain
'em -- head-ass-head-ass -- and they just snap together like Legos? Of course they had to cut way down on the cranial capacity to make it all fit together, but turns out to be a miracle of design. I mean if they made 'em any smarter, they might become dimly aware that the Dear Leader is lying to them pretty much 24/7.
Then comes the introspection and the questioning of their programming, and that can't end well.
Anyway, I love my new attire. Only downside is, as Republicans, they don't exactly come is a "range of designer colors" if you know what I mean 
Lance Cpl Gordon
Your are hereby ordered to tell these people the details of the 2 trips you said last night you made to Iraq.
How you captured Saddam Hussein and made him eat a pork sandwich.
And how you captured and killed his sons.
Do you duty!
Commandant USMC
So, speaking privately is okay, since nobody can hear you, but speaking publicly, as a celebrity, is verboten, because it tends to undermine respect for the vaterland.
Am I getting this right?
Every US soldier in the combat zone is a member of a 'death squad'...
Put a cork in it, asshole.
Representative Gibbons acknowledged that he "borrowed" the speech, but he said he thought it was OK because the speech did not have a copyright label. The actual author of the speech complained to the Congressman's office.
badger ellen
So the fucker can't even have the courtesy to acknowleged that he "borrowed" the speech? He mumbles some crap about a copywrite?
Of course if he's this much of an asshole, common courtesy is a little too much to expect from him anyway.
QL in NY - 1968. Yes. In many, many ways.
WTF?, I've noticed Squeaky has an unhealthy obsession with Kos.
Jealousy.
Another Bruce
Oh, clearly. And you know he does a Google search on himself a dozen times a day. Self-important little twit.
Sorry folks, but according to
NYT_Ethical_Journalism_0904.pdf">New York Times Code of Ethics
Bobo and others are not eligible for Wanker of the Day awards.
Staff members may not enter competitions sponsored by
individuals or groups who have a direct interest in the tenor
of Times coverage.
Kei and yuri, and everybody as a matter of fact, I know people are people to US, but per Atrios' tip of last week: don't neglect, when saying 'he wants to Nuke Syria,' to make sure you insert 'he wants to nuke Syria, including the 2 million Christians living there.'
It was like this in the late sixties. I was doing a kind of gypsy tour of the US in a VW van. After a week in TX we decided to skip LA and MI because there were too many stories of hippies being beat up and/or disappearing.
QL in NY
i remember when jack nicholson was chopped up in that sleeping bag, and he wasn't even a hippie.
not to be silly, but i think this is gonna be worse.
Old hat - get up off your fat ass and supply the number your own self.
(I want animated emoticons)
Diane - ayup, 54 and counting. I am on my second glass of wine, which means it is almost time for bed.
What do these people plan on for NYC. Eight million people, 8o% of whom voted for Kerry. They can't just nuke us because the business of America takes place here. They have been trying to move it to Jersey, but have not had much success, so far. I really worry what they have in store for us.
Regarding the "Italian" affair, I saw a news report that Berlusconi was demanding someone take resposnibility for the shooting.
Unfortunately, this is the Bush Administration; they don't "do" responsibility.
NY QL ... You gonna go? I'm wondering if they're doing post-dinner drinks. Maybe I could go to that.
driftglass - Or he literally does not know what the fuck is coming out of his own mouth at any given moment, which is another exciting option
Oh yes, I'm up for this option, too. Except that I have a hard time believing that someone would say anti-war activists should all die and not know what he said.
But I'll admit that with a doofus this big, anything is possible.
Put a cork in it, asshole.
Old Hat
Old Shat can't hsndle te truth.
The military done fucked his tiny brain permanenty.
Blame Coulter. This all started with her book, Treason.
When I first heard about it, my scrotal hairs stood up because I knew it was the beginning.
Shit, if the US troops were setting an ambush, they did a shitty job. My bet is that they ran into a NG patrol, who got nervous and lit the car up.
It happens all the time and never makes the news.
stevegilliard
bueno, pero...why would there be a FNGuy patrol without the guidance of a seasoned troop in charge??? no intiendo...unless the ncoic let 'em go, there wouldn't have been that much ammo spent...
the fog of war? FOG = Friend of George... perhaps the Signora was a burr under the Berlusconi saddle ??? listen, everything and anything is possible...we're living characters in a Phillip K. Dick novella...good luck
Now that's good.
Another Bruce
Merci.
I'm going to shut my computer down in a few minutes. We're going to a birthday party tonight. Just wanted to give y'all a heads up - any comments that appear with my name after 7 PM are not mine.
SUPPORT OUR STORMTROOPERS!
SUPPORT OUR OOPS!
It was like that scene in the GodFather when they get Sonny at the checkpoint.
I sure hope Rep. Gibbons doesn't follow his own advice.
Every time he opens his mouth, the shit gets deeper. Kinda like Gordo.
Res - I am in Queens - can't go now. But you definitely go and give me a report in the morning.
I'm going to shut my computer down in a few minutes. We're going to a birthday party tonight. Just wanted to give y'all a heads up - any comments that appear with my name after 7 PM are not mine.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:00 pm | #
got a flag burning to attend Tena?
As far as the story about the Italians goes, I'm wiling to ascribe the whole thing to the Fog of War until it's proven otherwise.
It's a prime example of why you do not start wars just because you can and you want to. Because things like this happen, and things far worse than this, too. That's the nature of war and that's why it is totally immoral to attack and occupy a country that didn't give cause. You cannot be a moral person and view war as an elective.
Tena, remember that singing "Happy Birthday to You!" is a copyright violation.
Don't want Torturing Al tracking you down!
I wipe my ass with the flag.
So Gibbons has offered a distinct absence of an apology. Sigh.
got a flag burning to attend Tena?
Gordon the Magnificent
No.
I thought I'd shove a tube of IcyHot up your mother.
But you beat me to it, Gordon.
Listen folks. Gordie's upset. He knows nobody believes his story about being in Iraq twice.
You see a bunch of his buddies got him drunk a few weeks ago and took him to the local Paintball Arena. They put towels on their heads and told Gordie they were Iraqis. He woke up the next morning covered in paint really believing he was there.
So in the future simply ignore his bullshit, I hear it all day long.
Sorry
"Diane - ayup, 54 and counting. I am on my second glass of wine, which means it is almost time for bed.
QL"
Damn, you're younger than I am. Well, you have plenty of wisdom, so I won't hold that against you.
I am also concerned about the NYC being a prime site for whomever. After my third glass of wine I worry about my home (California), what with all the military base closing we're facing. It almost looks deliberate.
And then I come here and leech off all the energy and optimism most of the folks so generously share. It could be worse, yanno?
It's a prime example of why you do not start wars just because you can and you want to.
So is this still Tena? Regardless, it's right on.
As far as the story about the Italians goes, I'm wiling to ascribe the whole thing to the Fog of War until it's proven otherwise.
Probably the best course of action.
I eat my own shit.
I wipe my ass with the flag.
Handover Fist | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:04 pm | #
i'm not surprised. Liberals in general lack civic or community pride, let alone their own.
Gordon
Your mother smells like catfood
I eat my own shit.
I eat my own shit.
Lh, it's so simple. To this repuke free speech doesn't mean freedom to speak your mind regardless of whether your opinion matches anyone else's; it means freedom to use copyrighted material without permission or attribution.
IOKIYAR.
I eat my own shit.
Speaking of electives you can take for war:
How to Spot an IED
I eat my own shit.
Aren't we out of Troll Chow yet?
I eat my own shit.
As far as the story about the Italians goes, I'm wiling to ascribe the whole thing to the Fog of War until it's proven otherwise.
It's a prime example of why you do not start wars just because you can and you want to. Because things like this happen, and things far worse than this, too. That's the nature of war and that's why it is totally immoral to attack and occupy a country that didn't give cause. You cannot be a moral person and view war as an elective.
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Pretty much sums up what I told Mr. QL at dinner this evening.
I eat my own shit.
I eat my own shit.
As far as the story about the Italians goes, I'm wiling to ascribe the whole thing to the Fog of War until it's proven otherwise.
Probably the best course of action.
TheaLogie | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:06 pm | #
Most logical comments I've read yet.
I eat my own shit.
Blame Coulter. This all started with her book, Treason.
I think started with Newt and his war on the language, IMHO. GOPAC and their Little Red Book on how to speak to the media, audiences...including a long list of works to be jammed into any conversation about Dems.
List included "decay, failure (fail), destroy, sick, pathetic, lie, liberal, they/them, betray, consequences, shallow, traitors, endanger, coercion, hypocrisy, radical...etc.
This is GOP policy, and has been for a long time, which is why it's so goddamned funny to see them squeal like pigs when anyone smacks them back.
I eat my own shit.
Only a moron equates worshiping a piece of cloth with civic or community pride.
Please kill my mother.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Gordon
Your mother smells like catfood
Alan Greesnspin | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:06 pm | #
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I eat my own shit.
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:06 pm | #
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I eat my own shit.
Gordon the Magnificunt | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:07 pm | #
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Look everyone, one of your fellow moonbats is shitting where he eats.
That's Hannity for you.
Fair, balanced, and a total whore.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
Sean - I haven't left yet and thanks.
It's only a couple of minutes away and we aren't supposed to be there until 7.
I still need to get dressed, but Mr. Tena is taking a nap and I don't want to wake him up - so I'll wait.
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To me, it is self-evident that these incidences, whether accidents or not, should be laid right at George Bush's feet. The war is the proximate cause of what happened. It's George's war. It's the same for me with regard to casualty reporting - our military personnel who have died in accidents over there still should be accorded the honor of being counted. They wouldn't have been there in the first place if not for Bush and his war.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Only a moron equates worshiping a piece of cloth with civic or community pride.
Handover Fist | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:09 pm | #
Only a moron wipes his ass with the flag of his country.
You have no pride. You are a loser.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Snuff her out!
Lh=Oh. Never have been a good typist.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Snuff her out!
Granny Snuff!
As far as the story about the Italians goes, I'm wiling to ascribe the whole thing to the Fog of War until it's proven otherwise.
I simply want to know what the hell happened, and have someone held responsible. "Fog of war" (pardon my French) my ass.
We expect our police officer to perform under life threatening conditions without shooting first and asking questions later, and when they do, there is a full inquiry and someone is called to account. It isn't (or rather, shouldn't be) excused as "a tough neighborhood" or "a dark night." Especially when none of the facts are yet known, and those reported are contradictory.
Is the U.S. Military lying? Are the Italians? No way to know, so I cast no blame. But saying "well, shit happens, especially in war," is not nearly answer enough.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Snuff her out!
Granny Snuff!
Why do you reject me, momma?
Ugh! I'm off too.
Enjoy the evening. Thank you for a lovely day.
They wouldn't have been there in the first place if not for Bush and his war.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:10 pm | #
You're ignorant at best Tena. It's our nation's war and your own democratic congress voted overwhelmingly to support it.
You need to drink some reality kool-aid.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Snuff her out!
Granny Snuff!
Why do you reject me, momma?
I won't bite anymore, I promise!
Hey Gordie, was that really your Mom further up the thread saying that you lied last night about being in Iraq...twice?
Why would she lie about such a magnificent son?
Um, so, when did Hannity decide that it's not a good idea to "make allegations" when the other party isn't there to respond?
Isn't that the entire sum of his schtick?
...and then the wheels came off the bus.
.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Snuff her out!
Granny Snuff!
Why do you reject me, momma?
I won't bite anymore, I promise!
Just let me taste your sweet cunt again!
What do you overeducated elitists have against eating your own poo? Tastes good, less filling.
Please kill my mother.
She won't fuck me anymore!
Bitch.
Want her address?
She's 70+ so it'll be easy.
Snuff her out!
Granny Snuff!
Why do you reject me, momma?
I won't bite anymore, I promise!
Just let me taste your sweet cunt again!
I'll be the sweet and tender lover you raised me to be!
Please kill my mother.
Then kill me next.
Want our addresses?
...and all the kiddies screamed and screamed...
.
I thought I'd shove a tube of IcyHot up your mother.
But you beat me to it, Gordon.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 7:05 pm | #
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You're a real class act Tena. You really want to shove a tube of icy hot in my 70 year old mother's vagina?
You, sister, have issues.
Quien Es Mas Macho ... Jeff Gannon or Rip Taylor?: " Not that having a gay man in the White House Press Corp is a problem, but at this rate we might as well contact Howard Stern or Saturday Night Live for a correspondent. Maybe former SNL regular Tim Kazurinsky could re-introduce his line of ice cream delicacies from the Carvel sketch, including 'Jingle Buns', 'Santa Snowballs', and 'Peter, the Yule Log... in vanilla for $4.95, or chocolate for $19.95!'"
Jeffers - if you read my comment carefully, I think you can see that I"m not saying "accidents happen," either. I'm saying that I don't know what happened, and even if it was a mistake, it was wrong.
I want to know what happened, too. I just rather doubt that I ever will.
That seems to be the pattern. Heard anything else about those parents who were killed in front of their children for "failing to stop"? Me neither.
Maybe since this is between two countries we will hear more. I hope so. I have serious doubts about the story the U.S. has told so far. I just don't have any other information.
Only a moron prays to a piece of cloth.
You have no pride. You are a loser.
Gordie lied about being in Iraq!
Imagine that.
Hahahahhhhahhahhahhahhahhhhahhhah
HAAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHHA
HAHAHHHHAHAHHAHHAHA
Gordon decided to steal my name now since I'm leaving in a while.
Sorry guys, it's tedious. I'm out of here as soon as Mr. Tena wakes up.
Oh, and the real reason he decided to steal it now is because I've ignored him all afternoon and he can't stand it.
Just can't stand it - and inevitably it leads him to namejack. Every fucking time.
Ah, fair Tena, was that you who started the "fog of war" meme? We don't disagree, I see. I just am not willing to even start down the road of "bad things happen." I prefer the road of: "What happened?" Bad and good to be decided later, sort of like the investigation preliminary to filing a civil suit: what happened, and what can we do about it? Those are, in my mind, the pending questions.
All judgments should be suspended until at least the first question is answered. But given this Administration's track record on responsibility, I am not ready to give an inch on the issue of holding someone accountable.
Dumb cunt, I never stole your name.
White House hooker.
The scandal-plagued Bush administration.
Jeffers - if you read my comment carefully, I think you can see that I"m not saying "accidents happen," either. I'm saying that I don't know what happened, and even if it was a mistake, it was wrong.
To clarify: unfortunately, in the beginning, I didn't read your comment, but picked up the quote from someone else.
For misrepresnting you and, essentially creating a "sraw man," I apologize.
Enjoy your evening out.
...and just then, the bus hit a deer that was crossing the road...
Tena never wants to play with me. No matter how many times I call her a cunt she refuses to engage with my debonair wit and cutting-edge RNC talking points.
stupid cunt.
Now, does anyone have anything to discuss? Fags? Welfare cheats? Anybody?
There'll be no more talk of how we allegedly targeted this here Itralian lady.
Highly-compensated heads of networks lose their gigs in a matter of days, for inappropriate statements like this.
There's enough "freedom of the press" you can exercise in other areas, that you don't have to go around saying stuff like this. Be happy with what has graciously been given to you. And shut up.
Robert M Jeffers - You're right - it's important to know what happened. Disregard the Fog of War idea - I was being as charitable as I could in the face of few facts and totally conflicting stories. I went too far in that direction.
And with that, I bid you all good night.
and just then, the bus hit a deer that was crossing the road...
driftglass
shit, i hate when that happens...
unintended consequences are a bitch.
You, sister, have issues.
Gordon the Magnificent
Gordo, that wasn't Tena, and you know it.
Whoever pointed to Coulter's Treason (and others who haven't written the same murderous, hateful crap) was right on.
Gordon, you need to think about the terrible harm that those people are doing to this country. If you really, really care about America, you should be doing some thinking about the current state of affairs.
Love, Hannity Style
It’s true. Sean Hannity is trying his hand as matchmaker with Hannidate 2005, a dating service hosted on his Web site. If you’ve always been curious about romance, right-wing style, here’s what you’ve been missing:
Name: Gary
Location: OH
Age: 32
... I have all my teeth and brush them... Someone who isn’t a control freak. Good personal hygiene and has all their teeth and no rotten black teeth. I see this way too much and I find it a turn off
Name: Dave
Location: OR
Age: 40
My name is Dave, 40 years old, 6-1, 200 lbs, single, I live and work in Junction City, Oregon... yes there are nice, smart... red people that live around Eugene Oregon! All I want from this is to kill deer with Ann Coulter someday
http://thinkprogress.org/index.php?p=325
This is the trool meme:
"I am not smart enough to impress you folks, much as I desparately want and need to; but I can fuck it up for you, and I shall."
in this respect, the trools immitate their masters...
...the bus driver took a hoof right through the chest. Dead instantly. Blood everywhere. And the kiddies, they screamed even louder...
Yeah Gordo, tell us again about your 2 tours of Iraq you mentioned last night. On the earlier thread George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and the Commandant of the Marine Corps said it was OK to talk about your 2 trips there. In fact they ordered you to talk.
Please tell us. We're waiting.
The scandal-plagued Bush administration.
Keep saying this over and over and soon enough it will take on a life of its own.
We need to build a bigger wall to keep you gringos out.
Your shit relly stinks.
others who have written the same crap
Gordo has Iraq confused with his homoerotic nightmares with Uday and Qusay treating him like a prison bitch in one of those "torture chambers" that we assumed.
The only tour Gordo knows is an asian sex tour pandering to young boys
...as the bus plunged off the bridge and plummeted -- deer and all -- towards the scandal-plagued Bush administration....
go read modo's latest.
that fucking cunt.
Oh me, oh my,
Sitting at home without a date
And it's Saturday night - sigh
The ... Bush Regime
The scandal-ridden, corruption-blighted, morally deficient, murderous muther-fucking Bush regime.
Sounds like the count down timer to the conservative epiphany has started again.
Tick Tick Tick
hadenough, those hannitydate profiles are hilarious! No wonder they're single.
Look folks you really got Gordie upset. He's in his bedroom right now hyper-ventilating into his inflatable Anne Coulter Bionic Suck Doll.
We all know my son is a lying sack of shit. But what else can I do?
Sorry again
We will find out what happened to the Italian journalist if Berlusconi decides to cave and tries to silence her himself. (And wouldn't that be the shot heard 'round the world, but in a horrific, mind-blowing, devastating way. It would be obvious to many more people that money and power trumps all, especially altruistic ideals.) Truly, the end of innocence.
If not, it's gonna be a hot time in the old town...
Gordie
You can have the real me
"Hannity could be best described as a preparation.
Ba'al"
Ba'al, Preparation H?
Does that make a pleasing stink for Ba'al?
Re the Italian Affair: Someone (Tena?) said she'd wait till the fact were out. Well didn't the person who was actually there, Sgrena say that they were not speeding and that they were not at a check point?
I'd tend to believe the person who was actually there and who actually was almost killed.
But, yes, we will have to wait to hear what the scandal ridden Bush administration says.
I thought Gordo el Maricon had a weekend of hot steamy leather man love planned with Jeff Suckert?
Stood up again huh Gordo?
not too late to score some other action on GOPm4m.com
Ladies and gentlemen, you're in the middle of another Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Weekend!
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only a moron defaces his nation's flag by scrawling his name on it with a magic marker...
folks....i'm going to tell you what i've told a number of friends and family....GET A GUN!!! i finally took the plunge after the november 2 returns, 50% for this reason, 50% for my line of work. consider this....regardless of your personal feelings about guns, that if someone ever takes yours away from you, they can never take away the skill you acquired in learning to use it. the most inexpensive handgun (if you need concealable protection) that is reliable that i know of is the cz-52, its about 150 usd and up. there are some american calibre handguns that sell for the 150 mark (hi-points), but the fact that you require a punch to disassemble leaves me weary. if you think your only encounter with a wingnut may be at home, i'd buy anything that was shoulder fired, NOT a handgun. a basic shotgun is under 200 from walmart or such. only problem with that is that shotguns usually have problems penetrating things like couches and smaller thickness walls. some of these gun-shop mercenaries will have body armour of some type. i think that the best value in home defence there is is an ak-47 clone. decent, reliable ones can be picked up for $250 and up. put some "safety" ammunition into it, and you have a 20 shot (because people rarely hit each other in firefights) shoulder fired (much easier to make hits with than a smaller barrel weapon like a handgun) semi automatic weapon that won't penetrate past the walls of your house. also, i know its kind of nonsensical for me to suggest it, but the cheaper ak clones are somewhat inherently childproof. if you've never handled one, you'd be suprised at how heavy it is (factor one). two, the cheaper it is, the harder it is to close the bolt and load ammo. i'm in my early 20s, with a good amount of upper body strength. some of the ak's i've handled for inspection purposes are waaayyy too heavy and difficult to put into battery for any child to randomly pick up and discharge. i like gun control a lot....but i realise that these people (wingnuts) are going to keep saying increasingly more absurd things until the fervour pushes them into action. i have no intention of being some type of martyr ....if i have the means to resist being made into one.
But, yes, we will have to wait to hear what the scandal ridden Bush administration says.
I already read that Bush *regretted* the incident.
It will be interesting to see how they spin the fallout that never ends.
Another war?
Nah.
Boffo, David E ... couldn't find a good pic of Charles Nelson Reilly .. so Rip had to do ... ha
folks....i'm going to tell you what i've told a number of friends and family....GET A GUN!!! i finally took the plunge after the november 2 returns, 50% for this reason, 50% for my line of work. consider this....regardless of your personal feelings about guns, that if someone ever takes yours away from you, they can never take away the skill you acquired in learning to use it. the most inexpensive handgun (if you need concealable protection) that is reliable that i know of is the cz-52, its about 150 usd and up. there are some american calibre handguns that sell for the 150 mark (hi-points), but the fact that you require a punch to disassemble leaves me weary. if you think your only encounter with a wingnut may be at home, i'd buy anything that was shoulder fired, NOT a handgun. a basic shotgun is under 200 from walmart or such. only problem with that is that shotguns usually have problems penetrating things like couches and smaller thickness walls. some of these gun-shop mercenaries will have body armour of some type. i think that the best value in home defence there is is an ak-47 clone. decent, reliable ones can be picked up for $250 and up. put some "safety" ammunition into it, and you have a 20 shot (because people rarely hit each other in firefights) shoulder fired (much easier to make hits with than a smaller barrel weapon like a handgun) semi automatic weapon that won't penetrate past the walls of your house. also, i know its kind of nonsensical for me to suggest it, but the cheaper ak clones are somewhat inherently childproof. if you've never handled one, you'd be suprised at how heavy it is (factor one). two, the cheaper it is, the harder it is to close the bolt and load ammo. i'm in my early 20s, with a good amount of upper body strength. some of the ak's i've handled for inspection purposes are waaayyy too heavy and difficult to put into battery for any child to randomly pick up and discharge. i like gun control a lot....but i realise that these people (wingnuts) are going to keep saying increasingly more absurd things until the fervour pushes them into action. i have no intention of being some type of martyr ....if i have the means to resist being made into one.
Get hip, hipster, and do like dave and the other hip kids do...
Just don't look! Just don't look!
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Been thinking about the bankruptcy issue and some of the posts out there. One thing that struck me was the noting that a very large percentage of bankruptcies have developed from a medical crisis.
Also noted was the rejection of assistance in the event of those situations.
Fine, what a nice piece of logic. One, it is inevitable that serious medical problems will take out the financial security and possible income opportunites of many a family. So if they would like to be so stringent on bankruptcies and award the Credit Companies a draconian stance on society, I feel then we can argue that as a society we should then have at least catastrophic health care to prevent people from losing all.
Quicktime Video of Hannity and Colmes here
Hi dave
I think we hit on the universal "Gordon the Magnificent" repellant. Just remind the sanctimonious little dickweed about his claim last night of being in Iraq two times. He doesn't seem to like being reminded of that lie.
Hahahahahahahahahahhahhahha
Agent Orange
He actually said that? Wow, and I presume he could not back it up.
Even for Gordon that is amazing.
I just want to say that you can drive over to Anacostia tonight and see a gin-soaked, ben-wah ball suppository Liddy Dole asleep in her own vomit.
OT, but the Sgrena debacle stinks so bad, even the American press is forced to notice:
..."We thought the danger was over after my rescue," Sgrena told Italian state television by phone from a hospital room in Rome. "And instead, suddenly there was this shooting. We were hit by a spray of fire. I was talking to Nicola ... when he leaned over me, probably to defend me, and then he slumped over. They continued shooting and the driver couldn't even explain that we were Italians. It was really horrible."
The soldiers fired because the driver approached a checkpoint "at a high rate of speed," according to a U.S. military statement Friday.
Sgrena, however, told Italian prosecutors on Saturday that there was no checkpoint, the Italian news agency ANSA reported.
"It was not a checkpoint, but a patrol that fired after having shone a floodlight at us," she told ANSA.
Sgrena also disputed that the car was speeding.
The U.S. military did not describe the nature of what it called a checkpoint, such as whether it was marked or well lighted. An American spokesman in Baghdad said he had no further information.
(Note: This next part is really startling for a US report...)
When stopping a car or investigating a possible bomb, U.S. patrols often set up makeshift checkpoints by parking Humvees in the middle of a darkened highway and treating any vehicle approaching as hostile. Iraqi drivers sometimes don't realize they are upon an American position until it is too late. Dozens and perhaps hundreds of Iraqi civilians have been killed in the last two years after failing to stop while approaching military convoys or checkpoints, including at least nine in the last two months, according to news reports and U.S. military statements.
On the streets of Rome, some people said it was accident that shouldn't mar U.S.-Italian relations, while others branded it typical American aggression.
Polls show that most Italians, like most other Europeans, have deep misgivings about U.S. foreign policy. Most Italians also oppose the continued presence of 3,000 Italian troops in Iraq.
"As usual, the Americans, with their love of weapons, shoot without checking," said Alessandro Miglirucci, a computer seller, who said he has many relatives in the United States. "I think this will make Italians even more against America..."
Berlusconi, while stopping short of condemning American conduct, demanded an explanation.
"We were turned to stone when the officials told us about it on the telephone," the premier said on national television Friday night. "The behavior of the American soldiers, in such a serious incident, must be explained. Someone must take responsibility."
Last night Gordon the Magnificient w/ the homepage link claimed he was in Iraq twice.
I busted him about 20 different ways on it last night and tonight and he never once addressed it or denied it was him. He always talked about something else.
I think we hit on the universal (Brownshirt G) repellant. Just remind the sanctimonious little dickweed about his claim last night of being in Iraq two times. He doesn't seem to like being reminded of that lie.
HA!
Of course, it's a triple whammy, since he's got at least three identities...
You could bust Gordo on sheer stupidity alone.
Someone must take responsibility.
That's not even a word in Chimp world.
He doesn't seem to like being reminded of that lie.
Gordon reminds me of that poor nineteen-year-old that died at Marine boot camp.
These kids are lied to and puffed up by con men.
War makes most of them damaged goods.
dave,
Ja. Gorgon the Myrmidon is not one but many. Boilerroom LGF hydra, amped up on Jolt and bad ideology, eyelids ritually removed. Fingers duct-taped to wireless mice. Hard to keep an avatar’s resume clear when so many hands are tugging the string.
sorry woody, on this point you are full of offal.
death squads are out targeting only civilians and terror targets.
to claim every marine is doing this is using the same broad brush as is usual for the moonbat fruit wads over at lgf and the sheeple republic.
-J.T.
U.S.M.C.
RECON
Strap this guy to one of those unarmored Humvees over in Iraq!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander...
Wow, what a thing of beauty!
A troll having a mental breakdown live on the net. Atrios, people will pay a fortune to see little Gordon crack up like this.
"We were turned to stone when the officials told us about it on the telephone,
Berlusconi, you made a pact with the devil.
Here's Gordo's BullShit Story from Last Night....
"Keep barking all day little doggie, but are you gonna bite? Were we face to face dorkboy, I'd be rubbing your nose in my dog's shit. That's a fact, not like your talk.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.04.05 - 5:30 pm |"
Friends never stop reminding him of this and we might keep the turd away.
JT, calling every jarhead a death squad member per se does indeed sound like a broad brush. In particular, it sounds like too much organization and specialization. How about we bring up the point about scared twentysomethings armed to the teeth and determined to not let the man next to them die because they let down their guard? Nothing death-squad-like there: just as much civvie killing, but death squads are specialized units and mass-murder on purpose, whereas "ordinary" units merely "pacify" or "retake." While trying to minimize casualties of course. Did we ever mention which of the mother, father and kid travelling in a group a certain SSgt told us to shoot? You shoot he kid, because think about it: either adult leaves either other adult capable of firing; they've probably steeled themselves for the loss of an adult. You kill their little terroristling and they're both too shocked to think, you've just bought time.
Jon Summers, Democrat-NV.
Smart guy, quick mind and sounds like he prepped well, I like!!!
kei & yuri,
i'll not sit idly by and let anyone slander me and mine or other innocents.
-J.T.
Nice to know something drives off Gordo. It is the Energizer Bunny of trolls.
our only point is that looking out for your brother and icing someone's twelve-year-old daughter are two sides of the same coin, or dimly-lit Fallijahn alleyway.
I love that their stripping away bankruptcy protection at the time that identity theft is on the rise.
Gordan's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
Hey Slim
Were those pictures of Gordo taken before or after his 2 tours of Iraq.
Looks like they were using him for practice at Abu Ghraib prison.
>HOWARD DEAN SAID REPUBLICANS ARE "EVIL"!
Nine out ten people agree, when they read the trolls on Atrios!
You know what?
It's not okay if you are Republican.
End of meme. Now.
Yes, Lumpen.
IIRC, one is not responisble for credit card debts incurred by an identity thief. Or do I have that wrong?
k&y,
you got some odd currency.
-J.T.
Folks, the real American Idol™ is here now. Moi.
And you're named afte a fru-er, vegetable...(we forget)
"Gibbons"... Is it appropriate, or just an insult to primates?
k&y,
i don't wish to assume so i'll ask: did you ever serve in uniform in a combat unit?
-J.T.
It pains me to say this, but regarding Iraq and the middle east it looks like Bush was right. He's still a disaster at home, though.
WileE:
Somebody stole my credit card number and ID. I got all the money back, but I caught the ID theft really quickly. I might not have if it hadn't been for a slight mistake that the idiot made. He was smart enough to make a lot of small transactions.
I knew someone named Jim Gibbons.
He is an asshole, too.
Bye for now.
This latest outrage is just beyond the pale.
They've gone too far.
And speaking of hostages, let's remember others who have *died* in Iraq.
Holy crap.
>It pains me to say this, but regarding Iraq and the middle east it looks like Bush was right.
Where do these assholes come from?
>It pains me to say this, but regarding Iraq and the middle east it looks like Bush was right.
Where do these assholes come from?
Nancy Richardson
Nancy, I was reading the NYT and it just seems like the latest news tends to vindicate Bush a bit. I don't know why you have to call me an asshole for that. I still hate chimpy with the best of them.
No, you are an asshole.
woody? still waiting a lavish apology.
-J.T.
Nancy, I don't much care for you, either.
Wile
You're right, but I've seen cases where it takes people a long time to get everything sorted out. I worry how those folks might be effected .
gee, el gordo lied about his military record?
we better call Swift Boat Vets for Truth ASAP...
real vets--myself included--think there is nothing worse than a piece of shit that lies about his military record.
real COMBAT vets get even more pissed
real combat SPEC OPs vets tend to get "physical" with those that lie about being members of such groups--and for some reason, liars always claim to have been in some elite unit, they hardly ever say "yeah, I was in 'Nam, I was a cook." It is usually "I was a Navy SEAL in Laos" or soemthing.
And, I have been thinking about the whole gun thing.
My GF has a .38 snub nose, but I want either a shotgun or an assault rifle--AK or AR-15. However, god help you if you get caught with some rasta goodies AND a weapon, then you are really screwed.
Plus, I spent my gun fund savings on an ipod shufffle.
I had an AR-15 before, but it freaked me out because I kept worrying that someone would steal it, or someone woudl do something stupid with it--there is always some clown that likes to get drunk and start playing with firearms.
JT: we were dirty pogues with some force protection (newly re-christened "anti-terrorism") experience. Every car that passed through a checkpoint we worked at, you get ready to shoot the guy, not because you're a nazi but because that's the entire point of the checkpoint. We have infinite respect for grunts but this does not extend to suspending logic. Chris Hedges mentions an incident in which a group (of non-Americans) patrolling a hostile urban space come upon a corner, turn the corner and shoot without thinking, and discover they've just killed a little girl. Is this unbelievable? Is this slander? Is this not logical? Isn't this what readiness dictates?
LJ,
I remember your mentioning the identity theft a while back. 
Glad it wasn't worse.
And how about the insider trading rap against the Choice Point execs? They sold a bunch of stock AFTER they found out someone had snookered them out of the IDs of a number of people, but before they made the news public.
That is taking it too far. You have no right to post pictures of me. That picture was never intended for release to the public.
steveeboy,
up close and personal there are few weapons that beat a 10 guage semi auto.
-J.T.
'67 hippie
Well if you're willing to spend 300 thousand million dollars, send 1500 Americans to their deaths, wound another 15,000, create psychiatric lifelong trauma in 10,000s others, kill 10-20-30,000 innocent Iraqis, alienate the entire world against us to achieve what?
When did anyone mention Lebanon before the war, what did Iraq have to do with 9/11?
If you're willing to pay such a price there are a whole host of countries and dictatorships that could be attacked to make life better for someone. I don't think it was worth it...not even close.
gordo,
you're fucked. live with it.
-J.T.
It is quite frightening when you see the colossal balls up Bushco have made on just about every issue. And yet there is an army of trolls, who can see no wrong in what is going on.
These people wanted Clinton removed because of sex, but their guy has a record of disasrer.
asleep at the wheel for 9/11.......Started a war on a lie....bankrupted the country.....thrown the bill of rights in the trash can.....and on and on it goes. And yet there is nothing that this guy can do that the morons want support. Chilling!!
It pains me to say this, but regarding Iraq and the middle east it looks like Bush was right.
Right? How?
I find it really, really curious that just a month after the Iraqi elections, (that Sistani insisted on, not Bush) that an assasination in Lebanon resulted in the withdrawal of Syrian government. Isn't that a coincidence? That the Syrians would conspire to assasinate a Lebanese leader which in turn would cause them to have to leave Lebanon? Wow! And Egypt (aren't they, next to Israel, receiving the most foreign aid?) calls for "freer" elections a month after the Iraqi elections? And the Saudis have a sham "election?" Isn't it wonderful? All this a result of the invasion of Iraq?
No one suspects that this may have been orchestrated? With a tad bit of pressure from the scandal ridden Bush administration?
All this happened by coincidence? Really? While the most controlling administation [that manipulates the news, the Congress and everything else in its domain] stands by and marvels at all this happenstance?
How remarkable? Bush right? Can we step back and wait to see what history says?
woody............................
-J.T.
ÔżÔ
Nice try. Now get thee from the I-dol-ly.
Lumpen,
True. You're right to be worried. Especially the way this new bankruptcy bill is stacked against the consumer and in favor of the credit card companies.
Pro or Con on Bush, you have something there Shaw.
The building blocks of demoncracy seem to be going together a bit too neatly.
Here's an interesting story from the New Orleans Times-Picayune:
Spurred by a case of "Gay" pride, Leigh Clemons tried to order a New England Patriots jersey last month online. Clemons, an assistant professor in Louisiana State University's Theater Department, had watched one of her former pupils, Patriots defensive back Randall Gay, play a key role in New England's 24-21 win against Philadelphia in Super Bowl XXXIX and wanted to show her support for the former LSU standout.
But the NFL intercepted her attempts in mid-February to buy a jersey, personalized with Gay's name on the back, from NFLshop.com, the league's official online merchandise center.
When Clemons entered the last name of the Patriots cornerback, her request was rejected. The Web site accompanied the rejection with a message that said, "This field should not contain a naughty word.
"Bush was Right"
In what possible way? Is any one safer from terrorism? No.
Bush has done the easy stuff - he's shaken the tree. But he will never go through with the hard stuff - the part that costs America something: At some point, he will need to (i)give the oil over to the peolpe of the middle east, and (ii)allow them to exercise real democracy.
He will never do either of those things, because he knows what a truly free people of the middle-east will do with their freedom - they will look after their interests. Not his interests, theirs.
So, Bush has achieved nothing, and never will. Because he, and America, will always consider that cheap gas is more valuable than human life.
.
.
Oops, typo there, however, I think I will let it stand. Not sure why, but it is interesting.
what is all this granting of this absurd crap about Lebanon becoming "democratic"? On planet Earth, the real Lebanon has a choice between occupation by Israel and occupation by Syria. Hint: they ain't re-naming main street for ben-Gurion any time soon. There is of course a third party, also a guy we don't want there: Iran, represented by Hizballah. So we have given Iran a massive and oil-rich part of Iraq as at worst an ally because of the unleashing of the Shia, and now Iran also gets a Levantine outpost.
You know, when the Doge [sic] of Venice bilked some knights into a new crusade, nobody realized they'd been Halliburtonized until they were safely stranded without their treasure on some Mediterranian shore.
"We were turned to stone when the officials told us about it on the telephone," the premier said on national television Friday night. "The behavior of the American soldiers, in such a serious incident, must be explained. Someone must take responsibility."
Silvio, baby. Don't hold your asskissing breath. The scandal ridden Bush administration takes responsibility for NIENTE. Capisce?
Plus all these peripheral changes Lebanon, Egypt you name it...could have been achieved for 100 million dollars or so in bribes. After all it's really how we got the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to support us against the Taliban.
Pro or Con on Bush, you have something there Shaw.
The building blocks of demoncracy seem to be going together a bit too neatly.
EkCenTriK
let me second that. one thing is for sure, the killing isn't over.
I would think the account of Giuliana Sgerna, having been involved in the incident, would be credible.
Le Monde has in general proven to be a reliable journalistic source.
JT, what woody was saying was that combat zones, which are close enough in his perception to free-fire zones, you kill things not identified as friendly. What was offensive? It seems reasonable to us that the Marine Vietnam model of resettlement and concentration camps and forsaken zones outside of the safe camps, would be extremely logical to the von Rummsveldt et al.
Meanwhile I am watching a documentary on modern health care and the social benefits there of.
Its named "Resident Evil II".
God, the threads today have been infested with pubic lice.
I hate Hannity with the white hot passion of 10,000 suns, and could address this topic all evening, but the trolls dampen my enthusiasm. I'm going to go watch Lawrence Welk or some other mundane show to get the hell out of here.
And to the hippie upthread who says that Bush may be vindicated for the middle east crisis, you're full of shit.
So have a nice night, my fellow moonbats. And like Dave says, ignore the moronic brownshirt fucks. It ain't worth it ~ arguing in circles with idiots.
I'll be back when the discourse is more inspiring.
Every US soldier in the combat zone is a member of a 'death squad', the biggest 'death squad' on the planet at the moment...and we'd do well to remember it...every day and with every death...
k&y,
what part of woody's statement do you find puzzling?
FUCK that bullshit. FUCK it with the largest guckert dildo in the state.
-J.T.
which one is Gordon and which one is the Fish? to get to Baghdad fish need to swim upstream. I don't think Gordon has the strength to do that, twice. he's most likely flopping around somewehere down South.
why does Gordon hate all the fabulous things the American taxpayers are doing to help us create the Islamic Republic of Iraq?
(As opposed to the Army model in Vietnam, which was to just go on asinine patrols. And this leaves the Air Force model, which would be flattening.)
I mentioned this earlier. Have you noticed all these banners proclaiming this or that in Lebanon are written in perfect colloquial English. And they are certainly being printed up by professional sign manufacturers. It hardly has the look of a spontaneous or people's revolution.
Frankly these groups appear indistinguishable from a Freeper convention. Has anyone else been struck by this?
Fuck Bush, Gibbons, Handjob Hannity and anyone who doesn't like the fact that some of us refuse to march lockstop with the Bush regime.
Anytime Gibbons and his fucktard friends think they are bad enough to send me to Iraq, they can take their best shot.
I will take mine!
Vicki
If you'rs still there we may have eliminated Gordo the Maggot for good. Check the last 2 threads. He caught himself in a world class bullshit story.
Every US soldier in the combat zone is a member of a 'death squad',
and our summary contradicts this how? He is equating "combat zone" with "free-fire zone."
the biggest 'death squad' on the planet at the moment...and we'd do well to remember it...every day and with every death..
this really does not offend us, and it would not shock us to learn later on that we really are doinmg some horrible things there, largely because it is impossible to believe it is otherwise. Perhaps you could be more specific? Is this just a respect-for-the-uniform thing? Do you want more careful throwing-about of the term "death squad"?
This may be off topic, but could there be another Gannon-type fiasco soon? Conservative columnist Joseph Perkins has resigned with no concrete reasons. There's an article at Editor& Publisher.
"bumper sticker seen in Orlando: Execute all Anti War protesters!"
Yeah, don't these fucktards TALK big and tough?
Why aren't THEY in Iraq...fighting fer liberty, freedom, MURKA and against turra?
and you gotta love the air force slogan "Aim HIGH"
Agent Orange-- you don't suppose they speak Ukranian in Beirut, do you? Not that there was anything mass-produced, carefully stage-managed or planned well in advance and imposed from without about that.
k&y,
i repeat, have you served in a combat unit?
-J.T.
Frankly these groups appear indistinguishable from a Freeper convention. Has anyone else been struck by this?
Agent Orange
It's very, very curious. And I don't believe any of it. We won't find out for a while, but it is my guess that this was all planned. I don't believe this was a spontaneous act. Why would the Syrians assasinate a beloved Lebonese official with the result of their being kicked out of the country? Huh?
The scandal ridden Bush administration has their muderous fingers in everything, and I believe they were part of this. We won't know for a while, but this sure does smell.
and we repeat: no. but then we guess nobody has a right to express an opinion about haShoah without being able to prove they were one of the guards; nobody has a right to criticize a street gang without being able to prove they grew up in one; nobody should be able to criticize us without being able to prove they have submitted comments through the colective. If the Constitutiuon is the Constitution, then we, current civilians, have every fucking right your service can guarantee to open our mouths, but if the Constitution is toilet paper, then only serving members of the Boy's Club should carry the burden of covering eachothers' asses, which is of course how it worked when we were in.
We find ourselves not guilty and are shocked that you would take such a tone without laying line or setting up a generator for a few months.
last time I had some dude lie about service, he claimed he was in the 101st airborne.
my best friend was in the 82nd.
I mentioned that my friend had like 67 jumps or something...
this clown responds by saying MY bro was lying, cause teh 82nd didn't jump out of planes, only the 101st did, the 82nd was helicopter assualt.
Of course, that is exactly opposite of reality.
I didn't even call the guy on it cause it is such a waste of time.
Then, to top it all off, the guy starts dissing me because I served in the Air Force as an intelligence specialist.
Acts like I am some wimp cause I didn't serve in a tough unit like he was lying about...
I don't know why these people always lie.
From Juan Cole's blog:
US-Engineered Lebanese Elections of 1957
Josh Buermann of Flagrancy to Reason has dug up a printed source for the allegation I reported from a former USG official, that the CIA engineered the 1957 Lebanese elections (and so helped to provoke the mini-civil war of 195
. He writes:
From the March 31st, 1997 New York Times:
In Lebanon in 1957, the CIA supported Christian parties with U.S. government money and donations by American oil companies that wanted to insure a friendly government in Lebanon, a pivotal Middle Eastern country.
Wilbur Crane Eveland, a CIA officer, later described driving his gold and white DeSoto onto the grounds of President Camille Chamoun's residence in Beirut and delivering political payoffs.
"Throughout the elections, I traveled regularly to the presidential palace with a briefcase full of Lebanese pounds, then returned late at night to the embassy with an empty twin case" to be replenished with CIA money, Eveland wrote in "Ropes of Sand" in 1980, a history of American policy failures in the Middle East.
posted by Juan @ 3/5/2005 06:03:00 AM
That was some pretty strange stuff upthread.
As for the hippie from 67 who thinks Bush is right about Iraq....
you must have done a bit too much acid in your day maybe you forgot about the Tet offensive, the elections in Vietnam in 1967 and 1971, so much more.
I am glad you hate Bush. But you really should do some reading.
K & Y
I'm not sure of you point. If you're asking me whether I think the US funneled money into the Ukrainian election, I'd say sure we did. But the inside stories surrounding Yuschenko's takeover really have a credible internal maneuvering sub-plot to it, triggered by a universal belief in election fraud taking place.
And my comments were more about the nature and quality of the signage in the Lebanese situation.
That Juan Cole post was me, not Lucretia. Can't get rid of her.
k&y,
then i may assume you are familiar with the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
woody's assertion that every soldier or marine in iraq is a member of a death squad should be highly repugnant to you.
yes, or no?
-J.T.
Oh, there's no doubt of the disgusting nature of the poisoners, but this is not the same as us being above-board. The only problem our side really had with the secret policemen was about globalization, and you can bet soon enough our guy will require his own special security needs.
male prostitutes running free in the West Wing.
US Soldiers firing 400 rounds into a car ferrying an Italian journalist and security agent. After already passing through several checkpoints.
300 tons of high explosive gone missing under US watch.
Now 90+ other sites may have been similarly looted under US watch by Iraqi resistance.
Sunnis boycott "election", Sistani's alliance splintering.
US National Guardsmen stuck in Iraq with no exit strategy and a civil war about to bust loose the moment take our boot off Iraq's neck.
Condi's answer to it all is a sexy new combo that screams "discipline me".
No wonder Gordons' losing his damn mind. So am I.
A-6 NYT
"some soldiers held the prisoner so his entry and exit wounds could be seen, while the POW moaned in obvious pain. Another soldier kicked the POW in the face."
"military lawyers decided that the pictures showed 'inappropriate' rather than criminal behavior"
what have we become?
The Gordo repellent will only work so long.
One night Gordo tried to denigrate the service of veterans we have here, and even said we were liars, we were just saying we'd been in the service but hadn't. Cosmic Grappler and I spanked his ass from here to kingdom come over that. He stayed away a while.
But it didn't last. Somebody save the threads where he said he served in Iraq. Dredging those posts up might help in the future.
Just sayin'...
Shaw:
Clear your haloscan cookies. That will take care of Lucretia.
then i may assume you are familiar with the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
Oh yes very familiar-in fact, the underlying legal concept you are misunderstanding is the idea that we never find anyone innocent in our strange courts. We consider whether or not someone is definitely beyond shadow of doubt guilty; innocent is the default as a protection against totalitarianism. But we are not judging anyone in a capacity as judges: we are citizens, trying to figure out what's happening to our country, our military and former comrades, a wimpering we have every right to if not a duty to because we are living in a nominal democracy and cannot just shrug off the crimes of the Wahhabi al-Bushi as the headstrong dominance of totalitarianists.
woody's assertion that every soldier or marine in iraq is a member of a death squad should be highly repugnant to you. yes, or no?
What reason is there to think they aren't? How do you pacify without killing anyone? Woody is actually getting at something we never had the balls to do: refuse, because just sharing in the uniform is approval. We kept quiet and would've killed without stopping to quote Chomsky--our thinking at the time was, there's no time for this, what if this gets someone (American) killed--but now this horrifies us. We suspended our morality, which is always bad.
"k&y,
i repeat, have you served in a combat unit?
-J.T."
Whoa, slow down!
While painting all of the troops with a 4" wide brush is brutally unfair, I also think that restricting the right of criticizing the military to only those who served in a combat unit is also unfair.
In this country, the military serves the people, all of the people, and serves under the direction of civilians. We DO have the right to question and to criticize.
If members of the military serve dishonorably, then we have the right and perhaps even the duty to criticise and scream loudly about that. We must never sink to the level of "Here's your weapon, go do your thing, and get back to me when you're out of ammo."
When sworn in, I believe all recruits promise to uphold the Constitution, and by implication, to serve the nation (not just the government).
I also think that calling all soldiers members of death squads is counter-productive.
I don't know why these people always lie.
steveeboy
Insecurity, ignorance, intolerance...just to name a few reasons.
Diane goddess love you but 4" is four inches.
(cannot resist: Hey, nobody loves a size queen...)
I don't know if this means anything, but Elko has more legal brothels per capita than any other city in Nevada.
I don't know why these people always lie.
steveeboy
SO THEY DON'T GO TO PRISON. Being criminals, being like Annenberg or Ford a gangster legitimized through sheer cash, they would GO TO PRISON if they ever allowed themselves to be honest.
And hey, stop criticizing the president without being one yourself.
Hieronymus Braintree
You might note that also means it has more legal brothels than any city in the country.
So if Guckert wants to open an escort business I suggest he moseys on over to Nevada and check out Elko.
"Diane goddess love you but 4" is four inches.
(cannot resist: Hey, nobody loves a size queen...)
kei & yuri '
hoooot!!
Not THAT was funny!
noW that was funny (sorry)
Diane,
damning every single service person in iraq as a member of a death squad just sucks rocks.
if you don't feel comfortable blasting such bushwa that is not my problem.
-J.T.
U.S.M.C.
RECON
Another reason combat service is not the only license to free speech:
We seem to remember happily and enthusiastically lying for the Marines, because that's what you do, and because interests and methods legal and illegal/secret/nonexistant (think starts with "towel," ends with "party") will make you.
If you don't say something, people under contractual and physical threat to shut the hell up certainly will not.
k&y,
still trying to justify woody's faux pas? have you no shame....
-J.T.
OT: One of the sponsors of the Grand Prix in Australia (first Grand Prix kicking off the 2005 season) is Talon Tough Tools. Hmmmm.
Frankly, John, we see the broad brush but we don't see the "offense." As pogues, all we ever were was a Dr Scholl's pad in the boots of some grunt. The helicopters are there to transport grunts. The comm is there so grunts can receive guidance from some air-conditioned asshole and send back news. The...you get the idea. If [women and] pogues who do not "serve in war" directly and most literally get to share the glory, is is justice to restrict all blame to the grunts?
I'm curious, not having had the time to read through this thread, and being a fan of WGG (and assuming you are talking about WGG), what was Woody's faux pas?
Gibbons is the dean of the mouth breather faction.
so, private concerns are constitutional but public dissent is not?
the "offense" would be analous to me calling you and everyother atroid a scum sucking commie who wants to kill their mother for kicks with no evidence or justification.
-J.T.
U.S.M.C.
RECON
If you are against Gibbons comments, you are a bad american
moving parts: woody said that every organ of the occupation is a death squad member. JT says this is a broad brush and deeply repugnant.
When sworn in, I believe all recruits promise to uphold the Constitution, and by implication, to serve the nation (not just the government).
That would be helpful to remember. As IF. Jeepers H. Christmas this whole affair in Iraq is a mess. Everyone involved has been tainted.
Oh, BTW, Evenin' good folks of Eschaton.
parts,
woody called every service member in iraq a member of a death squad.
but please, don't take my word for it, do a search.
-J.T.
the "offense" would be analous to me calling you and everyother atroid a scum sucking commie who wants to kill their mother for kicks with no evidence or justification.
No justification? Commenting on Eschaton is a bit of writing. Participating in war, even doing the laundry, is participating in war. Is there some way we can expand on this to a former recon without sounding intolerably condescending?
LJ,
Thanks. I'll try again.
I think it worked this time!
k&y,
surely, just be prepared to back up sweeping statements with hard fact. you know, reality based community and all that.
been there, done that.
-J.T.
War is hell, right? Walk a mile in someone else's combat boots, and body armor, and in extreme heat and cold, and in a place where you don't understand the culture or the language, and where everyone if fighting for their lives/beliefs....
I have no idea what I would do or how I would act.
J.T.
Christ, let it go.
People say stupid things about the military most of the time, but especially at a time like this. A lot of terrible things are happening in Iraq, things I never, ever thought I'd see US soldiers doing. People are frustrated and angry about what they're seeing over there and they feel powerless to do anything about it.
Woody in particular says inflammatory things. That's the way he is. Is he right? Probably not, but when did that ever stop a hothead from saying something like that? Saying to him once, hey, quit being a dick, would have sufficed. It's not worth hijacking a thread over.
And since you seem to think that only military people have the right to criticize the military, here's my signoff,
LJ
USAF
Techie
Just did a MSM scan. Which newsite is no longer carrying the shooting of the Italian reporters car by US troops on their website homepage?
ABC
CBS
MSNBC
FOXNEWS
NYTimes
WashingtonPost
Clue: I report, you decide.
So how isn't the US military a gigantic death squad? It's certainly not for the defence of the United States, which is what almost all other countries use their militaries for.
How many other militaries have put to death 100,000 civilians in their own homes?
LJ -
I'm having the same problem as Shaw. Is there a way to clear "haloscan cookies" without touching the other ones?
I'm a cookie removal neophyte, so apologies if this is the dumbest question on the planet!
Thanks.
...in their own homes lately?
-J.T.
U.S.M.C.
RECON
JohnTomato,
I am a fan of your posts and you seem very reasonable to me. This thread is huge, so could you give me a mini update to this minor controversy?
Thanks. Peace.
Jenny:
It's not dumb at all. What browser are you using?
"Diane,
damning every single service person in iraq as a member of a death squad just sucks rocks.
if you don't feel comfortable blasting such bushwa that is not my problem."
-J.T.
JT, what weapon would you have me use?
I am most comfortable with words because I am. I have made it clear that the characterization is unfair and not helpful in any discussion about the current problems we face as a nation at war (although I admit to not being clear as to who/what is the enemy).
I have never served in the military, but I had an older brother who was career Navy (Seabees) and who did several rotations in VietName building and rebuilding and re-rebuilding DaNang. He carried a side arm, that was all.
He died about a year ago from Alzheimer's (early onset, but it apparently runs in the family). His short term memory was burned out, but his ravings at the end of his life all had to do with the horrors he faced in war.
I would not wish that on anyone, and while I never served, I have at least a second-hand sense of what combat does to men. I understand the term "fog of war." I also suspect that some find war an easy past time. Those who do merit my contempt and a whole lot more.
I appreciate your outrage at the wide brush, but I hope you will understand why I am not beating my breast more than I already have.
Good point. If you think the house next door is on fire, are you going to let it burn down and wait for confirmation from the fire marshall a few days later? We are not howling for the blood of our own (and indeed our own blood, because we were part of the initial invasion); we are concerned that something might be terribly wrong which we might be able to stop.
LJ -
I'm on an iMac, OSX, using Safari.
Just did a MSM scan. Which newsite is no longer carrying the shooting of the Italian reporters car by US troops on their website homepage?
Ooh, ooh, pick me!
All of them?
This story is just starting to warm up!
LJ,
sorry you got the impression that only veterans could dump on the military. i never said that. never. civilian control is uber important.
however.... if some yahoo wants to piss on me and my mates he better bring his lunch and NO i'm not going to just "let it go."
deal.
-J.T.
Good evening, Moonbats.
Have ya'll seen this at Daily Kos?
[Promoted from the diaries by DavidNYC. My father is a Holocaust survivor - and my grandfather a victim of it - so I imagined this diary might have special meaning for me as I read it. But I could never have imagined the stunning conclusion. I insist that you read to the very end of this miraculous story.]
All I can say is *Wow*.
Okay we gotta bounce if JT wants to see that as concession (like earlier he said "still trying...", etc) hey whatever
it is the soldier who gives you the right to criticize the government so don't you even fucking try or the soldier will nail your ass before you can fail a piss test
I'm so sorry. FoxNews.com is the correct answer.
FoxNews.com is the correct answer.
That just doesn't sound right.
About cookies: most browsers should let you block cookies from specific sites (the setting will be buried somewhere in the 'security' section of your browser settings).
Try disabling all cookies from Haloscan.com then refresh a Haloscan page a few times, then re-enabling the cookies.
Otherwise, I've seen sometimes that when you get cookie problems with Haloscan, the problems don't occur on a smaller site. So go to Attaturk's site next time he blogwhores, leave a few comments with the name details you want, and come back here.
Good evening, free thinkers!
I cannot understand how some Viet Nam vets, who went through all that hell see nothing whatsoever wrong with allowing ANOTHER generation to be WASTED in a war ever bit as senseless as the Viet Nam Debacle.
What is this - misery loves company? Or just guys who didn't learn a fucking thing?
Btw... Evening, freethinkers
My Merlot and I are having a good nite, and you?
Agent Orange,
I scoured the internets about the Italian journalist and her rescuer for pretty much of the morning. There is a great deal of information about the shooting in the world of REAL journalism. However, CNN et al only report the Military side of the story when the (((actual people involved have made very clear statements!))) WTF is happening to reporting here? Scary.
moving parts: woody said that every organ of the occupation is a death squad member. JT says this is a broad brush and deeply repugnant.
kei & yuri
Thanks for the response k & y, and you too, J. T.
Must say, I've been lurking for a long time. Things are usually said far better, and far more often, by the time I get here. I read the comments of k & y and J.T. frequently. This seems easy, not meant to be flip...you are all right it seems to me.
In the abstract, Woody seems right in that soldiers are an extension of that dangerous moron Bush and his criminal handlers. In the reality of the war, the circumstances of the soldiers at the moment, right or wrong, dictate the action. Good god, I sound like a politician.
Magnum, thanks. I'll try that. Signing off now -- I'm in the middle of moving hell (eek!)
i wasn't going to post this, cause why get into it, but i see the debate rages on.
-J.T.
JohnTomato
i respect your service, i do. and everyone here knows woody is an extremist. (maybe he'd chew me a new asshole for say'n that). but as former military and a marine at that, you have to know atrocities are occuring in the name of this nation you were sworn to defend.
i certainly have not been in combat, and there is no damn way you would get me in a uniform to defend this "nation", my country starts in my head. some of us feel that way.
at any rate, the guilt is on bush and his jolly band of neocons, no denying that.
Clue: I report, you decide.
Hannity said he would not allow Summers to "make allegations" without Gibbons being there to respond.
That's what Summers should have said to Hannity- I report, you decide.
'Evening, all.
Dear Ripley,
My Zin and I are having a pretty nice evening,too.
We're having a 40th birthday party for a relative. Grilled steaks, ribs, rosemary roasted potatoes, and salad with dried cranberries, pignole nuts and a wicked garlic dressing.
And you?
Good evening, Ripely and Hecate!
Just got here myself. I had a great day and a lovely dinner. Hope all is well with you.
Can I come eat at Shaw's house?
Central I read the last night. It garnered my (1) amazing thing a day award. It may also take the next solid week. It is a great story, I think someone should pick up on it and do a respectful piece about it.
Geraldo need not apply.
Aiee. Jenny's leaving just as I arrive. Happy, safe move, dear!
J.T. -
I take it, then, that you think poorly of death squads.
I hope, then, that you're no fan of the Isreali government.
Would you be that angry at soldiers that do act like members of death squads, if you knew of such people? How about soldiers that torture?
If someone commenting on a blog-thread gets you that worked up; if the good name of the U.S. military is that important to you, Abu-Ghraib must have driven you bonkers completely.
Are you angry about our sponsering of death-sqads in Columbia?
Does the targeting of Palestinian civilians by Israelis get you in a lather?
If so, then ok, at least you're consistent.
If not, then why don't you take your morally-selective outrage and put it where the sun don't shine.
Thank you for your service to our country. Or whatever.
Hey, bigvic! And, goodness, is Central here? Long time.
I'll give you a hint, Shaw - "it's not delivery". I love steak and ribs - how far are you from Chicago?
Hecate,
You are always welcomed here. You goddess, you.
Well, howdy, filkertom. The gang is almost all here. How's you new site going, buddy? Still a few kinks?
holy jesus, we know we said we were going, we really are now, but that bit about Kos really is incredible. it's something out of a movie. We totally forgot about the other thing. Go read it if you haven't.
Ripley,
About 2000 miles. SoCal. Come on west!
Shaw,
oh, and speaking of war crimes. no wonder this war is so expensive.
How a Contractor Cashed In on Iraq
One senior Pentagon lawyer told Legal Times that a number of other suits have been filed that will turn on this exact question.
Should the court decide that the False Claims Act does not apply to CPA contracts in the Custer Battles case, procurement attorneys say it's unclear how violations of those contracts can be prosecuted in other cases.
"The government has played this both ways," says Steven Schooner, a government contracts expert at George Washington University Law School. "When it's been to the government's advantage to say the CPA was a federal agency, they've said it was a federal agency. When it wasn't, they've said it wasn't."
Alright everyone don't jump, on JT, he's already heard plenty of yakking about this. He is no troll and we never could stand to see a fucking pile on.
And now we really are going. Read the thing at Kos.
A few, bigvic, but I'm hoping to have 'em all ironed out by Monday. Nothing dire -- the most important are the new pieces of music I have to finish recording. But I fixed a lot of small stuff the other day, and another spate of Actual Content should be ready in the next couple. Howzabout you?
Alright everyone don't jump, on JT, he's already heard plenty of yakking about this. He is no troll and we never could stand to see a fucking pile on.
And now we really are going. Read the thing at Kos.
kei & yuri
a class act...
Not a deal, sorry. Take it up with WGG. Why bug everyone else about it?
G'night my Eschatonian lovelies.
Birthday boy has arrived. Time to revel.
Evoe!!!!!!
Oh, and FUCK BUSH
Sideways with a bottle of Zinfandel.
Holy shit! Central and EK are in the house too. Whoopie! I guess this is the good Karma for the misery of last night's troll feeding.
Gawd how proud I am to have Gibbons represent me in the Congress! All us Nevadans will now be considered a bunch of cretins, fools, and ignoramuses.........or is that ignoranuses?
The Italian journalist shooting story needs some more detailed and definitive quotes before it gains real traction. As I said Foxnews.com has already dropped it.
Can you imagine the hell that would be going on if this woman had been killed instead of her companion.
At this point I'm still shocked and believe this is foremost a story of dreadfully bad communication. Obviously.
Moreover it shows the kind of terror our troops must live with to be so anxious and afraid to fire off hundreds of rounds of ammunition at this car.
"Gunner Palace" opens this weekend in a few cities. I'm sure the movie and the events of this shooting will become a topic of debate...ultimately resolving nothing.
Hey, filkertom.
And bigvic and Ripley and Hecate and anyone else I might have forgotten.
It seems the trolls have the night off. (Fingers crossed)
Çhrist, somebody post the gist of the Kos thing. His site is almost as slow to load as the Houston Chronicle's.
Nite Shaw. Is it your B-day? If so, many happy returns of the day.
Central--from your lips to the Goddess's ear.
Off topic here, but it seems that google's ads have decided that W Ketchup should show up on my browser when I come to you page Atrios.
I'm glad to see this guy getting some grief for what he said, which was worse than his plagarism. Can you imagine if a liberal said that conservatives should leave the country and get shot?
Now, he's backing off. It's just "celebrities" he'd like to see killed.
What a putz.
Tonight is ignore the trolls night.
A wing nut just called in with a theory that the "commie journalist" and her "terrorist pals" staged the whole thing.
We can only hope, Central.
LJ, some guy did a very moving diary about his recently deceased grandfather, who managed to survive a deathcamp. One of the pieces of mail he received in response was from someone whose own relative was saved from death in a camp by the selfless act of someone who turned out to be the very grandfather of the first guy.
Jason,
Click on it and Atrios gets paid.
Hi Sallyh!
Ho-Hum:
Rule Change Lets C.I.A. Freely Send Suspects Abroad to Jails
The unusually expansive authority for the C.I.A. to operate independently was provided by the White House under a still-classified directive signed by President Bush within days of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the officials said.
...
The official refused to say how many prisoners had been transferred as part of the program. But former government officials say that since the Sept. 11 attacks, the C.I.A. has flown 100 to 150 suspected terrorists from one foreign country to another, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan.
Each of those countries has been identified by the State Department as habitually using torture in its prisons.
...
In the most explicit statement of the administration's policies, Alberto R. Gonzales, then the White House counsel, said in written Congressional testimony in January that "the policy of the United States is not to transfer individuals to countries where we believe they likely will be tortured, whether those individuals are being transferred from inside or outside the United States." Mr. Gonzales said then that he was "not aware of anyone in the executive branch authorizing any transfer of a detainee in violation of that policy."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/
0...artner=homepage
Good god, I sound like a politician.
moving parts,
No, you sound like a human being to me. I'm an American, and speaking only for myself by my lights, that makes me responsible for the things my country does in my name.
That also means, by my lights, that I am horrified by the criminal way my government continues to act, and the way they manufacture a 51% "consensus" at the point of a rhetorical gun: deliberately cultivating and preying on the fear, ignorance, bigotry and various hatreds of my fellow citizens...all the while thumping the Bible and harping about Jesus.
They are rabid dogs but, God help me, they're my rabid dogs, and I don't feel that there is any conflict in believing both of these things.
IMHO.
I hope so, CS. I don't have much for Troll Chow™ tonite. Although, I just opened a bottle of wine, so who knows where the nite may wander...
Btw, I think someone owes me some money. I distinctly remember someone using "Troll Chow" in an earlier comment. Damn, why don't I write these things down???
I think Gordo may be finished. Caught him lying last night about being in Iraq twice. He got beat up all day and we wouldn't let him off the hook about that lie. He quietly slipped away.
Central--I hope this evening finds you well!
Agent Orange
Just what points did he get caught in?
I looked a bit but it is rather chaotic to find specifics.
"bumper sticker seen in Orlando: Execute all Anti War protesters!"
I've got one to answer that "My Honor Student Went to Iraq, and all he got was this lousy body bag!"
I don't know which is worse anymore. The fact we're flying people to other countries to be tortured or that we wont do it ourselves.
John Tomato is a good guy. That's why I was wondering what the flap was all about.
Agent Orange,
This thing about shooting and killing Sregena's rescuer and wounding her is most interesting. Our SCLM is uninterested in getting her side of the story, even though she is talking. Also, the U.S. press is treating her wounding as though it were a mere flesh wound. The shrapnel broke her collar bone and pierced a lung. Not trivial.
"The fact we're flying people to other countries to be tortured"
You mean our troops right?
He quietly slipped away.
Agent Orange
He'll be back. He's just off feeding on road-kill for now.
Well, it's still very close, as Sean Hannity and Bill O'Leilly are neck and neck in the "brownshit fuckwad most in need of skull rearrangement with a length of rebar" contest.
Wha?,
yes, yes, yes, and yes. hope that covers.
now, how about applying those same standards to woody's post.
i'll wait.
-J.T.
I copied it further up the thread from last night, I believe it was a 5:30 PM posting (Haloscan time) he claimed he was in Iraq twice.
I challenged him repeatedly to expand on his experiences. Today believe it or not George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and the Commandant of the Marine Corps all wrote in and ordered him to tell us how he captured Saddam Hussein. Christ even his Mom wrote in. It was priceless.
Imagine all those people here at Atrios.
Sallyh,
I'm doing pretty good, thanks.
I hope you are as well.
Here's Gordo's BullShit Story from Last Night....
"Keep barking all day little doggie, but are you gonna bite? Were we face to face dorkboy, I'd be rubbing your nose in my dog's shit. That's a fact, not like your talk.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.04.05 - 5:30 pm |"
This is a repeat of the earlier post
Is haloscan being weird or did the thread just slow down?
Filker:
Thanks. My broadband connection slows down quite a bit when my husband is downloading stuff. Grr.
The page finally loaded. Looks like both men were heroes. Beautiful, touching story.
Agent Orange:
I'm serious, save the comment thread while it's still up. It will disappear in about a month, then it's gone forever.
And they wonder why we mock them.
Jeebus is in the house
You know what might be kind of nifty? Berlusconi insisting on an investigation into this affair by someone other than the Pentagon.
I'm not sure who, though. I'm on my third glass of a really whimpy cabernet.
gene214 "My Honor Student Went to Iraq, and all he got was this lousy body bag!"
i certainly hope that isn't real in a personal way.
that kos diary was unbelievable. but i believe it. men will do extraordinary things in extraordinary times.
i respect your service, i do. and everyone here knows woody is an extremist.
Kono tends to pop off at times, for sure. He often makes blanket, sweepng statements that are hyperbole, but it's part of his persona.
The preznit used to have to sign off on rendition cases, but after 911 everything changed. So now, when this torture out-sourcing blows up, and it will, it will be the work of a few lower level bad apples.
More NYT:
One former senior government official who was assured that no one was being mistreated said that accumulation of abuse accounts was disturbing. "I really wonder what they were doing, and I am no longer sure what I believe," said the official, who was briefed periodically about the rendition program.
"I am no longer sure what I believe"
Join the club buddy.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats.
Gordon the Magnificent
The other night, (maybe last night) he at one point said he had to go to work unlike you liberal freeloaders blahblahblah. And then proceeded to hang around the thread for the next 1/2 hour. I kept thinking; he must be a lousy employee, showing up late for work.
Jenny:
Hey, took me a while to get to you since I got locked up waiting for Kos to load.
In Safari, go to Preferences and click on the icon for Security. At the bottom will be a button that says "Show Cookies." Click on it. Scroll down until you find .haloscan.com. It will have a name cookie listed. If you have an email or url addy you want to clear out, you'll have to click on those too. Click on remove, then click done.
That's all it takes.
Ripley, I only got a Comcast.net login screen. Whassap?
Central--I'm well, and as soon as my husband finishes watching 'Swordfish,' I'm going to convince him that he should take me to dinner.
1) Everyone eats
2) Everyone has shelter
3) Everyone has decent, adequate, affordable healthcare
4) Everyone has a job that pays a minimum wage that is LIVABLE.
5) Everyone has access to a decent education (also affordable)
6) Everyone has the right to live without fear
There are so many more. Just to have a reasonable, decent, livable life.....
Sorry I don't know how to make this into a real link.
It's a real photo of Gordo. Viewer disgression is advised
Gordan's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
Slim | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 8:10 pm | #
"I am no longer sure what I believe"
Tell me more of this "round world" theory you have, son....
J.T. -
"yes, yes, yes, and yes. hope that covers."
Yep, that covers. I thought you were ok, but really haven't been around alot lately, so wasn't sure.
I proclaim publicly that J.T. is no hypocrite!! A straight-shooter he is!!
"now, how about applying those same standards to woody's post."
Umm...it was a post on the comment portion of a blog. I'm sorry, I just can't get myself as worked up about those as I do about torture and death squads. Maybe it's just me, but it just doesn't quite rise to the same level of evil.
It was obviously offensive to you, but not really evil in the classic sense of the word. Sorry your feelings got hurt, Bush and his irresponsible (criminal) use of American power get a lot of people worked up, and broad brushes seem to be the only thing in stock these days.
The other night, (maybe last night) he at one point said he had to go to work unlike you liberal freeloaders blahblahblah. And then proceeded to hang around the thread for the next 1/2 hour. I kept thinking; he must be a lousy employee, showing up late for work.
Another Bruce | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 10:17 p
Or else trolling on company time.
Evening, Moonbats. I hope you have been fighting the good fight against the Empire.
Shorter Jim Gibbons "I didn't mean everybody should be used as human shields, only those who don't know how to shut up". Yeah, keep your mouth shut or die, that's what America's all about. These fucking NAZI's make me want to puke. Speaking of America, anybody who wants to see the metaphor to end all metaphors should check this out:
http://tinyurl.com/4e4yk
Link found on Bob Harris' blog.
Agent Orange -- in the name of all that's holy, please tell me you're kidding. That's like the aged Nazi leather biker god version of a clown doll -- having seen it, knowing it exists, now I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Tom, I wondered if that would happen, sorry.
Short story - two homes in TX, of all places, are making the news for Jeebus sightings. One sighting is in a waterstain on a ceiling, the other is 3 , yes 3!, knots in the wood grain of a door. Which evidently proves the existence of the holy trinity. She had a dream about it and everything, so you know it's true.
DWD -- but I was gonna go up to Toshi Station to get some power converters!
Of topic but tell me what you think. How about displacing Iowa as the first in the nation, moving up New Hampshire so it's really first in the nation, move up the South Carolina Primary so it is second, follow it the next week by a caucuses in PA, New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Oregon. Maybe then have a Super Tuesday where Texas, California, New York, Illinois, and Ohio have their primaries.
Honest, "Slim" posted the link as you see it. Take off the Gordon.jpg extension and it's the Magnificent One's Homepage.
I report, you decide.
And they wonder why we mock them.
Jeebus is in the house
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 10:12 pm | #
Oh My Fucking GAWD.
I....am....speechless.......
bumper sticker seen in Orlando: Execute all Anti War protesters!
Execute all war criminals.
Draft all chickenhawks.
Ripley:
...
Knots.
In the grain of a door.
And a water stain on a ceiling.
I'll be back, y'all.
"Gordan's real picture at dogsnot.net"
Aieeeeee!
Don't do that! You need to add to 'viewer discretion' an additional 'beverage alert.'
Open your mouth Ann
Ripley,
But can they sell it on e-bay?
"Gordan's real picture at dogsnot.net:.."
ARRRRRRRRRRRgh! Jesus Christ, don't show us shit like that anymore! Now I'm gonna have to finish off my Guiness supply, just to be able to sleep tonight! Jesus!
Or else trolling on company time.
filkertom
Well if that were true, he had about a 30 second commute.
Actually he probably did, his "job" was probably to do his mother's laundry.
Oh please oh please oh please. Can we cease an disist from any and all mention of the moronic idiot Gordo? Seriously. These threads have wasted too much space from an unworthy ass.
I hate to say this, but Gordo has become the thread topic.
However, I live in a glass house too.
Now excuse me, I need to go lower some blinds.
Bigvic
GMTA
Well, I see we are still beating up each other but are relatively troll free. I guess that is good.
Listen, I have been down all day about this country. Sometimes we say things that are best left in our subconscious. Not sure why. I went after a pretty innocent guy today because I cannot stand what the Evangelicals are doing to the Christian religion. I am pretty sure it was not Bryan's fault: but he identified himself as such.
People who frequent places like this are passionate people. In the heat of the moment or out of a dire need for relief: sometimes we are a little quick with what we say.
When I grade the kids on a subject that I have tested extensively, I throw out the lowest score: it might be that they did not feel like complying that day. I suggest we all do the same.
Alright, what are we talking about?
Vile Ponytailed Fucker Charles Johnson whips his lizards up to trash Giuliana Sgrena, now a 'commie' (Johnson is a slavering puppet of the far-right now). Click on homepage below to read an article from Il Manifesto by this brave woman who spent two years in Iraq. It's about an Iraqi woman who was tortured at Abu Graib.
Hecate, the woman said she was afraid to take it off the hinges and bring it to a priest. WTH??? Some people...
"Gordan's real picture at dogsnot.net:.."
The bleach in my eyes will only sting for a few more hours.
Ah, compliance
"Of topic but tell me what you think. How about displacing Iowa as the first in the nation, moving up New Hampshire so it's really first in the nation, move up the South Carolina Primary so it is second, follow it the next week by a caucuses in PA, New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa, Wisconsin, and Oregon. Maybe then have a Super Tuesday where Texas, California, New York, Illinois, and Ohio have their primaries."
truman
Or hold them all on the same day for both parties, and declare that Tuesday a National Holiday, thereby limiting the excuses for inability to vote on that day.
GMTA
EkCenTriK,
I plead ignoranec. What does GMTA mean? /shamefully unaware of hip terms.
Jeebus is in the house
Ripley
Yeah, but the snowboarding rooster is REALLY impressive 
great minds think alike, vic
How about getting rid of primaries out in the middle of nowhere altogether
Off Topic:
"Ten Reasons Not To Display the Ten Commandments"
by James L. Evans, pastor of Auburn First Baptist Church in Auburn, Ala.
Click homepage for link.
My favorite, and the one logical result of this that caught my attention the moment this whole 'display of the 10 commandments' became an issue:
"Number Five. Public displays of the Ten Commandments are a form of idolatry."
Too bad the likes of these overly religious fascists are just that. People who can't stand not having their faith give them the right to buttf*ck you anytime they please, or stand out and be seen.
When is the invisible clowd being going to start smiting some of these sons of bitches?
MYOB'
.
Or "gutter minds", depending on the topic at hand. lol
Jim Gibbons wrote a letter to the editor as a response to a reader's letter to the editor. His was published today.
Anyone want to read it?
Lahontan Valley News
http://www.lahontanvalleynews.co...inion/
103030004
I have a lifetime pass against spelling and typing errors. Always remember.
DWD--I have the same grading policy, for the same reason. Even my best students have bad days.
shoot. I posted the woman's letter.
Here's Gibbon's letter
http://www.lahontanvalleynews.co...0013/-1/
OPINION
declare that Tuesday a National Holiday
And for the general elections in November too.
Ripley,
What, her priest won't make house calls??
These people must not have enough to do.
shoot. I posted the woman's letter.
Here's Gibbon's letter
http://www.lahontanvalleynews.co...0013/-1/
OPINION
Slim,
I cannot believe that gallery is actually on el gordo's site...
i went to the index page and started lookign around, all sorts of really weird shite.
lots of Jeff Gannon/Suckert-type stuff.
HILARIOUS!
Sallyh,
I was pointing out that WGG has given me a lot of information and insight. We all have days when we have just had it with the bullshit (for lack of a better term) I am pretty sure that WGG would not make a blanket generalization that is so hurtful unless something happened that caused him pain. (For me it is as easy as three minutes of Joey Scarborough)
The other novel election day idea is to have polls open simultaneously nationwide and close 24 hours later.
For example start at 6PM Eastern, 3PM Pacific and all polls close at the same moment 24 hours later. Everybody gets a full 24 hour day to vote and there's no regional biasing.
I have been thinking about the Gibbons issue as well as the unnamed troll's flinging of titles at folks here.
I am really getting tired of being defined both personally and inclusive of a group. Gibbons knew exactly what he was doing, face it, he is not a rookie and neither was his drunk in delivering his diatribe. The words were stolen, prepared and flung forward. He knew that the net effect would be many upset liberals and banked on it. The call to arms fills the shrill and fascist labels they push on liberals. The consequences he is currently suffering is exactly what he was expecting. Why, I have no clue other than it smacks a lot of good people in the face and allows their detractors to nod their heads knowningly and smirk a bit. That is not politics, that is early stage thuggery. It is amazing how many times someone who thinks he or she is a die hard state of the art conservative asks me a presuming question only to find out I either have a completely unexpected answer or even more so agrees with them. These people are managing to stereotype 49% of this country and from my view are working on a portion of their own 51%.
What can we do about this folks?
Wow... Gibbon's letter is sooo condescending. He has "great respect" for Ms. De Braga? Come ON!
Regarding promises to my grandfather from DKos.
It is poignant and wonderful story. Because of the book that I wrote, I am much more deeply involved in that remembrance than I ever was before. But watching the people rail against minorities and "fags" and "heathens" certainly does make it seem possible here. Scary. Very scary.
I don't know that we can do anything about it. And trying to think of something to do is a good way to drive yourself crazy.
Nice little article in Editor & Publisher about a local Oregon paper suing the thugs at USANext
Kono tends to pop off at times, for sure. He often makes blanket, sweepng statements that are hyperbole, but it's part of his persona.
and this excuses what?
nothing.
apply the same standards you would when evaluating a troll.
then get back to me.
-J.T.
U.S.M.C
RECON
okay, on the one hand el gordo has this on his website titled "gay"
http://tinyurl.com/5hft9
on the other hand, he also has pics of his pal "GOB"--GOB is the leather dude on his home page like this:
http://tinyurl.com/6axde
AND, he has pics like this:
http://tinyurl.com/5cxbf
where he shows his frat pals just like Jeff Suckert...
No wonder he fled the thread!
wha?,
Umm...it was a post on the comment portion of a blog. I'm sorry, I just can't get myself as worked up about those as I do about torture and death squads. Maybe it's just me, but it just doesn't quite rise to the same level of evil.
yet woody was talking about your neighbors, your friends, perhaps even your family.
in my book nobody fucks with family.
sorry you can't extend that level of empathy.
-J.T.
I cannot help but put myself in the place of our brave soldiers who are fighting the war on terrorism...
that's a fuck'n load.
gibbons must be dumber than a monkey.
in fact i would say our threat from muslim extremists is directly proportional to our engagement in iraq. and that unfortunately is not likely to change anytime soon.
meanwhile, where the fuck is Osama?
JohnT does have a point. If we are going to be the "good" guys in our mind for the values we promote, then we have to be fair and square.
Otherwise we simply show up here, vent our venom and leave. Even if it is painful, if something is gained, even if be found wrong, then each party to a conflict has progressed.
That is why I have little respect for Trolls, they contribute nothing and cede nothing. They are simply disrupters, attempting to shut down free discourse and an exchange of ideas.
here's a good one:
http://tinyurl.com/6pguu
interestingly enough, the Portland Trib is owned by Pamplin, a bigtime Xian fundie and former (or maybe he still owns) Xian Supply, the rather strangely named store that "supplies" Xians with whatever it is they think they might need.
Hey, Ripley! Here's something kinda bluegrassy/country-gospel twangy.
Well, the good lord is with me, he's around me every day,
His commandments are pithy, and they help me find my way
And if sometimes I get weak and I start to feel doubt,
I pick up a hunk of teak and he always helps me out.
'Cause I see Jesus in my coffee table, right there in the grain,
Just above the waxy buildup, just below the stain,
Don't you try to dare imply it's something in my brain,
'Cause Jesus in my coffee table, right there in the grain.
Now Jesus is my savior, and he's handy 'round the house,
He cleans up after both my cats and dresses up my spouse,
He never lets stuff hit the carpet, never leaves a smell,
And no cake or souffle I've set upon him ever fell.
I've got Jesus in my coffee table, an inspiring tale,
There's his profile in the knothole, just like Chip 'n' Dale,
Dubious, but I'm not a nut, who knew the Holy Grail
Was destined for my living room when Art Van had a sale.
It all makes perfect sense to me, that this is how he'd show,
His day job was a carpenter, he'd work with what he'd know,
And all the joins are perfect, of a seam there's not a trace...
But I coulda sworn when it was new, the legs were NAILED in place!
I've got Jesus in my coffee table, praise be to the lord,
Don't call me unstable, I can see him, and he's board,
Don't give me the third degree, the only thing I'm sayin',
Is Jesus in my coffee table, right there in the grain.
OT but 400+ down, who cares? Besides, we just been told a couple times that Jeebus is in the house.
So there I am at choir practice Thursday night, and the director passes out "Ave verum". It's not the familiar Mozart setting, it's got music by some guy I never heard of before and can't remember now, and as I look through it I see it's got a slightly longer text. After "..in mortis examine" it goes on "Jesu dulcis, Jesu pie...". Instant Smartaleck Translator in my brain kicks in, I nudge the alto on my left and softly exclaim "Sweet Jesus! Jesus pie!" ,sending her into giggles.
Anybody got a good recipe for Jesus pie?
Jeebus, J.T. -
I was going to let it drop, but you know you're mighty thin-skinned for a friggin' marine.
Yes, I do have family - two brothers - in the military, both navy, and frankly, I don't care if Woody calls the U.S. military a bunch of child-buggering serial killers!! I just don't give a fuck. He's a commenter on a blog, who gives a shit what he calls the military?
He wasn't fucking with your family, he was making a heated exaggeration on a blog thread. If you really want to push the issue, if the idea of the military is to fight and kill, then I guess they are a death-squad, aren't they?
And no, I don't think calling the military baby-killers, or death squads, or booger-eaters, or whatever the hell he said rises to the same level of evil as torture or assasination. Sorry. I think I'm in the mainstream on that one, too.
What did you do when you were a kid and someone said that you had cooties? Torch their house?
Hey LJ -
Very cool. Done. Thank you for the clear instructions. Now I know cookies.... (uUnbelievable how many I had in there, like from every site I've ever visited. Quite a revelation.)
Back to packing. I'm never moving again - famous last words...
Hey Filk!
Thanks for the good wishes Hope you're well!
Not bad, Jen, not bad. I may have new wheels in a few days, and please God let them hold up better than the last ones, and otherwise things are looking potentially marvelous on a number of fronts. And you?
Oh please oh please oh please. Can we cease an disist from any and all mention of the moronic idiot Gordo? Seriously. These threads have wasted too much space from an unworthy ass.
bigvic | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 10:30 pm | #
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I hate to say this, but Gordo has become the thread topic.
However, I live in a glass house too.
Now excuse me, I need to go lower some blinds.
EkCenTriK | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 10:30 pm | #
Oh shit, how I love this site. I've been gone for 4 hours to enjoy bbq and gin and tonics with my neighbors and you're all still shooting the shit about me.
Especially Agent Orange - my newest stalker. Every ten minutes this freak child drags me back into the thread. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
I'm just a random troll named Gordon the Magnificent hailing from a dime store blog named, of all things, Dog Snot Diaries - and that's all you assholes have to talk about on a saturday night?
You people have bottomed out!
But I still enjoy being here.
Good one, Tom, is that an original of yours? I couldn't write a song to save my life.
2 new threads, dear hearts.
At any rate, I'm off to mix a drink and I'll return in five. I'm certain by then I'll have several insults to reply too but I'll only focus on those worthy of a retort.
You, Agent Blowtorch, need to discuss something other than my mother or my pics to be considered worthy.
Just cranked it out for you, Ripley. And so to bed. Hail and farewell until next time, fellow moonbats!
He wasn't fucking with your family, he was making a heated exaggeration on a blog thread.
do you excuse gordie for the same? or any other twit?
it was a stupid thing to say. sorry you give so much latitude to your comrades and so little to your friends.
hope you brought your lunch.
-J.T.
gordo,
you is still fucked. grow up, move on.
-J.T.
You need a crying towel JT or do you have a point?
J.T.-
Huh? How do I give so little latitude to my freinds? Unless you mean that you're my friend and I'm somehow not giving you the benefit of the doubt. If that's the case I'm sorry.
As for giving him latitude, I'm not giving him anything. I'm saying that you shouldn't let what other people say drive you to the point that you start indicting anyone who won't condemn them; then you're just picking fights with strangers over something somebody else said. I won't condemn him. I won't condemn you. It's just not that big of a sin.
Like I said, I'm sorry he hurt your feelings.
Why do you keep talking about lunch..? I do usually bring mine, if not I buy it, but that gets expensive...
Anyway, I don't think anyone here really thinks that every man or woman in the military is a bloodthirsty serial killer or mindless assasin. I'm sure that you're not, and I'm sure that most aren't.
As for Woody, I like his posts, and hope he keeps it up.
gordo,
that you've been busted as a chicken hawk wanna be. couldn't be clearer.
you want i should do it in phonetics?
-J.T.
J.T. -
Honestly, Gordo isn't worth your time. He's lonely and looking for attention. Don't waste yourself on him.
And I hope I didn't add to your distress, seriously.
to the point that you start indicting anyone who won't condemn them;
isn't that exactly what woody did?
-J.T.
"to the point that you start indicting anyone who won't condemn them;
isn't that exactly what woody did?
-J.T."
No, I don't think he was requiring us to agree with him. He was willing to be out there all on his own.
Again, I don't necessarily buy into his generalization, but I'm not going to condemn him for it, either.
I gotta go...my wife always thinks I'm having some kind of cyber-affiar if we don't watch "The Iron Chef" together.
Later.
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http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon2.jpg
We don't need to make fun of Gordo. A picture is worth a thousand words...
yet woody was talking about your neighbors, your friends, perhaps even your family.
in my book nobody fucks with family.
sorry you can't extend that level of empathy.
-J.T.
JohnTomato
Heya J.T. So, Ive never been here before today. And I have a lot of family that have served. Most every male in the family over the age of 30, truth be told. Praise God none of us are currently serving.
This seems a bit overblown, though. I mean, one guy does a bit of namecalling, and you spend a night arguing over it? I mean, seems like it would be more important to find something to do to try to make it so none of our military could be legitimately called these(deathsquad, etc), rather than spending so much time defending that not all of our military can be broadbrushed so. Granted, theres probably not a lot you can do, but at least stand up to it. Do you see this at all?
josh
Just put a press pass bumper sticker on your car so I can shoot at you as ordered. It will end this ridiculous argument...
Why the hell do our soldiers have to run checkpoints still? Shoulnd't a sovereign gov't fulfill this?
Why are we doing a police action? Viet Nam all over.
If this is a police (it is) could it arguably be said we're enforcing/creating a police state(there and here)?
Of course. Such is the nature of facsim.
Meanwhile this is a pattern of targeting press, you know the italaian Jounralists/diplomats fired upon probably had well marked vehicles for such situations.
Why are our troops overdeployed, spread thin, and put into these situations?
These are the questions to ask. As for people being against troops and their families- see the death threats on families wanting to enforce the SUllivan rule.
yet woody was talking about your neighbors, your friends, perhaps even your family.
in my book nobody fucks with family.
sorry you can't extend that level of empathy.
-J.T.
JohnTomato
Heya J.T. So, Ive never been here before today. And I have a lot of family that have served. Most every male in the family over the age of 30, truth be told. Praise God none of us are currently serving.
This seems a bit overblown, though. I mean, one guy does a bit of namecalling, and you spend a night arguing over it? I mean, seems like it would be more important to find something to do to try to make it so none of our military could be legitimately called these(deathsquad, etc), rather than spending so much time defending that not all of our military can be broadbrushed so. Granted, theres probably not a lot you can do, but at least stand up to it. Do you see this at all?
josh
yet woody was talking about your neighbors, your friends, perhaps even your family.
in my book nobody fucks with family.
sorry you can't extend that level of empathy.
-J.T.
JohnTomato
Heya J.T. So, Ive never been here before today. And I have a lot of family that have served. Most every male in the family over the age of 30, truth be told. Praise God none of us are currently serving.
This seems a bit overblown, though. I mean, one guy does a bit of namecalling, and you spend a night arguing over it? I mean, seems like it would be more important to find something to do to try to make it so none of our military could be legitimately called these(deathsquad, etc), rather than spending so much time defending that not all of our military can be broadbrushed so. Granted, theres probably not a lot you can do, but at least stand up to it. Do you see this at all?
josh
we just thought of something, and then we really are going finally: where the hell is jt's outrage over the basis of this whole discussion, which is the absolute lack of due process for Iraqi targets?!
k&y,
due process in a war zone. if that ever happens be sure to let me know. ever happens.
-J.T.
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