I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
woohoo! frist!
Fuck Bush!!!
Fuck Bush (and the whores, all of them)
Fuck all of them.
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Gordon's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
Atrios -
Isn't 'snotballs' LGF?
Is this the link you meant to put up?
Hahahahahaha! Hoo boy.
Moral: if you volunteer to be cannon fodder for this government, realize that the government will not give one goddamn about what happens to you, or to your family.
I agree with this guy's sentiments, but that's snotty, elitist bullshit.
Fuck you, Arthur.
As long as they're not being drafted let them go. Wasn't there a story where an American women lost both her husband and father as killed in Iraq.
You know some pasty faced dork with a laptop wouldn't dare say that elitist lefty horseshit to that mother or her sons' faces.
Got that? We “know enough” to remake the map of the entire world – including invading and occupying (and/or constantly threatening) countries that pose no serious danger to us – but somehow our government is unable to “track” all the members of one family.
You know some pasty faced dork with a laptop wouldn't dare say that elitist lefty horseshit to that mother or her sons' faces.
Wouldn't dare?
Swann received a four-line response on White House stationery from Heidi Marquez, director of presidential correspondence. It said: “The White House is sending your inquiry to the Defense Department. This agency has the expertise to address your concerns. They will respond directly to you, as promptly as possible.”
“I’ve never heard another word from them,” Swann said.
She'd totally agree with the sentiment.
the Witmer's had threats??? unfuckbelievable.
i still remeber the front page pic of all three young women before their deployment.
FUCK BUSH FUCKBUSH FUCK BUSH
Unpatriotic military families should keep their mouths shut.
She'd totally agree with the sentiment.
Calling her sons "cannon fodder" (read: a dumbass rube) after one of them got killed? You're smoking crack.
I took the last sentence to mean Rumsfeld & the Pentagon considered the troops 'cannon fodder', not the writer.
Fucked up tags. Nothing like a draft dodging admin sending in fresh faced volunteers to get killed for a farce. Then spitting on them. Compassion, baby!
Hey, hey, Old Hat: I phrased it imprecisely. I didn't mean the phrase "cannon fodder" as a criticism of those who volunteer at all. I meant it ONLY as criticism of this lousy administration, starting wars of aggression for no good reason at all. And I meant that all such volunteers will be TREATED as cannon fodder. And that is certainly true.
Atrios -
Isn't 'snotballs' LGF?
Is this the link you meant to put up?
Eligere is wondering the same.
Did you read the article?
They should be human shields
Their decision led to death threats and criticism from some who thought the other daughters should return to their units despite their sister’s death, he said. Radio stations held call-in discussions and the family received numerous threatening phone calls.
Nice, way to comfort a mother who lost her child. I don't think that any of these pasty faced wingnuts with a laptop would have had the nerve to say any of this stuff to the mother's face.
I took the last sentence to mean Rumsfeld & the Pentagon considered the troops 'cannon fodder', not the writer.
That's awfully generous of you. I've heard this type of tripe bandied about everywhere: DKos, Democratic Underground, etc. I certainly got the point this guy was trying to make.
This disrespectful-of-the-dead, dismissive garbage is nothing new and it embarrasses me to be associated with it, because I'm on the left.
Maybe "snotballs" was in reference to the obvious LGFers who sent death threats to the family whose daughters remained stateside after a sister was killed? Just a guess.
pie, read the article. Did I miss something?
Their decision led to death threats and criticism from some who thought the other daughters should return to their units despite their sister's death, he said.
I was wondering where the chickenhawk fighting typist brigade fit in until I saw that. Some screwed up crap - "support the troops" by threatening the family of a dead soldier.
As a human being, I'm sick about it. As a vet, I'm almost starting to need to take a piece out of one of these guys.
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those links were pretty wild. I ended up on Wapo, nothing related, but an article on China and Taiwan exchanging some business and nice words, and the Chinese Parliament getting ready to pass "no succession" bill for Taiwan.
Oh, is that why Chimpy has gone out of his way to announce we'd defend Taiwan "whatever it takes".
Next installment: WWIII.
Just that usually 101st keyboarders refers particularly to conservative bloggers like LGF.
Speaking of human shields
from The Observer:
'The hardest moment was when I saw the person who had saved me die in my arms,'
...Italian reconstruction of the incident is significantly different. Sgrena told colleagues the vehicle was not travelling fast and had already passed several checkpoints on its way to the airport. The Americans shone a flashlight at the car and then fired between 300 and 400 bullets at if from an armoured vehicle. Rather than calling immediately for assistance for the wounded Italians, the soldiers' first move was to confiscate their weapons and mobile phones and they were prevented from resuming contact with Rome for more than an hour.
Faux
Jennifer: "Maybe "snotballs" was in reference to the obvious LGFers.."
Ah so. Makes sense. I thought Atrios was maybe referring to the bashing of the wounded Italian Journo now in full swing at LGF.
As an aside on that, I believe the vehicle was a late model SUV or similar. In which case, it likely has a chip in the engine computer which would show the last 60 seconds or so of road data -- including the speed the vehicle was travelling.
Bush brings out the worst in America.
I cannot argue with this:
Moral: if you volunteer to be cannon fodder for this government, realize that the government will not give one goddamn about what happens to you, or to your family.
Hey Chimp! Dick! Rummy! You fucking cowards. How dare you waste the lives of gullable Patriots when you thought your sick and sorry asses were too precious to see combat?
Calling her sons "cannon fodder" (read: a dumbass rube) after one of them got killed? You're smoking crack.
Which son would that be?
Rather than calling immediately for assistance for the wounded Italians, the soldiers' first move was to confiscate their weapons and mobile phones and they were prevented from resuming contact with Rome for more than an hour.
Jeez, I'm surprised they didn't pull the old plant-the-ankle-gun-on-the-dead-guy trick...
I wish those families had a close enough relationship with their congresspeople that they (state reps, senators) could take care of this abomination for them.
They sure as hell would in my state, or anyone hearing they didn't would be after them with baseball bats.
One of the things we pay them for.
As an aside on that, I believe the vehicle was a late model SUV or similar. In which case, it likely has a chip in the engine computer which would show the last 60 seconds or so of road data -- including the speed the vehicle was travelling.
Is it bulletproof?
Takes a big man (or woman) to tell someone what kinds of decisions to make after enduring a devastating personal tragedy. Yup. Class acts all the way. 
Oh please oh please oh please. Can we cease an disist from any and all mention of the moronic idiot Gordo? Seriously. These threads have wasted too much space from an unworthy ass.
bigvic | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 10:30 pm | #
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I hate to say this, but Gordo has become the thread topic.
However, I live in a glass house too.
Now excuse me, I need to go lower some blinds.
EkCenTriK | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 10:30 pm | #
Oh shit, how I love this site. I've been gone for 4 hours to enjoy bbq and gin and tonics with my neighbors and you're all still shooting the shit about me.
Especially Agent Orange - my newest stalker. Every ten minutes this freak child drags me back into the thread. Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
I'm just a random troll named Gordon the Magnificent hailing from a dime store blog named, of all things, Dog Snot Diaries - and that's all you assholes have to talk about on a saturday night?
You people have bottomed out!
Presumably the US has posession of the car fired upon. Do you think they'll release images of it?
Ah so. Makes sense. I thought Atrios was maybe referring to the bashing of the wounded Italian Journo now in full swing at LGF.
They can bash all they want.
This one's not going to go away.
And those responsible for the *beheadings* and all those little assholes who ranted and raved about them now are less believable than ever.
Things are so rotten that it'll take a cleansing flood to get rid of the filth.
Bush brings out the worst in America.
Hecate
i hate that bastard, i loathe him, i have always felt this way, about all republicans (they are greedy, and they lie) but bush is a special and unique case.
wait till we get the draft, then we'll get to see some blood flow.
i hate that bastard.
snotballs definately refers to the nazis at lgf.
Where'd you go, Old Hat?
You leave, and Gordo appears.
I'm no pacifist and have supported various military actions in the past. But I do believe that government has one basic responsibility with respect to warfare:
Before you kill innocent civilians and/or send troops into harm's way, you'd better have a damn good reason to do so.
That's the rule the Bush regime broke when it lied about WMD and lied about the Saddam/9-11 non-connection. Thanks to those lies, 1500 American soldiers, not to mention 10s of thousands of innocent civilians, are dead.
And if there's any justice in the afterlife, there's gotta be a special place reserved deep in the bowels of hell for the thugs and liars of the Bush regime.
Things are so rotten that it'll take a cleansing flood to get rid of the filth.
Baldwin said "...No more water, the fire next time."
There are a couple of threads at that knuckle dragging mouth breathing brain dead moron site I won't even mention in mixed company[humans and clones]. I guess pigbuagh didn't tell them what to think because confusion reigns. Mostly supportive but with the usual mouth breathing:
"Cowards, in it for themselves... "I want to stay home, let someone else fight in my place." "
i hate that bastard, i loathe him, i have always felt this way, about all republicans (they are greedy, and they lie) but bush is a special and unique case.
i hate that bastard.
charley | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:23 pm | #
I'm sure you do hate 54% of your countrymen. I don't dount you hate the President. You see charley, you are the voice of the modern liberal - all full of hate, spite, and fear.
No longer do we see the liberal of the sixties that put flowers in barrels in Ohio, we have cornered animals like charlie snapping at anything in reach like a poisoned rat or rabid dog.
Yes charley, people like YOU and all your hate are responsible for the loss of the election and the complete lack of support from the MAJORITY of America.
You are quite the spokesman for Atrios.
I wonder if there's a way the Italian government (assuming the Berlusconi government would have the ovaries) could subpoena any sort of chip of the type WTF? brought up.
I really wonder if any truth on the incident will come from any of the governments involved.
And that 3rd ID press release was some weak shit - "fired into the engine block," my ass.
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I stopped at a convenience store, way to work, and 2 nice young men were there wearing brand new camo suits, flag insignias on them.
Young boys, one had pink cheeks, very nice. I asked if they were soldiers, and thanked them.
They were so young, polite, and innocent. The kind of young people you'd go out of your way to protect. Broke my heart.
54%?
That's the rule the Bush regime broke when it lied about WMD.
monchie b. monchum | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:26 pm | #
You're woefully erronous monchie. You could contend that the Bush Admin was misinformed, but not that they lied.
A. George W. Bush isn't 54% of America.
B. 54% of Americans do not support Bush.
C. 54% of Americans who bothered to vote for president did not vote for Bush.
D. Gordo is 100% batshit crazy.
54%?
TWO tours in Iraq? | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:31 pm | #
Ha Ha Agent Blowtorch! Your so cowardly you hide behind anon names? Where's all your big talk now that I'm here? Well?
Jeepers H, Christmas. Nothing is sacred in this admin. They glory in "The Troops" and cut their benifits. They send them into insecure situations on a daily basis because their invasion plans were so cheneyed up it was beyond belief.
I could go on, but we all know how this story will end.
Not sure what TalkLeft show it was I had on, on Sirius, a couple of hours ago ... but the host was interviewing an Italian journalist who, apparently, believed Sgrena might have included some information (in a story already submitted for publication) that would implicate the U.S. military in using chemical weapons that would have been illegal based on prior treaties the U.S. had signed and leaned on other countries to sign, such as chemical weapons and magnesium-based napalm-type 'drop bombs' (I think most of us have already seen or heard rumors of this stuff being used).
Supposedly, the article she was writing that included the information was to be published in her newspaper tomorrow.
This is all, of course, brief hearsay based on a liberal radio show on Sirius -- take it for what it's worth. I'm still riding Occam's Razor on this one, and attributing to carelessness and ignorance what I'd be willing to attribute to malice if I had additional information; I don't want to think it was deliberate, in other words. I find it plausible that it was poor communication, and I'll believe that until I have further information proving me wrong.
And to get back on topic -- to hammer people for mourning their children and begging, if they've already lost a child, to have their other children or step-children returned to them ... Jesus H. Christ on toast points, how insensitive and immature do you have to be to give those people a load of crap? What the fuck is wrong with anybody who'd dare challenge these people? FFS, are the 101st Fighting Keyboarders people who've never lost anything but a watch in their pathetic little lives, or what?
Gordon, On or about 5:30 PM Friday March 4 2005, Did you say the following
"Keep barking all day little doggie, but are you gonna bite? Were we face to face dorkboy, I'd be rubbing your nose in my dog's shit. That's a fact, not like your talk.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats."
Yes or No
Well, goodnight all. The nurse said it's time for lights out.
A. George W. Bush isn't 54% of America.
B. 54% of Americans do not support Bush.
C. 54% of Americans who bothered to vote for president did not vote for Bush.
D. Gordo is 100% batshit crazy.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:32 pm | #
Suit yourself Jen.
1)It takes more than one vote to win an election.
2)Let's see some facts, not just your cakehole flapping.
3)I guess you missed that landslide election where Bush set the RECORD for populat vote? Do you read the papers or do you gather all your news from this fishwrapper?
4)Suit yourself. I may be crazy but you're just a misinformed, ignorant cunt.
You could contend that the Bush Admin was misinformed, but not that they lied.
If you were smoking crack.
Speaking of the same old crap all over again, looks like BuschCo thinks Syria isn't backing down fast enough.
A favorite technique - make demands so sweeping and humiliating that to obey them in effect means political suicide for the opposition. Then use natural resistance to the demand to level accusations of obstruction and strike up the war drums. Feb - Mar 2003?
Of course, Herr Bush did not invent this tactic. It was used in the acquisition of Austria and Czechoslovakia, though I forget exactly when..
No, I don't.
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bush lied about wmds. i knew there were none there. anyone who paid any attention knew there were none there.
You could contend that the Bush Admin was misinformed, but not that they lied.
If you were smoking crack.
pie | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:36 pm | #
Is that so Pie? Kerry beleived there were WMD's. Did he lie to when he voted to go to war?
Oh shit, how I love this site. I've been gone for 4 hours to enjoy bbq and gin and tonics with my neighbors and you're all still shooting the shit about me.
and that's all you assholes have to talk about on a saturday night?
You people have bottomed out!
Gordon the Magnificent
What is the purpose of responding to trolls?
Self induldgence?
Blowing of steam?
You're going to convince them?
OR, you just can't resist?
Hook, line and sinker.
Fools
Whether Bush was "misinformed" (by his own special intelligence agency set up by Rumsfeld) or "lied", the one thing not at issue is that this was a war of choice.
As in, he could have ordered the troops in when he did, or he could have held off invading forever, or taken a middle road to wait for 1) UN inspectors to finish their work or 2) at least long enough to outfit all the troops with ARMOUR.
It was Bush's CHOICE to send ill-equipped troops into battle. He CHOSE to do that, obviously because he didn't CARE if they had all possible protections or not.
"Cowards, in it for themselves... "I want to stay home, let someone else fight in my place." "
hadenough |
The worthless fucks at lgf said this about REAL soldiers? It must be painful to be this stupid. Truly, they are the spokespeople for the modern republican party.
If you were smoking crack.
Mmmmm...crack.
If you were smoking crack.
pie
Gosh, it's been so many years since someone smoked my crack. Any takers?
Shhhhh, here comes the nurse!
bush lied about wmds. i knew there were none there. anyone who paid any attention knew there were none there.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:37 pm | #
That's some big talk. Got proof to back that piehole up?
sweet dreams
Nads,
No the other place. Begins with and f.
You're the only intelligent one here Cracker.
Here's an example of the Ponytailed Fuck Squeaky Johnson. He blathers out this:
3/5/2005: AP Slams US Military
You are not going to believe this Associated Press story, soon to be served up in the morning newspapers of America: Freed Journalist Devoted to World’s Weak.
OK, now brace yourselves. Here comes the 'slam':
"The release was marred by an incident in which coalition troops fired on the car carrying her to the airport."
The ponytailed fuck whines:
"There is not a single word in this article on the US military’s side of the story.
What he's complaining about? The 'high speed approach to a checkpoint' bullshit. AP didn't print that, and if they had they would have just made the US look worse. By now, it's increasingly obvious that:
The vehicle was not speeding.
It was fired on by a patrol.
Don't expect to see any updates or corrections on LGF though. When events turn out different (as in the Coptic murders in NJ) they just go quiet. A more dishonest bunch of bootlickers you've never seen.
They were so young, polite, and innocent. The kind of young people you'd go out of your way to protect. Broke my heart.
el
guy i work with went into conveinience store, talking with 18 year old cashier. he's a gregarious type, struck up a conversation. said she had plans, was going to join the gaurd. he pointed out to her this would probably mean a tour of duty in iraq. she was oblivious, said that recruiter had not mentioned that at all.
when your two aquantainances get back they may not be so fresh faced and innocent. and sadly there service will not at all protect us from the real threat of terrorism, in fact it will no doubt exacerbate it.
like i said, i loathe that motherfucker.
Perry Mason | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:35 pm | #
Look everyone it's the coward AGENT ORANGE posting under other names again.
Speak for yourself coward.
Cracker, who asked you?
We were talking about Arthur's post and the horrific events in Iraq.
Do you want to say something about those that or not?
If not, get lost.
Bush brings out the worst in America.
Yep. The scar that bastard has left on the image of America is deep. Thanks to him, the entire world hates us and thinks we are dumb asswipes like the red rubes that almost elected him.
"Landslides" refer to huge MARGINS of victory, not that "more people voted in this election than in 1950" or whatever other nonsense you care to pull out of your ass.
Bush won 51% of the vote. Not 54%. Numbers, unlike trolls and GOP mouthpieces, do not lie. Go look it up, cuntboy.
Viewer disgression advised
Gordon's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
like i said, i loathe
charley | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:40 pm | #
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I know you do charley. You and all your type are full of anger and hate. We all know.
All these people have is their hate. They're not worth the effort of hating in return. It only gives them pleasure, anyway, as our exhibit A demonstrates.
got proof to back that up?"
yeah. there are no wmds.
I encourage dissent. It's why our Nation broke off from 10,000 years of state sponsored death or hellish life to any who would dare to publicly criticize those in power.
But I don't like using the moniker "101st" for anything other than in revererence to those young lives of the 101st Airborne who froze to death in the snow at Bastogne 60 years ago.
They held out as long as they could.
And then they died.
You could contend that the Bush Admin was misinformed, but not that they lied.
If you were smoking crack.
pie
You could maintain this fallacy while on crack, but the crash would be a killer.
However, it may just be easier for the sheep to believe their little fantasies than to acknowledge that they are suckers following a war criminal.
Kinda like abused spouses who need to maintain that their man really, really loves them when he kicks the shit out of them.
Pity the suckers ... they just aren't that bright.
OT, but it's my buddy Martha
Martha is a dem. They must crush her:
Some rap musicians have for years burnished their street credibility through weapons possession charges or worse.
But Ms. Stewart has used prison to soften her image - to make her, in the public eye, a more sympathetic person than the perfectionist entertainer and executive she was seen to be before her sentence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/0...iew/
06glat.html
So, to soften her image, Martha had a rethug controlled committee send a couple federal investigators over to question her. Then had a government witness commit perjury. Then had herself convicted on the thinnest of "evidence."
Here is the bad news. If Martha isn't ruined by this rethug sham, "Conceivably, her success could subtly undermine the deterrent effect of a prison sentence." Wow!
More NYT:
Conceivably, her success could subtly undermine the deterrent effect of a prison sentence, but that is neither here nor there, said David Becker, a former general counsel at the Securities and Exchange Commission...
People go to prison and serve their time; once they have done so, they're through, Mr. Becker said.
"The criminal justice system is not about cleansing one's soul," he said.
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
I HATE 24/7! IT'S WHAT I DO!
But I don't like using the moniker "101st" for anything other than in revererence to those young lives of the 101st Airborne who froze to death in the snow at Bastogne 60 years ago.
They held out as long as they could.
And then they died.
John Peter Zenger | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:43 pm | #
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Your expectations are set to high for your fellow moonbats. They discredit and take giant shits on the fighting men and women of our Armed Forces routinely.
Please ignore dipwad.
He's only here for the abuse, so don't give it to him.
I HATE 24/7! IT'S WHAT I DO!
charley | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:44 pm | #
We know. You embody the modern liberal.
byrd was lying too
Obviously, in October 2002, Senator Byrd was unaware that the "Saddam is trying to buy yellowcake" story was bullshit.
But Bush knew. And said it anyway.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats."
Repeated from downthread:
Latest from Giuliana's partner Scolari (from La Repubblica.it)
14:59 Scolari: "Militari Usa hanno impedito i soccorsi"
"I militari Usa hanno impedito i soccorsi per alcuni minuti e hanno impedito che chiunque si avvicinasse all'auto". Lo ha detto Pier Scolari entrando all'ospedale del Celio. "Giuliana aveva avuto delle informazioni secondo le quali gli Usa non l'avrebbero lasciata tornare viva a casa. Il governo ha l'obbligo di fare luce e gli Usa devono avere il coraggio di dire che in Iraq siamo in mano a dei ragazzini", ha aggiunto Scolari.
US soldiers prevented first aid.
"The US soldiers prevented first aid for several minutes and prevented anyone from coming near the car", said Pier Scolari as he entered Celio (military) hospital. "Giuliana had had information that the USA wouldn't let her return home alive. The Government must cast light on what happened and the USA must have the courage to say that in Iraq we are in the hands of teenagers", he added.
14:56 Scolari: "Giuliana ha raccolto manciate di proiettili"
"Giuliana ha raccolto decine di proiettili, a manciate, erano tutti sul sedile dopo la sparatoria". Lo ha detto Pier Scolari, aggiungendo che "Calipari aveva fatto quella strada tantissime volte e quindi si potrebbe pensare male: che gli americani non volevano il lieto fine. Questo è un motivo buono per andare via dall'Iraq".
"Giuliana has collected handfuls of bullets"
"Giuliana collected dozens of bullets, by the handful, they were all on the carseat after the shooting", said Pier Scolari, adding that "Calipari had travelled along that road a great many times, so there is reason to suspect foul play: that the Americans didn't want the happy ending. This is a good reason to leave Iraq".
Klaatu | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:24 pm | #
Giuliana Sgrena and wounded Italian military intel agent have been interviewed by Italian magistrate... after he left she spoke with press, said it was a PATROL not a checkpoint - suddenly found themselves in that shot at them, shot immediately with no warning whatsoever, instant massive hail of bullets and no chance to communicate - confirms the car was NOT speeding, was travelling at slowish normal speed.
"Non era un check point, ma una pattuglia che ha sparato appena dopo averci illuminato con un faro. Non si è capita la provenienza dei proiettili, precedentemente non avevamo incontrato posti di blocco".
" IT WAS NOT A CHECKPOINT BUT A PATROL THAT SHOT AT US IMMEDIATELY AFTER HAVING TURNED A LIGHT ON US. WE COULDN?T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BULLETS WERE COMING FROM, BEFORE THAT WE HADN'T ENCOUNTERED ANY CHECKPOINTS"
(Giuliana Sgrena)
http://www.repubblica.it/2005/c/...loc/ nveloc.html
Klaatu | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:28 pm | #
WMDs
Who really gives a shit
We're getting our butts wiped by people with the true God on their sides.
The ponytailed fuck whines:
"There is not a single word in this article on the US military’s side of the story.
Sweet fucking hell. The (((fucking survivors))) of this incident have had no mention in the U.S. press. Crikey. Willful, forceful ignorance rules the day in red rube Amurika.
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
WTF? - Once again, thanks for going over there and keeping a lookout. Man, I can't stand that place.
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How dare she complain they didn't write back to her
If not, get lost.
pie
Just jumped on the thread, saw trolls post and responded.
I'll go back upthread.
If I was out of line, sorry.
But, I do have a problem with people responding to, and so, encouraging trolls.
I guess in my own way I DID respond to his post.
Gordon is all done.
The Bushies have gone too far.
No more excuses.
But I don't like using the moniker "101st" for anything other than in revererence to those young lives of the 101st Airborne who froze to death in the snow at Bastogne 60 years ago.
John Peter Zenger
That's just TOO FUCKING BAD, troll.
Now go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.
clark was lying too. anyone who believed that iraq had any wmds was lying for whatever reason.
don't mind gordo, he just gets cranky when his hemmorhoids act up after a hard ,lube-free cornholing
Gordon the Sanctimonious Bulls | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:46 pm |
Still hiding behind anon names, AGENT ORANGE?
Ha! Keep making an ass of yourself in front of your peers. Keep shitting where you eat.
The mother was part of the Michael Moore/ moveon.org crowd
"believed" should have been "claimed".
Maybe we are just aggressive fuckwads
Even the Vatican has WMDs...big deal
don't mind gordo, he just gets cranky when his hemmorhoids act up after a hard ,lube-free cornholing
steveeboy | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:48 pm | #
Try to stay on topic, would you stevey? The crowd doesn't need to hear about your homoerotic fanatsies of cornholing me.
Gordon
Why did you lie last night about being in Iraq...twice?
Repeated from downthre-
pie
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Speaking of shitting where you eat, or perhaps just sitting in your own shit, is 51% still > 54%?
Leather masks and nipple rings. True signs of mental and moral superiority.
clark was lying too. anyone who believed that iraq had any wmds was lying for whatever reason.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:48 pm | #
So now one of your candidates was lying too? How about Hillary, or Bill, or Hanio John himself OAF?
Were they lying too?
i suspect that most of the people, including clark, byrd, kerry, etc. who lied and pretended that iraqi wmds were a real threat were simply being diplomatic. most of them only supported further inspections.
Giuliana Sgrena was in Fallujah when the U.S. was *democritizing* it.
OMG.
Splain Gordie 'splain
Why did ju lie last night about being in Iraq...twice?
You fed right into that AGENT ORANGE. You ARE my Dancing Bear.
Keep dancing. I love frustrating the ever loving shit out of you. You see, everyone here knows I'm an asshole - we're all comfortable with it. Bit whenever I show up, YOU reveal your two colors to them.
10/07/2004
Bush, Cheney Concede Saddam Had No WMDs
By SCOTT LINDLAW
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush and his vice president conceded Thursday in the clearest terms yet that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, even as they tried to shift the Iraq war debate to a new issue -
most of them were lying, gordon. that's what politicians do. you judge them based on how much harm their lies do. not whether or not they lie.
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
Giuliana Sgrena wa-
pie
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Repeated from downthre-
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MisterX
*sigh*
The Useless Timewasting Namestealer™ is among us again, I see.
Hey troll, does your mother still cry when you try to seduce her?
most of them were lying, gordon. that's what politicians do. you judge them based on how much harm their lies do. not whether or not they lie.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:53 pm | #
I disagree about their lying on WMD's, but at least your being consistent, not partisan.
But tell me, what knowledge are you privy too? What makes you the authority on WMD? Are you in INTEL or something? Do you have clearences the rest don't?
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch.
if i'd been in iraq twice and made it back, i think i'd probably find something better to do with my time than troll on blogs.
if i'd been in iraq twi-
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The US has killed or tried to kill other journalists in Iraq.
The Bush administration is in deep trouble. Those who continue to support him after this have NO fucking excuse.
Ricky Ricardo | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:53 pm | #
Look everyone, guess who's hiding behind names again?
Agent Orange?
bigvic,
Amazing how many ways the lizards can find to feel victimized.
We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq...
Powell, 24 February 2001
The US has killed or tried to kill other journalists in Iraq.
The Bush administration is in deep trouble. Those who continue to support him after this have NO fucking excuse.
pie | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:56 pm | #
Yawn. Same shit, different week with this guy.
Hey Gordon
Do a good job day-in and day-out and no one cares. Suck one dick and they call you cock sucker the rest of your life.
Dude you got caught sucking the big one. Tell us about your 2 trips to Iraq. Please.
Hahahahahahahahahahhahahah
The Bush administration is in de-
pie
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. - yes, but you're a decent human being, which means you have other things to do with your time, with people who like you.
Gordo doesn't have those things, .. Pity poor Gordo.
(He also lacks a working grasp of mathematics, and believes that 51 is more than 54.)
Well?
I guess in my own way I DID respond to his post.
Cracker | Email | Homepage | 03.05.05 - 11:48 pm | #
you're right cracker. You see it for what it is, unlike your retarded comrade PIEhole.
Hitting the hay.
Please remember that playing with trolls is worthless. Those that play are wasting their time and thread space and wasting the opportunity to have a decent conversation with informed folks. You'll do as you like, but you ruin good conversation.
Peace out.
Night, all.
And troll, you'd better think about getting a different job, because yours has been outsourced to Hell.
gordon, those quotes are just typical diplomatic/political type speech. with the exception of george bush, most politicians and diplomats don't say "fuck you, i'm right and you're wrong so fuck you! i can do whatever i want so fuck you". the normal way to approach these things is to take seriously the concerns of the people you are trying to work with and look for ways to adress them. in this case the people you are quoting took bush's concerns seriously and advocated further inspections as a solution.
i can't remember who, but a few posts ago someone made the salient point.
even if one were to think we had to go to Iraq, and many of my freinds did, we did not have to go when we did. that was based on political calculation.
it's never good when policy is driven by politics. we are finding that out now.
what the hell it's just death and destruction, nothing new there.
Hecate - every one of them reminds me of the William Macy character in Fargo. Dragged blubbering from a seedy hotel room at the bitter end, whining about how none of it was his fault, dishonest and irresponsible in the deepest fiber of his being.
Fuck them all. If some redneck wants to join, he deserves whatever happens to him. Our soldiers are nothing but psychopaths hunting a legal way of killing.
And don't bore me with the "poverty" excuse...they can work at a McDonalds rather than go overseas to indulge in their little Rambo fantasies.
"what knowledge are you privy to?"
i just read everything i could find by scott ritter.
remember when neil bush had sex with those thai hookers? i do.
"BDM" at 11:48 is a namestealer. SOP for the obsessive drooler to get a brain-damaged pal to namesteal while he launches one of his oh-so-scary offensives.
I think we should be reluctant to yell "ambush" in connection with the Sgrena shooting case until some more facts emerge.
I admit that I tend to lean in that direction myself, but I want eyewitnesses. Of course a valid question is, are there any journos left over in Iraq who will do the necessary groundwork to interview people in the neighborhood who might have been eyewitnesses? Will the occupation allow them to do so?
Already in a high state of dudgeon that the weak-ass "checkpoint" story got put out and "yeah, we were just shooting at the engine block."
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"what knowledge are you privy to?"
i just read everything i could find by scott ritter.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:02 am | #
Bwaahhhhhhh ha ha! You ingorant oaf. One source and your sipping the kol-aid?
You're right out of the 700 Club.
People, people...
I'm a long-time lurker and really respect the regulars here, but can we PLEASE exercise some self-control and ignore the trolls? You certainly can't reason with them, and it's not like their bullshit needs to be exposed to the rest of the audience: it's perfectly clear - trust me.
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
night night
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
BerwynIrish | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:05 am | #
You need to specifically address AGENT ORANGE. The only thing he p[osts about is me, even when I'm gone.
Isn't so Agent Blowhard? Or what moniker are you hinding behind now?
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
Wear a cup?
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
BerwynIrish
that it's not as fun as screwing them?
I like to play with my own poo.
Hey is that Irish Road in Berwyn
I like to play with my own poo.
Gordo the MagnifiCunt | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:07 am | #
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more AGENT ORANGE, just like I said.
'till i gain control - Rodney Crowell
Naked - Bodeans
Dreanm about me - Linda Ronstadt
Keep me turnin' - Pete Townsend
I'm off to mix another jack and coke. Don't let the thread fall part without me. See you in 5.
I read my poo like voodoo priests read chicken entrails. I have amazing psychic poweres. That's how I know who's mocking me.
"one source and you're sipping the kol [sic]-aid."
scott ritter was a un weapons inspector for 12 years. he knew more about iraq's weapons programs than anyone including saddam hussein. he was also right. if you want the facts you go to the source that knows the facts. even so, he wasn't my only source. i also looked at the "information" that the administration was putting out. i weighed the merits of both and drew my own conclusion. and i was right. so miss me with that stupid "one source" shit.
Olaf
I'm a diplomat - Fuck You
That's just TOO FUCKING BAD, troll.
Now go fuck yourself with a rusty chainsaw.
Big Daddy Mars
Big Daddy Mars,
I know you didn't mean that.
I've read your comments for months now, and I've derived a lot of goodness from them.
I tried, in my post upstream, to qualify my nod to our greatest generations' ponying up of their full measure of devotion, but it was apparently to no avail.
I'm no troll.
You took my words of reverence incorrectly.
I will not apologize for what I wrote.
Actually I think it was Paula Zahn on her program who called Scott Ritter "the last person to drink Saddam's Kool-Aid".
I wonder if she ever apologized to him for being right.
i'm lookin for some propane and propane accessories.
What ever happened to fraggin ?
I will not apologize for what I wrote.
John Peter Zenger | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:10 am | #
You shouldn't have to. Scum like Big Daddy has no respect for anything, including himself.
Gordo keeps quoting Democrats about WMD in Iraq, but we all know how pitiful and pathetic most Democrats are. Where's a quote from Howard Dean claiming Saddam had WMD?
Oh, and we wouldn't want to play back what both Powell and Condy Rice said about Saddam being contained and no threat at all, not even to his immediate neighbours, would we?
Gordo, what a dumbass.
oh yeah right...
John Peter Zenger,
it gets crazy in here sometimes, people have allegiances, and code speak.
anyway, alot of us have been called trolls because perhaps a thought didn't comport with conventional wisdom, or another posters singular point of view.
i just wish america wasn't such a killing nation.
so miss me with that stupid "one source" shit.
Oaf,
You're the jackass that professed to only one source.
Keep backpedaling though, it's entertaining.
J P Zenger: watch out for the nameborrowers
"but we all know how pitiful and pathetic most Democrats are"
Agreed.
We're just upset b/c we cannot train Iraqi women to shoot pingpong balls out of their slots, like we did with the southeast Asians.
What good is imperialism if we cannot degrade and dehumanize the local population?
Naked pyramids !!!
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
... a cabinet post?
you don't know much about research, do you, gordon?
Hey folks,
Whatever it is, I know better than you because I've been to Iraq a
gazillion times.
For OAF:
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
US attacked Sgrena: companion
Rome - The companion of freed Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena on Saturday levelled serious accusations at US troops who fired at her convoy as it was nearing Baghdad airport, saying the shooting had been deliberate.
http://www.news24.com/News24/
Wor...1671944,00.html
how many sources did you use to come to the conclusion that iraq had wmds, gordon?
Last night I dreamed I was a polyp in Bush's rectum. It was an amazing behind-the-scenes look at how Our Leader makes tough decisions.
When I woke up, there was a wet spot on the sheets.
BerwynIrish,
Just don’t look! Just don’t look!
Amen.
Besides, my cats also tell that they have been on Two! Count ‘Em! Two! tours in Iraq, (looking for them Weapons of Mouse Destruction dealies.) They also insist they flew arms into Burma in 1932 and can turn old beer cans into Cesium.
They have little, bitty brains, but they are cute and at least have a modicum imaginative.
Fuck Bill Clinton
Anyone notice that pathetic old mn he's been traveling with.
Too bad he wasn't castrated at birth
(the old man not Bill)
how many sources did you use to come to the conclusion that iraq had wmds, gordon?
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:18 am | #
I base it all off one source.
Olaf - research, hell! Gordon believes that 51% is a landslide! And also, that it's the same as 54%!
And you expect him to figure out how to use the dewey decimal system, or even google?
gordon, try to understand this. it doesn't matter how many people you quote if they were all wrong. especially if they are politicians and likely to be lying. you believed all the people who were wrong or lying. i went to an accurate source and got the facts.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
well, we responded, and it seams they are more emboldened than ever. imagine that.
calvados kicks ass, btw. finally found a bottle.
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
$20, same as in town?
You know what they say about wrestling with pigs...
BerwynIrish
BI, that is usually true. Not the case with this drooler. If he decides he's gonna drool on eschaton for two hours, by Dog he's gonna drool on eschaton for two hours. It doesn't matter if you engage him. It doesn't matter if you ignore him. Bottom line, just do what thou wilt. If he's got his panties in a twist, it goes something like this:
Variant A:
Commenter: "Hey, it's really nice out. 62 and sunny."
Mordo the Gagnificent: "Oh, and you libruls were spouting off about how bad global warming was. Changed your tune? Boo hoo hoo!"
Variant B:
Commenter: "Man, it sucks out. Snowing and 12 degrees."
MtotheG: "I suppose you'd be happier if global warming REALLY existed. Changed your tune? Boo hoo hoo!"
See? It's easy. That's why clueless M can do it.
I'd just ask one favor of responders. Be witty. Be entertaining. Be provocative. The idiot's easy to score points off.
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gordon, why are you quoting people who were wrong? how does that support your position?
Viewer disgression advised
Gordon's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
You still backpedaling OAF?
Common sense alone said they were lying.
They played the same loop over and over and over again throughout the fall of 2002. "We have the proof, and we'll show it to you.....soon." Followed a week or so later by some ridiculous footage of remote controlled balsa wood airplanes or some such shit, which even the whores in the media couldn't make stick. Then again with the "we have the proof, and we'll show it to you....soon" all over.
Prosecutors don't leave their good evidence on the table and build their case on "what if" instead. People who have good evidence present it, they don't need to make shit up.
And anyone but a fool knows that.
You were actually funny for a change Fielding.
There is hope.
Maybe Rummy will just send the mom to Iraq too and the problem will be solved. Like he said, its safer in Iraq than D.C.
Jeff Gannon, that's sick.
And what is the name for that medical condition that gives men breasts? I kept seeing a Discovery Health Channel ad for the big premiere of "Men With Breasts" but didn't tune in to watch it.
gordon, if your point is that a lot of politicians were adressing the concerns bush had about iraqi weapons (and advocating inspections as a solution, in the case of virtually all democrats and foreign leaders), you have proved your point. i never disputed that.
i heard all the same people say the same things. i guess it only counts as a source if you heard it. i didn't believe the politicians, though. i believed the actual expert and i was right. you believed politicians and were wrong. certainly there were many more sources who were wrong. i won't dispute that either.
U.S. Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Los Angeles) has asked Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to provide details on a series of contracts awarded to a St. Louis company that has an uncle of President Bush on its board of directors.
In a letter sent to Rumsfeld on Thursday, Waxman asked for copies of all military contracts awarded to Engineered Support Systems Inc. and a briefing on the process used to award those pacts. William H.T. "Bucky" Bush, an uncle of the president, has served on Engineered Support's board of directors since 2000.
In his letter, Waxman cited a Feb. 23 Los Angeles Times article that reported some ESSI contracts were awarded without bids and disclosed that the president's uncle recently cashed in $450,000 worth of stock options in the defense firm.
http://fairuse.1accesshost.com/
n...latimes556.html
WMDs were just a distraction, just like social security is a distraction
Americans are easily distracted and seem to consistently miss the real point.
Fool me.won't get fooled again !
Bring back the swift boaters They are a perfect example of irrelevant fools hi-jacking a should-be serious election.
And what does last year's lie of WMDs have to do with a desparate need for cannon fodder? The topic of this discussion
That's really an image of "Gordon the Lying Sack of Shit"
Favorite Quote
"I've been to Iraq...twice"
Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahah
waxman is always making requests like that. cheney always tells him to go fuck himself.
I'd just ask one favor of responders. Be witty. Be entertaining. Be provocative. The idiot's easy to score points off.
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Fielding Mellish
One day Gordo walks into a grocery store and fills his cart with things he needs. He gets into the checkout line, and the cashier starts scanning his stuff.
Partway through, the cashier says "You must be single."
Gordo says, "Wow ... how can you tell?"
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
"Because you're ugly."
Yeah I think the White House and Pentagon rarely reply to his requests.
I remember Ari Fleischer even making some snide comments about Waxman's requests.
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
Nads - and when she gives him his $.54 in change, he complains that she owed him $.51 and is trying to rip him off.
And what is the name for that medical condition that gives men breasts? I kept seeing a Discovery Health Channel ad for the big premiere of "Men With Breasts" but didn't tune in to watch it.
Jennifer
Gynecomastia, fondly referred to as "bitch tits."
... as in Fight Club: "Bob has bitch tits."
Heh. Nads can't even write his own jokes now. He's been listening to to many Airtran commercials.
Nads | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:34 am | #
Sorry NADS,
not only are you NOT witty, but you're sure as hell not funny. Take some cliff notes from Fielding, moron.
Nads - and when she gives him his $.54 in change, he complains that she owed him $.51 and is trying to rip him off.
Jennifer
Now that's funny.
And what do you call the condition when a brave freedom fighter who's been to Iraq twice, with bitch tits pierces them?
OAF,
Who was your source again? Scott who?
gordon, you're quotes are completely irrelavent. they are quotes from "sources" who either did not know the facts or were lying. they do not support your position. they are also quotes from people who didn't know anything about iraqi weapons programs anyway.
Afghanistan now nearly 'a narcotics state' White House report cites record opium cultivation
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7090585/
Agent Orange | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:38 am | #
Obsessed!!!!!!
And what do you call the condition when a brave freedom fighter who's been to Iraq twice, with bitch tits pierces them?
Agent Orange
Gordocomastia
scott ritter. have you ever heard of him?
How about your SOURCE Oaf?
Why are you otherwise decent people feeding these idiot trolls?
Scott Ritter?
Of course I have, the sellout that works for Al-Jazeeri now?
ROFLMAO!
Your source is some dude bought off!!
You got to be shitting me!
Gordocomastia?
Ahahahahahahaha!
Ohhh so Geoffrey and Gordo "I've been to Iraq twice" the Lying Sack of Shit are the same person!
Or is that the real "Jeff Gannon"?
Gordocomastia?
Ahahahahahahaha!
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:40 am | #
you a bit obsessed with tonight cunt?
gordon went off to google some random scott ritter quotes from before the inspections resumed.
Scott Ritter
Lives down the street. Must lock up my kids.
Why are you otherwise decent people feeding these idiot trolls?
Central Scrutinizer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:40 am | #
Because they are trolls as well.
Central - See Fielding Mellish's post at 12:23.
he was right gordon. you shouldn't talk that way about marine corps combat veterans.
Um, I believe that's "Cliffs" notes.
Common mistake.
A "cliff" is what a "lemming" charges off of while ranting incoherently to itself about how perfectly correct it is about every little thing.
If it's lucky, it will land safely in Iraq. Twice.
Why are you otherwise decent people feeding these idiot trolls?
Central Scrutinizer
Fielding's got the right idea on this one -- have fun with the trools. It's even On Topic, since the topic is the disdain with which the right wing treats real soldiers.
Retarded keyboard nazis like gordo are, ironically, the subject of this post.
At any rate, I'm just entertaining myself, and possibly one or two others. Sorry for the inconvenience.
gordon went off to google some random scott ritter quotes from before the inspections resumed.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:41 am | #
you got to be shitting me? I set you up asshole. Your one source is some jackass paid off by the likes of Al-Jazeeri.
Great source. Ha Ha!
I wear a C cup.
gordon, he is a great source. he was right. all of your sources were wrong.
Colombia Massacre Raises Rights Issues
BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) - A Colombian army unit blamed for a massacre denied killing the eight civilians, even as the United States called for a swift investigation Friday. The slayings raise doubts about the military's commitment to human rights and jeopardize part of Washington's huge military aid package to this embattled nation.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
worldl...4842527,00.html
he was right gordon. you shouldn't talk that way about marine corps combat veterans.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:42 am | #
What are you babbling about now?
Claim: Quotes reproduce statements made by Democratic leaders about Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction.
Status: True.
Origins: All
of the quotes listed above (by gordo)are substantially correct reproductions of statements made by various Democratic leaders regarding Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's acquisition or possession of weapons of mass destruction. However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. ....
click on homepage
A "cliff" is what a "lemming" charges off of while ranting incoherently to itself about how perfectly correct it is about every little thing.
If it's lucky, it will land safely in Iraq. Twice.
driftglass
AGAIN ... that is some funny shit!!!! You people are awesome.
And to think, the right wing has mental midgets like dennis miller to entertain them.
where is your information that he works for al jazeera coming from anyway? another one of your reliable sources?
gordon, he is a great source. he was right. all of your sources were wrong.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:45 am | #
Yeah OAF, great source. He works for Al-Jazeeri.
That's like quoting an FBI Agent that gets out of service and works for the Mafia.
You are fucking stupid. OR you just have a great sense of humor.
And what is the name for that medical condition that gives men breasts?
Jennifer
There are several such conditions. One is Hot Wing Syndrome. Another is Lou Budweiser's Disease. Finally, and most tragically, there's Chickenhawk Cheeto Munchitis.
Won't you give today?
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Gordon's never gotten over the idea that he came out of a pussy. Even though that was 40 years ago, and he's kept himself clear of any further contact, it still makes him feel unclean.
If gordo weren't a fat worthless fuck, he'd know Ritter was a Marine.
... but then, gordo is a fat worthless fuck.
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
Sorry, but I agree with Nads. Here we have a guy (Gordo the Lying Sack of Shit) acting as if he's a 2 tour war veteran attacking others for being disloyal and unpatriotic.
Gordon, why did you lie about being an Iraqi war veteran. Too much of a coward to admit it?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahha
If gordo weren't a fat worthless fuck, he'd know Ritter was a Marine.
... but then, gordo is a fat worthless fuck.
Nads | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:47 am | #
and how is that relevant asshole?
he was right gordon. you shouldn't talk that way about marine corps combat veterans.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:42 am | #
What are you babbling about now?
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:45 am | #
NFI
Jennifer,
Yeah, but every response he gets empowers him. If he was completely ignored, he'd eventually go away.
This is just WAY too much like poking a caged rabid weasel with a pointy stick.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahha
Agent Orange | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:48 am | #
Obsessed.
and how is that relevant asshole?
Gordon the Magnificent
It was in response to this exchange upthread, you fat worthless fuck:
he was right gordon. you shouldn't talk that way about marine corps combat veterans.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:42 am | #
What are you babbling about now?
Gordon the Magnificent
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
gordon, i am having trouble understanding why you would consider someone who was correct an unreliable source, and people who were wrong to be reliable sources. this really confuses me even though i am a psychiatrist.
Fielding--All due respect, but it seems to me that Gordo's entire motive is to highjack the thread. I guess it gives him that feeling of power that he didn't manage to acquire during his two tours in Iraq (sic). That said, it really is funny as hell to see him flail around, trying to muster a cogent argument.
Gordon's never gotten over the idea that he came out of a pussy. Even though that was 40 years ago, and he's kept himself clear of any further contact, it still makes him feel unclean.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:47 am | #
and how's that relevant, dumb cunt?
man, that troll has a lot of energy..'pent up mostly i guess, is this your life or hobby gordon?
gordon, we understand your point. many politicians in both parties lied about the threat of saddam hussein's weapons of mass destruction and idiots like you took their word for it. how does this strengthen your position though?
gordon, i am having trouble understanding why you would consider someone who was correct an unreliable source, and people who were wrong to be reliable sources. this really confuses me even though i am a psychiatrist.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:50 am | #
you're either playing a prank or incredibly naive - or just outright gullable. but to cite your single source as a hired pen for al-jazeeri?
you are something else.
man, that troll has a lot of energy..'pent up mostly i guess, is this your life or hobby gordon?
focus
PLEASE ... this ass monkey isn't anywhere near good enough to go professional.
all the WMD quotes gordo's been posting have an explanation but he doesn't care to read it
click on homepage -- if you care to read it
Central Scrutinizer
Almost every response he gets empowers him. The one that he can't deal with is the fact that he lied about being in Iraq twice.
Admittedly it's like poking a rabid weasel, but lying about being in war and then posturing all this tough guy bravado is inexcusable.
Gordon's never gotten over the idea that he came out of a pussy. Even though that was 40 years ago, and he's kept himself clear of any further contact, it still makes him feel unclean.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:47 am | #
and how's that relevant, dumb cunt?
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 12:51 am | #
Gordon just jumped the shark.
Gordon won't post any quotes about Saddam or WMD made before 2001/9/11 by Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice. I wonder why?
Actually, no I don't. I know perfectly well.
Regarding Iraqi WMD, the fact is there were conflicting opinions and intelligence; even Colin Powell had his doubts. The difference is in how the information was spun, and the course of action to take.
Gordon won't post any quotes about Saddam or WMD made before 2001/9/11 by Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice. I wonder why?
Actually, no I don't. I know perfectly well.
Magnum |
Becuz he kudn't reed so good bak den?
gordon, your "one source" criticism is a canard. i heard all the statements that you are citing when they were made. i heard all of the political hype. i was not convinced by it though, because i had another source (who was right). i had more sources of information than you, not less. you didn't even know who scott ritter was until i told you.
Life was *so* much motherfucking easy in the 70's.
gordon,i hear there is an opening for a dog catcher in kansas city.
Life was *so* much motherfucking easy in the 70's.
John Peter Zenger
I'm not sure it was ... but I'm told the sex made it seem that way.
Crackers Primer on Trolls
What a troll is NOT
1 A troll is not an ugly thing that lives under a bridge
2 A troll is not someone that posts a comment that you disagree with.
Even if the comment is very contrary to the CW of the group.
What a Troll is
A Troll is a poster trying to get you to respond.
As in ‘trolling for fish’.
This is what fishermen do when they move from spot to spot in their boats.
Just hang a line and see what bites.
When you respond to a troll, he wins.
That’s his objective. It’s not about the subject matter, it’s about how many people he can get to respond, and if he’s good, he can totally disrupt a newsgroup or the comments on a blog
If you respond to a troll, you’ve just been hooked in the cheek, and dragged on board.
None of your feelings of intellectual superiority matter.
He’s laughing at you. He won, you lost.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
Wow, Gordon is being torn apart six ways from Sunday. Why does he stick around to suffer such abuse?
we dont want her in kc
he'd know Ritter was a Marine.
Nads, sorry, but you're just wrong about that.
I myself served eleventeen imaginary tours in this "Iraq" thingy everyone's talking about, and can state with authority a "Ritter" is a straight man serving under-cover as a nancyman on a three-person team with two women...usually a blond and a brunette.
Their handler is called a "Roper" or sometimes a "Furley".
C'mon man; straighten your shit our.
Olaf - and as I said earlier, you also have common sense.
Which Gordon doesn't have.
The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained.
Secretary Powell
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war...well-no-
wmd.htm
OAF,
You cite one source. A hired pen of Al-Jazeeri and think that carries some sort of weight? You claim he is right? But how do YOU know?
What are you privy to that the rest of us aren't?
Lmfao drift
Jennifer,
You're the Ed McMahon of this crowd. You sit back and guffaw at whatever else other people write. Tell me cunt, do you have an original thought of your own?
Ripley,
*Damn* glad to see you!
gordon, i know because there aren't any weapons of mass destruction in iraq.
seriously, gordy you strike me as a man who needs a hobby... or perhaps a girlfriend?
He’s laughing at you. He won, you lost.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
Cracker
But if one doesn't care, does it really matter? ... and if not, then has the troll really won? The act of waving arms around to presumably WARN us of a troll is just an affirmation of its potency.
I say, fuck it. I've had a long day, and I want to come up with some zingers. gordo's fat ass is a perfect target.
Fuck the Useless Timewasters™.
No Cracker, they don't.
You see, they are trolls too.
send me your source for your claim that scott ritter works for al jazeera, too, gordon. i hadn't heard that.
Memo from the Night Shift, Mother of Sweating Jebus Hospital and Nursing Home, Yrtown, USA
Subject: Gordon T Magnificent
Comments: Under hypnosis Mr Magnificent revealed the following story: some time ago he was watering his pansies on the balcony of his 14th story apartment, when he leaned too far out and fell from the balcony.
He dropped a couple of stories and was caught by a bald weightlifter who asked him, "Do you suck?"
Mr Magnificent, shocked, replied, "NO!" whereupon the bald weightlifter released him to continue his fall to the street.
Two stories later, another resident caught Mr Magnificent. This one bore a resemblence to George W Bush, and he asked him, "Do you fuck?" "NO!" howled Mr Magnificent, and he was once again dropped.
A few more stories, and Mr Magnificent was snagged by a Hillary Clinton lookalike- before she could say anything, Mr Magnificent screamed at the top of his lungs, "I SUCK! I FUCK!"
To which the woman replied, "Slut" and released her grip. Mr Magnificent landed on his head in the street.
He says he felt no aftereffects, but we in the clinic feel this is an important breakthrough in Mr Magnificent's treatment. We only hope the proceeds of the sale of his home, combined with his children's college funds, allow us to continue treating him.
V/R
Gordon, you'll never be free from the taint of your mom's vagina.
The truth will set you free, boy.
Hiya, JPZ... I've just been flipping back and forth between this and the music thread. Drinking some wine and making mellow, like a good American.
You don't know your ass from your face OAF.
You base everything you know off a single source with a hired pen. You're an idiot.
What are you privy to that the rest of us aren't?
Gordon the Magnificent
Literacy. Rational thought. A college degree.
Gordo,
Lay off of the C****, if you will?
The truth will set you free, boy.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:01 am | #
What truth McMahon?
Gordo,
Lay off of the C****, if you will?
John Peter Zenger | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:03 am | #
Okay Cunt.
You see, they are trolls too.
Damn It! And here I am in my Moonbat Pants.
Shit, lemme go change. Again.
Idiot!
You came into the world through a cunt, and you'll leave the world as a cunt.
That truth.
scott ritter was a usmc officer when the inspections resumed, gordon. he spent 12 years studying iraq's weapons programs. i have no idea what he is doing for a living now.
send me your source for your claim that scott ritter works for al jazeera, too, gordon. i hadn't heard that.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:01 am | #
do your own "research" you lazy asshole.
Lol Napoleon Dynamite? I saw that movie 4 times, at least, last weekend.
these are the facts: there either were no wmd in iraq; or as wingnuts state in lockstep: they are in syria. if they are in syria, it is just one more notch for bush inc. in their incompetence belt.
You came into the world through a cunt, and you'll leave the world as a cunt.
That truth.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:04 am | #
And your point is?
Drinking some wine and making mellow, like a good American.
Ripley
Me, I'm makin'do wif'sum Chinaco shotz 'n sum beerz.
these are the facts: there either were no wmd in iraq; or as wingnuts state in lockstep: they are in syria. if they are in syria, it is just one more notch for bush inc. in their incompetence belt.
capio | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:05 am | #
Yep, and sSria's next. At least one of you has a clue.
Lol Napoleon Dynamite? I saw that movie 4 times, at least, last weekend.
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:05 am | #
hilarious movie.
i would be interested in knowing where you heard that he works for al jazeera though. nothing really wrong with that anyway. it's not like we are at war with qatar.
Hmm, al-Jazeera, who would they be? Oh yeah, the news network that pisses off both the US government and Arab dictatorships.
Gordo thinks Ritter blows his credibility because he's signed up for al-Jazeera, even though it was well after he said Iraq had no WMDs. You know, around the same time Duelfer, and earlier Kay, finally got around to the same conclusion as Ritter.
But according to Gordo, Ritter has no credibility.
Atrios' linked post was sickening, but not shocking. I wish it had been.
Regarding Scott Ritter:
"Now, UNSCOM was particularly hurt by Scott Ritter's carrying on. We can argue about what influenced the decisionmakers\x{FFFD}there are different versions. But when you claim to be in the room when you weren't, when you claim to be part of the conversation when you weren't, when you claim that conversations took place that never did\x{FFFD}the false assertion that I met [Secretary of State Madeleine] Albright in Bahrain in March 1998, for example\x{FFFD}when you make those kinds of claims that are factually so wrong, that's very different from having a more honest argument about what went into certain decisions.
"I don't know why he's behaved that way. Some say he's not just dishonest, but he's actually delusionary, that he actually thinks he was there. You know there was one inspection that he implied he was on, and it was canned by the Iraqis, and there was a big fuss. He wasn't ever on that inspection. He wasn't in country then. It's just wrong, but Ritter got to a point where he thought he was UNSCOM, that everything that happened there was him. And if you look at his interviews, you hear that coming through. He actually said on public television, thumping his fist on the table, "I was UNSCOM! I was it!" So, his claim late in 1998 that I somehow sold the store to the CIA is dramatically untrue. And on the contrary, as I said, I actually scaled down the extent to which we were using member states' intelligence input to do our work because I was concerned about what it could do to our reputation. I was concerned about protecting the independence of multilateral disarmament activities."
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/1..._06/
rbjun99.asp
Some people call it a drinking problem, we call it supporting the economy.
i would be interested in knowing where you heard that he works for al jazeera though. nothing really wrong with that anyway. it's not like we are at war with qatar.
Olaf glad and big
It's not like he went to work with fox news or something. ... then he'd be a real whore.
Gordon the Magnificent,
god, just please shut the fuck up. don't you bore yourself?
well, i'm out of here. and i don't hate you, i don't even know you, but you are one pathetic son of bitch.
Ahh! My fan Sallyh!
Gordon the Magnificent,
god, just please shut the fuck up. don't you bore yourself?
well, i'm out of here. and i don't hate you, i don't even know you, but you are one pathetic son of bitch.
charley | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:08 am | #
I love how cowardly moonbats post an insult then run.
There has to be a clinical name for obtuseness. Would any of the cadre of Eschatonian psychiatrists care to weigh in on the issue of why a man (to use the term very loosely) who is such a cunt be so fearful of them?
shycat - nice link. Snopes is always a good read.
And driftglas @ 11:58 is teh r0X0r. 
-
Ripley--we enjoyed a nice Chardonnay (French) with dinner, which was italian.
I'm waiting for the wingie whackos to claim that real Americans don't eat pasta.
gordon, how did the weapons get to syria???
....and we thank you, hat!
And now, for ssstudio audience, Topo GiGio!
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
I'm off to mix another jack and coke. Don't let the thread fall part without me.
There has to be a clinical name for obtuseness. Would any of the cadre of Eschatonian psychiatrists care to weigh in on the issue of why a man (to use the term very loosely) who is such a cunt be so fearful of them?
Jennifer
I'll go with Displacement.
Viewer disgression advised
Gordon's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
Jennifer--I belive the technical term used by the psychiatrists I've done study designs for in the past was 'fucking moron.'
hat, i read all of the stuff that attempted to discredit ritter also. overall i came to the conclusion that he had more credibility than his critics.
and i was right.
those jack and cokes really do a number on old gordo.
gordie, since you choose to ignore the truth, i will ignore you , however if you reach university, please carefully study abnormal validation for recognizing the self- or answer for all of us the question-why are you here?
hat, i read all of the stuff that attempted to discredit ritter also. overall i came to the conclusion that he had more credibility than his critics.
and i was right.
Olaf glad and big
and as the complete lack of wmds evince, ritter will always be right.
gordon seems to have problems with women. did your mother humiliate you as a child, gordon???
gordon seems to have problems with women. did your mother humiliate you as a child, gordon???
capio | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:13 am | #
No, but I have some great stories about your mother.
This thread is about the weakling gibbering snotballs from the other side of humanity who don't know a goddamn thing ...they really don't and it is terrifying. I stopped by LGF once like 8 months ago , and it was truly a shaking experience . The superimposed rationale, the gaps in factual history, manner-less, compassion-free. They thump chest and swear, they pounce on each other .The swastika floats out of focus but undeniable as the backdrop to the conversation, all of which is said through a misinformed sneer.
They don't get that their current and future wars are indefensable, appalling waste that benefits a tiny minority of the appallingly wealthy. (The manner in which they voice against self interest is for a whole other book )
Earlier today I slid past Google News and Somehow Jawareport was in the list , and I had no idea ...what is wrong with these mutants? They don't even state a values system, just rag and ridicule. What baffles most is the sheer number of sub-groups they are willing to Nuke, Lynch, torch , invade or Ethnical Cleanse , including their next-door neighbor, they seems to dream about a world emptied of all but tiny eared white people born South of Little Rock .
They are ready to wage violence, friends. As soon as they find the keys to the basement door, they are ready to dress in brownshirts.
And there isn't even a legitimate conservative among them .
Ewwww. Someone (s)hat!
I think pasta was invented by the Chinese, no? And gunpowder?
Brilliant bastards, those Chinese...
At the time Galileo said that the earth revolved around the sun, everyone else said the sun revolved around the earth.
Galileo was right and everyone else was wrong. And Galileo would have still been right, even if he had been a member of Saddam's Baathist party.
I say, fuck it. I've had a long day, and I want to come up with some zingers. gordo's fat ass is a perfect target.
Nads
You would come in the 'I can't resist' category.
If you wish, then, fuckit, but you are playing into his hand.
Sorry about your long day.
Maybe I see your point. An obvious puching bag. Better than kicking your cat.
But, beware, attracking trolls can suck.
anyway, what finally convinced me that the iraqi wmds were pure fantasy was the decision to invade. invading a country that had all the weaponry that they claimed iraq had just would have been too stupid for words.
middle aged white guy wannabe biker troll investation tonite no girl friend no social life just hangin out here tryin to get a rise
hat, i read all of the stuff that attempted to discredit ritter also. overall i came to the conclusion that he had more credibility than his critics.
and i was right.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:11 am | #
Nobody said you weren't welcome to an opinion.
BUT.
If you're so right, then why? Why my pyschiatrist friend are you so defensive?
Galileo was right and everyone else was wrong. And Galileo would have still been right, even if he had been a member of Saddam's Baathist party.
Jennifer
Ooooh J Girrrl!
You gettin' all up in Copernicus' grille!!
I enjoyed a wonderful Soave this lovely eve.
And I'm mystified that my last three posts have not registered at all.
Defensive?
Pointing out that you were right is just reciting fact. Nothing defensive about it.
But, beware, attacking trolls can suck.
They *do* suck, Cracker... quite.
pasta was invented by the Chinese.
Without tomatos from the New World there could be no red sauce.
gordon, i am not stating an opinion. there are no wmds in iraq. that isn't an opinion.
JPZ - yes, I know all about Copernicus.
But it was Galileo who was forced by the church to recant (if only publicly). He was the Scott Ritter of the solar system debate, and like Scott Ritter, he was right.
gordon, i am not stating an opinion. there are no wmds in iraq. that isn't an opinion.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:18 am | #
Yeah but we said there were a lotta lotta times! What part of close our eyes and keep repeating and the facts will go away don't you understand?
Poking caged rabid weasels with pointy sticks makes baby jeebus cry.
Oh christ, Jennifer's drawing parallels between Scott Ritter and Galileo?
Excuse me while I wipe the drink off my shirt.
LMAO. It's definetely late night.
albertchampion, if you're out there, Art Bell is having a guest on next hour to discuss 911 and all the conspiracy theories out there. He's on, from Popular Mechanics, to debunk them. I keep and open mind. Art's broadcast on the AM band everywhere.
Pasta was invented by the Chinese, Ripley. As was gunpowder.
Ripley wins the Daily Double!
Yeah but we said there were a lotta lotta times! What part of close our eyes and keep repeating and the facts will go away don't you understand?
fourmorewars | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:20 am | #
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What facts? Conjecture? Opinion?
Soldier Kyle: "Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
Thanks for the fan mail Sally.
If you'd prefer, I could draw parallels between you and large fetid stinking piles of human excrement, which would on reflection be an even more apropos parallel to draw.
gordon, do you imagine that you have made a point or something? all you have done is quote a bunch of people who have been proven wrong.
Oh christ, Jennifer's drawing parallels between Scott Ritter and Galileo?
Excuse me while I wipe the drink off my shirt.
LMAO. It's definetely late night.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:20 am | #
It's definitely a bit of a stretch.
Kind of like comparing Saddam to Hitler.
What facts? Conjecture? Opinion?
Gordon the Magnificent
younvent any issur you like, but the question is " why are you here?"
That brings up an interesting point, CS. Do you think Mary had labor pains when Jeebus was born? What with original sin and god's hatred of women and all.... or did he let Mary off the hook on that one?
i feel kind of sorry for gordon. he has to settle for jack and coke while i savor fine normandy calvados.
gordon, do you imagine that you have made a point or something? all you have done is quote a bunch of people who have been proven wrong.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:23 am | #
All you've proven is that you're a gullible dumbass that believes what he hears from one source, a hired pen for Al-Jazeeri.
All you've proven is that you're fucking gullible to believe that Saddam couldn't have moved and hidden his WMD's over the course of ten years.
Thanks for the opinion piece though, it was entertaining at the least.
SWR - It's only a "stretch" for an illiterate like Gordon.
The only "parallel" drawn was that both Ritter and Galileo were correct, on very different topics, when everyone else was accusing them of heresy. That's historical fact, no stretching involved.
...but the question is " why are you here?"
Because he's a closet case that's obsessed with us, that's why.
that's actually a good question, ripley. according to genesis, pain in childbirth is a direct result of original sin. if jesus was born without original sin, why would his birth have been painful?
The brother of civil rights icon Medgar Evers is calling on Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean to resign for suggesting that minorities generally work in professions like maids and bellboys.
Speaking at Mississippi's Jackson State University College last week, Charles Evers said: "The Democratic Party [should] do the same thing to Dean that Republicans and other Democrats did to Senator Lott. Ask him to step down, because he's the wrong man for the position."
i feel kind of sorry for gordon. he has to settle for jack and coke while i savor fine normandy calvados.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:26 am | #
That's the only credible statement you've made tonight.
But I tip my glass to you regardless.
>Oh christ, Jennifer's drawing parallels between Scott Ritter and Galileo?
Only in that, y'know, they were, both, um..., y'know telling the truth.
Olaf--Calvados?
I could be envious 
gordon,was it smart for your dear leader to have all of those u.s. troops on the kuwaiti border before the iraqi invasion? they were sitting ducks for all of those wmd, were'nt they???
At the time Galileo said that the earth revolved around the sun, everyone else said the sun revolved around the earth.
Not really, mainly, or more importantly, the "Church".
Galileo was right and everyone else was wrong. And Galileo would have still been right, even if he had been a member of Saddam's Baathist party.
Jennifer
But Saddam's Baathist party would never have come up with this "At the time".
They were CIA lead and USA supported.
Guess I'm being a nonsensical as you
BTW, anybody remember what all the Stages of Idjit Drunk are?
I remember Verbose, Grandiose, Served-Twice-in-Iraqose, Bellicose, Comatose, Dopey and Sneezy...but I know there were a couple more. I always forget.
Varicose, maybe?
Well, off to watch a little West Wing rerun. Man, I hope it's one a them "Qumar" episodes: although it is an entirely fictional country, I have fond memories of the over fifty-three tours of duty I served there.
gordon, you obviously don't know anything about chemical or biological weapons. they don't even last for ten years.
Scott Ritter was right. And who knows about Iran?
They are ready to wage violence, friends. As soon as they find the keys to the basement door, they are ready to dress in brownshirts.
And there isn't even a legitimate conservative among them .
A.Scott
and while it's all good and well to have fun with gordo, don't forget that what A.Scott is saying is true.
his sickness is more than evident by his having stayed so long tonite.
SWR - It's only a "stretch" for an illiterate like Gordon.
The only "parallel" drawn was that both Ritter and Galileo were correct, on very different topics, when everyone else was accusing them of heresy. That's historical fact, no stretching involved.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:27 am | #
Uh yeah. You know like, Galileo was just like you know Scott Ritter today because - well you know how Ritter thought the earth spun on an axis and galileo thought the wmd's never existed and...
Yeah, wow - like a flash we all get it now Jennifer. You're brilliant. Have you ever thought of publishing your analogy?
Is that the same Evers who supported David Duke for governor here?
This from leno on Friday:
Here’s a very odd story – a 63 year old man in Wisconsin has been arrested for having sexual relations with a cow. The guy was having sex with a cow. Here’s the sick part – during sex, he wanted the cow to bark like a dog.
Hey Kev, you know what this guy called this cow? His utter woman.
Do you know what the penalty for having sex with a cow? Impeachment.
gordon, you obviously don't know anything about chemical or biological weapons. they don't even last for ten years.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:30 am | #
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You're the expert right? I'm sure he wasn't developing anyhting either.
You're so gullable.
And tell me how you know so much about NBC weapons? What's your background?
anyway, what finally convinced me that the iraqi wmds were pure fantasy was the decision to invade. invading a country that had all the weaponry that they claimed iraq had just would have been too stupid for words.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:15 am | #
Geez, it was obvious well before that. It was clearly obvious the US knew Saddam didn't have weapons when they didn't agree to weapons inspections (which they fought very strongly against at first). Their pitiful 'evidence' was more proof that the weapons didn't exist, and Powell's UN presentation was the final nail in the coffin.
I'm sure that not one single non-US political leader was convinced by any of the US's 'evidence'. They were all for inspections, which they knew would completely destroy the US's rationale for the war, and which they thought would destroy the US's plans. They didn't count on the utter, utter stupidity of the American people. Fuck, they're stupid.
I'm fairly sure that most Republican politicians knew there were no weapons, at least the less insane ones. I have no idea what the Democrats thought about the actual weapons' existence, but I suspect it was completely irrelevant. They're almost all so spineless, pathetic and useless that they just had to toe the Republican line.
The Democrats would have said what they said whether they believed the weapons existed or not.
i have been meaning to try calvados for years, but it's hard to find. today i went on a quest to find some. tried 6 liquor stores. it's really good. i'm just sipping it from a snifter. is that the best way to enjoy it?
Ladies and gentlemen, you're in the middle of an Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Million-Dollar Weekend!
Remember, kids - every ignored moronic brownshirt fuck is one more fry-dropper at Jack-in-the-Box!
And now, back to Sylvester Stewart!
Coming from a guy who thinks that people who believed the folks telling the truth are the "ignorant dumbasses", that's quite a sterling compliment.
...ummmmph...I think I just threw up a little in my mouth....
what is your background gordon: security guard at wal-mart????
Here’s a very odd story – a 63 year old man in Wisconsin has been arrested for having sexual relations with a cow. The guy was having sex with a cow. Here’s the sick part – during sex, he wanted the cow to bark like a dog.
Where was Toby Pretzel that night? Was he posting here?
Coming from a guy who thinks that people who believed the folks telling the truth are the "ignorant dumbasses", that's quite a sterling compliment.
...ummmmph...I think I just threw up a little in my mouth....
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:35 am | #
Truth = opinion? You are truly a dumb cunt.
Olaf--not sure, but in France, it was served in what was akin to a baby snifter.
you obviously don't know anything about chemical or biological weapons. they don't even last for ten years.
They do in new Glad ServeWare, Olaf. You can also keep spare change, crayons and fishing tackle in them. They're clear, so you can see what's inside. And if you call in the next five minutes, we'll double your order!
C'mon Gordo,
Knock off the c*** stuff, will ya?
what is your background gordon: security guard at wal-mart????
capio | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:35 am | #
You like to make fun of hard working Americans employed by Walmart?
gordon, are you claiming that iraq did have chemical and biological weapons?
Calvados is like cognac, but made from apple cidre instead of wine. So a brandy snifter is the way to go.
John Peter,
I will not until they let up. Simple as that. I treat people how they merit.
Dave--in half an hour, do we switch over to Cal Worthington and his dog Spot? In LA, that's Cal's slot!
Good till 2 a.m. PST.
feel kind of sorry for gordon. he has to settle for jack and coke while i savor fine normandy calvados.
Olaf glad and big
Why would anybody ruin good wiskey (not that jack is) or coke by combining the two is beyond me.
no, i am making fun of you.
My having a "cunt" as you call it, since the idea of contact with a vagina clearly repulses you, has nothing whatsoever to do with my intelligence.
Facts = truth. There are no WMDs in Iraq. There were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush and Cheney themselves admitted it last fall. Another poster gave the quote and the link to the quote.
Shit for brains.
You like to make fun of hard working Americans employed by Walmart?
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:38 am | #
Yes. I also make fun of Wall Street bond traders at cigar bars.
no, i am making fun of you. good try at projection, though.
Olaf, I had calvados while traveling in France and that's how it was served there. Tasty Stuff!
That's Fake Major General to you soldier!
If you can't resepct the man, at least respect the imaginary uniform.
Gordon, honestly now, were all friends here...
How long has it been since you got laid?*
*(Frat bro's don't count.)
calvados is more like cognac than i expected. the apple flavor is more subtle than i thought it would be.
Do you know what the penalty for having sex with a cow? Impeachment.
W.E.B DuBois | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:33 am | #
Haha. What's the penalty for sitting on your hands for week after week when everyone in the FBI and CIA is screaming that your country is about to be attacked and than 3000 of your countrymen die?
Gordon,
Seriously, why did you lie Friday evening and claim you've been to Iraq...twice?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahha
why are you afraid of women, gordon??
have you guys looked at Gordon's homepage?
Really?
Gordon, you have a long way to go to become civilised, y'know?
When The Associated Press in Baghdad asked the U.S. military to see the vehicle on Saturday, the military said it didn't know where it was.
From the AP article http://tinyurl.com/6y5uy re attack on Sregna's escape vehicle.
Someone should tell "the military" that if it doesn't have something constructive to say, it should just be quiet. And to stop digging the hole.
Former Korn guitarist Brian "Head" Welch was baptized Saturday in the Jordan River, just weeks after quitting his band, drug habits and rock-and-roll lifestyle for religion.
"Head" said he woke up after his friend "Dimebag" Dave was killed.
One of the most horrific "drinks" I've ever imbibed was a tall shot of Albanian grappa at a nearby restaurant.
Fuckin eh, what a blasphemy against the good lord's creation of taste buds! I swear my eyeballs fell out and rolled down the bar and my ears rang for two days.
The Germans are starting to get it...Part Zwei.
http://tinyurl.com/5maoe
no, i am making fun of you. good try at projection, though.
capio | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:40 am | #
Anybody who doesn't laugh at Walmart employees is probably lying.
I have nothing but contempt for anybody who would submit him/herself to that kind of work environment. You always have choices. If you live in some red state shithole where it's the only employer, get up off your ass and move.
Of course I have nothing but respect for the Walmart employees who are trying to unionize the place.
What's the penalty for sitting on your hands for week after week when everyone in the FBI and CIA is screaming that your country is about to be attacked and than 3000 of your countrymen die?
Mmmmmm.....
Re-election?
why are you afraid of women, gordon??
capio | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:43 am | #
Maybe they're afraid of him?
Gordon, honestly now, were all friends here...
How long has it been since you got laid?*
Jonny Quest | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:41 am | #
Nearly everyday. You leave for work, your wife leaves the drapes open as a signal and I swing on in.
Gordon,
Seriously, why did you lie Friday evening and claim you've been to Iraq...twice?
Link? That's fucking funny.
i think most grappa isn't aged at all. i sort of like it. actually i haven't tried much of it though.
gordon, why are you afraid of being insignificant, thus "magnificent"??
Olah is a lil' tick bird.
i think most grappa isn't aged at all. i sort of like it. actually i haven't tried much of it though.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:47 am | #
Grappa is something they always drink in Hemingway novels. I'm an accomplished alcoholic and I've never had it.
Maybe I'll look for some tomorrow.
First Link
An actual photo of Gordon
Viewer disgression advised
Gordon's real picture at dogsnot.net:
http://dogsnot.net/mt/images/gordon.jpg
I'll get the 2nd one in a bit
Ripley--I had grappa in Corsica. Reminded me of lacquer thinner, but without the pleasant bouquet.
Gordon, you have gotten more attention than you deserve. And, what's more, you know that, full well.
Shame on you.
Olaf, too
Yeah Jonny, Gordon's a big hit with the ladies who like being called "cunt".
Which is, none of them.
everyone knows Saddam HAD chemical weapons...he used them on the Kurds. The only question is when did he get rid of them...The UN has no idea because he stonewalled the inspectors.
Hmmm...What did other famous people have to say about Saddam's Chemical Weapons program.
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and
Nearly everyday. You leave for work, your wife leaves the drapes open as a signal and I swing on in.
Gordon,
My "wife" has a bigger penis than me.
Are you queer?
Continued:
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
Yeah Jonny, Gordon's a big hit with the ladies who like being called "cunt".
Which is, none of them.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:48 am | #
Why would I care to be a fan of yours Jennifer? You're ajust a second rate. The Ed Mcmahon of Atrios's Moonbat Command. The lackey.
You can't even think for yourself. You just spew talking points and agree with others.
Gordon, you have gotten more attention than you deserve. And, what's more, you know that, full well.
Shame on you.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:48 am | #
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Haven't you noticed that when some website/blog really catches on, the owner is always a bit suprised. It's like "I was just doing this for fun. I never thought that many people would read it."
People who try to shock/annoy people into reading their shit always wind up frustrated. I think it's the nature of the web. There's so much gratuitous trolling/annoyance/attempts to shock/outrage it just gets boring after awhil.
I have zero interest in clicking on Gordon's homepage. It's already boring.
You leave for work, your wife leaves the drapes open as a signal and I swing on in.
Wearing this.
I have zero interest in clicking on Gordon's homepage. It's already boring.
SWR | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:50 am | #
and that matters somehow? Where's your blog SWR?
Dubois.
So you're saying the Democratic establishment is made up of a bunch of hypocritcal fuckheads.
No argument from me here.
Here's Gordo's BullShit Story from Friday Night....
"Keep barking all day little doggie, but are you gonna bite? Were we face to face dorkboy, I'd be rubbing your nose in my dog's shit. That's a fact, not like your talk.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.04.05 - 5:30 pm |"
He refuses to address it or respond
i'm pretty sure grappa is basically italian moonshine. it's something that people make themselves and the quality varies. i have had homemade raki (which is grrreek grrrappa, even though no grrreek would ever admit that it is anything like grrrappa), and it was pretty good. not aged at all. tastes like burning grape skins. not something i would drink regularly, but worth a taste.
Gordon, you have gotten more attention than you deserve. And, what's more, you know that, full well.
Shame on you.
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:48 am | #
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I just comment here. Don't blame me for the behavior of your lackeys.
Shame on YOU Sarah.
Done of them was so stupid, as to do Shock an Awe
and that matters somehow? Where's your blog SWR?
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:51 am | #
My point exactly. I really don't need the attention.
You do. But it's not going to get you very far anyway.
Just do something interesting and people will notice you. Trolling web forums to try to interest people in something that's been done 1000 times better is just dull.
Grappa is a traditional Italian spirit made from the pressed seeds and skins of grapes after the must (grape juice) is used in winemaking. Grappa is made all over Italy, from Tuscany to Naples, to the Veneto. The process is simple: the leftover grapeseeds and skins are fermented without added sugar or alcohol, as the skins are naturally high in residual sugars. After fermentation the Grappa is distilled and it becomes adry, intense, and complex liquor. Grappa is very strong, between 80 and 90 proof. It is served as a digestive after heavy meals. It functions perfectly as a digestive or “Digestivo”, at the end of the meal.
http://www.cellartastings.com/en...ure-
grappa.html
oh good. now web dubois is going to quote a bunch of people who have been proven wrong to bolster his argument. did you and gordon go to the same troll class?
Grappa is nasty, but the Mediteraneans love to share it with you. I just smiled and claimed I wnjoyed it.
SWR,
Will verbatim do? If linking to an old thread midthread is possible, it's a skill I have not mastered...
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Keep barking all day little doggie, but are you gonna bite? Were we face to face dorkboy, I'd be rubbing your nose in my dog's shit. That's a fact, not like your talk.
As for Iraq, I've already been there twice so stuff it you cowardly bitch. You just sit back and enjoy the free ride with the rest of your liberal freeloading friends and welfare cheats.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.04.05 - 5:30 pm | #
SWR, I like Hemingway but man, doesn't reading his stuff make you want a drink? Christ, between the vermouth, grappa and absinthe, it's a wonder he can find the space left to tell a story. God, I love Hemingway. (Except for his vapid male/female "love conversations", oy)
Sally, the laquer thinner description is too kind. That crap nearly blew me off my chair. I still have some numbness in my toes and it's been over a month since I drank that vile devil's brew.
Wearing this.
Gordon the Love Monkey
OMFG, disclaimer please!
I'm still waiting for your credential OAF.
Gordon claims to be fucking my wife.
If true, that makes him gay.
Unless he's GigoloJimJeffy, which would make him a predator/prostitute.
And still gay.
Warning according to Page Six in today's NY Post:
FYI: Political pundit Anne Coulter has finally made it. The blond bombshell's mouthing off has landed her on the cover of Time Magazine. Expect to see her this Monday if nothing else ground-breaking happens in the world ...
Yeah, I'm so second-rate that you've spent a good bit of your time here tonight responding to my spewing of "talking points".
Which makes you a fourth- or fifth-rate lackey, at best.
And one with a deathly fear of vaginas.
You can't even think for yourself. You just spew talking points and agree with others.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:50 am | #
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ah, ah, ah. now gordon, we already had that little talk about projection, so be a good little boy and behave.
" I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouch, scaramouch will you do the fandango
Thunderbolt and lightning - very very frightening me
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo Figaro - magnifico"
Had to do it cuz of the Gallileo references upstream. Plus its late.
I have to run. My mom just got home and I want to get some before she goes to sleep.
Gordon, I have much, much in my life to feel shame about. This was not one of those instances. You are deliberately provocative. {erhaps you even believe some of the BS you have spouted. For that, I call you out and invoke shame on your head.
Right now, I ain't feelin' any shame.
Not like I'm immune, just not in this instance.
SD
ok folks, this obsession with the Fat Troll Gordo has got to stop. I know it's fun poking at him with sticks, deflating his claims of being a vet who has already served in Iraq for two tours, and using foul langauge to cause discom-boob-ulation to his memory core, but really, we got better things to do.
Atrios, I got 101 US dollars to donate to the good deed doing organization of your choice if you'll block his ISP.
Anybody else want to kick in to sweeten the pot?
SWR, I like Hemingway but man, doesn't reading his stuff make you want a drink?
I just read Farewell to Arms. I've never ended a book on such a depressing note.
I need to get laid.
SWR, I like Hemingway but man, doesn't reading his stuff make you want a drink?
I need wine and cheese every time I read the middle part of A Farewell to Arms.
In another lifetime, Hemingway could have been the wine critic for the New York Times.
Atrios, I got 101 US dollars to donate to the good deed doing organization of your choice if you'll block his ISP.
Anybody else want to kick in to sweeten the pot?
NM Red | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:56 am | #
Knock yourself out. This is worth a laugh. I'll pitch in $10 to his paypal account.
I just read Farewell to Arms. I've never ended a book on such a depressing note.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:56 am | #
Hemingway's point?
War has consequences. And it usually seems absurd to the soldiers fighting in it.
What do you expect a war novel to have? A happy ending?
I've been to Iraq for a year. What color are the Bedouin tents? Anybody who's been there knows that.
NM Red--I'm in for $50
i don't understand why gordon has to use the word "c##t" all the time. is there a psychiatrist out there who could explain it?
And I like Atrios...he is definately "The Man." But why is he morphing Chaney...a Republican into Che Guevara...a Communist?
I mean Mussolini I could see, or maybe even Attila (That Hun Bastard)! Anyways, the Democrat L.B. Johnson had Che killed, so we can't even tie THAT to a Repub.
I mean really, Che?
" i'm still waiting for your credentials, OAF."
i don't have any credentials, gordon, that is why i look to experts like scott ritter for information.
For that, I call you out and invoke shame on your head.
Right now, I ain't feelin' any shame.
Not like I'm immune, just not in this instance.
SD
Sarah Deere | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:55 am | #
Lighten Up, Francis.
You need to talk to your peers. Do you see what they've written in this thread? Don't turn a blind eye. Perhaps I bring out their worst, but their worst exists, doesn't it?
Atrios, I got 101 US dollars to donate to the good deed doing organization of your choice if you'll block his ISP.
Why would you want to waste your time?
The only reason people pay attention to "trolls" is because they don't have anything interesting to say themselves.
If you blocked Gordon:
a.) Another one would take his place.
b.) The regulars would start accusing one another of trolling anyway and get into petty bitch fights amongst themselves.
Ladies and gentlemen, you're in the middle of another Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Million-Dollar Weekend!
Cue jingles...
i don't have any credentials, gordon, that is why i look to experts like scott ritter for information.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:59 am | #
Yes, hired pens from Al-Jazeeri.
LMAO.
Dave, in the 11 p.m. hour, you do have Cal signed up to be the sponsor, don't you?
Gordon's 70 year old mother:
"Gordon dear, will you take out the trash?"
Gordon:
"Take it out yourself, you lazy old cunt. I'm busy trolling."
To think Lennon had Gordon all figured out:
"He's a real nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody.
Doesn't have a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere Man, please listen,
You don't know what you're missing,
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command.
He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?
Doesn't kave a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?
Nowhere Man, don't worry,
Take your time, don't hurry,
Leave it all till somebody else
lend you a hand.
He's a real Nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
for nobody."
gordon, next time you steal my name you should remember that i never use capital letters. it will be more convincing.
They're kind of a purpley maroonish orangey beige?
Did I win or did Gordo beat me to it? please, please, please let me win... please....
Anybody else want to kick in to sweeten the pot?
I'm in for $10, just because he claims to be fucking my man.
(I know he's not a chubby chaser)
NM Red--I'm in for $50
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:58 am | #
As the President of my Fan Club - I knew SallyH would pull through.
For those not in the know, Charles Evers is a member of the Mississippi Republican Executive Committee.
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Pete--the technical term i hear from mental health professionals is 'asshole.'
Hemingway's point?
That there never was and will never be a point.
Point™, being the sole property of WalMart. Any reproduction or rebroadcast of said Point™ without the express written consent of WalMart is hereby prohibited.
Pete--the technical term i hear from mental health professionals is 'asshole.'
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:03 am | #
A room full of Freudians discussing the difference between an "asshole" and a "dickhead" would be an amusing thing to see.
gordon, next time you steal my name you should remember that i never use capital letters. it will be more convincing.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:01 am | #
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I never stole your name dumbass. You're as gullible as ever.
Nope, they're psychedelic like those hippie buses back in the 60s.
Pete--the technical term i hear from mental health professionals is 'asshole.'
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:03 am | #
It took you two all that discussion and thought to arrive at the conclusion that I'm an asshole?
I could have told you that myself.
... in the 11 p.m. hour, you do have Cal signed up to be the sponsor, don't you?
Midnight to six. Cal likes those low, low overnight rates...
Sweet fucking jesus. The parents lose one child and request that the other two be sent home or sent to non-combat duty. And they get death threats and hate mail, almost certainly from members of the cowardly 101st Fighting Keyboarders. Giving one child is not enough, the Keyboarders demand that all be sacrificed for the glory of Dear Leader.
Some Americans just do not deserve citizenship.
not a big hemingway fan myself. i like a lot of his short stories, but the only novel i really like is "for whom the bell tolls". i think he is kind of overrated.
I don't think it's a good idea to name your operations center for an obstructionist who was defeated by a no name because of his obstructionist tactics, while he was the 2nd mostimportant dude in the Senate..
What kind of message does it send to name your HQ after a loser!
You've also admitted a deep and abiding fear of vaginas.
"The only thing about masturbation to be ashamed of is doing it poorly."
Freud
Paul said the same thing, but of cource in a nicer way.
Day after day, alone on a hill,
The man with the foolish grin is
keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see he’s just a fool
And he never gives an answer.
But the fool on the hill sees the sun going down
And the eys in his head see the world spinning round.
not a big hemingway fan myself. i like a lot of his short stories, but the only novel i really like is "for whom the bell tolls". i think he is kind of overrated.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:06 am | #
I really enjoyed The Old Man and the Sea but the Farewell to Arms conclusion left me perplexed.
Meanwhile, for those who can't wait for Cal's all-nighter...
And now, back to our Ignore the Moronic Brownshirt Fucks Million-Dollar Weekend!
The only thing about masturbation to be ashamed of is doing it poorly."
Freud
Ripley
Ripley, the frequency with which you cite that quote on Eschaton makes me want to jerk off.
Just be sure you bring him on, Dave. A night without Cal is simply not complete in LA.
Spike
Nice catch I forgot about that one. I was never too deep into the Beatles. Shameful of me, but then I am a bit eccentric at times.
My favorite Hemingway short story is.."The Short and Yappy Wife of Francis Macomber"
i think this calvados is even a little smoother than cognac.
Gordo's gay.
He's admitted it.
How long has it been since you got laid?*
Jonny Quest | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:41 am | #
Nearly everyday. You leave for work, your wife leaves the drapes open as a signal and I swing on in.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 1:45 am | #
For those that missed it, my "wife" is a man.
FWIW, he wouldn't fuck Gordo, but he might let him suck his cock.
My favorite Hemingway short story is.."The Short and Yappy Wife of Francis Macomber"
Agent Orange | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:10 am | #
sounds like SAllyH.
I really enjoyed The Old Man and the Sea but the Farewell to Arms conclusion left me perplexed.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:08 am | #
The heroine dies in childbirth.
War = Barren/Meaningless
But Hemingway doesn't really try to give everything a "point".
It's all about the quality of the writing. Does a Mozart string quartet have a "point"?
Dave, that's so awesome!!!
"The only thing about masturbation to be ashamed of is doing it poorly."
"To drink is nothing. It is to be drunk that is important." Hemingway
And my favorite for tonite:
“But an intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend his time with fools.” Hemingway - For Whom the Bell Tolls
No offense to present company, of course.
Whoops
I meant "The Short and Happy Life of Francis Macomber"
Sorry it's late. I'm heading for my gazillionth and one tour to Iraq tomorrow.
yeah, "the old man and the sea" is good too. i see that as more of a long short story than a novel though.
Kind of like comparing Saddam to Hitler.
SWR
Have you been watching the Discovery Times channel? Yes, the "Gray Lady's" distant cousin ran an entire week of that horsecrap, with the History Channel occasionally chiming in.
HC even ran a special on Nazi Werwolves, using comparisons to the Baathites as a selling point. Of course, even the rankest amateur history buff knows that the Werwolves did not kill one single fucking U.S. soldier after the war ended.
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Bas Armagnac is smoother than Cognac but I wouldn't turn my nose up at it - but rather full-on into the glass. Sniff - aaaahhhh.
Rips,
I luv you, no harm intended! 
JPZ, it's not me, it's all these Eschatonians and their obssession with Freud. Hell, if you're going to quote Freud, it might as well be something titillating.
yeah, "the old man and the sea" is good too. i see that as more of a long short story than a novel though.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:12 am | #
It's his writing style that's gripping. Who else could write about a tale like that and somehow keep you enraptured.
Same with Farewell to Arms - it truly was an uneventful book for the most part but he keeps you on your toes the entire time.
of course, gordon is gay, and he is humiliated by it.
HC even ran a special on Nazi Werwolves, using comparisons to the Baathites as a selling point. Of course, even the rankest amateur history buff knows that the Werwolves did not kill one single fucking U.S. soldier after the war ended.
There was some American soldier being interviewed by Christ Mathews who was pushing the Nazi Werewolves story.
The funny thing about this guy was that he had lost his leg in Iraq and was going back for a second tour of duty with his prosthetic. He described the feeling of stepping on a mass of blood and gristle and realizing your foot is crushed with a good deal of literary skill. He made it come alive to me.
And yet when he turned to politics, he got boring and doctrinaire.
"“But an intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend his time with fools.” Hemingway - For Whom the Bell Tolls"
Well that is an excellent rationalization for my ill spent youth. I have to use that the next the subject comes up in conversation and my wife gives that 'look' coupled with the rolling of the eyes.
Gordon sucked my wife's dick.
"The Hills Like White Elephants"
and especially, "A Clean, Well-Lighted Place."
Sorta like a fresh thread...before the "bad-touch man" comes.
Olaf, Calvados is wonderful. In cooking w/it, it's just fucking lovely with chick breasts and tarragon, butter and calvados. Oh, my seet Jeesus. Delicious.
Rice, perha[ps steamed spinach.
Highly edible!!!!!
G t M: "Perhaps I bring out their worst, but their worst exists, doesn't it?"
Most of the people I know lean Republican, and it would pain me no end to learn that any of them would waste time the way Gordon does. Fact is, they'd probably be almost as offended by him as they would be by some of the regulars here.
We're a long way from seeing Gordon at his best, but he doesn't seem to care...so long as he's being seen. It's pathetic.
Jonny - just let me slip into Ed McMahon mode and tell you, you are cracking my shit up.
"The Hills Like White Elephants"
and especially, "A Clean, Well-Lighted Place."
Sorta like a fresh thread...before the "bad-touch man" comes.
driftglass | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:17 am | #
"Soldiers Home" is a great story.
You know the one where the soldier accidentally blurts out to his mother that he doesn't love her.
i'm not saying hemingway was a bad writer. he wasn't, and "a farewell to arms" is a good book. i got bored with "the sun also rises" though. maybe if i had just sort of stumbled onto it myself it would have been different, but i had heard so many people tell me how fantastic it was and i was a little disappointed.
of course, gordon is gay, and he is humiliated by it.
capio | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:15 am | #
You're naive capio. I could care less what any of you think of me. You think I'm a homo? Suit yourself. It matters not one bit. Although it makes me wonder how such open minded people could prtray being gay as dirty. You obviously have issues with your own sexuality.
Do you care what I think of you? Probably.
I guess the anonymity of the web is beyond your comprehension.
"Soldiers Home" is a great story.
Haven't read it, but thanks for the tip.
Folks,
Just a caution. Before we rush forward with the "It Was All About WMD" judgement on The Preznit, why not actually read his speech to the U.N. as documented by the Beeb. You can find it here;
http://tinyurl.com/5wtjm
Kind of make my point earlier. The one that SWR either chose to miss or lacked the necessary faculties to understand. No one really KNEW what he had up his sleeve because he was in violatin of 19 different U.N. Resolutions.
Sad on it's face really. Just goes to prove how worthless the U.N. really is.
We also have statements from his senior science advosirs who say the Saddam THOUGHT he hd a robust WMD capability. Of course the advisors lied to Saddam because they didn't want to be fed into a plastic shredder, or have their wives/daughters raped while being forced to look on.
But really, Saddam was better than free elections in Iraq. You guys just keep telling yourselves that.
Although it makes me wonder how such open minded people could prtray being gay as dirty.
Being gay is no more dirty than being heterosexual.
Pathetic closeted gay men are as contempible as pathetic straight men who whine about how no woman likes "nice guys".
Neither sexual orientation has a monopoly on assholes.
(insert Freudian comment here)
Gordo is gay.
He's admitted it and is now afraid to respond to me.
Silly faggot.
projecting again, i see.
i'm not saying hemingway was a bad writer. he wasn't, and "a farewell to arms" is a good book. i got bored with "the sun also rises" though. maybe if i had just sort of stumbled onto it myself it would have been different, but i had heard so many people tell me how fantastic it was and i was a little disappointed.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:18 am | #
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I just purchased For Whom the Bell Tolls - am curios how it will unfold. What I am surprised by is the reaction to hemingway by people like SWR that claimed his point to Farwell to Arms was that War=Pointless/Barren. I'd always heard the critism that Hemingway glorified war.
I'll have to read more to form an opinion of my own. For now, I have no idea what his point to Farewell to Arms was, but it's not as pointed as others suggest, I bet.
Nick - I caught that too.
Everyone has a "worst". Only jackasses revel in displaying it.
And only very small men look for it in others.
I bet Gordon watches a lot of reality TV, because he just can't get enough of seeing people act like assholes in real life.
Pitiful.
my favorite hemingway novel is "all quiet on the western front", by erich maria remarque.
"pathetic straight men who whine about how no woman likes "nice guys". "
Okay now that just hurts SWR.
Grappa is nice. Ouzo is nice, too. They are great disinfectants. Calvados is wonderful in an apple pie.
I once tried some home-brew. Now that was not nice. But it would serve as rocket fuel, perhaps. I have no recollection of the following two days.
Kind of make my point earlier. The one that SWR either chose to miss or lacked the necessary faculties to understand. No one really KNEW what he had up his sleeve because he was in violatin of 19 different U.N. Resolutions.
I'd admit you were right if Bush simply came out and said "sure we thought Saddam had WMDs. We were wrong. Sorry".
But instead he's trying to move the goalposts and say it was all about "Democracy".
But really, Saddam was better than free elections in Iraq. You guys just keep telling yourselves that.
When they actually have "free elections" in Iraq, I'll admit you have a point. All that election was about was a mullah named Sistani telling his people to go to the polls and vote his ticket in the naive hope that he'll have some leverage to get the US out. He's going to be very dissappointed.
Hemmingway hung out in Key West and Cuba and liked to drink and fish. He was alright in my book. He also liked New Orleans.
I'd always heard the critism that Hemingway glorified war.
He glorified the ability to keep a sense of self in the middle of a war. He didn't glorify war.
There was so much stupid crap written about Hemingway and Henry Miller (usually be feminists) in the 1970s and 1980s I'm surprised anybody reads either.
SWR, am I really pathetic? Geez, I was just sayin that women don't dig my righteous rap and snappy threads.
Well, back to my International Male catalog and Tony Robbins tapes, I guess.
Hmmm, maybe a goatee....
Hemmingway had a hella life.
And he wrote some stuff, too.
Good night Moonbats.
Hemingway also blew his brains out with a shotgun.
N.B. Gordo "the 2 tour veteran of Iraq"
BTW - We found the WMDs a year ago.
http://tinyurl.com/29ybe
http://tinyurl.com/3flxu
Next stop Damascus!
"i'd always heard the criticism that hemingway glorified war."
people respond to things different ways. i think hemingway glorified perseverence in the face of despair, and war was a good metaphor for that.
perseverence isn't really the word i'm looking for. it's less trivial than that.
Nite, Breadfan
Hey Orange...so did Hunter S. Thompson! Well, a pistol anyways.
Hemingway had the whole horros of war thing gogin.
Maybe Hunter had the whole horrors of Whores thing.
Hemmingway wasn't just some dumb perch jerker, he went after the big boys; Blacks, Blues, and Whites. I have to like if for nothing else than that.
Next stop Damascus!
W.E.B DuBois | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:27 am | #
Or Tehran.
After that the draft.
Hope you enjoying sending your kids....
BTW, have people realized yet that those "Support our Troops" stickers on SUV's in suburbia really mean this:
"Support the fact that white trash from red state America are going to war instead of my own kids".
It's kind of like Secretaries day or like being nice to Walmart greeters.
You guys just keep telling yourselves that.
W.E.B DuBois
You had this same argument the other night. Identical. A number of people responded to you and pinpointed the flaws in your argument. Take a fucking walk or sing a new tune for us.
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Yeah but Thompson did it while he was on the phone to his wife!
What the "F" was that about?
SWR, that is sad, you do realize there is so much work involved to locate, pay for and then place a sticker on the tail of the car. It can take at least an hour to figure out just the right spot.
"wtf was that all about?"
i heard it was a rumor and wasn't true.
here's why I'm willing to put money up to ban el Gordo -
tired of having to scroll thru dozens of posts concerning him
he's gone beyond my tolerance levels with his continual verbal abuse of the women on the thread - not that our wimmenfolk can't handle themselves - I just come from an age where we would cut the shriveled balls off the blubbery body of some punk who spoke like el Gordo continually, and shove 'em down his throat.
I'm just trying to sublimate my intial desires to engage with troll by offering up a donation to rid us of the pest, my priest told me I really needed to work on my aggression issues by turning that energy into positive works.
We got $150 pledged, so I hope Atrios reads this thread in the am and we get results by afternoon. Whatever good deed doing organization you name Atrios, the USO, AnySoldier.com, Doctors without Borders or Planned Parnethood, you name it and I'll have a check in the mail by evening. Just do your best to remove this pissant form our midst.
SWR - Purple fingers all around! Looked pretty free to me.
And look at the effect it has had on Saudi (local elections - a first), Egypt (elections with an actual opposition party) and let's not forget Syria!
I love the smell of Democracy in the Middle East.
Hey Ripley,
If that was you on last night's thread, all I can say is, hang in there if for no other reason than to say you survived GWB's rain of doom.
Oooh, insightmag.com! What, no Talon News links available? Getting tired of NewsMax? For Dog sakes, if you're going to link to fantasy, at least give us some "Elvis weds Alien" quality entertainment.
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I thought Hemingway's rep as someone who "glorified war" was more a result of his WWII reporting than his fiction (got this idea from a bio I read).
He's another of those writers who's work has been overshadowed by his Myth. "Farewell to Arms" is good but I really liked the Nick Adams stories.
i normally ignore trolls. tonight i just felt like arguing with gordon.
SWR, that is sad, you do realize there is so much work involved to locate, pay for and then place a sticker on the tail of the car. It can take at least an hour to figure out just the right spot.
When are the troops going to realize that:
Flatter doesn't equal respect.
Flatters are people who want something from you. Those people who are spewing crap like "all freedom comes from the soldier" or "Hollywood liberals don't give us freedom like you soldiers do" aren't patriots. They're flatterers.
If they respected the soldiers that much they'd send their own kids. But flatters want something from the people they're flattering.
It's kind of like "you soldiers are great. Hey. Now be a good fellow and sign up for another tour of duty while I send my kids to Harvard".
SWR - Purple fingers all around! Looked pretty free to me.
You've been picking 'shrooms?
i blame the calvados.
Olaf glad and big
The problem is Gordo hasn't changed his tune lately, he could be a script running. Boring. Hell even the neo-nazis would toss him out due to that. Next thing you know the only cub that will accept is the teletubbie fan group. Then what?
The "W" Bush Administration keeps waving flags and boosting about how patriotic they are.
Are they really patriotic, or is the "W" Bush Administration practicing a "Political Patriotism" where their boosts of being patriotic is really all for show, a political con game to look good for votes?
http://www.vetsforjustice.com/
That was me, JP. I was serious but perhaps a little amped up about it. I'm far more sanguine tonite.
Although, SWR's remark that I'm a pathetic nice guy just makes my blood boil. Damn you, SWR, daaaaamn you!! 
Hemingway was a consummate asshole. And, I hated his prose, I preferred Fitzgerald.
Hemmingway was so fucking macho that he really was ajerk,
I still forgive no one who thinks the word "cunt" is okay to use generally against women. Which is not to say some are not worthy of the epithet - it's just not to be used easily, frequently.
SWR - Purple fingers all around! Looked pretty free to me.
Purple fingers, all around ... don't know if my digits up or down.
In other news:
http://tinyurl.com/42hb9
I think this is a great tactic. Now when the Dems start hollering and screaming Nuclear or Hitler (which they seem to do alot these days) the Repubs will declare "No Working With Them" and change the filibuster rules so conveniently used by Democratic Senators (like Robert "KKK" Byrd to try and stop the Civil Rights Act of 1964).
http://tinyurl.com/4uxpo
Here's the best part...we'll win in the public eye. There will be no backlash against Repubs.
Hemingway is a good writer but not one that I have ever wanted to re-read. Maybe because his worldview didn't have much space for people like me. But he's a good first writer to read in English if that isn't the reader's native tongue.
SWR - Purple fingers all around! Looked pretty free to me.
Seemed more like a religious ceremony to me. Like Ashes on your Forehead.
There's no question that Sistani told his people to go vote and that he's cooperating with the US.
But if you think that means "Democracy" you're sadly mistaken. Democracy is a lot more than one election. And it's not really possible when you're under a foreign occupation justified by a phony charge that the country had WMDs when it didn't.
Yes Saddam was bad. So is an environment so dangerous and so chaotic that US troops try to blow away a Western journalist who just got free of the insurgents.
But go live in Iraq if you think it's so great. Go sign up to be a contracter and drive a truck between the airport and the green zone. Then come back and tell me all about "Democracy".
It can take at least an hour to figure out just the right spot.
I like when they place the loop around the keyhole on the trunk. Cute.
You know he does look a bit like a TeleTubby in his "About Us" page on his web site when I think about it.
Dear Sarah...shut up you dumb cunt.
Hemmingway was so fucking macho that he really was ajerk,
You're an idiot. Seriously.
aw, olaf, why not argue with me instead?
springsteen or U2?
the Cubs will never win the World Series
Bigger War Criminal of our time, Kissinger or Rumsfeld?
come on, let's tussle!
"i prefer fitzgerald."
-sarah deere
i prefer steinbeck.
W.E.B. - yes, you'll "win" all the credit for the economic collapse, the draft, and whatever other fucked up bullshit your overlords decide to rape us all with.
Welcome to it, pal.
Good Morning Ladies and Germs,
Anytime you're tempted to pay the slightest amount of attention to me just remember:
I'm so fucking stupid that I classify Hitler as a 'leftist.'
Despite all evidence to the contrary.
So what if his closest political alliances were with the German military-industrial complex and conservatives of the Fritz Theissen school? So what if all his policies were conservative in theory and effect? His party's name had 'Socialist' in it, so he must be a leftist!
If You Think About It, It Explains a Lot about My Schtick.
And it becomes tiresome.
sarah deere isn't an idiot.
nmred:
springsteen
no
kissinger
I love the smell of Democracy in the Middle East.
Please, like you give a flying rat's ass if the people in the ME have a democratic society. Sell it someplace else, sister! This neocon bullshit about ME democracy is a disgraceful veneer for "George was right! George is good! Free oil!" and you know it as well as we do.
oh, fuck, I give up. Sweet dreams, all.
SD
I prefer Faulkner and Walker Percy out of the old guys. And John Irving, Salman Rushdie, Mario Vargas Llosa and Gabriel Garcia Marquez out of the "new" guys.
sarah deere isn't an idiot.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:41 am | #
Rephrase. She made an idiotic remark about Hemingway.
Anybody who thinks Hemingway was stereotypically "macho" is simply deluded and shallow.
NM Red
Here's my take on Gordon. It's easy to ignore his usual shit, but Friday evening when he claimed he'd been to Iraq twice that was simply too much.
I think even he realized what a scumbag he must be for telling that lie. He ignored every single reference I made to it.
I think it was important that as many of the regulars know just how insane this guy is. (Plus that photo of him can't be denied)
Anyway, blocking him does seem somewhat unnatural to me.
Let me add that I made countless comments all day today and there was pretty minimal pick up on most discussions. I don't think it was Gordo obsessions hogging the threads.
Other than the Italian hostage shooting disaster it was a slow news day.
Who is a bigger war criminal?
Bush
Cheyney
Pol Pot
Hitler
Pinochet
Good company eh?
Some also buy the yellow one and red, white and blue one and match them up exactly on each side of the vehicle like placing two vases on the mantle of a fireplace.
sarah deere isn't an idiot.
Not even close.
Sarah...such language from a woman who doesn't approve of the word cunt.
I'll never forgive anyone who thinks that cheapening rape through casual use of the word is OK.
William Faulkner
Actin'happy, an' I dunno why,
'Scuse me, while I kiss this guy...
Regaining My Humanity
By Camilo Mejia, AlterNet. Posted February 28, 2005.
This letter is written by a US Soldiers who is currently behind bars, as he choose not to serve a second tour in Iraq.
And this letter gives hope.
i would post a link if i could but i dont know how to do such technical things.
Here's my take on Gordon. It's easy to ignore his usual shit, but Friday evening when he claimed he'd been to Iraq twice that was simply too much.
I think even he realized what a scumbag he must be for telling that lie. He ignored every single reference I made to it.
You mean people lie on the Internets?
I'm shocked.
Welcome to it, pal.
Jennifer
They'll all just fade if it came to that.
Ignore the Useless Timewasters™.
You'll feel better.
So I use my status as a civilian employee with DoD to try and pretend that I'm an active duty service member. So I've got exactly the same chance of going to Iraq as that old guy sitting on the park bench clutching a brown paper bag. Riding a desk here in Brussels is really risky! And I do have a reserve comission in the IRR, so it's not like I'm absolutely lying or anything. Of course, they'd reject me due to weight standards - those milkshakes really paid off, wink wink.
Sure, if Kerry did the same things as I do I'd call him every name in the little black swiffer boat book.
But IOKIYAR.
Don't even get me started on why I spend all my spare time posting on lefty blogs. It's tough to go out in a foreign country if you're too stupid to learn languages. I might even find myself unable to have lunch at MacDonald's. And they play soccer but call it football. It's like they think they're a sovereign nation or something! Plus, they might point out that my fearless leader is a warmongering fool and that would hurt my widdle feewings.
Sweet, I'm being parodied! Thank You All, Good Night!
I like when they place the loop around the keyhole on the trunk. Cute.
Incog, I swear to Jeebus I was walking thru the parking lot at work and saw an SUV with two ribbon magnets. One "Troops" and a GBtUSA magnet. But for symmetry's sake on the tailgate, the GBtUSA ribbon was....fucking Upside Down!!
Fucking McPatriots.....
Agent - was that REALLY Gordo's picture?
Sweet Mary mother of Christ.
friends, it doesn't matter if el Gordo is a deeply clostest self loathing homosexual or a sad pathic marginally hetrosexual in his own mind...
The true state of Gordo's sexual being is impotent. Limp. He can squeeze and lube, fondle and beat until the carpal tunnel in his working hand throbs, but his meat will remain soft and small, rubbery and flubbery, no proud standing man-rod of lust for el Gordo.
Maybe the reason he keep hurling vulgarities around is that the first time he ever really tried to, you know, Have The Sex, he realized he would never ever have the means to satisfy either man or woman, and then the $2 hooker told him his time was up, even if he wasn't.
Sad, really, really sad. But then, so is the eternal limp and flaccid state of his tiny shriveled dick.
I believe Egypt's "opposition" parties for their electionsare going to be selected by the ruling party.
"meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
When Hemingway's father killed himself, H happened to be in NYC and short funds to get home to Chicago. Ol' drunken Scott Fitzgerald hand delivered a wad of cash to Hemingway at the train station.
Hemingway repaid Fitz by making him the butt of the "rich are different than you & I" story and others in "Moveable Feast"-- which I always thought was pretty cheap of him, and in a way below his own standards.
Fucking McPatriots.....
Ripley | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:47 am | #
This isn't Vietnam. Maybe back in 1973 the soldiers did face a lot of hassles from anti-war types when they got back home.
Different war. Different anti-war movement.
But I just hope those returning soldiers realize that the aggressvive/aggressive behavior that some soldiers faced in 1973 is now passive/aggressive behavior and it's coming from the war's supporters.
I hope they realize that "Support our Troops" means "I support you're right to go to Iraq and die instead of my kids".
Because that's what it means.
By the logic you put our on Hitler, that means because Bush calls himself a conservative, he is.
This so so confusing.
It is really late NM red, I really didn't need that graphic description of Gordo's equipment.
By the logic you put our on Hitler, that means because Bush calls himself a conservative, he is.
This so so confusing.
EkCenTriK | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:50 am | #
There's some bizarre logic on the right.
When LGF had open comments and I used to troll there it was a bitch just getting them to admit that Hitler was a "white supremicist".
They didn't think the term applied.
I mean, if Hitler wasn't a "white supremicist" who the fuck is?
Liddy Dole is willing to eat the dingle berries of any soldiers who have relatives in Iraq.
Hi Jennifer
The consensus of all the tech types was it was really Gordo. At one point he referred to the photo without claiming that it was a fake.
Plus if you go to his link and search around there's a lot of weird stuff.
The combination of all his cutting and pasting that no one reads and his obscenities really makes him unpleasant. I'm relatively new around here and have slowly learned how pathetic he is and frankly agree that generally he and others like him should be ignored. But the "I've been to Iraq" BS was more than I could stand.
White collar conservative flashin' down the street, pointin' that plastic finger at me..."
Seriously, the ONLY way to get rid of droolers that I can think of is a registration system. Unique posting name, unique E-mail gets you an account. You show habitual abuse - namecalling just for the sake of it, etc., you get whammied. No more accounts for the E-mail address for six months.
It's not drool-proof. The whole point of security is to make it too much of a pain in the ass for droolers to bother with.
BTW, 'drooler' is my term for troll. I think troll gives them unwarranted gravitas.
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SWR that is pretty extreme.
Tennessee Williams
NM, re: blocking Gordo -
I appreciate where you're coming from but I'm of the feeling that it's a free country and a free blog. If they want to come here and beg for Troll Chow™, they're certainly welcome to it.
On the whole, I don't mind Gordo, except for his distasteful comments toward the ladies. A person can debate with a modicum of grace and civility, I would think, and I don't mind crossing swords with "the other side" if they'll show a little respect in their tone. I've been blocked from FReep and LGF when I was quite civil but I think we can all stand up to some opposing opinions here, eh?
swr, alot of the vitnam vets i know say they got more disrespect from the vfw and american legion than from anywhere else. i'm sure people had different experiences.
Ripley
That was absolute and complete tripe!
(Just testing your reflexes based on the following line)
"but I think we can all stand up to some opposing opinions here, eh?"
SWR that is pretty extreme.
EkCenTriK | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:55 am | #
It got to the point where they were calling me an "anti-semite" for comparing Hitler to the Klan, saying there was a relation between both ideologies.
I have no idea how they came to the conclusion but it had to have something to do with "how dare I compare blacks and Jews. How dare I compare American racism and slavery to the Nazis".
Obviously in their minds, American white supremicism is on another level than the Nazis, that the Nazis were particularly evil and that American racism isn't. And that made me a "Holocaust Minimizer".
But of course then they'll turn around and call Hitler a "socialist", as if comparing Hitler to the British Labor Party, Michael Harrington or Willie Brandt makes any more sense.
"THEY TOLD ME to take a streetcar named Desire, transfer to one called Cemeteries, and ride six blocks and get off at Elysian Fields," Blanche DuBois says in Tennessee Williams’s play A Streetcar Named Desire. With that loaded metaphor the lady from Laurel is introduced to the world.
That about sums up life.
It's all about expressing experienced hurt without showing political weakness.
A tough row to hoe.
Ripley--I do think he's been extraordinarily disrespectful to the women who frequent here. 'Cunt' is a term reserved for the likes of Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin.
And Sarah is nothing even remotely resembling an idiot.
vitnam=vietnam
doh!
Ek, you bastard ! I'll keeeeeeel you!!!
A-HA!!!! I thought so.
swr, alot of the vitnam vets i know say they got more disrespect from the vfw and american legion than from anywhere else. i'm sure people had different experiences.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:56 am | #
I think the problem in 1973 was that we were deeply divided.
I have no doubt that some soldier in uniform who walked into the wrong place in Berkeley got some hostile stares or comments.
But how about the guy with long hair who wandered into the wrong town or met up with the wrong local cops or walked into the wrong bar.
Thank George Bush for bringing us back to the point where Americans hate one another, where political difference make you "evil" and not just "wrong".
sorry ECT, just got a little of the old water of life in me, and feelin' a bit vulgar.
but you know I'm right.
Olaf, I know Kissinger has had a longer career of encouraging the killing of non-American people by bombs dropping ontheir villages or overturning elected governments in Latin America, East Timor etc., but really, don't you think Rummy has taken the whole mass-murder under diguise of 'law and war' to a new level, especially with the new improved napalm and the creation of bunker-buster bombs and increased use of DU weapons?
Sure, the Vietnamese are suffering the 4th generation of massive birth defects due to Agent Orange (and I lost a beloved brother in law to the long term toxic effects of AO a couple of years ago), but think, DU will be floating in the air, blowing in the wind, contaminating ground water for centuries to come!
I think FoxNews was really hitting hard on the term "Islamo-fascists"for a while.
Obviously trying to equate the Iraq war with the legitamacy of World War II
I agree, Sally. You sure seem to give young Gordo a fright, btw.
And Sarah is nothing even remotely resembling an idiot.
Sallyh | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 2:59 am | #
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Maybe not. But I'm just sick to death of doctrinaire feminist putdowns of a great writer like Hemingway or Henry Miller.
Her statement was ignorant and shallow. No big deal. I make ignorant and shallow comments all the time.
For example, "Zora Neal Hurston" is a fucking overrated writer.
Or "Susan Brownmiller is a closet racist".
yeah, it's a tough call, red. i'm sure if von rumsfeld had had the opportunities kissinger had he would be way ahead by now. henry k. had a blank check for years and years and years though.
SWR--I don't know that I'd consider it doctrinaire. From my own experience, I'm not a Hemingway fan, but I simply don't connect to the experiences he describes in his stories. I would never deny his talents.
Night, moonbats. I'm going to go hang upside-down in my cave and get some sleep.
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Ripley-Gordon (or anyone else) would have to be a serious wimp to be frightened by me. I'm only a little over five feet tall
re blocking el Gordo - yes, it's a free world, and free speech is vital to a working democracy -
but free speech doesn't mean I have to tolerate trolls coming in a taking a dump in the living room
besides, el Gordo is impotent, and not even the enormous doses of Viagra old Bob Dole uses to gird himself for the battle of drilling Liddy's dry and leathery nether parts will ever enable el Gordo to get a stiffy
sad, really, but all too true
henry miller is my hero. when i refer to bush as "the turd in our national bidet", that is an allusion to a hilarious scene in "tropic of cancer".
One thing forgotten because it changed so quickly was that George W Bush's first choice for chairman of the 9/11 commission was of all people, Henry Kissinger.
I missed Sarah's comment re Hemingway.
SWR, he certainly didn't write much to dispel the "helpless female" mythos. I love H's writing, but I can see where women might question his character development.
But now, I have to drink this beer. Thanks for all the Hemingway conversation, you guys - I'm loaded now! Geez.....
SWR--I don't know that I'd consider it doctrinaire. From my own experience, I'm not a Hemingway fan, but I simply don't connect to the experiences he describes in his stories. I would never deny his talents.
I'm not a fan of atonal music, for example, of Schoenberg or Webern.
But I don't make blanket generalizations about it because I don't understand it.
Honestly, "Feminist Literary Criticism" has done a lot of damage to some reputations that don't deserve it.
The statement that "I can't connect with Hemingway's writing" is fine.
The statement that "he's so macho he's a dickhead" is just stupid.
I really don't want my kids reading the latest trendy "I'm an immigrant and living in two cultures" feminist novel and not Hemingway. Sorry.
"Obviously trying to equate the Iraq war with the legitamacy of World War II
Agent Orange"
That is the problem, they have to try. It shouldn't be a question. We now take your Back to the White House...
Dick they aren't buying it again. Dick?
Yo? Anyone out there?
Oh Good. I can try out this new IPod while no one is looking.
(Much grooving to Vertigo when suddenly a thought pops up.)
Hmm where are my Secret Service guys?
Laura?
Yes Dear?
Do you know where everyone went?
Well Dick said they were going to get some cold ones, felt a bit embarrassed to ask you to go along.
Why?
Well you really are the type of guy they all want a beer with.
Oh well.
(Replace headphones, KarmaKameleon comes up, much off tempo finger snapping occurs)
They come and go...hmmmm hmm hmm hmm
(man it is late time to hit the sack)
NEW RULEZ:
1. DO NOT PASTE A 47 LINE COMMENT. LEARN THE 3RD GRADE ART OF HYPERLINKS AND SYNOPSES.
Sallyh;
SMALL BUT MIGHTY.
There's nothing overrated about Zora Neal Hurston.
Hemingway has never done anything for me, but I do recognize that he was a competent writer. Just not my cup of tea. Same as Zora Neal Hurston may not be yours.
Susan Brownmiller, I can't comment upon. Never read a thing she's written.
Generally I'm not real interested in reading fiction writers with an obvious agenda such as feminism or any other ism. All writers have an agenda; the good ones can put it across with subtlety. The difference between revealed truth and recitation of tired talking points.
"I'm only a little over five feet tall"
Anyone over three feet is a threat.
Well thats my view point.
Her statement was ignorant and shallow. No big deal. I make ignorant and shallow comments all the time.
Is that a pathetic attempt at an apology?
Your lack of tact is a detriment to your otherwise thoughtful insight.
Lighten up.
SYNOPSES.
Listen, your Frenchy bastard, this is America and in America we speak Americanish, got it?
Actually, SWR, they might both be valuable reading experiences. To be fair, a lot of feminist theory doesn't do it for me, either. But I would gather you'd want your kids to come to their own conclusions.
hemingway has always sort of come across to me as an american version of kipling. kipling wasn't the prose stylist hemingway was though. i really like a lot of his poetry though, stylistically.
thanks to all who defend the ladies on this site...i cannot stand the word "c#nt"...it turns my stomach.
All writers have an agenda;
My agenda is free drinks.
There's nothing overrated about Zora Neal Hurston.
I tried to read "Their Eyes Were Watching God" in order to make an ex girlfriend happy.
Bored me to tears.
Spike--actually, I'm more of a miniature marshmallow
I'm a stupid cunt.
hemingway has always sort of come across to me as an american version of kipling. kipling wasn't the prose stylist hemingway was though. i really like a lot of his poetry though, stylistically.
Kipling wasn't as much of a fascist as people make him out to be but he was a bad writer compared to Hemingway.
Or rather, a lot of crap is mixed in with the good writing. It's probably because Kipling was churning out a lot to make a living off of it but there's no comparison in terms of their ability to write.
Hemingway was simply the better writer, one of the best ever.
I cannot express how freaked out I was when I learned Bushie listens to Van Morrison, a genuis I've listened to since those first chords of "Gloria" came pounding out of my transistor radio on Jones beach... I mean, Van is a mighty pillar of rockin' jazz blues, whose complex lyrics about his personal serach for God and Illumination have taken him far and wide across the universe.
How is it possible that Bushie could even hold his attention span to listening to, Oh, the live 'One Night in San Francisco" version of 'In the Garden"? Does he hear and identify all the musical and lyrical qoutes and allusions? Can he tell when it's Van on the sax?
Totally freaked me out.
Like I said, not your cup of tea.
Frankly, I thought the Old Man and the Sea was stupid and boring.
That doesn't mean Hemingway was overrated necessarily, just that I prefer other authors.
I'm a stupid c#nt.
Sallyh
C'mon Sallyh, forget about shycat I'm even offended by that.
Frankly, I thought the Old Man and the Sea was stupid and boring.
It was. Hemingway should have shot himself at 30, not 65.
He just likes "Brown Eye Girl".
"my agenda is free drinks."
on a lot of terry pratchett's books they have the little "about the author" thing on the back. it says he is the author of these books, he lives in england, etc. and concludes by saying that he likes it when people buy him daquiris.
I appear to have a namestealer (I think people here would know what comment I didn't make).
any comments after this one are not mine. I accept no responsibility and would appreciate a replacement credit card in the morning.
Agent Orange--not moi.
I'll bet Dubya couldn't name 3 Van Morrison songs without saying something like "you know the one that goes like this"
Spike - that's even freakier - please, it's my favorite early Van song. Yeah, had a brown eyed girl of my own, and there was a waterfall involved once...
OK Sallyh, understood and good night.
daquiris make me sick.
I am more of a beer drinker or rum.
Cuba Libre
2 ounces Rum (White)
3/4 ounce Lime Juice
5 ounces Cola
Put lime juice and a twist of lime into highball glass. Add rum and fill with cola.
Did someone's dom finally tie him up in the basement? Good grief, this place is unbearable when that bastard is here. Unfortunately, that's exactly the effect he wants to create. I'd like to stick around rather than be silenced, but I learned a long time ago that it's better to walk away rather than deal with a serial abuser. There is no reasoning with such a monster. It's folly to keep trying.
funny that the man's name who ran for sheriff where i live, is "mike hunt" -- no joke -- all i saw were campaign posters throughout the county that said "vote mike hunt for sheriff"....yes, i live in a red state
Rhett Butler: Frankly my dear, Fuck Bush!
nmred, everything in the official story of george bush is a lie. he couldn't name a single van morrison song, i'm sure. van morrison must have polled well among the base, that's all.
wb, LJ
How is it possible that Bushie could even hold his attention span to listening to, Oh, the live 'One Night in San Francisco" version of 'In the Garden"?
He's not a Van Morrison fan. He just says he is to have "cred" with his own generation.
Always remember: If Bush is breathing, he's lying.
hi lj
I am proud to say I have bought Terry Pratchett a drink. It was in a round of drinks for the table, so I don't recall what it was, besides, it was late and the last night of a long weekend.
Then we spent an hour talking about making cider the old fashioned way like they do in Wiltshire, the keeping of bees, and how fine the Milky Way looks in the New Mexico night sky.
Yes, sometimes, life is very very good.
Van Morrison must have polled well among the base. I don't think they listen to a lot of Van Morrison at the Nascar track.
that was all my fault. i was feeding gordo. i had a good time though.
There is no reasoning with such a monster. It's folly to keep trying.
LJ,
He'll be back tomorrow, feeling more confident because of the attention lavished upon him tonight.
Stupid fucking people.
Thanks Ripley (Why do I always think of rippling abs when I see your name...?)
Shycat: I have some relatives with the last name Hunt and it was a cardinal rule never to name any of them Michael.
Always remember: If Bush is breathing, he's lying.
Bush wakes up, Satan licks his lips.
Van Morrison must have polled well among the base.
Does anybody really believe Howard Dean likes Wyclef Jean?
Or is he just trying to to connect with what he thinks the younger generation likes?
Hi Olaf! (big wave and smile with a flash of dimples)
Jonny:
You can tell people--and tell them--not to engage him. Some can't resist, for whatever reason they have. But I had to learn to walk away from such people. The hard way.
Does anybody really believe Howard Dean likes Wyclef Jean?
Probably one less person than those who care.
I taunted Gordo obsessively about his being "in Iraq" lie, but he responded to my post but ignored the content completely and never admitted that he said it. Otherwise it really is pointless to "debate" him.
sallyh is a fat cunt
Damn. Need a cigarette. Be back in 10. Somebody save my seat!
He'll be back tomorrow, feeling more confident because of the attention lavished upon him tonight.
Stupid fucking people.
Jonny Quest | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 3:26 am | #
Does it really bother you that much that someone who doesn't like your political views and has a web browser would post to the same open forum as you?
The problem with "trolls" is that there really is no problem. They very rarely derail a good discussion. They usually only show up when the whole thread is a waste of time anyway.
Yes, "trolls" are a problem with sites/usenet groups devoted to more specific topics like say, I dunno, a programming language or a Microsoft Operating System.
But on an open, freewheeling discussion board devoted to loud, outraged discussions about politics?
I'd say they belong here. Banning them would be worse than feeding them. And I find the "troll hunters" just as (or even more) disuptive. With Gordon, you know you're dealing with a right-winger. With the people who try to shout down all discussion by typing KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE after each post you actually find yourself censoring your own thoughts.
If W is such a big Texan he could have said Jerry Jeff Walker, Bob Wills, or Willie Nelson.
Somehow, I don't think Van would go well with most of his base. But you're right, I forget sometimes that the Bush machine is built of lies. I keep hoping I will wake up from this weird dream of living in Bizarro America where a duty-dodging coward is elected president over an honorable war hero who became a warrior for peace when he returned home.
OH well...
and LJ, like you, I just can't stand the stench el Gordo and the like emit. I spent most of the day doing trianing to become a ward worker for the local Democratic party, had a great evening with friends and just wanted to hang out with the Atriosii before I toddled off to dreamland.
I swear, if I have any spare time tomorrow, I won't waste it battling the trolls, but if Atrios can ban el Gordo, I'm still good for $101.
KERRY IN A LANDROVER!!!!
He'll be back tomorrow, feeling more confident because of the attention lavished upon him tonight.
Stupid fucking people.
Jonny Quest
Word.
I don't call 'em Useless Timewasters™ for nothing, you know.
It's 'cause they are.
i think you're right, swr. there are plenty of other sites that don't have open comments and i'm sure they don't get the trolls we do. i don't go to them much though. i prefer the setup here.
i've posted on here 5 times and someone already has stolen my name
Wait, I bollocksed that right up, didn't I?
Right again SWR
"They very rarely derail a good discussion. They usually only show up when the whole thread is a waste of time anyway."
Today's threads really never took off and I don't think it was Gordo.
the "troll hunters" are pretty funny too, swr. pretty much every single regular poster here was attacked for being a troll when they first started showing up. honestly, i'm surprised any of them come back sometimes.
shycat, sorry about the name stealing, there's a lot of low lives this time of night who have no original thoughts, so they resort to name stealing and basic foul langauge. no artistry, no imagination...
ah, the juniper pollen has finally gotten to me, eyes tearing up too badly to read, and the sniffling is getting annoying, even with the Zrytec coursing thru my system.
think I'll call it a night - good dreams and a fine Sunday for all -
i think you're right, swr. there are plenty of other sites that don't have open comments and i'm sure they don't get the trolls we do. i don't go to them much though. i prefer the setup here.
This is going to sound cliched but the right and left really are mirror images of each other.
Take LGF and Atrios.
LGF: OH MY GOD THE LIBERAL MEDIA SUCKS
Atrios: OH MY GOD THE CORPORATE MEDIA SUCKS
They're both based on outrage. And they both tend to devolve into tight little groups of like minded people who group together based on their dislike of outsiders.
The fact that LGF censors and requires registration and this site doesn't is what makes this site better. In the long run, I think what makes the left better than the right is a committment to open debate.
If you have an anti-war march, it's better to let the lunatic with the Bush = Hitler or 9/11 Victims were Little Eichmanns sign marching along with you than going through the trouble of banning them.
Right wingers don't really have the same problem. They're openly authoritarian. It has a lot of political disadvantages. The right has a disciplined party line. The left doesn't. But I'd rather lose elections then become like them. I like the fact that "The Left" includes a lot of different contradictory groups.
Wait, I bollocksed that right up, didn't I?
Ripley, that was perfect!
Topic for discussion....
When the Iraq business started and France wouldn't get on board, as it were, McPatriots went loony. "Freedom Fries", pouring French wine into the streets, etc. But Germany didn't get on board, either. How many people sold there Mercedes and BMWs?
Go!
i remember when surfdork started coming around. he can be an abrasive bastard and he'll even admit that. everyone said he was a troll because he was against gun control. that was just what he was blogwhoring that day.
The funny thing is that they honestly, sincerely believe that Nedra Pickler is a "Democratic Operative" at LGF. And we honestly believe she's a tool of Bush.
The really irritating thing is the way most of these corporate whore journalists like to flatter themselves that they piss off both the right and left and that it somehow gives them some integrity.
You just know that Christ Mathews is still patting himself on the back for the fact that he drove Zel Miller into a violent rage.
In his mind, that makes him a liberal somehow and it gives him the right to fawn over Bush in the flightsuit.
Olaf:
The problem with most newbies is that they don't do the smart thing, which is lurking for a while before commenting. Plenty of people go in expecting a site to conform to what they want it to be, not accepting how it is. It's not really about conforming, as it is to figure out if it's a place where you think the people are those who really do share similar (NOT same!) viewpoints and that you can make a contribution.
ripley, i was going to buy a mercedes right around that time. i changed my mind because of that and bought a hyundai instead.
None of the French bashers asked why there are no Canadian soldiers in Iraq. Had Canada been seated on the Security Council they would have voted against going to war. There goes Canadian bacon...read Freedom bacon.
As always, CS, my goal is to type with the accuracy and deftness of the gods.
And with a humble bow to the muse Typos, I leave this comment.
i think i started coming around here maybe just a little before it started getting really crowded, so i never had to deal with people caqlling me a troll.
I guess German chocolate cake would have become freedom chocolate cake. But it is strange that Germany didn't get the same approbation. Maybe, subconsciously, the freepi didn't want to attack the basis of their belief system.
None of the French bashers asked why there are no Canadian soldiers in Iraq.
Uh.... Canada sent troops to Iraq.
I'm sure I'm right.
if i had been treated with the suspiscion that new people are treated with today i don't think i would have come back.
Olaf:
The problem with most newbies is that they don't do the smart thing, which is lurking for a while before commenting. Plenty of people go in expecting a site to conform to what they want it to be, not accepting how it is. It's not really about conforming, as it is to figure out if it's a place where you think the people are those who really do share similar (NOT same!) viewpoints and that you can make a contribution.
It's not just "newbies".
I get accused of being a "name stealing troll" all the time.
A few days ago, in fact, because I wouldn't type "BUSH SUCKS" on demand and because I wouldn't go along with some Bush Planned 9/11 Conspiracy Theory.
I think the view of many Americans is that the Germans are legitimate determined adversaries or friends while the French are a bunch of wimps who never thanked us enough for fighting in 2 world wars to save them.
Of course if this were a thread directly involved in (say) rundraising for a Democratic candidate, you'd probably want to ban/delete trolls who come in to disrupt.
Not my site or decision.
But it's just dumb to go troll hunting in an open thread that "Atrios" posts because he wants to waste time and take up space.
There's a difference between open threads and threads with a specific purpose. Part of the reason you want open threads is so the trolls and troll hunters can get it out of their system and fight amongst one another.
Is that true... there are Canadian soldiers in Iraq? Were they there from the beginning? Hmmm.
I think Canadian bacon is now Freedom Pig Parts after the Missile shield flap.
Bubba likes his bacon, and we would not like to confuse him.
Actually some Canadians have served in Iraq. It's a miniscule number, but they were there. Something about an exchange program with other countries' forces. I seem to remember seeing that at CBC.
I don't like the wing nut party because they don't have any respect for the truth. The left does.
I think the view of many Americans is that the Germans are legitimate determined adversaries or friends while the French are a bunch of wimps who never thanked us enough for fighting in 2 world wars to save them.
Agent Orange | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 3:52 am | #
There are also more German Americans than French Americans.
The only reason the French get bashed is because there's no interest group in the US that will get pissy about it.
You wouldn't bash Irish, Polish, Italian, Jewish, or Puerto Rican Americans in the same way because you'd have interest groups banging down your door the next day.
i remember that swr. that's what i mean. that whole disagreement was all caused by people jumping to conclusions. i understood your point. didn't agree with it, but it wasn't something that i have any real evidence for or against. it just isn't the same as my opinion. that was a really weird discussion, come to think of it. but it's fine. people always come in here and say we march in lockstep behind atrios. that was just contrary evidence.
as a group we really can be viscious, tribal sons of bitches sometimes though.
You wouldn't bash the French in Canada. That would get you in no end of serious political shit.
SWR, I had you pegged as a good guy and I think someone free-rode your name.
The thing some folks forget is that while we come here under common ideology, we still have individual opinions on individual issues.
For example, I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment but I'm also pro-choice. I don't own a gun but I'm not about to tell someone they can't own one. I also believe a woman's body is none of the government's business.
I'm a straight, white man but I'm a rabid believer in equal rights and protection for homosexual citizens, women and "those non-white folks" that seem to bother so many people.
We'll never have 100% agreement on this board - but isn't that the point of a democracy and this little cyber world?
i remember that swr. that's what i mean. that whole disagreement was all caused by people jumping to conclusions. i understood your point. didn't agree with it, but it wasn't something that i have any real evidence for or against. it just isn't the same as my opinion. that was a really weird discussion, come to think of it. but it's fine. people always come in here and say we march in lockstep behind atrios. that was just contrary evidence
I think I linger on this site just to waste time/procrastinate.
There's no serious discussion about how to recover from Kerry's losing.
People put everything into that one election and now they're just milling about and wondering what to do.
It lost a lot of steam after Dean lost the Iowa primary and even more after Kerry lost.
Just checked iCasualities and no Canadian service people have been killed. So if they're there ...there can't be too many of them or they've been very lucky.
when the invasion of iraq started, i was in new orleans. there were some people who were trying to get people to sign a petition to rename the french quarter the "freedom quarter". i don't think anyone signed it.
If we did trash the French in Canada we would have to do it in two languages?
There are an ass load of Frenchmen down here. The Cajuns were the most anti French of the lot. The New Orleans bunch for the most just thought it was funny. Were we really going to change the name to the Freedom Quarter? We would not like to confuse the tourist, because there ain't anything free but the show in the Quarter.
SWR:
I understand your point. Sometimes people who agree on most things will still have conflicting views about a topic. It can get ugly when the red/blue state thing gets going. Especially the "Texas is all things evil" stuff. That's part of the debate, as far as I'm concerned as well.
Still the troll situation is problematic from the standpoint of the conflicting goals of this forum. For us, it's a place to exchange ideas and sometimes even coordinate plans of action.
I sincerely believe that the whole purpose of the trolls is to keep us from focusing on an issue to the point that we DO something about it. Or that they disrupt things so much that people will walk away rather than deal with it anymore, to keep us from banding together, from finding like-minded people. They want us to feel isolated and alone. It makes us easier to conquer if we're working separately than if we're working together.
SWR, I had you pegged as a good guy and I think someone free-rode your name.
I'm sure people do steal "my name" (whatever the hell that means) but I also get accused of stealing my own name.
I remember saying something like "if you live in New York you probably have a different opinion of Al Sharpton than people who don't. I don't like him" and the troll hunters saying that some "racist troll had stolen my name".
They were saying things like "so you don't like Al Sharpton. Too bad. We let black people vote now".
The problem is not that there isn't "political correctness/ethnic baiting" on the left.
There is.
The problem is that the right does it so much better.
"You're a sexist/racist/homophobe" is annoying but it doesn't really affect me when it comes from the left.
"You're an anti-semite" (for being against the war in Iraq or the Israeli occupation) does. The people making the charge have real political power.
"You're a racist for not liking Condi Rice" or "you hate Hispanics for being against our lunatic judicial appointment does.
But it is strange that Germany didn't get the same approbation.
They were attacked by mindless wing nuts online when they were being flooded by heavy rains that summer because of their lack of support. I have never been so embarassed and apologized profusely. It was disgusting.
LJ, that sums it up pretty well.
It is also an ego thing for Trolley. He likes it when his name is mentioned.
My best friend lives in Sheboygan, WI. We went to a little rest. one morning and they actually had "freedom fries" on their clip-on wall menu.
I was up there last w/end - the 330th was coming back from 2 years in Iraq and people were lining the streets, waiting for them to ride thru downtown.
All kinds of stories in all kinds of towns. My guess is that the guys/gals coming back to Sheboygan were running around in the backyard in their underwear, yelling "Snow! Snow! Snow!!!!!"
I sincerely believe that the whole purpose of the trolls is to keep us from focusing on an issue to the point that we DO something about it.
I don't think so. People just like to confront their political enemies.
I really didn't have much of an agenda when I trolled LGF or FreeRepublic. I just wanted to probe how they thought.
Gordon and Toby and the rest are as attracted to the left as they are repelled by it.
Incog:
It was far more embarrassing when the freepi were crowing over the deaths of French elderly people during that horrific summer they had right after the Iraq war started. They actually thought it was divine retribution for opposing 'Murka. Appalling!
Especially the "Texas is all things evil" stuff. That's part of the debate, as far as I'm concerned as well.
I remember getting into some fight with some guy named "RC Sanders" or something.
I thought he was a right-wing troll but he was just pissed that I was bashing the south.
The south still sucks btw.
SWR:
Some people like confronting their political enemies. Some don't.
I'm for discussing things with someone, not confronting. Again, this is a matter of differing outlooks and goals.
Can I just say that Liddy Dole could suck an olive out of a warm ass?
If we did trash the French in Canada we would have to do it in two languages?
That, my friend, is fucking hilarious!
See what I mean? Good times, babies...
"the south still sucks btw."
i am pretty comfortable almost anywhere in the us. south, east, west. no problem. i really fucking hate texas though.
That is funny because I think the North bites ass.
Every place sucks. And every place has something good about it.
It was far more embarrassing when the freepi were crowing over the deaths of French elderly people during that horrific summer they had right after the Iraq war started. They actually thought it was divine retribution for opposing 'Murka. Appalling!
They've also been pushing the line that those murders in Jersey City were a hate crime against Christian Arabs by Muslims for the past two months.
Oops. It was some Irish American and some Latino dirtbag who robbed them and used their ATM cards. No Muslims invovled.
Yeah I know, they treated the flooding as some sort of divine retribution, too.
texas is an awful place.
They've also been pushing the line that those murders in Jersey City were a hate crime against Christian Arabs by Muslims for the past two months.
And they'll continue to say so even though it's proved it wasn't. Like I said, they have no respect for the truth.
Olaf, there are parts of Texas I really, really don't like. I once described Texas as the Almond Roca state. It's yummy and sweet in the middle (Austin/San Antonio), but surrounded by a bunch of nuts (the rest of the state).
i am pretty comfortable almost anywhere in the us. south, east, west. no problem. i really fucking hate texas though.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 4:09 am | #
I honestly hate the more conservative parts of the country.
I'm still laughing over that article in the New York Times about how so few people want to live in Kansas they're giving away land.
HA HA HA HA HA
Fucking rednecks. Legalize gay marriage and you'll have as many new people moving in as Vermont does.
Who the hell wants to live in "Red State America".
The market's decided. San Francisco and New York are better than Kansas. Supply and demand. Nobody wants the supply they've got in Kansas.
Amen that, Incog
they really don't have any respect for truth.
is kansas really giving away free land?
Texas wasn't so bad before all the snow birds came down looking for jobs in the late 1970's. That was when I saw my first Republican. I still think places like Galveston, Austin, San Antonio, and South Texas are pretty cool. There are places in the North that I do like, like Mystic, Conn, and Plymouth Mass. Vermont sounds cool, but never been there.
Thanks to people feeding trolls, I'm just about done here. I don't have the time.
Why can't intelligent people resist being baited by assholes? Why do they willingly give over their space and energy to assholeness?
Why does anyone think it's about actual argument with these fucks? Why would you engage them? For the satisfaction of a clever putdown? Alas, I guess so. But clever putdowns are like crack to these assholes.
Clever putdown of troll - to the troll it's a blowjob.
Anybody who says one fucking thing to a troll is a pink tutu time wasting enemy of the people. God the fuck dammit, enough is enough.
Yeah, the thing about these Jersey City murders is what was Michelle Malkin trying to prove blaming it on Muslims before any arrests were made.
Do you think she'll apologize or will it be just be like the weapons of mass destruction that are really being found everyday in Iraq but the MSM won't admit it?
spike, that's what a lot of the texans who post here say. the transplants are determined to be more "texan" than the natives. and that is what bothers me about the fucking place. there is this manufactured enthusiasm for texas everywhere you turn.
it's the same kind of boosterism you get anywhere i guess, but everywhere else everyone just ignores that shit.
The way I feel about trolls is that you'll never get everybody to not respond to them so why waste a post asking them to? I don't care either way.
is kansas really giving away free land?
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.06.05 - 4:14 am | #
According to a New York Times article a few towns are.
But look at it this way.
According to voting patterns, Red State American wins narrowly.
According to the market blue state America easily wins.
People vote with their wallets. People who have the education/freedom to live where they like like it where it's liberal and tolerant, where their kids will get a real education instead of memorizing the Bible.
They don't seem to have a problem with the sight of a few guys holding hands. Last time I checked, straight people still want to live in downtown Manhattan. The gays aren't really a problem for most of them.
i lived in northern virginia for 25 yrs then moved to south carolina...it's been an eye-opening experience.
i'm with you, incog. you can come on here and say whatever you want to whoever you want. that's what i like about it.
Spike:
Actually, the real transformation of Texas happened when people moved here from the Rust Belt in the late 70s/early 80s. What we got were the equivalent of the Alabamans of that area: Ignorant, prejudiced, and hopped up on religion (as if we needed MORE of those). Then they tried to be more Texan than those of us who had lived here all of our lives.
I actually had one of these transplanted fools tell me I wasn't a real Texan with my "high-falutin" Eastern liberal elite ideas. I was like, wait a minute--you're from Ohio, aren't you?
Idiot's reply? "I've lived here since 1982. I've been here longer than you, little lady."
My rejoinder: "Buddy, I'd been living here 19 years in 1982. In East Texas. I think I know a lot about Texas you never will."
Sure, Sharkbabe, now you come in and chastise us for handing out Troll Chow™.
But these are like... robotronic, probably computer controlled, hella smart trolls! Olaf tried to debate one of them and it just deflected his logic like a... smart..type... thing.
It's like jumping off the roof with an umbrella - you know it won't work but you just. have. to. try it
Yeah, the thing about these Jersey City murders is what was Michelle Malkin trying to prove blaming it on Muslims before any arrests were made.
That's why the DA's office and the cops don't speculate on their investigation to the public.
The cops will (of course) consider every theory. Was it a hate crime by Muslims? Does anybody really think the cops didn't ask if that question was plausible?
Then you move on when the evidence doesn't bear it out. I'm sure they interviewed the victims' extended family/business partners/financial contacts/possible drug dealers etc. before anybody.
I moved to Dallas TX from PA in 1974. The situation there at that time was mildly schizophrenic. You had half the population of native Texans who never travelled out of the state and the other half from the Northeast and CA. And frankly the two groups didn't mix very well.
Disco was still going on and the Urban Cowboy crap was alive and well. I left there 3 years later and haven't returned.
That article doesn't go far enough and the apology is unwarranted.
IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THE US MILITARY YOU DESERVE TO DIE.
I HOPE IT HAPPENS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER...
THOUGH IF YOU GET THE CHANCE TO POISON YOUR FAMILY WITH DEPLETED URANIUM...
GREAT!
There are places in Texas that I totally hate. Dallas is one of them. There are some good people fighting like hell to make it a better place, but what a screwded up city it is. I hate Vidor Texas most of all. The North Shore in Louisiana is the same way.
Snow Birds, btw, is what we call the old people who settle here to warm up their old, tired bones.
did you give him an assload of tony lama, lj?
i would sign up for some of that free kansas land if prairie didn't give me the heebie jeebies. . .
I lived in Dallas for a while (1981-2). It's schizophrenic as hell, but even that was better than where I came from in East Texas. I was at least able to avoid the worst the town had to offer during my own time. The Dems back then were feisty and FUN. Went to a hell of a great barbecue with our statewide Dem winners after the 82 election, including Ann Richards and Jim Hightower.
My vision:
Olaf, walking the streets of Topeka with his wee prairie dog on its wee prairie dog leash. Yapping on his cell phone and trying not to spill his wheat grass latte.
good times, man...good times...
I remember after I moved to Dallas friends would come from the Northeast to visit and I realized there was nothing in Dallas to show them other than where Kennedy got shot!
Incog
have you ever looked at NZ, lovely place, green, somewhat clean, and nukular free
gay and kitty friendly
oh and would you know how one cooks
"dirty rice"
Olaf:
Ferragamo, darling (yes, we wear Italian shoes in Texas). I had a pair of Tony Lamas that I wore all of one time. I wasn't a boot-scootin' honky tonk angel type. Blech.
Remember when Jim Hightower was running for his first term as Ag Commissioner. His Conservative Democratic opponent lost the election because he stuck his hand into a bead of fire ants. Texans back then had some sense and voted the man out of office, because if that man didn’t have enough sense to know better than that he should not be in office. What ever happened to that Texas?
I'm not suggesting that Olaf drinks wheat grass lattes, of course.
That was just my vision.
Although, Simpsons fans, if you've never tried a Lawnmower, you owe it to yourself to have one. Wheat grass juice and vodka - sure, it sounds nasty but it's oh soooooo good. And possibly healthy....
i was just stereotypin, lj. i live on the east coast and i wear cowboy boots all the time just because i think they are really comfortable.
Agent Orange:
Not even the Museum of Art? Or Cedar Springs Blvd at night? Or the Bonnie and Clyde sites? Some of the buildings where Bonnie worked were still around when I lived there. Ever go out to White Rock Lake at night to see if you could spot the ghost?
Emeril Lagasse's Dirty Rice
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/
...6_28033,00.html
Popeyes Chicken calls it Cajun Rice, I wonder why?
my boots are not fashionable here. if you wear cowboy boots here people suspect you of being gay in fact. but the hell with them. i like how they feel on my feets.
Spike:
I dunno. I think we had the last gasp in 1990 when Ann Richards and Clayton Williams went at it. Boy, there was a guy who was dumber than a bag of nails.
cheers mate
i had that on a street party in NY, i think it was the caribian carneval or something like that.
awasome, i will chook up a feast tomorrow.
That is funny because I have never worn cowboy boots, but I do wear Dr. Martins. Ya'll remeber the goat man of White Rock lake. I got people bared in the Blue Light Cemetary. I have never sene that ghost though.
I think the Museum of Art was in it's infancy if it even existed (1974-76). I used to go down to Oak Cliff (the seedier part of town) to find the best bars (Mother Blues and Little Annie Fannies)and clubs that weren't filled with urban cowboy yups.
And speaking of Van Morrison I saw him at SMU, whatever they call their venue there. Oh yeah saw Bruce Springsteen the week he made the covers of Time and Newsweek. Got there 30 minutes before showtime and got seats on the sixth row.
The problem was people really wanted to see where Kennedy got shot too.
Olaf:
If you want the truth, they're not fashionable here except for the rednecks and the Tejanos. The farmers/ranchers wear them purely for necessity. Like the difference between an urban cowboy's pickup and a rancher's pickup, you can tell the difference between a faker and the real thing by the condition of the boots. If they're shiny and new, they wearer is a wannabe cowboy. If the boots are scuffed and maybe even tracking something that smells to the high heavens, the wearer is the real deal.
i keep mine fairly clean and shiny, but they are not fancy at all.
I never saw the ghost, either, but it was fun to go out to the lake and look.
We're supposed to have a TON of ghosts here in San Antonio, and I'm not so sure I don't believe it. I was at a place downtown and went close to the window--I just got this terrible feeling of something closing in on me, of being pulled down. It was only in that spot by the windows. My son felt it, too. I didn't learn until later that it's a place where a ghost supposedly hangs out. Creepy!
Yeah, but you're not in Texas. The line is pretty neat.
I did know a guy in McAllen who wore cowboy boots for the reason you did. He just liked 'em. But he had a ponytail halfway down his back, too. He was good-looking and not a rube, so I forgave him for it.
Most of the farmers/ranchers that I know wear Red Wing boots. They are not really roach stompers.
http://www.redwingworx.com/redwi...edwing/
5455.htm
i bought my boots when i decided to boycott sneakers. sneakers are crap.
Agent O:
You know, I lived there all that time, visited the town I don't know how many times before and after living there, and all I ever did was drive by the Kennedy stuff. Honestly, it creeped me out.
Roach stompers. Heh. Haven't heard cowboy boots called that in a Looooong time.
You live in Dallas Spike?
There are supposed to be ghosts in the Alamo, the Folk Life Museum (which is really a great museum) and some old theater in San Antonio. I guest the dead like great Tex/Mex.
mine are ostrich, though. but you can't tell unless you really look at them because they don't have those ugly pimples on them like the really expensive ostrich ones have.
I remember that the most common Dallas postcard available was an overhead view of Dealy Plaza where Kennedy was with dashed lines showing the trajectories of the assasin's bullets from the Texas School Book Depository to the street below.
God I loved sending that postcard.
Oh yeah, I forgot the StateFair and the Sugar Bowl too.
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein...doesn't have nuclear warheads..." Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
There ya go gordo, SUms it up nicely. Now when are you going to serve because your'e full of shit you have not pulled two tours and your BS got called on it before here...
No, I live in New Orleans now. I grew up just north of Houston, but spent a great deal of time in Dallas and Austin. I have been to San Antonio and South Texas on many a drunken journey.
Agent, that would be the Cotton Bowl. They play the Sugar down here in bayou land.
We always made "dirty rice" with boudin sausage on the side. Don't know if that's available in NZ. It's everywhere here.
I did visit Austin and San Antonio. Found them both much more attractive than "prestigious North Dallas" where I lived. People actually used that phrase plus calling it the Metroplex...how seventies can you get!
That, or a lot of people weren't ready to die at the Alamo. Some really sad stories about that, relatives fighting on opposite sides, stuff like that. I think the only Alamo defender to get a "Christian" burial was a relative of a prominent Mexican office (for some reason, I want to say it was Cos, but that may not be right).
The Menger Hotel is crawling with ghosts!
While Haloscan was mucking about, I took a jaunty jaunt over to LGF to see how the other half lives.
"Why, Rip, why???", you're probably asking. Well, kids, I have six letters for you.
N A T Z I E
That's right, one of the illustrious LGF trogs doesn't even now how to spell "Nazi".
#43 ibmkeyboard 3/5/2005 08:20PM PST
from the producers,
reminds me of churchill, and the joke he is. no offense to winson.
churchill, churchill, he cant even say natzie
If it's parody, the nevermind....
I have some cowboy boots, too, with really pointed tips to get the roaches in the corners, if need be.
Sorry your right Cotton Bowl. My apologies! I had tickets one of those years to see Penn State play somebody (Texas OU ?)and was so hung over from New Year's Eve I never made it to the game.
boudin sausage is probably hard to find in nz. prolly have to substitute some kind of mutton sausage or something.
I've been to New Orleans, but both times it was for business reasons. I didn't even have time to do more than get there, then have to be back, so I didn't get to do much of anything there. Total, total bummer.
i think churchill always referred to them as "nazziees". always pronounced it that way, i believe.
Well, I'm over and out, folks. Gotta sleep. You freethinkin' moonbats have fun
Yea Ripley. It was Franz Lipkin the kraut on the roof, with the birds...those filthy rotten disgusting boids who blasted Churchill for not saying Nazis properly.
"Churchill called us naaaazzeees...WE WERE NAZIS! but he said naaaaazzzees."
nazzies
Bourbon Street is kind of like 6th Street, but more touristy.
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Huh....
I wonder if Bushie likes Van Morrison's "Bang Contractual Obligation Demos".
here's a sample lyric;
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Everybody together on the chorus.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George, Boogaloo!
Boogaloo baby.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
Here come dumb George.
I wonder how many books Dr. Churchill has sold since the armies of darkness went after him. I wonder how many people, who would have never even heard of him, read his essay.
This cat's going to bed.
Nite, freethinkers
Probably sold more books than he imagined but he's going to pay a price for the notoriety that's been bestowed on him.
Until next time. Sleep tight Gordie, wherever you are.
Over and out
incog
i will see what i can find to substitute.
i have somewhat nightmarish memorys about the boudin blanc.
My boss in the south o france looked like one and behaved like one. Yuk Yuk Yuk
off tho the "Mad Butcher" tomorrow. Yum dirty rice, maybe i should pull out the leather wear?
Cheezes Olaf, are you still going? Haven't you finished that calvados yet?
Ever tried boudin rouge?
spike
yuk yuk yuk, of all the things in the world blood saussage is the most disgusting something.
shiver me timber in a very unpleasant way.
boudin rouge ........bah
Maybe the first time you try making dirty rice stick to Emerile's recipe. Boudan is excellent in it though, if you can get the real stuff.
As for the people having the nerve to death threat families of casualties who want their others home,
remember wiemar republicans- there comes a reckoning.
Even the media is slowly turning tide...
They never do until it's past the tipping point, and are doing so now.
Any day now the Star Chamber or perhaps even the SCOTUS will chime in.
And the old CIA spooks will have their word.
But we'll go due process on the Bush brat and bring back the word of law and respect for process in the community of nations.
Meanwhile Cheney's daughter is dealing with Mid East affairs. 'magine that. Now she can stage the next terra event(Sauds?). Madrid didn't really help it was intended to reverse spin their PM's downward spiral based on his war for lies.
It didn't turn Europe into right wing reactionaries either.
Your false flag ops failed. You can only use it for distraction, not for effect. So go ahead and place your next target, when you bring that crap here and let another 9-11 get staged there will be some hell to pay.
You target is Venezuela (oil) and asiatic allied staging points for Al Qaeda. You need asomething to justify a presence in each. COlin worked COlumbia into position, and the free trade asia deals with State Dep't foreign aid to create policed industry-entities to secure the jobless going there.
Chinas is the big player in Asia now. Japan has the debt leverage financing and a low currency to be their top trade partner whilst Oil goes there.
Brazil makes more food than we do. We no longer lead in that and when ANOTHER COUNTRY CAN SET MARKET LEVELS FOR OUR SUBSIDIES, AND OUR DOLLAR AND OIL PEGGED ECONOMY TANK, WELL YOU GET THE IDEA.
But it's okay. WOlfowitz was going to run the World bank, so the S&L scandals of papa Bush in the 80s and the farm loan program they tanked and raped will take a new fall and get bought up with foreign money. Cheney's daughter oversees OPEC and Israel ambassador posts? Do tell
You pathetic trolls, and your deep seated armageddon/fundamentalist scenarios are going to enable our selling off to the people you hate most. And you boss prayer POTUS, who personally autographed evangelical language for papa's policy
and still had sense enough to cuss out a critical writer of his father's term in front of his wife and child and a full restaurant, well it just goes to show the core of Bush's heart is a rotten soul who uses the language of religion as an ends to a means.
SO go ahead and put your vile words in here. Karma is coming your way.
spike, i will follow the recipe, i will just not eat the unspeakable.
Morning all.
Well I guess this little episode with the Italian journalist will derail w's mending fences visit to old Europe.
QL - especially given that Berlusconi was second only to Blair in the sycophantic choir. Sounds to me like the Italians, even the conservatives, are pissed at the Busheviks for this incident. And they're brushing off the Bushevik agitprop and wanting real answers... one of many things that scares the crap out of snotballs and other fine Busheviks... the truth.
China influence seen as positive
From the BBC news. It seems our program of bombing our way to democracy isn't winning us friends.
China is expanding economically and militarily
China's influence on the world is seen as positive by more people than is the case for the US or Russia, according to a new BBC World Service poll.
In total, 48% of people polled in 22 countries said China's role was mainly positiveThe majority of respondents were also positive about the communist nation's growing economic power.
But far fewer people wanted to see an increase in its military might.
Even in neighbouring Asian countries, which have historically been suspicious of China's dominance, opinions were relatively benign.
An exception was Japan, where only 22% of people polled said China had a mainly positive influence.
Most Japanese respondents expressed no. Only 30% saw it as mainly negativ
The Japanese still haven't apologized for WWII. They refuse to pay back people who they stole time, virginity and property. We allowed them to wipe off the debts of WWII.
The Chinese remember this.
This makes the Japanese nervous. The trillion dollars in American debt held by the Japanese can be turned into mush in a minute if the Chinese sell off their half a trillion in American debt on world markets.
This scares the Japanese who are between a rock and a very hard place now.
Bill Moyers has this story.
one story after another drives home the fact that the delusional is no longer marginal but has come in from the fringe to influence the seats of power.
And that's for openers. Why do I get the feeling it is not going to be a good day.
The Japanese have been forced by their own policies to bankroll Ameirca's trade red ink. At first, the Japanese thought it was very clever, buying up the loyalty of Reagan and et al (we do NOT own our Presidents or Congress) and they did this because they ran the most red ink with trade with us than any other nation.
Now their red ink is less than a third of the red ink China forces us to spill and the Japanese are still stuck with paying off the American trade deficit while not being the beneficiaries of said deficit.
The factories the Japanese built in America, hiring us as if we are a third world nation, are now under great pressure from exporting nations of Asia, particularily busy, hard working China.
They can't change direction easily because they are caught in a death embrace with the thrashing, crashing, freaking out American empire which is increasingly hated by the planet's residents.
How did the "delusional" come into power in Germany during the Great Depression?
When people are scared, they usually do dumb things. Look at Ohio. Supposedly, they endorsed Bush for President even though Bush's pro Walmart activities has left Ohio with virtually no industry except for military factories.
Even as the devastation increases, seemingly, the desire to worsen it increases. This is insanity but then, key industrial nations have gone totally insane in the past.
Elaine - there is also a whole lot of trade going on currently between Japan and China. Japan bumped the US from the #1 spot as China's largest trade partner in 2004.
Still an interesting dance going on as the Busheviks are allied with the Japanese neo-imperialists in trying to push Japan to re-arm and fall in line as a good Bushevik puppet as part of a farcical "encirclement of Communism" *snort*
When people are scared, they usually do dumb things.
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I've been pretty much saying the same thing. For three days I kept an indepth article from the LA Times linked. in a nutshell the article said that financial risk has been shifted onto the backs of working people (doesn't matter if you earn $200,000 or $20,000) thus making the great middle class less secure. This is scaring people on a daily, gut level. Doesn't matter how good a job you do, you can be fired at the drop of a hat. Need health insurance, fuck you, you are on your own. Unemployment benefits used to last 15 mos. Now the end after six.
When people are scared they will grasp at any straw, including believing the delusional. We may be blaming 9/11, but it is really the corporate deconstruction of our economy that has people shivering in their beds.
QL in NY ... Good morning. Do you still have the link to that LA Times article? If so, can you please point me to it? I want to send it to a few people.
Everyone I know who is young knows there is no magic carpet ride. For example, when my brothers all graduated from college, all of them got a first job and this is the only jobs they ever have held.
This is because they work either for the CIA or the military/industrial complex, designing weapon systems.
They have jobs so long as our empire endures.
Meanwhile, their kids and my kids DON'T have nifty jobs. Not due to lack of education or trying but because the fields they are in are roiled in change as the ruling elite pull out the rug from under them. My son has changed his major three times thanks to his industry (in computers) rapidly off shoring. It looks now that he might have a position at his college. Geeze. This is frightful.
Now Bush is pulling the DAMN rug out from under the colleges, trying to end financing help from the feds to education!
morning everyone.
notice how i never preface morning with "good"
Now Bush is pulling the DAMN rug out from under the colleges, trying to end financing help from the feds to education!
because it is in his best interest and the interest of corporate america to keep everybody as stupid as possible.
i live in fear.
The link is in my homepage again. I'll leave it there for awhile.
Res - did you go last night?
QL ... Thanks. Got it and bookmarked it this time.
No, I didn't go. Suddenly, I became uncharacteristically shy. It was unclear as to whether reservations had been made, etc. It was such a big dinner. I didn't want to show up unannounced and there not to be room, etc. If I'd known where post-dinner drinks were, I'd have gone there. Someone (maybe NYMary) told me there was going to be another event on 03-29. Maybe we can both go to that one.
For years I have been warning about the Apocalypic Americans who are often in positions of great power such as under Reagan, we had a barrel full of these people who now are toiling away under Bush.
My CIA brother is an Apocalypic Christian who hates humans, for example.
Of course, his kids hate HIM but that is all immaterial in his strange universe.
Indeed, I think this is probably a rule in these households: as they plot to destroy our planet, they struggle to do simple things like have converstations or eat dinner.
Certainly, how many years ago did my brother chat with me? Seven? Eight?
because it is in his best interest and the interest of corporate america to keep everybody as stupid as possible.
i live in fear.
Morning, and yes, I've lived in fear of this as well. I've told this to several people where I work over the last few years, and generally get looked at like I'm insane. But the dumber the population, the easier it is to control them with lies and bullshit.
And people wonder why I'm so eager to move to Europe or Asia these days.
Morning Moonbats and Freethinkers (as if there is a difference)
i also said in a previous thread that it seems that we scramble over here to fight one atrocity, only to turn around & have the repukes attack something else we have to focus energy on.
there is no end to this madness.
Re: chronic, grinding economic insecurity ...
I have a friend who says that it will take a major depression to break the beaten-wife cycle of our economic existence. Right now, the half of American we can't understand (the one that votes against its own economic interest) is still in the beaten-wife mindset. They've been trained to think that corporations *should* behave this way and that the faux "pesonal responsibility" mantra is the right way to go. The only way they will wake up is if there is a full economic meltdown.
That's a high price to pay for opening everyone's eyes.
Res - I am more afraid of being disappointed of actually meeting some of my favorite posters and then suddenly finding we have nothing to talk about.
Definitely let's do 3/29. I am not particularly shy and can always talk about the weather.
Big Daddy - We went to Vancouver last year to check it out, and decided we would move there. Unfortunately, the Canadians don't want older people who have never paid into their system moving there. And since we were going mainly for the health care, I can't blame them. We are actually in a position where we could retire now, except for the health care. It really sucks.
Bush, a man of business and faith?
Beware False Prof-phets...
My mantra: When Bushcorp. deficits tank this economy, and the faith-based Wal-marters cain't buy chinese trinkets nor put food on their families, THEN we get a political realignment based on pocketbooks, not "values". Happens every 75 years or so, when Rethugs finally eat the seed corn. Same as it ever was.
But we're all passengers on Capt. Bush's fiscal Titanic, and it isn't a ride anyone will enjoy. When comes the deluge, the iceberg, the Asian sell off? Oh, 'bout October, like always. George Herbert Hoover Bush.
QL, of late I've been trying to find work mainly in Asia or Europe, but it's slow going. Only been at it a little over a year, so I'm hoping something will pick up. I've also been looking at companies here who have overseas locations, but now it seems as if a lot of companies don't want to look at you if you need to relocate.
Yeah, it's a grand mess Preznit Jackass has got us in.
for anyone who hasn't seen this yet...here is shrimpy's
secret program
QL ... If we go on 03-29 don't worry about having nothing to talk about. I can easily rant and rave about Bush into the wee hours. That's probably true for most folks in this forum. Unfortunately, the guy is a bottomless pit of material.
Bush, a man of business and faith?
Beware False Prof-phets...
Business: Snake Oil
Faith: Praying the rubes haven't caugh on to his bullshit.
Opps! Sorry George. You been made.
I just think it is kind of amazing, whatever the Bushites propose, I am alwayws on the other side of the issue. And I mean always - no exceptions. That is fricking scary.
Her eyes, congratulations on getting your nephew)?) back from that hellhole. I meant to say that yesterday but was out the door when you mentioned it.
Res and QL: I think it would be difficult meeting all of the various people here. I am, by nature, actually quite shy . . . .
thanks DWD--it means more than anything to have him home.
however, last night's blog post here saddens and frightens me.
my son is coming of age soon.
I was listing some of the Bushboy/Gooper acts that gave aid & comfort to the rich/corporations at the expense of the people in the past 4 years. Please feel free to add to it:
Iraq (Halliburton, Custer-Battles, Munitions makers), Tax cuts for the rich, OSHA rules blocked, Environmental degradation rule changes, Medicare scam, Tort reform fraud, Class Action Law suits blocked, cuts in Medicaid, current proposals for Bankruptcy law changes and Social Security wrecking.
Of course this does not include such things as "The Patriot Acts I & II," and appointees with criminal or dubious backgrounds (Eliot Abrams, AG Gonzalez, Kindasleezy, Negroponte, et. al.)
Lainer
Win him over by being good to his kids. Make him see the reward of love's efforts reciprocated.
As for China and Japan, they each purchase our debt to the point that currency exchange is more a level play field there.
Japan will feed the booming Chinese middle class all its electronics and computers and autos. China will sell smaller retail items and include their great bulk commodity purchases from Brazil and OPEC and even Russia to help Japan with the means of production pricing.
SOMEONE has to make money off the infrastructure development of Interior China with the far edge of Russia/Mongolia. Japan is poised to do best do so.
The asian currency crises of the previous decades are about to happen here. Our economy teeters.
We're not far from the crash.
DWD, Don't worry re shyness. As mentioned above, at a bare minimum we can trash Bush, which always energizes me.
::my son is coming of age soon.
A few months ago I got a similar comment on my Blog from a grandfather worried that there might be a draft again. After all, the Bushies think Iraq and Afghanistan went fine, so why not go for Iran or Syria?
The problem with the coming disaster(s) is this: We depend on a free and independent press to let us know what is happening in the world. We do not have a free and independent press, therefore when the bad news starts coming, we will not even be made aware of it.
I mean that absolutely. If we had a free and fair press, the people would not believe (as many of them do) that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. They would understand that his purpose in going after Social Security is not practical, it is strictly extreme right wing dogma. If people understood the nature of what they are proposing (such as the (helping the) BANK- ruptcy bill. That one really bothers me, btw, they throw credit at people and then when they accept it and get in trouble . . .
I remember a long time ago when my wife and I were really broke. I had lost my job, her hours had been cut and we were borrowing money from my parents for living expenses - the credit card companies kept sending us pre approved credit card for tens of thousands of dollars. We had no way to pay that money back, but they were anxious to give it to us.
John Lombard--this is one of the reasons i live in fear.
Rudy listed all the other reasons...and everything Elaine says frightens me to death because it's true.
China is ravaging the Japanese electronics/car markets. Relentlessly, they undersell the Japanese forcing them to move their factories to China just like we are forced to do the same.
Buffett must be reading my stuff! Heh (I post heavily at various economic forums)
Buffett condemns 'force-feeding' of US wealth to the rest of the world
By Robert Peston (Filed: 06/03/2005)
Warren Buffett, the world's greatest investor, yesterday launched a vitriolic attack on the US government for failing to take effective action to reduce the country's trade deficit.
Warren Buffett: 'Other countries own about $3 trillion of the US'
The chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, which owned $21.4bn (£11bn) of foreign exchange contracts at the end of 2004, also warned that the dollar would continue to fall, even after its recent declines.
In his latest annual letter to shareholders of Berkshire Hathaway, the extraordinary successful conglomerate he founded more than 30 years ago, Buffett complains that the trade deficit is leading to an alarming transfer of US assets into foreign ownership.
"Americans end up owning a reduced portion of our country while non-Americans own a greater part," he writes. "This force-feeding of American wealth to the rest of the world is now proceeding at the rate of $1.8bn daily."
"Consequently, other countries and their citizens now own a net of about $3 trillion of the US. A decade ago their net ownership was negligible."
A cousin has two teenage boys within 1 and 2 years of draft age. My cousin has been a very reliable lefty up until this damned election. The other day he was giving me the whole "Freedom's on the march" thing re the middle east. So I ask him if he's worried about the kids getting sent to Iran, Syria, wherever. Do you know what he said to me? "Oh, I don't worry. They'll definitely be officers."
The self-delusion is like a disease.
The asian currency crises of the previous decades are about to happen here. Our economy teeters.
We're not far from the crash.
Spoke to my financial advisor the other day. Told him I wanted to set up my investments to look at overseas stuff only, and his comment was, "That's what I was going to recommend. There's no action here right now; it's all overseas. Particularly with the weak dollar--" Now, my guy's pretty conservative, so when he's thinking along the same lines as me--you got to wonder.
What is ludicrously tragic is that our so called "free press" blares 24/7 about Michael Jackson, Martha Stewart, BTK killer, et. al. instead of telling the people about the sytematic destruction of their lives that is being carried out by Bushboy & the Goopers in such an obvious and callous manner!!
Bushboy & the Goopers continue to act with depraved indifference to the lives of Americans and our "news" organizations keep the people distracted with "bread and circus."
I'm re-reading "The President of Good and Evil" by Peter Singer. It's one of the fairest anti-Bush books around so grab it if you haven't got it already. (You should see the Bush-Shelf at my house)
http://www.channel4.com/news/mic...ture/
cases.html
"Torture: The Guantanamo Guidebook
Monday 28 February at 11.05pm
According to George Bush, 'torture is never acceptable'. The interrogation techniques used in Guantanamo Bay have been calibrated to fall short of a legal definition of ‘torture’. However, legal experts say they do still constitute torture. The Guantanamo Guidebook reconstructs the regime at the US's Cuban base. For 48 hours, seven volunteers are subjected to interrogation techniques known to be used in the camp, ranging from harassment and abuse to sensory deprivation – with shocking results."
Is there anyone in the UK who can make this available to americans? please?
One bright glimmer of hope. And it is dim indeed. W's attempt to sell his SS devestation plan by making an end run around the national press is not going too well. They can't fill the arenas, and the local press people are actually mentioning that he does not even have a concrete plan yet. It could be that the local people, because they are not dependant upon the WH for their bread and butter may actually be the ones that tell the story. I haven't watched local news in years. I may have to start again.
And this is the real story of our economy: we are selling our souls for toys. We don't have an economy anymore, we are literally running on our collective credit card with the world.
And believe me, the Asians are keeping a careful eye on the acabus that tallies up our bill.
Like a drunk at a bar, we order on drink after another, "Put it on the bill!" we shout and the bartender obliges.
Then we collapse in the gutter and the next day, our head splitting, a Mafia goon shows up with the bill. "Pay up, bud" he says.
Ouch.
damn, wrong month...
John Lombard ... Is that Peter Singer the bioethicists from Princeton?
QL and Her Eyes,
I read the recommended diary over at DKos about the young man who was pledging his grandfather (a Holocaust survivor) that he would not let it happen here. That is a scary thought. But these are scary people.
How long before they strip the Arab Americans of their rights and put them into camps? Then they will go for the homosexuals because they are a "danger" to society. Then it will be the radicals and then it will be you and me. These people have that same bourgoisis mentality that led to Nazi Germany. Damn
John Lombard--this is one of the reasons i live in fear.
her eyes
John Lombard scares you?
OK, I keed, I keed.
Res: Yeah, the same.
The other day he was giving me the whole "Freedom's on the march" thing re the middle east. So I ask him if he's worried about the kids getting sent to Iran, Syria, wherever.
sometimes it is the only way to cope with the inevitable. they have to justify it in their own minds. my nephew's father was the same way. he supported bush and the war, and his son was over there for chrissakes! but you see, if he didn't feel that way, then it was all in vain. and it is all in vain. but that is harder to live with.
About officers and war: WWI, the officers stayed in Paris and partied.
WWII, they were sent to the front, right up there. No more sit at home, sending off orders and then going to a fine dining place and playing with prostitutes.
The Iraq war: identical to WWI, the officers don't even go to the Middle East, they stay in America and send off orders while playing around with Gannon.
John Lombard ... WHat does Singer say re BushBoy?
I know that making comparisons between Bushboy/Goopers and Nazis is considered "extreme" in some quarters, but when you look at the killing of innocents in Iraq, the torture and murder of people at Abu Ghraid, Guantanamo and the shipping of others to nations that permit torture and when you look at the disregard for the Bill of Rights with Jose Padilla and others, the only difference between Bushboy & the Nazis seems not to be about the nature of their acts, but the degree to which they carried it out.
Elaine and I are on the same page. Pay off all your credit cards, if you can. Sock some money away in overseas funds. It is going to get really ugly.
How bad? Me, a staunch pacifist,no longer believes those advocating getting a gun are delusional. When people see their entire lives going in the toilet, and their kids doing without basics, anything can happen.
Singer on Bush, from the book's conclusion:
"In the end, it is impossible to be sure how genuine Bush and those who advise him are about the ethics that he advocates. This book can therefore be seen as an attempt to cover all the possibilities. When Bush speaks about his ethics, he is either sincere or he is insincere. I fhe is insincere, he stands condemned for that alone. I have started with the opposite, more generous assumption: that Bush is sincere, and we should take his ethic seriously, assessing it on its own terms, and asking how well he has done by his own standards. Even if that assumption should be false, the task has been worth undertaking, for we now know that, sincerely held or not, Bush's ethic is woefully inadequate."
Then they will go for the homosexuals because they are a "danger" to society.
Keeps me awake nights. At first I thought with a draft, my younger daughter could get out of it because she is gay. Now I'm thinking, do I really want her self-identifying as such, and winding up on a list that will be used for a re-training camp?
It's not Nazism. But it's also not worthy of the greatest country on earth.
Fun news about the ownership society:
Credit Card Penalties, Fees Bury Debtors
Senate Nears Action On Bankruptcy Curbs
By Kathleen Day and Caroline E. Mayer
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, March 6, 2005; Page A01
For more than two years, special-education teacher Fatemeh Hosseini worked a second job to keep up with the $2,000 in monthly payments she collectively sent to five banks to try to pay $25,000 in credit card debt.
Even though she had not used the cards to buy anything more, her debt had nearly doubled to $49,574 by the time the Sunnyvale, Calif., resident filed for bankruptcy last June. That is because Hosseini's payments sometimes were tardy, triggering late fees ranging from $25 to $50 and doubling interest rates to nearly 30 percent. When the additional costs pushed her balance over her credit limit, the credit card companies added more penalties.
I often think of how Hitler used the "Reichstag Fire," and how Bushboy has used, "9/11."
Now I know the Nazis set the fire so they could usurp power more easily and Osama caused 9/11, but has the exploitive behavior about each even been that different?
I fear not.
When my daughter broke up with her reckless fiance, she owed $2000 on credit cards. Once she moved here and got a job, she found her debt swelled to $2300 in just a few months.
So I helped her pay it all off.
Those cards are TOXIC.
I'm doing an essay for political science at the moment. "Dir Wille Zur Macht: The Political Philosophy of George W. Bush".
It kind of writes itself.
These same folks who buy into everything GOP bought into the Roth IRA scam wherein they paid Federal income tax on their retirement savings for the promise that no income tax would be due upon withdrawal. Imagine their surprise when Greesnspan and Bush change the US Federal tax system to a national sales tax or a VAT - tada! Taxed again. And these folks are the "tax cutters"...
Move your money offshore, folks - dollar-denominated assets are not going to be your friends for much longer...
John Lombard: translation, please.
QL, I know this. They would couch in language that the "rubes" could understand: spreaders of disease, morally deficient, predators; the effect would be the same.
My dream - if you can call it that - is that some of these heavy hitters like Soros, Buffet, and others would somehow buy one of the cable networks and instill a "truth" ethic. I do not need someone from the left giving me propaganda ala Fox. I will settle for the truth. There are certainly people available who would jump at the chance to speak truth to power. Start with Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and move from there.
I also think that someone (Maybe me?) should try to set up a radio news service based upon truth. There are not that many independent stations left, but there are some. Hell, Air America is still using wire service copy for their news- in spite of the fact that the wire services are among the worst.
From the WPTwo years ago regulators adopted a policy that will require credit card companies to set monthly minimum payments high enough to cover penalties and interest and lower some of the customer's original debt, known as principal, so that if a consumer makes no new charges and makes monthly minimum payments, his or her balance will begin to decline.
Banks agreed to the new rules after, in the words of one top federal regulator, "some arm-twisting." But bank executives persuaded regulators to allow the higher minimum payments to be phased in over several years, through 2006, arguing that many customers are so much in debt that even slight increases too soon could push many into financial disCredit card companies declined to comment on specific cases or customers for this article, but banking industry officials, speaking generally, said there is a good reason for the fees they charge.
"It's to encourage people to pay their bills the way they said they would in their contract, to encourage good financial management," said Nessa Feddis, senior federal counsel for the American Bankers Association. "There has to be some onus on the cardholder, some responsibility to manage their finances."
It's not Nazism. But it's also not worthy of the greatest country on earth.
It's fascism of the highest order. Mussolini was the guy who loved the pretty solder outfits, who liked to strut around with his chin up and his chest out like he was the new Caesar.
So maybe instead of comparing Bush to Hitler, we should just start calling him Il Douche!
Talk about credit cards.
I have had one of several cards for seven years. I always paid the monthly balance in full to avoid penalties and finance fees.
Recently I inadvertently sent in $3 less than the bill actually required.
The next month, I had a $20 late fee and $6.50 finance charge!!!
I told them they could shove the card if they didn't remove the charges and since my record was good and I spent on lot on the card each month they agreed. But it still sucks!
Dir Wille Zur Macht is The Will To Power. It's from Neitzche.
Fascism is the pure will to power. In that sense, Bush is a Fascist -- politics trumps ideology every time.
But Republicans aren't really Fascists because they don't use violence the same way genuine Fascists would. Orcinus calls it "Pseudo-Fascism".
Sometimes the rhetoric of people like Limbaugh gets close to Nazi rhetoric. For example, Limbaugh once said that he wanted to keep two liberals in every University so people could be reminded of just what these things were. Hitler, for his part, wanted to build a Jewish museum so people would never forget what the Jews were.
Big Daddy, I already do call him Il Douche (among other less nice names)
John Lombard ... When they write the history books, Limbaugh will be the Father Coughlin of his day.
In other words, the credit cards, by demanding a pound of flesh and kneecapping people, do it for their own good.
Father Coughlin! Speaking of that...
...I read "It Can't Happen Here" this week. Scary stuff. The passage about "Freedom Cabbage" freaked me out.
John Lombard ... I never read that. I have heard of it, though. Who wrote it?
Sinclair Lewis
E-texts are on the Internet
Elaine, but my son - who is twenty and his third year of college - gets credit cards in the mail nearly every day. He has no way to pay these back . . . so they are going to make HIM play by the rules while the rules do not apply to them (In the sense of offering credit to credit unworthy people) I see. Reasonable position (Not)
John Lombard...Sinclair Lewis?
But Republicans aren't really Fascists because they don't use violence the same way genuine Fascists would. Orcinus calls it "Pseudo-Fascism".
They haven't gotten to the violence part yet, but it's getting there. They're already finding enemies to keep people afraid. It's only a matter of time before the roundups start.
I already do call him Il Douche (among other less nice names)
People where I work have learned long ago to stop asking me about Bush, since I'd usually start with saying something like, "What do you want to know about that fucking scumbag?"
[i]People where I work have learned long ago to stop asking me about Bush, since I'd usually start with saying something like, "What do you want to know about that fucking scumbag?"[/i]
Hah! I have the same problem.
"Arrgh, I can't believe the EPA folded its Ombudsman into the office of Inspector-General!"
From the WP article:
Penalty interest rates usually are about 30 percent, with some as high as 40 percent, while late fees now often are $39 a month, and over-limit fees, about $35, McKinley said. "If you drag that out for a year, it could be very damaging," he said. "Late and over-limit fees alone can easily rack up $900 in fees, and a 30 percent interest rate on a $3,000 balance can add another $1,000, so you could go from $2,000 to $5,000 in just one year if you fail to make payments."
According to R.K. Hammer Investment Bankers, a California credit card consulting firm, banks collected $14.8 billion in penalty fees last year, or 10.9 percent of revenue, up from $10.7 billion, or 9 percent of revenue, in 2002, the first year the firm began to track penalty fees.
The way the fees are now imposed, "people would be better off if they stopped paying" once they get in over their heads, said T. Bentley Leonard, a North Carolina bankruptcy attorney . Once you stop paying, creditors write off the debt and sell it to a debt collector. "They may harass you, but your balance doesn't keep rising. That's the irony."
Friedman's column today, NYT, brings up a good point re: asking EU not to sell arms to China.
The EU combined would equal the numbers of soldiers in the US, but they don't have equipment and aren't all trained to fight.
That leaves us holding the bag for whatever needs military action. Need business? Start a war...
The sad fact. War is our business.
People where I work have learned long ago to stop asking me about Bush, since I'd usually start with saying something like, "What do you want to know about that fucking scumbag?"
Same here. And they always laugh at my language, like somehow a 54 year old lady doesn't know some choice cuss words.
Honestly, per an earlier post, I do not even talk to Republicans anymore. What is the point? They are either too ignorant for words or evil beyond measure: either way, they do not need my interaction.
First off, there is a relatively free press, outside of the US.
Start off with the Asia Times, They are more a coalition of journalists and writers than a company paper.
www.atimes.com
Andre Gundar Frank (should be known by development economists) has a wonderful series called the Rising Hegemon detailing manipulation of the US dollar to drive down debt and to stick other countries with our looming debt problems.
My son's roommate at Tufts (yes he is draft age) is Japanese/Peruvian from a well-connected famiy.
Japan is extremely concerned about the current administration and its destruction of the world economy.
They are moving towards China since they increasingly view our economy as out of control.
They would rather align with a rising power than with an economy that has put short-term gain ahead of long-term bankruptcy.
South Korea is alredy shopping the US dollar for other currencies. China sticks to the dollar, since their currency/economy is not well defined...yet. They will back off the dollr in due course.
China also holds the US dollar for strategic reasons. As they own a larger and larger stake in the US dollar, they gain power.
What's to keep them from demanding Taiwan. We must give in or they debase our dollar to a point where we suffer irrecoverable damage
We (the US) will put our short-tem interests ahead of Taiwan.
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And Afghanistan/Iraq. Afghanistan has never really been a country. It has been land left over..land that other countries did not feel like fighting for.
Its is a stunning countryside with fiercely independent people. But aside from livestock and opium, there is not too much else.
Except a pipeline route for oil rich central Asia.
What does control of Afghanistan mean. Nothing except a pipeline.
Iraq...an enfeebled dictatorship that we will never control. Short-term gains for the Bushites. The Europeans see through this and stay away from the chaos...exit Italy?
So we have spent much of our future on nothing of substnce - over the long-term.
Those of you who remember Iran in the 70s realize they were on their way to becoming a major power. We don't really hear much about them
but do not underestimate them.
They are probably as strong as India or Pakistan. Ask any of your friends who were in the Peace Corps in Iran in the 70s,what strengths Iran held.
Syria is the spiritual center of the Islamic Brotherhood (and Wahabism).
The only reason to get them out of Lebanon is to allow us to get in bed with the Maronite Christians.
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Re kids and the draft. I am shocked by the apathy at most schools.
At Tufts, with its Fletcher School powerhouse, there is virtually no outrage on what's going on.
I've given up on Harvard and the rest of Boston seems to be sound asleep.
Boston is/was a center of awareness in the late 60s. Of course, it took a precipatating event such as the draft to get students involved.
We
Can you believe that there are *gay* Republicans (and that I know one of them)? I saw him the other night. He was defending Bush and making fun of me for hating him. After a while, it got a bit nasty and I said, "You know, when they start talking about a 'quarantine' for you guys, I'll fight for you." What a dope.
We went to Vancouver last year to check it out, and decided we would move there. Unfortunately, the Canadians don't want older people who have never paid into their system moving there. And since we were going mainly for the health care, I can't blame them. We are actually in a position where we could retire now, except for the health care. It really sucks.
As a friend of mine emailed me this week, we are too old to be attractive candidates for immigration, so we'll just have to stay here and fight!
I see I'm hours too late to weigh in on last nights Hemingway discussion, but whoever thinks he's just some "macho" writer who didn't have strong women characters in his books, is dead wrong. He had strong women in his life too, i.e., Martha Gellhorn.
Honestly, per an earlier post, I do not even talk to Republicans anymore. What is the point? They are either too ignorant for words or evil beyond measure: either way, they do not need my interaction.
I'm finding it impossible to change the minds of the terminally ignorant any longer. None of these people want to discuss any of the issues: it's just Rush's and Sean's talking points and little more. Stupidity so thick you can cut it with a knife.
:::poof::::
I've made it home from work.
About the draft: there is "apathy" because all the adults are screaming in unison, "there will be no draft so don't worry just wave your magnet."
Cheap patriotism is easy.
The people dying are NOT college students.
I see we voted to spend additional $3 mil on trying to influence institutions inside Iran. This in addition to the $17.5 mil we already spend on disinformation there, our stupid "Radio America" and other Persian language programs.
But . . .
Michael Jackson
Bobby Blake
Rader
Martha Stewart
Elections in Iraq
Freedom is on the march
Baseball
DWD, did I see on last night's music thread, you were looking for some Richie Havens?
Now I'm thinking, do I really want her self-identifying as such, and winding up on a list that will be used for a re-training camp?
QL in NY
I can't hide in the closet because I've been out and outspoken locally for years now and not liked by most because of it. I'll be top on the list they might already have. They opened a local office of the Alliance Defense Fund because of my writing for gay rights. Christians fundamentalists have recently taken to calling we gays, "reprobate." I've seen a couple of 'letters to the editor' in my local newspaper with that word. They do that sneakily to communicate in code among each other and get past the editors who don't know what that word means. For those who don't know, 'reprobate' means biblically, "already damned." Since we're 'already damned', why not just go ahead incinerate us and send us to hell?
Well, remember, there are gays out there whose sexual preferences don't define who they are. You can be gay and also believe in... uh... whatever it is Republicans believe it.
The sad fact. War is our business.
And has been since the founding of the empire.
Well, remember, there are gays out there whose sexual preferences don't define who they are. You can be gay and also believe in... uh... whatever it is Republicans believe it.
John Lombard
It's not a "preference." It's an "orientation." Words are important and 'preference' got in there to suggest it's a choice and it's not. Also, any gay supporting their own discrimination even as humiliating as putting it in the Constitution, well, I just don't know. I would be unnerved being in the same room with them because they must obviously be bat-shit crazy.
Also, it's been you heteros who relentlessly....but you know what, fuck you.
Oh, and I'm living breathing proof your Christianity is crap and you wont have an eternal life and will only be worm dirt in the end for you.
re: Buffet, he's one of the few capitalists left with an understanding of the entire system , not just a narrow view of short-term, me-first, profit. Because of that, he's a Democrat. One of the few left who knows that checks on capitalism preserve the gravy train.
re: fascism, the relatives of a liberal federal court judge were assasinated last week. Right-wing vigilantes are being encouraged by the likes of Coulter, enabled by TV networks and free face time, and stony silence from the White House. It will spread if they can get away with it. And don't count on the cops to help, either.
George Carlin on Who controls America
Not safe for work.
"The War Room" is on sundance right now!
Take a peak, this is how we win Dems.Take the fight to them!!
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