I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Jesus. 40. They'll be calling up my WWII vet dad pretty soon. Bastards.
Don't worry 'bout a thing, Jonah. I'll look out for the missus.
Break out the White Feathers!
Why do I feel like we are a defeated country. When do they lower the inlistment age down to 15 and provide a free copy of America's Army at sign up?
Yeap, I just sent the story to my 35 year old Rush/Fox/Hannity/O'Lielly nephew that now it is time for him to enlist, too.
I am confident if Jonah enlist a deluge of all of those single, white, 18-25 year old males who love W. so much will enlist, too.
I meant enlistment.
Out of excuses, Jonah. Oh wait, your family cannot afford your loss of pay. But surely your patriotic employers will continue to pay you like Sears is continuing to pay that fella with 11+ kids.
White Feathers™
He can at least use them to tickle Mommy's bunghole if Liddy's busy.
Not just Jonah, but Beinart and every other war monger under the age of 40
the security and stability needs here in the Islamic Republic Of Iraq are (or should be) of paramount concern for all rightthinking freedom and democracy lovers.
Ibrahim and I both look forward to meeting this Jonah Goldberg, and all of his ilk, as they help us construct a world where Sharia Spirit can keep on spreading.
and now, let the beatings begin.
Crap. I turned 40 recently, and thought I was safe.
I guess I'll just have to claim to be a gay linguist. (Oh, wait...)
I'll be forty in seven months. I volunteer to give up my slot in the US Armed Forces for Jonah, who is gung-ho to go.
how many 40 year olds to they imagine will sign up? i'm 40. didn't join when i was young and i'm sure as hell not going to join now.
And I'll look out for your kids while you're gone. They will be in good hands with me. After all, I'm a professional white Christian.
Godspeed Jonah! Thank you for protecting the Father...er...Homeland from the menacing godless brown people. You have the gratitude of our proud nation. Booya!!!
Only thing Jonah's pasty ass would be good for is as a decoy, turn him loose in Baghdad with a sandwich board.
You liberal numskulls will do anything to put America in a bad light, won't you?
Some of us have essential jobs and essential roles in keeping up morale and the war effort on the Home Front. We are supporters of USA and Bush and we are needed here. After all, the enemy is not ust islamic. Often, they are leftists, liberal, Democratic. They are WITH the terrorists since they hate our country. You cannot argue that.
But Jonah is kinda tubby, right? Wouldn't they have to do something about his gut?
Amen, mk. This forum is full of loosers who would support any terror or bloodshed just to make Bush look bad. Sad.
So, morallaw, how old are YOU?
Oh goddamn - 40? This is really ridiculous.
They cannot continue to have all of these military Big Adventures without a draft. Who are they kidding?
Anti Liberal Agitator,
Dude, that is one of the funniest websites I've looked at in a while. Are you some kind of lawyer? If so, the southern states are even more retarded than I previously believed.
Why do you not support your country, liberal scum?
Send a white feather to Jonah!
White House hooker.
The scandal-plagued Bush administration.
Right wing zealots.
EkCenTriK,
Interesting that they are willing to raise the enlistment age isn't it?
Why do I heard the sound of a draft on the wind?
Oh...and the costs of just keeping the military mended just to fight this rag-tag bunch of rag-heads? Odd that we have the strongest military on the face of the earth , but we're dogged down in dirt hovels.
Yeah..it's Vietnam all over again.
regards
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Go for it Jonah, no way that those insurgents can be as scary as Janeane Garofalo.
They're also lowering the fitness standards to allow comatose patients to serve. The 101st fighting vegetables.
And ALA there...of course he will countenance the worst excesses of Bush et al (100,000 Iraqis dead, 1500 US soldiers, Abu Ghraib, winking at Tom Delay) so he can keep pretending W is some kind of fucking hero.
Whatever he's smoking, keep me the fuck away from it. I want my brain cells for a few more years.
I hope he takes all these delusional, chicken shit, un-American trolls, with him.
Olaf - how many 40 year olds to they think will sign up?
Really. Most 40 year olds have gotten their lives settled. They have families and jobs that they've likely had for years now - why would any of them give those things up? I can envision someone who is still going nowhere at 40 joining - but man, that's going to be a feckless bunch of soldiers.
For probably the first time in my married life, I am glad that my husband has terrible vsion (it's so bad he's not even eligable for Lasik). Now that he's (again) of draft age, his vision is so crappy I'm not too worried that he'd get shipped anywhere.
Why is it all the most celebrated rightwing war-lovers are such demonstrable cowards?
I mean the list of chickenhawks runs from the war-time deserter, Bushboy, to Cheneychins, to Flush Limbo, to the thug DeeeeLay, to Hastert and on and on.
Hypocrisy runs deep and is endemic in rightwing circles.
The 101st fighting vegetables.
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I really shouldn't laugh. 
This forum is full of loosers
Well, it certainly attracts some losers who can't spell.
Anti Liberal Agitator, after reading your website I realize you and all Republicans are too stupid to breathe. I recognize the error of believing anything Bush says. US out of Iraq, NOOOOOOW (as Giblets would say).
Senate session starting up on C-span 2 for Terri Shiavo. Should be quite the circus.
Oh yeah....
I'll bet Cheny will be on the committee that decides who can and cannot be drafted. After all, he has first hand knowledge how people can play the system to their persoanl advantage.
regards
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If I sign up inside Eyerack, isn't my enlistment bonus tax-free? Would someone roll me over there, please?
Liberals are all chicken, They would surrender to the French, the UN, or the Slims before standing up for our country and Our President. Please leave the USA to those of us who love her.
Maybe some of these independently wealthy , new economy computer geeks can join up.
I know it's sometimes difficult to separate the real brownshirts from the satirical, but come on, guys...!
Just imagine all the hernias, chest pains and bad backs the V.A. will need to gear up for.
"Liberals are all chicken"
So, by that comment, I assume you're posting from Iraq?
The Slims? Are they a band?
This forum is full of loosers
Well, it certainly attracts some losers who can't spell.
Oh, was *that* what he meant? I was thinking "What's wrong with that? The looser the better!"
If ALA met a Frenchman with a loaf of bread and a bottle of wine, he'd pee his pants.
Probably be afraid he'd have his R's rolled to death.
who the fuck are the slims?
I'd be in Iraq if I was younger, but I served in the Nam unlike any of you, and I didn't come back bad mouthing the USA. I love the USA. YOu don't. Fuck you.
Anti-Liberal Agitator
Fuck you, you terrorist lover, you don't give a rat's ass about our country.
What we need to do is start the draft but make the age 65 & higher. That will reduce the number of Social Security recipients and make Bush's privatization plan economically feasible.
Jonah Goldberg looks like a 14 year old fat kid.
ALA, the day I let the likes of YOU tell me what I do and don't love, it'll be a cold day in hell.
You are so deluded. YOu will be dhimmis when they take over without fireing a shot. You liberals want to kill babies but not defend the USA. You are so gay.
so did bob hope anti, so did bob hope. now be a nice little wanna-be and stop telling stories.
-J.T.
Anti-Liberal Agitator- Pleasse don't try to talk while Liddy Dole is sitting on your face. You attempts to do so are agitating enough.
who the fuck are the slims?
Aren't they those little people who live in your computer? The ones with the green jewel things over their heads?
Just because they raised the enlistment age to 40, that doesn't necessarily mean that if they re-institute the draft the age ceiling for draftees will be 40, does it?
Love them Repug family values - now destroying families of all ages. If the military doesn't break you up, the bankruptcy statute will.
And god help you if your spouse slips into an irreversible coma...
Goopers are always trying to save the brain-dead like Terry Shiavo or the "unborn" regardless of the woman's who's carrying the fetus wants.
But when it comes to living people, it's they have no hesitation unleashing "shock and awe" and killing tens of thousands of innocent women and children or doing little or nothing while 50,000 people/day die of starvation or for basic sanitation.
Hypocrisy is the rightwing disease and when combined with their callous sanctimoniousness, it stifles life on earth.
Who will be the next fucking idiot to follow in Micahel Kelly's dumbshit footsteps?
Support the troops. Get them the fuck out of Iraq.
i still can't figure out who the slims are a-l-a. give me a hint.
Please leave the USA to those of us who love her.
In a manly, heterosexual way, of course.
Anti Liberal Agitator, now I understand your weird raving. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder fucked up your mind, so that you now are a rabid Roy Moore supporter. Well, help is on the way, if you get down to your local VA before Bush cuts all veteran's benefits.
Jonah will wash out in the fatbody platoon by failing to do one fucking pushup.
OT, but a lot of people have expressed sympathy for the parents of Terri Schiavo. Well, fuck that noise:
"My daughter is in the building behind me, starving to death," Mary Schindler said. "We laugh together, we cry together, we smile together, we talk together. She is my life."
Lady, you are a sick, delusional basket case. Get some fucking help.
You are so gay.
Am I suppose to take that as an insult?
Liberals, please stop denigrating our troops or our president. This is treason. You will be punished and go to jail, or worse. A new day is dawning and you will not be able to get away with such poisonous crap in the future.
who the fuck are the slims?
Aren't they those little people who live in your computer? The ones with the green jewel things over their heads?
No, they're actually guys who make videos starring Christopher Walken dancing in hotel lobbies. There's tons of those guys.
A soldier gets to spend a lot of time outdoors. It's kind of like living in Yellowstone.
Anti-liberal Agitator-
Being General Westy's catamite does not count as a "tour of Vietnam."
shouldn't we have a neocon brigade to be right out front leading every charge?
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40....
Interesting.....
Most of the pompous asses I've run into that are pro-bush, pro-war, anti-liberal are in that 35 to 45 year age bracket. Never been in the military, but are loud and obnoxious boosters all because they "know" they'll never be asked to back up their patriotism...until now!
I wonder how many will have "legit" excuses for not signing up. I'll wager they will be toning down their rhetoric now that they may be subject to serving the country they are so vainly proud of.
regards
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"Who will be the next fucking idiot to follow in Michael Kelly's dumbshit footsteps?"--The Fool
Well Fool, now they've learned their lesson. Since Kelly, they're smart enough to let the brown people and the poor white trash die for them. Seems they're "too important on the home front" to put their own pasty white asses anywhere near an IED.
I'd be in Iraq if I was younger, but I served in the Nam unlike any of you,
Fuck You, you lying piece of shit
fuck you, anti-liberal agitator.
Please leave the USA to those of us who love her.
Hey, ya big coward. Thanks for saying please. Now, are ya gonna do something to make everyone who disagrees with you leave the country? No? You haven't the courage of your convictions, son.
You are so gay.
Yes, I am. Thanks for noticing.
Anti-Liberal Agitator
Eat shit and die, you delusional fuckwad, go crawl back into your swamp. You and your kind are a cancer on our great country.
Christians: Wage battle
in academia!
Posted: January 29, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
It's open-season persecution on secular university students who embrace Christianity – at least that's the picture portrayed in a recent Christian Science Monitor article. The report followed the story of a Christian graduate student who enrolled in a secular West Coast school and faced the scorn of anti-Christian professors. Regularly, we hear these types of stories: traditional ideas facing the condescension and mockery of atheistic and agnostic elitism that possesses many secular schools.
For too long have we hidden behind the comforts of Christian subculture, with our Christian music, Christian book publishing, Christian universities and other Christian safe havens. While those may be good for a time to build each other up, it's also true that never facing up to the realities of depraved humanity and the marketplace of secular ideas leaves us in a wholly ignorant state. More than that, it leaves us in a place where we only cater to ourselves, where we're not living out the Gospel in godless places.
If we refuse to attend secular universities for fear of the ideas of paganism and atheism, then we fail to regard the Gospel as having any power at all. And, if we continue this downward spiral of hiding out in our own subculture, then we reinforce the battle lines in this culture war, failing to reach out with the same love that was given to us when we were enemies of God.
In Kyle Williams' book, "Seen and Heard," America's youngest national columnist takes on the establishment, offering clear evidence that a leftist agenda is at work in our nation. His lively, energetic analysis of current events is both informative and entertaining and will leave readers with a better understanding of the daily attacks against traditional family values. Order your copy now in ShopNetDaily.
Kyle Williams is 15 years old and lives in a rural community in America's heartland. In addition to his weekly weekend column on WorldNetDaily, Kyle also has a daily blog at OklahomaConservative.com
Military service should be mandatory for all privledged kids in America. These people simply shouldn't be accepted unless they've seen some hard knocks.
Just a gentle reminder, Dave - people like that are beyond help.
Hypocrisy is the rightwing disease and when combined with their callous sanctimoniousness, it stifles life on earth.
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You're right, of course. What's so weird is that this seems to be their aim. Except for Hallmark andtrade; -picture quality neighborhoods of white families. The wingers see no contradictions in this attitude. It's all about surface for them.
On account of they're insane.
Ba'al demands his sacrifice! Such a pleasing aroma.
Ba'al demands all of Oklahoma.
In Kyle Williams' book, "Seen and Heard," America's youngest national columnist takes on the establishment, offering clear evidence that a leftist agenda is at work in our nation. His lively, energetic analysis of current events is both informative and entertaining and will leave readers with a better understanding of the daily attacks against traditional family values. Order your copy now in ShopNetDaily.
Kyle Williams is 15 years old and lives in a rural community in America's heartland. In addition to his weekly weekend column on WorldNetDaily, Kyle also has a daily blog at OklahomaConservative.com
Moad-Dib
The scary part is not that a draft is in the offing, but that they will do anything to avoid a draft. Their all volunteer army is not what they expect it to be since recruitment is diminished. When you start bringing in the older crowd, on the face it tells me that we no longer have the army of Clinton and have one that is becoming rag tag. Think about the countries that when things began to go downhill, did this sort of thing. Yep a draft is highly likely, but not on the basis of Viet Nam, it is one in which we are running on vapors. A draft would have made sense 3 years ago, integrating the new troops with the old on a sane basis. Now they are facing a draft with a war laden with stigma, highly questionable on its need and with all the other factors racing in. A 40 years is going to think about his family, his home, his career, his savings and retirement. Unless he is a recent member of the service, he is no longer of military caliber and his input questionable. It would be one thing if we all, and I mean we all, thought the hun was at the door banging on it, but time has gone by and it is not true, we know its not. The pro-war troll bangers here and in the general public are no different, they know it is bogus, that these bastards have screwed everything into the ground. If they really did believe it, they would have been begging for a doorway into the military to do their duty ages. Instead, like us, they hang out on blogs, go to work everyday and mow the lawn on the weekends.
dave - Lady, you are a sick, delusional basket case. Get some fucking help.
Goddamn, that poor woman has been pushed over the edge by the fucking nut jobs on the Religious Right.
They seem to have that affect on a lot of woman.
Ba'al--
Thanks a fucking lot. If we were to offer that kind of stuff to YOU, the aroma would NOT be pleasing.
Anti-Liberal Agitator sez,...
"Liberals, please stop denigrating our troops or our president. This is treason. You will be punished and go to jail, or worse. A new day is dawning and you will not be able to get away with such poisonous crap in the future."
Your fearless leader admires Teddy Roosevelt. here's one of teddy's quotes:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Sit on it, mate, then shove off!
regards
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Before I go back and read all the comments, two thoughts:
1. Wasn't it just a month ago, that the media was going with stories about how, recruitment was right on track? No need to worry about the all-volunteer Army?
This certainly gives the lie to that.
2. With the fuedalistic economic policy of this administration, there are certainly going to be more people for whom the Armed forces will be attractive.
Isn't everything going according to plan quite nicely?
i never pay any attention to 15 year old boys.
I'll wager they will be toning down their rhetoric now that they may be subject to serving the country they are so vainly proud of.
Pfft. They won't tone down their rhetoric, they'll just crank up their excuses.
Hey, did anyone else go to an anti-war protest today?
We had about 300 people in the snow in Halifax. Marched from the commons, through downtown and to the American consulate. Speaches and such, stopped en route to hurl insults at a weapons manufacturer's office. Light snow and a biting wind, but everyone was in good spirits.
What else happened out there?
Sorry for the typoes, didn't realize the rant got that long either.
I'm a Bushboy lover and a real American
I don't pay taxes and avoid military duty however I can
I love the USA
Or so I say
As I wave "old glory" and repeat Gooper propaganda deadpan!
It's okay, he's still too old to be drafted. But say, having just been trained, did Jonah remember to register? Can't go back and do it if you didn't do it....
And lord, I know this is tiresome, but whiz, this is like the third or fourth major article covering issues of manpower weaknesses and the need to recruit, each one nosing a little bit closer to the 'd' word.... You know, once something actually creeps into the public discourse it becomes fair game, to hunt down or trap...
(all embarrassed and blushing)
Hruughhmph, I have to go now..
I thought the American military had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, so any and all homosexuals who want to help us build a better, more democratic form of Sharia, c'mon over. our security and stability needs are simply humongous.
why do I get the feeling anti-liberal agitator is typing with one hand?
Goopers are always trying to save the brain-dead like Terry Shiavo
Being brain-dead, she's prime for recruitment into the Republican Party.
Eben, right the fuck on!
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What idiot between 35 and 40 would join at this point? I guess we will find out.
Eben---FWIW, I saw "Westray" on Sundance Channel today. Talk about depressing...
The aristocracy will have their way in ANY country, if we just shut up and take it...
Eli,
"They won't tone down their rhetoric, they'll just crank up their excuses."
Yeah, but that's the beautiful part...I can always stick them on their past comments. It's nice when the table starts to turn in your favor.
regards
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Comeon liar: anti-liberal agitator
When, Where, What MOS
"A new day is dawning"
Used to be you could say the sun would always come up in the morning. But with these punks, they will likely mess that up too.
Too much daylight is hazardous to the veracity of the average Republican politician and/or neo-con.
I paid Jim Guckert $250 to ream me up the ass, and he didn't even give me a reacharound. I told him I just got back from Veet Nam and he slapped me in the face with his dick.
I keep asking, but the trolls just won't answer. What are they afraid of?
I'll try again.
Is Karl Rove gay?
Has he had sex with Jeff Gannon, and did they have sex in the White House?
Concensus is Mehlman is gay. Doesn't that give the party of God and patriots a rather feminine "mystique?"
What about McClellan's cruising gay bars? What's that about? He's your spokes... "person." How do you feel about having a pansey front for your party?
Of the three, who do you think plays the man and who do you think plays the woman, or do you think they swap sides?
These are serious issues. How do you think Putin views W knowing that his senior staff prefer buggery to traditional moral values? And isn't that a reflection on you and the Republican Party?
You really need to face these issues before commenting on ours? It makes you appear effeminate when you don't.
In Kyle Williams' book, "Seen and Heard," America's youngest national columnist takes on the establishment, offering clear evidence that a leftist agenda is at work in our nation.
Gosh, that leftest agenda is working so well they've taken over the presidency, both houses of congress and the surpreme court. Oh, wait a minute, that's the Republicans...
That 15-year-old needs to get laid, and quick. Any Eschatonians up to the task? Talk about your mercy fuck.
I guess we really know who hates America now... it's Jim Guckert, who wouldn't give a reacharound to a veteran.
So have OxycontinBoy, O'Falafel, and Hannity been exhorting all of their viewers/listeners to go enroll? (Of course not, they don't want to lose their loyal base.) We should start calling in and asking why they have not been encouraging their fans to fight for freedom and apple pie (you know, that stuff Atrios hates).
i guess a-l-a was just a drive by or a parody. i still wish i knew who the slims were though.
Goddamn, that poor woman has been pushed over the edge by the fucking nut jobs on the Religious Right.
They seem to have that affect on a lot of woman.
Saw some report (on these threads?) that the parents had testified (years ago, now) that they would remove Terri's gangrenous limbs if it came to that (from bedsores; tells you the quality of care she's received that she doesn't have any today), even authorize open heart surgery, to keep her alive.
Sad, sad, that they are so delusional. Sad, sad, that so many people are willing to support them in their insanity (what else can we call it?). Actually, the latter are simply exploiting this family. As Athenae said on First Draft, this isn't about the protestors, or Tom DeLay, or Frist.
It's about a human body with no brain, being kept alive by autonomic responses and a feeding tube. The lack of water alone may end her existence before Congress can act (if only the Dems are wise enough to, say, simply stay away until after Easter).
Anti-Liberal Agitator is at the most 13 years old. He knows nothing about Nam.
Eben--EWWW.....
I'm not a woman or a gay man, and I STILL got a shiver over that one...
That is fucked UP. GWPDA, aren't you glad you got on the Civil Service board?
I smell a draft. The Times reported that over 6,000 have gone AWOL or just flat refused to show up for duty last year. A number of them fled to Canada with the help of Viet Nam vets.
I think Kyle Williams needs a good Guckerting (reacharound optional).
Anti,
do you have any idea how many non-veteran, john wayne wanna-be's, go around screaming "traitors!" and "treason!" all day long?
file some charges limp dick. then i'll sue your ass and i'll win.
-J.T.
So I take it Kyle Williams is planning on attending one of those godless (or, worse, "pagan" -- cause there sure are a lot of multitheistic profs out there) (no offense, Oh Ba'al, you just haven't made many inroads yet, but I'm sure that's bound to change) universities?
Look for him to become Lieutenant Asshole Numero Uno in the Horowitz whining brigade ...
I never went down my mother, at least not since I impregnated her with that ultra-conservative 15 year old columnist...
Would you all stop making some of the suggestions about what Kyle needs. If this is a kid, it is pretty sleazy folks. The question should really be who is putting him up to this sort of thing.
jonah of course, will have other priorities.
just like any good upwardly mobile repunker would.
john wayne stayed out of world war 2. he had a bad knee. better than an anal cyst, though.
i guess a-l-a was just a drive by or a parody.
Definitely a parody, and sometimes pretty funny. You say you want proof? OK, for both, from the previous thread:
"Stop whining and work harder and you will be as powerful as I am." - ALA
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By the way, I think they need to try this in Washington D.C. as well.
"Nature and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that a NASA-funded "robotic astrobiologist" named Zoë (a successor to the Hyperion rover) has found life in Chile's Atacama desert."
JohnT--I saw a guard at a parking garage reading "Treachery" a couple days ago, and it was all I could do to not say "How much money did you waste on that pile of horseshit?"
Atrios beat to to the punch this morning on the Bobo's world, but now I've found this:
Child molesters still serving as priests
(Yuba City is California's Central Valley, often praised as the "midwest" of California.)
Yuba County District Attorney Pat McGrath said he will seek the extradition of a priest convicted of sexually molesting a minor in 1989, now that the Rev. Jose Luis Urbina has been discovered serving as a priest in Mexico.
Urbina fled the country after his 1989 conviction in a Yuba County court and later served for about a decade at his hometown parish in Navojoa, Mexico, the Dallas Morning News reported in its ongoing series on accused Roman Catholic priests who are now working in other countries...
In 2003, a then-33-year-old Yuba City man sued Urbina and the Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento, alleging that Urbina molested him from 1980 to 1986, when he turned 17. The suit is pending in Sacramento County Superior Court.
In one instance, Urbina allegedly pointed a gun at the boy before molesting him...
The newspaper also reported that another former Sacramento diocesan priest under investigation for child molestation is working in a remote region in southern Mexico. The Rev. Garardo Beltran disappeared in 1991 after Sacramento police began investigating allegations that he molested two young girls.
The two priests have been wanted by local authorities for more than a decade.
Only the most desperate of persons would ever enlist in the military now. How could they possibly throw their lives awway knowing they will probably apply for a non-combat position because the recruiter said they have plenty of such openings available only to find out that the non-combat position was contracted out to Haliburton which in turn sub-contracted out to some Kuwaiti firm which hired a bunch of Cambodians and Sudanese. Since they've already stated that people in non-combat positions are being transfered to combat roles, nobody is safe.
There is no way anyone would want to join the military today unless he were stupid as a rock or gets a hard-on just thinking about all the sand niggers he was going to kill.
"Gotta git dem camal jockies back fer nine'leven!!"
MYOB'
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I wonder how old Charles Johnson is.
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari,
Well, knowing that Jonah is obsessed with both "Culture" and "War," I'd be very happy hear of the fine work he'll be doing in Iraq. Keep us posted, won't you?
Liberals are all chicken, They would surrender to the French, the UN, or the Slims before standing up for our country and Our President. Please leave the USA to those of us who love her.
Anti-Liberal Agitator | Email | Homepage 03.19.05 - 5:23 pm |
I am a liberal and former Marine who enlisted at age 17, five days out of high school, in 1970.
My father, a liberal Democrat, was a Marine aviator during WWII and flew F4U's in combat.
My mother, a liberal Democrat, served as a Woman Marine in WWII.
When you make a ignorant assumption you show yourself to be the shallow fool that many beleive you are by your inane postings.
Perhaps the mext time you inform me just what branch of the service such noted hawks as Tom Delay, Rush limbaugh,Denny Hastert, Sean Hannity, Bill Frist, Bill O'Reilly, Dick Cheny, Jonah Golberg, or Rick Santorum served in.
Until then STFU you fecal matter on the shoe of life.
i believe mr boot is also in the appropriate age range for the adventure of his life.
"Nature and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that a NASA-funded "robotic astrobiologist" named Zoë (a successor to the Hyperion rover) has found life in Chile's Atacama desert."
That's so sweet! Zoe found a nice boy robot, and they're settling down and raising a little robot family!
Tom "DoomedManWalking" Delay is live on c-span pimping federal jackboot judges. I expect lightning to strike him at any second, if it be Allah's will.
David Drier is with him doing the same, so if you have any bolts left over Allah . . .
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Tom DeLay, being truly monstrous, on Cspan 2 right now, doing his damndest to destroy any illusion he is actually a homo sapien.
Private Beinart! Get off my fucking obstacle, you worthless maggot!!!!
Has anyone started up the petition demanding Goldberg enlist or else be called a hypocritical coward from now to the end of time?
Let me know where to sign!
We should also do the same for every other wingnut we know is under 40.
Is this in the works yet cause I haven't read the above posts.
MYOB'
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That's so sweet! Zoe found a nice boy robot, and they're settling down and raising a little robot family!
As long as everyone involved is heterosexual and Christian, we got nothing against robots raising families.
Well I have an interesting speculation to pose.
I work for a defense contractor in Europe and other worldwide sites as deemed necessary to fulfill contractual obligations. I'm the only civilian at this locale. Everyone else I work with is retired military. I say this because they despise civilians even though they are civilians now...they haven't caught on yet.
Now these guys are proud that they are in the "active reserves". From what they tell me, they can be recalled back to active duty when situations arise. Most of them are in their early to mid 40's too.
I'm wondering if the military is considering recalling all those "active reserve" retired military back to shore up their manpower shortages. After all, these guys are drawing anywhere from 50% to 75% of their base pay. So the cost of bringing them back to active duty at full pay would be a cost savings over raw, green recruits.
regards
.
There used to be a time when the media would have laughed Bushboy out of office for the fraud, coward, liar, buffoon and depraved moron that he is.
But in today's FAUX NEWS, sycophantic corporate media time, Bushboy is treated with "respect," no matter how often he lies or blunders and no matter how egregiously!!!
What the hell! The 1500 + US soldiers who died in Iraq so far were probably not the son/daughter of any editor of any major news network, radio station or newspaper.
So long as Bushboy is "killing" other people's sons & daughters, why criticize?
Is Michele Malkin under 40?
MYOB'
.
"Slims" are what we called the Somalians .
Goldberg has sold his soul to be a polemicist.
His words, in the future, will be regarded with pity and embarassment for him, if they are regarded at all.
I think ALA is a parody troll, USMC70, but you rock all the same.
Robert M Jeffers - You know, I was talking about that aspect of the situation earlier today. I read that her parents said that and rather than feeling badly for them, it turned my stomach, Robert. There's something very deeply selfish about that attitude, and it's unhealthy.
You do not mutilate and use and manipulate people whom you love. Frankly, her parents scare the shit out of me. I don't like them one damn bit.
I told this on a thread below, but after my mother came out of surgery to repair an aortal aneurysm, blood wasn't flowing into her left leg. They wanted to take her back into surgery and if necessary, amputate her leg. I said no - they could try to get blood flowing back in the leg, but nothing else.
I was closer to my mother than to any other human being I've known, except for my husband. I didn't think I could live without her - I loved her with my whole heart. I was not about to let them take her leg off to save her life. She would have killed me if she had lived. Killed me. They got the blood flowing, so the confrontation didn't develop. Believe me, I didn't want to lose my mother, but it wasn't about me any more.
New revelations at gregpalast.com, proving what most of us already knew. How about it Anti-Liberal fuck head, did you read this?
Two years ago today - when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad - protestors claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq's oil once Saddam had been conquered.
In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists."
"Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants.
Captain Gota,
just once i'd like to see a member of the killer konservative keyboard kommando actually file charges of treason against someone. shortly after being found innocent the kkkk would get his buttocks handed to him in a civil suit. house, car, mini-bike, g.i. joe collection..... all gone.
-J.T.
What party does judge Greer belong to?
Anyone know?
regards
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...senior military leaders say the nation's security depends on drumming up broader public support for service.
Well, that's a big, fat, old lie right there.
Is this a short-term fix, designed to buy time before starting up the draft again? Or do they think of this as a permanent solution?
We should also do the same for every other wingnut we know is under 40.
If you believe her, Coulter is 40, enlistable.
I've said this before and I'll say
it again:
The first thing the Democrats should
do is out every prominent closeted
gay Republican official or operative.
These people are hypocritical fucks and they
deserve to be humiliated.
Starting with David Drier would be
good..
bigvic,
we will be sure to put Jonah right to work when he gets over here. Culture we got, War we got, he should find many fantastic and uniquely American things to do with those pudgy limbs of his. Idle hands are the devil's playthings.
and now, let the beatings begin.
Anti-Liberal Agitator: "Some of us are needed here..." That's called the "Keyboard Warriors Brigade" isn't it?
Anti-Liberal Agitator,
You are sadly mistaken..you are the enemy of Democracy and Freedom.
regards
.
You know, I was talking about that aspect of the situation earlier today. I read that her parents said that and rather than feeling badly for them, it turned my stomach, Robert. There's something very deeply selfish about that attitude, and it's unhealthy.
It is unhealthy; viciously so. Perhaps the roots of the poor woman's bulimia are revealed there.
I never meant otherwise, BTW. But that tells me the parents are, well, mentally ill. The cloud gathered 'round them, are parasites. Pure and simple.
Gonna teach Inferno starting Tuesday. Wonder what Dante would make of this crowd?
"Nature and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette report that a NASA-funded "robotic astrobiologist" named Zoë (a successor to the Hyperion rover) has found life in Chile's Atacama desert."
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette actually reported something?
Sorry for the snark.
The P-G has the best columnists of any newspaper.
(Yes I'm a Pittsburgh psychiatrist.)
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UsMarineCorp70,
Hear, fucking hear.
Believe me, I didn't want to lose my mother, but it wasn't about me any more.
The beginning of wisdom....
Since the birthdate on her driver's license seems to be in a constant state of retreat, Ann Coulter should certainly be under the age of forty by now, thereby insuring that she will do her patriotic duty and march right down to the recruiting station and tell Uncle Sam that she is here to make sure that she can forcefully persuade those Muslims to convert to Christianity. By enlisting, Ms. Coulter can serve as a shining example and pave the way for the rest of those patriotic conservatives {Hannity, Byron York, etc.} to serve in the military.
I think ALA is a parody troll, USMC70, but you rock all the same.
Eli
I agree, but the trick is to mock them, that way you can't go wrong either way.
I just checked. Chuckie Johnson is 51.
So he won't be re-eligible for enlistment for a couple more years -- make that a couple more wars.
spork_incident
Jack Kelly?
cspan just carried the live press conference with delay. delay just denounced the husband.
The FUCK?!?!?!
Congress Announces Deal in Schiavo Case
By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON - Congressional leaders hoped a deal reached Saturday would clear the way for a brain-damaged woman to resume being fed while a federal court reviews the right-to-die battle between her parents and her husband.
"We think we have found a solution" to the Terri Schiavo case, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, said at a Capitol Hill news conference.
"We are confident this compromise addresses everyone's concerns, we are confident it will provide Mrs. Schiavo a clear and appropriate avenue for appeal in federal court, and most importantly, we are confident this compromise will restore nutrition and hydration to Mrs. Schiavo as long as that appeal endures," he said.
(snip)
Tom DeLay, being truly monstrous, on Cspan 2 right now, doing his damndest to destroy any illusion he is actually a homo sapien.
There's someone left who needs convincing?
Hoyt C,
Got my hands on the same post off the BBC too. Anti-Liberal Agitator doesn't understand that its starting to become a global crusade to snuff out Republicans in the US and that anything that can be brought to the light of day to prove Bush and the GoP are of the same caliber of Hitler and his henchmen the sooner action can be taken to nullify them.
regards
.
Moab Dhib,
Judge Greer is a Republican. the conservative Christian was a county commisioner before he was appointed to the bench.
didn't the nazis begin using 14 year olds and 40 year olds at the end of WW2, if i recall correctly?
wasn't it about 1944-45 when allied soldiers started capturing these out-of-range soldiers in droves, because germany had basically run out of "draft-age" soldier population?
hmmmm.
by the way, BP (and by that i assume you mean "british petroleum"), that was a great post akin to Patriotboy and his boss, General JC Christian. you're on a roll - keep it up!
i, too, want to know who was a-bangin' Guckert/Gosch.
spork_incident
Jack Kelly?
Hoyt C. | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 6:00 pm | #
Uh....what was the question?
Wonder what Dante would make of this crowd?
Shish kebab?
delay just denounced the husband.
The husband should file a lawsuit.
Stop by your local recruiting station and pick up a pack of brochures, and anytime someone argues wtih you about the war, hand them one.
See if they still think it's worth dying for when it's their blood being spilt.
watertiger--"Congressional leaders" are all GOP. They have to call everyone back, now.
Will they come? Will they be listening to their constituents who, like you, are saying "What the f*ck?"
So many questions; so few answers. And how long will Terri really hang on?
Fuckin' A, Jarhead. 3rd Generation Marine myself, and proud to be independent of thought - just like the Grandfather, Father and Uncles before me.
Semper FI
OT -- Final question on a poll on MSNBC about how much religion affects American life.
http://tinyurl.com/4pcjb
Generally speaking, do you think of yourself as a Democrat, a Republican, an independent, or something else? * 6468 web responses
RESPONSES WEB NBCPOLL
Strong Democrat 27% 23%
Not very strong Democrat 4% 13%
Independ./lean Democrat 22% 9%
Strictly independent 9% 11%
Independ/lean Republican 12% 8%
Not v. strong Republican 5% 11%
Strong Republican 19% 19%
Other 4% 6%
More Democrats and leaning Democrats answered this poll. Most respondents said religion was an active part of their life.
I feel vindicated. I'm a Democrat and I'm not a heathen.
Since the birthdate on her driver's license seems to be in a constant state of retreat, Ann Coulter should certainly be under the age of forty by now
Haloscan does driver's licenses?
Delay & Co. are not only pandering to the Fundies, they are staging an attack on the judiciary. Said this below, but Bush has been jonesing for a Constitutional crisis for a long time. After all, he owes his presidency to one. They won't rest until the judicial branch is emasculated. Seeing as that branch exists to protect the rights of the minority, I find this all very chilling.
Hoyt C. sez:
Jack Kelly?
I want to punch something when I hear that name.
Anyway, he's the papers' token troll...erm, I mean columnist.
.
You're so gay.
Why yes! I am rather happy today. Thanks for asking.
Now go fuck off and die you waste of humanity.
Later dudes and dudettes, I'm off to eat some shrimps.
Anything that get's Jonah's and Beinart's asses on the front line is a good idea. You don't have to lower any age for countless other young chickenhawks in now. Little Benny of Clown Hall, for example. Anyone of them who support other people fighting their war should be shamed into enlistment or silence.
I can't comment on the parents of the corpse except to say that they are obviously in denial. I suspect they have been the subjects of a lot of lies about the impossible being possible.
What must Europeans think of this circus? What must people in the third world think of the resources being spent to keep a corpse animated when children and adults who have some hope of a real life die in their thousands every day?
America has gone insane and it can't be denied now.
Along the same lines, I expect that this blog will stop addressing:
-- abortion (the author is not female)
-- military issues (the author has no military experience)
-- electoral politics (the author has no electoral experience)
if the idea is that those without experience shouldn't advocate on important issues that involve life and death, then all of the above qualify.
I await your silence.
delay just denounced the husband.
Rehabilitating a politician's public person is hard work. It's hard.
But Tom DeLay is a Ethical Man™, and the boy king has every confidence in him.
watertiger,
Was there any substance that shed some light on what this deal is? It has to be with the consent of the husband. Or are they doing an end-run around the husband using the parents as a shield?
just curious.
regards
.
I'd like to ask a few questions and make a couple of observations, if I may.
Why to commenters here keep referring to "little brown people"? Who are these people, and why does only the "Left" refer to them?
How many here know what "medical tests" were performed on Mrs. Schiavo, and which weren't? How responsive is she, really? Did she, in fact, say that she didn't want to be kept on life support, and when was this first mentioned as a rationale for discontinuing basic life support? Is starving her, an innocent woman, to death okay, but executing cop-killers by painless lethal injection just plain wrong?
Anyone who pooh-poohs those who join the US Military abrogates his/her claim of supporting the troops, I believe. Like MYOB.
What solutions does anyone here have to offer in place of current US foreign policies? I think the ones we have now are doing a fair job.
Finally, ALA cannot be a regular lurker, if it thinks calling commenters here "gay" counts as an insult ...
All right, that's it. We're taking over.
Some of the callers on c-span2 are doing excellent work. The guy on now is really righteous. Go, bro'.
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spork_incident said
The P-G has the best columnists of any newspaper.
But Jack Kelly who claims to be, national security writer, is nothing but a right wing hack.
JohnT--Oh, I'd PAY to see one of THOSE trials on CourTV.
Hey, spork: HOMEBOY! The P-G may not be all that and a bag o' chips but consider the alternative...
...Though, come ta think of it, some of the alternative weeklies in da 'burgh are getting to be at least as read-worthy as the biggies...
Anagram!
Anti-Liberal Agitator = A TOTALITARIAN GERBIL
Was there any substance that shed some light on what this deal is? It has to be with the consent of the husband. Or are they doing an end-run around the husband using the parents as a shield?
My understanding is, the parents have never had standing to bring suit in federal court. The legislation would "fix" this, so they can get the Federal courts to bat this around for another 15 years.
Excellent use of judicial, as well as medical, resources, eh?
Christ, this pisses me off no end.
I await your silence.
I await your logic.
I just remembered
http://www.littleaudreysanto.org/
There is a definite pathology at work in cases like this.
Anti-Liberal Agitator doesn't understand that its starting to become a global crusade to snuff out Republicans in the US
Good to know *someone's* working on it.
Excellent use of judicial, as well as medical, resources, eh?
and my goddamned tax dollars.
There must be a nurse or doctor at the hospice where Terri Schiavo is who could end this madness before it goes any farther.
"Anyone who pooh-poohs those who join the US Military abrogates his/her claim of supporting the troops, I believe."
I can't speak for MYOB, but as you'll surely have noticed, the point of this thread is to pooh-pooh those who REFUSE to join the U.S. military even though they passionately advocate the lavish application of U.S. military power overseas.
Has "atrios" given all his money to the poor people yet?
No?
It's the same thing, isn't it?
if you are able, you really ought to tune into cspan2 and listen to the callers' opinions on whether congress should have gotten involved.
they just annuonced that santorum and martinez will have a press conference later today.
Excellent use of judicial, as well as medical, resources, eh?
and my goddamned tax dollars.
watertiger
I'm from Texas. All my representatives (state as well as federal) are wasting my tax dollars.
You get used to it...(*sigh*)
I'd like to see Mehlman drafted. And Karen Hughes, too, for that matter. Or would his tits present a problem.
Is Mehlman's cadelabra still missing?
Tom DeLay, being truly monstrous, on Cspan 2 right now, doing his damndest to destroy any illusion he is actually a homo sapien.
Homo stultien?
I await your silence.
I await your impending suicide with total glee.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you pussies, but I'm calling the recruiter first thing tomorrow. Ask yourselves, is there anything I WOULD fight for? I sincerely doubt any of you would do anything except bang away on the keyboard while you play with yourselves.
If you hate America, get the fuck out!
I await your logic.
I thought the original post was a fine example of the Jonah Goldberg fallacy [as Goldberg most recently applied it Juan Cole's writings].
bkny--seriously, I hope the Congresspersons are listening....
"At the Florida hospice where Schiavo is being cared for, three people, including former militia-movement leader James "Bo" Gritz, were arrested Saturday because they refused to stay back from a police line. The three apparently were trying to get water to Schiavo."
Well that didn't last long.
Old 'Bo' obviously couldn't get his posse of skinheads to come with him.
MYOB'
.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you pussies, but I'm calling the recruiter first thing tomorrow. Ask yourselves, is there anything I WOULD fight for?
Well, no, I'm a pacifist.
But thanks for asking.
Robert - You know who I really feel sorry for? Michael Shiavo's family - the woman that he is in love with and his children.
I feel terribly sorry for them.
I hope this is over soon.
...if the idea is that those without experience shouldn't advocate on important issues that involve life and death...
The idea is that if you're encouraging others to go fight, you fucking put your money where your mouth is.
As you well know, brownshirt motherfucker coward. Crawl back to the circle jerk now, prick. Tell Unka Karl we said "hi!"
Confirmed, hat is the stupidest "trool" on Eschaton.
just for the record.... how many current or former allegheny county folks are here today?
i grew up way on the far side of greater pitt airport.
-J.T.
It's the same thing, isn't it?
Another example of the Jonah Goldberg fallacy. I await the trifecta.
If you hate America, get the fuck out!
Come, now. Don't be such a coward.
bkny ...
What are people saying? Are they in favor of congressional intervention or not?
EPT,
"What must Europeans think of this circus? "
Europeans found it hard to swallow when Bush was elected first then were stunned into silence when he was re-elected.
This current fiasco is producing nothing but numbing silence. They have pretty much given up on trying to understand America and Americans.
As stated in other posts, there are more serious problems in the world that need to be adressed which aren't because America is transfixed on Martha Steward release from prison, Michael Jackson pedo trial, Scott Peterson murder trial and death sentence and whether or not to let a brain-dead person die.
regards
.
Price/Waterhouse confirms it and it's
official:
hat is the stupidest troll in the
history of trolling.
congratulations on a fine job!!!
Sorry to be off topic, but check out the "culture of life" for a black baby in TX via billmon
vaara, that may have been the original point, but it has, um, mutated.
But, since you bring it up, when are the regulars here going to try to stop the US military from accomplishing its missions? I mean, since it seems clear that they don't approve of what the military is doing. But they want a draft.
I say that because the only places I see a draft advocated in on the left.
North Allegheny
The GOP is selfdestructing before our very eyes. It's a thing of beauty isn't it. Too bad this poor family has to suller because of it.
it's broken out dem/rep for phone numbers. but i can't believe that's reflective of the calls. so far the overwhelming number of calls are supportive of delay and saying really ugly things about the husband.
Moad-Dib ... I always enjoy your posts.
Special Ed;
What the fuck are you talking about?
voolfie,
been there, done that. enjoyed most of it and when you get out will be pleased to compare long form dd-214's. ok? ok.
-J.T.
JohnT: Been here for all of my life except 18 months (first job out of CMU).
I'd'a been gone when I lost my job 3 yrs ago, except for the 12-yr-old here with her mom. I'm hoping that Pitt continues to be a job-engine after I get my PhD...can't count on the steel industry like in the polluted old days.
voolfie - your broke dick ass has 15 years of catching up to do, so I suggest you call right fucking now.
1-800-MARINES
See if you have the gear to serve in my beloved Corps.
I'll make sure to send animal crackers and pink frilly panties to you in boot camp. Your Drill Instructors will love you for it. Parris Island is really nice in the springtime, too.
CNN just had a report on Schiavo and indicated that some senators who should have been involved in the compromise were not involved. Could they be described as the Democratic leadership?
Tena--I agree. Entirely.
Her parents are a sad spectacle. Mr. Schiavo is a man committed to doing the right thing for the woman he loves, despite overwhelming obstacles.
It is time for this to end.
the rabid dogs and saliva-spewing nuts rallying around the Terri Schiavo case are very familiar sights here in the Islamic Republic of Florida. in your face Christians never let it rest down here, but letting DeLay spread the stench of his corruption onto every wingnut Republican legislator.for 15 years she has been in a persistent vegetative state. connect Republicans as the Party of the Persistent Vegetative State.
do we have to connect every single dot for the D party leadership?
Delay says the armed forces will have to get by without him, though he promises to buy war bonds---with South Korean money.
But they want a draft.
I say that because the only places I see a draft advocated in on the left.
I think by raising the age of enlistment to 40, the military is hinting that it might need a draft.
They're not expecting to fill their manpower gap with the few hundred people in their late 30s who might enlist.
The talk of needing a draft on the left is mainly rhetoric. This is a very quiet, yet unmistakable sign from the military that they want one.
Snow--if the Dems are smart, they will play this very delicately during the recess, and let nothing come up while they stay home (or just away).
To stay away does no harm. If they stick to that, this sad story ends by Easter, or shortly thereafter, and like Elian Gonzalez, melts from the public consciousness, with no benefit to the GOP.
that was a great post akin to Patriotboy and his boss
Thanks Jim in LA.
Notice how the Repugs won't go near it? That's the giveaway. It's poison and there isn't an antidote.
And you know what? I won't give up until they address the "elephant" in the White House.
Is Karl Rove gay?
Is Mehlman gay?
Is McClellan gay?
Who was screwing, or getting screwed, by Gannon, and were they screwing in the White House?
Why won't the Republicans talk about it here? What are they afraid of? Liberals accept gays. So what's their problem?
The Wash Post has the news on the so-called deal reached in Schiavo Case
"Congressional leaders announced a compromise that would allow the brain-damaged woman's case to be reviewed by federal courts that could restore her feeding tube."
"The measure would effectively take Schiavo's fate out of Florida state courts, where judges ordered the feeding tube removed on Friday, and allow Schiavo's parents to take their case to a federal judge. DeLay said that would likely mean restoration of the feeding tube "for as long as this appeal endures."
"Passage of the measure would require the presence of only a handful of lawmakers. Congress is on its spring recess, making it more difficult to locate lawmakers.
"President Bush, who has said he favors a "presumption of life" for Schiavo, would also have to sign the bill into law. Schiavo, 41"
Sounds to me that the repug's are taking advantage of the Congressional recess to gather a small group of like-minded individuals to ramrod this thing thru. And Bush is backing them 100%.
regards
.
steve simels, I was replying to something vaara had posted.
My lame-ass point was that if those who approve of current US foreign policy and the use of military force should join the Armed Forces, then all who oppose the same should join the other side and fight against the United States military.
You know, to avoid being a hypocrite, too.
Oh--North Catholic, BTW.
hey, voolfie.
look out for the depleted uranium.
I have served in the past (USAF 1977-1981), but I don't see this war as necessary, so I would not enlist again even if I could. As for your love it or leave it mentality, if you don't believe in freedom of speech, you can get the fuck out of the USA. Oh, wait, you're going to get out.
Barndog
"Animal crackers"
???
just for the record.... how many current or former allegheny county folks are here today?
Transplanted New Yorker living in Pittsburgh.
voolfie, got my DD214 right here.
Parris Island is really nice in the springtime, too.
Even better during the summer.
I say that because the only places I see a draft advocated in on the left.
I have yet to see anyone "on the left" advocate for a draft. Given the resistance to such an idea (look how well SS reform is doing!), would you expect "the right" to be advocating one? Or let the situation get so bad that the only way out is ignominous defeat, or a draft?
You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows....
Transplanted New Yorker living in Pittsburgh.
Almost sounds like the pilot for a sitcom.
voolfie, do not delay until another day; do it now. I enjoyed many things about my hitch (Army, US, 69-71), and you will be doing us ALL a favor. If you email them now, I bet they'd have a talented recruiter at your door within two hours.
http://goarmy.com/flindex.jsp
(I particulary encourage you to request 11B MOS and al Anbar duty.)
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>Ask yourselves, is there anything I WOULD fight for?
I would fight to rid America of Bushism.
Just tell me where to sign up.
The military has been lying and lying about virtually every aspect of this war. I read last week thatif they don't see recrutment pick they may extend deployment to 24 months. That, in turn will lead to huge numbers of deserters. Should we notify Canada? Will they even accept our troops after the treatment the GOP has given them?
Special Ed:
You realize of course that makes
no logical sense whatsoever.
Or is that your point?
Homo stultien?
EPT
Homo stultus.
Special Ed--not that I am of a similar mind, but I have heard more than one commenter here speak of breaking out the torches and pitchforks.
Oh, and do you remember the line in "Full Metal Jacket" about "the phony tough and the crazy brave?"
I am neither, FWIW.
Bobo can't be too old to join up, now that's a world he could use experience in.
Alright kids, off to decadently swill
chardonnay with some commie friends
of mine at an elitist cafe.
Catch you later!
I say that because the only places I see a draft advocated is on the left.
There are plenty of people "on the right," in high places, who know a draft is inevitable and they're shitting themselves over it.
But they don't like to talk about it -- we're going to need a draft because the "right" fucked up. Big time. Really, really big.
Yeah, atrios, why don't you support the troops?
Res Ipsa Loquitor,
I never get a chance to talk to anyone about politics. Everyone here is military republican. This is my only excape. I may be way out of the park on a lot of topics and not catch the snarking, but I'm never discouraged. I do pick up on things that are never appartent due to military propaganda.
regards
.
EkCenTriK - some dumbass in my boot camp platoon must have wrote to his mom for animal crackers. He got a big ass box of them. He has a choice of sharing them with the entire platoon, or eating them himself.
He chose to eat them himself, and was promptly remedial PT'd until he vomited the contents up, and cleaned the same, in front of the entire platoon.
There are plenty of people "on the right," in high places, who know a draft is inevitable and they're shitting themselves over it.
That's what I think about this change in enlistment age. It's a message from the military to the politicians.
We need more manpower and we don't care how you get it for us.
Hoping For 9-11 Part-2
You are a vicious, hateful monster.
Barndog,
this guy is obviously web-centric. shame on you for not giving up the URL
http://www.marines.com/
all anti needs to get his journey to a better life started.
-J.T.
I say that because the only places I see a draft advocated in on the left.
I have yet to see anyone "on the left" advocate for a draft.
This is like the same bizarro logic by which it's racist to say that Condi could never get elected preznit 'cause she couldn't carry the South...
Delay is committing necrophilia at this point.
They all are. They make me sick.
bigvic,
"Should we notify Canada? "
They already know...the underground railroad is up and running again.
regards
.
Moad-dib ... Must be tough. Do you just smile silently through gritted teeth?
This is like the same bizarro logic by which it's racist to say that Condi could never get elected preznit 'cause she couldn't carry the South...
Because she's a woman....?
Aw shit, you HAD to bring up Bobo...I was surfing past JMM, and read Kilgore and Harry Shearer.
Just sayin': Shearer is not NEARLY as entertaining as he is via audio.
Anywho, trying to give Kilgore the benefit of the doubt, I checked out the first two posts, and he was ON FIRE. Really ripping the Thugs a new one on Terry Schiavo and Bobo's latest on SS. Then, in the last two paras, he fucked it all up:
"Look, I am definitely not one of those people who despises, or even dislikes, David Brooks. He remains one of the funniest, and on occasions, most acute observers of big trends in the political landscape, especially in terms of cultural trends--traits that cover a multitude of sins."
Gee, Ed, just HOW MANY sins are we gonna "cover", here???
Jeebus. No WONDER we can't win...
JT - I will begin bends and thrusts immediately, followed by mountain climbers until my ass bleeds profusely.
That's what I think about this change in enlistment age. It's a message from the military to the politicians.
I think all the politicians below the level of the HRH (the Head Retard Himself) know how fucked we are.
They're talking about maintaining our force levels in Iraq at about the current level into 2006. I don't see how it's possible.
Mr. Jeffers, did you read this thread?
They cannot continue to have all of these military Big Adventures without a draft. Who are they kidding?
Tena | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 5:18 pm | #
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Why do I heard the sound of a draft on the wind?
Oh...and the costs of just keeping the military mended just to fight this rag-tag bunch of rag-heads? Odd that we have the strongest military on the face of the earth , but we're dogged down in dirt hovels.
Yeah..it's Vietnam all over again.
regards
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Moad-Dib | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 5:19 pm | #
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Military service should be mandatory for all privledged kids in America.
That last was by some anonymous person on this thread.
Who introduced a bill calling for a draft, last year?
Yeah, that's what I got out of that NYT story, that the underground war-resisters movement is indeed alive and well and rapidly expanding in Canada. and in Ireland too, where the troops going to/from the Islamic Republic of Iraq have a layover in Shannon.
Moad-Dib - its starting to become a global crusade to snuff out Republicans in the US and that anything that can be brought to the light of day to prove Bush and the GoP are of the same caliber of Hitler and his henchmen the sooner action can be taken to nullify them.
For real? Because I might feel a little bit more hopeful about things if this is true. We could use the help.
Let me speak up for the Democrats in congress and the senate who don't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. It isn't their responsiblity, it is an obvious trap, it is something that if the Republicans want to persue they have no real power to stop it (short of a filibuster in the senate) and it will in the end prove to be a huge mistake for most Republicans to follow their patron saint of neuro-toxins off a cliff. Being in office entails choosing your fights. Molly Ivins once praised Barbra Jordan for never wasting time on a loosing fight. Bad as this is there are much more important issues for the Democratic leadership to fight for.
If you want to fight the Republican body snatchers, Just remember to ask anyone this question, would you like your brain dead body kept "alive" like this for more than a decade and a half because a bunch of political hagfish got hold of your corpse?
I have asked a few people who thought they were in favor of "life" in this case and have yet to see anything but revulsion on their faces when THEY are the subject of the debate.
John Tomato -
Born and raised. But I spent a decade in NM.
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Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari,
Thanks for the tip on Judge Greer. Proves that not all Republicans are bad eggs. Some do understand the rule of Law.
regards
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"many, many of them." that phrase still makes me cringe.
-J.T.
charles rangel, whis is a democrat and a sargent in viet nam, called for a draft to call attention to the fact that poor people do the brunt of the service.
Who introduced a bill calling for a draft, last year?
Special Ed | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 6:33 pm | #
Special Ed. You're asking the wrong question.
Here's the correct one.
Will most "conservatives" support a draft if it becomes necessary to bring "democracy" to the Arab world?
Would you?
Because by raising the age of enlistment to 40, the military is saying "yes" it is.
Do you agee with them? Or does this in any way temper your enthusiasm for "Democracy" in the Middle East?
No idea where that name came from.
Anyone else having this kind of trouble with HaloScan and their name? NTodd, you seem to be able to make it do your bidding.
Better just sign it EryPopt
"This current fiasco is producing nothing but numbing silence. They have pretty much given up on trying to understand America and Americans."
They don't have to. The election was rigged.
Diebold is proof enough.
MYOB'
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Moad'dib--I feel your pain. My part-time gig is with a military contractor, loaded with double-dippers and wannabe tough guys.
I did exchange brief sorrowful asides with one nice lady (an elderly secretary) on Nov. 3, but I sure as hell feel WAY in the minority.
Who introduced a bill calling for a draft, last year?
Don't be as asshole, Ed.
You know very well why he did that. What point was he trying to make?
Jesus, you people love to ignore the truth.
(Brownshirt E);
What the fuck are you talking about?
Whatever Unka Karl tells him to.
Hey, beats dropping fries at Jack-in-the-Box!
Moad-Dib,
You are correct. I posted waaaay up thread about Viet Nam vets helping soldiers escape to Canada. I just wonder if this becomes really widespread whether Canadians might simply tell us to piss off.
Special Ed--not that I am of a similar mind, but I have heard more than one commenter here speak of breaking out the torches and pitchforks.
Talk is cheap, Captain Gota. That was my point. Commenters here have said that those who support the War should join the military.
But they, who oppose the War, may sit behind their keyboards.
BTW, Steve, posted this for you earlier (in case you missed it)...
But they, who oppose the War, may sit behind their keyboards.
Special Ed | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 6:39 pm | #
Bad logic. If you're against the war, then obviously you would have preferred that there be no war to oppose. You, on the other hand, are in favor of going out of our way to bring "democracy" to the Middle East. You're saying that the war wasn't a necessity (ie the WMDs argument was never the reason for going to war) but a war of choice.
But once again, you're missing the point. The military just raised the enlistment age to 40. This is a very strong signal they think a draft is necessary.
Would you support a draft if the military wants one? I realize you won't answer the question but I'm putting it out there so everybody can watch you not answer it.
spec ed.,
do you recall all those who protested before the war? will you concede they were correct?
-J.T.
moabdib,
George Greer is a straight shooter. Had to leave his Baptist church after his pastor denounced him to the local press. He's currently guarded by deputies in an undisclosed location. and now Frist is threatening him with fines and imprisonment for doing his job. I guess there is a lesson in this for the non-wingnuts within the Rethuglican party.
Talk is ch--
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But they, who oppose the War, may sit behind their keyboards.
Opposing a war is a far cry from supporting the enemy.
Rangle "a sargent in viet nam"---
Actually he was an officer in Korea--and even won a medal, a bronze star, I think.
Really, kids - just ignore the moronic brownshirt fuck.
It's not interested in a "debate," or anything other than spreading the propaganda it's paid to spread.
No, I will not support a draft.
pie, if you say I want to do something, and I deny it, that does not prove that I was considering it before you brought it up.
Yes, I understand why the bill was introduced. Grandstanding to raise the possibility of a draft to the American conciousness. The fact that the Democrats did it to "out" the Republicans does not automatically imply that the Republicans ever considered re-instating the draft.
Again, the only place I ever see the draft mentioned as a possibility or probability, is on the left. The right seems to universally abhor it.
Special Ed---and where are YOU serving?
We're on this side of the debate because we feel the stakes should be SLIGHTLY higher for geting people killed than whatever the fuck some brain-dead excuse for a president cobbles up for an excuse.
Yes, there are things we will fight for. If I read Dave Neiwert too much, sometimes I want to get combat training so I can blow away the next brownshirt idiot spewing about "patriotism." If I thought it would make a damn bit of difference, I might think harder about it.
But since you seem to think force solves everything, I ask again: where are YOU serving?
Tena,
Too bad to aren't here to get an earfull from everyone what's wrong with America.
The British are to a fantastic job of picking up where the US MSM leaves off. The report by the BBC that Bush had plans prior to the invasion of Iraq to privitize the Iraqi oil fields is a prime example.
In short, the Europeans will do whatever it takes to bring to light what's wrong with American. It's up the the American public to do something about it.
By the way, it is my German landlord that compares bush and his cabinet to Hilter and his henchmen. Seeing how she has a degree sociology and works for the German social system with wayward children from broken families gives credit to her opinions. And she speaks fluent English too.
regards
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Sure glad I'm a member of my local draft board.
Opposing a war is a far cry from supporting the enemy.
Snow | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 6:42 pm | #
Well, you know Glenn Reynolds says that people like me "are on the other side". So, contrary to Special Ed's argument, I obviously am doing my part to help the Iraqi resistence. Every time I go to an anti-war demo and burn a flag or spit on a soldier and call him a "baby killer" I'm going my little part to bring Islamofascism to Amerikkka.
But, once again, this is an ominous sign. The military doesn't think it's going to fill it's quota by raising the enslistment age to 40. It's a message. The message is "we need a draft". I'd be worried if I were an 18-24 year old male.
JohnTomato, which protesters protesting what?
dave,
the problem with monsterblog is too many covers, not enough full stories. but they are getting there.
ever check out Coconino Classics? The best comics from the 19th century.
Commenters here have said that those who support the War should join the military.
I'd be happy if you could admit that this whole war has been a huge, senseless mistake.
That you were wrong in supporting it, especially after realizing that Bush lied to get us there.
Then he failed to plan for the aftermath. Halliburton, missing funds, Abu Ghraib, death everywhere, chaos.
You continue to *support* this debacle?
You fool.
harry lime,
my mistake. he was is korea, not vietnam. my researching is as good as my typing.
No, I will not support a draft.
What if it's necessary to "build demoracy" in the Middle East.
What if it becomes suddenly obvious that to prevent another 9/11 we need to invade Iran and we can only do that with a draft?
Would you support it then?
Special Ed
Yes, I did. And I still don't hear anyone "on the left" advocating a draft.
What I hear is a great deal of concern, concern brought to a head when Rep. Rangel introduced a bill to reinstate the draft (which would have been a blessing to the National Guard, BTW).
I still don't hear any advocacy. A recognition of reality, which the present Administration is strenously ignoring. But no advocacy for a draft.
From anyone. At the moment. I expect that to change, eventually.
spec ed,
those protesting the iraqi invasion for the wmd snipe hunt. surely your memory is good enough to recall the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of folks who took to the streets?
-J.T.
So who's exactly is "supporting the troops" again?
While states are spending more to extend benefits to their National Guardsmen called to duty, the Bush administration is reducing benefits, Pennsylvania's Democratic governor said Saturday.
"While we the governors do all we can for our vets and our returning soldiers, our federal government has the primary responsibility for meeting the needs of our veterans," Gov. Ed Rendell said in his party's weekly radio address. "And that's why I find the president's budget cuts for critical veterans services to be unconscionable."
In his budget, President Bush has proposed charging certain veterans a $250 annual registration fee and raising from $7 to $15 the copayment those veterans pay for a 30-day supply of prescription drugs. The budget also would cut $293.5 million by limiting the veterans whose care in state-operated veterans homes is reimbursed by the federal government.
"During this time of war, it is absolutely the wrong time for our federal government to step back from any of its commitment to our veterans," Rendell said. "To do so would be penny-wise but pound-foolish."
Captain Gota, I am a retired soldier. I served Stateside, Germany, Korea, Honduras, and GW I.
A draft would be counter-productive. An increase in numbers countered by a decrease in effectiveness. More cost for more problems.
I seriously doubt there are more than a handful of active military who want a draft.
The right seems to universally abhor it.
Good. So do I. Then when it happens, we can join together to protest, right?
...ever check out Coconino Classics?
Damn you! My wife will be around to punch you in the nose... 
Mrs. Ibrahim al-Jaafari,
I am truely sorry to hear about the plight of Judge Greer. This is suppose to be American, the land of the Free. It's nothing but words that carry no meaning anymore.
regards
.
Who was screwing, or getting screwed, by Gannon, and were they screwing in the White House?
I still say it was Bush. Probably while bent over his fathers desk looking through tear filled eyes at 8x10 glossy photographs of Ronald Reagan and John Wayne. But that's just a guess.
Ed, don't be fucking dense.
Jeebus, why am I bothering here???
I seriously doubt there are more than a handful of active military who want a draft.
Why then did they just raise the enlistment age to 40?
Do you think they really believe that there are enough 37 year olds just dying to go to Iraq to bridge the manpower gap?
Or is this a message?
The credit card bill is coming around SE. When you mouthed off about "building democracy" in the Middle East, you should have realized how many boots on the ground it would take.
See you at the next anti-war rally when you switch sides. Remember, no Rachel Corrie jokes and no getting all upset when we burn flags. And make sure to bring your own soldier to spit on a call a baby killer.
Now, come on you guys.... yer making this entirely too difficult for ol' Special Ed there.
But, it certainly is fun to watch his aimless floundering.
Special Ed,
You are right. The Right does abhor the thought of a draft. Because The Right is afraid that their children will be drafted to fight this war of choice.
Unless they can find a way to ensure that only poor and minorities can be drafted, then there will be enthusiastic support for a draft.
Tena & RMJ --
I am with you 100% on the Schiavo case -- it is an unbelievably sick situation (but the true believers on the right (both the politcal & the religious right) are mostly mentally ill (or at best at a very immature level of development)
Charles Rangle (hardly an extremely right-winger -- pretty left, actually) has called for a draft -- GWPDA (again, not exactly a fascist) has pointed out the national service is appropriate & right in a democratic republic
A draftee army is more reflective of the society as a whole -- having a draftee army in Nam got us out of there faster
So I would support National Serice, but it should apply to all (including women) & it should not be exclusively military (which should provide for pascifists like RMJ & myself)
Or so it seems to me
Again, I will not support a draft.
I still believe the invasion of Iraq was the right thing to do. I still support our foreign policy.
I still support all of you to continue with criticism and fact-checking. You're vital to the continued greatness of our nation.
Oh, yess, the protesters. I still think they were deluded and wrong.
You continue to *support* this debacle?
You fool.
pie
Willful ignorance. Ignore the unpleasant FACTS. Sooner or later it will be impossible to ignore.
Moad-Dib - By the way, it is my German landlord that compares bush and his cabinet to Hilter and his henchmen.
I have a friend who grew up under the Third Reich. Her stepfather was an officer on the Eastern Front. Last summer she and I were talking and she leaned forward and lowered her voice and said: "This is just how it started, you know. We gave up little things to "be safe." It was just like this."
spec ed,
wrong that there were no wmd? do you have any facts to support that delusion?
s-n-i-p-e hunt.
-J.T.
Who are the patriots?
Democrats
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: Army Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 Army journalist in20th Engineer Brigade.
* Michael Dukakis: Army, 2 years 16 months with the support group to the UNdelegation to the Military Armistice Commission in Munsan, Korea.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* John F. Kennedy - Lt. Navy 1941-1943 Navy Medal and Marine Corps Medal WWII
* Lyndon B Johnson - Navy. He saw action in the Pacific and received theSilver Star . WWII
* SArgent Shriver -Navy Lt Commander 5 years
* Joseph Kennedy Junior volunteered to fly a B-24 into a fortified beachposition in the Atlantic wall. He died for his country
* Robert F Kennedy: He left Harvard before graduating to serve in theNavy during World War II:Lieutenant.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, 3Purple Hearts. Volunteered for 2 tours of duty in Vietnam
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaignribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,and Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star andLegion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; BronzeStar with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam U.S. Marine Corps, 1961-70,
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft butreceived #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy WWII
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.
*Republicans
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked MaxCleland's (who has no knees) patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S.Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role makingmovies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart andDistinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem" (although continued to play inthe NFL for 8 years.)
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
Again, I will not support a draft.
The military says "unless we invade Iran, there will be another 9/11. But we need a draft to be able to invade succesfully".
Then do you support it?
Or was that war about WMDs all along and now that there were no WMDs it just wasn't necessary?
Credit card bill is coming.....
Oh damn, I hardly ever post, but I enjoy reading the intelligent posters. I learn so much.
However, to the fucking trolls that call liberals cowards and get the fuck out?
My husband is a Vietnam vet, a Marine who went through that sweet little hell over there, his father was in WW2 and Korea and his grandfather was a Sgt. Major in the Marines and saw action in WW1 and WW2. Two of my stepsons served this country, one in the NG and one for 8 years in the Army.
But I'll tell you fuckwads (the trolls)..when it came to my last step-son joining the Marines this past year, my husband went ballistic. "Not for this goddammed shit, he won't!"
We are proud AMerican liberals, this family has served this country for generations. You can just plainly and simply shut the fuck up.
Excuse everyone else, I'm normally much more lady-like. Thank you.
Oh, and Tom Delay..to quote a gentleman from 50 odd years ago:
"At long last, sir, have you no shame?"
Special Ed,
"I seriously doubt there are more than a handful of active military who want a draft."
While this may be a true statement, I see and hear troops on their way out the door after they have served their commitment. There's no replacement s scheduled in and rumor has it MAJCOM is re-structuring manpower to meet the shortage. In fact, their recruitment goals are less that the Army's. They’re gonna do more with less. So how long do you think they can hold out before they can't perform at their mission level competence?
The idea of a draft is being floated to prepare the public for the enviable.
regards
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I disagree with some of the opinions here. If that makes me a fool in your eyes, so be it.
Again, I will not support a draft.
Good.
I disagree with some of the opinions here. If that makes me a fool in your eyes, so be it.
Why in your opinion did they just raise the enlistment age to 40?
Bet you my bank account that you could find thousands of National Guardsmen who have had their deployments extended who would like to see some other people drafted to replace them.
We already have a draft, it's just not called that.
And there will be a draft. If Bush is insane enough to open up a third war it's absolutely certain.
Charles Rangel (hardly an extremely right-winger -- pretty left, actually) has called for a draft -- GWPDA (again, not exactly a fascist) has pointed out the national service is appropriate & right in a democratic republic
A draftee army is more reflective of the society as a whole -- having a draftee army in Nam got us out of there faster
So I would support National Service, but it should apply to all (including women) & it should not be exclusively military (which should provide for pascifists like RMJ & myself)
Or so it seems to me
As it's set up currently, the military draft (as opposed to the Health draft) is restricted to males. Only an Act of Congress can change that. And, oddly enough, the single surviving exemption covers both ministerial students and ministers (tho you kind of have to prove it. During the training, as folk were droning on about 'how do we make sure the individual really is a minister or other similarly acceptable religious, I kept nudging my seatmate and asking when Brother Clarence and Sister Mary Margaret in their complete uniforms would be showing up - however....) Similarly, those who are unable, due to conscience, to serve militarily as part of a military action may be designated Conscientious Objectors, and assigned to non-combatant roles, or, if utterly unable to accept even that form of military connexion, will be classified to serve two years in some other entirely non-military function.
And bigvic, do I want to be part of the folks making these decisions? No. That's why I am.
SWR, they need more bodies.
The trouble with numbers in the military is that the military has to maintain troops in too many places for non-military purposes. That's just my opinion.
John Tomato, what are you calling WMD?
I think a draft under these circumstances would be deeply immoral. This is not a war of necessity. People should not be forced to fight in it. The other side to it is that right now, young people are being forced to fight in the war out of need, because they are poor and didn't have other options. That's immoral too.
But then, that's the only outcome possible - immorality - because the war is immoral. I think the draft is wrong, but from a practical standpoint, more Americans need to understand the reality of this war. Americans haven't so far been asked to give up anything. Well, arguably, those who support the war have willingly given up their souls, but as a practical matter, no one in this country who doesn't have someone overseas has any connection to this war. That's immoral, too.
Anne, thank you for posting that!
Many of us have relatives that have served this country honorably.
This war was wrong from the start.
We're not obligated to support it or Bush.
"If that makes me a fool in your eyes, so be it."
Ed, I'm the one who's tired of being played for a "fool" by Conservatives.
My "opinion" is that you are supporting selfish, violent and dangerous people, and that if you had a lick of sense you would STOP IT.
Tena,
Funny how I hear the same whispers too.
In fact, every time Bush does a circus act for attention, I hear a lot about how similar the act is to what Hitler and the Nazi’s did in the 1930's.
The Germans have for years been victimized by the acts of Hitler and his henchmen so they are well aware of their transgressions. They are just stunned that what they have felt shamed for, for the last 60 to 70 years, they see as being practiced in the US today.
regards
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The trouble with numbers in the military is that the military has to maintain troops in too many places for non-military purposes.
Sounds like a letter I read in Time Magazine recently.
We shouldn't have invaded Iraq.
SWR, they need more bodies.
The insurgents in Iraq have already cut the roads from the Green Zone to the Airport. And this is with 150,000 American troops in the country.
Now I have no doubt that in a straight up fight the US military could beat the Iraqi resistent in any fight, anywhere. But the problem is that if those 150,000 Americans leave, any Iraqi government would fall in a couple of days.
So we're looking at a long term stalemate, one that will last from 5-10 years. Think about that. We're going to need 150,000 American troops in Iraq for the next 5-10 years and it's already taken a toll on recruitment.
So what does this mean? What happens in 2 or 3 years when they can't fill the gaps with stop loss orders anymore?
special ed, you really need some special ed. george bushies adventures are about to break the army.
stop loss ain't the answer. moving the recruitment age up to 40 ain't it.
ain't no solution to this problem unless guys like you and jonah do the right thing and join up.
Who are the patriots?
I go to school with hundreds of young Republicans, many of the "America: love it or leave it" variety. Do you know how many of these are enlisting upon graduation this May?
One.
A FEMALE.
dan hoppe, I already did join up.
I am leaving now. Please keep the celebration small. Remember the last time Atrios had to clean up after us ...
Let me stipulate that if there is a draft I will actively lobby for people my age (quite old) who are fit be drafted if they have never served in the military or another service branch of the government, Vistas, Peace Corps, etc. Serving as a congressional or administration hack will not be a basis for exemption. It might even enhance the chances for selection. No exemptions for education, divinity school, having children, etc. No trick knees on football players either.
If there is a draft I am absolutely opposed to limiting it to the young.
So we're looking at a long term stalemate, one that will last from 5-10 years. Think about that. We're going to need 150,000 American troops in Iraq for the next 5-10 years and it's already taken a toll on recruitment.
So what does this mean? What happens in 2 or 3 years when they can't fill the gaps with stop loss orders anymore?
Think about this, please. We've already been told that we're in Iraq for the long haul.
Think.
Oh, yess, the protesters. I still think they were deluded and wrong.
Special Ed
The protesters were deluded & wrong??
And Bush was right???
Sorry but I don't drink this early in the day....
ain't no solution to this problem unless guys like you and jonah do the right thing and join up.
While it is time for Jonah to do his duty, Special Ed already did more than should be sufficient. Retired as a master sargeant, IIRC.
spec ed,
any of those gems powell told us all about at the his u.n. dog & pony.
those same items that were the impetus for the invasion, those same items which the bush gang now says.."oops, there weren't none."
do try harder, your attempts at ignorance are as funny as your attempts at knowledge.
-J.T.
So what does this mean? What happens in 2 or 3 years when they can't fill the gaps with stop loss orders anymore?
SWR
Oh, I'm sure all those late thirty-something balding, doughy armchair patriots with their radio dials permanently fixed to Rush Limbaugh will run to the nearest recruiter to enlist.
"Ask what you can do for your country" and all that stuff, ya know...
hysteresis | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 6:57 pm
Wow!
And Anne that was a great post.
"The trouble with numbers in the military is that the military has to maintain troops in too many places for non-military purposes."
They're trying to get away from that.
NPR had a newscast a couple days ago about a new air vehicle that is similiar to a cruise missle that can take off and land on its own.
The cruise missle will have the capability to fly to any part of the globe in a matter of hours and drop a payload that can loiter in a area for a considerable amount of time before being deployed.
Once the payload is delivered, the cruise missle returns to base and is preped for another mission.
The whole concept is to free the US military from having to establish bases overseas from which to launch strikes against potential enemies.
The first production models are due to roll off the assembly line in 2010.
Interesting times we live in where people are becoming obsolete.
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Oh, I'm sure all those late thirty-something balding, doughy armchair patriots with their radio dials permanently fixed to Rush Limbaugh will run to the nearest recruiter to enlist.
I know a lot of balding, 30-something ex Greatful Dead fans who voted for Bush.
I know a lot of early 20-somethings who listen to Rush.
Right now conservatism is as trendy as leftism was in the 60s. The left became very un trendy when the post Vietnam recession hit and people realized they'd actually have to fight to stay in the middle class.
The right will become un trendy soon enough. But then again, we still have those 150,000 thousand troops in Iraq and the insurgents will still butcher any government in weeks without them.
In a way, our troops were just abit too good in Iraq, too competent. They're keeping a stalemate in place against the odds. They're keeping people in Iraq alive who will be either dead or on the first plane to London when they leave.
As soon as they leave, bang, civil war, chaos, a failed state, an Al Qaeda training camp to end all Al Qaeda training camps.
This is exactly what we "traitors" warned you against.
hope that you are leaving to reup spec ed!! and get some of that extended bush clan to enlist!! i understand that not a one of the military age people in that clan are in the military! not one.
what is up with that?
Hey Barndog, from Area Office 4, Local Board 6, (Maricopa County, AZ) Howdy!
That's hilarious. I can't wait to see Goldberg's next excuse.
I forgot, we were talking about Jonah weren't we. It occoured to me that the reason he's in favor of killing cats might just be because his mother eats mice. Maybe him too. Old Lucy is getting up in years and can't catch them like she used to.
pie,
"We've already been told that we're in Iraq for the long haul.'
The contract work I perform could easily be accomplished by active duty types. However, the military has decided to "outsource" this as a civilian contract. In fact, quite a bit of the non-military functions that once were performed by active duty types are now being done by civilian contractors.
There will come a time real soon where the lines between active duty and civilian contractor will blur and no one will be able to discern who is what and what is who.
In short, civilian contractors will free active duty to go and fight, but at the same time be sharing the same foxhole with each other. There may even be civilian commando contractors (once known as mercenaries) in the mix soon too. Rumsfield is quite a creative character.
regards
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It's 1:23 am here...way past my bedtime.
Enjoyed the news and the posts!
regards
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'night, M-D.
Hah. Schwarzenegger said that he wouldn't tell Academy Award nominated actor and Academy Award winning director Warren Beatty how to act if Beatty wouldn't instruct him on politics. This after stating that he was not a politician.
I will pay $100 to anyone who comes up with an authentic photo of Lucianne Goldberg eating mice. No Photoshop allowed.
Schwarzenegger is nothing but a corporate shill. Nothing but.
If it is suggested that Beinart enlist, I recommend the same for little Johnnie Chait. He acknowledges his support for the war. Let him bash Dean while he walks the parameter of the Green Zone.
Jeez, it just occured to me. Chimpie's war is beginning to like Hitler's struggle near the fall of Berlin. Old men and little boys doing the fighting.
"I'd be in Iraq if I was younger, but I served in the Nam unlike any of you, and I didn't come back bad mouthing the USA. I love the USA. YOu don't. Fuck you.
Anti-Liberal Agitator | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 5:26 pm | #"
This guy wasn't sprayed with Agent Orange, he drank it straight out of the can!
just for the record.... how many current or former allegheny county folks are here today
Currently living in Emsworth, J.T.
And have you seen the fine Pittsburgh blogs at http://www.pghbloggers.org/
"Sir,a jelly donut, sir!"
"A jelly donut? Are you allowed to eat jelly donuts, Private Jonah?"
"Sir, no sir!"
"And why are you not allowed to eat jelly donuts, Private Jonah?"
"Sir, because I'm heavy sir!"
"Because you are a disgusting fatbelly, Private Pyle!"
this is milo's war. nobody should support it. it is being waged on behalf of the syndicate and contrary to the hype, nobody has a share.
Is there any way to get to DeLay's feeding tube and terminate his brain-dead ass?
Speaking of war in Iraq (and the push for broadening military action to include Iran and maybe Syria), I ran across a new blog The Gorilla in the Room, which features content on the influence of the Israel Lobby on the issue.
Just so Google can link these names to my site (grin), two names you're going to be hearing a lot about in the next few weeks are Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman. Other keywords I'd like to link are Steven Rosen Spy Spying and AIPAC.
I served in the Nam unlike any of you, and I didn't come back bad mouthing the USA. I love the USA. YOu don't. Fuck you.
Toilet paper comes in all kinds of flavors.
Glad I didn't know that.
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this is milo's war. nobody should support it. it is being waged on behalf of the syndicate and contrary to the hype, nobody has a share.
Olaf glad and big | Email | Homepage | 03.19.05 - 9:52 pm | #
This may be my all-time favorite posting, ever. I just pray you don't get disappeared. Good luck.
But, shit-suckers, what have any of y'all ever done for this country?
Atrios?
What?
That's what I thought.
Ha-ha. Anti-Liberal Agitator claims:
"I'd be in Iraq if I was younger, but I served in the Nam unlike any of you, and I didn't come back bad mouthing the USA. I love the USA. YOu don't. F*** you."
First of all, Mr. Lying-Anti-Liberal Agitator, those who served in Vietnam served in 'Nam, not "the Nam."
Then he ducks out without stating when he served, how he served, with whom he served, or where he served. Was he drafted, or did he enlist voluntarily? Not one detail verifying his alleged service to his beloved country is offered.
I'd be more impressed even if he simply made something up in a lame attempt to pass himself off as patriotic, but he ducks out instead.
Real noble warrior, that Lying-Anti-Liberal Agitator.
Then he claims he'd be there if . . .
Ha-ha. But only if . . .
'IF' is the biggest word in the dictionary, Mr. Lying-Anti-Liberal Agitator soldier-man !!
Woulda . . . coulda . . . shoulda . . . kinda like Tom Delay, who would have served if all the minorities hadn't taken up the available enlistments . . .
Ha-ha.
Typical phony RightWingLemmingdompubbiehood poster. Nothing but bluster, then ducks and runs.
No wonder GeeDubya's such a hero to these people - not because he put his life on the line, but because he avoided service and got away with it.
Hey, Lying-Anti-Liberal Agitator soldier-man, why do you hate freedom?
Damn it! I'm 44! I'll have to pray that they raise the age to 45 before my next birthday.
This is 'way late, but to correct someone upthread, I retired as a Staff Sergeant, not a Master Sergeant. I'm not a very good politician and got the right results the "wrong" way. Leadership style was too far out of the norm.
Whatever. The missions were always accomplished and my soldiers advanced quickly and did well, and that's what I was about.
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