I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
No way
oooooooo, pass the popcorn!
Talk about luck of the stupid.
Oh and Jeb is a momma's boy coward.
fraidy cat!
Will Jeb rise again on the third day?
coward.
hey freepers! how do you like them cowardly apples?
[sound of large stone rolling over the opening to Jeb's tomb]
He ran out of fear of the polls
Rev. Patrick Mahoney is a wanker.
Oh and Jeb is a momma's boy coward.
Just like the worthless deserting sack of pigshit that is his older brother.
Coward from a family of cowards.
Is cowardice, like, a Bush family genetic trait?
forget the Passion, we have the wankion.
Good Friday, but not a Great Friday.
That's beautiful, man.
Is that really a station of the cross? That sounds made up? I was Just Born so I don't much, 'cept I'm delicious.
To be fair, I wouldn't have wanted to show up and read those words to that crowd, either.
No Passion but lukewarm slackerhood.
Sure didn't take them long to turn on him did it... and it's only the beginning.
Ohhh, the Grand old Duke of Bush,
He had ten thousand men,
He marched them up to the top of the hill,
And then he marched them down again.
Just like his brother, a total pussy.
forget the Passion, we have the wankion
The Crucifiction?
Jeb Bush: "Sorry, Jesus, dude, I can't be bothered with carrying your cross today....got to go to the mall and snort snow".
I'm laughing out loud a whole whole lot over this. Oh dear sweet goddess, thank you thank you thank you.
sally - Ohhh, the Grand old Duke of Bush,
He had ten thousand men,
He marched them up to the top of the hill,
And then he marched them down again.
So good it had to be repeated.
Jeb Bush is Tanner Angular Head
LOVE how the 'wingers eat their own wounded.
So stupid to get these crazies riled up.
You just know the woman is going to die on Easter and we'll have to endure another week of this shit until they bury her. Unless she goes on a "Reagan Died"-ish tour.
You heard it here first.
Mel will be so disappointed, he may have send another fax from that seafood restaurant.
Wow, if must really suck to have sucked up to these wackos only to have them turn on you.
... I do believe Atrios has summed it up best over the last couple of days ...
... RUN AWAY!!!
(... bravely ran Sir Jebby ... Sir Jebby ran away ...)
Congress just defunded Amtrak so no trains will stop at the Passion station.
And George is hunkered down in the Crawford Bunker . . . Just like Jesus, ain't gonna see these guys until Easter.
Soft. Gutless. Punk.
"YOur post reminded me how for years, liberals and conservatives have together cried: NEVER AGAIN! with respect to the Holocaust.
Too bad liberals always find new excuses to let it happen in little ways again and again."
it runs in the family. he's just like his big brother, a fucking coward.
so now cnn has some guy who is head of a disability group who is completely misrepresenting the schiavo case and also, claiming that allowing terri schiavo to die will lead to killing the disabled.
Brave brave sir Jeb, running away.
Pretty awesome...
By not being able to deliver to the demands of the fundies, this guy is toast.
Stations of the Cross You'd like to See:
"Lord Runningclam, why must I wear these illfitting pants and vest? I want to wear sweats and drink High Karate just like the best?"
Ooh! Ooh!
I have another one:
"Well, I guess not everyone loves Raymond after all."
Huh? Huh?
Rev. Patrick Mahoney is a wanker
No disagreement here. The "Christian Defense Coalition" certainly sounds like another Jeebofascist nutjob group.
But then again, Jeb the Pussy should have realized he was playing with the mentally deranged who turn on you in a friggin' heartbeat if you don't go along with them chapter and verse.
brave, brave sir jebby
he ran away with his pride cut off
and ran away with head hung low
brave, brave sir jebby
If God is Dead, All is Forgiven.......fred nietzsche.
How many stations of the cross does Clear Channel own?
Note to the Democratic Party: How come a woman in a persistent vegetative state has managed to do more damage to the Republican Party than you guys???
I'm shocked, shocked, to find a Bush brother acting like a coward.
he stirs up the pot, now afraid to show his face
ROTFLMAO! Where do you suppose ol' Jeb is holed up? Cheney's secret bunker? :D
Replayed on Randi ...
Alan Colmes asks Randall Terry: "You said earlier that if Terri Schiavo died there would be hell to pay. What did you mean by that?"
Randall Terry: "Alan, this is not the night for that."
Alan Colmes: "Who were you referring to?"
Randall Terry: "Mostly to the nine Republican legislators here in Florida, but eventually on a national level."
BTW ... Randi is giving a nice little history of Schindler Family Spokesperson Randall Terry.
Jeb awol from his fundie friends
Jeb, hiding under his bed, 'Mommy'.
She shows up and scares the dust bunnies so badly, they break the Easter Eggs and her glare melts the chocolate cross.
Opened a can a worms - and the press, of course, out of respect for Jebbie and his brother Dubya blowing it bigtime - leaves them alone.
But Bill Clinton and his intern - that was a non-stop press mob and a bloody - free for all press field day.
Fuck you Dana Milbank and the WP, as well as NYT. Not a word, not a fucking word - no facts here - no story here - move on folks. You don't need a story of why Bush did this.
Those 16 sixteen words were just a mistake -- my ass.
Bush could kill and torture whomever he wants - the press - in it's great respect for Dubya and his lies - won't touch any real facts about what Jebbie and George Bush just did here. The lies, the politics - the press is too busy quoting the Bushies word for lying word to bother with getting the real story here - the real facts.
Bush is king and we're not. The press sure as hell thinks so. It's not about the call Bush the why it called Bill Clinton.
Profiles In Cowardice
Jeb!: It's What's For Wingnut Dinner!
How many stations of the cross does Clear Channel own?
LOLOL!!!
Has anyone pointed out to these assholes that government interference works both ways -- that if the govt is allowed to intervene to put IN a tube, it will also be allowed to intervene to take OUT a tube (e.g., Sun Hudson)?
Geez, listen to me, trying to talk logic & sense to fundies, what was I thinking....
So cowardice runs in the family, eh? Fucking chickenshit gets the fanatics all frenzied up, and then doesn't have the guts to face them. What a puss.
I agree about the Bush boys being cowards, granted, being raised by that hurricane with a handbag would cower the greatest of men, but Poppy *did* fight in WWII.
But that matters not. My morbid side asks, "time for a dead pool -- when does some unstable 'culture o' lifer' decide that he has the power to decide who lives and who dies?" Not so much who, as these people are so unstable, they are truly capable of shooting each other, but when some Rapture Ranger pops a cork and guns someone down.
Anyone?
Newly posted sign at the local Y:
Please put the dumbells back in order.
Where do we start?
Jeb Bush: a Patrician sissy, just like his brother Fredo.
Any fundies that don't like the way the Schiavo case turned out can move to France. Ya know, just get out!
you know, the "seebach" posting right now has to be a name stealer. Seebach has been posting really good thoughtful comments for the last few days.
Nothing at all like this Little Goat Fuckers shit that is being posted under the name right now.
I weep tender tears of butter for thee!
This is getting beyond lame.
Jebbe now worships the god of JehRova and his culture of lies. praise the lord and pass the polls...
Note to the Democratic Party: How come a woman in a persistent vegetative state has managed to do more damage to the Republican Party than you guys???
Roddy McCorley
ahhh ... Roddy, I totally disagree with you ...
was arguing with a good friend of mine who wanted the Dems to come out and make more hay out of this ...
... I think when your enemy is making complete jackasses of themselves, the best (and wisest) thnk you can do is stand back and LET THEM
Bush, on his private emergency phone, calling Pakistan.
"Bin, buddy, please, we even raised the code to a higher level for you, please, please".
Bin Laden, 'hahahaha. BWA hahahah".
Poppy *did* fight in WWII
Only in an attempt to restore some family "honor" after Prescott and pals were busted laundering money for the Nazis.
I don't blame Jeb for not going. Someone is likely to get shot before this whole thing is over - you know, Culture of Life and all.
That being said, I have very little sympathy for his predicament. No forced him to pander to the fascist fringe.
Is the entire Bush family made up of wimps and cowards?
Let's start taunting them with the old Hefty Bag "Wimpy, Wimpy, Wimpy!" slogan (blatantly stolen from a blog whose name I've forgotten).
Too bad liberals always find new excuses to let it happen in little ways again and again."
Seebach | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 4:01 pm | #
Yep, someone's wipin' out de whooooooole race of vegetables, that's fo shoa!
Can't we get any decent trolls in here?
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I don't blame Jeb for not going. Someone is likely to get shot before this whole thing is over - you know, Culture of Life and all.
It is weird, isn't it, that us evil pro-choicers get worked up into homicidal rages far less frequently than the "pro-lifers"?
pug-thuggery
smug muggery
pug-mugged wastrel scion, running away from halfwit mouthbreathers.
Ha
Pimp daddy Jebb, buggered by theological thuggery.
It's Good Friday you godless heathens. Switch off your computers and get to church.
Don't forget your burkas.
Visit beautiful Florida, the Persistent Vegetative State™!
So does this mean we get to frequently remind the Talibornagains that Jeb! and George promised to interfere in that poor woman's medical care and invalidate the sanctity of her marriage, but that they ultimately did nothing to "help" her?
LEAVE JEBB BUSH ALONE HES DOING THE BEST HE CAN BUT HIS HANDS ARE TIED BY THE LIBERAL JUDGES WHO REALLY RULE THIS COUNTRY GOD BLESS THE BUSH FAMILY THEY ARE TRYING TO SET THINGS RIGHT
YOU LIBERASL INSTEAD OF PULLING THE TUBE YOU SHOULD BE PULLING FOR TERRI
GO TERRI GO WE HAVE FAITH IN YOU!!!!
link please, please god, link!!!
ROTFLMAO! Where do you suppose ol' Jeb is holed up? Cheney's secret bunker? :D
(At the secret location where Crackhead Daughter is kept):
"So, how do you do smoke this shit again? I knew I should have talked to George more about this stuff!"
Note to the Democratic Party: How come a woman in a persistent vegetative state has managed to do more damage to the Republican Party than you guys???
Roddy McCorley
Its a good question, Daniel Shimmering Copperhead.
I think the answer is that this is a clear example of the dictum that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Is Merkin Patriot a parody or not? God help us, I can't tell any more.
OT. Don't ask me what made me click on Debra Saunders' column today, but she rips the Bugman a new one! First Bobo, now this. I hate to be overly optimistic, but it looks like the rats are leaving that sinking ship.
buggered by theological thuggery.
Ah, the sweet smell of santorum. I loved it when Strom did it to my stigmata.
-Liddy Dole
If Shrub is Fredo, does that mean Jeb is Michael? Or is he Sonny?
Why would they be mad?
Oh well, never get in the way when your opponent is in the process of destroying himself.
Cowardly Jeb Cancels Appearance
Proof that God answers prayer...
Kentsquito -
Go get your Indian name. The 'squitos are sooo 5 minutes ago...
GO TERRI GO WE HAVE FAITH IN YOU!!!!
she's not some sort of third rate quarter back, ya know.
Jeb -God is commanding you to force feed the brain dead girl.
Grand Moff, I'm not a troll. I was merely quoting amusing Free Republic posts. I quit identifying them as such though, which was an error.
dumb question:
why aren't our protesters keeping these jackasses from making public appearances?
are there that many more Schaivo freaks than anti-war protestors? I can't imagine that would be the case.
THE LIBERAL JUDGES WHO REALLY RULE THIS COUNTRY
bush v. Gore- the rest is a fucken history - asshat
i wanna see some PISSED OFF christian conservatives screwing the GOP over in 2006... the dems should be doing their best to keep all of this in the public eye
I watched the Daily Show Clip that someone put up earlier. Very funny!
But it really brings home to a European, just how bad cable news is in the USA. You guys talk about it a lot, but when you these idiots for real.........good gawd.
I can now see quite clearly how so many people vote Republican.
CNN wants to know if we think Terri is suffering. I voted no.
are there that many more Schaivo freaks than anti-war protestors? I can't imagine that would be the case.
it is what the press would have us believe.
Jeb today - Terri who?
For some reason, Jeb!'s face makes me think of a catcher's mitt
Pimp daddy Jebb, buggered by theological thuggery.
kentsquito | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 4:09 pm | #
He was Hilary-Pillaried, Doc!
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"Of course we are still barred from ever viewing the most graphic videos taken of the WTC area. I was 2 blocks away when the planes hit. There were bodies/parts everywhere. My anger at the terrorists is shared by my continued anger at the MSM for censoring footage to undermine our resolve to fight those terrorists."
My, the fever swamps are deep.
Merkin Patriot, you need to gently reach over to the left hand side of your keyboard, and tap the "caps lock" key.
Then, when you learn how to speak in a normal tone of voice and figure out the basic rules of punctuation and spelling, perhaps we can have a coherent discussion.
Boy oh boy, now the fundies are going to turn on him bigtime. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Well, yeah, it could -- it could happen to his brother, but this is a nice start.
I wonder, though -- Stations of the Cross is a Catholic thing, and a fella with a name like Rev. Patrick Mahoney sure doesn't sound like he'd be anything but Catholic. Jeb's Catholic, isn't he?
I always wonder about how the fundagelicals and Catholics can possibly get along (since each party deep down believes that the other one is going to hell, hell, hell). So now this Catholic governor has let the movement down. I'm sure the fundies are going to be all over him for being an idolater and whatever else they read in their Jack Chick tracts.
D'you think Father Mahoney, faith and begorrah, is getting in the first licks to prove to the fundies that his (probably very right-wing) Catholics shouldn't get painted with the same broad brush they're going to paint Jeb with?
If Bush is Fredo, does that mean Jeb is Michael? Or is he Sonny.
You tell me:
Michael: calm, cool, Machiavellian murderer
Sonny: raging hothead mook of a murderer
Cowardly cowardly custard
Can't cut the mustard
For some reason, Jeb!'s face makes me think of a catcher's mitt
I've always thought he had a squishy silly putty kind of face, all soft, no angles.
CNN wants to know if we think Terri is suffering. I voted no.
Voted No as well.
And if Terri's dad keeps up with the "down to the last few hours" bit for another day (pretty much as he has been since yesterday), we're gonna have to get him a gig on the Weekend Update.
That's awesome. Seriously, what did ol' Jeb think was going to happen? You can't lead this crowd to water and then take away their drinkin' cups. Serves him right for getting them all riled up like that--now they actually expect him to DO something. Imagine!
What is next on the "Jeb and Terri Show"?
For some reason, Jeb!'s face makes me think of a catcher's mitt
gary in fl | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 4:14 pm | #
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
@Seebach:
Ah, I didn't see any tags, so I took it all as one piece. As you can see, we've been worred about you: thought your name'd been stolen. Thank you for bringing us freepi goodness. I'll get the sample to Jane Goodall right away.
But you must admit, I was right: we don't have any good trolls in here!
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kitty blogging up...
see you all later! 
Jeb can't be Catholic, strawhat. Can he? His wife is hispanic, so it's possible.
GWB is a Methodist. They're an indifferently religious family, a strange position for the figurehead for the fundies.
OT--I will soon relent in honor of Cowardly Jeb "Tanner Angular Head" Bush, and post some Catblogging.
But don't forget to go get your Authentic Indian Name and join the Tribe of No Capital.
--Wallace Trivial Chocolate
MERKIN PATRIOT is a parody troll (and pretty funny, I might add).
Cowardly Jeb Cancels Appearance
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Pass the popcorn over here...
The Freepers appear to not have learned about Jeb yet. I want to see what they say when they do.
You tell me:
Michael: calm, cool, Machiavellian murderer
Sonny: raging hothead mook of a murderer
How about more like Carlo: dumb loser who can only get handout jobs.
CNN poll: Do you believe Terry Sciavo is suffering?
http://www.cnn.com/
Just up. Go.
Off Topic sitewhoring!
It's Friday. Time for MoronMail from the MBF Brigade!
Don't get enough crank hate mail on your weblog, I'm here to share the crank hate mail I get.
Dave, this crowd, when they see water, run and throw themselves into it, sharks be damned.
How about more like Carlo...
LOL ... Good one, Big Daddy!
My anger at the terrorists is shared by my continued anger at the MSM for censoring footage to undermine our resolve to fight those terrorists
The freepi think they are suffering from a propaganda deficiency?
Mother of fuck.
Help! I'm not deluded enough! USE ME!!!
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"Note to the Democratic Party: How come a woman in a persistent vegetative state has managed to do more damage to the Republican Party than you guys???
Roddy McCorley"
Amen.
a strange position for the figurehead for the fundies.
Kinda like Ronnie Raygun, who darkened the doorstep of nary a church while he was Pres. But the fundies just LOVE him!
Funny, NYT had a long piece just this morning about how Jeb has cemented his position with the Christian right.
I thought when I saw it, it would be cement overshoes.
I still think so.
Heh.
What's the over/under on any BamboozlePalooza appearances in Florida any time soon?
Malibu Applebees 3/25/05
I support Governor Bush's retreat to his hidey-hole.
Sincerely,
Mel Gibson
Saw some family film last night of TS before she went into her coma, she looked like a party girl hottie.
Rev. Patrick Mahoney is a wanker
And his indian name is (drumroll)Isadore Backsliding Fruitbat
This Makes my day!
OMG..this should prove to all those missguided, peabrained wingnuts out there that jeb bush is as chickenshit and cowardly as the bush in office now and the bush before him. Obviously the polls are being watched thus the monkey in office decides to back off his and realize the limit of his "power". Now waterhead boy jeb in florida has decided this will be far too politically damaging for him to continue if he plans to occupy the WH. I can't believe this little wimp is actually afraid to face his followers/worshippers..too funny.
Chris Tucker | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 4:20 pm | #
WTF was that??
EPO:
CNN wants to know if we think Terri is suffering. I voted no.
Cletus wants to know if we think CNN is suffering. I voted yes.
..
Seebach - Ah - you confused the hell out of me posting freeper comments without making it clear what you were doing.
I thought you were a name stealer, since I've really been enjoying your own comments the last few days.
It's a relief to know what you're up to.
I think GWB should read "My Pet Goat" to Terri. Look what happened the last time he read it.
Note to the Democratic Party: How come a woman in a persistent vegetative state has managed to do more damage to the Republican Party than you guys???
The Dmes don't have to do anything other than throw the Repubs the occaisional anvil (such as not standing in the way of their disgusting grandstanding).
The Dems aren't coming out for or aginast Mr. Schiavo's decision, all they have to say is "its none of our business" and let the Repubs interfere for craven political reasons all they want.
GWB is a Methodist. They're an indifferently religious family, a strange position for the figurehead for the fundies.
Emmaline Purgative Ostrich
I think the family was Episcopalean (sp?) before this whacky younger generation came around.
Go get your Indian name.
Praytell, where?
The 'squitos are sooo 5 minutes ago...
While this may be true, nothing has been more pleasing than to see the variety of characters get on the buss.
But as you wish, my dear.
Don't make me sign up for Free Republic just to post the Jeb news. I would like to see those little meat puppets dance for my amusement though. To rattle the cage or no?
Robert M. Jeffers -
Well, if it was in the Times...
i love it when an evil fruit-wad plan starts falling apart and spinning out of control.
let us hope the freakazoids don't kill someone before the next "extreme" cause rears it's head.
-J.T.
Jeb! has always been a spineless sniggering weakling
Grand Moff -- That pun was so wince-worthy I sat here going "Ahhoww..." Well done.
All my ostensible Indian names sound more like porn star names, for some reason...
Go get your Indian name.
Praytell, where?
Here, and leave a comment!
GWB is a Methodist.
Yes, of the Donald Wildmon variety. Not somebody you'd want to invite to dinner.
They unleassed thier hounds and they are coming to bite 'em in the ass
Oh Walking Bat Flying Moon -
That is bee-you-ti-ful!
*jenny
It is weird, isn't it, that us evil pro-choicers get worked up into homicidal rages far less frequently than the "pro-lifers"?
"Far less frequently?" Try never.
I cannot think of any instances where anti-criminalization people actually committed acts of homicide against the anti-abortion freaks, can you?
Saw some family film last night of TS before she went into her coma, she looked like a party girl hottie.
chris/tx
From the GAL report, I learned that she had weighed 250 pounds at one time. By the time she met Michael Schiavo she weighed 150 lbs. At the time of her collapse, she weighed 110 lb.
a_random_joel asks:
What's the over/under on any BamboozlePalooza appearances in Florida any time soon?
next week.
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This is my real Indian name, apparently.
I think brunching shuttlecock's cybogizer was much, much cooler. Hey, they've even updated it.
Under that, I am G.R.A.N.D. M.O.F.F.: General Robotic Android Normally for Destruction/Machine Optimized for Forbidden Fighting
So I've got that going for me.
...which is nice.
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I cannot think of any instances where anti-criminalization people actually committed acts of homicide against the anti-abortion freaks, can you?
Nary a one.
CNN is reporting an "emergency appeal" to another state court judge. Apparently not Judge Greer. No mention as to their grounds for appeal.
Even if Jeb or the family were to get Terri out of the hospice and take her over to Morton Plant hospital, there's no way to be certain that any doctor who practices there would even reconnect the feeding tube. After all, Judge Greer's order is still outstanding and I rather doubt that most doctors are going to be willing to get caught up in the litigation black hole of this case.
*And* the doctors who have been grandstanding around this case no doubt do NOT have right to practice at Morton Plant.
Yuppers, things could get real weird, real quick.
Interrobang: is it time to play that game, again?
Fine, from now on you may all call me Luke Beacon.
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Since we're playing games, how about some SixDegrees of NineEleven, to celebrate Karen Hughes' return?
No?
Courtesy of Freepland:
"Jeb Bush and Jaywalking !!!
If a little baby crawled out into a busy highway and sat in
the middle of the road, I'm quite sure that Governor Bush
would risk a jaywalking ticket to rush into the street and
save the child even if the Don't Walk sign was flashing !!!
Terri is an innocent and helpless child right now. Therefore, she
desparately needs someone to bravely risk arrest for jaywalking
to save her life from that evil mob of monsters who are blatantly
attempting to murdere her ... in plain view of the entire world !!!
Jaywalk NOW Jeb !!!"
I agree with a Freeper... jaywalk now, Jeb, indeed.
Salient point re: vegetative state more powerful than the Democratic Party.
It brings to mind Sun Tzu's The Art of War: best battle is the one you win without fighting.
Yes, I think the Bush family were Episcopalian. That would go with the New England blue-blood prep school & debutantes background. But George couldn't pretend to a be even a nominal Episcopalian once he decided to be a phony Texan. Too refined, see. So he pretends to be a Methodist or some such. As for Jeb, I think he married a Catholic and converted for her. (Happens a lot.)
"Eternal Word Television Network, an Alabama-based Catholic cable service that reaches more than 100 million homes worldwide, is interrupting previously scheduled sacred programs for a Friday evening broadcast that expects to treat the Schiavo case through interviews with a family member and a neurologist."
Man.
Jaywalk NOW Jeb !!!"
I agree with a Freeper... jaywalk now, Jeb, indeed.
And my I suguest the intersection of I-10 and I-75 for that move.
Seeing as it won't make any differnce to Ms. Schiavo one way or the other, I do hope they succeed in keeping the corpse alive. That way it will leave no doubt in the public's mind that the republican Party has been hijakced by a fringe cult.
"Jackson Chummy Bunny"
We should get Jeff Gannon (Kirk Blatant Hamster) on this right away.
For the first time in awhile, I feel like actually watching CNN's nonstop coverage of sumpin'-or-other, just to see what the whackjobs will actually do.
It will be beautiful.
***CNN wants to know if we think Terri is suffering. ***
Total media whoredom. This is SO irresponsible--and shows how little difference there is between CNN and Fox.
It doesn't matter what I think. Or most of us. This is not an opinion question, like "Do you think Congress was right to get involved in a personal family matter?". This is a question most of the people they ask are professionally, experientially, categorically incapable of answering. "Does a person in this medical condition suffer?" I've no frickin' idea. Ask a neurologist.
But they'll put the (utterly meaningless) poll results up, and act as if it they matter:
"68% of Americans, talking out of their ass, think that..."
Bonfire of the Insanities
Speaking of Florida and jaywalking...
I agree with a Freeper... jaywalk now, Jeb, indeed.
I-95 is lovely this time of year.
But James Guckert is Saul Somber Scallion.
For what it's worth.
***CNN wants to know if we think Terri is suffering. ***
Total media whoredom. This is SO irresponsible--and shows how little difference there is between CNN and Fox.
Well, as we know from the wanker of the day, we can all diagnose her just by seeing her on TV!
extraordinary rendition - Wow, 250 to 110. The footage I saw she was probably about 120 and very healthy looking.
Strange how bulimia can start later in life. A girl I knew since childhood died from bulimia a couple months ago at 47. Don't think she became bulimic until mid 20's or so. It was awful, open casket, she looked more like 85.
"How come the United States selects a female chimpanzee as Secretary of State?"
"This black woman thinks rather a lot of herself."
"She's so ugly she's losing face. Even a dog would be put off its dinner while she's being fed."
China, on Condoleezza Rice
I like my indian porn name
Oooh, Loretta Chocolate Osprey. That's a nice Indian name. I *like* that.
If she's a female chimp, and W is a male chimp, maybe they really are doing it.
Even if Jeb or the family were to get Terri out of the hospice and take her over to Morton Plant hospital, there's no way to be certain that any doctor who practices there would even reconnect the feeding tube.
They'll find one, even if they have to use a graduate of Anal Roberts Medical School.
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Boy, won't we all have fun when the Chinese are the new global hegemon.
China, on Condoleezza Rice
aka Tracy Transistorized Ferret
Charlotte Mysterious Pants,
glad you likey
@Seebach: whiskey tango foxtrot?
That was from Free Republic?
yow
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Even if Jeb or the family were to get Terri out of the hospice and take her over to Morton Plant hospital, there's no way to be certain that any doctor who practices there would even reconnect the feeding tube.
Doesn't the Fed trump the state in this case, though? If these state guys say put in the tube, someone would just run over to the Federal judge who DeLay and Co. put in charge of his mess and get a TRO.
Here's the Christian Defence Coalition press release that goes with Atrios' post.
I'm not sure I like the sound of "Christian Defence Coalition". Sounds un-Christian to me.
OT - Must read!
More on topic of US military's targetting of unembedded journalists:
http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/145305/
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Iraq Checkpoint Killings Unchecked
by Jeremy Scahill
"While much media attention has been focused on the torture at Abu Ghraib, two other strings of questionable killings by U.S. soldiers have been largely ignored by the American media and not a single soldier has faced any disciplinary action for the deaths. Since the beginning of the invasion in March 2003, the U.S. military has killed more than a dozen journalists in Iraq more than the Iraqi resistance has. There have also been scores of civilians killed including women, children and families at US military checkpoints across the country. Yet not a single soldier has been charged or disciplined in any of these cases, and the internal investigations have become a conveyor belt for exonerations.
The recent killing of an Italian intelligence official and the wounding of an Italian journalist by U.S. forces in Baghdad highlights how out of control the climate of impunity has become. It should serve as a wake-up call to the dangerous reality faced daily by thousands of Iraqis and by unembedded journalists."
"The Chinese are about as racist as the Arabs."
Heeheehee. Freepers and irony.
Since we're playing games, how about some SixDegrees of NineEleven, to celebrate Karen Hughes' return?
No?
Wally Moon Bats aka Smitty Wer | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 4:30 pm | #
Fuck that, I played the 9/11 drinking game during the RNC.
I still can't find my car.
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The Dems aren't coming out for or aginast Mr. Schiavo's decision
My rhetorical query waaay upthread was not directed to the particulars of the Schiavo case. I agree that their best strategy with regard to this tragedy is to stay the hell away from it. Let the GOP work themselves into a fine foamy froth over this woman who has been, to all intents and purposes, dead for 15 years -- while those in our society who really could use some help are deemed unworthy for reasons I haven't quite figured out. (Unless it's because they really could use some help...)
The question is, what are the Democrats going to do after this? They've refrained for the better part of a decade from pointing out that the Republican party as currently constituted is batshit crazy. With a majority of Americans agreeing that this is not a matter for our meathead congress, now would be a good time to start pointing out --hammering at -- the fact that it's the GOP out of touch with the mainstream.
John Kerry couldn't seem to do that. But Terry Schiavo has.
Go figure...
I'm not sure I like the sound of "Christian Defence Coalition". Sounds un-Christian to me.
Urgh. Rather reminiscent of Bugman DeLay's recent comments:
The Texas Republican blasted current federal tax law, which bars both secular and religious nonprofit groups from endorsing political candidates.
"It forces Christians back into the church and that's what is going on," DeLay claimed. "That's not what Christ asked us to do. We have to fight back."
Screw going to Church! Fight back!
"The Chinese are about as racist as the Arabs."
Bronze that muthafucka!
Holy Shit!
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What the hell kind of "authentic Indian name" is "Glen Photorealistic Snail"?
Jeb Bush. George Bush. Sean Hannity. Time's up.
John Kerry couldn't seem to do that. But Terry Schiavo has.
Go figure...
John Kerry wasn't a tar baby.
Oh, and the slime machine isn't pointed at Schiavo...
...unless you mean Michael Schiavo. The freepertrash are doing their usual gobshite gangtackle on that poor bastard.
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Bronze that muthafucka!
You must not know many Chinese people or Arabs.
The world's full of racists - we don't have a monopoly on them.
Some freepi goodness from the approval rating at 45 thread:
Any thought that Jeb would be running for President in 2008 might be dashed. And yes, that would be due to his inactivity in getting Terri out.
The only thing hard to understand is the stupidity of the 48% of American voters that voted for Kerry.
This is a fraudulent poll put out because Bush was gaining momentum on Social Security and the Life issue.
I'm not sure I like the sound of "Christian Defence Coalition". Sounds un-Christian to me.
Urgh. Rather reminiscent of Bugman DeLay's recent comments:
The Texas Republican blasted current federal tax law, which bars both secular and religious nonprofit groups from endorsing political candidates.
"It forces Christians back into the church and that's what is going on," DeLay claimed. "That's not what Christ asked us to do. We have to fight back."
Screw going to Church! Fight back!
rorschach
Yeah, good idea.
Uh, the press release I linked to above is the same one Atrios' quoted to start this thread, except that the press release includes the contact's [Rev. Patrick Mahoney] phone number.
Just sayin'.
jebbe, how you like being ridden by the tiger and you didn't even get dinner... HA HA
You can call me Arthur Decaffeinated Ram from now on.
This is a fraudulent poll put out because Bush was gaining momentum on Social Security and the Life issue.
Freepers always have a full bowl of Cocoa Puffs, don't they?
The backlash begins (we can all hope).
The wingnuts can't decide who to blame (and therefore hate), their own politicians or Dems.
If they cannibilize each other will this signal the death of the culture of life?
Seraphiel
Talibornagains?
Bwa Ha Ha Ha!!
Just one question to be a bit contrary regarding the Terri Schiavo case:
There is a principle held by many religions that you cannot judge another person's quality of life: e.g. it would be wrong to withhold medical care from someone at the end stages of Alzheimers' disease, even if they are not responsive, etc., because you really cannot know what their life is like. Similarly, many religious streams that are very liberal with regard to allowing a mother to have an abortion if the pregnancy would have a significant chance of being substantially more stressful than a normal pregnancy (e.g. child was conceived from rape, mother-to-be is diabetic, etc.) balk at the idea of aborting a fetus having a genetic disorder because one ought not to judge the quality of life of that child-to-be.
There is another principle that you should not deny someone food or water, but rather you should ensure that they are fed, hydrated (oxygenated, etc.).
Given these two beliefs, many people would say that Terri Schiavo ought to be kept alive. She is not terminal in the sense that she is going to die soon feeding tube or no - so why not keep her alive? It is devaluing human life to say that her care is not worth it because we should act as if any human's life is of infinite value.
Of course, there is hypocrisy on the side of the "pro-life" camp: the hypocrisy of saying they respect the value of every human when they latch onto this case (treating Schiavo as a cause and thus dehumanizing her in a way tantimount to murder) and ignore the plight of so many humans around the world -- not to mention the hypocrisy of these people not complaining about the Texas Futile care law, etc.
But let's ignore the hypocrisy, especially of the politicos, for a bit.
How do you respond to people with bona fide arguments that Terri Schiavo should be kept alive?
I would tend to argue that (I) the "pro-life" position is not secular (I might personally feel that it would be wrong to take out the feeding tube in this case, but I cannot force my morality on others nor should government force this morality on others -- and government has no compelling interest in this case outside of the courts resolving the family dispute as to Schiavo's own wishes) and (II) the concerns expressed by this position may not apply here --
after all, even if one cannot fully judge the quality of life of another, there is still the principle of "do no harm" ... if the feeding tube is hurting Terri Schiavo, maybe it should be stopped ... and certainly if so, then reinserting the tube is an active harm.
To me the issues in this case are what Terri Schiavo would have wanted, as well as what does the least harm and what state she is in fact in.
That being said, the pro-life crowd does raise some bona fide concerns. Just as with abortion, while we Dems. should not "moderate" our position, we do need to reach out to the other side and understand their concerns. Empathy is a liberal value after all - one that we should use to our advantage in the political debate.
If we can say -- look, even if you believe abortion is wrong, do you really wanna treat it as homocide? even if you feel Schiavo should be continued to be fed, do you really want the gummint making these decisions?
We liberals need to play from a position of strength - and our strength is that our ideas actually work in the real world. We don't need to moderate our positions, but we do need to reach out to those who don't hold our positions in theory and make them realize that in practice, our positions give them the results they want and address their concerns more than they might think.
Most people can be convinced to adopt the liberal point of view, but, even if we ought not to change our positions, we do need to address their concerns. Once we do so, people will stop viewing liberalism as evil and may come around to support us.
China, on Condoleezza Rice
aka Tracy Transistorized Ferret
rorschach
You beat me to it. She was appointed by Pres. Patrick Leggy Python.
JFTB,
I got "Robert Sinewy Scallion", from the generator, I think I'll stick with the onw I have.
Rorscach, If you are still around I am leaving some picture assistance in your comment box.
Thanks, flying moon. I'm stumped.
Rorscach, If you are still around I am leaving some picture assistance in your comment box.
I tried, but I screwed it up...
Giant extreme close up of Terri on cnn.com right now is pretty hilarious. Wondering what the point is.
I tried, but I screwed it up...
That's good to know, because your post confused me profoundly!
It's going to get brutal. I can feel it in my bones.
... being raised by that hurricane with a handbag would cower the greatest of men, but Poppy *did* fight in WWII.
Only to keep public opinion from sending Poppy's pappy to prison for pussyfootin' with his pals, the Nazis.
Toby, you and I absolutely agree.
Over at Free Republic, people are talking about the Schindler's filing a wrongful death suit against Michael. This could never end.
DAS - Here's my answer to all of your questions and soul searchings. Michael Shiavo is Terri's husband. Their legal relationship supersedes all previous legal relationships. Michael is in the best position as a matter of law and fact to know what his wife would want. Michael has made that clear.
It is none of her parents' fucking business, as a matter of law and as a matter of fact.
rorschach,
the assistance, one is the not so correct I pulled it out of my ass version, along with the right/ correct information.
Flying Moon -
Very good call, because this one is lovely, just like you.
Over at Free Republic, people are talking about the Schindler's filing a wrongful death suit against Michael.
Good. Have them read Rule 11 beforehand.
The world's full of racists - we don't have a monopoly on them.
Ted Smith | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 4:44 pm | #
You must've missed the initial post. The point was that the attribution of racism was itself racist.
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CNN poll: Do you believe Terry Sciavo is suffering?
I don't usually critique these poll questions, but this one really begs it.
As if being in a PVS for 15 years was not "suffering." My response is: from what? Lack of water? Or lack of a cerebral cortex?
She still responds to "noxious stimuli." On that basis, we should keep her alive, her parents say. Keep her alive so she can suffer ("noxious stimuli" is extremely uncomfortable. Basically just below jabbing you with sharp objects). Does she feel anything else, when the feeding tube is in? Is she aware of her discomfort? Of 15 years of immobility, no voluntary control, inability speak or communicate?
Is she suffering? Yes. Should we be humane, and end it? Yes.
Yo, DAS, can you get it down to 3 or 4 sentences? It's the comments section, not Foreign Affairs Quarterly.
Well, if one good thing will ever come out of the whole Schaivo situation it will be this: Jeb Bush will NEVER be President. Of course, on the downside, these religious nutcases may wind up electing someone far worse...
I'm beginning to think this may not hurt the religious nuts as much as we may hope.
Yo, DAS, can you get it down to 3 or 4 sentences? It's the comments section, not Foreign Affairs Quarterly.
Slothrop
That was unnescessarily unkind. If you want to argue with the content, fine. But DAS is a good communicator and I didn't think his post was too long at all.
Seebach - I'm beginning to think this may not hurt the religious nuts as much as we may hope.
so what are you basing this on?
Pandering to these TheoCons is going to cause a real Civil War.
Because like the rest of the wingnut party, no matter what you do to appease them, they move the goal posts more their way.
Bu$hCo I screwed up getting them excited for Poppy. Now Bu$hCo II has them fully roused and ready for action. This mob will be eating their leaders alive if they don't stay on top of it.
But staying on top of it requires feeding it more.
Charlotte Mysterious Pants,
That would for the moment be "Flying Blushing Moon."
Charlotte Mysterious Pants,
How did the move go BTW, I hope well.
If the nutcases don't vote for Jeb in '08, the Rovian vote machine will send their votes into the ether just like it does the Democrats.
Unfortunately the Beast the Carlyle Group has created for its shock troops may be too big and hungry by that time to take "no" from the Wrepublicans for an answer.
The American Taliban may start acting like the Afghan Taliban- but without a Company operative in control.
"Schindler said the family's hopes lie with the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, Georgia, which is hearing -- for the second time this week -- an appeal claiming Schiavo's due process rights have been violated.
In addition, a state court in Clearwater, Florida, has scheduled an emergency hearing for 5:30 p.m. on a separate motion filed by the Schindlers. It is not clear what that new emergency motion might be."
DAS--
I've been quite "contrary" at my blog (to save Slothrop from any more sloth-disrupting comments), so you can go there.
Basically, what I understand now is Terri is suffering now, with or without the naso-gastric tube (it doesn't go in her mouth, let's stop acting like it's a simple way to get nutrition).
The legal question here is: who decides who gets treatment (which an n-g tube is)? For incompetent persons (like Terri), that's a guardian, here her next of kin. On her behalf, and on credible evidence, he has refused treatment. The parents' objection has kept Terri in a PVS in which she can demonstrably (and may still, w/o demonstration) suffer.
Is that humane?
Ultimately, the law says we can refuse treatment. The law allows Michael to speak for Terri. He has done so. And the law has concluded he is acting properly.
The ethics of it, of Micheal's decision, are a more delicate and complex matter. But the ethics of the protests, are pure selfishness, and ignorance. Sadly.
I'm basing it on the public's short memory, and how Rove will channel this anger into the judicial purge.
Flying Blushing Moon -
Heh. The move went. Hard work, hard work. Still unpacking boxes, but am deleriously happy. Thanks!
How do you respond to people with bona fide arguments that Terri Schiavo should be kept alive?
1. People have the right to refuse extraordinary measures in their own treatment;
2. She expressed that wish;
3. Her husband has the right to carry out that wish;
If those making the argument disagree with #1, there's no response other than, that's the law; you are free to order your loved ones to take any measures available.
Once people start arguing about whetther #2 is accurate, their arguments are no longer "bona fide." We have a system to resolve disputes in this great country. It isn't perfect, nor is it designed to be. Its designed to be fair. The Bill of Rights guarantees "due process." The dispute over her wishes has been resolved in a fair hearing, and several appeals.
If they don't like #3, tell them not to get married.
There are probably many good religious reasons to keep her "alive." Fine, then don't allow her to be buried in a "religious" cemetary. Excommunicate her husband. Its your church, do whatever the hell you want.
Will the American people also stand with the democrats filibustering, or against the nuclear option? I think polls have said yes, but I worry. That is what a mad prophet of doom does.
If the judiciary gets tainted, America is dead for a generation. And by then it may be too late.
That Adam Nagourney piece on how much the fundies love Jeb now sure was timely. Way to grasp the Zeitgeist, AdNags!
open ended poll question, intentionally vague:
If the answer is yes she's in pain then they'll scream to feed her.
If the answer is no (my choice) they'll say why starve her if she can't feel anYthing?
The typical CNN way of using either answer to push a one sided point of view.
"I'm beginning to think this may not hurt the religious nuts as much as we may hope."
The religious nuts will remain just that.
But, we have seen a week of fanaticism unlike any period in United States history telecasted and slobbered over by a whacko media for seven days straight.
You can get away saying you are with us or against us when it comes to political issues but when you drag religion into the mix it's like throwing gasoline on a fire.
As a Christian who is now struggling with this whole thing, the one thing that pushes me away from my faith is when people "force" their ideals and beliefs on me to become more extreme. There will always be citizens that do it but when the government does it...that scares the heck out of me.
Will the American people also stand with the democrats filibustering, or against the nuclear option? I think polls have said yes, but I worry. That is what a mad prophet of doom does.
Put a gag in Mr. Smith's mouth (Jimmy Stewart) when he goes to Washington.
See how far the "nuclear option" gets the GOP then.
CMP,
I looooove that feeling. Good for you.
RE: CNN, Fox, MSNBC...
as Jon Stewart said last night - pull their plug!
If those making the argument disagree with #1, there's no response other than, that's the law; you are free to order your loved ones to take any measures available. - Cap'n Dunsel
Thank you all for your responses (I know - I'm long winded).
The key issue in most religions, though, has to do with the point I quoted above -- I agree that's the law and moreover that's the way the law should be.
But according to many religious viewpoints, a feeding tube, in as much as it provides food which is a necessity of life, is not an extra-ordinary measure.
I am divided on this myself. I tend to think it is more cruel to keep her alive than not. But then, who am I to judge these sort of things? The very principle that it is not your place to judge another person's quality of life applies to the pro-choice end as well as the pro-life end: just as it would be wrong of me to deny Terri Schiavo the feeding tube if that was her wish, it is wrong to go against her wishes (as expressed through her guardian, her husband). In as much as there is disagreement as to her wishes, it is fair to involve the courts, but once the appeals process was exhausted it was wrong to involve the legislative process.
But, for whatever reasons, the pro-life crowd forgets that not judging another's quality of life works both ways: they tend to feel that their judgement trumps everyone elses'. That I feel that people in PVSs should be kept alive shouldn't matter: people need to have moral autonomy -- in fact, you cannot make a claim to morality without such autonomy. If Terri Schiavo's wishes are not allowed to be kept simply because society overrules her morality, how is she able to be moral? Morality is predicated on a certain freedom -- why does the Religious Reich wish to deny people the opportunity to be moral?
But most people haven't read Kant, etc.
How do we reach them? We shouldn't give up - some of them can be persuaded, but how?
you know, i have a question:
for a people who profess to have such strong faith in their god, why do these Fundievangelicals seem to be SO AFRAID of going Home to Be With Him?
i mean, you would think they might take any early ticket they could claim, right? but instead, they seem hell-bent on clinging to the very last vestige of the mere appearance of life...
i just don't get it.
-Librarian
(PS: nice to see some familiar names--i haven't been 'round to this corner of the internets for a while.)
DAS, your moderate and thoughtful tone isn't going to work on people that don't think. The wingnuts are bots, programmed from childhood by their ignorant parents, over-controlling churches and government schools. It's easy to see that liberals do far less harm when in charge than the bunch in charge now that's managed to kill thousands worldwide and hurt millions more in their relentless greed and arrogance. The left did not start this fight over Terri Shiavo, and the left is not responsible for the Culture Of Death that will ignore the Texas Futile whatever law but bend and break laws to keep a dead person alive. The questions you raise are unanswerable, especially in Shiavo's case. It is the height of hypocrisy for the right wing to claim the law when the husband is granted that right, and a perusal of the facts of the case show him to be completely responsible to his duties. I mean, it's 15 fucking years already. None of these politicians should have gotten involved, nor you or me. But I don't see how giving them the benefit of the doubt does anything but encourage them to continue in their destruction of the liberal values that this country was founded on. You give them way too much credit, for they are THE UNEVOLVED. You, on the other hand, are too damn good.
Doesn't Jeb refer to Johnathan Edwards Bush?
Then he must be Johnathan Edwards Bush Bush?
How quaint.
Bush Brothers Chant "Save Terri" at Church service:
Bush’s Good Friday Service
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Das - But, for whatever reasons, the pro-life crowd forgets that not judging another's quality of life works both ways: they tend to feel that their judgement trumps everyone elses'. That I feel that people in PVSs should be kept alive shouldn't matter: people need to have moral autonomy -- in fact, you cannot make a claim to morality without such autonomy. If Terri Schiavo's wishes are not allowed to be kept simply because society overrules her morality, how is she able to be moral? Morality is predicated on a certain freedom -- why does the Religious Reich wish to deny people the opportunity to be moral?
That is very well said. It is something that I think goes to the heart of the difference between the fundamentalists and more mainstream christianity. I've thought about this before - the kind of coercive christianity that the fundies are about seems to be almost a reaction against free will. They really do deny the individual autonomy of women, and arguably of everybody. I'm not a theologian (boy am I not a theologian) but I think that the fundamentalists walk the ragged edge of heresy.
for a people who profess to have such strong faith in their god, why do these Fundievangelicals seem to be SO AFRAID of going Home to Be With Him?
Librarian-
The reason they don't want to die naturally is because they want to stick around when the Rapture comes.
Michael is in the best position as a matter of law and fact to know what his wife would want.
What is consistently left out of this story - Two other friends of Terri, on seperate occassions (after visiting someone on life support IIRC), said under oath Terri told them she did not want to be kept on life support.
This came from Terri's advocate when he was interviewed Monday on Nightline.
Maybe Jeb Bush chickened out so that no one would hear that he doesn't speak with a Texas twang like his brother.
You know... I can't believe I used to live and breathe Republican Party values. I was raised a Pastor's son and swallowed everything that was taught to me for the longest time. Jesus, what hypocrites these people are...
Somebody should gather-up Terri artifacts to be sold on E-Bay.
The fundies will love it.
Brainless CNN Anchor-dork:
"What happens if the religous right goes to far and over-reaches, could there be a backlash?"
DUH! WTF does hew think is happening RIGHT NOW.
Grrr.
"Jackson Chummy Bunny"
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Somebody should gather-up Terri artifacts to be sold on E-Bay. The fundies will love it.
They could auction her feeding tube!
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The Republican Party is its own worst enemy.
A little OT, from Somethingawful.com:
"If you are anything like me you feel very passionately about the Terri Schiavo issue. You are passionately sick of hearing about it. You passionately want her to just fucking die already. You are passionately embarrassed by all of the people pretending a 15 year coma is something you can recover from. You passionately want to feed barbed wire up Tom DeLay's rectum. All of these things are natural things to feel at this point in the debacle."
heh.
It seems the sacred ritual is getting out of hand. The Republicans in their desperation to deflect the violence/mob from themselves apparently did not thoroughly think through this whole ritual. When you get the mob into this kind of euphoria you must provide it with victims/sacrifices, if you don't the mob comes back at you. The ritual victim was not clearly identified and done away with. The ritual as of right now seems to have failed. The mob needs catharsis, it needs to see the designated bad guy vanquished, but it seems as if this is not going to happen. The Republicans didn't clearly identify who the bad guy/ritual victim was going to be.
tena--"almost"? i would say entirely. this, like many of their issues, seems to be about individual free will vs. a passive surrender to some outside authority (god, or W or the father/husband or the military or the priest class speaking AS god, etc.)
"the kind of coercive christianity that the fundies are about seems to be almost a reaction against free will."
i think they want a situation where one's life is given to (or forced upon) one by The State, as the surrogate of god, and where one is duty bound to passively continue that life until or unless The State sees fit to take it away (think about their stance on life beginning at conception, many of them being against most if not all forms of birth control in addition to abortion for any reason at any stage, and this issue with the Passion of the Schaivo, vs. support for the death penalty & the Texas Kill 'em if they can't Pay Law...)
Your Life is a Gift from W,
and W will Take It Away.
(and Agitprop--that might explain why they are so eager to get shit blown up all over the place, huh? bring on that Rapture while they can be here to enjoy it? but i do think they are genuinely very afraid of death, despite the "faith" they say they have in their afterlife.)
-L.
http://whatdoesdanthink.blogspot.com/
Here's my take on the issue, if anyone's interested.
Do I smell a recall?????
I'm not a theologian (boy am I not a theologian) but I think that the fundamentalists walk the ragged edge of heresy.
evening all.
Tena,
I think they're closer to Idolatry.
Meat Idolatry.
If you're a blastocyst or brain-dead, we'll foam and rant and mob and murder for you like Guardians of the True Cross.
Anything in between, if you cross us, or don't kneel when we say kneel, or sit on oil, or are poor, or come with a little more melanin than we'd like to see 'round these parts...We Keel You Man! We Keel You!
Jimmy Vociferous - Thought provoking comment.
In sports, you would fire the coach. Politics, the guys loses the next election. But in this case, who was the leader, DeLay? Frist? Hastert? All of the above?
DeLay seems like the convenient culprit, already being knee deep in shit anyway.
re: fear of death, i should not need to point out how HUGELY useful that is to The State (any State,) for control of the people, right?
W: be afraid, be VERY afraid!
contrast with FDR: the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself...
-L.
heh.
Charlotte Smith (nee Beavers) | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 5:48 pm
Oh more than heh. That was hahahahaha!
Who will be the biggest loser in this debacle?
My money's on DeLay, but Jeb is making one hell of a play at beating him to the bottom.
Dan - Thanks for the link - well said.
but I think that the fundamentalists walk the ragged edge of heresy.
They do indeed.
A former friend of mine used to be quite clever until he became a orn-again christian. Now he's a dope: he seems to have entirely lost his ability to think critically.
He wrote a piece about the schiavo thing at his blog, and I have to say I was appalled: his ignorance of the legal system and his Biblical ignorance. He wrote: "I think that the parents of a child should be the most honored request, and they are asking that she live. I would not give over to any of my sons' future wives the right to make a decision about their lives." TO which I had to respond "Pal, that's not within your power. Once the kid is married, that power goes to his spouse, whether you like it or not."
He also wrote "God is about life. God describes Himself as "the Life"... Death is an unwelcome interloper in this world, and a Christ-follower is obligated to stand for life in all places where it is found." And I had to respond "In the bible Death is an angel. How can death be both an angel, one of God's servants, and an "unwelcome interloper"? For that matter, how can God be all-mighty if He's powerless over Death. God is either almighty or he's not: which is it?"
A lot of fundamentalists just don't think things through very much.
The reason they don't want to die naturally is because they want to stick around when the Rapture comes.
I hereby nominate this for Post of the Day.
but Poppy *did* fight in WWII.
and hasn't there been some question that he bailed out of his burning plane while leaving crewmates behind?
"What is consistently left out of this story - Two other friends of Terri, on seperate occassions (after visiting someone on life support IIRC), said under oath Terri told them she did not want to be kept on life support.
This came from Terri's advocate when he was interviewed Monday on Nightline."
Well, let's be accurate, the only witnesses besides Michael were Michael's brother and the brother's wife. Both Wolfson (the guardian) and Greer state this in their respective findings.
and hasn't there been some question that he bailed out of his burning plane while leaving crewmates behind?
Yeah, the guy in his squadron that was flying slightly behind GHWB's plane said he saw nothing that would have prevented the plane from flying a couple minutes longer to get the two crewmates out that died.
Nobody wants to fly in your plane after that.
driftglass - I agree that they are into idolatry. That's part of the whole heresy that I think they represent. But the biggest part is their utter denial of the compassionate Christ of the Sermon on the Mount.
Do I smell a recall?????
I dunno. Not all states have the recall. California does; New York doesn't.
Anyone knows if Florida has the recall?
media bias everywhere
big atta boy for the parents for
not giving up
and nothing for the husband who is just honoring his wife's wish to die with dignity
Not to mention the media continues to have on former friends and family member to lie on behalf of the parents
no fact checking going on at all
can i nominate this for understatement of the day?
"A lot of fundamentalists just don't think things through very much."
(on that note--enjoy your evening/weekend, all.)
-L.
sj - I stand corrected. I watched the Wolfson interview and thought he referred to them as "two friends" that heard Terri say that.
We can only hope that the presidential angels/demons surrounding his head have flown away.
Now the parents are claiming Terri can speak
one of their lawyers claim she tried to say I want to live
throw them out of court and take that woman's license to practice away
brendan - For people who seem to believe that they have a date with Jesus after they die, they sure are scared shitless of death, it seems.
Tena,
I agree back atcha.
I think it was Vonnegut that pointed out that these stool samples are always pitching The New Testament and Jebus, but only get very frisky and Loudly Righteous about nailing up the 10 Commandments on every flat municipal surface...and never, ever The Beatitudes.
Well, haloscan hates me.
Tried three times to respond to DAS.
Now I give up.
Now the parents are claiming Terri can speak
one of their lawyers claim she tried to say I want to live
I have a plant in the corner of my library that keeps saying, "Feed me, Seymour!" but I don't know what the hell it's talking about.
Tried three times to respond to DAS.
Now I give up.
Wow.
How timely for this Easter Weekend. For as it says in the Bibbbble, thrice shall Haloscan Deny Thee, Once Shall it Betray Thee...somethingsomthing...Kill the Fags...somethingsomthing...Does this Rapture make me look fat?
And so forth
I don't care what Florida does with the pudgy-faced little mama's boy, as long as this episode puts a iceberg-sized hole in his presidential ship.
Coward.
Someone upthread said the parents will file a wrongful death suit when she dies. Wouldn't that be laughed out of court? I'd be interested in any discussion of the parents' abuse of the FL state and federal legal systems.
I'm done channel-surfing for the night. The news channels are all running the same goddamned episode of The Twilight Zone.
I met filkertom today, and he brought me one of his CD's. Listened to part of it on the way home and really liked it. Feel good music.
Thanks, filkertom!!! Hope he plays at Eschacon.
Someone upthread said the parents will file a wrongful death suit when she dies. Wouldn't that be laughed out of court?
I dunno about that, but I'd dearly love to see Michael Schiavo file some libel and slander suits based on the outrageous things being said about him on the cable networks.
But I'd be willing to bet he just wants to get on with his life. He has my sympathies for his personal tragedy, and my best wishes for his future.
For that matter, so do Terri's parents.
But DeLay, and Frist, and the Bush family, and Randall Terry can all rot in hell.
I have a plant in the corner of my library that keeps saying, "Feed me, Seymour!" but I don't know what the hell it's talking about.
Leave the library. Lock the door. Never go in there again.
driftglass--ain't it the truth. And, of course, that post is the one that gets through.
*sigh*
The only way the parents can sue for wrongful death would be to prove the husband lied about her wish not to be continued on life support. Since this has been litigated it is unlikely that they would pursue a wrongful death case against the husband. I agree he should sue pretty much everyone who called him a murderer
I met Jeb Bush once. When I was a reporter-type person. He didn't seem to be such a putz back then. But he's certainly one now.
What a frickin' sideshow. Freaks and geeks. Has anyone bit the head off of anything yet?
Also, I think this whole episode illustrates the power of prayer. All these people praying like crazy for Terri to be cured and ... nothing.
Oh, hey! I smell a vendor idea!
"I PRAYED FOR TERRI SCHIAVO TO BE SAVED, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT."
On my way to Floureeda...
but only get very frisky and Loudly Righteous about nailing up the 10 Commandments on every flat municipal surface...and never, ever The Beatitudes.
One can be interpreted as the exertion of power.
And one cannot.
You do the math....
I agree he should sue pretty much everyone who called him a murderer
Ya mean all the people who are carrying signs that say *Michael's a murderer*?
And, yes, I would LOVE to see Michael Schiavo sue for slander. He's a public persona, so he would have to prove malice, but how hard would that be?
brendan - For people who seem to believe that they have a date with Jesus after they die, they sure are scared shitless of death, it seems.
Funny, isn't it? In the early days, the problem was Xians to eager to die (martyrdom!).
In "the Last Days" (has anyone copyrighted that yet?), they're to anxious about dying.
I don't get it....
He should sue Tom DeLay, Randall Terry and everyone else caught on tape calling him abusive and neglectful. Even if he didn't go through with it, he should at least hire a lawyer and announce he's going to do it.
It'll shut them up real goddam fast, I'm guessing.
And, yes, I would LOVE to see Michael Schiavo sue for slander. He's a public persona, so he would have to prove malice, but how hard would that be?
Lisa |
My defense...Michael Schiavo is a murderer, but I of course mean that in the good sense.
I agree he should sue pretty much everyone who called him a murderer
Ya mean all the people who are carrying signs that say *Michael's a murderer*?
pie | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 6:29 pm | #
a class action...anyone he can identify I am sure he is getting a lot of hate mail and could show an upsurge in threats after the murderer stuff started.
And then there was Nader...
http://releases.usnewswire.com/G...se.asp?
id=44858
Stupid Helloscan.
Tonight's Bobo's World:
Ex-pastor, televangelist is accused of raping girl
In Lexington, Kentucky:
Just before Christmas, police arrested a 58-year-old former televangelist most recently associated with a Lexington funeral home and charged him with third-degree rape of a 15-year-old girl.
The Rev. Larry Allen Day is the former pastor of churches in Monticello and Lexington and, until his arrest, helped Lexington families with funeral pre-planning as an independent contractor associated with Milward Funeral Directors...
On Dec. 16, 2004, the mother of a 15-year-old girl went to the girl's Fayette County school to report that the girl had been repeatedly subjected to sexual contact by Day, according to a search warrant affidavit.
The alleged victim's mother told authorities that Day was under the belief that the girl, whom court records don't identify, was pregnant, and that he had offered the girl's mother $500 to pay for an abortion, the affidavit said.
For that matter, so do Terri's parents.
Excuse me Roddy, but that's bullshit. It has always been theirs to stop this. Every step of the way since they started fighting Michael Shiavo and all the doctors and all the judges and all the attorneys and all the guardian ad litems.
No - they could have stopped this any time before now. But they are a wholly owned subsidiary of Randall Terry, Inc. So spare me, please, from the completely insane idea that the Schindlers want this over with.
And, yes, I would LOVE to see Michael Schiavo sue for slander. He's a public persona, so he would have to prove malice, but how hard would that be?
No, he's not (a public person; at least that would be my argument on his behalf), but he does have to prove damages.
Which would be tough. Emotional distress is not part of libel/slander law.
As for the wrongful death, yes, it would be laughed out of court. He didn't do anything except exercise his rights in court. He didn't remove the tube, or order it's removal. He has no liability for his actions.
Lots of great posts here, too many to cite!
Librarian, Tena et al:
For what it's worth, I have a brother who preserves our Roman Catholic heritage, unlike his siblings; he's a member of a monastic community and a published theologian.
He e-mailed me today and commented that the Feed Terri contingent express what he called a "vitalistic philosophy" that seems to him both un-Christian and irreconcilable with Christianity. That is, the Schiavo supporters believe that life is sacred because God is Life, as Christians do. But by patently equating "life" with maximum duration or persistence of the body and insisting on physical existence at all costs, they deny the possibility that "life" mysteriously includes death and letting go.
He also feels that this reductionistic and simplistic view of "life" implies that there is nothing beyond.
Schiavo supporters might claim that they are not so extreme, but are riled up in this case because Terri is "in fact" more alive than she appears, has been brought to the point of death by her reprehensible spouse's homicidal bent, and can still be rehabilitated with proper care.
But the many things wrong with that perspective have been restated in the RBC ad nauseam. So why beat a...
Ahem. By the way, some regular remarked in another thread that the Schiavo parents were the personification of the concept of "never say die". For myself, I find that my undeniable preoccupation with this story is a prize example of a "morbid obsession".
Anyway, Tena, it appears that we non-theologians have at least one bona-fide theologian thinking our way! Plus Jeffers, too, I think.
...the Schiavo feeding tube will soon be removed from the cable media networks.
I don't get the CC, so this is new to me...
http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/...w/headlines/
100
Robert Elusive Mouth - I suddenly feel smart.
It is striking how, in this situation, the ones who are raging for "life" are advocating artificial life. One could almost argue that that alone is a kind of blasphemy. Certainly, if one believes that one is created in God's image, then one's internal organs are part of that. A feeding tube most definitely is not. They are arguing against natural life and to my mind, that is arguing not for God's will, but man's.
Well.
At least he didn't want to be an obvious hypocrite and actually go there, read it, but then like all Bush family members not give a shit about the little people and not actually do something about it.
Let's applaud Jeb for holdign true to his convictions against saying things he obvious does not believe in like life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
MYOB'
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They are arguing against natural life and to my mind, that is arguing not for God's will, but man's.
Precisely what put people in Dante's Inferno. Excessive love of something other than God (usually self; the greater the degree of self-love, the deeper the circle in hell one sank to).
I agree wholeheartedly that any wrongful death suit should be laughed out of court (ie, dismissed with extreme prejudice), but at this point shouldn't the various courts be considering some sort of punitive sanction against the Schindlers? The judicial equivalent of thundering "Begone, and never darken my doorstep again!"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...3/25/183827/
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Protestors DO ruin other families lives.
A defamation suit for both libel and slander is a slam dunk, regardless of what standard of proof to which Schiavo is held. I would argue that he doesn't qualify as a public figure (limited purpose) because he didn't voluntarily inject himself into an ongoing public controversy -- rather, the State of Florida insinuated itself into his private life and made it into a circus. This could be decided on summary judgment because the "reporting" and "commentary" on this case has been unquestionably, purposely FALSE.
Bush family members [do] not give a shit about the little people
Interesting op-ed in the Boston Globe about Dubya's interupted vacation.
http://www.boston.com/news/local.../poor_judgment/
A woman rushing to the hospice to get there before her grandfather died arrived too late because of all the security she had to go through.
"Her grandfather was brought there three months ago after being diagnosed with terminal brain cancer -- and repeatedly told his only grandchild he did not want to die alone."
Kudos to Abrams for his close on his show.
And for more partisan hack news....Alan Greenspuds wife is in for Tweety.
A defamation suit for both libel and slander is a slam dunk, regardless of what standard of proof to which Schiavo is held.
Not a question of proof, it's a question of actual damages.
Can't see where he has any, to speak of.
He has emotional distress claims but also the real dollar claims of having to hire security because of the threats
What about the effect of all this name calling on his ability to get a job. Who would hire a nurse who was an abusive husband and murderer.
I read a piece in the New York Times today saying that Governor Bush was working overtime to fight the numerous court rulings allowing the withdrawal of Shiavo's feeding tube.
Maybe the Rev. meant another Gov. Bush because it seems that while his brother, the President, has turned to other matters, Jeb Bush is still out there wining the hearts and minds of the right-wing christian conservatives. In fact that was the focus of the Time's story, that Jeb's efforts on the part of Shiavo's parents has endeared him to the christian right, precisely what DeLay was hoping would happen when he weighed in on the issue.
I predict a Schindler book deal once this is all over.
Am I psychic or what?
The Mahoney guy was at Jebs house with a flock of the faithful, noting that Jebbie's plants were being watered, and how could Jeb have more compassion for his plants and not for Terry Schiavo.
I kid you not. It was on CNN, anyone else see that?
these people make me sick.
Defamation and, in particular, libel per se/slander per se don't require proof of special damages. General damages will be GIGANTO
A lot of fundamentalists just don't think things through very much.
brendan | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 5:59 pm | #
credo quia absurdum
Robert M. Jeffers,
OK, let's start with the cost of security, loss hours of work, the extra cost of security for his wife, being held up to public ridicule.
The idea is that the nets allowed matters already adjuicated to be discussed as if they had not been. Allegations of abuse and neglect have been settled. To accuse him of them is reckless disgregard for the truth.
I think he plans a bunch of filings after his wife dies.
Most of these folks will settle rather than risk a trial they would lose.
a class action
Too subjective for class treatment.
"... being raised by that hurricane with a handbag would cower the greatest of men, but Poppy *did* fight in WWII..."
A rock ribbed Republican attorney who headed his own firm in Seattle that I knew, refused to vote for HW because he flew the same type of plane that HW did in WW2. He said that given the plane's configuration, HW had to wait for the others in the plane who were seated behind him to bail first or else they were toast if HW took off first. He said that HW lost his nerve and bailed first thereby consigning his flightmates to their death when the plane crashed into the ocean. He, as I said, was as Republican as they come, but he had nothing but contempt for HW.
Didn't the Atlanta Olympics guy that was accused of the backpack bomb get a bunch of settlements and public apologies?
Why would MS's case be any different?
Oh, the uneven and combined elements of human political development continue to amaze.
The upside to this tragedy is the unmasking of "ultra christianity" or religious madness.
The right to control our own bodies, to make our own decisions about procreation as well as death has been linked for all to see.
The "Right to Lifers" are exposed for what they are: controllers, superior to the rest of us folks. THEY KNOW BEST when someone should live and someone should die.
Are they the true representatives of Bush's "democracy" push worlwide? The rest of the world has got to think we are out of our minds.
stevegilliard - I hope very much that you are right. If anyone deserves whatever he can get, it's Michael Shiavo.
I'm not Christian, but wouldn't comparing Terry to Jesus, as some of these people are doing... wouldn't that be, um, BLASPHEMY?
Just wondering...
A question on damages: wouldn't being put in danger of assassination (by, oh, Mr. Boxcutter) Count as damage?
Loss of employment, bodyguards?
And the question, "Where do I go to get my reputation back?"
Oh, not only will there be a book deal for the Schindlers (to be ghostwritten by Terri, presumably)-- they will surely make the rounds of the Amerikan infotainment nexus, holding Exclusive Up Close & Personal interviews with every celebrity interviewer from the hideous Baba Wawa to Pat Robertson.
They'll be bumped to the head of the line hitherto composed of extroverted parents of crime victims; move over, Ramseys, (Elizabeth) Smarts, (Chandra) Levys!
They have acquired such a powerful charge of melodrama and pathos, the very elixir demanded by the insatiable maw of the Amerikan media feeding tube. I can't see them being eclipsed by another couple unless Charles and Anne Morrow Lindbergh return from the dead.
Røbert Elusive Møuth
Mrs. Brady-Old Lady
Already been to church, thank you.
Oh, not only will there be a book deal for the Schindlers (to be ghostwritten by Terri, presumably)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Basically, what I understand now is Terri is suffering now, with or without the naso-gastric tube (it doesn't go in her mouth, let's stop acting like it's a simple way to get nutrition).
The legal question here is: who decides who gets treatment (which an n-g tube is)?
RMJ,
I believe Terri Schiavo did not have an n-g tube, but rather a direct line into her stomach through the chest wall. That's what was so hair-raising about the two times the line was pulled and then reinserted--each instance required a trip to the hospital, surgery, recovery, and a return trip to the hospice. That was not reasonable the first two times and would be completely unconscionable a third time.
The hospice is going to be lucky, at this rate, if it isn't sued by the relatives of another patient there.
This is sad / hilarious from the Bad Reporter in the S.F. Chronicle.
http://www.sfgate.com/columnists...nists/asmussen/
"Finger found in Wendy's chili must be kept alive"
To the commanders of the national television news organizations, be advised: I am trying to eat!
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The defendants may want to settle, but there are many reasons that Schiavo shouldn't, if for no other reason than to vindicate himself PUBLICLY. I know he's probably sick and tired of everyone (and who can blame him) but I think a jury award would be out of the park and unassailable on appeal, regardless of what court herd it.
Moreover, if anyone dies this weekend at the hands of any of these lunatics WHO ARE BEING SPURRED ON AND INCITED BY CNN MSNBC, FOX AND OTHER NETWORK NEWS AGENCIES, Uhm...Attention: Incitement IS NOT protected by the First Amendment and IS a crime. If anyone is injured or killed because of this fruitcakes, I hope Foxaganda loses its ass.
Does TV cause violence?
MARBLEX, GHiven US law, winning a libel action is hard. Any time a news outfit pays money that's the same as a victory. No one would be stupid enough ti litigate this if they didn't have to.
Does TV cause violence?
I'd say that depends on what is being broadcast and also on the foreseeable reactions it might cause, given certain circumstances.
Some clown in NC has offered 250k to kill the husband
Pat Robertson and CNN should be named in any lawsuit
Candy Crowley asked Pat Robertson who will be responsible for Terri Schaivo's death
TV DOES NOT CAUSE VIOLENCE. BUT STUPID PEOPLE ON TV WHOM OTHERS VIEW AS AUTHORITY FIGURES WHO URGE ILLEGAL AND DANGEROUS CONDUCT ARE JUST AS CULPABLE AS IF THEY, LIKE FAGAN, ACTED IN PERSON.
From California:
Wierum v. RKO: a "peripatetic" (uhm...traveling) DJ (The Real Don Steele) challenged listeners to "be the first ones" to meet him at whatever mall he was traveling to at the time. The prize? $25. The contest was advertised on radio for the commercial gain of the station.
Two stupid kids racing to meet Mr. Steele ran poor Mr. Wierum off the road and killed him.
The court held that RKO could be held liable for Mr. Weirum's death under a theory of "incitement." Listeners being urged to drive recklessly to achieve some objective valued/hawked by the radio station was ILLEGAL and DANGEROUS, and without any legitimate objective (i.e., stupid and dangerous conduct has no social utility).
VERDICT: HUMONGO BUCKAROOS
RESULT: DEAD HUSBAND AND FATHER, RUINED LIVES.
SO YES, VIRGINIA (And you stupid fucks Hannity and ORieley (pass me the loofa) YOU CAN BE SUED -- moreover, since they're expressing their own ignorant opinions using company equipment, they can be held PERSONALLY LIABLE for any injury or death that can be causally connected to their obscene (AND ILLEGAL) broadcasts.
Good journalists like Eason Jordan and Dan Rather have paid the price for FUCKING TRIVIA and these lying motherfuckers get to stay around???
Winning libel suits is my specialty and has been for 15 years. I know what it takes and this case is a (pardon the expression) "no brainer."
I'm not Christian, but wouldn't comparing Terry to Jesus, as some of these people are doing... wouldn't that be, um, BLASPHEMY?
Just wondering...
a_random_joel
Wow! Was Jesus Bulemic?
He was thin. And wore sandals.
That's not cowardly. Those people are deranged lunatics. He might as well walk into a madrassa in western Pakistan.
A lot of fundamentalists just don't think things through very much.
brendan | Email | Homepage | 03.25.05 - 5:59 pm | #
William Jennings Bryan: I do not think about things I don't think about.
Clarence Darrow: "Do you think about the things you do think about?"
Bryan: Well, sometimes.
(From the Scopes Trial)
The world's full of racists - we don't have a monopoly on them.
If that was the Chinese response to Condi, it doesn't surprise me. Most Asian people can vary the color of their skin from waxy white to deep brown depending on the extent of their exposure to the sun. It's exactly the reverse of the signal sent by suntans here -- a pale skin means you're able to stay inside and not work in the fields, and a dark skin means you're just another friggin' peasant.
You can see what this leads to when a person with these attitudes and assumptions runs into people who are born with dark skins. Instant disdain.
When this poor woman finally dies, does that mean we can tell the radical fundamentalists that their God just didn't care about their prayers?
Because that would seem to be what the evidence points to.
that's what was so hair-raising about the two times the line was pulled and then reinserted--each instance required a trip to the hospital, surgery, recovery, and a return trip to the hospice. That was not reasonable the first two times and would be completely unconscionable a third time.
According to this in Slate , it's not that big a deal.
it would rule if a civil war was started for somethinig as stupid as the shiavo thing. And when I say rule, I mean it would kick ass.
Let the insane civil war begin bitches!
I think jeb couldn't make it because he was too busy eating. Jesus christ, that boy is getting as fat as mommy.
Jeb Bush didn't have a political leg to stand on by going against what normal/rational people in Florida wanted -- and that was for the Government to get out of this tragic case and let the courts and families involved fight it out. The Florida papers have almost 80% of the people saying that her husband should decide what Terri wanted and not the radical right-wingers.
When I saw this unfold on Aaron Brown (CNN) I was happy that Randal Terry and all the other nuts are now placing the blame on Jeb for Terry's demise (better than the dems) But then they said something to the effect that Jeb is showing respect for the law by not giving in to the pressure. Give me a break, that is what he has been doing for years!! He did everything he could to appease these people, he doesn't get credit at the last second purely because there is nothing else he can do.
I'm shocked and surprised. Really.
I have not read all of your comments and I don't want to. And I don't care if you read mine. I just need to vent. All of you who are making fun of Jesus and the life He gave us, I can't wait to see your faces when you see Him face to face. And to all of you thinking Michael should sue Terri's parents for slander, you are total idiots. Terri's spine was broken. She was NOT anorexic. She was of normal weight when Michael called 911. Terri did NOT have a heart attack. She WAS able to recognize and react. THERAPY WOULD have helpled her, which Michael ended when he saw that it was helping her to get better. THE TRUTH IS. Michael wanted her dead before she could tell what happened to her. And he wanted her cremated so badly so that no LEGITIMATE autopsies could be done. He would have been tried and convicted of murder if that had happened. He had to get rid of Terri AND her body to cover up his crime. And THAT my dears is the TRUTH. The truth and the facts will come out eventually. If not here on this planet, it will in the end. Terri was innocent and she was flat out murdered. She WILL get justice. Because God won't let it go.
I have not read all of your comments and I don't want to. And I don't care if you read mine. I just need to vent. All of you who are making fun of Jesus and the life He gave us, I can't wait to see your faces when you see Him face to face. And to all of you thinking Michael should sue Terri's parents for slander, you are total idiots. Terri's spine was broken. She was NOT anorexic. She was of normal weight when Michael called 911. Terri did NOT have a heart attack. She WAS able to recognize and react. THERAPY WOULD have helpled her, which Michael ended when he saw that it was helping her to get better. THE TRUTH IS. Michael wanted her dead before she could tell what happened to her. And he wanted her cremated so badly so that no LEGITIMATE autopsies could be done. He would have been tried and convicted of murder if that had happened. He had to get rid of Terri AND her body to cover up his crime. And THAT my dears is the TRUTH. The truth and the facts will come out eventually. If not here on this planet, it will in the end. Terri was innocent and she was flat out murdered. She WILL get justice. Because God won't let it go.
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